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Re: I need advice on a new ISP

by John Stoffel

Hi Keith, I've been mulling over this email from you all week and trying to work up a reply that will help solve your issues. Unfortunately, I think we're talking about two seperate but related issues here. And I honestly think that maybe having one or more of us come to your house would be a quicker solution here. Long long rambling email to follow.... -------------------------------------- internet at home -------------------------------------- First off, you want to get faster/better/cheaper internet working at your house, since the old provider to dumping you. At this point, I think you're options are cable modem. Now you have a whole bundle of wires you need to check over. But remember that you only really care about the wire coming in from the street, since the rest of them are just feeds to different rooms/locations inside the house. Since you do not have TV setup, this makes things simpler. Just disconnect everything. Then, hook the cable modem upto the one wire coming in from the street and give it power. If you get a single, the lights will come up and give you some status and let you know if you found the right wire. In my house I have Charter Spectrum and the wire comes in and goes through a splitter, and the cable modem gets the first and best signal port from my four way splitter. The rest go to various TV cable drops in rooms around the house. So once you have signal and you can get on the internet, that issue is mostly solved. Running ethernet or Wifi through the rest of the house is just icing on the cake. -------------------------------------- firewalls and wifi - lots to discuss! -------------------------------------- And of course running your own firewall and just using their cable modem as a modem is another wrinkle!! I tend to run my own firewall and wifi on seperate systems here at home. Charter will send you a combined box, but it's never clear how much control you really have over it. I'm going to skip over all this right now since I'm assuming Charter sent you (or will send you) a combined unit to do all this. -------------------------------------- email from/to your own domains -------------------------------------- The big issue here is that nowdays Charter and other big ISPs do NOT like people sending or even getting email on port 25. Mostly the sending. So they usually tend to block outgoing port 25 traffic. They might also not be totally happy with web services, but that's another issue. So this is where having a VPS (Virtual Private Server) in the cloud running linux is a solution. But!!! You need to change how email goes out from your internal linux systems. I can help since I have this exact same setup. My main system (quad) runs postfix and knows to forward all outgoing emails to mail.stoffel.org over port 587, the submission port. I have setup a username/password combination for postfix as a whole to use to login and send emails. mail.stoffel.org is a VPS running Debian (I think) out in Linode. Not perfect, but not terrible. I have postfix/dovecot/spamassin up there and it's costs me something like $9/mon for a one CPU/1gb of RAM server which I completely manage. This is where my limited external web server is, where my MX records for stoffel.org point to, and where I send emails from to the outside world. Works quite well. But there are some problems at times with places like charter.net blocking my IP since Linode does sometimes host spammers, and so the big big guys tend to block not by IP, but by entire subnet blocks. There might be other web providers out there, at varying levels of cost and performance that you can use. I used to use Digital Ocean, but their subnet blocks have such a horrible reputation that I moved to Linode. And I was still blocked by charter until I found an internal contact who was able to open up my single IP to allow incoming email. Whew. Anyway, I'd be happy to come on over and look at your systems and help you out. Just let me know! >>>>> "Keith" == Keith Wright via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > Kevin Stratton via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: >> I am not sure how helpful this is, The Comcast technician that >> installed my cable modem insisted that all the splitters be removed > It might be very helpful. It explains why there are coax cables > hanging out of the walls all over the house and more hanging from > the basement ceiling, but almost none are connected at all. > Somebody thought it would be a good idea to put a TV in every room, > but it didn't work. >> If you can find a cable that leaves the house, that is the cable you >> should be most interested in. > It's difficult to trace cables; they are all inside the walls, > but I find one that comes out of the wall and goes into the > the bottom of a small metal box. The front of the box has 8 > coax connectors, but only one has a cable. That cable goes > through the ceiling and out of the wall upstairs behind a > big shelf that looks like a place to put a TV. > I have a DSL splitter, which has the outside line going in > and two outputs, one is voice the other digital. I think > that by "splitter" you don't mean that, but just a passive > one-to-many connector, with output just copies of the input, > like a power strip. That's what the metal box looks like. > -- Keith > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/OSDDL…

Sept. 9, 2023

Re: I need advice on a new ISP

by kevin.paetzold

If you disconnect all the cables so that none of them are connected to anything... you can short out the cables in the rooms one at a time and then use an OHM meter to look for the cable that is shorted.i used this to determine which cable went to which room. OrPut a small DC voltage (like with a 9-volt battery) on a cable and then go to the other end and look for which one has 9 volts on it.Since you are looking for the input I guess use process of elimination. -------- Original message --------From: Keith Wright via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> Date: 9/7/23 14:21 (GMT-05:00) To: Worcester Linux Users' Group General Discussion <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> Cc: wlug(a)lists.wlug.org, kstratton(a)fastmail.us, Keith Wright <kwright(a)keithdiane.us> Subject: [WLUG] Re: I need advice on a new ISP Kevin Stratton via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes:> I am not sure how helpful this is, The Comcast technician that> installed my cable modem insisted that all the splitters be removedIt might be very helpful. It explains why there are coax cableshanging out of the walls all over the house and more hanging fromthe basement ceiling, but almost none are connected at all.Somebody thought it would be a good idea to put a TV in every room,but it didn't work.> If you can find a cable that leaves the house, that is the cable you> should be most interested in.It's difficult to trace cables; they are all inside the walls,but I find one that comes out of the wall and goes into thethe bottom of a small metal box. The front of the box has 8coax connectors, but only one has a cable. That cable goesthrough the ceiling and out of the wall upstairs behind abig shelf that looks like a place to put a TV.I have a DSL splitter, which has the outside line going inand two outputs, one is voice the other digital. I thinkthat by "splitter" you don't mean that, but just a passiveone-to-many connector, with output just copies of the input,like a power strip. That's what the metal box looks like. -- Keith_______________________________________________WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.orgTo unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.orgCreate Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/Web Forum/Archive: https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/OSDDL…

Sept. 7, 2023

Re: I need advice on a new ISP

by Keith Wright

Kevin Stratton via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > I am not sure how helpful this is, The Comcast technician that > installed my cable modem insisted that all the splitters be removed It might be very helpful. It explains why there are coax cables hanging out of the walls all over the house and more hanging from the basement ceiling, but almost none are connected at all. Somebody thought it would be a good idea to put a TV in every room, but it didn't work. > If you can find a cable that leaves the house, that is the cable you > should be most interested in. It's difficult to trace cables; they are all inside the walls, but I find one that comes out of the wall and goes into the the bottom of a small metal box. The front of the box has 8 coax connectors, but only one has a cable. That cable goes through the ceiling and out of the wall upstairs behind a big shelf that looks like a place to put a TV. I have a DSL splitter, which has the outside line going in and two outputs, one is voice the other digital. I think that by "splitter" you don't mean that, but just a passive one-to-many connector, with output just copies of the input, like a power strip. That's what the metal box looks like. -- Keith

Sept. 7, 2023

Re: Old DEC/Sun Video cables from late 1980s/early 90s

by Adam Rheaume

I help out at RICM (Computer Museum) I am sure they would love to have them. If you would like to donate them I can bring them down (also a tax write off if you wish to do that). Adam -----Original message----- From: Michael Voorhis via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> Sent: Thursday, September 7 2023, 10:43 am To: Worcester Linux Users' Group General Discussion <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> Cc: mvoorhis(a)mcvau.net <mvoorhis(a)mcvau.net> Subject: [WLUG] Old DEC/Sun Video cables from late 1980s/early 90s Hey all: This isn't necessarily a Linux-related post so apologies up front, but this seemed like a good forum in case someone has old computer hardware and is looking for such things, or knows someone in such a situation. I've come across a cache of old video cable from about 30 years ago, Sun and DEC cables (and one Apple cable). They might be difficult to obtain now. I'm not trying to sell these cables; ideally I'd like to get them into the hands of some historian trying to keep their old computer hardware working. Thanks; list of cables follows: 6x 13W3/M-to-13W3/M cables, two of them Sun-branded and four generic. Since the non-sun cables were found in the same box as the sun video cables I assume they're all sun-compatible. 4x 13W3/M-to-4BNC/M Sun video cables. Two still bagged, all Tatung-branded. Tatung once manufactured of "Generic" (i.e., less expensive) Sun UltraSPARC hardware. 4x LCC17/M-to-3BNC/M DEC-branded BC29G-09 video cables, for some sort of Vax- or DECStation monitors. 2x DB15/F-to-3BNC/M DEC-branded BC23J-03 video cables, for some sort of Vax- or DECstation. These two are in somewhat rough shape. 1x 13W3/M-to-DA15/M Apple video connector, for Apple Mac-2 or Quadra machines of the late 1980s. [end of list] _______________________________________________ WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ Web Forum/Archive: https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/IHSG7…

Sept. 7, 2023

Old DEC/Sun Video cables from late 1980s/early 90s

by Michael Voorhis

Hey all: This isn't necessarily a Linux-related post so apologies up front, but this seemed like a good forum in case someone has old computer hardware and is looking for such things, or knows someone in such a situation. I've come across a cache of old video cable from about 30 years ago, Sun and DEC cables (and one Apple cable). They might be difficult to obtain now. I'm not trying to sell these cables; ideally I'd like to get them into the hands of some historian trying to keep their old computer hardware working. Thanks; list of cables follows: 6x 13W3/M-to-13W3/M cables, two of them Sun-branded and four generic. Since the non-sun cables were found in the same box as the sun video cables I assume they're all sun-compatible. 4x 13W3/M-to-4BNC/M Sun video cables. Two still bagged, all Tatung-branded. Tatung once manufactured of "Generic" (i.e., less expensive) Sun UltraSPARC hardware. 4x LCC17/M-to-3BNC/M DEC-branded BC29G-09 video cables, for some sort of Vax- or DECStation monitors. 2x DB15/F-to-3BNC/M DEC-branded BC23J-03 video cables, for some sort of Vax- or DECstation. These two are in somewhat rough shape. 1x 13W3/M-to-DA15/M Apple video connector, for Apple Mac-2 or Quadra machines of the late 1980s. [end of list]

Sept. 7, 2023

Re: I need advice on a new ISP

by kevin.paetzold

I have cable at two houses. One is on the cape (Comcast). the other one is a local municipal cable systemComcast claimed there was too much Ingress coming from my house. They came into my house and pretty much replaced every piece of cable that I had outside of the walls. They also installed some kind of isolator amplifier unit (that requires power that I had to put on a UPS).I believe on the Comcast website for your account you can actually see how much noise they think you produce.On the municipal system I had an issue where my cable boxes were not working right. The first thing the guy did is removed every filter, splitter, trap and other doodad that previous technicians had put over 30 plus years.And then I got rid of all my cable channels at both houses :-) -------- Original message --------From: Kevin Stratton via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> Date: 9/6/23 08:38 (GMT-05:00) To: Worcester Linux Users' Group General Discussion <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> Cc: Keith Wright <kwright(a)keithdiane.us>, Kevin Stratton <kstratton(a)fastmail.us> Subject: [WLUG] Re: I need advice on a new ISP I am not sure how helpful this is, The Comcast technician that installed my cable modem insisted that all the splitters be removed so that there is only one cable (with connectors) from the cable going into the house to the modem. It is my understanding that this was done for signal integrity reasons. I am using a consumer router to interface to the modem. I do not know how TVs are wires using this configuration, since I only use over the air for TV.If you can find a cable that leaves the house, that is the cable you should be most interested in. Follow the cable once it gets inside a house. There is some art to this, I did not know of the cable being routed under a rug. Maybe you can do a perimeter walk of the house outside to find where the cable enters the house to localize the correct cable. I was surprised to learn where my cable was, it was not where logic said it would be.On 9/6/2023 12:23 AM, Keith Wright via WLUG wrote:> John Stoffel via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes:>>> For you, I suspect that in Worcester charter.net (spectrum.net) is>> your only other option for connectivity.> I am thinking of going that way.>>> Do you have Cable with them?> No. I don't own a television, but the previous owner of this house did,> and when I called Spectrum, they said that I do have a cable, it just> needs to be plugged in and activated. They suggested a self-install> kit, which can be picked up at the Spectrum store. That would be quick,> if it worked, but I foresee all kinds of possible problems.>> Of the many co-axial cables hanging out of the walls, how can I> tell which is the input? Most of them seem to be disconnected.>>> Once you get this figured out, then you can figure out how you will>> host your personal domain(s) and web services and such from either>> home, or out in the cloud.> For that, based upon Hosting Advice 2> http://www.free-comp-shop.com/none/final.html#adv2> I am looking at Afterbrst> https://afterburst.com/operating-systems/>> Has anybody had any experiance with Afterburst?>> I like them because Linux is their OS, and because a short> question got a quick answer which made sense, and I'm not> even a customer yet.>> My current ISP (GTT) thinks I want to read about their big> "milestone", which is a slightly different LOGO that they> call re-branding.>> I looked at Oracle Cloud, but it was page after page of "services"> with names like:> Block, Object, and Archive Storage; Load Balancer and data egress;> Monitoring and Notifications>> Huh? What's that and why do I need it? A few dozen pages of that> kind of bafflegab is enough for me. I could find no starting point.>> -- Keith>>>> _______________________________________________> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/> Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/> Web Forum/Archive: https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/AUKBV… mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.orgTo unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.orgCreate Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/Web Forum/Archive: https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/5N7OQ…

Sept. 6, 2023

Re: I need advice on a new ISP

by Tim Keller

Keith, I love the term bafflegab, it's the truth. Every cloud provider has preferred names for things that should just be named sensibly. This doc gives a good overview on how to setup a web server. https://docs.oracle.com/en/learn/lab_compute_instance/index.html#connect-to… Basically you create a VM "compute" in their parlance, deploy your favorite web server, copy your HTML over, DNS shenanigans and away you go. you'll also need to modify the security settings on the private network that your VM is running on to give it a public IP and allow port 80 in. You're not going to need a load balancer, etc.. Tim. On Wed, Sep 6, 2023 at 8:38 AM Kevin Stratton via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > I am not sure how helpful this is, The Comcast technician that installed > my cable modem insisted that all the splitters be removed so that there > is only one cable (with connectors) from the cable going into the house > to the modem. It is my understanding that this was done for signal > integrity reasons. I am using a consumer router to interface to the > modem. I do not know how TVs are wires using this configuration, since > I only use over the air for TV. > > If you can find a cable that leaves the house, that is the cable you > should be most interested in. Follow the cable once it gets inside a > house. There is some art to this, I did not know of the cable being > routed under a rug. Maybe you can do a perimeter walk of the house > outside to find where the cable enters the house to localize the correct > cable. I was surprised to learn where my cable was, it was not where > logic said it would be. > > On 9/6/2023 12:23 AM, Keith Wright via WLUG wrote: > > John Stoffel via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > > > >> For you, I suspect that in Worcester charter.net (spectrum.net) is > >> your only other option for connectivity. > > I am thinking of going that way. > > > >> Do you have Cable with them? > > No. I don't own a television, but the previous owner of this house did, > > and when I called Spectrum, they said that I do have a cable, it just > > needs to be plugged in and activated. They suggested a self-install > > kit, which can be picked up at the Spectrum store. That would be quick, > > if it worked, but I foresee all kinds of possible problems. > > > > Of the many co-axial cables hanging out of the walls, how can I > > tell which is the input? Most of them seem to be disconnected. > > > >> Once you get this figured out, then you can figure out how you will > >> host your personal domain(s) and web services and such from either > >> home, or out in the cloud. > > For that, based upon Hosting Advice 2 > > http://www.free-comp-shop.com/none/final.html#adv2 > > I am looking at Afterbrst > > https://afterburst.com/operating-systems/ > > > > Has anybody had any experiance with Afterburst? > > > > I like them because Linux is their OS, and because a short > > question got a quick answer which made sense, and I'm not > > even a customer yet. > > > > My current ISP (GTT) thinks I want to read about their big > > "milestone", which is a slightly different LOGO that they > > call re-branding. > > > > I looked at Oracle Cloud, but it was page after page of "services" > > with names like: > > Block, Object, and Archive Storage; Load Balancer and data egress; > > Monitoring and Notifications > > > > Huh? What's that and why do I need it? A few dozen pages of that > > kind of bafflegab is enough for me. I could find no starting point. > > > > -- Keith > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/AUKBV… > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/5N7OQ… > -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

Sept. 6, 2023

Re: I need advice on a new ISP

by Kevin Stratton

I am not sure how helpful this is, The Comcast technician that installed my cable modem insisted that all the splitters be removed so that there is only one cable (with connectors) from the cable going into the house to the modem. It is my understanding that this was done for signal integrity reasons. I am using a consumer router to interface to the modem. I do not know how TVs are wires using this configuration, since I only use over the air for TV. If you can find a cable that leaves the house, that is the cable you should be most interested in. Follow the cable once it gets inside a house. There is some art to this, I did not know of the cable being routed under a rug. Maybe you can do a perimeter walk of the house outside to find where the cable enters the house to localize the correct cable. I was surprised to learn where my cable was, it was not where logic said it would be. On 9/6/2023 12:23 AM, Keith Wright via WLUG wrote: > John Stoffel via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > >> For you, I suspect that in Worcester charter.net (spectrum.net) is >> your only other option for connectivity. > I am thinking of going that way. > >> Do you have Cable with them? > No. I don't own a television, but the previous owner of this house did, > and when I called Spectrum, they said that I do have a cable, it just > needs to be plugged in and activated. They suggested a self-install > kit, which can be picked up at the Spectrum store. That would be quick, > if it worked, but I foresee all kinds of possible problems. > > Of the many co-axial cables hanging out of the walls, how can I > tell which is the input? Most of them seem to be disconnected. > >> Once you get this figured out, then you can figure out how you will >> host your personal domain(s) and web services and such from either >> home, or out in the cloud. > For that, based upon Hosting Advice 2 > http://www.free-comp-shop.com/none/final.html#adv2 > I am looking at Afterbrst > https://afterburst.com/operating-systems/ > > Has anybody had any experiance with Afterburst? > > I like them because Linux is their OS, and because a short > question got a quick answer which made sense, and I'm not > even a customer yet. > > My current ISP (GTT) thinks I want to read about their big > "milestone", which is a slightly different LOGO that they > call re-branding. > > I looked at Oracle Cloud, but it was page after page of "services" > with names like: > Block, Object, and Archive Storage; Load Balancer and data egress; > Monitoring and Notifications > > Huh? What's that and why do I need it? A few dozen pages of that > kind of bafflegab is enough for me. I could find no starting point. > > -- Keith > > > > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/AUKBV…

Sept. 6, 2023

Re: I need advice on a new ISP

by Keith Wright

John Stoffel via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > For you, I suspect that in Worcester charter.net (spectrum.net) is > your only other option for connectivity. I am thinking of going that way. > Do you have Cable with them? No. I don't own a television, but the previous owner of this house did, and when I called Spectrum, they said that I do have a cable, it just needs to be plugged in and activated. They suggested a self-install kit, which can be picked up at the Spectrum store. That would be quick, if it worked, but I foresee all kinds of possible problems. Of the many co-axial cables hanging out of the walls, how can I tell which is the input? Most of them seem to be disconnected. > Once you get this figured out, then you can figure out how you will > host your personal domain(s) and web services and such from either > home, or out in the cloud. For that, based upon Hosting Advice 2 http://www.free-comp-shop.com/none/final.html#adv2 I am looking at Afterbrst https://afterburst.com/operating-systems/ Has anybody had any experiance with Afterburst? I like them because Linux is their OS, and because a short question got a quick answer which made sense, and I'm not even a customer yet. My current ISP (GTT) thinks I want to read about their big "milestone", which is a slightly different LOGO that they call re-branding. I looked at Oracle Cloud, but it was page after page of "services" with names like: Block, Object, and Archive Storage; Load Balancer and data egress; Monitoring and Notifications Huh? What's that and why do I need it? A few dozen pages of that kind of bafflegab is enough for me. I could find no starting point. -- Keith

Sept. 6, 2023

Re: [EXT] Displays for the needy

by Bacon, John

If you are looking to E-Cycle them, you can bring them to Exhausted Metals on Franklin St across from David & Clark. The owner is Luke and John. They will also pay you as well. John Bacon WORCESTER POLYTECHNIC INSTITUTE Network Services 100 Institute Road Worcester, MA | 01609-2280 508-831-5000 -----Original Message----- From: David Glaser via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2023 7:58 PM To: Worcester Linux Users' Group General Discussion <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> Cc: David Glaser <dglaser(a)glaserresearch.net> Subject: [EXT] [WLUG] Displays for the needy Hi Folks, I'm helping with the cleanup of a house that was owned by the deceased parents of a friend of mine. So far I have found 8 flat panel displays and at lease 40 hard drives (IDE/Parallel-ATA). I also found some all-in-one computers (display with a built in pc). Is there an organization here in the Worcester area (or environs) that can make use of them? Otherwise, I am going to trash them. Regards David Glaser -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com/ _______________________________________________ WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ Web Forum/Archive: https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/QOPVU…

Aug. 21, 2023

Re: Displays for the needy

by Kevin Harrington

If nothing else, the technocopia free shelf is a good way to see if someone wants one. Also the Westbourough Recycling Center will take them not as trash, but as resources for others. On Sun, Aug 20, 2023, 7:58 PM David Glaser via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > Hi Folks, > > I'm helping with the cleanup of a house that was owned by the deceased > parents of a friend of mine. > > So far I have found 8 flat panel displays and at lease 40 hard drives > (IDE/Parallel-ATA). I also found some all-in-one computers (display > with a built in pc). > > Is there an organization here in the Worcester area (or environs) that > can make use of them? > > Otherwise, I am going to trash them. > > Regards > > David Glaser > > > -- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > www.avast.com > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/QOPVU… >

Aug. 21, 2023

Displays for the needy

by David Glaser

Hi Folks, I'm helping with the cleanup of a house that was owned by the deceased parents of a friend of mine. So far I have found 8 flat panel displays and at lease 40 hard drives (IDE/Parallel-ATA). I also found some all-in-one computers (display with a built in pc). Is there an organization here in the Worcester area (or environs) that can make use of them? Otherwise, I am going to trash them. Regards David Glaser -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. www.avast.com

Aug. 20, 2023

(virtual BostonLinux BLU Wed Aug16 6:30-9pm?) AlmaLinux OS

by Doug Mildram

Decades (199x-2010) before I found wlug/WPI/you!, I'd (rarely..road wimp, became too lazy,etc..) go to MIT/Cambridge for geek-meetings that a UNIX SysAdmin --> linux-lover might enjoy. I stopped attending their meetings decades ago, but I kept listening quietly to the "discuss" (primary email thread/list of BLU) that I think it morphed into: Boston Linux and Unix http://www.blu.org (trivia: "Announce" includes "Discuss" list, which I get in digest, so a dozen+week becomes sm handful per week. TMI,but see also http://www.blu.org/about_blu/ for a hint at BLU history + leaders. HEAR YE and cool/modern format(s): BLU Meetings, at least some like THIS WEEK's, allow you to --- ATTEND and be yourself? LIVE, with Jitsi, see below, or --- PEEP apparently live and/or later ? with YouTube Live Stream, also below. So this month/week's topic would be new-to-me! Almost-too-timely if you're into Enterprise/RedHat, it seems. Comments and corrections welcome in advance about Alma, or BLU... I know a couple of you (Chuck and who else?) listen(ed) to BLU/discuss! -doug EMAIL ANNOUNCEMENT via "discuss" list: Tue, 15 Aug 2023 From: Jerry Feldman via Announce <announce(a)lists.blu.org> To: BLU Announce <announce(a)blu.org> Cc: Greater New Hampshire LUG <gnhlug-discuss(a)gnhlug.org> Subject: [Discuss] Boston Linux VIRTUAL Meeting , Wednesday, August 16, 2023 - AlmaLinux OS EVENT: When: August 16, 2023 7:00PM EDT (6:30PM for Q&A) Topic: AlmaLinux OS Speaker: Benny Vasquez Chair of Board of Directors, AlmaLinux (attending Maybe) AND Jack Aboutboul Community Manager for AlmaLinux (definitely attending:spkr) Location: Online: https://meet.jit.si/blu.org Live stream: https://youtube.com/live/a1t2emQp46Q?feature=share Summary: Overview of AlmaLinux OS Abstract: AlmaLinux OS is an Open Source, community owned and governed, forever-free enterprise Linux distribution, focused on long-term stability, providing a robust production-grade platform. AlmaLinux OS is ABI compatible with RHEL. Alma Linux Foundation: https://almalinux.org/

Aug. 15, 2023

Re: Reminder! Meeting tonight at Technocopia! Time: 7pm!

by John Stoffel

>>>>> "John" == John Stoffel <john(a)stoffel.org> writes: > Brandon showed me an interesting MFA token, with small buttons for a Brendan! Duh... > pin to allow access to the MFA token when you plug it into a USB > port. But I forgot the name of it. Can someone share that with me? > John

Aug. 15, 2023

Re: Reminder! Meeting tonight at Technocopia! Time: 7pm!

by John Stoffel

Also, Brandon showed me an interesting MFA token, with small buttons for a pin to allow access to the MFA token when you plug it into a USB port. But I forgot the name of it. Can someone share that with me? John

Aug. 14, 2023

Re: [EXT] Hierarchical note taking, Joplin, Trilium, browser extensions, etc..

by John Stoffel

>>>>> "Tim" == Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > The "storing my notes in some sensible format" is high on my list of features. Same here. Currently I have a directory with a pile of files in there and I use grep alot, and emacs (sometimes VIM) to edit my notes. Saves my ass all the time, but doens't scale well. > Calle can speak more directly to her needs, but for me I have this > giant never ending emacs buffer that's a tangle of web links, > snippets of text, random "oh cool ansible" one off commands, etc. > It's not scalable, it's on one machine and it lacks good meta data > around the entries.. what I can do is say "what were all the links I > went to two weeks ago?" I don't bother with the web snippets, I just mostly leave tabs open forever. :-) And I have a ton of half written web interfaces, python scripts, old emails saved in VM format mailbox files,etc. I need to move them to maildir format at some time, but even now it's useful enough to grep through (sometimes I use glimpse) and them run less, or visit the mail file with 'vm' in emacs to view the data. > Right now I have the equivalent of the pile of somewhat searchable > paper two feet high. *only* two feet? I think mine is two *miles* high! > I've tried to use confluence at work and that product is a > horrendous priece of shit. Most products are, because GUIs sell due to the low learning curve. But they're *slow* to interact with. Why do you think MS finally made powershell and people love ansible and other tools like that? Because GUI work doesn't scale. If you take the time to get over the learnign curve, keyboard shortcuts are the way to productivity. And that's why I still write these emails in 'vm' on emacs in an SSH connection. Just so much faster and simpler. But viewing GUI images sucks... John

Aug. 14, 2023

Re: Reminder! Meeting tonight at Technocopia! Time: 7pm!

by Jeff Moyer

John Stoffel via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > - We also talked about how to pass through NVidia graphics cards into > VMs, so you can get better rendering performance, and all the > issues, tradeoffs and outright problems of doing this. I'm interested in hearing more about this. I recently gave this a try (I want to use a VM as my work desktop), and it took quite a lot of research and trial and error in order to come up with a working configuration. I setup the system boot off of integrated AMD graphics and automatically start a VM on the nvidia adapter. I pass through the keyboard and mouse via evdev (without evdev, the mouse is practically unusable). This works ok, so long as I don't want to use the host system(!). I'm using the nouveau driver, and that also has issues if I switch inputs on my monitor (as in, my graphical display will cease to exist). How do others set this up? Does anyone have a configuration they are happy with? -Jeff

Aug. 14, 2023

Re: [EXT] Hierarchical note taking, Joplin, Trilium, browser extensions, etc..

by Tim Keller

The "storing my notes in some sensible format" is high on my list of features. Calle can speak more directly to her needs, but for me I have this giant never ending emacs buffer that's a tangle of web links, snippets of text, random "oh cool ansible" one off commands, etc. It's not scalable, it's on one machine and it lacks good meta data around the entries.. what I can do is say "what were all the links I went to two weeks ago?" Right now I have the equivalent of the pile of somewhat searchable paper two feet high. I've tried to use confluence at work and that product is a horrendous priece of shit. Tim. On Fri, Aug 11, 2023, 11:06 PM Krichevsky, Nicholas via WLUG < wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > It's not open source, but I use Obsidian at work. That said, it stores all > the notes as markdown files on disk, so even if the company were to go up > in flames, you can still access your notes > > Get Outlook for Android <https://aka.ms/AAb9ysg> > ------------------------------ > *From:* Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> > *Sent:* Friday, August 11, 2023 9:31:31 PM > *To:* Worcester Linux Users' Group General Discussion <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > > > *Cc:* Tim Keller <turbofx(a)gmail.com> > *Subject:* [EXT] [WLUG] Hierarchical note taking, Joplin, Trilium, > browser extensions, etc.. > > At last night's meeting, a new attendee brought up a problem she was > having and one of the solutions that got bandied about was Joplin. > > After doing some research, this might be my new note taking app. > Another very interesting FOSS tool out there is called "Trilium" > https://github.com/zadam/trilium > > As much as I like google's keep.. I'm fully aware that google capable of > just pulling the rug out from under me in a moment's notice. > > I've spun up U22.04.3 server and I'm going to tinker with Joplin and > possibly Trilium and let people know what I think of them. > > Tim. > > -- > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their > constituents as "consumers". > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/55SLG… >

Aug. 12, 2023

Re: [EXT] Hierarchical note taking, Joplin, Trilium, browser extensions, etc..

by Krichevsky, Nicholas

It's not open source, but I use Obsidian at work. That said, it stores all the notes as markdown files on disk, so even if the company were to go up in flames, you can still access your notes Get Outlook for Android<https://aka.ms/AAb9ysg> ________________________________ From: Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> Sent: Friday, August 11, 2023 9:31:31 PM To: Worcester Linux Users' Group General Discussion <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> Cc: Tim Keller <turbofx(a)gmail.com> Subject: [EXT] [WLUG] Hierarchical note taking, Joplin, Trilium, browser extensions, etc.. At last night's meeting, a new attendee brought up a problem she was having and one of the solutions that got bandied about was Joplin. After doing some research, this might be my new note taking app. Another very interesting FOSS tool out there is called "Trilium" https://github.com/zadam/trilium As much as I like google's keep.. I'm fully aware that google capable of just pulling the rug out from under me in a moment's notice. I've spun up U22.04.3 server and I'm going to tinker with Joplin and possibly Trilium and let people know what I think of them. Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

Aug. 12, 2023

Hierarchical note taking, Joplin, Trilium, browser extensions, etc..

by Tim Keller

At last night's meeting, a new attendee brought up a problem she was having and one of the solutions that got bandied about was Joplin. After doing some research, this might be my new note taking app. Another very interesting FOSS tool out there is called "Trilium" https://github.com/zadam/trilium As much as I like google's keep.. I'm fully aware that google capable of just pulling the rug out from under me in a moment's notice. I've spun up U22.04.3 server and I'm going to tinker with Joplin and possibly Trilium and let people know what I think of them. Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

Aug. 12, 2023

Re: Reminder! Meeting tonight at Technocopia! Time: 7pm!

by John Stoffel

Oh, another thing we talked about at Dinner afterwards was Core Rope Memory on the apollo spacecraft. Here's a fun read for all you techies out there: http://www.righto.com/2019/07/software-woven-into-wire-core-rope-and.html And in general, this is a great blog as well. Also, look at the "Curious Marc" youtube channel if you get a chance. Amazing work on bringing back old Apollo Comms and other old hardware. John

Aug. 11, 2023

Re: Reminder! Meeting tonight at Technocopia! Time: 7pm!

by David Glaser

John, Good summary. Thank you. -David On 8/11/2023 8:49 AM, John Stoffel via WLUG wrote: > Guys, > > I hope the remote crew found using the Owl to be helpful and useful. > Technocopia is a bit louder than other spaces we've used, but the > energy is just great. > > [snipped a lot of text] -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. www.avast.com

Aug. 11, 2023

Re: Reminder! Meeting tonight at Technocopia! Time: 7pm!

by John Stoffel

Guys, I hope the remote crew found using the Owl to be helpful and useful. Technocopia is a bit louder than other spaces we've used, but the energy is just great. Some of the discussion subjects last night included: - using emacs to interface into a system to track documents and meta-data. This is a personal issue for me too since I have close to 30 years of emails to search through at times. I use a tool called 'glimpse' which is old. Think of it as grep on steroids. First you have to index your docuemnt store, then you search against the index. It does support re-indexing and updating, so you don't have to do a full scan again. Someone mentioned "booyah" as an alternative, but I think that's a false lead. Glimpse is in alot of linux distros, or you can find the source (or a version of the source) here on github: https://github.com/gvelez17/glimpse/tree/master - We then talked about how do you group documents once you've indexed them, since you'd like to find similar documents. This is a hard thing to do. I've been looking on and off for over 15 years and haven't found anything good yet. I'll keep looking, and would love to see other solutions. I don't want something in the cloud, I'd prefer a CLI based interface, and some way to tag or annotate docs with metadata. IDeally in an automated way, but I personally haven't found anything quite yet. I should try to write something, but elisp (or lisp in general) just doesn't grok in my brain. I could try something in perl or python I guess. Lots of tools there. - Thne Kevin hijacked the meeting and gave us a demo of BowlerStudio, which is just amazing work from (mostly) Kevin in terms of what it offers. Very cool. https://commonwealthrobotics.com/ to do a download and run some tutorials. I hope to get around to this in the future myself. - We also talked about how to pass through NVidia graphics cards into VMs, so you can get better rendering performance, and all the issues, tradeoffs and outright problems of doing this. So anyways, a good meeting, lots of random talking and networking. Hope more can make the next meeting in september in person! John

Aug. 11, 2023

Re: FYI - Article about Framework brand laptop

by Robert Krawitz

On 8/10/23 19:54, Aljerin Butler,Jr. via WLUG wrote: > Need help with that job search What does that have to do with my comment? > On Wednesday, August 9, 2023 at 05:46:57 PM EDT, Robert Krawitz via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > On 8/9/23 12:23, John Stoffel via WLUG wrote: >>>>>>> "Dennis" == Dennis Payne via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org <mailto:wlug@lists.wlug.org>> writes: >> >>> I preordered a Framework 16 laptop. The hope is that I have a job >>> before the full bill is due. I managed to get into Batch 3 (late >>> Q4). They are currently up to Batch 10. >> >> I've been seriously impressed by those laptops. I'd personally want >> to get an AMD CPU if I could, and when I could. Not in the market >> right now since $WORK gives me a laptop to play with.... > > Definitely looks interesting. It would be really interesting with a 4K screen and plenty of storage > bays (would really like some SATA options for my existing SATA 2.5" drives).

Aug. 11, 2023

Re: FYI - Article about Framework brand laptop

by Aljerin Butler,Jr.

Need help with that job search? Al Butler On Wednesday, August 9, 2023 at 05:46:57 PM EDT, Robert Krawitz via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: On 8/9/23 12:23, John Stoffel via WLUG wrote: >>>>>> "Dennis" == Dennis Payne via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > >> I preordered a Framework 16 laptop. The hope is that I have a job >> before the full bill is due. I managed to get into Batch 3 (late >> Q4). They are currently up to Batch 10. > > I've been seriously impressed by those laptops. I'd personally want > to get an AMD CPU if I could, and when I could. Not in the market > right now since $WORK gives me a laptop to play with.... Definitely looks interesting. It would be really interesting with a 4K screen and plenty of storage bays (would really like some SATA options for my existing SATA 2.5" drives). _______________________________________________ WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ Web Forum/Archive: https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/ZQB52…

Aug. 10, 2023

Reminder! Meeting tonight at Technocopia! Time: 7pm!

by Tim Keller

Hey Everybody, We've got a meeting tonight! Location: Technocopia in Worcester: 44 Portland St, Worcester, MA 01608 Virtual Location: https://meet.jit.si/WlugMA As for a topic, I haven't really thought one up, but I'm just sure stuff will come up! I'd love people's ideas for what to install on a chromebook that's no longer taking updates.. Bunsenlabs looks promising.. I'll bring snacks and refreshments and afterwards we'll head off for dinner! Later, Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

Aug. 10, 2023

Re: Meeting Aug 10th at Technocopia at 7pm!

by THE HAMMER

Sadly, I will not make it. If I can might pop in virtually for a bit at least Ron ________________________________ From: Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> Sent: Wednesday, August 9, 2023 5:26 PM To: Worcester Linux Users' Group General Discussion <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> Cc: Tim Keller <turbofx(a)gmail.com> Subject: [WLUG] Meeting tomorrow at Technocopia at 7pm! Hey Everybody! I know we were just there.. but getting back onto our schedule of the 2nd Thursday of the month means we'll eventually have two meetings close together. Date: August 10th, 2023 Time: 7pm Location: Technocopia in Worcester: 44 Portland St, Worcester, MA 01608 Virtual Location: https://meet.jit.si/WlugMA As for a topic, I haven't really thought one up, but I'm just sure stuff will come up! I'd love people's ideas for what to install on a chromebook that's no longer taking updates.. Bunsenlabs looks promising.. I'll bring snacks and refreshments and afterwards we'll head off for dinner! Later, Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

Aug. 10, 2023

Re: Meeting tomorrow at Technocopia at 7pm!

by Kevin Stratton

I hope to make it to the virtual site. My linux interests are broad. It is just a hobby, not my vocation. On 8/9/2023 5:26 PM, Tim Keller via WLUG wrote: > Hey Everybody! > > I know we were just there.. but getting back onto our schedule of the > 2nd Thursday of the month means we'll eventually have two meetings > close together. > > Date: August 10th, 2023 > Time: 7pm > Location: Technocopia in Worcester: 44 Portland St, Worcester, MA 01608 > Virtual Location: https://meet.jit.si/WlugMA > > As for a topic, I haven't really thought one up, but I'm just sure > stuff will come up! > I'd love people's ideas for what to install on a chromebook that's no > longer taking updates.. Bunsenlabs looks promising.. > > I'll bring snacks and refreshments and afterwards we'll head off for > dinner! > > Later, > Tim. > > -- > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their > constituents as "consumers". > > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list --wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email towlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account:https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings:https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive:https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org…

Aug. 10, 2023

Re: Meeting tomorrow at Technocopia at 7pm!

by John Stoffel

>>>>> "Tim" == Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > Date: August 10th, 2023 > Time: 7pm > Location: Technocopia in Worcester: 44 Portland St, Worcester, MA 01608 > Virtual Location: https://meet.jit.si/WlugMA I'll be there tonight, looking forward to it! > As for a topic, I haven't really thought one up, but I'm just sure > stuff will come up! I'd love people's ideas for what to install on > a chromebook that's no longer taking updates.. Bunsenlabs looks > promising.. Dang, I could have taken my in-laws' old 32bit Chrome book which I just retired to use as a demo. It's a ten year old machine which just worked for my mother-in-law for years. Best investment I ever made computer wise. Well... I got alot of use out of my Amigas too. :-) > I'll bring snacks and refreshments and afterwards we'll head off for > dinner! Great.

Aug. 10, 2023

Meeting tomorrow at Technocopia at 7pm!

by Tim Keller

Hey Everybody! I know we were just there.. but getting back onto our schedule of the 2nd Thursday of the month means we'll eventually have two meetings close together. Date: August 10th, 2023 Time: 7pm Location: Technocopia in Worcester: 44 Portland St, Worcester, MA 01608 Virtual Location: https://meet.jit.si/WlugMA As for a topic, I haven't really thought one up, but I'm just sure stuff will come up! I'd love people's ideas for what to install on a chromebook that's no longer taking updates.. Bunsenlabs looks promising.. I'll bring snacks and refreshments and afterwards we'll head off for dinner! Later, Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

Aug. 9, 2023

Re: FYI - Article about Framework brand laptop

by Robert Krawitz

On 8/9/23 12:23, John Stoffel via WLUG wrote: >>>>>> "Dennis" == Dennis Payne via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > >> I preordered a Framework 16 laptop. The hope is that I have a job >> before the full bill is due. I managed to get into Batch 3 (late >> Q4). They are currently up to Batch 10. > > I've been seriously impressed by those laptops. I'd personally want > to get an AMD CPU if I could, and when I could. Not in the market > right now since $WORK gives me a laptop to play with.... Definitely looks interesting. It would be really interesting with a 4K screen and plenty of storage bays (would really like some SATA options for my existing SATA 2.5" drives).

Aug. 9, 2023

Re: FYI - Article about Framework brand laptop

by John Stoffel

>>>>> "Dennis" == Dennis Payne via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > I preordered a Framework 16 laptop. The hope is that I have a job > before the full bill is due. I managed to get into Batch 3 (late > Q4). They are currently up to Batch 10. I've been seriously impressed by those laptops. I'd personally want to get an AMD CPU if I could, and when I could. Not in the market right now since $WORK gives me a laptop to play with....

Aug. 9, 2023

Re: [EXT] Re: FYI - Article about Framework brand laptop

by Krichevsky, Nicholas

I pre-ordered an AMD 13, batch 4. Looking forward to it!! Get Outlook for Android<https://aka.ms/AAb9ysg> ________________________________ From: Dennis Payne via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> Sent: Wednesday, August 9, 2023 9:42:38 AM To: Worcester Linux Users' Group General Discussion <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> Cc: David Glaser <dglaser(a)glaserresearch.net>; John Stoffel <john(a)stoffel.org>; Dennis Payne <dulsi(a)identicalsoftware.com> Subject: [EXT] [WLUG] Re: FYI - Article about Framework brand laptop I preordered a Framework 16 laptop. The hope is that I have a job before the full bill is due. I managed to get into Batch 3 (late Q4). They are currently up to Batch 10. -- Dennis Payne dulsi(a)identicalsoftware.com https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fmastodon.…<https://mastodon.gamedev.place/@dulsi> _______________________________________________ WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org Create Account: https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwlug.mail…<https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/> Change Settings: https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwlug.mail…<https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/> Web Forum/Archive: https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwlug.mail…<https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/HFASN…>

Aug. 9, 2023

Re: FYI - Article about Framework brand laptop

by Dennis Payne

I preordered a Framework 16 laptop. The hope is that I have a job before the full bill is due. I managed to get into Batch 3 (late Q4). They are currently up to Batch 10. -- Dennis Payne dulsi(a)identicalsoftware.com https://mastodon.gamedev.place/@dulsi

Aug. 9, 2023

Re: WLUG Meeting this month!

by hammerron

I am also happy either way. My own issue is that due to my work schedule, I often don't know until the last minute if I can attend. On 8/7/23 16:51, Tim Keller via WLUG wrote: > Hey Gang! > > If we go back to our normal schedule we'll be at Technopia this Thursday. > > Would that work for people or would next Thursday work? > > Thanks, > Tim. > > -- > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their > constituents as "consumers". > > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list --wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email towlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account:https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings:https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive:https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org…

Aug. 9, 2023

Re: WLUG Meeting this month!

by John Stoffel

>>>>> "Tim" == Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > If we go back to our normal schedule we'll be at Technopia this > Thursday. > Would that work for people or would next Thursday work? I'm happy either way. Does anyone attending have a camera we could use instead of a laptop? I can bring one if need be. Logistech C920, which works well.

Aug. 8, 2023

Re: FYI - Article about Framework brand laptop

by John Stoffel

>>>>> "David" == David Glaser via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2023/08/turning-my-framework-laptop-into-a-… I saw that article, it was really interesting. :-)

Aug. 8, 2023

WLUG Meeting this month!

by Tim Keller

Hey Gang! If we go back to our normal schedule we'll be at Technopia this Thursday. Would that work for people or would next Thursday work? Thanks, Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

Aug. 7, 2023

FYI - Article about Framework brand laptop

by David Glaser

FYI https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2023/08/turning-my-framework-laptop-into-a-… -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. www.avast.com

Aug. 7, 2023

Re: Questions on Technocopia

by THE HAMMER

Kevin, Thanks much for the info. I don't usually bring a laptop, but figure it's a nice option. Good to know that you have such good battery support. It would make a trilobite smile 🙂 Ron ________________________________ From: Kevin Harrington <mad.hephaestus(a)gmail.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 1, 2023 8:25 AM To: Worcester Linux Users' Group General Discussion <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> Cc: hammerron <hammerron(a)hotmail.com> Subject: Re: [WLUG] Questions on Technocopia Yes food and drink are allowed. The class room has lots of plugs along the walls, although bringing out some extra power strips can also happen. We support back to Cambrian era, so Mezozoic is no problem ;). Precambrian however you are going to need to bring your own microscope. On Tue, Aug 1, 2023, 7:32 AM hammerron via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org<mailto:wlug@lists.wlug.org>> wrote: These questions may be more directed at Tim, or Kevin (if he gets these emails): Does Technopia allow food and drink? Would rooms for any future WLUG meetings there have access to AC outlets for laptops with Mesozoic age batteries that won't hold a charge? Ron _______________________________________________ WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org<mailto:wlug@lists.wlug.org> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org<mailto:wlug-leave@lists.wlug.org> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ Web Forum/Archive: https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/YMYH4…

Aug. 1, 2023

Re: Questions on Technocopia

by Kevin Harrington

Yes food and drink are allowed. The class room has lots of plugs along the walls, although bringing out some extra power strips can also happen. We support back to Cambrian era, so Mezozoic is no problem ;). Precambrian however you are going to need to bring your own microscope. On Tue, Aug 1, 2023, 7:32 AM hammerron via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > These questions may be more directed at Tim, or Kevin (if he gets these > emails): > > Does Technopia allow food and drink? > > Would rooms for any future WLUG meetings there have access to AC outlets > for laptops with Mesozoic age batteries that won't hold a charge? > > Ron > > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/YMYH4… >

Aug. 1, 2023

Questions on Technocopia

by hammerron

These questions may be more directed at Tim, or Kevin (if he gets these emails): Does Technopia allow food and drink? Would rooms for any future WLUG meetings there have access to AC outlets for laptops with Mesozoic age batteries that won't hold a charge? Ron

Aug. 1, 2023

Re: WLUG Meeting next week! July 13th 2023.. Tentative topic is keyboards, RedHat.

by Jon "maddog" Hall

Hello, Re: Red Hat and IBM Several weeks ago IBM and Red Hat announced a change to their business licenses for RHEL. Several pundits wrote their opinions about these changes. I carefully read most of them, but I felt some concepts were missing. So I took my time and wrote my thoughts on it. I wrote to you in the middle of writing this article that I would share it with you when it was finished. I will warn you that the article is long. Very long. It is not the article of the TicTok generation, or even the Instagram generation. It is not an article for the faint of heart, but I think it does give a lot of insight into the development of software as an industry, binary-only code and why it happened, Open Source and Free Software. I have shared this with several people who, like me, have been around a "long time", and now I share it with you. Don't look for finger wagging here. Customers will decide what direction they want to go. https://www.lpi.org/blog/2023/07/30/ibm-red-hat-and-free-software-an-old-ma… Regards, md On Thu, Jul 6, 2023 at 1:22 PM Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > While not entirely linux related, keyboard preference is something that we > all have opinions on. > I'll bring along a couple interesting keyboards that play nicely with > linux. > > I know we'll definitely talk about the the RedHat decision as well. It'll > be interesting to get Joshua's perspective on this as well. > > I'm still working out a location on the WPI campus, I'll let everybody > know when I get more details. > > Thanks, > Tim. > > > -- > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their > constituents as "consumers". > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/BGQUS… >

July 30, 2023

Happy Sysadmin Day

by Tim Keller

Happy Sysadmin day! Later, Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

July 28, 2023

Installing ubuntu on a mac..

by Tim Keller

So funny enough another Mac fell into my lap and our success with Matt's mac encouraged me to get U22.04 installed on a 2014 macbook pro.. I tried to install using Ventoy only to hit this issue: https://github.com/ventoy/Ventoy/issues/52 I ended up writing the ISO directly to my scratch stick and installing from there. Just a heads up if you end up tripping on this. Thanks, Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

July 26, 2023

Lab bench giveaway

by John Stoffel

Hi all, I've got an 8' lab bench to give away, but I need it picked up this week at the latest. It's 8'w x 30"d by dunno.. 40" high? I can get better numbers. It weighs a ton, is super solid, and has stainging and some imperfections. It's been in my garage for years and shows it. Any takers? I'll be posting to my town (Boylson) freebie group later tonight. Please email me or TEXT my number befow. John john(a)stoffel.org 508-736-5499

July 24, 2023

Re: Red Hat controversy

by Joshua Stone

Ron, I hope you find the videos helpful! I think they summarize the issue better than I ever could. Jon, I look forward to seeing your write-up on this issue! I think a lot of the responses I've seen so far are understandable -- Red Hat has an image of being a pioneer in open source development, and closing up source code publication to anyone who isn't a customer is unprecedented and seemingly comes in direct conflict with Red Hat's goals. This is such a controversial development that there's an ongoing Wikipedia discussion on whether RHEL is even considered open-source or is violating the GPL: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Red_Hat_Enterprise_Linux#RfC_about_the_s… That being said, I think the community at large may be having a knee-jerk reaction to this news, which isn't helped at all by Red Hat's fairly poor PR handling. We might just need time to come to an understanding. Red Hat is continuing to contribute engineering resources and infrastructure hosting to open source projects as usual, but it'll be shifting focus toward CentOS Stream development instead of facilitating the proliferation of RHEL clones that inevitably end up directly competing with RHEL. - Josh On Fri, Jul 21, 2023 at 12:29 PM Jon "maddog" Hall < jon.maddog.hall(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Hi, > > I have been writing up a response to this that goes much deeper into the > discussion than most articles I have read have done. Because I have been > busy doing other things (Board Chair of the Linux Professional Institute, > defending the Linux Trademark AGAIN, doing virtual presentations and > preparing for a long trip to Latin America) I have not had time to finish > it, but I should be able to finish it this weekend. I have given drafts > to other LPI board members, many of whom have been in the FOSS space almost > as long as I have and some have been in the computer space....no...few > people have been in that space as long as I have. So far the comments have > been good, some saying it was "great". > > When it is finished I will post it to the LPI blog (free for everyone to > read) and let you guys know. I would also be happy to talk about it in > great depth at a WLUG meeting. > > Spoiler Alert: There is no evil here, and out of it could come great > good. > > Warmest regards, > > md > > On Fri, Jul 21, 2023 at 8:25 AM Joshua Stone via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> > wrote: > >> Hey everyone, >> >> I didn't talk about the Red Hat controversy at last night's meeting, >> namely the decision to stop publishing RHEL sources to git.centos.org >> <https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/furthering-evolution-centos-stream> and >> the implications this has on the various RHEL clones. >> >> If there's anyone still interested in hearing about the rationale behind >> this recent decision and the response that's created from clone makers, >> then I recommend listening to the following Linux Unplugged episodes: >> >> Caught Red-Hatted | LINUX Unplugged 517 (timestamp 00:08:39): >> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ra-mXDI-keo >> >> The Clone Grift Wars | LINUX Unplugged 519 (timestamp 00:06:02) >> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RdYn_xlOma4 >> >> I hope that brings some much-needed context to the discussion. >> >> - Josh >> _______________________________________________ >> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ >> Change Settings: >> https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ >> Web Forum/Archive: >> https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/BGYSN… >> >

July 21, 2023

Re: Thoughts or experience with long range (350ft) wifi

by John Stoffel

>>>>> "Bradley" == Bradley Noyes via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > Hello W-luggers — I have an out-building where I’d like to have > wifi. The distance is about 350ft. There are some trees in the way, > but not a thick forest. I’m curious to know if anyone here has > recommendations on outdoor, long range wifi equipment. Perhaps > something with a parabolic antenna or otherwise directional antenna. My wife's work in Worcester has two buildings on either side of Salisbury ave and at one point they used a point to point link between them since they couldn't get a cost effective solution using wires. Now I will say that using wires and running a trench would be a great solution if you can do it. It might also be part of the solution, maybe where you trench ffrom either end to a location with better line of sight. > The following article ( > https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2021/08/point-to-point-wi-fi-bridging-betwe… > ) recommends some TP-Link wifi routers, which is likely the route I’ll try. > Any one willing to share thoughts or experiences would helpful. I would follow the Ars article, they do a good job (when they do them) on giving you various pros/cons of solutions. I use TP-Link EAP-225 wireless APs both at home and at my church and they do a good job. But the real key is to just get antennas which focus the signal where you want it. Most APs try for symetrical singal to cover an area, which isn't what you want. The next step is to do some judicious tree trimming to keep a good line of sight, and ideally putting it high enough so that people and objects don't get in the way and disrupt things. Good luck! John

July 21, 2023

Re: Thoughts or experience with long range (350ft) wifi

by Jon "maddog" Hall

I read the article and while I disagree on the advantage of 2.4 GHz vs 5 GHz (because of the absorption of 2.4GHz by the water in the leaves of the trees) I had a thought about where your outbuilding gets its power. Do the power lines run from your house, and if they do why not try Ethernet-over-power? I had originally used Powerline unites to bridge Ethernet from one end of my house to the other instead of running Cat. You just have to make sure that there are no transformers in the way, that it is a straight piece of copper wire from your circuit box to the outbuilding. You should get 1-2 Gbit/second out of it. https://www.amazon.com/Powerline-Computer-Network-Adapters/b?ie=UTF8&node=1… md On Fri, Jul 21, 2023 at 10:47 AM Bradley Noyes via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > Hello W-luggers — I have an out-building where I’d like to have wifi. The > distance is about 350ft. There are some trees in the way, but not a thick > forest. I’m curious to know if anyone here has recommendations on outdoor, > long range wifi equipment. Perhaps something with a parabolic antenna or > otherwise directional antenna. > > The following article ( > https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2021/08/point-to-point-wi-fi-bridging-betwe…) > recommends some TP-Link wifi routers, which is likely the route I’ll try. > > Any one willing to share thoughts or experiences would helpful. > > Thanks! > — brad > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/FZFII… >

July 21, 2023

Re: Red Hat controversy

by Jon "maddog" Hall

Hi, I have been writing up a response to this that goes much deeper into the discussion than most articles I have read have done. Because I have been busy doing other things (Board Chair of the Linux Professional Institute, defending the Linux Trademark AGAIN, doing virtual presentations and preparing for a long trip to Latin America) I have not had time to finish it, but I should be able to finish it this weekend. I have given drafts to other LPI board members, many of whom have been in the FOSS space almost as long as I have and some have been in the computer space....no...few people have been in that space as long as I have. So far the comments have been good, some saying it was "great". When it is finished I will post it to the LPI blog (free for everyone to read) and let you guys know. I would also be happy to talk about it in great depth at a WLUG meeting. Spoiler Alert: There is no evil here, and out of it could come great good. Warmest regards, md On Fri, Jul 21, 2023 at 8:25 AM Joshua Stone via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > Hey everyone, > > I didn't talk about the Red Hat controversy at last night's meeting, > namely the decision to stop publishing RHEL sources to git.centos.org > <https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/furthering-evolution-centos-stream> and > the implications this has on the various RHEL clones. > > If there's anyone still interested in hearing about the rationale behind > this recent decision and the response that's created from clone makers, > then I recommend listening to the following Linux Unplugged episodes: > > Caught Red-Hatted | LINUX Unplugged 517 (timestamp 00:08:39): > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ra-mXDI-keo > > The Clone Grift Wars | LINUX Unplugged 519 (timestamp 00:06:02) > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RdYn_xlOma4 > > I hope that brings some much-needed context to the discussion. > > - Josh > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/BGYSN… >

July 21, 2023

Re: Red Hat controversy

by THE HAMMER

Josh, I am quite interested in hearing more, and had hoped that things got around to the Red Hat topic. Thanks for the links, I'll be checking them out. Ron ________________________________ From: Joshua Stone via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> Sent: Friday, July 21, 2023 8:24 AM To: Worcester Linux Users' Group General Discussion <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> Cc: Joshua Stone <joshua.gage.stone(a)gmail.com> Subject: [WLUG] Red Hat controversy Hey everyone, I didn't talk about the Red Hat controversy at last night's meeting, namely the decision to stop publishing RHEL sources to git.centos.org<https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/furthering-evolution-centos-stream> and the implications this has on the various RHEL clones. If there's anyone still interested in hearing about the rationale behind this recent decision and the response that's created from clone makers, then I recommend listening to the following Linux Unplugged episodes: Caught Red-Hatted | LINUX Unplugged 517 (timestamp 00:08:39): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ra-mXDI-keo The Clone Grift Wars | LINUX Unplugged 519 (timestamp 00:06:02) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RdYn_xlOma4 I hope that brings some much-needed context to the discussion. - Josh

July 21, 2023

Thoughts or experience with long range (350ft) wifi

by Bradley Noyes

Hello W-luggers — I have an out-building where I’d like to have wifi. The distance is about 350ft. There are some trees in the way, but not a thick forest. I’m curious to know if anyone here has recommendations on outdoor, long range wifi equipment. Perhaps something with a parabolic antenna or otherwise directional antenna. The following article (https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2021/08/point-to-point-wi-fi-bridging-betwe…) recommends some TP-Link wifi routers, which is likely the route I’ll try. Any one willing to share thoughts or experiences would helpful. Thanks! — brad

July 21, 2023

Awesome meeting last night!

by Tim Keller

Hey Gang, We had an amazing meeting last night, I'd like to thank Kevin from Technocopia for providing us the space, we will be back!! We had a number of random interlopers just show up and the discussion quickly pivoted from keyboards to linux drivers and the unix philosophy. The conversation then shifted to analog control devices and a guy named Rick gave us all a great education on analog process and control technologies. Then to cap things off, a maker named Matt showed up with an iMac and asked if we could help him get Linux Mint installed, in classic WLUG fashion we jumped at the opportunity and in no time flat we got him sorted out. It turns out that machine is slightly too old to run DeVinci Resolve, but I believe it'll be a great machine for him to get some basic linux knowledge. I believe we've found a new space to hold meetings, it's going to get interesting and weird! Later, Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

July 21, 2023

Red Hat controversy

by Joshua Stone

Hey everyone, I didn't talk about the Red Hat controversy at last night's meeting, namely the decision to stop publishing RHEL sources to git.centos.org <https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/furthering-evolution-centos-stream> and the implications this has on the various RHEL clones. If there's anyone still interested in hearing about the rationale behind this recent decision and the response that's created from clone makers, then I recommend listening to the following Linux Unplugged episodes: Caught Red-Hatted | LINUX Unplugged 517 (timestamp 00:08:39): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ra-mXDI-keo The Clone Grift Wars | LINUX Unplugged 519 (timestamp 00:06:02) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RdYn_xlOma4 I hope that brings some much-needed context to the discussion. - Josh

July 21, 2023

Re: WLUG Meeting tonight: LOCATION CHANGE!!! WE ARE AT TECHNOPIA!! 7PM

by hammerron

I could not get thisemail until now, so will have to join via jitsi On July 20, 2023 5:17:32 PM EDT, Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: >Hey Gang! > >We are going to be at Technopia tonight at 7PM! >Address: 44 Portland St, Worcester, MA 01608 >Virtual Address: https://meet.jit.si/WlugMA > >Topic(s): Keyboards, RedHat not being cool, etc. > >As usual we'll be going out for dinner after the meeting (we'll figure it >out there) > >I don't know the food/drink policy at Technopia so I'll hold off on >bringing that stuff until I know better. > >See you there!!! > >Thanks, >Tim. > > >-- >I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their >constituents as "consumers".

July 20, 2023

Re: WLUG Meeting tonight: LOCATION CHANGE!!! WE ARE AT TECHNOPIA!! 7PM

by John Stoffel

>>>>> "Tim" == Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: Just a note, parking can be a bit terrible down there. And DO NOT park in the lot across from the entrance to the printers building. They will tow. Park on the street and pay the $3 for an hour or so. Also, Technocopia is on floor 6, and you need to call up to get in from the front door. Which is on the left side as you face the building from the street. Right next to the art space on the ground floor. See you there! J > Hey Gang! > We are going to be at Technopia tonight at 7PM! > Address: 44 Portland St, Worcester, MA 01608 > Virtual Address: https://meet.jit.si/WlugMA > Topic(s): Keyboards, RedHat not being cool, etc. > As usual we'll be going out for dinner after the meeting (we'll figure it out there) > I don't know the food/drink policy at Technopia so I'll hold off on bringing that stuff until I > know better. > See you there!!! > Thanks, > Tim. > -- > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers". > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/I2IZ4…

July 20, 2023

WLUG Meeting tonight: LOCATION CHANGE!!! WE ARE AT TECHNOPIA!! 7PM

by Tim Keller

Hey Gang! We are going to be at Technopia tonight at 7PM! Address: 44 Portland St, Worcester, MA 01608 Virtual Address: https://meet.jit.si/WlugMA Topic(s): Keyboards, RedHat not being cool, etc. As usual we'll be going out for dinner after the meeting (we'll figure it out there) I don't know the food/drink policy at Technopia so I'll hold off on bringing that stuff until I know better. See you there!!! Thanks, Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

July 20, 2023

Re: Where to hold meetings..

by John Stoffel

>>>>> "Tim" == Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: News I hear is that we're meeting at Technocopia in Downtown owrcester tonight. 7pm I think? Tim, confirm! > I've reached out to Kevin, I'd like to have it at Technopia if possible. > Thanks, > Tim. > On Thu, Jul 20, 2023 at 11:37 AM Joshua Stone <joshua.gage.stone(a)gmail.com> wrote: > I will likely attend this meeting virtually because it doesn't sound like we've settled on a > physical location yet. > - Josh > On Thu, Jul 20, 2023 at 10:07 AM John Stoffel via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > So what's the plan for tonight then? Are we meeting and if so where? >> We've long talked about Technopia as an option! That would be really fantastic! > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/STDGX… > -- > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers". > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/DVVF3…

July 20, 2023

Re: Where to hold meetings..

by Tim Keller

I've reached out to Kevin, I'd like to have it at Technopia if possible. Thanks, Tim. On Thu, Jul 20, 2023 at 11:37 AM Joshua Stone <joshua.gage.stone(a)gmail.com> wrote: > I will likely attend this meeting virtually because it doesn't sound like > we've settled on a physical location yet. > > - Josh > > On Thu, Jul 20, 2023 at 10:07 AM John Stoffel via WLUG < > wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > >> >> So what's the plan for tonight then? Are we meeting and if so where? >> >> > We've long talked about Technopia as an option! That would be really >> fantastic! >> >> _______________________________________________ >> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ >> Change Settings: >> https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ >> Web Forum/Archive: >> https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/STDGX… >> > -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

July 20, 2023

Re: Where to hold meetings..

by Joshua Stone

I will likely attend this meeting virtually because it doesn't sound like we've settled on a physical location yet. - Josh On Thu, Jul 20, 2023 at 10:07 AM John Stoffel via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > > So what's the plan for tonight then? Are we meeting and if so where? > > > We've long talked about Technopia as an option! That would be really > fantastic! > > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/STDGX… >

July 20, 2023

Re: Where to hold meetings..

by John Stoffel

So what's the plan for tonight then? Are we meeting and if so where? > We've long talked about Technopia as an option! That would be really fantastic!

July 20, 2023

Re: Where to hold meetings..

by Tim Keller

Kevin, We've long talked about Technopia as an option! That would be really fantastic! Thanks, Tim. On Wed, Jul 19, 2023 at 2:27 PM Kevin Harrington <mad.hephaestus(a)gmail.com> wrote: > I would like to also suggest Technocopia! http://technocopia.org/ > > We would love to have the WLUG, and the only reason i haven't attended in > a while is because Thursday at 7 is our open house night. > > I would take responsibility for "booking" the space, as a member I am > allowed to host club event's in the space with non-menbers so long as I am > there to let everyone in and close up on the way out. > > I still may not be able to attend every meeting, as I give tours of > Technocopia, I do look forward to finally being able to at least pop in and > out between tours! > > On Wed, Jul 19, 2023 at 2:03 PM Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> > wrote: > >> Cara, >> >> That would be awesome. It seems that WPI is the most central for >> everybody. >> Could we get something booked for Tomorrow or are we cutting it too close? >> >> Thanks, >> Tim. >> >> On Wed, Jul 19, 2023 at 1:14 PM Cara Salter via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> >> wrote: >> >>> Hi Tim, >>> >>> I think the issue with WPI has been inconsistent room bookings, >>> especially in May due to the number of large events taking place. Now >>> that those are over it should be relatively* easy to get a recurring >>> reservation in for one of the campus center meeting rooms on a monthly >>> basis. Happy to work with the events office and see what'll work. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Cara >>> >>> On Thu, 1970-01-01 at 00:00 +0000, Tim Keller via WLUG wrote: >>> > Hey Gang, >>> > >>> > It appears that WPI isn't going to work out for us as a stable place >>> > to hold meetings. >>> > >>> > I have two questions to ask the group. >>> > >>> > 1. Does the second Thursday still work for people or would a Wed/Fri >>> > work better? >>> > 2. How far would people be willing to drive? >>> > >>> > As for the second question, doing some research, Leominster public >>> > library has meeting rooms (I'm also a LPL member) and they're open >>> > till 9pm. Moreover, Leominster has great afforable places to eat. >>> > >>> > I believe it's likely too late for me to schedule a meeting at LPL, >>> > but I can always call and ask. So I suspect this months >>> > meeting (which is going to be this Thursday) will be virtual. Though >>> > I'll let people know asap. >>> > >>> > Let me know what you think, I'd really like some input. >>> > Thanks, >>> > Tim. >>> > -- >>> > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their >>> > constituents as "consumers". >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >>> > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >>> > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ >>> > Change Settings: >>> > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ >>> > Web Forum/Archive: >>> > >>> https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/F5EWC… >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >>> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >>> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ >>> Change Settings: >>> https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ >>> Web Forum/Archive: >>> https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/N6AIR… >>> >> >> >> -- >> I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their >> constituents as "consumers". >> _______________________________________________ >> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ >> Change Settings: >> https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ >> Web Forum/Archive: >> https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/IBU3W… >> > -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

July 19, 2023

Re: Where to hold meetings..

by Kevin Harrington

I would like to also suggest Technocopia! http://technocopia.org/ We would love to have the WLUG, and the only reason i haven't attended in a while is because Thursday at 7 is our open house night. I would take responsibility for "booking" the space, as a member I am allowed to host club event's in the space with non-menbers so long as I am there to let everyone in and close up on the way out. I still may not be able to attend every meeting, as I give tours of Technocopia, I do look forward to finally being able to at least pop in and out between tours! On Wed, Jul 19, 2023 at 2:03 PM Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > Cara, > > That would be awesome. It seems that WPI is the most central for everybody. > Could we get something booked for Tomorrow or are we cutting it too close? > > Thanks, > Tim. > > On Wed, Jul 19, 2023 at 1:14 PM Cara Salter via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> > wrote: > >> Hi Tim, >> >> I think the issue with WPI has been inconsistent room bookings, >> especially in May due to the number of large events taking place. Now >> that those are over it should be relatively* easy to get a recurring >> reservation in for one of the campus center meeting rooms on a monthly >> basis. Happy to work with the events office and see what'll work. >> >> Thanks, >> Cara >> >> On Thu, 1970-01-01 at 00:00 +0000, Tim Keller via WLUG wrote: >> > Hey Gang, >> > >> > It appears that WPI isn't going to work out for us as a stable place >> > to hold meetings. >> > >> > I have two questions to ask the group. >> > >> > 1. Does the second Thursday still work for people or would a Wed/Fri >> > work better? >> > 2. How far would people be willing to drive? >> > >> > As for the second question, doing some research, Leominster public >> > library has meeting rooms (I'm also a LPL member) and they're open >> > till 9pm. Moreover, Leominster has great afforable places to eat. >> > >> > I believe it's likely too late for me to schedule a meeting at LPL, >> > but I can always call and ask. So I suspect this months >> > meeting (which is going to be this Thursday) will be virtual. Though >> > I'll let people know asap. >> > >> > Let me know what you think, I'd really like some input. >> > Thanks, >> > Tim. >> > -- >> > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their >> > constituents as "consumers". >> > _______________________________________________ >> > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >> > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >> > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ >> > Change Settings: >> > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ >> > Web Forum/Archive: >> > >> https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/F5EWC… >> >> _______________________________________________ >> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ >> Change Settings: >> https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ >> Web Forum/Archive: >> https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/N6AIR… >> > > > -- > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their > constituents as "consumers". > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/IBU3W… >

July 19, 2023

Re: Where to hold meetings..

by Tim Keller

Cara, That would be awesome. It seems that WPI is the most central for everybody. Could we get something booked for Tomorrow or are we cutting it too close? Thanks, Tim. On Wed, Jul 19, 2023 at 1:14 PM Cara Salter via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > Hi Tim, > > I think the issue with WPI has been inconsistent room bookings, > especially in May due to the number of large events taking place. Now > that those are over it should be relatively* easy to get a recurring > reservation in for one of the campus center meeting rooms on a monthly > basis. Happy to work with the events office and see what'll work. > > Thanks, > Cara > > On Thu, 1970-01-01 at 00:00 +0000, Tim Keller via WLUG wrote: > > Hey Gang, > > > > It appears that WPI isn't going to work out for us as a stable place > > to hold meetings. > > > > I have two questions to ask the group. > > > > 1. Does the second Thursday still work for people or would a Wed/Fri > > work better? > > 2. How far would people be willing to drive? > > > > As for the second question, doing some research, Leominster public > > library has meeting rooms (I'm also a LPL member) and they're open > > till 9pm. Moreover, Leominster has great afforable places to eat. > > > > I believe it's likely too late for me to schedule a meeting at LPL, > > but I can always call and ask. So I suspect this months > > meeting (which is going to be this Thursday) will be virtual. Though > > I'll let people know asap. > > > > Let me know what you think, I'd really like some input. > > Thanks, > > Tim. > > -- > > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their > > constituents as "consumers". > > _______________________________________________ > > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > > Change Settings: > > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > > Web Forum/Archive: > > > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/F5EWC… > > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/N6AIR… > -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

July 19, 2023

Re: Where to hold meetings..

by Cara Salter

Hi Tim, I think the issue with WPI has been inconsistent room bookings, especially in May due to the number of large events taking place. Now that those are over it should be relatively* easy to get a recurring reservation in for one of the campus center meeting rooms on a monthly basis. Happy to work with the events office and see what'll work. Thanks, Cara On Thu, 1970-01-01 at 00:00 +0000, Tim Keller via WLUG wrote: > Hey Gang, > > It appears that WPI isn't going to work out for us as a stable place > to hold meetings. > > I have two questions to ask the group. > > 1. Does the second Thursday still work for people or would a Wed/Fri > work better? > 2. How far would people be willing to drive? > > As for the second question, doing some research, Leominster public > library has meeting rooms (I'm also a LPL member) and they're open > till 9pm. Moreover, Leominster has great afforable places to eat. > > I believe it's likely too late for me to schedule a meeting at LPL, > but I can always call and ask. So I suspect this months > meeting (which is going to be this Thursday) will be virtual. Though > I'll let people know asap. > > Let me know what you think, I'd really like some input. > Thanks, > Tim. > -- > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their > constituents as "consumers". > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/F5EWC…

July 19, 2023

Re: Where to hold meetings..

by THE HAMMER

Just FYI, regarding the Worcester Library. The hours vary. Per their website: Sunday: 12 - 4 p.m. (open Sundays 10/16/22-4/23/23) Monday: 9 a.m. – 5:30 p.m. Tuesday: 9 a.m. – 8:30 p.m. Wednesday: 9 a.m. – 8:30 p.m. Thursday: 9 a.m. – 5:30 p.m. Friday: 9 a.m. – 5:30 p.m. Saturday: 9 a.m. – 5:30 p.m. ________________________________ From: Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2023 11:08 AM To: Joel <joelgroup(a)gmail.com> Cc: Worcester Linux Users' Group General Discussion <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org>; Tim Keller <turbofx(a)gmail.com> Subject: [WLUG] Re: Where to hold meetings.. David, The issue with the Worcester Public Library is that they close really early, like 5:30pm and if we want to go later we have to start paying. Tim. On Wed, Jul 19, 2023 at 8:50 AM Joel <joelgroup(a)gmail.com<mailto:joelgroup@gmail.com>> wrote: I can finagle most any night except Wednesdays. Thursday is easiest here. So a vote to stay Thursdays. I will second the vote for closer to Worcester or South. Leominster requires 50+ minutes of farm lands tour each way and logistics to leave earlier. Leaving earlier is harder with sport after school pickup and other commitments. Joel On July 18, 2023 6:12:50 PM Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org<mailto:wlug@lists.wlug.org>> wrote: Hey Gang, It appears that WPI isn't going to work out for us as a stable place to hold meetings. I have two questions to ask the group. 1. Does the second Thursday still work for people or would a Wed/Fri work better? 2. How far would people be willing to drive? As for the second question, doing some research, Leominster public library has meeting rooms (I'm also a LPL member) and they're open till 9pm. Moreover, Leominster has great afforable places to eat. I believe it's likely too late for me to schedule a meeting at LPL, but I can always call and ask. So I suspect this months meeting (which is going to be this Thursday) will be virtual. Though I'll let people know asap. Let me know what you think, I'd really like some input. Thanks, Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers". _______________________________________________ WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org<mailto:wlug%40lists.wlug.org> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org<mailto:wlug-leave%40lists.wlug.org> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ Web Forum/Archive: https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/F5EWC… -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

July 19, 2023

Re: Where to hold meetings..

by Tim Keller

Looking at the replies so far, I'm going to keep the meetings on Thursday. It sounds like more northern places like Leominster might be harder for some and easier for others.. Tim. On Wed, Jul 19, 2023 at 11:08 AM Tim Keller <turbofx(a)gmail.com> wrote: > David, > > The issue with the Worcester Public Library is that they close really > early, like 5:30pm and if we want to go later we have to start paying. > > Tim. > > On Wed, Jul 19, 2023 at 8:50 AM Joel <joelgroup(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> >> I can finagle most any night except Wednesdays. Thursday is easiest >> here. So a vote to stay Thursdays. >> >> I will second the vote for closer to Worcester or South. Leominster >> requires 50+ minutes of farm lands tour each way and logistics to leave >> earlier. Leaving earlier is harder with sport after school pickup and >> other commitments. >> >> Joel >> >> On July 18, 2023 6:12:50 PM Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> >> wrote: >> >>> Hey Gang, >>> >>> It appears that WPI isn't going to work out for us as a stable place to >>> hold meetings. >>> >>> I have two questions to ask the group. >>> >>> 1. Does the second Thursday still work for people or would a Wed/Fri >>> work better? >>> 2. How far would people be willing to drive? >>> >>> As for the second question, doing some research, Leominster public >>> library has meeting rooms (I'm also a LPL member) and they're open till >>> 9pm. Moreover, Leominster has great afforable places to eat. >>> >>> I believe it's likely too late for me to schedule a meeting at LPL, but >>> I can always call and ask. So I suspect this months meeting (which is going >>> to be this Thursday) will be virtual. Though I'll let people know asap. >>> >>> Let me know what you think, I'd really like some input. >>> Thanks, >>> Tim. >>> -- >>> I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their >>> constituents as "consumers". >>> _______________________________________________ >>> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >>> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >>> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ >>> Change Settings: >>> https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ >>> Web Forum/Archive: >>> https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/F5EWC… >>> >>> >> > > -- > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their > constituents as "consumers". > -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

July 19, 2023

Re: Where to hold meetings..

by Tim Keller

David, The issue with the Worcester Public Library is that they close really early, like 5:30pm and if we want to go later we have to start paying. Tim. On Wed, Jul 19, 2023 at 8:50 AM Joel <joelgroup(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > I can finagle most any night except Wednesdays. Thursday is easiest here. > So a vote to stay Thursdays. > > I will second the vote for closer to Worcester or South. Leominster > requires 50+ minutes of farm lands tour each way and logistics to leave > earlier. Leaving earlier is harder with sport after school pickup and > other commitments. > > Joel > > On July 18, 2023 6:12:50 PM Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> > wrote: > >> Hey Gang, >> >> It appears that WPI isn't going to work out for us as a stable place to >> hold meetings. >> >> I have two questions to ask the group. >> >> 1. Does the second Thursday still work for people or would a Wed/Fri work >> better? >> 2. How far would people be willing to drive? >> >> As for the second question, doing some research, Leominster public >> library has meeting rooms (I'm also a LPL member) and they're open till >> 9pm. Moreover, Leominster has great afforable places to eat. >> >> I believe it's likely too late for me to schedule a meeting at LPL, but I >> can always call and ask. So I suspect this months meeting (which is going >> to be this Thursday) will be virtual. Though I'll let people know asap. >> >> Let me know what you think, I'd really like some input. >> Thanks, >> Tim. >> -- >> I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their >> constituents as "consumers". >> _______________________________________________ >> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ >> Change Settings: >> https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ >> Web Forum/Archive: >> https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/F5EWC… >> >> > -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

July 19, 2023

Re: Where to hold meetings..

by Joel

I can finagle most any night except Wednesdays. Thursday is easiest here. So a vote to stay Thursdays. I will second the vote for closer to Worcester or South. Leominster requires 50+ minutes of farm lands tour each way and logistics to leave earlier. Leaving earlier is harder with sport after school pickup and other commitments. Joel On July 18, 2023 6:12:50 PM Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > Hey Gang, > > It appears that WPI isn't going to work out for us as a stable place to hold meetings. > > I have two questions to ask the group. > > 1. Does the second Thursday still work for people or would a Wed/Fri work better? > 2. How far would people be willing to drive? > > As for the second question, doing some research, Leominster public library has meeting rooms (I'm also a LPL member) and they're open till 9pm. Moreover, Leominster has great afforable places to eat. > > I believe it's likely too late for me to schedule a meeting at LPL, but I can always call and ask. So I suspect this months meeting (which is going to be this Thursday) will be virtual. Though I'll let people know asap. > > Let me know what you think, I'd really like some input. > Thanks, > Tim. > > -- > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers". > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/F5EWC…

July 19, 2023

Re: Where to hold meetings..

by David Glaser

What about the Worcester Public Library? On 7/19/2023 7:59 AM, hammerron via WLUG wrote: > > For me personally, Worcester area and south of there is the best > match. Other areas become difficult. Thursday and Wednesdays usually > good, Fridays a bit less. > > > On 7/18/23 18:12, Tim Keller via WLUG wrote: >> Hey Gang, >> >> It appears that WPI isn't going to work out for us as a stable place >> to hold meetings. >> >> I have two questions to ask the group. >> >> 1. Does the second Thursday still work for people or would a Wed/Fri >> work better? >> 2. How far would people be willing to drive? >> >> As for the second question, doing some research, Leominster public >> library has meeting rooms (I'm also a LPL member) and they're open >> till 9pm. Moreover, Leominster has great afforable places to eat. >> >> I believe it's likely too late for me to schedule a meeting at LPL, >> but I can always call and ask. So I suspect this months >> meeting (which is going to be this Thursday) will be virtual. Though >> I'll let people know asap. >> >> Let me know what you think, I'd really like some input. >> Thanks, >> Tim. >> -- >> I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their >> constituents as "consumers". >> >> _______________________________________________ >> WLUG mailing list --wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >> To unsubscribe send an email towlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >> Create Account:https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ >> Change Settings:https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ >> Web Forum/Archive:https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org… > > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list --wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email towlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account:https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings:https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive:https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org… -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. www.avast.com

July 19, 2023

Re: Where to hold meetings..

by hammerron

For me personally, Worcester area and south of there is the best match. Other areas become difficult. Thursday and Wednesdays usually good, Fridays a bit less. On 7/18/23 18:12, Tim Keller via WLUG wrote: > Hey Gang, > > It appears that WPI isn't going to work out for us as a stable place > to hold meetings. > > I have two questions to ask the group. > > 1. Does the second Thursday still work for people or would a Wed/Fri > work better? > 2. How far would people be willing to drive? > > As for the second question, doing some research, Leominster public > library has meeting rooms (I'm also a LPL member) and they're open > till 9pm. Moreover, Leominster has great afforable places to eat. > > I believe it's likely too late for me to schedule a meeting at LPL, > but I can always call and ask. So I suspect this months meeting (which > is going to be this Thursday) will be virtual. Though I'll let > people know asap. > > Let me know what you think, I'd really like some input. > Thanks, > Tim. > -- > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their > constituents as "consumers". > > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list --wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email towlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account:https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings:https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive:https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org…

July 19, 2023

Re: Where to hold meetings..

by Patrick McEvilly

Tim Selfishly Leominster is closer for us. We can make any evening, whatever works for others works for us. I have access to a conference room at Deven’s MA to host meetings if that is of interest. Its right off route 2. Not as convenient for food place thought this Mexican restaurant gets great reviews. https://www.mybandoleros.com P. From: Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> Reply-To: Worcester Linux Users' Group General Discussion <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> Date: Tuesday, July 18, 2023 at 6:12 PM To: Worcester Linux Users' Group General Discussion <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> Cc: Tim Keller <turbofx(a)gmail.com> Subject: [WLUG] Where to hold meetings.. Hey Gang, It appears that WPI isn't going to work out for us as a stable place to hold meetings. I have two questions to ask the group. 1. Does the second Thursday still work for people or would a Wed/Fri work better? 2. How far would people be willing to drive? As for the second question, doing some research, Leominster public library has meeting rooms (I'm also a LPL member) and they're open till 9pm. Moreover, Leominster has great afforable places to eat. I believe it's likely too late for me to schedule a meeting at LPL, but I can always call and ask. So I suspect this months meeting (which is going to be this Thursday) will be virtual. Though I'll let people know asap. Let me know what you think, I'd really like some input. Thanks, Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

July 18, 2023

Where to hold meetings..

by Tim Keller

Hey Gang, It appears that WPI isn't going to work out for us as a stable place to hold meetings. I have two questions to ask the group. 1. Does the second Thursday still work for people or would a Wed/Fri work better? 2. How far would people be willing to drive? As for the second question, doing some research, Leominster public library has meeting rooms (I'm also a LPL member) and they're open till 9pm. Moreover, Leominster has great afforable places to eat. I believe it's likely too late for me to schedule a meeting at LPL, but I can always call and ask. So I suspect this months meeting (which is going to be this Thursday) will be virtual. Though I'll let people know asap. Let me know what you think, I'd really like some input. Thanks, Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

July 18, 2023

Re: Wireless Earbuds

by Joel

Bought these for my teenager 2 years ago. Borrowed them once and bought my own. Wife has a set now too. Usage from hourly to monthly and for music, podcasts and Zoom calls. Case has a bigger battery that charges buds, . and case also wireless charges. Price runs from $19 - 30 depending on the day. TOZO T6 True Wireless Earbuds Bluetooth 5.3 Headphones Touch Control with Wireless Charging Case IPX8 Waterproof Stereo Earphones in-Ear Built-in Mic Headset Premium Deep Bass Black https://a.co/d/0kukGOk On July 16, 2023 10:39:57 PM Lexi Haley via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > Personally I bought these raycons > > https://rayconglobal.com/collections/special/products/e25-true-wireless-ear… > > Been using wired headphones "forever" and forever catching them on cabinet pulls and door jambs - so very glad to be wire free. > > Lexi > > On Sun, Jul 16, 2023, 10:27 PM Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > Ron, > > I've got these and they work: https://www.target.com/p/link-bluetooth-earbuds-stereo-sports-wireless-swea… > > Thanks, > Tim. > > > On Sun, Jul 16, 2023 at 10:02 AM hammerron via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > I see what looks like a bunch of people using wireless earbuds when > doing a video chat. I am wondering if anyone would share their opinion > about them, pros/cons, and if you recommend any certain ones (hoping not > a budget strain). > > Ron > > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/DUGTU… > > > > -- > > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers". > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/XCBOP… > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/VYAJ5…

July 17, 2023

Re: Wireless Earbuds

by Lexi Haley

Personally I bought these raycons https://rayconglobal.com/collections/special/products/e25-true-wireless-ear… Been using wired headphones "forever" and forever catching them on cabinet pulls and door jambs - so very glad to be wire free. Lexi On Sun, Jul 16, 2023, 10:27 PM Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > Ron, > > I've got these and they work: > https://www.target.com/p/link-bluetooth-earbuds-stereo-sports-wireless-swea… > > Thanks, > Tim. > > On Sun, Jul 16, 2023 at 10:02 AM hammerron via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> > wrote: > >> I see what looks like a bunch of people using wireless earbuds when >> doing a video chat. I am wondering if anyone would share their opinion >> about them, pros/cons, and if you recommend any certain ones (hoping not >> a budget strain). >> >> Ron >> >> _______________________________________________ >> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ >> Change Settings: >> https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ >> Web Forum/Archive: >> https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/DUGTU… >> > > > -- > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their > constituents as "consumers". > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/XCBOP… >

July 17, 2023

Re: Wireless Earbuds

by Tim Keller

Ron, I've got these and they work: https://www.target.com/p/link-bluetooth-earbuds-stereo-sports-wireless-swea… Thanks, Tim. On Sun, Jul 16, 2023 at 10:02 AM hammerron via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > I see what looks like a bunch of people using wireless earbuds when > doing a video chat. I am wondering if anyone would share their opinion > about them, pros/cons, and if you recommend any certain ones (hoping not > a budget strain). > > Ron > > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/DUGTU… > -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

July 17, 2023

Wireless Earbuds

by hammerron

I see what looks like a bunch of people using wireless earbuds when doing a video chat. I am wondering if anyone would share their opinion about them, pros/cons, and if you recommend any certain ones (hoping not a budget strain). Ron

July 16, 2023

Email Encryption on an Android Phone

by hammerron

Just an update, if anyone's curious. The friend decided not to encrypt after all, but has started to use the K-9 email client for Android

July 16, 2023

Whoops.. moving meeting to next week.

by Tim Keller

After I announced the meeting for the week, my wife politely reminded me that I had a prior obligation. I'm moving the meeting to the 20th. Thanks, Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

July 10, 2023

Re: Email Encryption on an Android Phone

by Michael Voorhis

"Fair Email" for android. https://email.faircode.eu/ From the website, these privacy-specific features are listed: > Privacy features > > Encryption/decryption supported (OpenPGP and S/MIME) > Reformat messages to prevent phishing > Confirm showing images to prevent tracking > Confirm opening links to prevent tracking and phishing > Attempt to recognize and disable tracking images > Warning if messages could not be authenticated I've used this program to watch four separate email inboxes, with OAuth2 and non-OAuth2, for the past several years. it has the same concept of "unified inbox" that exists in Thunderbird, should you want to use that. --MCV. On 7/7/23 08:29, John Stoffel via WLUG wrote: >>>>>> "Cara" == Cara Salter via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > >> On Thu, 1970-01-01 at 00:00 +0000, hammerron via WLUG wrote: > >>> I have a friend who is interested in encrypting her emails on an >>> Android phone. > > Is she interested in sending email that is encrypted so that only the > recipient(s) can read the emails? Or is she interested in encrypting > the emails on the phone so that no one else can read them on the > phone? Very different use cases. > > In my experience, encrypted, much less signed emails, is still a pain > to do. It's sorta interoperable, but PGP keys (and key management in > particular) is just painful at times. > > No idea on at rest on Android. > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/QMJ4J…

July 8, 2023

Re: Email Encryption on an Android Phone

by hammerron

I will have to ask On 7/7/23 08:29, John Stoffel via WLUG wrote: >>>>>> "Cara" == Cara Salter via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: >> On Thu, 1970-01-01 at 00:00 +0000, hammerron via WLUG wrote: >>> I have a friend who is interested in encrypting her emails on an >>> Android phone. > Is she interested in sending email that is encrypted so that only the > recipient(s) can read the emails? Or is she interested in encrypting > the emails on the phone so that no one else can read them on the > phone? Very different use cases. > > In my experience, encrypted, much less signed emails, is still a pain > to do. It's sorta interoperable, but PGP keys (and key management in > particular) is just painful at times. > > No idea on at rest on Android. > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/QMJ4J…

July 8, 2023

Re: Email Encryption on an Android Phone

by John Stoffel

>>>>> "Cara" == Cara Salter via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > On Thu, 1970-01-01 at 00:00 +0000, hammerron via WLUG wrote: >> I have a friend who is interested in encrypting her emails on an >> Android phone. Is she interested in sending email that is encrypted so that only the recipient(s) can read the emails? Or is she interested in encrypting the emails on the phone so that no one else can read them on the phone? Very different use cases. In my experience, encrypted, much less signed emails, is still a pain to do. It's sorta interoperable, but PGP keys (and key management in particular) is just painful at times. No idea on at rest on Android.

July 7, 2023

WLUG Meeting next week! July 13th 2023.. Tentative topic is keyboards, RedHat.

by Tim Keller

While not entirely linux related, keyboard preference is something that we all have opinions on. I'll bring along a couple interesting keyboards that play nicely with linux. I know we'll definitely talk about the the RedHat decision as well. It'll be interesting to get Joshua's perspective on this as well. I'm still working out a location on the WPI campus, I'll let everybody know when I get more details. Thanks, Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

July 6, 2023

Re: Email Encryption on an Android Phone

by Cara Salter

On Thu, 1970-01-01 at 00:00 +0000, hammerron via WLUG wrote: > I have a friend who is interested in encrypting her emails on an > Android > phone. > > She lacks computer experience. Anything that she would use would have > to > be very simple. A one time process will probably do her best, not > steps > that would have to be repeated at each use. I'll preface this that I've never used this app for generating keys, only importing keys that already exist. > > Could anyone offer suggestions on the best solution for her? Would > something like Proton Mail be sufficient? I've found a combination of OpenKeyChain and K-9 Mail works perfectly for PGP encryption & signing. Cara

July 5, 2023

Email Encryption on an Android Phone

by hammerron

I have a friend who is interested in encrypting her emails on an Android phone. She lacks computer experience. Anything that she would use would have to be very simple. A one time process will probably do her best, not steps that would have to be repeated at each use. Could anyone offer suggestions on the best solution for her? Would something like Proton Mail be sufficient? Ron

July 5, 2023

Re: Personal Continuing Education

by Aljerin Butler,Jr.

Here are some other alternatives you can take a look at. Al Butler On Monday, June 26, 2023 at 10:45:49 AM EDT, Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: I've exported MIT's edx platform to teach me some Mechanical engineering principles. The other platform I'm familiar with is Cloud Academy.Though I have to admit I'm blessed with an "all you can eat" license through my job and I've abused the shit out of it! Tim. On Sun, Jun 25, 2023 at 9:40 AM reinhart--- via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: How to learn new skills online Treat yo’self by educating yo’self. https://www.popphoto.com/story/how-to/learn-skills-online/?utm_source=inter… MITx Free online courses from Massachusetts Institute of Technology https://www.edx.org/school/mitx?utm_campaign=mitx&utm_medium=partner-market… HarvardX Free online courses from Harvard University https://www.edx.org/school/harvardx?utm_medium=partner-marketing&utm_source… edX Free online courses from many schools https://www.edx.org/ Khan Academy https://www.khanacademy.org/ If the certificate is of no value to you, I would not sign up for it. The free version is the same material as the certificate version except you don't submit the homework assignments (therefore not corrected but after the homework due date the answers are usually available), and you don't take the exams. Al Reinhart On 2023-06-23 14:59, Kevin Stratton via WLUG wrote: > I have been looking at the following for personal education to get > better skills in general. ( I already have a Bachelors, but am very > rusty) > > 1) udemy.com - the prices for the courses change on the drop of a hat. > The subscription does not cover all courses. Opinions on the coverage? > > 2) https://www.oreilly.com/online-learning/ - There is a > subscription for courses, books, etc... , but there is not enough > information to determine if I want it or not. > > 3) https://brilliant.org/ - Looking for opinions > > > I am focused on the following topics: > > 1) Electronics (Engineering level) > > 2) Math (College level, post algebra) > > 3) Programming (C, Python, BASH, whatever...) > > > Any opinions or alternatives? > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/ARAZX… _______________________________________________ WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ Web Forum/Archive: https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/FP5QL… -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers"._______________________________________________ WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ Web Forum/Archive: https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/6JISI…

July 4, 2023

Re: Personal Continuing Education

by Tim Keller

I've exported MIT's edx platform to teach me some Mechanical engineering principles. The other platform I'm familiar with is Cloud Academy. Though I have to admit I'm blessed with an "all you can eat" license through my job and I've abused the shit out of it! Tim. On Sun, Jun 25, 2023 at 9:40 AM reinhart--- via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > > How to learn new skills online > Treat yo’self by educating yo’self. > > https://www.popphoto.com/story/how-to/learn-skills-online/?utm_source=inter… > > MITx > Free online courses from Massachusetts Institute of Technology > > https://www.edx.org/school/mitx?utm_campaign=mitx&utm_medium=partner-market… > > HarvardX > Free online courses from Harvard University > > https://www.edx.org/school/harvardx?utm_medium=partner-marketing&utm_source… > > edX > Free online courses from many schools > https://www.edx.org/ > > Khan Academy > https://www.khanacademy.org/ > > If the certificate is of no value to you, I would not sign up for it. > The free version is the same material as the certificate version except > you don't submit the homework assignments (therefore not corrected but > after the homework due date the answers are usually available), and you > don't take the exams. > > Al Reinhart > > > On 2023-06-23 14:59, Kevin Stratton via WLUG wrote: > > I have been looking at the following for personal education to get > > better skills in general. ( I already have a Bachelors, but am very > > rusty) > > > > 1) udemy.com - the prices for the courses change on the drop of a hat. > > The subscription does not cover all courses. Opinions on the coverage? > > > > 2) https://www.oreilly.com/online-learning/ - There is a > > subscription for courses, books, etc... , but there is not enough > > information to determine if I want it or not. > > > > 3) https://brilliant.org/ - Looking for opinions > > > > > > I am focused on the following topics: > > > > 1) Electronics (Engineering level) > > > > 2) Math (College level, post algebra) > > > > 3) Programming (C, Python, BASH, whatever...) > > > > > > Any opinions or alternatives? > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > > Change Settings: > > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > > Web Forum/Archive: > > > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/ARAZX… > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/FP5QL… > -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

June 26, 2023

Re: HDTV Antennas

by soup

Digital is definitely more finicky, you don't lose some visual acuity (noise or snow) on the edges of range, you just get nothing, I've had luck with bowtie antenna inside the attic even without signal amplification, with it I can get WJAR/WPRI, too. Little easier than a traditional yagi since it's not so directional. If you've got the space and dosh for a yagi and rotator you should be able to get all the locals easily. Unless you're in a weird null, which we definitely do have in the seven hills. -soup On Fri, Jun 23, 2023 at 7:46 PM John Stoffel via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > >>>>> "David" == David Glaser via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > > > Has anyone in the list had any experience using an external HDTV antenna > > in Worcester? > > Personally no, but my neighbor here in Boylston uses it. > > > Reason I ask is that we ditched the full spectrum tv channel lineup > > and went with a the abbreviated channel lineup. However, we are > > missing the local broadcast tv stations and I was wondering it I > > could pick up some of them using an external antenna. > > In this case, it depends how high up you are, how clear a view you > have to the transmitters, and how well you orient the antenna. I hear > that HD is more finiky than the old VHF/UHF stuff. > > > I searched the web for information but I do not have enough of a > > radio background to understand the meaning of the signal strength > > tables that I find. > > > A while ago I purchased an interior antenna and did not have any luck so > > I figure that I might try an external antenna. > > Trying putting it as high up as possible in your house. On the roof > if at all possible. > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/35B5H… >

June 25, 2023

Re: HDTV Antennas

by John Stoffel

>>>>> "David" == David Glaser via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > Has anyone in the list had any experience using an external HDTV antenna > in Worcester? Personally no, but my neighbor here in Boylston uses it. > Reason I ask is that we ditched the full spectrum tv channel lineup > and went with a the abbreviated channel lineup. However, we are > missing the local broadcast tv stations and I was wondering it I > could pick up some of them using an external antenna. In this case, it depends how high up you are, how clear a view you have to the transmitters, and how well you orient the antenna. I hear that HD is more finiky than the old VHF/UHF stuff. > I searched the web for information but I do not have enough of a > radio background to understand the meaning of the signal strength > tables that I find. > A while ago I purchased an interior antenna and did not have any luck so > I figure that I might try an external antenna. Trying putting it as high up as possible in your house. On the roof if at all possible.

June 23, 2023

Re: HDTV Antennas

by Joe Sherman

I use one in Millbury. I live on a hill, have it mounted in my attic. I get about 30 stations. Most of the normal ones. Pretty sure I would get more if I mounted it on a post. And to Linux-ize this.. It is fed into a tvheadend server running on ubuntu on a RPi, which I then serve to Jellyfin running on a VM on my server. On Fri, Jun 23, 2023, 7:30 PM David Glaser via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > Has anyone in the list had any experience using an external HDTV antenna > in Worcester? > > Reason I ask is that we ditched the full spectrum tv channel lineup and > went with a the abbreviated channel lineup. However, we are missing the > local broadcast tv stations and I was wondering it I could pick up some > of them using an external antenna. > > I searched the web for information but I do not have enough of a radio > background to understand the meaning of the signal strength tables that > I find. > > A while ago I purchased an interior antenna and did not have any luck so > I figure that I might try an external antenna. > > Any help would be appreciated. > > -David > > > -- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > www.avast.com > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/ZS6FE… >

June 23, 2023

HDTV Antennas

by David Glaser

Has anyone in the list had any experience using an external HDTV antenna in Worcester? Reason I ask is that we ditched the full spectrum tv channel lineup and went with a the abbreviated channel lineup. However, we are missing the local broadcast tv stations and I was wondering it I could pick up some of them using an external antenna. I searched the web for information but I do not have enough of a radio background to understand the meaning of the signal strength tables that I find. A while ago I purchased an interior antenna and did not have any luck so I figure that I might try an external antenna. Any help would be appreciated. -David -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. www.avast.com

June 23, 2023

Re: Personal Continuing Education

by reinhart＠discom.com

How to learn new skills online Treat yo’self by educating yo’self. https://www.popphoto.com/story/how-to/learn-skills-online/?utm_source=inter… MITx Free online courses from Massachusetts Institute of Technology https://www.edx.org/school/mitx?utm_campaign=mitx&utm_medium=partner-market… HarvardX Free online courses from Harvard University https://www.edx.org/school/harvardx?utm_medium=partner-marketing&utm_source… edX Free online courses from many schools https://www.edx.org/ Khan Academy https://www.khanacademy.org/ If the certificate is of no value to you, I would not sign up for it. The free version is the same material as the certificate version except you don't submit the homework assignments (therefore not corrected but after the homework due date the answers are usually available), and you don't take the exams. Al Reinhart On 2023-06-23 14:59, Kevin Stratton via WLUG wrote: > I have been looking at the following for personal education to get > better skills in general. ( I already have a Bachelors, but am very > rusty) > > 1) udemy.com - the prices for the courses change on the drop of a hat. > The subscription does not cover all courses. Opinions on the coverage? > > 2) https://www.oreilly.com/online-learning/ - There is a > subscription for courses, books, etc... , but there is not enough > information to determine if I want it or not. > > 3) https://brilliant.org/ - Looking for opinions > > > I am focused on the following topics: > > 1) Electronics (Engineering level) > > 2) Math (College level, post algebra) > > 3) Programming (C, Python, BASH, whatever...) > > > Any opinions or alternatives? > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/ARAZX…

June 23, 2023

Re: Personal Continuing Education

by gruntly＠gmail.com

On Fri, Jun 23, 2023 at 4:59 PM Kevin Stratton wrote: > > I have been looking at the following for personal education to get > better skills in general. ( I already have a Bachelors, but am very rusty) > ... > I am focused on the following topics: > > 1) Electronics (Engineering level) > > 2) Math (College level, post algebra) > > 3) Programming (C, Python, BASH, whatever...) > > > Any opinions or alternatives? https://www.edx.org/ https://openlearning.mit.edu/ Many, many courses are free of charge. If you want some official credential, they typically cost something. I've taken numerous EdX and MitX courses and been very pleased. HTH, Ted Ruegsegger

June 23, 2023

Personal Continuing Education

by Kevin Stratton

I have been looking at the following for personal education to get better skills in general. ( I already have a Bachelors, but am very rusty) 1) udemy.com - the prices for the courses change on the drop of a hat. The subscription does not cover all courses. Opinions on the coverage? 2) https://www.oreilly.com/online-learning/ - There is a subscription for courses, books, etc... , but there is not enough information to determine if I want it or not. 3) https://brilliant.org/ - Looking for opinions I am focused on the following topics: 1) Electronics (Engineering level) 2) Math (College level, post algebra) 3) Programming (C, Python, BASH, whatever...) Any opinions or alternatives?

June 23, 2023

Re: [EXT] Re: Keyboard recommendations

by steve＠patternsoft.net

June 21, 2023

Re: [EXT] Re: Keyboard recommendations

by Kuhn, Keegan

The TEK keyboard looks good and with familiar design. I thought at first you were talking about the brand I use: I currently have a TEX Shinobi, which has the trackpoint (like on Thinkpads) if you use those, as well as left click/right click/scroll. I like the size as well, which I find to be compact. My only real issues: I would choose switches other than browns (there is a DIY version which seems interesting) and the scroll button does not register as Mouse3. It is also maybe a bit pricey ________________________________ From: Frank Sweetser via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2023 2:16:56 PM To: Worcester Linux Users' Group General Discussion <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> Cc: Tim Keller <turbofx(a)gmail.com>; Frank Sweetser <frank.sweetser(a)gmail.com> Subject: [EXT] [WLUG] Re: Keyboard recommendations So my primary keyboard these days is one of the older TEK keyboards. They're still mostly QWERTY, but have moved a few of the special keys around, like enter and delete. Even these took some time to get used to, and a little more time to get used to switching back and forth with the typical layout on anything else. I'd have to see some pretty impressive improvements before I'd try to really put in the work to learn and switch between the whole alphabet. Besides, I find that the keyboard is rarely the bottleneck - I quite frequently can type faster than I can think, so typing faster wouldn't speed up my work at all! On Wed, Jun 21, 2023 at 10:27 AM Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org<mailto:wlug@lists.wlug.org>> wrote: What do people think of alternative keyboard layouts? I ask because a couple of my co-workers use "workman" https://raw.githubusercontent.com/kdeloach/workman/gh-pages/images/usage-vi… Tim. On Tue, Jun 20, 2023 at 4:43 PM John Stoffel via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org<mailto:wlug@lists.wlug.org>> wrote: >>>>> "Frank" == Frank Sweetser via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org<mailto:wlug@lists.wlug.org>> writes: > (hey man, long time no see!) Bringing keyboards sounds like an > interesting idea. What would everyone think about showing off their > keyboards as a meeting topic? It's an interesting idea. I'd be happy bring one of mine at some point, but not until after then end of June. _______________________________________________ WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org<mailto:wlug@lists.wlug.org> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org<mailto:wlug-leave@lists.wlug.org> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ Web Forum/Archive: https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/X2VGC… -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers". _______________________________________________ WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org<mailto:wlug@lists.wlug.org> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org<mailto:wlug-leave@lists.wlug.org> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ Web Forum/Archive: https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/7KAJX… -- - Frank

June 21, 2023

Re: Keyboard recommendations

by Frank Sweetser

So my primary keyboard these days is one of the older TEK keyboards. They're still mostly QWERTY, but have moved a few of the special keys around, like enter and delete. Even these took some time to get used to, and a little more time to get used to switching back and forth with the typical layout on anything else. I'd have to see some pretty impressive improvements before I'd try to really put in the work to learn and switch between the whole alphabet. Besides, I find that the keyboard is rarely the bottleneck - I quite frequently can type faster than I can think, so typing faster wouldn't speed up my work at all! On Wed, Jun 21, 2023 at 10:27 AM Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > What do people think of alternative keyboard layouts? > > I ask because a couple of my co-workers use "workman" > > https://raw.githubusercontent.com/kdeloach/workman/gh-pages/images/usage-vi… > > Tim. > > > On Tue, Jun 20, 2023 at 4:43 PM John Stoffel via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> > wrote: > >> >>>>> "Frank" == Frank Sweetser via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: >> >> > (hey man, long time no see!) Bringing keyboards sounds like an >> > interesting idea. What would everyone think about showing off their >> > keyboards as a meeting topic? >> >> It's an interesting idea. I'd be happy bring one of mine at some >> point, but not until after then end of June. >> _______________________________________________ >> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ >> Change Settings: >> https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ >> Web Forum/Archive: >> https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/X2VGC… >> > > > -- > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their > constituents as "consumers". > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/7KAJX… > -- - Frank

June 21, 2023

Re: Keyboard recommendations

by Tim Keller

What do people think of alternative keyboard layouts? I ask because a couple of my co-workers use "workman" https://raw.githubusercontent.com/kdeloach/workman/gh-pages/images/usage-vi… Tim. On Tue, Jun 20, 2023 at 4:43 PM John Stoffel via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > >>>>> "Frank" == Frank Sweetser via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > > > (hey man, long time no see!) Bringing keyboards sounds like an > > interesting idea. What would everyone think about showing off their > > keyboards as a meeting topic? > > It's an interesting idea. I'd be happy bring one of mine at some > point, but not until after then end of June. > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/X2VGC… > -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

June 21, 2023

Re: Keyboard recommendations

by John Stoffel

>>>>> "Frank" == Frank Sweetser via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > (hey man, long time no see!) Bringing keyboards sounds like an > interesting idea. What would everyone think about showing off their > keyboards as a meeting topic? It's an interesting idea. I'd be happy bring one of mine at some point, but not until after then end of June.

June 20, 2023

Re: Keyboard recommendations

by Frank Sweetser

(hey man, long time no see!) Bringing keyboards sounds like an interesting idea. What would everyone think about showing off their keyboards as a meeting topic? On Tue, Jun 20, 2023 at 8:35 AM Jeff Moyer <jmoyer(a)redhat.com> wrote: > Frank Sweetser via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > > > My primary mechanical keyboard that I've been using for a while is > starting > > to go a little flakey on me, even after a few rounds of cleaning, so I'm > > looking to finally replace it. I'm looking for something: > > > > - With fully mechanical keys (replaceable switches would be a nice > bonus) > > - Ergonomic layout, which these days seems to primarily mean a split > > design > > - Illuminated keycaps would be preferred > > > > Anyone have good recommendations they can share? > > I've tried the microsoft sculpt, split keyboards including the kinesis > freestyle and the ultimate hacking keyboard, and the kinesis advantage > (and the older classic). The kinesis advantage/classic is by far the > best for me--nothing else even comes close. I've been using that > keyboard for at least the past 15 years. > > Keyboards are a personal decision, though. I have a couple you could > try out if you want to borrow them--the kinesis classic (ps2 connector > required) and the kinesis freestyle, with the tenting accessory (for > vertical typing). > > Good luck with your hunt! > > -Jeff > > -- - Frank

June 20, 2023

Re: Keyboard recommendations

by Jeff Moyer

Frank Sweetser via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > My primary mechanical keyboard that I've been using for a while is starting > to go a little flakey on me, even after a few rounds of cleaning, so I'm > looking to finally replace it. I'm looking for something: > > - With fully mechanical keys (replaceable switches would be a nice bonus) > - Ergonomic layout, which these days seems to primarily mean a split > design > - Illuminated keycaps would be preferred > > Anyone have good recommendations they can share? I've tried the microsoft sculpt, split keyboards including the kinesis freestyle and the ultimate hacking keyboard, and the kinesis advantage (and the older classic). The kinesis advantage/classic is by far the best for me--nothing else even comes close. I've been using that keyboard for at least the past 15 years. Keyboards are a personal decision, though. I have a couple you could try out if you want to borrow them--the kinesis classic (ps2 connector required) and the kinesis freestyle, with the tenting accessory (for vertical typing). Good luck with your hunt! -Jeff

June 20, 2023

Re: Keyboard recommendations

by Eric Martin

I’m sure you’ve already looked; TrulyErgononic Cleave is my daily driver. It’s super comfy; I’m trying to see if I have a coupon since iirc they sent an email that they’re stopping production. https://trulyergonomic.com/ergonomic-keyboards/mechanical-keyboards/product… Eric > On Jun 16, 2023, at 19:51, Frank Sweetser via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > > > My primary mechanical keyboard that I've been using for a while is starting to go a little flakey on me, even after a few rounds of cleaning, so I'm looking to finally replace it. I'm looking for something: > With fully mechanical keys (replaceable switches would be a nice bonus) > Ergonomic layout, which these days seems to primarily mean a split design > Illuminated keycaps would be preferred > Anyone have good recommendations they can share? > -- > - Frank > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/F6ZHF…

June 20, 2023

Re: Keyboard recommendations

by Chuck Anderson

Kinesis Freestyle Edge RGB. On Fri, Jun 16, 2023 at 07:51:30PM -0400, Frank Sweetser via WLUG wrote: > My primary mechanical keyboard that I've been using for a while is starting > to go a little flakey on me, even after a few rounds of cleaning, so I'm > looking to finally replace it. I'm looking for something: > > - With fully mechanical keys (replaceable switches would be a nice bonus) > - Ergonomic layout, which these days seems to primarily mean a split > design > - Illuminated keycaps would be preferred > > Anyone have good recommendations they can share? > -- > - Frank

June 20, 2023

Re: Keyboard recommendations

by Tim Keller

My two favorite keyboards are as follows: 1. Microsoft/Logitech Ergo keyboards. I've got a couple of these. I do like that out of the box Ubuntu fully supports the macro keys. 2. Kinesis Advantage 2. This keyboard took a bit for me to be comfortable using: https://www.amazon.com/Kinesis-Advantage2-Ergonomic-Keyboard-KB600LFQ Thanks, Tim. On Fri, Jun 16, 2023 at 10:03 PM Dan Davis via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > I really like my Keychron v1 75% (function keys but no numpad). > > > https://www.keychron.com/products/keychron-v1-qmk-via-custom-mechanical-key… > > It's good a really heavy aluminum base, hot swap keys, and replaceable > caps. Keeb dorkdom is a REALLY deep rabbit hole as has already been said, > but with something like this you get a very useful keyboard that you can > build on later should you desire. > > On Fri, Jun 16, 2023, 19:51 Frank Sweetser via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> > wrote: > >> My primary mechanical keyboard that I've been using for a while is >> starting to go a little flakey on me, even after a few rounds of cleaning, >> so I'm looking to finally replace it. I'm looking for something: >> >> - With fully mechanical keys (replaceable switches would be a nice >> bonus) >> - Ergonomic layout, which these days seems to primarily mean a split >> design >> - Illuminated keycaps would be preferred >> >> Anyone have good recommendations they can share? >> -- >> - Frank >> _______________________________________________ >> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ >> Change Settings: >> https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ >> Web Forum/Archive: >> https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/F6ZHF… >> > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/LJUXE… > -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

June 19, 2023

Re: Keyboard recommendations

by Frank Sweetser

Thanks, I'll check them out! On Mon, Jun 19, 2023, 3:01 PM John Stoffel <john(a)stoffel.org> wrote: > >>>>> "Frank" == Frank Sweetser via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > > > My primary mechanical keyboard that I've been using for a while is > > starting to go a little flakey on me, even after a few rounds of > > cleaning, so I'm looking to finally replace it. I'm looking for > > something: > > > * With fully mechanical keys (replaceable switches would be a nice > bonus) > > * Ergonomic layout, which these days seems to primarily mean a split > design > > * Illuminated keycaps would be preferred > > > Anyone have good recommendations they can share? > > I've got a pair of WASDkeyboards 'CODE' keyboards. I wish the keycaps > were doubleshot for more durability, but I've been driving these for a > number of years now without any problems. These are TKL boards, not > split, but I find that they are ergonomic enough for me. Also, these > use the 'clear' stems from CherryMX, which means they're not super > loud or clicky. But people would still complain about how loud they > are on some conf calls at times. :-) > > Now that I work from home mostly (99% of the time) I don't help other > user's as much so maybe I should go down the ergonomic rathole and get > something really funky. But having to them move to a laptop and other > machines in the house makes me pause. > > Plus I'd then want to get TWO new keyboards so I have a primary and a > spare for when I needed it. >

June 19, 2023

Re: Keyboard recommendations

by John Stoffel

>>>>> "Frank" == Frank Sweetser via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > My primary mechanical keyboard that I've been using for a while is > starting to go a little flakey on me, even after a few rounds of > cleaning, so I'm looking to finally replace it. I'm looking for > something: > * With fully mechanical keys (replaceable switches would be a nice bonus) > * Ergonomic layout, which these days seems to primarily mean a split design > * Illuminated keycaps would be preferred > Anyone have good recommendations they can share? I've got a pair of WASDkeyboards 'CODE' keyboards. I wish the keycaps were doubleshot for more durability, but I've been driving these for a number of years now without any problems. These are TKL boards, not split, but I find that they are ergonomic enough for me. Also, these use the 'clear' stems from CherryMX, which means they're not super loud or clicky. But people would still complain about how loud they are on some conf calls at times. :-) Now that I work from home mostly (99% of the time) I don't help other user's as much so maybe I should go down the ergonomic rathole and get something really funky. But having to them move to a laptop and other machines in the house makes me pause. Plus I'd then want to get TWO new keyboards so I have a primary and a spare for when I needed it.

June 19, 2023

Re: Keyboard recommendations

by Dan Davis

I really like my Keychron v1 75% (function keys but no numpad). https://www.keychron.com/products/keychron-v1-qmk-via-custom-mechanical-key… It's good a really heavy aluminum base, hot swap keys, and replaceable caps. Keeb dorkdom is a REALLY deep rabbit hole as has already been said, but with something like this you get a very useful keyboard that you can build on later should you desire. On Fri, Jun 16, 2023, 19:51 Frank Sweetser via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > My primary mechanical keyboard that I've been using for a while is > starting to go a little flakey on me, even after a few rounds of cleaning, > so I'm looking to finally replace it. I'm looking for something: > > - With fully mechanical keys (replaceable switches would be a nice > bonus) > - Ergonomic layout, which these days seems to primarily mean a split > design > - Illuminated keycaps would be preferred > > Anyone have good recommendations they can share? > -- > - Frank > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/F6ZHF… >

June 17, 2023

Re: [EXT] Keyboard recommendations

by Frank Sweetser

Yeah, I think my favorite out there one so far is this one that requires side view mirrors to learn to use it properly: https://www.allthingsergo.com/safetype-keyboard/ I've also avoided most of the kit ones, simply because I just don't have the time these days to do that much soldering. The Ergodox does seem like it fits the bill, even if it's on the pricier side, so I may just go with that one if nothing better appears. thanks! On Fri, Jun 16, 2023 at 7:53 PM Krichevsky, Nicholas <njkrichevsky(a)wpi.edu> wrote: > Don't go too deep into the world of ergo keyboards... People take it very > seriously. > > My immediate recommendations are either a Moonlander or Ergodox. I haven't > used either personally, but I've heard good things about them. > > Get Outlook for Android <https://aka.ms/AAb9ysg> > ------------------------------ > *From:* Frank Sweetser via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> > *Sent:* Friday, June 16, 2023 7:51:30 PM > *To:* Worcester Linux Users' Group General Discussion <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > > > *Cc:* Frank Sweetser <frank.sweetser(a)gmail.com> > *Subject:* [EXT] [WLUG] Keyboard recommendations > > My primary mechanical keyboard that I've been using for a while is > starting to go a little flakey on me, even after a few rounds of cleaning, > so I'm looking to finally replace it. I'm looking for something: > > - With fully mechanical keys (replaceable switches would be a nice > bonus) > - Ergonomic layout, which these days seems to primarily mean a split > design > - Illuminated keycaps would be preferred > > Anyone have good recommendations they can share? > -- > - Frank > -- - Frank

June 17, 2023

Re: [EXT] Keyboard recommendations

by Krichevsky, Nicholas

Don't go too deep into the world of ergo keyboards... People take it very seriously. My immediate recommendations are either a Moonlander or Ergodox. I haven't used either personally, but I've heard good things about them. Get Outlook for Android<https://aka.ms/AAb9ysg> ________________________________ From: Frank Sweetser via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> Sent: Friday, June 16, 2023 7:51:30 PM To: Worcester Linux Users' Group General Discussion <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> Cc: Frank Sweetser <frank.sweetser(a)gmail.com> Subject: [EXT] [WLUG] Keyboard recommendations My primary mechanical keyboard that I've been using for a while is starting to go a little flakey on me, even after a few rounds of cleaning, so I'm looking to finally replace it. I'm looking for something: * With fully mechanical keys (replaceable switches would be a nice bonus) * Ergonomic layout, which these days seems to primarily mean a split design * Illuminated keycaps would be preferred Anyone have good recommendations they can share? -- - Frank

June 16, 2023

Keyboard recommendations

by Frank Sweetser

My primary mechanical keyboard that I've been using for a while is starting to go a little flakey on me, even after a few rounds of cleaning, so I'm looking to finally replace it. I'm looking for something: - With fully mechanical keys (replaceable switches would be a nice bonus) - Ergonomic layout, which these days seems to primarily mean a split design - Illuminated keycaps would be preferred Anyone have good recommendations they can share? -- - Frank

June 16, 2023

Re: Laser cut puzzles?

by John Stoffel

>>>>> "Mike" == Mike Peckar via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > So, if you're a jigsaw puzzle fan, check out Bob Armstrong's page > at https://www.oldpuzzles.com/ and his son Conrad's page > at https://newpuzzles.com/ Very cool stuff! I'm looking more for a quick way to send my daughter at camp an interesting letter. I've done a spiral text, a crossword puzzle, and this year will be a real puzzle. It's something fun to keep me learning new stuff. Can't wait to take the laser class in Technocopia this monday. > Bob is a friend and is a fixture at Briarwood in Worcester. Cool, my neighbor Anita used to work there.

June 16, 2023

Re: Laser cut puzzles?

by Mike Peckar

So, if you're a jigsaw puzzle fan, check out Bob Armstrong's page at https://www.oldpuzzles.com/ and his son Conrad's page at https://newpuzzles.com/ Bob is a friend and is a fixture at Briarwood in Worcester. Mike On Mon, Jun 12, 2023 at 8:45 PM John Stoffel via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > >>>>> "Dennis" == Dennis Payne <dulsi(a)identicalsoftware.com> writes: > > > Probably not helpful to you but I've used piczzle.com to create a > > wooden puzzle. Obviously this isn't as immediate as doing it locally. > > Probably also costs more. > > Thanks for the pointer! It's more picture oriented, but it does look > really slick and I could see doing this down the line for a family > photo for sure. > > > In my case I commissioned the image for the puzzle. Attached is a > > picture of it in progress. It is approximately 28"x20" when complete. > > Very nice! > > So just now I signed up for the laser cutter class next monday at > Technocopia in Worcester. I'll try to write up a review and share my > thoughts. I've got a basic inkscape plugin as well for generating the > puzzle pieces and then I layered on some text on top for the letter. > > Need to re-learn my inkscape so I can make it look better. > > John > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/T5JT4… >

June 14, 2023

Re: Laser cut puzzles?

by John Stoffel

>>>>> "Dennis" == Dennis Payne <dulsi(a)identicalsoftware.com> writes: > Probably not helpful to you but I've used piczzle.com to create a > wooden puzzle. Obviously this isn't as immediate as doing it locally. > Probably also costs more. Thanks for the pointer! It's more picture oriented, but it does look really slick and I could see doing this down the line for a family photo for sure. > In my case I commissioned the image for the puzzle. Attached is a > picture of it in progress. It is approximately 28"x20" when complete. Very nice! So just now I signed up for the laser cutter class next monday at Technocopia in Worcester. I'll try to write up a review and share my thoughts. I've got a basic inkscape plugin as well for generating the puzzle pieces and then I layered on some text on top for the letter. Need to re-learn my inkscape so I can make it look better. John

June 13, 2023

Re: Laser cut puzzles?

by Dennis Payne

Probably not helpful to you but I've used piczzle.com to create a wooden puzzle. Obviously this isn't as immediate as doing it locally. Probably also costs more. In my case I commissioned the image for the puzzle. Attached is a picture of it in progress. It is approximately 28"x20" when complete. -- Dennis Payne dulsi(a)identicalsoftware.com https://mastodon.gamedev.place/@dulsi

June 13, 2023

Re: Laser cut puzzles?

by Tim Keller

That's something that Technopia could definitely do. Tim. On Mon, Jun 12, 2023, 4:58 PM John Stoffel via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > > Guys, > Anyone have a lead to where I could get a puzzle design cut out with a > laser from either thick cardboard or thin plywood? But I also want to > engrave a message on the puzzle pieces before they're cut out. > > I've been looking into inkscape pluggins for this and I think I've got > one I can use, it's now finding someone/place with the right > equipment. > > Any ideas? > > The message would just be text, maybe some simple graphics. Nothing > crazy, but the entire idea is to make the message into a puzzle to be > put together. > > John > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/24DOX… >

June 12, 2023

Laser cut puzzles?

by John Stoffel

Guys, Anyone have a lead to where I could get a puzzle design cut out with a laser from either thick cardboard or thin plywood? But I also want to engrave a message on the puzzle pieces before they're cut out. I've been looking into inkscape pluggins for this and I think I've got one I can use, it's now finding someone/place with the right equipment. Any ideas? The message would just be text, maybe some simple graphics. Nothing crazy, but the entire idea is to make the message into a puzzle to be put together. John

June 12, 2023

Re: Wacom One with Pressure Sensitivity

by Joshua Stone

I wonder how much GIMP has improved in recent years. Last I checked, its gtk3 port was only recently completed (many applications have moved onto gtk4 and gtk5 is being planned already), and native Wayland support is still a work-in-progress: Non-destructive editing is also not expected to be available for a long time: https://developer.gimp.org/core/roadmap/#gimp-30-development-branch-roadmap Good to see that it's usable with a tablet though! My wife has used GIMP before for drawing, but these days she prefers using Krita. It seems like the content creation story has a long way to go on Linux, but it might not be too long before features like HDR land: https://emersion.fr/blog/2023/hdr-hackfest-wrap-up/ https://pointieststick.com/2023/05/20/this-week-in-kde-preliminary-hdr-supp… - Josh On Sat, Jun 10, 2023 at 2:51 PM Dennis Payne via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > I bought a used Wacom One a while ago. It is a drawing tablet (not a > standalone tablet as it needs to hook up to a computer). It has an display > that you can use the stylus on. > > You can find some examples of my bad art on mastodon: > > > https://cdn.masto.host/mastodongamedevplace/media_attachments/files/110/413… > > https://cdn.masto.host/mastodongamedevplace/media_attachments/files/110/469… > > Recently I finally determined how to turn on the pressure sensitivity in > gimp. If you go to Edit->Input Devices, you can enable "xwayland-tablet > stylus". (Obviously it probably has a different name if you aren't using > wayland.) Once enabled the "Dynamics" setting in Tool Options takes effect. > You can choose from a large variety of options. > > For example, "Basic Dynamics" makes pressure affect opacity and velocity > affect size. I've been using "Pressure Size" which simply makes pressure > affect the size of the pencil (or other tool). > > It probably hard to tell from this scaled down image but the lines for the > eyebrows have a different thickness from the larger outer lines. I used to > have to edit the tool settings to do that so this is nicer. I'm sure a > trained artist could produce better output. > > > https://cdn.masto.host/mastodongamedevplace/media_attachments/files/110/510… > > > -- > > Dennis Paynedulsi@identicalsoftware.comhttps://mastodon.gamedev.place/@dulsi > > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/M2MAH… >

June 11, 2023

Wacom One with Pressure Sensitivity

by Dennis Payne

I bought a used Wacom One a while ago. It is a drawing tablet (not a standalone tablet as it needs to hook up to a computer). It has an display that you can use the stylus on. You can find some examples of my bad art on mastodon: https://cdn.masto.host/mastodongamedevplace/media_attachments/files/110/413… https://cdn.masto.host/mastodongamedevplace/media_attachments/files/110/469… Recently I finally determined how to turn on the pressure sensitivity in gimp. If you go to Edit->Input Devices, you can enable "xwayland- tablet stylus". (Obviously it probably has a different name if you aren't using wayland.) Once enabled the "Dynamics" setting in Tool Options takes effect. You can choose from a large variety of options. For example, "Basic Dynamics" makes pressure affect opacity and velocity affect size. I've been using "Pressure Size" which simply makes pressure affect the size of the pencil (or other tool). It probably hard to tell from this scaled down image but the lines for the eyebrows have a different thickness from the larger outer lines. I used to have to edit the tool settings to do that so this is nicer. I'm sure a trained artist could produce better output. https://cdn.masto.host/mastodongamedevplace/media_attachments/files/110/510… -- Dennis Payne dulsi(a)identicalsoftware.com https://mastodon.gamedev.place/@dulsi

June 10, 2023

Re: Reminder! WLUG meeting tonight! Topic: Flipper Zero / NixOS

by Patrick McEvilly

We are out front of Morgan on the quad side. > On Jun 8, 2023, at 3:50 PM, Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > > > Hey Gang! > > We've got a meeting tonight! > Time: 7PM > Date: June 8th, 2023 > !!LOCATION CHANGE!! WE will be meeting in the Morgan student center. > I think the best option is to meet on the quad side of Morgan until we can get let in. > Cara has reserved a conference room. > Virtual location: https://meet.jit.si/WlugMA > > > Cara Salter is going to show off her flipper zero. > If you don't know what the flipper zero is, you're in for a treat. You can check it out here: > https://flipperzero.one/ As they call it, it's a multitool for geeks. > > As usual, I'll have snacks and refreshments and afterwards we'll head off for dinner. > > Thanks, > Tim. > > > -- > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers". > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/XK7OI…

June 8, 2023

Reminder! WLUG meeting tonight! Topic: Flipper Zero / NixOS

by Tim Keller

Hey Gang! We've got a meeting tonight! Time: 7PM Date: June 8th, 2023 !!LOCATION CHANGE!! WE will be meeting in the Morgan student center. I think the best option is to meet on the quad side of Morgan until we can get let in. Cara has reserved a conference room. Virtual location: https://meet.jit.si/WlugMA Cara Salter is going to show off her flipper zero. If you don't know what the flipper zero is, you're in for a treat. You can check it out here: https://flipperzero.one/ As they call it, it's a multitool for geeks. As usual, I'll have snacks and refreshments and afterwards we'll head off for dinner. Thanks, Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

June 8, 2023

WLUG Meeting this Thursday! Topic: Flipper Zero (maybe)

by Tim Keller

Hey Everybody, We've got a meeting this Thursday! Date: June 8th, 2023 Time: 7pm Location: WPI, still working out the room details Topic: Flipper Zero (hopefully), Otherwise, NixOS. At our last meeting, Cara spoke briefly about bring her Flipper Zero to show off. I managed to blow up my laptop with a failed Ubuntu upgrade and decided to experiment with NixOS. So I can show that off as well. Snacks and Refreshments will be provided and we'll do dinner afterwards. Thanks, Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

June 6, 2023

Re: Reminder: WLUG Meeting Tonight (May 18th 2023) Location: Higgins Lab 102

by Tim Keller

No problem. Jitsi was having some weird issue and we ended up with a broken camera. I ended up doing my slideshow on k8s networking. Sorry about the vlug element not working. Tim. On Thu, May 18, 2023, 8:29 PM Dennis Payne <dulsi(a)identicalsoftware.com> wrote: > I ended up unable to make it. I can do a demo next month. > > On Thu, 2023-05-18 at 19:25 -0400, Tim Keller via WLUG wrote: > > That would be cool! > > On Thu, May 18, 2023 at 3:56 PM Dennis Payne via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> > wrote: > > I played around with Love2D this morning. I can give a demo of it if you > want. Or it could be done at a different meeting. > > On Thu, 2023-05-18 at 14:02 -0400, Tim Keller via WLUG wrote: > > Hey Everybody, > > This is a reminder that we've got a meeting tonight! But not in our usual > location! > Instead we are going to be in Higgins lab in room 102! > > Date: May 18th, 2023 > Time: 7PM > Location: Higgins Lab (HL) Rm 102 > Virtual Location: https://meet.jit.si/WlugMA > Topic: Quick talk on linux name and network spaces. > > Snacks and drinks will be provided and we'll head off for dinner > afterwards! > Later, > Tim. > > -- > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their > constituents as "consumers". > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/A7PUR… > > > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/SEBDZ… > > > > -- > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their > constituents as "consumers". > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/WAUCZ… > > >

May 19, 2023

Re: Reminder: WLUG Meeting Tonight (May 18th 2023) Location: Higgins Lab 102

by Dennis Payne

I ended up unable to make it. I can do a demo next month. On Thu, 2023-05-18 at 19:25 -0400, Tim Keller via WLUG wrote: > That would be cool! > > On Thu, May 18, 2023 at 3:56 PM Dennis Payne via WLUG > <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > > I played around with Love2D this morning. I can give a demo of it > > if you want. Or it could be done at a different meeting. > > > > On Thu, 2023-05-18 at 14:02 -0400, Tim Keller via WLUG wrote: > > > Hey Everybody, > > > > > > This is a reminder that we've got a meeting tonight! But not in > > > our usual location! > > > Instead we are going to be in Higgins lab in room 102! > > > > > > Date: May 18th, 2023 > > > Time: 7PM > > > Location: Higgins Lab (HL) Rm 102 > > > Virtual Location: https://meet.jit.si/WlugMA > > > Topic: Quick talk on linux name and network spaces. > > > > > > Snacks and drinks will be provided and we'll head off for dinner > > > afterwards! > > > Later, > > > Tim. > > > > > > -- > > > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to > > > their constituents as "consumers". > > > _______________________________________________ > > > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > > > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > > > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > > > Change Settings: > > > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > > > Web Forum/Archive: > > > > > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/A7PUR… > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > > Change Settings: > > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > > Web Forum/Archive: > > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/SEBDZ… > > > -- > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their > constituents as "consumers". > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/WAUCZ…

May 19, 2023

Re: Reminder: WLUG Meeting Tonight (May 18th 2023) Location: Higgins Lab 102

by Keith Wright

Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > Hey Everybody, > > Virtual Location: https://meet.jit.si/WlugMA I joined a few minutes before 7, so did one other. One other had enough of my guff, and left. I hung out a while and eventually saw a WLUG meeting, but first the video went out and then the audio became a steady buzz. I quit the meeting and got back in. Still buzzing. I go elsewhere. -- Keith

May 18, 2023

Re: WLUG Meeting Thursday May 18th 2023! Location: Higgins Lab Rm 102

by Tim Keller

Currently in Higgins but having A/V issues. On Thu, May 18, 2023 at 2:37 PM John Stoffel <john(a)stoffel.org> wrote: > >>>>> "Tim" == Tim Keller <turbofx(a)gmail.com> writes: > > > Fair enough.. At least in the future we'll have someone in WLUG with > > up to date medical training! > > If you ski, you'll find me at Mt. Wachusett this winter patrolling. :-) > -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

May 18, 2023

Re: Reminder: WLUG Meeting Tonight (May 18th 2023) Location: Higgins Lab 102

by Tim Keller

That would be cool! On Thu, May 18, 2023 at 3:56 PM Dennis Payne via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > I played around with Love2D this morning. I can give a demo of it if you > want. Or it could be done at a different meeting. > > On Thu, 2023-05-18 at 14:02 -0400, Tim Keller via WLUG wrote: > > Hey Everybody, > > This is a reminder that we've got a meeting tonight! But not in our usual > location! > Instead we are going to be in Higgins lab in room 102! > > Date: May 18th, 2023 > Time: 7PM > Location: Higgins Lab (HL) Rm 102 > Virtual Location: https://meet.jit.si/WlugMA > Topic: Quick talk on linux name and network spaces. > > Snacks and drinks will be provided and we'll head off for dinner > afterwards! > Later, > Tim. > > -- > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their > constituents as "consumers". > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/A7PUR… > > > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/SEBDZ… > -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

May 18, 2023

Re: Reminder: WLUG Meeting Tonight (May 18th 2023) Location: Higgins Lab 102

by Dennis Payne

I played around with Love2D this morning. I can give a demo of it if you want. Or it could be done at a different meeting. On Thu, 2023-05-18 at 14:02 -0400, Tim Keller via WLUG wrote: > Hey Everybody, > > This is a reminder that we've got a meeting tonight! But not in our > usual location! > Instead we are going to be in Higgins lab in room 102! > > Date: May 18th, 2023 > Time: 7PM > Location: Higgins Lab (HL) Rm 102 > Virtual Location: https://meet.jit.si/WlugMA > Topic: Quick talk on linux name and network spaces. > > Snacks and drinks will be provided and we'll head off for dinner > afterwards! > Later, > Tim. > > -- > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their > constituents as "consumers". > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/A7PUR…

May 18, 2023

Reminder: WLUG Meeting Tonight (May 18th 2023) Location: Higgins Lab 102

by Tim Keller

Hey Everybody, This is a reminder that we've got a meeting tonight! But not in our usual location! Instead we are going to be in Higgins lab in room 102! Date: May 18th, 2023 Time: 7PM Location: Higgins Lab (HL) Rm 102 Virtual Location: https://meet.jit.si/WlugMA Topic: Quick talk on linux name and network spaces. Snacks and drinks will be provided and we'll head off for dinner afterwards! Later, Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

May 18, 2023

Re: WLUG Meeting Thursday May 18th 2023! Location: Higgins Lab Rm 102

by Tim Keller

Fair enough.. At least in the future we'll have someone in WLUG with up to date medical training! On Thu, May 18, 2023 at 10:21 AM John Stoffel via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > > Wish I could make it, busy with OEC class. > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/X2NCT… > -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

May 18, 2023

Re: WLUG Meeting Thursday May 18th 2023! Location: Higgins Lab Rm 102

by John Stoffel

Wish I could make it, busy with OEC class.

May 18, 2023

WLUG Meeting Thursday May 18th 2023! Location: Higgins Lab Rm 102

by Tim Keller

Hey Everybody, We've got a meeting on Thursday May 18th at 7PM. Location: Higgins Lab (HL) Rm 123 Virtual Location: https://meet.jit.si/WlugMA Topic: Good question! If people have something interesting they'd like to talk about, feel free. I can definitely talk about Linux namespaces and networking namespaces. I recently gave a talk about this at a different venue. Snacks and refreshments will be provided and afterwards we'll head off to dinner. Later, Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

May 16, 2023

Re: !!! NO WLUG TOMORROW !!! Meeting will be May 17th!

by Cara Salter

On Mon, 2023-05-15 at 09:16 -0400, Tim Keller wrote: > Cara, > > That's good to know. I wonder if there's somewhere else on campus we > can meet? I know we've meet up in one of the rooms in the gym > building. https://25live.collegenet.com/pro/wpi#!/home/location/230 Looks like HL 102 will be available at 7 PM on 18 May 2023.

May 16, 2023

Re: !!! NO WLUG TOMORROW !!! Meeting will be May 17th!

by Tim Keller

Cara, That's good to know. I wonder if there's somewhere else on campus we can meet? I know we've meet up in one of the rooms in the gym building. Tim. On Sun, May 14, 2023 at 5:24 PM Cara Salter via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > This Thursday (18th May) is Alumni Weekend, so the whole CC is booked > out by University Advancement. > > Best, > Cara > > On Thu, 2023-05-11 at 15:18 -0400, Tim Keller via WLUG wrote: > > Yeah.. great catch! > > > > The meeting will be the 18th, not the 17th. > > Thanks, > > Tim. > > > > On Thu, May 11, 2023 at 10:49 AM Chuck Anderson <cra(a)fea.st> wrote: > > > Do you mean Thursday May 18? > > > > > > On Wed, May 10, 2023 at 10:09:40AM -0400, Tim Keller via WLUG > > > wrote: > > > > I've recently been made aware that this Thursday is commencement. > > > > > > > > Speaking with Frank, the Trustees have reserved everything. > > > > > > > > Now knowing this, I'm going to push the meeting off to the 17th. > > > > > > > > As for a topic, I've got some ideas I'll put in further email. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Tim. > > > > > > -- > > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their > > constituents as "consumers". > > _______________________________________________ > > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > > Change Settings: > > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > > Web Forum/Archive: > > > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/GPP2T… > > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/AV2EM… > -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

May 15, 2023

Re: !!! NO WLUG TOMORROW !!! Meeting will be May 17th!

by Cara Salter

This Thursday (18th May) is Alumni Weekend, so the whole CC is booked out by University Advancement. Best, Cara On Thu, 2023-05-11 at 15:18 -0400, Tim Keller via WLUG wrote: > Yeah.. great catch! > > The meeting will be the 18th, not the 17th. > Thanks, > Tim. > > On Thu, May 11, 2023 at 10:49 AM Chuck Anderson <cra(a)fea.st> wrote: > > Do you mean Thursday May 18? > > > > On Wed, May 10, 2023 at 10:09:40AM -0400, Tim Keller via WLUG > > wrote: > > > I've recently been made aware that this Thursday is commencement. > > > > > > Speaking with Frank, the Trustees have reserved everything. > > > > > > Now knowing this, I'm going to push the meeting off to the 17th. > > > > > > As for a topic, I've got some ideas I'll put in further email. > > > Thanks, > > > Tim. > > > -- > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their > constituents as "consumers". > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/GPP2T…

May 14, 2023

Re: I need advice on a new ISP

by Keith Wright

Chuck Anderson via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > If you can hold your nose, Oracle Cloud offers free forever instances. > That is where the WLUG website and DNS server is running these days. > > https://www.oracle.com/cloud/free/ I am leaning toward this option. I know it works, because I get mail from WLUG and can see the web page. Also I know some people who know some things about it. The Oracle web pages that I have read do not say much about the operating system that is booted in a cloud "instance". What is it an instance of? Do I have to have an installation boot.iso to copy it to the cloud computer? Do they boot an OS before I log in? Do I get a choice? Digital Ocean mentions Debian Linux in the "Self Guided Tour" (some web pages linked together with "Next->" buttons), but on the Oracle web pages, I can't find any mention of any OS, Distribution, or software other that Oracle Database, which is not something I need. I have put some questions about ssh at: http://www.free-comp-shop.com/none/final.html#SSH > This sounds like a good WLUG topic: Getting Started with the Cloud. > How to open a Cloud account, install and manage Linux, IP addresses, > firewall rules, etc. I'd like to see that. Unfortunately, I am unlikely to actually go to WPI. Is there something I can read? Are all "Cloud accounts" about the same? I guess it's been almost two decades since I compiled a kernel to find a bug, but it seems like it all changed overnight. -- Keith

May 14, 2023

Re: !!! NO WLUG TOMORROW !!! Meeting will be May 17th!

by Tim Keller

Yeah.. great catch! The meeting will be the 18th, not the 17th. Thanks, Tim. On Thu, May 11, 2023 at 10:49 AM Chuck Anderson <cra(a)fea.st> wrote: > Do you mean Thursday May 18? > > On Wed, May 10, 2023 at 10:09:40AM -0400, Tim Keller via WLUG wrote: > > I've recently been made aware that this Thursday is commencement. > > > > Speaking with Frank, the Trustees have reserved everything. > > > > Now knowing this, I'm going to push the meeting off to the 17th. > > > > As for a topic, I've got some ideas I'll put in further email. > > Thanks, > > Tim. > -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

May 11, 2023

Re: !!! NO WLUG TOMORROW !!! Meeting will be May 17th!

by Chuck Anderson

Do you mean Thursday May 18? On Wed, May 10, 2023 at 10:09:40AM -0400, Tim Keller via WLUG wrote: > I've recently been made aware that this Thursday is commencement. > > Speaking with Frank, the Trustees have reserved everything. > > Now knowing this, I'm going to push the meeting off to the 17th. > > As for a topic, I've got some ideas I'll put in further email. > Thanks, > Tim.

May 11, 2023

Re: [EXT] Re: WLUG meeting?

by Bacon, John

Yes Thursday is Graduate Commencement. Yes Trustees are also on campus as well. Been a busy week/s at WPI. John Bacon WORCESTER POLYTECHNIC INSTITUTE Network Operations 100 Institute Road Worcester, MA | 01609-2280 508-831-5000 From: Patrick McEvilly via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2023 12:35 PM To: Tim Keller <turbofx(a)gmail.com> Cc: Worcester Linux Users' Group General Discussion <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org>; Joel <joelgroup(a)gmail.com>; pmcevilly(a)gmail.com Subject: [EXT] [WLUG] Re: WLUG meeting? I only know this because I’m “shipping product” from WPI that night 😊 From: Tim Keller <turbofx(a)gmail.com<mailto:turbofx@gmail.com>> Date: Wednesday, May 10, 2023 at 10:06 AM To: Patrick McEvilly <pmcevilly(a)gmail.com<mailto:pmcevilly@gmail.com>> Cc: Worcester Linux Users' Group General Discussion <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org<mailto:wlug@lists.wlug.org>>, Joel <joelgroup(a)gmail.com<mailto:joelgroup@gmail.com>> Subject: Re: [WLUG] WLUG meeting? I did not know this and Frank has informed me that the Trustees have actually booked the airspace above WPI.. I'm going to declare that we move the meeting off a week. It's going to be a madhouse this Thursday, let's not add to it. Thanks, Tim. On Wed, May 10, 2023 at 6:17 AM Patrick McEvilly <pmcevilly(a)gmail.com<mailto:pmcevilly@gmail.com>> wrote: Thursday evening is graduate commencement ceremonies. I’m not sure if that affects WLUG meetings. From: Joel via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org<mailto:wlug@lists.wlug.org>> Reply-To: Worcester Linux Users' Group General Discussion <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org<mailto:wlug@lists.wlug.org>> Date: Tuesday, May 9, 2023 at 10:36 PM To: Worcester Linux Users' Group General Discussion <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org<mailto:wlug@lists.wlug.org>> Cc: "turbofx(a)gmail.com<mailto:turbofx@gmail.com>" <turbofx(a)gmail.com<mailto:turbofx@gmail.com>>, Joel <joelgroup(a)gmail.com<mailto:joelgroup@gmail.com>> Subject: [WLUG] WLUG meeting? Hi, Is there a WLUG meeting this Thursday the 11th? Joel -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

May 10, 2023

Re: WLUG meeting?

by Patrick McEvilly

I only know this because I’m “shipping product” from WPI that night 😊 From: Tim Keller <turbofx(a)gmail.com> Date: Wednesday, May 10, 2023 at 10:06 AM To: Patrick McEvilly <pmcevilly(a)gmail.com> Cc: Worcester Linux Users' Group General Discussion <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org>, Joel <joelgroup(a)gmail.com> Subject: Re: [WLUG] WLUG meeting? I did not know this and Frank has informed me that the Trustees have actually booked the airspace above WPI.. I'm going to declare that we move the meeting off a week. It's going to be a madhouse this Thursday, let's not add to it. Thanks, Tim. On Wed, May 10, 2023 at 6:17 AM Patrick McEvilly <pmcevilly(a)gmail.com<mailto:pmcevilly@gmail.com>> wrote: Thursday evening is graduate commencement ceremonies. I’m not sure if that affects WLUG meetings. From: Joel via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org<mailto:wlug@lists.wlug.org>> Reply-To: Worcester Linux Users' Group General Discussion <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org<mailto:wlug@lists.wlug.org>> Date: Tuesday, May 9, 2023 at 10:36 PM To: Worcester Linux Users' Group General Discussion <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org<mailto:wlug@lists.wlug.org>> Cc: "turbofx(a)gmail.com<mailto:turbofx@gmail.com>" <turbofx(a)gmail.com<mailto:turbofx@gmail.com>>, Joel <joelgroup(a)gmail.com<mailto:joelgroup@gmail.com>> Subject: [WLUG] WLUG meeting? Hi, Is there a WLUG meeting this Thursday the 11th? Joel -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

May 10, 2023

!!! NO WLUG TOMORROW !!! Meeting will be May 17th!

by Tim Keller

I've recently been made aware that this Thursday is commencement. Speaking with Frank, the Trustees have reserved everything. Now knowing this, I'm going to push the meeting off to the 17th. As for a topic, I've got some ideas I'll put in further email. Thanks, Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

May 10, 2023

Re: WLUG meeting?

by Tim Keller

I did not know this and Frank has informed me that the Trustees have actually booked the airspace above WPI.. I'm going to declare that we move the meeting off a week. It's going to be a madhouse this Thursday, let's not add to it. Thanks, Tim. On Wed, May 10, 2023 at 6:17 AM Patrick McEvilly <pmcevilly(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Thursday evening is graduate commencement ceremonies. I’m not sure if > that affects WLUG meetings. > > > > *From: *Joel via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> > *Reply-To: *Worcester Linux Users' Group General Discussion < > wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> > *Date: *Tuesday, May 9, 2023 at 10:36 PM > *To: *Worcester Linux Users' Group General Discussion <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > > > *Cc: *"turbofx(a)gmail.com" <turbofx(a)gmail.com>, Joel <joelgroup(a)gmail.com> > *Subject: *[WLUG] WLUG meeting? > > > > Hi, > > > > Is there a WLUG meeting this Thursday the 11th? > > > > Joel > -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

May 10, 2023

Re: WLUG meeting?

by Patrick McEvilly

Thursday evening is graduate commencement ceremonies. I’m not sure if that affects WLUG meetings. From: Joel via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> Reply-To: Worcester Linux Users' Group General Discussion <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> Date: Tuesday, May 9, 2023 at 10:36 PM To: Worcester Linux Users' Group General Discussion <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> Cc: "turbofx(a)gmail.com" <turbofx(a)gmail.com>, Joel <joelgroup(a)gmail.com> Subject: [WLUG] WLUG meeting? Hi, Is there a WLUG meeting this Thursday the 11th? Joel

May 10, 2023

WLUG meeting?

by Joel

Hi, Is there a WLUG meeting this Thursday the 11th? Joel

May 10, 2023

Re: Shippy 1984

by Dennis Payne

I decided to make a cheesy trailer for Shippy 1984. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tG4RAYS3P5Y On Tue, 2023-04-11 at 08:13 -0400, hammerron via WLUG wrote: > I guess I'm very old school. I downloaded Shippy 1984 the other day. > I > really like it. > > Ron > > On 4/7/23 09:42, Dennis Payne via WLUG wrote: > > I was playing around with Shippy 1984. It is a Space > > Invaders/Galaxian > > style game. It is available on Fedora. It's pretty ugly. I decided > > to > > play around with a graphics update. Not all of the changes are in > > git > > yet. Some refinement is still needed. > > > > https://youtu.be/ZAzFP90lgW0 > > > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/BEKPU…

April 29, 2023

Re: solar/energy monitoring

by Chuck Anderson

We found out that our wine fridge needed defrosting and the fan had failed from how often it was running the compressor. Our base load is 500-800W and most of that is our computers. We have a 10kW PV system with 33 350W panels. On Fri, Apr 28, 2023 at 09:19:42AM -0400, Tim Keller via WLUG wrote: > So now that you have this installed, what were the interesting weird power > draws that you found? > > Also, how large is your solar install? > > On Fri, Apr 21, 2023 at 2:43 PM Chuck Anderson via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> > wrote: > > > I use IoTaWatt (http://iotawatt.com/) for solar/energy monitoring at > > home.

April 28, 2023

Re: solar/energy monitoring

by Tim Keller

Chuck, So now that you have this installed, what were the interesting weird power draws that you found? Also, how large is your solar install? Thanks, Tim. On Fri, Apr 21, 2023 at 2:43 PM Chuck Anderson via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > I use IoTaWatt (http://iotawatt.com/) for solar/energy monitoring at > home. It works with a standard web browser (no app required) and > doesn't require any kind of Internet/cloud connection (but can use one > if desired). It will keep years of data internally on the SD card and > you can make pretty graphs from your phone/laptop/whatever web > browser, or you can download the data and do whatever you want with > it. It is an open source software/open hardware design by a guy in > New Hampshire. It is manufactured in the US, and it is ETL > certified. ("The hardware is professionally manufactured in an ISO9001 > contract facility in New Hampshire, USA. The base units are ETL safety > certified to UL standards") > > See pics of my setup here: http://www.wlug.org/files/iotawatt/ > > $314.30 gets you a US 120V bundle with split-core CTs for 14 circuits > (2 mains + 12 branch circuits), 9V AC reference transformer, and USB > power supply. The split-core/clamp-on CTs are easy to install, just > open them up, place them around the wire, and close them. > > If you use non-split-core CTs (not included in the bundle above), you > need to to disconnect the hot lines from each circuit breaker to slip > on the CT, then reattach to the breaker. > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/NLLC7… > -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

April 28, 2023

Re: I need advice on a new ISP

by John Stoffel

Keith, I think you need to go back to basics here. What are the network connection options at your house? And what is your budget? For you, I suspect that in Worcester charter.net (spectrum.net) is your only other option for connectivity. Do you have Cable with them? It might be a simple call to just add internet onto your cable bill. Will certainly be faster than DSL, thought might cost more. Next, if you never turn off your modem, you will probably keep your IP address for quite a long time. I have charter and what I do is use 'dyndns.org' to host a dynamic IP address which maps 'jfs.dyndns.org' to my home IP, so I can get to my host system(s) from out side. Works well. And if my home IP changes, it just automatically updated on the external DNS. Once you get this figured out, then you can figure out how you will host your personal domain(s) and web services and such from either home, or out in the cloud. But breaking this down into smaller pieces will make things better. Also, I saw your post on your travails with the ASUS-RT66N Wifi access point. I didn't read it very closely, but I suspect what you need to do is turn the ASUS into 'AP' mode, and then NOT use the wan0 port at all. But if you want to route/firewall your Wifi from the rest of your network, then it can work. Personally, I like the TP-Link EAP-225 Wifi AP (Access Points) since it keeps all the routing down at the router. I use VLANs (a pain in their own right) to segregate traffic. You might want to read this article: https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2018/07/enterprise-wi-fi-at-… though it is outdated in particulars, and I wouldn't go with Ubiquity right now. But it's a good discussion on home networking. John

April 27, 2023

Re: I need advice on a new ISP

by John Stoffel

>>>>> "Keith" == Keith Wright <kwright(a)keithdiane.us> writes: > John Stoffel via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: >> For the DNS, you currently have two servers listed, but only one is >> working, the "dsl.keithdiane.net" at the same IP as listed above. > You scared me. What do you mean and why do you say it? Because I wanted to make sure you knew it might not be working like you expected, with out proper redundancy. But I might have been wrong too. It happens! > I use http://www.intodns.com/ to check my dns, and it said > (last time I used it; if I understand it) that it contacted > both the primary DNS in my basement, and the secondary > servers at ns?.he.net, and that they made sense and agreed. > The thing I feel guilty about is that the email address in > the SOA record is no good because it was set up with the > address I was given (kawright(a)speakeasy.net) by the original > ISP, but somewhere along the time line the ISP of the moment > decided it would no longer deliver mail to that address. > I never got around to changing the SOA. Might be a good idea to try and do it. > In other news: I put a summary of advice I have received > from WLUG and others, onto the web page: > http://www.free-comp-shop.com/none/final.html Nice! > Check it out, send me additional comments. Will do when I get a chance, not until the weekend I suspect due to other commitments. > If you have given me relevant advice, you may find your > words there, but I have removed names and addresses. > -- Keith

April 27, 2023

Re: I need advice on a new ISP

by Keith Wright

John Stoffel via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > For the DNS, you currently have two servers listed, but only one is > working, the "dsl.keithdiane.net" at the same IP as listed above. You scared me. What do you mean and why do you say it? I use http://www.intodns.com/ to check my dns, and it said (last time I used it; if I understand it) that it contacted both the primary DNS in my basement, and the secondary servers at ns?.he.net, and that they made sense and agreed. The thing I feel guilty about is that the email address in the SOA record is no good because it was set up with the address I was given (kawright(a)speakeasy.net) by the original ISP, but somewhere along the time line the ISP of the moment decided it would no longer deliver mail to that address. I never got around to changing the SOA. --- In other news: I put a summary of advice I have received from WLUG and others, onto the web page: http://www.free-comp-shop.com/none/final.html Check it out, send me additional comments. If you have given me relevant advice, you may find your words there, but I have removed names and addresses. -- Keith

April 27, 2023

solar/energy monitoring

by Chuck Anderson

I use IoTaWatt (http://iotawatt.com/) for solar/energy monitoring at home. It works with a standard web browser (no app required) and doesn't require any kind of Internet/cloud connection (but can use one if desired). It will keep years of data internally on the SD card and you can make pretty graphs from your phone/laptop/whatever web browser, or you can download the data and do whatever you want with it. It is an open source software/open hardware design by a guy in New Hampshire. It is manufactured in the US, and it is ETL certified. ("The hardware is professionally manufactured in an ISO9001 contract facility in New Hampshire, USA. The base units are ETL safety certified to UL standards") See pics of my setup here: http://www.wlug.org/files/iotawatt/ $314.30 gets you a US 120V bundle with split-core CTs for 14 circuits (2 mains + 12 branch circuits), 9V AC reference transformer, and USB power supply. The split-core/clamp-on CTs are easy to install, just open them up, place them around the wire, and close them. If you use non-split-core CTs (not included in the bundle above), you need to to disconnect the hot lines from each circuit breaker to slip on the CT, then reattach to the breaker.

April 21, 2023

Science on State Street on Saturday

by Dennis Payne

Framingham State is having Science on State Street this Saturday Apr 22. It is an annual science festival they do. The NatickFOSS group has a booth at the event. I will be there with my homemade aracde machine. It runs from 2pm to 6pm. https://cm-center.org/soss2023 -- Dennis Payne dulsi(a)identicalsoftware.com https://mastodon.gamedev.place/@dulsi

April 21, 2023

Re: WLUG Meeting tonight.. maybe?

by Joe Sherman

Hi All, Sorry I can't make it tonight, but these all sound like great topics. I will definitely try to make it out next time! On Thu, Apr 20, 2023, 3:35 PM Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > Hey Everybody, > > The last couple of weeks have been challenging at best. > > If people want to have the meeting tonight that's great, I'll be unable to > make it (quite likely). > My Dad had heart surgery yesterday at MGH so there things I need to do. > > Option #1: You guys just have the meeting without me. > Option #2: We push the meeting out another week. > > Let me know what you guys want to do. > > Thanks, > Tim. > > -- > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their > constituents as "consumers". > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/Y4HX7… >

April 20, 2023

Re: MEETING TONIGHT!!! Campus Center rm 331 at 7PM!!

by Keith Wright

I got 404 errors when I tried jit.si at 7pm. After several tries with various computers I got into a meeting with one participant (me). It about 7:15 and if I see nothing new by the time I finish typing this, I will go somewhere else and get on with my life. -- Keith ps: nothing

April 20, 2023

Re: MEETING TONIGHT!!! Campus Center rm 331 at 7PM!!

by Joel

Also busy with an evening school thing. Will catch up at the next meeting. Joel On April 20, 2023 4:25:18 PM Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > Hey Everybody, > > We are going to have a meeting tonight. > Location: WPI Campus Center Rm 331 > Time: 7pm > Topic: Um.. yeah, no idea. We'll roll with it. > Virtual: https://meet.jit.si/WlugMA > > To everybody who wrote me privately, thank you. My dad is stable and okay, but in no shape to be visited, so WLUG is on! > > We can definitely talk about ISP's and self hosting and all the challenges that surround it. > Vintage games on Linux. > We can talk TrueNAS Scale and other stuff. > > Snacks and refreshments will be provided and afterwards we'll head out for dinner aftwards. > > > -- > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers". > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/CTIFE…

April 20, 2023

Re: MEETING TONIGHT!!! Campus Center rm 331 at 7PM!!

by Chuck Anderson

I'll be there! On Thu, Apr 20, 2023 at 04:25:00PM -0400, Tim Keller via WLUG wrote: > Hey Everybody, > > We are going to have a meeting tonight. > Location: WPI Campus Center Rm 331 > Time: 7pm > Topic: Um.. yeah, no idea. We'll roll with it. > Virtual: https://meet.jit.si/WlugMA > > To everybody who wrote me privately, thank you. My dad is stable and okay, > but in no shape to be visited, so WLUG is on! > > We can definitely talk about ISP's and self hosting and all the > challenges that surround it. > Vintage games on Linux. > We can talk TrueNAS Scale and other stuff. > > Snacks and refreshments will be provided and afterwards we'll head out for > dinner aftwards. > > > -- > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their > constituents as "consumers". > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/CTIFE…

April 20, 2023

Re: MEETING TONIGHT!!! Campus Center rm 331 at 7PM!!

by John Stoffel

Hi all, Won’t be able to make the meeting tonight, I have a class on thursdays until end of June. Tim, good luck with your dad! John Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 20, 2023, at 4:25 PM, Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > > > Hey Everybody, > > We are going to have a meeting tonight. > Location: WPI Campus Center Rm 331 > Time: 7pm > Topic: Um.. yeah, no idea. We'll roll with it. > Virtual: https://meet.jit.si/WlugMA > > To everybody who wrote me privately, thank you. My dad is stable and okay, but in no shape to be visited, so WLUG is on! > > We can definitely talk about ISP's and self hosting and all the challenges that surround it. > Vintage games on Linux. > We can talk TrueNAS Scale and other stuff. > > Snacks and refreshments will be provided and afterwards we'll head out for dinner aftwards. > > > -- > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers". > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/CTIFE…

April 20, 2023

MEETING TONIGHT!!! Campus Center rm 331 at 7PM!!

by Tim Keller

Hey Everybody, We are going to have a meeting tonight. Location: WPI Campus Center Rm 331 Time: 7pm Topic: Um.. yeah, no idea. We'll roll with it. Virtual: https://meet.jit.si/WlugMA To everybody who wrote me privately, thank you. My dad is stable and okay, but in no shape to be visited, so WLUG is on! We can definitely talk about ISP's and self hosting and all the challenges that surround it. Vintage games on Linux. We can talk TrueNAS Scale and other stuff. Snacks and refreshments will be provided and afterwards we'll head out for dinner aftwards. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

April 20, 2023

Re: WLUG Meeting tonight.. maybe?

by THE HAMMER

I am good with either option for the meeting. If it is decided on to be tonight, I'd just need to know this by about 4:45 (otherwise will make other plans) If it's decided to be pushed out another week, all good too. Ron ________________________________ From: Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2023 3:35 PM To: Worcester Linux Users' Group General Discussion <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> Cc: Tim Keller <turbofx(a)gmail.com> Subject: [WLUG] WLUG Meeting tonight.. maybe? Hey Everybody, The last couple of weeks have been challenging at best. If people want to have the meeting tonight that's great, I'll be unable to make it (quite likely). My Dad had heart surgery yesterday at MGH so there things I need to do. Option #1: You guys just have the meeting without me. Option #2: We push the meeting out another week. Let me know what you guys want to do. Thanks, Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

April 20, 2023

WLUG Meeting tonight.. maybe?

by Tim Keller

Hey Everybody, The last couple of weeks have been challenging at best. If people want to have the meeting tonight that's great, I'll be unable to make it (quite likely). My Dad had heart surgery yesterday at MGH so there things I need to do. Option #1: You guys just have the meeting without me. Option #2: We push the meeting out another week. Let me know what you guys want to do. Thanks, Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

April 20, 2023

Is there a WLUG meeting tonight?

by THE HAMMER

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April 20, 2023

Re: [EXT] I need advice on a new ISP

by Keith Wright

I won't apologize for a slow answer. You may soon be asking me to wait and first think a little more. Kevin Paetzold via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > The issue is Verizon. As soon as I saw that, I started to write a reply that said: "That's provably false. The letter came from GTT. Verizon is not under discussion." While I was editing that to make it more polite, I read on: > We were officially not getting our DSL "service" from Verizon > but it was their copper. Verizon did not even notify our ISP and > just disconnected the line (in Marlboro). We of course found out > when our equipment went offline. Now the question becomes: "How much do we trust Verizon?" That got me thinking. The letter from GTT does not mention Verizon, but why would they? Blaming Verizon might look (to the customer) like a lame excuse; it might look (to Verizon) like a legal cause of action. It doesn't need to be a conspiracy, sometimes quarrelling parties, each for their own reasons, don't feel motivated to explain things to _us_. Now the skills I learned in grad school, reading Kant's "Critique of Pure Reason", begin to suggest more questions. What did they actually tell me, and what have I added myself? The GTT letter is clearly a form letter. It might have been written years ago, to be automatically filled in and sent to anyone they plan to disconnect for any reason anywhere in the world. It says nothing at all about why. I assumed they decided there was not enough money to be made by charging a monthly fee to leave everything the same. On 4/13/23 15:06, Bacon, John via WLUG wrote: > So I suspect that it's not GTT that is really providing DSL but more > likely Verizon. This is true. GTT pays Verizon for local DSL delivery over copper wire. Every time I report a problem to GTT, they send Verizon to my house. > And since VZ is trying to get out of the copper business that is why > your dilemma. However Verizon is working to roll out Fios in the > city so maybe they will get your neighborhood before your > disconnected. If this were true, my plan would be to order FIOS (Fiber Optic) internet connection from Verizon and run it in parallel with DSL for a few months. Then I could get set up with the Fiber while continuing to use DSL for email, downloading software, seaching the web for answers, etc. I am afraid of being totally without internet while trying to get the new connection working. Unfortunately, the Verizon web site says FIOS is not available in my area. But when I tell their chat-bot/human of my fears of a coverage gap, it/he seems suspiciously knowledgeable about my problem and tells me not to worry. Maybe they think I will welcome my new overlords who will arrive just in time (for them). > Im not sure where your web servers are hosted They are hosted on a Debian Linux Intel Pentium in my basement. Linux is about doing it yourself. I don't have a web server host, just Apache running on Linux, not up in the cloud, down in the basement. More details can be read here: http://www.free-comp-shop.com/none/final.html at least for a few more months. -- Keith (thee/thou)

April 18, 2023

Re: [EXT] I need advice on a new ISP

by Kevin Paetzold

I believe John is correct. The issue is Verizon. Non profit which I am involved in went through this a couple years ago. We were officially not getting our DSL "service" from Verizon but it was their copper. Verizon did not even notify our ISP and just disconnected the line (in Marlboro). We of course found out when our equipment went offline. On 4/13/23 15:06, Bacon, John via WLUG wrote: > So I suspect that it's not GTT that is really providing DSL but more likely Verizon. And since VZ is trying to get out of the copper business that is why your dilemma. Since your in Worcester there are not many options. Charter Business or maybe going Cell based Business. However Verizon is working to roll out Fios in the city so maybe they will get your neighborhood before your disconnected. > > Im not sure where your web servers are hosted but you can use some web host company. I use TurnKey Internet (Latham, NY) > > Best of luck > > John Bacon > > WORCESTER POLYTECHNIC INSTITUTE > Network Operations > 100 Institute Road > Worcester, MA | 01609-2280 > 508-831-5000 > > -----Original Message----- > From: Keith Wright via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> > Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2023 12:25 AM > To: Worcester Linux Users' Group General Discussion <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> > Cc: wlug(a)lists.wlug.org; Keith Wright <kwright(a)keithdiane.us> > Subject: [EXT] [WLUG] I need advice on a new ISP > > Well, the BIG problem that I have feared so long has arrived. > > GTT (my ISP) sent me a letter. The letter does not mention it, but GTT has filed for bankruptcy protection. > > The letter is full of things that I do not fully understand, but the bottom line is: "We no longer want to do business with you. You have a few months to get a new ISP, then we will unplug the wire." > > It seems there is not enough money to be made by charging a monthly fee to leave everything as it is. > > I have had the same IPv4 address for almost exactly 20 years and a lot things depend on that. There are three domain names that point to that address. There is a name server, a mail server, and a web server. > > I don't know how many of those things can be kept working with a new ISP. I will spend a few days asking for advice, and then decide. > > I don't have much hope of keeping the IP address with a new ISP, but I would like to keep my domain names and continue to send and receive mail with addresses in those domains, and to be able to put up web pages in those domains with a minimum of censorship and advertising. I don't need the name server if there is another way of doing this. > > Currently, that is all done via a DSL line to my basement. It seems that the new way is to "spin up" a virtual machine in the "cloud", and run Linux and servers from there. I don't know much about that. > > I live in Worcester, about a mile from WPI. > > More details can be read here: > http://www.free-comp-shop.com/none/lossage.html > at least for a few more months. > > -- Keith > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/EUTXN… > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/IMJWZ…

April 15, 2023

Re: [EXT] I need advice on a new ISP

by Keith Wright

"Bacon, John via WLUG" <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > So I suspect that it's not GTT that is really providing DSL > but more likely Verizon. Yes. I am not sure what GTT is doing for me. If anything goes wrong they blame Verizon. I think GTT controls the routing of my IP address. They send packets to Verizon and pay them to deliver them to my house. > And since VZ is trying to get out of the copper business I don't have a copper fetish. I have a DSL modem, which is controlled by GTT. I think it's garbage if GTT does not keep making it work. On the front of the modem is an RJ45 socket. I plug one end of a cable into that and the other end into a ethernet card in an old Linux machine. IP packets with my address show up there, I don't really care how. > Im not sure where your web servers are hosted They are hosted on the afore mentioned Linux running Apache. The mailserver is the same machine running Postfix. There is a second ethernet card in that machine, which connects to my home network. http://www.free-comp-shop.com/none/wireless.html#diagram -- Keith

April 13, 2023

Re: [EXT] I need advice on a new ISP

by Bacon, John

So I suspect that it's not GTT that is really providing DSL but more likely Verizon. And since VZ is trying to get out of the copper business that is why your dilemma. Since your in Worcester there are not many options. Charter Business or maybe going Cell based Business. However Verizon is working to roll out Fios in the city so maybe they will get your neighborhood before your disconnected. Im not sure where your web servers are hosted but you can use some web host company. I use TurnKey Internet (Latham, NY) Best of luck John Bacon WORCESTER POLYTECHNIC INSTITUTE Network Operations 100 Institute Road Worcester, MA | 01609-2280 508-831-5000 -----Original Message----- From: Keith Wright via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2023 12:25 AM To: Worcester Linux Users' Group General Discussion <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> Cc: wlug(a)lists.wlug.org; Keith Wright <kwright(a)keithdiane.us> Subject: [EXT] [WLUG] I need advice on a new ISP Well, the BIG problem that I have feared so long has arrived. GTT (my ISP) sent me a letter. The letter does not mention it, but GTT has filed for bankruptcy protection. The letter is full of things that I do not fully understand, but the bottom line is: "We no longer want to do business with you. You have a few months to get a new ISP, then we will unplug the wire." It seems there is not enough money to be made by charging a monthly fee to leave everything as it is. I have had the same IPv4 address for almost exactly 20 years and a lot things depend on that. There are three domain names that point to that address. There is a name server, a mail server, and a web server. I don't know how many of those things can be kept working with a new ISP. I will spend a few days asking for advice, and then decide. I don't have much hope of keeping the IP address with a new ISP, but I would like to keep my domain names and continue to send and receive mail with addresses in those domains, and to be able to put up web pages in those domains with a minimum of censorship and advertising. I don't need the name server if there is another way of doing this. Currently, that is all done via a DSL line to my basement. It seems that the new way is to "spin up" a virtual machine in the "cloud", and run Linux and servers from there. I don't know much about that. I live in Worcester, about a mile from WPI. More details can be read here: http://www.free-comp-shop.com/none/lossage.html at least for a few more months. -- Keith _______________________________________________ WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ Web Forum/Archive: https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/EUTXN…

April 13, 2023

Re: I need advice on a new ISP

by John Stoffel

>>>>> "Chuck" == Chuck Anderson <cra(a)fea.st> writes: > On Wed, Apr 12, 2023 at 05:14:31PM -0400, John Stoffel wrote: >> > If you can hold your nose, Oracle Cloud offers free forever instances. >> > That is where the WLUG website and DNS server is running these days. >> >> > https://www.oracle.com/cloud/free/ >> >> > These are probablhy the most relevant free services you could use to >> > replicate what you have at home now: >> >> And what's the price? > Free forever. With google's history of just dumping products randommly and without notice? No thanks...

April 13, 2023

Re: I need advice on a new ISP

by Althea Shaheen

Oracle cloud has been awesome for me for well over a year now. They provide quite a lot for free and are very good about not letting you enable things that are not free by accident. I just make sure to have good backups of my data there, in case they decide to take it away, but that's good advice with anything really :) On Thu, Apr 13, 2023, at 08:33, Chuck Anderson via WLUG wrote: > I would give a talk on how to set up Oracle Cloud manually--no Ansible > or other automation. > > On Thu, Apr 13, 2023 at 07:59:14AM -0400, Doug Mildram via WLUG wrote: >> Doug/dmildram> The free Oracle cloud >> setup talk sounds awesome. >> >> I'd expect it would take quite some time, >> both for presenter to prepare AND >> maybe even for the meeting timeframe. >> John, I think I may get as well try to >> not learn what Ansible is >> (being less into code control, node >> automation, myself... >> though I've seen an amazing amount >> of interest on them on this group, >> then pondered how we balance the >> various knowledge/skill levels in wlug). >> >> Am I right to assume that for a one-off, >> i.e. one personal/home user wanting >> free cloud storage and maybe email, >> that the Ansible angle should >> be postponed to follow >> a dumber/simpler?? How To talk? >> >> --Background just to expose my mind: >> I was a unix sysadin for decades >> since 1985, but my modern skills got >> out of date around 2000. Fortunately >> for me, I lucked into working with >> Chuck,Frank, many others as a WPI >> network engineer 2010-2019. Thus, >> not a sysadmin any longer but just a >> cubicle wall away from all kinds of >> IT evolution via WPI. Heck, even the >> WPI IT sysadmins leaned a bit?more? >> on the brains in NetOps ! --love, doug >> >> On Wed, Apr 12, 2023, 10:24 PM Chuck Anderson via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> >> wrote: >> >> > On Wed, Apr 12, 2023 at 05:14:31PM -0400, John Stoffel wrote: >> > > > If you can hold your nose, Oracle Cloud offers free forever instances. >> > > > That is where the WLUG website and DNS server is running these days. >> > > >> > > > https://www.oracle.com/cloud/free/ >> > > >> > > > These are probablhy the most relevant free services you could use to >> > > > replicate what you have at home now: >> > > >> > > And what's the price? >> > >> > Free forever. > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/XTNSW…

April 13, 2023

Re: I need advice on a new ISP

by Chuck Anderson

I would give a talk on how to set up Oracle Cloud manually--no Ansible or other automation. On Thu, Apr 13, 2023 at 07:59:14AM -0400, Doug Mildram via WLUG wrote: > Doug/dmildram> The free Oracle cloud > setup talk sounds awesome. > > I'd expect it would take quite some time, > both for presenter to prepare AND > maybe even for the meeting timeframe. > John, I think I may get as well try to > not learn what Ansible is > (being less into code control, node > automation, myself... > though I've seen an amazing amount > of interest on them on this group, > then pondered how we balance the > various knowledge/skill levels in wlug). > > Am I right to assume that for a one-off, > i.e. one personal/home user wanting > free cloud storage and maybe email, > that the Ansible angle should > be postponed to follow > a dumber/simpler?? How To talk? > > --Background just to expose my mind: > I was a unix sysadin for decades > since 1985, but my modern skills got > out of date around 2000. Fortunately > for me, I lucked into working with > Chuck,Frank, many others as a WPI > network engineer 2010-2019. Thus, > not a sysadmin any longer but just a > cubicle wall away from all kinds of > IT evolution via WPI. Heck, even the > WPI IT sysadmins leaned a bit?more? > on the brains in NetOps ! --love, doug > > On Wed, Apr 12, 2023, 10:24 PM Chuck Anderson via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> > wrote: > > > On Wed, Apr 12, 2023 at 05:14:31PM -0400, John Stoffel wrote: > > > > If you can hold your nose, Oracle Cloud offers free forever instances. > > > > That is where the WLUG website and DNS server is running these days. > > > > > > > https://www.oracle.com/cloud/free/ > > > > > > > These are probablhy the most relevant free services you could use to > > > > replicate what you have at home now: > > > > > > And what's the price? > > > > Free forever.

April 13, 2023

Re: I need advice on a new ISP

by Doug Mildram

Doug/dmildram> The free Oracle cloud setup talk sounds awesome. I'd expect it would take quite some time, both for presenter to prepare AND maybe even for the meeting timeframe. John, I think I may get as well try to not learn what Ansible is (being less into code control, node automation, myself... though I've seen an amazing amount of interest on them on this group, then pondered how we balance the various knowledge/skill levels in wlug). Am I right to assume that for a one-off, i.e. one personal/home user wanting free cloud storage and maybe email, that the Ansible angle should be postponed to follow a dumber/simpler?? How To talk? --Background just to expose my mind: I was a unix sysadin for decades since 1985, but my modern skills got out of date around 2000. Fortunately for me, I lucked into working with Chuck,Frank, many others as a WPI network engineer 2010-2019. Thus, not a sysadmin any longer but just a cubicle wall away from all kinds of IT evolution via WPI. Heck, even the WPI IT sysadmins leaned a bit?more? on the brains in NetOps ! --love, doug On Wed, Apr 12, 2023, 10:24 PM Chuck Anderson via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > On Wed, Apr 12, 2023 at 05:14:31PM -0400, John Stoffel wrote: > > > If you can hold your nose, Oracle Cloud offers free forever instances. > > > That is where the WLUG website and DNS server is running these days. > > > > > https://www.oracle.com/cloud/free/ > > > > > These are probablhy the most relevant free services you could use to > > > replicate what you have at home now: > > > > And what's the price? > > Free forever. > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/MCOR4… >

April 13, 2023

Re: I need advice on a new ISP

by soup

I've no love for oracle but OCI is probably one of the better deals for a 'traditional' cloud provider. The 10TB out finally forced AWS to increase their free-tier and it's still a fraction of that at 100GB, from 1GB. Their ARM works well for my purposes but is slower than graviton, not a concern here certainly. -soup On Wed, Apr 12, 2023 at 10:24 PM Chuck Anderson via WLUG < wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > On Wed, Apr 12, 2023 at 05:14:31PM -0400, John Stoffel wrote: > > > If you can hold your nose, Oracle Cloud offers free forever instances. > > > That is where the WLUG website and DNS server is running these days. > > > > > https://www.oracle.com/cloud/free/ > > > > > These are probablhy the most relevant free services you could use to > > > replicate what you have at home now: > > > > And what's the price? > > Free forever. > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/MCOR4… >

April 13, 2023

Re: I need advice on a new ISP

by Chuck Anderson

On Wed, Apr 12, 2023 at 05:14:31PM -0400, John Stoffel wrote: > > If you can hold your nose, Oracle Cloud offers free forever instances. > > That is where the WLUG website and DNS server is running these days. > > > https://www.oracle.com/cloud/free/ > > > These are probablhy the most relevant free services you could use to > > replicate what you have at home now: > > And what's the price? Free forever.

April 13, 2023

Re: I need advice on a new ISP

by John Stoffel

>>>>> "Chuck" == Chuck Anderson via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > On Tue, Apr 11, 2023 at 10:02:24PM -0400, Cara Salter via WLUG wrote: >> Hi Tim & Keith, >> >> On Tue, 2023-04-11 at 21:20 -0400, Tim Keller via WLUG wrote: >> > >> > Though from a pure linux nerd point of view, I've come to love >> > Linode. It's basically a cloud provider built by linux geeks. Also if >> > you look around there are all kinds of incentives where they'll give >> > you a 100 bucks to screw around. >> > The other cloud provider I've tinkered with is digital ocean, as well >> > as AWS/GCP/Oracle cloud. >> > The pro/con of going to the cloud is they hide most of the knobs.. >> >> My personal beef with Linode and AWS/GCP is the price. I've had great >> success with NetCup[0] which currently runs my mail and backup servers. >> They're pretty cheap but I've been using them for two-three years with >> minimal issues. >> >> >> I have worked on Linode, DigitalOcean, and Vultr before and they're all >> great offerings, just a tad on the expensive side for me. The other problem (which I have and aluded to earlier) is that @charter.net is blocking all emails from linode IP blocks. Which sucks since that's the ISP for my town, unless you're lucky enough to live on the few streets with FIOS. > If you can hold your nose, Oracle Cloud offers free forever instances. > That is where the WLUG website and DNS server is running these days. > https://www.oracle.com/cloud/free/ > These are probablhy the most relevant free services you could use to > replicate what you have at home now: > - 2 AMD based Compute VMs with 1/8 OCPU** and 1 GB memory each > - Arm-based Ampere A1 cores and 24 GB of memory usable as 1 VM or up to > 4 VMs with 3,000 OCPU hours and 18,000 GB hours per month > ** 1 OCPU on x86 CPU Architecture (AMD and Intel) = 2 vCPUs; 1 OCPU > on Arm CPU Architecture (Ampere) = 1 vCPU > - 2 Block Volumes Storage, 200 GB total > - Outbound Data Transfer: 10 TB per month > - Email Delivery: 3,000 emails sent per day And what's the price? > This sounds like a good WLUG topic: Getting Started with the Cloud. > How to open a Cloud account, install and manage Linux, IP addresses, > firewall rules, etc. I could do a talk sometime about how I use ansible to setup Linodes and some of the issues and problems I've run into while doing so.

April 12, 2023

Re: I need advice on a new ISP

by Chuck Anderson

On Tue, Apr 11, 2023 at 10:02:24PM -0400, Cara Salter via WLUG wrote: > Hi Tim & Keith, > > On Tue, 2023-04-11 at 21:20 -0400, Tim Keller via WLUG wrote: > > > > Though from a pure linux nerd point of view, I've come to love > > Linode. It's basically a cloud provider built by linux geeks. Also if > > you look around there are all kinds of incentives where they'll give > > you a 100 bucks to screw around. > > The other cloud provider I've tinkered with is digital ocean, as well > > as AWS/GCP/Oracle cloud. > > The pro/con of going to the cloud is they hide most of the knobs.. > > My personal beef with Linode and AWS/GCP is the price. I've had great > success with NetCup[0] which currently runs my mail and backup servers. > They're pretty cheap but I've been using them for two-three years with > minimal issues. > > > I have worked on Linode, DigitalOcean, and Vultr before and they're all > great offerings, just a tad on the expensive side for me. If you can hold your nose, Oracle Cloud offers free forever instances. That is where the WLUG website and DNS server is running these days. https://www.oracle.com/cloud/free/ These are probablhy the most relevant free services you could use to replicate what you have at home now: - 2 AMD based Compute VMs with 1/8 OCPU** and 1 GB memory each - Arm-based Ampere A1 cores and 24 GB of memory usable as 1 VM or up to 4 VMs with 3,000 OCPU hours and 18,000 GB hours per month ** 1 OCPU on x86 CPU Architecture (AMD and Intel) = 2 vCPUs; 1 OCPU on Arm CPU Architecture (Ampere) = 1 vCPU - 2 Block Volumes Storage, 200 GB total - Outbound Data Transfer: 10 TB per month - Email Delivery: 3,000 emails sent per day This sounds like a good WLUG topic: Getting Started with the Cloud. How to open a Cloud account, install and manage Linux, IP addresses, firewall rules, etc.

April 12, 2023

Re: I need advice on a new ISP

by Cara Salter

Hi Tim & Keith, On Tue, 2023-04-11 at 21:20 -0400, Tim Keller via WLUG wrote: > > Though from a pure linux nerd point of view, I've come to love > Linode. It's basically a cloud provider built by linux geeks. Also if > you look around there are all kinds of incentives where they'll give > you a 100 bucks to screw around. > The other cloud provider I've tinkered with is digital ocean, as well > as AWS/GCP/Oracle cloud. > The pro/con of going to the cloud is they hide most of the knobs.. My personal beef with Linode and AWS/GCP is the price. I've had great success with NetCup[0] which currently runs my mail and backup servers. They're pretty cheap but I've been using them for two-three years with minimal issues. I have worked on Linode, DigitalOcean, and Vultr before and they're all great offerings, just a tad on the expensive side for me. -- Cara (she/her)

April 12, 2023

Re: I need advice on a new ISP

by Tim Keller

Keith, That sucks that your ISP is going (further it sounds) into the crapper. I suspect that your option in our area is likely Verizon of some kind, though maybe comcast/Spectrum competes in that area as well. In any case, to have a static IP they're likely going to force you to have a business line of some kind. Looking on the Verizon website "Fios Business" is $50/month for 50mbit up / 50mbit down. As for keeping your IP address, I agree with you, I don't see much hope there, but who knows. As for putting stuff in the cloud, it's just a virtual machine running who knows where. Though from a pure linux nerd point of view, I've come to love Linode. It's basically a cloud provider built by linux geeks. Also if you look around there are all kinds of incentives where they'll give you a 100 bucks to screw around. The other cloud provider I've tinkered with is digital ocean, as well as AWS/GCP/Oracle cloud. The pro/con of going to the cloud is they hide most of the knobs.. Tim. On Tue, Apr 11, 2023 at 12:25 AM Keith Wright via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > Well, the BIG problem that I have feared so long has arrived. > > GTT (my ISP) sent me a letter. The letter does not mention it, but GTT > has filed for bankruptcy protection. > > The letter is full of things that I do not fully understand, but the > bottom line is: "We no longer want to do business with you. You have a > few months to get a new ISP, then we will unplug the wire." > > It seems there is not enough money to be made by charging a monthly fee > to leave everything as it is. > > I have had the same IPv4 address for almost exactly 20 years and a lot > things depend on that. There are three domain names that point to that > address. There is a name server, a mail server, and a web server. > > I don't know how many of those things can be kept working with a new > ISP. I will spend a few days asking for advice, and then decide. > > I don't have much hope of keeping the IP address with a new ISP, but I > would like to keep my domain names and continue to send and receive mail > with addresses in those domains, and to be able to put up web pages in > those domains with a minimum of censorship and advertising. I don't need > the name server if there is another way of doing this. > > Currently, that is all done via a DSL line to my basement. It seems > that the new way is to "spin up" a virtual machine in the "cloud", > and run Linux and servers from there. I don't know much about that. > > I live in Worcester, about a mile from WPI. > > More details can be read here: > http://www.free-comp-shop.com/none/lossage.html > at least for a few more months. > > -- Keith > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/EUTXN… > -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

April 12, 2023

Re: I need advice on a new ISP

by John Stoffel

>>>>> "Keith" == Keith Wright via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > Well, the BIG problem that I have feared so long has arrived. > GTT (my ISP) sent me a letter. The letter does not mention it, but GTT > has filed for bankruptcy protection. Is this gtt.net? And you're only getting a DSL line from them? Sounds like they're just giving up the local home business, probably not the business service. > The letter is full of things that I do not fully understand, but the > bottom line is: "We no longer want to do business with you. You have a > few months to get a new ISP, then we will unplug the wire." Did you ask about your IP being transferable? It's probably not easy, but you might be able to do so. > It seems there is not enough money to be made by charging a monthly fee > to leave everything as it is. So they're providing you with internet access as well? Do you have a budget and could you get another local ISP with a cable modem? I suspect most places don't want to support DSL anymore if they can help it. > I have had the same IPv4 address for almost exactly 20 years and a > lot things depend on that. There are three domain names that point > to that address. There is a name server, a mail server, and a web > server. As long as your DNS is updated, it doesn't matter what the IP address is behind it. Is looks like keithdiane.net is your IP of 66.92.74.188 and you actually have the reverse DNS setup properly as well, which is good! So the biggest problem you're going to find is getting outgoing email from your own domain using a residential ISP. For more money I'm sure you can get a business ISP with a dedicated IP, but it's going to be much more money. > I don't know how many of those things can be kept working with a new > ISP. I will spend a few days asking for advice, and then decide. What are the services you want/need/like to have? 1. home internet access 2. email to/from @keithdiane.us 3. web server for one or more domains So number 1 is just the basic, and you'd need that no matter what to acess the internet, if you decide to NOT host your services at home any more. If you keep your servers a home, without anyone able to access them, then you don't need number 1. *grin* And it would make it cheaper. Number 2 is easy, I'd be happy to add your domain to my @stoffel.org linode if you like, or help you setup your own IMAP/email server in the cloud. Use linode, but thinking of moving to vultr.com because charter.net blocks all email from all Linode IPs. Sigh... Service 3, is also a Cheap $5/mon web server is trivial on Linode, and again I could host it for you if you like on my Linode, which isn't doing much more than email. One option in Worcester *might* be these guys: https://cyberonic.com/broadband/dsl/ They're near WPI as well. If you have cable TV right now, it might be possible to add on internet, but at a cost. Your budget will influence things alot here. > I don't have much hope of keeping the IP address with a new ISP, but > I would like to keep my domain names and continue to send and > receive mail with addresses in those domains, and to be able to put > up web pages in those domains with a minimum of censorship and > advertising. I don't need the name server if there is another way of > doing this. For the DNS, you currently have two servers listed, but only one is working, the "dsl.keithdiane.net" at the same IP as listed above. It's also trivial to spin up DSN in the cloud, because you don't have a backup DNS server for your domain at all. > Currently, that is all done via a DSL line to my basement. It seems > that the new way is to "spin up" a virtual machine in the "cloud", > and run Linux and servers from there. I don't know much about that. It can add up, I think I pat around $7/mon for my linode to host my @stoffel.org stuff. It works. > I live in Worcester, about a mile from WPI. It might be time to look around for other worcester DSL ISPs and see what they offer. Good luck! John

April 11, 2023

Re: Next Meeting date will be April 20th 2023.

by John Stoffel

>>>>> "Tim" == Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > I'm moving the meeting to next week as I've got a family obligation > on Thursday. Thanks for understanding. Tim. Unfortunately, I'm booked for tue/thu for the next three months, so I won't be around in person. Unless I stop in on my way home and grab a beer/burger afterwards. John

April 11, 2023

Re: Shippy 1984

by hammerron

I guess I'm very old school. I downloaded Shippy 1984 the other day. I really like it. Ron On 4/7/23 09:42, Dennis Payne via WLUG wrote: > I was playing around with Shippy 1984. It is a Space Invaders/Galaxian > style game. It is available on Fedora. It's pretty ugly. I decided to > play around with a graphics update. Not all of the changes are in git > yet. Some refinement is still needed. > > https://youtu.be/ZAzFP90lgW0 >

April 11, 2023

I need advice on a new ISP

by Keith Wright

Well, the BIG problem that I have feared so long has arrived. GTT (my ISP) sent me a letter. The letter does not mention it, but GTT has filed for bankruptcy protection. The letter is full of things that I do not fully understand, but the bottom line is: "We no longer want to do business with you. You have a few months to get a new ISP, then we will unplug the wire." It seems there is not enough money to be made by charging a monthly fee to leave everything as it is. I have had the same IPv4 address for almost exactly 20 years and a lot things depend on that. There are three domain names that point to that address. There is a name server, a mail server, and a web server. I don't know how many of those things can be kept working with a new ISP. I will spend a few days asking for advice, and then decide. I don't have much hope of keeping the IP address with a new ISP, but I would like to keep my domain names and continue to send and receive mail with addresses in those domains, and to be able to put up web pages in those domains with a minimum of censorship and advertising. I don't need the name server if there is another way of doing this. Currently, that is all done via a DSL line to my basement. It seems that the new way is to "spin up" a virtual machine in the "cloud", and run Linux and servers from there. I don't know much about that. I live in Worcester, about a mile from WPI. More details can be read here: http://www.free-comp-shop.com/none/lossage.html at least for a few more months. -- Keith

April 11, 2023

Next Meeting date will be April 20th 2023.

by Tim Keller

I'm moving the meeting to next week as I've got a family obligation on Thursday. Thanks for understanding. Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

April 10, 2023

Re: Fight or Perish

by John Stoffel

>>>>> "Dennis" == Dennis Payne via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > Fight or Perish is a free software clone of Gauntlet. It never > really progressed past a prototype from the original creator. I've > been working to fix it up. I've written an Open Game Source article > about my work. Man, that brings back memories of playing Gauntlett with my friends after our explorer post meetings at Nathan's in NY. "Elf needs food... badly!" was and is a favorite line from that game. > https://identicalsoftware.com/games/fop I read some of your articles as well, first I've ever heard about the Roguelike Challenge, which was exciting because "Crawl" is one of my favorite games of all time, and my kids roll their eyes when they find me playing it in all it's ASCII glory. I play very 0.18 usually, I don't like the change they made to later versions to make the walls dark blue, which I find is really hard to see on screens. Blue is a hard color to do well I find. So I've been slowly playing around with hacking crawl to do new things, but mostly I just play. Badly. But I do want to fix the change where they got rid of the square cursor, and now they just bold tiles which is much more difficult to see. At least to my old old eyes. :-) Thanks for sharing Denis! I'll have to try some of these out at some point. John

April 8, 2023

Fight or Perish

by Dennis Payne

Fight or Perish is a free software clone of Gauntlet. It never really progressed past a prototype from the original creator. I've been working to fix it up. I've written an Open Game Source article about my work. https://identicalsoftware.com/games/fop -- Dennis Payne dulsi(a)identicalsoftware.com https://mastodon.gamedev.place/@dulsi

April 7, 2023

Shippy 1984

by Dennis Payne

I was playing around with Shippy 1984. It is a Space Invaders/Galaxian style game. It is available on Fedora. It's pretty ugly. I decided to play around with a graphics update. Not all of the changes are in git yet. Some refinement is still needed. https://youtu.be/ZAzFP90lgW0 -- Dennis Payne dulsi(a)identicalsoftware.com https://mastodon.gamedev.place/@dulsi

April 7, 2023

Re: X11 app on Windows

by John Stoffel

>>>>> "Zori" == Zori Babroudi via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > Last meeting I mentioned that I was using WSL + an X11 app to develop on windows. > Here is the X11 app I use. > https://www.microsoft.com/store/productId/9NLP712ZMN9Q > It lets me easily run gnome-terminal and other apps remotely. Thanks for the reminder, I'm looking at this and I'm tempted, but I might first try WSL to see if that will do what I need for now.

March 21, 2023

Re: X11 app on Windows

by Joe Sherman

This is the one I was using before I switched to MobaXTerm. http://www.straightrunning.com/XmingNotes/ It worked ok. I had to set an export to set the default display before it would work but otherwise it was ok, and free. I think it is probably more powerful than I realize but haven't had the time to dig in yet. Plus my WSL install is all mangled currently (another WIP for me). Right now MobaXTerm just works for me so going with it until I can swing back around and absorb this one more. On Mon, Mar 20, 2023, 8:12 PM Zori Babroudi via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > Last meeting I mentioned that I was using WSL + an X11 app to develop on > windows. > > Here is the X11 app I use. > > https://www.microsoft.com/store/productId/9NLP712ZMN9Q > > It lets me easily run gnome-terminal and other apps remotely. > > [image: image.png] > > <Z> > > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/UFVWA… >

March 21, 2023

Re: X11 app on Windows

by Chuck Anderson

On Mon, Mar 20, 2023 at 08:11:52PM -0400, Zori Babroudi via WLUG wrote: > Last meeting I mentioned that I was using WSL + an X11 app to develop on > windows. > > Here is the X11 app I use. > > https://www.microsoft.com/store/productId/9NLP712ZMN9Q Thanks. > It lets me easily run gnome-terminal and other apps remotely. I run graphical apps via X11 all the time but I don't know why you'd want to run a character terminal remotely when you have a perfectly good local character terminal that you can SSH from...

March 21, 2023

X11 app on Windows

by Zori Babroudi

Last meeting I mentioned that I was using WSL + an X11 app to develop on windows. Here is the X11 app I use. https://www.microsoft.com/store/productId/9NLP712ZMN9Q It lets me easily run gnome-terminal and other apps remotely. [image: image.png] <Z>

March 21, 2023

Re: Okay LÖVE is really cool.

by John Stoffel

>>>>> "Dennis" == Dennis Payne via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > Godot engine is very good. I have created new games with that one. I > did Pinball Disc Room and Learning Basic on Mars in it. It does do > 3D unlike Love but I haven't played with that yet. I don't recommend > writing a game engine if you want to make a game just use > Godot. Granted even though I recommend it, I have created my own > engine for a game even after playing with Godot. The sign of a true programmer! Making their own game engine, "because". Well done all around, this was a fun set of things to see on a monday morning. > On Mon, 2023-03-20 at 08:42 -0400, Tim Keller wrote: > My buddy pointed me at this as well: https://godotengine.org/ > Tim. > On Sun, Mar 19, 2023 at 10:52 PM Joshua Stone <joshua.gage.stone(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On a similar note, you might find these useful for learning how to package Love2D games: > https://github.com/MarvellousSoft/MarvInc/pull/268 > https://github.com/a327ex/BYTEPATH/pull/12 > - Josh > On Sun, Mar 19, 2023 at 8:51 PM Joshua Stone <joshua.gage.stone(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Yes, it pulls the pre-packaged files org.love2d.love2d as a base app which includes > the Love2D runtime and its dependencies: > https://github.com/flathub/org.love2d.love2d/blob/master/org.love2d.love2d.… > Good catch on the copyrighted sprites. I've updated the manifest. > On Sun, Mar 19, 2023 at 7:02 PM Dennis Payne <dulsi(a)identicalsoftware.com> wrote: > Does the runtime automatically include love? I don't see anything in the yml that > install love. I've been meaning to look into building flatpaks but haven't had the > chance. > The version you are building has the copyrighted sprites I've removed. I do not > recommend that. If you want to put it on flathub I would use my version. > On Sun, 2023-03-19 at 18:22 -0400, Joshua Stone via WLUG wrote: > I've created a flatpak manifest for this game: > https://gist.github.com/joshua-stone/a8fab26c64f4589baaef912cf34108e9 > Upstream should eventually include desktop icons (PNG or SVG) as well as > metainfo files, but this technically works for local builds. Testers welcome! > - Josh > On Sun, Mar 19, 2023 at 3:01 PM Dennis Payne via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> > wrote: > I have not written a new game using the game engine. I have modified > Marvellous Inc, Bytepath, Mari0 and Lady Bug which use the engine. If you > want make a 2D game, it is a reasonable choice. I could put together a > talk if you like. > On Sun, 2023-03-19 at 13:03 -0400, Tim Keller via WLUG wrote: > Per the post that Dennis made about his porting of Lady Bug using > the LÖVE framework, I started looking at it. > It's pretty damn cool and it looks like the barrier to entry to making > simple games, etc. is really really low. > I think it might be worth a talk. > Tim. > -- > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their > constituents as "consumers". > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/YVGW5… > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/CUR3I… > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/2BEQ7… > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/NO5LA…

March 20, 2023

Re: Okay LÖVE is really cool.

by Dennis Payne

Godot engine is very good. I have created new games with that one. I did Pinball Disc Room and Learning Basic on Mars in it. It does do 3D unlike Love but I haven't played with that yet. I don't recommend writing a game engine if you want to make a game just use Godot. Granted even though I recommend it, I have created my own engine for a game even after playing with Godot. On Mon, 2023-03-20 at 08:42 -0400, Tim Keller wrote: > My buddy pointed me at this as well: https://godotengine.org/ > > Tim. > > On Sun, Mar 19, 2023 at 10:52 PM Joshua Stone > <joshua.gage.stone(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > On a similar note, you might find these useful for learning how to > > package Love2D games: > > > > https://github.com/MarvellousSoft/MarvInc/pull/268 > > https://github.com/a327ex/BYTEPATH/pull/12 > > > > - Josh > > > > > > On Sun, Mar 19, 2023 at 8:51 PM Joshua Stone > > <joshua.gage.stone(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > Yes, it pulls the pre-packaged files org.love2d.love2d as a base > > > app which includes the Love2D runtime and its dependencies: > > > > > > https://github.com/flathub/org.love2d.love2d/blob/master/org.love2d.love2d.… > > > > > > Good catch on the copyrighted sprites. I've updated the manifest. > > > > > > On Sun, Mar 19, 2023 at 7:02 PM Dennis Payne > > > <dulsi(a)identicalsoftware.com> wrote: > > > > Does the runtime automatically include love? I don't see > > > > anything in the yml that install love. I've been meaning to > > > > look into building flatpaks but haven't had the chance. > > > > > > > > The version you are building has the copyrighted sprites I've > > > > removed. I do not recommend that. If you want to put it on > > > > flathub I would use my version. > > > > > > > > On Sun, 2023-03-19 at 18:22 -0400, Joshua Stone via WLUG wrote: > > > > > I've created a flatpak manifest for this game: > > > > > > > > > > https://gist.github.com/joshua-stone/a8fab26c64f4589baaef912cf34108e9 > > > > > > > > > > Upstream should eventually include desktop icons (PNG or SVG) > > > > > as well as metainfo files, but this technically works for > > > > > local builds. Testers welcome! > > > > > > > > > > - Josh > > > > > > > > > > On Sun, Mar 19, 2023 at 3:01 PM Dennis Payne via WLUG > > > > > <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > > > > > > I have not written a new game using the game engine. I have > > > > > > modified Marvellous Inc, Bytepath, Mari0 and Lady Bug which > > > > > > use the engine. If you want make a 2D game, it is a > > > > > > reasonable choice. I could put together a talk if you like. > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sun, 2023-03-19 at 13:03 -0400, Tim Keller via WLUG > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > Per the post that Dennis made about his porting of Lady > > > > > > > Bug using the LÖVE framework, I started looking at it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It's pretty damn cool and it looks like the barrier to > > > > > > > entry to making simple games, etc. is really really low. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think it might be worth a talk. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tim. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who > > > > > > > refers to their constituents as "consumers". > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > > > > > > > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > > > > > > > Create Account: > > > > > > > https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > > > > > > > Change Settings: > > > > > > > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > > > > > > > Web Forum/Archive: > > > > > > > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/YVGW5… > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > > > > > > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > > > > > > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > > > > > > Change Settings: > > > > > > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > > > > > > Web Forum/Archive: > > > > > > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/CUR3I… > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > > > > > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > > > > > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > > > > > Change Settings: > > > > > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > > > > > Web Forum/Archive: > > > > > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/2BEQ7… > > > > > > > >

March 20, 2023

Re: Okay LÖVE is really cool.

by Tim Keller

My buddy pointed me at this as well: https://godotengine.org/ Tim. On Sun, Mar 19, 2023 at 10:52 PM Joshua Stone <joshua.gage.stone(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On a similar note, you might find these useful for learning how to package > Love2D games: > > https://github.com/MarvellousSoft/MarvInc/pull/268 > https://github.com/a327ex/BYTEPATH/pull/12 > > - Josh > > > On Sun, Mar 19, 2023 at 8:51 PM Joshua Stone <joshua.gage.stone(a)gmail.com> > wrote: > >> Yes, it pulls the pre-packaged files org.love2d.love2d as a base app >> which includes the Love2D runtime and its dependencies: >> >> >> https://github.com/flathub/org.love2d.love2d/blob/master/org.love2d.love2d.… >> >> Good catch on the copyrighted sprites. I've updated the manifest. >> >> On Sun, Mar 19, 2023 at 7:02 PM Dennis Payne <dulsi(a)identicalsoftware.com> >> wrote: >> >>> Does the runtime automatically include love? I don't see anything in the >>> yml that install love. I've been meaning to look into building flatpaks but >>> haven't had the chance. >>> >>> The version you are building has the copyrighted sprites I've removed. I >>> do not recommend that. If you want to put it on flathub I would use my >>> version. >>> >>> On Sun, 2023-03-19 at 18:22 -0400, Joshua Stone via WLUG wrote: >>> >>> I've created a flatpak manifest for this game: >>> >>> https://gist.github.com/joshua-stone/a8fab26c64f4589baaef912cf34108e9 >>> >>> Upstream should eventually include desktop icons (PNG or SVG) as well as >>> metainfo files, but this technically works for local builds. Testers >>> welcome! >>> >>> - Josh >>> >>> On Sun, Mar 19, 2023 at 3:01 PM Dennis Payne via WLUG < >>> wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: >>> >>> I have not written a new game using the game engine. I have modified >>> Marvellous Inc, Bytepath, Mari0 and Lady Bug which use the engine. If you >>> want make a 2D game, it is a reasonable choice. I could put together a talk >>> if you like. >>> >>> On Sun, 2023-03-19 at 13:03 -0400, Tim Keller via WLUG wrote: >>> >>> Per the post that Dennis made about his porting of Lady Bug using >>> the LÖVE framework, I started looking at it. >>> >>> It's pretty damn cool and it looks like the barrier to entry to making >>> simple games, etc. is really really low. >>> >>> I think it might be worth a talk. >>> >>> Tim. >>> >>> -- >>> I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their >>> constituents as "consumers". >>> _______________________________________________ >>> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >>> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >>> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ >>> Change Settings: >>> https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ >>> Web Forum/Archive: >>> https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/YVGW5… >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >>> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >>> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ >>> Change Settings: >>> https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ >>> Web Forum/Archive: >>> https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/CUR3I… >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >>> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >>> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ >>> Change Settings: >>> https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ >>> Web Forum/Archive: >>> https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/2BEQ7… >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> Dennis Paynedulsi@identicalsoftware.comhttps://mastodon.gamedev.place/@dulsi >>> >>> -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

March 20, 2023

Re: Okay LÖVE is really cool.

by Joshua Stone

On a similar note, you might find these useful for learning how to package Love2D games: https://github.com/MarvellousSoft/MarvInc/pull/268 https://github.com/a327ex/BYTEPATH/pull/12 - Josh On Sun, Mar 19, 2023 at 8:51 PM Joshua Stone <joshua.gage.stone(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Yes, it pulls the pre-packaged files org.love2d.love2d as a base app which > includes the Love2D runtime and its dependencies: > > > https://github.com/flathub/org.love2d.love2d/blob/master/org.love2d.love2d.… > > Good catch on the copyrighted sprites. I've updated the manifest. > > On Sun, Mar 19, 2023 at 7:02 PM Dennis Payne <dulsi(a)identicalsoftware.com> > wrote: > >> Does the runtime automatically include love? I don't see anything in the >> yml that install love. I've been meaning to look into building flatpaks but >> haven't had the chance. >> >> The version you are building has the copyrighted sprites I've removed. I >> do not recommend that. If you want to put it on flathub I would use my >> version. >> >> On Sun, 2023-03-19 at 18:22 -0400, Joshua Stone via WLUG wrote: >> >> I've created a flatpak manifest for this game: >> >> https://gist.github.com/joshua-stone/a8fab26c64f4589baaef912cf34108e9 >> >> Upstream should eventually include desktop icons (PNG or SVG) as well as >> metainfo files, but this technically works for local builds. Testers >> welcome! >> >> - Josh >> >> On Sun, Mar 19, 2023 at 3:01 PM Dennis Payne via WLUG < >> wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: >> >> I have not written a new game using the game engine. I have modified >> Marvellous Inc, Bytepath, Mari0 and Lady Bug which use the engine. If you >> want make a 2D game, it is a reasonable choice. I could put together a talk >> if you like. >> >> On Sun, 2023-03-19 at 13:03 -0400, Tim Keller via WLUG wrote: >> >> Per the post that Dennis made about his porting of Lady Bug using >> the LÖVE framework, I started looking at it. >> >> It's pretty damn cool and it looks like the barrier to entry to making >> simple games, etc. is really really low. >> >> I think it might be worth a talk. >> >> Tim. >> >> -- >> I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their >> constituents as "consumers". >> _______________________________________________ >> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ >> Change Settings: >> https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ >> Web Forum/Archive: >> https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/YVGW5… >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ >> Change Settings: >> https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ >> Web Forum/Archive: >> https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/CUR3I… >> >> _______________________________________________ >> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ >> Change Settings: >> https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ >> Web Forum/Archive: >> https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/2BEQ7… >> >> >> -- >> >> Dennis Paynedulsi@identicalsoftware.comhttps://mastodon.gamedev.place/@dulsi >> >>

March 20, 2023

Re: Okay LÖVE is really cool.

by Joshua Stone

Yes, it pulls the pre-packaged files org.love2d.love2d as a base app which includes the Love2D runtime and its dependencies: https://github.com/flathub/org.love2d.love2d/blob/master/org.love2d.love2d.… Good catch on the copyrighted sprites. I've updated the manifest. On Sun, Mar 19, 2023 at 7:02 PM Dennis Payne <dulsi(a)identicalsoftware.com> wrote: > Does the runtime automatically include love? I don't see anything in the > yml that install love. I've been meaning to look into building flatpaks but > haven't had the chance. > > The version you are building has the copyrighted sprites I've removed. I > do not recommend that. If you want to put it on flathub I would use my > version. > > On Sun, 2023-03-19 at 18:22 -0400, Joshua Stone via WLUG wrote: > > I've created a flatpak manifest for this game: > > https://gist.github.com/joshua-stone/a8fab26c64f4589baaef912cf34108e9 > > Upstream should eventually include desktop icons (PNG or SVG) as well as > metainfo files, but this technically works for local builds. Testers > welcome! > > - Josh > > On Sun, Mar 19, 2023 at 3:01 PM Dennis Payne via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> > wrote: > > I have not written a new game using the game engine. I have modified > Marvellous Inc, Bytepath, Mari0 and Lady Bug which use the engine. If you > want make a 2D game, it is a reasonable choice. I could put together a talk > if you like. > > On Sun, 2023-03-19 at 13:03 -0400, Tim Keller via WLUG wrote: > > Per the post that Dennis made about his porting of Lady Bug using the LÖVE > framework, I started looking at it. > > It's pretty damn cool and it looks like the barrier to entry to making > simple games, etc. is really really low. > > I think it might be worth a talk. > > Tim. > > -- > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their > constituents as "consumers". > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/YVGW5… > > > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/CUR3I… > > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/2BEQ7… > > > -- > > Dennis Paynedulsi@identicalsoftware.comhttps://mastodon.gamedev.place/@dulsi > >

March 20, 2023

Re: Okay LÖVE is really cool.

by Dennis Payne

Does the runtime automatically include love? I don't see anything in the yml that install love. I've been meaning to look into building flatpaks but haven't had the chance. The version you are building has the copyrighted sprites I've removed. I do not recommend that. If you want to put it on flathub I would use my version. On Sun, 2023-03-19 at 18:22 -0400, Joshua Stone via WLUG wrote: > I've created a flatpak manifest for this game: > > https://gist.github.com/joshua-stone/a8fab26c64f4589baaef912cf34108e9 > > Upstream should eventually include desktop icons (PNG or SVG) as well > as metainfo files, but this technically works for local builds. > Testers welcome! > > - Josh > > On Sun, Mar 19, 2023 at 3:01 PM Dennis Payne via WLUG > <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > > I have not written a new game using the game engine. I have > > modified Marvellous Inc, Bytepath, Mari0 and Lady Bug which use the > > engine. If you want make a 2D game, it is a reasonable choice. I > > could put together a talk if you like. > > > > On Sun, 2023-03-19 at 13:03 -0400, Tim Keller via WLUG wrote: > > > Per the post that Dennis made about his porting of Lady Bug using > > > the LÖVE framework, I started looking at it. > > > > > > It's pretty damn cool and it looks like the barrier to entry to > > > making simple games, etc. is really really low. > > > > > > I think it might be worth a talk. > > > > > > Tim. > > > > > > -- > > > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to > > > their constituents as "consumers". > > > _______________________________________________ > > > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > > > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > > > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > > > Change Settings: > > > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > > > Web Forum/Archive: > > > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/YVGW5… > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > > Change Settings: > > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > > Web Forum/Archive: > > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/CUR3I… > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/2BEQ7… -- Dennis Payne dulsi(a)identicalsoftware.com https://mastodon.gamedev.place/@dulsi

March 19, 2023

Re: Okay LÖVE is really cool.

by Joshua Stone

I've created a flatpak manifest for this game: https://gist.github.com/joshua-stone/a8fab26c64f4589baaef912cf34108e9 Upstream should eventually include desktop icons (PNG or SVG) as well as metainfo files, but this technically works for local builds. Testers welcome! - Josh On Sun, Mar 19, 2023 at 3:01 PM Dennis Payne via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > I have not written a new game using the game engine. I have modified > Marvellous Inc, Bytepath, Mari0 and Lady Bug which use the engine. If you > want make a 2D game, it is a reasonable choice. I could put together a talk > if you like. > > On Sun, 2023-03-19 at 13:03 -0400, Tim Keller via WLUG wrote: > > Per the post that Dennis made about his porting of Lady Bug using the LÖVE > framework, I started looking at it. > > It's pretty damn cool and it looks like the barrier to entry to making > simple games, etc. is really really low. > > I think it might be worth a talk. > > Tim. > > -- > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their > constituents as "consumers". > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/YVGW5… > > > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/CUR3I… >

March 19, 2023

Re: Okay LÖVE is really cool.

by Dennis Payne

I have not written a new game using the game engine. I have modified Marvellous Inc, Bytepath, Mari0 and Lady Bug which use the engine. If you want make a 2D game, it is a reasonable choice. I could put together a talk if you like. On Sun, 2023-03-19 at 13:03 -0400, Tim Keller via WLUG wrote: > Per the post that Dennis made about his porting of Lady Bug using > the LÖVE framework, I started looking at it. > > It's pretty damn cool and it looks like the barrier to entry to > making simple games, etc. is really really low. > > I think it might be worth a talk. > > Tim. > > -- > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their > constituents as "consumers". > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/YVGW5…

March 19, 2023

Re: Okay LÖVE is really cool.

by Joshua Stone

Would this be something we could submit to flathub? https://github.com/flathub/flathub/blob/master/CONTRIBUTING.md#submitting-a… I could help with packaging this if you want! - Josh On Sun, Mar 19, 2023, 1:04 PM Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > Per the post that Dennis made about his porting of Lady Bug using the LÖVE > framework, I started looking at it. > > It's pretty damn cool and it looks like the barrier to entry to making > simple games, etc. is really really low. > > I think it might be worth a talk. > > Tim. > > -- > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their > constituents as "consumers". > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/YVGW5… >

March 19, 2023

Okay LÖVE is really cool.

by Tim Keller

Per the post that Dennis made about his porting of Lady Bug using the LÖVE framework, I started looking at it. It's pretty damn cool and it looks like the barrier to entry to making simple games, etc. is really really low. I think it might be worth a talk. Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

March 19, 2023

Re: Lady Beetle

by Tim Keller

My wife had a Coleco vision and Lady bug was one of the games they had for that system. My MIL once commented that she knew this was why she shouldn't play video games, apparently she sent the kids off to school, decided to play some lady bug and then the kids were coming in the door, she'd played it for hours. Very very cool. Tim. On Sat, Mar 18, 2023 at 10:35 PM Dennis Payne via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > I discovered a Love2D remake of Lady Bug. I've never played the arcade > game but it looked interesting. It is a maze chase game like Pac-Man but > you have these turntiles through out the maze that you can move to alter > the maze. > > The remake was well done but used sprites taken from the arcade game. I > replaced all the graphics with new creations. I also modified the game to > support two player simultaneous. I wrote up an Open Game Source article > about the changes. > > http://identicalsoftware.com/games/ladybeetle > > > -- > > Dennis Paynedulsi@identicalsoftware.comhttps://mastodon.gamedev.place/@dulsi > > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/ZMVA6… > -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

March 19, 2023

Lady Beetle

by Dennis Payne

I discovered a Love2D remake of Lady Bug. I've never played the arcade game but it looked interesting. It is a maze chase game like Pac-Man but you have these turntiles through out the maze that you can move to alter the maze. The remake was well done but used sprites taken from the arcade game. I replaced all the graphics with new creations. I also modified the game to support two player simultaneous. I wrote up an Open Game Source article about the changes. http://identicalsoftware.com/games/ladybeetle -- Dennis Payne dulsi(a)identicalsoftware.com https://mastodon.gamedev.place/@dulsi

March 19, 2023

Re: Reminder, meeting tonight!

by Frank Sweetser

You can find links to the campus maps here: https://www.wpi.edu/coming-to-campus You're looking for the campus center, on the bottom floor. On Thu, Mar 16, 2023, 7:18 PM Joe Sherman via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > Having a hard time finding the place. I am on campus but can't find the > building. Can anyone help me? > > On Thu, Mar 16, 2023, 4:34 PM John Stoffel <john(a)stoffel.org> wrote: > >> >> > New member, going to try and make my first appearance >> > tonight. Anything specific I should know or do? >> >> Welcome! We're a friendly bunch, so just come prepared to ask >> questions, butt in with opinions and have fun. >> >> I'll be bringing my OrangePi3 LTS board tonight, maybe a keyboard and >> mouse so we can see how well it works on the big screen. Assuming I >> have the right side connectors. >> >> Oh and Joe, if you're bringing equipment, make sure you bring all the >> video adapters you think you;ll need, and then some more. It's always >> a pain! >> >> Cheers, >> John >> > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/6VRAF… >

March 16, 2023

Re: Reminder, meeting tonight!

by Joe Sherman

Having a hard time finding the place. I am on campus but can't find the building. Can anyone help me? On Thu, Mar 16, 2023, 4:34 PM John Stoffel <john(a)stoffel.org> wrote: > > > New member, going to try and make my first appearance > > tonight. Anything specific I should know or do? > > Welcome! We're a friendly bunch, so just come prepared to ask > questions, butt in with opinions and have fun. > > I'll be bringing my OrangePi3 LTS board tonight, maybe a keyboard and > mouse so we can see how well it works on the big screen. Assuming I > have the right side connectors. > > Oh and Joe, if you're bringing equipment, make sure you bring all the > video adapters you think you;ll need, and then some more. It's always > a pain! > > Cheers, > John >

March 16, 2023