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Re: [Wlug] test

by Bill Smith

On Fri, 23 Apr 2004 17:27:06 -0400 gma2004(a)verizon.net wrote: > test What were you testing? -- William Smith wsmith(a)chezsmith.com Fall River, MA

April 26, 2004

Re: [Wlug] PGP Keysigning

by gma2004＠verizon.net

Theo, Thanks. No, I didn't import revoke.asc, and your suggestion worked. Next step is to figure out encryption. Greg Theo Van Dinter wrote: > On Fri, Apr 23, 2004 at 05:39:38PM -0400, gma2004(a)verizon.net wrote: > >>I did gpg --fingerprint >> >>When I do gpg --list-sigs, my new key is listed as revoked. Did I screw >>up on following the first set of directions? > > > It depends. Did you do something like "gpg --import revoke.asc" ? > If so, you revoked your public key. The last version of your key that I > saw on the keyserver isn't revoked, so ... You could, in theory, go in, > delete your public key from your keyring, then do a recv-key to download > the non-revoked one. > > > more info on revoking in: http://www.hackdiary.com/archives/000042.html, > http://www.gnupg.org/(en)/documentation/faqs.html#q4.17 >

April 24, 2004

Re: [Wlug] PGP Keysigning

by gma2004＠verizon.net

OK, I guess that older key is really mine. I was able to change the password, but I'm still not sure about how to handle this. If I do use this older key, how do I change the email address on it? Is adduser the correct command for this? Would it make more sense to revoke that one and make a new one? Greg gma2004(a)verizon.net wrote: > I got as far as 'Really sign?' and then it didn't like my passphrase. > > I did gpg --fingerprint > > It seems that I already have a key that I allegedly made in December 2003. I don't remember doing this, and I don't understand how I could have done it without going through the procedure that we all just used this week. > > When I do gpg --list-sigs, my new key is listed as revoked. Did I screw up on following the first set of directions? > > I tried putting the new key ID in the default key line of my options file, and when I try to sign someone's key, I get the message > gpg: no default secret key: unusable secret key > > Any suggestions on what to do? > > Thanks > > Greg Avedissian

April 23, 2004

Re: [Wlug] PGP Keysigning

by Theo Van Dinter

On Fri, Apr 23, 2004 at 05:39:38PM -0400, gma2004(a)verizon.net wrote: > I did gpg --fingerprint > > When I do gpg --list-sigs, my new key is listed as revoked. Did I screw > up on following the first set of directions? It depends. Did you do something like "gpg --import revoke.asc" ? If so, you revoked your public key. The last version of your key that I saw on the keyserver isn't revoked, so ... You could, in theory, go in, delete your public key from your keyring, then do a recv-key to download the non-revoked one. more info on revoking in: http://www.hackdiary.com/archives/000042.html, http://www.gnupg.org/(en)/documentation/faqs.html#q4.17 -- Randomly Generated Tagline: "At least it had heated rear windows--so your hands would stay warm while you pushed." - Unknown about the Yugo

April 23, 2004

Re: [Wlug] PGP Keysigning

by gma2004＠verizon.net

I got as far as 'Really sign?' and then it didn't like my passphrase. I did gpg --fingerprint It seems that I already have a key that I allegedly made in December 2003. I don't remember doing this, and I don't understand how I could have done it without going through the procedure that we all just used this week. When I do gpg --list-sigs, my new key is listed as revoked. Did I screw up on following the first set of directions? I tried putting the new key ID in the default key line of my options file, and when I try to sign someone's key, I get the message gpg: no default secret key: unusable secret key Any suggestions on what to do? Thanks Greg Avedissian Charles R. Anderson wrote: > To complete the PGP Keysigning process: > > 1. Sign All The Verified IDs On The Verified Keys > > gpg --keyserver pgp.mit.edu --recv-keys <Key_ID> > gpg --sign-key <Key_ID> > > [ Verify the fingerprint against your sheet. You probably want to select > (3) I have done very careful checking in this case, since we > met in person and verified physical photo ID's. ] > > 2. Send The Signed Keys Back Up To The Designated Keyserver > > gpg --keyserver pgp.mit.edu --send-key <Key_ID> > > Finally, once everyone has signed everyone else's keys and sent them > to the keyserver, you will want to download the signed versions once > more from the keyserver. You can do this at any time without fear of > overwritting keys--GnuPG will always merge the changes into your local > keyring (--recv-keys) or the remote keyserver (--send-keys) as > necessary. > > 3. Download the Signed Keys from The Designated Keyserver > > gpg --keyserver pgp.mit.edu --recv-key <Key_ID> > > It is a good idea to periodically re-download keys to receive new > signatures, learn of revoked keys, etc. You can tell a signature was > added by the output of --recv-keys. You can list key signatures with: > > gpg --list-sigs [<Key_ID>] > > where <Key_ID> is optional. > > You may notice some keys signed by unknown user ids. If you receive > those keys from the keyserver(s) you can build your Web Of Trust to > include people you don't know. This gets into how much you trust > people with whom you have verified keys directly to sign *other* > people's keys properly/securely. More on this later.... > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > >

April 23, 2004

test

by gma2004＠verizon.net

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April 23, 2004

Re: [Wlug] PGP Keysigning

by gma2004＠verizon.net

I got as far as Really sign? And then it asked for my passphrase, but I'm not sure it really knows who I am. It has my rcn address, which is not the one I used to create the key. WTF??? What do I do if my passphrase fails? Why is my middle initial missing? Why is my key ID different from what it was when I created it, and how did I create it in 2003? when I do gpg --fingerprint, I get the key I didn't know about, the one I made this week, and one from somebody I don't know and who doesn't appear in my address book (Vincent Danen). When I do gpg --list-sigs, my new key is listed as revoked. Did I screw up on following the first set of directions? Greg Charles R. Anderson wrote: > To complete the PGP Keysigning process: > > 1. Sign All The Verified IDs On The Verified Keys > > gpg --keyserver pgp.mit.edu --recv-keys <Key_ID> > gpg --sign-key <Key_ID> > > [ Verify the fingerprint against your sheet. You probably want to select > (3) I have done very careful checking in this case, since we > met in person and verified physical photo ID's. ] > > 2. Send The Signed Keys Back Up To The Designated Keyserver > > gpg --keyserver pgp.mit.edu --send-key <Key_ID> > > Finally, once everyone has signed everyone else's keys and sent them > to the keyserver, you will want to download the signed versions once > more from the keyserver. You can do this at any time without fear of > overwritting keys--GnuPG will always merge the changes into your local > keyring (--recv-keys) or the remote keyserver (--send-keys) as > necessary. > > 3. Download the Signed Keys from The Designated Keyserver > > gpg --keyserver pgp.mit.edu --recv-key <Key_ID> > > It is a good idea to periodically re-download keys to receive new > signatures, learn of revoked keys, etc. You can tell a signature was > added by the output of --recv-keys. You can list key signatures with: > > gpg --list-sigs [<Key_ID>] > > where <Key_ID> is optional. > > You may notice some keys signed by unknown user ids. If you receive > those keys from the keyserver(s) you can build your Web Of Trust to > include people you don't know. This gets into how much you trust > people with whom you have verified keys directly to sign *other* > people's keys properly/securely. More on this later.... > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > >

April 23, 2004

PGP Keysigning

by Charles R. Anderson

To complete the PGP Keysigning process: 1. Sign All The Verified IDs On The Verified Keys gpg --keyserver pgp.mit.edu --recv-keys <Key_ID> gpg --sign-key <Key_ID> [ Verify the fingerprint against your sheet. You probably want to select (3) I have done very careful checking in this case, since we met in person and verified physical photo ID's. ] 2. Send The Signed Keys Back Up To The Designated Keyserver gpg --keyserver pgp.mit.edu --send-key <Key_ID> Finally, once everyone has signed everyone else's keys and sent them to the keyserver, you will want to download the signed versions once more from the keyserver. You can do this at any time without fear of overwritting keys--GnuPG will always merge the changes into your local keyring (--recv-keys) or the remote keyserver (--send-keys) as necessary. 3. Download the Signed Keys from The Designated Keyserver gpg --keyserver pgp.mit.edu --recv-key <Key_ID> It is a good idea to periodically re-download keys to receive new signatures, learn of revoked keys, etc. You can tell a signature was added by the output of --recv-keys. You can list key signatures with: gpg --list-sigs [<Key_ID>] where <Key_ID> is optional. You may notice some keys signed by unknown user ids. If you receive those keys from the keyserver(s) you can build your Web Of Trust to include people you don't know. This gets into how much you trust people with whom you have verified keys directly to sign *other* people's keys properly/securely. More on this later....

April 23, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Free systems to good home...

by Walt Sawyer

I'll take the mini towers if they haven't gone to some yet. Bring them to the May meeting. Thanks, Walt On Wed, 2004-04-21 at 18:58, Theo Van Dinter wrote: > I thought I'd throw this out and see if anyone was interested... > > I've got 3 machines just sitting around collecting dust that I'd like to > give away. They're pretty much base-bones (case, ps, mb, cpu) although > I may have some memory for the P120 and the P200 (have to check when I > get home): > > P120, Mini-Tower > P166, Full Tower > P200 Overdrive, Mini-Tower > > > If you're interested in grabbing one of these, let me know and I'll > bring it along to the meeting tomorrow night. :) [image] [image] [image] Walt Sawyer wsawyer(a)norfolk-county.com

April 23, 2004

Summer Intern Job

by Karl Hiramoto

For anyone that is interested in a programming job.. http://jobs.accusense.com/programmer-analyist-intern.html -- -- Karl Hiramoto karl at hiramoto dot org http://karl.hiramoto.org/ Mobile: 508.517.4819 Work: 978-425-2090

April 22, 2004

Free systems to good home...

by Theo Van Dinter

I thought I'd throw this out and see if anyone was interested... I've got 3 machines just sitting around collecting dust that I'd like to give away. They're pretty much base-bones (case, ps, mb, cpu) although I may have some memory for the P120 and the P200 (have to check when I get home): P120, Mini-Tower P166, Full Tower P200 Overdrive, Mini-Tower If you're interested in grabbing one of these, let me know and I'll bring it along to the meeting tomorrow night. :) -- Randomly Generated Tagline: "To his dog, every man is Napoleon, hence the constant popularity of dogs." - Susan Vick

April 21, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Reminder: WLUG Meeting

by Charles R. Anderson

On Mon, Apr 19, 2004 at 10:01:46PM -0400, Andy Stewart wrote: > This is a reminder about the upcoming WLUG meeting, to be held on Thursday, > April 22, at 7:00 PM at the usual place (the Access Grid room at WPI). > > At this meeting, we'll be having a PGP keysigning party, as described by Chuck > Anderson in an email earlier this week. I hope a few people will be there to > share how they make this work from their favorite email program. I haven't > been entirely successful with Kmail, but I'll share just the same. I've only received a few PGP keys, but there's still time left to get your key created and submitted for Thursday's keysigning party! Thursday night you'll need: 3.2 What participants should bring to the party 1. Themselves - you cannot participate virtually 2. Two forms of positive picture ID - a driver's license and passport are good 3. Key ID, Key Type, Hex Fingerprint and Key Size info (NOTE: please print out your own copy of your key to compare against my copy when you arrive.) 4. A Pen/Pencil 3.3 What Participants Should Not Bring to the Party 1. A Computer

April 21, 2004

Reminder: WLUG Meeting

by Andy Stewart

HI everybody, This is a reminder about the upcoming WLUG meeting, to be held on Thursday, April 22, at 7:00 PM at the usual place (the Access Grid room at WPI). At this meeting, we'll be having a PGP keysigning party, as described by Chuck Anderson in an email earlier this week. I hope a few people will be there to share how they make this work from their favorite email program. I haven't been entirely successful with Kmail, but I'll share just the same. Even if you don't have a PGP key, come over anyway to learn about this technology and to chat with others. I'd also be happy to relate to you the results of the "Introduction to Linux" class which I've recently finished teaching for the Chelmsford Community Education program. I'll be teaching this class again in September, and we're currently planning a much more advanced class. Also, bring along your ideas for future meetings! Afterwards, we'll venture out for pizza and beer at the newly renovated Boynton Restaurant - you won't recognize the place! See ya later, Andy -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA USA http://www.wlug.org

April 20, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Linux From Scratch??

by Keith Wright

> From: Ken Jones <kjones(a)ziplink.net> > > Have any us tried to build a Linux From Scratch? I bought the book. I was disappointed in it. Its general form was: download all this stuff, type this, type this, now type this. There was not much discussion of why. > How did it go? A few minutes of excitement that I had a new book. A couple hours of paging through the book with growing disappointment at how little could be learned by reading it. Probably you could learn more by actually doing it, and more importantly, by reading the documentation and code of the various packages as you build them. I began to think that I should go through the process in order to write a couple of chapters that would explain the overall plan, but maybe somebody else is already doing that. In any case it's not my high priority project. So the book sits quietly on my shelf. > Does anyone know of a college level course which uses this as part > of its lab.? No, I don't. I don't think such a lab would be worth much unless the professor had something specific to demonstrate by assigning a problem to make some changes, e.g. run on special hardware, boot into a special purpose program. Even then, there would probably be a better way to make the point than to build everything from scratch. There's not a lot to be learned by spending days watching compiler output scroll past. -- Keith

April 19, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Linux From Scratch??

by gboyce＠badbelly.com

On Mon, 19 Apr 2004, Karl Hiramoto wrote: > just for kicks, try putting a "hello world" program in /sbin/init > sometime. make sure you have a backup & boot disk/CD though. Most bootloaders allow you to append to the kernel commandline (at least grub and lilo both do). You could run your test by doing "init=/sbin/myinit", or safe a backup copy of /sbin/init as /sbin/init.real, and booting with "init=/sbin/init.real" to recover. Of course, backups and boot disks are always a good idea.

April 19, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Linux From Scratch??

by Karl Hiramoto

Yes, I did it as some research into an embedded linux system. I setup the kernel and used busybox for base system. I also messed around with making my own /sbin/init for the embedded system that was only to have one process running. just for kicks, try putting a "hello world" program in /sbin/init sometime. make sure you have a backup & boot disk/CD though. > Have any us tried to build a Linux From Scratch? > > <http://lfs.oregonstate.edu/lfs/news.html> > > How did it go? Is there a thread on the subject? Does anyone know of a > college level course which uses this as part of its lab.? > > Ken Jones > Fitchburg, MA > > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > -- Karl Hiramoto <karl(a)hiramoto.org> Work: 978-425-2090 ext 25 Cell: 508-517-4819 Personal web page: http://karl.hiramoto.org/ AOL IM ID = KarlH420 Yahoo_IM = karl_hiramoto

April 19, 2004

RE: [Wlug] Linux From Scratch??

by Skip Gaede

Ken, I used the modules and instructions on the web site back in the 2.x - 3.x days. In the process of building all the modules, you learn a lot. I even built a Linux distro that ran on a PPC Macintosh. There's also a couple of additional projects: ALFS (automated LFS) and BLFS (Beyond LFS) that cover modules you might need after getting the base system working. Good luck, Skip -----Original Message----- From: wlug-bounces(a)mail.wlug.org [mailto:wlug-bounces@mail.wlug.org]On Behalf Of Ken Jones Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2004 9:38 AM To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org Cc: kjones(a)ziplink.net Subject: [Wlug] Linux From Scratch?? Have any us tried to build a Linux From Scratch? <http://lfs.oregonstate.edu/lfs/news.html> How did it go? Is there a thread on the subject? Does anyone know of a college level course which uses this as part of its lab.? Ken Jones Fitchburg, MA _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

April 19, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Signed e-mails and Kmail

by Charles R. Anderson

On Sat, Apr 17, 2004 at 11:26:56PM -0400, Andy Stewart wrote: > >From the KGpgCertManager, I get an error indicating that the symbol > "initialize" was not found in libkdenetwork.so.2. Missing symbols usually indicate that the program wasn't compiled against the correct versions of your system libraries, or was compiled with different features enabled, etc. Perhaps your KMail can't use that libgpgme.so? Is there any other .so on your system that may work in place of that one? If both components (KDE Network and libgpgme.so) are stock from the distribution version SuSE 9.0, I would file a bug report with SuSE about it. If either component isn't stock, or is from a different version of SuSE than the other, then they will probably tell you it is unsupported. If you want to try to fix this yourself, you can try recompiling either component. It is probably easiest to try libgpgme.so first. rpm -qif <path-to-libgpgme.so> Download the Source RPM: shown in the output of that command and type: rpmbuild --rebuild foo.src.rpm During compilation, any errors about missing symbols should show up, or there may be "configure" output that says something about enabling/disabling certain features due to missing support in other parts of your system. Note that you may need to install several other development packages in order to compile that package, such as kdenetwork-devel or whatever SuSE's equivalent is.

April 18, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Signed e-mails and Kmail

by Andy Stewart

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Saturday 17 April 2004 11:56 pm, Mike Frysinger wrote: > On Saturday 17 April 2004 11:26 pm, Andy Stewart wrote: > > I'm playing around with digital signatures in e-mail, and I have that > > working on Kmail (KDE) wnen I send the e-mail. However, when I receive a > > signed e-mail, Kmail isn't able to automatically check the validity of > > the signature (unless I sent it). > > use gpg-agent and add this to your ~/.gnupg/gpg.conf file: > keyserver x-hkp://pgp.mit.edu > keyserver-options auto-key-retrieve > > then kmail should be able to auto verify keys > -mike Hi Mike, I am using gpg-agent. I added the lines recommended by you, but I still get the same error about symbol "initialize" in kdenetwork3.so. I did restart the gpg-agent daemon. Here's my gpg.conf file in case I've made some silly mistake (attached). Thanks, Andy - -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA USA http://www.wlug.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFAghL6Hl0iXDssISsRAq/gAJsGvCGCfvHupumqfqVmlWLwvPvu4gCdH+pR QL87RjPyNi3Mz4zJvt34yCw= =vIEn -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

April 18, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Signed e-mails and Kmail

by Mike Frysinger

On Saturday 17 April 2004 11:26 pm, Andy Stewart wrote: > I'm playing around with digital signatures in e-mail, and I have that > working on Kmail (KDE) wnen I send the e-mail. However, when I receive a > signed e-mail, Kmail isn't able to automatically check the validity of the > signature (unless I sent it). use gpg-agent and add this to your ~/.gnupg/gpg.conf file: keyserver x-hkp://pgp.mit.edu keyserver-options auto-key-retrieve then kmail should be able to auto verify keys -mike

April 18, 2004

Signed e-mails and Kmail

by Andy Stewart

Hi all, I'm playing around with digital signatures in e-mail, and I have that working on Kmail (KDE) wnen I send the e-mail. However, when I receive a signed e-mail, Kmail isn't able to automatically check the validity of the signature (unless I sent it). Within Kmail, I click on Settings->Configure Kmail->Security and point to libgpgme.so in the Crypto Plugins tab. I select that plugin and activate it. I then click the "configure" button and try to start the certificate manager. >From the KGpgCertManager, I get an error indicating that the symbol "initialize" was not found in libkdenetwork.so.2. I'm running SuSE 9.0 Pro, Kmail 1.5.4, and KDE 3.1.4. I've scoured the net to no avail. Does anybody have this working in Kmail? Thanks, Andy -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA USA http://www.wlug.org

April 18, 2004

Linux From Scratch??

by Ken Jones

Have any us tried to build a Linux From Scratch? <http://lfs.oregonstate.edu/lfs/news.html> How did it go? Is there a thread on the subject? Does anyone know of a college level course which uses this as part of its lab.? Ken Jones Fitchburg, MA

April 17, 2004

Next meeting - PGP Keysigning?

by Charles R. Anderson

Ok, I'm not sure if this will fill the meeting's entire timeslot, so feel free to come up with another discussion topic. If you want to participate in the PGP Keysigning Party, here's what you need to do. This is based on GPG Keysigning Party HOWTO (http://www.cryptnet.net/fdp/crypto/gpg-party.html) which I highly recommend you read if this is the first time you are using GPG. You'll need to do these ahead of time *before* you arrive at the meeting, preferrably on a secure, local terminal (i.e. not in a computer lab or the public library or remotely from another system, or on a system running an insecure OS). 1. Generate A Key Pair gpg --gen-key (Default values are good. I would use 2048-bit key.) 1.5 Generate a revocation certificate gpg --output revoke.asc --gen-revoke <keyid> (save this revocation certificate offline in multiple places, print it out, put it in your safe, etc.) 2. Send Public Key To Designated (pgp.mit.edu) Keyserver gpg --send-key --keyserver=pgp.mit.edu <keyid> 3. Send Public Key Info To Coordinator Please email me (cra(a)wpi.edu) the output of: gpg --fingerprint <keyid> 4. Print a paper copy of your Public Key info from Step #3 I'll collate the keys and prepare copies of the public keys for all participants to use as a check list. Example output from Step #3: pub 1024D/49BB5886 2001-04-11 Charles R. Anderson <cra(a)wpi.edu> Key fingerprint = EBA3 A106 7C93 FA07 8E15 3AC2 C367 A0F9 49BB 5886 sub 2048g/B0817A13 2001-04-11 In this case, my <keyid> is 49BB5886, which is the same as the last 8 hex digits of the fingerprint. You can use your email address as <keyid> in the command if you forget your actual key id. So my full key information is: Key ID: 49BB5886 Key Type: DSA Hex Fingerprint: EBA3 A106 7C93 FA07 8E15 3AC2 C367 A0F9 49BB 5886 Key Size: 1024 bits (The DSA key is always 1024 bits. The ElGamal Encryption key is 2048 bits in my case, but isn't needed for the keysigning party.) 3.2 What participants should bring to the party 1. Themselves - you cannot participate virtually 2. Two forms of positive picture ID - a driver's license and passport are good 3. Key ID, Key Type, Hex Fingerprint and Key Size info (NOTE: please print out your own copy of your key to compare against my copy when you arrive.) 4. A Pen/Pencil 3.3 What Participants Should Not Bring to the Party 1. A Computer

April 17, 2004

Re: [Wlug] How Barbaric!

by Chris Aniszczyk

> 2.6.4! 2.6.5 came out, like almost a whole 9 days ago! Let's see these > priorities right already and upgrade this archaic, elder kernel already! I don't know about you, but I like living on the bleeding edge ;) Cheers, -- Chris Aniszczyk Gentoo Developer - http://www.gentoo.org - http://cia.navi.cx/stats/author/zx http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x274A275F

April 14, 2004

How Barbaric!

by sageman＠WPI.EDU

--- "Hello, I'm running gentoo with 2.6.4 kernel" 2.6.4! 2.6.5 came out, like almost a whole 9 days ago! Let's see these priorities right already and upgrade this archaic, elder kernel already! Yeah, that's definitely sleep-inside-spinlock checks though. Just run your favorite kernel configurator (make config, or make xconfig or something), and under "Kernel Hacking" uncheck the "sleep-inside-spinlock checking" box. Hope it helps ^_^ http://sageman.res.wpi.net

April 14, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Nvidia and 2.6.4

by Mike Frysinger

On Tuesday 13 April 2004 12:19 am, orbitz(a)ezabel.com wrote: > # CONFIG_DEBUG_KERNEL is not set > CONFIG_EARLY_PRINTK=y > CONFIG_DEBUG_SPINLOCK_SLEEP=y > # CONFIG_FRAME_POINTER is not set > > Change the SPINLOCK_SLEEP to n? yes, that should make those tracebacks 'disappear' -mike

April 13, 2004

RE: [Wlug] Next meeting - topic?

by Martin, Eric

I'm game -----Original Message----- From: Charles R. Anderson [mailto:cra@WPI.EDU] Sent: Monday, April 12, 2004 5:54 PM To: Worcester Linux Users Group Subject: Re: [Wlug] Next meeting - topic? Who wants to do a PGP Keysigning? It would involve advance preparation from everyone who would like to participate. By now I'd imagine most of you have gotten your feet wet with GnuPG :-) If not, see: http://www.wlug.org/files/pgp-slides/index.html If there is interest, please let me know in the next couple days so I can organize the procedure and send out instructions. _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

April 13, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Nvidia and 2.6.4

by orbitz＠ezabel.com

# CONFIG_DEBUG_KERNEL is not set CONFIG_EARLY_PRINTK=y CONFIG_DEBUG_SPINLOCK_SLEEP=y # CONFIG_FRAME_POINTER is not set Change the SPINLOCK_SLEEP to n? Thanks, Malcolm On Mon, 12 Apr 2004 23:59:51 -0400 Mike Frysinger <vapier(a)gentoo.org> wrote: > On Monday 12 April 2004 11:38 pm, orbitz(a)ezabel.com wrote: > > Hello, I'm running gentoo with 2.6.4 kernel and my /var/log/messages is > > getting filled up with this junk: > > known problem ... turn off sleep checks inside of kernel debug > -mike > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

April 13, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Nvidia and 2.6.4

by Mike Frysinger

On Monday 12 April 2004 11:38 pm, orbitz(a)ezabel.com wrote: > Hello, I'm running gentoo with 2.6.4 kernel and my /var/log/messages is > getting filled up with this junk: known problem ... turn off sleep checks inside of kernel debug -mike

April 13, 2004

Nvidia and 2.6.4

by orbitz＠ezabel.com

Hello, I'm running gentoo with 2.6.4 kernel and my /var/log/messages is getting filled up with this junk: Apr 12 23:16:47 sentinel Debug: sleeping function called from invalid context at mm/slab.c:1900 Apr 12 23:16:47 sentinel in_atomic():1, irqs_disabled():0 Apr 12 23:16:47 sentinel Call Trace: Apr 12 23:16:47 sentinel [<c011a1ab>] __might_sleep+0xab/0xd0 Apr 12 23:16:47 sentinel [<c013d0a6>] __kmalloc+0x96/0xa0 Apr 12 23:16:47 sentinel [<e0b7db39>] os_alloc_mem+0x5c/0x87 [nvidia] Apr 12 23:16:47 sentinel [<e0b97df0>] _nv001308rm+0x10/0x28 [nvidia] Apr 12 23:16:47 sentinel [<e0cb058d>] _nv001518rm+0x7c9/0xb34 [nvidia] Apr 12 23:16:47 sentinel [<c0109588>] common_interrupt+0x18/0x20 Apr 12 23:16:47 sentinel [<e0c34d61>] _nv002465rm+0x81/0x420 [nvidia] Apr 12 23:16:47 sentinel [<e0c34d78>] _nv002465rm+0x98/0x420 [nvidia] Apr 12 23:16:47 sentinel [<e0b8d965>] _nv001338rm+0x1d/0x24 [nvidia] Apr 12 23:16:47 sentinel [<e0b7e555>] _nv005601rm+0xd/0x34 [nvidia] Apr 12 23:16:47 sentinel [<e0b85c38>] _nv000858rm+0x300/0xe14 [nvidia] Apr 12 23:16:47 sentinel [<c0124bca>] run_timer_softirq+0x10a/0x1b0 Apr 12 23:16:47 sentinel [<c0124d5f>] do_timer+0xdf/0xf0 Apr 12 23:16:47 sentinel [<c010b16d>] do_IRQ+0xfd/0x130 Apr 12 23:16:47 sentinel [<c0109588>] common_interrupt+0x18/0x20 Apr 12 23:16:47 sentinel [<e0b81eed>] _nv002962rm+0x2c5/0x3b8 [nvidia] Apr 12 23:16:47 sentinel [<e0b9c8a9>] _nv000899rm+0x4c9/0xf70 [nvidia] Apr 12 23:16:47 sentinel [<e0b9c8bc>] _nv000899rm+0x4dc/0xf70 [nvidia] Apr 12 23:16:47 sentinel [<e0ba2df9>] _nv004363rm+0x59/0x90 [nvidia] Apr 12 23:16:47 sentinel [<e0bc05ea>] _nv005046rm+0x52/0x70 [nvidia] Apr 12 23:16:47 sentinel [<e0ba2d02>] _nv004679rm+0x1be/0x1d0 [nvidia] Apr 12 23:16:47 sentinel [<c0117fba>] wake_up_state+0x1a/0x20 Apr 12 23:16:47 sentinel [<c0126c31>] send_group_sig_info+0x31/0x60 Apr 12 23:16:47 sentinel [<c016380b>] send_sigio_to_task+0xeb/0x100 Apr 12 23:16:47 sentinel [<e0b8d7fe>] _nv001344rm+0x46/0x6c [nvidia] Apr 12 23:16:47 sentinel [<e0cb545a>] _nv001480rm+0x3a/0x7c [nvidia] Apr 12 23:16:47 sentinel [<c0163872>] send_sigio+0x52/0xf0 Apr 12 23:16:47 sentinel [<c0267b78>] get_device+0x18/0x30 Apr 12 23:16:47 sentinel [<c02ce9c7>] uhci_submit_common+0x1f7/0x2b0 Apr 12 23:16:47 sentinel [<c0117fba>] wake_up_state+0x1a/0x20 Apr 12 23:16:47 sentinel [<c0126c31>] send_group_sig_info+0x31/0x60 Apr 12 23:16:47 sentinel [<e0cf912f>] _nv000176rm+0x57/0x3ec [nvidia] Apr 12 23:16:47 sentinel [<c018c9ac>] ext3_get_block_handle+0xac/0x360 Apr 12 23:16:47 sentinel [<c0138535>] mempool_alloc+0x75/0x160 Apr 12 23:16:47 sentinel [<c011a5e0>] autoremove_wake_function+0x0/0x50 Apr 12 23:16:47 sentinel [<c0138535>] mempool_alloc+0x75/0x160 Apr 12 23:16:47 sentinel [<e0b8d965>] _nv001338rm+0x1d/0x24 [nvidia] Apr 12 23:16:47 sentinel [<e0bb2eac>] _nv005307rm+0x54/0x544 [nvidia] Apr 12 23:16:47 sentinel [<e0c6369b>] _nv001532rm+0x1f/0x28 [nvidia] Apr 12 23:16:47 sentinel [<e0c6364c>] _nv001534rm+0x20/0x28 [nvidia] Apr 12 23:16:47 sentinel [<e0c63e42>] _nv003621rm+0x1a/0x20 [nvidia] Apr 12 23:16:47 sentinel [<e0cfa708>] _nv000183rm+0x750/0x774 [nvidia] Apr 12 23:16:47 sentinel [<e0c6369b>] _nv001532rm+0x1f/0x28 [nvidia] Apr 12 23:16:47 sentinel [<e0c63e81>] _nv003619rm+0x19/0x20 [nvidia] Apr 12 23:16:47 sentinel [<e0cb29f3>] _nv003073rm+0x1b/0x30 [nvidia] Apr 12 23:16:47 sentinel [<e0cf912f>] _nv000176rm+0x57/0x3ec [nvidia] Apr 12 23:16:47 sentinel [<e0b8d7da>] _nv001344rm+0x22/0x6c [nvidia] Apr 12 23:16:47 sentinel [<e0c637db>] _nv001556rm+0x5b/0x6c [nvidia] Apr 12 23:16:47 sentinel [<e0b8d7da>] _nv001344rm+0x22/0x6c [nvidia] Apr 12 23:16:47 sentinel [<e0c637db>] _nv001556rm+0x5b/0x6c [nvidia] Apr 12 23:16:47 sentinel [<e0b8d7da>] _nv001344rm+0x22/0x6c [nvidia] Apr 12 23:16:47 sentinel [<e0c637db>] _nv001556rm+0x5b/0x6c [nvidia] Apr 12 23:16:47 sentinel [<e0c637db>] _nv001556rm+0x5b/0x6c [nvidia] Apr 12 23:16:47 sentinel [<e0c637db>] _nv001556rm+0x5b/0x6c [nvidia] Apr 12 23:16:47 sentinel [<c0117d1e>] recalc_task_prio+0x8e/0x1b0 Apr 12 23:16:47 sentinel [<e0cf912f>] _nv000176rm+0x57/0x3ec [nvidia] Apr 12 23:16:47 sentinel [<c03337f4>] kfree_skbmem+0x24/0x30 Apr 12 23:16:47 sentinel [<c033385a>] __kfree_skb+0x5a/0xc0 Apr 12 23:16:47 sentinel [<c032fc78>] sock_aio_read+0xb8/0xd0 Apr 12 23:16:47 sentinel [<c015142b>] do_sync_read+0x8b/0xc0 Apr 12 23:16:47 sentinel [<e0b9bfb1>] rm_ioctl+0x19/0x20 [nvidia] Apr 12 23:16:47 sentinel [<e0b7ba08>] nv_kern_ioctl+0x4de/0x529 [nvidia] Apr 12 23:16:47 sentinel [<e0b9a901>] _nv000865rm+0x3d/0x48 [nvidia] Apr 12 23:16:47 sentinel [<e0b7ba78>] nv_kern_isr+0x25/0x5c [nvidia] Apr 12 23:16:47 sentinel [<c0151550>] vfs_read+0xf0/0x130 Apr 12 23:16:47 sentinel [<c0163f13>] sys_ioctl+0xf3/0x2a0 Apr 12 23:16:47 sentinel [<c010941b>] syscall_call+0x7/0xb It seems pretty nvidia related, and I had this rpoblem before, but updating my kernel seems to have brought it back. Does anyone have any idea how to fix this? I suppose if worst comes to worst I can try to revert back to 2.6.2 or 3. Thanks, Malcolm

April 13, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Next meeting - topic?

by doug waud

Hi Chuck Charles R. Anderson wrote: > Who wants to do a PGP Keysigning? It would involve advance > preparation from everyone who would like to participate. By now I'd > imagine most of you have gotten your feet wet with GnuPG :-) If not, > see: > > http://www.wlug.org/files/pgp-slides/index.html > > If there is interest, please let me know in the next couple days so I > can organize the procedure and send out instructions. I have been dragging my feet but, with your posting, got gpg and got to the first step of you slides, gpg --gen-key At that point, I could not remember what default type you had recommended. I realize this is not critical, but like to stick to the same as the rest of the crowd in a KISS mode. :-) So, if you'll pick a default, I'll go on to the next step and report back for help at the next stumble :-) Oh Yes. Count me in as interested! Thanks for volunteering. doug

April 13, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Next meeting - topic?

by Theo Van Dinter

On Mon, Apr 12, 2004 at 05:53:55PM -0400, Charles R. Anderson wrote: > Who wants to do a PGP Keysigning? It would involve advance > preparation from everyone who would like to participate. By now I'd > imagine most of you have gotten your feet wet with GnuPG :-) If not, > see: > > http://www.wlug.org/files/pgp-slides/index.html > > If there is interest, please let me know in the next couple days so I > can organize the procedure and send out instructions. I'd be game. Who wouldn't want to travel to Worcester with passport in hand? ;) BTW: I ran the 2 keysignings at LISA 03 and had http://www.biglumber.com/ recommended to me as a useful site to organize key signings in the future. I haven't poked around it too much, but it may make life easier. :) -- Randomly Generated Tagline: How do Crays and Alphas handle the POSIX problem? -- Larry Wall in <199709050042.RAA29379(a)wall.org>

April 12, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Next meeting - topic?

by Charles R. Anderson

Who wants to do a PGP Keysigning? It would involve advance preparation from everyone who would like to participate. By now I'd imagine most of you have gotten your feet wet with GnuPG :-) If not, see: http://www.wlug.org/files/pgp-slides/index.html If there is interest, please let me know in the next couple days so I can organize the procedure and send out instructions.

April 12, 2004

Next meeting - topic?

by Andy Stewart

HI all, We have a meeting coming up on Thursday, April 22, but we have neither a topic nor a speaker. Since I am fully consumed in my job search and the layoff process, I won't be able to do a presentation this month. I am seeking a volunteer - please?? :-) Now, now, don't push and shove, I know many of you are eager for such a challenge. Please contact me by email and we can work out the details. Thanks in advance! Andy -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA USA http://www.wlug.org

April 12, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Verizon DSL on SuSE

by Josh Huber

Frank Sweetser <fs(a)WPI.EDU> writes: > That doesn't always work. Not all of these attacks require that the > packet sent to your machine be sent to what your machine believes is > the broadcast address for your subnet. True. I suppose some simple rate limiting would do the trick for this as a general solution... (-m limit --limit 2/second type thing) > Think of it this way. Would you leave your back door unlocked and > open just because you've only seen people come in and out of the > front door? Well, we are talking about ping here. -- Josh Huber

April 9, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Verizon DSL on SuSE

by Frank Sweetser

On Fri, Apr 09, 2004 at 11:19:19AM -0400, Josh Huber wrote: > Frank Sweetser <fs(a)WPI.EDU> writes: > > > How about the fact that if you don't, you're open to acting as an > > unwitting participant in a smurf/fraggle amplification DoS? > > I suppose, if you don't enable things like the rp_filter (or > equivalent with iptables) and > > echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/icmp_echo_ignore_broadcasts > > I doubt anyone keeps udp echo enabled these days. That doesn't always work. Not all of these attacks require that the packet sent to your machine be sent to what your machine believes is the broadcast address for your subnet. Think of it this way. Would you leave your back door unlocked and open just because you've only seen people come in and out of the front door? -- Frank Sweetser fs at wpi.edu WPI Network Engineer GPG fingerprint = 6174 1257 129E 0D21 D8D4 E8A3 8E39 29E3 E2E8 8CEC

April 9, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Verizon DSL on SuSE

by Josh Huber

Frank Sweetser <fs(a)WPI.EDU> writes: > How about the fact that if you don't, you're open to acting as an > unwitting participant in a smurf/fraggle amplification DoS? I suppose, if you don't enable things like the rp_filter (or equivalent with iptables) and echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/icmp_echo_ignore_broadcasts I doubt anyone keeps udp echo enabled these days. -- Josh Huber

April 9, 2004

RE: [Wlug] Verizon DSL on SuSE

by Martin, Eric

Please elaborate. I know what a DDoS and DoS are, but smurf/fraggle amplication; now I'm lost. -----Original Message----- From: Frank Sweetser [mailto:fs@WPI.EDU] Sent: Friday, April 09, 2004 10:53 AM To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org Subject: Re: [Wlug] Verizon DSL on SuSE On Fri, Apr 09, 2004 at 10:50:18AM -0400, Josh Huber wrote: > "Martin, Eric" <MartinE(a)worc.k12.ma.us> writes: > > > I personally have my firewall configured to drop pings. If they > > don't know you're there, you aren't a target. Granted it doesn't > > keep seasoned hackers off your box, but it's one more piece of > > security. > > I don't buy that argument. Two situations: How about the fact that if you don't, you're open to acting as an unwitting participant in a smurf/fraggle amplification DoS? -- Frank Sweetser fs at wpi.edu WPI Network Engineer GPG fingerprint = 6174 1257 129E 0D21 D8D4 E8A3 8E39 29E3 E2E8 8CEC _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

April 9, 2004

RE: [Wlug] Verizon DSL on SuSE

by Martin, Eric

I have 0 visible services, but I still don't want people doing port scans. Why pose a target when I don't have to. There is no reason why anybody should be pinging my house. Therefore, I don't let them. Why would I enable anything to let people see me? Stardard security practice: Only allow what is *needed*, and I don't *need* anybody pinging me. If I do, I'll turn it on. Eric -----Original Message----- From: Josh Huber [mailto:huber@alum.wpi.edu] Sent: Friday, April 09, 2004 10:50 AM To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org Subject: Re: [Wlug] Verizon DSL on SuSE "Martin, Eric" <MartinE(a)worc.k12.ma.us> writes: > I personally have my firewall configured to drop pings. If they don't > know you're there, you aren't a target. Granted it doesn't keep > seasoned hackers off your box, but it's one more piece of security. I don't buy that argument. Two situations: 1) You have no other internet-visible services: * What's the harm in allowing icmp echo? Who cares, unless there happens to be some vulnerable ICMP code in the kernel. I suppose that's a risk I'd be willing to take. :) 2) You have other internet-visible services: * A port scan will reveal you, regardless of ICMP responses. -- Josh Huber _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

April 9, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Verizon DSL on SuSE

by Frank Sweetser

On Fri, Apr 09, 2004 at 10:50:18AM -0400, Josh Huber wrote: > "Martin, Eric" <MartinE(a)worc.k12.ma.us> writes: > > > I personally have my firewall configured to drop pings. If they > > don't know you're there, you aren't a target. Granted it doesn't > > keep seasoned hackers off your box, but it's one more piece of > > security. > > I don't buy that argument. Two situations: How about the fact that if you don't, you're open to acting as an unwitting participant in a smurf/fraggle amplification DoS? -- Frank Sweetser fs at wpi.edu WPI Network Engineer GPG fingerprint = 6174 1257 129E 0D21 D8D4 E8A3 8E39 29E3 E2E8 8CEC

April 9, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Verizon DSL on SuSE

by Josh Huber

"Martin, Eric" <MartinE(a)worc.k12.ma.us> writes: > I personally have my firewall configured to drop pings. If they > don't know you're there, you aren't a target. Granted it doesn't > keep seasoned hackers off your box, but it's one more piece of > security. I don't buy that argument. Two situations: 1) You have no other internet-visible services: * What's the harm in allowing icmp echo? Who cares, unless there happens to be some vulnerable ICMP code in the kernel. I suppose that's a risk I'd be willing to take. :) 2) You have other internet-visible services: * A port scan will reveal you, regardless of ICMP responses. -- Josh Huber

April 9, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Verizon DSL on SuSE

by doug waud

Hi again Gregory Avedissian wrote: > Well, I needed to do something, because it was acting weird. The screen > was stalling for a couple seconds at a time, every few seconds. It was > too annoying to proceed. Yes, I see that occasionally with KDE. But again, that is not Linux per se. I suspect KDE is not quite ready for prime time. :-) When this happens to me, I just CTRL/ALT/Fn to a plain terminal, init 3 (to kill the Xwindow mess) and then init 5 to restart it. Unless KDE is so screwed up that it has trashed to keyboard, this should work without rebooting. > This seems to happen after doing NIC setup in yast. Maybe I'll try it > again to see if restarting the network helps. I admit that Yast strikes me as slso a bit dodgy. But again, the rcnetwork restart and/or init 3 then 5 should bail you out. doug

April 9, 2004

RE: [Wlug] Verizon DSL on SuSE

by Martin, Eric

I personally have my firewall configured to drop pings. If they don't know you're there, you aren't a target. Granted it doesn't keep seasoned hackers off your box, but it's one more piece of security. -----Original Message----- From: Josh Huber [mailto:huber@alum.wpi.edu] Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 10:50 AM To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org Subject: Re: [Wlug] Verizon DSL on SuSE avedis(a)rcn.com writes: > [...] > then could surf, with download speeds up to 1.7M/s. Just curious, is that bytes or bits? (I wasn't aware of verizon offering such a fast link) > I even got my firewall working with the new connection, but two things > seems to have changed. SuSEfirewall2 was set not to accept pings, and > it looks like it's still set that way, but Gibson Research's port > scanning utility can ping me. The other thing is that before, I had to > manually enter commands > (iptables) to drop packets to port 119 to put it into "stealth" mode. > Now, I don't have to do that, as it already appears stealthed. Can > anyone explain either of these phenomena? I'm not sure why you would want to drop all pings. You'll probably find that the default firewalling rules drop some kinds of ICMP packets, but there are some which are useful to keep around. (personally, I think dropping all inbound ICMP is pretty annoying when trying to diagnose network issues...) As for port 119, this appears to be the NNTP (net news) port -- why would you be running a news server I'm not sure :) -- Josh Huber _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

April 9, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Verizon DSL on SuSE

by Gregory Avedissian

Well, I needed to do something, because it was acting weird. The screen was stalling for a couple seconds at a time, every few seconds. It was too annoying to proceed. This seems to happen after doing NIC setup in yast. Maybe I'll try it again to see if restarting the network helps. Thanks. Greg doug waud wrote: > Hi greg > > avedis(a)rcn.com wrote: > > (snip,snip) > > I only had to make one file edit, > >> to designate eth0 in pppoe.conf, rebooted the computer and >> then could surf, > > > That "rebooted the computer" caught my eye. This is Linux, not Windows, > you don't need to reboot. In SuSE you can just shutdown and restart the > network with > rcnetwork restart > (rcnetwork is just a script in /sbin. You can browse it with less if you > want to see the gory details.) > > doug > > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > >

April 8, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Verizon DSL on SuSE

by doug waud

Hi greg avedis(a)rcn.com wrote: (snip,snip) I only had to make one file edit, > to designate eth0 in pppoe.conf, rebooted the computer and > then could surf, That "rebooted the computer" caught my eye. This is Linux, not Windows, you don't need to reboot. In SuSE you can just shutdown and restart the network with rcnetwork restart (rcnetwork is just a script in /sbin. You can browse it with less if you want to see the gory details.) doug

April 8, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Verizon DSL on SuSE

by Josh Huber

avedis(a)rcn.com writes: > Bits, I think. Whatever they advertise as supplying 1.5meg down and > 128k up. I'm at the bottom of the hill from the phone company, so > maybe that helps. I downloaded knoppix (700MB) in a little more than > an hour. Okay, that makes more sense :) > I don't know enough to have an answer. How many kinds of ICMP are > there? The firewall config file gives three choices - > > # Allow (or don't) ICMP echo pings on either the firewall or the dmz > # from the internet? The internet option is for allowing the DMZ and > # the internal network to ping the internet. > FW_ALLOW_PING_FW="no" > FW_ALLOW_PING_DMZ="no" > FW_ALLOW_PING_EXT="no" > > I understand that the first two determine whether the firewall > or the dmz respond to pings from the internet, but I'm not > sure what the third option does. I am able to ping out to the > internet, even though it's set to 'no', so I don't understand > the last comment. I'm not sure why you would want to block outbound pings, but that sounds like the intended behavior of the last option in the list. You probably don't use a DMZ configuration, so the first should just disallow inbound pings. Can you test if incoming pings are replied to? What's you IP address? > Woops. I meant port 113, identd/auth. Ah, I'm sure they don't run/firewall idend by default... -- Josh Huber

April 8, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Verizon DSL on SuSE

by avedis＠rcn.com

Josh Huber wrote: > avedis(a)rcn.com writes: > > >>[...] >>then could surf, with download speeds up to 1.7M/s. > > Just curious, is that bytes or bits? (I wasn't aware of verizon > offering such a fast link)> Bits, I think. Whatever they advertise as supplying 1.5meg down and 128k up. I'm at the bottom of the hill from the phone company, so maybe that helps. I downloaded knoppix (700MB) in a little more than an hour. > > I'm not sure why you would want to drop all pings. You'll probably > find that the default firewalling rules drop some kinds of ICMP > packets, but there are some which are useful to keep > around. (personally, I think dropping all inbound ICMP is pretty > annoying when trying to diagnose network issues...) > I don't know enough to have an answer. How many kinds of ICMP are there? The firewall config file gives three choices - # Allow (or don't) ICMP echo pings on either the firewall or the dmz from # the internet? The internet option is for allowing the DMZ and the internal # network to ping the internet. FW_ALLOW_PING_FW="no" FW_ALLOW_PING_DMZ="no" FW_ALLOW_PING_EXT="no" I understand that the first two determine whether the firewall or the dmz respond to pings from the internet, but I'm not sure what the third option does. I am able to ping out to the internet, even though it's set to 'no', so I don't understand the last comment. > As for port 119, this appears to be the NNTP (net news) port -- why > would you be running a news server I'm not sure :) > Woops. I meant port 113, identd/auth. Thanks, Greg

April 8, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Verizon DSL on SuSE

by Josh Huber

avedis(a)rcn.com writes: > [...] > then could surf, with download speeds up to 1.7M/s. Just curious, is that bytes or bits? (I wasn't aware of verizon offering such a fast link) > I even got my firewall working with the new connection, but > two things seems to have changed. SuSEfirewall2 was set not to > accept pings, and it looks like it's still set that way, but > Gibson Research's port scanning utility can ping me. The other > thing is that before, I had to manually enter commands > (iptables) to drop packets to port 119 to put it into > "stealth" mode. Now, I don't have to do that, as it already > appears stealthed. Can anyone explain either of these phenomena? I'm not sure why you would want to drop all pings. You'll probably find that the default firewalling rules drop some kinds of ICMP packets, but there are some which are useful to keep around. (personally, I think dropping all inbound ICMP is pretty annoying when trying to diagnose network issues...) As for port 119, this appears to be the NNTP (net news) port -- why would you be running a news server I'm not sure :) -- Josh Huber

April 8, 2004

Verizon DSL on SuSE

by avedis＠rcn.com

I got set up yesterday with Verizon DSL. I had to boot into windows to do the account activation, and their tech support walked me through it. Once the connection was up, I added a hub and a second computer (with XP - it's not mine, I swear) opened a browser and began surfing. Setting up DSL on SuSE 8.2 was pretty easy, considering I don't really know what I'm doing. Yast setup for a network card and dsl went smoothly. I only had to make one file edit, to designate eth0 in pppoe.conf, rebooted the computer and then could surf, with download speeds up to 1.7M/s. I even got my firewall working with the new connection, but two things seems to have changed. SuSEfirewall2 was set not to accept pings, and it looks like it's still set that way, but Gibson Research's port scanning utility can ping me. The other thing is that before, I had to manually enter commands (iptables) to drop packets to port 119 to put it into "stealth" mode. Now, I don't have to do that, as it already appears stealthed. Can anyone explain either of these phenomena? Greg

April 8, 2004

RE: [Wlug] Re: WLUG IRC anywhere?

by Martin, Eric

That's where I am now. Heck I'll even settle for being able to coax it out of the user, along with processor and RAM info...but some people you can't even get that far. (Yes all my windows are closed, it's Winter!!!) Eric -----Original Message----- From: Bill Smith [mailto:wsmith@chezsmith.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2004 3:29 PM To: Worcester Linux Users Group Subject: Re: [Wlug] Re: WLUG IRC anywhere? On Wed, 7 Apr 2004 09:06:51 -0400 "Martin, Eric" <MartinE(a)worc.k12.ma.us> wrote: > Here Here!!! Granted I've gotten into a debate with a friend of mine and > have slowly came to the conclusion that not everybody needs to know > *everything* about a computer to work one, but directories and applications > are a good start :) Worst one is when you ask and aol user for their email > addy, and they tell you HappyGoLucky127 (generally you can just assume the > @aol.com) I'll take that.... trying to know the why's and wherefore's of a computer before using one is like trying to know the intimate details of how a car works before driving one. all i ask from a user is that s/he know enough about the system they are using so that if i ask "what OS are you using?", i don't get a blank look. (i've gotten a lot of them, believe me.) -- William Smith wsmith(a)chezsmith.com Fall River, MA _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

April 8, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Re: WLUG IRC anywhere?

by Bill Smith

On Wed, 07 Apr 2004 16:14:44 -0400 Bob George <mailings02(a)ttlexceeded.com> wrote: > Yes, it was very weird. Unfortunately, he was buddies with the guy who > ran the server, and since it wasn't LUG "official" (sort of like WLUG's > current) he couldn't be de-op'ed. <shaking head> there's more than one way to skin a cat. > > before being allowed onto the 'Net. something BASIC (<ahem> pun > > intended), > > Hmm... am I dating myself when I admit that I remember when computers > actually ran BASIC? <g> we can start a discussion of "i remember when..." statements, but i think it will quickly disintegrate into a pissing contest. ;) > > maybe a test of some sort... "What is the difference between a hard > > drive and a floppy drive? (holding up a 3.5" floppy) Which one is > > THIS?" > > Hold up a 5 1/4" floppy and watch 'em glaze over. :) imagine the look when i show 'em one of my 8" floppies! :) "Huh? I didn't know they made 'em THAT big!" :D > I agree at a general level, but cringe when I think what our dear ol' > government might consider "proper credentials." Visions of lobbyists and > special interests sticking all sorts of propaganda in, politically > correct, sensitive questions, and the like. "RAM" and "hard drive" > deemed hostile, "RBLs" deemed discriminatory, "cache" deemed > discriminatory to the financially challenged. I might fail whatever they > manage to concoct. i try not to put anything past the government, but i really doubt that they would be able to implement any sort of qualification list on computer users at this stage of the Game... they'd have to require the general populace to pass a test to buy a blender... (come to think of it, maybe that wouldn't be a /bad/ thing... <g>) > Then again, maybe I'm just too cynical. They've managed to institute a > series of tests and checks to ensure that anybody taking to our roads is > well-versed in the rules, and able to operate their vehicle properly, right? it's been a while since you drove on Route 128 in rush hour, hasn't it? <gd&r> > > <shrug> some days, i just want to pull out my Apple IIgs and stick > > to THAT. ...then i realize how slow it is, compared to my current > > system. :) > > I do want to get my old Apple (the REAL apple, not that Mac impostor!) > hooked up to my Linux box someday, maybe doing something "useful" like > 'tail -f' on log files. the easiest way i have found for that is to rig a serial connection to the Linux box (serial cable and a null modem) and use the Apple II as a dumb terminal. I've seen getty configurations for getting the Apple to play nice, and it worked like a champ about five years ago, when i played with it... other than that, there are ethernet cards one can buy for about $200 (!), but that's not happening in my house for a long while. i'd /love/ to have the space for GNO/ME, though... it's a unix-ish overlay for GS/OS. :D -- William Smith wsmith(a)chezsmith.com Fall River, MA

April 7, 2004

Re: WLUG IRC anywhere?

by Bob George

Martin, Eric wrote: > [...] Worst one is when you ask and aol user for their email addy, > and they tell you HappyGoLucky127 (generally you can just assume the > @aol.com) Erm... there ARE other email systems out there. They're not WRONG, just on today's Internet. - Bob (formerly 75730.2030 on CI$)

April 7, 2004

Re: WLUG IRC anywhere?

by Bob George

Bill Smith wrote: > [...] let's see if i got this right: a guy volunteered to design a > website for a LUG and insisted on using M$-specific tools. ummm... Yes, it was very weird. Unfortunately, he was buddies with the guy who ran the server, and since it wasn't LUG "official" (sort of like WLUG's current) he couldn't be de-op'ed. > [...] at the risk of sounding technocratic, i think a person should > have some level of functionality I too advocate human functionality :) > before being allowed onto the 'Net. something BASIC (<ahem> pun > intended), Hmm... am I dating myself when I admit that I remember when computers actually ran BASIC? > maybe a test of some sort... "What is the difference between a hard > drive and a floppy drive? (holding up a 3.5" floppy) Which one is > THIS?" Hold up a 5 1/4" floppy and watch 'em glaze over. :) I agree at a general level, but cringe when I think what our dear ol' government might consider "proper credentials." Visions of lobbyists and special interests sticking all sorts of propaganda in, politically correct, sensitive questions, and the like. "RAM" and "hard drive" deemed hostile, "RBLs" deemed discriminatory, "cache" deemed discriminatory to the financially challenged. I might fail whatever they manage to concoct. Then again, maybe I'm just too cynical. They've managed to institute a series of tests and checks to ensure that anybody taking to our roads is well-versed in the rules, and able to operate their vehicle properly, right? > <shrug> some days, i just want to pull out my Apple IIgs and stick > to THAT. ...then i realize how slow it is, compared to my current > system. :) I do want to get my old Apple (the REAL apple, not that Mac impostor!) hooked up to my Linux box someday, maybe doing something "useful" like 'tail -f' on log files. I could still stand a game of Karateka once in a while. :) - Bob

April 7, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Re: WLUG IRC anywhere?

by Bill Smith

On Wed, 7 Apr 2004 09:06:51 -0400 "Martin, Eric" <MartinE(a)worc.k12.ma.us> wrote: > Here Here!!! Granted I've gotten into a debate with a friend of mine and > have slowly came to the conclusion that not everybody needs to know > *everything* about a computer to work one, but directories and applications > are a good start :) Worst one is when you ask and aol user for their email > addy, and they tell you HappyGoLucky127 (generally you can just assume the > @aol.com) I'll take that.... trying to know the why's and wherefore's of a computer before using one is like trying to know the intimate details of how a car works before driving one. all i ask from a user is that s/he know enough about the system they are using so that if i ask "what OS are you using?", i don't get a blank look. (i've gotten a lot of them, believe me.) -- William Smith wsmith(a)chezsmith.com Fall River, MA

April 7, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Re: WLUG IRC anywhere?

by Bill Smith

On Tue, 06 Apr 2004 10:59:32 -0400 Bob George <mailings02(a)ttlexceeded.com> wrote: > For our poor little IRC channel, it was particularly bad. This kid had > joined the LUG list, and offered to do all kinds of web development etc. > with the hopes he'd get some free advertising for his "big business > venture." No problem there, but he proceeded to rant on-list about > wanting to use ASP etc., arguing against open-source content management > tools as "boring." let's see if i got this right: a guy volunteered to design a website for a LUG and insisted on using M$-specific tools. ummm... > That carried over to the IRC channel, and he'd essentially scare off any > potential Linux converts with his lousy attitude. that's not Good. > We'd best watch it, or they'll start mandating the equivalent of > seatbelt and helmet laws for computers. I agree that users should be > responsible, but I don't want the government dictating how "safe" > software should be developed. I like the idea of an INFORMED user base. at the risk of sounding technocratic, i think a person should have some level of functionality before being allowed onto the 'Net. something BASIC (<ahem> pun intended), maybe a test of some sort... "What is the difference between a hard drive and a floppy drive? (holding up a 3.5" floppy) Which one is THIS?" <shrug> some days, i just want to pull out my Apple IIgs and stick to THAT. ...then i realize how slow it is, compared to my current system. :) -- William Smith wsmith(a)chezsmith.com Fall River, MA

April 7, 2004

Re: [Wlug] 64 bit architechture

by Karl Hiramoto

my deskdtop has Kernel 2.4.22 and the config has processor options for AMD64. You might be best though with a 2.6.X kernel though I'm running 2.6.3 in gentoo-dev-sources now on my laptop, and it is going very well. > Greetings all; > > Sorry i've not been able to attend the meetings in a while... still trying > to get past some health problems... > > can any one tell me which kernel version would be suitable for a machine > with 64 bit architechture? > > thanx in advance > > dave goss > > assimulation is futile > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > -- Karl Hiramoto <karl(a)hiramoto.org> Work: 978-425-2090 ext 25 Cell: 508-517-4819 Personal web page: http://karl.hiramoto.org/ AOL IM ID = KarlH420 Yahoo_IM = karl_hiramoto

April 7, 2004

Re: [Wlug] 64 bit architechture

by Gregory Boyce

64 bit architectures have been supported for a rather long time in Linux, depending on the arch. If you're compiling a new kernel, I would suggest the 2.6 series (2.6.5 is the current version). It has a lot of improvements and is much speedier. I'm not sure which 64 bit arch you're talking about, but you may need patches to get the kernel fully stable. There are seperate sets of PPC/PPC64, Alpha and Sparc64 patches. There are probably some out there for ia64 (Itanium) and x86-64 (Athlon64) as well. On Fri, 2004-04-02 at 10:57, David Goss wrote: > Greetings all; > > Sorry i've not been able to attend the meetings in a while... still trying > to get past some health problems... > > can any one tell me which kernel version would be suitable for a machine > with 64 bit architechture? > > thanx in advance > > dave goss > > assimulation is futile > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

April 7, 2004

Re: [Wlug] 64 bit architechture

by Gary Hanley

Well the obvious question is, "Which architecture?" I hope it's not Itanic. :-) If it's AMD64, I suspect Gentoo may be preferable. I plan on splurging on the new AMD chip in the near future and have also been trying to decide which distro to use. Any other architecture, sorry, I have no idea. -- Gary On Fri, 2 Apr 2004, David Goss wrote: > can any one tell me which kernel version would be suitable for a machine > with 64 bit architechture?

April 7, 2004

RE: [Wlug] Re: WLUG IRC anywhere?

by Martin, Eric

Here Here!!! Granted I've gotten into a debate with a friend of mine and have slowly came to the conclusion that not everybody needs to know *everything* about a computer to work one, but directories and applications are a good start :) Worst one is when you ask and aol user for their email addy, and they tell you HappyGoLucky127 (generally you can just assume the @aol.com) Eric -----Original Message----- From: orbitz(a)ezabel.com [mailto:orbitz@ezabel.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2004 10:12 AM To: Worcester Linux Users Group Subject: Re: [Wlug] Re: WLUG IRC anywhere? Having tried to fix many peoples Windows XP installs I find XP very unmanagable. The guts (generally what I need to fix) is so hidden from the user in an attempt to keep up the facade of 'ease of use' it's a PITA to get around just to fix a screwy network connection. How many windows users don't even know what a directory is? I don't call that ease of use, merely keeping them ignorant. It's a sad state of computer use:) On Tue, 6 Apr 2004 09:51:56 -0400 Bill Smith <wsmith(a)chezsmith.com> wrote: > On Tue, 06 Apr 2004 08:43:57 -0400 > Bob George <mailings02(a)ttlexceeded.com> wrote: > > > Hey, at least there's not some kid constantly griping that Windows > > was > > so much easier (what happened to the Phoenix LUG channel - now #plugaz). > > I often find myself sighing at the "Windows is easier" crowd. i want > to educate them to what is available to them, to show them that > "easier" does not necessarily mean "best for the job". Easier might > be just that (easy), but it sometimes means making the wrong choice. > > If a person wants to favor an operating system simply because it's > "easy", then that person deserves all the resulting heartache s/he > gets. often, the person looking for "easy" will think "ease of use" > instead of "ease to get going without immediate worry"... If that > became a major concern instead, I think we would see a decided shift > towards unix variants. Sure, Win* might be easy to USE, but if you > want it networked, there's a bit of know-how and effort involved to > make it SECURE. (that could probably be said for any OS, but it is > more true for Win* than for many others.) > > > A lot of LUG channels are largely idle, but I tend to lurk and > > occasionally there are some gems worth waiting for. > > :) granted. can't argue that one. > > -- > > William Smith wsmith(a)chezsmith.com > Fall River, MA > _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

April 7, 2004

Re: WLUG IRC anywhere?/Windows

by doug waud

Hi (Can't resist my two bits worth! :-) ) >>Hey, at least there's not some kid constantly griping that Windows was >>so much easier If it is so "easy", why is it that PC Magazine has been able to generate pages and pages of how to fix things in Windows, every issue for 10 to 15 years? :-) doug

April 6, 2004

Re: [Wlug] WLUG IRC anywhere?

by Keith Wright

> From: "Charles R. Anderson" <cra(a)WPI.EDU> > > Yeah there is this one called Eliza...you should talk to it > sometime... You seem to be interested in Eliza. Would you like me to help you to should talk to it sometime...? -- Clippy

April 6, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Re: WLUG IRC anywhere?

by Jeff Moyer

==> Regarding [Wlug] Re: WLUG IRC anywhere?; Bob George <mailings02(a)ttlexceeded.com> adds: mailings02> Keller, Tim wrote: >> I generally find that linux irc channels fall into two categories. >> >> 1. Neophytes + Zealots (of windows and linux) duking it out online >> 2. Elitists discussing highly esoteric topics such as altering disk >> timing performance via hot kernel patches to /proc/kmem mailings02> 3. "Good morning" and "how's the weather?" :) 4. Newbie questions galore. -phro

April 6, 2004

Re: WLUG IRC anywhere?

by Bob George

Keller, Tim wrote: > I generally find that linux irc channels fall into two categories. > > 1. Neophytes + Zealots (of windows and linux) duking it out online > 2. Elitists discussing highly esoteric topics such as altering disk timing > performance via hot kernel patches to /proc/kmem 3. "Good morning" and "how's the weather?" :) > I'll take category 2 any day, generally through lurking I'll learn > something. I'm mostly lurking trying to get a feel for the local community. So far, I get the feeling everyone's still hibernating from winter. Hopefully it'll pick up ... some. - Bob

April 6, 2004

RE: [Wlug] Re: WLUG IRC anywhere?

by Keller, Tim

I generally find that linux irc channels fall into two categories. 1. Neophytes + Zealots (of windows and linux) duking it out online 2. Elitists discussing highly esoteric topics such as altering disk timing performance via hot kernel patches to /proc/kmem I'll take category 2 any day, generally through lurking I'll learn something. Tim. -----Original Message----- From: Bob George [mailto:mailings02@ttlexceeded.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2004 11:00 AM To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org Subject: [Wlug] Re: WLUG IRC anywhere? Bill Smith wrote: > [...] I often find myself sighing at the "Windows is easier" crowd. > i want to educate them to what is available to them, to show them > that "easier" does not necessarily mean "best for the job". Easier > might be just that (easy), but it sometimes means making the wrong > choice. For our poor little IRC channel, it was particularly bad. This kid had joined the LUG list, and offered to do all kinds of web development etc. with the hopes he'd get some free advertising for his "big business venture." No problem there, but he proceeded to rant on-list about wanting to use ASP etc., arguing against open-source content management tools as "boring." That carried over to the IRC channel, and he'd essentially scare off any potential Linux converts with his lousy attitude. > If a person wants to favor an operating system simply because it's > "easy", then that person deserves all the resulting heartache s/he > gets. often, the person looking for "easy" will think "ease of use" > instead of "ease to get going without immediate worry"... There was a great post a few years back (forgot which list) comparing web development using front page to the (original, good) Matrix movie precept. It got into the "warm, wet, comfortable goo" of FP, and how long and painful it was extricating himself and his code. Although it fit apple better in years previous, I think "Freedom From Choice" is what a lot of people want (with apologies to Devo). > If that > became a major concern instead, I think we would see a decided shift > towards unix variants. Sure, Win* might be easy to USE, but if you > want it networked, there's a bit of know-how and effort involved to > make it SECURE. (that could probably be said for any OS, but it is > more true for Win* than for many others.) We'd best watch it, or they'll start mandating the equivalent of seatbelt and helmet laws for computers. I agree that users should be responsible, but I don't want the government dictating how "safe" software should be developed. I like the idea of an INFORMED user base. - Bob _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

April 6, 2004

Re: WLUG IRC anywhere?

by Bob George

Bill Smith wrote: > [...] I often find myself sighing at the "Windows is easier" crowd. > i want to educate them to what is available to them, to show them > that "easier" does not necessarily mean "best for the job". Easier > might be just that (easy), but it sometimes means making the wrong > choice. For our poor little IRC channel, it was particularly bad. This kid had joined the LUG list, and offered to do all kinds of web development etc. with the hopes he'd get some free advertising for his "big business venture." No problem there, but he proceeded to rant on-list about wanting to use ASP etc., arguing against open-source content management tools as "boring." That carried over to the IRC channel, and he'd essentially scare off any potential Linux converts with his lousy attitude. > If a person wants to favor an operating system simply because it's > "easy", then that person deserves all the resulting heartache s/he > gets. often, the person looking for "easy" will think "ease of use" > instead of "ease to get going without immediate worry"... There was a great post a few years back (forgot which list) comparing web development using front page to the (original, good) Matrix movie precept. It got into the "warm, wet, comfortable goo" of FP, and how long and painful it was extricating himself and his code. Although it fit apple better in years previous, I think "Freedom From Choice" is what a lot of people want (with apologies to Devo). > If that > became a major concern instead, I think we would see a decided shift > towards unix variants. Sure, Win* might be easy to USE, but if you > want it networked, there's a bit of know-how and effort involved to > make it SECURE. (that could probably be said for any OS, but it is > more true for Win* than for many others.) We'd best watch it, or they'll start mandating the equivalent of seatbelt and helmet laws for computers. I agree that users should be responsible, but I don't want the government dictating how "safe" software should be developed. I like the idea of an INFORMED user base. - Bob

April 6, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Re: WLUG IRC anywhere?

by orbitz＠ezabel.com

Having tried to fix many peoples Windows XP installs I find XP very unmanagable. The guts (generally what I need to fix) is so hidden from the user in an attempt to keep up the facade of 'ease of use' it's a PITA to get around just to fix a screwy network connection. How many windows users don't even know what a directory is? I don't call that ease of use, merely keeping them ignorant. It's a sad state of computer use:) On Tue, 6 Apr 2004 09:51:56 -0400 Bill Smith <wsmith(a)chezsmith.com> wrote: > On Tue, 06 Apr 2004 08:43:57 -0400 > Bob George <mailings02(a)ttlexceeded.com> wrote: > > > Hey, at least there's not some kid constantly griping that Windows was > > so much easier (what happened to the Phoenix LUG channel - now #plugaz). > > I often find myself sighing at the "Windows is easier" crowd. i want to > educate them to what is available to them, to show them that "easier" does not > necessarily mean "best for the job". Easier might be just that (easy), but it > sometimes means making the wrong choice. > > If a person wants to favor an operating system simply because it's "easy", > then that person deserves all the resulting heartache s/he gets. often, the > person looking for "easy" will think "ease of use" instead of "ease to get > going without immediate worry"... If that became a major concern instead, I > think we would see a decided shift towards unix variants. Sure, Win* might be > easy to USE, but if you want it networked, there's a bit of know-how and > effort involved to make it SECURE. (that could probably be said for any OS, > but it is more true for Win* than for many others.) > > > A lot of LUG channels are largely idle, but I tend to lurk and > > occasionally there are some gems worth waiting for. > > :) granted. can't argue that one. > > -- > > William Smith wsmith(a)chezsmith.com > Fall River, MA >

April 6, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Re: WLUG IRC anywhere?

by Bill Smith

On Tue, 06 Apr 2004 08:43:57 -0400 Bob George <mailings02(a)ttlexceeded.com> wrote: > Hey, at least there's not some kid constantly griping that Windows was > so much easier (what happened to the Phoenix LUG channel - now #plugaz). I often find myself sighing at the "Windows is easier" crowd. i want to educate them to what is available to them, to show them that "easier" does not necessarily mean "best for the job". Easier might be just that (easy), but it sometimes means making the wrong choice. If a person wants to favor an operating system simply because it's "easy", then that person deserves all the resulting heartache s/he gets. often, the person looking for "easy" will think "ease of use" instead of "ease to get going without immediate worry"... If that became a major concern instead, I think we would see a decided shift towards unix variants. Sure, Win* might be easy to USE, but if you want it networked, there's a bit of know-how and effort involved to make it SECURE. (that could probably be said for any OS, but it is more true for Win* than for many others.) > A lot of LUG channels are largely idle, but I tend to lurk and > occasionally there are some gems worth waiting for. :) granted. can't argue that one. -- William Smith wsmith(a)chezsmith.com Fall River, MA

April 6, 2004

Re: WLUG IRC anywhere?

by Bob George

Bill Smith wrote: > [...] <shrug> Chuck's right, though. I've popped in a couple times > since he told us about this channel, and there is next to no traffic > whatsoever. Apparently Chuck leaves his IRC client on to monitor > traffic levels there, 'cause he wasn't even talking with me when i > joined in. (no snide comments from the peanut gallery!! <g>) Hey, at least there's not some kid constantly griping that Windows was so much easier (what happened to the Phoenix LUG channel - now #plugaz). A lot of LUG channels are largely idle, but I tend to lurk and occasionally there are some gems worth waiting for. - Bob (bobstro)

April 6, 2004

Re: [Wlug] WLUG IRC anywhere?

by Bill Smith

On Mon, 5 Apr 2004 18:40:13 -0400 "Charles R. Anderson" <cra(a)WPI.EDU> wrote: > On Mon, Apr 05, 2004 at 05:50:18PM -0400, Jeff Moyer wrote: > > Chuck, you sit on irc channels by yourself? Doesn't that kind of defeat > > the purpose? Or do you have bots to talk to? > > Yeah there is this one called Eliza...you should talk to it > sometime... ayuh... Eliza... she's been my best friend since high school... <sniffle> she's the only one that /truly/ understands... :D -- William Smith wsmith(a)chezsmith.com Fall River, MA

April 6, 2004

Re: [Wlug] WLUG IRC anywhere?

by Bill Smith

On Mon, 5 Apr 2004 17:50:18 -0400 Jeff Moyer <jmoyer(a)redhat.com> wrote: > cra> irc.freenode.net > > >> wlug > > cra> I discovered this about a year ago, and it was being (rarely) used by > cra> the Western Linux Users Group: > > cra> http://www.westernlug.org > ... > cra> There hasn't been any activity on the channel, and I have been its > cra> only joined member for many many months now. I say we start using it > > Chuck, you sit on irc channels by yourself? Doesn't that kind of defeat > the purpose? Or do you have bots to talk to? <shrug> Chuck's right, though. I've popped in a couple times since he told us about this channel, and there is next to no traffic whatsoever. Apparently Chuck leaves his IRC client on to monitor traffic levels there, 'cause he wasn't even talking with me when i joined in. (no snide comments from the peanut gallery!! <g>) -- William Smith wsmith(a)chezsmith.com Fall River, MA

April 6, 2004

Re: [Wlug] WLUG IRC anywhere?

by Charles R. Anderson

On Mon, Apr 05, 2004 at 05:50:18PM -0400, Jeff Moyer wrote: > Chuck, you sit on irc channels by yourself? Doesn't that kind of defeat > the purpose? Or do you have bots to talk to? Yeah there is this one called Eliza...you should talk to it sometime...

April 5, 2004

Re: [Wlug] WLUG IRC anywhere?

by Jeff Moyer

==> Regarding Re: [Wlug] WLUG IRC anywhere?; "Charles R. Anderson" <cra(a)WPI.EDU> adds: cra> On Fri, Apr 02, 2004 at 05:20:56PM -0500, Bob George wrote: >> Just wondering if there's a WLUG IRC channel or similar about? cra> irc.freenode.net >> wlug cra> I discovered this about a year ago, and it was being (rarely) used by cra> the Western Linux Users Group: cra> http://www.westernlug.org cra> There hasn't been any activity on the channel, and I have been its cra> only joined member for many many months now. I say we start using it Chuck, you sit on irc channels by yourself? Doesn't that kind of defeat the purpose? Or do you have bots to talk to? ;-P -phro

April 5, 2004

Re: [Wlug] WLUG IRC anywhere?

by Charles R. Anderson

On Fri, Apr 02, 2004 at 05:20:56PM -0500, Bob George wrote: > Just wondering if there's a WLUG IRC channel or similar about? irc.freenode.net #wlug I discovered this about a year ago, and it was being (rarely) used by the Western Linux Users Group: http://www.westernlug.org There hasn't been any activity on the channel, and I have been its only joined member for many many months now. I say we start using it for ourselves :) Seriously, if there is enough interest I can ask these folks to give us control over the channel....

April 2, 2004

Re: [Wlug] question

by Charles R. Anderson

On Fri, Apr 02, 2004 at 10:53:16AM -0500, Charles R. Anderson wrote: > On Mon, Jul 23, 2012 at 03:21:32PM -0400, John Sawyer wrote: > > not sure if ive asked this, but i am unsure of how to uninstall > > something taht i have compiled in, such as gaim, through a .tar.gz ... Timewarp! This question was originally asked on October 24, 2000, but the OP had their clock set to July 23, 2012 so when I sorted my folder by date I thought it was new...

April 2, 2004

WLUG IRC anywhere?

by Bob George

Just wondering if there's a WLUG IRC channel or similar about? - Bob

April 2, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Re: High-speed access questions

by John Stoffel

Bob> John Stoffel wrote: >> [...] >> Charter just dropped my bill by $10/month for the next three months to >> raise my data rate to 2M/256k? Not sure about the second number, I >> just know I tend to get over 200kb/s on debian package downloads now, >> which is a nice upgrade from 70-80kb/s I used to get. I'm in Boylston. Bob> Oooh, ya know it *seemed* to be clocking faster the other night, Bob> but I thought it was just a fluke. Need to re-test. If you power cycle your cable modem (leave it off for five minutes if you can), it should update. Bob> Did they officially notify you? And what's this about a rate Bob> drop? Yeah, they called out of the blue looking to get me to got the Digital Cable package. I balked and asked if they could just upgrade my Cable Modem speed, which they said yes too. Funny how that works. I wonder if I hadn't done anything but power cycle the unit, would I have gotten the faster speed? As it is, my rate drops for just a quick power cycle. *shrug*

April 2, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Re: High-speed access questions

by Bill Smith

On Fri, 2 Apr 2004 15:29:12 -0500 "John Stoffel" <stoffel(a)lucent.com> wrote: > > Bob> I went with Charter because it was quick and easy, and we were > Bob> going to get cable TV from them anyhow. I don't think there are > Bob> any other cable options in my area (Grafton). It's fine, but I do > Bob> miss the 3M/256K that Cox had in Phoenix. > > Charter just dropped my bill by $10/month for the next three months to > raise my data rate to 2M/256k? Not sure about the second number, I > just know I tend to get over 200kb/s on debian package downloads now, > which is a nice upgrade from 70-80kb/s I used to get. I'm in Boylston. I'm in Fall River... i FINALLY upgraded to broadband through Comcast. I get something like 3M/256k. It'll be a while before the novelty wears off, i think. :D This is a weclome change to the 31.2k modem connection i've had for the last three years or so. -- William Smith wsmith(a)chezsmith.com Fall River, MA

April 2, 2004

Re: High-speed access questions

by Bob George

John Stoffel wrote: > [...] > Charter just dropped my bill by $10/month for the next three months to > raise my data rate to 2M/256k? Not sure about the second number, I > just know I tend to get over 200kb/s on debian package downloads now, > which is a nice upgrade from 70-80kb/s I used to get. I'm in Boylston. Oooh, ya know it *seemed* to be clocking faster the other night, but I thought it was just a fluke. Need to re-test. Did they officially notify you? And what's this about a rate drop? - Bob

April 2, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Re: High-speed access questions

by John Stoffel

Bob> I went with Charter because it was quick and easy, and we were Bob> going to get cable TV from them anyhow. I don't think there are Bob> any other cable options in my area (Grafton). It's fine, but I do Bob> miss the 3M/256K that Cox had in Phoenix. Charter just dropped my bill by $10/month for the next three months to raise my data rate to 2M/256k? Not sure about the second number, I just know I tend to get over 200kb/s on debian package downloads now, which is a nice upgrade from 70-80kb/s I used to get. I'm in Boylston.

April 2, 2004

RE: [Wlug] question

by Martin, Eric

Whereis is a good commmand for that. Do whereis netscape Or whereis netscapex (with your version number. Finds binary, man stuff, etc for files..check man whereis for more info Eric -----Original Message----- From: Charles R. Anderson [mailto:cra@WPI.EDU] Sent: Friday, April 02, 2004 10:53 AM To: wlug(a)wlug.org Subject: Re: [Wlug] question On Mon, Jul 23, 2012 at 03:21:32PM -0400, John Sawyer wrote: > not sure if ive asked this, but i am unsure of how to uninstall > something taht i have compiled in, such as gaim, through a .tar.gz > ext... i also want to uninstall netscape, i downloaded the newest ver > but it gives me crap about somethingapp being in the dir already, any > ideas? You usually have to just find all the files and delete them. When you install stuff by compiling tar.gz yourself, there is usually no package management for easy uninstallation. Netscape probably installed to /usr/local/netscape* or something like that. _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

April 2, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Re: High-speed access questions

by Josh Huber

Bob George <mailings02(a)ttlexceeded.com> writes: > I went with Charter because it was quick and easy, and we were going > to get cable TV from them anyhow. I don't think there are any other > cable options in my area (Grafton). It's fine, but I do miss the > 3M/256K that Cox had in Phoenix. Yeah, I guess RCN is only available in the Boston area? I've got a 5M/800K connection...which is...pretty nice :) -- Josh Huber

April 2, 2004

Re: High-speed access questions

by Bob George

Dwight A. Ernest wrote: > [...] > Too bad RCN doesn't offer cable anywhere near Worcester. I went with Charter because it was quick and easy, and we were going to get cable TV from them anyhow. I don't think there are any other cable options in my area (Grafton). It's fine, but I do miss the 3M/256K that Cox had in Phoenix. > (I used to be the Director of Internet Implementation, among other > things, for RCN. They laid me off 10/31/03.) Ow, sorry to hear that. Things're improving I guess, but still not "rosy." - Bob

April 2, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Re: Good HowTo

by Josh Huber

Bob George <mailings02(a)ttlexceeded.com> writes: > Ah, OK. Like I said, "I don't know qmail!" :) > > So it's tcpwrappers with ability to redirect to other hosts as well, eh? It's more like a replacement for inetd which (DJB claims) does not suck. -- Josh Huber

April 2, 2004

Re: Good HowTo

by Bob George

Chuck Homic wrote: > [...] > I hate to be Mr. Obvious, but... tcpserver is how qmail listens on the > network. tcpserver waits on port 25 and spawns qmail-smtpd when a > connection is made. Ah, OK. Like I said, "I don't know qmail!" :) So it's tcpwrappers with ability to redirect to other hosts as well, eh? - Bob

April 2, 2004

ACM Installfest reminder

by Ryan Caron

The ACM is having an Installfest this Sunday in Higgins Lab 116 from 3 to 7 PM. If you have any questions please feel free to email me or the officers list at acm(a)wpi.edu Sincerely, Ryan Caron ACM Secretary

April 2, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Re: High-speed access questions

by Dwight A. Ernest

Josh Huber wrote: > Bob George <mailings02(a)ttlexceeded.com> writes: > It was pretty amusing when the RCN guys came to install my cable > line. One of them seemed to have some knowledge about Linux, even! > The laptop I had for testing the line was a old powerbook running > Debian, in console mode no less. The guy tried to run some kind of > netconfig utility, which of course wasn't there, but he did check the > hardware address with ifconfig and test the connection with ping. > > I used to have speakeasy, and I really miss having several static > ips, and quality tech support. (also, the connection was rock solid > for a year). > > I was pretty apprehensive about moving to a cable provider (my CO is > crippled), but I went with RCN. Much to my surprise, the connection > has been up for some 6 months without a single (known) outage. They > let you pay them for a static IP address even. (and, when you pay for > a static IP they disable all inbound/outbound port filtering) > Too bad RCN doesn't offer cable anywhere near Worcester. (I used to be the Director of Internet Implementation, among other things, for RCN. They laid me off 10/31/03.) -- Dwight A. Ernest, dwight at significant dot com GPG key A6999567 Cell: +1-508-523-1416 FAX: +1-978-405-2504 YIM: dwight_ernest RHCE #803004293310030 http://significant.com/~dwight/ KA2CNN Papa, partner, pilot, net geek, sysadmin, consultant, cohouser.

April 2, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Re: Good HowTo

by Chuck Homic

On Fri, Apr 02, 2004 at 10:16:31AM -0500, Bob George wrote: > tcpserver looks interesting, but I don't understand how you envision > using it. I hate to be Mr. Obvious, but... tcpserver is how qmail listens on the network. tcpserver waits on port 25 and spawns qmail-smtpd when a connection is made. -Chuck

April 2, 2004

64 bit architechture

by David Goss

Greetings all; Sorry i've not been able to attend the meetings in a while... still trying to get past some health problems... can any one tell me which kernel version would be suitable for a machine with 64 bit architechture? thanx in advance dave goss assimulation is futile

April 2, 2004

Re: [Wlug] question

by Charles R. Anderson

On Mon, Jul 23, 2012 at 03:21:32PM -0400, John Sawyer wrote: > not sure if ive asked this, but i am unsure of how to uninstall > something taht i have compiled in, such as gaim, through a .tar.gz > ext... i also want to uninstall netscape, i downloaded the newest ver > but it gives me crap about somethingapp being in the dir already, any > ideas? You usually have to just find all the files and delete them. When you install stuff by compiling tar.gz yourself, there is usually no package management for easy uninstallation. Netscape probably installed to /usr/local/netscape* or something like that.

April 2, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Re: High-speed access questions

by Josh Huber

Bob George <mailings02(a)ttlexceeded.com> writes: > When the charter tech first showed up at the house (Grafton), I had > NO computers, nor my cable modem out of boxes. He "set it up" and > left. I had to call someone out when I had the teledyne cable modem > unpacked, but he used his laptop for everything. After that, my > Linux box (debian sarge/testing) came up just fine. It was pretty amusing when the RCN guys came to install my cable line. One of them seemed to have some knowledge about Linux, even! The laptop I had for testing the line was a old powerbook running Debian, in console mode no less. The guy tried to run some kind of netconfig utility, which of course wasn't there, but he did check the hardware address with ifconfig and test the connection with ping. I used to have speakeasy, and I really miss having several static ips, and quality tech support. (also, the connection was rock solid for a year). I was pretty apprehensive about moving to a cable provider (my CO is crippled), but I went with RCN. Much to my surprise, the connection has been up for some 6 months without a single (known) outage. They let you pay them for a static IP address even. (and, when you pay for a static IP they disable all inbound/outbound port filtering) -- Josh Huber

April 2, 2004

Re: RedHat 9 Network Problem

by Bob George

Joel J. Young wrote: > Well, I got the network working. Don't know what all happened, but I > uninstalled the network card, rebooted, then reinstalled it again. DHCP > is now working properly. Thanks for the help I always power down my cable modem when doing changes like that. Not sure what you're using, but if it's anything external, that generally helps "register" the new NIC. Cox in Phoenix always said to leave the cable modem unplugged for 1/2 hour. I suspect that was more so people wouldn't bug them. :) - Bob

April 2, 2004

Re: messages awaiting moderator approval - Suspicious Head

by Bob George

Joel Young wrote: > I keep getting my messages being held up for moderator approval due to a > suspicious header. Anyone know why this might be? I'd like to get this > solved, and I'm sure the moderator doesn't want to keep approving my > messages. Stupid question perhaps, but is joel_at_jyng.com the address you subscribed with? I use several addressses for varying purposes, and to fat-finger the From: once in a while. Other than that, does it say WHAT header was suspicious? - Bob

April 2, 2004

Re: High-speed access questions

by Bob George

Brian J. Conway wrote: > Just to clarify, I was referring only to initially registering your cable > modem in their system, which is the hard part. After that, you can > connect any OS you want as long as it has a working ethernet card and > speaks DHCP. When the charter tech first showed up at the house (Grafton), I had NO computers, nor my cable modem out of boxes. He "set it up" and left. I had to call someone out when I had the teledyne cable modem unpacked, but he used his laptop for everything. After that, my Linux box (debian sarge/testing) came up just fine. In general though, I try to be around when techs come out, and have my work laptop handy. If they seem like they'll gripe about linux or a home network behind the modem, I just say all the computers are for "the kids to play on", and that "only daddy uses his work computer for the cable modem." Kids are great. Blame everything on them. - Bob

April 2, 2004

Re: Good HowTo

by Bob George

Pete Wason wrote: > [...] I've been planning on replacing sendmail (which I'm not using > anyway) on my rh8 system with tcpserver/qmail, in an attempt to > divorce myself from my vhost which I no longer use for vhosting, but > still get all my email through (and pay $20/m for!). I thought about going with a vhosting setup for "the control", but work keeps me busy enough as of late, so my lil' $2 mail/web hosting setup is fine for now. It sounds like you've got two options: 1. Move to something similar, but cheaper. Go with a cheap outfit that'll host SMTP/POP for you, and set that as the MX for your domain. 2. Set up a mail server at home (off your cable modem) and hope that your provider doesn't changes ToS on you when you're out of town for a week with no connectivity. :) > I'm running dynamic over cable using everydns, btw. -- I set up my domain with dyndns.org using their "customdns" a bit over 1 1/2 years ago, and have been very happy. I point www and MX at the hosting outfit with a typical TTL, and my dynamic addresses using a shorter TTL. If I'm changing providers or hosting outfits, I just need to remember to set the TTLs shorter prior to the cutover. I've done it twice now, and it's worked very well. > I assume you might have the same general advice for me... In terms of hosting "important" stuff offsite, yeah. Again, really a matter of personal priorities. I am into network stuff, so wouldn't want to cop out and buy a Linksys router, but I have no problem shoving email stuff (which I don't find as sexy) to someone else to handle for me for a few bucks. > [Again, if there's anyone near Sutton who feels like stopping by and > putting me out of my "misery", you're welcome to do so...] I don't know qmail, but have heard good things about it. I use postfix myself, and it has no problems handling local requirements for my two domains, simply using fetchmail to poll my hosted mail via POP3. tcpserver looks interesting, but I don't understand how you envision using it. It will depend on what you decide to host offsite. My "real" presence is my hosted setup. I have a couple of dyndns entries for my home systems, with the linux router/firewall redirecting things internally. Do you still plan to have smtp/MX hosted offsite? - Bob

April 2, 2004

RE: [Wlug] RedHat 9 Network Problem

by Joel J. Young

Well, I got the network working. Don't know what all happened, but I uninstalled the network card, rebooted, then reinstalled it again. DHCP is now working properly. Thanks for the help

April 2, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Re: High-speed access questions

by Brian J. Conway

Just to clarify, I was referring only to initially registering your cable modem in their system, which is the hard part. After that, you can connect any OS you want as long as it has a working ethernet card and speaks DHCP. -b > Brian, > > I am running Mandrake 9.2 and Win2K on a Dell Dimension in dual boot > mode. Have used Win2K on a Comcast cable connection for 5 months. > Comcast installer told me that they assumed I would be connecting with > Windoze and Internet Explorer, which I did. But... > > I have since installed Mandrake 9.2. Installation was effortless and > most importantly for this discussion, Mandrake found and connected with > the cable modem on the LAN with no problem. I now use 9.2 and Galeon or > Mozilla to surf the web. > > I share the LAN connection, without incident or effort, with my wife's > XP Pro machine. > > > Dan Crooks > wlug(a)dancro.net

April 1, 2004

Re: [Wlug] messages awaiting moderator approval - Suspicious Head

by Brian J. Conway

> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.3416 Found it. ;-) Brian J. Conway bconway(a)alum.wpi.edu "LINUX is obsolete" - Andrew S. Tanenbaum, creator of Minix - Jan 29, 1992

April 1, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Re: Good HowTo

by Pete Wason

Bob George wrote: [8< snip 8=] > I run my own linux firewall, but I can understand why some folks prefer > to by an appliance. I host my mail server off-site, but have done the > "studly mail admin" bit as well. Just a question of trade-offs for a > home/hobby system, and how much time you want to spend on it. > Bob - I've been planning on replacing sendmail (which I'm not using anyway) on my rh8 system with tcpserver/qmail, in an attempt to divorce myself from my vhost which I no longer use for vhosting, but still get all my email through (and pay $20/m for!). I'm running dynamic over cable using everydns, btw. -- I assume you might have the same general advice for me... [Again, if there's anyone near Sutton who feels like stopping by and putting me out of my "misery", you're welcome to do so...] Pete

April 1, 2004

Re: [Wlug] RedHat 9 Network Problem

by Chuck Homic

On Thu, Apr 01, 2004 at 12:07:28AM -0500, Joel J. Young wrote: > Here it is: > eth0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr FF:FF:FF:FF:FF:FF > UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 > RX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:2490342 overruns:0 frame:0 > TX packets:0 errors:3 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 > collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000 > RX bytes:0 (0.0 b) TX bytes:0 (0.0 b) > Interrupt:9 Adding my voice to the chorus.... :) Is it a PCI or ISA network device? Usually when I see FF:FF... it's when my ISA NIC is using the wrong IRQ, or the interrupt is conflicting with another device. So when the OS asks the NIC what the HWaddr is, it can't respond. -Chuck

April 1, 2004

Re: [Wlug] RedHat 9 Network Problem

by Charles R. Anderson

On Thu, Apr 01, 2004 at 09:34:38AM -0500, Martin, Eric wrote: > Also, you might want to remove the HARDWARE line from that file. It should > just use the mac from your network card. Maybe the router doesn't want to > assign FF:FF:FF...a mac address? The HWADDR line just matches up the given mac address to an interface name (eth0) so the system will configure the correct NIC when there is more than one. It can be safely removed in most cases, especially when there is only one NIC in the system. You can't work with an all FF mac address, since that represents the broadcast address in Ethernet. Something is wrong with the ethernet card, or the driver isn't supporting the card properly. Right after booting up Linux, get this output: dmesg | grep eth It should show the ethernet card driver being loaded.

April 1, 2004

RE: [Wlug] RedHat 9 Network Problem

by Martin, Eric

Also, you might want to remove the HARDWARE line from that file. It should just use the mac from your network card. Maybe the router doesn't want to assign FF:FF:FF...a mac address? Eric -----Original Message----- From: Joel J. Young [mailto:joel@jyng.com] Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 9:23 AM To: 'Worcester Linux Users Group' Subject: RE: [Wlug] RedHat 9 Network Problem I tried using both static and dynamic IPs. Neigther worked. It's possible there's remnants of that testing left. Everything on my local network is in the 192.168.0.x address space. No, I changed the address of the router back to the default, which is 192.168.0.1 -----Original Message----- From: wlug-bounces(a)mail.wlug.org [mailto:wlug-bounces@mail.wlug.org] On Behalf Of Martin, Eric Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 8:47 AM To: 'Worcester Linux Users Group' Subject: RE: [Wlug] RedHat 9 Network Problem I haven't worked with RH for a while, bu you have both dhcp and a hardcoded address here. Also, there's your problem, if I'm reading this right. You're set to 192.168.0.2 with a 255.255.255.0 mask. That means you can only see 192.168.0.x machines, and your router is 192.168.1.x, right? -----Original Message----- From: Joel J. Young [mailto:joel@jyng.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2004 10:26 PM To: Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org Subject: [Wlug] RedHat 9 Network Problem Here are the requested files: Ifcfg-eth0: # Lite-On|LNE100TX DEVICE=eth0 ONBOOT=yes ** BOOTPROTO=dhcp ** HWADDR=FF:FF:FF:FF:FF:FF USERCTL=no PEERDNS=yes TYPE=Ethernet ** NETMASK=255.255.255.0 ** IPADDR=192.168.0.2 GATEWAY=192.168.0.1 Modules.conf: alias usb-controller usb-uhci alias sound-slot-0 emu10k1 post-install sound-slot-0 /bin/aumix-minimal -f /etc/.aumixrc -L >/dev/null 2>&1 || : pre-remove sound-slot-0 /bin/aumix-minimal -f /etc/.aumixrc -S >/dev/null 2>&1 || : alias eth0 tulip network: NETWORKING=yes HOSTNAME= Output of /sbin/lspci -vv - Non network devices removed to pass 40k post filter 00:0d.0 Ethernet controller: Lite-On Communications Inc LNE100TX (rev 20) Subsystem: Lite-On Communications Inc LNE100TX Control: I/O- Mem- BusMaster+ SpecCycle- MemWINV- VGASnoop- ParErr- Stepping- SERR- FastB2B- Status: Cap- 66Mhz- UDF- FastB2B+ ParErr- DEVSEL=medium >TAbort- <TAbort- <MAbort- >SERR- <PERR+ Latency: 32 Interrupt: pin A routed to IRQ 9 Region 0: I/O ports at 8800 [disabled] [size=256] Region 1: Memory at d5800000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [disabled] [size=256] Expansion ROM at <unassigned> [disabled] [size=256K] ...... -----Original Message----- From: wlug-bounces(a)mail.wlug.org [mailto:wlug-bounces@mail.wlug.org <mailto:wlug-bounces@mail.wlug.org> ] On Behalf Of Charles R. Anderson Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2004 10:21 AM To: Worcester Linux Users Group Subject: Re: [Wlug] RedHat 9 Network Problem On Tue, Mar 30, 2004 at 10:13:15AM -0500, Dwight A. Ernest wrote: > Include your /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth0 and your > /etc/sysconfig/network files in an email so we can see what they look like. Also include /etc/modules.conf and the Ethernet card entry from the "/sbin/lspci -vv" output. _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug <http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug>

April 1, 2004

RE: [Wlug] RedHat 9 Network Problem

by Joel J. Young

I tried using both static and dynamic IPs. Neigther worked. It's possible there's remnants of that testing left. Everything on my local network is in the 192.168.0.x address space. No, I changed the address of the router back to the default, which is 192.168.0.1 -----Original Message----- From: wlug-bounces(a)mail.wlug.org [mailto:wlug-bounces@mail.wlug.org] On Behalf Of Martin, Eric Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 8:47 AM To: 'Worcester Linux Users Group' Subject: RE: [Wlug] RedHat 9 Network Problem I haven't worked with RH for a while, bu you have both dhcp and a hardcoded address here. Also, there's your problem, if I'm reading this right. You're set to 192.168.0.2 with a 255.255.255.0 mask. That means you can only see 192.168.0.x machines, and your router is 192.168.1.x, right? -----Original Message----- From: Joel J. Young [mailto:joel@jyng.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2004 10:26 PM To: Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org Subject: [Wlug] RedHat 9 Network Problem Here are the requested files: Ifcfg-eth0: # Lite-On|LNE100TX DEVICE=eth0 ONBOOT=yes ** BOOTPROTO=dhcp ** HWADDR=FF:FF:FF:FF:FF:FF USERCTL=no PEERDNS=yes TYPE=Ethernet ** NETMASK=255.255.255.0 ** IPADDR=192.168.0.2 GATEWAY=192.168.0.1 Modules.conf: alias usb-controller usb-uhci alias sound-slot-0 emu10k1 post-install sound-slot-0 /bin/aumix-minimal -f /etc/.aumixrc -L >/dev/null 2>&1 || : pre-remove sound-slot-0 /bin/aumix-minimal -f /etc/.aumixrc -S >/dev/null 2>&1 || : alias eth0 tulip network: NETWORKING=yes HOSTNAME= Output of /sbin/lspci -vv - Non network devices removed to pass 40k post filter 00:0d.0 Ethernet controller: Lite-On Communications Inc LNE100TX (rev 20) Subsystem: Lite-On Communications Inc LNE100TX Control: I/O- Mem- BusMaster+ SpecCycle- MemWINV- VGASnoop- ParErr- Stepping- SERR- FastB2B- Status: Cap- 66Mhz- UDF- FastB2B+ ParErr- DEVSEL=medium >TAbort- <TAbort- <MAbort- >SERR- <PERR+ Latency: 32 Interrupt: pin A routed to IRQ 9 Region 0: I/O ports at 8800 [disabled] [size=256] Region 1: Memory at d5800000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [disabled] [size=256] Expansion ROM at <unassigned> [disabled] [size=256K] ...... -----Original Message----- From: wlug-bounces(a)mail.wlug.org [mailto:wlug-bounces@mail.wlug.org] On Behalf Of Charles R. Anderson Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2004 10:21 AM To: Worcester Linux Users Group Subject: Re: [Wlug] RedHat 9 Network Problem On Tue, Mar 30, 2004 at 10:13:15AM -0500, Dwight A. Ernest wrote: > Include your /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth0 and your > /etc/sysconfig/network files in an email so we can see what they look like. Also include /etc/modules.conf and the Ethernet card entry from the "/sbin/lspci -vv" output. _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

April 1, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Looking for a used power supply

by Bill Mills-Curran

On Wed, Mar 31, 2004 at 03:04:48PM -0500, Mike Peckar wrote: > ATX - in a connector with two rows of 10. My motherboard doesn't have the > single row connector pictured in the link you sent, but the one just below > that... > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug Mike, I might have a new one in the box, riding around in my wife's car. I'll try to remember to look tonight. Bill

April 1, 2004

RE: [Wlug] RedHat 9 Network Problem

by Martin, Eric

MAC filter maybe? -----Original Message----- From: Joel J. Young [mailto:joel@jyng.com] Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 12:07 AM To: 'Worcester Linux Users Group' Subject: RE: [Wlug] RedHat 9 Network Problem Here it is: eth0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr FF:FF:FF:FF:FF:FF UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 RX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:2490342 overruns:0 frame:0 TX packets:0 errors:3 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000 RX bytes:0 (0.0 b) TX bytes:0 (0.0 b) Interrupt:9 I'm suspicious about the HWaddr too, but I don't know why it wouldn't be picking up the MAC address. > -----Original Message----- > From: wlug-bounces(a)mail.wlug.org > [mailto:wlug-bounces@mail.wlug.org] On Behalf Of Charles R. Anderson > Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2004 10:41 PM > To: Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > Subject: Re: [Wlug] RedHat 9 Network Problem > > > On Wed, Mar 31, 2004 at 10:25:53PM -0500, Joel J. Young wrote: > > # Lite-On|LNE100TX > > DEVICE=eth0 > > ONBOOT=yes > > BOOTPROTO=dhcp > > HWADDR=FF:FF:FF:FF:FF:FF > > The HWADDR here looks wrong. Can you post the output of: > > /sbin/ifconfig eth0 > > The HWaddr listed there should be what you set HWADDR= to in > ifcfg-eth0. > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

April 1, 2004

RE: [Wlug] High-speed access questions

by Martin, Eric

Its TCP/IP. No software needed. Your linux box and XP box will get to the router the same way, via TCP/Ip, just like if you were plugged into your work network. Set your router to DHCP, set your clients to DHCP, and enjoy the bandwidth. Eric -----Original Message----- From: Gregory Avedissian [mailto:avedis@rcn.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2004 7:51 PM To: douglas.waud(a)umassmed.edu; Worcester Linux Users Group Subject: Re: [Wlug] High-speed access questions Thanks to all who answered on this one. I called Verizon to ask them about linux, and the person I spoke to had never heard of it. He did manage to spell it right the first time, put me on hold and went to talk to someone else who said that it does work. I also switched my phone plan, and I'm saving $5/month on the DSL and another $5/month on my long distance. I probably will have questions about this when I try to set it up. This will be my first attempt at networking. OK, I thought of one already. I'm running linux, and housemate is running XP. Will each OS just deal with the router, or do I need special software to interact with a windows box? Greg doug waud wrote: > Hi > > Gregory Avedissian wrote: > >> It seems like most of the providers say that you need windows or mac >> to use their DSL or cable internet. Does this just mean they won't >> offer tech support for linux, or does it mean that it won't work? I'm >> planning on using a router and having two computers connected. > > > I have dealt with 3 cable companies. > > The first, the local Shrewsbury Cable company wanted a Windows box so > their installer could prove/test that the system was working. This is a > reasonable position; if you don't draw the line tightly you'll end up > dealing with the customer-from-hell and just run up expenses. > Incidentally, the guy who came to my house played with Linux at home so > the atmosphere was cordial but beside the point since I had a windows > notebook for the initial test (and then just reconnected cables once he > was out the door. > > The second was for my daughter in Southboro. There the cable was > Charter. Again, I just had a windows notebook available in the cellar > where the cable came in and the cable modem would lie. As with the > Shrewsbury cable company the service guy just wanted to confirm that the > signal was working and again, I just reconnected cables once he was out > the door. > > The third was Adelphia up at our cottage in NH. This time I did not > get > to the notebook stage. I just looked over the service man's shoulder > while he installed the signal separator (ethernet/tv) and waved goodbye. > I then ran a cable into the house to the cable modem (this time I bought > it; cheaper route) and from there to a firewall/router. > > In all cases most computers are running Linux (my wife still has a > Windows box for games) and all work fine. Once the signal gets out of > the cable modem to your router, the os of the connected computers will > make no difference. > > I cannot comment on phone help from any of the three companies since I > have never needed it. I would not expect them to deal with Linux since > that would not be cost-effective. On the other hand, this list is an > alternative that will trump a low paid telephone responder any time :-) > > Get the modem in (and have a windows machine available) and then > connect > your router and see if you can ping the router etc. If you run into a > problem get in touch with the list (or me directly if you wish). > > doug > > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

April 1, 2004

RE: [Wlug] RedHat 9 Network Problem

by Martin, Eric

I haven't worked with RH for a while, bu you have both dhcp and a hardcoded address here. Also, there's your problem, if I'm reading this right. You're set to 192.168.0.2 with a 255.255.255.0 mask. That means you can only see 192.168.0.x machines, and your router is 192.168.1.x, right? -----Original Message----- From: Joel J. Young [mailto:joel@jyng.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2004 10:26 PM To: Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org Subject: [Wlug] RedHat 9 Network Problem Here are the requested files: Ifcfg-eth0: # Lite-On|LNE100TX DEVICE=eth0 ONBOOT=yes ** BOOTPROTO=dhcp ** HWADDR=FF:FF:FF:FF:FF:FF USERCTL=no PEERDNS=yes TYPE=Ethernet ** NETMASK=255.255.255.0 ** IPADDR=192.168.0.2 GATEWAY=192.168.0.1 Modules.conf: alias usb-controller usb-uhci alias sound-slot-0 emu10k1 post-install sound-slot-0 /bin/aumix-minimal -f /etc/.aumixrc -L >/dev/null 2>&1 || : pre-remove sound-slot-0 /bin/aumix-minimal -f /etc/.aumixrc -S >/dev/null 2>&1 || : alias eth0 tulip network: NETWORKING=yes HOSTNAME= Output of /sbin/lspci -vv - Non network devices removed to pass 40k post filter 00:0d.0 Ethernet controller: Lite-On Communications Inc LNE100TX (rev 20) Subsystem: Lite-On Communications Inc LNE100TX Control: I/O- Mem- BusMaster+ SpecCycle- MemWINV- VGASnoop- ParErr- Stepping- SERR- FastB2B- Status: Cap- 66Mhz- UDF- FastB2B+ ParErr- DEVSEL=medium >TAbort- <TAbort- <MAbort- >SERR- <PERR+ Latency: 32 Interrupt: pin A routed to IRQ 9 Region 0: I/O ports at 8800 [disabled] [size=256] Region 1: Memory at d5800000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [disabled] [size=256] Expansion ROM at <unassigned> [disabled] [size=256K] ...... -----Original Message----- From: wlug-bounces(a)mail.wlug.org [mailto:wlug-bounces@mail.wlug.org <mailto:wlug-bounces@mail.wlug.org> ] On Behalf Of Charles R. Anderson Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2004 10:21 AM To: Worcester Linux Users Group Subject: Re: [Wlug] RedHat 9 Network Problem On Tue, Mar 30, 2004 at 10:13:15AM -0500, Dwight A. Ernest wrote: > Include your /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth0 and your > /etc/sysconfig/network files in an email so we can see what they look like. Also include /etc/modules.conf and the Ethernet card entry from the "/sbin/lspci -vv" output. _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug <http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug>

April 1, 2004

RE: [Wlug] High-speed access questions

by Martin, Eric

One thing, Remember to reboot your brigde (cable modem) after you install the router. It attatches to the mac address of what it's plugged into, and you need to reboot to have it grab the MAC of your router. Eric -----Original Message----- From: doug waud [mailto:douglas.waud@umassmed.edu] Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2004 6:53 PM To: Worcester Linux Users Group Subject: Re: [Wlug] High-speed access questions Hi Gregory Avedissian wrote: > It seems like most of the providers say that you need windows or mac > to > use their DSL or cable internet. Does this just mean they won't offer > tech support for linux, or does it mean that it won't work? I'm planning > on using a router and having two computers connected. I have dealt with 3 cable companies. The first, the local Shrewsbury Cable company wanted a Windows box so their installer could prove/test that the system was working. This is a reasonable position; if you don't draw the line tightly you'll end up dealing with the customer-from-hell and just run up expenses. Incidentally, the guy who came to my house played with Linux at home so the atmosphere was cordial but beside the point since I had a windows notebook for the initial test (and then just reconnected cables once he was out the door. The second was for my daughter in Southboro. There the cable was Charter. Again, I just had a windows notebook available in the cellar where the cable came in and the cable modem would lie. As with the Shrewsbury cable company the service guy just wanted to confirm that the signal was working and again, I just reconnected cables once he was out the door. The third was Adelphia up at our cottage in NH. This time I did not get to the notebook stage. I just looked over the service man's shoulder while he installed the signal separator (ethernet/tv) and waved goodbye. I then ran a cable into the house to the cable modem (this time I bought it; cheaper route) and from there to a firewall/router. In all cases most computers are running Linux (my wife still has a Windows box for games) and all work fine. Once the signal gets out of the cable modem to your router, the os of the connected computers will make no difference. I cannot comment on phone help from any of the three companies since I have never needed it. I would not expect them to deal with Linux since that would not be cost-effective. On the other hand, this list is an alternative that will trump a low paid telephone responder any time :-) Get the modem in (and have a windows machine available) and then connect your router and see if you can ping the router etc. If you run into a problem get in touch with the list (or me directly if you wish). doug _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

April 1, 2004

Re: High-speed access questions

by dancro.net＠comcast.net

Note to moderator - I am registered with email address wlug(a)dancro.net but have email forwarded to this comcast account, from which I am sending this reply. Dan Crooks ------------------------------- Brian, I am running Mandrake 9.2 and Win2K on a Dell Dimension in dual boot mode. Have used Win2K on a Comcast cable connection for 5 months. Comcast installer told me that they assumed I would be connecting with Windoze and Internet Explorer, which I did. But... I have since installed Mandrake 9.2. Installation was effortless and most importantly for this discussion, Mandrake found and connected with the cable modem on the LAN with no problem. I now use 9.2 and Galeon or Mozilla to surf the web. I share the LAN connection, without incident or effort, with my wife's XP Pro machine. Dan Crooks wlug(a)dancro.net > Send Wlug mailing list submissions to > wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > wlug-request(a)mail.wlug.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > wlug-owner(a)mail.wlug.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Wlug digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: High-speed access questions (Brian J. Conway) > 2. Re: High-speed access questions (Gregory Avedissian) > 3. Re: High-speed access questions (Mike Frysinger) > 4. RedHat 9 Network Problem (Joel J. Young) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 18:37:43 -0500 > From: "Brian J. Conway" <bconway(a)alum.wpi.edu> > Subject: Re: [Wlug] High-speed access questions > To: Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> > Message-ID: <20040331183743.0858c05e.bconway(a)alum.wpi.edu> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII > > Not true (entirely). What Comcast does now is direct all requests from an > unauthorized modem to a Comcast web page that you enter your info in and > it authorized the MAC address on your modem. Before that with AT&T > Broadband, I called up support, told them I had an unsupported OS and > asked them to enable my modem for use on their network. They asked for my > various information, and 5 minutes later, everything worked. > > But yes, using the Windows program was probably the easiest way. > Fortunately, now anyone with a browser can set things up. > > Brian > > On Wed, 31 Mar 2004 18:27:49 -0500 (EST) > gboyce(a)badbelly.com wrote: > > > On Wed, 31 Mar 2004, Gregory Avedissian wrote: > > > > > It seems like most of the providers say that you need windows or mac > > > to use their DSL or cable internet. Does this just mean they won't > > > offer tech support for linux, or does it mean that it won't work? I'm > > > planning on using a router and having two computers connected. > > > > When I signed up for a AT&T cable modem (before Comcast bought them), it > > > > was actually impossible to enable your cable modem from within Linux. > > There was a windows program to do the initial setup. After you get past > > > > that point, Linux would work with it fine. > > > > I luckily had a Windows partition on the machine at the time. > > > > I'm hoping that Comcast doesn't have this same problem for new users, > > but issues like that are a possibility. > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 19:50:56 -0500 > From: Gregory Avedissian <avedis(a)rcn.com> > Subject: Re: [Wlug] High-speed access questions > To: douglas.waud(a)umassmed.edu, Worcester Linux Users Group > <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> > Message-ID: <406B6770.1000401(a)rcn.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed > > Thanks to all who answered on this one. I called Verizon to ask them > about linux, and the person I spoke to had never heard of it. He did > manage to spell it right the first time, put me on hold and went to talk > to someone else who said that it does work. I also switched my phone > plan, and I'm saving $5/month on the DSL and another $5/month on my long > distance. > > I probably will have questions about this when I try to set it up. This > will be my first attempt at networking. OK, I thought of one already. > I'm running linux, and housemate is running XP. Will each OS just deal > with the router, or do I need special software to interact with a > windows box? > > Greg > > > doug waud wrote: > > Hi > > > > Gregory Avedissian wrote: > > > >> It seems like most of the providers say that you need windows or mac > >> to use their DSL or cable internet. Does this just mean they won't > >> offer tech support for linux, or does it mean that it won't work? I'm > >> planning on using a router and having two computers connected. > > > > > > I have dealt with 3 cable companies. > > > > The first, the local Shrewsbury Cable company wanted a Windows box so > > their installer could prove/test that the system was working. This is a > > reasonable position; if you don't draw the line tightly you'll end up > > dealing with the customer-from-hell and just run up expenses. > > Incidentally, the guy who came to my house played with Linux at home so > > the atmosphere was cordial but beside the point since I had a windows > > notebook for the initial test (and then just reconnected cables once he > > was out the door. > > > > The second was for my daughter in Southboro. There the cable was > > Charter. Again, I just had a windows notebook available in the cellar > > where the cable came in and the cable modem would lie. As with the > > Shrewsbury cable company the service guy just wanted to confirm that the > > signal was working and again, I just reconnected cables once he was out > > the door. > > > > The third was Adelphia up at our cottage in NH. This time I did not get > > to the notebook stage. I just looked over the service man's shoulder > > while he installed the signal separator (ethernet/tv) and waved goodbye. > > I then ran a cable into the house to the cable modem (this time I bought > > it; cheaper route) and from there to a firewall/router. > > > > In all cases most computers are running Linux (my wife still has a > > Windows box for games) and all work fine. Once the signal gets out of > > the cable modem to your router, the os of the connected computers will > > make no difference. > > > > I cannot comment on phone help from any of the three companies since I > > have never needed it. I would not expect them to deal with Linux since > > that would not be cost-effective. On the other hand, this list is an > > alternative that will trump a low paid telephone responder any time :-) > > > > Get the modem in (and have a windows machine available) and then connect > > your router and see if you can ping the router etc. If you run into a > > problem get in touch with the list (or me directly if you wish). > > > > doug > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wlug mailing list > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 20:07:53 -0500 > From: Mike Frysinger <vapier(a)gentoo.org> > Subject: Re: [Wlug] High-speed access questions > To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > Message-ID: <200403312007.53122.vapier(a)gentoo.org> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > On Wednesday 31 March 2004 07:50 pm, Gregory Avedissian wrote: > > I probably will have questions about this when I try to set it up. This > > will be my first attempt at networking. OK, I thought of one already. > > I'm running linux, and housemate is running XP. Will each OS just deal > > with the router, or do I need special software to interact with a > > windows box? > > nope ... just get a hub and plug all the machines into it (dont plug into the > Uplink port though :D) > > on the router, if you run dhcp / nat / dns and setup the dhcp to give out all > the right values, all the machines should know what to do > -mike > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 22:25:53 -0500 > From: "Joel J. Young" <joel(a)jyng.com> > Subject: [Wlug] RedHat 9 Network Problem > To: <Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> > Message-ID: <000501c41799$0a23ccd0$0400a8c0@PALEALE> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Here are the requested files: > > Ifcfg-eth0: > # Lite-On|LNE100TX > DEVICE=eth0 > ONBOOT=yes > BOOTPROTO=dhcp > HWADDR=FF:FF:FF:FF:FF:FF > USERCTL=no > PEERDNS=yes > TYPE=Ethernet > NETMASK=255.255.255.0 > IPADDR=192.168.0.2 > GATEWAY=192.168.0.1 > > > Modules.conf: > alias usb-controller usb-uhci > alias sound-slot-0 emu10k1 > post-install sound-slot-0 /bin/aumix-minimal -f /etc/.aumixrc -L > >/dev/null 2>&1 || : > pre-remove sound-slot-0 /bin/aumix-minimal -f /etc/.aumixrc -S > >/dev/null 2>&1 || : > alias eth0 tulip > > > network: > NETWORKING=yes > HOSTNAME= > > > Output of /sbin/lspci -vv - Non network devices removed to pass 40k > post filter > > 00:0d.0 Ethernet controller: Lite-On Communications Inc LNE100TX (rev > 20) > Subsystem: Lite-On Communications Inc LNE100TX > Control: I/O- Mem- BusMaster+ SpecCycle- MemWINV- VGASnoop- > ParErr- Stepping- SERR- FastB2B- > Status: Cap- 66Mhz- UDF- FastB2B+ ParErr- DEVSEL=medium >TAbort- > <TAbort- <MAbort- >SERR- <PERR+ > Latency: 32 > Interrupt: pin A routed to IRQ 9 > Region 0: I/O ports at 8800 [disabled] [size=256] > Region 1: Memory at d5800000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [disabled] > [size=256] > Expansion ROM at <unassigned> [disabled] [size=256K] > > ...... > > > -----Original Message----- > From: wlug-bounces(a)mail.wlug.org [mailto:wlug-bounces@mail.wlug.org] On > Behalf Of Charles R. Anderson > Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2004 10:21 AM > To: Worcester Linux Users Group > Subject: Re: [Wlug] RedHat 9 Network Problem > > > On Tue, Mar 30, 2004 at 10:13:15AM -0500, Dwight A. Ernest wrote: > > Include your /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth0 and your > > /etc/sysconfig/network files in an email so we can see what they look > like. > > Also include /etc/modules.conf and the Ethernet card entry from the > "/sbin/lspci -vv" output. > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > >

April 1, 2004

Re: [Wlug] RedHat 9 Network Problem

by Dwight A. Ernest

That's the key problem, I think. Until you debug that, you're not going to get anywhere. You might try specifying a non-all-ones (the address shown is all ones in binary) MAC address in an ifconfig conmmand and see what happens. Joel J. Young wrote: > Here it is: > eth0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr FF:FF:FF:FF:FF:FF > UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 > RX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:2490342 overruns:0 frame:0 > TX packets:0 errors:3 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 > collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000 > RX bytes:0 (0.0 b) TX bytes:0 (0.0 b) > Interrupt:9 > > I'm suspicious about the HWaddr too, but I don't know why it wouldn't be > picking up the MAC address. -- Dwight A. Ernest, dwight at significant dot com GPG key A6999567 Cell: +1-508-523-1416 FAX: +1-978-405-2504 YIM: dwight_ernest RHCE #803004293310030 http://significant.com/~dwight/ KA2CNN Papa, partner, pilot, net geek, sysadmin, consultant, cohouser.

April 1, 2004

RE: [Wlug] RedHat 9 Network Problem

by Joel J. Young

Here it is: eth0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr FF:FF:FF:FF:FF:FF UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 RX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:2490342 overruns:0 frame:0 TX packets:0 errors:3 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000 RX bytes:0 (0.0 b) TX bytes:0 (0.0 b) Interrupt:9 I'm suspicious about the HWaddr too, but I don't know why it wouldn't be picking up the MAC address. > -----Original Message----- > From: wlug-bounces(a)mail.wlug.org > [mailto:wlug-bounces@mail.wlug.org] On Behalf Of Charles R. Anderson > Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2004 10:41 PM > To: Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > Subject: Re: [Wlug] RedHat 9 Network Problem > > > On Wed, Mar 31, 2004 at 10:25:53PM -0500, Joel J. Young wrote: > > # Lite-On|LNE100TX > > DEVICE=eth0 > > ONBOOT=yes > > BOOTPROTO=dhcp > > HWADDR=FF:FF:FF:FF:FF:FF > > The HWADDR here looks wrong. Can you post the output of: > > /sbin/ifconfig eth0 > > The HWaddr listed there should be what you set HWADDR= to in > ifcfg-eth0. > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

April 1, 2004

Re: [Wlug] RedHat 9 Network Problem

by Charles R. Anderson

On Wed, Mar 31, 2004 at 10:25:53PM -0500, Joel J. Young wrote: > # Lite-On|LNE100TX > DEVICE=eth0 > ONBOOT=yes > BOOTPROTO=dhcp > HWADDR=FF:FF:FF:FF:FF:FF The HWADDR here looks wrong. Can you post the output of: /sbin/ifconfig eth0 The HWaddr listed there should be what you set HWADDR= to in ifcfg-eth0.

April 1, 2004

RedHat 9 Network Problem

by Joel J. Young

Here are the requested files: Ifcfg-eth0: # Lite-On|LNE100TX DEVICE=eth0 ONBOOT=yes BOOTPROTO=dhcp HWADDR=FF:FF:FF:FF:FF:FF USERCTL=no PEERDNS=yes TYPE=Ethernet NETMASK=255.255.255.0 IPADDR=192.168.0.2 GATEWAY=192.168.0.1 Modules.conf: alias usb-controller usb-uhci alias sound-slot-0 emu10k1 post-install sound-slot-0 /bin/aumix-minimal -f /etc/.aumixrc -L >/dev/null 2>&1 || : pre-remove sound-slot-0 /bin/aumix-minimal -f /etc/.aumixrc -S >/dev/null 2>&1 || : alias eth0 tulip network: NETWORKING=yes HOSTNAME= Output of /sbin/lspci -vv - Non network devices removed to pass 40k post filter 00:0d.0 Ethernet controller: Lite-On Communications Inc LNE100TX (rev 20) Subsystem: Lite-On Communications Inc LNE100TX Control: I/O- Mem- BusMaster+ SpecCycle- MemWINV- VGASnoop- ParErr- Stepping- SERR- FastB2B- Status: Cap- 66Mhz- UDF- FastB2B+ ParErr- DEVSEL=medium >TAbort- <TAbort- <MAbort- >SERR- <PERR+ Latency: 32 Interrupt: pin A routed to IRQ 9 Region 0: I/O ports at 8800 [disabled] [size=256] Region 1: Memory at d5800000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [disabled] [size=256] Expansion ROM at <unassigned> [disabled] [size=256K] ...... -----Original Message----- From: wlug-bounces(a)mail.wlug.org [mailto:wlug-bounces@mail.wlug.org] On Behalf Of Charles R. Anderson Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2004 10:21 AM To: Worcester Linux Users Group Subject: Re: [Wlug] RedHat 9 Network Problem On Tue, Mar 30, 2004 at 10:13:15AM -0500, Dwight A. Ernest wrote: > Include your /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth0 and your > /etc/sysconfig/network files in an email so we can see what they look like. Also include /etc/modules.conf and the Ethernet card entry from the "/sbin/lspci -vv" output. _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

April 1, 2004

Re: [Wlug] High-speed access questions

by Mike Frysinger

On Wednesday 31 March 2004 07:50 pm, Gregory Avedissian wrote: > I probably will have questions about this when I try to set it up. This > will be my first attempt at networking. OK, I thought of one already. > I'm running linux, and housemate is running XP. Will each OS just deal > with the router, or do I need special software to interact with a > windows box? nope ... just get a hub and plug all the machines into it (dont plug into the Uplink port though :D) on the router, if you run dhcp / nat / dns and setup the dhcp to give out all the right values, all the machines should know what to do -mike

April 1, 2004

Re: [Wlug] High-speed access questions

by Gregory Avedissian

Thanks to all who answered on this one. I called Verizon to ask them about linux, and the person I spoke to had never heard of it. He did manage to spell it right the first time, put me on hold and went to talk to someone else who said that it does work. I also switched my phone plan, and I'm saving $5/month on the DSL and another $5/month on my long distance. I probably will have questions about this when I try to set it up. This will be my first attempt at networking. OK, I thought of one already. I'm running linux, and housemate is running XP. Will each OS just deal with the router, or do I need special software to interact with a windows box? Greg doug waud wrote: > Hi > > Gregory Avedissian wrote: > >> It seems like most of the providers say that you need windows or mac >> to use their DSL or cable internet. Does this just mean they won't >> offer tech support for linux, or does it mean that it won't work? I'm >> planning on using a router and having two computers connected. > > > I have dealt with 3 cable companies. > > The first, the local Shrewsbury Cable company wanted a Windows box so > their installer could prove/test that the system was working. This is a > reasonable position; if you don't draw the line tightly you'll end up > dealing with the customer-from-hell and just run up expenses. > Incidentally, the guy who came to my house played with Linux at home so > the atmosphere was cordial but beside the point since I had a windows > notebook for the initial test (and then just reconnected cables once he > was out the door. > > The second was for my daughter in Southboro. There the cable was > Charter. Again, I just had a windows notebook available in the cellar > where the cable came in and the cable modem would lie. As with the > Shrewsbury cable company the service guy just wanted to confirm that the > signal was working and again, I just reconnected cables once he was out > the door. > > The third was Adelphia up at our cottage in NH. This time I did not get > to the notebook stage. I just looked over the service man's shoulder > while he installed the signal separator (ethernet/tv) and waved goodbye. > I then ran a cable into the house to the cable modem (this time I bought > it; cheaper route) and from there to a firewall/router. > > In all cases most computers are running Linux (my wife still has a > Windows box for games) and all work fine. Once the signal gets out of > the cable modem to your router, the os of the connected computers will > make no difference. > > I cannot comment on phone help from any of the three companies since I > have never needed it. I would not expect them to deal with Linux since > that would not be cost-effective. On the other hand, this list is an > alternative that will trump a low paid telephone responder any time :-) > > Get the modem in (and have a windows machine available) and then connect > your router and see if you can ping the router etc. If you run into a > problem get in touch with the list (or me directly if you wish). > > doug > > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > >

April 1, 2004

Re: [Wlug] High-speed access questions

by doug waud

Hi Gregory Avedissian wrote: > It seems like most of the providers say that you need windows or mac to > use their DSL or cable internet. Does this just mean they won't offer > tech support for linux, or does it mean that it won't work? I'm planning > on using a router and having two computers connected. I have dealt with 3 cable companies. The first, the local Shrewsbury Cable company wanted a Windows box so their installer could prove/test that the system was working. This is a reasonable position; if you don't draw the line tightly you'll end up dealing with the customer-from-hell and just run up expenses. Incidentally, the guy who came to my house played with Linux at home so the atmosphere was cordial but beside the point since I had a windows notebook for the initial test (and then just reconnected cables once he was out the door. The second was for my daughter in Southboro. There the cable was Charter. Again, I just had a windows notebook available in the cellar where the cable came in and the cable modem would lie. As with the Shrewsbury cable company the service guy just wanted to confirm that the signal was working and again, I just reconnected cables once he was out the door. The third was Adelphia up at our cottage in NH. This time I did not get to the notebook stage. I just looked over the service man's shoulder while he installed the signal separator (ethernet/tv) and waved goodbye. I then ran a cable into the house to the cable modem (this time I bought it; cheaper route) and from there to a firewall/router. In all cases most computers are running Linux (my wife still has a Windows box for games) and all work fine. Once the signal gets out of the cable modem to your router, the os of the connected computers will make no difference. I cannot comment on phone help from any of the three companies since I have never needed it. I would not expect them to deal with Linux since that would not be cost-effective. On the other hand, this list is an alternative that will trump a low paid telephone responder any time :-) Get the modem in (and have a windows machine available) and then connect your router and see if you can ping the router etc. If you run into a problem get in touch with the list (or me directly if you wish). doug

March 31, 2004

Re: [Wlug] High-speed access questions

by Brian J. Conway

Not true (entirely). What Comcast does now is direct all requests from an unauthorized modem to a Comcast web page that you enter your info in and it authorized the MAC address on your modem. Before that with AT&T Broadband, I called up support, told them I had an unsupported OS and asked them to enable my modem for use on their network. They asked for my various information, and 5 minutes later, everything worked. But yes, using the Windows program was probably the easiest way. Fortunately, now anyone with a browser can set things up. Brian On Wed, 31 Mar 2004 18:27:49 -0500 (EST) gboyce(a)badbelly.com wrote: > On Wed, 31 Mar 2004, Gregory Avedissian wrote: > > > It seems like most of the providers say that you need windows or mac > > to use their DSL or cable internet. Does this just mean they won't > > offer tech support for linux, or does it mean that it won't work? I'm > > planning on using a router and having two computers connected. > > When I signed up for a AT&T cable modem (before Comcast bought them), it > > was actually impossible to enable your cable modem from within Linux. > There was a windows program to do the initial setup. After you get past > > that point, Linux would work with it fine. > > I luckily had a Windows partition on the machine at the time. > > I'm hoping that Comcast doesn't have this same problem for new users, > but issues like that are a possibility.

March 31, 2004

Re: [Wlug] High-speed access questions

by gboyce＠badbelly.com

On Wed, 31 Mar 2004, Gregory Avedissian wrote: > It seems like most of the providers say that you need windows or mac to > use their DSL or cable internet. Does this just mean they won't offer > tech support for linux, or does it mean that it won't work? I'm planning > on using a router and having two computers connected. When I signed up for a AT&T cable modem (before Comcast bought them), it was actually impossible to enable your cable modem from within Linux. There was a windows program to do the initial setup. After you get past that point, Linux would work with it fine. I luckily had a Windows partition on the machine at the time. I'm hoping that Comcast doesn't have this same problem for new users, but issues like that are a possibility.

March 31, 2004

Re: [Wlug] High-speed access questions

by David Goss

I'm using linux ( RH 9.0 ) for my nternet gateway/firewall with four windows boxes through it. Speed is good. No support from Verizon ( SURPRISE!!! ) but works very well for me in Marlborough dave goss assimulation is fulite! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gregory Avedissian" <avedis(a)rcn.com> To: <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2004 12:35 PM Subject: [Wlug] High-speed access questions > It seems like most of the providers say that you need windows or mac to > use their DSL or cable internet. Does this just mean they won't offer > tech support for linux, or does it mean that it won't work? I'm planning > on using a router and having two computers connected. > > Has anyone had luck with linux and Verizon DSL? They're down to > $35/month, and they give you the modem. Anyone know of better deals? > > Thanks. > > > Greg > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

March 31, 2004

Re: [Wlug] High-speed access questions

by Matt Higgins

Verizon DSL is very hit or miss from my experience. If it works it's fantastic other wise forget it. I lived in an old 3 decker in Worcester and the wiring in the neighborhood was old (Vernon Hill) and whenever it rained or we had snow my connection would go down. My phone worked find but there was too much noise on the line to carry the DSL signal. I called called Verizon where I had good experience with there tech support, the sent out many techs each time correcting the problem a few more feet up the street! When I went to cable they even reimbursed me for my last months service, or lack of service. You mileage may vary ! -Matt Quoting Gregory Avedissian <avedis(a)rcn.com>: > It seems like most of the providers say that you need windows or mac to > use their DSL or cable internet. Does this just mean they won't offer > tech support for linux, or does it mean that it won't work? I'm planning > on using a router and having two computers connected. > > Has anyone had luck with linux and Verizon DSL? They're down to > $35/month, and they give you the modem. Anyone know of better deals? > > Thanks. > > > Greg > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > >

March 31, 2004

RE: [Wlug] Re: Good HowTo

by Martin, Eric

I def know what you mean with the Inet not being friendly anymore...I'm trying to explain to clients and co-workers alike that you can get an virus just by browsing a website...when Is M$ gonna patch that horrible browswer of theirs anyway?!!?!? So firewall is step 1. that I'm prob gonna test in house first, then expose it (complete with jail ;) ) -----Original Message----- From: Bob George [mailto:mailings02@ttlexceeded.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2004 2:52 PM To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org Subject: [Wlug] Re: Good HowTo Martin, Eric wrote: > A large part of it is the learning, that's one of the things that got > me into comptuers in the first place. I know it sounds crazy, but I > want to deal with the headaches of a mailserver, and possibly 2 DNS > servers if I can run them. Basically it comes down to wanting the > expirience of bringing up a mail server and dealing with real > problems... That's a great approach, but do appreciate that in making some early mistakes, you can easily wind up with your system used to relay spam en-masse, or worse. I would recommend a slow and thorough approach, along with a fail-back option if something doesn't work as expected. Get the firewall working and tested as step 1. Have someone knowledgeable help with testing as you go. Unfortunately, the 'net has become a dangerous place for learning these days, and mistakes are quickly exploited. Or you could simply never make mistakes. :) - Bob _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

March 31, 2004

RE: [Wlug] Looking for a used power supply

by Mike Peckar

ATX - in a connector with two rows of 10. My motherboard doesn't have the single row connector pictured in the link you sent, but the one just below that...

March 31, 2004

RE: [Wlug] Re: Good HowTo

by Martin, Eric

Cool, thanks! -----Original Message----- From: Josh Huber [mailto:huber@alum.wpi.edu] Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2004 3:00 PM To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org Subject: Re: [Wlug] Re: Good HowTo "Martin, Eric" <MartinE(a)worc.k12.ma.us> writes: > A large part of it is the learning, that's one of the things that got > me into comptuers in the first place. I know it sounds crazy, but I > want to deal with the headaches of a mailserver, and possibly 2 DNS > servers if I can run them. Basically it comes down to wanting the > expirience of bringing up a mail server and dealing with real > problems... Well, depending on your ISP 'situation', something like this might be nice: http://www.dyndns.org/services/pricing/index.html#mailhop I use dyndns' backup MX service, in case my connection goes down. They spool for up to 10 days, I believe. -- Josh Huber _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

March 31, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Re: Good HowTo

by Josh Huber

"Martin, Eric" <MartinE(a)worc.k12.ma.us> writes: > A large part of it is the learning, that's one of the things that > got me into comptuers in the first place. I know it sounds crazy, > but I want to deal with the headaches of a mailserver, and possibly > 2 DNS servers if I can run them. Basically it comes down to wanting > the expirience of bringing up a mail server and dealing with real > problems... Well, depending on your ISP 'situation', something like this might be nice: http://www.dyndns.org/services/pricing/index.html#mailhop I use dyndns' backup MX service, in case my connection goes down. They spool for up to 10 days, I believe. -- Josh Huber

March 31, 2004

Re: Good HowTo

by Bob George

Martin, Eric wrote: > A large part of it is the learning, that's one of the things that got me > into comptuers in the first place. I know it sounds crazy, but I want to > deal with the headaches of a mailserver, and possibly 2 DNS servers if I can > run them. Basically it comes down to wanting the expirience of bringing up > a mail server and dealing with real problems... That's a great approach, but do appreciate that in making some early mistakes, you can easily wind up with your system used to relay spam en-masse, or worse. I would recommend a slow and thorough approach, along with a fail-back option if something doesn't work as expected. Get the firewall working and tested as step 1. Have someone knowledgeable help with testing as you go. Unfortunately, the 'net has become a dangerous place for learning these days, and mistakes are quickly exploited. Or you could simply never make mistakes. :) - Bob

March 31, 2004

RE: [Wlug] Re: Good HowTo

by Martin, Eric

A large part of it is the learning, that's one of the things that got me into comptuers in the first place. I know it sounds crazy, but I want to deal with the headaches of a mailserver, and possibly 2 DNS servers if I can run them. Basically it comes down to wanting the expirience of bringing up a mail server and dealing with real problems... -----Original Message----- From: Bob George [mailto:mailings02@ttlexceeded.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2004 2:14 PM To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org Subject: [Wlug] Re: Good HowTo Martin, Eric wrote: > [...] I own two domains, and I want to have email from those domains > delivered to my server. The first question is: will your provider allow incoming smtp to your address? If so, you can set up MX pointers to your server... unless it's dynamic. In which case, you could set up with one of the dynamic dns providers, and update it with a short TTL. In which case, everything shulud work, although some systems will reject (RBL) mail originating from your address simply because it IS dynamic. Back in Phoenix, I was set up (with Cox as my provider) with a server at the house directly accepting mail from outside. It was great fun, but due to the worm/virus outbreaks, and various threats from the community at large, they began blocking inbound smtp, and eventually outbound as well. While this was certainly aggravating at the time, and I was annoyed they didn't bother to NOTIFY me of this change, in hindsight it's probalby just as well. I wound up going with a $2/mo. offsite hosting outfit, and have to say my aggravation levels are greatly reduced (not to mention I can down my server and not worry about losing stuff... a real advantage while moving last summer.) It's also nice now that I'm experiencing the not-quite-so-steady power in my new home area. Mail for my domains goes to the hosted server (my MX), and I pull it down at regular (5 min.) intervals using fetchmail via POP3. I run postfix locally, but relay through my provider's (charter) smtp server for outbound to avoid sudden surprises if ToS changes. I've got accounts on the hosted server for my users (family), plus a "wildcard" that I can use to break things out locally via aliases. It's not as sexy as having incoming mail handled directly, but mail for my domains "is delivered to my server" for local reading via POP/IMAP, and I do have control over the local outbound (smtp). I don't have spammers knocking at my server constantly, and I have to admit I don't miss the headaches of an exposed server (though the learning was fun). I'm not sure if that's what you had in mind, but it does work well. > I have Postfix in mind, I've heard it's pretty easy but I'm obviously > not set on it. I used postfix throughout, and found it quite easy to set up and administer. Handling multiple domains locally was no big deal, jsut a matter of setting the "mydestination" option. Again, specifics may vary depending on what your provider allows/requires. > I'd also like to include spamassassin, and antivirus (clamav > probaly...) I do run spamassassin via local delivery, but obviously the stuff's made it onto my server by then. I don't run any MTA-level blocking, due to the setup described above. It does keep the crud out of my family's inboxen though (and quite deftly, I might add.) I also chain bogofilter and spamprobe, experimenting with variations on bayes. I'm on the spamassassin list, and there ways to get MTA-level integration, if you desire. I'm running several anti-virus (3 - bitdefender, f-prot and clamav) in line via procmail on delivery. Each detects some the others miss (depending on the hour.) Again, this could be integrated at a higher level. You might check out amavis or mailscanner. I've got anomy sanitizer as a 3rd level of defense, stripping off active content and defanging (web bugs and the like), for selected accounts. I set this up all as discrete steps, and had no real headaches. The documentation for each package (postfix, fetchmail, procmail, spamassassin, clamav) was sufficient. I run my own linux firewall, but I can understand why some folks prefer to by an appliance. I host my mail server off-site, but have done the "studly mail admin" bit as well. Just a question of trade-offs for a home/hobby system, and how much time you want to spend on it. - Bob _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

March 31, 2004

Re: Good HowTo

by Bob George

Martin, Eric wrote: > [...] I own two domains, and I want to have email from those domains > delivered to my server. The first question is: will your provider allow incoming smtp to your address? If so, you can set up MX pointers to your server... unless it's dynamic. In which case, you could set up with one of the dynamic dns providers, and update it with a short TTL. In which case, everything shulud work, although some systems will reject (RBL) mail originating from your address simply because it IS dynamic. Back in Phoenix, I was set up (with Cox as my provider) with a server at the house directly accepting mail from outside. It was great fun, but due to the worm/virus outbreaks, and various threats from the community at large, they began blocking inbound smtp, and eventually outbound as well. While this was certainly aggravating at the time, and I was annoyed they didn't bother to NOTIFY me of this change, in hindsight it's probalby just as well. I wound up going with a $2/mo. offsite hosting outfit, and have to say my aggravation levels are greatly reduced (not to mention I can down my server and not worry about losing stuff... a real advantage while moving last summer.) It's also nice now that I'm experiencing the not-quite-so-steady power in my new home area. Mail for my domains goes to the hosted server (my MX), and I pull it down at regular (5 min.) intervals using fetchmail via POP3. I run postfix locally, but relay through my provider's (charter) smtp server for outbound to avoid sudden surprises if ToS changes. I've got accounts on the hosted server for my users (family), plus a "wildcard" that I can use to break things out locally via aliases. It's not as sexy as having incoming mail handled directly, but mail for my domains "is delivered to my server" for local reading via POP/IMAP, and I do have control over the local outbound (smtp). I don't have spammers knocking at my server constantly, and I have to admit I don't miss the headaches of an exposed server (though the learning was fun). I'm not sure if that's what you had in mind, but it does work well. > I have Postfix in mind, I've heard it's pretty easy but I'm obviously > not set on it. I used postfix throughout, and found it quite easy to set up and administer. Handling multiple domains locally was no big deal, jsut a matter of setting the "mydestination" option. Again, specifics may vary depending on what your provider allows/requires. > I'd also like to include spamassassin, and antivirus (clamav > probaly...) I do run spamassassin via local delivery, but obviously the stuff's made it onto my server by then. I don't run any MTA-level blocking, due to the setup described above. It does keep the crud out of my family's inboxen though (and quite deftly, I might add.) I also chain bogofilter and spamprobe, experimenting with variations on bayes. I'm on the spamassassin list, and there ways to get MTA-level integration, if you desire. I'm running several anti-virus (3 - bitdefender, f-prot and clamav) in line via procmail on delivery. Each detects some the others miss (depending on the hour.) Again, this could be integrated at a higher level. You might check out amavis or mailscanner. I've got anomy sanitizer as a 3rd level of defense, stripping off active content and defanging (web bugs and the like), for selected accounts. I set this up all as discrete steps, and had no real headaches. The documentation for each package (postfix, fetchmail, procmail, spamassassin, clamav) was sufficient. I run my own linux firewall, but I can understand why some folks prefer to by an appliance. I host my mail server off-site, but have done the "studly mail admin" bit as well. Just a question of trade-offs for a home/hobby system, and how much time you want to spend on it. - Bob

March 31, 2004

Re: [Wlug] High-speed access questions

by Mike Frysinger

On Wednesday 31 March 2004 01:06 pm, Martin, Eric wrote: > Also, how hard is it to setup a linux > router? I've been meaning to make a DMZ, just have to get familiar with > iptables... ive been meaning to write a Gentoo HOWTO for this ... keep forgetting though :) personally i dont think it's hard, but thats because i spent the hours scouring google/howtos shifting through the good information and the bad information :) i'm not saying it should be that way ... if you have a good howto that outlines the things you *need* to do and the extra things you can do for *fun*, you can go from there ... that said, my little 'linux router howto' (off the top of my head atm) would consist of aquring a few key pieces (rp-pppoe, dnsmasq, dhcpd, oidentd, iptables) and then setting then them up ... -mike

March 31, 2004

Good HowTo

by Martin, Eric

Anybdoy know of a good howto for setting up a home mail server? Gentoo has a Virtual mailserver how to, but that's not what I'm looking for. I own two domains, and I want to have email from those domains delivered to my server. I have Postfix in mind, I've heard it's pretty easy but I'm obviously not set on it. I'd also like to include spamassassin, and antivirus (clamav probaly...) Thanks Eric

March 31, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Looking for a used power supply

by Theo Van Dinter

On Wed, Mar 31, 2004 at 12:45:17PM -0500, Mike Peckar wrote: > One of my clone's power supplies died - it's a standard PC-like power > supply, but the motherboard connector has 20 pins. I had some similar power > supplies lying around, but they had more/different motherboard pinouts.. Errr. If you go here: http://www.2000trainers.com/article.aspx?articleID=119&page=2 is the power supply using AT (2 single row connectors) or ATX connectors (a bank of 34 or whatever)? -- Randomly Generated Tagline: We come to bury DOS, not to praise it. (Paul Vojta, vojta(a)math.berkeley.edu, paraphrasing a quote of Shakespeare)

March 31, 2004

RE: [Wlug] High-speed access questions

by Martin, Eric

That's another good point about Charter...most of the tech support people are everyday people with a manual in front of them that has a table with 2 cols: Customer reports problem :: Solution. I had more dynamic solutions when I was 10 than these guys have. Also, how hard is it to setup a linux router? I've been meaning to make a DMZ, just have to get familiar with iptables... Eric -----Original Message----- From: Mike Frysinger [mailto:vapier@gentoo.org] Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2004 12:59 PM To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org Subject: Re: [Wlug] High-speed access questions On Wednesday 31 March 2004 12:35 pm, Gregory Avedissian wrote: > Has anyone had luck with linux and Verizon DSL? They're down to > $35/month, and they give you the modem. Anyone know of better deals? verizon is the cheapest ive seen in our area ... i use it out in holden and the service has been perfect the last few years ... if you can get speakeasy, i'd shell the few extra dollars out for them (too bad they dont have service in holden for me though :() ... speakeasy knows linux and offers technical support for no extra $$$ i started using them when they first started offering DSL and they sucked horribly ... but they have gotten their act together and i havent had troubles since personally i use a gentoo linux router that connects with PPPoE and hosts dns (with dnsmasq)/dhcp/NAT for about 6 linux machines and 5 windows machines ... never had troubles that were my fault :) do *not* try to contact technical support from verizon, the vast majority are stupid and just read off of the screen in front of them ... i only ever talked to one guy that knew what 'linux' was and that was after hours of being on the phone (this was back when their hardware would go dark for days on end) if need/want help i wouldnt mind stopping over to lend a hand ... assuming you live in the worcester area :) -mike _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

March 31, 2004

Re: [Wlug] High-speed access questions

by Mike Frysinger

On Wednesday 31 March 2004 12:35 pm, Gregory Avedissian wrote: > Has anyone had luck with linux and Verizon DSL? They're down to > $35/month, and they give you the modem. Anyone know of better deals? verizon is the cheapest ive seen in our area ... i use it out in holden and the service has been perfect the last few years ... if you can get speakeasy, i'd shell the few extra dollars out for them (too bad they dont have service in holden for me though :() ... speakeasy knows linux and offers technical support for no extra $$$ i started using them when they first started offering DSL and they sucked horribly ... but they have gotten their act together and i havent had troubles since personally i use a gentoo linux router that connects with PPPoE and hosts dns (with dnsmasq)/dhcp/NAT for about 6 linux machines and 5 windows machines ... never had troubles that were my fault :) do *not* try to contact technical support from verizon, the vast majority are stupid and just read off of the screen in front of them ... i only ever talked to one guy that knew what 'linux' was and that was after hours of being on the phone (this was back when their hardware would go dark for days on end) if need/want help i wouldnt mind stopping over to lend a hand ... assuming you live in the worcester area :) -mike

March 31, 2004

Re: [Wlug] High-speed access questions

by Chuck Noyes

Linux and verizon DSL work just fine. So does FreeBSD. -Chuck On Wed, 31 Mar 2004 12:35:39 -0500, Gregory Avedissian <avedis(a)rcn.com> wrote: > It seems like most of the providers say that you need windows or mac to > use their DSL or cable internet. Does this just mean they won't offer > tech support for linux, or does it mean that it won't work? I'm planning > on using a router and having two computers connected. > > Has anyone had luck with linux and Verizon DSL? They're down to > $35/month, and they give you the modem. Anyone know of better deals? > > Thanks. > > > Greg > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > -- Using M2, Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/

March 31, 2004

Looking for a used power supply

by Mike Peckar

One of my clone's power supplies died - it's a standard PC-like power supply, but the motherboard connector has 20 pins. I had some similar power supplies lying around, but they had more/different motherboard pinouts.. I'm willing to trade for a free beer after the next meeting.

March 31, 2004

RE: [Wlug] High-speed access questions

by Martin, Eric

It just means that they won't support it. Charter will add $30/mo I believe....Verizon Does PPoE, get get ready to recompile your kernel if you aren't using a router (which you are, so it doesn't matter). Once you have a router plugged in, your internet connection becomes just a regular lan, and TCP/IP takes over, not Verizon or Charter... -----Original Message----- From: Gregory Avedissian [mailto:avedis@rcn.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2004 12:36 PM To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org Subject: [Wlug] High-speed access questions It seems like most of the providers say that you need windows or mac to use their DSL or cable internet. Does this just mean they won't offer tech support for linux, or does it mean that it won't work? I'm planning on using a router and having two computers connected. Has anyone had luck with linux and Verizon DSL? They're down to $35/month, and they give you the modem. Anyone know of better deals? Thanks. Greg _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

March 31, 2004

messages awaiting moderator approval - Suspicious Head

by Joel Young

I keep getting my messages being held up for moderator approval due to a suspicious header. Anyone know why this might be? I'd like to get this solved, and I'm sure the moderator doesn't want to keep approving my messages. Joel joel(a)Jyng.com

March 31, 2004

High-speed access questions

by Gregory Avedissian

It seems like most of the providers say that you need windows or mac to use their DSL or cable internet. Does this just mean they won't offer tech support for linux, or does it mean that it won't work? I'm planning on using a router and having two computers connected. Has anyone had luck with linux and Verizon DSL? They're down to $35/month, and they give you the modem. Anyone know of better deals? Thanks. Greg

March 31, 2004

RE: [Wlug] RedHat 9 Network Problem

by Joel Young

I haven't had a chance to get the requested files off yet, but to answer your router question, pings don't seem to be going out the ethernet board at all, even when I setup a static IP. It's a netgear router which has a default address of 192.168.0.1. I also tried the Linksys default of 192.168.1.1. I also tried to ping other computers on my network. I'll try to get copies of the requests config files and post them here tonight. > -----Original Message----- > From: wlug-bounces(a)mail.wlug.org > [mailto:wlug-bounces@mail.wlug.org] On Behalf Of Martin, Eric > Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2004 11:16 AM > To: 'Worcester Linux Users Group' > Subject: RE: [Wlug] RedHat 9 Network Problem > > > He has a router in between, shouldn't have anything to do > with your ISP. Can you ping your router? Also, is it > possible that your routers ip isn't 192.168.1.x? Maybe you > did a firmware upgrade? > > -----Original Message----- > From: aramico(a)duahati.com [mailto:aramico@duahati.com] > Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2004 8:47 PM > To: Worcester Linux Users Group > Subject: Re: [Wlug] RedHat 9 Network Problem > > > > Still get this problem ? > > Try to call your ISP and ask him to reset the settting. > It ussualy happens if you change the operating system between > Windows and Unix/Linux. But, it ussually works fine too if > you change the computer and or the operating system to > Windows too, but not for other :(( After resetting, it should be fine. > > > Regards, > > Aramico > > > > > > Joel Young wrote: > > > >> I just replaced Windows XP with RedHat 9 on one of my machines at > >> home. My problem is that I can't connect to the network. If I > >> specify DHCP and then try to connect I don't get any > responses from > >> my DHCP server and 'eth0' won't activate. If I specify a > static IP > >> address (i.e. > >> 192.168.1.2) then 'eth0' will activate but I still can't > get out on the > >> network, event to ping. > >> > >> My network configuration consists of a Netgear 10/100 > Wireless Router > >> connected to a Cable Modem, with a Linksys Router/Switch to the > >> Netgear Router to expand my ports. I've been running fine > from all > >> my XP Desktops through this configuration using DHCP. > >> > >> Any ideas would be appreciated. > > > > Joel, > > > > Include your /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth0 and your > > /etc/sysconfig/network files in an email so we can see what > they look > > like. > > > > -- > > Dwight A. Ernest, dwight at significant dot com GPG key A6999567 > > Cell: +1-508-523-1416 FAX: +1-978-405-2504 YIM: dwight_ernest > > RHCE #803004293310030 http://significant.com/~dwight/ KA2CNN > > Papa, partner, pilot, net geek, sysadmin, consultant, cohouser. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wlug mailing list > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

March 31, 2004

RE: [Wlug] RedHat 9 Network Problem

by Martin, Eric

He has a router in between, shouldn't have anything to do with your ISP. Can you ping your router? Also, is it possible that your routers ip isn't 192.168.1.x? Maybe you did a firmware upgrade? -----Original Message----- From: aramico(a)duahati.com [mailto:aramico@duahati.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2004 8:47 PM To: Worcester Linux Users Group Subject: Re: [Wlug] RedHat 9 Network Problem Still get this problem ? Try to call your ISP and ask him to reset the settting. It ussualy happens if you change the operating system between Windows and Unix/Linux. But, it ussually works fine too if you change the computer and or the operating system to Windows too, but not for other :(( After resetting, it should be fine. Regards, Aramico > Joel Young wrote: > >> I just replaced Windows XP with RedHat 9 on one of my machines at >> home. My problem is that I can't connect to the network. If I >> specify DHCP and then try to connect I don't get any responses from >> my DHCP server and 'eth0' won't activate. If I specify a static IP >> address (i.e. >> 192.168.1.2) then 'eth0' will activate but I still can't get out on the >> network, event to ping. >> >> My network configuration consists of a Netgear 10/100 Wireless Router >> connected to a Cable Modem, with a Linksys Router/Switch to the >> Netgear Router to expand my ports. I've been running fine from all >> my XP Desktops through this configuration using DHCP. >> >> Any ideas would be appreciated. > > Joel, > > Include your /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth0 and your > /etc/sysconfig/network files in an email so we can see what they look > like. > > -- > Dwight A. Ernest, dwight at significant dot com GPG key A6999567 > Cell: +1-508-523-1416 FAX: +1-978-405-2504 YIM: dwight_ernest > RHCE #803004293310030 http://significant.com/~dwight/ KA2CNN > Papa, partner, pilot, net geek, sysadmin, consultant, cohouser. > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

March 31, 2004

Re: [Wlug] RedHat 9 Network Problem

by doug waud

Hi Joel Young wrote: > I just replaced Windows XP with RedHat 9 on one of my machines at home. > My problem is that I can't connect to the network. If I specify DHCP I hope you tried dhcpcd, i.e. the client. :-) (I am no trying to be insulting. Just writing from experience. If there is a dumb thing out there to do, I've done it!) doug

March 31, 2004

Re: [Wlug] RedHat 9 Network Problem

by aramico＠duahati.com

Still get this problem ? Try to call your ISP and ask him to reset the settting. It ussualy happens if you change the operating system between Windows and Unix/Linux. But, it ussually works fine too if you change the computer and or the operating system to Windows too, but not for other :(( After resetting, it should be fine. Regards, Aramico > Joel Young wrote: > >> I just replaced Windows XP with RedHat 9 on one of my machines at home. >> My problem is that I can't connect to the network. If I specify DHCP >> and then try to connect I don't get any responses from my DHCP server >> and 'eth0' won't activate. If I specify a static IP address (i.e. >> 192.168.1.2) then 'eth0' will activate but I still can't get out on the >> network, event to ping. >> >> My network configuration consists of a Netgear 10/100 Wireless Router >> connected to a Cable Modem, with a Linksys Router/Switch to the Netgear >> Router to expand my ports. I've been running fine from all my XP >> Desktops through this configuration using DHCP. >> >> Any ideas would be appreciated. > > Joel, > > Include your /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth0 and your > /etc/sysconfig/network files in an email so we can see what they look > like. > > -- > Dwight A. Ernest, dwight at significant dot com GPG key A6999567 > Cell: +1-508-523-1416 FAX: +1-978-405-2504 YIM: dwight_ernest > RHCE #803004293310030 http://significant.com/~dwight/ KA2CNN > Papa, partner, pilot, net geek, sysadmin, consultant, cohouser. > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > >

March 31, 2004

Re: firstname.lastname and user.group e-mail

by Bob George

Karl Hiramoto wrote: > I'm sure you all have see people with e-mails of first.last(a)domain.com > > Is this easy to do with linux? I'm having no problem, just using aliases as Chris suggested. > Is there any confusion with having user.group ? > > can you login to the box with username= first.last ? Perhaps you can, but I find it valuable to have the actual login names and email addresses de-linked. One aspect (admittedly minor and debatable) is security. Login names can't necessarily be determined by email address. It also makes it easier to set up multiple accounts per-user: i.e. one for an "internal" persona, and another for "external" for mailing lists and such to help with spam control. Should an account name get leaked onto spam lists, changing a mail address shouldn't impact the user's login account. Just some thoughts. - Bob

March 30, 2004

Re: [Wlug] firstname.lastname and user.group e-mail

by Karl Hiramoto

Yes, aliases work fine. however i was looking for examples of problems of creating a login account of first.last as the username. I tried this several years ago and had some problems. I need to convince a electricical engineer CTO type guy that hardly knows anything about unix systems. >> I'm sure you all have see people with e-mails of first.last(a)domain.com >> Is this easy to do with linux? > > I think think of a few ways... depending on your MTA... why not just setup > an alias to first.last(a)domain.com to karl(a)hiramoto.org > > Maybe I'm not understanding your question thorougly ;) > > Cheers > > -- > Chris Aniszczyk > Gentoo Developer - http://www.gentoo.org - > http://cia.navi.cx/stats/author/zx > http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x274A275F > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > -- Karl Hiramoto <karl(a)hiramoto.org> Work: 978-425-2090 ext 25 Cell: 508-517-4819 Personal web page: http://karl.hiramoto.org/ AOL IM ID = KarlH420 Yahoo_IM = karl_hiramoto

March 30, 2004

Re: [Wlug] RedHat 9 Network Problem

by Charles R. Anderson

On Tue, Mar 30, 2004 at 10:13:15AM -0500, Dwight A. Ernest wrote: > Include your /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth0 and your > /etc/sysconfig/network files in an email so we can see what they look like. Also include /etc/modules.conf and the Ethernet card entry from the "/sbin/lspci -vv" output.

March 30, 2004

Re: [Wlug] RedHat 9 Network Problem

by Dwight A. Ernest

Joel Young wrote: > I just replaced Windows XP with RedHat 9 on one of my machines at home. > My problem is that I can't connect to the network. If I specify DHCP > and then try to connect I don't get any responses from my DHCP server > and 'eth0' won't activate. If I specify a static IP address (i.e. > 192.168.1.2) then 'eth0' will activate but I still can't get out on the > network, event to ping. > > My network configuration consists of a Netgear 10/100 Wireless Router > connected to a Cable Modem, with a Linksys Router/Switch to the Netgear > Router to expand my ports. I've been running fine from all my XP > Desktops through this configuration using DHCP. > > Any ideas would be appreciated. Joel, Include your /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth0 and your /etc/sysconfig/network files in an email so we can see what they look like. -- Dwight A. Ernest, dwight at significant dot com GPG key A6999567 Cell: +1-508-523-1416 FAX: +1-978-405-2504 YIM: dwight_ernest RHCE #803004293310030 http://significant.com/~dwight/ KA2CNN Papa, partner, pilot, net geek, sysadmin, consultant, cohouser.

March 30, 2004

Re: [Wlug] RedHat 9 Network Problem

by Mike Frysinger

On Wednesday 24 March 2004 10:32 am, Joel Young wrote: > If I specify a static IP address (i.e. > 192.168.1.2) then 'eth0' will activate but I still can't get out on the > network, event to ping. assuming 192.168.1.1 is your router, you could try adding 'nameserver 192.168.1.1' to /etc/resolv.conf, running `route add default gw 192.168.1.1`, and then see if you can get anywhere -mike

March 30, 2004

Re: [Wlug] firstname.lastname and user.group e-mail

by Mike Frysinger

On Tuesday 30 March 2004 09:37 am, Charles R. Anderson wrote: > On Tue, Mar 30, 2004 at 09:32:41AM -0500, Karl Hiramoto wrote: > > Is there any confusion with having user.group ? > > In Fedora, a push has been made to move all such user.group usage over > to user:group, specifically so that . can appear in a user/group name. > Eventually, I believe user.group usage will be removed from coreutils. it's already been removed fedora/mandrake/etc... just apply patches to add it back in ... you might also want to review `head -#`, `tail -#`, and your `seq 5 1` usage ... there are other things too, i just cant remember them -mike

March 30, 2004

Re: [Wlug] firstname.lastname and user.group e-mail

by Chris Aniszczyk

> I'm sure you all have see people with e-mails of first.last(a)domain.com > Is this easy to do with linux? I think think of a few ways... depending on your MTA... why not just setup an alias to first.last(a)domain.com to karl(a)hiramoto.org Maybe I'm not understanding your question thorougly ;) Cheers -- Chris Aniszczyk Gentoo Developer - http://www.gentoo.org - http://cia.navi.cx/stats/author/zx http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x274A275F

March 30, 2004

Re: [Wlug] firstname.lastname and user.group e-mail

by Charles R. Anderson

On Tue, Mar 30, 2004 at 09:32:41AM -0500, Karl Hiramoto wrote: > Is there any confusion with having user.group ? In Fedora, a push has been made to move all such user.group usage over to user:group, specifically so that . can appear in a user/group name. Eventually, I believe user.group usage will be removed from coreutils.

March 30, 2004

firstname.lastname and user.group e-mail

by Karl Hiramoto

I'm sure you all have see people with e-mails of first.last(a)domain.com Is this easy to do with linux? Is there any confusion with having user.group ? can you login to the box with username= first.last ? Any suggestions? -- Karl Hiramoto <karl(a)hiramoto.org> Work: 978-425-2090 ext 25 Cell: 508-517-4819 Personal web page: http://karl.hiramoto.org/ AOL IM ID = KarlH420 Yahoo_IM = karl_hiramoto

March 30, 2004

RE: [Wlug] Good Beginners Book

by Martin, Eric

I def like the HOWTOs, just not sure how much people will like them of if they'll find even a stage3 gentoo box intimidating...Not to be rude, but please no comments for or against gentoo. We all know where everybody stands and don't need another distro argument :) Eric -----Original Message----- From: Gary Hanley [mailto:gary@hanley.net] Sent: Friday, March 26, 2004 10:17 AM To: andystewart(a)comcast.net; Worcester Linux Users Group Subject: Re: [Wlug] Good Beginners Book On Thu, 25 Mar 2004, Andy Stewart wrote: > How about Matt Welsh's book: Running Linux That was my intro to Linux. 2nd edition, I think. But maybe a better idea would be to build a Gentoo system as a class project. The Gentoo on-line documention is fabulous and goes into easy to understand detail for any technical novice. Just a thought. -- Gary _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

March 26, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Good Beginners Book

by Gary Hanley

On Thu, 25 Mar 2004, Andy Stewart wrote: > How about Matt Welsh's book: Running Linux That was my intro to Linux. 2nd edition, I think. But maybe a better idea would be to build a Gentoo system as a class project. The Gentoo on-line documention is fabulous and goes into easy to understand detail for any technical novice. Just a thought. -- Gary

March 26, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Good Beginners Book

by Adam Keck

Hello Eric, Don't forget to check out resources available online. I found these via a pdf searches on google: LINUX NEWBIE ADMINISTRATOR GUIDE http://linux-newbie.sunsite.dk/ Introduction to Linux www.tldp.org/LDP/intro-linux/ Also, more resources are available on: http://www.tldp.org/guides.html -Adam On Mar 25, 2004, at 12:57 PM, Martin, Eric wrote: > Anybody have good suggestions for a good beginners linux book? I > teach Adult Education classes for Worcester, and I'm thinking of a > Linux class target towards small business owners (figure they'll be > the easiest to see the benefits.) Any ideas? > > Eric Martin > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

March 26, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Good Beginners Book

by jeff

Martin, Eric wrote: > Anybody have good suggestions for a good beginners linux book? I teach > Adult Education classes for Worcester, and I'm thinking of a Linux class > target towards small business owners (figure they'll be the easiest to > see the benefits.) Any ideas? > > Eric Martin > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug http://www.marcelgagne.com/LSAbook/index.html :-) -jeff

March 26, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Good Beginners Book

by Andy Stewart

On Thursday 25 March 2004 12:57 pm, Martin, Eric wrote: > Anybody have good suggestions for a good beginners linux book? I teach > Adult Education classes for Worcester, and I'm thinking of a Linux class > target towards small business owners (figure they'll be the easiest to see > the benefits.) Any ideas? > > Eric Martin How about Matt Welsh's book: Running Linux -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA USA http://www.wlug.org

March 26, 2004

RE: [Wlug] Good Beginners Book

by JONATHAN BEALL

hi, i just wanted to answer your question, and thank you for the meeting the other night. my friend and i attended for the first time. your question: try linux in the workplace by the linux journal press. isbn is 1886411867 it's not the newest (not that old either) but it covers most of the KDE aps from 3.1 -Jonathan Beall p.s.- my friend and i just started a business called JBC Solutions. It's desktop and server linux solutions aimed specifically at the small business owner (Koffice, OOo, Samba, Apache, etc). would you mind keeping me up to date with your class? thankyou. >From: "Martin, Eric" <MartinE(a)worc.k12.ma.us> >Reply-To: Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> >To: Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> >Subject: [Wlug] Good Beginners Book >Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 12:57:43 -0500 > >Anybody have good suggestions for a good beginners linux book? I teach >Adult Education classes for Worcester, and I'm thinking of a Linux class >target towards small business owners (figure they'll be the easiest to see >the benefits.) Any ideas? > >Eric Martin >_______________________________________________ >Wlug mailing list >Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug _________________________________________________________________ Check out MSN PC Safety & Security to help ensure your PC is protected and safe. http://specials.msn.com/msn/security.asp

March 25, 2004

Good Beginners Book

by Martin, Eric

Anybody have good suggestions for a good beginners linux book? I teach Adult Education classes for Worcester, and I'm thinking of a Linux class target towards small business owners (figure they'll be the easiest to see the benefits.) Any ideas? Eric Martin

March 25, 2004

ACM Installfest

by Ryan Caron

Just a reminder that the Installfest is NOT this weekend. It will be held on Sunday, April 4th, from 3 to 7PM. We will be showing Revolution OS and other computer related movies for your enjoyment between swapping out Linux installation CDs. Sincerely, Ryan Caron ACM Secretary

March 24, 2004

RedHat 9 Network Problem

by Joel Young

I just replaced Windows XP with RedHat 9 on one of my machines at home. My problem is that I can't connect to the network. If I specify DHCP and then try to connect I don't get any responses from my DHCP server and 'eth0' won't activate. If I specify a static IP address (i.e. 192.168.1.2) then 'eth0' will activate but I still can't get out on the network, event to ping. My network configuration consists of a Netgear 10/100 Wireless Router connected to a Cable Modem, with a Linksys Router/Switch to the Netgear Router to expand my ports. I've been running fine from all my XP Desktops through this configuration using DHCP. Any ideas would be appreciated.

March 24, 2004

free stuff

by Scott Venier

I'm currently in the process of moving into a new apartment and have a couple of boxes worth of stuff that I don't really feel like packing up and moving. That means it's time for the annual WLUG freestuff shuffle. ;) http://www.scooter.cx/~scott/freestuff First come, first serve. Act quickly, and I can even bring it to the meeting tomorrow evening. Act less quickly, and we can meet some other time. Act slowly, and I have to lug it into the new apartment. That's no fun. If you're not local, or know someone who's not local that wants something, I'll ship as long as I get paypal'd the cost of shipping. Anything that's not claimed by Friday is getting put up on craigslist, so don't delay. Scott

March 23, 2004

Reminder: Meeting Wed 7 PM

by Andy Stewart

Hi Everybody, Our next meeting is on Wednesday, March 24th at 7:00 PM in the usual place (Access Grid room). At this meeting, Doug Waud will be our speaker. He will talk about TeX, LaTeX, and pdfLaTeX, which are document processing systems for generating really beautiful books, especially those with alot of mathematics. I have put a couple of links on the WLUG home page for your reference. I'll bring refreshments to the meeting, and we can go out afterwards for some food. I'm not sure if the Boynton Restaurant has completed its renovations, but if not, we can go to the mexican place. I look forward to seeing many of you at the meeting. Andy -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA USA http://www.wlug.org

March 23, 2004

RE: [wlug] Re: Instant Messaging Software

by Martin, Eric

gaim supports jabber -----Original Message----- From: Keller, Tim To: 'Worcester Linux Users Group' Sent: 3/19/2004 4:16 PM Subject: RE: [wlug] Re: Instant Messaging Software The biggest problem usually isn't the messaging client itself, secure or insecure. The biggest problem is the users who don't understand the technology under it. Inside of Stratus we've done a lot of education to get users to understand that IM is a completely insecure medium and that no business information is to be transmitted over it. Once you explain to Suzy accountant that when she pasts the financials into the IM window and send it to her coworker that they shoot out the door, zip half way across the country and then come back and anybody in between can read them, it suddenly hits home... I only wish that Trillian supported Jabber. I deployed a Jabber server and it worked, but the clients for windows were so crummy that nobody used it. Tim. -----Original Message----- From: Bob George [mailto:mailings02@ttlexceeded.com] Sent: Friday, March 19, 2004 2:30 PM To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org Subject: [Wlug] Re: Instant Messaging Software Simoncini, Matthew wrote: > [...] > I work at a large company in Natick that has recently decided to > disallow instant messaging clients from being used on corporate PC's. If the policy is "no instant messaging clients", I don't think I'd load jabber, then argue the finer points. Especially if disciplinary action is noted for violations. If nothing else, make the case for an INTERNAL server, but GET APPROVAL before using it. Jabber has much to recommend it for such a server. > They sight a concern that it is an insecure network link to the outside > world that could allow hackers, worms, trojans, viruses, etc ... into > the otherwise protected network. That's a commonly cited concern, and not unwarranted. > [...] What does affect my team is the ability to easily > communicate with each other on a "live" or instant platform within the > company firewall (we have no interest really to communicate outside the > firewall yet). I was wondering if anyone could point me in the direction > of an Open Source alternative to an instant messaging platform? For > starters I'm just looking for software to run on a server (either Linux > or Doze) and the associated clients to use on primarily XP or 2000 desktops. Again, I'd get approval first, but IRC can do much of what you want. There are plenty of Win clients and servers for it. - Bob _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

March 22, 2004

Re: [Wlug] wall messages on Gentoo

by Charles R. Anderson

On Sun, Mar 21, 2004 at 04:59:14PM -0500, Karl Hiramoto wrote: > Uh "mesg y" was not it. I would've spotted something that obvious. > > I did some digging found out that the tty's were in the group tty, so > added the users that needed wall access to the group, and it works now.. > > I suppose this is a bit more secure than the default redhat where any user > can write to your tty port. Red Hat ships with a set-gid tty /usr/bin/wall.

March 21, 2004

Re: [Wlug] wall messages on Gentoo

by Karl Hiramoto

Uh "mesg y" was not it. I would've spotted something that obvious. I did some digging found out that the tty's were in the group tty, so added the users that needed wall access to the group, and it works now.. I suppose this is a bit more secure than the default redhat where any user can write to your tty port. thx tho > Crap, sorry about that last message... > > "Karl Hiramoto" <karl(a)hiramoto.org> writes: > >> wall works, but you have to be root. > > Perhaps they default mesg to n? > > try mesg y. > >>From the man page: > > The mesg utility is invoked by a users to control write access > others have to the terminal device associated with the standard > error output. Write access is allowed by default, and programs > such as talk(1) and write(1) may display messages on the > terminal. > > Options available: > > n Disallows messages. > > y Permits messages to be displayed. > > > -- > Josh Huber > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > -- Karl Hiramoto <karl(a)hiramoto.org> Work: 978-425-2090 ext 25 Cell: 508-517-4819 Personal web page: http://karl.hiramoto.org/ AOL IM ID = KarlH420 Yahoo_IM = karl_hiramoto

March 21, 2004

Re: [Wlug] wall messages on Gentoo

by Josh Huber

Crap, sorry about that last message... "Karl Hiramoto" <karl(a)hiramoto.org> writes: > wall works, but you have to be root. Perhaps they default mesg to n? try mesg y. >From the man page: The mesg utility is invoked by a users to control write access others have to the terminal device associated with the standard error output. Write access is allowed by default, and programs such as talk(1) and write(1) may display messages on the terminal. Options available: n Disallows messages. y Permits messages to be displayed. -- Josh Huber

March 21, 2004

Re: [Wlug] wall messages on Gentoo

by Josh Huber

"Karl Hiramoto" <karl(a)hiramoto.org> writes: > I've had the wall behavior before broadcasting to allusers work > before on other distro's (slackware & redhat) but now on gentoo it > seems to be locked down. > > talk works, but instead of "talk user" you need to specify "talk > user@localhost" > > wall works, but you have to be root. > >> Don't know specifically about gentoo, but try the 'write' or 'talk' >> command instead of 'wall', but that'll go only to speified users. >> >> Karl Hiramoto wrote: >> >>> Anyone know how to allow users other than root to wall messages to other >>> logins? >>> >>> wall "test" >>> only displays to other users if doing it from root. >>> >>> Do i need to be in a certain group? >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Karl Hiramoto <karl(a)hiramoto.org> >>> Work: 978-425-2090 ext 25 >>> Cell: 508-517-4819 >>> Personal web page: http://karl.hiramoto.org/ >>> AOL IM ID = KarlH420 Yahoo_IM = karl_hiramoto >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wlug mailing list >>> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >>> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >> >> -- >> Dwight A. Ernest, dwight at significant dot com GPG key A6999567 >> Cell: +1-508-523-1416 FAX: +1-978-405-2504 YIM: dwight_ernest >> RHCE #803004293310030 http://significant.com/~dwight/ KA2CNN >> Papa, partner, pilot, net geek, sysadmin, consultant, cohouser. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wlug mailing list >> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >> -- Josh Huber

March 21, 2004

Re: [Wlug] wall messages on Gentoo

by Karl Hiramoto

I've had the wall behavior before broadcasting to allusers work before on other distro's (slackware & redhat) but now on gentoo it seems to be locked down. talk works, but instead of "talk user" you need to specify "talk user@localhost" wall works, but you have to be root. > Don't know specifically about gentoo, but try the 'write' or 'talk' > command instead of 'wall', but that'll go only to speified users. > > Karl Hiramoto wrote: > >> Anyone know how to allow users other than root to wall messages to other >> logins? >> >> wall "test" >> only displays to other users if doing it from root. >> >> Do i need to be in a certain group? >> >> >> -- >> Karl Hiramoto <karl(a)hiramoto.org> >> Work: 978-425-2090 ext 25 >> Cell: 508-517-4819 >> Personal web page: http://karl.hiramoto.org/ >> AOL IM ID = KarlH420 Yahoo_IM = karl_hiramoto >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wlug mailing list >> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > -- > Dwight A. Ernest, dwight at significant dot com GPG key A6999567 > Cell: +1-508-523-1416 FAX: +1-978-405-2504 YIM: dwight_ernest > RHCE #803004293310030 http://significant.com/~dwight/ KA2CNN > Papa, partner, pilot, net geek, sysadmin, consultant, cohouser. > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > -- Karl Hiramoto <karl(a)hiramoto.org> Work: 978-425-2090 ext 25 Cell: 508-517-4819 Personal web page: http://karl.hiramoto.org/ AOL IM ID = KarlH420 Yahoo_IM = karl_hiramoto

March 21, 2004

Re: [Wlug] wall messages on Gentoo

by Dwight A. Ernest

Don't know specifically about gentoo, but try the 'write' or 'talk' command instead of 'wall', but that'll go only to speified users. Karl Hiramoto wrote: > Anyone know how to allow users other than root to wall messages to other > logins? > > wall "test" > only displays to other users if doing it from root. > > Do i need to be in a certain group? > > > -- > Karl Hiramoto <karl(a)hiramoto.org> > Work: 978-425-2090 ext 25 > Cell: 508-517-4819 > Personal web page: http://karl.hiramoto.org/ > AOL IM ID = KarlH420 Yahoo_IM = karl_hiramoto > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug -- Dwight A. Ernest, dwight at significant dot com GPG key A6999567 Cell: +1-508-523-1416 FAX: +1-978-405-2504 YIM: dwight_ernest RHCE #803004293310030 http://significant.com/~dwight/ KA2CNN Papa, partner, pilot, net geek, sysadmin, consultant, cohouser.

March 21, 2004

wall messages on Gentoo

by Karl Hiramoto

Anyone know how to allow users other than root to wall messages to other logins? wall "test" only displays to other users if doing it from root. Do i need to be in a certain group? -- Karl Hiramoto <karl(a)hiramoto.org> Work: 978-425-2090 ext 25 Cell: 508-517-4819 Personal web page: http://karl.hiramoto.org/ AOL IM ID = KarlH420 Yahoo_IM = karl_hiramoto

March 21, 2004

Re: Instant Messaging Software

by Bob George

Keller, Tim wrote: >[...] >I only wish that Trillian supported Jabber. I deployed a Jabber server and >it worked, but the clients for windows were so crummy that nobody used it. > > One of Trillian's biggest strengths (and from the corporate perspective, perhaps weakness) is the ability to create and manage IM accounts with AIM, Yahoo! etc. If you're after a Jabber-only capability (i.e. internal jabber server), I've found Exodus and PSI to be excellent clients, available on Windows and X. PSI supports SSL, which is nice for off-site users. - Bob

March 20, 2004

Salvage flashdisk

by Joel Desrochers

Tim, Here is one software I have heard was good, but have never used, Photorecovery. It is offered for XP or Mac OS 10. The demo is free. http://www.lc-tech.com/photorecovery.htm If you try it and it works, please let me know. Joel Desrochers Message: 6 Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2004 11:24:37 -0500 From: "Keller, Tim" <Tim.Keller(a)stratus.com> Subject: [Wlug] Salvage flashdisk To: "'wlug(a)wlug.org'" <wlug(a)wlug.org> Message-ID: <CAC3BCBB443DEC439198F230B4BCC7E9035B1A9F(a)exna6-ftsaa.mis.stratus.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I've got a 32mb flash disk that's gone bad. Ironically it went bad before I had a chance to pull the pictures off of it. I can't open it with fdisk nor will doing a dd if=/dev/sda of=image_of_flash_disk will work. Anybody got any good ideas or know of utilities that might be capable of salvaging the data? Thanks, Tim. _________________________________________________________________ MSN Toolbar provides one-click access to Hotmail from any Web page FREE download! http://clk.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200413ave/direct/01/

March 19, 2004

Re: [wlug] Re: Instant Messaging Software

by Chuck Homic

On Fri, Mar 19, 2004 at 04:16:20PM -0500, Keller, Tim wrote: > I only wish that Trillian supported Jabber. I deployed a Jabber server and > it worked, but the clients for windows were so crummy that nobody used it. Trillian supports IRC, and an IRC server is really easy to set up. I did this at work, and no one used it, either. :) -Chuck

March 19, 2004

RE: [wlug] Re: Instant Messaging Software

by Keller, Tim

The biggest problem usually isn't the messaging client itself, secure or insecure. The biggest problem is the users who don't understand the technology under it. Inside of Stratus we've done a lot of education to get users to understand that IM is a completely insecure medium and that no business information is to be transmitted over it. Once you explain to Suzy accountant that when she pasts the financials into the IM window and send it to her coworker that they shoot out the door, zip half way across the country and then come back and anybody in between can read them, it suddenly hits home... I only wish that Trillian supported Jabber. I deployed a Jabber server and it worked, but the clients for windows were so crummy that nobody used it. Tim. -----Original Message----- From: Bob George [mailto:mailings02@ttlexceeded.com] Sent: Friday, March 19, 2004 2:30 PM To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org Subject: [Wlug] Re: Instant Messaging Software Simoncini, Matthew wrote: > [...] > I work at a large company in Natick that has recently decided to > disallow instant messaging clients from being used on corporate PC's. If the policy is "no instant messaging clients", I don't think I'd load jabber, then argue the finer points. Especially if disciplinary action is noted for violations. If nothing else, make the case for an INTERNAL server, but GET APPROVAL before using it. Jabber has much to recommend it for such a server. > They sight a concern that it is an insecure network link to the outside > world that could allow hackers, worms, trojans, viruses, etc ... into > the otherwise protected network. That's a commonly cited concern, and not unwarranted. > [...] What does affect my team is the ability to easily > communicate with each other on a "live" or instant platform within the > company firewall (we have no interest really to communicate outside the > firewall yet). I was wondering if anyone could point me in the direction > of an Open Source alternative to an instant messaging platform? For > starters I'm just looking for software to run on a server (either Linux > or Doze) and the associated clients to use on primarily XP or 2000 desktops. Again, I'd get approval first, but IRC can do much of what you want. There are plenty of Win clients and servers for it. - Bob _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

March 19, 2004

Re: Instant Messaging Software

by Bob George

Simoncini, Matthew wrote: > [...] > I work at a large company in Natick that has recently decided to > disallow instant messaging clients from being used on corporate PC's. If the policy is "no instant messaging clients", I don't think I'd load jabber, then argue the finer points. Especially if disciplinary action is noted for violations. If nothing else, make the case for an INTERNAL server, but GET APPROVAL before using it. Jabber has much to recommend it for such a server. > They sight a concern that it is an insecure network link to the outside > world that could allow hackers, worms, trojans, viruses, etc ... into > the otherwise protected network. That's a commonly cited concern, and not unwarranted. > [...] What does affect my team is the ability to easily > communicate with each other on a "live" or instant platform within the > company firewall (we have no interest really to communicate outside the > firewall yet). I was wondering if anyone could point me in the direction > of an Open Source alternative to an instant messaging platform? For > starters I'm just looking for software to run on a server (either Linux > or Doze) and the associated clients to use on primarily XP or 2000 desktops. Again, I'd get approval first, but IRC can do much of what you want. There are plenty of Win clients and servers for it. - Bob

March 19, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Instant Messaging Software

by Theo Van Dinter

On Fri, Mar 19, 2004 at 02:01:09PM -0500, Theo Van Dinter wrote: > I don't think IM is a replace-all for phones or in-person meetings, > but it does better handle/allow a lot of communications in a more > efficient manner. IMHO. Oh, I forgot one... It's easier for me to encrypt my IM sessions than it is to encrypt my phone conversations. If you're paranoid, as I am(*), this is important. * - As someone you routinely captures network traffic at work, and who watches other people in the group addicted to running AIMsniff off the firewall port ... -- Randomly Generated Tagline: "What contemptible scoundrel has stolen the cork to my lunch?" - W.C. Fields

March 19, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Instant Messaging Software

by Theo Van Dinter

On Fri, Mar 19, 2004 at 01:37:25PM -0500, Gary Hanley wrote: > Ha. I still, for the life of me, have not seen the value-added benefit of > IM over a good old-fashioned telephone or conference call. Just a few reasons from my POV: 1) phones aren't available everywhere, and cell phone coverage is spotty/dead in lots of areas. (for example, inside my company's colo facility...) 2) it's quick and easy if you're already online. need to shoot a command to someone or ask a quick 5 second question? it'll take me longer to find/remember/dial their phone number than it is to goto my IM "buddy" listing and type it. 3) unless you record it, there's no trail of conversations on the phone. I "record" all IM conversations that I have -- really excellent to remember little snippets of information. as an example, I opened a hardware case with IBM the other day, but a coworker was going to be the contact, so I IMed the case # to him. The next day, I needed to call IBM about the case... Without having the conversation "recorded", I'd have had no way to know what the case # was (didn't write it down, and the coworker was unavailable). I've also done this type of thing with conversations I had over a year ago. (this is the same reason I pretty much save all email I send/receive btw...) 4) IM is good for multiple short conversations throughout the day -- my wife/friend/coworker can IM me in the morning, and I can just keep the window open for any thoughts/questions/etc throughout the day. 5) If I'm not around, but someone IMs me a question, I'll see it when I get back to my computer and can respond directly. If someone calls me (see #6 below) I'd either have to tell them to call me back later when I'm at my computer, or they'd leave me voice mail and I'd have to go through the bother of getting the VM then calling back, etc, etc. 6) I can walk away from my IM window and get lunch or something -- if people knew my cell phone number, I'd have yet another electronic leash. 7) I pay for phone calls, I don't pay for IM. If I'm using my home phone (pay per call + per minute) or my cell phone (pay per minute), that costs me money that I normally wouldn't have to pay... Not to mention the fact that sometimes you want to talk to people who aren't local which costs more money. However, I'm already paying for bandwidth no matter how much I use. 8) I usually type more "correctly" than I talk. 9) I spend a lot of time working on open source software (one program specifically), and sometimes need to converse with other developers on the project. I'm here in MA, some are in CA, some in Canada, some in Germany, etc... It's easier to IM than setup a multi-country conference call. 10) if you're on the phone and want to talk to someone else either about the call or something different, then you'd have to hang up and call someone else, or get multiple phones, or ... an example: I was on a con call with several of the above mentioned open source developers, and the legal department of a large company we're conversing with -- but we (developers) wanted to chat during the call without having the other group overhear, so we had an IM chat session going in the background. 11) I don't like using the phone. :P I don't think IM is a replace-all for phones or in-person meetings, but it does better handle/allow a lot of communications in a more efficient manner. IMHO. -- Randomly Generated Tagline: "... although it's better if you call it an osculating circle because nobody knows what it means. Except those smarty-pants math professors..." - Prof. Farr

March 19, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Instant Messaging Software

by Gary Hanley

On Fri, 19 Mar 2004, Frank Sweetser wrote: > Plain old talk should work fine. Ha. I still, for the life of me, have not seen the value-added benefit of IM over a good old-fashioned telephone or conference call. Maybe it's there. I just haven't seen it. -- Gary

March 19, 2004

RE: [Wlug] Salvage flashdisk

by Keller, Tim

Yeah, I tried that and the camera comes back with "Card Error". Oh well, I think this card is fubar. Tim. -----Original Message----- From: Matt Higgins [mailto:matt@higgsolutions.com] Sent: Friday, March 19, 2004 11:41 AM To: Worcester Linux Users Group Subject: Re: [Wlug] Salvage flashdisk You could try to format it with your camera. Most cameras have a very simple format utility that will write a new partition table to the disk, and won't try to be smart about it like your pc. Also it my be the case that you have reached the write limit for the flash card. Compact Flash has a fixed write limit before the cells start to go bad. More to the point a given cell can only be switched from a 1 to a 0 n number of times (blank flashes are all 1's not 0's). -Matt Quoting "Keller, Tim" <Tim.Keller(a)stratus.com>: > I've got a 32mb flash disk that's gone bad. Ironically it went bad before I > had a chance to pull the pictures off of it. I can't open it with fdisk nor > will doing a dd if=/dev/sda of=image_of_flash_disk will work. > > Anybody got any good ideas or know of utilities that might be capable of > salvaging the data? > > Thanks, > Tim. > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

March 19, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Salvage flashdisk

by Matt Higgins

You could try to format it with your camera. Most cameras have a very simple format utility that will write a new partition table to the disk, and won't try to be smart about it like your pc. Also it my be the case that you have reached the write limit for the flash card. Compact Flash has a fixed write limit before the cells start to go bad. More to the point a given cell can only be switched from a 1 to a 0 n number of times (blank flashes are all 1's not 0's). -Matt Quoting "Keller, Tim" <Tim.Keller(a)stratus.com>: > I've got a 32mb flash disk that's gone bad. Ironically it went bad before I > had a chance to pull the pictures off of it. I can't open it with fdisk nor > will doing a dd if=/dev/sda of=image_of_flash_disk will work. > > Anybody got any good ideas or know of utilities that might be capable of > salvaging the data? > > Thanks, > Tim. > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > >

March 19, 2004

Salvage flashdisk

by Keller, Tim

I've got a 32mb flash disk that's gone bad. Ironically it went bad before I had a chance to pull the pictures off of it. I can't open it with fdisk nor will doing a dd if=/dev/sda of=image_of_flash_disk will work. Anybody got any good ideas or know of utilities that might be capable of salvaging the data? Thanks, Tim.

March 19, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Instant Messaging Software

by Michelle Vadeboncoeur

On Fri, 19 Mar 2004, Simoncini, Matthew wrote: SM> I work at a large company in Natick that has recently decided to disallow SM> instant messaging clients from being used on corporate PC's. They sight a SM> concern that it is an insecure network link to the outside world that could SM> allow hackers, worms, trojans, viruses, etc ... into the otherwise protected SM> network. Whether I agree with this opinion or not I guess is irrelevant as I SM> don't have a strong enough voice to change anything. What does affect my SM> team is the ability to easily communicate with each other on a "live" or SM> instant platform within the company firewall (we have no interest really to SM> communicate outside the firewall yet). I was wondering if anyone could point Not quite what you're looking for, but... There are some Java/web clients of various messenger software available, which may go around the firewall (use web ports), that you may want to try: Yahoo's Web Messenger: http://messenger.yahoo.com/#webmessenger AIM Express: http://www.aim.com/get_aim/express/aim_expr.adp good luck! (I hope they've fixed the java a bit in the last year or two. The last time I used them they were real memory hogs on the slow machine I had at work (but they did get around the firewall)...) -- --==*==-- --==*==-- Michelle R. Vadeboncoeur --==*==-- --==*==-- mrv(a)kluge.net: http://www.kluge.net/~mrv/

March 19, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Instant Messaging Software

by Baris Hasdemir

I did not try to implement but I guess you are looking for Jabber. You can install a jabber server(http://jabberd.jabberstudio.org/) and use whatever client(linux, mac, win) you want with it. baris On Fri, 2004-03-19 at 10:57, Simoncini, Matthew wrote: > Hey guys, > > I work at a large company in Natick that has recently decided to > disallow instant messaging clients from being used on corporate PC's. > They sight a concern that it is an insecure network link to the > outside world that could allow hackers, worms, trojans, viruses, etc > ... into the otherwise protected network. Whether I agree with this > opinion or not I guess is irrelevant as I don't have a strong enough > voice to change anything. What does affect my team is the ability to > easily communicate with each other on a "live" or instant platform > within the company firewall (we have no interest really to communicate > outside the firewall yet). I was wondering if anyone could point me in > the direction of an Open Source alternative to an instant messaging > platform? For starters I'm just looking for software to run on a > server (either Linux or Doze) and the associated clients to use on > primarily XP or 2000 desktops. > > I'm doing some research on Source Forge and other sites to see if I > can find something myself, but would prefer a suggestion from someone > who's already implemented something like this. >

March 19, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Instant Messaging Software

by Frank Sweetser

On Fri, Mar 19, 2004 at 10:57:10AM -0500, Simoncini, Matthew wrote: > I'm doing some research on Source Forge and other sites to see if I can find > something myself, but would prefer a suggestion from someone who's already > implemented something like this. Plain old talk should work fine. -- Frank Sweetser fs at wpi.edu WPI Network Engineer GPG fingerprint = 6174 1257 129E 0D21 D8D4 E8A3 8E39 29E3 E2E8 8CEC

March 19, 2004

RE: [Wlug] Instant Messaging Software

by Martin, Eric

jabber server is the best I've heard of. Gaim supports the client. www.jabber.org -----Original Message----- From: Simoncini, Matthew [mailto:Matthew.Simoncini@bsci.com] Sent: Friday, March 19, 2004 10:57 AM To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org Subject: [Wlug] Instant Messaging Software Hey guys, I work at a large company in Natick that has recently decided to disallow instant messaging clients from being used on corporate PC's. They sight a concern that it is an insecure network link to the outside world that could allow hackers, worms, trojans, viruses, etc ... into the otherwise protected network. Whether I agree with this opinion or not I guess is irrelevant as I don't have a strong enough voice to change anything. What does affect my team is the ability to easily communicate with each other on a "live" or instant platform within the company firewall (we have no interest really to communicate outside the firewall yet). I was wondering if anyone could point me in the direction of an Open Source alternative to an instant messaging platform? For starters I'm just looking for software to run on a server (either Linux or Doze) and the associated clients to use on primarily XP or 2000 desktops. I'm doing some research on Source Forge and other sites to see if I can find something myself, but would prefer a suggestion from someone who's already implemented something like this. Thanks in advance. Matthew

March 19, 2004

Instant Messaging Software

by Simoncini, Matthew

Hey guys, I work at a large company in Natick that has recently decided to disallow instant messaging clients from being used on corporate PC's. They sight a concern that it is an insecure network link to the outside world that could allow hackers, worms, trojans, viruses, etc ... into the otherwise protected network. Whether I agree with this opinion or not I guess is irrelevant as I don't have a strong enough voice to change anything. What does affect my team is the ability to easily communicate with each other on a "live" or instant platform within the company firewall (we have no interest really to communicate outside the firewall yet). I was wondering if anyone could point me in the direction of an Open Source alternative to an instant messaging platform? For starters I'm just looking for software to run on a server (either Linux or Doze) and the associated clients to use on primarily XP or 2000 desktops. I'm doing some research on Source Forge and other sites to see if I can find something myself, but would prefer a suggestion from someone who's already implemented something like this. Thanks in advance. Matthew

March 19, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Instant Messaging Software

by matthew＠schnee.com

Hi, One thing you can check out is a project from RPI called lily http://www.freegroups.org/lily-twiki/bin/view/Lily/ and http://www.lily.org/ There is information about how to set up your own server and there are clients for a ton of platforms. Matthew Schnee ------------------- Email sent using AnyEmail

March 19, 2004

ACM Installfest has been moved...

by Ryan Caron

Due to conflicting events on campus, we have moved the date of the Installfest. It is now scheduled for April 4th from 3 to 7PM. It will be in Higgins Lab 116. Please email acm(a)wpi.edu if you have any questions or are able to attend for even a portion of the event. Sincerely, Ryan Caron ACM Secretary

March 17, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Network configuration with OpenLDAP

by Matt Higgins

Here are some places to start, http://www.wlug.org.nz/HowtoSamba3AndActiveDirectory?version=1 http://www.padl.com/Contents/OpenSourceSoftware.html -Matt Quoting Michael Long <mlong(a)datalong.com>: > Karl Hiramoto wrote: > > >What services do you need? > > > >linux shell logins? > > > > > > > Yes > > >samba logins? > > > > > Yes > > >imap/pop logins? > > > > > Yes, > > As Chuck pointed out earlier this is not a simple task. Since I have > never managed a multiuser *nix evironment I believe the best thing for > me to do is follow the KISS principle and attack the problem one piece > at a time. > > The first step is to setup a robust multiuser environment that allows > clients to authenticate onto the network via linux shells. These users > will initially login either at the console or remotely via SSH. Ideally > a VPN will be eventually be added to the mix. The next step will be to > setup samba to allow clients to authenticate onto the network via > windows. Finally setup ldap and migrate the authentication services to it. > > > > >I was also looking into this at my work. I setup a ldap server, I'm > >using it now for an address book, but i have not setup any logins yet. > > > >>From my reading, i understand you need to configure each server (samba, > >imap, etc) to auth to the ldap. > > > > > > > > > >>Hi, > >> > >>My goal is to set up a small business network that will have both linux > >>and windows > >>clients. I would like to use OpenLDAP for my authentication services. The > >>problem > >>is that I have never done anything like this and don't know where to > >>start. I have > >>read the docs at openldap.org, LDAP-HOWTO, LDAP-Implementation-HOWTO, > >>http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/libs/pam/Linux-PAM-html/pam.html and am > >>not sure > >>where to start. I would like to start by building the services that will > >>allow me > >>to authenticate users and configure file shares that they have access to. > >>Which > >>service(s) should I start with PAM, LDAP, other? > >> > >>Thanks, > >>Mike > >> > >>_______________________________________________ > >>Wlug mailing list > >>Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > >>http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > >

March 17, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Network configuration with OpenLDAP

by Michael Long

Karl Hiramoto wrote: >What services do you need? > >linux shell logins? > > > Yes >samba logins? > > Yes >imap/pop logins? > > Yes, As Chuck pointed out earlier this is not a simple task. Since I have never managed a multiuser *nix evironment I believe the best thing for me to do is follow the KISS principle and attack the problem one piece at a time. The first step is to setup a robust multiuser environment that allows clients to authenticate onto the network via linux shells. These users will initially login either at the console or remotely via SSH. Ideally a VPN will be eventually be added to the mix. The next step will be to setup samba to allow clients to authenticate onto the network via windows. Finally setup ldap and migrate the authentication services to it. >I was also looking into this at my work. I setup a ldap server, I'm >using it now for an address book, but i have not setup any logins yet. > >>From my reading, i understand you need to configure each server (samba, >imap, etc) to auth to the ldap. > > > > >>Hi, >> >>My goal is to set up a small business network that will have both linux >>and windows >>clients. I would like to use OpenLDAP for my authentication services. The >>problem >>is that I have never done anything like this and don't know where to >>start. I have >>read the docs at openldap.org, LDAP-HOWTO, LDAP-Implementation-HOWTO, >>http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/libs/pam/Linux-PAM-html/pam.html and am >>not sure >>where to start. I would like to start by building the services that will >>allow me >>to authenticate users and configure file shares that they have access to. >>Which >>service(s) should I start with PAM, LDAP, other? >> >>Thanks, >>Mike >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Wlug mailing list >>Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >>http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >> >> >> > > >

March 17, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Network configuration with OpenLDAP

by Charles R. Anderson

On Tue, Mar 16, 2004 at 05:46:06PM -0500, Michael Long wrote: > Hi, > > My goal is to set up a small business network that will have both linux and windows > clients. I would like to use OpenLDAP for my authentication services. The problem > is that I have never done anything like this and don't know where to start. I have > read the docs at openldap.org, LDAP-HOWTO, LDAP-Implementation-HOWTO, > http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/libs/pam/Linux-PAM-html/pam.html and am not sure > where to start. I would like to start by building the services that will allow me > to authenticate users and configure file shares that they have access to. Which > service(s) should I start with PAM, LDAP, other? This isn't going to be easy. Here are a few pointers I found on Google: http://www.bayour.com/LDAPv3-HOWTO.html http://lists.samba.org/archive/samba/2003-November/002398.html http://www.nyetwork.org/fvlug/Fvlug_Samba3.ppt

March 16, 2004

Network configuration with OpenLDAP

by Michael Long

Hi, My goal is to set up a small business network that will have both linux and windows clients. I would like to use OpenLDAP for my authentication services. The problem is that I have never done anything like this and don't know where to start. I have read the docs at openldap.org, LDAP-HOWTO, LDAP-Implementation-HOWTO, http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/libs/pam/Linux-PAM-html/pam.html and am not sure where to start. I would like to start by building the services that will allow me to authenticate users and configure file shares that they have access to. Which service(s) should I start with PAM, LDAP, other? Thanks, Mike

March 16, 2004

Fwd: consulting assistance

by Andy Stewart

If anybody has any interest in this opportunity, please contact Ralph Fasano directly at rfasano(a)risd.edu. -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA USA http://www.wlug.org

March 16, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Open source = security

by Michael Long

Thanks to everyone who replied. I am now able to explain the benefits of open source much more clearly. I have since had a very interesting followup conversation with the architect and I believe he may be starting to understand the benefit of open source. Mike

March 12, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Open source = security

by Theo Van Dinter

On Fri, Mar 12, 2004 at 11:09:37AM -0500, Michael Long wrote: > guess it is not. I was wondering how others would answer this question? I was working at RSA Security for a while, and my manager gave me the same sort of line: We make security products here, you definitely don't want that open source! <some other reference about open source being less secure> My response was along the lines of: Actually, that's _exactly_ the software I would want open source. Security through obscurity (which is what most non-open source relies on) doesn't work. He wasn't happy. <G> Anyway, yeah, "real" security people want as many people looking at their code/algorithm/etc as possible to make sure it's secure in and of itself. There's reasons that things like MD5, SHA1, AES, etc, all went through a rigorous review process before they're made a "standard". -- Randomly Generated Tagline: s Blind, Lingerie makes Great Braille!

March 12, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Open source = security

by orbitz＠ezabel.com

The security of an application is not hidden in a trick in the code but the algorithm it is using. Being able to see the code (assuming it were bug free) should never reveal a bug in the security framework. Obfuscation is not security. On Fri, 12 Mar 2004 11:09:37 -0500 (EST) "Michael Long" <mlong(a)datalong.com> wrote: > Hi, > > During a discussion with an application architect, while trouble shooting SQL > Servers "security" behavior, he asked how an application can be more secure > when anyone can view the security related code. I thought this was self > evident, but I guess it is not. I was wondering how others would answer this > question? > > Thanks, > Mike > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

March 12, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Open source = security

by Scott Venier

It's all about auditing. The more people who can look at the code can find AND FIX any bugs. And the bugs do get fixed. For historical evidence of that look at how quickly the Linux kernel was fixed when the "teardrop" bug was revealed. It took Windows much longer to release a patch. There are probably more recent examples, but that's the first one that comes to mind that effected both open and closed source software. This is the excat same reason that professional software developers have code reviews. Many eyes make all problems simple. Scott Michael Long said: > Hi, > > During a discussion with an application architect, while trouble shooting > SQL > Servers "security" behavior, he asked how an application can be more > secure when > anyone can view the security related code. I thought this was self > evident, but I > guess it is not. I was wondering how others would answer this question? > > Thanks, > Mike > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

March 12, 2004

Open source = security

by Michael Long

Hi, During a discussion with an application architect, while trouble shooting SQL Servers "security" behavior, he asked how an application can be more secure when anyone can view the security related code. I thought this was self evident, but I guess it is not. I was wondering how others would answer this question? Thanks, Mike

March 12, 2004

RE: [Wlug] Fwd: Software Freedom Day: August 28, 2004

by Martin, Eric

Gentoo has a live cd for mac, although it's not gui based...also there's a bit of config for oldworld macs... -----Original Message----- From: doug waud [mailto:douglas.waud@umassmed.edu] Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2004 10:59 AM To: andystewart(a)comcast.net; Worcester Linux Users Group Subject: Re: [Wlug] Fwd: Software Freedom Day: August 28, 2004 Hi all Andy Stewart wrote: > Subject: > Software Freedom Day: August 28, 2004 snip,snip > We will be handing out printed materials and CDs with good > quality FOSS, like TheOpenCD and Knoppix. ..... > Our role will be to help coordinate the event and > provide ..... > high quality (pressed) CDs that local > teams can give out to the general public on Software Freedom Day. Andy, at our meetings, you have asked what we might do with our accumulated $. This FOSS initiative makes me wonder whether making a lot of Knoppix discs which we could all carry around and hand out when queried about Linux, might be a good use of our resources. It would strike me as being right on target with our objective of proselytizing. I, for one, continually run into people curious about Linux and free software in general. If I could hand them a Knoppix disk and say "Here, see for yourself!" I think I would get good bang for buck. In particular the term "free" would sink in well. Any thoughts? doug PS A lot of non Linux users use MACS. Does Knoppix work there/is there a MAC Knoppix alternative? It would be a shame to miss this constituency; MAC users may be human too! :-) _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

March 11, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Fwd: Software Freedom Day: August 28, 2004

by doug waud

Hi all Andy Stewart wrote: > Subject: > Software Freedom Day: August 28, 2004 snip,snip > We will be handing out printed materials and CDs with good > quality FOSS, like TheOpenCD and Knoppix. ..... > Our role will be to help coordinate the event and > provide ..... > high quality (pressed) CDs that local > teams can give out to the general public on Software Freedom Day. Andy, at our meetings, you have asked what we might do with our accumulated $. This FOSS initiative makes me wonder whether making a lot of Knoppix discs which we could all carry around and hand out when queried about Linux, might be a good use of our resources. It would strike me as being right on target with our objective of proselytizing. I, for one, continually run into people curious about Linux and free software in general. If I could hand them a Knoppix disk and say "Here, see for yourself!" I think I would get good bang for buck. In particular the term "free" would sink in well. Any thoughts? doug PS A lot of non Linux users use MACS. Does Knoppix work there/is there a MAC Knoppix alternative? It would be a shame to miss this constituency; MAC users may be human too! :-)

March 11, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Softpro to close Marlboro, MA store...

by jeff

Andy Stewart wrote: >>From Softpro - FYI: > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Marlborough Softpro to Close - Last Day is March 20. > Softpro Books Waltham will Serve as Single Location > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > It is with great sadness that we've decided to consolidate our > operations into our one Waltham store. > > The economy has taken its toll on our Marlborough location which we opened > with great optimism over 4 years ago. Our last day will be Sat., March 20. > Between now and then, we're selling all of our Marlboro inventory at 25% off > (sorry, no special orders). Gift certificates will continue to be honored > at our Waltham store. > > We apologize for any inconvenience to our Marlborough area customers and > hope that you will visit us in our Waltham store, conveniently located on > Route 128/95 at the Totten Pond Road exit. For directions, please visit our > web site (www.softpro.com/info.html) or call us at 781-487-2220. > yup yup. it's all true. stopped in there tonight. the books are literally flying off the shelves so, do those guys a favor - stop by.. at least buy 2600 mag or something. 10% wlug discount + 25% store closing discount? don't know if that applies. what a bummer man. seriously. that store rocks. anyway... on with life... -jeff

March 11, 2004

Fwd: Software Freedom Day: August 28, 2004

by Andy Stewart

-- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA USA http://www.wlug.org

March 11, 2004