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Installing Gentoo

by Carlton C. Stedman II

>I have heard way to much about Gentoo to not try it out, but have also heard the install is not so easy. Well, the install is not easy relative to, say, SuSE or Redhat. Its not all automatic and requires you to actually do some work on the command line (setting up the mirrors for portage, optionally configuring the make.conf file to optimize compilation, partioning via good 'ol fdisk, mkfs-ing filesystems, chroot'ing and such) but a printable Quick Install Guide (http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/gentoo-x86-quickinstall.xml) really takes out the difficulty. I, at least, had no problem setting it up, a couple of times. The only real issue with Gentoo is that if you do go for the compile-everything-mode it takes a good full day to get up and running, and compiling in X and KDE or GNOME is best left for a second day of work (or just let it run overnight). You *can* use prebuilt binary packages, but then why bother using Gentoo? Additionally, all the preinstall stuff can be done with the Gentoo Live CD or something like Knoppix (which I would have used, but needed 2.6 kernel support, and at the time couldn't get Knoppix to boot a 2.6 kernel, whereas the Gentoo Live CD did have it). > Someone has mentioned it before, but how about an install fest so others can get hands on with different distro installs? An installfest would be a great idea. Could hand out live CD's to linux-hopefuls and install in people's computers. I'd be up for trying to get some people running Gentoo and other distros. -- Carlton C. Stedman II, sageman(a)wpi.edu "To iterate is human, to recurse, divine." -- L. Peter Deutch

Aug. 31, 2004

Re: [WLUG] Another vote for a future meeting topic

by Phil H

Well, you probably couldn't do a Stage 1 install. Seems like you'd have to do like a Stage 3 and use --pkgonly for things like KDE/Gnome/Xorg. That's probably obvious, but thought I'd point it out. And by using --pkgonly, you lose any speed benefits that you could have gained by compiling . . . so it's kind of a catch-22. I guess it depends on the CPU and RAM of the machine, but a Stage 1 install (w/ XF86/KDE) took 4-5 days on my machine. Philip Solo mis dos centavos . . . > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 10:02:37 -0700 (PDT) > From: Mike Leo <mleo963(a)yahoo.com> > Subject: [Wlug] another vote for a future meeting topic > To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > Message-ID: <20040830170237.87484.qmail(a)web51310.mail.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > I have heard way to much about Gentoo to not try it > out, but have also heard the install is not so easy. > > Someone has mentioned it before, but how about an > install fest so others can get hands on with different > distro installs? > > just one man's opinion.... > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. > http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail

Aug. 31, 2004

Re: [Wlug] another vote for a future meeting topic

by Ryan Caron

No, the install isn't the easiest thing to someone not familar with it, but the Gentoo documentation is quite good. The basic install (known as a stage 1 install) alone can take a fair amount of time since everything has to be compiled. However, you can save time by using what's called a stage 2 install where some of the basic install is precompiled. A stage 3 install is where the entire basic install is already compiled. We would not be able to complete a stage 1 or stage 2 install during a typical WLUG meeting and it is the kind of thing to let run overnight. If you are a laptop user you can download all the neccessary source files in advance and leave the meeting with the laptop still compiling. Otherwise, a constant, and preferably fast, network connection is required. On Mon, 30 Aug 2004 Mike Leo <mleo963(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > I have heard way to much about Gentoo to not try it > out, but have also heard the install is not so easy. > > Someone has mentioned it before, but how about an > install fest so others can get hands on with different > distro installs? > > just one man's opinion....

Aug. 31, 2004

Re: [Wlug] [Fwd: Cron <root@smoke> root test -x /usr/sbin/run-crons && /usr/sbin/run-crons]

by Mike Frysinger

On Monday 30 August 2004 08:44 pm, Karl Hiramoto wrote: > I'm getting an error message e-mailed to me by cron.. Any idea how to > fix this? i take it you run vixie-cron and Gentoo (in the future you really should include these details ...) ? might want to review this if you are: http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=61961 -mike

Aug. 31, 2004

[Fwd: Cron <root@smoke> root test -x /usr/sbin/run-crons && /usr/sbin/run-crons]

by Karl Hiramoto

same error message, with full headers. Only extra info is the X-Cron-Env variables. and i'm running vixie-cron. -------- Original Message -------- Return-Path: <root(a)smoke.zoop.org> X-Original-To: root Delivered-To: karl(a)smoke.zoop.org Received: by smoke.zoop.org (Postfix) id 361DA10241E2; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 20:40:01 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: root(a)smoke.zoop.org Received: by smoke.zoop.org (Postfix, from userid 0) id 131E3102401A; Mon, 30 Aug 2004 20:40:00 -0400 (EDT) From: root(a)smoke.zoop.org (Cron Daemon) To: root(a)smoke.zoop.org Subject: Cron <root@smoke> root test -x /usr/sbin/run-crons && /usr/sbin/run-crons X-Cron-Env: <SHELL=/bin/bash> X-Cron-Env: <PATH=/sbin:/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin> X-Cron-Env: <MAILTO=root> X-Cron-Env: <HOME=/> X-Cron-Env: <LOGNAME=root> Message-Id: <20040831004000.131E3102401A(a)smoke.zoop.org> Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 20:40:00 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.64 (2004-01-11) on smoke.zoop.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=2.64 /bin/bash: line 1: root: command not found -- ¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø Karl Hiramoto <karl(a)hiramoto.org> Work: 978-425-2090 ext 25 Cell: 508-517-4819 http://karl.hiramoto.org/ AOL IM ID = KarlH420 Yahoo_IM = karl_hiramoto ¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø printk(KERN_DEBUG "%s: BUG... transmitter died. Kicking it.\n",...) linux-2.6.6/drivers/net/acenic.c

Aug. 31, 2004

[Fwd: Cron <root@smoke> root test -x /usr/sbin/run-crons && /usr/sbin/run-crons]

by Karl Hiramoto

I'm getting an error message e-mailed to me by cron.. Any idea how to fix this? /var/cron.log looks OK. 30-Aug-04 15:00 USER root pid 24063 cmd root rm -f /var/spool/cron/lastrun/cron.hourly 30-Aug-04 15:00 USER root pid 24064 cmd root test -x /usr/sbin/run-crons && /usr/sbin/run-crons -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Cron root test -x /usr/sbin/run-crons && /usr/sbin/run-crons Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 20:40:00 -0400 (EDT) From: root(a)smoke.zoop.org (Cron Daemon) To: root(a)smoke.zoop.org /bin/bash: line 1: root: command not found -- ¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø Karl Hiramoto <karl(a)hiramoto.org> Work: 978-425-2090 ext 25 Cell: 508-517-4819 http://karl.hiramoto.org/ AOL IM ID = KarlH420 Yahoo_IM = karl_hiramoto ¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø printk(KERN_DEBUG "%s: BUG... transmitter died. Kicking it.\n",...) linux-2.6.6/drivers/net/acenic.c

Aug. 31, 2004

another vote for a future meeting topic

by Mike Leo

I have heard way to much about Gentoo to not try it out, but have also heard the install is not so easy. Someone has mentioned it before, but how about an install fest so others can get hands on with different distro installs? just one man's opinion.... __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail

Aug. 30, 2004

Re: [Wlug] File Descriptors

by Gary Hanley

On Mon, 30 Aug 2004, Robert L Krawitz wrote: > I once had an odd problem with Acrobat Reader because of something > like this; it was an older version of it with some older version of > Linux. The problem was that if the file descriptor limit was higher > than a certain number the reader would crash on startup. Running > strace on it showed that it went through and tried to close all open > file descriptors up to the limit; presumably (since this is closed > source) there was some kind of hard coded array in there. Our problem is with some Java-based apps. It seems Java can easily have problems with too many open files if not coded properly. I'm not a Java programmer but that's the conclusion I'm drawing. -- Gary

Aug. 30, 2004

Re: [Wlug] File Descriptors

by Robert L Krawitz

Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 08:23:35 -0400 (EDT) From: Gary Hanley <gary(a)hanley.net> Can anyone point me to a good primer on the top of UNIX file descriptors? We had an issue with them recently at work on a SunOS 5.8 host and we upped the limit from 1024 to 4096 via the /etc/system file. There was some debate as to whether or not it was a good idea. My Google searches implied it *might* not be a good idea in some circumstances but I found no obvious conclusions. I know what they are - I just want to understand the pros and cons of changing the default limit...and why there are limits in the first place. I once had an odd problem with Acrobat Reader because of something like this; it was an older version of it with some older version of Linux. The problem was that if the file descriptor limit was higher than a certain number the reader would crash on startup. Running strace on it showed that it went through and tried to close all open file descriptors up to the limit; presumably (since this is closed source) there was some kind of hard coded array in there. -- Robert Krawitz <rlk(a)alum.mit.edu> Tall Clubs International -- http://www.tall.org/ or 1-888-IM-TALL-2 Member of the League for Programming Freedom -- mail lpf(a)uunet.uu.net Project lead for Gimp Print -- http://gimp-print.sourceforge.net "Linux doesn't dictate how I work, I dictate how Linux works." --Eric Crampton

Aug. 30, 2004

File Descriptors

by Gary Hanley

Hello All, Can anyone point me to a good primer on the top of UNIX file descriptors? We had an issue with them recently at work on a SunOS 5.8 host and we upped the limit from 1024 to 4096 via the /etc/system file. There was some debate as to whether or not it was a good idea. My Google searches implied it *might* not be a good idea in some circumstances but I found no obvious conclusions. I know what they are - I just want to understand the pros and cons of changing the default limit...and why there are limits in the first place. Thank you for any help! -- Gary

Aug. 30, 2004

Re: [Wlug] computer for sale

by Karl Hiramoto

Nope, I tried once about two years ago, but I gave up. Ended up booting to windows when I needed to scan anything :-( > Karl, > > Have you been able to run the Visioneer scanner under linux? If so, I'd > like to know how. I haven't been able to do it with my 6100b. > > Greg > > > > Karl Hiramoto wrote: >> I could bring this to the next meeting if anyone is interested. >> >> Asking $150 or best offer. Dual boot machine with windows 2000 and >> Gentoo 2004.2 >> >> Dual Processor Pentium Pro 200mhz >> 17" Viewsonic Monitor with builtin mic and speakers >> DVD/CDROM dvd mpeg dxr2 decoder PCI card. >> 256M RAM (EDO 72pin) >> 20G hard disk (gentoo linux) >> 6G disk (fat 32) >> 6G disk (NTFS Windows 2000) >> 10/100 network card RTL-8139 >> Promise UDMA 33 PCI card >> ATI all in wonder (3D rage pro) TV tuner works in windows. >> Visioneer Paperport Flat bed Scanner with Parallel port cable interface >> ISA Creative labs AWE 32 gold sound card with RCA outputs. >> 2 USB ports >> floppy >> keyboard >> mouse >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wlug mailing list >> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > -- Karl Hiramoto <karl(a)hiramoto.org> Work: 978-425-2090 ext 25 Cell: 508-517-4819 Personal web page: http://karl.hiramoto.org/ AOL IM ID = KarlH420 Yahoo_IM = karl_hiramoto

Aug. 29, 2004

Re: [Wlug] computer for sale

by Gregory Avedissian

Karl, Have you been able to run the Visioneer scanner under linux? If so, I'd like to know how. I haven't been able to do it with my 6100b. Greg Karl Hiramoto wrote: > I could bring this to the next meeting if anyone is interested. > > Asking $150 or best offer. Dual boot machine with windows 2000 and > Gentoo 2004.2 > > Dual Processor Pentium Pro 200mhz > 17" Viewsonic Monitor with builtin mic and speakers > DVD/CDROM dvd mpeg dxr2 decoder PCI card. > 256M RAM (EDO 72pin) > 20G hard disk (gentoo linux) > 6G disk (fat 32) > 6G disk (NTFS Windows 2000) > 10/100 network card RTL-8139 > Promise UDMA 33 PCI card > ATI all in wonder (3D rage pro) TV tuner works in windows. > Visioneer Paperport Flat bed Scanner with Parallel port cable interface > ISA Creative labs AWE 32 gold sound card with RCA outputs. > 2 USB ports > floppy > keyboard > mouse > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Aug. 28, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Re: Meeting Topic

by Mike Frysinger

On Friday 27 August 2004 02:27 pm, Carlton C. Stedman II wrote: > As far as > 'deploying linux', I'm afraid my extent of that is moving my family > members over to linux (work in progress) and friends here at WPI. i hope you're not a gentoo zealot ... we have enough of those already ;) -mike

Aug. 27, 2004

Re: Meeting Topic

by Carlton C. Stedman II

Well, I'm just a *lowly student*, but a linux and FOSS enthusiast. I've used (in the following order) Debian, SuSE 7.1, Redhat 8/9, Slackware 9, Gentoo. Gentoo's pretty much stuck and I really like it. As far as 'deploying linux', I'm afraid my extent of that is moving my family members over to linux (work in progress) and friends here at WPI. CCS -- Carlton C. Stedman II, sageman(a)wpi.edu "To iterate is human, to recurse, divine." -- L. Peter Deutch

Aug. 27, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Meeting topic

by Karl Hiramoto

I've had linux in a production environment for a manufacturing company now for 3-4 years. linux running manufacturing automation, and linux running samba filesever PDC, cups print, http, dns, dhcp, mysql., and automated backups. over the last few months, migrated all the machines from redhat 8 and 9 to Gentoo. Gentoo is working out great. Mike Leo wrote: >Thanks to all for letting me attend my first LUG! >Dave Walsh from Redhat was a great speaker. > >I was just thinking about a topic for a future >meeting. > >It was nice to meet all of you, but didn't get to >discuss what distro/windows manager you all use, who >you work for and how your company is productionalizing >linux. > >We have linux deployed now and I am curious to know >how ya'll have done it as noone else I know is using >it.....yet! > >So my suggestion is a 5 minute intro for those who >want to talk about who you are and how your company is >using and support linux. > >just a thought. > > > >_______________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Win 1 of 4,000 free domain names from Yahoo! Enter now. >http://promotions.yahoo.com/goldrush >_______________________________________________ >Wlug mailing list >Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > -- ¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø Karl Hiramoto <karl(a)hiramoto.org> Work: 978-425-2090 ext 25 Cell: 508-517-4819 http://karl.hiramoto.org/ AOL IM ID = KarlH420 Yahoo_IM = karl_hiramoto ¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø Ever wonder if taxation without representation might have been cheaper?

Aug. 27, 2004

Meeting topic

by Mike Leo

Thanks to all for letting me attend my first LUG! Dave Walsh from Redhat was a great speaker. I was just thinking about a topic for a future meeting. It was nice to meet all of you, but didn't get to discuss what distro/windows manager you all use, who you work for and how your company is productionalizing linux. We have linux deployed now and I am curious to know how ya'll have done it as noone else I know is using it.....yet! So my suggestion is a 5 minute intro for those who want to talk about who you are and how your company is using and support linux. just a thought. _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Win 1 of 4,000 free domain names from Yahoo! Enter now. http://promotions.yahoo.com/goldrush

Aug. 27, 2004

USB webcam

by sonnyvn＠linus.mitre.org

Mike and Andy, Thanks for the info. I will check out these websites. Sonny

Aug. 25, 2004

Re: [Wlug] USB webcam

by Andy Stewart

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Tuesday 24 August 2004 11:08 am, sonnyvn(a)linus.mitre.org wrote: > I would like to have a working USB webcam for my linux box (Fedora core > 1), but I do not know which application support USB devices. Does anyone > know? Has anyone tried? First, check this website to see if your camera is a supported device under Linux: http://www.qbik.ch/usb/devices/ - -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA USA http://www.wlug.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD4DBQFBK8FCHl0iXDssISsRAgfdAJ9XnYz/dylFkgSTXPmUxJYwakFXGQCYpLv2 tieY4EFJbd+ZBxd+eywEfA== =h8bE -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

Aug. 24, 2004

computer for sale

by Karl Hiramoto

I could bring this to the next meeting if anyone is interested. Asking $150 or best offer. Dual boot machine with windows 2000 and Gentoo 2004.2 Dual Processor Pentium Pro 200mhz 17" Viewsonic Monitor with builtin mic and speakers DVD/CDROM dvd mpeg dxr2 decoder PCI card. 256M RAM (EDO 72pin) 20G hard disk (gentoo linux) 6G disk (fat 32) 6G disk (NTFS Windows 2000) 10/100 network card RTL-8139 Promise UDMA 33 PCI card ATI all in wonder (3D rage pro) TV tuner works in windows. Visioneer Paperport Flat bed Scanner with Parallel port cable interface ISA Creative labs AWE 32 gold sound card with RCA outputs. 2 USB ports floppy keyboard mouse -- -- Karl Hiramoto karl at hiramoto dot org http://karl.hiramoto.org/ Mobile: 508.517.4819 Work: 978-425-2090

Aug. 24, 2004

Re: [Wlug] USB webcam

by Mike Frysinger

On Tuesday 24 August 2004 11:08 am, sonnyvn(a)linus.mitre.org wrote: > I would like to have a working USB webcam for my linux box (Fedora core > 1), but I do not know which application support USB devices. Does anyone > know? Has anyone tried? i havent tried any of these because the webcam i have doesnt seem to have a linux driver ... i could be wrong, but i didnt care too much to figure it out SDLcam (SDL): http://raph.darktech.org/SDLcam/ camE (imlib2/E): http://linuxbrit.co.uk/camE/ camora (GNOME): http://camorama.fixedgear.org/ camsource (v4l): http://camsource.sourceforge.net/ camstream: http://www.smcc.demon.nl/camstream/ gqcam (v4l): http://cse.unl.edu/~cluening/gqcam/ w3cam (v4l): http://mpx.freeshell.org/ -mike

Aug. 24, 2004

USB webcam

by sonnyvn＠linus.mitre.org

I would like to have a working USB webcam for my linux box (Fedora core 1), but I do not know which application support USB devices. Does anyone know? Has anyone tried? Sonny

Aug. 24, 2004

REMINDER: Upcoming meeting Thursday

by Andy Stewart

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi Everybody, This is a reminder to you all regarding the upcoming WLUG meeting this coming Thursday, August 26th, at 7:00 PM in the usual place. At this meeting, we'll have Dan Walsh from Red Hat speaking to us about SELinux. More details are on the WLUG website. After the meeting, we'll go out somewhere for some food and perhaps a couple of beers. The Boynton has been pretty full the last couple of times we tried to go there. I'm open to suggestions. See ya there, Andy - -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA USA http://www.wlug.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFBKyrKHl0iXDssISsRAnBXAJ9fUE0PRDg80eAkWK9RrjwVlMVgrgCdGNzv wghO5KN01fbsXx3ZJ8Dm35I= =tkGa -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

Aug. 24, 2004

Re: Car for sale

by Bob George

Sonny Nguyen wrote: > Perhaps it is one of those special cases like that of www.mini-itx.com > where it looks like a car, but really is just a linux computer. Due to > the size, this must not be too hard to customize. Where can you put > it..I wonder...home office, living room...o...the garage. ha ha After having TWO family vehicles rear-ended inside of two weeks, I'm renting a Toyota Prius hybrid. On reading this, it occurs to me that a spam-powered vehicle would have limitless, cheap power available. Of course, to do it right, it would have to suck energy from everyone I visit. - Bob (Driving by any day now!)

Aug. 24, 2004

Re: Car for sale

by Sonny Nguyen

Bob, Perhaps it is one of those special cases like that of www.mini-itx.com where it looks like a car, but really is just a linux computer. Due to the size, this must not be too hard to customize. Where can you put it..I wonder...home office, living room...o...the garage. ha ha Sonny

Aug. 23, 2004

fedora core 1 or 2 with lirc remote control program

by sonnyvn＠linus.mitre.org

Fyi... Found my solution. Fedora core 1 and lirc only works with v7.0pre4 and lower. In pre5, 6, 7, something is broken to cause ati remote wonder to stop responding. Sonny

Aug. 23, 2004

Re: Car for sale

by Bob George

Karl Hiramoto wrote: > 2000 Toyota Celica GT 5 speed manual transmission. > under 85,000 Miles, good condition, records of all normal maintenance > done. > Air Conditioning, Sun/Moon roof, power doors, power locks, 4 wheel > anti-lock brakes. > CD/Tape/MP3/radio player installed. Lojack anti-theft. I'm assuming this thing runs Linux, or is this just spam? - Bob

Aug. 23, 2004

Car for sale

by Karl Hiramoto

2000 Toyota Celica GT 5 speed manual transmission. under 85,000 Miles, good condition, records of all normal maintenance done. Air Conditioning, Sun/Moon roof, power doors, power locks, 4 wheel anti-lock brakes. CD/Tape/MP3/radio player installed. Lojack anti-theft. Picture At: http://karl.hiramoto.org/photo-album/2004/sale/2000celica4sale-crop.jpg Book retail value is $11K I'm asking $9900 Or Best Offer.. I'm moving. MUST SELL, and I need a car until around September 27th, but I am flexible on delivery. -- ¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø Karl Hiramoto <karl(a)hiramoto.org> Work: 978-425-2090 ext 25 Cell: 508-517-4819 http://karl.hiramoto.org/ AOL IM ID = KarlH420 Yahoo_IM = karl_hiramoto ¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø Truth has no special time of its own. Its hour is now -- always. -- Albert Schweitzer

Aug. 23, 2004

Anyone interested in building a linux version of XP MCE?

by sonnyvn＠linus.mitre.org

Brian, I did not take it negatively. =) Just interested in starting something new (from scratch). I guess I can always look into mythtv and then work on adding plugins. Still would like to have something my own (or initialed by me)...you know what I mean? Sonny

Aug. 20, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Anyone interested in building a linux version of XP MCE?

by Brian J. Conway

On Fri, 20 Aug 2004 sonnyvn(a)linus.mitre.org wrote: > Interesting....I see now.....that they do have alot of what I am look for. > thanks guys. I wasn't trying to be too much of an ass, I was just curious what features you were looking for that MythTV and similar packages didn't offer. Your previous email had a good list, off the top of my head I don't know what MythTV doesn't support. Brian J. Conway bconway(at)alum.wpi.edu "LINUX is obsolete" - Andrew S. Tanenbaum, creator of Minix - Jan 29, 1992

Aug. 20, 2004

Anyone interested in building a linux version of XP MCE?

by sonnyvn＠linus.mitre.org

Interesting....I see now.....that they do have alot of what I am look for. thanks guys. Sonny

Aug. 20, 2004

RE: [Wlug] Anyone interested in building a linux version of XP MC E?

by Martin, Eric

If I'm not mistaken it does both -----Original Message----- From: sonnyvn(a)linus.mitre.org [mailto:sonnyvn@linus.mitre.org] Sent: Friday, August 20, 2004 8:55 AM To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org Subject: [Wlug] Anyone interested in building a linux version of XP MCE? Brian, If I am not mistaken...MythTV is aimed to be a Tivo alternative (with little work on the section I have mentioned). I am talking about (a) one server that house data or (b) peer to peer network...every machine on that lan can view each others streaming video (dvd, vcd, and such), audio (mp3 or ogg), and photo (*.jpg etc). what will spawn from this is.... 1) remote control testing on linux 2) tv converters (both software and hardware) 3) customized itx or atx system configuration (www.mini-itx.com) 4) additions... i) voicemail/fax system ii) games system iii) video survilence system iv) and the list will go on... Sonny _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Aug. 20, 2004

Anyone interested in building a linux version of XP MCE?

by sonnyvn＠linus.mitre.org

Brian, If I am not mistaken...MythTV is aimed to be a Tivo alternative (with little work on the section I have mentioned). I am talking about (a) one server that house data or (b) peer to peer network...every machine on that lan can view each others streaming video (dvd, vcd, and such), audio (mp3 or ogg), and photo (*.jpg etc). what will spawn from this is.... 1) remote control testing on linux 2) tv converters (both software and hardware) 3) customized itx or atx system configuration (www.mini-itx.com) 4) additions... i) voicemail/fax system ii) games system iii) video survilence system iv) and the list will go on... Sonny

Aug. 20, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Anyone interested in building a linux version of XP MCE?

by Brian J. Conway

On Fri, 20 Aug 2004 sonnyvn(a)linus.mitre.org wrote: > I am assuming that everyone has heard of Windows XP "Media Center > Edition". Although this is a great idea, it comes with a price. I am > proposing using all open-source applications and OS to build the same > functions (video, audio, and photo). Think about it....an open-source > solution that will provide support the new movement...linux on the > desktop. Please reply if you are interested. =) Sounds great. We could call it MythTV. Brian J. Conway bconway(at)alum.wpi.edu "LINUX is obsolete" - Andrew S. Tanenbaum, creator of Minix - Jan 29, 1992

Aug. 20, 2004

Anyone interested in building a linux version of XP MCE?

by sonnyvn＠linus.mitre.org

I am assuming that everyone has heard of Windows XP "Media Center Edition". Although this is a great idea, it comes with a price. I am proposing using all open-source applications and OS to build the same functions (video, audio, and photo). Think about it....an open-source solution that will provide support the new movement...linux on the desktop. Please reply if you are interested. =) Sonny Nguyen

Aug. 20, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Seeking SuSE 9.1 personal edition

by Andy Stewart

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Thursday 19 August 2004 7:35 am, Steve Freitag wrote: > Andy, > > Not sure if this helps you, but it looks like you can download a SuSE > 9.1 Personal iso from a SuSE mirror such as this one: > http://suse.cs.utah.edu/suse/i386/9.1-personal-iso/ What I really want to know is this: 1) In SuSE 9.1 personal, there is a printed manual. Is it the same as one of the manuals included in the SuSE 9.1 professional edition? 2) Is the downloadable CD the same as what comes with SuSE 9.1 personal? I'm evaluating the use of SuSE 9.1 personal edition for a future class that I'll be teaching. Thanks, Andy - -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA USA http://www.wlug.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD4DBQFBJUfPHl0iXDssISsRAtj4AJ9EohHdrER+uovbKlGq5l0g+urVnACWLNPR LPj8vsO299smAHW1360Jsg== =M/Bj -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

Aug. 20, 2004

RE: [Wlug] Re: Another distro Question

by JONATHAN BEALL

Aug. 19, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Seeking SuSE 9.1 personal edition

by Brian Waite

I have SUSE 8.0 enterpries, SUSE 8.2 Pro and , SUSE 9.1 pro DVD if anyone is interested BTW. Thanks Brian On Thu, 19 Aug 2004 10:28:57 -0400, Hemstreet, Jeffrey L (Jeffrey) <jhemstreet(a)avaya.com> wrote: > Also, if you install the personal edition, and you point to the > Suse ftp site for updates, it will allow you to install the packages > from the pro version. (At least the number of available packages > suddenly increase about 4x) > A friend of mine showed me this one, but I have not tried it myself. > Just wanted to pass it on. > > jeff > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: wlug-bounces(a)mail.wlug.org [mailto:wlug-bounces@mail.wlug.org]On > Behalf Of Andy Stewart > Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2004 9:29 PM > To: Worcester Linux Users' Group > Subject: [Wlug] Seeking SuSE 9.1 personal edition > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > HI all, > > Does anybody have a copy of SuSE 9.1 *personal* edition? Can you bring it to > the next WLUG meeting (no, I'm not roping you into a presentation...)? > Please let me know. > > Thanks, > > Andy > - -- > Andy Stewart, Founder > Worcester Linux Users' Group > Worcester, MA USA > http://www.wlug.org > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) > > iD8DBQFBJAJ4Hl0iXDssISsRAoS8AJ9+mR2XvXk/u3NQiqGjgvJ3G2kTEwCfQx0T > 2/S0fV2C4zSVC7fFgxf4wq0= > =pmTL > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

Aug. 19, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Installfest/bakeoff

by Brian Waite

I wasn't thinking quite so formal a process. Fir example if there are others in the world with old PCs looking to install Linux on, an install fest is a good way to get them installed and a quick primer. The other part would be just kind of showing, on personal machines maybe what a particular distro really works well for someone. As far as CDs, I'd be happy to make a bunch of CDs if we need them. Thanks Brian On Thu, 19 Aug 2004 10:22:39 -0400 (EDT), sonnyvn(a)linus.mitre.org <sonnyvn(a)linus.mitre.org> wrote: > Brian, > > The only way this would work well is if everyone has the same hardware, > install using the same method (cd, nfs, etc), and has a set test > procedures to perform. > > Sonny > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

Aug. 19, 2004

RE: [Wlug] Seeking SuSE 9.1 personal edition

by Hemstreet, Jeffrey L (Jeffrey)

Also, if you install the personal edition, and you point to the Suse ftp site for updates, it will allow you to install the packages from the pro version. (At least the number of available packages suddenly increase about 4x) A friend of mine showed me this one, but I have not tried it myself. Just wanted to pass it on. jeff -----Original Message----- From: wlug-bounces(a)mail.wlug.org [mailto:wlug-bounces@mail.wlug.org]On Behalf Of Andy Stewart Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2004 9:29 PM To: Worcester Linux Users' Group Subject: [Wlug] Seeking SuSE 9.1 personal edition -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 HI all, Does anybody have a copy of SuSE 9.1 *personal* edition? Can you bring it to the next WLUG meeting (no, I'm not roping you into a presentation...)? Please let me know. Thanks, Andy - -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA USA http://www.wlug.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFBJAJ4Hl0iXDssISsRAoS8AJ9+mR2XvXk/u3NQiqGjgvJ3G2kTEwCfQx0T 2/S0fV2C4zSVC7fFgxf4wq0= =pmTL -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Aug. 19, 2004

Installfest/bakeoff

by sonnyvn＠linus.mitre.org

Brian, The only way this would work well is if everyone has the same hardware, install using the same method (cd, nfs, etc), and has a set test procedures to perform. Sonny

Aug. 19, 2004

Re: Re: Another distro Question

by sonnyvn＠linus.mitre.org

I know that I have read somewhere that Fedora or Redhat is not a good distribution for beginners. That could have been true in the past.....but Fedora core 1, 2 and even 3test1 along with Redhat V3 WS have evolved a lot lately. I have gotten a lot going on my boxes with little initial knowledge and a lot of documentations. Therefore, I would recommend using a Redhat based OS. It will make it easier to transition to other Redhat-based Linux like Mandrake, Asianux and such. Thus giving you more play room and easier growth. Sonny Nguyen

Aug. 19, 2004

RE: [Wlug] Re: Another distro Question [offtopic]

by Martin, Eric

That would also really come in handy with a lab of identical computers....Have them all run distcc, one would be the master; build the binary package and the rest would grab it... Eric -----Original Message----- From: Mike Frysinger [mailto:vapier@gentoo.org] Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2004 9:38 AM To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org Subject: Re: [Wlug] Re: Another distro Question [offtopic] On Thursday 19 August 2004 09:26 am, gboyce(a)badbelly.com wrote: > Has anyone tried installing Gentoo using pre-built packages? I know > it's supposed to be possible, but I've never tried it. I'm not sure > how usable it really is. GRP works nicely to get you up and running (ive used it once or twice), but after that the binary package support works pretty nicely ... for example, i have 4 little identical arm machines, and they all share a package directory over NFS ... when one builds a package, the others can update using the binary package that was created ... build once, emerge four times there is also a binary package host feature which i use with my slow routers ... on a central server i run a chroot that mirrors the routers ... i keep that system up-to-date and constantly build binary packages ... then on my routers, i point portage to the ftp server which has all the binary packages and they use that to update -mike _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Aug. 19, 2004

RE: [Wlug] Re: Another distro Question

by Martin, Eric

Definitly going to pitch choices; after all, that's what linux and Free Software is all about. I'm prob going to go with OpenOffice, seeing as how that's what I'm comfortable with (and I know its capabilities). Def looking for a graphic install (at least to start off with), I don't want to scare people away. As far as KDE v. Gnome, I'm not quite sure. I'm not big on the newest version of MetaCity, and I just installed KDE 3.2.3 on a new box and it looks / feels awesome. I'm probably going to lean more towards KDE but show gnome as well. Also covering Firefox, Gaim, and gnuCash. I'm trying to do an intro to computers class with linux. Don't know how it's going to work out but its worth a shot. I want to show people that there is more than the M$ way, (Windows, IE, Outlook Express, Money, etc) I'm open to suggestions of applications to cover keeping with every day tasks (Budgeting, net browsing, email, office type stuff,etc) Eric -----Original Message----- From: JONATHAN BEALL [mailto:joncbeall@hotmail.com] Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2004 8:53 AM To: chaines(a)gmail.com; wlug(a)mail.wlug.org Subject: Re: [Wlug] Re: Another distro Question Gentoo over Slackware for a new user? i think the 3 different types of Gentoo installs, plus the optimiziation steps would absolutely turn off a newbie. if a graphic installer is what you're looking for Redhat, Mandrake, and SuSe have that covered. i'm also a big Mepis fan, they have a great distro with a very simple install. partitioning is most likely going to be a tough sell to windows converts, but anything you can do to keep them away from the nasty windows-wanna-be flavors of linux (like Lindows and Lycoris) will help them in the long run. you said you'd be teaching them mostly GUI features... will you do Gnome or KDE? KOffice or OO.org? So many choices... that's why linux is great -jonathan beall >From: Chuck Haines <chaines(a)gmail.com> >Reply-To: Chuck Haines <chaines(a)gmail.com>, Worcester Linux Users Group<wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> >To: Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> >Subject: Re: [Wlug] Re: Another distro Question >Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 05:39:53 -0400 > >Slackware for beginners, ugh, I'd say not. If you want a good >beginners distro, go with Gentoo (though it still has a little >learning curve for installation and setup) or get one of the distro's >that does more for you like Fedora Core 2 (which I'm running and like >a lot), Mandrake or Suse. They make much better beginner friendly >distro's. Remember, you want to make the switchover easier on users, >otherwise they won't make it. IMHO, Slackware would be too hard to >learn for a beginner (but don't get my wrong, I love Slackware, just >not for a beginner). > >Chuck > >On Wed, 18 Aug 2004 05:32:12 -0400, Frank Rizzo <joe(a)crankhouse.com> wrote: > > > > I'm teaching a Beginners Linux course in a few weeks for Nitelife with > > > > the Worc Pub Schools. I was almost ready to go with Fedora, but I > > > > don't think that has what I'm looking for. I want something easy for > > > > people to pickup, and I don't think RPMs don't give you the linux > > > > feel. I'm going to start out w/Knoppix, but I also want to get into a > > > > disk install. I've only used Gentoo, RHAT, and Knoppix. A friend > > > > mentioned SuSe, but I've never used it. Very open to suggestions, I > > > > want as people to enjoy this class, not think that linux is out of > > > > their grasp. So, the question is what distro would people recommend > > > > for beginners aside from Knoppix? > > > > I would say Slackware would be a good distro to show people Linux. It's simple, > > secure, and stable. It does have the tgz packages, but you dont have to use them. > > The only problem is the install is not as pretty as some of the other distros. > > > > -Joe > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wlug mailing list > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > >-- >Chuck Haines >chaines(a)gmail.com >------------------------------------------- >Tau Kappa Epsilon Fraternity >WPI Class of 2005 >------------------------------------------- >AIM: CyberGrex >YIM: CyberGrex_27 >ICQ: 3707881 >------------------------------------------- >_______________________________________________ >Wlug mailing list >Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Aug. 19, 2004

RE: [Wlug] Re: Another distro Question

by Martin, Eric

I've done a Stage3 with GRP (all you do is the kernel with stage3, and GRP is precompilied Oo.O, KDE, gnome). It's quick, it works, but I prefer to use Stage1 and distcc for speed. I like the fact that I can rip kerberos support out, etc. I'm gonna d/l SuSe and Slackware tonight, see what I can see. Eric -----Original Message----- From: gboyce(a)badbelly.com [mailto:gboyce@badbelly.com] Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2004 9:27 AM To: Worcester Linux Users Group Subject: Re: [Wlug] Re: Another distro Question On Thu, 19 Aug 2004, Chuck Haines wrote: > Slackware for beginners, ugh, I'd say not. If you want a good > beginners distro, go with Gentoo (though it still has a little > learning curve for installation and setup) or get one of the distro's > that does more for you like Fedora Core 2 (which I'm running and like > a lot), Mandrake or Suse. They make much better beginner friendly > distro's. Remember, you want to make the switchover easier on users, > otherwise they won't make it. IMHO, Slackware would be too hard to > learn for a beginner (but don't get my wrong, I love Slackware, just > not for a beginner). I consider Gentoo a good learning distribution for people who want to get to know Linux (layouts, etc), but I'm thinking that a course at public schools will probably have low end hardware to work with. I'm not sure how much learning they'll do while they wait for their packages to compile on the older hardware. Glibc itself would take at least a class. Has anyone tried installing Gentoo using pre-built packages? I know it's supposed to be possible, but I've never tried it. I'm not sure how usable it really is. -- Greg Boyce _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Aug. 19, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Re: Another distro Question [offtopic]

by Mike Frysinger

On Thursday 19 August 2004 09:26 am, gboyce(a)badbelly.com wrote: > Has anyone tried installing Gentoo using pre-built packages? I know it's > supposed to be possible, but I've never tried it. I'm not sure how usable > it really is. GRP works nicely to get you up and running (ive used it once or twice), but after that the binary package support works pretty nicely ... for example, i have 4 little identical arm machines, and they all share a package directory over NFS ... when one builds a package, the others can update using the binary package that was created ... build once, emerge four times there is also a binary package host feature which i use with my slow routers ... on a central server i run a chroot that mirrors the routers ... i keep that system up-to-date and constantly build binary packages ... then on my routers, i point portage to the ftp server which has all the binary packages and they use that to update -mike

Aug. 19, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Re: Another distro Question

by gboyce＠badbelly.com

On Thu, 19 Aug 2004, Chuck Haines wrote: > Slackware for beginners, ugh, I'd say not. If you want a good > beginners distro, go with Gentoo (though it still has a little > learning curve for installation and setup) or get one of the distro's > that does more for you like Fedora Core 2 (which I'm running and like > a lot), Mandrake or Suse. They make much better beginner friendly > distro's. Remember, you want to make the switchover easier on users, > otherwise they won't make it. IMHO, Slackware would be too hard to > learn for a beginner (but don't get my wrong, I love Slackware, just > not for a beginner). I consider Gentoo a good learning distribution for people who want to get to know Linux (layouts, etc), but I'm thinking that a course at public schools will probably have low end hardware to work with. I'm not sure how much learning they'll do while they wait for their packages to compile on the older hardware. Glibc itself would take at least a class. Has anyone tried installing Gentoo using pre-built packages? I know it's supposed to be possible, but I've never tried it. I'm not sure how usable it really is. -- Greg Boyce

Aug. 19, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Re: Another distro Question

by JONATHAN BEALL

Aug. 19, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Seeking SuSE 9.1 personal edition

by Steve Freitag

Andy, Not sure if this helps you, but it looks like you can download a SuSE 9.1 Personal iso from a SuSE mirror such as this one: http://suse.cs.utah.edu/suse/i386/9.1-personal-iso/ Here's a couple of links which gives more info on the download (no commercial software) version: http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=7425 http://www.distrowatch.com/?newsid=01692#0 Andy Stewart wrote: >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >Hash: SHA1 > > >HI all, > >Does anybody have a copy of SuSE 9.1 *personal* edition? Can you bring it to >the next WLUG meeting (no, I'm not roping you into a presentation...)? >Please let me know. > >Thanks, > >Andy >- -- >Andy Stewart, Founder >Worcester Linux Users' Group >Worcester, MA USA >http://www.wlug.org >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) > >iD8DBQFBJAJ4Hl0iXDssISsRAoS8AJ9+mR2XvXk/u3NQiqGjgvJ3G2kTEwCfQx0T >2/S0fV2C4zSVC7fFgxf4wq0= >=pmTL >-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > >_______________________________________________ >Wlug mailing list >Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > >

Aug. 19, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Re: Another distro Question

by Chuck Haines

Slackware for beginners, ugh, I'd say not. If you want a good beginners distro, go with Gentoo (though it still has a little learning curve for installation and setup) or get one of the distro's that does more for you like Fedora Core 2 (which I'm running and like a lot), Mandrake or Suse. They make much better beginner friendly distro's. Remember, you want to make the switchover easier on users, otherwise they won't make it. IMHO, Slackware would be too hard to learn for a beginner (but don't get my wrong, I love Slackware, just not for a beginner). Chuck On Wed, 18 Aug 2004 05:32:12 -0400, Frank Rizzo <joe(a)crankhouse.com> wrote: > > > I'm teaching a Beginners Linux course in a few weeks for Nitelife with > > > the Worc Pub Schools. I was almost ready to go with Fedora, but I > > > don't think that has what I'm looking for. I want something easy for > > > people to pickup, and I don't think RPMs don't give you the linux > > > feel. I'm going to start out w/Knoppix, but I also want to get into a > > > disk install. I've only used Gentoo, RHAT, and Knoppix. A friend > > > mentioned SuSe, but I've never used it. Very open to suggestions, I > > > want as people to enjoy this class, not think that linux is out of > > > their grasp. So, the question is what distro would people recommend > > > for beginners aside from Knoppix? > > I would say Slackware would be a good distro to show people Linux. It's simple, > secure, and stable. It does have the tgz packages, but you dont have to use them. > The only problem is the install is not as pretty as some of the other distros. > > -Joe > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > -- Chuck Haines chaines(a)gmail.com ------------------------------------------- Tau Kappa Epsilon Fraternity WPI Class of 2005 ------------------------------------------- AIM: CyberGrex YIM: CyberGrex_27 ICQ: 3707881 -------------------------------------------

Aug. 19, 2004

Seeking SuSE 9.1 personal edition

by Andy Stewart

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 HI all, Does anybody have a copy of SuSE 9.1 *personal* edition? Can you bring it to the next WLUG meeting (no, I'm not roping you into a presentation...)? Please let me know. Thanks, Andy - -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA USA http://www.wlug.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFBJAJ4Hl0iXDssISsRAoS8AJ9+mR2XvXk/u3NQiqGjgvJ3G2kTEwCfQx0T 2/S0fV2C4zSVC7fFgxf4wq0= =pmTL -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

Aug. 19, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Re: Another distro Question

by Frank Rizzo

I agree that the install might not be quite as user friendly as a Mandrake or SuSe, but if you're thinking about using Gentoo you should also think about using Slackware. Like I said before - it's a pretty straight forward distro, you get out of it what you put into it. Great for learning, IMO. On Thu, Aug 19, 2004 at 05:39:53AM -0400, Chuck Haines wrote: > Slackware for beginners, ugh, I'd say not. If you want a good > beginners distro, go with Gentoo (though it still has a little > learning curve for installation and setup) or get one of the distro's > that does more for you like Fedora Core 2 (which I'm running and like > a lot), Mandrake or Suse. They make much better beginner friendly > distro's. Remember, you want to make the switchover easier on users, > otherwise they won't make it. IMHO, Slackware would be too hard to > learn for a beginner (but don't get my wrong, I love Slackware, just > not for a beginner). > > Chuck > > On Wed, 18 Aug 2004 05:32:12 -0400, Frank Rizzo <joe(a)crankhouse.com> wrote: > > > > I'm teaching a Beginners Linux course in a few weeks for Nitelife with > > > > the Worc Pub Schools. I was almost ready to go with Fedora, but I > > > > don't think that has what I'm looking for. I want something easy for > > > > people to pickup, and I don't think RPMs don't give you the linux > > > > feel. I'm going to start out w/Knoppix, but I also want to get into a > > > > disk install. I've only used Gentoo, RHAT, and Knoppix. A friend > > > > mentioned SuSe, but I've never used it. Very open to suggestions, I > > > > want as people to enjoy this class, not think that linux is out of > > > > their grasp. So, the question is what distro would people recommend > > > > for beginners aside from Knoppix? > > > > I would say Slackware would be a good distro to show people Linux. It's simple, > > secure, and stable. It does have the tgz packages, but you dont have to use them. > > The only problem is the install is not as pretty as some of the other distros. > > > > -Joe > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wlug mailing list > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > > -- > Chuck Haines > chaines(a)gmail.com > ------------------------------------------- > Tau Kappa Epsilon Fraternity > WPI Class of 2005 > ------------------------------------------- > AIM: CyberGrex > YIM: CyberGrex_27 > ICQ: 3707881 > ------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Aug. 19, 2004

RE: [Wlug] Linux Training

by Martin, Eric

I agree. HOWTOs have taught me the most out of everything. I'd say take the money that you'd pay for training, and get a few ORA (O'Reilly & Assoc.) books, cd rom bookshelves, or maybe even a Subscription to safari. Reading and doing is my best way. Eric -----Original Message----- From: sonnyvn(a)linus.mitre.org [mailto:sonnyvn@linus.mitre.org] Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2004 11:54 AM To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org Subject: [Wlug] Linux Training Mark, In my opinion, classes are always out of date. When I first started with HPUX and Solaris, I was sent to classes. Afterward, I have found docs.sun.com and docs.hp.com has even more info than the classes (and they are free). For Linux, the www.linux.org with (www.tldp.org) website(s) have given me 80% of linux knowledge. Depending upon your distributions (mine is Redhat), I have found even more indepth documentations (pdf) from their website to do almost everything my Solaris and HP-UX can do (except Jumpstart and Ignite-UX). Hopes this helps a little. Sonny Nguyen > Send Wlug mailing list submissions to > wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > wlug-request(a)mail.wlug.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > wlug-owner(a)mail.wlug.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Wlug digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Linux Training (Mark Eaton) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 08:54:19 -0400 > From: "Mark Eaton" <meaton(a)sterilite.com> > Subject: [Wlug] Linux Training > To: <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> > Message-ID: > <C410352A9903E540B8FBE58DAEDDC09147E66B(a)shomail2k.sterilite.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > We are a manufacturing firm located in North Central Mass. We're > converting our Enterprise systems from Unix/Solaris & SUNs to Linux & > Intel's running clustered servers. We are pretty proficient at > Solaris but need to get up to speed on Linux fast. I can't afford to > have people out for 2 or 3 weeks to go to Red Hat for formal training > and that's about all I've found other than "buy our > CD's...". Are there some good intermediate to advanced courses available > in the Greater Worcester area that you would recommend? Thanks for > your help. Mark - meaton1(a)earthlink.net > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > End of Wlug Digest, Vol 10, Issue 14 > ************************************ > > _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Aug. 18, 2004

RE: [Wlug] Another distro Question

by Martin, Eric

I want to structure it as a more beginners class, more desktop type stuff than shell scripting. Targetting towards regular users who are frustrated with Word, getting virii left and right, etc. Eric -----Original Message----- From: Andrew Robert [mailto:arobert@dhcp-0-7-e9-bc-5c-fc.cpe.townisp.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2004 9:24 AM To: Worcester Linux Users Group Subject: Re: [Wlug] Another distro Question Is this course as much about learning Unix/Linux commands or the distribution itself? I believe that virtually any Linux distribution could be a good choice if you are spending most of your time discussing how to use the command line and general administrative tasks. Once the command line basics and bash shell scripting is covered, specific distributions could be covered. I would then say that Fedora or Suse are good general choices. Slackware is good too but it is not necessarily for a new user. On Tue, 2004-08-17 at 09:04, Martin, Eric wrote: I'm teaching a Beginners Linux course in a few weeks for Nitelife with the Worc Pub Schools. I was almost ready to go with Fedora, but I don't think that has what I'm looking for. I want something easy for people to pickup, and I don't think RPMs don't give you the linux feel. I'm going to start out w/Knoppix, but I also want to get into a disk install. I've only used Gentoo, RHAT, and Knoppix. A friend mentioned SuSe, but I've never used it. Very open to suggestions, I want as people to enjoy this class, not think that linux is out of their grasp. So, the question is what distro would people recommend for beginners aside from Knoppix? Eric _____ _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org <http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug Thank you, Andrew Robert Systems Architect TS&S Infrastructure Support - OpenVMS Massachusetts Financial Services Phone: (617) 954-5882 Pager: (781) 764-7321

Aug. 18, 2004

Linux Training

by sonnyvn＠linus.mitre.org

Mark, In my opinion, classes are always out of date. When I first started with HPUX and Solaris, I was sent to classes. Afterward, I have found docs.sun.com and docs.hp.com has even more info than the classes (and they are free). For Linux, the www.linux.org with (www.tldp.org) website(s) have given me 80% of linux knowledge. Depending upon your distributions (mine is Redhat), I have found even more indepth documentations (pdf) from their website to do almost everything my Solaris and HP-UX can do (except Jumpstart and Ignite-UX). Hopes this helps a little. Sonny Nguyen > Send Wlug mailing list submissions to > wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > wlug-request(a)mail.wlug.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > wlug-owner(a)mail.wlug.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Wlug digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Linux Training (Mark Eaton) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 08:54:19 -0400 > From: "Mark Eaton" <meaton(a)sterilite.com> > Subject: [Wlug] Linux Training > To: <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> > Message-ID: > <C410352A9903E540B8FBE58DAEDDC09147E66B(a)shomail2k.sterilite.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > We are a manufacturing firm located in North Central Mass. We're > converting our Enterprise systems from Unix/Solaris & SUNs to Linux & > Intel's running clustered servers. We are pretty proficient at Solaris > but need to get up to speed on Linux fast. > I can't afford to have people out for 2 or 3 weeks to go to Red Hat for > formal training and that's about all I've found other than "buy our > CD's...". Are there some good intermediate to advanced courses available > in the Greater Worcester area that you would recommend? > Thanks for your help. > Mark - meaton1(a)earthlink.net > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > End of Wlug Digest, Vol 10, Issue 14 > ************************************ > >

Aug. 18, 2004

RE: [Wlug] Another distro Question

by frank p

> disk partitioning to make room for linux if I want to cover dual boots? > Iknow there's partition magic for windows, but I wanted something > freesoftware / opensource. I've often used qtparted for resizing winXP and win2k partitions without problem. What's also nice about it is the availability of a bootable rescue CD with this utility: www.sysresccd.org -frank p

Aug. 18, 2004

Linux Training

by Mark Eaton

We are a manufacturing firm located in North Central Mass. We're converting our Enterprise systems from Unix/Solaris & SUNs to Linux & Intel's running clustered servers. We are pretty proficient at Solaris but need to get up to speed on Linux fast. I can't afford to have people out for 2 or 3 weeks to go to Red Hat for formal training and that's about all I've found other than "buy our CD's...". Are there some good intermediate to advanced courses available in the Greater Worcester area that you would recommend? Thanks for your help. Mark - meaton1(a)earthlink.net

Aug. 18, 2004

RE: [Wlug] Another distro Question

by Martin, Eric

Awesome! Thanks! -----Original Message----- From: Brian Waite [mailto:linwoes@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2004 8:19 AM To: Worcester Linux Users Group Subject: Re: [Wlug] Another distro Question On Wed, 18 Aug 2004 08:21:19 -0400, Martin, Eric <martine(a)worc.k12.ma.us> wrote: > What I'm probably going to do is have some older boxes that we can run > linux on, but the lab computers I'm going to use Knoppix (to avoid > that problem). Also, I was just thinking, are there any good free > software packages for disk partitioning to make room for linux if I > want to cover dual boots? Iknow there's partition magic for windows, > but I wanted something freesoftware / opensource. > > Eric > Eric, qtparted works great. There is a good HOWTO on the web, whose URL escapes me, that exaplains you to resize NTFS partitions and also recover if something goes wrong. I have resized 2 WinXP disks with any problems. Thanks Brian > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Andy Stewart [mailto:andystewart@comcast.net] > Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2004 6:14 PM > To: Worcester Linux Users Group > Subject: Re: [Wlug] Another distro Question > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > On Tuesday 17 August 2004 9:04 am, Martin, Eric wrote: > > I'm teaching a Beginners Linux course in a few weeks for Nitelife > > with the Worc Pub Schools. I was almost ready to go with Fedora, > > but I don't think that has what I'm looking for. I want something > > easy for people to pickup, and I don't think RPMs don't give you the > > linux feel. I'm going to start out w/Knoppix, but I also want to > > get into a disk install. I've only used Gentoo, RHAT, and Knoppix. > > A friend mentioned SuSe, but I've never used it. Very open to > > suggestions, I want as people to enjoy this class, not think that > > linux is out of their grasp. So, the question is what distro would > > people recommend for beginners aside from Knoppix? > > > > Eric > > HI Eric, > > Are you actually going to be allowed to obliterate the existing hard > drive contents on the computers for this Linux class? If so, that's > actually a good thing! > > I teach an intro course for the Chelmsford Community Education > program, and I'm not allowed to blow away Windows on their hard drives > (shucks...). So, I stick with Knoppix and user level concepts and it > has worked out rather well. > > Later, > > Andy > > - -- > Andy Stewart, Founder > Worcester Linux Users' Group > Worcester, MA USA > http://www.wlug.org > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) > > iD8DBQFBIoMPHl0iXDssISsRAjhwAJ0dy1gHGR4xp2mECx/P3QsMDVA7BgCfSlmC > 5j7MiYpm0+Hz2AHNX7gXbm8= > =yCuv > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Aug. 18, 2004

RE: [Wlug] Another distro Question

by Martin, Eric

What I'm probably going to do is have some older boxes that we can run linux on, but the lab computers I'm going to use Knoppix (to avoid that problem). Also, I was just thinking, are there any good free software packages for disk partitioning to make room for linux if I want to cover dual boots? Iknow there's partition magic for windows, but I wanted something freesoftware / opensource. Eric -----Original Message----- From: Andy Stewart [mailto:andystewart@comcast.net] Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2004 6:14 PM To: Worcester Linux Users Group Subject: Re: [Wlug] Another distro Question -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Tuesday 17 August 2004 9:04 am, Martin, Eric wrote: > I'm teaching a Beginners Linux course in a few weeks for Nitelife with > the Worc Pub Schools. I was almost ready to go with Fedora, but I > don't think that has what I'm looking for. I want something easy for > people to pickup, and I don't think RPMs don't give you the linux > feel. I'm going to start out w/Knoppix, but I also want to get into a > disk install. I've only used Gentoo, RHAT, and Knoppix. A friend > mentioned SuSe, but I've never used it. Very open to suggestions, I > want as people to enjoy this class, not think that linux is out of > their grasp. So, the question is what distro would people recommend > for beginners aside from Knoppix? > > Eric HI Eric, Are you actually going to be allowed to obliterate the existing hard drive contents on the computers for this Linux class? If so, that's actually a good thing! I teach an intro course for the Chelmsford Community Education program, and I'm not allowed to blow away Windows on their hard drives (shucks...). So, I stick with Knoppix and user level concepts and it has worked out rather well. Later, Andy - -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA USA http://www.wlug.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFBIoMPHl0iXDssISsRAjhwAJ0dy1gHGR4xp2mECx/P3QsMDVA7BgCfSlmC 5j7MiYpm0+Hz2AHNX7gXbm8= =yCuv -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Aug. 18, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Another distro Question

by Brian Waite

On Wed, 18 Aug 2004 08:21:19 -0400, Martin, Eric <martine(a)worc.k12.ma.us> wrote: > What I'm probably going to do is have some older boxes that we can run linux > on, but the lab computers I'm going to use Knoppix (to avoid that problem). > Also, I was just thinking, are there any good free software packages for > disk partitioning to make room for linux if I want to cover dual boots? > Iknow there's partition magic for windows, but I wanted something > freesoftware / opensource. > > Eric > Eric, qtparted works great. There is a good HOWTO on the web, whose URL escapes me, that exaplains you to resize NTFS partitions and also recover if something goes wrong. I have resized 2 WinXP disks with any problems. Thanks Brian > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Andy Stewart [mailto:andystewart@comcast.net] > Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2004 6:14 PM > To: Worcester Linux Users Group > Subject: Re: [Wlug] Another distro Question > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > On Tuesday 17 August 2004 9:04 am, Martin, Eric wrote: > > I'm teaching a Beginners Linux course in a few weeks for Nitelife with > > the Worc Pub Schools. I was almost ready to go with Fedora, but I > > don't think that has what I'm looking for. I want something easy for > > people to pickup, and I don't think RPMs don't give you the linux > > feel. I'm going to start out w/Knoppix, but I also want to get into a > > disk install. I've only used Gentoo, RHAT, and Knoppix. A friend > > mentioned SuSe, but I've never used it. Very open to suggestions, I > > want as people to enjoy this class, not think that linux is out of > > their grasp. So, the question is what distro would people recommend > > for beginners aside from Knoppix? > > > > Eric > > HI Eric, > > Are you actually going to be allowed to obliterate the existing hard drive > contents on the computers for this Linux class? If so, that's actually a > good thing! > > I teach an intro course for the Chelmsford Community Education program, and > I'm not allowed to blow away Windows on their hard drives (shucks...). So, > I > stick with Knoppix and user level concepts and it has worked out rather > well. > > Later, > > Andy > > - -- > Andy Stewart, Founder > Worcester Linux Users' Group > Worcester, MA USA > http://www.wlug.org > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) > > iD8DBQFBIoMPHl0iXDssISsRAjhwAJ0dy1gHGR4xp2mECx/P3QsMDVA7BgCfSlmC > 5j7MiYpm0+Hz2AHNX7gXbm8= > =yCuv > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

Aug. 18, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Re: Another distro Question

by Frank Rizzo

> > I'm teaching a Beginners Linux course in a few weeks for Nitelife with > > the Worc Pub Schools. I was almost ready to go with Fedora, but I > > don't think that has what I'm looking for. I want something easy for > > people to pickup, and I don't think RPMs don't give you the linux > > feel. I'm going to start out w/Knoppix, but I also want to get into a > > disk install. I've only used Gentoo, RHAT, and Knoppix. A friend > > mentioned SuSe, but I've never used it. Very open to suggestions, I > > want as people to enjoy this class, not think that linux is out of > > their grasp. So, the question is what distro would people recommend > > for beginners aside from Knoppix? I would say Slackware would be a good distro to show people Linux. It's simple, secure, and stable. It does have the tgz packages, but you dont have to use them. The only problem is the install is not as pretty as some of the other distros. -Joe

Aug. 18, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Another distro Question

by Andy Stewart

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Tuesday 17 August 2004 9:04 am, Martin, Eric wrote: > I'm teaching a Beginners Linux course in a few weeks for Nitelife with the > Worc Pub Schools. I was almost ready to go with Fedora, but I don't think > that has what I'm looking for. I want something easy for people to pickup, > and I don't think RPMs don't give you the linux feel. I'm going to start > out w/Knoppix, but I also want to get into a disk install. I've only used > Gentoo, RHAT, and Knoppix. A friend mentioned SuSe, but I've never used > it. Very open to suggestions, I want as people to enjoy this class, not > think that linux is out of their grasp. So, the question is what distro > would people recommend for beginners aside from Knoppix? > > Eric HI Eric, Are you actually going to be allowed to obliterate the existing hard drive contents on the computers for this Linux class? If so, that's actually a good thing! I teach an intro course for the Chelmsford Community Education program, and I'm not allowed to blow away Windows on their hard drives (shucks...). So, I stick with Knoppix and user level concepts and it has worked out rather well. Later, Andy - -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA USA http://www.wlug.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFBIoMPHl0iXDssISsRAjhwAJ0dy1gHGR4xp2mECx/P3QsMDVA7BgCfSlmC 5j7MiYpm0+Hz2AHNX7gXbm8= =yCuv -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

Aug. 17, 2004

Re: Another distro Question

by Bob George

Martin, Eric wrote: > I'm teaching a Beginners Linux course in a few weeks for Nitelife with > the Worc Pub Schools. I was almost ready to go with Fedora, but I > don't think that has what I'm looking for. I want something easy for > people to pickup, and I don't think RPMs don't give you the linux > feel. I'm going to start out w/Knoppix, but I also want to get into a > disk install. I've only used Gentoo, RHAT, and Knoppix. A friend > mentioned SuSe, but I've never used it. Very open to suggestions, I > want as people to enjoy this class, not think that linux is out of > their grasp. So, the question is what distro would people recommend > for beginners aside from Knoppix? > The knoppix 3.4 hard disk install with the "debian" option gives you a very nicely configured system that should more-or-less work on most modern hardware. It is NOT debian, although based on debian, but for your purposes should be just fine. Be advised that getting it to a normal debian state is NOT trivial, although the results can be quite satisfying. So if you're going to use knoppix to start with, continuing on with the hd install will give the same features and look while allowing further customization. Just keep in mind that it's not *really* debian, and some updates can give headaches. It's not also notably secure. - Bob

Aug. 17, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Another distro Question

by Andrew Robert

Is this course as much about learning Unix/Linux commands or the distribution itself? I believe that virtually any Linux distribution could be a good choice if you are spending most of your time discussing how to use the command line and general administrative tasks. Once the command line basics and bash shell scripting is covered, specific distributions could be covered. I would then say that Fedora or Suse are good general choices. Slackware is good too but it is not necessarily for a new user. On Tue, 2004-08-17 at 09:04, Martin, Eric wrote: > I'm teaching a Beginners Linux course in a few weeks for Nitelife with > the Worc Pub Schools. I was almost ready to go with Fedora, but I > don't think that has what I'm looking for. I want something easy for > people to pickup, and I don't think RPMs don't give you the linux > feel. I'm going to start out w/Knoppix, but I also want to get into a > disk install. I've only used Gentoo, RHAT, and Knoppix. A friend > mentioned SuSe, but I've never used it. Very open to suggestions, I > want as people to enjoy this class, not think that linux is out of > their grasp. So, the question is what distro would people recommend > for beginners aside from Knoppix? > > Eric > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug Thank you, Andrew Robert Systems Architect TS&S Infrastructure Support - OpenVMS Massachusetts Financial Services Phone: (617) 954-5882 Pager: (781) 764-7321

Aug. 17, 2004

Installfest/bakeoff

by Brian Waite

With this talk of different distros lately, I was wondering if anyone was interested do an installfest and/or a distro bakeoff Where we can all see how each distro install, behaves, and how the HW support is. I for one would enjoy trying to install some distros on random machines. Any thoughts? Thanks Brian

Aug. 17, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Another distro Question

by Mike Leo

Suse is a good looking distro....pretty icons and colorful screens. Mandrake 10 is also full of eye candy. Fedora Core is really dry and bland...if you want to show people cool stuff, i'd avoid it as you are. Knoppix is harddrive installable, too, if you want. Mepis has a livecd too but I forget how that looks....i think it was colorful as well. --- "Martin, Eric" <MartinE(a)worc.k12.ma.us> wrote: > I'm teaching a Beginners Linux course in a few weeks > for Nitelife with the > Worc Pub Schools. I was almost ready to go with > Fedora, but I don't think > that has what I'm looking for. I want something > easy for people to pickup, > and I don't think RPMs don't give you the linux > feel. I'm going to start > out w/Knoppix, but I also want to get into a disk > install. I've only used > Gentoo, RHAT, and Knoppix. A friend mentioned SuSe, > but I've never used it. > Very open to suggestions, I want as people to enjoy > this class, not think > that linux is out of their grasp. So, the question > is what distro would > people recommend for beginners aside from Knoppix? > > Eric > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail

Aug. 17, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Another distro Question

by Brian Waite

----- Original Message ----- From: Martin, Eric <martine(a)worc.k12.ma.us> Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 09:04:51 -0400 Subject: [Wlug] Another distro Question To: Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> I'm teaching a Beginners Linux course in a few weeks for Nitelife with the Worc Pub Schools. I was almost ready to go with Fedora, but I don't think that has what I'm looking for. I want something easy for people to pickup, and I don't think RPMs don't give you the linux feel. I'm going to start out w/Knoppix, but I also want to get into a disk install. I've only used Gentoo, RHAT, and Knoppix. A friend mentioned SuSe, but I've never used it. Very open to suggestions, I want as people to enjoy this class, not think that linux is out of their grasp. So, the question is what distro would people recommend for beginners aside from Knoppix? Eric, Are you familair with the Knoppix hdinstall? It is not 100% perfect yet, but sometimes that the linux feel :). As it is using debain as its under pinnings, you can then show them how to migrate from knoppix to the debain stable/unstable repoistories and update their systems. If you are looking ofr more of a windows based installers where you answer some questions, install and don't touch it again, then they are all toss-ups. Why don't you think RPMS give you the Linux feel? If you are loking for the barebones to the metal feel go with Gentoo, but this I think will scare general users. Thanks Brian

Aug. 17, 2004

RE: [Wlug] Another distro Question

by JONATHAN BEALL

Aug. 17, 2004

Another distro Question

by Martin, Eric

I'm teaching a Beginners Linux course in a few weeks for Nitelife with the Worc Pub Schools. I was almost ready to go with Fedora, but I don't think that has what I'm looking for. I want something easy for people to pickup, and I don't think RPMs don't give you the linux feel. I'm going to start out w/Knoppix, but I also want to get into a disk install. I've only used Gentoo, RHAT, and Knoppix. A friend mentioned SuSe, but I've never used it. Very open to suggestions, I want as people to enjoy this class, not think that linux is out of their grasp. So, the question is what distro would people recommend for beginners aside from Knoppix? Eric

Aug. 17, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Linux distro for older hardware

by JONATHAN BEALL

Aug. 17, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Linux distro for older hardware

by Brian Waite

On Tue, 17 Aug 2004 07:40:37 -0400, Joel Desrochers <joelgroup(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > I second the vote for Slackware. > Text based install and overall performance make it my favorite for older > hardware. > Unfortunately I prefer 128 MB RAM minimum for console only and around 256MB > for X. > Memory is cheap though. > > I am still quite happy with my P300/384MB RAM with Slack. > Before Slackware, I toyed with a few minimalist distros (Peanut and Grey Cat > Linux but found most of them lacking in either reliability or application > packages/support). > > Two other tips on trying Linux and picking a distributionto try: > 1) Don't rule out Knoppix, the popular CD-ROM bootable distro. You can use > it on another box (possibly your current Windows 9X or XP) without modifying > anything on the hard disk. Also makes a great PC diagnostic tool. > http://www.knoppix.com/ > I am a huge fan of knoppix. I have used it since version 3.0. I find it is the most effective to test a system for hw support. The amazing thing is I run it on 2 laptops and most , if not all, the suspend/freq scaling works well out of the box. I usually do a hard drive install after I am happy with the functionality and it works great. > 2) Consider reading up on the many distros on one of the many websites that > list information. I would also consider debian. (knoppix is based on deb). The number of "requred" packages is very small with a huge set of optional packages. ou should be able to build a nice system even with lower horsepower. The nice thing about deb also is it gives you a very nice package install and dependency tracking system with apt. Nothing against Slack and its tar.gz but deb packages are really nice because they help with dependencices. Thanks Brian

Aug. 17, 2004

Linux distro for older hardware

by Joel Desrochers

I second the vote for Slackware. Text based install and overall performance make it my favorite for older hardware. Unfortunately I prefer 128 MB RAM minimum for console only and around 256MB for X. Memory is cheap though. I am still quite happy with my P300/384MB RAM with Slack. Before Slackware, I toyed with a few minimalist distros (Peanut and Grey Cat Linux but found most of them lacking in either reliability or application packages/support). Two other tips on trying Linux and picking a distributionto try: 1) Don't rule out Knoppix, the popular CD-ROM bootable distro. You can use it on another box (possibly your current Windows 9X or XP) without modifying anything on the hard disk. Also makes a great PC diagnostic tool. http://www.knoppix.com/ 2) Consider reading up on the many distros on one of the many websites that list information. These are my two favorites and I am sure there are many more. http://www.linux.org/dist/index.html http://www.distrowatch.com Joel _________________________________________________________________ Dont just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/

Aug. 17, 2004

Re: [Wlug] linux for older computers

by Mike Leo

well, if you want to go crazy sure...or try http://lfs-mirror.tpegg.org/lfs/news.html if you REALLY want to learn linux, and not just use linux! I am in the begining stages of lfs myself...plan on learning more than I thought possible --- Adam Keck <ghostis(a)mac.com> wrote: > Or you could roll your own distro: > > http://www-106.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/l-lwl1/ > > I did this with moderate success last Memorial Day > break for a 486 > laptop with 16mb of RAM and a 540 MB hard-drive. > Very fun. Requires a > second Linux machine of acceptable speed to compile > on and some sort of > working bootable removable media on the target > machine. In my case I > used the 1.44mb floppy. For easy of compiling, if > you are not > comfortable with building your own tool chain, I > recommend using an > older version of uclibc which builds gcc wrappers > for you. > > > -Adam > > On Aug 15, 2004, at 8:31 AM, Andrew Perry wrote: > > > > > Hi everyone. I have some older computers, > > the newest of the bunch being Celeron-566 MHz-64 > MB > > RAM, the oldest a 486-25 MHz- maybe 16 MB RAM > > and wonder if anyone could either > > > > a) recommend linux distributions for them > > or > > b) point me to a site with minimum hardware > > requirements for linux distributions > > > > Primarily my goal is to learn more about linux. > > I would prefer something sold for a nominal cost > on > > CD's. > > > > Cheapbytes.com sells Pink Tie 7.3,Mandrake 8.2, > > Debian 2.2 and some others for around $1 only, > > but offer no guidance as to the hardware > requirements. > > > > Thanks, > > Andrew > > > > ===== > > -Dr. Andrew B. Perry > > Assistant Prof. of Mathematics, Springfield > College > > 263 Alden St., Springfield MA 01109 > > _______________________________________________ > > Wlug mailing list > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail

Aug. 16, 2004

Re: [Wlug] linux for older computers

by Adam Keck

Or you could roll your own distro: http://www-106.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/l-lwl1/ I did this with moderate success last Memorial Day break for a 486 laptop with 16mb of RAM and a 540 MB hard-drive. Very fun. Requires a second Linux machine of acceptable speed to compile on and some sort of working bootable removable media on the target machine. In my case I used the 1.44mb floppy. For easy of compiling, if you are not comfortable with building your own tool chain, I recommend using an older version of uclibc which builds gcc wrappers for you. -Adam On Aug 15, 2004, at 8:31 AM, Andrew Perry wrote: > > Hi everyone. I have some older computers, > the newest of the bunch being Celeron-566 MHz-64 MB > RAM, the oldest a 486-25 MHz- maybe 16 MB RAM > and wonder if anyone could either > > a) recommend linux distributions for them > or > b) point me to a site with minimum hardware > requirements for linux distributions > > Primarily my goal is to learn more about linux. > I would prefer something sold for a nominal cost on > CD's. > > Cheapbytes.com sells Pink Tie 7.3,Mandrake 8.2, > Debian 2.2 and some others for around $1 only, > but offer no guidance as to the hardware requirements. > > Thanks, > Andrew > > ===== > -Dr. Andrew B. Perry > Assistant Prof. of Mathematics, Springfield College > 263 Alden St., Springfield MA 01109 > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Aug. 15, 2004

Re: [Wlug] linux for older computers

by Andrew Robert

I was wondering if you had considered Knoppix? It can be run from the CD or be installed on the hard drive. Requirements for this are pretty small. i486+ processor 16MB RAM (text mode) 96MB RAM (graphics mode) Bootable CD-ROM Standard SVGA graphics card PS2 or USB mouse You can read up more on Knoppix at http://www.knopper.net/knoppix/index-en.html . Thank you, Andrew Robert Systems Architect TS&S Infrastructure Support - OpenVMS Massachusetts Financial Services Phone: (617) 954-5882 Pager: (781) 764-7321

Aug. 15, 2004

Re: [Wlug] linux for older computers

by Jeff Kinz

On Sun, Aug 15, 2004 at 05:31:28AM -0700, Andrew Perry wrote: > > Hi everyone. I have some older computers, > the newest of the bunch being Celeron-566 MHz-64 MB > RAM, the oldest a 486-25 MHz- maybe 16 MB RAM > and wonder if anyone could either > > a) recommend linux distributions for them > or > b) point me to a site with minimum hardware > requirements for linux distributions > > Primarily my goal is to learn more about linux. > I would prefer something sold for a nominal cost on > CD's. The RULE project produces a redhat based distro re-configured for use with "smaller hardware" configurations. Its here: http://www.rule-project.org/ -- Linux/Open Source. Now all your base belongs to you, for free. ============================================================ Idealism: "Realism applied over a longer time period" Jeff Kinz, Emergent Research, Hudson, MA.

Aug. 15, 2004

Re: [Wlug] linux for older computers

by Charles R. Anderson

On Sun, Aug 15, 2004 at 12:47:30PM -0400, Andy Stewart wrote: > One problem which I have discovered is that modern distributions have large > memory requirements just for the darn graphical installer(!). You might need > to find a distribution that still has either a graphically light installer or > perhaps a text based installer. I believe SuSE still has a text based > installer, and I think Slakware's installer is "graphically light" (its > ncurses, isn't it?). Actually, for RPM-based distros, or at least Anaconda-installer-based ones (Red Hat, Fedora Core) a large part of the memory requirement isn't the graphical installer, but the RPM transaction set size. Even text-based installs of these distros can use 64MB or more just for the installer.

Aug. 15, 2004

Re: [Wlug] linux for older computers

by Andy Stewart

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Sunday 15 August 2004 8:31 am, Andrew Perry wrote: > Hi everyone. I have some older computers, > the newest of the bunch being Celeron-566 MHz-64 MB > RAM, the oldest a 486-25 MHz- maybe 16 MB RAM > and wonder if anyone could either > > a) recommend linux distributions for them > or > b) point me to a site with minimum hardware > requirements for linux distributions Hi Andrew, One problem which I have discovered is that modern distributions have large memory requirements just for the darn graphical installer(!). You might need to find a distribution that still has either a graphically light installer or perhaps a text based installer. I believe SuSE still has a text based installer, and I think Slakware's installer is "graphically light" (its ncurses, isn't it?). In addition, if you want a graphical environment, you would want to consider using window managers such as FVWM(2), blackbox, icewm, etc. (or anything that requires a small amount of memory). 64 MB isn't so bad as long as you have a fair amount of swap space and don't run applications which are memory hogs. I suspect that KDE or GNOME would run unacceptably slowly in 64 MB. Later, Andy - -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA USA http://www.wlug.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFBH5OjHl0iXDssISsRAjaRAJ9i7Wz3mpYb8LPDiWFeX0E6wxf/aACfUiNF R/omYcXy6Wglxr2DEnqB0dI= =vmqG -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

Aug. 15, 2004

Re: [Wlug] linux for older computers

by frank p

The usual response: it depends. Do you want to have a nice graphical interface to a bunch of system utilities? Do you need just a command line interface to get a feel for linux command-line? When you say that you are looking to "learn more about linux", do you mean from an administrative perspective or a developer perspective or an applications perspective...? IMHO, in general... On the really old machines, you could probably put a minimalistic install of any number of distributions. I tend to favor Debian there, especially since it installs nicely (if you know what you're doing) into 300MB of space. I'd say anything 300Mhz and above should be able to run any of the really graphical-based distros (redhat, fedora, mandrake, suse)... though disk space will be a large factore, I'm sure. hope that helps, somewhat -frank p On Sun, 15 Aug 2004, Andrew Perry wrote: > > Hi everyone. I have some older computers, > the newest of the bunch being Celeron-566 MHz-64 MB > RAM, the oldest a 486-25 MHz- maybe 16 MB RAM > and wonder if anyone could either > > a) recommend linux distributions for them > or > b) point me to a site with minimum hardware > requirements for linux distributions > > Primarily my goal is to learn more about linux. > I would prefer something sold for a nominal cost on > CD's. > > Cheapbytes.com sells Pink Tie 7.3,Mandrake 8.2, > Debian 2.2 and some others for around $1 only, > but offer no guidance as to the hardware requirements. > > Thanks, > Andrew

Aug. 15, 2004

Re: [Wlug] linux for older computers

by Mike Leo

i recommend slackware, but don't know the hardware requirements, but this is the minimum hardware per the site: 386 processor 16MB RAM 50 megabytes of hard disk space 3.5" floppy drive You can obtain it here: http://www.slackware.org/getslack/ I recommend it since I was using Redhat for a long time and tried slack just about a month ago. Slackware is incredibly much faster (is that a sentence?). I was ammazed at its speed and quickness. It is small and streamlined and more generic to linux. I know redhat, but it is hard to get around in other distro's since Redhat does things so differently. --- Andrew Perry <perryand(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > Hi everyone. I have some older computers, > the newest of the bunch being Celeron-566 MHz-64 MB > RAM, the oldest a 486-25 MHz- maybe 16 MB RAM > and wonder if anyone could either > > a) recommend linux distributions for them > or > b) point me to a site with minimum hardware > requirements for linux distributions > > Primarily my goal is to learn more about linux. > I would prefer something sold for a nominal cost on > CD's. > > Cheapbytes.com sells Pink Tie 7.3,Mandrake 8.2, > Debian 2.2 and some others for around $1 only, > but offer no guidance as to the hardware > requirements. > > Thanks, > Andrew > > ===== > -Dr. Andrew B. Perry > Assistant Prof. of Mathematics, Springfield College > 263 Alden St., Springfield MA 01109 > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail

Aug. 15, 2004

linux for older computers

by Andrew Perry

Hi everyone. I have some older computers, the newest of the bunch being Celeron-566 MHz-64 MB RAM, the oldest a 486-25 MHz- maybe 16 MB RAM and wonder if anyone could either a) recommend linux distributions for them or b) point me to a site with minimum hardware requirements for linux distributions Primarily my goal is to learn more about linux. I would prefer something sold for a nominal cost on CD's. Cheapbytes.com sells Pink Tie 7.3,Mandrake 8.2, Debian 2.2 and some others for around $1 only, but offer no guidance as to the hardware requirements. Thanks, Andrew ===== -Dr. Andrew B. Perry Assistant Prof. of Mathematics, Springfield College 263 Alden St., Springfield MA 01109

Aug. 15, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Does anyone know of any phones have the ability to sync with linux?

by Mike Leo

check this out: http://bitpim.sourceforge.net/ haven't tried it yet myself in linux --- Arturo <postgres(a)sedo.net> wrote: > Hi All, > I've been searching for a cell phone and I wanted to > know if anyone knows of > one that has the ability to synchronize with linux. > More specifically, I > need the ability to synchronize the address book. > Synchronization of the > calendar as well would be really slick. > > A dream come true would be if anyone knows of a > program that can sync Nokia > 6800 or the Motorolla v300 with evolution or kmail? > > Any thoughts? > > Arturo > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail

Aug. 15, 2004

Does anyone know of any phones have the ability to sync with linux?

by Arturo

Hi All, I've been searching for a cell phone and I wanted to know if anyone knows of one that has the ability to synchronize with linux. More specifically, I need the ability to synchronize the address book. Synchronization of the calendar as well would be really slick. A dream come true would be if anyone knows of a program that can sync Nokia 6800 or the Motorolla v300 with evolution or kmail? Any thoughts? Arturo

Aug. 15, 2004

Question on privoxy

by Andrew Robert

Hi Everyone, I just installed the privoxy proxy server and configured my Opera browser v7.54 to use 127.0.0.1 under Fedora Core2. It works great but the "blocked by" messages are somewhat annoying. Does anyone know a quick way to eliminate seeing these? Any help you can provide would be greatly appreciated. -- Thank you, Andrew Robert Systems Architect TS&S Infrastructure Support - OpenVMS Massachusetts Financial Services Phone: (617) 954-5882 Pager: (781) 764-7321 Linux user : #201204

Aug. 13, 2004

has anyone work with xwindows and svideo out display (tv)

by Sonny Nguyen

just asking...and testing...I have been trying to post stuff and keep getting email bounces. Sonny Nguyen

Aug. 13, 2004

fedora core 1 or 2 with lirc remote control program

by Sonny Nguyen

Any anyone done anything with lirc? Sonny Nguyen

Aug. 13, 2004

Fedora core 1 or 2 with Lirc remote control program

by Sonny Nguyen

Has anyone work with the lirc program with Fedora core 1 or 2. If you have seen this more than once.Please ignore the previous. Thanks. Sonny Nguyen

Aug. 13, 2004

New currency(?)

by Andy Stewart

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Aug. 12, 2004

Re: [Wlug] C gurus

by Brian Waite

On Wed, 11 Aug 2004 09:43:56 -0400, Chuck Haines <chaines(a)gmail.com> wrote: > For all you C gurus out there. I'm working on a little program that > when an event occurs, it dials out a Verizon Wireless AirCard, does > it's thing and then when all events are done, the last event close the > card. To close the ppp connection you send it a Ctrl-C, which I'm > doing, however it is never working. The code I'm using is as follows: > > void *sound_alarm ( void * rd_struct ) > { > RADSPY_STRUCT *ptr_rd_struct; > ptr_rd_struct = ( RADSPY_STRUCT * ) rd_struct; > /* lock the modem_in_use variable to check to dial modem */ > pthread_mutex_lock ( &modem_mutex ); > if ( modem_in_use++ == 0 ) > { > /* we need to dial out the modem */ > printf ( "Dialing the modem: %d\n", modem_in_use ); > modem_pid = fork(); > if ( 0 == modem_pid ) > { > int ret; > /* we are the child so dial out the modem */ > ret = execl ( "/usr/sbin/pppd", "pppd", "call", "ac555qnc", NULL ); > if ( -1 == ret ) > printf ( "Problem dialing modem: %s\n", strerror ( errno ) ); > printf ( "Got here.\n" ); > exit ( 0 ); > } > /* hack to wait enough time to let the modem dial */ > sleep ( 10 ); > } > pthread_mutex_unlock ( &modem_mutex ); > /* perform the sending of the data */ > printf ( "Sounding the alarm: %d.\n", modem_in_use ); > sleep ( 1 ); /* code to send away alarms will go here, > sleep for now */ > /* release the modem in use */ > pthread_mutex_lock ( &modem_mutex ); > if ( --modem_in_use == 0 ) > { > /* we need to hangup the modem */ > printf ("Hanging up the modem: %d\n", modem_in_use ); > kill ( SIGINT, modem_pid ); > } > pthread_mutex_unlock ( &modem_mutex ); > > pthread_exit ( (void *) 0 ); > } > > This function is a thread that is spawned by the main loop when an > event occurs. This event can occur multiple times, which is why I > have the shared variable of how many events are currently occuring > (modem_in_use). When I run this program, I'm always getting an error > about the modem being locked by pid XXX, so it's never being closed. > Anyone have any experience with this kinda thing? > > Chuck > > -- > Chuck Haines > chaines(a)gmail.com > ------------------------------------------- > Tau Kappa Epsilon Fraternity > WPI Class of 2005 > ------------------------------------------- > AIM: CyberGrex > YIM: CyberGrex_27 > ICQ: 3707881 > ------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > What does the parent process look like? How do you spawn the child? If I remember correctly you need to either do a pthread_join() or detach the child from the parent using pthread_attr_init() before spawning the thread to completely clean up the child thread. Thanks Brian

Aug. 11, 2004

C gurus

by Chuck Haines

For all you C gurus out there. I'm working on a little program that when an event occurs, it dials out a Verizon Wireless AirCard, does it's thing and then when all events are done, the last event close the card. To close the ppp connection you send it a Ctrl-C, which I'm doing, however it is never working. The code I'm using is as follows: void *sound_alarm ( void * rd_struct ) { RADSPY_STRUCT *ptr_rd_struct; ptr_rd_struct = ( RADSPY_STRUCT * ) rd_struct; /* lock the modem_in_use variable to check to dial modem */ pthread_mutex_lock ( &modem_mutex ); if ( modem_in_use++ == 0 ) { /* we need to dial out the modem */ printf ( "Dialing the modem: %d\n", modem_in_use ); modem_pid = fork(); if ( 0 == modem_pid ) { int ret; /* we are the child so dial out the modem */ ret = execl ( "/usr/sbin/pppd", "pppd", "call", "ac555qnc", NULL ); if ( -1 == ret ) printf ( "Problem dialing modem: %s\n", strerror ( errno ) ); printf ( "Got here.\n" ); exit ( 0 ); } /* hack to wait enough time to let the modem dial */ sleep ( 10 ); } pthread_mutex_unlock ( &modem_mutex ); /* perform the sending of the data */ printf ( "Sounding the alarm: %d.\n", modem_in_use ); sleep ( 1 ); /* code to send away alarms will go here, sleep for now */ /* release the modem in use */ pthread_mutex_lock ( &modem_mutex ); if ( --modem_in_use == 0 ) { /* we need to hangup the modem */ printf ("Hanging up the modem: %d\n", modem_in_use ); kill ( SIGINT, modem_pid ); } pthread_mutex_unlock ( &modem_mutex ); pthread_exit ( (void *) 0 ); } This function is a thread that is spawned by the main loop when an event occurs. This event can occur multiple times, which is why I have the shared variable of how many events are currently occuring (modem_in_use). When I run this program, I'm always getting an error about the modem being locked by pid XXX, so it's never being closed. Anyone have any experience with this kinda thing? Chuck -- Chuck Haines chaines(a)gmail.com ------------------------------------------- Tau Kappa Epsilon Fraternity WPI Class of 2005 ------------------------------------------- AIM: CyberGrex YIM: CyberGrex_27 ICQ: 3707881 -------------------------------------------

Aug. 11, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Multiple platform blues...

by Chuck Haines

I've been using Linux in a predominately Microsoft office. I've found that OO works well for most things except when the document is highly dependent on Macro's and such. I have found that spending the money on Star Office did help solve some problems with incompatibilities I found, though I'm not sure why since it's based off OO 1.1.2. Overall, IMHO, getting use to the difference between OO and Word take some time since OO does page layouts differently, however I've found that now that I've learned it, I'm much more productive. I've also found that in the OO Spreadsheet, any check boxes done in MS Excel only seemed to work for me in Star Office. As for power point, I've never really had any problems. Just some of my thoughts, Chuck On Mon, 09 Aug 2004 08:54:03 -0400, Stephen C. Daukas <stephen(a)daukas.com> wrote: > Brett Russ wrote: > > > Great! Now for my next trick: try Firefox :-) Seriously, I've been > > running the combo for a long time now and see no reason to run Mozilla > > anymore, especially considering the future lies with the separates. > > I agree... I'll give it a try. > > > And in regards to the dynamic DNS issue, you don't actually need to > > pay $25 a year--they give you 5 free DDNS hosts for free--all you have > > to do is make sure you update them once a month (automate that with SW > > of course). > > I got the impression that you had to pay the annual fee if you wanted to > use your own domain... > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > -- Chuck Haines chaines(a)gmail.com ------------------------------------------- Tau Kappa Epsilon Fraternity WPI Class of 2005 ------------------------------------------- AIM: CyberGrex YIM: CyberGrex_27 ICQ: 3707881 -------------------------------------------

Aug. 11, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Logitech QuickCam Pro and Programming

by Marc Hughes

Check this out... http://www.linuxjournal.com/article.php?sid=6232 The "motion" project mentioned sounds similar to what you want. -Marc On Tue, 10 Aug 2004 12:24:06 -0400 (EDT), frank p <fspoz3(a)wpi.edu> wrote: > > I'm not sure if this is what you're looking for, but someone involved with > the local ACM student chapter wrote something in perl using the > Video4Linux API (at least that's what the website says: > http://www.acm.wpi.edu/~webcam/sincam/ > > -frank p > > > > On Tue, 10 Aug 2004, Chuck Haines wrote: > > > Hey guys, > > I recently got a Logitech QuickCam Pro and was thinking about > > doing some development work with it. I'd like to make a program that > > will take pictures when motion is detected or when I send it commands > > to do so. I'm currently looking to do it in C, so does anyone have > > any experience with this? I've done some googling and found some > > material but nothing that is really a how-to for the API for this > > kinda thing. Oh yea, I'm developing it on a laptop that runs Fedora > > Core 2, but I will eventually be porting it to an embedded computer > > (an Arcom GX-1 to be exact) which runs a flavor of RedHat 7.2 and > > kernel 2.4.18. > > > > Thanks, > > Chuck > > _______________________________________________ > > Wlug mailing list > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

Aug. 10, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Logitech QuickCam Pro and Programming

by frank p

I'm not sure if this is what you're looking for, but someone involved with the local ACM student chapter wrote something in perl using the Video4Linux API (at least that's what the website says: http://www.acm.wpi.edu/~webcam/sincam/ -frank p On Tue, 10 Aug 2004, Chuck Haines wrote: > Hey guys, > I recently got a Logitech QuickCam Pro and was thinking about > doing some development work with it. I'd like to make a program that > will take pictures when motion is detected or when I send it commands > to do so. I'm currently looking to do it in C, so does anyone have > any experience with this? I've done some googling and found some > material but nothing that is really a how-to for the API for this > kinda thing. Oh yea, I'm developing it on a laptop that runs Fedora > Core 2, but I will eventually be porting it to an embedded computer > (an Arcom GX-1 to be exact) which runs a flavor of RedHat 7.2 and > kernel 2.4.18. > > Thanks, > Chuck > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > >

Aug. 10, 2004

Logitech QuickCam Pro and Programming

by Chuck Haines

Hey guys, I recently got a Logitech QuickCam Pro and was thinking about doing some development work with it. I'd like to make a program that will take pictures when motion is detected or when I send it commands to do so. I'm currently looking to do it in C, so does anyone have any experience with this? I've done some googling and found some material but nothing that is really a how-to for the API for this kinda thing. Oh yea, I'm developing it on a laptop that runs Fedora Core 2, but I will eventually be porting it to an embedded computer (an Arcom GX-1 to be exact) which runs a flavor of RedHat 7.2 and kernel 2.4.18. Thanks, Chuck -- Chuck Haines chaines(a)gmail.com ------------------------------------------- Tau Kappa Epsilon Fraternity WPI Class of 2005 ------------------------------------------- AIM: CyberGrex YIM: CyberGrex_27 ICQ: 3707881 -------------------------------------------

Aug. 10, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Multiple platform blues...

by Dwight A. Ernest

Stephen C. Daukas wrote: > Brett Russ wrote: >> And in regards to the dynamic DNS issue, you don't actually need to >> pay $25 a year--they give you 5 free DDNS hosts for free--all you have >> to do is make sure you update them once a month (automate that with SW >> of course). > > I got the impression that you had to pay the annual fee if you wanted to > use your own domain... If that's true, just set up a CNAME in your zone records pointing your own domain name to their name. This is what I do and it works fine. -- Dwight A. Ernest, dwight at significant dot com GPG key A6999567 Cell: +1-508-523-1416 FAX: +1-978-405-2504 YIM: dwight_ernest RHCE #803004293310030 http://significant.com/~dwight/ KA2CNN Papa, partner, pilot, net geek, sysadmin, consultant, cohouser.

Aug. 9, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Multiple platform blues...

by Stephen C. Daukas

Brett Russ wrote: > Great! Now for my next trick: try Firefox :-) Seriously, I've been > running the combo for a long time now and see no reason to run Mozilla > anymore, especially considering the future lies with the separates. I agree... I'll give it a try. > And in regards to the dynamic DNS issue, you don't actually need to > pay $25 a year--they give you 5 free DDNS hosts for free--all you have > to do is make sure you update them once a month (automate that with SW > of course). I got the impression that you had to pay the annual fee if you wanted to use your own domain...

Aug. 9, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Multiple platform blues...

by Brett Russ

Stephen C. Daukas wrote: > Brett Russ wrote: > >> I'd recommend the latest Thunderbird as a mail user agent (MUA). >> They've got Win and Lin releases. > > I like thunderbird... Took in the Mozilla files nicely (as you would > expect given it is from the same folks). Great! Now for my next trick: try Firefox :-) Seriously, I've been running the combo for a long time now and see no reason to run Mozilla anymore, especially considering the future lies with the separates. And in regards to the dynamic DNS issue, you don't actually need to pay $25 a year--they give you 5 free DDNS hosts for free--all you have to do is make sure you update them once a month (automate that with SW of course). BR

Aug. 6, 2004

Job posting

by Mike Leo

Think this is my first mass-email but thought I would share with the group. I recruiter sent this to me today...i have no more information than what is listed below. If interested, I recommend communicating directly with the recruiter at winterwyman.com....he is Joe Kotlinski j jkotlinski(a)winterwyman.com--you can tell him Mike Leo sent you, for what ever that is worth. Good luck. "a successful start-up in the medical devices industry located in the MetroWest/495 area. They want to hire 3 desktop support people. The people they're seeking must have: 6-12 months of experience; Microsoft Networking, Windows 98/NT/2000/XP, and hands on knowledge of Microsoft Office, e-mail applications such as Outlook and Outlook Express and Internet Explorer; and a BS Degree. The base salary will probably max out in the low $40,000s." __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. We finish. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail

Aug. 6, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Multiple platform blues...

by Stephen C. Daukas

Brett Russ wrote: > > I'd recommend the latest Thunderbird as a mail user agent (MUA). > They've got Win and Lin releases. I like thunderbird... Took in the Mozilla files nicely (as you would expect given it is from the same folks).

Aug. 6, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Multiple platform blues...

by Stephen C. Daukas

Now that is a useful site! Thanks! Baris Hasdemir wrote: >Might be a side note... if not an answer to your questions: >http://migrate2linux.n-ix.com/groups/index.php > >baris > >On Thu, 2004-08-05 at 20:53, Stephen C. Daukas wrote: > > >>I'm sure my experience with platform-dependent apps as an impediment to >>moving entirely to Linux is not unique. <...> >> >> > > >_______________________________________________ >Wlug mailing list >Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > -- Stephen C. Daukas - stephen(a)daukas.com - http://daukas.com/

Aug. 6, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Multiple platform blues...

by Stephen C. Daukas

Thats sounds perfect. I will double check, but I do believe the systems are configured with OS X... Josh wrote: >Brett Russ <icycle(a)charter.net> writes: > > > >>>I want to be able to access any file created in any of the >>>three environments. I'd like to move files between the Macs >>>at work and one or more of my machines at home without using >>>Email (I want to avoid any constraints like size limitations >>>on attachments). I want to be able to pull and push those >>>files to whatever platform is needed for whatever needs to be >>>done with them. >>> >>> >>SAMBA is the best thing going. For UNIX boxes (I can't comment >>on Macs) I use mostly NFS but SMB works just as well and for >>multiple OS's. Also, rsync and SSH/SCP and/or a combination of >>the two work great. I know there's SSH clients for Win (putty) >>and probably Mac. >> >> > >If the systems are running Mac OS X, then you're in luck. It >comes with an nfs client (i.e., drop to the shell and just use >mount), and comes with openssh. I *think* rsync is also there >by default, but I could be wrong. >_______________________________________________ >Wlug mailing list >Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > -- Stephen C. Daukas - stephen(a)daukas.com - http://daukas.com/

Aug. 6, 2004

RE: [Wlug] Multiple platform blues...

by Martin, Eric

A1: OpenOffice works fine with word / powerpoint. Only catch is Password protected docs. A2: Samba works for me. Its wicked easy to learn (took me maybe a few hours). I run a 200GB samba server in my basement with ReiserFS as the file system. Windows likes it, *NIX can mount it, and I assume OSX can too. A3: Can't help, sorry :( -----Original Message----- From: Stephen C. Daukas [mailto:stephen@daukas.com] Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2004 8:54 PM To: WLUG Subject: [Wlug] Multiple platform blues... I'm sure my experience with platform-dependent apps as an impediment to moving entirely to Linux is not unique. I have spent plenty of time playing with Linux at home, but have always had to deal with platform-specific needs of employers, etc., so I have never been able to completely immerse myself in Linux. I'd still like to use Linux as my primary platform, but I have to deal with having to run quite specific apps in different environments. So, I'm looking to begin a discussion about how to set-up a home environment that is as much Linux-based as is possible while providing for the realities of platform-specific requirements. Of course, this is as much a discussion of applications as it is about platforms. I have 3 systems and 1 laptop at home, all of which are Pentium IIIs, one as fast as 800MHz (imagine that!), that are available for use in my home network. I must be able to run Internet Explorer 6.x (required for several web-enabled apps I must use on a regular basis), Word, and PowerPoint. My wife has a Pentium III laptop that must run XP because of her work, but it would be nice to have her access a linux file server for backup and such. (She also likes Linux games!) Also, I have a couple of laser printers and an ink jet that I would rather hang off of one print server. With an eye toward a home network that must include Microsoft and access to Macs at work, here are some questions to start this discussion off: Q1 - OpenOffice versus MS Office: I will need to be reading/editing/creating Word and Powerpoint files (as most of the world do). I will be getting files to edit, and be creating others from scratch. I teach, so the results are intended for display on an ActiveBoard with the expectation of touching the board (or clicking from the console) to follow a link embedded in a powerpoint slide yielding a movie clip, or web page, or whatever. I'm told I have control over the department's files, but not to the extent of choosing something other than MS, so I'd like to use OpenOffice as my primary environment and then generate MS files for use at the school. I assume OpenOffice can do what PowerPoint can do (within reason), but I can't afford the time to "fix" generated MS Office files to work in a Mac or XP environment. Are the any OpenOffice users out there that can comment on this? Q2 - Heterogeneous access: I want to be able to access any file created in any of the three environments. I'd like to move files between the Macs at work and one or more of my machines at home without using Email (I want to avoid any constraints like size limitations on attachments). I want to be able to pull and push those files to whatever platform is needed for whatever needs to be done with them. I assume VNC is available on the Mac, and that I would probably need to run SAMBA, but what are the options these days? I suppose I could set up a FTP server... I'd also like to drop the static IP because of cost, and have already moved the web site to a commercial provider... Q3 - Email: Of primary concern is moving existing email from the MS environment (laptop) to Linux. I am trying to find a way to export all of my email from Mozilla 1.6 to a file or files that can then be moved to a Linux box and imported/read by a mail reader there, but I can't seem to find a way to do this... There is no export function in Mozilla 1.6 and the mail files are not consistently ASCII (at least from what I've seen). I have even tried to use other mailers' ability to import from their competitors, in the hopes that one of them can do the export, but I have had no luck with any of them knowing about Mozilla. Does anyone know of a way to get email out of Mozilla into an ASCII file-based structure (or something equally vanilla) that can be read by a standard Linux reader? Beyond that specific issue, what would be the best way to handle email? Right now I limit myself to using one platform and POP only from it. This is because I can travel with the laptop and not all the servers I access allow IMAP. I retrieve mail from 7 different accounts and forwarding is not allowed (nor do I want to have to keep track of that). I don't mind having to do this, but I'm wondering about other options... Thanks for your sage advice! Steve _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Aug. 6, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Anyone proficient in Beowulf (cluster) installations?

by Brian Waite

I have been doing high performance large clusters for years now. I can proabably help you with some of the technical issues. How many nodes do you want to run? Whats; the interconnect. I'd love to be of ay help I can Thanks Brian On Fri, 06 Aug 2004 10:35:17 -0400, Dwight A. Ernest <dwight(a)significant.com> wrote: > I may need some help with a Beowulf cluster, with which I personally > have no experience; I'd love to hear if anyone on this list has any > relevant experience. Thanks! > > -- > Dwight A. Ernest, dwight at significant dot com GPG key A6999567 > Cell: +1-508-523-1416 FAX: +1-978-405-2504 YIM: dwight_ernest > RHCE #803004293310030 http://significant.com/~dwight/ KA2CNN > Papa, partner, pilot, net geek, sysadmin, consultant, cohouser. > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

Aug. 6, 2004

Anyone proficient in Beowulf (cluster) installations?

by Dwight A. Ernest

I may need some help with a Beowulf cluster, with which I personally have no experience; I'd love to hear if anyone on this list has any relevant experience. Thanks! -- Dwight A. Ernest, dwight at significant dot com GPG key A6999567 Cell: +1-508-523-1416 FAX: +1-978-405-2504 YIM: dwight_ernest RHCE #803004293310030 http://significant.com/~dwight/ KA2CNN Papa, partner, pilot, net geek, sysadmin, consultant, cohouser.

Aug. 6, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Multiple platform blues...

by Baris Hasdemir

Might be a side note... if not an answer to your questions: http://migrate2linux.n-ix.com/groups/index.php baris On Thu, 2004-08-05 at 20:53, Stephen C. Daukas wrote: > I'm sure my experience with platform-dependent apps as an impediment to > moving entirely to Linux is not unique. <...>

Aug. 6, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Multiple platform blues...

by Josh

Brett Russ <icycle(a)charter.net> writes: >> I want to be able to access any file created in any of the >> three environments. I'd like to move files between the Macs >> at work and one or more of my machines at home without using >> Email (I want to avoid any constraints like size limitations >> on attachments). I want to be able to pull and push those >> files to whatever platform is needed for whatever needs to be >> done with them. > > SAMBA is the best thing going. For UNIX boxes (I can't comment > on Macs) I use mostly NFS but SMB works just as well and for > multiple OS's. Also, rsync and SSH/SCP and/or a combination of > the two work great. I know there's SSH clients for Win (putty) > and probably Mac. If the systems are running Mac OS X, then you're in luck. It comes with an nfs client (i.e., drop to the shell and just use mount), and comes with openssh. I *think* rsync is also there by default, but I could be wrong.

Aug. 6, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Multiple platform blues...

by Stephen C. Daukas

Brett Russ wrote: > Stephen C. Daukas wrote: > >> Q1 - OpenOffice versus MS Office: > > What you're going to find is that OO is quite compatible with a few > exceptions. [snip] This is what I hear. In fact, my father-in-law likes to tell of trying to read an older MS Office file using a newer version of MS Office without success, but was able to read it in OO... I hadn't thought about saving MS presentations as rtf, for example... Something to play with I suppose. [snip] >> I'd also like to drop the static IP because of cost, and have already >> moved the web site to a commercial provider... > > No need for static IP with all of the dynamic DNS providers out > there. Check out http://www.dyndns.org/ right here in Worcester. > Then use the ddclient daemon (or similar) to keep it up to date. Thanks! I hadn't heard about dyndns...$25 per year is a lot less than paying for a static IP!! >> Q3 - Email: > > This is the easiest one yet! Mozilla stores mail in the mbox format, > [snip] > You don't need the <folder>.msf files, those are only Mozilla internal > tracking stuff. > > I'd recommend the latest Thunderbird as a mail user agent (MUA). > They've got Win and Lin releases. Yes, I noticed the file structure but wasn't sure about attachments and how they are treated in Mozilla. Looks like they are just in-line to me. >> Beyond that specific issue, what would be the best way to handle >> email? Right now I limit myself to using one platform and POP only >> from it. This is because I can travel with the laptop and not all >> the servers I access allow IMAP. I retrieve mail from 7 different >> accounts and forwarding is not allowed (nor do I want to have to keep >> track of that). I don't mind having to do this, but I'm wondering >> about other options... > > Well, if I had the time and motivation, what I want to do is suck all > mail onto my home server and export it via IMAP over SSL so I can > access it from anywhere and only have 1 copy to worry about. Charter > (my ISP) used to allow IMAP to it's mail server, but recently that was > turned off and I'm back to POP hell where I have to delete messages > multiple times since multiple machines are checking mail all the > time. IMAP is superior, if you can use it or provide it to yourself > then go that route. This is exactly where I ended up when I decided that I do not want to have to set-up and run my own services. What about pointing the agent at a file structure that lives on another machine, can that be done with Thunderbird? If so, then all the POPing can be done on one machine... Then again, I have been leaving the messages on the various servers under POP3 except for the one machine at home where the email is actually removed from the server after download. This can be problematic with size limits on some of the mail servers though... Steve

Aug. 6, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Multiple platform blues...

by Bill Mills-Curran

On Thu, Aug 05, 2004 at 10:20:22PM -0400, Brett Russ wrote: <snip> > Well, if I had the time and motivation, what I want to do is suck all > mail onto my home server and export it via IMAP over SSL so I can access > it from anywhere and only have 1 copy to worry about. Charter (my ISP) > used to allow IMAP to it's mail server, but recently that was turned off > and I'm back to POP hell where I have to delete messages multiple times > since multiple machines are checking mail all the time. IMAP is > superior, if you can use it or provide it to yourself then go that route. > > HTH. > BR Brett, I just abandoned charter in favor of verizon dsl. I was tired of the expensive package deals, and I gave up cable entirely. I'm saving $80/month and getting better speed. I don't use their email at all -- I have an account at Westhost $8/month, so I'm not dependent on any specific connection provider. Westhost has pop3, but I don't have any difficulty with it. My only complaint is that verizon changes my IP at least once/week, but that doesn't bother me much -- I export my WAN IP to my Westhost account so I can always find my home machine from work. If I wasn't so lazy, I'd use dyndns.org. Bill

Aug. 6, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Multiple platform blues...

by Brett Russ

Stephen C. Daukas wrote: > Q1 - OpenOffice versus MS Office: What you're going to find is that OO is quite compatible with a few exceptions. I'm a Linux only user making OO work for me in a MS based environment and I've seen some cases where minor things get tweaked or dropped after editing in OO. Page numbers disappeared once. Another case introduced a discrepancy with section numbers. Table of content generation is not always flawless. But overall I have been *very* impressed with the progress OO has made and wholeheartedly recommend it over the other pricey suite. Excel and Powerpoint compatibilty seem even more stable. For sharing content, I use the PDF export engine as much as possible. > Q2 - Heterogeneous access: > > I want to be able to access any file created in any of the three > environments. I'd like to move files between the Macs at work and one > or more of my machines at home without using Email (I want to avoid > any constraints like size limitations on attachments). I want to be > able to pull and push those files to whatever platform is needed for > whatever needs to be done with them. SAMBA is the best thing going. For UNIX boxes (I can't comment on Macs) I use mostly NFS but SMB works just as well and for multiple OS's. Also, rsync and SSH/SCP and/or a combination of the two work great. I know there's SSH clients for Win (putty) and probably Mac. > I'd also like to drop the static IP because of cost, and have already > moved the web site to a commercial provider... No need for static IP with all of the dynamic DNS providers out there. Check out http://www.dyndns.org/ right here in Worcester. Then use the ddclient daemon (or similar) to keep it up to date. > Q3 - Email: > > can do the export, but I have had no luck with any of them knowing > about Mozilla. Does anyone know of a way to get email out of Mozilla > into an ASCII file-based structure (or something equally vanilla) that > can be read by a standard Linux reader? This is the easiest one yet! Mozilla stores mail in the mbox format, which is pretty much standard UNIX email fare. Any email reader worth its salt can read mbox. Right click on one of your email accounts (top level) and go to properties. The folder listed is where your email is stored. There's an mbox file for each "folder" you have, this can be tar'ed and gzip'ed and imported to another machine easily. You don't need the <folder>.msf files, those are only Mozilla internal tracking stuff. I'd recommend the latest Thunderbird as a mail user agent (MUA). They've got Win and Lin releases. > Beyond that specific issue, what would be the best way to handle > email? Right now I limit myself to using one platform and POP only > from it. This is because I can travel with the laptop and not all the > servers I access allow IMAP. I retrieve mail from 7 different > accounts and forwarding is not allowed (nor do I want to have to keep > track of that). I don't mind having to do this, but I'm wondering > about other options... Well, if I had the time and motivation, what I want to do is suck all mail onto my home server and export it via IMAP over SSL so I can access it from anywhere and only have 1 copy to worry about. Charter (my ISP) used to allow IMAP to it's mail server, but recently that was turned off and I'm back to POP hell where I have to delete messages multiple times since multiple machines are checking mail all the time. IMAP is superior, if you can use it or provide it to yourself then go that route. HTH. BR

Aug. 6, 2004

Multiple platform blues...

by Stephen C. Daukas

I'm sure my experience with platform-dependent apps as an impediment to moving entirely to Linux is not unique. I have spent plenty of time playing with Linux at home, but have always had to deal with platform-specific needs of employers, etc., so I have never been able to completely immerse myself in Linux. I'd still like to use Linux as my primary platform, but I have to deal with having to run quite specific apps in different environments. So, I'm looking to begin a discussion about how to set-up a home environment that is as much Linux-based as is possible while providing for the realities of platform-specific requirements. Of course, this is as much a discussion of applications as it is about platforms. I have 3 systems and 1 laptop at home, all of which are Pentium IIIs, one as fast as 800MHz (imagine that!), that are available for use in my home network. I must be able to run Internet Explorer 6.x (required for several web-enabled apps I must use on a regular basis), Word, and PowerPoint. My wife has a Pentium III laptop that must run XP because of her work, but it would be nice to have her access a linux file server for backup and such. (She also likes Linux games!) Also, I have a couple of laser printers and an ink jet that I would rather hang off of one print server. With an eye toward a home network that must include Microsoft and access to Macs at work, here are some questions to start this discussion off: Q1 - OpenOffice versus MS Office: I will need to be reading/editing/creating Word and Powerpoint files (as most of the world do). I will be getting files to edit, and be creating others from scratch. I teach, so the results are intended for display on an ActiveBoard with the expectation of touching the board (or clicking from the console) to follow a link embedded in a powerpoint slide yielding a movie clip, or web page, or whatever. I'm told I have control over the department's files, but not to the extent of choosing something other than MS, so I'd like to use OpenOffice as my primary environment and then generate MS files for use at the school. I assume OpenOffice can do what PowerPoint can do (within reason), but I can't afford the time to "fix" generated MS Office files to work in a Mac or XP environment. Are the any OpenOffice users out there that can comment on this? Q2 - Heterogeneous access: I want to be able to access any file created in any of the three environments. I'd like to move files between the Macs at work and one or more of my machines at home without using Email (I want to avoid any constraints like size limitations on attachments). I want to be able to pull and push those files to whatever platform is needed for whatever needs to be done with them. I assume VNC is available on the Mac, and that I would probably need to run SAMBA, but what are the options these days? I suppose I could set up a FTP server... I'd also like to drop the static IP because of cost, and have already moved the web site to a commercial provider... Q3 - Email: Of primary concern is moving existing email from the MS environment (laptop) to Linux. I am trying to find a way to export all of my email from Mozilla 1.6 to a file or files that can then be moved to a Linux box and imported/read by a mail reader there, but I can't seem to find a way to do this... There is no export function in Mozilla 1.6 and the mail files are not consistently ASCII (at least from what I've seen). I have even tried to use other mailers' ability to import from their competitors, in the hopes that one of them can do the export, but I have had no luck with any of them knowing about Mozilla. Does anyone know of a way to get email out of Mozilla into an ASCII file-based structure (or something equally vanilla) that can be read by a standard Linux reader? Beyond that specific issue, what would be the best way to handle email? Right now I limit myself to using one platform and POP only from it. This is because I can travel with the laptop and not all the servers I access allow IMAP. I retrieve mail from 7 different accounts and forwarding is not allowed (nor do I want to have to keep track of that). I don't mind having to do this, but I'm wondering about other options... Thanks for your sage advice! Steve

Aug. 6, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Graphing Package for Python.

by doug waud

Hi Chuck Noyes wrote: > I'd > like to know what the 'list' considers a decent, and fairly easy to learn > graphing package. I don't need anything too fancy, just a 2-D line graph > package I can plug into python. Just this week I had to generate a couple of drawings of a deck I am making. I forgot gnuplot exists and, rooting around in the SuSE menu found the Open Office draw program. While it draws in its own format, it exports in many others --- pdf, eps, gif, etc. (I used pdf). I picked it up intuitively right away and was able to get my plan and elevation done in short time. I don't know what you mean by "plug into python" so I am not sure whether Open Office Draw will fill that bill. Hope this helps doug PS I'll not burden the list with an example but, if you want an example, I can easily forward one of those pdf files (or another format if you want to see if that particular one would do your job). Just let me know.

Aug. 3, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Graphing Package for Python.

by Karl Hiramoto

Can you use gnuplot? There is a python wrapper. http://gnuplot-py.sourceforge.net/ Chuck Noyes wrote: > > Hi all, > > I'm using version 2.2 python on a laptop running RH9; 2.4.23 kernel. I'd > like to know what the 'list' considers a decent, and fairly easy to learn > graphing package. I don't need anything too fancy, just a 2-D line graph > package I can plug into python. I'd really like to stay away from object- > oriented stuff, mostly because I don't understand it too well. > > Since the scripts I'm working on will probably be run on MS Windows as > well as in Linux, the package will need to have a MS version too. > > Thanks, > -Chuck > -- ¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø Karl Hiramoto <karl(a)hiramoto.org> Work: 978-425-2090 ext 25 Cell: 508-517-4819 http://karl.hiramoto.org/ AOL IM ID = KarlH420 Yahoo_IM = karl_hiramoto ¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø Hello, GORRY-O!! I'm a GENIUS from HARVARD!!

Aug. 3, 2004

Graphing Package for Python.

by Chuck Noyes

Hi all, I'm using version 2.2 python on a laptop running RH9; 2.4.23 kernel. I'd like to know what the 'list' considers a decent, and fairly easy to learn graphing package. I don't need anything too fancy, just a 2-D line graph package I can plug into python. I'd really like to stay away from object- oriented stuff, mostly because I don't understand it too well. Since the scripts I'm working on will probably be run on MS Windows as well as in Linux, the package will need to have a MS version too. Thanks, -Chuck -- Using M2, Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/

Aug. 2, 2004

Speaker for next meeting

by albutler33＠netscape.net

I'm in. I'd be interested in hearing a talk on SELinux. Al Butler __________________________________________________________________ Switch to Netscape Internet Service. As low as $9.95 a month -- Sign up today at http://isp.netscape.com/register Netscape. Just the Net You Need. New! Netscape Toolbar for Internet Explorer Search from anywhere on the Web and block those annoying pop-ups. Download now at http://channels.netscape.com/ns/search/install.jsp

Aug. 2, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Re: August Speaker Proposal

by Andy Stewart

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Friday 30 July 2004 12:05 am, Phil H wrote: > > I'd be interested in hearing it, but I'll be out of the country. Next > meeting, I guess. > Will the slides (if any) be made available online for those who can't make > it? > > Phil HI Phil, I will post the presenter's slides with permission. You can see the slides from past presentations on the WLUG website. Andy - -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA USA http://www.wlug.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFBCsXbHl0iXDssISsRAqTkAJ9ljIMkXhwmGrbbIzYR+1e/PfZSCgCfZOSI Nd8UYNZC891MzrEyW0BJvg4= =h2ck -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

July 30, 2004

RE: [Wlug] Partition table blues

by Martin, Eric

All fdisk /mbr does is replace your mbr with windows info...the most it would screw up is grub / lilo (what ever is in your mbr). That can be replaced with any livecd and a quick command from grub or lilo. -----Original Message----- From: Gregory Avedissian [mailto:gma2004@verizon.net] Sent: Sunday, July 25, 2004 11:43 AM To: douglas.waud(a)umassmed.edu; Worcester Linux Users Group Subject: Re: [Wlug] Partition table blues Hi Doug, I haven't tried fdisk /mbr because I don't really fully understand what it does and have never seen a good explanation of how it will affect linux partitions. This morning, I read that it shouldn't be used on disks that have more than four partitions. I have five partitions and some unclaimed space. I might try it later today. Beside that, anything of value is on the linux side of the disk. (That's not a microsoft slur, it's just where I have my files.) So, while I would like to be able to get the whole thing back to its original working order as a learning exercise, I'm more motivated to get to the linux partitions. Thanks again, Greg doug waud wrote: > Hi again > > This time, let's try focussing on one thing to try. > > I don't see that you have ever tried the standard way to restore the > MBR > for Windows --- boot a Windows floppy with fdisk on it and type > fdisk /mbr > and, if you still cannot boot windows, add a > sys c: > > It is not clear from here why you did not try this. > > doug > > > Gregory Avedissian wrote: > >> doug waud wrote: >> >>> Hi again Greg >>> >>> Gregory Avedissian wrote: >>> >>>> There were three backups of the mbr. One made under dos with >>>> debug.exe, and the others made with linux as, >>>> >>>> dd if=/dev/hda of=/boot/boot.MBR bs=512 count=1 >>>> dd if=/dev/hda of=/boot/boot.446.MBR bs=446 count=1 >>>> >>>> I restored with: >>>> >>>> dd if=/boot/boot.MBR of=/dev/hda bs=512 count=1 >>>> I think maybe I picked the wrong one. >> >> >> >> > I admit I would have used the second, safer (since it does not >> touch the >> > partition table), but I don't see why the 512 bs variant would not >> have >> > worked unless you had changed the partition table since making that >> > boot.MBR file. >> >> No, I didn't change the partition table. I made these backups within >> days of installing, so that I would have copies of a new, working mbr. >> >>> >>> It is hard to tell what went wrong until you tell us what you were >>> doing just before the system no longer would boot. (Those two lines >>> creating the boot.xyz files would only read from the first 512 or 446 >>> bytes not do any writing there so they cannot be the cause of your >>> troubles.) >>> >>> >>> Why don't you boot from a bootable floppy? Alternatively, start the >>> SuSE recovery mechanism which includes "boot an installed system" as >>> an option. If all that is screwed up it the MBR, you could then >>> simply run LILO to refresh it. >>> >> >> I had a new win98 installation working ok, then I installed suse8.2 >> and set it up so that it would boot with GRUB from floppy. I don't >> recall if I ever tried to boot from the harddrive to get into windows >> after I installed suse, but I know I could get there from the floppy. >> >> When I did try to boot off the hard drive two days ago, it hung with >> the message, "Disk boot failure. Insert system disk." >> >> I could still boot to win or linux from the grub floppy at this >> point. >> I tried restoring the mbr in dos with debug.exe, and that didn't help. >> I could still boot to linux with the floppy, and I can't remember if I >> could still boot to windows. Then I tried restoring with >> dd if=/boot/boot.MBR of=/dev/hda bs=512 count=1 >> >> After that, I couldn't boot from the grub floppy anymore. Trying to >> boot the installed system from the rescue disk also failed. I then >> booted to the rescue system. Output of sfdisk -l looked like this: >> >> Disk /dev/hda: 3737 cylinders, 255 heads, 63 sectors/track >> /dev/hda: unrecognized partition >> No partitions found >> >> Repeating the restore procedure with debug.exe didn't help, either. >> >> >> Thanks, >> Greg >> > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

July 30, 2004

Re: August Speaker Proposal

by Phil H

On Wed, 28 Jul 2004 12:00:11 -0400, wlug-request(a)mail.wlug.org <wlug-request(a)mail.wlug.org> wrote: > Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 10:10:49 -0400 > From: Jeff Moyer <jmoyer(a)redhat.com> > Subject: [Wlug] August Speaker proposal > To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > Cc: dwalsh(a)redhat.com > Message-ID: <16647.46057.757622.844343(a)segfault.boston.redhat.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Hello, > > If there is interest, Dan Walsh is willing to give a presentation on > SELinux for the next meeting. Takers? > > -Jeff I'd be interested in hearing it, but I'll be out of the country. Next meeting, I guess. Will the slides (if any) be made available online for those who can't make it? Phil

July 30, 2004

RE: [Wlug] Partition table blues

by Keller, Tim

Well, if your only keeping your windows partition around to watch DVD's, that's something that you've been able todo in linux for a long time. Check out mplayer / Xine and Ogle. Tim. -----Original Message----- From: Gregory Avedissian [mailto:gma2004@verizon.net] Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2004 2:13 PM To: Worcester Linux Users Group Subject: Re: [Wlug] Partition table blues Here's the update: Went into BIOS and set the disk to LBA. This resulted in sfdisk -l showing the same geometry as the kernel (CHS 3737/255/63) This put the start and end of the first partition at 0 and 1023. Somewhere along the line, my windows partition grew by 2GB. Is it possible that it's reading a previous partition table? Win98 was still showing c: to be 5.8GB, and dos fdisk was still showing it as 8.2 GB. So, I took Doug's advice and said a prayer, then went at it. Set the win partition back to 6GB with dos (win98) fdisk (with the drive hooked up as master.) This made windows unbootable, and fdisk /mbr didn't correct it. That's ok. I did have it working again until then, and I could have retrieved my data if I'd had any on that partition. Connected the drive as slave and put another drive I had with a non-critical linux installation on as hda (in case I screwed up and partitioned the wrong drive). Booted into linux and repartitioned with sfdisk /dev/hdb, putting in parameters for <start cylinder> <size in cylinders> <type> for each partition when promted: /dev/hdb1 0 765 c * /dev/hdb2 765 130 82 /dev/hdb3 896 1044 (L for linux is the default) /dev/hdb4 1941 1795 (tried both 85 for linux extended and 5 for win extended) /dev/hdb5 1941 1305 L /dev/hdb6 - it insisted on setting up hdb6, so I just hit enter, and let it take the rest of the disk. This was originally unpartitioned space. I then was able to mount /dev/hdb3 and access my root filesystem. I was not able to mount /dev/hdb5 to access my /home partition. Error message from mount was "wrong filesystem type or too many mounted filesystems). Unless someone knows the secret code to to mount a recovered logical partition, I'll assume that there's no easy way to do it and finish this project (i.e. wipe the disk and start over, without putting windows on this drive.) No more extended partitions for this boy. On a brighter note, I learned how to get windows98 to boot from the SECOND hard drive, and that gives me great satisfaction. It was way easier than I thought, and if anyone's interested, I'll give details. This means that when I figure out how to watch movies on dvd in linux, I can get rid of windows by simply removing the second drive. Thanks to all for your help with this. Greg Charles R. Anderson wrote: > On Mon, Jul 26, 2004 at 02:27:01PM -0400, Gregory Avedissian wrote: > >>>What does the kernel think the disk size is on bootup? >> >>hdb: 60036480 sectors (30739 MB) w/1916KiB Cache, CHS=3737/255/63, UDMA(100) > > >>>What does the BIOS say in the CMOS setup screen for the disk geometry? >> >>capacity 30740 MB >>cylinder 59560 >>head 16 >>precomp 0 >>landing zone 59559 >>sector 63 > > > The BIOS and kernel agree on the size of the disk. 59560/(255/16) = > 3737 cylinders. I would however make sure the BIOS is set to LBA mode > if it isn't, which should cause the heads to become 255. > > >>>What does the disk say on the label for the geometry? >> >>Model: DTLA-307030 >>Capacity: 30.7 GB >>LBA 60.036.480 sectors >>CHS: 16383/16/63 >>MLC: F80033 > > > Strange. That doesn't add up at all. Ah, here it is: > > "There is an industry convention to give C/H/S=16383/16/63 for disks > larger than 8.4 GB" [1] > > >>And here's more: >>DOS fdisk reports the partition as being 8032 MB. >>Win98 reports it (C:) as 5.8 GB. > > > Interesting. > > >>gnu parted reports it as: (note that the drive is temporarily connected as >>hdb for convenience) >>hdb: 60036480 sectors (30739 MB) w/1916KiB Cache, CHS=3737/255/63, UDMA(100) > > > Agrees with the kernel above. > > >>sfdisk -l >>Disk /dev/hdb: 1123 cylinders, 255 heads, 63 sectors/track >>Units = cylinders of 8225280 bytes, blocks of 1024 bytes, counting from 0 > > > Here is the problem. sfdisk is seeing the wrong number geometry. I > would attempt to fix the C/H/S values in the partition table with > sfdisk. First I would read [1] in it's entirety--it goes into all the > gory details of geometry and size limits. > > Here are some useful documents on geometry and partitioning: > > [1] http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Large-Disk-HOWTO.html > > [2] http://www.microsoft.com/windows2000/techinfo/reskit/en-us/default.asp?url=/ windows2000/techinfo/reskit/en-us/prork/prcb_dis_qxql.asp > > [3] http://www.microsoft.com/resources/documentation/Windows/XP/all/reskit/en-us /Default.asp?url=/resources/documentation/Windows/XP/all/reskit/en-us/prkd_t ro_kyrr.asp > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

July 29, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Partition table blues

by Gregory Avedissian

Here's the update: Went into BIOS and set the disk to LBA. This resulted in sfdisk -l showing the same geometry as the kernel (CHS 3737/255/63) This put the start and end of the first partition at 0 and 1023. Somewhere along the line, my windows partition grew by 2GB. Is it possible that it's reading a previous partition table? Win98 was still showing c: to be 5.8GB, and dos fdisk was still showing it as 8.2 GB. So, I took Doug's advice and said a prayer, then went at it. Set the win partition back to 6GB with dos (win98) fdisk (with the drive hooked up as master.) This made windows unbootable, and fdisk /mbr didn't correct it. That's ok. I did have it working again until then, and I could have retrieved my data if I'd had any on that partition. Connected the drive as slave and put another drive I had with a non-critical linux installation on as hda (in case I screwed up and partitioned the wrong drive). Booted into linux and repartitioned with sfdisk /dev/hdb, putting in parameters for <start cylinder> <size in cylinders> <type> for each partition when promted: /dev/hdb1 0 765 c * /dev/hdb2 765 130 82 /dev/hdb3 896 1044 (L for linux is the default) /dev/hdb4 1941 1795 (tried both 85 for linux extended and 5 for win extended) /dev/hdb5 1941 1305 L /dev/hdb6 - it insisted on setting up hdb6, so I just hit enter, and let it take the rest of the disk. This was originally unpartitioned space. I then was able to mount /dev/hdb3 and access my root filesystem. I was not able to mount /dev/hdb5 to access my /home partition. Error message from mount was "wrong filesystem type or too many mounted filesystems). Unless someone knows the secret code to to mount a recovered logical partition, I'll assume that there's no easy way to do it and finish this project (i.e. wipe the disk and start over, without putting windows on this drive.) No more extended partitions for this boy. On a brighter note, I learned how to get windows98 to boot from the SECOND hard drive, and that gives me great satisfaction. It was way easier than I thought, and if anyone's interested, I'll give details. This means that when I figure out how to watch movies on dvd in linux, I can get rid of windows by simply removing the second drive. Thanks to all for your help with this. Greg Charles R. Anderson wrote: > On Mon, Jul 26, 2004 at 02:27:01PM -0400, Gregory Avedissian wrote: > >>>What does the kernel think the disk size is on bootup? >> >>hdb: 60036480 sectors (30739 MB) w/1916KiB Cache, CHS=3737/255/63, UDMA(100) > > >>>What does the BIOS say in the CMOS setup screen for the disk geometry? >> >>capacity 30740 MB >>cylinder 59560 >>head 16 >>precomp 0 >>landing zone 59559 >>sector 63 > > > The BIOS and kernel agree on the size of the disk. 59560/(255/16) = > 3737 cylinders. I would however make sure the BIOS is set to LBA mode > if it isn't, which should cause the heads to become 255. > > >>>What does the disk say on the label for the geometry? >> >>Model: DTLA-307030 >>Capacity: 30.7 GB >>LBA 60.036.480 sectors >>CHS: 16383/16/63 >>MLC: F80033 > > > Strange. That doesn't add up at all. Ah, here it is: > > "There is an industry convention to give C/H/S=16383/16/63 for disks > larger than 8.4 GB" [1] > > >>And here's more: >>DOS fdisk reports the partition as being 8032 MB. >>Win98 reports it (C:) as 5.8 GB. > > > Interesting. > > >>gnu parted reports it as: (note that the drive is temporarily connected as >>hdb for convenience) >>hdb: 60036480 sectors (30739 MB) w/1916KiB Cache, CHS=3737/255/63, UDMA(100) > > > Agrees with the kernel above. > > >>sfdisk -l >>Disk /dev/hdb: 1123 cylinders, 255 heads, 63 sectors/track >>Units = cylinders of 8225280 bytes, blocks of 1024 bytes, counting from 0 > > > Here is the problem. sfdisk is seeing the wrong number geometry. I > would attempt to fix the C/H/S values in the partition table with > sfdisk. First I would read [1] in it's entirety--it goes into all the > gory details of geometry and size limits. > > Here are some useful documents on geometry and partitioning: > > [1] http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Large-Disk-HOWTO.html > > [2] http://www.microsoft.com/windows2000/techinfo/reskit/en-us/default.asp?url=… > > [3] http://www.microsoft.com/resources/documentation/Windows/XP/all/reskit/en-u… > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

July 29, 2004

Fwd: Announcing the First Annual VMware User Conference

by Andy Stewart

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July 29, 2004

Re: [Wlug] August Speaker proposal

by Mike Frysinger

On Wednesday 28 July 2004 06:03 pm, Andy Stewart wrote: > Given all of the interest, who am I to say "no"? :-) i know i'd attend for the first time in a while ;) -mike

July 28, 2004

Re: [Wlug] August Speaker proposal

by Andy Stewart

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Wednesday 28 July 2004 10:10 am, Jeff Moyer wrote: > Hello, > > If there is interest, Dan Walsh is willing to give a presentation on > SELinux for the next meeting. Takers? > > -Jeff Given all of the interest, who am I to say "no"? :-) Jeff, let's you and I chat offline and have you introduce me to Dan so we can work out the particulars. Thanks! Andy - -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA USA http://www.wlug.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFBCCLOHl0iXDssISsRAhhPAJ9926nsgJ9pcMLsfgX6+BdLJMHtmgCgg0PE dnl9noGAs5mu4Ar0qJUvZBU= =JFzJ -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

July 28, 2004

Re: [Wlug] August Speaker proposal

by Mike Frysinger

On Wednesday 28 July 2004 10:10 am, Jeff Moyer wrote: > If there is interest, Dan Walsh is willing to give a presentation on > SELinux for the next meeting. Takers? ++interest -mike

July 28, 2004

Re: [Wlug] August Speaker proposal

by frank p

> > If there is interest, Dan Walsh is willing to give a presentation on > > SELinux for the next meeting. Takers? > > Sounds good to me! I'll second that... and how can you go wrong when two frank's agree? -frank p

July 28, 2004

Re: [Wlug] August Speaker proposal

by Frank Sweetser

On Wed, Jul 28, 2004 at 10:10:49AM -0400, Jeff Moyer wrote: > Hello, > > If there is interest, Dan Walsh is willing to give a presentation on > SELinux for the next meeting. Takers? Sounds good to me! -- Frank Sweetser fs at wpi.edu WPI Network Engineer GPG fingerprint = 6174 1257 129E 0D21 D8D4 E8A3 8E39 29E3 E2E8 8CEC

July 28, 2004

August Speaker proposal

by Jeff Moyer

Hello, If there is interest, Dan Walsh is willing to give a presentation on SELinux for the next meeting. Takers? -Jeff

July 28, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Partition table blues

by Gregory Avedissian

Brian, Here's the info you asked for. I'll be busy reading for awhile. Greg kervnel version 2.4.20-4GB-athlon sfdisk -H 63 -l Disk /dev/hdb: 3737 cylinders, 63 heads, 63 sectors/track Warning: The partition table looks like it was made for C/H/S=*/255/63 (instead of 3737/63/63). For this listing I'll assume that geometry. Units = cylinders of 8225280 bytes, blocks of 1024 bytes, counting from 0 Device Boot Start End #cyls #blocks Id System /dev/hdb1 * 0+ 1023 1024- 8225248+ c Win95 FAT32 (LBA) /dev/hdb2 0 - 0 0 0 Empty /dev/hdb3 0 - 0 0 0 Empty /dev/hdb4 0 - 0 0 0 Empty Brian Waite wrote: >>>What does the kernel think the disk size is on bootup? >>> >>>dmesg | grep hdb >> >> ide0: BM-DMA at 0xc000-0xc007, BIOS settings: hda:DMA, hdb:DMA >>hdb: IBM-DTLA-307030, ATA DISK drive >>hdb: attached ide-disk driver. >>hdb: host protected area => 1 >>hdb: 60036480 sectors (30739 MB) w/1916KiB Cache, CHS=3737/255/63, UDMA(100) >> hdb: hdb1 >> >> >> >>>What does the BIOS say in the CMOS setup screen for the disk geometry? >> >>capacity 30740 MB >>cylinder 59560 >>head 16 >>precomp 0 >>landing zone 59559 >>sector 63 >> >> >>>What does the disk say on the label for the geometry? >> >>Model: DTLA-307030 >>Capacity: 30.7 GB >>LBA 60.036.480 sectors >>CHS: 16383/16/63 >>MLC: F80033 >> >>And here's more: >> >>DOS fdisk reports the partition as being 8032 MB. >>Win98 reports it (C:) as 5.8 GB. >> >>gnu parted reports it as: (note that the drive is temporarily connected as >>hdb for convenience) >> >>ide0: BM-DMA at 0xc000-0xc007, BIOS settings: hda:DMA, hdb:DMA >>hdb: IBM-DTLA-307030, ATA DISK drive >>hdb: attached ide-disk driver. >>hdb: host protected area => 1 >>hdb: 60036480 sectors (30739 MB) w/1916KiB Cache, CHS=3737/255/63, UDMA(100) >> hdb: hdb1 >> >>and here are the fdisk and sfdisk outputs again for reference: >> >>fdisk -l >> Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System >>/dev/hdb1 * 1 1123 9020466 c Win95 FAT32 (LBA) >> >>sfdisk -l >>Disk /dev/hdb: 1123 cylinders, 255 heads, 63 sectors/track >>Units = cylinders of 8225280 bytes, blocks of 1024 bytes, counting from 0 >> >> Device Boot Start End #cyls #blocks Id System >>/dev/hdb1 * 0+ 1122 1123- 9020466 c Win95 FAT32 (LBA) >>/dev/hdb2 0 - 0 0 0 Empty >>/dev/hdb3 0 - 0 0 0 Empty >>/dev/hdb4 0 - 0 0 0 Empty >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Wlug mailing list >>Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >>http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >> > > > It looks to me like the kernel is not getting the head count right. > What is the output when you do > sfdisk -H 63 -l > It may not help but maybe you can get a bit closer > BTW exactly what kernel version are you on? > uname -a > > Thanks > Brian > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

July 26, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Partition table blues

by Charles R. Anderson

On Mon, Jul 26, 2004 at 02:27:01PM -0400, Gregory Avedissian wrote: > >What does the kernel think the disk size is on bootup? > hdb: 60036480 sectors (30739 MB) w/1916KiB Cache, CHS=3737/255/63, UDMA(100) > >What does the BIOS say in the CMOS setup screen for the disk geometry? > capacity 30740 MB > cylinder 59560 > head 16 > precomp 0 > landing zone 59559 > sector 63 The BIOS and kernel agree on the size of the disk. 59560/(255/16) = 3737 cylinders. I would however make sure the BIOS is set to LBA mode if it isn't, which should cause the heads to become 255. > >What does the disk say on the label for the geometry? > > Model: DTLA-307030 > Capacity: 30.7 GB > LBA 60.036.480 sectors > CHS: 16383/16/63 > MLC: F80033 Strange. That doesn't add up at all. Ah, here it is: "There is an industry convention to give C/H/S=16383/16/63 for disks larger than 8.4 GB" [1] > And here's more: > DOS fdisk reports the partition as being 8032 MB. > Win98 reports it (C:) as 5.8 GB. Interesting. > gnu parted reports it as: (note that the drive is temporarily connected as > hdb for convenience) > hdb: 60036480 sectors (30739 MB) w/1916KiB Cache, CHS=3737/255/63, UDMA(100) Agrees with the kernel above. > sfdisk -l > Disk /dev/hdb: 1123 cylinders, 255 heads, 63 sectors/track > Units = cylinders of 8225280 bytes, blocks of 1024 bytes, counting from 0 Here is the problem. sfdisk is seeing the wrong number geometry. I would attempt to fix the C/H/S values in the partition table with sfdisk. First I would read [1] in it's entirety--it goes into all the gory details of geometry and size limits. Here are some useful documents on geometry and partitioning: [1] http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Large-Disk-HOWTO.html [2] http://www.microsoft.com/windows2000/techinfo/reskit/en-us/default.asp?url=… [3] http://www.microsoft.com/resources/documentation/Windows/XP/all/reskit/en-u…

July 26, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Partition table blues

by Brian Waite

> > What does the kernel think the disk size is on bootup? > > > > dmesg | grep hdb > ide0: BM-DMA at 0xc000-0xc007, BIOS settings: hda:DMA, hdb:DMA > hdb: IBM-DTLA-307030, ATA DISK drive > hdb: attached ide-disk driver. > hdb: host protected area => 1 > hdb: 60036480 sectors (30739 MB) w/1916KiB Cache, CHS=3737/255/63, UDMA(100) > hdb: hdb1 > > > > > > What does the BIOS say in the CMOS setup screen for the disk geometry? > > capacity 30740 MB > cylinder 59560 > head 16 > precomp 0 > landing zone 59559 > sector 63 > > > What does the disk say on the label for the geometry? > > Model: DTLA-307030 > Capacity: 30.7 GB > LBA 60.036.480 sectors > CHS: 16383/16/63 > MLC: F80033 > > And here's more: > > DOS fdisk reports the partition as being 8032 MB. > Win98 reports it (C:) as 5.8 GB. > > gnu parted reports it as: (note that the drive is temporarily connected as > hdb for convenience) > > ide0: BM-DMA at 0xc000-0xc007, BIOS settings: hda:DMA, hdb:DMA > hdb: IBM-DTLA-307030, ATA DISK drive > hdb: attached ide-disk driver. > hdb: host protected area => 1 > hdb: 60036480 sectors (30739 MB) w/1916KiB Cache, CHS=3737/255/63, UDMA(100) > hdb: hdb1 > > and here are the fdisk and sfdisk outputs again for reference: > > fdisk -l > Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System > /dev/hdb1 * 1 1123 9020466 c Win95 FAT32 (LBA) > > sfdisk -l > Disk /dev/hdb: 1123 cylinders, 255 heads, 63 sectors/track > Units = cylinders of 8225280 bytes, blocks of 1024 bytes, counting from 0 > > Device Boot Start End #cyls #blocks Id System > /dev/hdb1 * 0+ 1122 1123- 9020466 c Win95 FAT32 (LBA) > /dev/hdb2 0 - 0 0 0 Empty > /dev/hdb3 0 - 0 0 0 Empty > /dev/hdb4 0 - 0 0 0 Empty > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > It looks to me like the kernel is not getting the head count right. What is the output when you do sfdisk -H 63 -l It may not help but maybe you can get a bit closer BTW exactly what kernel version are you on? uname -a Thanks Brian

July 26, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Partition table blues

by Gregory Avedissian

Charles R. Anderson wrote: > On Mon, Jul 26, 2004 at 12:55:36AM -0400, Gregory Avedissian wrote: > >>The disk in question is around 30GB, and originally, 6 GB were taken by >>windows on hda1, 1GB by swap on hda2, 8GB for hda3, and 10GB for hda5, >>leaving 3.7GB unallocated space in the extended partition. I did this by >>making the win partition with the win98 fdisk, and then making the linux >>partitions with the suse intall disk. It looks like the numbers aren't >>adding up right. > > > Ok, you need to stop right here and find out why fdisk thinks the disk > is only 9GB before doing anything else. I can think of one reason. > The MBR also stores C/H/S values. Normally, C*H*S*512 on the MBR > should match the disk capacity. Since yours doesn't appear to, > perhaps you overwrote the MBR C/H/S values when you restored the copy > you had in /boot. Did you perhaps make that backup from a different > sized disk? Linux 2.4 will trust the MBR values over the BIOS values. > Linux 2.6 trusts the BIOS over the MBR (leading to the aforementioned > Windows interop problem after installing a Linux 2.6 distro). > I'm sure I made the backups from the right disk. This was about a week ago when I installed this drive, and it was the only harddrive in the machine at the time. Once I got everything installed and working, I made the backups with debug and in linux with dd. I have noticed on several previous linux installations that disk geometry reported by linux is accompanied by messages that say something like "this is not the geometry we expected." I always have ignored those messages, because everything was working. I thought that was normal, but if I'm doing something consistently wrong on installation, I'd like to know about it. > What does the kernel think the disk size is on bootup? > > dmesg | grep hdb ide0: BM-DMA at 0xc000-0xc007, BIOS settings: hda:DMA, hdb:DMA hdb: IBM-DTLA-307030, ATA DISK drive hdb: attached ide-disk driver. hdb: host protected area => 1 hdb: 60036480 sectors (30739 MB) w/1916KiB Cache, CHS=3737/255/63, UDMA(100) hdb: hdb1 > > What does the BIOS say in the CMOS setup screen for the disk geometry? capacity 30740 MB cylinder 59560 head 16 precomp 0 landing zone 59559 sector 63 > What does the disk say on the label for the geometry? Model: DTLA-307030 Capacity: 30.7 GB LBA 60.036.480 sectors CHS: 16383/16/63 MLC: F80033 And here's more: DOS fdisk reports the partition as being 8032 MB. Win98 reports it (C:) as 5.8 GB. gnu parted reports it as: (note that the drive is temporarily connected as hdb for convenience) ide0: BM-DMA at 0xc000-0xc007, BIOS settings: hda:DMA, hdb:DMA hdb: IBM-DTLA-307030, ATA DISK drive hdb: attached ide-disk driver. hdb: host protected area => 1 hdb: 60036480 sectors (30739 MB) w/1916KiB Cache, CHS=3737/255/63, UDMA(100) hdb: hdb1 and here are the fdisk and sfdisk outputs again for reference: fdisk -l Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System /dev/hdb1 * 1 1123 9020466 c Win95 FAT32 (LBA) sfdisk -l Disk /dev/hdb: 1123 cylinders, 255 heads, 63 sectors/track Units = cylinders of 8225280 bytes, blocks of 1024 bytes, counting from 0 Device Boot Start End #cyls #blocks Id System /dev/hdb1 * 0+ 1122 1123- 9020466 c Win95 FAT32 (LBA) /dev/hdb2 0 - 0 0 0 Empty /dev/hdb3 0 - 0 0 0 Empty /dev/hdb4 0 - 0 0 0 Empty

July 26, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Partition table blues

by Charles R. Anderson

On Mon, Jul 26, 2004 at 12:55:36AM -0400, Gregory Avedissian wrote: > The disk in question is around 30GB, and originally, 6 GB were taken by > windows on hda1, 1GB by swap on hda2, 8GB for hda3, and 10GB for hda5, > leaving 3.7GB unallocated space in the extended partition. I did this by > making the win partition with the win98 fdisk, and then making the linux > partitions with the suse intall disk. It looks like the numbers aren't > adding up right. Ok, you need to stop right here and find out why fdisk thinks the disk is only 9GB before doing anything else. I can think of one reason. The MBR also stores C/H/S values. Normally, C*H*S*512 on the MBR should match the disk capacity. Since yours doesn't appear to, perhaps you overwrote the MBR C/H/S values when you restored the copy you had in /boot. Did you perhaps make that backup from a different sized disk? Linux 2.4 will trust the MBR values over the BIOS values. Linux 2.6 trusts the BIOS over the MBR (leading to the aforementioned Windows interop problem after installing a Linux 2.6 distro). What does the kernel think the disk size is on bootup? dmesg | grep hdb What does the BIOS say in the CMOS setup screen for the disk geometry? What does the disk say on the label for the geometry?

July 26, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Partition table blues

by doug waud

Hi again Greg Gregory Avedissian wrote: > Thanks, Charles. I was afraid that hdb designation would be confusing. > That's just temporary, so I can do things to that drive from a working > linux intall on another disk. I've got three drives within reach of the > IDE cables, and I keep switching cables and jumpers to do all this. Now why did you not let us know that right from the start!? In particular, your second post had lines like > dd if=/dev/hda of=/boot/boot.MBR bs=512 count=1 > dd if=/dev/hda of=/boot/boot.446.MBR bs=446 count=1 > > I restored with: > > dd if=/boot/boot.MBR of=/dev/hda bs=512 count=1 all of which referred to /dev/hda! It is hard to tell without mind-reading exactly what you did. Do you see why you *must* tell us *exactly* what you did/are doing. There is no way we can guess that you moved the drive from /dev/hda to /dev/hdb (and god-knows-what-else!). In turn, if we are assuming the /dev/hda you reported is correct, we stand a good chance of telling you to do something which could be a disaster if it is mounted as /dev/hdb. Now I hope you can see why I kept harping on telling us *what* you did rather than what you *think* you did. > The disk in question is around 30GB, and originally, 6 GB were taken by > windows on hda1, 1GB by swap on hda2, 8GB for hda3, and 10GB for hda5, > leaving 3.7GB unallocated space in the extended partition. I did this by > making the win partition with the win98 fdisk, and then making the linux > partitions with the suse intall disk. It looks like the numbers aren't > adding up right. > >> >>> Disk /dev/hdb: 1123 cylinders, 255 heads, 63 sectors/track >> >> >> >> That equals 18040995 sectors of 512 bytes/each = 9,236,989,440 bytes Yes! You claim it is a 30 gig disk and, as Chuck points out, it is coming out about 9. Note that this is even before you get into the details of partitions. At this point I have not the slightest idea of where we are, especially since you have been swapping drives in god-knows-what order and fdisk /mbr on again an unknown (to us) drive. >> (snip,snip) >> The Win95 partition is just about the entire disk, leaving only 31.5 >> 1024-byte blocks left = 32,256 bytes. Where could any Linux >> partitions have fit? > > > On the other 24GB which appear not to be partitioned. See comments above, the summary for /dev/hdb *total* says there are not another 24 GB! > I'm a little > bothered by the math, though. You came up with 9GB, and I made that > partition 6GB. You *think* you did. It would appear the fact is that you really do not know what you did! >>> OK, one more idea. Can I use the partition tool to set the partitions >>> again without formatting them, and then be able to access them? >> >> If you are absolutely sure of the correct start/end of all the >> partitions on the disk, then yes, you should be able to re-set them in >> the partition table and regain access to the data without formatting >> them. This is much more likely to happen if there are no extended >> partitions (hdb5 or higher). Chuck, you are more optimistic than I! :-) I think that right now we are flying blind. Also, he now refers to a /dev/hd5 and and extended partition, so the cards would appear to be stacked even more solidly against him. > > No, I'm not sure, just assuming that if I use the same partition tool > with the same drive, it'll come up with the same numbers. Guess I need > to double-check the size of my win partition and make sure it hasn't > changed. In fact, I seem to recall noticing that hda1 ended well below > cyl 1023 when I set it up. At 8225280 bytes/cylinder, 6GB should end at > cyl 750, not 1125. The partition tool shows the end of hda1 at 1023, and > the end of hda2 at 1154. Uh-oh. Now, once again, that comes out of the blue (unless I lost something in all this long exchange). You just give the numbers in your edited version rather than tell us *exactly* what you did and then show us *exactly* what came out. > I better sleep on it before I do anything else. As I indicated earlier, prayer might be more effective! > Maybe parted didn't work because I gave it the wrong numbers? That "it' says a lot! Yes, wrong numbers is one of a zillion (and climbing) possibilities. doug

July 26, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Partition table blues

by Gregory Avedissian

Thanks, Charles. I was afraid that hdb designation would be confusing. That's just temporary, so I can do things to that drive from a working linux intall on another disk. I've got three drives within reach of the IDE cables, and I keep switching cables and jumpers to do all this. The disk in question is around 30GB, and originally, 6 GB were taken by windows on hda1, 1GB by swap on hda2, 8GB for hda3, and 10GB for hda5, leaving 3.7GB unallocated space in the extended partition. I did this by making the win partition with the win98 fdisk, and then making the linux partitions with the suse intall disk. It looks like the numbers aren't adding up right. > >>Disk /dev/hdb: 1123 cylinders, 255 heads, 63 sectors/track > > > That equals 18040995 sectors of 512 bytes/each = 9,236,989,440 bytes > total. > > >>Units = cylinders of 8225280 bytes, blocks of 1024 bytes, counting from 0 > > > Taking the blocks as 1024 bytes, thats 9020497.5 blocks. > > >> Device Boot Start End #cyls #blocks Id System >>/dev/hdb1 * 0+ 1122 1123- 9020466 c Win95 FAT32 (LBA) > > > The Win95 partition is just about the entire disk, leaving only 31.5 > 1024-byte blocks left = 32,256 bytes. Where could any Linux > partitions have fit? On the other 24GB which appear not to be partitioned. I'm a little bothered by the math, though. You came up with 9GB, and I made that partition 6GB. > > >>OK, one more idea. Can I use the partition tool to set the partitions >>again without formatting them, and then be able to access them? > > > If you are absolutely sure of the correct start/end of all the > partitions on the disk, then yes, you should be able to re-set them in > the partition table and regain access to the data without formatting > them. This is much more likely to happen if there are no extended > partitions (hdb5 or higher). > No, I'm not sure, just assuming that if I use the same partition tool with the same drive, it'll come up with the same numbers. Guess I need to double-check the size of my win partition and make sure it hasn't changed. In fact, I seem to recall noticing that hda1 ended well below cyl 1023 when I set it up. At 8225280 bytes/cylinder, 6GB should end at cyl 750, not 1125. The partition tool shows the end of hda1 at 1023, and the end of hda2 at 1154. Uh-oh. I better sleep on it before I do anything else. Maybe parted didn't work because I gave it the wrong numbers? Thanks, Greg

July 26, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Partition table blues

by Charles R. Anderson

On Sun, Jul 25, 2004 at 10:34:39PM -0400, Gregory Avedissian wrote: > That was linux fdisk I was talking about. It only shows the windows > partition. sfdisk -l shows four partitions - one windows, and three empty > ones, with no start or end cylinders. I'm not sure what that's about. There are always 4 primary partition entries in the partition table in first sector of the drive (MBR). The unused ones are filled with zeros. > Disk /dev/hdb: 1123 cylinders, 255 heads, 63 sectors/track That equals 18040995 sectors of 512 bytes/each = 9,236,989,440 bytes total. > Units = cylinders of 8225280 bytes, blocks of 1024 bytes, counting from 0 Taking the blocks as 1024 bytes, thats 9020497.5 blocks. > Device Boot Start End #cyls #blocks Id System > /dev/hdb1 * 0+ 1122 1123- 9020466 c Win95 FAT32 (LBA) The Win95 partition is just about the entire disk, leaving only 31.5 1024-byte blocks left = 32,256 bytes. Where could any Linux partitions have fit? > OK, one more idea. Can I use the partition tool to set the partitions > again without formatting them, and then be able to access them? If you are absolutely sure of the correct start/end of all the partitions on the disk, then yes, you should be able to re-set them in the partition table and regain access to the data without formatting them. This is much more likely to happen if there are no extended partitions (hdb5 or higher). What happened to make Windows take over the entire disk? Are you sure /dev/hdb is still /dev/hdb, and didn't change due to a disk failure or recabling of the IDE bus? Is Windows 98 installed to /dev/hdb1? It is highly unusual to have Windows boot from anything other than /dev/hdaN.

July 26, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Partition table blues

by Gregory Avedissian

Doug, That was linux fdisk I was talking about. It only shows the windows partition. sfdisk -l shows four partitions - one windows, and three empty ones, with no start or end cylinders. I'm not sure what that's about. Here's the output for fdisk and sfdisk when that drive is hooked up as slave: fdisk -l Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System /dev/hdb1 * 1 1123 9020466 c Win95 FAT32 (LBA) sfdisk -l Disk /dev/hdb: 1123 cylinders, 255 heads, 63 sectors/track Units = cylinders of 8225280 bytes, blocks of 1024 bytes, counting from 0 Device Boot Start End #cyls #blocks Id System /dev/hdb1 * 0+ 1122 1123- 9020466 c Win95 FAT32 (LBA) /dev/hdb2 0 - 0 0 0 Empty /dev/hdb3 0 - 0 0 0 Empty /dev/hdb4 0 - 0 0 0 Empty Here's what I tried. I went into yast2 partitioning tool, setup the drive the way I did the first time, wrote down the cylinder numbers, then hit ABORT, so it wouldn't write to the disk. Then ran "parted -i /dev/hdb", then used the cylinder numbers for the "rescue partitions near START and END" function. It scanned, returned no errors, and made no changes. I don't get it, and I'm out of ideas for now. OK, one more idea. Can I use the partition tool to set the partitions again without formatting them, and then be able to access them? Thanks for all your help, Greg doug waud wrote: > Hi again > > Gregory Avedissian wrote: > >> Hi Doug, >> >> I tried fdisk /mbr and it worked easily. As expected, I only have a >> windows partition (verified by fdisk). I suspect that I'm less than >> halfway there. > > > I'm glad you finally tried that! At least the easy part is taken care of > so you can now focus on a smaller problem. > > I admit to some guessing here, but I would suggest you try both the > Windows fdisk (just because I am a bit anal; I don't expect it to know > about the linux partitions) and the Linux fdisk. (You may have done this > but I can't tell since you say just "fdisk".) > >>> However, once that is working, you can boot into your linux system >>> (by one of the ways I mentioned in an earlier post, and run LILO >>> which is smart enough to leave the Windows part working and simply >>> add the stuff for other things you want to boot (as specified in >>> lilo.conf --- which I assume is OK if it was working earlier and you >>> have not edited it). >> >> >> No, there's no lilo.conf and never was one on that installation. > > > Oops! Sorry about that; I misread an earlier email. :-( > >> There is (was) a grub/menu.lst, which serves the same function, but as >> far as I understand it, the partition table needs to contain >> information about linux partitions for either of these to work. > > > I suspect that is true (can't recall off hand). If so, then remember to > pray when you run the Linux fdisk! :- > > And do run the linux fdisk, i.e. > fdisk /dev/hda > and then chose option p (as in *P*rint the partition table. If you get a > nice listing, then don't screw around with parted! > > >> I went ahead and booted the rescue system and tried a grub-install >> /dev/hda, and it returned a message saying that no /dev/root was found. >> >> Maybe I'll try parted again, now that I can find where hda1 ends. > > > But do try both Windows fdisk and Linux fdisk (with the P option) first! > > doug > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

July 26, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Partition table blues

by doug waud

Hi again Gregory Avedissian wrote: > Hi Doug, > > I tried fdisk /mbr and it worked easily. As expected, I only have a > windows partition (verified by fdisk). I suspect that I'm less than > halfway there. I'm glad you finally tried that! At least the easy part is taken care of so you can now focus on a smaller problem. I admit to some guessing here, but I would suggest you try both the Windows fdisk (just because I am a bit anal; I don't expect it to know about the linux partitions) and the Linux fdisk. (You may have done this but I can't tell since you say just "fdisk".) >> However, once that is working, you can boot into your linux system (by >> one of the ways I mentioned in an earlier post, and run LILO which is >> smart enough to leave the Windows part working and simply add the >> stuff for other things you want to boot (as specified in lilo.conf >> --- which I assume is OK if it was working earlier and you have not >> edited it). > > No, there's no lilo.conf and never was one on that installation. Oops! Sorry about that; I misread an earlier email. :-( > There > is (was) a grub/menu.lst, which serves the same function, but as far as > I understand it, the partition table needs to contain information about > linux partitions for either of these to work. I suspect that is true (can't recall off hand). If so, then remember to pray when you run the Linux fdisk! :- And do run the linux fdisk, i.e. fdisk /dev/hda and then chose option p (as in *P*rint the partition table. If you get a nice listing, then don't screw around with parted! > I went ahead and booted the rescue system and tried a grub-install > /dev/hda, and it returned a message saying that no /dev/root was found. > > Maybe I'll try parted again, now that I can find where hda1 ends. But do try both Windows fdisk and Linux fdisk (with the P option) first! doug

July 26, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Partition table blues

by Gregory Avedissian

Hi Doug, I tried fdisk /mbr and it worked easily. As expected, I only have a windows partition (verified by fdisk). I suspect that I'm less than halfway there. > >> This morning, I read that it shouldn't be used on disks that have more >> than four partitions. I have five partitions and some unclaimed space. >> I might try it later today. > > > I don't know where that came from. It came from ms. Maybe they're just playin' with our heads. > > However, once that is working, you can boot into your linux system (by > one of the ways I mentioned in an earlier post, and run LILO which is > smart enough to leave the Windows part working and simply add the stuff > for other things you want to boot (as specified in lilo.conf --- which > I assume is OK if it was working earlier and you have not edited it). No, there's no lilo.conf and never was one on that installation. There is (was) a grub/menu.lst, which serves the same function, but as far as I understand it, the partition table needs to contain information about linux partitions for either of these to work. I went ahead and booted the rescue system and tried a grub-install /dev/hda, and it returned a message saying that no /dev/root was found. Maybe I'll try parted again, now that I can find where hda1 ends. Thanks, Greg

July 26, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Partition table blues

by doug waud

Hi all (again!) J Schonberg wrote: > I know that the original question was based on a suse8.2 installation > but I'm guessing this is the Linux 2.6 kernel bug that has been > discussed at length in other places. Have you tried sfdisk? I don't follow your logic. Since Greg is using SuSE 8.2, he is a long way from a 2.6 kernel. So I don't see how you can diagnose his problem as a 2.6 not-ready-for-prime-time bug. doug

July 25, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Partition table blues

by Gregory Avedissian

Hi Doug, I haven't tried fdisk /mbr because I don't really fully understand what it does and have never seen a good explanation of how it will affect linux partitions. This morning, I read that it shouldn't be used on disks that have more than four partitions. I have five partitions and some unclaimed space. I might try it later today. Beside that, anything of value is on the linux side of the disk. (That's not a microsoft slur, it's just where I have my files.) So, while I would like to be able to get the whole thing back to its original working order as a learning exercise, I'm more motivated to get to the linux partitions. Thanks again, Greg doug waud wrote: > Hi again > > This time, let's try focussing on one thing to try. > > I don't see that you have ever tried the standard way to restore the MBR > for Windows --- boot a Windows floppy with fdisk on it and type > fdisk /mbr > and, if you still cannot boot windows, add a > sys c: > > It is not clear from here why you did not try this. > > doug > > > Gregory Avedissian wrote: > >> doug waud wrote: >> >>> Hi again Greg >>> >>> Gregory Avedissian wrote: >>> >>>> There were three backups of the mbr. One made under dos with >>>> debug.exe, and the others made with linux as, >>>> >>>> dd if=/dev/hda of=/boot/boot.MBR bs=512 count=1 >>>> dd if=/dev/hda of=/boot/boot.446.MBR bs=446 count=1 >>>> >>>> I restored with: >>>> >>>> dd if=/boot/boot.MBR of=/dev/hda bs=512 count=1 >>>> I think maybe I picked the wrong one. >> >> >> >> > I admit I would have used the second, safer (since it does not >> touch the >> > partition table), but I don't see why the 512 bs variant would not >> have >> > worked unless you had changed the partition table since making that >> > boot.MBR file. >> >> No, I didn't change the partition table. I made these backups within >> days of installing, so that I would have copies of a new, working mbr. >> >>> >>> It is hard to tell what went wrong until you tell us what you were >>> doing just before the system no longer would boot. (Those two lines >>> creating the boot.xyz files would only read from the first 512 or 446 >>> bytes not do any writing there so they cannot be the cause of your >>> troubles.) >>> >>> >>> Why don't you boot from a bootable floppy? Alternatively, start the >>> SuSE recovery mechanism which includes "boot an installed system" as >>> an option. If all that is screwed up it the MBR, you could then >>> simply run LILO to refresh it. >>> >> >> I had a new win98 installation working ok, then I installed suse8.2 >> and set it up so that it would boot with GRUB from floppy. I don't recall >> if I ever tried to boot from the harddrive to get into windows after I >> installed suse, but I know I could get there from the floppy. >> >> When I did try to boot off the hard drive two days ago, it hung with >> the message, "Disk boot failure. Insert system disk." >> >> I could still boot to win or linux from the grub floppy at this point. >> I tried restoring the mbr in dos with debug.exe, and that didn't help. >> I could still boot to linux with the floppy, and I can't remember if I >> could still boot to windows. Then I tried restoring with >> dd if=/boot/boot.MBR of=/dev/hda bs=512 count=1 >> >> After that, I couldn't boot from the grub floppy anymore. Trying to >> boot the installed system from the rescue disk also failed. I then >> booted to the rescue system. Output of sfdisk -l looked like this: >> >> Disk /dev/hda: 3737 cylinders, 255 heads, 63 sectors/track >> /dev/hda: unrecognized partition >> No partitions found >> >> Repeating the restore procedure with debug.exe didn't help, either. >> >> >> Thanks, >> Greg >> > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

July 25, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Partition table blues

by J Schonberg

I know that the original question was based on a suse8.2 installation but I'm guessing this is the Linux 2.6 kernel bug that has been discussed at length in other places. Have you tried sfdisk? Details and a solution here : http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2004-May/msg00908.html Cheers. Jason. --- doug waud <douglas.waud(a)umassmed.edu> wrote: > Hi again > > This time, let's try focussing on one thing to try. > > I don't see that you have ever tried the standard way to restore > the MBR > for Windows --- boot a Windows floppy with fdisk on it and type > fdisk /mbr > and, if you still cannot boot windows, add a > sys c: > > It is not clear from here why you did not try this. > > doug > > > Gregory Avedissian wrote: > > doug waud wrote: > > > >> Hi again Greg > >> > >> Gregory Avedissian wrote: > >> > >>> There were three backups of the mbr. One made under dos with > >>> debug.exe, and the others made with linux as, > >>> > >>> dd if=/dev/hda of=/boot/boot.MBR bs=512 count=1 > >>> dd if=/dev/hda of=/boot/boot.446.MBR bs=446 count=1 > >>> > >>> I restored with: > >>> > >>> dd if=/boot/boot.MBR of=/dev/hda bs=512 count=1 > >>> I think maybe I picked the wrong one. > > > > > > > I admit I would have used the second, safer (since it does not > touch the > > > partition table), but I don't see why the 512 bs variant would > not have > > > worked unless you had changed the partition table since making > that > > > boot.MBR file. > > > > No, I didn't change the partition table. I made these backups > within > > days of installing, so that I would have copies of a new, working > mbr. > > > >> > >> It is hard to tell what went wrong until you tell us what you > were > >> doing just before the system no longer would boot. (Those two > lines > >> creating the boot.xyz files would only read from the first 512 > or 446 > >> bytes not do any writing there so they cannot be the cause of > your > >> troubles.) > >> > >> > >> Why don't you boot from a bootable floppy? Alternatively, start > the > >> SuSE recovery mechanism which includes "boot an installed > system" as > >> an option. If all that is screwed up it the MBR, you could then > simply > >> run LILO to refresh it. > >> > > > > I had a new win98 installation working ok, then I installed > suse8.2 > > and set it up so that it would boot with GRUB from floppy. I > don't recall > > if I ever tried to boot from the harddrive to get into windows > after I > > installed suse, but I know I could get there from the floppy. > > > > When I did try to boot off the hard drive two days ago, it hung > with the > > message, "Disk boot failure. Insert system disk." > > > > I could still boot to win or linux from the grub floppy at this > point. I > > tried restoring the mbr in dos with debug.exe, and that didn't > help. I > > could still boot to linux with the floppy, and I can't remember > if I > > could still boot to windows. Then I tried restoring with > > dd if=/boot/boot.MBR of=/dev/hda bs=512 count=1 > > > > After that, I couldn't boot from the grub floppy anymore. Trying > to boot > > the installed system from the rescue disk also failed. I then > booted to > > the rescue system. Output of sfdisk -l looked like this: > > > > Disk /dev/hda: 3737 cylinders, 255 heads, 63 sectors/track > > /dev/hda: unrecognized partition > > No partitions found > > > > Repeating the restore procedure with debug.exe didn't help, > either. > > > > > > Thanks, > > Greg > > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail

July 25, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Partition table blues

by doug waud

Hi again This time, let's try focussing on one thing to try. I don't see that you have ever tried the standard way to restore the MBR for Windows --- boot a Windows floppy with fdisk on it and type fdisk /mbr and, if you still cannot boot windows, add a sys c: It is not clear from here why you did not try this. doug Gregory Avedissian wrote: > doug waud wrote: > >> Hi again Greg >> >> Gregory Avedissian wrote: >> >>> There were three backups of the mbr. One made under dos with >>> debug.exe, and the others made with linux as, >>> >>> dd if=/dev/hda of=/boot/boot.MBR bs=512 count=1 >>> dd if=/dev/hda of=/boot/boot.446.MBR bs=446 count=1 >>> >>> I restored with: >>> >>> dd if=/boot/boot.MBR of=/dev/hda bs=512 count=1 >>> I think maybe I picked the wrong one. > > > > I admit I would have used the second, safer (since it does not touch the > > partition table), but I don't see why the 512 bs variant would not have > > worked unless you had changed the partition table since making that > > boot.MBR file. > > No, I didn't change the partition table. I made these backups within > days of installing, so that I would have copies of a new, working mbr. > >> >> It is hard to tell what went wrong until you tell us what you were >> doing just before the system no longer would boot. (Those two lines >> creating the boot.xyz files would only read from the first 512 or 446 >> bytes not do any writing there so they cannot be the cause of your >> troubles.) >> >> >> Why don't you boot from a bootable floppy? Alternatively, start the >> SuSE recovery mechanism which includes "boot an installed system" as >> an option. If all that is screwed up it the MBR, you could then simply >> run LILO to refresh it. >> > > I had a new win98 installation working ok, then I installed suse8.2 > and set it up so that it would boot with GRUB from floppy. I don't recall > if I ever tried to boot from the harddrive to get into windows after I > installed suse, but I know I could get there from the floppy. > > When I did try to boot off the hard drive two days ago, it hung with the > message, "Disk boot failure. Insert system disk." > > I could still boot to win or linux from the grub floppy at this point. I > tried restoring the mbr in dos with debug.exe, and that didn't help. I > could still boot to linux with the floppy, and I can't remember if I > could still boot to windows. Then I tried restoring with > dd if=/boot/boot.MBR of=/dev/hda bs=512 count=1 > > After that, I couldn't boot from the grub floppy anymore. Trying to boot > the installed system from the rescue disk also failed. I then booted to > the rescue system. Output of sfdisk -l looked like this: > > Disk /dev/hda: 3737 cylinders, 255 heads, 63 sectors/track > /dev/hda: unrecognized partition > No partitions found > > Repeating the restore procedure with debug.exe didn't help, either. > > > Thanks, > Greg >

July 25, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Partition table blues

by Gregory Avedissian

doug waud wrote: > Hi again Greg > > Gregory Avedissian wrote: > >> There were three backups of the mbr. One made under dos with >> debug.exe, and the others made with linux as, >> >> dd if=/dev/hda of=/boot/boot.MBR bs=512 count=1 >> dd if=/dev/hda of=/boot/boot.446.MBR bs=446 count=1 >> >> I restored with: >> >> dd if=/boot/boot.MBR of=/dev/hda bs=512 count=1 >> I think maybe I picked the wrong one. > I admit I would have used the second, safer (since it does not touch the > partition table), but I don't see why the 512 bs variant would not have > worked unless you had changed the partition table since making that > boot.MBR file. No, I didn't change the partition table. I made these backups within days of installing, so that I would have copies of a new, working mbr. > > It is hard to tell what went wrong until you tell us what you were doing > just before the system no longer would boot. (Those two lines creating > the boot.xyz files would only read from the first 512 or 446 bytes not > do any writing there so they cannot be the cause of your troubles.) > > > Why don't you boot from a bootable floppy? Alternatively, start the SuSE > recovery mechanism which includes "boot an installed system" as an > option. If all that is screwed up it the MBR, you could then simply run > LILO to refresh it. > I had a new win98 installation working ok, then I installed suse8.2 and set it up so that it would boot with GRUB from floppy. I don't recall if I ever tried to boot from the harddrive to get into windows after I installed suse, but I know I could get there from the floppy. When I did try to boot off the hard drive two days ago, it hung with the message, "Disk boot failure. Insert system disk." I could still boot to win or linux from the grub floppy at this point. I tried restoring the mbr in dos with debug.exe, and that didn't help. I could still boot to linux with the floppy, and I can't remember if I could still boot to windows. Then I tried restoring with dd if=/boot/boot.MBR of=/dev/hda bs=512 count=1 After that, I couldn't boot from the grub floppy anymore. Trying to boot the installed system from the rescue disk also failed. I then booted to the rescue system. Output of sfdisk -l looked like this: Disk /dev/hda: 3737 cylinders, 255 heads, 63 sectors/track /dev/hda: unrecognized partition No partitions found Repeating the restore procedure with debug.exe didn't help, either. Thanks, Greg

July 25, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Partition table blues

by doug waud

Hi again Greg Gregory Avedissian wrote: > There were three backups of the mbr. One made under dos with debug.exe, > and the others made with linux as, > > dd if=/dev/hda of=/boot/boot.MBR bs=512 count=1 > dd if=/dev/hda of=/boot/boot.446.MBR bs=446 count=1 > > I restored with: > > dd if=/boot/boot.MBR of=/dev/hda bs=512 count=1 > I think maybe I picked the wrong one. I admit I would have used the second, safer (since it does not touch the partition table), but I don't see why the 512 bs variant would not have worked unless you had changed the partition table since making that boot.MBR file. > also tried restoring with > debug.exe, according to a long set of instructions that I could provide > but not explain. Unfortunately, the only copies of the linux versions > were on the hard drive, so I couldn't repeat that unless (until) I can > suck the files off the lost drive. Why don't you boot from a bootable floppy? Alternatively, start the SuSE recovery mechanism which includes "boot an installed system" as an option. If all that is screwed up it the MBR, you could then simply run LILO to refresh it. > There's a good possibility of retrieving those files, along with the > data files I want, thanks to a friend. Or see above. > And I probably won't even keep > the drive as a win/linux combo, but start over again with two drives. While I agree that's a good idea in general, it will still not prevent you blowing away something if you put your mind to it! :-) > But I'd still like to know where I went wrong and if there's a way to > reverse it. It is hard to tell what went wrong until you tell us what you were doing just before the system no longer would boot. (Those two lines creating the boot.xyz files would only read from the first 512 or 446 bytes not do any writing there so they cannot be the cause of your troubles.) Note that generally, when you are asking for help, providing your diagnosis (i.e. "I blew away the MBR") is not very helpful. Rather your should provide an objective description of what is not happening correctly, like "I can no longer boot linux" etc. The point is that, since you are in over your head (or you would not be posting a query), your diagnosis is not going to be very reliable so anyone trying to help you will need to know what your were actually doing just before the problem arose not what you think you did. They can then make their diagnosis and/or prognosis/treatment. doug

July 25, 2004

Problem with mount command

by Andy Stewart

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 HI Everybody, I have a problem with 'mount' between versions 2.11x and 2.12. Under 2.11x, this command worked just fine: mount -o port=3049,intr localhost:/null /crypt However, with the 2.12 version of mount, the command hangs and never returns. I have to kill the mount process to recover. Strace reports that the process is hanging at the "mount" call. Also, under 2.12, I do see entries in /var/log/messages indicating that a successful request was made to export /null: Jul 24 18:51:58 tux mountd[1843]: NFS mount of /null attempted from 127.0.0.1 Jul 24 18:51:58 tux mountd[1843]: /null has been mounted by 127.0.0.1 However, in another window, the "mount" command by itself does not show the NFS mount. All other NFS exporting/importing operations work just fine. The difference seems to be the two versions of mount and the use of the "port" option. I've downloaded the util-linux sources but so far cannot find a change that would effect this behavior. In case you are wondering what brought all of this about, I am trying to get my cryptographic file system (CFS by Matt Blaze) working under SuSE 9.1. I found a version of /bin/mount from another Linux system, and using that, I can access my files, but I really want to know why version 2.12 of util-linux broke/changed things. Any thoughts would be appreciated. Thanks! Andy - -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA USA http://www.wlug.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFBAwW9Hl0iXDssISsRAiB6AJ0fLoy8/P0GXccouoAvJA5PhclAVACcCv2J 13io+TWed0PHS0xYQpZV7fE= =Dufw -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

July 25, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Partition table blues

by Gregory Avedissian

There were three backups of the mbr. One made under dos with debug.exe, and the others made with linux as, dd if=/dev/hda of=/boot/boot.MBR bs=512 count=1 dd if=/dev/hda of=/boot/boot.446.MBR bs=446 count=1 I restored with: dd if=/boot/boot.MBR of=/dev/hda bs=512 count=1 I think maybe I picked the wrong one. I also tried restoring with debug.exe, according to a long set of instructions that I could provide but not explain. Unfortunately, the only copies of the linux versions were on the hard drive, so I couldn't repeat that unless (until) I can suck the files off the lost drive. There's a good possibility of retrieving those files, along with the data files I want, thanks to a friend. And I probably won't even keep the drive as a win/linux combo, but start over again with two drives. But I'd still like to know where I went wrong and if there's a way to reverse it. Thanks, Greg doug waud wrote: > Hi Greg > > Gregory Avedissian wrote: > >> Yup. I blew it away. I had win98 and suse 8.2 on the same hard drive, >> booting linux from floppy. Noticed that I could no longer boot windows >> from the hard drive, so I attemted to restore the mbr that I'd saved >> earlier. > > > You don't say how you tried to "restore" but it sounds like you might > have tried to do it within SuSE by copying the mbr copy SuSE makes into > the mbr space. If so, you still have another option. You can use windows > fdisk as > fdisk /mbr > You may then have to do something to get command.com and msdos.sys files > back into place; I think the command is > > sys c: > > but am not sure (long time since I have played with Windows) (i.e. > sometimes just the fdisk /mbr is not enough). I believe all this > requires a dos/windows boot disk which should have the requisite tools > on it. Read the manual to confirm that sys command :-) > > Also, can you boot into Linux (you made a boot disk didn't you) and > simply run LILO. > > Try the simple things before screwing around with parted. > > Finally, it is generally a good idea to be more specific about what you > did to get into trouble and what you have tried. It makes Dx and Rx > easier for the reader. > > doug > > PS now you know why it is a good idea to have a hard copy of /etc/fstab > and of the output of fdisk -l for each hard drive in your system! :-) > > PPS My spelling checker thinks fdisk should be frisk and sys should be > sighs. :-) > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

July 24, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Partition table blues

by doug waud

Hi Greg Gregory Avedissian wrote: > Yup. I blew it away. I had win98 and suse 8.2 on the same hard drive, > booting linux from floppy. Noticed that I could no longer boot windows > from the hard drive, so I attemted to restore the mbr that I'd saved > earlier. You don't say how you tried to "restore" but it sounds like you might have tried to do it within SuSE by copying the mbr copy SuSE makes into the mbr space. If so, you still have another option. You can use windows fdisk as fdisk /mbr You may then have to do something to get command.com and msdos.sys files back into place; I think the command is sys c: but am not sure (long time since I have played with Windows) (i.e. sometimes just the fdisk /mbr is not enough). I believe all this requires a dos/windows boot disk which should have the requisite tools on it. Read the manual to confirm that sys command :-) Also, can you boot into Linux (you made a boot disk didn't you) and simply run LILO. Try the simple things before screwing around with parted. Finally, it is generally a good idea to be more specific about what you did to get into trouble and what you have tried. It makes Dx and Rx easier for the reader. doug PS now you know why it is a good idea to have a hard copy of /etc/fstab and of the output of fdisk -l for each hard drive in your system! :-) PPS My spelling checker thinks fdisk should be frisk and sys should be sighs. :-)

July 24, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Partition table blues

by Mike Leo

are you looking for a way to recover the files or to rebuild the mbr? What filesystem was it? ext3? fat? Several ways to recover files if fat/ntfs through software...one program i have heard of to recover ext2 filesystem...ill try and find the name. --- Gregory Avedissian <gma2004(a)verizon.net> wrote: > Yup. I blew it away. I had win98 and suse 8.2 on > the same hard drive, > booting linux from floppy. Noticed that I could no > longer boot windows > from the hard drive, so I attemted to restore the > mbr that I'd saved > earlier. That didn't work, my partition table is > gone, and I can't get > there from here. > > Parted has a function called something like 'Guess > at partition near START > and END'. I assume it's looking for cylindar > numbers. Is there a way to > get those if I didn't write them down when I > partitioned the drive? I do > have the sizes of the partitions, to the nearest 0.1 > GB. > > Looking for a free solution here. I did find a $90 > solution that runs in > windows and teases me by showing the files but not > letting me copy or view > them. > > Thanks, > Greg > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Express yourself with Y! Messenger! Free. Download now. http://messenger.yahoo.com

July 24, 2004

Partition table blues

by Gregory Avedissian

Yup. I blew it away. I had win98 and suse 8.2 on the same hard drive, booting linux from floppy. Noticed that I could no longer boot windows from the hard drive, so I attemted to restore the mbr that I'd saved earlier. That didn't work, my partition table is gone, and I can't get there from here. Parted has a function called something like 'Guess at partition near START and END'. I assume it's looking for cylindar numbers. Is there a way to get those if I didn't write them down when I partitioned the drive? I do have the sizes of the partitions, to the nearest 0.1 GB. Looking for a free solution here. I did find a $90 solution that runs in windows and teases me by showing the files but not letting me copy or view them. Thanks, Greg

July 24, 2004

nice use of graphics in a web page

by doug waud

Hi all I suppose this is a non-rant. I usually bitch about unecessary complexity in web sites. A friend showed me this one (he is a decendant of one of the kids kidnapped there by the French and Indians) and I thought the picture of the change with time of the area was very well done. http://1704.deerfield.history.museum/ doug

July 23, 2004

Re: [Wlug] fetchmail/MS IMAP/8 bit

by Bill Mills-Curran

On Thu, Jul 22, 2004 at 10:27:06AM -0400, Charles R. Anderson wrote: > On Thu, Jul 22, 2004 at 10:07:46AM -0400, Bill Mills-Curran wrote: > > {\rtf1\ansi\ansicpg1252\deff0\deflang1033{\fonttbl{\f0\fswiss\fcharset0 > > Arial;}{\f1\fswiss\fprq2\fcharset0 Arial;}} > > If you are getting the RTF through, can you view the RTF in e.g. > OpenOffice? > > Does Linux support the Windows-1252 character set and the given fonts? > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug Charles, The RTF is not getting through. Bill

July 22, 2004

Re: [Wlug] fetchmail/MS IMAP/8 bit

by Charles R. Anderson

On Thu, Jul 22, 2004 at 10:07:46AM -0400, Bill Mills-Curran wrote: > {\rtf1\ansi\ansicpg1252\deff0\deflang1033{\fonttbl{\f0\fswiss\fcharset0 > Arial;}{\f1\fswiss\fprq2\fcharset0 Arial;}} If you are getting the RTF through, can you view the RTF in e.g. OpenOffice? Does Linux support the Windows-1252 character set and the given fonts?

July 22, 2004

Re: [Wlug] fetchmail/MS IMAP/8 bit

by Scott Venier

Bill Mills-Curran said: > So, perhaps this is a mime problem with fetchmail? Or, is IMAP still > a possible offender? > You can find out if IMAP is the problem by telnetting directly to the IMAP port on the exchange server and just typing the IMAP commands directly. I don't know them off the top of my head, but I bet google could find them for you pretty quickly. Scott

July 22, 2004

Re: [Wlug] fetchmail/MS IMAP/8 bit

by Bill Mills-Curran

On Thu, Jul 22, 2004 at 09:53:16AM -0400, Charles R. Anderson wrote: > On Thu, Jul 22, 2004 at 09:45:05AM -0400, Bill Mills-Curran wrote: > > I'm sure that the mail reader (mutt in my case) has nothing to do with > > it, because I looked at the "raw" output file that fetchmail > > delivered, and the color (8 bit) codes were gone. > > What 8-bit color code are they using? ANSI escape sequences? > > > I made the codes using rich text in MS Outlook. (I only did that for > > Rich Text is just plain 7-bit ASCII with markup, ala HTML, isn't it? > I don't see how an 8-bit issue could prevent transmission of RTF. > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug Charles, Right you are... It's not an 8-bit issue. Maybe it's even a mime issue. I sent myself a color message and saved it to a file in Outlook. Here's the file: **************************************************************** {\rtf1\ansi\ansicpg1252\deff0\deflang1033{\fonttbl{\f0\fswiss\fcharset0 Arial;}{\f1\fswiss\fprq2\fcharset0 Arial;}} {\colortbl ;\red0\green0\blue0;\red51\green153\blue102;} {\*\generator Riched20 5.40.11.2210;}\viewkind4\uc1\pard\fi-1800\li1800\tx1800\cf1\b\f0\fs20 From:\tab\b0 Mills-Curran, Bill\par \b Sent:\tab\b0 Thursday, July 22, 2004 10:04 AM\par \b To:\tab\b0 Mills-Curran, Bill\par \b Subject:\tab\b0 color test\par \pard\cf0\f1 It\rquote s not easy being \cf2 green.\par \par \pard\fi-1800\li1800\tx1800\cf1\f0\par } **************************************************************** So, perhaps this is a mime problem with fetchmail? Or, is IMAP still a possible offender? Thanks, Bill

July 22, 2004

Re: [Wlug] fetchmail/MS IMAP/8 bit

by Charles R. Anderson

On Thu, Jul 22, 2004 at 09:45:05AM -0400, Bill Mills-Curran wrote: > I'm sure that the mail reader (mutt in my case) has nothing to do with > it, because I looked at the "raw" output file that fetchmail > delivered, and the color (8 bit) codes were gone. What 8-bit color code are they using? ANSI escape sequences? > I made the codes using rich text in MS Outlook. (I only did that for Rich Text is just plain 7-bit ASCII with markup, ala HTML, isn't it? I don't see how an 8-bit issue could prevent transmission of RTF.

July 22, 2004

Re: [Wlug] fetchmail/MS IMAP/8 bit

by Bill Mills-Curran

On Thu, Jul 22, 2004 at 02:41:33AM -0400, Keith Wright wrote: > > From: Bill Mills-Curran <bill(a)mills-curran.net> > > > > I'm having troubles retaining special (8 bit?) encoding in email > > messages from the MS Exchange server where I work. Here's the normal > > path of my data: > > > > MS Exchange -> MS(?) IMAP -> fetchmail -> linux sendmail -> procmail > > -> mutt > > > > By the time an email with color fonts gets to mutt, the color is > > gone. As a test, I modified my .fetchmailrc to specify "cat" as my > > MDA so eliminated sendmail, procmail and mutt as offenders. > > > > I've also added "pass8bits" to my .fetchmailrc -- no improvement. > > > > Thus, I've narrowed the suspects to MS IMAP and fetchmail. > > > > Does anyone have experience with this problem? > > Well, I use Emacs to read mail. All my mail is green on black, > with some yellow headers. I like it that way and there is nothing > MS Exchange or anybody else can do about it. I'm sure that the mail reader (mutt in my case) has nothing to do with it, because I looked at the "raw" output file that fetchmail delivered, and the color (8 bit) codes were gone. > > You don't say how you made colored fonts in the first place. > If you are using HTML to specify fonts then I don't see how > the loss of them can have anything to do with 8-bit encoding, > because HTML is just Ascii with extra structure. I made the codes using rich text in MS Outlook. (I only did that for a test.) The colors I'm interested in seeing are used by other employees to flag specific text in their email, and I'm at a disadvantage because I can't see their highlighting. > > Could you be sending MIME Content-Type: multipart/alternative, > with Mutt set to read the Ascii alternative? I don't suspect that it's a mime issue, but I could be wrong. (It's been known to happen. :-) ) > > If you are trying to send DOS screen colors in the high order > bytes---I don't know what to say---you aren't doing that right? I don't claim that MS is doing anything right, but I'm stuck with trying to comply with their data. > > I didn't understand what you meant by using 'cat' as a MDA. > Unix 'cat' copies a file. Do you mean you copied a file from > your local disk into fetchmail thus bypassing IMAP but using Mutt, > or do you mean you copied incoming mail directly to the screen, > thus bypassing Mutt but using IMAP? Or am I out in the weeds? Here's the MDA story. By default, fetchmail delivers (outputs) messages to your local sendmail process. You can have fetchmail do something different if you like. (For a while, I just had it deliver to a file. [Yes, I managed locking.]) For this test, I wanted to eliminate sendmail as the cause of the problem, so I told fetchmail to use "cat" as the mail delivery agent (MDA). This would output the message directly to my interactive process, which I redirect to a file. I could look at that file several ways to confirm that the color codes had been stripped. So, I think that the MS IMAP and fetchmail are the only remaining suspects. > > -- Keith > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug Thanks, Bill

July 22, 2004

Re: [Wlug] fetchmail/MS IMAP/8 bit

by Keith Wright

> From: Bill Mills-Curran <bill(a)mills-curran.net> > > I'm having troubles retaining special (8 bit?) encoding in email > messages from the MS Exchange server where I work. Here's the normal > path of my data: > > MS Exchange -> MS(?) IMAP -> fetchmail -> linux sendmail -> procmail > -> mutt > > By the time an email with color fonts gets to mutt, the color is > gone. As a test, I modified my .fetchmailrc to specify "cat" as my > MDA so eliminated sendmail, procmail and mutt as offenders. > > I've also added "pass8bits" to my .fetchmailrc -- no improvement. > > Thus, I've narrowed the suspects to MS IMAP and fetchmail. > > Does anyone have experience with this problem? Well, I use Emacs to read mail. All my mail is green on black, with some yellow headers. I like it that way and there is nothing MS Exchange or anybody else can do about it. You don't say how you made colored fonts in the first place. If you are using HTML to specify fonts then I don't see how the loss of them can have anything to do with 8-bit encoding, because HTML is just Ascii with extra structure. Could you be sending MIME Content-Type: multipart/alternative, with Mutt set to read the Ascii alternative? If you are trying to send DOS screen colors in the high order bytes---I don't know what to say---you aren't doing that right? I didn't understand what you meant by using 'cat' as a MDA. Unix 'cat' copies a file. Do you mean you copied a file from your local disk into fetchmail thus bypassing IMAP but using Mutt, or do you mean you copied incoming mail directly to the screen, thus bypassing Mutt but using IMAP? Or am I out in the weeds? -- Keith

July 22, 2004

fetchmail/MS IMAP/8 bit

by Bill Mills-Curran

I'm having troubles retaining special (8 bit?) encoding in email messages from the MS Exchange server where I work. Here's the normal path of my data: MS Exchange -> MS(?) IMAP -> fetchmail -> linux sendmail -> procmail -> mutt By the time an email with color fonts gets to mutt, the color is gone. As a test, I modified my .fetchmailrc to specify "cat" as my MDA so eliminated sendmail, procmail and mutt as offenders. I've also added "pass8bits" to my .fetchmailrc -- no improvement. Thus, I've narrowed the suspects to MS IMAP and fetchmail. Does anyone have experience with this problem? My environment: Redhat 9 fetchmail -V: > fetchmail -V This is fetchmail release 6.2.0+IMAP-GSS+NTLM+SSL+INET6+NLS Fallback MDA: (none) Linux esd-bcurran 2.4.20-30.9smp #1 SMP Wed Feb 4 20:36:46 EST 2004 i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux Taking options from command line and /x/x/.fetchmailrc Idfile is /x/x/.fetchids Fetchmail will forward misaddressed multidrop messages to bcurran. Options for retrieving from CORP/x(a)x.com: True name of server is corpusmx1.us.dg.com. Protocol is IMAP. Password authentication will be forced. Server nonresponse timeout is 30 seconds. Default mailbox selected. All messages will be retrieved (--all on). Fetched messages will not be kept on the server (--keep off). Old messages will not be flushed before message retrieval (--flush off). Rewrite of server-local addresses is enabled (--norewrite off). Carriage-return stripping is disabled (stripcr off). Carriage-return forcing is disabled (forcecr off). Interpretation of Content-Transfer-Encoding is disabled (pass8bits on). MIME decoding is disabled (mimedecode off). Idle after poll is disabled (idle off). Nonempty Status lines will be kept (dropstatus off) Delivered-To lines will be kept (dropdelivered off) Received-message limit is 5 (--fetchlimit 5). Messages will be SMTP-forwarded to: localhost (default) Single-drop mode: 1 local name(s) recognized. No UIDs saved from this host. IMAP: Microsoft Exchange IMAP4rev1 server version 5.5.2657.74 TIA, Bill

July 21, 2004

Re: [Wlug] USB mouse - left handed ?

by Gregory Avedissian

Charles, Thanks, that's very interesting. Seems like they should have put the screws on the ps2 connectors instead of on the serial connectors. They're shallow plugs that come out very easily. I'm familiar with that keystroke trick with switching screens. I used to have to do that every time I started KDE until I went into the power management section, checked the box for Enable display power management, and then set Standby, Suspend and Power off to disabled. Now, I only have to do the key trick when I start mplayer. Greg Charles R. Anderson wrote: > On Tue, Jul 20, 2004 at 09:19:29PM -0400, Gregory Avedissian wrote: > >>Can anyone tell me if there's an advantage to plugging the mouse or the >>keyboard into usb rather than ps2? > > > USB was designed to be hot-swappable. PS/2 was not. > > If you are lucky, your modern systems and peripherals may work after > hotswapping PS/2. Otherwise, you may have problems with certain > combinations of hardware and software. Linux/XFree86/Xorg-X11 is > especially bad at handling PS/2 swapping. > > If you are unlucky (mainly older hardware) you will fry your PS/2 > controller if you attempt to hot-swap. Some "keyboard wedge" barcode > scanning wands are notorious for this. > > Most KVM switches will emulate an active interface to every computer's > PS/2 ports that appears always connected to a keyboard/mouse, so the > computer won't see them go away when the KVM is controlling a > different PC. However, as there are several protocols a PS/2 mouse > can speak, often a KVM will interfere by emulating the wrong thing. > Sometimes one computer will reprogram the mouse and that will mess up > its use on another computer after switching. I encounter this often. > Usually Ctrl-Alt-F1 followed by Ctrl-Alt-F7 works to bring the mouse > back to sanity in X11 after such a KVM input change, but not before > the mouse has had a chance to randomly paste junk and click randomly > all over my open applications. > > Finally, some laptops and computers with laptop-style 3.3 volt PS/2 > controller chips in them (e.g. most recent Dells) won't work with PS/2 > extender cables or some KVM switches (e.g. Belkin). On mine I had to > purchase a PS/2-keyboard/mouse-to-USB adapter to plug into my Dell USB > port to allow the KVM switch to work. > > PS/2 needs to die. > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > >

July 21, 2004

Re: [Wlug] USB mouse - left handed ?

by Charles R. Anderson

On Tue, Jul 20, 2004 at 09:19:29PM -0400, Gregory Avedissian wrote: > Can anyone tell me if there's an advantage to plugging the mouse or the > keyboard into usb rather than ps2? USB was designed to be hot-swappable. PS/2 was not. If you are lucky, your modern systems and peripherals may work after hotswapping PS/2. Otherwise, you may have problems with certain combinations of hardware and software. Linux/XFree86/Xorg-X11 is especially bad at handling PS/2 swapping. If you are unlucky (mainly older hardware) you will fry your PS/2 controller if you attempt to hot-swap. Some "keyboard wedge" barcode scanning wands are notorious for this. Most KVM switches will emulate an active interface to every computer's PS/2 ports that appears always connected to a keyboard/mouse, so the computer won't see them go away when the KVM is controlling a different PC. However, as there are several protocols a PS/2 mouse can speak, often a KVM will interfere by emulating the wrong thing. Sometimes one computer will reprogram the mouse and that will mess up its use on another computer after switching. I encounter this often. Usually Ctrl-Alt-F1 followed by Ctrl-Alt-F7 works to bring the mouse back to sanity in X11 after such a KVM input change, but not before the mouse has had a chance to randomly paste junk and click randomly all over my open applications. Finally, some laptops and computers with laptop-style 3.3 volt PS/2 controller chips in them (e.g. most recent Dells) won't work with PS/2 extender cables or some KVM switches (e.g. Belkin). On mine I had to purchase a PS/2-keyboard/mouse-to-USB adapter to plug into my Dell USB port to allow the KVM switch to work. PS/2 needs to die.

July 21, 2004

Re: [Wlug] USB mouse - left handed ?

by Andy Stewart

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Tuesday 20 July 2004 9:14 pm, Gregory Avedissian wrote: > I use my mouse left-handed, and it never occurred to me to switch the > buttons. Just switch your fingers. Well, yes, but my fingers are already trained differently. :-) One one of my trackballs (ps/2), there's a DIP switch to do this swapping of left/right. However, the USB version of this trackball appears not to have the same functionality (CH Products DT225). > I just went into kde control center (suse 8.2), and there's a choice for > left-handed mouse. After trying it with the buttons reversed, I retract my > initial suggestion and recommend that you get it to work the way you're > used to. Maybe a USB to PS2 adapter plug would do the trick. I'm using the > one that came with my new mouse. I tried the KDE control center, but it didn't work on this mouse(!). It has worked on all other mice/trackballs except this USB trackball. I also tried a USB->PS2 adapter, and then the trackball doesn't work at all. > Can anyone tell me if there's an advantage to plugging the mouse or the > keyboard into usb rather than ps2? Advantage? I think not. They're just different. Thanks, Andy - -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA USA http://www.wlug.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFA/cdGHl0iXDssISsRAhgBAJ9sv7RY919sGddleqsKlPzt9XK1ZQCdFITl 1go+6IbX9RYM+xghj/VF70w= =ygbl -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

July 21, 2004

Re: [Wlug] USB mouse - left handed ?

by Gregory Avedissian

I use my mouse left-handed, and it never occurred to me to switch the buttons. Just switch your fingers. I just went into kde control center (suse 8.2), and there's a choice for left-handed mouse. After trying it with the buttons reversed, I retract my initial suggestion and recommend that you get it to work the way you're used to. Maybe a USB to PS2 adapter plug would do the trick. I'm using the one that came with my new mouse. Can anyone tell me if there's an advantage to plugging the mouse or the keyboard into usb rather than ps2? Greg Andy Stewart wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > > HI gang, > > I am running a USB mouse on a RedHat 7.3 system (ancient version...don't > ask...). In KDE 3.0, I use the GUI to change to left handed, but it has no > effect. I also tried ' xmodmap -e "pointer = 3 2 1 " ' to no avail. Other > than the fact that I cannot switch the two buttons, the mouse (trackball > actually) works fine. gpm is not installed on this sytem, and I don't have > root privs. > > Does anybody have any suggestions as to what else I should try (or rather, > what else I should ask my sysadmin to try) ? > > Thanks, > > Andy > > - -- > Andy Stewart, Founder > Worcester Linux Users' Group > Worcester, MA USA > http://www.wlug.org > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) > > iD8DBQFA/bFiHl0iXDssISsRApk7AJwJecahdYUx70IXYfILrFJbR+rMQgCfevuX > K0gezxQ+ZovMw7lVpu+IAvs= > =jawy > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > >

July 21, 2004

USB mouse - left handed ?

by Andy Stewart

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 HI gang, I am running a USB mouse on a RedHat 7.3 system (ancient version...don't ask...). In KDE 3.0, I use the GUI to change to left handed, but it has no effect. I also tried ' xmodmap -e "pointer = 3 2 1 " ' to no avail. Other than the fact that I cannot switch the two buttons, the mouse (trackball actually) works fine. gpm is not installed on this sytem, and I don't have root privs. Does anybody have any suggestions as to what else I should try (or rather, what else I should ask my sysadmin to try) ? Thanks, Andy - -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA USA http://www.wlug.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFA/bFiHl0iXDssISsRApk7AJwJecahdYUx70IXYfILrFJbR+rMQgCfevuX K0gezxQ+ZovMw7lVpu+IAvs= =jawy -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

July 20, 2004

Open-source software running the Internet under the radar

by Karl Hiramoto

Open-source software running the Internet under the radar http://www.cnn.com/2004/TECH/internet/07/20/open.source.ap/index.html -- -- Karl Hiramoto karl at hiramoto dot org http://karl.hiramoto.org/ Mobile: 508.517.4819 Work: 978-425-2090

July 20, 2004

REMINDER: WLUG BBQ

by Andy Stewart

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 HI Everybody, This is a reminder about the upcoming WLUG BBQ, which will be held in Shrewsbury MA on Wednesday, July 21st at 6:00 PM (yes, that's 6:00 PM). Directions are on the WLUG website. See ya there! Andy - -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA USA http://www.wlug.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFA/QQ+Hl0iXDssISsRAlSLAJ0bXRs7rvQWzXinfTb5u/DnL8lECACghv34 akxPaMUWd/KH5UStKUuNeN0= =mEX9 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

July 20, 2004

Re: [Wlug] invincible processes

by Gregory Avedissian

OK, I found a discussion about uninterruptible sleep, and I'm sure the problem is with the usb flash device. It did the same thing in the new installation. Killing my bash shell and logging in again allowed me to unmount the device. I think I might have toasted it a few days ago when I accidentally unplugged the ps2 mouse instead of the usb. It's got a bunch of files with unintelligible names on it now, so I guess I'll try formatting it again. Thanks, Greg Gregory Avedissian wrote: > I rebooted the offending drive, and everything seemed to be working fine > until I plugged in my usb stick and tried to save a file to it. KWrite > would not die. Copying from command line stalled, and control-c wouldn't > end it. > > When I looked back at system messages from Friday, I found this: > Jul 16 01:23:43 linux kernel: Filesystem panic (dev 08:01). > Jul 16 01:23:43 linux kernel: FAT error > Jul 16 01:23:43 linux kernel: File system has been set read-only > Jul 16 01:23:43 linux kernel: Directory 230: bad FAT > > Jul 16 01:23:43 linux kernel: attempt to access beyond end of device > Jul 16 01:23:43 linux kernel: 08:01: rw=0, want=131201, limit=125936 > > But that didn't happen when the problem occurred today. Output from ps > auxw and dmesg are below. > > Thanks, > Greg > > > ps auxw: > root 2724 0.6 3.0 31932 15648 ? D 19:24 0:00 kdeinit: kwrite > > dmesg: > usb.c: USB device 3 (vend/prod 0x3538/0x31) is not claimed by any active > driver. > Initializing USB Mass Storage driver... > usb.c: registered new driver usb-storage > scsi1 : SCSI emulation for USB Mass Storage devices > Vendor: I-Stick2 Model: IntelligentStick Rev: > Type: Direct-Access ANSI SCSI revision: 02 > Attached scsi removable disk sda at scsi1, channel 0, id 0, lun 0 > SCSI device sda: 251904 512-byte hdwr sectors (129 MB) > sda: Write Protect is off > sda: sda4 > WARNING: USB Mass Storage data integrity not assured > USB Mass Storage device found at 3 > USB Mass Storage support registered. > usb-uhci.c: interrupt, status 2, frame# 760 > usb-uhci.c: interrupt, status 3, frame# 1350 > ----------------- > > > Charles R. Anderson wrote: > >> On Sun, Jul 18, 2004 at 10:56:34AM -0400, Gregory Avedissian wrote: >> >>> I just had some strange stuff happen to my SuSE 8.2 installation - >>> it's stalling when I try to copy files and run some programs. If I >>> try to kill the process, it doesn't go away (kill -9 pid, as root), >>> and the machine won't shut down because stuff is still running. >> >> >> >> What does "ps auxw" show for those processes? Are they in 'D' or 'Z' >> state? >> >> Does "dmesg" show any kernel errors? >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wlug mailing list >> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > >

July 19, 2004

Re: [Wlug] invincible processes

by Gregory Avedissian

I rebooted the offending drive, and everything seemed to be working fine until I plugged in my usb stick and tried to save a file to it. KWrite would not die. Copying from command line stalled, and control-c wouldn't end it. When I looked back at system messages from Friday, I found this: Jul 16 01:23:43 linux kernel: Filesystem panic (dev 08:01). Jul 16 01:23:43 linux kernel: FAT error Jul 16 01:23:43 linux kernel: File system has been set read-only Jul 16 01:23:43 linux kernel: Directory 230: bad FAT Jul 16 01:23:43 linux kernel: attempt to access beyond end of device Jul 16 01:23:43 linux kernel: 08:01: rw=0, want=131201, limit=125936 But that didn't happen when the problem occurred today. Output from ps auxw and dmesg are below. Thanks, Greg ps auxw: root 2724 0.6 3.0 31932 15648 ? D 19:24 0:00 kdeinit: kwrite dmesg: usb.c: USB device 3 (vend/prod 0x3538/0x31) is not claimed by any active driver. Initializing USB Mass Storage driver... usb.c: registered new driver usb-storage scsi1 : SCSI emulation for USB Mass Storage devices Vendor: I-Stick2 Model: IntelligentStick Rev: Type: Direct-Access ANSI SCSI revision: 02 Attached scsi removable disk sda at scsi1, channel 0, id 0, lun 0 SCSI device sda: 251904 512-byte hdwr sectors (129 MB) sda: Write Protect is off sda: sda4 WARNING: USB Mass Storage data integrity not assured USB Mass Storage device found at 3 USB Mass Storage support registered. usb-uhci.c: interrupt, status 2, frame# 760 usb-uhci.c: interrupt, status 3, frame# 1350 ----------------- Charles R. Anderson wrote: > On Sun, Jul 18, 2004 at 10:56:34AM -0400, Gregory Avedissian wrote: > >>I just had some strange stuff happen to my SuSE 8.2 installation - it's >>stalling when I try to copy files and run some programs. If I try to kill >>the process, it doesn't go away (kill -9 pid, as root), and the machine >>won't shut down because stuff is still running. > > > What does "ps auxw" show for those processes? Are they in 'D' or 'Z' > state? > > Does "dmesg" show any kernel errors? > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > >

July 19, 2004

Re: [Wlug] invincible processes

by Charles R. Anderson

On Sun, Jul 18, 2004 at 10:56:34AM -0400, Gregory Avedissian wrote: > I just had some strange stuff happen to my SuSE 8.2 installation - it's > stalling when I try to copy files and run some programs. If I try to kill > the process, it doesn't go away (kill -9 pid, as root), and the machine > won't shut down because stuff is still running. What does "ps auxw" show for those processes? Are they in 'D' or 'Z' state? Does "dmesg" show any kernel errors?

July 18, 2004

Re: [Wlug] invincible processes

by Gregory Avedissian

Thanks. The root partition (including /tmp) is only 80% full. I know I've had it higher than that in the past with no problems. Greg Bill Mills-Curran wrote: > On Sun, Jul 18, 2004 at 10:56:34AM -0400, Gregory Avedissian wrote: > >>I just had some strange stuff happen to my SuSE 8.2 installation - it's >>stalling when I try to copy files and run some programs. If I try to kill >>the process, it doesn't go away (kill -9 pid, as root), and the machine >>won't shut down because stuff is still running. >> >>This coincidentally happened the same day that I started to prepare a >>replacement hard drive, so it's not on a critical installation (in fact, >>it's going to be wiped), but I'd still like to know what's going on. Note >>that I totally disconnected this drive when I was installing on the new >>one, just to make sure I didn't do anything to hurt it. >> >>Any ideas on what this could be or where to look would be appreciated. >> >>Greg > > > Greg, > > Could you have disk space issues? I know when /tmp is full, strange > things happen. > > Bill > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > >

July 18, 2004

Re: [Wlug] invincible processes

by Bill Mills-Curran

On Sun, Jul 18, 2004 at 10:56:34AM -0400, Gregory Avedissian wrote: > I just had some strange stuff happen to my SuSE 8.2 installation - it's > stalling when I try to copy files and run some programs. If I try to kill > the process, it doesn't go away (kill -9 pid, as root), and the machine > won't shut down because stuff is still running. > > This coincidentally happened the same day that I started to prepare a > replacement hard drive, so it's not on a critical installation (in fact, > it's going to be wiped), but I'd still like to know what's going on. Note > that I totally disconnected this drive when I was installing on the new > one, just to make sure I didn't do anything to hurt it. > > Any ideas on what this could be or where to look would be appreciated. > > Greg Greg, Could you have disk space issues? I know when /tmp is full, strange things happen. Bill

July 18, 2004

invincible processes

by Gregory Avedissian

I just had some strange stuff happen to my SuSE 8.2 installation - it's stalling when I try to copy files and run some programs. If I try to kill the process, it doesn't go away (kill -9 pid, as root), and the machine won't shut down because stuff is still running. This coincidentally happened the same day that I started to prepare a replacement hard drive, so it's not on a critical installation (in fact, it's going to be wiped), but I'd still like to know what's going on. Note that I totally disconnected this drive when I was installing on the new one, just to make sure I didn't do anything to hurt it. Any ideas on what this could be or where to look would be appreciated. Greg

July 18, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Flowchart software

by Andy Stewart

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Saturday 17 July 2004 10:28 am, Chuck Haines wrote: > Yea but open office draw doesn't have the flowchart "stencils," which > means I'd have to create all the basic flowchart types myself. Xfig > kinda falls under the same category. I'm really looking for something > that does flowcharting out of the box and I've yet to find it. This > is one of the few things that keeps me rebooting into my windows > partition. > > Chuck xfig can handle symbol libraries. There is a library for flowcharting symbols. Check it out, it might suit your needs. Andy - -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA USA http://www.wlug.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFA+UxCHl0iXDssISsRAuKHAJ4jGxUePdDDLjw9PkgtmRa8yIUaYQCbBbmZ PxsFEYFTtrpmcPL4aAVk/RM= =25Xs -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

July 17, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Flowchart software

by Chuck Haines

Yea but open office draw doesn't have the flowchart "stencils," which means I'd have to create all the basic flowchart types myself. Xfig kinda falls under the same category. I'm really looking for something that does flowcharting out of the box and I've yet to find it. This is one of the few things that keeps me rebooting into my windows partition. Chuck On Tue, 13 Jul 2004 16:58:32 -0400, Brett Russ <icycle(a)charter.net> wrote: > Chuck Haines wrote: > > >Does anyone know of any decent flow chart software for linux besides > >Dia or Kivio. Kivio is nice, however it's inability to export to a > >png or to be copy and pasted into star office makes it useless for me. > > Dia just doesn't cut it. Anyone know of anything? > > > > > > xfig ;-) > OpenOffice Draw > > HTH, > BR > > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > -- Chuck Haines chaines(a)gmail.com ------------------------------------------- Tau Kappa Epsilon Fraternity WPI Class of 2005 ------------------------------------------- AIM: CyberGrex YIM: CyberGrex_27 ICQ: 3707881 -------------------------------------------

July 17, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Encrypted USB pen drive

by Chuck Haines

Yea, I ended up following the loop-aes and it work beautifully. The only problem is that the mount it root:root and can't be changed. However I was able to create a directory that is owned by my user and use that directory underneath just fine. It's actually really neat to have and was easier than I thought with Fedora Core 2. Chuck On Thu, 15 Jul 2004 11:43:28 -0400, Chuck Homic <chuck(a)vvisions.com> wrote: > > On Thu, Jul 15, 2004 at 10:08:09AM -0400, Chuck Haines wrote: > > Has anyone configured an encrypted usb pen drive under linux? I'm not > > talking about encrypting single files, but being able to mount the pen > > drive as an encrypted device? I've look at loop-aes, but I'm curious > > is anyone has done this before and might give some pointers. > > loop-aes is way easy if you follow the instructions EXACTLY. > > As for tips, here you go: > > If you want to be able to use the device on Windows, you have to leave the > FAT filesystem on there. Your encrypted filesystem will just be a large > file on that filesystem that you'll mount loopback-style. You won't be > able to read the encrypted stuff in Windows, but you can use the free > space to do things, which is handy sometimes. > > Umm... that's it for tips. > > Now I have a question for someone. When I plug in my USB thingy, I get > some pseudo-random SCSI ID for the device (depending upon whether I was cd > burning, or I installed a different USB media). Is there any easy way to > figure out the mapping between the USB device and the SCSI ID? (So I can > improve my magic scripts...) > > Thanks. > > -Chuck (Homic) > > Confidentiality Notice: > > This message, including any attachments, may contain confidential > information. If you have received this message by mistake, please notify > the sender immediately, delete all copies, and do not distribute or use > this information. Thanks! > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > -- Chuck Haines chaines(a)gmail.com ------------------------------------------- Tau Kappa Epsilon Fraternity WPI Class of 2005 ------------------------------------------- AIM: CyberGrex YIM: CyberGrex_27 ICQ: 3707881 -------------------------------------------

July 15, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Encrypted USB pen drive

by Brian Waite

What about looking at /proc/scsi/scsi? You can probably parse out the Vendor/Model to decide what ID you are. That is just off the top of my head tho. Thanks Brian > Now I have a question for someone. When I plug in my USB thingy, I get > some pseudo-random SCSI ID for the device (depending upon whether I was cd > burning, or I installed a different USB media). Is there any easy way to > figure out the mapping between the USB device and the SCSI ID? (So I can > improve my magic scripts...) > > Thanks. > > -Chuck (Homic) > > Confidentiality Notice: > > This message, including any attachments, may contain confidential > information. If you have received this message by mistake, please notify > the sender immediately, delete all copies, and do not distribute or use > this information. Thanks! > > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > >

July 15, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Encrypted USB pen drive

by Chuck Homic

On Thu, Jul 15, 2004 at 10:08:09AM -0400, Chuck Haines wrote: > Has anyone configured an encrypted usb pen drive under linux? I'm not > talking about encrypting single files, but being able to mount the pen > drive as an encrypted device? I've look at loop-aes, but I'm curious > is anyone has done this before and might give some pointers. loop-aes is way easy if you follow the instructions EXACTLY. As for tips, here you go: If you want to be able to use the device on Windows, you have to leave the FAT filesystem on there. Your encrypted filesystem will just be a large file on that filesystem that you'll mount loopback-style. You won't be able to read the encrypted stuff in Windows, but you can use the free space to do things, which is handy sometimes. Umm... that's it for tips. Now I have a question for someone. When I plug in my USB thingy, I get some pseudo-random SCSI ID for the device (depending upon whether I was cd burning, or I installed a different USB media). Is there any easy way to figure out the mapping between the USB device and the SCSI ID? (So I can improve my magic scripts...) Thanks. -Chuck (Homic) Confidentiality Notice: This message, including any attachments, may contain confidential information. If you have received this message by mistake, please notify the sender immediately, delete all copies, and do not distribute or use this information. Thanks!

July 15, 2004

[OT] Introduction

by Brian Waite

Hi all. I wanted to quickly introduce myself. I just recently subscribed to the list and wanted to do a bit more than lurk. I hope to make a LUG meeting in the near future also. I don't want to waste too much bandwidth so I'll keep this short. If anyone is going up to the Ottawa Linux Symposium this month, maybe we can catch up and make some introductions, for everyone else, I look forward to meeting you all the LUG meeting. As I side note, I read the archives and wanted to second the idea for a "distro debate" LUG meeting. I think that would be really interesting to see what everyone runs and why. Thanks for the time Brian Waite

July 15, 2004

Encrypted USB pen drive

by Chuck Haines

Has anyone configured an encrypted usb pen drive under linux? I'm not talking about encrypting single files, but being able to mount the pen drive as an encrypted device? I've look at loop-aes, but I'm curious is anyone has done this before and might give some pointers. Chuck -- Chuck Haines chaines(a)gmail.com ------------------------------------------- Tau Kappa Epsilon Fraternity WPI Class of 2005 ------------------------------------------- AIM: CyberGrex YIM: CyberGrex_27 ICQ: 3707881 -------------------------------------------

July 15, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Linux Technical Resource Kit from Novell

by doug waud

Hi Greg I tend to use old hardware and I have the same impression; SuSE 9/XFree 4.x is less forgiving.than SuSE 8/Xfree 3.x was. I also found the 9/4 did not like my new video board (forget the model; it was a problem with the card maker not letting vendors include their driver as open source although you can freely download it. SuSE still did not seem to want to deal with it; will have to go back to XFree 3.x when I get return to it.). doug Gregory Avedissian wrote: > Update: > > Micro Center had a deal I couldn't refuse on a dvd drive, so I took a > spare hard drive and installed SuSE 9.1 yesterday. The first install had > a bunch of errors and wouldn't boot. I saw a list of programs that > reported errors, and it was too large to even bother with. I got > prompted to start the installation process and went through it a second > time. > > I guess it didn't like my vid card. Unlike 8.2, this one doesn't come > with the xfree 3.x environment that lets me run the 3.x server for my > card with xfree 4.3. The entire installation process was done in console > version of yast, rather than yast2. This surprised me, since earlier > versions of SuSE gave me yast2 during installation, even with my funky > vid card. By the end of the installation, I couldn't see words on the > screen (choices) untill they got highlighted by tabbing. > > Second install turned out ok, except for being stuck with 640x480 > display. I wiped it out, and I'll try it on another machine when I get > a chance. > > Greg > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

July 15, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Linux Technical Resource Kit from Novell

by Gregory Avedissian

Update: Micro Center had a deal I couldn't refuse on a dvd drive, so I took a spare hard drive and installed SuSE 9.1 yesterday. The first install had a bunch of errors and wouldn't boot. I saw a list of programs that reported errors, and it was too large to even bother with. I got prompted to start the installation process and went through it a second time. I guess it didn't like my vid card. Unlike 8.2, this one doesn't come with the xfree 3.x environment that lets me run the 3.x server for my card with xfree 4.3. The entire installation process was done in console version of yast, rather than yast2. This surprised me, since earlier versions of SuSE gave me yast2 during installation, even with my funky vid card. By the end of the installation, I couldn't see words on the screen (choices) untill they got highlighted by tabbing. Second install turned out ok, except for being stuck with 640x480 display. I wiped it out, and I'll try it on another machine when I get a chance. Greg

July 14, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Flowchart software

by Adam Keck

Hello Chuck, What about Open (Star) Office Draw? It does have dynamic connectors. -Adam On Jul 13, 2004, at 3:31 PM, Chuck Haines wrote: > Does anyone know of any decent flow chart software for linux besides > Dia or Kivio. Kivio is nice, however it's inability to export to a > png or to be copy and pasted into star office makes it useless for me. > Dia just doesn't cut it. Anyone know of anything? > > Chuck > > -- > Chuck Haines > chaines(a)gmail.com > ------------------------------------------- > Tau Kappa Epsilon Fraternity > WPI Class of 2005 > ------------------------------------------- > AIM: CyberGrex > YIM: CyberGrex_27 > ICQ: 3707881 > ------------------------------------------- > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

July 13, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Flowchart software

by Brett Russ

Chuck Haines wrote: >Does anyone know of any decent flow chart software for linux besides >Dia or Kivio. Kivio is nice, however it's inability to export to a >png or to be copy and pasted into star office makes it useless for me. > Dia just doesn't cut it. Anyone know of anything? > > xfig ;-) OpenOffice Draw HTH, BR

July 13, 2004

Flowchart software

by Chuck Haines

Does anyone know of any decent flow chart software for linux besides Dia or Kivio. Kivio is nice, however it's inability to export to a png or to be copy and pasted into star office makes it useless for me. Dia just doesn't cut it. Anyone know of anything? Chuck -- Chuck Haines chaines(a)gmail.com ------------------------------------------- Tau Kappa Epsilon Fraternity WPI Class of 2005 ------------------------------------------- AIM: CyberGrex YIM: CyberGrex_27 ICQ: 3707881 -------------------------------------------

July 13, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Open Source CMS?

by Dwight A. Ernest

Thanks, I'll look at these, but they appear to be pointers to OSS CMS products rather than pointers to integrators (which is what I am seeking). --Dwight Matt Higgins wrote: > Here are some links. > > I'm not a big php fan but this is popular. > http://www.postnuke.com/index.php?module=Navigation > > Enterpreise grade CMS, a more secure port of postnuke written in Java > http://www.jboss.org/products/nukesjboss > > Perl/Mason based CMS. This is used by macword.com > http://www.bricolage.cc/ > > -Matt > > Quoting "Dwight A. Ernest" <dwight(a)significant.com>: > > >>Hi. I have a consulting client that is a non-profit in the midst of an >>IT management change. They have been seeking a good content management >>system for some time, but have not been seriously considering open >>source solutions for that need in spite of my cajoling them into that >>direction, in spite of the fact that the majority of their current web >>solution is built on Linux/Apache/PHP/MySQL/etc. >> >>The main objection has been a lack of knowledge of any providers of a >>full-service CMS solution: sizing, integration, training, >>implementation, etc., which is something one can pretty much take for >>granted when dealing with proprietary CMSes. >> >>So what I'm seeking are pointers to open source content management >>integrators (either houses or experienced individual consultants) who >>can show a proven, referenceable list of happy clients for whom they've >>provided a full-service CMS solution. >> >>I look forward to hearing from you. >> >>-- >>Dwight A. Ernest, dwight at significant dot com GPG key A6999567 >>Cell: +1-508-523-1416 FAX: +1-978-405-2504 YIM: dwight_ernest >>RHCE #803004293310030 http://significant.com/~dwight/ KA2CNN >>Papa, partner, pilot, net geek, sysadmin, consultant, cohouser. >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Wlug mailing list >>Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >>http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >> >> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

July 12, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Open Source CMS?

by Matt Higgins

Here are some links. I'm not a big php fan but this is popular. http://www.postnuke.com/index.php?module=Navigation Enterpreise grade CMS, a more secure port of postnuke written in Java http://www.jboss.org/products/nukesjboss Perl/Mason based CMS. This is used by macword.com http://www.bricolage.cc/ -Matt Quoting "Dwight A. Ernest" <dwight(a)significant.com>: > Hi. I have a consulting client that is a non-profit in the midst of an > IT management change. They have been seeking a good content management > system for some time, but have not been seriously considering open > source solutions for that need in spite of my cajoling them into that > direction, in spite of the fact that the majority of their current web > solution is built on Linux/Apache/PHP/MySQL/etc. > > The main objection has been a lack of knowledge of any providers of a > full-service CMS solution: sizing, integration, training, > implementation, etc., which is something one can pretty much take for > granted when dealing with proprietary CMSes. > > So what I'm seeking are pointers to open source content management > integrators (either houses or experienced individual consultants) who > can show a proven, referenceable list of happy clients for whom they've > provided a full-service CMS solution. > > I look forward to hearing from you. > > -- > Dwight A. Ernest, dwight at significant dot com GPG key A6999567 > Cell: +1-508-523-1416 FAX: +1-978-405-2504 YIM: dwight_ernest > RHCE #803004293310030 http://significant.com/~dwight/ KA2CNN > Papa, partner, pilot, net geek, sysadmin, consultant, cohouser. > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > >

July 12, 2004

RE: [Wlug] Open Source CMS?

by Martin, Eric

I've played with Mambo (openmambo.org) and openeffect. There is a website that has a bunch of CMSs up with admin passwords so you can play around (the CMS sites go back to default every 15 minutes). Can't remember what the site is, but when I find it I'll post it to the list. -----Original Message----- From: Charles R. Anderson [mailto:cra@WPI.EDU] Sent: Monday, July 05, 2004 2:19 AM To: Worcester Linux Users Group Subject: Re: [Wlug] Open Source CMS? On Sun, Jul 04, 2004 at 10:34:56PM -0400, Dwight A. Ernest wrote: > So what I'm seeking are pointers to open source content management > integrators (either houses or experienced individual consultants) who > can show a proven, referenceable list of happy clients for whom they've > provided a full-service CMS solution. This topic comes up from time to time. Has anyone played with any CMS stuff? I think it would make a great talk at an upcoming WLUG meeting, even just to answer the basic questions, What is a CMS? Why do I need/want one? _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

July 12, 2004

RE: [Wlug] Linux Technical Resource Kit from Novell

by Michelle Vadeboncoeur

On Wed, 7 Jul 2004, Minkov, Ross wrote: MR>I just signed up for the WLUG mailing list. Can someone send me the link MR>to request a Linux Technical Resource Kit from Novell? I assume it's MR>free? Follow the thread from here: http://paramount.ind.wpi.edu/pipermail/wlug/2004-June/003821.html (but that'll only get you June posts...) -- --==*==-- --==*==-- Michelle R. Vadeboncoeur --==*==-- --==*==-- mrv(a)kluge.net: http://www.kluge.net/~mrv/

July 7, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Linux Technical Resource Kit from Novell

by Baris Hasdemir

On Wed, 2004-07-07 at 18:42, JONATHAN BEALL wrote: > hey, > > Just got my email from novell. is it only dvd? or does it come with cd's > too? > no cd s. just three dvd s are included in the pack.

July 7, 2004

RE: [Wlug] Linux Technical Resource Kit from Novell

by Baris Hasdemir

On Wed, 2004-07-07 at 18:38, Minkov, Ross wrote: > Hi, > > I just signed up for the WLUG mailing list. Can someone send me the link > to request a Linux Technical Resource Kit from Novell? I assume it's > free? > > Thanks, > Ross > here's the related message: http://paramount.ind.wpi.edu/pipermail/wlug/2004-June/003821.html

July 7, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Linux Technical Resource Kit from Novell

by JONATHAN BEALL

hey, Just got my email from novell. is it only dvd? or does it come with cd's too? -Jonathan Beall >From: Gregory Avedissian <gma2004(a)verizon.net> >Reply-To: Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> >To: Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> >Subject: Re: [Wlug] Linux Technical Resource Kit from Novell >Date: Wed, 07 Jul 2004 01:58:07 -0400 > >I got mine in the mail today. Immediately tried to boot up the 9.1 >disk on my office machine and couldn't get it to work. Checked the >boot settings in the bios a couple of times, booted my hard drive to >try to read the damned thing and couldn't even mount it. Finally >figured out that it's a DVD. Lemme know what it says - I won't be >getting to it this week. > >Greg > > > >Bill Smith wrote: >>On Tue, 22 Jun 2004 21:04:29 -0400 >>Andy Stewart <andystewart(a)comcast.net> wrote: >> >> >>>... If anybody gets one of these, I'd be curious >>>to know what they think of it. >> >> >> >>On Tue, 22 Jun 2004 22:00:55 -0400 >>Bill Smith <wsmith(a)chezsmith.com> wrote: >> >> >>>I just filled out the questionaire. the final page had this to >>>say: >>> >>> Thank you William ! Your Linux Technical Resource Kit has been >>> successfully received. >>> We will contact you by e-mail as soon as your order ships. >>>... >> >> >>OKAY! >> >>I got THIS in my email box yesterday (Friday, 02 July) [edited to >>protect... Suffice to say it was addressed from Novell!]: >> >>======================================================== >> >>Subject: Novell/SuSE/Ximian Technical Resource Kit >>Date: Fri, 02 Jul 2004 10:23:01 -0600 >>X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.2 Beta >> >>I just wanted to let you know that the free Tech resource kit you >>have >>ordered has been shipped and you should be receiving it soon. >> >>Brent Sharp >>Novell Customer Communities >> >>======================================================== >> >>Ahhhh... i can hardly wait! :D >> >>I figure that because of the holiday, it should get here sometime >>around Thursday, give or take. I'll let you all know what >>happens... >> >> -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- >> William Smith wsmith-at-chezsmith-dot-com >> Fall River, MA http://www.chezsmith.com >> >> Eliminate the impossible. Whatever remains, however >> improbable, must be the Truth. -- Sherlock Holmes >> * TAG! v3.1a * >> >> >> >>------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Wlug mailing list >>Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >>http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > >_______________________________________________ >Wlug mailing list >Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

July 7, 2004

RE: [Wlug] Linux Technical Resource Kit from Novell

by Minkov, Ross

Hi, I just signed up for the WLUG mailing list. Can someone send me the link to request a Linux Technical Resource Kit from Novell? I assume it's free? Thanks, Ross -----Original Message----- From: wlug-bounces(a)mail.wlug.org [mailto:wlug-bounces@mail.wlug.org] On Behalf Of Bill Smith Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2004 5:01 PM To: Worcester Linux Users Group Subject: Re: [Wlug] Linux Technical Resource Kit from Novell On Wed, 07 Jul 2004 01:58:07 -0400 Gregory Avedissian <gma2004(a)verizon.net> wrote: > I got mine in the mail today. Immediately tried to boot up the 9.1 disk on > my office machine and couldn't get it to work. Checked the boot settings > in the bios a couple of times, booted my hard drive to try to read the > damned thing and couldn't even mount it. Finally figured out that it's a > DVD. Lemme know what it says - I won't be getting to it this week. Okay... I don't have a spare machine at this exact moment to install anything on (but this will change VERY soon... ;) ), but I poked around. There are three DVDs in a tri-fold paper-board carrying case. DVD 1A says it has the following (screen printed on the disc): -- SUSE(r) LINUX Enterprise Server 8 -- Nterprise Linux Services 1.0 -- GroupWise 6.5.1 -- Red Carpet Enterprise Server 2.02 -- ConsoleOne -- Linux Resources DVD 1B says it's got: -- SUSE LINUX Professional 8.2 -- Ximian Desktop 2 DVD 1C says it has: -- SUSE LINUX Professional 9.1 The README file on disc 1A specifically states that Ximian Desktop 2 needs to have SUSE Professional 8.2 installed, NOT 9.1, so that's why 8.2 is there. Disc 1C is bootable, assuming that your system is rigged to deal with that. ;) Other than that, each DVD has .iso files, which the user would burn to CDs (or mount locally, depending on what you're out to accomplish). I think I'll try to "sacrifice" my FC1 system to play with this... :D Although the package said that the contents were time-sensitive material (and each disc says that it is an Evaluation Software DVD-ROM), there was no indication in the README file of when anything (like the licenses) would expire. This will have to be explored further. Thanks, Andy, for bringing this to our attention! Best, -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- William Smith wsmith-at-chezsmith-dot-com Fall River, MA http://www.chezsmith.com There are 10 kinds of people in the universe: Those who understand binary, and those who don't. * TAG! v3.1a *

July 7, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Linux Technical Resource Kit from Novell

by Bill Smith

On Wed, 07 Jul 2004 01:58:07 -0400 Gregory Avedissian <gma2004(a)verizon.net> wrote: > I got mine in the mail today. Immediately tried to boot up the 9.1 disk on > my office machine and couldn't get it to work. Checked the boot settings > in the bios a couple of times, booted my hard drive to try to read the > damned thing and couldn't even mount it. Finally figured out that it's a > DVD. Lemme know what it says - I won't be getting to it this week. Okay... I don't have a spare machine at this exact moment to install anything on (but this will change VERY soon... ;) ), but I poked around. There are three DVDs in a tri-fold paper-board carrying case. DVD 1A says it has the following (screen printed on the disc): -- SUSE(r) LINUX Enterprise Server 8 -- Nterprise Linux Services 1.0 -- GroupWise 6.5.1 -- Red Carpet Enterprise Server 2.02 -- ConsoleOne -- Linux Resources DVD 1B says it's got: -- SUSE LINUX Professional 8.2 -- Ximian Desktop 2 DVD 1C says it has: -- SUSE LINUX Professional 9.1 The README file on disc 1A specifically states that Ximian Desktop 2 needs to have SUSE Professional 8.2 installed, NOT 9.1, so that's why 8.2 is there. Disc 1C is bootable, assuming that your system is rigged to deal with that. ;) Other than that, each DVD has .iso files, which the user would burn to CDs (or mount locally, depending on what you're out to accomplish). I think I'll try to "sacrifice" my FC1 system to play with this... :D Although the package said that the contents were time-sensitive material (and each disc says that it is an Evaluation Software DVD-ROM), there was no indication in the README file of when anything (like the licenses) would expire. This will have to be explored further. Thanks, Andy, for bringing this to our attention! Best, -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- William Smith wsmith-at-chezsmith-dot-com Fall River, MA http://www.chezsmith.com There are 10 kinds of people in the universe: Those who understand binary, and those who don't. * TAG! v3.1a *

July 7, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Linux Technical Resource Kit from Novell

by Gregory Avedissian

I got mine in the mail today. Immediately tried to boot up the 9.1 disk on my office machine and couldn't get it to work. Checked the boot settings in the bios a couple of times, booted my hard drive to try to read the damned thing and couldn't even mount it. Finally figured out that it's a DVD. Lemme know what it says - I won't be getting to it this week. Greg Bill Smith wrote: > On Tue, 22 Jun 2004 21:04:29 -0400 > Andy Stewart <andystewart(a)comcast.net> wrote: > > >>... If anybody gets one of these, I'd be curious >>to know what they think of it. > > > > On Tue, 22 Jun 2004 22:00:55 -0400 > Bill Smith <wsmith(a)chezsmith.com> wrote: > > >>I just filled out the questionaire. the final page had this to say: >> >> Thank you William ! Your Linux Technical Resource Kit has been >> successfully received. >> We will contact you by e-mail as soon as your order ships. >> ... > > > OKAY! > > I got THIS in my email box yesterday (Friday, 02 July) [edited to protect... Suffice to say it was addressed from Novell!]: > > ======================================================== > > Subject: Novell/SuSE/Ximian Technical Resource Kit > Date: Fri, 02 Jul 2004 10:23:01 -0600 > X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.2 Beta > > I just wanted to let you know that the free Tech resource kit you have > ordered has been shipped and you should be receiving it soon. > > Brent Sharp > Novell Customer Communities > > ======================================================== > > Ahhhh... i can hardly wait! :D > > I figure that because of the holiday, it should get here sometime around Thursday, give or take. I'll let you all know what happens... > > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- > William Smith wsmith-at-chezsmith-dot-com > Fall River, MA http://www.chezsmith.com > > Eliminate the impossible. Whatever remains, however > improbable, must be the Truth. -- Sherlock Holmes > * TAG! v3.1a * > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

July 7, 2004

Firewire/USB2.0 external case

by bryon3245＠netzero.com

I am also in the market for a nice external hd case. But i have a few specs for mine. I need it to be able to cary very large drives 250gb>. It needs to be alandium, becuase that way it will last a lot longer and I will not be in fear of it cracking under my brutil use. If anyone has any like that, that they have used before I would appericate a review. ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the Internet in years - NetZero HiSpeed! Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month -visit www.netzero.com to sign up today!

July 6, 2004

RE: [Wlug] Firewire/USB2.0 case recommendations?

by John Stoffel

Doug> Laptop hard drive or full-sized? The lab I work in has a couple Doug> of these portable Firewire/USB 2.0 enclosures: Since I had a full size (3.5") 120gb hard disk, that's what I got for a case. Doug> http://www.cooldrives.com/25firmobexen.html Doug> It needs external power (there's a picture of the adapter on the Doug> page) only for plugging into the mini-Firewire connections Doug> (i.e. most laptop firewire connections), but works fine with a Doug> full-sized firewire, or USB without external power. It's just Doug> large enough for a laptop drive, so very portable (we fit the Doug> whole kit including all the extra connectors into one of those Doug> 25-CD nylon cases). I on purpose got a case with a fan and a builtin power supply, along with both USB 2.0 and Firewire interfaces. We'll see how well it works out in practice later this week sometime. I could have gotten a smaller case, but I really don't like having to lug around the wall wart as well. And this way, it's all in one package, and I can find standard power cords *anywhere* I got pretty much. More details once I've played with the unit a bit. John John Stoffel - Senior Unix Systems Administrator - Lucent Technologies stoffel(a)lucent.com - http://www.lucent.com - 978-952-7548

July 6, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Hot Swap Drives on a Inspiron 9100

by Brian J. Conway

On Tue, 6 Jul 2004, Chuck Haines wrote: > I just got a nice new Inspiron 9100 for work (a huge beast I might > add) and I just installed Fedora Core 2 on it. I'm curious if anyone > has any links or experience in how to make it so I can hot swap the > drives (dvd burner, cd-rom, floppy, extra battery) without having to > reboot. I've done some googling searching but haven't really found > anything yet. If you could reply back to hainesca(a)nv.doe.gov (my work > email), I'd be much appreciative. I'm sure various distributions have scripts setup to do that with the hotplug package, but what I've always done is compile those pieces as modules, and load and unload them before swapping hardware (no modules for the battery, the BIOS picks those up fine). Brian J. Conway bconway(at)alum.wpi.edu "LINUX is obsolete" - Andrew S. Tanenbaum, creator of Minix - Jan 29, 1992

July 6, 2004

Hot Swap Drives on a Inspiron 9100

by Chuck Haines

I just got a nice new Inspiron 9100 for work (a huge beast I might add) and I just installed Fedora Core 2 on it. I'm curious if anyone has any links or experience in how to make it so I can hot swap the drives (dvd burner, cd-rom, floppy, extra battery) without having to reboot. I've done some googling searching but haven't really found anything yet. If you could reply back to hainesca(a)nv.doe.gov (my work email), I'd be much appreciative. Thanks, Chuck -- Chuck Haines chaines(a)gmail.com ------------------------------------------- Tau Kappa Epsilon Fraternity WPI Class of 2005 ------------------------------------------- AIM: CyberGrex YIM: CyberGrex_27 ICQ: 3707881 -------------------------------------------

July 6, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Open Source CMS?

by Michael Long

> On Sun, Jul 04, 2004 at 10:34:56PM -0400, Dwight A. Ernest wrote: >> So what I'm seeking are pointers to open source content management >> integrators (either houses or experienced individual consultants) who >> can show a proven, referenceable list of happy clients for whom they've >> provided a full-service CMS solution. > Check out plone.org. This is built on top of Zope (zope.org) an excellent web application framework.

July 5, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Open Source CMS?

by Charles R. Anderson

On Sun, Jul 04, 2004 at 10:34:56PM -0400, Dwight A. Ernest wrote: > So what I'm seeking are pointers to open source content management > integrators (either houses or experienced individual consultants) who > can show a proven, referenceable list of happy clients for whom they've > provided a full-service CMS solution. This topic comes up from time to time. Has anyone played with any CMS stuff? I think it would make a great talk at an upcoming WLUG meeting, even just to answer the basic questions, What is a CMS? Why do I need/want one?

July 5, 2004

Open Source CMS?

by Dwight A. Ernest

Hi. I have a consulting client that is a non-profit in the midst of an IT management change. They have been seeking a good content management system for some time, but have not been seriously considering open source solutions for that need in spite of my cajoling them into that direction, in spite of the fact that the majority of their current web solution is built on Linux/Apache/PHP/MySQL/etc. The main objection has been a lack of knowledge of any providers of a full-service CMS solution: sizing, integration, training, implementation, etc., which is something one can pretty much take for granted when dealing with proprietary CMSes. So what I'm seeking are pointers to open source content management integrators (either houses or experienced individual consultants) who can show a proven, referenceable list of happy clients for whom they've provided a full-service CMS solution. I look forward to hearing from you. -- Dwight A. Ernest, dwight at significant dot com GPG key A6999567 Cell: +1-508-523-1416 FAX: +1-978-405-2504 YIM: dwight_ernest RHCE #803004293310030 http://significant.com/~dwight/ KA2CNN Papa, partner, pilot, net geek, sysadmin, consultant, cohouser.

July 5, 2004

LPI-LUG.org

by albutler33＠netscape.net

Hello Andy, This is the organization I was telling you about Thursday night during the quarterly meeting. Think there might be any interest? You can check out the website at www.lpi-lug.org/. Al Butler LPI-LUG.org - What is it? This site is to promote the certification of Linux users through their LUG's (Linux User Groups). This is a site sponsored by the Open Source Software Institute, the United States Affiliate of LPI. There are two main sections of this site. The first section is devoted to individual Linux users/advocates/etc. The Linux Professionals Exchange is designed for registered individuals of LPI-LUG.org and provides access to employment opportunities that can only be found on LPI-LUG.org. Linux Users Groups are also encouraged to register with LPI-LUG.org. This first step will start communication between LPI-LUG.org and your LUG. Once registered, you are eligible for the benefits associated with being an LPI-LUG. __________________________________________________________________ Switch to the New Netscape Internet Service. As low as $9.95 a month -- Sign up today at http://isp.netscape.com/register Netscape. Just the Net You Need. New! Netscape Toolbar for Internet Explorer Search from anywhere on the Web and block those annoying pop-ups. Download now at http://channels.netscape.com/ns/search/install.jsp

July 3, 2004

Re: [Wlug] Linux Technical Resource Kit from Novell

by Bill Smith

On Tue, 22 Jun 2004 21:04:29 -0400 Andy Stewart <andystewart(a)comcast.net> wrote: > ... If anybody gets one of these, I'd be curious > to know what they think of it. On Tue, 22 Jun 2004 22:00:55 -0400 Bill Smith <wsmith(a)chezsmith.com> wrote: > I just filled out the questionaire. the final page had this to say: > > Thank you William ! Your Linux Technical Resource Kit has been > successfully received. > We will contact you by e-mail as soon as your order ships. > ... OKAY! I got THIS in my email box yesterday (Friday, 02 July) [edited to protect... Suffice to say it was addressed from Novell!]: ======================================================== Subject: Novell/SuSE/Ximian Technical Resource Kit Date: Fri, 02 Jul 2004 10:23:01 -0600 X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.5.2 Beta I just wanted to let you know that the free Tech resource kit you have ordered has been shipped and you should be receiving it soon. Brent Sharp Novell Customer Communities ======================================================== Ahhhh... i can hardly wait! :D I figure that because of the holiday, it should get here sometime around Thursday, give or take. I'll let you all know what happens... -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- William Smith wsmith-at-chezsmith-dot-com Fall River, MA http://www.chezsmith.com Eliminate the impossible. Whatever remains, however improbable, must be the Truth. -- Sherlock Holmes * TAG! v3.1a *

July 3, 2004