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Re: [Wlug] Next meeting location

by Stephen C. Daukas

From the WPI Library Parking Lot to Atwater Kent 233: Go up the 103 stairs on the LEFT SIDE of the library until you reach the front entrance of the Gordon Library. When facing the library, turn left and walk on the road which goes slightly downhill. Salisbury Labs will be on your left. You will approach a building on your right called Fuller Labs. Go past that building. The road curves to the left. You will then see the Atwater Kent building on your right. Enter that building and go upstairs. AK233 is up there somewhere. Clint Moyer wrote: > Where is Atwater Kent 233? > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > >

Feb. 11, 2003

Next meeting location

by Clint Moyer

Where is Atwater Kent 233?

Feb. 11, 2003

Getting OpenOffice, ODBC and MySQL to play Nice

by Bill Smith

Okay... Most of you may already have heard of this (especially if you watch Slashdot), but it's worth posting for those that don't: http://www.linuxworld.com/2003/0207.barr.html Here, the author talks about getting OpenOffice.org, ODBC and MySQL working together (on Red Hat 8.0)... It looks like the first of two articles; the first explains what he did, the errors that resulted, and what he did to get around it. Next week, he's supposed to talk about using his new-found functionality, and whether it was worth the effort. FWIW, he said that he started using a how-to by John McCreesh, but there were enough differences between RH 7.3 and RH8.0 that it was almost useless. The article is certainly worth reading. It's getting late now (11pm EST), so I know what I'll be doing in the morning! ;) -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- William Smith wsmith-at-chezsmith-dot-com Fall River, MA http://www.chezsmith.com Random BOFH excuse: NOTICE: alloc: /dev/null: filesystem full * TAG! v3.1 *

Feb. 10, 2003

Re: [Wlug] floppy question

by Theo Van Dinter

On Mon, Feb 10, 2003 at 07:20:25AM -0500, Gary Hanley wrote: > One word of caution though: Don't rule out that the test floppy was bad > also. It's happened to me before and also with two CDROM drives. Especially > since those "nasty searching sounds" imply that the controller is fine and > is talking to the drive. Just to note: I did try multiple floppy disks, 2 different floppy drives, and at least 2 different cables. While the drive looks like it's properly being searched at bootup, it doesn't actually ever seem to get read. Very confusing. -- Randomly Generated Tagline: "Are [Linux users] lemmings collectively jumping off of the cliff of reliable, well-engineered commercial software?" (By Matt Welsh)

Feb. 10, 2003

qmail - several domain!

by Aramico - pop3.nomadss.com

Hi all, I've got my qmail server run so well, it's all nice. Ups, I've got something that bother me alyways! I have several domains hosted in my server where my qmail server running on too, The mail problem is, If somebody send me a message where the address is one of the my listed domain in my server, then.. if I read the mail from one of the available account from my server, here,. I'll receive all the email that attach to my username, so all my email address from the available domain are received in on of the account that I use to open the mail. So, how can I open one of my email address and I just receive the mail that attach to the address where I mean to ? Thanks Man.

Feb. 10, 2003

Re: [Wlug] floppy question

by Gary Hanley

On Sun, 9 Feb 2003, Wesley Allen wrote: > I guess the easiest solution would be to just get a usb floppy drive and > have your mom use that. What are they $25 now? > Wes Geeze, is there anything they won't put on USB anymore? :-) I did quick look because I never heard of such a thing and they do indeed exist. However the cheapest I saw was as $36. One word of caution though: Don't rule out that the test floppy was bad also. It's happened to me before and also with two CDROM drives. Especially since those "nasty searching sounds" imply that the controller is fine and is talking to the drive. -- Gary

Feb. 10, 2003

Re: [Wlug] floppy question

by Bill Smith

On Mon, 10 Feb 2003 10:03:37 -0500 Theo Van Dinter <felicity(a)kluge.net> wrote: TVD> On Mon, Feb 10, 2003 at 07:20:25AM -0500, Gary Hanley wrote: TVD> > One word of caution though: Don't rule out that the test floppy TVD> > was bad also. It's happened to me before and also with two CDROM TVD> > drives. Especially since those "nasty searching sounds" imply TVD> > that the controller is fine and is talking to the drive. TVD> TVD> Just to note: I did try multiple floppy disks, 2 different floppy TVD> drives, and at least 2 different cables. TVD> TVD> While the drive looks like it's properly being searched at bootup, TVD> it doesn't actually ever seem to get read. Very confusing. knowing you guys, it's likely the floppy controller (i know you would have checked the pin alignment on the connectors, right? <g>)... you have an option that i might be able to help with: i have some OLD cards kicking around.... <g> you might be able to use one of them for the floppy controller on THAT, if you want to give it a stab. ;) i have to take a trip up your way sometime soon anyway.... ahhh... the Hardware Genie strikes again! -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- William Smith wsmith-at-chezsmith-dot-com Fall River, MA http://www.chezsmith.com Every cloud has a silver lining. ...except mushroom- shaped ones, which have a lining of Iridium and Strontium 90. * TAG! v3.1 *

Feb. 10, 2003

Re: [Wlug] floppy question

by Wesley Allen

On Sun, 2003-02-09 at 16:37, Michelle Vadeboncoeur wrote: > I hope you guys don't mind a hardware-related question... The short of it > is, if a floppy controller appears dead, short of getting a new > motherboard how do I get a floppy drive to work on that system? > > I guess the easiest solution would be to just get a usb floppy drive and have your mom use that. What are they $25 now? Wes

Feb. 9, 2003

floppy question

by Michelle Vadeboncoeur

I hope you guys don't mind a hardware-related question... The short of it is, if a floppy controller appears dead, short of getting a new motherboard how do I get a floppy drive to work on that system? I recently upgraded my home computer so that I could play the new game I got for Christmas... So, the usual course of events is to play hand-me-down computer parts in my family, so my old computer would go to upgrade my mother's computer (admittedly a Windows98 box, used for Juno email/web and playing Solitaire... so no heavy usage). My old box is old in computer terms, but it's a heck of a lot faster than the P200 that my mother currently has. I rarely used my floppy drive (the last time prior to taking that box down was a few months prior). When transferring files from my old box to my new computer, I needed to run a Windows app off of a floppy - and discovered that the floppy drive didn't work on my old box. I tried swapping the 3.5" floppy drive out for another one that I had lying around, and that one didn't work either... I also tried swapping out the floppy cables, and that didn't work. BIOS sees the 3.5" floppy drive, but the box won't boot off of a boot floppy (that is readable on other computers) or read anything off of the floppy drive (makes nasty searching sounds) when in Windows... So, my guess is that the floppy drive controller on the motherboard isn't working... My mother is adamant that she needs a working floppy drive (old files saved, and so she can transfer stuff from work to home and back). I'd really like to give her my old box for a nice CPU/RAM upgrade, but unless I can get it to use a 3.5" floppy drive, she won't take it... Any suggestions as to how I can get a floppy drive to work on my old box? Or am I just out of luck for upgrading her with my old box? -- --==*==-- --==*==-- Michelle R. Vadeboncoeur --==*==-- --==*==-- mrv(a)kluge.net: http://www.kluge.net/~mrv/

Feb. 9, 2003

Re: [Wlug] ssh-dummy-shell for OpenSSH???

by ele3＠bach.eenetworks.com

Here's a chroot patch to sftp-server.c for openssh-3.5p1 that I use that may be of some use to you: http://www.alt219.com/software/sftp-server-chroot/ Ebon On Wed, 30 Jan 2002, Keller, Tim wrote: > I'm setting up a test environment using OpenSSH built in sFTP server. What > I want to-do is build a chroot environment where people can connect to the > machine via sFTP but not via SSH. > > I know with the commercial version of SSH they have ssh-dummy-shell which > when you try to connect via SSH just bails on you, but lets sFTP work > properly. > > I've done some digging on the web and I haven't found anything that'll > replace this functionality on the OpenSSH side of things. > > Anybody got any ideas/links of an open source version of ssh-dummy-shell. > > Thanks, > Tim. > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Feb. 9, 2003

Re: [Wlug] ssh-dummy-shell for OpenSSH???

by Charles R. Anderson

Be careful. OpenSSH has some features that could compromise your security. It lets the user set environment variables when the user connects. A user could upload a library and override C Library functions with LD_PRELOAD to execute whatever they want. There are a couple sftp-only shells that were designed to handle being used in the manner you want, but they caution you to disable the rc features in sshd_config or take other security precautions: http://www.pizzashack.org/rssh/security.shtml On Sat, Feb 08, 2003 at 03:51:38AM -0500, Brian K. White wrote: brian> I have sort-of got this by setting the shell to sftp-server. brian> bizarre, I know, but it works, and a copy of /bin/true does not. brian> brian> in both the real and chroot'ed /etc/passwd's I set the shell to the full brian> path to sftp-server, and sftp works, ssh does not. brian> brian> ssh actually connects and will sit there until you type something, but brian> as soon as you type anything sftp-server says "what is this rubbish?" brian> and promptly hangs up on you. brian> brian> I don't have any real shell, or any other binary besides sftp-server in brian> my chroot tree, and even though users can upload their own, they cannot brian> execute it because their shell is only sftp-server, which is not a shell brian> and cannot execute anything. I hope it doesn't have any cases where it brian> could execute any external program like ls (I know it doesn't need ls brian> specifically, just as an example the way ftpd often uses a ls binary in brian> the chroot path). otherwise a person might be able to upload a shell brian> named <whatever sftp-server might exec> brian> brian> this is OpenSSH 3.5p1 with chroot patch, on SCO Open Server 5.0.6 -- Charles R. Anderson <cra(a)wpi.edu> / http://angus.ind.wpi.edu/~cra/ PGP Key ID: 49BB5886 Fingerprint: EBA3 A106 7C93 FA07 8E15 3AC2 C367 A0F9 49BB 5886

Feb. 9, 2003

Re: [Wlug] ssh-dummy-shell for OpenSSH???

by Brian K. White

I have sort-of got this by setting the shell to sftp-server. bizarre, I know, but it works, and a copy of /bin/true does not. in both the real and chroot'ed /etc/passwd's I set the shell to the full path to sftp-server, and sftp works, ssh does not. ssh actually connects and will sit there until you type something, but as soon as you type anything sftp-server says "what is this rubbish?" and promptly hangs up on you. I don't have any real shell, or any other binary besides sftp-server in my chroot tree, and even though users can upload their own, they cannot execute it because their shell is only sftp-server, which is not a shell and cannot execute anything. I hope it doesn't have any cases where it could execute any external program like ls (I know it doesn't need ls specifically, just as an example the way ftpd often uses a ls binary in the chroot path). otherwise a person might be able to upload a shell named <whatever sftp-server might exec> this is OpenSSH 3.5p1 with chroot patch, on SCO Open Server 5.0.6 ------------ Actually it does. I tried /bin/false and it fails to setup the ssh connection properly. I guess the shell will let sftp only run specific sftp commands, anything else causes it to exit. -----Original Message----- From: Scott Venier [mailto:scottven@umich.edu] Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2002 10:58 AM To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org Subject: Re: [Wlug] ssh-dummy-shell for OpenSSH??? does the ssh-dummy-shell have to actually do anything for sFTP to work, or does it just have to be in /etc/shells? If it just has to be in /etc/shells, /bin/false works. Been using that for years for (non-s)FTP-only accounts. Scott On Wed, 30 Jan 2002, Keller, Tim wrote: > I'm setting up a test environment using OpenSSH built in sFTP server. What > I want to-do is build a chroot environment where people can connect to the > machine via sFTP but not via SSH. > > I know with the commercial version of SSH they have ssh-dummy-shell which > when you try to connect via SSH just bails on you, but lets sFTP work > properly. > > I've done some digging on the web and I haven't found anything that'll > replace this functionality on the OpenSSH side of things. > > Anybody got any ideas/links of an open source version of ssh-dummy-shell. > > Thanks, > Tim. > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug -- Brian K. White -- brian(a)aljex.com -- http://www.aljex.com/bkw/ +++++[>+++[>+++++>+++++++<<-]<-]>>+.>.+++++.+++++++.-.[>+<---]>++. filePro BBx Linux SCO Prosper/FACTS AutoCAD #callahans Satriani

Feb. 8, 2003

RE: [Wlug] Disable telnet and ssh, but ftp and email still enable !

by Keller, Tim

Aramico, I'm taking the guess that your users are using pop3 to access their email. If you set their shell to /bin/false this will allow them to access email and ftp, but they won't be able to login. Hope this helps, Tim. -----Original Message----- From: Aramico [mailto:aramico@duahati.com] Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 2:33 AM To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org Subject: [Wlug] Disable telnet and ssh, but ftp and email still enable! Hi all, I have several user in my linux machine. And now, I've just finished configure my qmail server. qmail only works for the user who has the home directory. by this, I've got to create several users with their directory if I want to create an email address for them. It's not secure! How can I make disable ssh and telnet to my user ? By this my user still can access the email and ftp, but can not login via telnet and ssh service. what configuration that I need to do ? Thanks Man.

Feb. 6, 2003

Disable telnet and ssh, but ftp and email still enable!

by Aramico

Hi all, I have several user in my linux machine. And now, I've just finished configure my qmail server. qmail only works for the user who has the home directory. by this, I've got to create several users with their directory if I want to create an email address for them. It's not secure! How can I make disable ssh and telnet to my user ? By this my user still can access the email and ftp, but can not login via telnet and ssh service. what configuration that I need to do ? Thanks Man.

Feb. 6, 2003

webmasters.com web hosting

by Brett Russ

Anyone have any experience with http://www.webmasters.com? I am considering transferring from logicinternet.com, the services promised by the former are seemingly much better, so I am looking for some local testimonials. thanks! Brett

Feb. 4, 2003

Virtual Hosting

by jose sanchez

Hello All: I am experiencing a weird problem with Name based virtual hosting with apache. I don't know if I am doing this correctly. The webserver is behind a firewall that is NATing traffic to it. I have three domain names, example: domain1.com, domain2.com, and domain3.com. I have the registrar of the domains forwarded to my external ip (24.31.xx.xx). The webserver's ip is 192.168.2.50. This is what the http.conf file looks like: NameVirtualHost 192.168.2.50 <VirtualHost 192.168.2.50> ServerName www.domain1.com ServerAdmin wilsan816(a)yahoo.com DocumentRoot /home/domain1/www </VirtualHost> <VirtualHost 192.168.2.50> ServerName www.domain2.com ServerAdmin wilsan816(a)yahoo.com DocumentRoot /home/domain2/www </VirtualHost> <VirtualHost 192.168.2.50> ServerName www.domain3.com ServerAdmin wilsan816(a)yahoo.com DocumentRoot /home/domain3/www </VirtualHost> Somehow the virtual hosting is not working. When I type www.domain2.com or www.domain3.com on the browser I get the content or pages of domain1.com. I don't know why is doing that. When I type www.domain1.com, obviously works. Now, the address bar changes from www.domainx.com to 24.31.xx.xx/index.php. The registrar where the domains are registered doesn't offer free "Domain Masking" (when the domain name stays on the browser' address bar). I don't know if this is why I am having this problem. If anyone have experienced this before please let me know. Thanks in advance. ===== "An ounce of gold cannot buy an ounce of time." - Anonymous www.whmicro.com __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com

Feb. 4, 2003

RE: [Wlug] Blanking screen blanking @#$!

by Brian J. Conway

I believe they are separate. I use 'xset s off' in my WindowMaker startup script to turn off the X screen blanking, I've never bothered to turn off console blanking. -b > I thought that the VT blanking was separate from the X blanking. Any > chance you're running X in frame buffer mode? Maybe then the VT > blanking matters? Just a shot in the dark. > > -----Original Message----- > From: wlug-admin(a)mail.wlug.org [mailto:wlug-admin@mail.wlug.org] On > Behalf Of Chuck Homic > Sent: Monday, February 03, 2003 9:49 AM > To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > Subject: Re: [Wlug] Blanking screen blanking @#$! > > > On Sun, Feb 02, 2003 at 02:56:54PM -0500, Andy Stewart wrote: > > > Turning off the #!$@ screen saver! > > > > Are you running KDE, GNOME, or something else? In KDE, you turn off > > the > > screen saver in the control center. Others? I don't know. > > The answer would fall squarely on "something else." Currently it's > afterstep, but I don't think the WM is a factor because it happens when > I'm using no WM at all (Hardcore X) or at the VT or anything. I was > grepping some kernel sources which led me to the setterm hypothesis, but > I'm still nowhere. > > -Chuck > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > -- Brian J. Conway bconway(a)alum.wpi.edu "LINUX is obsolete" - Andrew S. Tanenbaum, creator of Minix - Jan 29, 1992

Feb. 3, 2003

Re: [Wlug] Blanking screen blanking @#$!

by Chuck Homic

On Mon, Feb 03, 2003 at 10:01:04AM -0500, Marc Hughes wrote: > I thought that the VT blanking was separate from the X blanking. I'm sure it is. :) But I'm desperate. Also, instinct tells me that if there's any kind of "power management" blanking, it would work regardless of what video mode I'm in. (And with an LCD, there's no way to really tell the difference between a blank screen, and power saving.) > Any chance you're running X in frame buffer mode? Maybe then the VT > blanking matters? Just a shot in the dark. Nope, straight up XFree86 to the hardware. Really all I need is more ways to turn off screen blanking in Linux and/or X. I'll try 'em all and report which one actually worked for me. ;) But I've exhausted (I think) setterm and xset. What else is there? -Chuck

Feb. 3, 2003

RE: [Wlug] Blanking screen blanking @#$!

by Marc Hughes

I thought that the VT blanking was separate from the X blanking. Any chance you're running X in frame buffer mode? Maybe then the VT blanking matters? Just a shot in the dark. -----Original Message----- From: wlug-admin(a)mail.wlug.org [mailto:wlug-admin@mail.wlug.org] On Behalf Of Chuck Homic Sent: Monday, February 03, 2003 9:49 AM To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org Subject: Re: [Wlug] Blanking screen blanking @#$! On Sun, Feb 02, 2003 at 02:56:54PM -0500, Andy Stewart wrote: > > Turning off the #!$@ screen saver! > > Are you running KDE, GNOME, or something else? In KDE, you turn off > the > screen saver in the control center. Others? I don't know. The answer would fall squarely on "something else." Currently it's afterstep, but I don't think the WM is a factor because it happens when I'm using no WM at all (Hardcore X) or at the VT or anything. I was grepping some kernel sources which led me to the setterm hypothesis, but I'm still nowhere. -Chuck _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Feb. 3, 2003

Re: [Wlug] Blanking screen blanking @#$!

by Chuck Homic

On Sun, Feb 02, 2003 at 02:56:54PM -0500, Andy Stewart wrote: > > Turning off the #!$@ screen saver! > > Are you running KDE, GNOME, or something else? In KDE, you turn off the > screen saver in the control center. Others? I don't know. The answer would fall squarely on "something else." Currently it's afterstep, but I don't think the WM is a factor because it happens when I'm using no WM at all (Hardcore X) or at the VT or anything. I was grepping some kernel sources which led me to the setterm hypothesis, but I'm still nowhere. -Chuck

Feb. 3, 2003

Re: [Wlug] Booting!

by Charles R. Anderson

If you installed your distribution's packages of Apache and Postgres, or other well-packaged software, it is as simple as: chkconfig httpd on chkconfig postgresql on And you can use the service command to start/stop them at any time too: service httpd start (or stop, status, restart, reload, etc.) This is all done through the magic of SysV-style initscripts: /etc/init.d /etc/rc*.d and on Red Hat systems, this is documented in: /usr/share/doc/initscripts-*/sysvinitfiles On Mon, Feb 03, 2003 at 03:27:47AM +0700, Aramico wrote: aramico> How can i make these things run automatically at first time of My linux boot aramico> up. -- Charles R. Anderson <cra(a)wpi.edu> / http://angus.ind.wpi.edu/~cra/ PGP Key ID: 49BB5886 Fingerprint: EBA3 A106 7C93 FA07 8E15 3AC2 C367 A0F9 49BB 5886

Feb. 2, 2003

Re: [Wlug] Booting!

by Baris Hasdemir

in my distribution /etc/rc.local is executed at startup I would simply add those lines to that file: apachectl start su james -c "/home/james/tomcat/bin/startup.sh" su postgres -c "/var/lib/pgsql/runpgsql" best wishes, baris On Mon, 3 Feb 2003 03:27:47 +0700 "Aramico" <aramico(a)duahati.com> wrote: > Hi all, > > How can i make these things run automatically at first time of My linux boot > up. > > 1. apachectl start > Run as root > 2. /home/james/tomcat/bin/startup.sh > run as user james > 3. /var/lib/pgsql/runpgsql > run as postgres > > Thanks.

Feb. 2, 2003

Booting!

by Aramico

Hi all, How can i make these things run automatically at first time of My linux boot up. 1. apachectl start > Run as root 2. /home/james/tomcat/bin/startup.sh > run as user james 3. /var/lib/pgsql/runpgsql > run as postgres Thanks.

Feb. 2, 2003

Re: [Wlug] Blanking screen blanking @#$!

by Andy Stewart

On Sunday 02 February 2003 1:58 pm, chuck(a)vvisions.com wrote: > Turning off the #!$@ screen saver! > Are you running KDE, GNOME, or something else? In KDE, you turn off the screen saver in the control center. Others? I don't know. Later, Andy -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA USA http://www.wlug.org

Feb. 2, 2003

Blanking screen blanking @#$!

by chuck＠vvisions.com

Howdy, y'all. I'm just inches away from using my wikkid new Fujitsu notebook as a DVD player. After solving the seemingly difficult problems of playing a movie in the first place (xine), playing an encrypted DVD (libdvdcss), getting hardware scaling to work on my ATI (gatos), and enabling the S-video output (atitvout), I'm left with the final daunting challenge: Turning off the #!$@ screen saver! I've tried the following (in this order): setterm -blank 0 setterm -powersave off setterm -powerdown 0 xset s off xset s noblank xset -dpms apm -i (a long shot, which is not compiled in my version) Still my video goes out every 5 minutes. WTF? I don't who or what is turning off my screen, and for what motive. But their treachery must be stopped! Surely someone on this list has the knowledge I need to restore justice. TIA, -Chuck -- Chuck Homic homic(a)ml1.net

Feb. 2, 2003

Re: [Wlug] X on IBM Thinkpad A30

by Tom Guilderson

On 2003.01.28 15:17 bryon3245(a)netzero.com wrote: > would anyone willing to help me get X working on my ThinkPad A30 > running > Gentoo with all the packages on there most current relese. Feeel free > to I have never used Gentoo, and I do not know of any config tools they include that my help you; so my comments are distro independent (they are really all the same in the end - maybe the start of a good flame war!). First thing is to run 'XFree86 -configure' assuming you are running version 4.x.x If this does not work, you will have to manually configure. Start by running 'lspci -vvv' to scan the PCI bus and see what type of card you have etc. Then see if there any good docs (ther are) at http://www.xfree86.org/ You should also go to the following site where there will be links to what others did to get Linux on a particular laptop http://www.linux-in-laptops.net/ibm.html You can also try IBM http://www-1.ibm.com/linux/ or http://www-106.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/ This should get you started where you can likely get X up and running. Any specific questions, just post to the list. I use a T23 and X runs fine 1024x768 on the LCD panel or 1600x1200 on my Viewsonic flat panel both at 24 bit. So you should have no problem getting the A30 to work. Good Luck! TG

Feb. 1, 2003

hour of gold

by doug waud

Keith Wright wrote: > > From: doug waud <douglas.waud(a)umassmed.edu> > > > > > "An ounce of gold cannot buy an ounce of time." > > > > What will an *hour* of gold get you? > > > > doug > > Well, in General Relativity we often use geometrical units, in > which c = 1 and G = 1/8{\pi}. Using c = 3e10 cm/s, and > G = 6.67e-8 cm^3/g s^2, we get the conversion factor > 1 second = 1.5e34 kg, so an hour of gold would be 5.4e37 kg. > An hour of gold would be quite valuable as a gold > certificate. Taking actual delivery would be dangerous--- > unless you keep it well spread out in a vault with a radius > much more that 1 light-hour = 1 trillion kilometers, your fortune > will collapse into a black hole. Does this have anything to do with the term "golden years" doug

Jan. 30, 2003

Re: [Wlug] Fwd: Too Funny - I had to share

by Keith Wright

> From: doug waud <douglas.waud(a)umassmed.edu> > > > "An ounce of gold cannot buy an ounce of time." > > What will an *hour* of gold get you? > > doug Well, in General Relativity we often use geometrical units, in which c = 1 and G = 1/8{\pi}. Using c = 3e10 cm/s, and G = 6.67e-8 cm^3/g s^2, we get the conversion factor 1 second = 1.5e34 kg, so an hour of gold would be 5.4e37 kg. An hour of gold would be quite valuable as a gold certificate. Taking actual delivery would be dangerous--- unless you keep it well spread out in a vault with a radius much more that 1 light-hour = 1 trillion kilometers, your fortune will collapse into a black hole. Note: This system of units comes from Sachs and Wu, "General Relativity for Mathematicians". Other authors prefer to set G = 1 and leave a factor of 8 pi in the Einstein field equations. I refuse to argue about it. -- Keith

Jan. 30, 2003

Re: [Wlug] Fwd: Too Funny - I had to share

by jose sanchez

--- doug waud <douglas.waud(a)umassmed.edu> wrote: > jose sanchez wrote: > > > > "An ounce of gold cannot buy an ounce of time." > > - Anonymous > > What will an *hour* of gold get you? Money, maybe? __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com

Jan. 29, 2003

Re: [Wlug] Fwd: Too Funny - I had to share

by doug waud

jose sanchez wrote: > > "An ounce of gold cannot buy an ounce of time." > - Anonymous What will an *hour* of gold get you? doug

Jan. 29, 2003

X on IBM Thinkpad A30

by bryon3245＠netzero.com

would anyone willing to help me get X working on my ThinkPad A30 running Gentoo with all the packages on there most current relese. Feeel free to contact me at bryon3245(a)netzero.com. Thanks -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ .

Jan. 28, 2003

Fwd: Too Funny - I had to share

by jose sanchez

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Jan. 28, 2003

SCSI Enclosures...

by Michael Kingsbury

I'm in need of an external SCSI enclosure that can accept 1.6" SCSI drives with SCA Connections. Does anyone have any sources for such a thing that's not overly expense? I haven't seen anything on ebay... -beaker

Jan. 25, 2003

books

by Yury I Vashugin

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Jan. 22, 2003

Re: [Wlug] .htaccess for an exception!

by Setag Lib

> My point is, can I defined *.* as protected files where the index.html, > fly.jpg are not inlcluded in *.* definition. > So, here, the visitor can still freely accessing the my index.html and > fly.jpg where they are availbale in every sub domain directory. Depending on the versions of your software, these might be usefull: http://httpd.apache.org/docs/howto/auth.html#basic http://httpd.apache.org/docs/mod/core.html#files Specifically, the regex matching of the <FILES> section. If you can provide some more info, I can let you know if these would help you. What kernel rev do you use? What File System, and how big are the block sizes? How much ram is in your machine? What version of apache are you using? Do you have mod_perl installed, if so, what version of PERL are you using? Do you have a TCP stack with the syn/ack flag support? Are you using IPv4 or IPv6? Do you use 8903.11t? You're not using token ring, are you? -Setag

Jan. 22, 2003

oracle ad :-)

by doug waud

Hi all This morning's T&G had an amusing ad from Oracle. It consisted of a large heading "Email" and then two columns Oracle and Micro$oft starting with cost per user of $60 for Oracle and $126 for Micro$oft. It then continued the comparison of other properties. However, at the bottom of the Micro$oft column was "Costs more, but you also get Melissa, Snow White, Michelangelo..." doug

Jan. 22, 2003

.htaccess for an exception!

by Aramico

Hi All, I have several subdomain where each is put on the diffrent directory and it has one index.html for each. The thing that I want is, the visitor can only access my html file, so if they want to connect to another page where the location is the same, it must be a password asked for this. My point is, can I defined *.* as protected files where the index.html, fly.jpg are not inlcluded in *.* definition. So, here, the visitor can still freely accessing the my index.html and fly.jpg where they are availbale in every sub domain directory. Thanks!.

Jan. 21, 2003

[notting@redhat.com: Phoebe beta of Red Hat Linux has been updated]

by Charles R. Anderson

Also available from: ftp://angus.ind.wpi.edu/pub/mirrors/redhat/linux/beta/phoebe ----- Forwarded message from Bill Nottingham <notting(a)redhat.com> ----- From: Bill Nottingham <notting(a)redhat.com> To: phoebe-list(a)redhat.com Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 12:10:07 -0500 Subject: Phoebe beta of Red Hat Linux has been updated Precedence: bulk The PHOEBE beta has been updated. Fixes in this update include, among many others: - updates to the kernel and glibc for NPTL thread support - updates to the kernel to fix USB hotplug - updates to the kernel to fix VM performance Some features in the previous release have been disabled after problems discovered in testing; these include ACPI and ext3 HTree support. For information on these and other changes, please read the release notes. PHOEBE is available at: ftp://ftp.redhat.com/pub/redhat/linux/beta/phoebe/ and at the following mirrors: Europe ftp://sunsite.icm.edu.pl/pub/Linux/redhat/linux/beta/phoebe/ rsync://sunsite.icm.edu.pl/ftp/pub/Linux/redhat/linux/beta/phoebe/ ftp://ftp.quicknet.nl/pub/Linux/ftp.redhat.com/beta/phoebe/ http://ftp-stud.fht-esslingen.de/pub/redhat/beta/phoebe/ ftp://ftp-stud.fht-esslingen.de/pub/redhat/beta/phoebe/ ftp://sunsite.mff.cuni.cz/MIRRORS/ftp.redhat.com/redhat/linux/beta/phoebe/ rsync://sunsite.mff.cuni.cz/redhat/redhat/linux/beta/phoebe/ ftp://ftp.iasi.roedu.net/pub/mirrors/ftp.redhat.com/pub/redhat/linux/beta/p… ftp://alviss.et.tudelft.nl/pub/redhat/beta/phoebe/ ftp://ftp.surfnet.nl/pub/os/Linux/distr/RedHat/ftp/redhat/linux/beta/phoebe/ North America ftp://redhat.dulug.duke.edu/pub/redhat/linux/beta/phoebe/ ftp://kickstart.linux.ncsu.edu/pub/redhat/linux/beta/phobe/ ftp://ftp.g-int.net/Mirrors/ftp.redhat.com/pub/redhat/linux/beta/phoebe/ ftp://mirror.cs.wisc.edu/pub/mirrors/linux/redhat/beta/phoebe/ Expect more mirrors to come online shortly. For discussion of PHOEBE, send mail to: phoebe-list-request(a)redhat.com with subscribe in the subject line. You can leave the body empty. Or see: https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/phoebe-list/ -- ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Charles R. Anderson <cra(a)wpi.edu> / http://angus.ind.wpi.edu/~cra/ PGP Key ID: 49BB5886 Fingerprint: EBA3 A106 7C93 FA07 8E15 3AC2 C367 A0F9 49BB 5886

Jan. 20, 2003

qmail Problem! - Can only take my mail if sent using qmail-inject,.....

by Aramico

Hi all, I'm still got a serious problem with my qmail server. Now, I can send email to my address using qmail-inject directly from my console. Then, I'll try to retreive my email from my Outlook, it works, I can get my my mail, but it is said form my MAILER-DAEMON. In other case, I can send using my email address that listed in my qmail server successfully, but If some body send me message, I could not get it, in fact, the sender doesnt get the confirmation that the email has sent to invalid username in the defined domain. It means that I can receive the email, but where the email saved ? what configuration that I've got to do to fix this ? Thanks Men.

Jan. 18, 2003

iPAQ update

by Wesley Allen

OK, I had a great time at the meeting on Wednesday, just let me say that first off. The great thing about linux is community, and WLUG certainly has that.... Now, at this moment I'm listening to a Nickel Creek .ogg on my iPAQ using Opie's media play w/ libvorbis. It's a little unstable, but once I get a decent flash card I'll finally be able to take my music files with me.... It took a while to get to this point. I disliked wiki before, now I positively HATE it (and I think Linux Magazine is on drugs for liking it so much). Stuff is just, missing - like how to make sure your iPAQ has dns entries by copying one file.....arrrgh! I could ssh in right away, and on usb, that was the easy part; but for some reason iptables weren't working at first and I had to wipe them and start over, now I've got dns AND iptables forwarding my packets, and the ipaq is on the internet (no, I'm not writing this e-mail on it, an iPAQ, no keyboard, remember?). The only problems I have are with the todolist (it won't start), and qtopia desktop (it won't link). The todolist is missing a library, which I'll find, but the syncing issue is a pain, it just won't see it. Brad's been great and he think going up to opie unstable may solve the issue, we'll see (don't you just love debian users? They say, "Go use unstable" as if that's just what people do...). Now, when I get a tape-player or mp3 input in a car stereo I can finally ask for that microdrive for Christmas! Thanks again! Wes

Jan. 17, 2003

Re: [Wlug] looking forward to the 15th!

by Wes Allen

Brad, Thanks for your help. I've actually got usbnetworking installed and working (I'm ssh'd in to the ipaq), but qtopia desktop won't connect and ipkg update won't see the world (even though I've got forwarding set up...). Aargh!! Wes On Wednesday 15 January 2003 6:03 pm, brad wrote: > On Wed, Jan 15, 2003 at 04:16:34PM -0500, Wesley Allen wrote: > > I'm backing up now.... > > good. > > > I'll get the bootloader installed and I'm bringing my laptop w/ win4lin > > so I'll have activesync if we need it... > > Yeah, just install boolblaster and back up. Don't actually do throught > the boot loader install process. > > > Am I going to have to manually add my contacts back in? > > Where do you have you contacts now? outlook? > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug -- ------ This message may be signed using GPG, for my public key please send me a message with "Key Request" in the subject line.

Jan. 16, 2003

Re: [Wlug] looking forward to the 15th!

by brad

On Wed, Jan 15, 2003 at 04:16:34PM -0500, Wesley Allen wrote: > I'm backing up now.... good. > > I'll get the bootloader installed and I'm bringing my laptop w/ win4lin > so I'll have activesync if we need it... Yeah, just install boolblaster and back up. Don't actually do throught the boot loader install process. > Am I going to have to manually add my contacts back in? Where do you have you contacts now? outlook?

Jan. 15, 2003

Re: [Wlug] looking forward to the 15th!

by Wesley Allen

I'm backing up now.... I'll get the bootloader installed and I'm bringing my laptop w/ win4lin so I'll have activesync if we need it... Am I going to have to manually add my contacts back in? I've been toying w/the qtopia demo... hmmmm. Wes On Wed, 2003-01-15 at 15:01, brad wrote: > Wes, > Almost time ... here's a small check list to keep in mind. > > -make sure you have all your data backed up. > > -you will have to install bootblaster before you get to the meeting because > you need to install it with activesync, which i don't have. > > here's the web page > http://familiar.handhelds.org/releases/v0.6.1/install/install-bootldr.html > do the steps up to 'installing the bootldr'. (We'll do that at the meeting). > > - you may want to bring your laptop with ppp and minicom installed (i think > you said you had one). Once we have linux install i can set up ppp for you so > you can talk to your ipaq from linux. > > I think that's it, let me know if you have any questions. > > --brad > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

Jan. 15, 2003

Re: [Wlug] looking forward to the 15th!

by brad

Wes, Almost time ... here's a small check list to keep in mind. -make sure you have all your data backed up. -you will have to install bootblaster before you get to the meeting because you need to install it with activesync, which i don't have. here's the web page http://familiar.handhelds.org/releases/v0.6.1/install/install-bootldr.html do the steps up to 'installing the bootldr'. (We'll do that at the meeting). - you may want to bring your laptop with ppp and minicom installed (i think you said you had one). Once we have linux install i can set up ppp for you so you can talk to your ipaq from linux. I think that's it, let me know if you have any questions. --brad

Jan. 15, 2003

Fwd: Re: [Wlug] My qmail server could send the email but it could not receive the email.

by Mike Frysinger

could have sworn i signed up for the list :) -mike ---------- Forwarded Message ---------- Subject: Re: [Wlug] My qmail server could send the email but it could not receive the email. Date: Wednesday 15 January 2003 13:45 From: Mike Frysinger <vapier(a)gentoo.org> To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org On Wednesday 15 January 2003 13:37, Aramico wrote: > <aramico(a)petroleumbrunei.com>: > Sorry. Although I'm listed as a best-preference MX or A for that host, > it isn't in my control/locals file, so I don't treat it as local. (#5.4.6) theres the answer ... setup your control/locals file for your host -mike -------------------------------------------------------

Jan. 15, 2003

RE: [Wlug] My qmail server could send the email but it could not receive the email.

by Marc Hughes

I bet this is the problem: >Sorry. Although I'm listed as a best-preference MX or A for that host, >it isn't in my control/locals file, so I don't treat it as local. (#5.4.6) It sounds like the DNS is set up correctly, but QMAIL doesn't know it's supposed to accept mail destined for that domain. Take a look through the Qmail config docs. I'm sure it tell you how to fix that. -Marc -----Original Message----- From: wlug-admin(a)mail.wlug.org [mailto:wlug-admin@mail.wlug.org] On Behalf Of Aramico Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 1:37 PM To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org Subject: [Wlug] My qmail server could send the email but it could not receive the email. Well, I've got a problem here..... Can somebody help me.... I've just built a new qmailserver, I can send email using my email address, but I could not receive any mail that sent to my address. In fact, I think i dont have problem with pop3 setting. Everytime I check my mail in my new qmail server, it is always say "NO NEW MESSAGES", it looks like it doesnt have a problem. but, ever person that tried to send me an email to my address that defined in my new qmail server, the sender got replied from my server (MAILER_DAEMON). The message that the sender got after they sent me an email look like this bellow : ------------------------------------------------------------------------ -- Hi. This is the qmail-send program at petrolumbrunei.com. I'm afraid I wasn't able to deliver your message to the following addresses. This is a permanent error; I've given up. Sorry it didn't work out. <aramico(a)petroleumbrunei.com>: Sorry. Although I'm listed as a best-preference MX or A for that host, it isn't in my control/locals file, so I don't treat it as local. (#5.4.6) --- Below this line is a copy of the message. Return-Path: <aramico(a)duahati.com> Received: (qmail 3532 invoked from network); 15 Jan 2003 20:33:11 -0000 Received: from smtp3.cbn.net.id (202.158.3.28) by petrolumbrunei.com with SMTP; 15 Jan 2003 20:33:11 -0000 Received: from nomad (ip88-59.cbn.net.id [202.158.88.59]) by smtp3.cbn.net.id (Postfix) with SMTP id 96D8542E6B for <aramico(a)petroleumbrunei.com>; Thu, 16 Jan 2003 01:34:40 +0700 (WIT) Message-ID: <006101c2bcc4$b0d18c10$3d18a8c0@nomad> From: "Aramico" <aramico(a)duahati.com> To: "Aramico" <aramico(a)petroleumbrunei.com> Subject: Test! Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 01:34:07 +0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_005E_01C2BCFF.5CA9CEF0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_005E_01C2BCFF.5CA9CEF0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Test! - Sent from aramico(a)duahati.com to aramico(a)petroleumbrunei.com . ------=_NextPart_000_005E_01C2BCFF.5CA9CEF0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; = charset=3Diso-8859-1"> <META content=3D"MSHTML 6.00.2600.0" name=3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Test! - Sent from <A=20 href=3D"mailto:aramico@duahati.com">aramico(a)duahati.com</A> to <A=20 href=3D"mailto:aramico@petroleumbrunei.com">aramico(a)petroleumbrunei.com< /= A>=20 .</FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML> ------=_NextPart_000_005E_01C2BCFF.5CA9CEF0-- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ---- ---------------- So, can you please tell me what was wrong here, what must I do ? Thanks. Note : Well, Andy..... How can I get this problem solved ? Any Idea ? _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Jan. 15, 2003

My qmail server could send the email but it could not receive the email.

by Aramico

Well, I've got a problem here..... Can somebody help me.... I've just built a new qmailserver, I can send email using my email address, but I could not receive any mail that sent to my address. In fact, I think i dont have problem with pop3 setting. Everytime I check my mail in my new qmail server, it is always say "NO NEW MESSAGES", it looks like it doesnt have a problem. but, ever person that tried to send me an email to my address that defined in my new qmail server, the sender got replied from my server (MAILER_DAEMON). The message that the sender got after they sent me an email look like this bellow : -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hi. This is the qmail-send program at petrolumbrunei.com. I'm afraid I wasn't able to deliver your message to the following addresses. This is a permanent error; I've given up. Sorry it didn't work out. <aramico(a)petroleumbrunei.com>: Sorry. Although I'm listed as a best-preference MX or A for that host, it isn't in my control/locals file, so I don't treat it as local. (#5.4.6) --- Below this line is a copy of the message. Return-Path: <aramico(a)duahati.com> Received: (qmail 3532 invoked from network); 15 Jan 2003 20:33:11 -0000 Received: from smtp3.cbn.net.id (202.158.3.28) by petrolumbrunei.com with SMTP; 15 Jan 2003 20:33:11 -0000 Received: from nomad (ip88-59.cbn.net.id [202.158.88.59]) by smtp3.cbn.net.id (Postfix) with SMTP id 96D8542E6B for <aramico(a)petroleumbrunei.com>; Thu, 16 Jan 2003 01:34:40 +0700 (WIT) Message-ID: <006101c2bcc4$b0d18c10$3d18a8c0@nomad> From: "Aramico" <aramico(a)duahati.com> To: "Aramico" <aramico(a)petroleumbrunei.com> Subject: Test! Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 01:34:07 +0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_005E_01C2BCFF.5CA9CEF0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_005E_01C2BCFF.5CA9CEF0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Test! - Sent from aramico(a)duahati.com to aramico(a)petroleumbrunei.com . ------=_NextPart_000_005E_01C2BCFF.5CA9CEF0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; = charset=3Diso-8859-1"> <META content=3D"MSHTML 6.00.2600.0" name=3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Test! - Sent from <A=20 href=3D"mailto:aramico@duahati.com">aramico(a)duahati.com</A> to <A=20 href=3D"mailto:aramico@petroleumbrunei.com">aramico(a)petroleumbrunei.com</= A>=20 .</FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML> ------=_NextPart_000_005E_01C2BCFF.5CA9CEF0-- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------- So, can you please tell me what was wrong here, what must I do ? Thanks. Note : Well, Andy..... How can I get this problem solved ? Any Idea ?

Jan. 15, 2003

RE: [Wlug] SCSI question.

by Mike

I havent looked for a couple of weeks now but Ubid http://www.ubid.com had 36GB 10K ultra 160 drives for just over $100 and the 18GB for just under $100 I believe. They are an auction site and recently not as good as they once where but from time to time there are some good buys there. ~ Michael LaPointe ~ HorizonNet Communications ~ http://www.allLongdistance.com > -----Original Message----- > From: wlug-admin(a)mail.wlug.org [mailto:wlug-admin@mail.wlug.org]On > Behalf Of John Stoffel > Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 11:40 AM > To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > Subject: Re: [Wlug] SCSI question. > > > > Karl> Thanks all that answered. I just spent my $100 on a 10,000rpm > Karl> 18G drive. > > You got a SCSI drive for that price? Wow... > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

Jan. 14, 2003

Re: [Wlug] SCSI question.

by John Stoffel

Karl> Thanks all that answered. I just spent my $100 on a 10,000rpm Karl> 18G drive. You got a SCSI drive for that price? Wow...

Jan. 14, 2003

Re: [Wlug] SCSI question.

by Karl Hiramoto

Yeah it says 160 bad blocks :-( And it's about 6 months past the end of the 3 year warranty :-( It still amazes me how well the warranty timing circuity works... ;-) Thanks all that answered. I just spent my $100 on a 10,000rpm 18G drive. On Mon, 13 Jan 2003, Bill Mills-Curran wrote: > On Mon, 13 Jan 2003, Karl Hiramoto wrote: > > <snip> > > One of my out of warranty drives died. (bad sectors) > > > <snip> > > Would "e2fsck -c <partition>" help to save your current drive? > > Bill > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > -- ¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø Karl Hiramoto <karl(a)hiramoto.org> Work: 978-425-2090 ext 25 Cell: 508-517-4819 Personal web page: http://karl.hiramoto.org/ Freedom: http://www.technojihad.com/ Zoop Productions: http://www.zoop.org/ KTEQ Rapid City: http://www.kteq.org/ AOL IM ID = KarlH420 Yahoo_IM = karl_hiramoto ¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø The relative importance of files depends on their cost in terms of the human effort needed to regenerate them. -- T.A. Dolotta

Jan. 14, 2003

Re: [Wlug] SCSI question.

by Bill Mills-Curran

On Mon, 13 Jan 2003, Karl Hiramoto wrote: <snip> > One of my out of warranty drives died. (bad sectors) > <snip> Would "e2fsck -c <partition>" help to save your current drive? Bill

Jan. 13, 2003

Re: [Wlug] SCSI question.

by Clint Moyer

It won't run at U160 speeds with that adapter, but it will work. On Mon, 13 Jan 2003 17:22:52 -0500 (EST) Karl Hiramoto <karl(a)zoop.org> wrote: > >I know there are some SCSI guru's on this list. > >One of my out of warranty drives died. (bad sectors) > >I'm replacing it. The old drive was SCSI-2 Wide(80pin). > The SCSI >interface listed in /proc/pci is: >SCSI storage controller: Adaptec AHA-2940U/UW/D / >AIC-7881U (rev 1). > >Will a Ultra160 80pin drive work? I'm pretty sure it >does, just >looking for verification. Anyone know for sure? > > >Thanks > >-- > >¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø >Karl Hiramoto <karl(a)hiramoto.org> >Work: 978-425-2090 ext 25 >Cell: 508-517-4819 >Personal web page: http://karl.hiramoto.org/ >Freedom: http://www.technojihad.com/ >Zoop Productions: http://www.zoop.org/ >KTEQ Rapid City: http://www.kteq.org/ >AOL IM ID = KarlH420 Yahoo_IM = karl_hiramoto >¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø > > > >_______________________________________________ >Wlug mailing list >Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > <TEXTAREA NAME="Signature" ROWS="4" COLS="60">

Jan. 13, 2003

Re: [Wlug] SCSI question.

by Matthew Schnee

Yes, the drive will work. Matthew Schnee Karl Hiramoto wrote: > > I know there are some SCSI guru's on this list. > > One of my out of warranty drives died. (bad sectors) > > I'm replacing it. The old drive was SCSI-2 Wide(80pin). The SCSI > interface listed in /proc/pci is: > SCSI storage controller: Adaptec AHA-2940U/UW/D / AIC-7881U (rev 1). > > Will a Ultra160 80pin drive work? I'm pretty sure it does, just > looking for verification. Anyone know for sure? > > Thanks > > -- > > ¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø > Karl Hiramoto <karl(a)hiramoto.org> > Work: 978-425-2090 ext 25 > Cell: 508-517-4819 > Personal web page: http://karl.hiramoto.org/ > Freedom: http://www.technojihad.com/ > Zoop Productions: http://www.zoop.org/ > KTEQ Rapid City: http://www.kteq.org/ > AOL IM ID = KarlH420 Yahoo_IM = karl_hiramoto > ¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Jan. 13, 2003

SCSI question.

by Karl Hiramoto

I know there are some SCSI guru's on this list. One of my out of warranty drives died. (bad sectors) I'm replacing it. The old drive was SCSI-2 Wide(80pin). The SCSI interface listed in /proc/pci is: SCSI storage controller: Adaptec AHA-2940U/UW/D / AIC-7881U (rev 1). Will a Ultra160 80pin drive work? I'm pretty sure it does, just looking for verification. Anyone know for sure? Thanks -- ¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø Karl Hiramoto <karl(a)hiramoto.org> Work: 978-425-2090 ext 25 Cell: 508-517-4819 Personal web page: http://karl.hiramoto.org/ Freedom: http://www.technojihad.com/ Zoop Productions: http://www.zoop.org/ KTEQ Rapid City: http://www.kteq.org/ AOL IM ID = KarlH420 Yahoo_IM = karl_hiramoto ¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø

Jan. 13, 2003

Re: [Wlug] I could not read from my my qmail server.

by Karl Hiramoto

I'd say you need to first find the cause of the "MAILER_DAEMON FAILURE NOTICE" maybee attach one of the messages and send it to the list. It usually says in the message why it failed. Then just correct the problem. Also look at the qmail logs, they might indicate what is going on. The logs might be in /var/log/ or /var/log/messages You gave very few details. On Mon, 13 Jan 2003, Aramico wrote: > Hi all, > Can you please help me.... > > I've got a problem with qmail, > > I've built my qmail server, > Here, I can send an email using my email address, cleary listed on the > recepient name that the sender's address is listed. > But, these following things happen : > > 1. I can connect to my server, the connection and autorization are workin' > nice, It alwais say "NO NEW MESSAGES" > 2. When I'm tryin' to send an email address to the one of the email address > that defined on my mail server, it always MAILER_DAEMON replied with the > subject is "FAILURE NOTICE" > > So, can somebody tell me what has happened here... ? What Shoul I Do ? > > Thanks All, > Bye there and have a nice day! > > > Note : I'm using qmail with pop3. > > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > -- ¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø Karl Hiramoto <karl(a)hiramoto.org> Work: 978-425-2090 ext 25 Cell: 508-517-4819 Personal web page: http://karl.hiramoto.org/ Freedom: http://www.technojihad.com/ Zoop Productions: http://www.zoop.org/ KTEQ Rapid City: http://www.kteq.org/ AOL IM ID = KarlH420 Yahoo_IM = karl_hiramoto ¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø The future not being born, my friend, we will abstain from baptizing it. -- George Meredith

Jan. 13, 2003

I could not read from my my qmail server.

by Aramico

Hi all, Can you please help me.... I've got a problem with qmail, I've built my qmail server, Here, I can send an email using my email address, cleary listed on the recepient name that the sender's address is listed. But, these following things happen : 1. I can connect to my server, the connection and autorization are workin' nice, It alwais say "NO NEW MESSAGES" 2. When I'm tryin' to send an email address to the one of the email address that defined on my mail server, it always MAILER_DAEMON replied with the subject is "FAILURE NOTICE" So, can somebody tell me what has happened here... ? What Shoul I Do ? Thanks All, Bye there and have a nice day! Note : I'm using qmail with pop3.

Jan. 13, 2003

REMINDER: WLUG meeting 15-jan-03

by Andy Stewart

HI everybody, This is a reminder about the upcoming WLUG meeting to be held on Wednesday, January 15, 2003 in Kinnicutt Hall on the WPI campus in Worcester, MA. At this meeting, we'll be discussing Linux on handheld devices. Mostly, this meeting will be about actually running Linux on things like the iPAQ, but if anybody is interested, I"ll have my Palm IIIx and jpilot available for a quick demo (more like Linux *with* handhelds). I think Brad and Wes will be bringing iPAQs. Who else is planning on bringing something? I had heard a rumor that somebody in the group had an XBOX running Linux, and if so, that's fair game since it will fit in my hands. :-) Please respond to this e-mail if you are bringing something for this meeting. That info will help to draw interested parties to the meeting and make it a better meeting. Be there - 7:00 PM ! Andy -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA USA http://www.wlug.org

Jan. 11, 2003

Re: [Wlug] Suse Linux: Internet access

by philrmcss＠netscape.net

Andy Stewart <andystewart(a)attbi.com> wrote: Andy: Good thinking. When I get to rambling, I can really ramble. Thanks for the help. Phil > >Hi Phil, > >Let's break this into two threads so people will have a chance to address each >topic without confusion. > >Secondly, if you could provide more information regarding what you did, what >you expected to happen, and what actually happened (error messages and such >are really helpful), then I'm sure somebody on this list can help get you up >and running smartly. > >Later, > >Andy > >-- >Andy Stewart, Founder >Worcester Linux Users' Group >Worcester, MA USA >http://www.wlug.org > > >_______________________________________________ >Wlug mailing list >Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > __________________________________________________________________ The NEW Netscape 7.0 browser is now available. Upgrade now! http://channels.netscape.com/ns/browsers/download.jsp Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/

Jan. 8, 2003

RE: [Wlug] Suse Linux: Internet access

by Keller, Tim

Well, If you've got a "winmodem" check a few places like http://www.linmodems.org/ also, google is your friend in this case. If you've got an internal hardware modem, it's been my experience that in order for it to work at all, the port/IRQ settings in your bios have to exactly match the ones postulated in the setserial documentation... /dev/ttys0 (COM1), port 0x3f8, irq 4 /dev/ttys1 (COM2), port 0x2f8, irq 3 /dev/ttys2 (COM3), port 0x3e8, irq 4 /dev/ttys3 (COM4), port 0x2e8, irq 3 As for the broadband, do you have an external broadband modem connected to your machine via ethernet or an onboard broadband adapter? (I'm going on the premise that you've got the former... if you don't you'll have to look around for drivers that'll support the onboard broadband adapter) For your ethernet not working, I'd first check to see that the card was recognized. The best place to start is to see if the drivers been loaded. executing the "lsmod" command (as root) will give you a listing of all the loaded drivers... [root@medusa proc]# lsmod Module Size Used by Not tainted nls_iso8859-1 3488 0 (autoclean) 3c59x 28520 1 ... (this listing could be quite long) You should see something like the 3c59x (if you've got a 3com card) Also, you might want to check the Suse hardware errata to make sure that your cards totally supported. In this day an age, only rather exotic hardware isn't fully supported... Another place to look is /proc/interrupt aka "cat /proc/interrupt" (once again as root) this will give you a listing of all the devices linux sees on the machine. If you don't see your ethernet card listed, you probably have some sort of conflict. I hope this helps... Tim. -----Original Message----- From: Robert L Krawitz [mailto:rlk@alum.mit.edu] Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2003 7:11 AM To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org Cc: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org Subject: Re: [Wlug] Suse Linux: Internet access From: "Aramico" <aramico(a)duahati.com> Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2003 13:55:51 +0700 Well, if the modem can work under Linux, the name is not WinModem, It's a kind of Hardware Modem. No, a few manufacturers have provided Linux drivers for their WinModems. -- Robert Krawitz <rlk(a)alum.mit.edu> Tall Clubs International -- http://www.tall.org/ or 1-888-IM-TALL-2 Member of the League for Programming Freedom -- mail lpf(a)uunet.uu.net Project lead for Gimp Print -- http://gimp-print.sourceforge.net "Linux doesn't dictate how I work, I dictate how Linux works." --Eric Crampton _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Jan. 7, 2003

Re: [Wlug] Suse Linux: Internet access

by Robert L Krawitz

From: "Aramico" <aramico(a)duahati.com> Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2003 13:55:51 +0700 Well, if the modem can work under Linux, the name is not WinModem, It's a kind of Hardware Modem. No, a few manufacturers have provided Linux drivers for their WinModems. -- Robert Krawitz <rlk(a)alum.mit.edu> Tall Clubs International -- http://www.tall.org/ or 1-888-IM-TALL-2 Member of the League for Programming Freedom -- mail lpf(a)uunet.uu.net Project lead for Gimp Print -- http://gimp-print.sourceforge.net "Linux doesn't dictate how I work, I dictate how Linux works." --Eric Crampton

Jan. 7, 2003

Re: [Wlug] Suse Linux: Internet access

by Wes Allen

No, it's a "software" modem, it's just that certain software modemns have had their specs open and others have had binary-only drivers released for them... Wes On Tuesday 07 January 2003 1:55 am, Aramico wrote: > Well, if the modem can work under Linux, the name is not WinModem, It's a > kind of Hardware Modem. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Andy Stewart" <andystewart(a)attbi.com> > To: <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> > Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2003 11:19 AM > Subject: Re: [Wlug] Suse Linux: Internet access > > > On Monday 06 January 2003 10:47 pm, Aramico wrote: > > > Well, it's a little bit easy to indicate what your modem is ? > > > If your modem is a kind of internal model, it must be a win modem. > > > A win modem is a kind of modem that the mechanism is provided by > > > windows application, it's not workin on linux machine. > > > > Not necessarily true. > > > > > If you got an internal modem with the branded one such as USR Robotics, > > it > > > > is not win modem, it can work on linux platform. > > > Basically, if you found a warning on your modem that your modem need > > > minimum requeirment processor, it means you got a win modem, can not > > work > > > > with Linux. > > > > > > > > > Okay, hope that can clear your problem. > > > > There are a few WinModems that *do* work under Linux, but generally > > speaking, > > > they do not. My laptop has a Conexant chip in it, which does have a > > Linux driver available. > > > > See: > > http://www.mbsi.ca/cnxtlindrv/ > > > > I have not tried to use this software, so I can't say first hand that it > > works. > > > > Later, > > > > Andy > > > > -- > > Andy Stewart, Founder > > Worcester Linux Users' Group > > Worcester, MA USA > > http://www.wlug.org > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wlug mailing list > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug -- ------ This message may be signed using GPG, for my public key please send me a message with "Key Request" in the subject line.

Jan. 7, 2003

Re: [Wlug] Zaurus or Convert iPAQ?

by Wes Allen

OK, THAT is just sick...... I LIKE it! Wes On Monday 06 January 2003 10:12 pm, Andy Stewart wrote: > On Saturday 04 January 2003 3:49 pm, Wes Allen wrote: > > Hi gang, > > I'm currently wrestling with getting a Zaurus or just going ahead and > > converting my iPAQ to Linux. What do you guys think? > > > > Wes > > Buy the Zaurus, convert the iPAQ, and get them to talk to one another via > wireless. Setup VNC servers - amaze your friends! > > :-) -- ------ This message may be signed using GPG, for my public key please send me a message with "Key Request" in the subject line.

Jan. 7, 2003

Re: [Wlug] Suse Linux: Internet access

by Aramico

Well, if the modem can work under Linux, the name is not WinModem, It's a kind of Hardware Modem. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andy Stewart" <andystewart(a)attbi.com> To: <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2003 11:19 AM Subject: Re: [Wlug] Suse Linux: Internet access > On Monday 06 January 2003 10:47 pm, Aramico wrote: > > Well, it's a little bit easy to indicate what your modem is ? > > If your modem is a kind of internal model, it must be a win modem. > > A win modem is a kind of modem that the mechanism is provided by windows > > application, it's not workin on linux machine. > > Not necessarily true. > > > > > If you got an internal modem with the branded one such as USR Robotics, it > > is not win modem, it can work on linux platform. > > Basically, if you found a warning on your modem that your modem need > > minimum requeirment processor, it means you got a win modem, can not work > > with Linux. > > > > > > Okay, hope that can clear your problem. > > There are a few WinModems that *do* work under Linux, but generally speaking, > they do not. My laptop has a Conexant chip in it, which does have a Linux > driver available. > > See: > http://www.mbsi.ca/cnxtlindrv/ > > I have not tried to use this software, so I can't say first hand that it > works. > > Later, > > Andy > > -- > Andy Stewart, Founder > Worcester Linux Users' Group > Worcester, MA USA > http://www.wlug.org > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

Jan. 7, 2003

Re: [Wlug] Suse Linux: Internet access

by Andy Stewart

On Monday 06 January 2003 10:47 pm, Aramico wrote: > Well, it's a little bit easy to indicate what your modem is ? > If your modem is a kind of internal model, it must be a win modem. > A win modem is a kind of modem that the mechanism is provided by windows > application, it's not workin on linux machine. Not necessarily true. > > If you got an internal modem with the branded one such as USR Robotics, it > is not win modem, it can work on linux platform. > Basically, if you found a warning on your modem that your modem need > minimum requeirment processor, it means you got a win modem, can not work > with Linux. > > > Okay, hope that can clear your problem. There are a few WinModems that *do* work under Linux, but generally speaking, they do not. My laptop has a Conexant chip in it, which does have a Linux driver available. See: http://www.mbsi.ca/cnxtlindrv/ I have not tried to use this software, so I can't say first hand that it works. Later, Andy -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA USA http://www.wlug.org

Jan. 7, 2003

Upcoming meeting January 15th

by Andy Stewart

Hi Everybody, Our meeting about "Linux and Handhelds" is coming up soon! If you are bringing a handheld device, please send me e-mail so I can post the info on the website and in a subsequent e-mail. If you're bringing some "non-conventional" device running Linux, that's OK too, just let me know so I can tell others. Thanks! Andy -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA USA http://www.wlug.org

Jan. 7, 2003

Re: [Wlug] Suse Linux: Internet access

by Aramico

Well, it's a little bit easy to indicate what your modem is ? If your modem is a kind of internal model, it must be a win modem. A win modem is a kind of modem that the mechanism is provided by windows application, it's not workin on linux machine. If you got an internal modem with the branded one such as USR Robotics, it is not win modem, it can work on linux platform. Basically, if you found a warning on your modem that your modem need minimum requeirment processor, it means you got a win modem, can not work with Linux. Okay, hope that can clear your problem. ---------------------------------------------------------- Aramico ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andy Stewart" <andystewart(a)attbi.com> To: <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2003 10:22 AM Subject: Re: [Wlug] Suse Linux: Internet access > On Sunday 05 January 2003 10:50 pm, philrmcss(a)netscape.net wrote: > > I recently installed Suse Linux on my Pentium III, 600 mHz computer that > > had Windows XP installed previously. Linux seems to work OK, except that I > > can't access my cable modem or dial-up modem from it. If I want to go to > > the internet, I have to go via windows. > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

Jan. 7, 2003

Re: [Wlug] vpn behind firewall

by Michael Long

Hi Andy, I was hoping that by adding a second nic card that plugs into my router I could somehow configure the webserver to use one nic and the vpn to use the other without the 2 cards knowing about each other. From some of the responses I have gotten it appears that this was naive thinking on my part. Cheers, Mike > On Tuesday 31 December 2002 10:18 am, Michael Long wrote: > > I have gotten both vpn's coexisting nicely with each other. I can now > > connect to my desktop at work via vnc. It looks like I can now remove my > > windows partition...YEA! > > > > Now for my final issue. I have not been able to configure my cisco vpn to > > allow me access to my local lan when connected the vpn is running. This is > > proving to be most inconvenient because I do have a web server running that > > is accessable to the outside world. Unfortunately the webserver is > > unavailable when the vpn is activated. I am thinking that if I add a > > second nic card to the box and configure it properly that I should be able > > to have one card handle the webserver traffic and the other card will > > handle the vpn traffic. Does this seems like a sane configuration? If so > > can someone point me to documentation that will explain how to accomplish > > this. > > > > Thanks again, > > Mike > > Hi Mike, > > Look for a setting in your configuration that says something about > "EXCLUDE_LOCAL_LAN". The possible values are true and false. Toggle it and > see if that fixes your problem. > > If the webserver in question is running on the machine that is making the VPN > connection, then it will not be visible on the Internet while the VPN is > active. That's a feature. When you activate the VPN on your machine, you > become part of your company's network, and when you deactivate the VPN, you > go "back to normal". > > You could add another NIC to handle the web traffic, but you then create a > path from one NIC to your machine and out the other NIC to your company's > network. Do you really want to create a back door into your company's > network that way? This is a security issue to be considered. > > Later, > > Andy > > -- > Andy Stewart, Founder > Worcester Linux Users' Group > Worcester, MA USA > http://www.wlug.org > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > >

Jan. 7, 2003

Re: [Wlug] Suse Linux: Internet access

by Andy Stewart

On Sunday 05 January 2003 10:50 pm, philrmcss(a)netscape.net wrote: > I recently installed Suse Linux on my Pentium III, 600 mHz computer that > had Windows XP installed previously. Linux seems to work OK, except that I > can't access my cable modem or dial-up modem from it. If I want to go to > the internet, I have to go via windows. Hi Phil, Let's break this into two threads so people will have a chance to address each topic without confusion. Secondly, if you could provide more information regarding what you did, what you expected to happen, and what actually happened (error messages and such are really helpful), then I'm sure somebody on this list can help get you up and running smartly. Later, Andy -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA USA http://www.wlug.org

Jan. 7, 2003

Re: [Wlug] Zaurus or Convert iPAQ?

by Andy Stewart

On Saturday 04 January 2003 3:49 pm, Wes Allen wrote: > Hi gang, > I'm currently wrestling with getting a Zaurus or just going ahead and > converting my iPAQ to Linux. What do you guys think? > > Wes Buy the Zaurus, convert the iPAQ, and get them to talk to one another via wireless. Setup VNC servers - amaze your friends! :-) -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA USA http://www.wlug.org

Jan. 7, 2003

Re: [Wlug] vpn behind firewall

by Andy Stewart

On Tuesday 31 December 2002 10:18 am, Michael Long wrote: > I have gotten both vpn's coexisting nicely with each other. I can now > connect to my desktop at work via vnc. It looks like I can now remove my > windows partition...YEA! > > Now for my final issue. I have not been able to configure my cisco vpn to > allow me access to my local lan when connected the vpn is running. This is > proving to be most inconvenient because I do have a web server running that > is accessable to the outside world. Unfortunately the webserver is > unavailable when the vpn is activated. I am thinking that if I add a > second nic card to the box and configure it properly that I should be able > to have one card handle the webserver traffic and the other card will > handle the vpn traffic. Does this seems like a sane configuration? If so > can someone point me to documentation that will explain how to accomplish > this. > > Thanks again, > Mike Hi Mike, Look for a setting in your configuration that says something about "EXCLUDE_LOCAL_LAN". The possible values are true and false. Toggle it and see if that fixes your problem. If the webserver in question is running on the machine that is making the VPN connection, then it will not be visible on the Internet while the VPN is active. That's a feature. When you activate the VPN on your machine, you become part of your company's network, and when you deactivate the VPN, you go "back to normal". You could add another NIC to handle the web traffic, but you then create a path from one NIC to your machine and out the other NIC to your company's network. Do you really want to create a back door into your company's network that way? This is a security issue to be considered. Later, Andy -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA USA http://www.wlug.org

Jan. 7, 2003

Re: [Wlug] RE: Linux on a PPC chip

by Andy Stewart

On Monday 30 December 2002 12:55 pm, Sands Fish wrote: > Now, the only other tweak I have a burning desire to > make to this box is to configure the kernel to use SMP > for the dual 500Mhz processors. From what I've heard, > it should only be using the first one right now, and > that I have to rebuild the kernel with SMP support. > Sound right? I would appreciate any tips or help on > getting there, such as: > > -> how > -> where to check to -know- that it's using > one or both > -> any other useful kernel info > > anything would be great really. thanx! > > - Sands <x>< HI Sands, This command: cat /proc/cpuinfo shows both of my CPUs in operation. There should be a section for each processor. The program xosview will also show what each of the N CPUs are doing. (Its rather cool to run on a 16 processor Sun server, but I digress). Finally, check /var/log/boot.msg (is this generic or specific to SuSE?) to see something like the following: <4>Processor #0 Pentium(tm) Pro APIC version 17 <4>Processor #1 Pentium(tm) Pro APIC version 17 <4>I/O APIC #2 Version 17 at 0xFEC00000. <4>Processors: 2 Later, Andy -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA USA http://www.wlug.org

Jan. 7, 2003

Re: [Wlug] Notebooks...

by Andy Stewart

Hi Wes, There is alot of information at this website: http://www.linux-laptop.net/ For me, my Sony VAIO PCG-FXA36 works fine with SuSE Linux 8.1 except for the built in modem. However, I *think* there's a driver available for the modem, but I have not tried it. As Doug mentioned, the battery life stinks (a little over an hour), and at $250 for a 2nd battery, they can keep it. Later, Andy -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA USA http://www.wlug.org

Jan. 7, 2003

Re: [Wlug] Color matching scanned photos vs. printed output

by Andy Stewart

On Thursday 02 January 2003 10:39 pm, Skip Gaede wrote: > Hi Andy, > > I have just discovered that the GIMP can work with color profiles. > See http://www.coloraid.de/, which was referenced at > http://www.normankoren.com/color_management_3.html > > Norman Koren has a web site that discusses a lot of aspects of > digital darkroom. To calibrate things, you need a printed color > chart, an example of which is the IT8 target. I have seen them > sold by Praxisoft for $70.00, but you can get the same chart from > Germany for $10.00 US + $5.00 S&H. Check out SCARSE which is a > Linux program for scanner profiles. Hi gang, Thanks for the additional info. I'll take a look at this info shortly. I've also found some information in "Grokking the GIMP" with regard to how to use some features of the GIMP to enhance scanned images. This was most helpful when I discovered that scanning images from a magazine or calendar (printed material) caused a speckling effect to appear in the resulting image. The GIMP has a despeckling filter that removes this rather well in many cases. This entire topic has me wondering if a detailed examination of the features of the GIMP might be a good discussion for a future meeting. There seems to be much more there than originally meets the eye. Later, Andy -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA USA http://www.wlug.org

Jan. 7, 2003

Re: [Wlug] Toshiba Laptop?

by Robert Condon

I am writing this on a Toshiba Tecra 8000. I have used it since Suse 7.2 but it is now 8.1. APM worked correctly with 8.0 but not with 8.1 so I will be reinstalling it with 8.0. Otherwise, I am happy with it though it gets hot and the battery only lasts about an hour. Bob Condon doug waud wrote: > Wesley Allen wrote: > >> What's your collective opinion of Toshiba laptops? Circuit City has >> got a decent machine (Satellite 1415-s173) for $999 and they actually >> let me boot Knoppix on it to check out hardware support (everything >> worked). > > > I have an old toshiba satellite ( 2595cdt ) which runs nicely for me on > SuSE 7.2. I have had it since 0ct/99. No problems. Have added memory and > put in a large hard drive. > >> The only thing I'm wondering about is the battery. > > > Battery life sucks. Like Andy I seem to get very poor running time. I > get an hour or less on battery so, for all practical purposes, I just > run it off the AC. > >> MY HP >> laptop doesn't let Linux read the battery info with either apm or acpi, >> and I think this is a function of an incredibly bad bios >> implementation. The demo models at Circuit City didn't have batteries, >> so I had no way of checking this bug out on that brand. Does anyone >> have experience with a Toshiba laptop t > > > I ran xapm and got a display which said I had 15% charge so I assume the > bios was readable. The 15% probably means little since the computer has > been sitting in its case inactive since the last WLUG meeting. > > doug > > PS while drafting this email the % came up to 21 so it seems the xapm is > working as expected. > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

Jan. 6, 2003

Re: [Wlug] looking forward to the 15th!

by brad

On Monday 06 January 2003 03:25 pm, Wes Allen wrote: > Hi gang, > I'm looking forward to the 15th of January so I can finally say good-bye > to Brother Bill on my iPAQ. I got a couple of questions..... Good, only a few more days. Once you have linux installed you can sock-it to bill in style, with xbill on the ipaq. (Here's a screen shot, since i remember you hadn't seen it before) http://131.152.105.154/~opie/screenies/port.14617.png > Has anyone used the perl-script that syncs the ipaq and evolution? Other > then the notorious, "Don't run this while Evolution is open" are there any > other problems? what were you looking to sync? Mail? Calender? I don't think syncing mail works since the mail readers are not in a working state (at least for the opie enviornment). I believe evolution using the ical standard so syncing shouldn't be a problem. If you point me to this perl script, i will give it a try and let you know. > Which CF wireless nics work with linux on the iPAQ. I'm seriously > thinking that I'm going to get the cf-plus expansion pack and a wireless > nic for my iPAQ (linux's true strength is networking, right?). So which > one's work? I've never used the expansion, so i can't say from experience. This should help though. http://handhelds.org/z/wiki/IpaqHardwareCompatibility > And, sadly, how easy is it to reverse the process? On the off-chance that > I can't stand OPIE as a working environment. I've read the howto, how hard > is it in "real life." There is a restoration proceedure. http://www.handhelds.org/projects/wincerestoration.html --brad

Jan. 6, 2003

looking forward to the 15th!

by Wes Allen

Hi gang, I'm looking forward to the 15th of January so I can finally say good-bye to Brother Bill on my iPAQ. I got a couple of questions..... Has anyone used the perl-script that syncs the ipaq and evolution? Other then the notorious, "Don't run this while Evolution is open" are there any other problems? Which CF wireless nics work with linux on the iPAQ. I'm seriously thinking that I'm going to get the cf-plus expansion pack and a wireless nic for my iPAQ (linux's true strength is networking, right?). So which one's work? And, sadly, how easy is it to reverse the process? On the off-chance that I can't stand OPIE as a working environment. I've read the howto, how hard is it in "real life." It might be fun to invite some of the people from the compaq lab to the meeting if anyone who worked on ipaq linux is based in the Worcester area.... Wes -- ------ This message may be signed using GPG, for my public key please send me a message with "Key Request" in the subject line.

Jan. 6, 2003

Re: [Wlug] Notebooks...

by webmaster＠atari-users.net

Have you considered a Apple iBook or Powerbook? An iBook runs for about $1000 and PB's $2000. Compared to my Dell Laptop for work.. Apple has some nice hardware. I have an iBook 500mhz.. I was shocked how well Yellow Dog Linux ran on it. The speed difference over Mac OS X was very noticable. I also tried Mandrake PPC linux on it, not very impressed with it. Unfortunetly, the 20 gig drive I placed in the iBook fried, so all I have now is Mac OS X. The 10 gigs is too tight for a dual system. I'm having a hard time converting the wife to linux.<G> A buddy down in CT has a Powerbook running Yellow Dog also, only issue is the ATI video is not fully supported yet. just throwing my 2 cents in.. Rob Mahlert

Jan. 6, 2003

Re: [Wlug] Toshiba Laptop?

by doug waud

Wesley Allen wrote: > What's your collective opinion of Toshiba laptops? Circuit City > has got a decent machine (Satellite 1415-s173) for $999 and they actually > let me boot Knoppix on it to check out hardware support (everything > worked). I have an old toshiba satellite ( 2595cdt ) which runs nicely for me on SuSE 7.2. I have had it since 0ct/99. No problems. Have added memory and put in a large hard drive. > The only thing I'm wondering about is the battery. Battery life sucks. Like Andy I seem to get very poor running time. I get an hour or less on battery so, for all practical purposes, I just run it off the AC. > MY HP > laptop doesn't let Linux read the battery info with either apm or acpi, > and I think this is a function of an incredibly bad bios > implementation. The demo models at Circuit City didn't have batteries, > so I had no way of checking this bug out on that brand. Does anyone > have experience with a Toshiba laptop t I ran xapm and got a display which said I had 15% charge so I assume the bios was readable. The 15% probably means little since the computer has been sitting in its case inactive since the last WLUG meeting. doug PS while drafting this email the % came up to 21 so it seems the xapm is working as expected.

Jan. 6, 2003

Re: [Wlug] Notebooks...

by Wes Allen

When I have $1500, that's what I'm getting. I'm saving now! I looked at it the other day, what a cool machine! Wes On Monday 06 January 2003 9:45 am, Chuck Homic wrote: > On Mon, Dec 30, 2002 at 08:04:00AM +0000, Wesley T Allen wrote: > > My question is, what's known to work with Linux. Are Toshiba's > > friendly? I'm not touching a compaq with a 10 foot pole, and does > > anyone have an HP laptop that is fully functional with linux? What > > about the latest Dells? Or even, gasp GATEWAY???? > > > > I checked out linux on laptops, but most of the models weren't even > > close so I figured I'd ask all of you... > > Weren't close to what, exactly? You mean not close to working with Linux? > > I was looking for a simple machine (ie. more powerful than my desktop > P-200 was my minimum requirement) that would be ultra portable. I was > looking for something uber-small and uber-light that I'd carry around with > me everywhere because it was so uber-small and uber-light. > > I decided on a Fujitsu Lifebook P-2000, and it was the best purchasing > descision of my life. It has a couple of 1337 features: > > * 800MHz Crusoe chip (I mean come on, Linus helped design the chip!) > * 16:9 aspect ratio screen (1280x768), awesome for watching DVDs > * Wikkid 6+ hour battery life, with so-called "normal usage" > * Tiny: 10.5" by 6" by 1" > * Optional integrated 802.11b > * Everything works in Linux except the shatty WinModem > > All of my friends (who don't want a 19" screen on their laptop) drool over > the thing, so I'd highly recommend it if you don't need a number-crunchin' > gaming system. > > -Chuck > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug -- ------ This message may be signed using GPG, for my public key please send me a message with "Key Request" in the subject line.

Jan. 6, 2003

Re: [Wlug] Notebooks...

by Chuck Homic

On Mon, Dec 30, 2002 at 08:04:00AM +0000, Wesley T Allen wrote: > My question is, what's known to work with Linux. Are Toshiba's > friendly? I'm not touching a compaq with a 10 foot pole, and does > anyone have an HP laptop that is fully functional with linux? What > about the latest Dells? Or even, gasp GATEWAY???? > I checked out linux on laptops, but most of the models weren't even > close so I figured I'd ask all of you... Weren't close to what, exactly? You mean not close to working with Linux? I was looking for a simple machine (ie. more powerful than my desktop P-200 was my minimum requirement) that would be ultra portable. I was looking for something uber-small and uber-light that I'd carry around with me everywhere because it was so uber-small and uber-light. I decided on a Fujitsu Lifebook P-2000, and it was the best purchasing descision of my life. It has a couple of 1337 features: * 800MHz Crusoe chip (I mean come on, Linus helped design the chip!) * 16:9 aspect ratio screen (1280x768), awesome for watching DVDs * Wikkid 6+ hour battery life, with so-called "normal usage" * Tiny: 10.5" by 6" by 1" * Optional integrated 802.11b * Everything works in Linux except the shatty WinModem All of my friends (who don't want a 19" screen on their laptop) drool over the thing, so I'd highly recommend it if you don't need a number-crunchin' gaming system. -Chuck

Jan. 6, 2003

Re: [Wlug] Notebooks...

by William Smith

On Mon, 30 Dec 2002 08:04 "Wesley T Allen" <wallen(a)charter.net> wrote: > My question is, what's known to work with Linux. Are Toshiba's > friendly? I'm not touching a compaq with a 10 foot pole, and does > anyone have an HP laptop that is fully functional with linux? What > about the latest Dells? Or even, gasp GATEWAY???? i can't speak for the latest Gateway systems, but i know that my Gateway Solo 9100 works nicely with Linux... i run RH8.0 on it... I've been using Linux on it since I got it, with RH7.2. > I checked out linux on laptops, but most of the models weren't even close so I figured I'd ask all of you... I have found that it is always safer to ask. now... back to searching for Rio utils... ;) William Smith wsmith(a)chezsmith.com Fall River, MA www.chezsmith.com

Jan. 6, 2003

Suse Linux: Internet access

by philrmcss＠netscape.net

I recently installed Suse Linux on my Pentium III, 600 mHz computer that had Windows XP installed previously. Linux seems to work OK, except that I can't access my cable modem or dial-up modem from it. If I want to go to the internet, I have to go via windows. I got this machine from my son-in-law, and it has never printed in either windows or Linux. I have "properly" installed my deskjet 932 printer, it looks to be installed ok, but when I try to print, the printer never gets the data that the computer supposedly sends to it. Any help I can get from you folks would be greatly appreciated. Thanks Phil philrmcss(a)netscape.net __________________________________________________________________ The NEW Netscape 7.0 browser is now available. Upgrade now! http://channels.netscape.com/ns/browsers/download.jsp Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/

Jan. 6, 2003

Zaurus or Convert iPAQ?

by Wes Allen

Hi gang, I'm currently wrestling with getting a Zaurus or just going ahead and converting my iPAQ to Linux. What do you guys think? Wes -- ------ This message may be signed using GPG, for my public key please send me a message with "Key Request" in the subject line.

Jan. 4, 2003

Re: [Wlug] Notebooks...

by Robert L Krawitz

Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 08:04 From: "Wesley T Allen" <wallen(a)charter.net> My question is, what's known to work with Linux. Are Toshiba's friendly? I'm not touching a compaq with a 10 foot pole, and does anyone have an HP laptop that is fully functional with linux? What about the latest Dells? Or even, gasp GATEWAY???? I have a Dell Inspiron 8000 that works perfectly under Linux. I can suspend and resume it just fine, which impresses a lot of folks since they can't even do that under Windows. The 8200 is the current model; you can find 8000's and 8100's for reasonable money on eBay. It's a big, clunky-looking machine, but the internals are well done, it's very fast, and it has a very nice screen (1400x1050 or 1600x1200; none of this silly 1024x768 on a 15" screen). It can also take two batteries. I'd actually go for an 8000 rather than an 8200 if you want long battery life; the slower processors (mine is 700 MHz) make for much longer battery life. I get 5 hours from a 2700 and 3800 mAH battery; you can buy 4400 mAH batteries now, which should give about 7 hours of battery life. There are lots of other configuration options; you can get a combo DVD/CDRW drive, or two optical drives, if you like. You don't need a docking station, as it has all of the connections on the back panel. -- Robert Krawitz <rlk(a)alum.mit.edu> Tall Clubs International -- http://www.tall.org/ or 1-888-IM-TALL-2 Member of the League for Programming Freedom -- mail lpf(a)uunet.uu.net Project lead for Gimp Print -- http://gimp-print.sourceforge.net "Linux doesn't dictate how I work, I dictate how Linux works." --Eric Crampton

Jan. 4, 2003

Re: [Wlug] Web site down?

by Frank Sweetser

On Tue, Dec 31, 2002 at 11:57:42AM -0500, Keller, Tim wrote: > At least from Stratus, I'm not getting any connectivity to www.wlug.org ... > (actually I'm not sure that this email will get there either...) The building that hosts www.wlug.org lost network connectivity for a couple of days due to some unscheduled maintainence on our fiber plant. The mailing list did stay up, though. -- Frank Sweetser fs at wpi.edu WPI Network Engineer

Jan. 4, 2003

Re: [Wlug] Notebooks...

by Brian J. Conway

> My question is, what's known to work with Linux. Are Toshiba's > friendly? I'm not touching a compaq with a 10 foot pole, and does > anyone have an HP laptop that is fully functional with linux? > What about the latest Dells? Or even, gasp GATEWAY???? I checked > out linux on laptops, but most of the models weren't even close so > I figured I'd ask all of you... I'm a big fan of Dells and have run Linux on a few Inspiron and Latitude models (my current laptop is an Inspiron 8000). Every piece of hardware in it was supported out of the box by Mandrake: ATi video card, Maestro3 sound, EEPro100 onboard ethernet, DVD drive, and winmodem, which is of the Lucent variety, though I never bothered to set it up as I don't have any dial-up accounts. They're a bit more pricey than what you can find in a clearance at a store, but they're very customizable for a laptop (on Dell's web site), and that made it worth it to me. My $0.02. Brian J. Conway bconway(a)alum.wpi.edu "LINUX is obsolete" - Andrew S. Tanenbaum, creator of Minix - Jan 29, 1992

Jan. 4, 2003

RE: [Wlug] HP workstation up for grabs (free)

by Mike Peckar

Gimme a call - 508-835-2959 Mike -----Original Message----- From: wlug-admin(a)mail.wlug.org [mailto:wlug-admin@mail.wlug.org] On Behalf Of Doug Geiger Sent: Friday, January 03, 2003 6:45 PM To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org Subject: RE: [Wlug] HP workstation up for grabs (free) I'd be happy to take that off your hands - if it's still available. -- Doug Geiger runexe(a)bioradiation.net http://bioradiation.net/~runexe/ If you're crossing the nation in a covered wagon, it's better to have four strong oxen than 100 chickens. Chickens are OK but we can't make them work together yet. -- Ross Bott, Pyramid U.S., on multiprocessors at AUUGM '89. GNU Privacy Guard Fingerprint: E06F 00C8 50D3 19FC 6F6B 3F56 6B76 0762 DD37 4686 > -----Original Message----- > From: wlug-admin(a)mail.wlug.org > [mailto:wlug-admin@mail.wlug.org] On Behalf Of Mike Peckar > Sent: Friday, January 03, 2003 1:56 PM > To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > Subject: [Wlug] HP workstation up for grabs (free) > > > HP 9000/710 workstation > 32MB RAM > 50 Mhz CPU > 812MB disk (2x406) > 1024x768 graphics > 17" Monitor > Keyboard, mouse, but no CD and no RD > Was last running HP-UX 10.10 w/ CDE > > Also, looking for a halfway decent sparc - please contact me offline. > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Jan. 4, 2003

Re: [Wlug] vpn behind firewall

by Michael Long

Thanks for all the help...It seems I may be locked out of my local lan while connected :( I now have a semi-minor issue to solve. When connected to the vpn I can use realplayer to listen to internet radio after configuring the necessary proxy server. I have not been able to configure xmms play the same links. Off to RTFM for this. Cheers, Mike > On Fri, Jan 03, 2003 at 07:54:12PM -0500, Michael Long wrote: > mlong> Now for my final issue. I have not been able to configure my cisco vpn > mlong> to allow me access to my local lan when connected the vpn is running. > mlong> This is proving to be most inconvenient because I do have a web server > mlong> running that is accessable to the outside world. Unfortunately the > mlong> webserver is unavailable when the vpn is activated. I am thinking that > mlong> if I add a second nic card to the box and configure it properly that I > mlong> should be able to have one card handle the webserver traffic and the > mlong> other card will handle the vpn traffic. Does this seems like a sane > mlong> configuration? If so can someone point me to documentation that will > mlong> explain how to accomplish this. > > Maybe, maybe not. Most VPN software intentionally blocks access to other > networks except thost reachable through the VPN for security reasons. > This is known as disabling "Split Tunneling". If you can re-enable > Split Tunneling, you would be able to access your local network without > going through the VPN. Unfortunately, it is usually a setting controlled > on the VPN server, and enforced by the binary-only VPN client. > > -- > Charles R. Anderson <cra(a)wpi.edu> / http://angus.ind.wpi.edu/~cra/ > PGP Key ID: 49BB5886 > Fingerprint: EBA3 A106 7C93 FA07 8E15 3AC2 C367 A0F9 49BB 5886 > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > >

Jan. 4, 2003

Re: [Wlug] vpn behind firewall

by Charles R. Anderson

On Fri, Jan 03, 2003 at 07:54:12PM -0500, Michael Long wrote: mlong> Now for my final issue. I have not been able to configure my cisco vpn mlong> to allow me access to my local lan when connected the vpn is running. mlong> This is proving to be most inconvenient because I do have a web server mlong> running that is accessable to the outside world. Unfortunately the mlong> webserver is unavailable when the vpn is activated. I am thinking that mlong> if I add a second nic card to the box and configure it properly that I mlong> should be able to have one card handle the webserver traffic and the mlong> other card will handle the vpn traffic. Does this seems like a sane mlong> configuration? If so can someone point me to documentation that will mlong> explain how to accomplish this. Maybe, maybe not. Most VPN software intentionally blocks access to other networks except thost reachable through the VPN for security reasons. This is known as disabling "Split Tunneling". If you can re-enable Split Tunneling, you would be able to access your local network without going through the VPN. Unfortunately, it is usually a setting controlled on the VPN server, and enforced by the binary-only VPN client. -- Charles R. Anderson <cra(a)wpi.edu> / http://angus.ind.wpi.edu/~cra/ PGP Key ID: 49BB5886 Fingerprint: EBA3 A106 7C93 FA07 8E15 3AC2 C367 A0F9 49BB 5886

Jan. 4, 2003

Re: [Wlug] vpn behind firewall

by Michael Long

I have gotten both vpn's coexisting nicely with each other. I can now connect to my desktop at work via vnc. It looks like I can now remove my windows partition...YEA! Now for my final issue. I have not been able to configure my cisco vpn to allow me access to my local lan when connected the vpn is running. This is proving to be most inconvenient because I do have a web server running that is accessable to the outside world. Unfortunately the webserver is unavailable when the vpn is activated. I am thinking that if I add a second nic card to the box and configure it properly that I should be able to have one card handle the webserver traffic and the other card will handle the vpn traffic. Does this seems like a sane configuration? If so can someone point me to documentation that will explain how to accomplish this. Thanks again, Mike > Well, my editor ate that one... Let's try this again. > > On Tue, Dec 24, 2002 at 05:58:15PM -0500, Michael Long wrote: > mlong> it if anyone could give me some clues or at least some intelligent > mlong> questions to ask so that I might make this thing work. It is sometimes > mlong> necessary to "help" the help desk in order that they can help you. :) > > "VPN" can mean many things... but usually it means a PPTP or IPsec > encrypted tunnel. IPsec uses port 500/udp for ISAKMP key exchange, and > IP Protocol number 50/51 for ESP/AH encryption/authentication (i.e., not > TCP or UDP). > > IPsec wasn't designed to work with the hack that is NAT (Network Address > Translation, Internet Connection Sharing), so if you are sharing one > real IP address to multiple computers with a Linksys, you can run into > issues. Basically, vendors like Linksys have hacked around the IPsec > limitation to make it sort of work through the NAT. Make sure you have > turned on the "IPsec passthrough" features of your router (NOT IPsec/VPN > endpoint). You should also look for an upgrade to the Linksys firmware > to see if it addresses your issue... It is hit-or-miss often times with > these SOHO routers. Good luck. > > mlong> Part 2: I am planning to fire up a vpn connection to my employer on > mlong> Thursday for the first time. Are there any issues running 2 vpn > mlong> connections behind a firewall. > > The IPsec through NAT hack I mentioned above usually only works with ONE > IPsec session at a time, so if both VPN's use IPsec, you may be out of > luck unless you take turns using the VPN software. On the other hand, > some vendors have figured out a way to allow multiple IPsec sessions to > work through NAT at once... > > It could be that one or both VPN's are using a technology other than > IPsec, in which case, the issues are completely different. PPTP usually > works fine through NAT, for example. There are other protocols as well, > which may or may not work through NAT. > > In addition, if they are using IPsec with a Nortel Networks Contivity > VPN switch on their end, it may have a feature called "NAT Traversal" > which wraps the entire IPsec flow in UDP packets (the administrator > chooses the port number, but Nortel recommends 10001/udp). If this is > the case, it might make sense to turn OFF any IPsec-passthrough features > of your router, so that the NAT Traversal kicks in. > > -- > Charles R. Anderson <cra(a)wpi.edu> / http://angus.ind.wpi.edu/~cra/ > PGP Key ID: 49BB5886 > Fingerprint: EBA3 A106 7C93 FA07 8E15 3AC2 C367 A0F9 49BB 5886 > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > >

Jan. 4, 2003

RE: [Wlug] HP workstation up for grabs (free)

by Doug Geiger

I'd be happy to take that off your hands - if it's still available. -- Doug Geiger runexe(a)bioradiation.net http://bioradiation.net/~runexe/ If you're crossing the nation in a covered wagon, it's better to have four strong oxen than 100 chickens. Chickens are OK but we can't make them work together yet. -- Ross Bott, Pyramid U.S., on multiprocessors at AUUGM '89. GNU Privacy Guard Fingerprint: E06F 00C8 50D3 19FC 6F6B 3F56 6B76 0762 DD37 4686 > -----Original Message----- > From: wlug-admin(a)mail.wlug.org > [mailto:wlug-admin@mail.wlug.org] On Behalf Of Mike Peckar > Sent: Friday, January 03, 2003 1:56 PM > To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > Subject: [Wlug] HP workstation up for grabs (free) > > > HP 9000/710 workstation > 32MB RAM > 50 Mhz CPU > 812MB disk (2x406) > 1024x768 graphics > 17" Monitor > Keyboard, mouse, but no CD and no RD > Was last running HP-UX 10.10 w/ CDE > > Also, looking for a halfway decent sparc - please contact me offline. > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > >

Jan. 3, 2003

HP workstation up for grabs (free)

by Mike Peckar

HP 9000/710 workstation 32MB RAM 50 Mhz CPU 812MB disk (2x406) 1024x768 graphics 17" Monitor Keyboard, mouse, but no CD and no RD Was last running HP-UX 10.10 w/ CDE Also, looking for a halfway decent sparc - please contact me offline.

Jan. 3, 2003

RE: [Wlug] Color matching scanned photos vs. printed output

by Skip Gaede

Hi Andy, I have just discovered that the GIMP can work with color profiles. See http://www.coloraid.de/, which was referenced at http://www.normankoren.com/color_management_3.html Norman Koren has a web site that discusses a lot of aspects of digital darkroom. To calibrate things, you need a printed color chart, an example of which is the IT8 target. I have seen them sold by Praxisoft for $70.00, but you can get the same chart from Germany for $10.00 US + $5.00 S&H. Check out SCARSE which is a Linux program for scanner profiles. HTH, Skip > -----Original Message----- > From: wlug-admin(a)mail.wlug.org [mailto:wlug-admin@mail.wlug.org]On > Behalf Of Andy Stewart > Sent: Friday, December 27, 2002 1:09 AM > To: Worcester Linux Users' Group > Subject: [Wlug] Color matching scanned photos vs. printed output > > > > Hi Everybody, > > I've been playing with my new toy, an Epson 1660 Photo > scanner, which works > very nicely with Linux. > > I have noticed that photos that I scan in and then print > don't look the same > as the original. I am using Xsane, Gimp-Print, and CUPS. If > it matters, the > photo is 4x6 inches, scanned at 400 DPI, and printed in 1440x720 high > quallity mode. The photo was originally printed from my 3 > Mpixel digital > camera (2160x1440 pixels), so I believe I've used a more than > sufficient DPI > when scanning. > > I suspect the problem is that neither the scanner nor the > printer is perfect, > and that the cumulative effects of the transfer functions (scanner to > computer to monitor to computer to printer) are causing this. > Its actually > worse if I let Xsane compensate for me with its automatic > adjustments of > gamma, brightness, and contrast. Adjusting the image on my > monitor screen > probably isn't going to help much since my monitor isn't > perfect, nor is > there any guarantee that I have it properly adjusted. > > Is there any good way, other than trial and error, to fix > this? Would > generating some simple test patterns help in making the > proper adjustments? > > Thanks, > > Andy > > -- > Andy Stewart, Founder > Worcester Linux Users' Group > Worcester, MA USA > http://www.wlug.org > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

Jan. 3, 2003

zaurus

by Wesley Allen

Hi gang, Well, I'm thinking about just going out and getting a zaurus for myself, I've seem them for around $330 as some places. Should I do this, or just convert my iPAQ as I planned? There are some features of the iPAQ that I like (like inviting attendees to meetings), but getting some sync-ability with Linux is just over the top for me.... Anyone get zaurus to sync with Evolution? Wes

Jan. 1, 2003

encyclopedia

by doug waud

Hi all I wonder whether I have found a gap in availability of applications for Linux :-( Specifically, I have been looking for a CD encyclopedia which will run on a Linux box (in particular a couple I set up for my two grandkids). Wine does not seem to provide a work-around both because it does not seem to be happy with any CD encyclopedia and because it would require buying Win* to get the CD stuff installed (and neither computer is worth as much as Win* would cost). I tried searching for Linux + Encyclopedia but that just gives me encyclopedias about Linux. A search for CD + Encyclopedia gave a reasonable list but none runs under Linux (as you might expect, all run under Wintel and a few on Macs). Does anyone know of a general CD encyclopedia that one can use with Linux? doug PS The grandkids take to the linux boxes quite naturally. I showed the older one how to type "lpr -Plp3 filename" to print a file. He later reported that he tried it on his brother's box but, since it was a second computer and Q comes after P and 4 comes after 3 he used -Plp4 (obvious isn't it:-) ) and it worked! :-)

Dec. 31, 2002

Web site down?

by Keller, Tim

At least from Stratus, I'm not getting any connectivity to www.wlug.org ... (actually I'm not sure that this email will get there either...) Tim.

Dec. 31, 2002

Re: [Wlug] vpn behind firewall

by Michael Long

I have gotten both vpn's coexisting nicely with each other. I can now connect to my desktop at work via vnc. It looks like I can now remove my windows partition...YEA! Now for my final issue. I have not been able to configure my cisco vpn to allow me access to my local lan when connected the vpn is running. This is proving to be most inconvenient because I do have a web server running that is accessable to the outside world. Unfortunately the webserver is unavailable when the vpn is activated. I am thinking that if I add a second nic card to the box and configure it properly that I should be able to have one card handle the webserver traffic and the other card will handle the vpn traffic. Does this seems like a sane configuration? If so can someone point me to documentation that will explain how to accomplish this. Thanks again, Mike > Well, my editor ate that one... Let's try this again. > > On Tue, Dec 24, 2002 at 05:58:15PM -0500, Michael Long wrote: > mlong> it if anyone could give me some clues or at least some intelligent > mlong> questions to ask so that I might make this thing work. It is sometimes > mlong> necessary to "help" the help desk in order that they can help you. :) > > "VPN" can mean many things... but usually it means a PPTP or IPsec > encrypted tunnel. IPsec uses port 500/udp for ISAKMP key exchange, and > IP Protocol number 50/51 for ESP/AH encryption/authentication (i.e., not > TCP or UDP). > > IPsec wasn't designed to work with the hack that is NAT (Network Address > Translation, Internet Connection Sharing), so if you are sharing one > real IP address to multiple computers with a Linksys, you can run into > issues. Basically, vendors like Linksys have hacked around the IPsec > limitation to make it sort of work through the NAT. Make sure you have > turned on the "IPsec passthrough" features of your router (NOT IPsec/VPN > endpoint). You should also look for an upgrade to the Linksys firmware > to see if it addresses your issue... It is hit-or-miss often times with > these SOHO routers. Good luck. > > mlong> Part 2: I am planning to fire up a vpn connection to my employer on > mlong> Thursday for the first time. Are there any issues running 2 vpn > mlong> connections behind a firewall. > > The IPsec through NAT hack I mentioned above usually only works with ONE > IPsec session at a time, so if both VPN's use IPsec, you may be out of > luck unless you take turns using the VPN software. On the other hand, > some vendors have figured out a way to allow multiple IPsec sessions to > work through NAT at once... > > It could be that one or both VPN's are using a technology other than > IPsec, in which case, the issues are completely different. PPTP usually > works fine through NAT, for example. There are other protocols as well, > which may or may not work through NAT. > > In addition, if they are using IPsec with a Nortel Networks Contivity > VPN switch on their end, it may have a feature called "NAT Traversal" > which wraps the entire IPsec flow in UDP packets (the administrator > chooses the port number, but Nortel recommends 10001/udp). If this is > the case, it might make sense to turn OFF any IPsec-passthrough features > of your router, so that the NAT Traversal kicks in. > > -- > Charles R. Anderson <cra(a)wpi.edu> / http://angus.ind.wpi.edu/~cra/ > PGP Key ID: 49BB5886 > Fingerprint: EBA3 A106 7C93 FA07 8E15 3AC2 C367 A0F9 49BB 5886 > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > >

Dec. 31, 2002

RE: Linux on a PPC chip

by Sands Fish

Thanx everyone for the advice on Linux for the PPC. I ended up going with Debian, and, guided by the advice of the installation docs that come with their dist. for PPC, I had a very successful (lacking sound, but i was told to expect that, besides it's a server) installation on the G4 Mac. Now, the only other tweak I have a burning desire to make to this box is to configure the kernel to use SMP for the dual 500Mhz processors. From what I've heard, it should only be using the first one right now, and that I have to rebuild the kernel with SMP support. Sound right? I would appreciate any tips or help on getting there, such as: -> how -> where to check to -know- that it's using one or both -> any other useful kernel info anything would be great really. thanx! - Sands <x>< __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com

Dec. 30, 2002

Re: [Wlug] Color matching scanned photos vs. printed output

by Sands Fish

Andy, I do quite a bit of photo work, using Photoshop on the Windows side of things for my art. I've found that each scanner has it's own constant way of skewing the image scanned. For example, on almost every image I scan on my HP 4100C, I first go and drop the Brightness by -10, and up the Contrast by +20 - +25. Since the Gimp is so closely aligned with Photoshop, I'm sure it is not hard to adjust these two characteristics of the image. Play with these to start with. I've seen drastic color improvements and dust/scratch removal just by up-ing the contrast. Maybe if you play with it across a few different images, you can find a few constant adjustments that can be made to each image, before you start getting picky and tweaking other things like Color Balance and such. Good luck! - Sands <x>< --- Andy Stewart <andystewart(a)attbi.com> wrote: > > Hi Everybody, > > I've been playing with my new toy, an Epson 1660 > Photo scanner, which works > very nicely with Linux. > > I have noticed that photos that I scan in and then > print don't look the same > as the original. I am using Xsane, Gimp-Print, and > CUPS. If it matters, the > photo is 4x6 inches, scanned at 400 DPI, and printed > in 1440x720 high > quallity mode. The photo was originally printed > from my 3 Mpixel digital > camera (2160x1440 pixels), so I believe I've used a > more than sufficient DPI > when scanning. > > I suspect the problem is that neither the scanner > nor the printer is perfect, > and that the cumulative effects of the transfer > functions (scanner to > computer to monitor to computer to printer) are > causing this. Its actually > worse if I let Xsane compensate for me with its > automatic adjustments of > gamma, brightness, and contrast. Adjusting the > image on my monitor screen > probably isn't going to help much since my monitor > isn't perfect, nor is > there any guarantee that I have it properly > adjusted. > > Is there any good way, other than trial and error, > to fix this? Would > generating some simple test patterns help in making > the proper adjustments? > > Thanks, > > Andy > > -- > Andy Stewart, Founder > Worcester Linux Users' Group > Worcester, MA USA > http://www.wlug.org > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com

Dec. 30, 2002

Toshiba Laptop?

by Wesley Allen

Hi gang, What's your collective opinion of Toshiba laptops? Circuit City has got a decent machine (Satellite 1415-s173) for $999 and they actually let me boot Knoppix on it to check out hardware support (everything worked). The only thing I'm wondering about is the battery. MY HP laptop doesn't let Linux read the battery info with either apm or acpi, and I think this is a function of an incredibly bad bios implementation. The demo models at Circuit City didn't have batteries, so I had no way of checking this bug out on that brand. Does anyone have experience with a Toshiba laptop that has an acpi bios? Can you relate your experience to me? Wes

Dec. 30, 2002

Notebooks...

by Wesley T Allen

Hi gang, Well, with the 0% financianing out there I'm seriously considering dumping my current notebook and taking all my Christmas cash to get a machine that works better with linux. I'm sick of this HP buggy BIOS that won't let linux read the thermal or battery data, even with acpi, so this'll go back to winXP for my wife, we'll dump the desktop completely, and I'll get the new machine. My question is, what's known to work with Linux. Are Toshiba's friendly? I'm not touching a compaq with a 10 foot pole, and does anyone have an HP laptop that is fully functional with linux? What about the latest Dells? Or even, gasp GATEWAY???? I checked out linux on laptops, but most of the models weren't even close so I figured I'd ask all of you... Wes

Dec. 30, 2002

No conflicts??

by Gregory Avedissian

Both my video card and the onboard sound card are assigned to IRQ11, in both windows and linux. Device Manager and KDE Control Center say that there's no conflict. Does this make sense? Thanks in advance, Greg

Dec. 27, 2002

Re: [Wlug] Color matching scanned photos vs. printed output

by Karl Hiramoto

On Fri, 27 Dec 2002, Andy Stewart wrote: > Is there any good way, other than trial and error, to fix this? Would > generating some simple test patterns help in making the proper adjustments? Trial and Error is what I've used with linux. Under Microshaft Windowz there are some Calibration tools that have come with my printer that U can use to calibrate the screen with the printer output. I've also had problems when using different types of paper. Ex. the picutre looks ok, using the el cheapo paper. Then i switch to the expensive glossy paper, and the colors look different. Is there any printer color calibration tool for linux out there? Good luck. -- ¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø Karl Hiramoto <karl(a)hiramoto.org> Work: 978-425-2090 ext 25 Cell: 508-517-4819 Personal web page: http://karl.hiramoto.org/ Freedom: http://www.technojihad.com/ Zoop Productions: http://www.zoop.org/ KTEQ Rapid City: http://www.kteq.org/ AOL IM ID = KarlH420 Yahoo_IM = karl_hiramoto ¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø It does not do to leave a live dragon out of your calculations.

Dec. 27, 2002

Color matching scanned photos vs. printed output

by Andy Stewart

Hi Everybody, I've been playing with my new toy, an Epson 1660 Photo scanner, which works very nicely with Linux. I have noticed that photos that I scan in and then print don't look the same as the original. I am using Xsane, Gimp-Print, and CUPS. If it matters, the photo is 4x6 inches, scanned at 400 DPI, and printed in 1440x720 high quallity mode. The photo was originally printed from my 3 Mpixel digital camera (2160x1440 pixels), so I believe I've used a more than sufficient DPI when scanning. I suspect the problem is that neither the scanner nor the printer is perfect, and that the cumulative effects of the transfer functions (scanner to computer to monitor to computer to printer) are causing this. Its actually worse if I let Xsane compensate for me with its automatic adjustments of gamma, brightness, and contrast. Adjusting the image on my monitor screen probably isn't going to help much since my monitor isn't perfect, nor is there any guarantee that I have it properly adjusted. Is there any good way, other than trial and error, to fix this? Would generating some simple test patterns help in making the proper adjustments? Thanks, Andy -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA USA http://www.wlug.org

Dec. 27, 2002

Re: [Wlug] vpn behind firewall

by Michael Long

Thanks Charles, Resolving the issue in part 1 concerning my wifes vpn was resolved by upgrading the linksys firmware. After the upgrade IPSec passthrough was turned off and everything works well. The next step is to get the vpn to my office working. Mike > Well, my editor ate that one... Let's try this again. > > On Tue, Dec 24, 2002 at 05:58:15PM -0500, Michael Long wrote: > mlong> it if anyone could give me some clues or at least some intelligent > mlong> questions to ask so that I might make this thing work. It is sometimes > mlong> necessary to "help" the help desk in order that they can help you. :) > > "VPN" can mean many things... but usually it means a PPTP or IPsec > encrypted tunnel. IPsec uses port 500/udp for ISAKMP key exchange, and > IP Protocol number 50/51 for ESP/AH encryption/authentication (i.e., not > TCP or UDP). > > IPsec wasn't designed to work with the hack that is NAT (Network Address > Translation, Internet Connection Sharing), so if you are sharing one > real IP address to multiple computers with a Linksys, you can run into > issues. Basically, vendors like Linksys have hacked around the IPsec > limitation to make it sort of work through the NAT. Make sure you have > turned on the "IPsec passthrough" features of your router (NOT IPsec/VPN > endpoint). You should also look for an upgrade to the Linksys firmware > to see if it addresses your issue... It is hit-or-miss often times with > these SOHO routers. Good luck. > > mlong> Part 2: I am planning to fire up a vpn connection to my employer on > mlong> Thursday for the first time. Are there any issues running 2 vpn > mlong> connections behind a firewall. > > The IPsec through NAT hack I mentioned above usually only works with ONE > IPsec session at a time, so if both VPN's use IPsec, you may be out of > luck unless you take turns using the VPN software. On the other hand, > some vendors have figured out a way to allow multiple IPsec sessions to > work through NAT at once... > > It could be that one or both VPN's are using a technology other than > IPsec, in which case, the issues are completely different. PPTP usually > works fine through NAT, for example. There are other protocols as well, > which may or may not work through NAT. > > In addition, if they are using IPsec with a Nortel Networks Contivity > VPN switch on their end, it may have a feature called "NAT Traversal" > which wraps the entire IPsec flow in UDP packets (the administrator > chooses the port number, but Nortel recommends 10001/udp). If this is > the case, it might make sense to turn OFF any IPsec-passthrough features > of your router, so that the NAT Traversal kicks in. > > -- > Charles R. Anderson <cra(a)wpi.edu> / http://angus.ind.wpi.edu/~cra/ > PGP Key ID: 49BB5886 > Fingerprint: EBA3 A106 7C93 FA07 8E15 3AC2 C367 A0F9 49BB 5886 > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > >

Dec. 26, 2002

Re: [Wlug] vpn behind firewall

by Charles R. Anderson

Well, my editor ate that one... Let's try this again. On Tue, Dec 24, 2002 at 05:58:15PM -0500, Michael Long wrote: mlong> it if anyone could give me some clues or at least some intelligent mlong> questions to ask so that I might make this thing work. It is sometimes mlong> necessary to "help" the help desk in order that they can help you. :) "VPN" can mean many things... but usually it means a PPTP or IPsec encrypted tunnel. IPsec uses port 500/udp for ISAKMP key exchange, and IP Protocol number 50/51 for ESP/AH encryption/authentication (i.e., not TCP or UDP). IPsec wasn't designed to work with the hack that is NAT (Network Address Translation, Internet Connection Sharing), so if you are sharing one real IP address to multiple computers with a Linksys, you can run into issues. Basically, vendors like Linksys have hacked around the IPsec limitation to make it sort of work through the NAT. Make sure you have turned on the "IPsec passthrough" features of your router (NOT IPsec/VPN endpoint). You should also look for an upgrade to the Linksys firmware to see if it addresses your issue... It is hit-or-miss often times with these SOHO routers. Good luck. mlong> Part 2: I am planning to fire up a vpn connection to my employer on mlong> Thursday for the first time. Are there any issues running 2 vpn mlong> connections behind a firewall. The IPsec through NAT hack I mentioned above usually only works with ONE IPsec session at a time, so if both VPN's use IPsec, you may be out of luck unless you take turns using the VPN software. On the other hand, some vendors have figured out a way to allow multiple IPsec sessions to work through NAT at once... It could be that one or both VPN's are using a technology other than IPsec, in which case, the issues are completely different. PPTP usually works fine through NAT, for example. There are other protocols as well, which may or may not work through NAT. In addition, if they are using IPsec with a Nortel Networks Contivity VPN switch on their end, it may have a feature called "NAT Traversal" which wraps the entire IPsec flow in UDP packets (the administrator chooses the port number, but Nortel recommends 10001/udp). If this is the case, it might make sense to turn OFF any IPsec-passthrough features of your router, so that the NAT Traversal kicks in. -- Charles R. Anderson <cra(a)wpi.edu> / http://angus.ind.wpi.edu/~cra/ PGP Key ID: 49BB5886 Fingerprint: EBA3 A106 7C93 FA07 8E15 3AC2 C367 A0F9 49BB 5886

Dec. 25, 2002

Re: [Wlug] vpn behind firewall

by Charles R. Anderson

On Tue, Dec 24, 2002 at 05:58:15PM -0500, Michael Long wrote: mlong> it if anyone could give me some clues or at least some intelligent mlong> questions to ask so that I might make this thing work. It is sometimes mlong> necessary to "help" the help desk in order that they can help you. :) "VPN" can mean many things... but usually it means a PPTP or IPsec encrypted tunnel. IPsec wasn't designed to work with the hack that is NAT (Network Address Translation, Internet Connection Sharing), so if you are sharing one real IP address with a Linksys o mlong> mlong> Part 2: I am planning to fire up a vpn connection to my employer on mlong> Thursday for the first time. Are there any issues running 2 vpn mlong> connections behind a firewall. mlong> mlong> Thanks, mlong> Mike mlong> mlong> _______________________________________________ mlong> Wlug mailing list mlong> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org mlong> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug -- Charles R. Anderson <cra(a)wpi.edu> / http://angus.ind.wpi.edu/~cra/ PGP Key ID: 49BB5886 Fingerprint: EBA3 A106 7C93 FA07 8E15 3AC2 C367 A0F9 49BB 5886

Dec. 25, 2002

vpn behind firewall

by Michael Long

Happy Holidays to all, I have a 2 part question concerning my particular use of vpns. I have a home network behind a Linksys firewall/router and am technically incompetent when it comes to vpn's. Part 1: The company my wife works for has upgraded her vpn software and it no longer plays well with firewalls at the client end. I have an appointment with her tech support Thursday morning but would appreciate it if anyone could give me some clues or at least some intelligent questions to ask so that I might make this thing work. It is sometimes necessary to "help" the help desk in order that they can help you. :) Part 2: I am planning to fire up a vpn connection to my employer on Thursday for the first time. Are there any issues running 2 vpn connections behind a firewall. Thanks, Mike

Dec. 24, 2002

Re: [Wlug] trusted user?

by Charles R. Anderson

On Tue, Dec 24, 2002 at 03:33:44PM -0500, Frank Sweetser wrote: fs> On Tue, Dec 24, 2002 at 07:49:18AM -0500, Bill Mills-Curran wrote: fs> > How do I control "trusted user" to allow regular user accounts access fs> > to things like the mailq command or reviewing system logs? fs> fs> sudo. It can specify which commands which users are allowed to run with fs> elevated privs. For more complex options, such as reading certain logs, fs> you'll probably want to write scripts/programs that do exactly what you want fs> to allow and allow sudo access to them. For log reading, why not just put the logs in a group? -- Charles R. Anderson <cra(a)wpi.edu> / http://angus.ind.wpi.edu/~cra/ PGP Key ID: 49BB5886 Fingerprint: EBA3 A106 7C93 FA07 8E15 3AC2 C367 A0F9 49BB 5886

Dec. 24, 2002

Re: [Wlug] X-server minutiae - Doh!

by Gregory Avedissian

If you run sax with the --auto option (I did), it wants a value for screen resolution, and it sets the color to 8-bit without asking. I ran it again, manually. 32-bit color looks much better. G. Gregory Avedissian wrote: > Now that I have X working again, some colors are different. The outline > box that appears when opening a window in fvwm2 has changed from yellow > to purple, which is nice because it's easier to see, but my cursor is > very pale gray. Anyone know how to change a cursor color? Am I nuts to > even think about messing with it? > > Greg > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > >

Dec. 24, 2002

Re: [Wlug] trusted user?

by Frank Sweetser

On Tue, Dec 24, 2002 at 07:49:18AM -0500, Bill Mills-Curran wrote: > How do I control "trusted user" to allow regular user accounts access > to things like the mailq command or reviewing system logs? sudo. It can specify which commands which users are allowed to run with elevated privs. For more complex options, such as reading certain logs, you'll probably want to write scripts/programs that do exactly what you want to allow and allow sudo access to them. -- Frank Sweetser fs at wpi.edu WPI Network Engineer

Dec. 24, 2002

trusted user?

by Bill Mills-Curran

How do I control "trusted user" to allow regular user accounts access to things like the mailq command or reviewing system logs? TIA, Bill

Dec. 24, 2002

Re: [Wlug] [redhat-announce-list-admin@redhat.com: Announcing a beta release of Red Hat Linux: Phoebe]

by Charles R. Anderson

On Mon, Dec 23, 2002 at 03:29:19PM -0500, Brian J. Conway wrote: bconway> No WindowMaker. =( NPTL and HTree-enabled ext3 look like they could be bconway> interesting, though. rpmbuild --rebuild WindowMaker*.src.rpm is your friend :) -- Charles R. Anderson <cra(a)wpi.edu> / http://angus.ind.wpi.edu/~cra/ PGP Key ID: 49BB5886 Fingerprint: EBA3 A106 7C93 FA07 8E15 3AC2 C367 A0F9 49BB 5886

Dec. 23, 2002

Re: [Wlug] [redhat-announce-list-admin@redhat.com: Announcing a beta release of Red Hat Linux: Phoebe]

by Brian J. Conway

> If anyone wants this and the mirrors are overloaded, you can get it > here: > > ftp://angus.ind.wpi.edu/pub/mirrors/redhat/linux/beta/phoebe/en No WindowMaker. =( NPTL and HTree-enabled ext3 look like they could be interesting, though. -b

Dec. 23, 2002

[redhat-announce-list-admin@redhat.com: Announcing a beta release of Red Hat Linux: Phoebe]

by Charles R. Anderson

If anyone wants this and the mirrors are overloaded, you can get it here: ftp://angus.ind.wpi.edu/pub/mirrors/redhat/linux/beta/phoebe/en ----- Forwarded message from redhat-announce-list-admin(a)redhat.com ----- From: redhat-announce-list-admin(a)redhat.com To: redhat-watch-list(a)redhat.com Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 08:07:33 -0500 Subject: Announcing a beta release of Red Hat Linux: Phoebe Reply-To: redhat-announce-list(a)redhat.com Precedence: bulk X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=10.0 tests=NO_REAL_NAME version=2.31 X-Spam-Level: "You know, Chandler, you being here is the best gift I could ask for Christmas." "Aww. Thanks Pheebs." "Ok, now where's my real present?" Red Hat, Inc. has a holiday gift for you - PHOEBE, a new beta release of Red Hat Linux. PHOEBE is 6 CDs of software (3 binary, 3 source), including, among other things: - the latest in bleeding-edge desktop and XFree86 technology - Mozilla 1.2.1, with Xft antialiased fonts - glibc-2.3.1, with the new Native POSIX Thread Library (NPTL), for performant and scalable threading PHOEBE is, of course, not intended for use on mission critical or other production systems. As always, we do not recommend the use of beta software on mission critical or production systems. In fact, we may laugh at those who try. Problems with PHOEBE should be reported via bugzilla, at: http://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla PHOEBE can be found at redhat.com. 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Dec. 23, 2002

X-server minutiae

by Gregory Avedissian

Now that I have X working again, some colors are different. The outline box that appears when opening a window in fvwm2 has changed from yellow to purple, which is nice because it's easier to see, but my cursor is very pale gray. Anyone know how to change a cursor color? Am I nuts to even think about messing with it? Greg

Dec. 23, 2002

Re: [Wlug] kernel saga continues

by Gregory Avedissian

Someone must have been sending me telepathic messages. I finally thought to check sax --help, and I was able to get it to run using switches for hsync, vsync, and X-server, and it worked. In fact, I think the screen looks better than it did before. Xfree 4.0 doesn't appear to be on the 7.2 disks. There's a 4.0 glx driver, and there's glx-devel package, but no basic package. Anyway, it's working. Thanks. Greg avedis(a)rcn.com wrote: > Hi Andy, > > Here's my hardware: > 1.2GHz Athlon on a Spacewalker AK12A motherboard > ELSA GLoria-L vid card (16MB), which has S3virge chip with Glint > 500TX, and uses the 3DLabs driver. > > At some point last year, I thought I installed XFree 4.1 and got the > 3DLabs driver. That's what my notes say. But 3.3.6 was running. If > I can install 4.0 from the disks, I'll try it. Every time I've run sax, > most of it runs off-screen, and I can't use it. That might be where I > screwed up yesterday, by hitting Enter when I shouldn't have. > > Thanks, > Greg > > > > On 22 Dec 2002, at 22:34, Andy Stewart wrote: > > >>HI Greg, >> >>On SuSE, they supply version 3.3.6 and 4.0.x of XFree86. Most of the time, >>you want to run version 4.0, but if you have "vintage" video hardware, you're >>better off with version 3.3.6 in my opinion. >> >>To configure XFree86 on SuSE, you should be running sax (for XFree86 version >>3.3.6) or sax2 (for XFree86 version 4.0). >> >>If you look at your log (below), you'll note that for some reason, you're >>running XFreee86 version 3.3.6. Just what do you have for video hardware? >> >>I've found on SuSE that you're generally better off if you let YaST do the >>"dirty work" for you. >> >>Later, >> >>Andy >> >> >> >> >>On Sunday 22 December 2002 6:36 pm, avedis(a)rcn.com wrote: >> >>>Here's the error message I get when I try to run startx: >>> >>>XFree86 Version 3.3.6 / X Window System >>>(protocol Version 11, revision 0, vendor release 6300) >>>Release Date: January 8 2000 >>> If the server is older than 6-12 months, or if your card is newer >>> than the above date, look for a newer version before reporting >>> problems. (see http://www.XFree86.Org/FAQ) >>>Operating System: Linux 2.4.4-64GB-SMP i686 [ELF] SuSE >>>Configured drivers: >>> GLINT: accelerated server for 3DLabs GLINT graphics adapters >>>(Patchlevel 0) >>>(using VT number 7) >>> >>>XF86Config: /etc/XF86Config >>>(**) stands for supplied, (--) stands for probed/default values >>>(--) no ModulePath specified using default: /usr/X11R6/lib/modules >>>dbe: Unknown error loading module >>> >>>Config Error: /etc/XF86Config:48 >> >>-- >>Andy Stewart, Founder >>Worcester Linux Users' Group >>Worcester, MA USA >>http://www.wlug.org >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Wlug mailing list >>Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >>http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >> > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > >

Dec. 23, 2002

RE: [Wlug] Linux top gun

by Brett Russ

> Its a competition > where teams take turns attacking and defending a linux server. This sounds similar to (but not the same as) the Honeynet project challenges: http://project.honeynet.org/misc/chall.html

Dec. 23, 2002

Re: [Wlug] kernel saga continues

by avedis＠rcn.com

Hi Andy, Here's my hardware: 1.2GHz Athlon on a Spacewalker AK12A motherboard ELSA GLoria-L vid card (16MB), which has S3virge chip with Glint 500TX, and uses the 3DLabs driver. At some point last year, I thought I installed XFree 4.1 and got the 3DLabs driver. That's what my notes say. But 3.3.6 was running. If I can install 4.0 from the disks, I'll try it. Every time I've run sax, most of it runs off-screen, and I can't use it. That might be where I screwed up yesterday, by hitting Enter when I shouldn't have. Thanks, Greg On 22 Dec 2002, at 22:34, Andy Stewart wrote: > > HI Greg, > > On SuSE, they supply version 3.3.6 and 4.0.x of XFree86. Most of the time, > you want to run version 4.0, but if you have "vintage" video hardware, you're > better off with version 3.3.6 in my opinion. > > To configure XFree86 on SuSE, you should be running sax (for XFree86 version > 3.3.6) or sax2 (for XFree86 version 4.0). > > If you look at your log (below), you'll note that for some reason, you're > running XFreee86 version 3.3.6. Just what do you have for video hardware? > > I've found on SuSE that you're generally better off if you let YaST do the > "dirty work" for you. > > Later, > > Andy > > > > > On Sunday 22 December 2002 6:36 pm, avedis(a)rcn.com wrote: > > Here's the error message I get when I try to run startx: > > > > XFree86 Version 3.3.6 / X Window System > > (protocol Version 11, revision 0, vendor release 6300) > > Release Date: January 8 2000 > > If the server is older than 6-12 months, or if your card is newer > > than the above date, look for a newer version before reporting > > problems. (see http://www.XFree86.Org/FAQ) > > Operating System: Linux 2.4.4-64GB-SMP i686 [ELF] SuSE > > Configured drivers: > > GLINT: accelerated server for 3DLabs GLINT graphics adapters > > (Patchlevel 0) > > (using VT number 7) > > > > XF86Config: /etc/XF86Config > > (**) stands for supplied, (--) stands for probed/default values > > (--) no ModulePath specified using default: /usr/X11R6/lib/modules > > dbe: Unknown error loading module > > > > Config Error: /etc/XF86Config:48 > > -- > Andy Stewart, Founder > Worcester Linux Users' Group > Worcester, MA USA > http://www.wlug.org > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

Dec. 23, 2002

Re: [Wlug] Linux too much like windows?

by Bill Smith

On Sun, 22 Dec 2002 18:50:09 -0500 Chuck Haines <chaines(a)linux-xtreme.net> wrote: CH> I found this article while reading my daily dose of slashdot. It CH> brings some questions to mind. Is linux becoming too much like CH> windows? in some ways, i agree, but i don't think that it is becoming Bad... Win* operating systems seem to suffer from a disease in which the programs are designed (i use the term loosely. very loosely.) to do as much as possible. Compare this with the *nix approach, where most applications do one thing and do it well. The desktop issue is another problem entirely. I believe that the underlying operating system cannot (nor should it) be blamed for the perception of "Difficult to Use". That responsibility lies with the programmer(s) that writes the applications and the desktop interface. For example, The Gimp seems (to me) very much like Photoshop, which Win* users are familiar with. People that like Photoshop shouldn't have too much trouble with Gimp, but that is not something that one can attribute to the OS. The OS allows stability in the environment... If the interface is well designed, the End User should (theoretically) be able to figure things out for themselves. CH> Does it need to in order to compete in the desktop CH> business? One of my friends was commenting that for servers, linux CH> is the best, however it just loses when it comes to the desktop CH> market. What do you guys think about that? I'm not a gamer and CH> primarily do systems administration work as well as php development CH> and I love my redhat 8.0 with gnome2. What do others out there feel? for some reason, many people think that an OS has to have a lot of games to be a viable desktop system. Linux has a lot of games, but the nature of the OS doesn't lend itself very well (i think) to the variety of systems that Gamers have. Games that are graphic intensive (what isn't these days?!?) like to have the Latest-n-Greatest hardware... 8\ There are all sorts of variables that i don't know anything about, but i think that a lot of lessons can be learned from the way Apple does their interface. whether you like it or not, you can't argue the fact that almost anyone can sit down at a Mac and do things. those same people sit down in front of a system running X and they freak out.... -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- William Smith wsmith-at-chezsmith-dot-com Fall River, MA http://www.chezsmith.com Random BOFH excuse: We have chosen COBOL as the language of choice. * TAG! v3.1 *

Dec. 23, 2002

Re: [Wlug] kernel saga continues

by Andy Stewart

HI Greg, On SuSE, they supply version 3.3.6 and 4.0.x of XFree86. Most of the time, you want to run version 4.0, but if you have "vintage" video hardware, you're better off with version 3.3.6 in my opinion. To configure XFree86 on SuSE, you should be running sax (for XFree86 version 3.3.6) or sax2 (for XFree86 version 4.0). If you look at your log (below), you'll note that for some reason, you're running XFreee86 version 3.3.6. Just what do you have for video hardware? I've found on SuSE that you're generally better off if you let YaST do the "dirty work" for you. Later, Andy On Sunday 22 December 2002 6:36 pm, avedis(a)rcn.com wrote: > Here's the error message I get when I try to run startx: > > XFree86 Version 3.3.6 / X Window System > (protocol Version 11, revision 0, vendor release 6300) > Release Date: January 8 2000 > If the server is older than 6-12 months, or if your card is newer > than the above date, look for a newer version before reporting > problems. (see http://www.XFree86.Org/FAQ) > Operating System: Linux 2.4.4-64GB-SMP i686 [ELF] SuSE > Configured drivers: > GLINT: accelerated server for 3DLabs GLINT graphics adapters > (Patchlevel 0) > (using VT number 7) > > XF86Config: /etc/XF86Config > (**) stands for supplied, (--) stands for probed/default values > (--) no ModulePath specified using default: /usr/X11R6/lib/modules > dbe: Unknown error loading module > > Config Error: /etc/XF86Config:48 -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA USA http://www.wlug.org

Dec. 23, 2002

Linux top gun

by Chuck Haines

I just saw this article and thought to myself, "wouldn't this be something interesting for WLUG and WPILA to put on." Its a competition where teams take turns attacking and defending a linux server. This particular server happens to be running apache, but it could be anything really. I think this would be a neat little event to run. What does everyone else think? The URL for reference is: http://linuxtopgun.org/ -- --------------------------------------------------------- | Chuck Haines | AIM: CyberGrex | | chaines(a)wpi.edu | Yahoo: CyberGrex_27 | | http://www.linux-xtreme.net | ICQ: 3707881 | --------------------------------------------------------- | ECE Sytems Administrator | Box 1531 | | WPILA Lab Manager | 100 Institute Road | | GDC Developer | Worcester, MA 01609 | | Tau Kappa Epsilon Fraternity | | --------------------------------------------------------- GNU Privacy Guard Key Fingerprint E12E 09BE 14B2 4AA4 EA36 27EB 72A4 FDDD 8E3E 741D

Dec. 22, 2002

Linux too much like windows?

by Chuck Haines

I found this article while reading my daily dose of slashdot. It brings some questions to mind. Is linux becoming too much like windows? Does it need to in order to compete in the desktop business? One of my friends was commenting that for servers, linux is the best, however it just loses when it comes to the desktop market. What do you guys think about that? I'm not a gamer and primarily do systems administration work as well as php development and I love my redhat 8.0 with gnome2. What do others out there feel? Just my thoughts, -- --------------------------------------------------------- | Chuck Haines | AIM: CyberGrex | | chaines(a)wpi.edu | Yahoo: CyberGrex_27 | | http://www.linux-xtreme.net | ICQ: 3707881 | --------------------------------------------------------- | ECE Sytems Administrator | Box 1531 | | WPILA Lab Manager | 100 Institute Road | | GDC Developer | Worcester, MA 01609 | | Tau Kappa Epsilon Fraternity | | --------------------------------------------------------- GNU Privacy Guard Key Fingerprint E12E 09BE 14B2 4AA4 EA36 27EB 72A4 FDDD 8E3E 741D

Dec. 22, 2002

Re: [Wlug] kernel saga continues

by avedis＠rcn.com

Here's the error message I get when I try to run startx: XFree86 Version 3.3.6 / X Window System (protocol Version 11, revision 0, vendor release 6300) Release Date: January 8 2000 If the server is older than 6-12 months, or if your card is newer than the above date, look for a newer version before reporting problems. (see http://www.XFree86.Org/FAQ) Operating System: Linux 2.4.4-64GB-SMP i686 [ELF] SuSE Configured drivers: GLINT: accelerated server for 3DLabs GLINT graphics adapters (Patchlevel 0) (using VT number 7) XF86Config: /etc/XF86Config (**) stands for supplied, (--) stands for probed/default values (--) no ModulePath specified using default: /usr/X11R6/lib/modules dbe: Unknown error loading module Config Error: /etc/XF86Config:48 SubSection "extmod" ^^^^^^^^^^^ Module section keyword expected XIO: fatal IO error 104 (Connection reset by peer) on X server ":0.0" after 0 requests (0 known processed) with 0 events remaining. On 22 Dec 2002, at 12:05, avedis(a)rcn.com wrote: > I managed to get my online connection working again. Just had to > change "ippp0" to "ppp0" in my firewall config file. I was also able > to make a lilo boot floppy from command line, and it worked, exept > for my initial menu. I rebooted back and forth a few times between > the two floppies, and they both seemed to be working, and then > when I went into x-session, I had no mouse. > > WTF??? Why did I lose kernel support for other stuff when all I > messed with was "sound"? > > Then I made the mistake of going into XF86Setup. Now, I can't get > into x at all. > > Questions > 1. Can anyone tell me where the problem is? (other than "user") > > 2. Is there someplace in make xconfig or make menuconfig to > provide support for xfree? At one point, I got an error message > about not being able to load a module when trying to get into x. > > 3. Would it make sense to go back to the distribution disks, > remove and re-insall xfree? > > Thanks. > > Greg > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

Dec. 22, 2002

kernel saga continues

by avedis＠rcn.com

I managed to get my online connection working again. Just had to change "ippp0" to "ppp0" in my firewall config file. I was also able to make a lilo boot floppy from command line, and it worked, exept for my initial menu. I rebooted back and forth a few times between the two floppies, and they both seemed to be working, and then when I went into x-session, I had no mouse. WTF??? Why did I lose kernel support for other stuff when all I messed with was "sound"? Then I made the mistake of going into XF86Setup. Now, I can't get into x at all. Questions 1. Can anyone tell me where the problem is? (other than "user") 2. Is there someplace in make xconfig or make menuconfig to provide support for xfree? At one point, I got an error message about not being able to load a module when trying to get into x. 3. Would it make sense to go back to the distribution disks, remove and re-insall xfree? Thanks. Greg

Dec. 22, 2002

kernel - Help!

by avedis＠rcn.com

I'm in windows right now, which is where I automatically boot to if I don't use the floppy. I only get a choice of boots with floppy. Tried recompiling the kernel with sound, added the lbn32(?) line to /etc/lilo and the cylinder error went away, but somehow I lost support for ipchains and lost the suse firewall. Also lost support for vfat. I went back into make xconfig and started messing around with ppp support, vfat and dos support. Got my vfat back ok. Also had to go in and re-edit /etc/rc.config and /etc/rc.config.d/firewall- somethingorother.config. I think I need to review my selections in those files. At first, I could dialup and as soon as it would connect, it would disconnect, and pppd would give error message 4, no support for ppp in kernel. I went back in and selected netfilter with ipchains support, and ppp with async support. Now it will connect and stay connected, but I can't send or receive anything (mail or web). Oh, and I removed the sound support from the kernel, but I'm still getting error messages about trying to load the sound modules. Let me know if I did something obvious. Meanwhile, I'll review what I did. Thanks, Greg

Dec. 22, 2002

Re: [Wlug] "LN" question

by Bill Mills-Curran

On Sat, 21 Dec 2002, Michael LaPointe wrote: > My original site had all of the images in an images directory. To > avoid copying all of the images to each new sub domain/directory I > created an images directory for each sub directory and ran ln *.* > /path/to/sub/images from within the real images directory. > > This worked great but is it only a one shot deal? I.E. if I add > another image to the main directory do I need to run ln again? Michael, What you have created in each directory is an images directory populated with links. As you supposed, each time you add something to the "real" images directory, you have to add links to it everywhere. Here's a more efficient approach. 1) get rid of all these directories of links and 2) in each site directory, make single link to the "real" images directory (not to the images themselves). For example, cd <site_directory> ln -s <path_to_images_directory> images That's it. You won't have to worry about maintaining links to the individual files. Hope this helps. Bill

Dec. 21, 2002

[Off-Topic] Free Software Consortium in search of Consultants and Agents in your area.

by Consorcio Software Libre

We would like to invite you to be a founding members of the FSC either as a Consultant and/or an Agent. http://www.fsconsortium.com On the main page you will find links to subscribe as consultant and/or agent. Free Software Consortium is a multinational consortium established to link the companies and the independent consultants that use and promote free software. One of the bigger obstacles to the development of the free software services market is the fear of many companies to establish contracts with independent consultants who do not have support of a well known Company, Corporation or Consortium. Questioning quality, support, experience and capability to successfully complete a project are the companies manager's main concerns when considering the option of migrating their systems to free software. Like you, we know the excellent quality that Free Software offers. We have complete confidence that Free Software is going to be the platform of the future. That is why it's so important to work and consolidate together to solve the problem mentioned above. Free Software Consortium intends to fill this void joining the best free software companies and consultants at the national and international level. By joining to Free Software Consortium you or your company will have the following benefits: 1. Possibility of being hired by other Consortium members. 2. Possibility of hiring other Consortium members. 3. Use of the Consortium image and name with your clients. 4. Use of the Consortium's resources like Publicity Brochures, Business Cards, Banners for presentations and events, financial presentations, publicity articles for the press and magazines, support via mailing list and forums with the Consortium's members, marketing and communication assistance, CD's and manuals from the Consortium, site and mail hosting (yourarea.fsc.cc) and other future services. 5. Representation of the FS Consortium in your area to share administrative, legal and marketing resources between the Consultant members in your area. Free Software Consortium will establish a contract with an Agent company which will have exclusive representation in it's area, in charge of organizing the consultants in the area. This Agent company will provide the administrative services, marketing and sales with the local customers.

Dec. 21, 2002

"LN" question

by Michael LaPointe

I just recently upgraded my hosting plan to include sub domains, shell access and a few other goodies. My original site had all of the images in an images directory. To avoid copying all of the images to each new sub domain/directory I created an images directory for each sub directory and ran ln *.* /path/to/sub/images from within the real images directory. This worked great but is it only a one shot deal? I.E. if I add another image to the main directory do I need to run ln again? Server is FreeBSD 4.7 with Apache/1.3.27 I didnt try hard linking the directories since my books say that you need to be root to do so but I think that is what I really needed. Thank you, ~ Michael LaPointe

Dec. 21, 2002

Re: [Wlug] kernel questions

by Charles R. Anderson

On Sat, Dec 21, 2002 at 11:52:21AM -0500, Gregory Avedissian wrote: avedis> 1. I get errors on this, because I'm above cylinder 1023 on my dual-boot avedis> drive. I boot linux from floppy with lilo. Error message suggests using avedis> lba32 option, but it doesn't say where or how to use it. How do I get avedis> around this? /etc/lilo.conf, put lba32 on a line by itself (like right below the boot = line). Remove any "linear" line you see at the same time. Then rerun "/sbin/lilo". Then you may be able to boot using lilo on the hard drive instead of using a floppy (if your BIOS is new enough). avedis> 2. Instructions say next to install the kernel. Is that done by typing avedis> make install? In addition to the make install that comes after make avedis> modules? (see below) make install does work with recent kernels, yes. It should put the kernel into /boot for you. You might or might not still need to create an initial ramdisk with the "mkinitrd" command... You also will probably have to add an entry to /etc/lilo.conf and rerun /sbin/lilo. -- Charles R. Anderson <cra(a)wpi.edu> / http://angus.ind.wpi.edu/~cra/ PGP Key ID: 49BB5886 Fingerprint: EBA3 A106 7C93 FA07 8E15 3AC2 C367 A0F9 49BB 5886

Dec. 21, 2002

RE: [Wlug] kernel questions

by Skip Gaede

Hi Greg, > -----Original Message----- > From: wlug-admin(a)mail.wlug.org [mailto:wlug-admin@mail.wlug.org]On > Behalf Of Gregory Avedissian > Sent: Saturday, December 21, 2002 11:52 AM > To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > Subject: [Wlug] kernel questions > > > I'm trying to get oss sound modules compiled into kernel. > make xconfig was easy enough to get through. > instructions say to then make dep and make bzImage or bzlilo. > 1. I get errors on this, because I'm above cylinder 1023 on > my dual-boot > drive. I boot linux from floppy with lilo. Error message > suggests using > lba32 option, but it doesn't say where or how to use it. How do I get > around this? The best option would be to shrink your primary partition by a few MB, leaving room to create a small primary partition for the Linux /boot partiition. You can easily do this with Partition Magic. ---------------------- Primary | ext2 | /boot ---------------------- Primary | FAT or NTFS or ??? ---------------------- Extended| swap ---------------------- Extended| ext2 or ext3 | / ---------------------- other partitions as desired... > > 2. Instructions say next to install the kernel. Is that done > by typing > make install? In addition to the make install that comes after make > modules? (see below) No, you need to copy the arch/i386/boot/bzImage --> /boot/<some unique name> and then add an entry to /etc/lilo.conf or /boot/grub/menu.lst. If you are using lilo, you then need to install the new boot sector by typing lilo. > > 3. I haven't been able to create a lilo boot disk for awhile. > I'm using > Yast2 to configure boot mode, and it keeps telling me that my > floppy is > write protected and it can't access the boot sector. I've tried this > with new floppies that have been formated with fdformat /dev/fd0. You shouldn't need to format it first, and the disk should not be mounted. Refer to help on www.tldp.org on how to make a boot disk. > > Thanks for any insight. > > Here are the instructions I'm looking at: > > 1. To make the kernel sound modules, cd to your /usr/src/linux > > directory (typically) and type make config, make menuconfig, > > or make xconfig (to start the command line, dialog, or x-based > > configuration tool). > > > > 2. Select the Sound option and a dialog will be displayed. > > > > 3. Select M (module) for "Sound card support". > > > > 4. Select your sound driver(s) as a module. For ProAudio, Sound > > Blaster, etc., select M (module) for OSS sound modules. > > [thanks to Marvin Stodolsky <stodolsk(a)erols.com>]A > > > > 5. Make the kernel (e.g., make dep ; make bzImage), and install > > the kernel. > > > > 6. Make the modules and install them (make modules; make > modules_install). > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

Dec. 21, 2002

kernel questions

by Gregory Avedissian

I'm trying to get oss sound modules compiled into kernel. make xconfig was easy enough to get through. instructions say to then make dep and make bzImage or bzlilo. 1. I get errors on this, because I'm above cylinder 1023 on my dual-boot drive. I boot linux from floppy with lilo. Error message suggests using lba32 option, but it doesn't say where or how to use it. How do I get around this? 2. Instructions say next to install the kernel. Is that done by typing make install? In addition to the make install that comes after make modules? (see below) 3. I haven't been able to create a lilo boot disk for awhile. I'm using Yast2 to configure boot mode, and it keeps telling me that my floppy is write protected and it can't access the boot sector. I've tried this with new floppies that have been formated with fdformat /dev/fd0. Thanks for any insight. Here are the instructions I'm looking at: > 1. To make the kernel sound modules, cd to your /usr/src/linux > directory (typically) and type make config, make menuconfig, > or make xconfig (to start the command line, dialog, or x-based > configuration tool). > > 2. Select the Sound option and a dialog will be displayed. > > 3. Select M (module) for "Sound card support". > > 4. Select your sound driver(s) as a module. For ProAudio, Sound > Blaster, etc., select M (module) for OSS sound modules. > [thanks to Marvin Stodolsky <stodolsk(a)erols.com>]A > > 5. Make the kernel (e.g., make dep ; make bzImage), and install > the kernel. > > 6. Make the modules and install them (make modules; make modules_install).

Dec. 21, 2002

Re: [Wlug] The Package Chase

by Andy Stewart

On Friday 20 December 2002 9:25 pm, Gregory Avedissian wrote: > OK, I've been going along merrily with my SuSE 7.2 for about a year, and > I just now ran into a problem that a lot of you folks must know all too > well. Install a new program and it calls for a package you don't have. > You've all seen the lists, I'm sure. > > I'm trying to install ecawave and ALSA 0.9, and I've had to install some > gtk and gnome stuff, and I went to look at upgrading the whole gnome > package. There's a list of more than 50 things to compile, and they must > be done in the correct order. Do people actually do that? Is there any > advantage of doing that over upgrading the whole distribution? HI Greg, It might be easier to find a more recent SuSE CD and upgrade just the packages about which you care. You could probably download them, but that may be slow and cumbersome given the number of packages you describe. If its just one or two packages, I'll "do it the hard way" and download the package and upgrade it. On occasion, it turns into a rat's nest of dependencies, but typically not. Later, Andy -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA USA http://www.wlug.org

Dec. 21, 2002

The Package Chase

by Gregory Avedissian

OK, I've been going along merrily with my SuSE 7.2 for about a year, and I just now ran into a problem that a lot of you folks must know all too well. Install a new program and it calls for a package you don't have. You've all seen the lists, I'm sure. I'm trying to install ecawave and ALSA 0.9, and I've had to install some gtk and gnome stuff, and I went to look at upgrading the whole gnome package. There's a list of more than 50 things to compile, and they must be done in the correct order. Do people actually do that? Is there any advantage of doing that over upgrading the whole distribution?

Dec. 21, 2002

Re: [Wlug] bioswriter

by Wes Allen

This is what I was afraid of. Oh well, maybe one of the freeBIOS' will come along and I can try flashing this thing out of existence (if my chip is supported, that is...). Wes On Thursday 19 December 2002 10:13 pm, Skip Gaede wrote: > Wes, > > The location in BIOS for the PNP setting is not cast in concrete. > Unless you know which bit does the job, it is pretty hard to > figure it out. > > When you do figure it out, each block of 16 bytes (I think) includes > a checksum. so in addition to changing the bit, you'll also need to > change the checksum. > > --Skip > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: wlug-admin(a)mail.wlug.org [mailto:wlug-admin@mail.wlug.org]On > > Behalf Of Wes Allen > > Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2002 5:19 PM > > To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > Subject: [Wlug] bioswriter > > > > > > Has anyone ever used bioswriter or a similar utility to get > > your bios settings > > from CMOS? I'm trying to read it with bioswriter with little > > success as I'm > > not sure what to do with the image file. > > > > I'm wondering there is a way to hack this bios to let me turn > > "plug and play > > os" off, as I'm fairly certain it's on by default and the > > given interface is > > pretty limited. > > > > Or am I breaking the law to edit my bios settings.... on the > > computer I OWN. > > > > Wes > > -- > > ------ > > This message may be signed using GPG, for my public key please > > send me a message with "Key Request" in the subject line. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wlug mailing list > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug -- ------ This message may be signed using GPG, for my public key please send me a message with "Key Request" in the subject line.

Dec. 20, 2002

RE: [Wlug] bioswriter

by Skip Gaede

Wes, The location in BIOS for the PNP setting is not cast in concrete. Unless you know which bit does the job, it is pretty hard to figure it out. When you do figure it out, each block of 16 bytes (I think) includes a checksum. so in addition to changing the bit, you'll also need to change the checksum. --Skip > -----Original Message----- > From: wlug-admin(a)mail.wlug.org [mailto:wlug-admin@mail.wlug.org]On > Behalf Of Wes Allen > Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2002 5:19 PM > To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > Subject: [Wlug] bioswriter > > > Has anyone ever used bioswriter or a similar utility to get > your bios settings > from CMOS? I'm trying to read it with bioswriter with little > success as I'm > not sure what to do with the image file. > > I'm wondering there is a way to hack this bios to let me turn > "plug and play > os" off, as I'm fairly certain it's on by default and the > given interface is > pretty limited. > > Or am I breaking the law to edit my bios settings.... on the > computer I OWN. > > Wes > -- > ------ > This message may be signed using GPG, for my public key please > send me a message with "Key Request" in the subject line. > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

Dec. 20, 2002

recording in linux

by Gregory Avedissian

Someone asked about recording under linux recently, and I recall that several of us said we'd never been able to do it. I just did it. In alsamixer, space bar sets the channel you want to use for capture. (line in is a reasonable choice) Had to manually edit /etc/asound.conf to turn on the input gain and set the level to 10,10. It looks like this: element("Input Gain Switch",0,101,Switch2(on)) ; Voice 0 : Min 0 Max 15 ; Voice 1 : Min 0 Max 15 element("Input Gain Volume",0,200,Volume1(10,10))

Dec. 20, 2002

bioswriter

by Wes Allen

Has anyone ever used bioswriter or a similar utility to get your bios settings from CMOS? I'm trying to read it with bioswriter with little success as I'm not sure what to do with the image file. I'm wondering there is a way to hack this bios to let me turn "plug and play os" off, as I'm fairly certain it's on by default and the given interface is pretty limited. Or am I breaking the law to edit my bios settings.... on the computer I OWN. Wes -- ------ This message may be signed using GPG, for my public key please send me a message with "Key Request" in the subject line.

Dec. 19, 2002

RE: [Wlug] Cross Compile Question

by Scott Venier

Depends on the language... if it's C, yes. if it's C++, no way. Scott On Thu, 19 Dec 2002, Marc Hughes wrote: > If I compile some source files with gcc2.x and some with gcc3.x, can I > link the object files together? > > -Marc > > -----Original Message----- > From: wlug-admin(a)mail.wlug.org [mailto:wlug-admin@mail.wlug.org] On > Behalf Of Skip Gaede > Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2002 12:23 PM > To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > Subject: RE: [Wlug] Cross Compile Question > > > I recently saw that the GCC 3.x compiler isn't cross compile friendly. > Try using GCC 2.95.3. > > --Skip > > -----Original Message----- > > From: wlug-admin(a)mail.wlug.org [mailto:wlug-admin@mail.wlug.org]On > > Behalf Of Marc Hughes > > Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2002 11:45 AM > > To: wlug(a)wlug.org > > Subject: [Wlug] Cross Compile Question > > > > > > I'm trying to make a cross-compiler on an i386 linux box to a > > ppc darwin > > (OSX) box. I downloaded binutils, configured them with > > ./configure --target=powerpc-apple --prefix=/usr/local > > Build them, and installed them. > > > > Then I went and got gcc (with g++), configured it with: ./configure > > --target=powerpc-apple-darwin --prefix=/usr/local > > > > I also made a symlink from /usr/local/powerpc-apple -> > > /usr/local/powerpc-apple-darwin since it seemed to fix a problem in > > the gcc compile. > > > > When I try to build gcc, it goes for a minute or so, and then > > I get this > > towards the end: > > > > libbackend.a(varasm.o): In function `assemble_alias': > > /data/hughesm/tmp/gcc-3.1/gcc/varasm.c:5184: undefined reference to > > `ASM_OUTPUT_DEF' > > collect2: ld returned 1 exit status > > make[1]: *** [cc1] Error 1 > > make[1]: Leaving directory `/data/hughesm/tmp/gcc-3.1/gcc' > > make: *** [all-gcc] Error 2 > > > > I'm not really asking for the exact cause of the error... I'm just > > trying to figure out if I'm even going about this the correct way. > > The documentation on cross compiling is a bit sparse. It seems odd to > > > me that the targets don't match (but there is no powerpc-apple-darwin > > in binutils, and no powerpc-apple in gcc) > > > > All that being said, I'm doing this so I can add my linux boxes to my > > OSX build farm. Check out distcc.samba.org for a wicked cool and easy > > > way to distribute compiles. > > > > -Marc > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wlug mailing list > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

Dec. 19, 2002

RE: [Wlug] Cross Compile Question

by Marc Hughes

If I compile some source files with gcc2.x and some with gcc3.x, can I link the object files together? -Marc -----Original Message----- From: wlug-admin(a)mail.wlug.org [mailto:wlug-admin@mail.wlug.org] On Behalf Of Skip Gaede Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2002 12:23 PM To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org Subject: RE: [Wlug] Cross Compile Question I recently saw that the GCC 3.x compiler isn't cross compile friendly. Try using GCC 2.95.3. --Skip > -----Original Message----- > From: wlug-admin(a)mail.wlug.org [mailto:wlug-admin@mail.wlug.org]On > Behalf Of Marc Hughes > Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2002 11:45 AM > To: wlug(a)wlug.org > Subject: [Wlug] Cross Compile Question > > > I'm trying to make a cross-compiler on an i386 linux box to a > ppc darwin > (OSX) box. I downloaded binutils, configured them with > ./configure --target=powerpc-apple --prefix=/usr/local > Build them, and installed them. > > Then I went and got gcc (with g++), configured it with: ./configure > --target=powerpc-apple-darwin --prefix=/usr/local > > I also made a symlink from /usr/local/powerpc-apple -> > /usr/local/powerpc-apple-darwin since it seemed to fix a problem in > the gcc compile. > > When I try to build gcc, it goes for a minute or so, and then > I get this > towards the end: > > libbackend.a(varasm.o): In function `assemble_alias': > /data/hughesm/tmp/gcc-3.1/gcc/varasm.c:5184: undefined reference to > `ASM_OUTPUT_DEF' > collect2: ld returned 1 exit status > make[1]: *** [cc1] Error 1 > make[1]: Leaving directory `/data/hughesm/tmp/gcc-3.1/gcc' > make: *** [all-gcc] Error 2 > > I'm not really asking for the exact cause of the error... I'm just > trying to figure out if I'm even going about this the correct way. > The documentation on cross compiling is a bit sparse. It seems odd to > me that the targets don't match (but there is no powerpc-apple-darwin > in binutils, and no powerpc-apple in gcc) > > All that being said, I'm doing this so I can add my linux boxes to my > OSX build farm. Check out distcc.samba.org for a wicked cool and easy > way to distribute compiles. > > -Marc > > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Dec. 19, 2002

RE: [Wlug] Cross Compile Question

by Skip Gaede

I recently saw that the GCC 3.x compiler isn't cross compile friendly. Try using GCC 2.95.3. --Skip > -----Original Message----- > From: wlug-admin(a)mail.wlug.org [mailto:wlug-admin@mail.wlug.org]On > Behalf Of Marc Hughes > Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2002 11:45 AM > To: wlug(a)wlug.org > Subject: [Wlug] Cross Compile Question > > > I'm trying to make a cross-compiler on an i386 linux box to a > ppc darwin > (OSX) box. I downloaded binutils, configured them with > ./configure --target=powerpc-apple --prefix=/usr/local > Build them, and installed them. > > Then I went and got gcc (with g++), configured it with: > ./configure --target=powerpc-apple-darwin --prefix=/usr/local > > I also made a symlink from /usr/local/powerpc-apple -> > /usr/local/powerpc-apple-darwin since it seemed to fix a > problem in the > gcc compile. > > When I try to build gcc, it goes for a minute or so, and then > I get this > towards the end: > > libbackend.a(varasm.o): In function `assemble_alias': > /data/hughesm/tmp/gcc-3.1/gcc/varasm.c:5184: undefined reference to > `ASM_OUTPUT_DEF' > collect2: ld returned 1 exit status > make[1]: *** [cc1] Error 1 > make[1]: Leaving directory `/data/hughesm/tmp/gcc-3.1/gcc' > make: *** [all-gcc] Error 2 > > I'm not really asking for the exact cause of the error... I'm just > trying to figure out if I'm even going about this the correct > way. The > documentation on cross compiling is a bit sparse. It seems odd to me > that the targets don't match (but there is no powerpc-apple-darwin in > binutils, and no powerpc-apple in gcc) > > All that being said, I'm doing this so I can add my linux boxes to my > OSX build farm. Check out distcc.samba.org for a wicked cool and easy > way to distribute compiles. > > -Marc > > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

Dec. 19, 2002

Cross Compile Question

by Marc Hughes

I'm trying to make a cross-compiler on an i386 linux box to a ppc darwin (OSX) box. I downloaded binutils, configured them with ./configure --target=powerpc-apple --prefix=/usr/local Build them, and installed them. Then I went and got gcc (with g++), configured it with: ./configure --target=powerpc-apple-darwin --prefix=/usr/local I also made a symlink from /usr/local/powerpc-apple -> /usr/local/powerpc-apple-darwin since it seemed to fix a problem in the gcc compile. When I try to build gcc, it goes for a minute or so, and then I get this towards the end: libbackend.a(varasm.o): In function `assemble_alias': /data/hughesm/tmp/gcc-3.1/gcc/varasm.c:5184: undefined reference to `ASM_OUTPUT_DEF' collect2: ld returned 1 exit status make[1]: *** [cc1] Error 1 make[1]: Leaving directory `/data/hughesm/tmp/gcc-3.1/gcc' make: *** [all-gcc] Error 2 I'm not really asking for the exact cause of the error... I'm just trying to figure out if I'm even going about this the correct way. The documentation on cross compiling is a bit sparse. It seems odd to me that the targets don't match (but there is no powerpc-apple-darwin in binutils, and no powerpc-apple in gcc) All that being said, I'm doing this so I can add my linux boxes to my OSX build farm. Check out distcc.samba.org for a wicked cool and easy way to distribute compiles. -Marc

Dec. 19, 2002

Re: [Wlug] MORE Apache [PHP, MySQL] on Debian --Update

by Josh Huber

"Malcolm H. Beaulieu" <pctech(a)ece.wpi.edu> writes: > I add 'use strict;' and 'use CGI;' at the top, nothing changes and I > still receive the same error. BUT, when they are removed, the > script then works fine. WITHOUT changing anything else. Any ideas? Well, does it from the command line fine with both those options? You mentioned that you installed everything from source...I assume you you're not referring to perl as well? Perhaps trying to run the script as the user apache is running as? Do you have the CGI module installed for perl? (isn't it included with the default installation? I forget...) -- Josh Huber

Dec. 19, 2002

Re: [Wlug] MORE Apache [PHP, MySQL] on Debian --Update

by Malcolm H. Beaulieu

So this is unusual ... I add 'use strict;' and 'use CGI;' at the top, nothing changes and I still receive the same error. BUT, when they are removed, the script then works fine. WITHOUT changing anything else. Any ideas? On Wed, 18 Dec 2002, Malcolm H. Beaulieu wrote: > > I recently compiled Apache (with PHP, SSL, Perl) on a Debian box (I > downloaded all the sources BTW) and it has been running fine, for the most > part. The recent discussions reminded me that I had been having problems > with the perl part of the build. Whenever a script is executed, I receive > a "500 Internal Server Error" with the following in the logs: > > [DATE] [error] (2)No such file or directory: exec of /usr/local/apache/cgi-bin/test-cgi failed > [DATE] [error] [client IP] Premature end of script headers: /usr/local/apache/cgi-bin/test-cgi > > The script is actually a stripped down version of my original one (pasted > at the end of this email). The permissions are a+rx on the file, the path > to perl and the file are correct, the directory is the one defined under > ScriptAlias in the httpd.conf and the script executes fine from a prompt, > ie 'perl test-cgi'. mod_perl didn't complain about anything and compiled > correctly. Does anyone have any ideas about what the problem could be? > Thanx in advance for your help! > > -Malcolm > > > > =================== BEGIN FILE > > #!/usr/bin/perl > > print "Content-type: text/html \n\n"; > print "<HTML>\n"; > print "<HEAD>\n"; > print "</HEAD>\n"; > print "<BODY BGCOLOR=WHITE>\n\n"; > print "<BR><BR>\n\n"; > print "<CENTER><H3>Form Error</H3></CENTER><BR>\n"; > print "<H2>\nErrors were encountered in the following fields:\n"; > print "</BODY>\n"; > print "</HTML>\n"; > > > =================== END FILE > > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

Dec. 18, 2002

MORE Apache [PHP, MySQL] on Debian

by Malcolm H. Beaulieu

I recently compiled Apache (with PHP, SSL, Perl) on a Debian box (I downloaded all the sources BTW) and it has been running fine, for the most part. The recent discussions reminded me that I had been having problems with the perl part of the build. Whenever a script is executed, I receive a "500 Internal Server Error" with the following in the logs: [DATE] [error] (2)No such file or directory: exec of /usr/local/apache/cgi-bin/test-cgi failed [DATE] [error] [client IP] Premature end of script headers: /usr/local/apache/cgi-bin/test-cgi The script is actually a stripped down version of my original one (pasted at the end of this email). The permissions are a+rx on the file, the path to perl and the file are correct, the directory is the one defined under ScriptAlias in the httpd.conf and the script executes fine from a prompt, ie 'perl test-cgi'. mod_perl didn't complain about anything and compiled correctly. Does anyone have any ideas about what the problem could be? Thanx in advance for your help! -Malcolm =================== BEGIN FILE #!/usr/bin/perl print "Content-type: text/html \n\n"; print "<HTML>\n"; print "<HEAD>\n"; print "</HEAD>\n"; print "<BODY BGCOLOR=WHITE>\n\n"; print "<BR><BR>\n\n"; print "<CENTER><H3>Form Error</H3></CENTER><BR>\n"; print "<H2>\nErrors were encountered in the following fields:\n"; print "</BODY>\n"; print "</HTML>\n"; =================== END FILE

Dec. 18, 2002

Re: [nylug-talk] Re: Help installing Apache on Debian

by bruce ingalls

> On Wed, Dec 18, 2002 at 10:53:42AM -0800, jose sanchez wrote: > > I did a search "installing php with oracle support on > > debian" and didn't get much on it. > > You need to have a whole bunch of oracle's libraries installed on the > system you're building on. Its safest to copy the entire installation > from the other systems (except for the datafiles) and set ORACLE_BASE > and ORACLE_HOME in a manner similar to how they're set on your > production system, then re-run the build. What kind of database driver are you using? You might also need to set LD_LIBRARY_PATH Oracle also has some configuration files, but generally, they don't need tweaking. However, they could be useful for turning on logging.

Dec. 18, 2002

Re: [nylug-talk] Re: Help installing Apache on Debian

by Ruben I Safir

I love Oracle. Fast, secure, easy. Do your job and get out of the way. Ruben On 2002.12.18 14:15 Peter C. Norton wrote: > On Wed, Dec 18, 2002 at 10:53:42AM -0800, jose sanchez wrote: > > I did a search "installing php with oracle support on > > debian" and didn't get much on it. > > You need to have a whole bunch of oracle's libraries installed on the > system you're building on. Its safest to copy the entire installation > from the other systems (except for the datafiles) and set ORACLE_BASE > and ORACLE_HOME in a manner similar to how they're set on your > production system, then re-run the build. > > -Peter > > -- > The 5 year plan: > In five years we'll make up another plan. > Or just re-use this one. > _______________________________________________ > The nylug-talk mailing list is at nylug-talk(a)nylug.org > To subscribe or unsubscribe: http://herzl.nylug.org/mailman/listinfo/nylug-talk > -- __________________________ Brooklyn Linux Solutions __________________________ DRM is THEFT - We are the STAKEHOLDERS http://fairuse.nylxs.com http://www.mrbrklyn.com - Consulting http://www.inns.net <-- Happy Clients http://www.nylxs.com - Leadership Development in Free Software http://www2.mrbrklyn.com/resources - Unpublished Archive or stories and articles from around the net http://www2.mrbrklyn.com/downtown.html - See the New Downtown Brooklyn.... 1-718-382-0585

Dec. 18, 2002

Re: [nylug-talk] Re: Help installing Apache on Debian

by Peter C. Norton

On Wed, Dec 18, 2002 at 10:53:42AM -0800, jose sanchez wrote: > I did a search "installing php with oracle support on > debian" and didn't get much on it. You need to have a whole bunch of oracle's libraries installed on the system you're building on. Its safest to copy the entire installation from the other systems (except for the datafiles) and set ORACLE_BASE and ORACLE_HOME in a manner similar to how they're set on your production system, then re-run the build. -Peter -- The 5 year plan: In five years we'll make up another plan. Or just re-use this one.

Dec. 18, 2002

Re: Help installing Apache on Debian

by jose sanchez

> apt-get install libc6-dev After installing libc6-dev the configuration now works. Now I have another problem. I'm trying to configure PHP with Oracle 8i support: ./configure --with-apache=../apache_1.3.27 --enable-track-vars --with-oracle --with-mysql --enable-url-includes and get this error: checking for Oracle-ORACLE support... yes checking Oracle Install-Dir... checking Oracle version... configure: error: Oracle needed libraries not found Do I need Oracle server installed on the same box Apache and php are or could I just install a third party library to support Oracle? I have Oracle 8i installed on a different box running RH 7.2 and I would like to connect to this box through a php webpage from the Debian box. I did a search "installing php with oracle support on debian" and didn't get much on it. Can it be done? Thanks everyone for your time and input. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com

Dec. 18, 2002

Re: [Wlug] Apache, PHP, MySQL on Debian

by jose sanchez

Hi Josh: I don't know if you already received my last post on "installing apache on Debian" but, I am having some problems getting it configured. I would like to know if you can please help me. I already did a search on google.com but didn't get much help. This is what I'm getting when I type ./configure -v --prefix=/usr/apache + Module setenvif: yes cd ..; gcc -DLINUX=22 -DUSE_HSREGEX -DUSE_EXPAT -I./lib/expat-lite -DNO_DL_NEEDED `./apaci` -o helpers/dummy helpers/dummy.c -lm /usr/bin/ld: cannot open crt1.o: No such file or directory collect2: ld returned 1 exit status make: *** [dummy] Error 1 Creating Makefile in src + configured for Linux platform + setting C compiler to gcc + setting C pre-processor to NOT-AVAILABLE + checking for system header files + adding selected modules + using builtin Expat + checking sizeof various data types + doing sanity check on compiler and options ** A test compilation with your Makefile configuration ** failed. The above error output from the compilation ** test will give you an idea what is failing. Note that ** Apache requires an ANSI C Compiler, such as gcc. ======== Error Output for sanity check ======== cd ..; gcc -DLINUX=22 -DUSE_HSREGEX -DUSE_EXPAT -I./lib/expat-lite -DNO_DL_NEEDED `./apaci` -o helpers/dummy helpers/dummy.c -lm /usr/bin/ld: cannot open crt1.o: No such file or directory collect2: ld returned 1 exit status make: *** [dummy] Error 1 ============= End of Error Report ============= Aborting! Thanks in advance. ===== "An ounce of gold cannot buy an ounce of time." - Anonymous www.whmicro.com __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com

Dec. 18, 2002

Help installing Apache on Debian

by jose sanchez

Hello: I'm trying to install Apache on Debian 3.0 and I'm getting an error when trying to configure it. ./configure -v --prefix=/usr/apache + Module setenvif: yes cd ..; gcc -DLINUX=22 -DUSE_HSREGEX -DUSE_EXPAT -I./lib/expat-lite -DNO_DL_NEEDED `./apaci` -o helpers/dummy helpers/dummy.c -lm /usr/bin/ld: cannot open crt1.o: No such file or directory collect2: ld returned 1 exit status make: *** [dummy] Error 1 Creating Makefile in src + configured for Linux platform + setting C compiler to gcc + setting C pre-processor to NOT-AVAILABLE + checking for system header files + adding selected modules + using builtin Expat + checking sizeof various data types + doing sanity check on compiler and options ** A test compilation with your Makefile configuration ** failed. The above error output from the compilation ** test will give you an idea what is failing. Note that ** Apache requires an ANSI C Compiler, such as gcc. ======== Error Output for sanity check ======== cd ..; gcc -DLINUX=22 -DUSE_HSREGEX -DUSE_EXPAT -I./lib/expat-lite -DNO_DL_NEEDED `./apaci` -o helpers/dummy helpers/dummy.c -lm /usr/bin/ld: cannot open crt1.o: No such file or directory collect2: ld returned 1 exit status make: *** [dummy] Error 1 ============= End of Error Report ============= Aborting! I have gcc installed... What is causing this? ===== "An ounce of gold cannot buy an ounce of time." - Anonymous www.whmicro.com __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com

Dec. 18, 2002

RE: [Wlug] Re: Apache, PHP, MySQL on Debian

by Marc Hughes

If you want an easy way to install from source, check out apache toolbox. It worries about all the dependencies, and it lets you grab all kinds of 3rd party modules. http://www.apachetoolbox.com/ -Marc -----Original Message----- From: wlug-admin(a)mail.wlug.org [mailto:wlug-admin@mail.wlug.org] On Behalf Of Eric R. Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2002 11:08 AM To: jose sanchez Cc: luni(a)luni.org; wlug(a)mail.wlug.org; KC Linux; NTLUG-Discuss; NY Linux; STL Subject: [Wlug] Re: Apache, PHP, MySQL on Debian jose sanchez wrote: > Hello everyone: > > > I would like to know what would be the way to install > and configure APACHE, PHP (with Oracle support), and > MYSQL on Debian 3.0? > > Should I get the latest tarball versions of all these > and just compile it or should I just get the debian > packages and install them? I'd go with source files. > > How well do these servers run on Debian? > Is there a better distro for them? I'm a RedHat guy myself. > > Thanks in advance for all your help and sorry for all > the questions in one post. > > You input would be apreciated. My notes on installing apache/mysql/php can be found in my Journal (PhedUp) at http://www.ilug.org have a quality day, E Oh, and it's considered bad etiquette to cross post to lists. _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Dec. 18, 2002

Re: [Wlug] Apache, PHP, MySQL on Debian

by Charles R. Anderson

On Tue, Dec 17, 2002 at 07:46:01AM -0800, jose sanchez wrote: j_r_sanchez> I would like to know what would be the way to install j_r_sanchez> and configure APACHE, PHP (with Oracle support), and j_r_sanchez> MYSQL on Debian 3.0? Red Hat has this all preconfigured in their packages, to my knowledge. I know definately that Apache, PHP, and MySQL are available. I'm not positive about support for Oracle, but I would be surprised if this wasn't available, given Red Hat's relationship with Oracle. -- Charles R. Anderson <cra(a)wpi.edu> / http://angus.ind.wpi.edu/~cra/ PGP Key ID: 49BB5886 Fingerprint: EBA3 A106 7C93 FA07 8E15 3AC2 C367 A0F9 49BB 5886

Dec. 17, 2002

Re: [Wlug] Apache, PHP, MySQL on Debian

by Josh Huber

jose sanchez <j_r_sanchez(a)yahoo.com> writes: > I would like to know what would be the way to install and configure > APACHE, PHP (with Oracle support), and MYSQL on Debian 3.0? > > Should I get the latest tarball versions of all these and just > compile it or should I just get the debian packages and install > them? I would suggest using the official packages in Debian stable, if at all possible. Doing this lets you take advantage of timly security advisories. > How well do these servers run on Debian? > Is there a better distro for them? Not to sound like a broken record, but I think Debian is great, especially for servers which you'd like to set up and "forget" about. > Thanks in advance for all your help and sorry for all the questions > in one post. No problem. I'd recommend looking at the packages page I mentioned in my previous post (http://packages.debian.org/) searching for the servers you'd like to run, and verifying that versions new enough for you are in the stable release. If they're not, I'd still recommend using Debian stable, but rebuilding newer packages (from the unstable tree) for your system. If you need any help with this, feel free to ask. -- Josh Huber

Dec. 17, 2002

Re: [Wlug] Debian Packages

by Josh Huber

jose sanchez <j_r_sanchez(a)yahoo.com> writes: > Is there a website to download debian packages like there is for > rpms (rpmfind.net)? Typically, you would just use the archive of packages provided by Debian, which you can browse at http://packages.debian.org/ For packages which are not in Debian, there appears to be a few sources: http://www.internatif.org/bortzmeyer/debian/apt-sources/ -- Josh Huber

Dec. 17, 2002

Re: [Wlug] Apache, PHP, MySQL on Debian

by Wes Allen

What's in debian stable now, gang? You should just be able apt-get them, right? Even "unstable" Debian tends to be more stable than "stable" everything else, if I've heard correctly. Eventually I've got to get a machine to play around with Debian (probably do a dump of knoppix on to the hard-drive), maybe if I make this pvr I'll use Debian as the base. Wes On Tuesday 17 December 2002 10:46 am, jose sanchez wrote: > Hello everyone: > > > I would like to know what would be the way to install > and configure APACHE, PHP (with Oracle support), and > MYSQL on Debian 3.0? > > Should I get the latest tarball versions of all these > and just compile it or should I just get the debian > packages and install them? > > How well do these servers run on Debian? > Is there a better distro for them? > > Thanks in advance for all your help and sorry for all > the questions in one post. > > You input would be apreciated. > > ===== > "An ounce of gold cannot buy an ounce of time." > - Anonymous > > > www.whmicro.com > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. > http://mailplus.yahoo.com > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug -- ------ This message may be signed using GPG, for my public key please send me a message with "Key Request" in the subject line.

Dec. 17, 2002

Re: Apache, PHP, MySQL on Debian

by Eric R.

jose sanchez wrote: > Hello everyone: > > > I would like to know what would be the way to install > and configure APACHE, PHP (with Oracle support), and > MYSQL on Debian 3.0? > > Should I get the latest tarball versions of all these > and just compile it or should I just get the debian > packages and install them? I'd go with source files. > > How well do these servers run on Debian? > Is there a better distro for them? I'm a RedHat guy myself. > > Thanks in advance for all your help and sorry for all > the questions in one post. > > You input would be apreciated. My notes on installing apache/mysql/php can be found in my Journal (PhedUp) at http://www.ilug.org have a quality day, E Oh, and it's considered bad etiquette to cross post to lists.

Dec. 17, 2002

Apache, PHP, MySQL on Debian

by jose sanchez

Hello everyone: I would like to know what would be the way to install and configure APACHE, PHP (with Oracle support), and MYSQL on Debian 3.0? Should I get the latest tarball versions of all these and just compile it or should I just get the debian packages and install them? How well do these servers run on Debian? Is there a better distro for them? Thanks in advance for all your help and sorry for all the questions in one post. You input would be apreciated. ===== "An ounce of gold cannot buy an ounce of time." - Anonymous www.whmicro.com __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com

Dec. 17, 2002

Debian Packages

by jose sanchez

Hello: Is there a website to download debian packages like there is for rpms (rpmfind.net)? Thanks ===== "An ounce of gold cannot buy an ounce of time." - Anonymous www.whmicro.com __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com

Dec. 17, 2002

Re: [Wlug] Speaking Of Mac G4's...

by Mike Frysinger

On Sunday 15 December 2002 22:39, Josh Huber wrote: > Sands Fish <fishsands(a)yahoo.com> writes: > > Would Debian or Gentoo be suitable for an enterprise environment? > > No worries about having it be an open server on the Internet for > > mail and possibly other MIS-like silliness? Please advise, thanx in > > advance. :) > > I can't speak for Gentoo, but Debian has served me well in Enterprise > environments in the past. Security advisories are prompt, and the > stable release of Debian strives to change as little as possible, > making it an ideal (IMHO ;) choice for servers. GLSA's are released as soon as Gentoo gets wind of them and updating the affected packages usually is just: emerge rsync emerge <pkg> emerge clean as for stability, we've introduced stable/unstable masking which aims to take care of this ... but we do not move as slowly as Debian stable, in fact we try to avoid that kind of non-change ... -mike

Dec. 16, 2002

Re: [Wlug] Speaking Of Mac G4's...

by Josh Huber

Sands Fish <fishsands(a)yahoo.com> writes: > Would Debian or Gentoo be suitable for an enterprise environment? > No worries about having it be an open server on the Internet for > mail and possibly other MIS-like silliness? Please advise, thanx in > advance. :) I can't speak for Gentoo, but Debian has served me well in Enterprise environments in the past. Security advisories are prompt, and the stable release of Debian strives to change as little as possible, making it an ideal (IMHO ;) choice for servers. -- Josh Huber

Dec. 16, 2002

Re: [Wlug] Speaking Of Mac G4's...

by Sands Fish

Would Debian or Gentoo be suitable for an enterprise environment? No worries about having it be an open server on the Internet for mail and possibly other MIS-like silliness? Please advise, thanx in advance. :) <x>< --- Mike Frysinger <vapier(a)gentoo.org> wrote: > i'd suggest Gentoo cause it works great on ppc ;) > -mike > > On Friday 13 December 2002 14:59, Sands Fish wrote: > > I've got a G4 dual-proc here at work. Boss wants > me > > to throw Linux on it. I've been trying to find > the > > best solution for a distro. SuSE seems to be the > best > > choice to me so far, but I want to tap the deep > dark > > depths of the WLUG knowledge before I go making a > > decision. > > > > Little Help? > > > > -Sands > > > > --------- > > "An electric toothbrush is an excellent choice if > you > > are such a lazy f##k that you can't even move a > > toothbrush up and down." > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up > now. > > http://mailplus.yahoo.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wlug mailing list > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com

Dec. 16, 2002

Re: [Wlug] Speaking Of Mac G4's...

by Mike Frysinger

i'd suggest Gentoo cause it works great on ppc ;) -mike On Friday 13 December 2002 14:59, Sands Fish wrote: > I've got a G4 dual-proc here at work. Boss wants me > to throw Linux on it. I've been trying to find the > best solution for a distro. SuSE seems to be the best > choice to me so far, but I want to tap the deep dark > depths of the WLUG knowledge before I go making a > decision. > > Little Help? > > -Sands > > --------- > "An electric toothbrush is an excellent choice if you > are such a lazy f##k that you can't even move a > toothbrush up and down." > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. > http://mailplus.yahoo.com > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Dec. 14, 2002

Re: [Wlug] Speaking Of Mac G4's...

by Josh Huber

Scott Venier <scott(a)scooter.cx> writes: > I've never tried it on PPC, but I'm quite happy with Debian on my > Alpha. Debian works quite well on powerpc. I recommend it as well... -- Josh Huber

Dec. 13, 2002

Re: [Wlug] Speaking Of Mac G4's...

by Brian J. Conway

Yellow Dog seems to be the premier Linux PPC distro. I've also heard good things about Mandrake on the Mac (the latest is 8.2, they're alternating releases versus x86, 9.1 will be next). -b On Fri, 13 Dec 2002, Scott Venier wrote: > I've never tried it on PPC, but I'm quite happy with Debian on my Alpha. > > Scott > > On Fri, 13 Dec 2002, Sands Fish wrote: > > > I've got a G4 dual-proc here at work. Boss wants me > > to throw Linux on it. I've been trying to find the > > best solution for a distro. SuSE seems to be the best > > choice to me so far, but I want to tap the deep dark > > depths of the WLUG knowledge before I go making a > > decision. > > > > Little Help? > > > > -Sands > > > > --------- > > "An electric toothbrush is an excellent choice if you > > are such a lazy f##k that you can't even move a > > toothbrush up and down." > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. > > http://mailplus.yahoo.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wlug mailing list > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > -- Brian J. Conway bconway(a)alum.wpi.edu "LINUX is obsolete" - Andrew S. Tanenbaum, creator of Minix - Jan 29, 1992

Dec. 13, 2002

Re: [Wlug] Speaking Of Mac G4's...

by Scott Venier

I've never tried it on PPC, but I'm quite happy with Debian on my Alpha. Scott On Fri, 13 Dec 2002, Sands Fish wrote: > I've got a G4 dual-proc here at work. Boss wants me > to throw Linux on it. I've been trying to find the > best solution for a distro. SuSE seems to be the best > choice to me so far, but I want to tap the deep dark > depths of the WLUG knowledge before I go making a > decision. > > Little Help? > > -Sands > > --------- > "An electric toothbrush is an excellent choice if you > are such a lazy f##k that you can't even move a > toothbrush up and down." > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. > http://mailplus.yahoo.com > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

Dec. 13, 2002

Re: [Wlug] Linux on a dual headed mac

by Marc Hughes

You betcha... XF86Config-4-ati - A copy of the config when I'm trying to get it to work for just the secondary (ATI) card. XFree86.2.log - Log file from when the ati config fails. XF86Confg-4.NVIDIA-WORKS - A copy of the config that works with the primary card. (Geforce) Also, on the secondary monitor at boot time it displays: ... ok copying 0F device tree... done Initing fake screen Calling quiesce ... in black text on a light grey screen. This text stays there until I turn the machine off. Thanks, -Marc On Friday 13 December 2002 01:32, Scott Venier wrote: > Could you post your XF86Config-4 and the probing portions of the Xserver's > output? > > Scott > > On Fri, 13 Dec 2002, Marc Hughes wrote: > > Hi all, > > > > I got a dual headed G4 sitting here that's just itching to be a linux > > box. I can get X up on the primary video card, but am having problems > > getting it to work on the secondary one. (I figure I should get that > > working, before I try to get them both working). Unfortunatly, I can't > > figure out how to get the second video card to work. I try specifying a > > busid in the XFree86Config-4 file. It seems to always be trying to use > > my primary card. Is there a way to get fb support on bootup on the > > second display? > > > > Primary card: Geforce2 MX with a 17" apple studio display using the > > Apple Display Connector (not the vga one) - PCI bus 0:16:0 > > > > Secondary card: ATI Radeon Q with a 19" generic monitor - PCI bus 0:20:0 > > > > Any ideas? > > > > Thanks, > > -Marc > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wlug mailing list > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Dec. 13, 2002

Speaking Of Mac G4's...

by Sands Fish

I've got a G4 dual-proc here at work. Boss wants me to throw Linux on it. I've been trying to find the best solution for a distro. SuSE seems to be the best choice to me so far, but I want to tap the deep dark depths of the WLUG knowledge before I go making a decision. Little Help? -Sands --------- "An electric toothbrush is an excellent choice if you are such a lazy f##k that you can't even move a toothbrush up and down." __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com

Dec. 13, 2002

Re: [Wlug] Linux on a dual headed mac

by Scott Venier

Could you post your XF86Config-4 and the probing portions of the Xserver's output? Scott On Fri, 13 Dec 2002, Marc Hughes wrote: > Hi all, > > I got a dual headed G4 sitting here that's just itching to be a linux > box. I can get X up on the primary video card, but am having problems > getting it to work on the secondary one. (I figure I should get that > working, before I try to get them both working). Unfortunatly, I can't > figure out how to get the second video card to work. I try specifying a > busid in the XFree86Config-4 file. It seems to always be trying to use > my primary card. Is there a way to get fb support on bootup on the > second display? > > Primary card: Geforce2 MX with a 17" apple studio display using the > Apple Display Connector (not the vga one) - PCI bus 0:16:0 > > Secondary card: ATI Radeon Q with a 19" generic monitor - PCI bus 0:20:0 > > Any ideas? > > Thanks, > -Marc > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

Dec. 13, 2002

Linux on a dual headed mac

by Marc Hughes

Hi all, I got a dual headed G4 sitting here that's just itching to be a linux box. I can get X up on the primary video card, but am having problems getting it to work on the secondary one. (I figure I should get that working, before I try to get them both working). Unfortunatly, I can't figure out how to get the second video card to work. I try specifying a busid in the XFree86Config-4 file. It seems to always be trying to use my primary card. Is there a way to get fb support on bootup on the second display? Primary card: Geforce2 MX with a 17" apple studio display using the Apple Display Connector (not the vga one) - PCI bus 0:16:0 Secondary card: ATI Radeon Q with a 19" generic monitor - PCI bus 0:20:0 Any ideas? Thanks, -Marc

Dec. 13, 2002

Re: ipaq

by Dean M. Deaver

> From: Wes Allen <wallen(a)charter.net> > To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > Subject: Re: [Wlug] Re: ipaq > Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 14:21:24 -0500 > Reply-To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > Is there a way to install another ethernet card? > I read the specs, this would be fun to play with/break/fix/break again. > > Wes Not without at least a soldering iron and a set of skills I don't possess. So I'd have to say no. BTW, I had > 1 request for the device, so it's either lottery, combination of coin tosses, or raffle. I'll figure something out probably next week when I'm not overloaded with real work. ...Dean

Dec. 13, 2002

RE: [Wlug] Some old stuff hanging around that I'm giving away too

by Simoncini, Matthew

Hi all, I received quite a few emails from interested folks for both the books and the computers. I'll inventory everything and post a message by the end of the month with what exactly I have. I'm leaning more towards a raffle (to benefit WLUG) for most of the hardware stuff and probably giving away the books. Matthew > -----Original Message----- > From: Mike Frysinger [mailto:vapier@gentoo.org] > Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2002 3:11 PM > To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > Subject: Re: [Wlug] Some old stuff hanging around that I'm giving away > too > > > On Thursday 12 December 2002 14:55, Simoncini, Matthew wrote: > > I also have some programming and other computer related > books that are > > anyone's for the taking as well. > > i might be interested in some books that you have ... > anyway i can see what you have ? > -mike > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

Dec. 13, 2002

RE: [Wlug] capture card

by Skip Gaede

Wes, Check out Freevo (http://freevo.sf.net) To record two channels, you need two tuners. --Skip > -----Original Message----- > From: wlug-admin(a)mail.wlug.org [mailto:wlug-admin@mail.wlug.org]On > Behalf Of Wes Allen > Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2002 9:31 PM > To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > Subject: [Wlug] capture card > > > Hi all, > I'm really toying with the idea of picking up one of > those $200 machines from > walmart and rolling out my own pvr. If for no other reason > than it would be > a good hobby. However, I want it to be able to do the one > useful thing that > I can't do with digital cable, watch one show while taping > another. My wife > and I have one tv (and one converter box), and often have > shows that conflict > with one another (we flip coins in the metaphoical "who's > there first" way). > So, I assume that I need a capture card with the > ability to tune digital > signals, no problem. Are there any that work with Linux? > THAT'S my problem. > > So, anyone know of a digital tv-capture/tuner card that > works with Linux? > > Wes > -- > ------ > This message may be signed using GPG, for my public key please > send me a message with "Key Request" in the subject line. > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > >

Dec. 13, 2002

capture card

by Wes Allen

Hi all, I'm really toying with the idea of picking up one of those $200 machines from walmart and rolling out my own pvr. If for no other reason than it would be a good hobby. However, I want it to be able to do the one useful thing that I can't do with digital cable, watch one show while taping another. My wife and I have one tv (and one converter box), and often have shows that conflict with one another (we flip coins in the metaphoical "who's there first" way). So, I assume that I need a capture card with the ability to tune digital signals, no problem. Are there any that work with Linux? THAT'S my problem. So, anyone know of a digital tv-capture/tuner card that works with Linux? Wes -- ------ This message may be signed using GPG, for my public key please send me a message with "Key Request" in the subject line.

Dec. 13, 2002

Re: [Wlug] Linux/document source control MS Word

by Chuck Homic

On Thu, Dec 12, 2002 at 07:58:26PM -0500, Frank Sweetser wrote: > MS Word has it's own version control built in. I don't know how well it > works, having never used it myself, but it is in there. It's hideous. I don't think I'll ever recover from the experience. If you're talking about having multiple people edit the document, and merge their changes, that is. But I think Word has a feature akin to "#include". You can reference another document to be inserted into your document. In this case you can break up your document into several .doc files, where presumably each author has control over one of their own, and they'll all be combined by the master document. Whether or not you use Word's revision control, or do it with includes, all you really need is a fileserver. Unless you're crazy and use something like CVS instead. I've said too much. -Chuck

Dec. 13, 2002

Re: [Wlug] Linux/document source control MS Word

by Frank Sweetser

On Thu, Dec 12, 2002 at 05:35:16PM -0500, Ritacco, Alan wrote: > Does anyone know of a logical way to allow users of MS Word to access a > single document from a linux server that will manage source control on the > document? These users are home users for a non-profit sports orginization > creating a document for end users. These people will be editing this > document via there home pc's. There is currently already a server they use > for statistics and such, which is a Linux box. They must us MS Word as they > are the most basic of basic users who can barely use PC's. MS Word has it's own version control built in. I don't know how well it works, having never used it myself, but it is in there. -- Frank Sweetser fs at wpi.edu WPI Network Engineer

Dec. 13, 2002

Lightweight Linux installer

by Andy Stewart

HI Everybody, The discussion about old used hardware got me to thinking about a recent experience. I was trying to put SuSE Linux 8.1 on a P90 with 32 MB of memory. SuSE was smart enough to jump into the ncurses installer instead of the fully graphical installer, but the installer was incredibly slow. No, not the part where the packages load slowly due to old, slow I/O devices, but the parts which ask the questions before the installation. This got me to wondering if there are any generic lightweight installers available for vintage hardware such as this. I don't see why I should be limited by a bloated installer when Linux itself works just fine on older hardware. Later, Andy -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA USA http://www.wlug.org

Dec. 12, 2002

Linux/document source control MS Word

by Ritacco, Alan

Does anyone know of a logical way to allow users of MS Word to access a single document from a linux server that will manage source control on the document? These users are home users for a non-profit sports orginization creating a document for end users. These people will be editing this document via there home pc's. There is currently already a server they use for statistics and such, which is a Linux box. They must us MS Word as they are the most basic of basic users who can barely use PC's. I know there are commerical software(s) available or co-location sites to do this, but I was not sure if anyone had ever run across anything that is specfic to MS Word docs and document/source control management on Linux (or other OS's, Solaris, etc.) Any ideas would be greatly appreciated. Thanks Al

Dec. 12, 2002

Re: [Wlug] Some old stuff hanging around that I'm giving away too

by Andy Stewart

On Thursday 12 December 2002 2:55 pm, Simoncini, Matthew wrote: > FYI: > > I've got a few PC's laying around at home that I'd like to donate to the > WLUG raffle or anyone else who thinks they can use one. These are by no > means powerful machines, but could probably be used as a firewall or low > end mail server. Hi everybody, I have no problems with folks bringing old equipment to WLUG meetings for raffle, trade, give away, sale, or whatever. We've done it before and it has worked out just fine. My only request is that if you don't get rid of your stuff, you take it back with you. Thanks, Andy -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA USA http://www.wlug.org

Dec. 12, 2002

Re: [Wlug] Some old stuff hanging around that I'm giving away too

by Mike Frysinger

On Thursday 12 December 2002 14:55, Simoncini, Matthew wrote: > I also have some programming and other computer related books that are > anyone's for the taking as well. i might be interested in some books that you have ... anyway i can see what you have ? -mike

Dec. 12, 2002

Some old stuff hanging around that I'm giving away too

by Simoncini, Matthew

FYI: I've got a few PC's laying around at home that I'd like to donate to the WLUG raffle or anyone else who thinks they can use one. These are by no means powerful machines, but could probably be used as a firewall or low end mail server. 2 - HP Vectra (I think XM's) Pentium 100 64 mb of memory sound, graphics, NIC one has a hard drive (1GB I think) 4x cd-rom ?? ** These used to be business desktops, but were retired a few years ago. 1 - Compaq Presario mini tower Pentium 75 64 mb of memory sound, graphics, NIC 850MB or 1GB hard drive 8x cd-rom ?? 13 or 14" color monitor All of these at one time or another were going to be re-built by me and donated to schools in my area, but work and my family took priority. I also have some programming and other computer related books that are anyone's for the taking as well. If anyone is interested, I'll can email more specific information after I invertory the stuff. If this sounds like some stuff that can be raffled off at the January meeting, I'd be willing to bring it all down. Matthew

Dec. 12, 2002

Re: [Wlug] Re: ipaq

by Wes Allen

Is there a way to install another ethernet card? I read the specs, this would be fun to play with/break/fix/break again. Wes On Thursday 12 December 2002 1:56 pm, Dean M. Deaver wrote: > > Message: 1 > > From: brad <maitre(a)ccs.neu.edu> > > To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > Subject: Re: [Wlug] Meeting Ideas... > > Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 12:12:40 -0500 > > charset="iso-8859-1" > > Reply-To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > > > A meeting like so would probably be best suited for January. That would > > give me time to get kitchsync working. Also i hope i can i have a ipaq to > > install linux on (mine has already been ..... well, exorcized). Wes has > > been wanting to do for some time, let's hope he can make it January's > > meeting. > > > > Are there any other ipaq owners which would like to have this done? > > Speaking of ipaq, I have a 'Shark' Network Appliance that is now > gathering dust in my attic as I no longer have the time to fiddle > with it. Basically, it's a StrongARM SA-110 based device as > described on handhelds.org / platforms . Might be useful for > ipaq development. It's up for grabs, for free. Reply if you > want it. If I get more than one reply within the next week > (i.e. by noon next Thursday), the giveaway will be done by some > form of lottery (or it could be done by meeting raffle > if wlug still has those). > > Disclaimer: The last time I tried -- ~ 2 years ago -- it would boot > linux via bootp. I also had something of a useful distro (?) > "installed", with binaries cribbed from a mix of stuff from > handhelds.org and netwinder rpms. But it will probably take some > doing to get it up and running since I have no documentation for the > current firmware; and, the last time I checked, I wasn't greeted by > a 'may I help you' prompt upon powering it up. [I would power it up > now but I cannot find the power supply :) ] > > > ...Dean > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug -- ------ This message may be signed using GPG, for my public key please send me a message with "Key Request" in the subject line.

Dec. 12, 2002

Re: [Wlug] Re: ipaq

by Wes Allen

Is this an embedded device? What ports? Would it make a good firewall? Wes On Thursday 12 December 2002 1:56 pm, Dean M. Deaver wrote: > > Message: 1 > > From: brad <maitre(a)ccs.neu.edu> > > To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > Subject: Re: [Wlug] Meeting Ideas... > > Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 12:12:40 -0500 > > charset="iso-8859-1" > > Reply-To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > > > A meeting like so would probably be best suited for January. That would > > give me time to get kitchsync working. Also i hope i can i have a ipaq to > > install linux on (mine has already been ..... well, exorcized). Wes has > > been wanting to do for some time, let's hope he can make it January's > > meeting. > > > > Are there any other ipaq owners which would like to have this done? > > Speaking of ipaq, I have a 'Shark' Network Appliance that is now > gathering dust in my attic as I no longer have the time to fiddle > with it. Basically, it's a StrongARM SA-110 based device as > described on handhelds.org / platforms . Might be useful for > ipaq development. It's up for grabs, for free. Reply if you > want it. If I get more than one reply within the next week > (i.e. by noon next Thursday), the giveaway will be done by some > form of lottery (or it could be done by meeting raffle > if wlug still has those). > > Disclaimer: The last time I tried -- ~ 2 years ago -- it would boot > linux via bootp. I also had something of a useful distro (?) > "installed", with binaries cribbed from a mix of stuff from > handhelds.org and netwinder rpms. But it will probably take some > doing to get it up and running since I have no documentation for the > current firmware; and, the last time I checked, I wasn't greeted by > a 'may I help you' prompt upon powering it up. [I would power it up > now but I cannot find the power supply :) ] > > > ...Dean > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug -- ------ This message may be signed using GPG, for my public key please send me a message with "Key Request" in the subject line.

Dec. 12, 2002

Re: ipaq

by Dean M. Deaver

> Message: 1 > From: brad <maitre(a)ccs.neu.edu> > To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > Subject: Re: [Wlug] Meeting Ideas... > Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 12:12:40 -0500 > charset="iso-8859-1" > Reply-To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > A meeting like so would probably be best suited for January. That would give > me time to get kitchsync working. Also i hope i can i have a ipaq to install > linux on (mine has already been ..... well, exorcized). Wes has been wanting > to do for some time, let's hope he can make it January's meeting. > > Are there any other ipaq owners which would like to have this done? > Speaking of ipaq, I have a 'Shark' Network Appliance that is now gathering dust in my attic as I no longer have the time to fiddle with it. Basically, it's a StrongARM SA-110 based device as described on handhelds.org / platforms . Might be useful for ipaq development. It's up for grabs, for free. Reply if you want it. If I get more than one reply within the next week (i.e. by noon next Thursday), the giveaway will be done by some form of lottery (or it could be done by meeting raffle if wlug still has those). Disclaimer: The last time I tried -- ~ 2 years ago -- it would boot linux via bootp. I also had something of a useful distro (?) "installed", with binaries cribbed from a mix of stuff from handhelds.org and netwinder rpms. But it will probably take some doing to get it up and running since I have no documentation for the current firmware; and, the last time I checked, I wasn't greeted by a 'may I help you' prompt upon powering it up. [I would power it up now but I cannot find the power supply :) ] ...Dean

Dec. 12, 2002

Re: [Wlug] Meeting Ideas...

by Bill Smith

On Tue, 10 Dec 2002 09:09:29 -0500 "Marc Hughes" <mhughes(a)wpidalamar.com> wrote: MH> Since the ipaq install was described as a mini-demo, perhaps a PDA MH> night? MH> IPaqs, zauruses, palms, whatever else. MH> MH> I'd suggest... MH> How to install linux on them. (including explanation of distros, and MH> package formats) MH> How to sync them with a linux desktop. MH> How to sync the linux pda with a windows desktop. MH> Other cool stuff? MH> war-walking? well, i'm looking to see what sort of Linux distro i can get to install on my Palm IIIx... there used to be a few, but any that i found either didn't exist anymore or (in one case) they hang upon installation, even when they claim to install on my handheld.... 8\ -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- William Smith wsmith-at-chezsmith-dot-com Fall River, MA http://www.chezsmith.com "Veal-Fattening Pen: Small, cramped office workstations built of fabric-covered disassemblable wall partitions and inhabited by junior staff members. Named after the small preslaughter cubicles used by the cattle industry." -- Douglas Coupland, "Generation X: Tales for an Accelerated Culture" * TAG! v3.1 *

Dec. 12, 2002

REMINDER: WLUG Meeting

by Andy Stewart

HI everybody, The next WLUG meeting will be held on Thursday, Dec. 12th at 7:00 PM in Kinnicutt Hall on the WPI campus in Worcester. At this meeting, we'll informally discuss the Linux news and events which took place over the year 2002. Let's take a look at how far Linux has come in the past year, and muse over where it will head during the next year. Look back through your old magazines, e-mails, and newsgroups and let's see how many different things we can remember about this past year and Linux. We will also hold a brainstorming session to get more details about upcoming WLUG meetings for the year 2003. After the meeting, we'll make our monthly pilgrimage to the Boynton Restaurant for some pizza and beer as we celebrate Linux and the holidays together. See ya later! Andy -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA USA http://www.wlug.org

Dec. 11, 2002

Re: [Wlug] Upcoming meetings

by doug waud

Hi all > Chips and Dip? ;-) > > You know, this triggered an idea. I am not going to ask for details there! :-) > Every year, before the end of the calendar year, > you see these TV shows which summarize the news from the past 12 > months. What about Linux news from this year that could be summarized > at the meeting? OK, I'm grabbing at straws here......maybe I'll just stick > with the chips and dip. Given the quasi-fiasco with the last meeting where no topic was announced, I think the WLUG site should have *some* topic. I suggest "The year in Linux" as a default (following up on your above musings). It would be better than no topic at all and is broad enougth that we should be able to kindle some sort of fire with it. Summary: get a topic, anything reasonable, up on the web page asap. :-) doug

Dec. 11, 2002

Re: [Wlug] Upcoming meetings

by Stephen C. Daukas

I agree. Put up the topic, as Doug suggested, and run with it. I should think a quick run through the year's Linux Journal, and others, would make for a good framework for the evening. Of course, anyone could always add what they did/know/heard about, etc... doug waud wrote: > Hi all > >> Chips and Dip? ;-) >> >> You know, this triggered an idea. > > > I am not going to ask for details there! :-) > >> Every year, before the end of the calendar year, >> you see these TV shows which summarize the news from the past 12 >> months. What about Linux news from this year that could be >> summarized at the meeting? OK, I'm grabbing at straws >> here......maybe I'll just stick with the chips and dip. > > > Given the quasi-fiasco with the last meeting where no topic > was announced, I think the WLUG site should have *some* > topic. I suggest "The year in Linux" as a default > (following up on your above musings). It would be > better than no topic at all and is broad enougth > that we should be able to kindle some sort of > fire with it. > > Summary: get a topic, anything reasonable, up on > the web page asap. :-) >

Dec. 11, 2002

Re: [Wlug] Upcoming meetings

by Wes Allen

Or a kernel demo, anyone running a 2.5 kernel? Wes On Wednesday 11 December 2002 8:20 am, Andy Stewart wrote: > On Wednesday 11 December 2002 7:37 am, Stephen C. Daukas wrote: > > Andy Stewart wrote: > > >HI everybody, > > > > [snip] > > > > >Given all of the above, that still leaves our December meeting open. > > > What do folks think we can pull together in the next few days? > > > > Chips and Dip? ;-) > > You know, this triggered an idea. Every year, before the end of the > calendar year, you see these TV shows which summarize the news from the > past 12 months. What about Linux news from this year that could be > summarized at the meeting? OK, I'm grabbing at straws here......maybe I'll > just stick with the chips and dip. > > Later, > > Andy -- ------ This message may be signed using GPG, for my public key please send me a message with "Key Request" in the subject line.

Dec. 11, 2002

Re: [Wlug] Upcoming meetings

by Andy Stewart

On Wednesday 11 December 2002 7:37 am, Stephen C. Daukas wrote: > Andy Stewart wrote: > >HI everybody, > > [snip] > > >Given all of the above, that still leaves our December meeting open. What > > do folks think we can pull together in the next few days? > > Chips and Dip? ;-) You know, this triggered an idea. Every year, before the end of the calendar year, you see these TV shows which summarize the news from the past 12 months. What about Linux news from this year that could be summarized at the meeting? OK, I'm grabbing at straws here......maybe I'll just stick with the chips and dip. Later, Andy -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA USA http://www.wlug.org

Dec. 11, 2002

Re: [Wlug] Upcoming meetings

by Stephen C. Daukas

Andy Stewart wrote: >HI everybody, > [snip] >Given all of the above, that still leaves our December meeting open. What do >folks think we can pull together in the next few days? > Chips and Dip? ;-)

Dec. 11, 2002

Upcoming meetings

by Andy Stewart

HI everybody, I like the idea of having a handhelds night, be they Zaurus, IPAQ, Palm, etc. I also would agree that January might be a good time for such a meeting. There seems to be a general consensus on this, so I'd like to propose that the January meeting will be the "Handhelds and Linux" meeting. I'll volunteer to bring my Palm IIIx and show how to sync it with Linux. Admittedly, that's not as cool as running Linux on the handheld itself, but hey, its one more thing to keep me away from Windows! I would like to hear from other volunteers who plan to bring their handheld devices so I can pencil you in. When I announce the meeting, I'd like to be able to say what types of devices will be discussed and demonstrated. That type of detail will draw people to the meeting. Note that Jon 'Maddog' Hall is scheduled to be our speaker at the February meeting. Maddog has come to WLUG meetings in the past and is an awesome speaker. You definitely do NOT want to miss this meeting! If we advertise this around the WPI campus and on the net, I don't see why we couldn't have a big crowd for this meeting. With regard to a possible LAN party, its not clear to me that we can pull it together just a few days before the meeting date (or am I wrong?), so should we plan on this for the March meeting? I propose that with all of the network gear and people's computers, we could accomodate the computer gamers as well as those who want security checks (nessus and the like), or even those who have never configured networking before and would like to give it a try. Given all of the above, that still leaves our December meeting open. What do folks think we can pull together in the next few days? Later, Andy -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA USA http://www.wlug.org

Dec. 11, 2002

Re: [Wlug] Meeting Ideas...

by Wes Allen

On Tuesday 10 December 2002 5:52 pm, brad wrote: > On Tue, Dec 10, 2002 at 01:17:53PM -0500, Brett Russ wrote: > > brad wrote: > > >Are there any other ipaq owners which would like to have this done? > > These are all good questions. > > > Yeah, I would if you tell me I can reliably sync between Linux and > > Windows > > I believe this is possible. I will look into specifics. > > > and there are capable contact/task/calendar/etc apps that work > > well on the ipaq platform. > > Calendars are pretty simple to display on different platforms with the > ical file format. Good... > > Task, contacts ... i'll have to look this up. I believe contacts can > sync okay with outlook. Again i'll look into this. How about evolution? And I'm surprised that aethera isn't slated to sync with it's own apps.... > > > How about sound recording/playback > > functionality? > > This sort of works, there's development beening done in this area. ogg playback? Using theKompany's player? Maybe? > > > What LAN/WLAN cards are supported? > > Yes, there are a few that are supported. I don't know this ones, i'll > look for a hardware compat list. I'd like to see the list, if you find a decent url.... > > > These are the worries I have. I will go to handhelds.org and read up a > > bit but sometimes experienced users find that the info read on a site is > > not as rosy IRL. > > Yeah, these are all logical concerns. For some people converting to > linux doesn't make sence. There are a few downfalls from linux on the > ipaq, off the top of head. > - no pocket word, excel, outlook etc. Opie's stuff is good, and theKompany's programs should work on an iPAQ, or so they say... > - no natural handwritting recognition (only character recognition, like > the palm) I though qtopia had trainable letter recognition? And I don't like handwriting recognition, mostly because I've got terrible handwriting.... > - Hardware is less supported. > > > thanks & I would like to start attending meetings also, > > Perhaps after i give a little demonstration, you'll have a better idea > whether converting your ipaq is for you. > > --brad I'd sugguest two computers doing the setup.... one with a serial connection to do the bootloader and initial install (if there's a couple of iPAQs) and another with usb networking setup do polish it off. How hard is it to set up usb networking? Wes > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug -- ------ This message may be signed using GPG, for my public key please send me a message with "Key Request" in the subject line.

Dec. 10, 2002

Re: [Wlug] Meeting Ideas...

by brad

On Tue, Dec 10, 2002 at 01:17:53PM -0500, Brett Russ wrote: > brad wrote: > >Are there any other ipaq owners which would like to have this done? > These are all good questions. > Yeah, I would if you tell me I can reliably sync between Linux and > Windows I believe this is possible. I will look into specifics. > and there are capable contact/task/calendar/etc apps that work > well on the ipaq platform. Calendars are pretty simple to display on different platforms with the ical file format. Task, contacts ... i'll have to look this up. I believe contacts can sync okay with outlook. Again i'll look into this. > How about sound recording/playback > functionality? This sort of works, there's development beening done in this area. > What LAN/WLAN cards are supported? Yes, there are a few that are supported. I don't know this ones, i'll look for a hardware compat list. > These are the worries I have. I will go to handhelds.org and read up a > bit but sometimes experienced users find that the info read on a site is > not as rosy IRL. Yeah, these are all logical concerns. For some people converting to linux doesn't make sence. There are a few downfalls from linux on the ipaq, off the top of head. - no pocket word, excel, outlook etc. - no natural handwritting recognition (only character recognition, like the palm) - Hardware is less supported. > thanks & I would like to start attending meetings also, Perhaps after i give a little demonstration, you'll have a better idea whether converting your ipaq is for you. --brad

Dec. 10, 2002

Re: [Wlug] Meeting Ideas...

by Wes Allen

I'll be there!!!!!! Wes On Tuesday 10 December 2002 12:12 pm, brad wrote: > A meeting like so would probably be best suited for January. That would > give me time to get kitchsync working. Also i hope i can i have a ipaq to > install linux on (mine has already been ..... well, exorcized). Wes has > been wanting to do for some time, let's hope he can make it January's > meeting. > > Are there any other ipaq owners which would like to have this done? > > On Tuesday 10 December 2002 09:09 am, Marc Hughes wrote: > > Since the ipaq install was described as a mini-demo, perhaps a PDA > > night? > > IPaqs, zauruses, palms, whatever else. > > > > I'd suggest... > > How to install linux on them. (including explanation of distros, and > > package formats) > > How to sync them with a linux desktop. > > How to sync the linux pda with a windows desktop. > > Other cool stuff? > > good list of ideas. > > > war-walking? > > what is war-walking? > > > Hmm... Not sure how easy it is to show off PDA stuff to a large group > > due to the screen size. I bet there's solutions to that (run vnc on the > > pda?) > > Yeah the size could be a problem. VNC is a good idea, and i think i does > work on the ipaq. > > > And also... Perhaps another talk someday could be "Linux on unusual > > devices" ... PS2, dreamcast, toasters, refidgerators, whatever weird > > things linux is running on. Anyone got any ideas there? > > That does sound interesting. > > --brad > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug -- ------ This message may be signed using GPG, for my public key please send me a message with "Key Request" in the subject line.

Dec. 10, 2002

Re: [Wlug] Meeting Ideas...

by Brett Russ

brad wrote: > Are there any other ipaq owners which would like to have this done? Yeah, I would if you tell me I can reliably sync between Linux and Windows and there are capable contact/task/calendar/etc apps that work well on the ipaq platform. How about sound recording/playback functionality? What LAN/WLAN cards are supported? These are the worries I have. I will go to handhelds.org and read up a bit but sometimes experienced users find that the info read on a site is not as rosy IRL. thanks & I would like to start attending meetings also, Brett

Dec. 10, 2002

Re: [Wlug] Meeting Ideas...

by brad

A meeting like so would probably be best suited for January. That would give me time to get kitchsync working. Also i hope i can i have a ipaq to install linux on (mine has already been ..... well, exorcized). Wes has been wanting to do for some time, let's hope he can make it January's meeting. Are there any other ipaq owners which would like to have this done? On Tuesday 10 December 2002 09:09 am, Marc Hughes wrote: > Since the ipaq install was described as a mini-demo, perhaps a PDA > night? > IPaqs, zauruses, palms, whatever else. > > I'd suggest... > How to install linux on them. (including explanation of distros, and > package formats) > How to sync them with a linux desktop. > How to sync the linux pda with a windows desktop. > Other cool stuff? good list of ideas. > war-walking? what is war-walking? > Hmm... Not sure how easy it is to show off PDA stuff to a large group > due to the screen size. I bet there's solutions to that (run vnc on the > pda?) Yeah the size could be a problem. VNC is a good idea, and i think i does work on the ipaq. > And also... Perhaps another talk someday could be "Linux on unusual > devices" ... PS2, dreamcast, toasters, refidgerators, whatever weird > things linux is running on. Anyone got any ideas there? That does sound interesting. --brad

Dec. 10, 2002

Re: [Wlug] Meeting Ideas...

by Wes Allen

I think the mini-demo idea was a good way to go about it. It was offered to me last install-fest by my family and I were sick. As for this week, my wife and I are talking over my coming. I had promised her that she'd be able to go out with some friends that night in advance (cookie-swap) and while she insists that it's ok if I go to the wlug meeting instead I don't feel right reniging on that promise. So I might miss this AGAIN. ARRRRRGHHHH! Maybe this could be the January topic? I'd be interested to see anyone who's got a Zarus as well, how do you like it? Wes On Tuesday 10 December 2002 9:09 am, Marc Hughes wrote: > Since the ipaq install was described as a mini-demo, perhaps a PDA > night? > IPaqs, zauruses, palms, whatever else. > > I'd suggest... > How to install linux on them. (including explanation of distros, and > package formats) > How to sync them with a linux desktop. > How to sync the linux pda with a windows desktop. > Other cool stuff? > war-walking? > > Hmm... Not sure how easy it is to show off PDA stuff to a large group > due to the screen size. I bet there's solutions to that (run vnc on the > pda?) > > And also... Perhaps another talk someday could be "Linux on unusual > devices" ... PS2, dreamcast, toasters, refidgerators, whatever weird > things linux is running on. Anyone got any ideas there? > > > -Marc > > -----Original Message----- > From: wlug-admin(a)mail.wlug.org [mailto:wlug-admin@mail.wlug.org] On > Behalf Of Stephen C. Daukas > Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2002 8:23 AM > To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > Subject: [Wlug] Meeting Ideas... > > > Now that is a great idea for a meeting (says he who has an IPAQ)! > Anyone else think installing Linux on an iPAQ would be interesting? > > >This will probably make for an intersting mini-demo at a meeting. It's > >been a > >long time since i've gone through all this stuff though (since i > > installed > > >linux on my ipaq a year and a half ago and a lot has changed). > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug -- ------ This message may be signed using GPG, for my public key please send me a message with "Key Request" in the subject line.

Dec. 10, 2002

RE: [Wlug] Meeting Ideas...

by Marc Hughes

Since the ipaq install was described as a mini-demo, perhaps a PDA night? IPaqs, zauruses, palms, whatever else. I'd suggest... How to install linux on them. (including explanation of distros, and package formats) How to sync them with a linux desktop. How to sync the linux pda with a windows desktop. Other cool stuff? war-walking? Hmm... Not sure how easy it is to show off PDA stuff to a large group due to the screen size. I bet there's solutions to that (run vnc on the pda?) And also... Perhaps another talk someday could be "Linux on unusual devices" ... PS2, dreamcast, toasters, refidgerators, whatever weird things linux is running on. Anyone got any ideas there? -Marc -----Original Message----- From: wlug-admin(a)mail.wlug.org [mailto:wlug-admin@mail.wlug.org] On Behalf Of Stephen C. Daukas Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2002 8:23 AM To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org Subject: [Wlug] Meeting Ideas... Now that is a great idea for a meeting (says he who has an IPAQ)! Anyone else think installing Linux on an iPAQ would be interesting? >This will probably make for an intersting mini-demo at a meeting. It's >been a >long time since i've gone through all this stuff though (since i installed >linux on my ipaq a year and a half ago and a lot has changed). > > _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Dec. 10, 2002

badblocks on ext3 fs

by Bill Mills-Curran

I've located the cause of weekly SCSI errors that I asked about a little while ago -- a backup program reads a file (not an important one) which has bad blocks. The file is on an ext3 file systems. My question is, do I use "e2fsck -c" to fix the problem? I'm under the impression that ext3 filesystems are just ext2 with journalling added, so that ext2 tools are the right ones to use. TIA, Bill

Dec. 10, 2002