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playing (movie) DVD's?

by Bill Mills-Curran

What application do you use for playing movie DVD's on linux. I'm running fc3. Thanks, Bill

Aug. 16, 2005

Re: [Wlug] MythTV vs. Tivo

by John Stoffel

Marc> I agree. The pvr card I'm looking at comes with a remote that Marc> looks pretty decent. One thing I wish my tivo had was a 30 Marc> second jump ahead. That's something I plan on binding to one of Marc> the remote buttons. The TiVo does have this feature, it's just not enabled by default. You need to do the following, from memory: Start playing a recorded program. Hit the following key sequence: Select Play Select 3 0 Select That should now make the skip to end/beginning button jump forward 30 seconds at a time. >> I've been on the fence about MythTV for a long time now, just not sure >> which card to get. It's between the Hauppauge 250, 350, and new 500 >> cards. I just haven't done enough research to find out if the HW >> decoding in the 350 or the two tuners in the 500 are supported in >> Linux. The 250 is normally the sure bet except I have a really old Marc> The hardware decoding in the hauppauge 350 is supported. It Marc> also has audio and video out, so you don't need to have a Marc> seperate video or sound card. That's the one I'm looking at Marc> picking up. Marc> I also want this for a dvd player, so that's one other bonus Marc> over the tivo. Now if you could combine both features into a single quiet box that was the same size as TiVo, I'd be interested. I also like how the Myth stuff will let you have a server in one location, and player(s) elsewhere. That gives alot of flexibility... It would also be great have to have dual Haupagge 350s in a box, so you can record two programs at the same time, while watching either a stored program, or one of the recording ones. John

Aug. 15, 2005

Re: [Wlug] MythTV questions...

by Andy Stewart

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Bill Smith wrote: > I know that I could get some answers from the MythTV website, but I'm > looking for some opinions, since others have been talking about the > Tivo/MythTV stuff... > > I've got a Matrox Mystique and Rainbow Runner card (it's a little "old, > I think) that I have been thinking about using to make a MythTV-ish > system. (The Rainbow Runner is an add-on TV tuner card for the > Mystique.) > > Given that I'm not expecting spectacular results with something like > that (I mostly want to play with it), what sort of base system should I > use it in? (CPU speed, Drive capacity, RAM?) > > Any suggestions are welcome. HI Bill, I found with my card that a 1 hr program takes 2.4 GB of disk space. I suspect I could reduce the resolution so that an hour takes up half as much disk space. Do the math to figure out how much disk space you'd want. I had 18GB for a while but I found that it filled up too fast, especially when you tell MythTV to record every episode of "The Three STooges" and then you hit the marathon. :-) I think MythTV recommends a 1.5-2.0Ghz machine, but I don't think you need that much for just recording and watching programs. Then again, if you plan to use it for transcoding and such, get as fast a machine as you can afford. My MythTV box has 256 MB of memory and it seems pretty happy. Later, Andy - -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA, USA http://www.wlug.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFC/g7LHl0iXDssISsRAnpXAJ9ptgw+VjjwLUfsF8wWcEn4YLlEHQCeJ8wS nm9l/SozGKv80PZsg+2HUjY= =bBf7 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

Aug. 13, 2005

Re: [Wlug] MythTV vs. Tivo

by Andy Stewart

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Jared Greenwald wrote: > I've heard nothing but complaints about the quality of the output on > the 350. I ended up getting the 250 since its the same as the 350, > but without the video and sound out. For one thing, most decent > motherboards come with AC97 or better sound chips so that shouldn't be > an issue. Secondly, you should be able to find a relatively cheap > video card (think GeForce FX5x00) for like $50 which would have both > way better video quality, plus it would not be restricted to the PCI > bus which is much slower than AGP (esp 8x). > > Just a thought. I went with the 250 and a GeForce FX5200. I think my > entire setup ended up costing me $600 including everything. > > -Jared HI Jared et al, I have a Hauppauge 350 and I'm very pleased with it. It has the hardware MPEG encoder & decoder on board, which I thought was a nice feature. I'm using KnoppMyth and have no problems with it. I very much encourage the use of KnoppMyth because I found that getting all of the pieces of MythTV working together was a royal PITA - probably more so than any other FOSS project that I've tried. I'm using an Xbox as the frontend and a PIII/450MHz as the backend. I'd recommend more horse power on the backend, but I get away with it since the 350 does most of the work for me. I purchased the Xbox remote control/receiver also. Although I found MythTV a bit difficult to get working (there are a zillion things to configure), the result is *well* worth it, and once configured, there isn't much else to do except enjoy it. I can't speak about Tivo since I don't own one and have never used one. Currently, I don't have digital cable, so my 350 can tune into the desired station on its own. What can one do with digital cable besides connect the TV tuner card to the "cable box" output? I don't know of any TV tuner cards which can tune directly off of a digital cable box. Later, Andy - -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA, USA http://www.wlug.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFC/g1ZHl0iXDssISsRAmTnAJ9X9tWB0I7mZbvloE9Xlfa4qrdJDQCeLv4O DxLiOzY10vHVorRMaj82Czs= =9Whj -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

Aug. 13, 2005

Re: [Wlug] MythTV vs. Tivo

by Jared Greenwald

I've heard nothing but complaints about the quality of the output on the 350. I ended up getting the 250 since its the same as the 350, but without the video and sound out. For one thing, most decent motherboards come with AC97 or better sound chips so that shouldn't be an issue. Secondly, you should be able to find a relatively cheap video card (think GeForce FX5x00) for like $50 which would have both way better video quality, plus it would not be restricted to the PCI bus which is much slower than AGP (esp 8x). Just a thought. I went with the 250 and a GeForce FX5200. I think my entire setup ended up costing me $600 including everything. -Jared On 8/12/05, Marc Hughes <marc.hughes(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > Personally, the key feature of the TiVo is the remote. It's the key > > feature of any tool and by that I mean the interface. If it's too > > complex, or annoying, then it's not going to make people happy. > > I agree. The pvr card I'm looking at comes with a remote that looks > pretty decent. One thing I wish my tivo had was a 30 second jump > ahead. That's something I plan on binding to one of the remote > buttons. > > > > I've been on the fence about MythTV for a long time now, just not sure > > which card to get. It's between the Hauppauge 250, 350, and new 500 > > cards. I just haven't done enough research to find out if the HW > > decoding in the 350 or the two tuners in the 500 are supported in > > Linux. The 250 is normally the sure bet except I have a really old > > > The hardware decoding in the hauppauge 350 is supported. It also has > audio and video out, so you don't need to have a seperate video or > sound card. That's the one I'm looking at picking up. > > I also want this for a dvd player, so that's one other bonus over the tivo. > > -Marc > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

Aug. 13, 2005

MythTV questions...

by Bill Smith

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I know that I could get some answers from the MythTV website, but I'm looking for some opinions, since others have been talking about the Tivo/MythTV stuff... I've got a Matrox Mystique and Rainbow Runner card (it's a little "old, I think) that I have been thinking about using to make a MythTV-ish system. (The Rainbow Runner is an add-on TV tuner card for the Mystique.) Given that I'm not expecting spectacular results with something like that (I mostly want to play with it), what sort of base system should I use it in? (CPU speed, Drive capacity, RAM?) Any suggestions are welcome. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- William Smith wsmith-at-chezsmith-dot-com Fall River, MA http://www.chezsmith.com -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFC/V+Iz+l4y7Xx77MRAnkWAKCQt+gLgbbY+NaLGxs2GotJoXdMdACdFhYb gmf8SBL6Cp1Dcv4c5Q4rklk= =jahA -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

Aug. 13, 2005

Re: [Wlug] MythTV vs. Tivo

by Marc Hughes

> Personally, the key feature of the TiVo is the remote. It's the key > feature of any tool and by that I mean the interface. If it's too > complex, or annoying, then it's not going to make people happy. I agree. The pvr card I'm looking at comes with a remote that looks pretty decent. One thing I wish my tivo had was a 30 second jump ahead. That's something I plan on binding to one of the remote buttons. > I've been on the fence about MythTV for a long time now, just not sure > which card to get. It's between the Hauppauge 250, 350, and new 500 > cards. I just haven't done enough research to find out if the HW > decoding in the 350 or the two tuners in the 500 are supported in > Linux. The 250 is normally the sure bet except I have a really old The hardware decoding in the hauppauge 350 is supported. It also has audio and video out, so you don't need to have a seperate video or sound card. That's the one I'm looking at picking up. I also want this for a dvd player, so that's one other bonus over the tivo. -Marc

Aug. 12, 2005

Re: [Wlug] MythTV vs. Tivo

by Brett Russ

On 8/12/05, Marc Hughes <marc.hughes(a)gmail.com> wrote: > So I've been thinking about picking up a PVR card and turning an old machine > I have lying around into a MythTV box to replace my tivo to get rid of that I've been on the fence about MythTV for a long time now, just not sure which card to get. It's between the Hauppauge 250, 350, and new 500 cards. I just haven't done enough research to find out if the HW decoding in the 350 or the two tuners in the 500 are supported in Linux. The 250 is normally the sure bet except I have a really old CPU (700) so the HW decode sounds quite appealing. If anyone has any experience with the more advanced cards, please pass the knowledge along. thanks BR

Aug. 12, 2005

Re: [Wlug] MythTV vs. Tivo

by Jared Greenwald

One good thing about MythTV is that there is a plugin to allow it to function as a DVD player too (with a DVD/R/RW drive)... I've been working on one for a while, but the mobo I bought might need to be RMA... -Jared On 8/12/05, John Stoffel <john(a)stoffel.org> wrote: > > Marc> So I've been thinking about picking up a PVR card and turning an > Marc> old machine I have lying around into a MythTV box to replace my > Marc> tivo to get rid of that nasty monthly fee. > > I've got a TiVo and I love it, but I paid up front for the lifetime > fee. Some elementary math at the time showed me that it paid for > itself in under 24 months, and it's lasted longer than that already. > I do love my TiVo, I just wish it had two tuners so I could watch one > and record another no matter what. > > Marc> Does anyone have any comments on the comparisons between the > Marc> two? Will I miss my tivo? Does mythtv have equivelant options > Marc> for season passes or recommentations? > > I've love to hear your experiences if you do got the Myth route, I've > got a box that could be used for this, though I'd need to get a tuner > card at some point. > > Maybe you can pickup an old TiVo unit and re-use that hardware with > the Myth software? Hmmm... a little bit of googling say it's not > really possible. But they do mention that you might be able to get > the EPG (program listing) data into your TiVo with just a bit of a > hack. Not a bad idea... > > Personally, the key feature of the TiVo is the remote. It's the key > feature of any tool and by that I mean the interface. If it's too > complex, or annoying, then it's not going to make people happy. For > example, we've got a TV remote where they put the Mute button all the > way at the other end of the remote from the volume controls. What a > pain! > > Good luck, and let us know how it comes out! If it works well, I > might jump in as well, just to have a second TiVo like box at home for > stuff I want to watch, instead of the wife and kid... > > John > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

Aug. 12, 2005

Re: [Wlug] MythTV vs. Tivo

by John Stoffel

Marc> So I've been thinking about picking up a PVR card and turning an Marc> old machine I have lying around into a MythTV box to replace my Marc> tivo to get rid of that nasty monthly fee. I've got a TiVo and I love it, but I paid up front for the lifetime fee. Some elementary math at the time showed me that it paid for itself in under 24 months, and it's lasted longer than that already. I do love my TiVo, I just wish it had two tuners so I could watch one and record another no matter what. Marc> Does anyone have any comments on the comparisons between the Marc> two? Will I miss my tivo? Does mythtv have equivelant options Marc> for season passes or recommentations? I've love to hear your experiences if you do got the Myth route, I've got a box that could be used for this, though I'd need to get a tuner card at some point. Maybe you can pickup an old TiVo unit and re-use that hardware with the Myth software? Hmmm... a little bit of googling say it's not really possible. But they do mention that you might be able to get the EPG (program listing) data into your TiVo with just a bit of a hack. Not a bad idea... Personally, the key feature of the TiVo is the remote. It's the key feature of any tool and by that I mean the interface. If it's too complex, or annoying, then it's not going to make people happy. For example, we've got a TV remote where they put the Mute button all the way at the other end of the remote from the volume controls. What a pain! Good luck, and let us know how it comes out! If it works well, I might jump in as well, just to have a second TiVo like box at home for stuff I want to watch, instead of the wife and kid... John

Aug. 12, 2005

Sorry for the dup, playing w/mutt settings

by Jeff Kinz

Sorry for the dup, playing w/mutt settings -- speech recognition software was used in the composition of this e-mail Jeff Kinz, Emergent Research, Hudson, MA. Â¡Ya no mas!

Aug. 12, 2005

Re: [Wlug] MythTV vs. Tivo

by Jeff Kinz

On Fri, Aug 12, 2005 at 10:27:03AM -0400, Marc Hughes wrote: > So I've been thinking about picking up a PVR card and turning an old machine > I have lying around into a MythTV box to replace my tivo to get rid of that > nasty monthly fee. Does anyone have any comments on the comparisons between > the two? Will I miss my tivo? > Does mythtv have equivelant options for season > passes or recommentations? It seems likely - see: http://www.mythtv.org/modules.php?name=MythFeatures A few lines from that page: <http://www.mythtv.org/dot.png> Electronic Program Guide that lets you change channels and select programs to record. <http://www.mythtv.org/dot.png> Program Finder to quickly and easily find the shows you want to record. <http://www.mythtv.org/dot.png> Scheduled recordings of TV programs, and playback and deletion of those programs, all through a themeable UI. (The first two screenshots are the default theme, the third is iulius.4) <http://www.mythtv.org/dot.png> Browse and resolve recording conflicts. PS. You are sending two copies of the same email, one in text, one in html. Why not just send one? (Most gmail I get comes in text only which I prefer because most html email I get is spam and my filters score it that way.) Just a thought. -- speech recognition software was used in the composition of this e-mail Jeff Kinz, Emergent Research, Hudson, MA. Â¡Ya no mas!

Aug. 12, 2005

MythTV vs. Tivo

by Marc Hughes

So I've been thinking about picking up a PVR card and turning an old machine I have lying around into a MythTV box to replace my tivo to get rid of that nasty monthly fee. Does anyone have any comments on the comparisons between the two? Will I miss my tivo? Does mythtv have equivelant options for season passes or recommentations? Thanks, -Marc

Aug. 12, 2005

Re: [Wlug] Its Meeting time !

by Matt Higgins

A little late and I'm not really a public speaker but... I have recently configured a fairly complex directory which backs a number of applications Unix/Linux accounts , SAMBA domain, Open Exchange Groupware, Jive Messenger (a jabber server), postfix, VPN Concentrator 3500. All user / group account information is managed through smbldap scripts from IDELX which I patched to also support the Open Exchange attributes and some convenience stuff for bulk adding users and keeping passwords in sync across all applications. This is an attempt to rid my network of Microsoft and it's working well so far, for a company of 63 people. If someone is looking for some uses for LDAP out side of just an email directory I may be able to help. Or if you just have any questions. I would not consider my self an LDAP authority but it took quite a bit of work/research to get this working. -Matt On 8/8/05, John Stoffel <john(a)stoffel.org> wrote: > > I wish I could make the meetings, since I'd like to talk with people > about getting udev to work with these MP3 players, since it's a semi > black art. Though there is a good writeup on the net about how to use > udevinfo to help setup things. > > Someone needs to write a tool to scan the bus, ask you to insert the > device, then re-scans the bus and suggests the udev rule(s) to make > the device do what you want. > > Then, in the futire, it would just work! > > As it is, writing udev rules is a bit of a hit or miss, though once > you get your mind wrapped around using udevinfo, it' isn't too bad to > figure out what to do. > > John > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

Aug. 10, 2005

Re: [Wlug] Its Meeting time !

by John Stoffel

I wish I could make the meetings, since I'd like to talk with people about getting udev to work with these MP3 players, since it's a semi black art. Though there is a good writeup on the net about how to use udevinfo to help setup things. Someone needs to write a tool to scan the bus, ask you to insert the device, then re-scans the bus and suggests the udev rule(s) to make the device do what you want. Then, in the futire, it would just work! As it is, writing udev rules is a bit of a hit or miss, though once you get your mind wrapped around using udevinfo, it' isn't too bad to figure out what to do. John

Aug. 9, 2005

Re: [Wlug] Its Meeting time !

by Mike Leo

If anyone was looking for my input on authentication, I am NOT going to make this weeks meeting...sorry. See ya'll next month. mike --- Eric Martin <freak4uxxx(a)gmail.com> wrote: > so are we doing ldap or mp3 players? I have an ipod > but I need to bring in > my desktop (no 1394 on the laptop). I don't mind > bringing them in though.... > > On 8/8/05, Bill Smith <wsmith(a)chezsmith.com> wrote: > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > Le Sun, 07 Aug 2005 20:50:49 -0400 > > > > > Re: Possible LDAP talk sometime soon... > > > > > > I agree, which is why I proposed it. :-) > However, I can't give this > > > talk since I don't know anything about it. I'm > still hoping for a > > > volunteer from the audience. Any takers? If not > for this meeting, > > > some future meeting? > > > > If I knew anything about it, I'd volunteer. I > don't, so I won't. ;) > > > > > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- > > William Smith wsmith-at-chezsmith-dot-com > > Fall River, MA http://www.chezsmith.com > > > > "Americans should select and prefer Christians as > their > > rulers." -- John Jay, the first US Supreme Court > > Justice > > * TAG! v3.1a * > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > > Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (GNU/Linux) > > > > > iD8DBQFC91pDz+l4y7Xx77MRAgfbAKCC74p3l5asfTICTrKfO9QFjGduhQCfW5jr > > KznNSAXjTScYuE95YkAbt6M= > > =H7A4 > > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wlug mailing list > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

Aug. 8, 2005

Re: [Wlug] Its Meeting time !

by Andy Stewart

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Eric Martin wrote: > so are we doing ldap or mp3 players? I have an ipod but I need to bring > in my desktop (no 1394 on the laptop). I don't mind bringing them in > though.... HI Eric et al, Many people have indicated an interest in LDAP, but as yet, nobody has volunteered to do an LDAP presentation. If/when this happens, it will be at some future WLUG meeting (not Aug 2005). I would like to see this happen! In an earlier email, Frank Moody said that he would see about setting up his iRiver with his laptop. With that, I think the meeting would then be about MP3 players. Eric, please bring your ipod and whatever you need to do a demo of it. If anybody has a different type of MP3 player that works with Linux, bring it along, (the more, the merrier). I had hoped to have my new MP3 player for the meeting, but the dude on eBay from whom I purchased this player is taking his time shipping it to me (auction closed 02-aug, not shipped yet...). Thanks! Andy - -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA, USA http://www.wlug.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFC99aoHl0iXDssISsRAn6AAJ9l/5Fco+6LjE3RjDLlH0Qqnlek7wCfe1/p pw8aJdgDpzpV1BdH2Sq37OA= =8ed3 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

Aug. 8, 2005

Re: [Wlug] Its Meeting time !

by Eric Martin

so are we doing ldap or mp3 players? I have an ipod but I need to bring in my desktop (no 1394 on the laptop). I don't mind bringing them in though.... On 8/8/05, Bill Smith <wsmith(a)chezsmith.com> wrote: > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Le Sun, 07 Aug 2005 20:50:49 -0400 > > > Re: Possible LDAP talk sometime soon... > > > > I agree, which is why I proposed it. :-) However, I can't give this > > talk since I don't know anything about it. I'm still hoping for a > > volunteer from the audience. Any takers? If not for this meeting, > > some future meeting? > > If I knew anything about it, I'd volunteer. I don't, so I won't. ;) > > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- > William Smith wsmith-at-chezsmith-dot-com > Fall River, MA http://www.chezsmith.com > > "Americans should select and prefer Christians as their > rulers." -- John Jay, the first US Supreme Court > Justice > * TAG! v3.1a * > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (GNU/Linux) > > iD8DBQFC91pDz+l4y7Xx77MRAgfbAKCC74p3l5asfTICTrKfO9QFjGduhQCfW5jr > KznNSAXjTScYuE95YkAbt6M= > =H7A4 > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

Aug. 8, 2005

Re: [Wlug] Its Meeting time !

by Bill Smith

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Le Sun, 07 Aug 2005 20:50:49 -0400 > Re: Possible LDAP talk sometime soon... > > I agree, which is why I proposed it. :-) However, I can't give this > talk since I don't know anything about it. I'm still hoping for a > volunteer from the audience. Any takers? If not for this meeting, > some future meeting? If I knew anything about it, I'd volunteer. I don't, so I won't. ;) -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- William Smith wsmith-at-chezsmith-dot-com Fall River, MA http://www.chezsmith.com "Americans should select and prefer Christians as their rulers." -- John Jay, the first US Supreme Court Justice * TAG! v3.1a * -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFC91pDz+l4y7Xx77MRAgfbAKCC74p3l5asfTICTrKfO9QFjGduhQCfW5jr KznNSAXjTScYuE95YkAbt6M= =H7A4 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

Aug. 8, 2005

Re: [Wlug] Its Meeting time !

by Andy Stewart

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Bill Smith wrote: > Le Sun, 7 Aug 2005 16:25:48 -0700 (PDT) > >>Well, as usual, I have something to say on this >>matter....whether or not I have something to actual >>ADD, ill leave up to you! >> >>We use MS Active Directory to authenticate users onto >>our linux servers. >> >>Altho I am no expert, I can share with ya'll my config >>files and experiance. >> >>I am also interested in hearing about LDAP as well. > > THIS looks promising.... :D Re: Possible LDAP talk sometime soon... I agree, which is why I proposed it. :-) However, I can't give this talk since I don't know anything about it. I'm still hoping for a volunteer from the audience. Any takers? If not for this meeting, some future meeting? Thanks, Andy - -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA, USA http://www.wlug.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFC9qxpHl0iXDssISsRAi2tAJ9mwM01FWR/GFLNZiLo03I2emW9HwCfXixs srHf3jV1g//XvkUvsYwdH0k= =NkDt -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

Aug. 8, 2005

Re: [Wlug] Its Meeting time !

by Bill Smith

Le Sun, 7 Aug 2005 16:25:48 -0700 (PDT) > Well, as usual, I have something to say on this > matter....whether or not I have something to actual > ADD, ill leave up to you! > > We use MS Active Directory to authenticate users onto > our linux servers. > > Altho I am no expert, I can share with ya'll my config > files and experiance. > > I am also interested in hearing about LDAP as well. THIS looks promising.... :D -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- William Smith wsmith-at-chezsmith-dot-com Fall River, MA http://www.chezsmith.com Look for something long enough, and eventually you will find it. * TAG! v3.1a *

Aug. 8, 2005

Re: [Wlug] Its Meeting time !

by Mike Leo

Well, as usual, I have something to say on this matter....whether or not I have something to actual ADD, ill leave up to you! We use MS Active Directory to authenticate users onto our linux servers. Altho I am no expert, I can share with ya'll my config files and experiance. I am also interested in hearing about LDAP as well. --- Andy Stewart <andystewart(a)comcast.net> wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > > HI Everybody, > > Time flies, especially in the summer. I can't > believe its already time > for another WLUG meeting. Our meeting is scheduled > for Wednesday, > August 10th at 7:00 PM. > > What will we discuss this month? > > I was hoping somebody had an iRivier or iPod MP3 > player with the Linux > software working that would bring it to the meeting > to demo it, but so > far, nobody has volunteered. (iRiver, iPod, iAudio, > for what does the > 'i' stand - individual??). > > One possible area of interest is directory services > (LDAP). I don't > think we've ever had a talk on that subject. Its my > understanding that > LDAP is good for more than just creating a giant > list of email addresses > for an organization. > > Another possible idea would be a talk about > databases. What are the > differences between MySQL and PostgreSQL - are they > technical or is this > a religious war? > > OK, I've tossed out a few ideas, but to make it > work, we need a > volunteer. Please send me email if you are > interested in leading the > discussion on either these proposed topics or > something else of interest > to the group. > > See ya later, > > Andy > > - -- > Andy Stewart, Founder > Worcester Linux Users' Group > Worcester, MA, USA > http://www.wlug.org > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - > http://enigmail.mozdev.org > > iD8DBQFC9KiSHl0iXDssISsRAiVFAJwNeAujY0DpolNA2rUYQceKHR4hKwCfYZd6 > hAIXR4wrRQM2YCrmuk0K6hk= > =WiLv > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

Aug. 7, 2005

Re: [Wlug] Its Meeting time !

by Bill Smith

Le Sat, 06 Aug 2005 18:45:02 -0400 > I didn't think it would take a whole meeting to talk about MP3 > players, but if 2 or 3 people brought different ones, it would be > interesting. If you get it working on your laptop, it would be great > to see at a meeting. If my Rio still worked, I'd have brought that in too... I used to load the beast with MP3's from my Linux box. Shame it (the Rio) died a mysterious death. :( The LDAP discussion has my attention, though. :D -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- William Smith wsmith-at-chezsmith-dot-com Fall River, MA http://www.chezsmith.com

Aug. 6, 2005

Re: [Wlug] Its Meeting time !

by Andy Stewart

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Frank Moody wrote: > On Sat, Aug 06, 2005 at 08:09:54AM -0400, Andy Stewart wrote: >>-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >>Hash: SHA1 >> >> >>HI Everybody, >> >>Time flies, especially in the summer. I can't believe its already time >>for another WLUG meeting. Our meeting is scheduled for Wednesday, >>August 10th at 7:00 PM. >> >>What will we discuss this month? > <SNIP> > > I'll see about setting up my iRiver with my laptop and bringing it to > the meeting but it isn't going to take more than 10 minutes tops to show off. > > I'd be very interested in an LDAP talk though... > > Frank HI Frank, I didn't think it would take a whole meeting to talk about MP3 players, but if 2 or 3 people brought different ones, it would be interesting. If you get it working on your laptop, it would be great to see at a meeting. Thanks! Andy - -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA, USA http://www.wlug.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFC9T1uHl0iXDssISsRAkrVAJwM9zmqJ+0HxlfqNWyxrLzmb09okgCgiJzs JuHKLmYN9nHu+gtXJZBC1y4= =cwDI -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

Aug. 6, 2005

Re: [Wlug] Its Meeting time !

by Frank Moody

On Sat, Aug 06, 2005 at 08:09:54AM -0400, Andy Stewart wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > > HI Everybody, > > Time flies, especially in the summer. I can't believe its already time > for another WLUG meeting. Our meeting is scheduled for Wednesday, > August 10th at 7:00 PM. > > What will we discuss this month? <SNIP> I'll see about setting up my iRiver with my laptop and bringing it to the meeting but it isn't going to take more than 10 minutes tops to show off. I'd be very interested in an LDAP talk though... Frank

Aug. 6, 2005

Its Meeting time !

by Andy Stewart

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 HI Everybody, Time flies, especially in the summer. I can't believe its already time for another WLUG meeting. Our meeting is scheduled for Wednesday, August 10th at 7:00 PM. What will we discuss this month? I was hoping somebody had an iRivier or iPod MP3 player with the Linux software working that would bring it to the meeting to demo it, but so far, nobody has volunteered. (iRiver, iPod, iAudio, for what does the 'i' stand - individual??). One possible area of interest is directory services (LDAP). I don't think we've ever had a talk on that subject. Its my understanding that LDAP is good for more than just creating a giant list of email addresses for an organization. Another possible idea would be a talk about databases. What are the differences between MySQL and PostgreSQL - are they technical or is this a religious war? OK, I've tossed out a few ideas, but to make it work, we need a volunteer. Please send me email if you are interested in leading the discussion on either these proposed topics or something else of interest to the group. See ya later, Andy - -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA, USA http://www.wlug.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFC9KiSHl0iXDssISsRAiVFAJwNeAujY0DpolNA2rUYQceKHR4hKwCfYZd6 hAIXR4wrRQM2YCrmuk0K6hk= =WiLv -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

Aug. 6, 2005

Re: [Wlug] SSH connection.

by Eric Martin

Mike's two questions are your best bets right now. If sshd is running and iptables isn't blocking port 22,check your system log. Also, go into /etc/ssh/sshd_config and set LogLevel=DEBUG. That will give us loads of info. Also, what are you using for a client? if you're using ssh, turn on debug on the client side. if you're using puTTY, you can just view the event log by right clicking on the title bar (although you'll have to configure it to not close on exit). On 8/5/05, Mike Leo <mleo963(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > what distro? > > is sshd running? > > are iptables running and blocking port 22? > > > > --- Aramico <aramico(a)duahati.com> wrote: > > > Friends, > > > > > > I' ve just re-build the need for my web server. > > Openssl, openssh, mm, and other defined files are > > re-compiled with the > > latest .tar version. > > > > Now, I have web server compilled with that. No > > problem so far the work of > > the server.' > > Now, I get "connection refused" when I tried to > > connect using ssh to the > > server. > > > > Can you please help me here friends ? Should I > > install a new ssh server ? > > > > > > Thanks. > > > > > > Aramico > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wlug mailing list > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

Aug. 5, 2005

Re: [Wlug] Sun co-processor card for sale...

by Adam Keck

Heh, It's pretty big, but with a large clock and fat 14k gold chain it will make a fine piece of geek bling! ;-) -Adam On Aug 5, 2005, at 12:40 AM, Mike Frysinger wrote: > On Friday 05 August 2005 12:30 am, Adam Keck wrote: >> I have a SunPCi II (model #: X2131A) board with memory and Sun PCi II >> 2.2.1 software for 20.00. I can bring it to next week's meeting, if >> anyone is interested. >> <snip> >> I thought I would see if I could get Linux to run on it when I bought >> it, but between school and work I haven't had time... > > yeah, linux sparc peeps usually have stacks of these things because > they're > totally unsupported when the host operating system is linux > > so unless you can run Solaris on the host machine, might as well just > use the > card for jewelry or something ;) > -mike > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Aug. 5, 2005

Re: [Wlug] SSH connection.

by Mike Leo

what distro? is sshd running? are iptables running and blocking port 22? --- Aramico <aramico(a)duahati.com> wrote: > Friends, > > > I' ve just re-build the need for my web server. > Openssl, openssh, mm, and other defined files are > re-compiled with the > latest .tar version. > > Now, I have web server compilled with that. No > problem so far the work of > the server.' > Now, I get "connection refused" when I tried to > connect using ssh to the > server. > > Can you please help me here friends ? Should I > install a new ssh server ? > > > Thanks. > > > Aramico > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

Aug. 5, 2005

SSH connection.

by Aramico

Friends, I' ve just re-build the need for my web server. Openssl, openssh, mm, and other defined files are re-compiled with the latest .tar version. Now, I have web server compilled with that. No problem so far the work of the server.' Now, I get "connection refused" when I tried to connect using ssh to the server. Can you please help me here friends ? Should I install a new ssh server ? Thanks. Aramico

Aug. 5, 2005

Re: [Wlug] Sun co-processor card for sale...

by Mike Frysinger

On Friday 05 August 2005 12:30 am, Adam Keck wrote: > I have a SunPCi II (model #: X2131A) board with memory and Sun PCi II > 2.2.1 software for 20.00. I can bring it to next week's meeting, if > anyone is interested. > <snip> > I thought I would see if I could get Linux to run on it when I bought > it, but between school and work I haven't had time... yeah, linux sparc peeps usually have stacks of these things because they're totally unsupported when the host operating system is linux so unless you can run Solaris on the host machine, might as well just use the card for jewelry or something ;) -mike

Aug. 5, 2005

Sun co-processor card for sale...

by Adam Keck

Hello All, I have a SunPCi II (model #: X2131A) board with memory and Sun PCi II 2.2.1 software for 20.00. I can bring it to next week's meeting, if anyone is interested. From http://www.mmayer.net/sunpci/sunpcii.html: * Processor: Intel Celeron * Clock: 600 MHz * Memory: 64 MB (max. 512 MB) * Part Number: X2131A (#375-0131) * Software Version: 2.2.1 * Supported Machines: Sun Ultra and Blade Workstations (Ultra 5, 10, 30, 60, 80, or 450; Sun Blade 100, or 1000) * Supported Guest OSes: DOS and Windows 3.11, Windows 9x, Windows NT Workstation 4.0, Windows 2000 Professional * Solaris Versions: 2.6 and above I thought I would see if I could get Linux to run on it when I bought it, but between school and work I haven't had time... -Adam

Aug. 5, 2005

Re: [Wlug] Portable MP3 (and ogg) players and Linux

by Andre Lehovich

--- Chuck Homic <homic(a)ml1.net> wrote: > I wouldn't know if there's a hardware Vorbis player in existence There's a bunch of hardware which supports Ogg Vorbis, less which supports Ogg FLAC. For details see: http://wiki.xiph.org/index.php/VorbisHardware --Andre __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Aug. 3, 2005

Re: [Wlug] Portable MP3 (and ogg) players and Linux

by Frank Moody

On Sat, Jul 30, 2005 at 05:27:54PM -0400, Chuck Homic wrote: > I wouldn't know if there's a hardware Vorbis player in existence, though > I haven't researched it. As I understand it, Ogg Vorbis was designed to > be optimal for floating point hardware in PC processors. <SNIP> > -Chuck There are a few hardware Ogg Vorbis players out there (like the iRiver I posted about). While the original software was developed on PCs and used floating point, the "Tremor" codec, which didn't require floating point support and was designed specifically for a portable/handheld, has been available since Sept 2002. Given that it was patent unencumbered and released under a BSD-like license, I'm somewhat surprised (though I suppose I shouldn't be) that the support hasn't been more widespread. (While the argument could be made that it requires more processing power than MP3, so do all the MP3 followon/replacement codecs.) Frank

Aug. 3, 2005

Re: [Wlug] Portable MP3 (and ogg) players and Linux

by Frank Moody

I picked up an iRiver iFP-799T a small while back and have been quite happy with it so far. A quick rundown on the points you asked about and a couple additions: Company : iRiver Model : iFP-799T Specs : http://www.iriveramerica.com/prod/ultra/700/ifp_799.aspx Flash : Yes, 1GB Standard Batteries: Yes, a single AA Data Transfer : USB 2.0 Update/Upgradeable: Yes, via uploading the firmware and triggering the update. Support Linux : An open source app (http://ifp-driver.sourceforge.net/) is available as well as an alternate firmware that allows you to treat the device as USB Mass Storage (Haven't tried it). Ogg : Specs say yes but haven't tested it yet. MP3 : Yes WMA : Yes (but who cares...) FM Tuner : Yes Recording : Yes, Encodes to MP3 from Mic, Line in, and radio. I've been using it mostly to listen to podcasts (which I'm using bpconf and bashpodder to retrieve) and it has been working out well. Only one oddity discovered so far, at certain low and odd encodings, there are some audio artifacts. I've only run across that particular magic combo once and it was so silly/rare that I didn't even bother to note what it was (really low single digit bitrate, very odd sample rate, etc). The content was still audible, there were just some high pitched chirps overlaid on it. The battery seems to make up about half the weight of the device and it is small enough to fit in a pocket. Comes with a neck strap (which I use to attach it to a belt loop) and a sport arm band (that I found mostly useless). There is also a built in text viewer capability, but I have no earthly idea why... Frank

Aug. 2, 2005

Re: [Wlug] Portable MP3 (and ogg) players and Linux

by Chuck Homic

I wouldn't know if there's a hardware Vorbis player in existence, though I haven't researched it. As I understand it, Ogg Vorbis was designed to be optimal for floating point hardware in PC processors. Anyway, I bought a 512MB flash MP3 player from juicekissdigital.com 6 months or so ago. (Their web site is now "under construction" but I assume their eBay store is active.) Plugged into USB it appears just like a flash media with a FAT16 filesystem, making it Linux compatible enough for me. It goes for 5 hours on a single AAA battery, which I happen to have NiMH rechargables, which is also great for me. Whenever I travel, I take it and 3 extra batteries, though I never used the first extra battery completely. Just poke "mp3 player" into eBay. Now the 1GB units are extremely reasonably priced. Most, like mine, are "Chinese brand," which is fine for my taste, and comes with a hilariously translated manual. Others are SanDisk or other known brands of flash media. I don't think you can go wrong with any of them. -Chuck

July 30, 2005

Re: [Wlug] Portable MP3 (and ogg) players and Linux

by Andy Stewart

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 HI all, While surfing, I've discovered the iAudio G3. It looks nice on paper - I wonder how it is in reality? Later, Andy - -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA, USA http://www.wlug.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFC6t7CHl0iXDssISsRAqgjAJ9+1517RpmNNAOF3wgMah6Mc/T8vgCgh3LX FKt3VEQv3Yo1+4sGke2aNHk= =Orwm -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

July 30, 2005

Re: [Wlug] Portable MP3 (and ogg) players and Linux

by Mike Leo

my only advise is to stay away from the iPod Shuffle....i got my for free, and it almost isn't worth that much. --- Andy Stewart <andystewart(a)comcast.net> wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > > HI gang, > > I'm starting to investigate the purchase of a new > toy - a portable music > player. My preferences would be: > > - - flash, not hard drive, based > - - standard batteries (AA,AAA, etc) > - - works reasonably well with Linux > - - plays ogg (nice but not necessary - aren't the > files smaller than mp3) > - - plays mp3 > > I currently have a perfectly functional RioVolt 250 > and my only > complaint is that it is quite bulky relative to what > is available today. > > I was considering some of the offerings by iRiver, > as there seems to be > some support by the Linux community. > > Does anybody own an iRiver flash based player, and > what is your > experience with it? > > Does anybody have other recommendations in this > area? > > Maybe we should make this the topic of a meeting??? > > Thanks, > > Andy > > - -- > Andy Stewart, Founder > Worcester Linux Users' Group > Worcester, MA, USA > http://www.wlug.org > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - > http://enigmail.mozdev.org > > iD8DBQFC6s8qHl0iXDssISsRAm6QAJ92gZGJWjLnEHGHJejWuZiAhTZh0QCfcQpz > 3EJaVxol5W6btG6a+4sRk8Y= > =NZnt > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

July 30, 2005

Portable MP3 (and ogg) players and Linux

by Andy Stewart

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 HI gang, I'm starting to investigate the purchase of a new toy - a portable music player. My preferences would be: - - flash, not hard drive, based - - standard batteries (AA,AAA, etc) - - works reasonably well with Linux - - plays ogg (nice but not necessary - aren't the files smaller than mp3) - - plays mp3 I currently have a perfectly functional RioVolt 250 and my only complaint is that it is quite bulky relative to what is available today. I was considering some of the offerings by iRiver, as there seems to be some support by the Linux community. Does anybody own an iRiver flash based player, and what is your experience with it? Does anybody have other recommendations in this area? Maybe we should make this the topic of a meeting??? Thanks, Andy - -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA, USA http://www.wlug.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFC6s8qHl0iXDssISsRAm6QAJ92gZGJWjLnEHGHJejWuZiAhTZh0QCfcQpz 3EJaVxol5W6btG6a+4sRk8Y= =NZnt -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

July 30, 2005

Re: [Wlug] SuSE dual frustration....

by Andy Stewart

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 HI Adam et al, As you may recall, I had a lot of trouble with SuSE and lockups on my dual Opteron system until I upgraded to a stock 2.6.12 kernel (not the SuSE supplied kernel). I haven't tried any kernel version beyond that because what I have actually works and is reliable. I'd be curious to know what kernel version you use and what result you have with it. Later, Andy - -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA, USA http://www.wlug.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFC6BOEHl0iXDssISsRAtOZAJ0VXJh3ItUMnhGWz52z0nDz3NFsTACeOLgL yxWAPWkJnE43XGnpv2WDI0k= =mBD8 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

July 27, 2005

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by douglas.r.aker＠verizon.com

I will be out of the office starting 07/27/2005 and will not return until 08/08/2005. I will respond to your message when I return. Or, if you need an immediate response, contact Cathy Fragala at Cathleen.E.Fragala(a)Verizon.com

July 27, 2005

Re: [Wlug] SuSE dual frustration....

by Adam Keck

Hello All, I am getting past the grub menu. I found more information, though. Apparently, the default SuSE 9.3 kernel does not handle some aspect of the multiple core cpus well. If you boot with maxcpus=1, it will boot properly. http://www.beowulf.org/archive/2005-July/013273.html claims that, once you get it booted, you need to compile rc3 of kernel 2.6.12. This seems odd though; 2.6.12-rc3 came out in April, but the message was posted this month. He may be referring to 2.6.13-rc3, the current release candidate. At any rate, SuSE released an updated kernel package set in June, so I am going to try those packages once my reinstall concludes. -Adam On Wednesday, July 27, 2005, at 11:53AM, Mike Leo <mleo963(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >can you try one of SUse's LIve CD's? > >Also, are you getting a lilo/grub menu or does the >"error" occur before that? > >--- Adam Keck <ghostis(a)mac.com> wrote: > >> Hello All, >> >> I am trying to install SuSE 9.3 on a dual >> dual-core Opteron system. I can boot into the >> installation kernel and do an installation, but when >> the system reboots it boots to a black screen with a >> ~2 inch horizontal green line in the upper left-hand >> corner. I am not sure where to start >> troubleshooting this, since I do not have much error >> output. >> >> The things I know so far: >> >> o Knoppix 3.9 boots fine and runs off CD. >> o SuSE 9.2's installation kernel boots to the same >> state. >> o My install of 9.3 was a basic "click next" >> install. >> o >> http://www.beowulf.org/archive/2005-July/013234.html >> indicates there may be some issue with the initrd, >> but does not say what the guy did. My impression is >> that I am not even getting that far, though. >> >> >> Any help/hints/direction would be much appreciated. >> >> Thanks very much! >> >> >> -Adam >> _______________________________________________ >> Wlug mailing list >> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >> > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >http://mail.yahoo.com >_______________________________________________ >Wlug mailing list >Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > -Adam

July 27, 2005

Re: [Wlug] SuSE dual frustration....

by Mike Leo

can you try one of SUse's LIve CD's? Also, are you getting a lilo/grub menu or does the "error" occur before that? --- Adam Keck <ghostis(a)mac.com> wrote: > Hello All, > > I am trying to install SuSE 9.3 on a dual > dual-core Opteron system. I can boot into the > installation kernel and do an installation, but when > the system reboots it boots to a black screen with a > ~2 inch horizontal green line in the upper left-hand > corner. I am not sure where to start > troubleshooting this, since I do not have much error > output. > > The things I know so far: > > o Knoppix 3.9 boots fine and runs off CD. > o SuSE 9.2's installation kernel boots to the same > state. > o My install of 9.3 was a basic "click next" > install. > o > http://www.beowulf.org/archive/2005-July/013234.html > indicates there may be some issue with the initrd, > but does not say what the guy did. My impression is > that I am not even getting that far, though. > > > Any help/hints/direction would be much appreciated. > > Thanks very much! > > > -Adam > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

July 27, 2005

SuSE dual frustration....

by Adam Keck

Hello All, I am trying to install SuSE 9.3 on a dual dual-core Opteron system. I can boot into the installation kernel and do an installation, but when the system reboots it boots to a black screen with a ~2 inch horizontal green line in the upper left-hand corner. I am not sure where to start troubleshooting this, since I do not have much error output. The things I know so far: o Knoppix 3.9 boots fine and runs off CD. o SuSE 9.2's installation kernel boots to the same state. o My install of 9.3 was a basic "click next" install. o http://www.beowulf.org/archive/2005-July/013234.html indicates there may be some issue with the initrd, but does not say what the guy did. My impression is that I am not even getting that far, though. Any help/hints/direction would be much appreciated. Thanks very much! -Adam

July 27, 2005

Re: [Wlug] Server configuration

by Michael Long

Theo Van Dinter wrote: >On Tue, Jul 26, 2005 at 05:57:10PM -0400, Michael Long wrote: > > >>I am building web/database server and am looking for some installation advice. The >>system will have an IDE boot drive for the OS and a raid for the data files. Is >> >> > >First, I would skip the IDE drive. No point in using RAID if you're just >going to have a different single point of failure. > > > Point taken on the IDE drive. >>there an advantage to partitioning the raid drive so that the web content is on one >>partition and the database files are on another or am I better off keeping it as a >>single partition. >> >> > >If it's going to be 1 RAID array, IMO, it doesn't really matter. Your problem >is going to be disk contention either way. If you were really worried about >this, you'd make 2 different arrays. > > > I am planning to use raid 5. Would it be correct to assume disk contention would remain the same no matter the number of partitions?

July 27, 2005

Re: [Wlug] getting a little burnt by the Sun

by Mike Leo

If only I could have waited 4 minutes before posting this email!!! Section "InputDevice" Identifier "Mouse0" Driver "mouse" Option "Protocol" "BusMouse" Option "Device" "/dev/sunmouse" Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5" Option "Emulate3Buttons" "no" EndSection --- Mike Leo <mleo963(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > Never mind! > > Now im working no the mouse. > > Keyboard answer is: > > Option XkbRules Sun > Optino XkbModel type5_unix > Option XkbLayout us > Option XkbVariant basic > > --- Mike Leo <mleo963(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > Hi again... > > > > I screwed up my XF86Config file and now X "starts" > > but > > the keyboard mouse is all screwed up. > > > > Since xf86config does not list Sun, what do I put > > for > > the keyboard/mouse type? > > > > This is a Sun Ultra30 running Aurora linux (for > > now). > > > > thanks > > mike > > > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________ > > Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home > page > > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wlug mailing list > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > ____________________________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs

July 27, 2005

Re: [Wlug] getting a little burnt by the Sun

by Mike Leo

Never mind! Now im working no the mouse. Keyboard answer is: Option XkbRules Sun Optino XkbModel type5_unix Option XkbLayout us Option XkbVariant basic --- Mike Leo <mleo963(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > Hi again... > > I screwed up my XF86Config file and now X "starts" > but > the keyboard mouse is all screwed up. > > Since xf86config does not list Sun, what do I put > for > the keyboard/mouse type? > > This is a Sun Ultra30 running Aurora linux (for > now). > > thanks > mike > > > > > ____________________________________________________ > Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

July 27, 2005

getting a little burnt by the Sun

by Mike Leo

Hi again... I screwed up my XF86Config file and now X "starts" but the keyboard mouse is all screwed up. Since xf86config does not list Sun, what do I put for the keyboard/mouse type? This is a Sun Ultra30 running Aurora linux (for now). thanks mike ____________________________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs

July 27, 2005

Re: [Wlug] Server configuration

by Theo Van Dinter

On Tue, Jul 26, 2005 at 05:57:10PM -0400, Michael Long wrote: > I am building web/database server and am looking for some installation advice. The > system will have an IDE boot drive for the OS and a raid for the data files. Is First, I would skip the IDE drive. No point in using RAID if you're just going to have a different single point of failure. > there an advantage to partitioning the raid drive so that the web content is on one > partition and the database files are on another or am I better off keeping it as a > single partition. If it's going to be 1 RAID array, IMO, it doesn't really matter. Your problem is going to be disk contention either way. If you were really worried about this, you'd make 2 different arrays. -- Randomly Generated Tagline: DEVICE=EXXON.SYS may mess up your environment

July 26, 2005

Server configuration

by Michael Long

Hi, I am building web/database server and am looking for some installation advice. The system will have an IDE boot drive for the OS and a raid for the data files. Is there an advantage to partitioning the raid drive so that the web content is on one partition and the database files are on another or am I better off keeping it as a single partition. System Specs: Dual Opteron 248 2.2 GHz LSI Logic MegaRAID SCSI 320-1 Controller Seagate Cheetah 10K.7 - 73 GB - Ultra320 SCSI Seagate 80 GB IDE drive Suse 9.3 Thanks in advance, Mike

July 26, 2005

Re: [Wlug] vpn client

by Jared Greenwald

Yea, the Cisco VPN needs the kernel sources. On gentoo I have to recompile it every time I update my kernel... On 7/26/05, Jill Benware <jill.benware(a)gmail.com> wrote: > suse 9.3 > > > > > On 7/26/05, Mike Leo <mleo963(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > what distro? > > > > --- Jill Benware <jill.benware(a)gmail.com > wrote: > > > > > Alright, on my quest to retrieve files I left on a > > > server back in Baltimore > > > I have decided to download VPN client for Linux and > > > try that. I have not > > > succeeded. When installing I get "failed to make > > > module cisco_ipsec.ko"...I > > > haven't had loads of time to play but if anyone > > > knows how I can get > > > connected please let me know. Thank you. > > > > > > Jill > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Wlug mailing list > > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________ > > Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page > > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > >

July 26, 2005

Re: [Wlug] smbmount

by Eric Martin

the way I usually do it is mount -t smbfs //<ip or name of windows server>/<sharename> /mnt/mountpoint -o username=MYUSERNAME,workgroup=MYWORKGROUPorDOMAIN. eg mount -t smbfs //fileserv/homes /home/freak4u/NTHome -o username=freak4u On 7/25/05, Brett Russ <icycle(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > On 7/25/05, Mike Frysinger <vapier(a)gentoo.org> wrote: > > On Monday 25 July 2005 07:05 pm, Jill Benware wrote: > > > I was wondering if anyone knew how to connect to a windows share. I > know > > > the server, ip, share, workgroup, and I have a username/password. Can > > > anyone help me with this? Thanks. > > > > `man smbmount` is pretty helpful > > Also: > > smbclient -L <IP> > or maybe it's > smbclient -L //<IP> > > is a helpful command to list the shares available from a machine with > that IP address. > > BR > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

July 26, 2005

Re: [Wlug] vpn client

by Jill Benware

suse 9.3 On 7/26/05, Mike Leo <mleo963(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > what distro? > > --- Jill Benware <jill.benware(a)gmail.com > wrote: > > > Alright, on my quest to retrieve files I left on a > > server back in Baltimore > > I have decided to download VPN client for Linux and > > try that. I have not > > succeeded. When installing I get "failed to make > > module cisco_ipsec.ko"...I > > haven't had loads of time to play but if anyone > > knows how I can get > > connected please let me know. Thank you. > > > > Jill > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wlug mailing list > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________ > Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs > >

July 26, 2005

RE: [Wlug] vpn client

by Andrew Robert

Assuming SSH is enabled, have you considered scp? -----Original Message----- From: wlug-bounces(a)mail.wlug.org [mailto:wlug-bounces@mail.wlug.org] On Behalf Of Mike Leo Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2005 12:26 AM To: Jill Benware; Worcester Linux Users Group Subject: Re: [Wlug] vpn client what distro? --- Jill Benware <jill.benware(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Alright, on my quest to retrieve files I left on a > server back in Baltimore > I have decided to download VPN client for Linux and > try that. I have not > succeeded. When installing I get "failed to make > module cisco_ipsec.ko"...I > haven't had loads of time to play but if anyone > knows how I can get > connected please let me know. Thank you. > > Jill > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > ____________________________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

July 26, 2005

Re: [Wlug] vpn client

by Mike Leo

what distro? --- Jill Benware <jill.benware(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Alright, on my quest to retrieve files I left on a > server back in Baltimore > I have decided to download VPN client for Linux and > try that. I have not > succeeded. When installing I get "failed to make > module cisco_ipsec.ko"...I > haven't had loads of time to play but if anyone > knows how I can get > connected please let me know. Thank you. > > Jill > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > ____________________________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs

July 26, 2005

Re: [Wlug] vpn client

by Brett Russ

On 7/25/05, Jill Benware <jill.benware(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Alright, on my quest to retrieve files I left on a server back in Baltimore > I have decided to download VPN client for Linux and try that. I have not > succeeded. When installing I get "failed to make module cisco_ipsec.ko"...I > haven't had loads of time to play but if anyone knows how I can get > connected please let me know. Thank you. Try installing the kernel sources that you're currently running with, go into the kernel source directory (usually /usr/src/linux) then running: make distclean cloneconfig modules_prepare then try the cisco build again, making sure that the cisco make knows about the location of your kernel source tree that you setup above. BR

July 26, 2005

Re: [Wlug] smbmount

by Brett Russ

On 7/25/05, Mike Frysinger <vapier(a)gentoo.org> wrote: > On Monday 25 July 2005 07:05 pm, Jill Benware wrote: > > I was wondering if anyone knew how to connect to a windows share. I know > > the server, ip, share, workgroup, and I have a username/password. Can > > anyone help me with this? Thanks. > > `man smbmount` is pretty helpful Also: smbclient -L <IP> or maybe it's smbclient -L //<IP> is a helpful command to list the shares available from a machine with that IP address. BR

July 26, 2005

vpn client

by Jill Benware

Alright, on my quest to retrieve files I left on a server back in Baltimore I have decided to download VPN client for Linux and try that. I have not succeeded. When installing I get "failed to make module cisco_ipsec.ko"...I haven't had loads of time to play but if anyone knows how I can get connected please let me know. Thank you. Jill

July 26, 2005

Re: [Wlug] smbmount

by Mike Leo

also....using domain authentication the syntax is backwards mount -t smbfs //server/share /mnt/location -o username=user/msdomainname --- Mike Frysinger <vapier(a)gentoo.org> wrote: > On Monday 25 July 2005 07:05 pm, Jill Benware wrote: > > I was wondering if anyone knew how to connect to a > windows share. I know > > the server, ip, share, workgroup, and I have a > username/password. Can > > anyone help me with this? Thanks. > > `man smbmount` is pretty helpful > > here's some typical mounts i use: > mount -t smbfs //matt/c$ /mnt/smb -o > username=Administrator > mount -t smbfs //slug/space /mnt/space > > in your case you want: > mount -t smbfs //IP/SHARE /mnt/localmount -o > username=USERNAME > then when you hit enter it'll prompt you for > PASSWORD > -mike > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

July 26, 2005

Re: [Wlug] smbmount

by Mike Frysinger

On Monday 25 July 2005 07:05 pm, Jill Benware wrote: > I was wondering if anyone knew how to connect to a windows share. I know > the server, ip, share, workgroup, and I have a username/password. Can > anyone help me with this? Thanks. `man smbmount` is pretty helpful here's some typical mounts i use: mount -t smbfs //matt/c$ /mnt/smb -o username=Administrator mount -t smbfs //slug/space /mnt/space in your case you want: mount -t smbfs //IP/SHARE /mnt/localmount -o username=USERNAME then when you hit enter it'll prompt you for PASSWORD -mike

July 25, 2005

smbmount

by Jill Benware

Hi everyone, I was wondering if anyone knew how to connect to a windows share. I know the server, ip, share, workgroup, and I have a username/password. Can anyone help me with this? Thanks. Jill

July 25, 2005

RE: [Wlug] Message for Chuck

by Mike Leo

Thank you everyone for your replies. However, this boots to Aurora, so boot -s didn't work....which did get me to thinking... in order to boot, i needed to know the image name to use, but didn't, in order to boot to it in -s (single user mode). So, I guessed. linux -s The lesson here is always use a boot loader password to prevent such things (like someone breaking into your system) from happening. thanks mike --- "Minkov, Ross" <Ross.Minkov(a)hp.com> wrote: > > To boot to single user mode type "boot -s" at the ok > prompt: > > ok> boot -s > > > Regards, > Ross > > > -----Original Message----- > From: wlug-bounces(a)mail.wlug.org > [mailto:wlug-bounces@mail.wlug.org] On > Behalf Of Theo Van Dinter > Sent: Friday, July 22, 2005 10:21 PM > To: Worcester Linux Users Group > Subject: Re: [Wlug] Message for Chuck > > On Fri, Jul 22, 2005 at 07:04:29PM -0700, Mike Leo > wrote: > > This is my first venture into Sun, but this is > running > > Aurora right now anyway. > > Oh. In that case, you can probably boot into single > user mode, or my > favorite > of passing "init=/bin/sh" to the kernel, and edit > shadow. ;) The live > CD or > whatever is good too. > > > What is sync, sync, mean? > > "sync" is a command that suggests to the OS that it > ought to flush its > disk buffers out to the actual disk. A habit I > picked up a while ago > was > to do two or three of them in a row before doing > something to the > system, > such as rebooting, doing the ol' Stop-A/disconnect > disk/go trick on the > Sparc, etc. It's not normally needed, but just > something I do for good > measure in certain cirumstances. ;) > > -- > Randomly Generated Tagline: > Zapp: The spirit is willing but the flesh is > spongey and bruised. > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

July 23, 2005

RE: [Wlug] Message for Chuck

by Minkov, Ross

To boot to single user mode type "boot -s" at the ok prompt: ok> boot -s Regards, Ross -----Original Message----- From: wlug-bounces(a)mail.wlug.org [mailto:wlug-bounces@mail.wlug.org] On Behalf Of Theo Van Dinter Sent: Friday, July 22, 2005 10:21 PM To: Worcester Linux Users Group Subject: Re: [Wlug] Message for Chuck On Fri, Jul 22, 2005 at 07:04:29PM -0700, Mike Leo wrote: > This is my first venture into Sun, but this is running > Aurora right now anyway. Oh. In that case, you can probably boot into single user mode, or my favorite of passing "init=/bin/sh" to the kernel, and edit shadow. ;) The live CD or whatever is good too. > What is sync, sync, mean? "sync" is a command that suggests to the OS that it ought to flush its disk buffers out to the actual disk. A habit I picked up a while ago was to do two or three of them in a row before doing something to the system, such as rebooting, doing the ol' Stop-A/disconnect disk/go trick on the Sparc, etc. It's not normally needed, but just something I do for good measure in certain cirumstances. ;) -- Randomly Generated Tagline: Zapp: The spirit is willing but the flesh is spongey and bruised.

July 23, 2005

Re: [Wlug] Message for Chuck

by Theo Van Dinter

On Fri, Jul 22, 2005 at 07:04:29PM -0700, Mike Leo wrote: > This is my first venture into Sun, but this is running > Aurora right now anyway. Oh. In that case, you can probably boot into single user mode, or my favorite of passing "init=/bin/sh" to the kernel, and edit shadow. ;) The live CD or whatever is good too. > What is sync, sync, mean? "sync" is a command that suggests to the OS that it ought to flush its disk buffers out to the actual disk. A habit I picked up a while ago was to do two or three of them in a row before doing something to the system, such as rebooting, doing the ol' Stop-A/disconnect disk/go trick on the Sparc, etc. It's not normally needed, but just something I do for good measure in certain cirumstances. ;) -- Randomly Generated Tagline: Zapp: The spirit is willing but the flesh is spongey and bruised.

July 23, 2005

Re: [Wlug] Message for Chuck

by Mike Leo

No cd's. This is my first venture into Sun, but this is running Aurora right now anyway. Gona try a live cd and see what happens, but I also have the Sun Solaris 10 download. Ill try making a bootable Disk1 and try your suggestion. What is sync, sync, mean? --- Theo Van Dinter <felicity(a)kluge.net> wrote: > On Fri, Jul 22, 2005 at 06:46:51PM -0700, Mike Leo > wrote: > > or anyone who can break into my new Sun box > > Chuck...not sure if you'd check your WPI mail, but > I > > didn't get the root password.... > > any clues? > > It depends, did you get a Solaris CD with the > machine? If so, boot off it, > drop to a prompt, edit the shadow file, > sync;sync;reboot ... :) > > -- > Randomly Generated Tagline: > I vow to consider your idea fairly, before I reject > it. > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail Stay connected, organized, and protected. Take the tour: http://tour.mail.yahoo.com/mailtour.html

July 23, 2005

Re: [Wlug] Message for Chuck

by Theo Van Dinter

On Fri, Jul 22, 2005 at 06:46:51PM -0700, Mike Leo wrote: > or anyone who can break into my new Sun box > Chuck...not sure if you'd check your WPI mail, but I > didn't get the root password.... > any clues? It depends, did you get a Solaris CD with the machine? If so, boot off it, drop to a prompt, edit the shadow file, sync;sync;reboot ... :) -- Randomly Generated Tagline: I vow to consider your idea fairly, before I reject it.

July 23, 2005

Message for Chuck

by Mike Leo

or anyone who can break into my new Sun box Chuck...not sure if you'd check your WPI mail, but I didn't get the root password.... any clues? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

July 23, 2005

Re: [Wlug] Cross Compiling

by J Schonberg

If you are curious about building cross compilers, you might have a look at the crosstool. http://kegel.com/crosstool/ http://kegel.com/crosstool/crosstool-0.37/buildlogs/ The above links provid information about building gcc to go across architectures. If you are just going x86 linux to x86 windows, you may find cygwin and/or mingw to be what you are seeking. Cheers. Jason --- Tom Misilo <tmisilo(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Hey, > > I was wondering if it is at possible (and if it is for > links,guides,tutorials,tips) to cross compile (create windows > .exe's > under linux). So I don't have to use windows and some c++ compiler > there to share stuff with friends :) > > Thanks, > > Tom > -- > Tom Misilo > AIM:Tmisilo FL > MSN:tmisilo@gmail.com > Jabber:tmisilo@jabber.org > Skype: tmisilo > IRC: irc.freenode.net nick: [mdevilz] > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

July 22, 2005

Re: [Wlug] Cross Compiling

by Mike Frysinger

On Thursday 21 July 2005 10:14 pm, Tom Misilo wrote: > I was wondering if it is at possible (and if it is for > links,guides,tutorials,tips) to cross compile (create windows .exe's > under linux). So I don't have to use windows and some c++ compiler > there to share stuff with friends :) give this site a try http://www.mingw.org/ -mike

July 22, 2005

Cross Compiling

by Tom Misilo

Hey, I was wondering if it is at possible (and if it is for links,guides,tutorials,tips) to cross compile (create windows .exe's under linux). So I don't have to use windows and some c++ compiler there to share stuff with friends :) Thanks, Tom -- Tom Misilo AIM:Tmisilo FL MSN:tmisilo@gmail.com Jabber:tmisilo@jabber.org Skype: tmisilo IRC: irc.freenode.net nick: [mdevilz]

July 22, 2005

[Fwd: Linux Jobs @ Google...]

by Andy Stewart

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Forwarded at the request of Jeff Polo - please respond directly to him if you have interest in any of these job opportunities. Later, Andy - -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Linux Jobs @ Google... Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 12:00:41 -0700 From: Jeff Polo <jpolo(a)google.com> To: <wlug-owner(a)mail.wlug.org> CC: <fs(a)wpi.edu>, <andystewart(a)comcast.net> Hello, My name is Jeff Polo, and I'm a recruiter with Google. We're currently searching for Linux systems experts with strong scripting/coding skills and some networking experience for a number of great opportunities within our Site Reliability Engineering (SRE) team. Our SRE's are involved in all aspects of running Google's services, from design to debug, and from architecture to applications. Google is looking for the best in engineering talent, and I'm sure a number of your members have the skills that match up with some of our openings. I was wondering if it would be possible for you to post a couple of jobs to your WLUG site, an appropriate mailing list, or otherwise let your members know about these great opportunities at Google. If so, I've pasted a couple of representative job descriptions below. If there is a way/forum for me to do this myself, please let me know. If it's not possible, I completely understand, and realize that some technical forums choose not to advertise job opportunities. If you're able to distribute this information to your members, be assured that these are real and excellent opportunities, and that I will respond to all that apply to my email address. We have openings in Kirkland, WA, as well as in our other development offices in Mountain View, CA; New York, NY; Dublin, Ireland; and Zurich, Switzerland Please feel free to call or email with any questions, and thanks in advance for your consideration and time. Jeff Polo Google Staffing Office: 650-623-4767 jpolo(a)google.com %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% Senior Systems Administrator/Architect, Google.com (SRE) Positions available in Mountain View, CA; New York, NY; Kirkland, WA; Zurich, Switzerland; and in our European Operations HQ in Dublin, Ireland. Are you a detail-oriented systems professional, seasoned Unix jockey, Internet services architect, database whiz, performance analyst, or software engineer, at the top of your game? Looking for the next cool problem to solve, in a fast-paced and engineering-driven environment? Can you write a script or application that performs practically the entire job you once held earlier in your career? Does your idea of a good time involve taking things apart just to see how they work? Are you successful putting them back together when you're done? Can you help achieve increased Availability, Reliability, Uptime, and Quality? (for our systems and services, naturally) If you answered "Yes" to more than three of the above questions, you may have what it takes. Keep reading. Google.com Engineers are involved in all aspects of running our site. From design to debug, from architecture to applications, Google.com engineers spend their time troubleshooting problems in large-scale clustered application service environments, and focus on making continual improvements to our services. Working for Google.com, you will wear many hats: performance analyst, service architect, system/database administrator, capacity planner, tools developer, monitoring expert, and technical evangelist, for all components of Google.com's services. This position requires a passion for problem solving, deep understanding of networks, operating systems, multi-tiered Internet services, and the ability to learn new applications and concepts quickly. Strong scripting skills are essential. Requirements: 3+ years experience in Unix or Linux Systems Administrator. Experience in a high-volume or critical production service environment. Strong understanding of networking; understanding of how to isolate, diagnose, and resolve service delivery components (service delivery components include servers, networks, and applications); be familiar with the functionality, operating, and failure modes of key networking devices (routers, switches, bridges, firewalls, hardware load balancers); be able to identify networking as the potential cause of a service issue using server-resident tools to generate this data (tcpdump, ping, traceroute, etc.); familiarity in interpreting the output of these tools; familiarity with common network topologies, protocols, and tools; have some notion of common network security exploits -- and their remedies; understanding of troubleshooting at the packet level. Skilled in leading projects, especially in deploying live end-user systems. Proven technical troubleshooting experience. Database administration experience a plus. Programming or debugging of web applications running under Java VM. In-depth knowledge of Linux, networking, and shell scripting. Knowledge of Python programming a plus. Experience with MySQL a plus. Programming and troubleshooting skills in C/C++ and/or Java a plus. Excellent written and verbal communication skills. Ability to handle periodic on-call duty as well as out-of-band requests. BA/BS in Computer Science or a related technical discipline. For immediate consideration, please send a text (ASCII) or HTML version of your resume to jpolo(a)google.com. Important: The subject field of your email must include Senior Systems Administrator/Architect, Google.com (SRE) %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% Senior Software Engineer/Unix System & Network Administrator, Google.com (SRE) Positions available in Mountain View, CA; New York, NY; Kirkland, WA; Zurich, Switzerland; and in our European Operations HQ in Dublin, Ireland. Are you part ace coder, part adrenalin junkie? Do you have a knack for seeing a problem and immediately discerning the likely solution? Maybe you've been coding for years, are bored with the old design-build-review-test-ship-repeat routine, and yearn for some faster-paced challenges? Or perhaps you're a seasoned software engineer who is also a genius at jockeying networks and administering UNIX clusters. We're looking for top-notch thrill seeking, software engineers to join the Google.com team. Google.com engineers are in the thick of everything involved with keeping Google running, from code-level troubleshooting of traffic anomalies to maintenance of our most cutting edge services; from monitoring and alerts to building new automation infrastructure. We are aggressively building this elite team of high level engineers in this mission critical environment. All team members must have strong analytical and troubleshooting skills, fluency in coding, good communication skills, and most of all enthusiasm for tackling the complex problems of scale which are uniquely Google. Google.com engineers tackle challenging, novel situations every day, and work with just about every other engineering and operations team in the process. Qualifications: Strong programming/scripting skills in any of the following: C, C++, Java, Perl, Python. Senior Level experience with Unix system administration. Strong understanding of networking; understanding of how to isolate, diagnose, and resolve service delivery components (service delivery components include servers, networks, and applications); be familiar with the functionality, operating, and failure modes of key networking devices (routers, switches, bridges, firewalls, hardware load balancers); be able to identify networking as the potential cause of a service issue using server-resident tools to generate this data (tcpdump, ping, traceroute, etc.); familiarity in interpreting the output of these tools; familiarity with common network topologies, protocols, and tools; have some notion of common network security exploits -- and their remedies; understanding of troubleshooting at the packet level. Strong project management skills, especially in deploying live end-user systems. In-depth knowledge of Unix (preferably Linux), and shell scripting. Proven technical troubleshooting experience. Excellent analytic ability, strong communication skills, and a strong sense of urgency. Ability to handle periodic on-call duty as well as out-of-band requests. 6-15+ years experience for Senior SWE position, or 3-8 years experience for SWE position. BA/BS in CS, or equivalent experience. For immediate consideration, please send a text (ASCII) or HTML version of your resume jpolo(a)google.com. Important: The subject field of your email must include Senior Software Engineer/Unix System & Network Administrator, Google.com (SRE) - -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA, USA http://www.wlug.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFC3uPWHl0iXDssISsRApoZAKCFM90GjptxEWkJ+HcTGgdBz155ywCfd+Av Twtek2hmubn1uSWXZxewmUs= =tlcM -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

July 20, 2005

Re: [Wlug] Sun hardware for sale

by Mike Leo

OK....wont be till thursday or friday that I can pick this up. Can you confirm this comes with the monitor? Also, do you know if this takes ECC memory? Should I ask for you when i arrive or will anyone there know what i'm talking about? thanks mike --- Chuck Anderson <cra(a)WPI.EDU> wrote: > It doesn't seem that you got my response. > > It is the tower version, not the pizza box: > > http://sunsolve.sun.com/handbook_pub/Systems/Example/component.front_zoom.h… > > I don't remember if it has an OS on there, but you > can download > various Linux distros or Sun Solaris for free to > install. > > The 450 is a refrigerator sized box: > > http://sunsolve.sun.com/handbook_pub/Systems/E450/E450.html > > This is a standalone unit with the side panels and > wheels. There is > no rack and no rack mount kit with it. It plugs in > using a single > standard PC-style IEC electrical cord, but has > redundant power > supplies. > > You can pick this up during business hours 9am-5pm > at the Network > Operations Center, WPI Morgan Hall/Lower Wedge, next > to the Access > Grid where we hold the WLUG meetings. We can only > take cash. > > On Tue, Jul 19, 2005 at 07:05:05AM -0700, Mike Leo > wrote: > > not sure if you got your WPI email so: > > > > Ill take the U30 at $200. > > > > Is this it? http://www.nasi.com/sun_ultra30.php > > > > Does that come with any OS installed? > > > > The 450 is a huge small refrigerator sized box, > > correct? If so, its to big for me. If its not, > let > > me know. > > > > When/where can i pick this up? > > > > Thanks > > Mike > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

July 20, 2005

Re: [Wlug] Sun hardware for sale

by Chuck Anderson

It doesn't seem that you got my response. It is the tower version, not the pizza box: http://sunsolve.sun.com/handbook_pub/Systems/Example/component.front_zoom.h… I don't remember if it has an OS on there, but you can download various Linux distros or Sun Solaris for free to install. The 450 is a refrigerator sized box: http://sunsolve.sun.com/handbook_pub/Systems/E450/E450.html This is a standalone unit with the side panels and wheels. There is no rack and no rack mount kit with it. It plugs in using a single standard PC-style IEC electrical cord, but has redundant power supplies. You can pick this up during business hours 9am-5pm at the Network Operations Center, WPI Morgan Hall/Lower Wedge, next to the Access Grid where we hold the WLUG meetings. We can only take cash. On Tue, Jul 19, 2005 at 07:05:05AM -0700, Mike Leo wrote: > not sure if you got your WPI email so: > > Ill take the U30 at $200. > > Is this it? http://www.nasi.com/sun_ultra30.php > > Does that come with any OS installed? > > The 450 is a huge small refrigerator sized box, > correct? If so, its to big for me. If its not, let > me know. > > When/where can i pick this up? > > Thanks > Mike

July 20, 2005

OPENING Linux drivers/kernel

by John Spencer

My client in MA has a need for a Sr/Prin level Linux kernel engineer on a contract basis. Consultant will assist with the integration effort of the Linux kernel to a PowerPC-based platform, and will also assist in the development of a variety of Linux drivers, including some work with third-party drivers. Skills sought: -Embedded software development experience -'C' development -Linux driver development and integration experience -Kernel design/development experience (Linux 2.4 and 2.6) -Experience with multiprocessor systems including SMP systems -Linux development under SCM such as CVS, Subversion, BitKeeper -Experience integrating and maintaining embedded boot-loaders such as U-Boot -Board bring-up/bootstrapping experience. -Experience with embedded real-time systems in a PowerPC environment -Understanding of hardware designs -PCI/PCIx/PCIe Please send your confidential resume to jspencer(a)optimaleng.com Regards, John John Spencer (978) 256-1113 ext 108 jspencer(a)optimaleng.com OPTIMAL ENGINEERING PARTNERS "Your Optimal partner for real-time, embedded and systems development expertise" www.optimalengineering.com

July 19, 2005

Re: [Wlug] Sun hardware for sale

by Mike Leo

not sure if you got your WPI email so: Ill take the U30 at $200. Is this it? http://www.nasi.com/sun_ultra30.php Does that come with any OS installed? The 450 is a huge small refrigerator sized box, correct? If so, its to big for me. If its not, let me know. When/where can i pick this up? Thanks Mike --- Chuck Anderson <cra(a)WPI.EDU> wrote: > Since there was so much interest in the hardware we > have for sale, I > figured I'd post the list here. We have 3 U10's, 1 > U30, and 1 E450. > > Sun Enterprise 450 > 2 UltraSPARC-II 400MHz CPUs > 1024MB RAM > 2 9GB Disks (Seagate ST39103LCSUN9.0G) > 2 36GB Disks (Fujitsu MAN3367M SUN36G) > CD-ROM Drive > Sun GDM-17E20 17" CRT Monitor, attached cable with > 13W3 connector > 13W3 to VGA HD15 adapter for connection to E450. > $400 or best offer. > > Sun Ultra 30 Creator 3D > 1 UltraSPARC-II 300MHz CPU > 384MB RAM > 1 4.2GB SCSI Disk > 1 9GB SCSI Disk > CD-ROM Drive > Sun GDM-5010PT 21" CRT Monitor, 2-input selectable > (13W3 + VGA HD15) > Sun Type5 Keyboard > Sun Mouse > $200 or best offer. > > Sun Ultra 10 Creator 3D > 1 UltraSPARC-IIi 440MHz CPU > 256MB RAM > 1 9GB IDE Disk > CD-ROM Drive > Sun GDM-5410 21" CRT Monitor, 2-input selectable > (13W3 + VGA HD15) > Sun Type6 Keyboard > Sun Mouse > SunPCi AMD K6-2 400MHz PC on a stick (run Windows on > Solaris) > $200 or best offer. > > -- > Charles R. Anderson cra(a)wpi.edu > Network Engineer (508) 831-6110 > Network Operations - Morgan Hall (508) 831-6666 > Worcester Polytechnic Institute Fax (508) > 831-6669 > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

July 19, 2005

Sun hardware for sale

by Chuck Anderson

Since there was so much interest in the hardware we have for sale, I figured I'd post the list here. We have 3 U10's, 1 U30, and 1 E450. Sun Enterprise 450 2 UltraSPARC-II 400MHz CPUs 1024MB RAM 2 9GB Disks (Seagate ST39103LCSUN9.0G) 2 36GB Disks (Fujitsu MAN3367M SUN36G) CD-ROM Drive Sun GDM-17E20 17" CRT Monitor, attached cable with 13W3 connector 13W3 to VGA HD15 adapter for connection to E450. $400 or best offer. Sun Ultra 30 Creator 3D 1 UltraSPARC-II 300MHz CPU 384MB RAM 1 4.2GB SCSI Disk 1 9GB SCSI Disk CD-ROM Drive Sun GDM-5010PT 21" CRT Monitor, 2-input selectable (13W3 + VGA HD15) Sun Type5 Keyboard Sun Mouse $200 or best offer. Sun Ultra 10 Creator 3D 1 UltraSPARC-IIi 440MHz CPU 256MB RAM 1 9GB IDE Disk CD-ROM Drive Sun GDM-5410 21" CRT Monitor, 2-input selectable (13W3 + VGA HD15) Sun Type6 Keyboard Sun Mouse SunPCi AMD K6-2 400MHz PC on a stick (run Windows on Solaris) $200 or best offer. -- Charles R. Anderson cra(a)wpi.edu Network Engineer (508) 831-6110 Network Operations - Morgan Hall (508) 831-6666 Worcester Polytechnic Institute Fax (508) 831-6669

July 18, 2005

Re: [Wlug] Not enough exposure to the Sun

by Mike Leo

Thanks for all the replies...I'll look into the "Red" book. As far as hardware, can those who offered send me a price on what they have? Of course I would like the best of what you have, but nothing terribly expensive. Dual CPU if possible, but not necessary. Do Sun's take standard RAM? I beleive they are mostly SCSI, and if so, what type? UltraSCSI, SCSI 2, etc etc, as I may have drives to use. And video...standard 25pin D SVGA? Ethernet too would be important. Thanks again! Mike --- Chuck Anderson <cra(a)WPI.EDU> wrote: > We have some complete Ultra 10 systems and an Ultra > 30 if you are > interested. Real cheap. > > On Sun, Jul 17, 2005 at 05:58:36PM -0700, Mike Leo > wrote: > > I was looking to get some exposure to Solaris and > Sun > > "stuff". > > > > Anyone have suggestions or any old, but good, > Solaris > > equipment? > > > > I know nothing about Sun stuff, but I guess the > Sparc > > line is there desktop/workstation line? > > > > Any info is greatly apreciated! > > > > Mike > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > ____________________________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs

July 18, 2005

Re: [Wlug] Not enough exposure to the Sun

by Chuck Anderson

We have some complete Ultra 10 systems and an Ultra 30 if you are interested. Real cheap. On Sun, Jul 17, 2005 at 05:58:36PM -0700, Mike Leo wrote: > I was looking to get some exposure to Solaris and Sun > "stuff". > > Anyone have suggestions or any old, but good, Solaris > equipment? > > I know nothing about Sun stuff, but I guess the Sparc > line is there desktop/workstation line? > > Any info is greatly apreciated! > > Mike

July 18, 2005

Re: [Wlug] Not enough exposure to the Sun

by Robert Breznak

I have a neighbor that works for Sun. I have some decent stuff. Star Office, Solaris and other stuff.. What kind of stuff are you looking for. If you REALLY want to get into sun stuff, I might be able to get you an spark station. Bob On Jul 17, 2005, at 8:58 PM, Mike Leo wrote: > I was looking to get some exposure to Solaris and Sun > "stuff". > > Anyone have suggestions or any old, but good, Solaris > equipment? > > I know nothing about Sun stuff, but I guess the Sparc > line is there desktop/workstation line? > > Any info is greatly apreciated! > > Mike > > > > ____________________________________________________ > Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

July 18, 2005

Not enough exposure to the Sun

by Mike Leo

I was looking to get some exposure to Solaris and Sun "stuff". Anyone have suggestions or any old, but good, Solaris equipment? I know nothing about Sun stuff, but I guess the Sparc line is there desktop/workstation line? Any info is greatly apreciated! Mike ____________________________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs

July 18, 2005

Re: [Wlug] Follow up to tonights meeting

by Andy Stewart

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Mike Leo wrote: > Howdy! > > We covered a few topics tonight, including this one: HI Mike, Thanks for writing some minutes for the meeting! Andy - -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA, USA http://www.wlug.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFC2F7YHl0iXDssISsRAla2AJ9vVyv5B4ub3pYDsd1lNktLuQzZEgCfWh4J Eu5C9gJf4PA9BxWrjto7W24= =YVBS -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

July 16, 2005

Re: [Wlug] Follow up to tonights meeting

by Andy Stewart

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Mike Leo wrote: > Howdy! > > Lots of discussions around Intel and AMD as > well...hopefully we will see that pdf regarding the > lawsuit... http://www.amd.com/us-en/assets/content_type/DownloadableAssets/AMD-Intel_F… - -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA, USA http://www.wlug.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD0DBQFC1zsgHl0iXDssISsRArdhAJ4yTtOtCwyvXk3PL9nX9Yugf5GecACPaGiY Uzr0nQPdBLdcl0FCf/Gd =JO8g -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

July 15, 2005

Follow up to tonights meeting

by Mike Leo

Howdy! We covered a few topics tonight, including this one: http://news.com.com/2008-1082_3-5065859.html?tag=lh and this one: http://www.justlinux.com/forum/showthread.php?t=141352 And more discussions about gentoo vs (insert distro here). We covered some iPod things, and maybe helped someone with a perl script. I showed off my little Dell L700 laptop and enlightenment desktop manager...very lightweight and has nice eye candy, but no icons. Lots of discussions around Intel and AMD as well...hopefully we will see that pdf regarding the lawsuit... Also, I was just slashdot'ing: Linux: Unsealed SCO Email Reveals Linux Code is Clean Posted by CowboyNeal on Thursday July 14, @06:53PM from the we-tried-to-tell dept. rm69990 writes "In a recently unsealed email in the SCO vs. IBM case, it appears that an outside consultant, hired by SCO in 2002, failed to find copyright violations in the Linux Kernel. This was right around the time Darl McBride, who has before been hired by litigious companies as CEO, was hired. It appears that before SCO even began its investigation, they were hoping to find a smoking gun, not believing that Linux could possibly not contain Unix code. Apparently, they ignored the advice of this consultant." I guess thats about it! ____________________________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs

July 15, 2005

Re: [Wlug] SuSE 9.2 (x86/x86_64) needs a new home.

by Andy Stewart

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Mike Leo wrote: > Hi....www.wlug.org says the next meeting is Wednesday, > July 14th....there is no Wednesday July 14th this > year. HI Mike et al, I goofed on the webpage, and now its fixed. Thanks for the "head's up". The meeting is indeed on Thursday the 14th of July. See ya there! As a double check, click the "WLUG meetings" link near the top of the page. Then, you'll see a list of the meetings for the next several months. I don't usually make typos on *both* parts of the website. :-) Later, Andy - -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA, USA http://www.wlug.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFC1lyVHl0iXDssISsRAid9AJ9cVG7L3bwcCxtnLFi2XEdfWgX1NQCfVGM+ JlArQ8v+h11zXhHRWGDfsjg= =PHTd -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

July 14, 2005

RE: [Wlug] SuSE 9.2 (x86/x86_64) needs a new home.

by Minkov, Ross

Mike, Andy wrote to the list: > The meeting is currently scheduled for this > coming Thursday, July 14th at 7 PM. I'm planning on attending it tomorrow. -Ross -----Original Message----- From: wlug-bounces(a)mail.wlug.org [mailto:wlug-bounces@mail.wlug.org] On Behalf Of Mike Leo Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2005 9:53 PM To: Worcester Linux Users Group Subject: Re: [Wlug] SuSE 9.2 (x86/x86_64) needs a new home. Hi....www.wlug.org says the next meeting is Wednesday, July 14th....there is no Wednesday July 14th this year. One of our calendars is wrong....hope its not mine! thanks mike --- Andy Stewart <andystewart(a)comcast.net> wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Stephen C. Daukas wrote: > > I have a Technical Resource Kit (SUSE - Novell > 2004 DVDs 1A-1C) with all > > sorts of goodies. > > > > Let the bidding begin! ;-) > > What is in the Technical Resource Kit that differs > from SuSE Linux > Professional? > > Later, > > Andy > > > - -- > Andy Stewart, Founder > Worcester Linux Users' Group > Worcester, MA, USA > http://www.wlug.org > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - > http://enigmail.mozdev.org > > iD8DBQFC1ZvMHl0iXDssISsRAk+mAJ4szR6aPvLXuEPTu+fT/GDaM5iFgwCfS54S > C707mvC+jwyrVRhd58VAa7Q= > =cobp > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

July 14, 2005

Re: [Wlug] SuSE 9.2 (x86/x86_64) needs a new home.

by Mike Leo

Hi....www.wlug.org says the next meeting is Wednesday, July 14th....there is no Wednesday July 14th this year. One of our calendars is wrong....hope its not mine! thanks mike --- Andy Stewart <andystewart(a)comcast.net> wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Stephen C. Daukas wrote: > > I have a Technical Resource Kit (SUSE - Novell > 2004 DVDs 1A-1C) with all > > sorts of goodies. > > > > Let the bidding begin! ;-) > > What is in the Technical Resource Kit that differs > from SuSE Linux > Professional? > > Later, > > Andy > > > - -- > Andy Stewart, Founder > Worcester Linux Users' Group > Worcester, MA, USA > http://www.wlug.org > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - > http://enigmail.mozdev.org > > iD8DBQFC1ZvMHl0iXDssISsRAk+mAJ4szR6aPvLXuEPTu+fT/GDaM5iFgwCfS54S > C707mvC+jwyrVRhd58VAa7Q= > =cobp > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

July 14, 2005

Re: [Wlug] SuSE 9.2 (x86/x86_64) needs a new home.

by Andy Stewart

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Stephen C. Daukas wrote: > I have a Technical Resource Kit (SUSE - Novell 2004 DVDs 1A-1C) with all > sorts of goodies. > > Let the bidding begin! ;-) What is in the Technical Resource Kit that differs from SuSE Linux Professional? Later, Andy - -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA, USA http://www.wlug.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFC1ZvMHl0iXDssISsRAk+mAJ4szR6aPvLXuEPTu+fT/GDaM5iFgwCfS54S C707mvC+jwyrVRhd58VAa7Q= =cobp -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

July 13, 2005

Big LCD monitors with dual HD15 inputs?

by John Stoffel

Hi all, Anyone know of good quality LCD monitor with dual HD15 analog inputs? Something that's 19" or bigger, with a high contrast ratio and quick response time? I'm looking to reaplce some old Sun 21" monitors with dual inputs. Thanks, John

July 12, 2005

Re: [Wlug] Trolling for a meeting topic

by Stephen C. Daukas

Hi Andy! We could use the round table to talk about a well-advertised "install fest" in the fall... Steve Andy Stewart wrote: >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >Hash: SHA1 > > >Hi Everybody, > >We have a meeting coming up soon and I'm looking for somebody who has a >topic they'd like to present at the meeting. There's free pizza for you >after the meeting if you do the presentation (wow - such a deal!!). > >Here's another idea: if we had a topic where we could have a round >table discussion, that would work also. We had a meeting like this a >couple of months ago and it worked out well. The choice of topic is an >open topic for discussion. > >Let us know your thoughts. The meeting is currently scheduled for this >coming Thursday, July 14th at 7 PM. > >Thanks! > >Andy > >- -- >Andy Stewart, Founder >Worcester Linux Users' Group >Worcester, MA, USA >http://www.wlug.org > >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (GNU/Linux) >Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > >iD8DBQFC0gKTHl0iXDssISsRArVpAKCEiD+OtQwH0GKNdoniOhqhnBnW4QCeKrQ5 >ZB0rq+gdYER7hO3UGk7jY/I= >=eR7C >-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- >_______________________________________________ >Wlug mailing list >Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > >

July 12, 2005

Re: [Wlug] SuSE 9.2 (x86/x86_64) needs a new home.

by Stephen C. Daukas

I have a Technical Resource Kit (SUSE - Novell 2004 DVDs 1A-1C) with all sorts of goodies. Let the bidding begin! ;-) Mike Leo wrote: >If noone takes it by the next meeting, ill take >it...ill give you $11! > >--- douglas.r.aker(a)verizon.com wrote: > > > >> >> >>Hi Adam, >> >>I'm interested. Assuming next meeting is Wednesday >>July 20th, I could >>probably complete the transaction then. >> >>Doug >> >> >> >> >> >> >> "Adam Keck" >> >> >> <ghostis(a)mac.com> To: >> "Worcester Linux Users Group" >><wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> >> Sent by: cc: >> >> >> wlug-bounces@mail >>Subject: [Wlug] SuSE 9.2 (x86/x86_64) needs a new >>home. >> .wlug.org >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> 07/09/2005 06:38 >> >> >> PM >> >> >> Please respond to >> >> >> "Worcester Linux >> >> >> Users Group" >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>Hello All, >> >> I have a retail boxed SuSE 9.2 Professional that I >>never used. Would >>anyone like to give it a better home? $10.00 takes >>it. I can bring it >>the next meeting. >> >>-Adam >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Wlug mailing list >>Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >>http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >> >> >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Wlug mailing list >>Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >>http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >> >> >> > > > > >____________________________________________________ >Sell on Yahoo! Auctions – no fees. Bid on great items. >http://auctions.yahoo.com/ >_______________________________________________ >Wlug mailing list >Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > >

July 12, 2005

Re: [Wlug] Trolling for a meeting topic

by Robert Breznak

A good topic is always security. Security concerning the installation of 3rd party applications and what measures should be taken to ensure a secure system possibly? Just throwing ideas onto the wall. Bob On Jul 11, 2005, at 1:24 AM, Andy Stewart wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > > Hi Everybody, > > We have a meeting coming up soon and I'm looking for somebody who > has a > topic they'd like to present at the meeting. There's free pizza > for you > after the meeting if you do the presentation (wow - such a deal!!). > > Here's another idea: if we had a topic where we could have a round > table discussion, that would work also. We had a meeting like this a > couple of months ago and it worked out well. The choice of topic > is an > open topic for discussion. > > Let us know your thoughts. The meeting is currently scheduled for > this > coming Thursday, July 14th at 7 PM. > > Thanks! > > Andy > > - -- > Andy Stewart, Founder > Worcester Linux Users' Group > Worcester, MA, USA > http://www.wlug.org > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > > iD8DBQFC0gKTHl0iXDssISsRArVpAKCEiD+OtQwH0GKNdoniOhqhnBnW4QCeKrQ5 > ZB0rq+gdYER7hO3UGk7jY/I= > =eR7C > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

July 11, 2005

Re: [Wlug] SuSE 9.2 (x86/x86_64) needs a new home.

by Mike Leo

If noone takes it by the next meeting, ill take it...ill give you $11! --- douglas.r.aker(a)verizon.com wrote: > > > > > Hi Adam, > > I'm interested. Assuming next meeting is Wednesday > July 20th, I could > probably complete the transaction then. > > Doug > > > > > > > "Adam Keck" > > > <ghostis(a)mac.com> To: > "Worcester Linux Users Group" > <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> > Sent by: cc: > > > wlug-bounces@mail > Subject: [Wlug] SuSE 9.2 (x86/x86_64) needs a new > home. > .wlug.org > > > > > > > > > 07/09/2005 06:38 > > > PM > > > Please respond to > > > "Worcester Linux > > > Users Group" > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello All, > > I have a retail boxed SuSE 9.2 Professional that I > never used. Would > anyone like to give it a better home? $10.00 takes > it. I can bring it > the next meeting. > > -Adam > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > ____________________________________________________ Sell on Yahoo! Auctions no fees. Bid on great items. http://auctions.yahoo.com/

July 11, 2005

Re: [Wlug] SuSE 9.2 (x86/x86_64) needs a new home.

by douglas.r.aker＠verizon.com

Hi Adam, I'm interested. Assuming next meeting is Wednesday July 20th, I could probably complete the transaction then. Doug "Adam Keck" <ghostis(a)mac.com> To: "Worcester Linux Users Group" <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> Sent by: cc: wlug-bounces@mail Subject: [Wlug] SuSE 9.2 (x86/x86_64) needs a new home. .wlug.org 07/09/2005 06:38 PM Please respond to "Worcester Linux Users Group" Hello All, I have a retail boxed SuSE 9.2 Professional that I never used. Would anyone like to give it a better home? $10.00 takes it. I can bring it the next meeting. -Adam _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

July 11, 2005

Trolling for a meeting topic

by Andy Stewart

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi Everybody, We have a meeting coming up soon and I'm looking for somebody who has a topic they'd like to present at the meeting. There's free pizza for you after the meeting if you do the presentation (wow - such a deal!!). Here's another idea: if we had a topic where we could have a round table discussion, that would work also. We had a meeting like this a couple of months ago and it worked out well. The choice of topic is an open topic for discussion. Let us know your thoughts. The meeting is currently scheduled for this coming Thursday, July 14th at 7 PM. Thanks! Andy - -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA, USA http://www.wlug.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFC0gKTHl0iXDssISsRArVpAKCEiD+OtQwH0GKNdoniOhqhnBnW4QCeKrQ5 ZB0rq+gdYER7hO3UGk7jY/I= =eR7C -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

July 11, 2005

SuSE 9.2 (x86/x86_64) needs a new home.

by Adam Keck

Hello All, I have a retail boxed SuSE 9.2 Professional that I never used. Would anyone like to give it a better home? $10.00 takes it. I can bring it the next meeting. -Adam

July 9, 2005

Disregard last message

by Eric Martin

did a lot more searching and I just find out now that I was incorrect. V2.6of the WUSB11 uses and amtel chip. My apologies.

July 9, 2005

FC3 Wireless Question

by Eric Martin

Ok, this is to all of the Fedora / Red Hat users. I just loaded FC3 on a new machine, and the only way to get network on it is wireless. I'm trying to use a linksys wusb11 (99.9999% positive it uses the prism2 chipset) . No matter what I do, I can't get /proc/net/dev to show a wireless device. I compiled the modules myself, tried hermes modules, even tried ndiswrapper althogh I can't get that to work. any help is appreciated. Eric

July 9, 2005

CAcert.org

by Minkov, Ross

I am an assurer with CAcert.org. If anyone is interested in joining see http://www.cacert.org/ for details. Regards, Ross

July 8, 2005

Re: [Wlug] Is there a simple Unix shell command to list dates backwards?

by douglas.r.aker＠verizon.com

Thanks Theo, this is exactly what I was looking for. I actually emailed Thomas Esken (GNU gcal developer), and the best gcal example he could come up was... gcal -f/dev/null -Hno -#0*d1#999 -c-Qxld20- %20070706 But this command works only up until the beginning of any calendar year, i.e. it doesn't easily cross year boundaries like your suggestion does. FYI: I need this sort of command in order to generate charts (using XML:SVG) that display metrics from some DB2 Connect gateways that I admin. The title of one chart might be: Total Daily Connections, last 100 days. If data for any day is missing, I want the chart to reflect that. Currently, the charts I'm creating handle missing days poorly, they simply cover up gaps in the data with the next previous day's metric. Thanks again, Doug p.s. SVG is interesting: http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/ "Theo Van Dinter" <felicity(a)kluge.n To: "Worcester Linux Users Group" <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> et> cc: Sent by: Subject: Re: [Wlug] Is there a simple Unix shell command to list dates backwards? wlug-bounces@mail .wlug.org 07/05/2005 05:43 PM Please respond to "Worcester Linux Users Group" On Tue, Jul 05, 2005 at 05:23:24PM -0400, douglas.r.aker(a)verizon.com wrote: > I'm looking for a standard Unix shell command that can list an arbitrary > number of day dates backwards from today. For example, something like > this: > > $ unixcommand -7 > Tuesday July 5 2005 > Monday July 4 2005 > Sunday July 3 2005 [...] > Command must transit months, years, leap-years, etc. Nothing comes to mind, but I'd do something like: $ perl -e 'for($i=0;$i<=$ARGV[0];$i++){ print scalar(localtime(time-86400*$i)),"\n"; }' 7 Tue Jul 5 17:31:35 2005 Mon Jul 4 17:31:35 2005 Sun Jul 3 17:31:35 2005 [...] Or if you need that other specific format: #!/usr/bin/perl my @mon = qw/January February March April May June July August September October November December/; my @day = qw/Sunday Monday Tuesday Wednesday Thursday Friday Saturday/; my $time = time; my $count = $ARGV[0]; while($count--) { my @lt = localtime($time); print join(" ", $day[$lt[6]], $mon[$lt[4]], $lt[3], 1900+$lt[5]),"\n"; $time -= 86400; } $ perl script 7 Tuesday July 5 2005 Monday July 4 2005 Sunday July 3 2005 [...] -- Randomly Generated Tagline: "I love deadlines. I like the whooshing sound they make as they fly by." - Douglas Adams _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug #### C.DTF has been removed from this note on July 06 2005 by Doug Aker

July 6, 2005

Re: [Wlug] Is there a simple Unix shell command to list dates backwards?

by Robert Breznak

I can't offer any help, but I am curious what you are doing. Thanks, Bob On Jul 5, 2005, at 5:23 PM, douglas.r.aker(a)verizon.com wrote: > > > > > I'm looking for a standard Unix shell command that can list an > arbitrary > number of day dates backwards from today. For example, something like > this: > > $ unixcommand -7 > Tuesday July 5 2005 > Monday July 4 2005 > Sunday July 3 2005 > Saturday July 2 2005 > Friday July 1 2005 > Thursday June 30 2005 > Wednesday June 29 2005 > > Command must transit months, years, leap-years, etc. > > Does gcal, or any other Unix command, have this capability? > > Thanks, > Doug > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

July 5, 2005

Re: [Wlug] Is there a simple Unix shell command to list dates backwards?

by Theo Van Dinter

On Tue, Jul 05, 2005 at 05:23:24PM -0400, douglas.r.aker(a)verizon.com wrote: > I'm looking for a standard Unix shell command that can list an arbitrary > number of day dates backwards from today. For example, something like > this: > > $ unixcommand -7 > Tuesday July 5 2005 > Monday July 4 2005 > Sunday July 3 2005 [...] > Command must transit months, years, leap-years, etc. Nothing comes to mind, but I'd do something like: $ perl -e 'for($i=0;$i<=$ARGV[0];$i++){ print scalar(localtime(time-86400*$i)),"\n"; }' 7 Tue Jul 5 17:31:35 2005 Mon Jul 4 17:31:35 2005 Sun Jul 3 17:31:35 2005 [...] Or if you need that other specific format: #!/usr/bin/perl my @mon = qw/January February March April May June July August September October November December/; my @day = qw/Sunday Monday Tuesday Wednesday Thursday Friday Saturday/; my $time = time; my $count = $ARGV[0]; while($count--) { my @lt = localtime($time); print join(" ", $day[$lt[6]], $mon[$lt[4]], $lt[3], 1900+$lt[5]),"\n"; $time -= 86400; } $ perl script 7 Tuesday July 5 2005 Monday July 4 2005 Sunday July 3 2005 [...] -- Randomly Generated Tagline: "I love deadlines. I like the whooshing sound they make as they fly by." - Douglas Adams

July 5, 2005

Is there a simple Unix shell command to list dates backwards?

by douglas.r.aker＠verizon.com

I'm looking for a standard Unix shell command that can list an arbitrary number of day dates backwards from today. For example, something like this: $ unixcommand -7 Tuesday July 5 2005 Monday July 4 2005 Sunday July 3 2005 Saturday July 2 2005 Friday July 1 2005 Thursday June 30 2005 Wednesday June 29 2005 Command must transit months, years, leap-years, etc. Does gcal, or any other Unix command, have this capability? Thanks, Doug

July 5, 2005

Re: [Wlug] Are any of us involved in a freshmeat project?

by Robert L Krawitz

Date: Fri, 01 Jul 2005 13:47:36 -0400 From: Andy Stewart <andystewart(a)comcast.net> Freshmeat and Sourceforge are places which host projects. They provide disk space for project files, mailing lists, and a project web page. As you've noted, there are innumerable projects of myriad varieties. Freshmeat just provides listing services (unless things have changed recently). Sourceforge provides hosting. A few years ago, I participated by writing a users' guide for a project called Gimp-Print (now being renamed to Gutenprint). I liked using the software but noted that it lacked documentation for the user. I also knew the project lead since we were employed by the same company. I wrote the users' guide and contributed it to the project using the GNU Free Documentation License. At that time, my proverbial itch was thus scratched. I still like and use the software frequently, but alas I have not had time to properly update the manual. You would be more than welcome to return if you like :-) -- Robert Krawitz <rlk(a)alum.mit.edu> Tall Clubs International -- http://www.tall.org/ or 1-888-IM-TALL-2 Member of the League for Programming Freedom -- mail lpf(a)uunet.uu.net Project lead for Gimp Print -- http://gimp-print.sourceforge.net "Linux doesn't dictate how I work, I dictate how Linux works." --Eric Crampton

July 1, 2005

Re: [Wlug] Are any of us involved in a freshmeat project?

by Robert Breznak

In the Linux community, there are tons of way to help out. It all depends on your expertise and your interests. If you are interested in web based projects, you might want to check out any of the PHP projects. Although they are not usually directly related to *nix, they use the same licensing and run on the common LAMP setup. One way to improve the *nix community is to write documentation. As I am a big fan of FreeBSD I occasionally write tutorials on install and setup of common applications, packages, etc. Bob Breznak On Jul 1, 2005, at 1:47 PM, Andy Stewart wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Ken Jones wrote: > >> I am interested in contributing to the LINUX effort. When I go to >> <http://freshmeat.net/browse/18/> and am overwhelmed by the >> choices and >> by the lingo. Are any us WLUG folks involved in any of these? I >> know >> our tastes and skills may not match. I may not be able to directly >> contribute, but it would feel good to get an insight into the >> workings >> and the process. >> >> Ken Jones >> _______________________________________________ >> Wlug mailing list >> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >> >> > > HI Ken, > > Freshmeat and Sourceforge are places which host projects. They > provide > disk space for project files, mailing lists, and a project web > page. As > you've noted, there are innumerable projects of myriad varieties. > > A few years ago, I participated by writing a users' guide for a > project > called Gimp-Print (now being renamed to Gutenprint). I liked using > the > software but noted that it lacked documentation for the user. I also > knew the project lead since we were employed by the same company. I > wrote the users' guide and contributed it to the project using the GNU > Free Documentation License. At that time, my proverbial itch was thus > scratched. I still like and use the software frequently, but alas I > have not had time to properly update the manual. > > What suits your fancy? Is there some program which you'd like to > write > and contribute to the community? It need not be anything grandiose - > often simpler is better. Part of the Unix philosophy is to do one > thing, and to do it *very* well. Or, perhaps there is a piece of > software you like to use which needs help with the documentation. > Writing good bug reports also helps a project. > > Yet another way to contribute to Linux is to teach others about Linux. > I teach an adult education class twice yearly. I know of one other > WLUG > member who also does this. > > Depending on your time, talents, and interest, there are many ways to > contribute. What do you think you would *like* to do? > > Later, > > Andy > > - -- > Andy Stewart, Founder > Worcester Linux Users' Group > Worcester, MA, USA > http://www.wlug.org > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > > iD8DBQFCxYG4Hl0iXDssISsRAqmyAJ0WZ/4JaF0T4WZkFrfwWnXm4bHBjwCfdh26 > GXBAg1b1rYE8okey8BqFH8s= > =tMZm > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

July 1, 2005

Re: [Wlug] Are any of us involved in a freshmeat project?

by Andy Stewart

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Ken Jones wrote: > I am interested in contributing to the LINUX effort. When I go to > <http://freshmeat.net/browse/18/> and am overwhelmed by the choices and > by the lingo. Are any us WLUG folks involved in any of these? I know > our tastes and skills may not match. I may not be able to directly > contribute, but it would feel good to get an insight into the workings > and the process. > > Ken Jones > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > HI Ken, Freshmeat and Sourceforge are places which host projects. They provide disk space for project files, mailing lists, and a project web page. As you've noted, there are innumerable projects of myriad varieties. A few years ago, I participated by writing a users' guide for a project called Gimp-Print (now being renamed to Gutenprint). I liked using the software but noted that it lacked documentation for the user. I also knew the project lead since we were employed by the same company. I wrote the users' guide and contributed it to the project using the GNU Free Documentation License. At that time, my proverbial itch was thus scratched. I still like and use the software frequently, but alas I have not had time to properly update the manual. What suits your fancy? Is there some program which you'd like to write and contribute to the community? It need not be anything grandiose - often simpler is better. Part of the Unix philosophy is to do one thing, and to do it *very* well. Or, perhaps there is a piece of software you like to use which needs help with the documentation. Writing good bug reports also helps a project. Yet another way to contribute to Linux is to teach others about Linux. I teach an adult education class twice yearly. I know of one other WLUG member who also does this. Depending on your time, talents, and interest, there are many ways to contribute. What do you think you would *like* to do? Later, Andy - -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA, USA http://www.wlug.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFCxYG4Hl0iXDssISsRAqmyAJ0WZ/4JaF0T4WZkFrfwWnXm4bHBjwCfdh26 GXBAg1b1rYE8okey8BqFH8s= =tMZm -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

July 1, 2005

Are any of us involved in a freshmeat project?

by Ken Jones

I am interested in contributing to the LINUX effort. When I go to <http://freshmeat.net/browse/18/> and am overwhelmed by the choices and by the lingo. Are any us WLUG folks involved in any of these? I know our tastes and skills may not match. I may not be able to directly contribute, but it would feel good to get an insight into the workings and the process. Ken Jones

July 1, 2005

Re: [Wlug] Moving boot drive from hdb to hda

by Michael Long

> At first glance I would say it's probably /etc/fstab. > Thanks for pointing this out. Another quick edit and all is working now. -mike

June 29, 2005

Re: [Wlug] Moving boot drive from hdb to hda

by Andrew Mellors

At first glance I would say it's probably /etc/fstab. -Andy On 6/28/05, Michael Long <mlong(a)datalong.com> wrote: > I am in the process of recovering my system from a bad drive and have almost > succeeded. My system had 2 drives both were very similar in that they each had a > version of linux installed with a swap partition and primary partition. The hda > drive died in a way that made the mbr unavailable. I switch the drives making hdb > hda. I then booted into a rescue mode (Suse) and modified the /boot/grub/menu.lst > file and replaced the references for hdb with hda. It now reads > > kernel (hd0,1)/boot/vmlinuz root=/dev/hda2 vga=0x31a splash=silent desktop > resume=/dev/hda1 showopts > initrd (hd0,1)/boot/initrd > > I also modified the /boot/grub/device.map file. Upon rebooting the system it comes > up allows me to choose at the grub menu and proceeds to boot. The boot messages > are: > > Checking root file system... > fsck 1.34 (25-Jul-2003) > Failed to open the device '/dev/hdb2': No such device or address > Warning... fsck.reiserfs for device /dev/hdb2 exited with signal 6. > < more messages > > file system is currently mounted read-only. > > The correct file system is mounted and I can remount it as read-write. There > appears to be another reference to hdb2 somewhere. Any ideas how to fix this? > > Thanks, > Mike > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > -- -Andy

June 29, 2005

Moving boot drive from hdb to hda

by Michael Long

I am in the process of recovering my system from a bad drive and have almost succeeded. My system had 2 drives both were very similar in that they each had a version of linux installed with a swap partition and primary partition. The hda drive died in a way that made the mbr unavailable. I switch the drives making hdb hda. I then booted into a rescue mode (Suse) and modified the /boot/grub/menu.lst file and replaced the references for hdb with hda. It now reads kernel (hd0,1)/boot/vmlinuz root=/dev/hda2 vga=0x31a splash=silent desktop resume=/dev/hda1 showopts initrd (hd0,1)/boot/initrd I also modified the /boot/grub/device.map file. Upon rebooting the system it comes up allows me to choose at the grub menu and proceeds to boot. The boot messages are: Checking root file system... fsck 1.34 (25-Jul-2003) Failed to open the device '/dev/hdb2': No such device or address Warning... fsck.reiserfs for device /dev/hdb2 exited with signal 6. < more messages > file system is currently mounted read-only. The correct file system is mounted and I can remount it as read-write. There appears to be another reference to hdb2 somewhere. Any ideas how to fix this? Thanks, Mike

June 29, 2005

Re: [Wlug] ldifde for linux?

by Matt Higgins

This may be a little late but you can use perl to do this the Net::LDAPS module will make secure connections and just use the Net::LDAP::Entry object to insert you data from linux to windows. On 4/20/05, Justin Odom <jodom(a)wpi.edu> wrote: > I want to keep windows and linux accounts seperate(as far as > authentication) but keep the same password. > > I have a solution now which produces the ldf files on linux > > Since this will include passwords being transfered, it MUST be secure ldap. > > Thanks, > > Justin > > Jared Greenwald wrote: > > Why not just use ldap as your login authentication on linux? It can > > work similarly to nis. This sounds like active directory stuff... > > > > -Jared > > > > On 4/20/05, Justin Odom <jodom(a)wpi.edu> wrote: > > > >>Figured I'd throw this out there. > >> > >>I am working on a project that requires me to push .ldf files from a > >>linux server to a window 2003 server. Basically creating the same > >>accounts on the linux system onto the windows system. > >> > >>Does anyone know of linux program that is equivalent of the windows > >>"ldifde" program? It needs to be able to create a secure connection with > >>ldaps. > >> > >>Thanks in advance, > >> > >>-- > >>Justin Odom > >> > >>_______________________________________________ > >>Wlug mailing list > >>Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > >>http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > >> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wlug mailing list > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > -- > Justin Odom > ECE Systems Administrator > jodom(a)wpi.edu > Worcester Polytechnic Institute > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

June 29, 2005

Re: [Wlug] HOWTO debug hard lockups

by Andy Stewart

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Andy Stewart wrote: > > HI everybody, > > Perhaps I have found some light in this tunnel. > > I upgraded to the 2.6.12 kernel (yeah, I know, that just changed the > entire experiment) and turned off "CPU freq scaling" and "PCI hotplug > support" since I didn't think I needed either of those. I built the > 2.6.12 kernel and played beer_golf 5 times in a row and the system DID > NOT lockup. I'm not sure why those features were enabled in the first > place. (I should probably go back to 2.6.11.11 and disable these two > features and see if that has any positive effect.) > > I'm far too much of a pessimist to claim victory, but perhaps my luck is > turning for the better. My fingers are still crossed. I am (extremely) > cautiously optimistic. > > I thought I'd mention this in case somebody reads this thread in the > future and maybe, just maybe, this tidbit helps. Besides, I've read a > lot of threads where the problem is described in detail, but the answer > is never forthcoming(!). > > Later, > > Andy > > Hi Everybody, I went back to the 2.6.11.11 kernel and turned off the "CPU freq scaling" and "PCI hotplug support", but it didn't matter, as this kernel still locks up on me very quickly with the beer_golf.swf game (a copy of which I've saved as a diagnostic for future kernels to which I might upgrade - a *long* time from now). I am therefore concluding that something in 2.6.12 has fixed this problem since I have not yet locked up this kernel (under any conditions). I did notice several K8 and AMD64 specific notes in the CHANGELOG for this kernel. Thanks again(!!) for all of your helpful suggestions. Andy - -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA, USA http://www.wlug.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFCwMEEHl0iXDssISsRAsRgAJ0ZDt/dlQrN+t1KRvgoBoC97yhcmgCfT7Vo 31dPPiB3sSKrDsx/FjhHYzs= =7kuI -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

June 28, 2005

[Fwd: LUG Leaders -- your most recent book shipment from AW/PHPTR]

by Andy Stewart

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi Everybody, Please note that the books which I've been raffling at WLUG meetings for the last few months have come from Addison-Wesley publishing. Here is more information from the publisher, including the URL where you can submit your review of any of these books, and information on how to receive a LUG discount on future purchases. I did receive two of their "SPRING INTO" series books, and they will be raffled at a future WLUG meeting. Many thanks to this publisher for supplying us with books to review! Happy Reading, Andy - -------- Original Message -------- Subject: LUG Leaders -- your most recent book shipment from AW/PHPTR Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 19:30:09 -0500 From: Heather.Fox(a)pearsoned.com To: andystewart(a)COMCAST.NET Hello Linux User Group Leaders: Please be advised that you will soon receive a June, 2005, book shipment from Publisher Addison-Wesley Professional http://www.awprofessional.com containing review copies of two flagship books from our newest book series, titled the SPRING INTO Series. Also, read below for details on how you and your UG members can receive a 35% discount off list price [inc. FREE shipping via UPS Ground when shipping within the U.S.] for any Addison-Wesley or Prentice Hall PTR book. The review copy titles you will receive are: 1)"Spring Into Linux" by Janet Valade: http://www.awprofessional.com/title/0131853546; 2) "Spring Into Technical Writing" by Barry Rosenberg: http://www.awprofessional.com/title/0131498630. These titles are from the new Addison-Wesley SPRING INTO Series: http://www.awprofessional.com/springinto. ************************************************************ PLEASE ASK YOUR MEMBERS TO SUBMIT REVIEWS FOR THESE BOOKS DIRECTLY ONLINE! Introducing the new Addison-Wesley REVIEWS LINK. Now you can ask your LUG members to easily and directly submit reviews of the books, which they borrow and/or "win" at your User Group meetings. Simply click the link below, and REVIEW AWAY! http://www.awprofessional.com/reviews ************************************************************ SPECIAL DISCOUNT COUPON FOR LUG MEMBERS FOR ANY BOOK FROM ADDISON-WESLEY/ PRENTICE HALL PTR: Step 1: visit http://www.awprofessional.com or http://www.phptr.com and add desired books to "shopping cart" Step 2: Proceed to checkout Step 3: Enter billing and shipping address [if different from billing address] Step 4: Choose a shipping method [UPS Ground is *FREE* within the U.S.!] Step 5: TO OBTAIN YOUR 35% DISCOUNT, enter the coupon code: LUG [case-sensitive], during "Checkout". Step 6: Coupon expires August 1, 2005. ************************************************************ If you have any questions, please don't hesitate to contact me. Happy Reading! Sincerely, User Group Liaison Heather Fox - -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA, USA http://www.wlug.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFCvGp+Hl0iXDssISsRAgGoAJ9TMEv417KQE9oZkDNrO9X5Rb6r2ACgiJkl 6P/NYq5sD/4ZTmKbHShWlIc= =I9cI -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

June 24, 2005

[Fwd: An Invitation for a Free Webcast: Rocks Cluster and Object Storag e]

by Andy Stewart

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 - -------- Original Message -------- Subject: An Invitation for a Free Webcast: Rocks Cluster and Object Storag e Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 17:00:02 -0700 From: Ortiz, Monica <mortiz(a)panasas.com> To: 'andystewart(a)comcast.net' <andystewart(a)comcast.net> June 23, 2005 Dear Mr. Stewart: Panasas invites you and Worcester LUG members to attend a complimentary, online seminar that describes how Stanford University's Institute for Computational and Mathematical Engineering (ICME) achieved exceptional performance and maximum utilization with its Linux cluster. In particular, the seminar will provide details on how the Institute combined Rocks software with an object-based storage system to increase the productivity of its cluster. Rocks Clusters and Object Storage Wednesday, June 29, 2005, 11:00 AM PDT http://panasasevents.webex.com Researchers at ICME use HPC as part of a comprehensive research program. These systems are used to better predict flutter and limit cycle oscillations for modern aircraft, to better understand the impact of turbulent flow on jet engines, and to develop computational methodologies that can facilitate the design of naval systems with lower signature levels. This research can lead to improvements in the performance and safety of aircraft, reduction of engine noise, which will improve the quality of life for people living near airports, and new underwater navigation systems. To accomplish this, ICME needed a cluster to tackle large-scale simulations of flow/structure interaction, aeroacoustic, and elasto-acoustic scattering problems. Join us in discussing how ICME utilized the 164-node Nivation Linux cluster and object-based storage to create a system that is scalable, easy to integrate and manage, and delivers extremely high bandwidth and random I/O. Register for this informative online seminar to: * Hear the challenges ICME faced in building a cluster capable of handling complex mathematical simulations * Learn how object storage systems, like those of Panasas, break I/O bottlenecks hindering cluster performance * Hear Steve Jones' personal experience in managing large-scale Rock clusters and the integration of the Panasas ActiveScale Storage Cluster Highlighted Speakers Steve Jones, Technology Operations Manager, Institute for Computational and Mathematical Engineering, Stanford University Larry Jones, Vice President of Product Marketing, Panasas Register Online Today! There are no fees for this event. To register, just point your browser to: http://panasasevents.webex.com Please let me know if you have any questions or trouble registering for this event. Monica Ortiz Events Coordinator Panasas, Inc. - -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA, USA http://www.wlug.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFCvGlzHl0iXDssISsRAjpEAJ9Vox3a4mALakBkB5lJB3cOR8fsVACfWnnF wKIi2NjUxHELanh2dfT4z84= =wP7M -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

June 24, 2005

Re: [Wlug] HOWTO debug hard lockups

by Andy Stewart

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Andy Stewart wrote: > > HI Jeff, > > If I do an alt-sysrq-h, I get the one line help on the serial console. > If I do alt-sysrq-m to show memory, I see "SysRq : Show Memory" ont the > serial console, but nothing more (unless I use Eric's trick). If I go > to runlevel 1, alt-sysrq-m has the entire output on the serial console. > > Later, > > Andy HI Everybody, The problem of the serial console not responding as I expected has been solved. It turns out that on my system, in /etc/sysconfig/syslog, the loglevel is set to 1. If it is set to 8, then all of the kernel messages will come out on the serial console. I set this with the MagicSysReq key and now it works as I expect. Many thanks to Jeff Moyer for his help with this problem. Later, Andy > > > > -- > Andy Stewart, Founder > Worcester Linux Users' Group > Worcester, MA, USA > http://www.wlug.org > _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug - -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA, USA http://www.wlug.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFCugdJHl0iXDssISsRAq7FAJ9c93PzhdT2YAahG50wHRTKCkTOtgCeOCox ahEmSJk/eDlUH7JwXHZDiBE= =Q8ta -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

June 23, 2005

Re: [Wlug] HOWTO debug hard lockups

by Jeff Moyer

==> Regarding Re: [Wlug] HOWTO debug hard lockups; Eric Martin <freak4uxxx(a)gmail.com> adds: freak4uxxx> Right, I forgot about that jeff. If you're running syslog-ng, freak4uxxx> you can go into /etc/syslog-ng/syslog-ng.conf and add a line: freak4uxxx> destination console_all { ("/dev/ttyS01"); }; freak4uxxx> although, I'm not sure if you're locking up if syslog-ng will freak4uxxx> keep scrolling. I don't know if netcat (nc) will either... syslog-ng is user space. The kernel should do all of its console writes itself. Your suggestion does not help in the hung system case. Netcat, used as I described (on the system that is receiving messages), is fine. The kernel is outputting the log messages over the network via the netpoll infrastructure. That infrastructure can function even when the system is not servicing interrupts. -Jeff freak4uxxx> On 6/21/05, Jeff Moyer <jmoyer(a)redhat.com> wrote: >> ==> Regarding Re: [Wlug] HOWTO debug hard lockups; Andy Stewart < >> andystewart(a)comcast.net> adds: >> andystewart> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 >> andystewart> Jeff Moyer wrote: >> >> ==> Regarding Re: [Wlug] HOWTO debug hard lockups; Andy Stewart >> >> <andystewart(a)comcast.net> adds: >> >> andystewart> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 >> >> andystewart> Eric Martin wrote: >> >>>> In reguards to seeing messages on minicom, what logger do you have >> >>>> installed? Can you just shovel kernel messages over to ttyS01? eg >> >>>> sudo tailf /var/log/kernel ttyS01 >> >> andystewart> I did that per your suggestion and it works just fine. >> >> Umm, it works just fine so long as the system is up and running. You >> >> really want the kernel to be printing directly to the console. >> >> Otherwise, when the system locks up and the NMI fires, you still won't >> >> get your messages over the serial console. >> >> >> >> Andy, it looked to me like you had things configured >> properly. Indeed, >> I use a very similar setup all of the time. The >> only difference is it >> works for me. (I hate that phrase). >> >> >> >> I'm not sure what to suggest at this point. If you do an alt-sysrq-h, >> >> does that at least print out over the serial console? >> >> >> >> -Jeff >> >> >> andystewart> HI Jeff, >> andystewart> If I do an alt-sysrq-h, I get the one line help on the serial andystewart> console. If I do alt-sysrq-m to show memory, I see "SysRq : andystewart> Show Memory" ont the serial console, but nothing more (unless andystewart> I use Eric's trick). If I go to runlevel 1, alt-sysrq-m has andystewart> the entire output on the serial console. >> You have all of the luck. How about trying netconsole? It's easy enough >> to setup. On the host which will receive the logs, do something like >> this: >> >> nc -u -l -p 6666 >> >> On the problematic system, load the netconsole module: >> >> modprobe netconsole >> netconsole=@<ip-of-this-machine>/<ethX>,6666@<ip-of-server>/<MAC-address-of-server> >> >> >> You can try this or not, depending on whether you still experience >> crashes. It sounds like the latest kernel fixed things right up for you, >> right? >> >> Oh well, good to have in your bag of tricks, I guess. >> >> -Jeff _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list >> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >> freak4uxxx> Right, I forgot about that jeff.  If you're running freak4uxxx> syslog-ng, you can go into /etc/syslog-ng/syslog-ng.conf and freak4uxxx> add a line: <div style="margin-left: 40px;"> style="font-style: italic;">destination console_all {  freak4uxxx> ("/dev/ttyS01"); }; </div> although, freak4uxxx> I'm not sure if you're locking up if syslog-ng will keep freak4uxxx> scrolling.  I don't know if netcat (nc) will freak4uxxx> either... style="font-style: italic;"> <div> class="gmail_quote">On 6/21/05, class="gmail_sendername">Jeff Moyer <<a freak4uxxx> href="mailto:jmoyer@redhat.com">jmoyer(a)redhat.com</a>> freak4uxxx> wrote:<blockquote class="gmail_quote" freak4uxxx> style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt freak4uxxx> 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"> ==> Regarding Re: [Wlug] freak4uxxx> HOWTO debug hard lockups; Andy Stewart <<a freak4uxxx> href="mailto:andystewart@comcast.net">andystewart(a)comcast.net</a>> freak4uxxx> adds: andystewart> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- freak4uxxx> Hash: SHA1 andystewart> Jeff Moyer freak4uxxx> wrote: >> ==> Regarding Re: [Wlug] HOWTO debug hard freak4uxxx> lockups; Andy Stewart >> <<a freak4uxxx> href="mailto:andystewart@comcast.net">andystewart(a)comcast.net</a>> freak4uxxx> adds: >> andystewart> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED freak4uxxx> MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 >> andystewart> Eric freak4uxxx> Martin wrote: >>>> In reguards to seeing freak4uxxx> messages on minicom, what logger do you freak4uxxx> have >>>> installed?  Can you just freak4uxxx> shovel kernel messages over to ttyS01?  eg freak4uxxx> >>>> sudo tailf /var/log/kernel freak4uxxx> ttyS01 >> andystewart> I did that per your freak4uxxx> suggestion and it works just fine. >> Umm, it works freak4uxxx> just fine so long as the system is up and freak4uxxx> running.  You >> really want the kernel to freak4uxxx> be printing directly to the console. >> Otherwise, freak4uxxx> when the system locks up and the NMI fires, you still freak4uxxx> won't >> get your messages over the serial freak4uxxx> console. >> >> Andy, it looked to me like freak4uxxx> you had things configured freak4uxxx> properly.  Indeed, >> I use a very similar freak4uxxx> setup all of the time.  The only difference is freak4uxxx> it >> works for me.  (I hate that freak4uxxx> phrase). >> >> I'm not sure what to suggest freak4uxxx> at this point.  If you do an alt-sysrq-h, >> freak4uxxx> does that at least print out over the serial freak4uxxx> console? >> >> freak4uxxx> -Jeff >> andystewart> HI Jeff, freak4uxxx> andystewart> If I do an alt-sysrq-h, I get the one freak4uxxx> line help on the serial andystewart> freak4uxxx> console.  If I do alt-sysrq-m to show memory, I see freak4uxxx> "SysRq : andystewart> Show Memory" ont the freak4uxxx> serial console, but nothing more (unless andystewart> I freak4uxxx> use Eric's trick).  If I go to runlevel 1, freak4uxxx> alt-sysrq-m has andystewart> the entire output on the freak4uxxx> serial console. You have all of the luck.  How freak4uxxx> about trying netconsole?  It's easy enough to freak4uxxx> setup.  On the host which will receive the logs, do freak4uxxx> something like this: nc -u -l -p 6666 On the freak4uxxx> problematic system, load the netconsole module: modprobe freak4uxxx> netconsole freak4uxxx> netconsole=@<ip-of-this-machine>/<ethX>,6666@<ip-of-server>/<MAC-address-of-server> freak4uxxx> You can try this or not, depending on whether you freak4uxxx> still experience crashes.  It sounds like the freak4uxxx> latest kernel fixed things right up for freak4uxxx> you, right? Oh well, good to have in your bag of freak4uxxx> tricks, I guess. freak4uxxx> -Jeff _______________________________________________ Wlug freak4uxxx> mailing list <a freak4uxxx> href="mailto:Wlug@mail.wlug.org">Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org</a> <a freak4uxxx> href="http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug">http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug freak4uxxx> </a> </blockquote></div>

June 22, 2005

Re: [Wlug] HOWTO debug hard lockups

by Eric Martin

Right, I forgot about that jeff. If you're running syslog-ng, you can go into /etc/syslog-ng/syslog-ng.conf and add a line: destination console_all { ("/dev/ttyS01"); }; although, I'm not sure if you're locking up if syslog-ng will keep scrolling. I don't know if netcat (nc) will either... On 6/21/05, Jeff Moyer <jmoyer(a)redhat.com> wrote: > > ==> Regarding Re: [Wlug] HOWTO debug hard lockups; Andy Stewart < > andystewart(a)comcast.net> adds: > > andystewart> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 > > andystewart> Jeff Moyer wrote: > >> ==> Regarding Re: [Wlug] HOWTO debug hard lockups; Andy Stewart > >> <andystewart(a)comcast.net> adds: > >> > andystewart> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 > >> > andystewart> Eric Martin wrote: > >>>> In reguards to seeing messages on minicom, what logger do you have > >>>> installed? Can you just shovel kernel messages over to ttyS01? eg > >>>> sudo tailf /var/log/kernel ttyS01 > >> > andystewart> I did that per your suggestion and it works just fine. > >> Umm, it works just fine so long as the system is up and running. You > >> really want the kernel to be printing directly to the console. > >> Otherwise, when the system locks up and the NMI fires, you still won't > >> get your messages over the serial console. > >> > >> Andy, it looked to me like you had things configured properly. Indeed, > >> I use a very similar setup all of the time. The only difference is it > >> works for me. (I hate that phrase). > >> > >> I'm not sure what to suggest at this point. If you do an alt-sysrq-h, > >> does that at least print out over the serial console? > >> > >> -Jeff > >> > > andystewart> HI Jeff, > > andystewart> If I do an alt-sysrq-h, I get the one line help on the serial > andystewart> console. If I do alt-sysrq-m to show memory, I see "SysRq : > andystewart> Show Memory" ont the serial console, but nothing more (unless > andystewart> I use Eric's trick). If I go to runlevel 1, alt-sysrq-m has > andystewart> the entire output on the serial console. > > You have all of the luck. How about trying netconsole? It's easy enough > to setup. On the host which will receive the logs, do something like this: > > nc -u -l -p 6666 > > On the problematic system, load the netconsole module: > > modprobe netconsole > netconsole=@<ip-of-this-machine>/<ethX>,6666@<ip-of-server>/<MAC-address-of-server> > > > You can try this or not, depending on whether you still experience > crashes. It sounds like the latest kernel fixed things right up for you, > right? > > Oh well, good to have in your bag of tricks, I guess. > > -Jeff > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

June 22, 2005

Re: [Wlug] HOWTO debug hard lockups

by Jeff Moyer

==> Regarding Re: [Wlug] HOWTO debug hard lockups; Andy Stewart <andystewart(a)comcast.net> adds: andystewart> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 andystewart> Jeff Moyer wrote: >> ==> Regarding Re: [Wlug] HOWTO debug hard lockups; Andy Stewart >> <andystewart(a)comcast.net> adds: >> andystewart> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 >> andystewart> Eric Martin wrote: >>>> In reguards to seeing messages on minicom, what logger do you have >>>> installed? Can you just shovel kernel messages over to ttyS01? eg >>>> sudo tailf /var/log/kernel ttyS01 >> andystewart> I did that per your suggestion and it works just fine. >> Umm, it works just fine so long as the system is up and running. You >> really want the kernel to be printing directly to the console. >> Otherwise, when the system locks up and the NMI fires, you still won't >> get your messages over the serial console. >> >> Andy, it looked to me like you had things configured properly. Indeed, >> I use a very similar setup all of the time. The only difference is it >> works for me. (I hate that phrase). >> >> I'm not sure what to suggest at this point. If you do an alt-sysrq-h, >> does that at least print out over the serial console? >> >> -Jeff >> andystewart> HI Jeff, andystewart> If I do an alt-sysrq-h, I get the one line help on the serial andystewart> console. If I do alt-sysrq-m to show memory, I see "SysRq : andystewart> Show Memory" ont the serial console, but nothing more (unless andystewart> I use Eric's trick). If I go to runlevel 1, alt-sysrq-m has andystewart> the entire output on the serial console. You have all of the luck. How about trying netconsole? It's easy enough to setup. On the host which will receive the logs, do something like this: nc -u -l -p 6666 On the problematic system, load the netconsole module: modprobe netconsole netconsole=@<ip-of-this-machine>/<ethX>,6666@<ip-of-server>/<MAC-address-of-server> You can try this or not, depending on whether you still experience crashes. It sounds like the latest kernel fixed things right up for you, right? Oh well, good to have in your bag of tricks, I guess. -Jeff

June 21, 2005

Re: [Wlug] HOWTO debug hard lockups

by Andy Stewart

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Jeff Moyer wrote: > ==> Regarding Re: [Wlug] HOWTO debug hard lockups; Andy Stewart <andystewart(a)comcast.net> adds: > > andystewart> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 > > andystewart> Eric Martin wrote: >>>In reguards to seeing messages on minicom, what logger do you have >>>installed? Can you just shovel kernel messages over to ttyS01? eg sudo >>>tailf /var/log/kernel ttyS01 > > andystewart> I did that per your suggestion and it works just fine. > > Umm, it works just fine so long as the system is up and running. You > really want the kernel to be printing directly to the console. Otherwise, > when the system locks up and the NMI fires, you still won't get your > messages over the serial console. > > Andy, it looked to me like you had things configured properly. Indeed, I > use a very similar setup all of the time. The only difference is it works > for me. (I hate that phrase). > > I'm not sure what to suggest at this point. If you do an alt-sysrq-h, does > that at least print out over the serial console? > > -Jeff > HI Jeff, If I do an alt-sysrq-h, I get the one line help on the serial console. If I do alt-sysrq-m to show memory, I see "SysRq : Show Memory" ont the serial console, but nothing more (unless I use Eric's trick). If I go to runlevel 1, alt-sysrq-m has the entire output on the serial console. Later, Andy - -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA, USA http://www.wlug.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFCuI64Hl0iXDssISsRAgYoAJwO2tnZkw6ox+URA61Lh16lyUhE4wCeOedC wQJZTh9CV8pUFPfEHkDYjw8= =H2Yg -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

June 21, 2005

Yellow Dog Linux

by Stephen Ketcham

I've just set up my Mac G4 Powerbook to boot Yellow Dog Linux 4.0.1. (It dual boots, so it also runs Mac OS X.) is there anybody else on the list running Yellow Dog? Thanks, Steve

June 21, 2005

Re: [Wlug] HOWTO debug hard lockups

by Jeff Moyer

==> Regarding Re: [Wlug] HOWTO debug hard lockups; Andy Stewart <andystewart(a)comcast.net> adds: andystewart> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 andystewart> Eric Martin wrote: >> In reguards to seeing messages on minicom, what logger do you have >> installed? Can you just shovel kernel messages over to ttyS01? eg sudo >> tailf /var/log/kernel ttyS01 andystewart> I did that per your suggestion and it works just fine. Umm, it works just fine so long as the system is up and running. You really want the kernel to be printing directly to the console. Otherwise, when the system locks up and the NMI fires, you still won't get your messages over the serial console. Andy, it looked to me like you had things configured properly. Indeed, I use a very similar setup all of the time. The only difference is it works for me. (I hate that phrase). I'm not sure what to suggest at this point. If you do an alt-sysrq-h, does that at least print out over the serial console? -Jeff

June 21, 2005

Re: [Wlug] HOWTO debug hard lockups

by Andy Stewart

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Eric Martin wrote: > In reguards to seeing messages on minicom, what logger do you have > installed? Can you just shovel kernel messages over to ttyS01? eg sudo > tailf /var/log/kernel ttyS01 I did that per your suggestion and it works just fine. Thanks! Andy - -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA, USA http://www.wlug.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD4DBQFCuIeiHl0iXDssISsRAvu0AJ9meIbihDK9rwqbJ0NFOpV/t/dNkACYqFTA T+XthIh4VSCYVDrFOjSzfg== =gsn3 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

June 21, 2005

Re: [Wlug] HOWTO debug hard lockups

by Eric Martin

In reguards to seeing messages on minicom, what logger do you have installed? Can you just shovel kernel messages over to ttyS01? eg sudo tailf /var/log/kernel ttyS01 On 6/20/05, Andy Stewart <andystewart(a)comcast.net> wrote: > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > > HI everybody, > > Perhaps I have found some light in this tunnel. > > I upgraded to the 2.6.12 kernel (yeah, I know, that just changed the > entire experiment) and turned off "CPU freq scaling" and "PCI hotplug > support" since I didn't think I needed either of those. I built the > 2.6.12 kernel and played beer_golf 5 times in a row and the system DID > NOT lockup. I'm not sure why those features were enabled in the first > place. (I should probably go back to 2.6.11.11 <http://2.6.11.11> and > disable these two > features and see if that has any positive effect.) > > I'm far too much of a pessimist to claim victory, but perhaps my luck is > turning for the better. My fingers are still crossed. I am (extremely) > cautiously optimistic. > > I thought I'd mention this in case somebody reads this thread in the > future and maybe, just maybe, this tidbit helps. Besides, I've read a > lot of threads where the problem is described in detail, but the answer > is never forthcoming(!). > > Later, > > Andy > > > - -- > Andy Stewart, Founder > Worcester Linux Users' Group > Worcester, MA, USA > http://www.wlug.org > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > > iD8DBQFCtkacHl0iXDssISsRAvlGAJ9eVRN8NVKF7sWQtvIfdp4sqLi7BgCfXquw > ZP3/O9spJsGk+B2aty2RMDg= > =BGSi > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

June 21, 2005

Re: [Wlug] Need Homes: 2U+,custom cases/psupp/fans

by Eric Martin

Do you still have any cases? On 6/14/05, Doug Mildram <doug.mildram(a)mindspeed.com> wrote: > > Yet another Westboro,MA giveaway: (Anyone teaching EE or Hobbies909?) > Free and basically new: empty/nonstandard cases w/powersupp+fans. > > A dead project has left homeless ~15 cases, 19" wide, 24" deep, > (19" wide == standard 18.5" distance between frontpanel mounting holes) > 4.5" high == including .5" high rubber feet. (2U == 3.5", these are > taller), > semi-empty inside (a 13"x14"x3.5" area inside plus a 6"x8"x3.5" along > psupply) > 19" rackmountable , BUT, ***** NOT ***** set up for PC-based motherboard: > does NOT include disk/floppy/usb brackets or any of THAT pc-ready stuff. > > http://webpages.charter.net/mquinty/case_top.JPG > > Each case has a 400W standard 12v/5v power supply, > and (4) 3.5" fans already mounted (side exhaust) inside; > a removable suitcase-strap-panel on the front as shown; > (see picture case_front.JPG URL below..but it hides the switches below) > also on front panel: 1 power switch; 2 LEDs, "Fan Fail" and "Power". > > http://webpages.charter.net/mquinty/case_front.JPG > > Even MORE Gory detail: > Each case has a custom (now useless) NONstandard screw-post > arrangement which you'd need to re-do > (re-drill new holes as needed, may need shorter posts). > > So it's good if you have something REALLY CUSTOM you want mounted+powered. > > If you ask for just the power supplies, you're missing my mantra: > these babies (CASES) need an inventive home or homes. -- doug mildram > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

June 21, 2005

Re: [Wlug] HOWTO debug hard lockups

by Andy Stewart

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 HI everybody, Perhaps I have found some light in this tunnel. I upgraded to the 2.6.12 kernel (yeah, I know, that just changed the entire experiment) and turned off "CPU freq scaling" and "PCI hotplug support" since I didn't think I needed either of those. I built the 2.6.12 kernel and played beer_golf 5 times in a row and the system DID NOT lockup. I'm not sure why those features were enabled in the first place. (I should probably go back to 2.6.11.11 and disable these two features and see if that has any positive effect.) I'm far too much of a pessimist to claim victory, but perhaps my luck is turning for the better. My fingers are still crossed. I am (extremely) cautiously optimistic. I thought I'd mention this in case somebody reads this thread in the future and maybe, just maybe, this tidbit helps. Besides, I've read a lot of threads where the problem is described in detail, but the answer is never forthcoming(!). Later, Andy - -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA, USA http://www.wlug.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFCtkacHl0iXDssISsRAvlGAJ9eVRN8NVKF7sWQtvIfdp4sqLi7BgCfXquw ZP3/O9spJsGk+B2aty2RMDg= =BGSi -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

June 20, 2005

Re: [Wlug] HOWTO debug hard lockups

by Andy Stewart

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Andy Stewart wrote: > > HI gang, > > I have another clue - I found a way to lockup the system *guaranteed* > within about 3 minutes. Go to this URL and play this game. It is mouse > only. > > http://www.whtmtnliving.net/games/sports/beer_golf.htm OK, here's more to the saga of the machine suffering from hard lockups. Here's what I tried, and in all cases, the system still locks up playing beer_golf (but I am getting really good at this game!). This is all based on suggestions from all of you - thank you!! 1) Turned off video 3D acceleration. No effect, so I turned it back on. 2) Connected the KB and mouse directly to system (no KVM), no effect, so now the KVM is back in the picture. 3) Turned off sound hardware in the BIOS - no effect, so I turned it back on. 4) Tried a different video card (and this one was PCI, the original video card is AGP) - same deal, no effect, put back the original. 5) Enabled PNP in the BIOS (that's still on 'cause I thought I should probably have had it on anyway). 6) Disabled network hardware in the BIOS, put in Linksys PCI NIC. Nope, so I pulled the Linksys and reenabled the MB NIC. 7) Tried a different PS/2 mouse and tried my original mouse on another system. All mice seem to work properly. 8) I tried to get a serial mouse to work, but I couldn't get the serial mouse to work. I can't set the baud rate down to 1200 on this MB. Weird...the lowest it will go is 9600 (verified with minicom). I might play with this again to see if I can isolate the PS/2 mouse hardware on the MB (and the software in Linux). I don't have a USB mouse and Staples didn't have any when I visited. Here is what else I did: 9) Ran memtest for 24 hours - no failures 10) Access the offending system from over the network and play the game - - no lockup! 11) The beer_golf game is a swf file, so I downloaded the file and played it locally - no lockup! 12) Only when I play beer_golf in konqueror, over the net, does the system lockup reliably. 13) CPU temps measured independently from the MB are in the low 40 degree C range. Now, with regard to the serial console, I did get that working at least to a certain point. I've connected the serial cable to another Linux system running minicom. I can see the boot and shutdown messages in two locations (minicom/remote and local). However, when the system is running, I don't see the kernel messages on the serial console. When booting from grub, I have "console=tty0 console=ttyS1,115200n8" in that order. I do see the kernel messages in /var/log/messages and in the xconsole window. - From minicom, if I sent the Break character when the system is running OK (before the lockup occurs), that acts like Alt-SysReq. So, Break-? gives me the SysRq help line. Break-T (show tasks) puts output only on the local system (can't see it on minicom). I am not running getty on this ttyS1 since it seems to interfere with my attempts to use the MagicSysReq key. When it was enabled, I did get successfully logged in. When I put the system at run level 1, then all of the Alt-SysReq output goes to the serial console (minicom can see them!). Now, here's the part that I think might be bad. When I run the program which makes the system lock up, the lockup occurs. I then try to use minicom, and I get no output whatsoever. I can't even get the SysRq help output. I fear this may mean I have a real hardware lockup and not a Linux kernel problem. I know this is a lot to digest, and I really do appreciate all of the feedback. Does anybody have any comments that might help to further isolate this problem? Is there anything that I should try which I have not tried? Thanks!! Andy - -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA, USA http://www.wlug.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFCtPa7Hl0iXDssISsRAuZaAJ4mTMd8eSJEPo5LCCiqA8/rqazAQQCfSYmb mHIxlOPglV7Cq42hNKejVxU= =GJzk -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

June 19, 2005

Re: [Wlug] HOWTO debug hard lockups

by Andy Stewart

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 HI gang, I have another clue - I found a way to lockup the system *guaranteed* within about 3 minutes. Go to this URL and play this game. It is mouse only. http://www.whtmtnliving.net/games/sports/beer_golf.htm I disconnected my keyboard and mouse from the KVM switch and connected them directly to my system - and it *still* locks up reliably when I play the golf game (above) with the 2.6.11.11 kernel. Note I'm also running X.org 6.8.1. Could this be some flakiness in my XF86Config file with the mouse protocol? I could isolate this further if I could find a way to lock up the system in console mode using gpm. Its time to go to CompUSA and spend $4.38 on that serial console cable... Later, Andy - -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA, USA http://www.wlug.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFCsiV8Hl0iXDssISsRAoutAJ4qauOItdJnPoSXS2MuP149kKuMSgCdEXZ8 xP/T9Okh2ngQRZqZresZCDg= =2tw5 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

June 17, 2005

udev device removal not removing file

by Karl Hiramoto

I have some USB serial port devices that show up in /dev/tts/USB0 and /dev/tts/USB1 for example.. I have 4 gentoo boxes, and on one of them when I remove the device file does not disappear, on the other boxes the file disappear. What could be causing this? Adding a device is no problem, only the removal does not remove the device file /dev/tts/USB1 for example dmesg shows the device addition and removal just fine. I copied /etc/udev/* from a working machine where removal happens fine the one with problems with device removal and there was no change. They are all running the same kernel, hotplugg, baselayout.. This is an issue for me as i have a program of my own that looks for /dev/tts/USB* Any ideas out there? Thanks.

June 16, 2005

RE: [Wlug] VPN

by Skip Gaede

How about FreeSwan? -----Original Message----- From: wlug-bounces(a)mail.wlug.org [mailto:wlug-bounces@mail.wlug.org] On Behalf Of Aramico Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2005 8:07 AM To: sageman(a)WPI.EDU; Worcester Linux Users Group Subject: [Wlug] VPN Dear Friends, Can you all please suggest me kind of VPN application based on Linux (especially RedHat 7.3 compatibility) ? Thanks, Aramico _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

June 15, 2005

Re: [Wlug] Need Homes: 2U+,custom cases/psupp/fans

by Walt Sawyer

I'd like one. Bring it to the meeting tonight. Thanks! Walt On Tue, 2005-06-14 at 13:57 -0400, Doug Mildram wrote: > Yet another Westboro,MA giveaway: (Anyone teaching EE or Hobbies909?) > Free and basically new: empty/nonstandard cases w/powersupp+fans. > > A dead project has left homeless ~15 cases, 19" wide, 24" deep, > (19" wide == standard 18.5" distance between frontpanel mounting holes) > 4.5" high == including .5" high rubber feet. (2U == 3.5", these are taller), > semi-empty inside (a 13"x14"x3.5" area inside plus a 6"x8"x3.5" along psupply) > 19" rackmountable , BUT, ***** NOT ***** set up for PC-based motherboard: > does NOT include disk/floppy/usb brackets or any of THAT pc-ready stuff. > > http://webpages.charter.net/mquinty/case_top.JPG > > Each case has a 400W standard 12v/5v power supply, > and (4) 3.5" fans already mounted (side exhaust) inside; > a removable suitcase-strap-panel on the front as shown; > (see picture case_front.JPG URL below..but it hides the switches below) > also on front panel: 1 power switch; 2 LEDs, "Fan Fail" and "Power". > > http://webpages.charter.net/mquinty/case_front.JPG > > Even MORE Gory detail: > Each case has a custom (now useless) NONstandard screw-post > arrangement which you'd need to re-do > (re-drill new holes as needed, may need shorter posts). > > So it's good if you have something REALLY CUSTOM you want mounted+powered. > > If you ask for just the power supplies, you're missing my mantra: > these babies (CASES) need an inventive home or homes. -- doug mildram > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

June 15, 2005

Re: [Wlug] VPN

by Adam Keck

Hello Aramico, Are you trying to connect to a VPN server or are you trying to provide VPN services to others? -Adam On Jun 15, 2005, at 8:07 AM, Aramico wrote: > Dear Friends, > > > Can you all please suggest me kind of VPN application based on Linux > (especially RedHat 7.3 compatibility) ? > > > Thanks, > > Aramico > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

June 15, 2005

VPN

by Aramico

Dear Friends, Can you all please suggest me kind of VPN application based on Linux (especially RedHat 7.3 compatibility) ? Thanks, Aramico

June 15, 2005

Need Homes: 2U+,custom cases/psupp/fans

by Doug Mildram

Yet another Westboro,MA giveaway: (Anyone teaching EE or Hobbies909?) Free and basically new: empty/nonstandard cases w/powersupp+fans. A dead project has left homeless ~15 cases, 19" wide, 24" deep, (19" wide == standard 18.5" distance between frontpanel mounting holes) 4.5" high == including .5" high rubber feet. (2U == 3.5", these are taller), semi-empty inside (a 13"x14"x3.5" area inside plus a 6"x8"x3.5" along psupply) 19" rackmountable , BUT, ***** NOT ***** set up for PC-based motherboard: does NOT include disk/floppy/usb brackets or any of THAT pc-ready stuff. http://webpages.charter.net/mquinty/case_top.JPG Each case has a 400W standard 12v/5v power supply, and (4) 3.5" fans already mounted (side exhaust) inside; a removable suitcase-strap-panel on the front as shown; (see picture case_front.JPG URL below..but it hides the switches below) also on front panel: 1 power switch; 2 LEDs, "Fan Fail" and "Power". http://webpages.charter.net/mquinty/case_front.JPG Even MORE Gory detail: Each case has a custom (now useless) NONstandard screw-post arrangement which you'd need to re-do (re-drill new holes as needed, may need shorter posts). So it's good if you have something REALLY CUSTOM you want mounted+powered. If you ask for just the power supplies, you're missing my mantra: these babies (CASES) need an inventive home or homes. -- doug mildram

June 14, 2005

Reminder: WLUG Meeting, Wed June 15, 7:00 PM

by Andy Stewart

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 HI everybody, This is a reminder about the WLUG meeting to be held on Wednesday, June 15, 2005 at 7:00 PM in the Access Grid room on the WPI Campus in Worcester, MA USA. This meeting is open to anyone who is interested in Linux. Tim Keller will be our guest speaker, and he'll be talking about Logical Volume Management (LVM). More details can be found on the WLUG home page. I will have two books for the no cost raffle: Succeeding with Open Source by Bernard Golden Published by Addison-Wesley 2005 PHP5 Power Programming by Gutmans, Bakken, and Rethans Published by Prentice Hall 2005 The raffle winner is requested to write a review of the book and to post it somewhere on the Internet, and to copy the publisher. We had discussed the possibility of a summer barbecue in lieu of the July meeting. I think someone said we could have the party at their place, but I can't remember who said that. If this person was serious, please contact me via email and we can work out the particulars. It'll be a nice way to celebrate WLUG's 8th anniversary (we started July 1997)! After the meeting, we'll go out for pizza/soda at the Tech Pizza restaurant on Highland Street. Its a small place, but the 8-10 of us that go seem to be having a good time, and we've never had to wait for a table. :-) It may be hot in there this time of year...we'll have to scope it out. See you on Wednesday! Andy - -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA, USA http://www.wlug.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFCrj4THl0iXDssISsRAhttAJsG8rEhMLYrtzolhdFWpnwTBYFWFQCgh/xB RA6vaXZaqh7HUbT8Et7x1zM= =he7f -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

June 14, 2005

Re: [Wlug] HOWTO debug hard lockups

by Andy Stewart

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 John Stoffel wrote: > > Andy> So far, so good, but I only installed 2.6.11.11: > Andy> 7:49pm up 2 days 20:40, 7 users, load average: 2.04, 2.08, 2.08 > > Andy> Linux amdtux 2.6.11.11 #1 SMP Tue Jun 7 21:12:53 EDT 2005 x86_64 x86_64 > Andy> x86_64 GNU/Linux > > I assume you did a 'make oldconfig' to keep your settings a close as > possible to the previous kernel? I'm wondering if there's some sort > of difference in settings that might have made a difference here. Well, what I actually did is this: booted previous kernel (2.6.8.something_from_suse) cd /usr/src/linux-2.6.11.11 zcat /proc/config.gz > .config make xconfig (make no changes, save it back out) make ....... > > In any case, good luck, and great to hear it's working well for you. Thanks - I'm keeping my fingers crossed! > > My old dual cpu PIII Xeon 550mhz is still chugging along well, but I'm > starting to think I want a silent NFS/mysql/daemon server with a bunch > of disk and a tape drive to sit off in a quiet corner somewhere to do > backups, serve files, etc. And be stable and quiet. Then my main box > could become a more general play system again. My dual PIII 450MHz system is now a MythTV backend, and it seems quite happy in that role. :-) Later, Andy - -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA, USA http://www.wlug.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFCq6mgHl0iXDssISsRAu6TAJ9EsNQVMwogKOSmUB1weKE2XU83pgCfZGSI 9n5fJ5mD4VwfZD2LxGcLg1E= =6fO7 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

June 12, 2005

Re: [Wlug] HOWTO debug hard lockups

by John Stoffel

Andy> So far, so good, but I only installed 2.6.11.11: Andy> 7:49pm up 2 days 20:40, 7 users, load average: 2.04, 2.08, 2.08 Andy> Linux amdtux 2.6.11.11 #1 SMP Tue Jun 7 21:12:53 EDT 2005 x86_64 x86_64 Andy> x86_64 GNU/Linux I assume you did a 'make oldconfig' to keep your settings a close as possible to the previous kernel? I'm wondering if there's some sort of difference in settings that might have made a difference here. In any case, good luck, and great to hear it's working well for you. My old dual cpu PIII Xeon 550mhz is still chugging along well, but I'm starting to think I want a silent NFS/mysql/daemon server with a bunch of disk and a tape drive to sit off in a quiet corner somewhere to do backups, serve files, etc. And be stable and quiet. Then my main box could become a more general play system again. John

June 12, 2005

Re: [Wlug] HOWTO debug hard lockups

by Andy Stewart

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 So far, so good, but I only installed 2.6.11.11: 7:49pm up 2 days 20:40, 7 users, load average: 2.04, 2.08, 2.08 Linux amdtux 2.6.11.11 #1 SMP Tue Jun 7 21:12:53 EDT 2005 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux - -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA, USA http://www.wlug.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFCqiduHl0iXDssISsRApBGAJ4w8HXNq60qb/6BMON3uz4aoywjRwCdHWrC xVYbnucZfFPBUFt3MWZhXNc= =z/Mt -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

June 10, 2005

RE: [Wlug] HOWTO debug hard lockups

by Keller, Tim

Andy, Your lockup's sound like an SMP issue. I'd try booting a non SMP kernel and then seeing if you can duplicate the lockup... I say this because I was getting practically the same behavior with a duel Xeon machine running FC3. The machine would just up and die in the same way your machine is. Just my $.02. Tim. -----Original Message----- From: wlug-bounces(a)mail.wlug.org [mailto:wlug-bounces@mail.wlug.org] On Behalf Of Andy Stewart Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 7:15 PM To: jmoyer(a)redhat.com; Worcester Linux Users Group Subject: Re: [Wlug] HOWTO debug hard lockups -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Jeff Moyer wrote: > ==> Regarding Re: [Wlug] HOWTO debug hard lockups; Andy Stewart <andystewart(a)comcast.net> adds: > > andystewart> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 > > andystewart> Jeff Moyer wrote: >>>==> Regarding [Wlug] HOWTO debug hard lockups; Andy Stewart >>><andystewart(a)comcast.net> adds: >>> > andystewart> HI gang, > andystewart> My dual Opteron machine is not happy. I cannot get more than > andystewart> 7 straight days of uptime without getting a hard lock, > andystewart> requiring a reboot. (My definition of hard lock is: machine > andystewart> responds neither to keyboard input, mouse input, nor network > andystewart> pings). > andystewart> I can stimulate hard locks by running OpenOffice 1.1.3 (I had > andystewart> 3 tonight, and 3-4 on a previous occasion while running > andystewart> OpenOffice). It makes no sense to me that an application run > andystewart> as a normal user could lockup a machine. > andystewart> I've tried setting "nmi_watchdog=1" to see if I could get an > andystewart> "oops" when it hard locks - no dice. Do you know any other > andystewart> tricks I could try to see if it is the kernel which is locking > andystewart> up? I'm running SuSE's version of 2.6.8. >>>Did you verify that NMIs are being delivered? After boot, cat >>>/proc/interrupts and make sure the NMI line is non-zero. Also note >>>that, at least with upstream and Red Hat kernels, the nmi_watchdog >>>defaults to 1 for Opterons (i.e. you shouldn't need to manually set it). > > andystewart> HI Jeff, > > andystewart> Well, this is weird, I'm seeing a ZERO count for NMIs, so that > andystewart> makes me think they are NOT being delivered. How would I go > andystewart> about solving *that* little problem? I did a "cat > > Well, you can try booting with nmi_watchdog=2. This will try to use the > local APIC to deliver nmi's, but I haven't actually seen a dual processor > system that required this (all of them I've seen work with nmi_watchdog=1). > It is worth a try, however. With nmi_watchdog=1, I see the following output from "dmesg | grep -i nmi" with the 2.6.11.11 kernel I very recently installed: Bootdata ok (command line is root=/dev/sda3 vga=0x31a selinux=0 console=tty0 resume=/dev/sda2 desktop elevator=as nmi_watchdog=1 splash=verbose) ACPI: LAPIC_NMI (acpi_id[0x00] high edge lint[0x1]) ACPI: LAPIC_NMI (acpi_id[0x01] high edge lint[0x1]) Kernel command line: root=/dev/sda3 vga=0x31a selinux=0 console=tty0 resume=/dev/sda2 desktop elevator=as nmi_watchdog=1 splash=verbose activating NMI Watchdog ... done. testing NMI watchdog ... CPU#1: NMI appears to be stuck (0)! I'll try nmi_watchdog=2 shortly. Thanks, Andy - -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA, USA http://www.wlug.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFCp3v8Hl0iXDssISsRAoDJAJ0TonNTSEAd+4W0GRPwTW/UoGFssACdEEq9 8IgEFJ7VAL/FVeyPXrEapHg= =jcjE -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

June 9, 2005

Re: [Wlug] HOWTO debug hard lockups

by Andy Stewart

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Jeff Moyer wrote: > ==> Regarding Re: [Wlug] HOWTO debug hard lockups; Andy Stewart <andystewart(a)comcast.net> adds: > > andystewart> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 > > andystewart> Jeff Moyer wrote: >>>==> Regarding [Wlug] HOWTO debug hard lockups; Andy Stewart >>><andystewart(a)comcast.net> adds: >>> > andystewart> HI gang, > andystewart> My dual Opteron machine is not happy. I cannot get more than > andystewart> 7 straight days of uptime without getting a hard lock, > andystewart> requiring a reboot. (My definition of hard lock is: machine > andystewart> responds neither to keyboard input, mouse input, nor network > andystewart> pings). > andystewart> I can stimulate hard locks by running OpenOffice 1.1.3 (I had > andystewart> 3 tonight, and 3-4 on a previous occasion while running > andystewart> OpenOffice). It makes no sense to me that an application run > andystewart> as a normal user could lockup a machine. > andystewart> I've tried setting "nmi_watchdog=1" to see if I could get an > andystewart> "oops" when it hard locks - no dice. Do you know any other > andystewart> tricks I could try to see if it is the kernel which is locking > andystewart> up? I'm running SuSE's version of 2.6.8. >>>Did you verify that NMIs are being delivered? After boot, cat >>>/proc/interrupts and make sure the NMI line is non-zero. Also note >>>that, at least with upstream and Red Hat kernels, the nmi_watchdog >>>defaults to 1 for Opterons (i.e. you shouldn't need to manually set it). > > andystewart> HI Jeff, > > andystewart> Well, this is weird, I'm seeing a ZERO count for NMIs, so that > andystewart> makes me think they are NOT being delivered. How would I go > andystewart> about solving *that* little problem? I did a "cat > > Well, you can try booting with nmi_watchdog=2. This will try to use the > local APIC to deliver nmi's, but I haven't actually seen a dual processor > system that required this (all of them I've seen work with nmi_watchdog=1). > It is worth a try, however. With nmi_watchdog=1, I see the following output from "dmesg | grep -i nmi" with the 2.6.11.11 kernel I very recently installed: Bootdata ok (command line is root=/dev/sda3 vga=0x31a selinux=0 console=tty0 resume=/dev/sda2 desktop elevator=as nmi_watchdog=1 splash=verbose) ACPI: LAPIC_NMI (acpi_id[0x00] high edge lint[0x1]) ACPI: LAPIC_NMI (acpi_id[0x01] high edge lint[0x1]) Kernel command line: root=/dev/sda3 vga=0x31a selinux=0 console=tty0 resume=/dev/sda2 desktop elevator=as nmi_watchdog=1 splash=verbose activating NMI Watchdog ... done. testing NMI watchdog ... CPU#1: NMI appears to be stuck (0)! I'll try nmi_watchdog=2 shortly. Thanks, Andy - -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA, USA http://www.wlug.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFCp3v8Hl0iXDssISsRAoDJAJ0TonNTSEAd+4W0GRPwTW/UoGFssACdEEq9 8IgEFJ7VAL/FVeyPXrEapHg= =jcjE -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

June 8, 2005

Re: [Wlug] HOWTO debug hard lockups

by Michael Long

Andy Stewart wrote: >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >Hash: SHA1 > >John Stoffel wrote: > > >>Andy, >> >>The best thing to do here is to run a serial console to another one of >>your systems and use THAT to try and catch the issue. You can then do >>a SysRq from the remote serial console and/or catch any error >>messages. >> >>Also, are there any messages in dmesg or /var/log/messages? How does >>the bootup look? Any warnings? Also, please try 2.6.12-rc6 and see >>if the problem repeats. >> >>John >> >> > >HI John, > >I'm going to give the serial console a try - I may have a cable lying >around. > >I upgraded to the 2.6.11.11 kernel which did have several fixes for K8. > We'll see how that goes. > >Thanks for the ideas! > >Andy > >- -- >Andy Stewart, Founder >Worcester Linux Users' Group >Worcester, MA, USA >http://www.wlug.org > >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (GNU/Linux) >Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > >iD8DBQFCp2yhHl0iXDssISsRAqxcAJwLntOh9GpNmefW/+JdwbAUMRJKBACfbV1P >s2eqMUnY6rjZaIfI6MzZLqQ= >=aLfl >-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- >_______________________________________________ >Wlug mailing list >Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > Andy, If that doesn't help try using the system without the kvm and see if you get the same behavior. I have seen odd things in the past when using a faulty kvm switch. Mike

June 8, 2005

Re: [Wlug] HOWTO debug hard lockups

by Andy Stewart

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 John Stoffel wrote: > Andy, > > The best thing to do here is to run a serial console to another one of > your systems and use THAT to try and catch the issue. You can then do > a SysRq from the remote serial console and/or catch any error > messages. > > Also, are there any messages in dmesg or /var/log/messages? How does > the bootup look? Any warnings? Also, please try 2.6.12-rc6 and see > if the problem repeats. > > John HI John, I'm going to give the serial console a try - I may have a cable lying around. I upgraded to the 2.6.11.11 kernel which did have several fixes for K8. We'll see how that goes. Thanks for the ideas! Andy - -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA, USA http://www.wlug.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFCp2yhHl0iXDssISsRAqxcAJwLntOh9GpNmefW/+JdwbAUMRJKBACfbV1P s2eqMUnY6rjZaIfI6MzZLqQ= =aLfl -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

June 8, 2005

Job opportunity in Natick for experienced Unix admin

by Simoncini, Matthew

List, I work for a large consulting company in Natick, MA. and we're looking for a couple of experienced (mid level) Unix administrators to join our team. Some of the skills that are required include: Unix experience (Sun Solaris 8 or higher) Veritas volume manager Veritas cluster services Storage management experience (preferably EMC Clarion or DMX) Backup management experience (preferably EMC EDM) Team player Desire to learn and grow If you or anyone you know is looking for a position as a Unix Administrator, please contact me off list at matthewsmbox-resumes(a)yahoo.com <mailto:matthewsmbox-resumes@yahoo.com> . Thanks. Matthew

June 8, 2005

MySQL curses management tool?

by John Stoffel

Hi all, A quick googling didn't help, so I'm turning to you all. I'm looking for a mysql management tool which is CLI/curses based and more powerful/easier to use when compared to the mysqlaccess and mysqladmin stuff. Basically, something to help me manage DBs, users and permissions over an SSH connection. I know I could use some of the X tools, but I'd prefer not too if possible. Thanks, John

June 8, 2005

Re: [Wlug] HOWTO debug hard lockups

by John Stoffel

Andy, The best thing to do here is to run a serial console to another one of your systems and use THAT to try and catch the issue. You can then do a SysRq from the remote serial console and/or catch any error messages. Also, are there any messages in dmesg or /var/log/messages? How does the bootup look? Any warnings? Also, please try 2.6.12-rc6 and see if the problem repeats. John

June 8, 2005

Re: [Wlug] HOWTO debug hard lockups

by Jeff Moyer

==> Regarding Re: [Wlug] HOWTO debug hard lockups; Andy Stewart <andystewart(a)comcast.net> adds: andystewart> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 andystewart> Jeff Moyer wrote: >> ==> Regarding [Wlug] HOWTO debug hard lockups; Andy Stewart >> <andystewart(a)comcast.net> adds: >> andystewart> HI gang, >> andystewart> My dual Opteron machine is not happy. I cannot get more than andystewart> 7 straight days of uptime without getting a hard lock, andystewart> requiring a reboot. (My definition of hard lock is: machine andystewart> responds neither to keyboard input, mouse input, nor network andystewart> pings). >> andystewart> I can stimulate hard locks by running OpenOffice 1.1.3 (I had andystewart> 3 tonight, and 3-4 on a previous occasion while running andystewart> OpenOffice). It makes no sense to me that an application run andystewart> as a normal user could lockup a machine. >> andystewart> I've tried setting "nmi_watchdog=1" to see if I could get an andystewart> "oops" when it hard locks - no dice. Do you know any other andystewart> tricks I could try to see if it is the kernel which is locking andystewart> up? I'm running SuSE's version of 2.6.8. >> Did you verify that NMIs are being delivered? After boot, cat >> /proc/interrupts and make sure the NMI line is non-zero. Also note >> that, at least with upstream and Red Hat kernels, the nmi_watchdog >> defaults to 1 for Opterons (i.e. you shouldn't need to manually set it). andystewart> HI Jeff, andystewart> Well, this is weird, I'm seeing a ZERO count for NMIs, so that andystewart> makes me think they are NOT being delivered. How would I go andystewart> about solving *that* little problem? I did a "cat Well, you can try booting with nmi_watchdog=2. This will try to use the local APIC to deliver nmi's, but I haven't actually seen a dual processor system that required this (all of them I've seen work with nmi_watchdog=1). It is worth a try, however. andystewart> /proc/cmdline" to insure that I had "nmi_watchdog=1" and andystewart> indeed it is there. Perhaps this is the clue we've been andystewart> seeking. Well, it only tells you that the nmi_watchdog won't trigger. We still have no insight into what the problem might actually be. >> If the NMI watchdog works, it will print a message to the console. >> However, you will not see this if you are in X windows. Do you have a >> serial console hooked up, by any chance? I strongly suggest it if you >> have the means. andystewart> I think I have a cable to which I could connect the serial andystewart> port of the Opteron to the serial port of another Linux box andystewart> (and then use minicom or some such terminal program). >> Aside from this, if it is indeed a hard lockup, there is really nothing >> you can do (without purchasing other hardware to help debug the >> problem). andystewart> Yeah, I was afraid of that. >> Please give these suggestions a shot and let us know how it goes. andystewart> Shall do - thanks, everybody! andystewart> Oh, be advised that when you smash your fist on the keyboard andystewart> after your system locks up for the umpteenth time, that a lot andystewart> of dead skin cells will come flying upward out of the bowels andystewart> of the keyboard. I would recommend safety glasses. Noted. =) -Jeff

June 8, 2005

Re: [Wlug] HOWTO debug hard lockups

by Jeff Moyer

==> Regarding Re: [Wlug] HOWTO debug hard lockups; Walt Sawyer <wsawyer(a)norfolk-county.com> adds: wsawyer> Andy, Are you sure it's the hard drive? Try running Knoppix live wsawyer> CD for a while. If it's still running after days(max uptime)+5, wsawyer> then perhaps it's something else. This changes things entirely. He'll be running a different kernel, so this test is not useful, in my opinion. -Jeff wsawyer> If this message is redundant, ignore it! Walt wsawyer> On Tue, 2005-06-07 at 19:19 -0400, Andy Stewart wrote: >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 >> >> Jeff Moyer wrote: > ==> Regarding [Wlug] HOWTO debug hard lockups; Andy >> Stewart <andystewart(a)comcast.net> adds: >> > >> > andystewart> HI gang, >> > >> > andystewart> My dual Opteron machine is not happy. I cannot get more >> than > andystewart> 7 straight days of uptime without getting a hard >> lock, > andystewart> requiring a reboot. (My definition of hard lock >> is: machine > andystewart> responds neither to keyboard input, mouse >> input, nor network > andystewart> pings). >> > >> > andystewart> I can stimulate hard locks by running OpenOffice 1.1.3 (I >> had > andystewart> 3 tonight, and 3-4 on a previous occasion while >> running > andystewart> OpenOffice). It makes no sense to me that an >> application run > andystewart> as a normal user could lockup a machine. >> > >> > andystewart> I've tried setting "nmi_watchdog=1" to see if I could get >> an > andystewart> "oops" when it hard locks - no dice. Do you know any >> other > andystewart> tricks I could try to see if it is the kernel which >> is locking > andystewart> up? I'm running SuSE's version of 2.6.8. >> > >> > Did you verify that NMIs are being delivered? After boot, cat > >> /proc/interrupts and make sure the NMI line is non-zero. Also note >> that, > at least with upstream and Red Hat kernels, the nmi_watchdog >> defaults to 1 > for Opterons (i.e. you shouldn't need to manually set >> it). >> >> HI Jeff, >> >> Well, this is weird, I'm seeing a ZERO count for NMIs, so that makes me >> think they are NOT being delivered. How would I go about solving *that* >> little problem? I did a "cat /proc/cmdline" to insure that I had >> "nmi_watchdog=1" and indeed it is there. Perhaps this is the clue we've >> been seeking. >> >> > If the NMI watchdog works, it will print a message to the console. > >> However, you will not see this if you are in X windows. Do you have a > >> serial console hooked up, by any chance? I strongly suggest it if you >> have > the means. >> >> I think I have a cable to which I could connect the serial port of the >> Opteron to the serial port of another Linux box (and then use minicom or >> some such terminal program). >> >> > >> > Aside from this, if it is indeed a hard lockup, there is really >> nothing you > can do (without purchasing other hardware to help debug >> the problem). >> >> Yeah, I was afraid of that. >> >> > >> > Please give these suggestions a shot and let us know how it goes. >> >> Shall do - thanks, everybody! >> >> Oh, be advised that when you smash your fist on the keyboard after your >> system locks up for the umpteenth time, that a lot of dead skin cells >> will come flying upward out of the bowels of the keyboard. I would >> recommend safety glasses. >> >> Later, >> >> Andy >> >> - -- >> Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA, USA >> http://www.wlug.org >> >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: >> Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org >> >> iD8DBQFCpiuVHl0iXDssISsRAowjAJsHjggG0QsMPQ/H+2YQnzNZPtF9gQCfepvV >> u6O8n+PSW4M0I1MHXsH06Xo= =ViVg -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- >> _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list >> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >> wsawyer> -- <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 TRANSITIONAL//EN"> wsawyer> <HTML> <HEAD> <META HTTP-EQUIV="Content-Type" CONTENT="text/html; wsawyer> CHARSET=UTF-8"> <META NAME="GENERATOR" CONTENT="GtkHTML/3.3.2"> wsawyer> </HEAD> <BODY> Andy, Are you sure it's the hard drive?  wsawyer> Try running Knoppix live CD for a while.  If it's still wsawyer> running after days(max uptime)+5, then perhaps it's something wsawyer> else. If this message is redundant, ignore it! wsawyer> Walt On Tue, 2005-06-07 at 19:19 -0400, Andy Stewart wsawyer> wrote: <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE> <PRE> COLOR="#000000">-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- COLOR="#000000">Hash: SHA1 wsawyer> Jeff Moyer wrote: COLOR="#000000">> ==> Regarding [Wlug] HOWTO debug hard wsawyer> lockups; Andy Stewart <<A wsawyer> HREF="mailto:andystewart@comcast.net">andystewart(a)comcast.net</A>> wsawyer> adds: > COLOR="#000000">> andystewart> HI gang, COLOR="#000000">> > wsawyer> andystewart> My dual Opteron machine is not happy. I cannot wsawyer> get more than > andystewart> 7 wsawyer> straight days of uptime without getting a hard lock, COLOR="#000000">> andystewart> requiring a reboot. (My wsawyer> definition of hard lock is: machine COLOR="#000000">> andystewart> responds neither to keyboard wsawyer> input, mouse input, nor network > wsawyer> andystewart> pings). > wsawyer> > andystewart> I can stimulate hard wsawyer> locks by running OpenOffice 1.1.3 (I had COLOR="#000000">> andystewart> 3 tonight, and 3-4 on a wsawyer> previous occasion while running > wsawyer> andystewart> OpenOffice). It makes no sense to me that an wsawyer> application run > andystewart> wsawyer> as a normal user could lockup a machine. COLOR="#000000">> > wsawyer> andystewart> I've tried setting "nmi_watchdog=1" to wsawyer> see if I could get an > wsawyer> andystewart> "oops" when it hard locks - no dice. Do wsawyer> you know any other > wsawyer> andystewart> tricks I could try to see if it is the kernel wsawyer> which is locking > andystewart> wsawyer> up? I'm running SuSE's version of 2.6.8. COLOR="#000000">> > Did you wsawyer> verify that NMIs are being delivered? After boot, cat wsawyer> > /proc/interrupts and make sure the NMI wsawyer> line is non-zero. Also note that, COLOR="#000000">> at least with upstream and Red Hat kernels, wsawyer> the nmi_watchdog defaults to 1 > wsawyer> for Opterons (i.e. you shouldn't need to manually set it). wsawyer> HI Jeff, wsawyer> Well, this is weird, I'm seeing a ZERO count wsawyer> for NMIs, so that makes me think they wsawyer> are NOT being delivered. How would I go about solving wsawyer> *that* little problem? I did a wsawyer> "cat /proc/cmdline" to insure that I had COLOR="#000000">"nmi_watchdog=1" and indeed it is there. wsawyer> Perhaps this is the clue we've been wsawyer> seeking. wsawyer> > If the NMI watchdog works, it will wsawyer> print a message to the console. > wsawyer> However, you will not see this if you are in X windows. Do you wsawyer> have a > serial console hooked up, wsawyer> by any chance? I strongly suggest it if you have COLOR="#000000">> the means. wsawyer> I think I have a cable to which I could wsawyer> connect the serial port of the COLOR="#000000">Opteron to the serial port of another Linux box wsawyer> (and then use minicom or some such wsawyer> terminal program). wsawyer> > > wsawyer> Aside from this, if it is indeed a hard lockup, there is really wsawyer> nothing you > can do (without wsawyer> purchasing other hardware to help debug the problem). wsawyer> Yeah, I was afraid of that. wsawyer> > > wsawyer> Please give these suggestions a shot and let us know how it wsawyer> goes. wsawyer> Shall do - thanks, everybody! wsawyer> Oh, be advised that when you smash your fist wsawyer> on the keyboard after your system wsawyer> locks up for the umpteenth time, that a lot of dead skin wsawyer> cells will come flying upward out of wsawyer> the bowels of the keyboard. I would COLOR="#000000">recommend safety glasses. wsawyer> Later, wsawyer> Andy wsawyer> - -- Andy wsawyer> Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux wsawyer> Users' Group Worcester, MA, wsawyer> USA <A wsawyer> HREF="http://www.wlug.org">http://www.wlug.org</A> wsawyer> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- COLOR="#000000">Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (GNU/Linux) COLOR="#000000">Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - <A wsawyer> HREF="http://enigmail.mozdev.org">http://enigmail.mozdev.org</A> wsawyer> COLOR="#000000">iD8DBQFCpiuVHl0iXDssISsRAowjAJsHjggG0QsMPQ/H+2YQnzNZPtF9gQCfepvV wsawyer> u6O8n+PSW4M0I1MHXsH06Xo= COLOR="#000000">=ViVg -----END PGP wsawyer> SIGNATURE----- COLOR="#000000">_______________________________________________ wsawyer> Wlug mailing list COLOR="#000000"><A wsawyer> HREF="mailto:Wlug@mail.wlug.org">Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org</A> wsawyer> <A wsawyer> HREF="http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug">http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug</A> wsawyer> </PRE> </BLOCKQUOTE> <TABLE CELLSPACING="0" CELLPADDING="0" wsawyer> WIDTH="100%"> <TR> <TD> <PRE> -- </PRE> </TD> </TR> </TABLE> wsawyer> </BODY> </HTML> _______________________________________________ wsawyer> Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org wsawyer> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

June 8, 2005

Re: [Wlug] HOWTO debug hard lockups

by Gary Hanley

On Tue, 7 Jun 2005, Andy Stewart wrote: > I'd rather not give up KDE, but I could try blackbox for a while to see > what happens. Well, my guess is that it is a hardware issue How about the MB settings, like the memory timings/clock ratios? Sometimes this can cause problems if they are set too aggressively. Usually there are one-off options in the BIOS menu for stable settings and speed settings so you don't have to tweak everything. Anything there you can check? Maybe down-shift your settings a little and see if the problem goes away. I haven't had the pleasure of working with a dual system every so I'm not familiar with any related BIOS settings you may need to modify. -- Gary

June 8, 2005

Re: [Wlug] HOWTO debug hard lockups

by Andy Stewart

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Baris Hasdemir wrote: > On Tue, 2005-06-07 at 20:10 -0400, Andy Stewart wrote: >>-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >>Hash: SHA1 >> >>Baris Hasdemir wrote: >>>On Tue, 2005-06-07 at 19:14 -0400, Andy Stewart wrote: >>>>I'd rather not give up KDE, but I could try blackbox for a while to see >>>>what happens. >>>It might also worth to disable hardware acceleration support. For >>>example you can use nv instead of nvidia, for a while. >>> >>>baris >>HI Baris, >> >>Thanks for the tip, but my video card is an older one based on the ATI >>Radeon 7500. Not everything in this machine is new. >> >>Thanks, > > Are you using ati or radeon module? if using latter you have the > hardware acceleration support, if I recall correctly. > HI Baris, Hmmm, let me check. It appears that I'm using the radeon module. I'll make a note to try disabling hardware acceleration support for the video card. Thanks for the idea! Andy - -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA, USA http://www.wlug.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFCpl32Hl0iXDssISsRAuKKAJ9nkqIT8By9WV4h9htjaiy7Sb/KpACbBmwF jInvBZ/LKPzIlezoXl7Bc+k= =qs7r -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

June 8, 2005

Re: [Wlug] HOWTO debug hard lockups

by Baris Hasdemir

On Tue, 2005-06-07 at 20:10 -0400, Andy Stewart wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Baris Hasdemir wrote: > > On Tue, 2005-06-07 at 19:14 -0400, Andy Stewart wrote: > >>I'd rather not give up KDE, but I could try blackbox for a while to see > >>what happens. > > > > It might also worth to disable hardware acceleration support. For > > example you can use nv instead of nvidia, for a while. > > > > baris > > HI Baris, > > Thanks for the tip, but my video card is an older one based on the ATI > Radeon 7500. Not everything in this machine is new. > > Thanks, Are you using ati or radeon module? if using latter you have the hardware acceleration support, if I recall correctly. baris

June 8, 2005

Re: [Wlug] HOWTO debug hard lockups

by Andy Stewart

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Walt Sawyer wrote: > Andy, > Are you sure it's the hard drive? Try running Knoppix live CD for a > while. If it's still running after days(max uptime)+5, then perhaps > it's something else. > > If this message is redundant, ignore it! > Walt HI Walt, I have suffered from hard drive problems on previous systems, and in each of those cases, I had strange errors reported in the /var/log/messages file. That's not to say that a hard drive problem couldn't cause a lockup, but that hasn't been my past experience. With the lockups I'm currently seeing, I'm not seeing any error messages in the /var/log/messages file. At this point, I think anything and everything is suspect until proven otherwise. Thanks for the ideas! I'm jotting them all down. Andy - -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA, USA http://www.wlug.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFCpjjYHl0iXDssISsRAvQFAJ4w8Q4A5Ai25Se0pgkoKdYWo9AFcACdF3Q4 bC9BhLL4vESujGOMSsA4R2o= =+CpT -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

June 8, 2005

Re: [Wlug] HOWTO debug hard lockups

by Andy Stewart

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Baris Hasdemir wrote: > On Tue, 2005-06-07 at 19:14 -0400, Andy Stewart wrote: >>I'd rather not give up KDE, but I could try blackbox for a while to see >>what happens. > > It might also worth to disable hardware acceleration support. For > example you can use nv instead of nvidia, for a while. > > baris HI Baris, Thanks for the tip, but my video card is an older one based on the ATI Radeon 7500. Not everything in this machine is new. Thanks, Andy - -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA, USA http://www.wlug.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFCpjdrHl0iXDssISsRAoz4AJoCqnNFec1qMaYhLluDuyajGurPGQCfYbSi H4FuxFHjw6+5FVAfcaoWLjY= =3+wG -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

June 8, 2005

Re: [Wlug] HOWTO debug hard lockups

by Walt Sawyer

Andy, Are you sure it's the hard drive? Try running Knoppix live CD for a while. If it's still running after days(max uptime)+5, then perhaps it's something else. If this message is redundant, ignore it! Walt On Tue, 2005-06-07 at 19:19 -0400, Andy Stewart wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Jeff Moyer wrote: > > ==> Regarding [Wlug] HOWTO debug hard lockups; Andy Stewart <andystewart(a)comcast.net> adds: > > > > andystewart> HI gang, > > > > andystewart> My dual Opteron machine is not happy. I cannot get more than > > andystewart> 7 straight days of uptime without getting a hard lock, > > andystewart> requiring a reboot. (My definition of hard lock is: machine > > andystewart> responds neither to keyboard input, mouse input, nor network > > andystewart> pings). > > > > andystewart> I can stimulate hard locks by running OpenOffice 1.1.3 (I had > > andystewart> 3 tonight, and 3-4 on a previous occasion while running > > andystewart> OpenOffice). It makes no sense to me that an application run > > andystewart> as a normal user could lockup a machine. > > > > andystewart> I've tried setting "nmi_watchdog=1" to see if I could get an > > andystewart> "oops" when it hard locks - no dice. Do you know any other > > andystewart> tricks I could try to see if it is the kernel which is locking > > andystewart> up? I'm running SuSE's version of 2.6.8. > > > > Did you verify that NMIs are being delivered? After boot, cat > > /proc/interrupts and make sure the NMI line is non-zero. Also note that, > > at least with upstream and Red Hat kernels, the nmi_watchdog defaults to 1 > > for Opterons (i.e. you shouldn't need to manually set it). > > HI Jeff, > > Well, this is weird, I'm seeing a ZERO count for NMIs, so that makes me > think they are NOT being delivered. How would I go about solving *that* > little problem? I did a "cat /proc/cmdline" to insure that I had > "nmi_watchdog=1" and indeed it is there. Perhaps this is the clue we've > been seeking. > > > If the NMI watchdog works, it will print a message to the console. > > However, you will not see this if you are in X windows. Do you have a > > serial console hooked up, by any chance? I strongly suggest it if you have > > the means. > > I think I have a cable to which I could connect the serial port of the > Opteron to the serial port of another Linux box (and then use minicom or > some such terminal program). > > > > > Aside from this, if it is indeed a hard lockup, there is really nothing you > > can do (without purchasing other hardware to help debug the problem). > > Yeah, I was afraid of that. > > > > > Please give these suggestions a shot and let us know how it goes. > > Shall do - thanks, everybody! > > Oh, be advised that when you smash your fist on the keyboard after your > system locks up for the umpteenth time, that a lot of dead skin cells > will come flying upward out of the bowels of the keyboard. I would > recommend safety glasses. > > Later, > > Andy > > - -- > Andy Stewart, Founder > Worcester Linux Users' Group > Worcester, MA, USA > http://www.wlug.org > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > > iD8DBQFCpiuVHl0iXDssISsRAowjAJsHjggG0QsMPQ/H+2YQnzNZPtF9gQCfepvV > u6O8n+PSW4M0I1MHXsH06Xo= > =ViVg > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > --

June 8, 2005

Re: [Wlug] HOWTO debug hard lockups

by Baris Hasdemir

On Tue, 2005-06-07 at 19:14 -0400, Andy Stewart wrote: > I'd rather not give up KDE, but I could try blackbox for a while to see > what happens. It might also worth to disable hardware acceleration support. For example you can use nv instead of nvidia, for a while. baris

June 7, 2005

Re: [Wlug] HOWTO debug hard lockups

by Andy Stewart

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Jeff Moyer wrote: > ==> Regarding [Wlug] HOWTO debug hard lockups; Andy Stewart <andystewart(a)comcast.net> adds: > > andystewart> HI gang, > > andystewart> My dual Opteron machine is not happy. I cannot get more than > andystewart> 7 straight days of uptime without getting a hard lock, > andystewart> requiring a reboot. (My definition of hard lock is: machine > andystewart> responds neither to keyboard input, mouse input, nor network > andystewart> pings). > > andystewart> I can stimulate hard locks by running OpenOffice 1.1.3 (I had > andystewart> 3 tonight, and 3-4 on a previous occasion while running > andystewart> OpenOffice). It makes no sense to me that an application run > andystewart> as a normal user could lockup a machine. > > andystewart> I've tried setting "nmi_watchdog=1" to see if I could get an > andystewart> "oops" when it hard locks - no dice. Do you know any other > andystewart> tricks I could try to see if it is the kernel which is locking > andystewart> up? I'm running SuSE's version of 2.6.8. > > Did you verify that NMIs are being delivered? After boot, cat > /proc/interrupts and make sure the NMI line is non-zero. Also note that, > at least with upstream and Red Hat kernels, the nmi_watchdog defaults to 1 > for Opterons (i.e. you shouldn't need to manually set it). HI Jeff, Well, this is weird, I'm seeing a ZERO count for NMIs, so that makes me think they are NOT being delivered. How would I go about solving *that* little problem? I did a "cat /proc/cmdline" to insure that I had "nmi_watchdog=1" and indeed it is there. Perhaps this is the clue we've been seeking. > If the NMI watchdog works, it will print a message to the console. > However, you will not see this if you are in X windows. Do you have a > serial console hooked up, by any chance? I strongly suggest it if you have > the means. I think I have a cable to which I could connect the serial port of the Opteron to the serial port of another Linux box (and then use minicom or some such terminal program). > > Aside from this, if it is indeed a hard lockup, there is really nothing you > can do (without purchasing other hardware to help debug the problem). Yeah, I was afraid of that. > > Please give these suggestions a shot and let us know how it goes. Shall do - thanks, everybody! Oh, be advised that when you smash your fist on the keyboard after your system locks up for the umpteenth time, that a lot of dead skin cells will come flying upward out of the bowels of the keyboard. I would recommend safety glasses. Later, Andy - -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA, USA http://www.wlug.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFCpiuVHl0iXDssISsRAowjAJsHjggG0QsMPQ/H+2YQnzNZPtF9gQCfepvV u6O8n+PSW4M0I1MHXsH06Xo= =ViVg -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

June 7, 2005

Re: [Wlug] HOWTO debug hard lockups

by Andy Stewart

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Gary at home wrote: > Andy Stewart wrote: >>It makes no >>sense to me that an application run as a normal user could lockup a machine. > > Oh it's easy to crash a Linux machine with a fork-fest - any who can > fork a process can do it, so a rouge app can certainly do the same. > > What desktop are you running? I previously had similar problems with > Gnome on my Athlon XP under Gentoo that mysteriously stopped after a few > package updates...and I found no bug alerts for my symptoms at the time. > > Any chance you can run top or some other real-time system monitor when > the crash happens? > > -- Gary HI Gary, I am running KDE version 3.3.0 (SuSE 9.2). I could leave top running on a console to see if I can capture some useful info when the system locks up. I'll try that - thanks for the suggestion. I'd rather not give up KDE, but I could try blackbox for a while to see what happens. Thanks for the suggestions, Andy - -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA, USA http://www.wlug.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFCpipsHl0iXDssISsRAuPGAJ0T6JzfgqbGuWrB05uuJaPMohGytACeIbwJ mHYyFd2lDE8JbLQ4FAXC7Dk= =sdOC -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

June 7, 2005

Re: [Wlug] HOWTO debug hard lockups

by Andy Stewart

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Jeff Moyer wrote: > ==> Regarding Re: [Wlug] HOWTO debug hard lockups; "Chuck R. Anderson" <cra(a)WPI.EDU> adds: > > cra> On Sun, Jun 05, 2005 at 10:35:13PM -0400, Andy Stewart wrote: >>>I've tried setting "nmi_watchdog=1" to see if I could get an "oops" when >>>it hard locks - no dice. Do you know any other tricks I could try to >>>see if it is the kernel which is locking up? I'm running SuSE's version >>>of 2.6.8. > > cra> Have you enabled the kernel Magic SysRq key and tried typing that when > cra> it locks up? > > cra> sysctl -w kernel.sysrq = 1 > > cra> When it locks up: > > cra> Alt-SysRq-? for help, then try dumping the PC, Tasks, etc. You may > cra> even be able to do an Emergency RO Mount and Sync before doing a Boot. > > This requires that you are not in X windows at the time of the lockup. See > my other email in this thead. HI all, The damn thing locked up on me *again* this evening, while trying to reply to this thread. On every occasion, I have been in X windows at the time of the lockup. I am either actively working or the screen saver is running, and the system locks up sometime in the middle of the night. What I can do is leave X windows running, but switch to a console before going to bed. If it hangs in the night, will I then be able to use the Alt-SysReq key sequences to get debug info? Thanks! Andy - -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA, USA http://www.wlug.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFCpinZHl0iXDssISsRAvwdAJ96My0XChSA5+kGI8XxzULjy27RMQCfVvey aSEYIUzjrxzfhr38eAs6q7Q= =+3IF -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

June 7, 2005

Re: [Wlug] HOWTO debug hard lockups

by Andy Stewart

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 J Schonberg wrote: > > When the machine hung, did the num lock key still turn on and off the > led on the keyboard? If not, then other key sequences are probably > not working either. Is this a USB keyboard? > Hi Jason, I don't know if pressing the num lock key would cause the keyboard LED to toggle while the system is locked up. I'll try that next time the system locks. The keyboard is an old AT keyboard connected to my KVM switch, to which 3 other systems are connected via their keyboard/mouse connectors (not USB in any case). Andy - -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA, USA http://www.wlug.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFCpidEHl0iXDssISsRAr5LAJwLAKrL84fdZw39XaYAcYwM8dTvUQCfQLDW lVQltv7fJj7tWFmpXC6l1es= =364+ -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

June 7, 2005

Re: [Wlug] HOWTO debug hard lockups

by Gary＠home

Andy Stewart wrote: > It makes no > sense to me that an application run as a normal user could lockup a machine. Oh it's easy to crash a Linux machine with a fork-fest - any who can fork a process can do it, so a rouge app can certainly do the same. What desktop are you running? I previously had similar problems with Gnome on my Athlon XP under Gentoo that mysteriously stopped after a few package updates...and I found no bug alerts for my symptoms at the time. Any chance you can run top or some other real-time system monitor when the crash happens? -- Gary

June 7, 2005

Re: [Wlug] HOWTO debug hard lockups

by J Schonberg

--- Andy Stewart <andystewart(a)comcast.net> wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > > Hi Chuck et al, > > The machine just locked up again (and it is much cooler today than > yesterday). I wasn't running OpenOffice this time. I tried > alt-printscreen-? and nothing happened. I tried > alt-printscreen-anything and nothing happened. crl-alt-delete, > ctrl-alt-backspace - no keyboard input at all was recognized as far > as I > can tell. > When the machine hung, did the num lock key still turn on and off the led on the keyboard? If not, then other key sequences are probably not working either. Is this a USB keyboard? Jason. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

June 7, 2005

Re: [Wlug] HOWTO debug hard lockups

by Andy Stewart

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi Chuck et al, The machine just locked up again (and it is much cooler today than yesterday). I wasn't running OpenOffice this time. I tried alt-printscreen-? and nothing happened. I tried alt-printscreen-anything and nothing happened. crl-alt-delete, ctrl-alt-backspace - no keyboard input at all was recognized as far as I can tell. Also, I found a lot of entries about this MB on the MSI Forum and it seems that the temp sensors register about 15% higher that reality. gkrellm allows me to tweak the readings, so I did. An independent temperature measurement confirms that the onboard sensors are registering about 15% high, and that I'm not really frying my CPUs as I had thought. At idle, my CPUs are around 43 degrees C. This makes this issue all the more puzzling. Other thoughts? I'm about to fire up an all night run of memtest. Thanks, Andy - -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA, USA http://www.wlug.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFCpQp+Hl0iXDssISsRAnBYAJ9WZDDB0G/y6lL31aYJDYPfNHJe1QCdHkSf k1E6p2ayY5rGt/+Lamb0VzU= =w7NU -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

June 7, 2005

Re: [Wlug] Back issues of Linux Journal magazine available

by Mike Frysinger

On Monday 06 June 2005 08:10 pm, Andy Stewart wrote: > If nobody wants them by next Monday, I'll send them to recycling. who knows, maybe someone on ebay would want em ... throw em up for like a $1.00 :) -mike

June 7, 2005

Back issues of Linux Journal magazine available

by Andy Stewart

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 HI everybody, I am cleaning out a closet and have some back issues of Linux Journal magazine that I'd like to give to somebody who wants them. They are all in great shape, all have been read, and (for you collectors) most probably do not have the mail in subscription cards (I like to use those as bookmarks). Aug 1995 (issue 16) - Dec 1995 All issues from 1996 All issues from 1997, incl Buyer's Guide All issues from 1998, incl Buyer's Guide All issues from 1999, incl "Enterprise Solutions" supplement If nobody wants them by next Monday, I'll send them to recycling. I'd be happy to bring them to the next WLUG meeting if somebody specifically says they want them. Later, Andy - -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA, USA http://www.wlug.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFCpOXZHl0iXDssISsRApXfAJ9UODjZ7meFzPZ/YesyBbsKDPBlUgCeM8Pa Ovvq9jm+aPlUetgGUSG94pQ= =WsE0 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

June 7, 2005

Re: [Wlug] HOWTO debug hard lockups

by Andy Stewart

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Chuck R. Anderson wrote: > On Sun, Jun 05, 2005 at 10:35:13PM -0400, Andy Stewart wrote: >>I've tried setting "nmi_watchdog=1" to see if I could get an "oops" when >>it hard locks - no dice. Do you know any other tricks I could try to >>see if it is the kernel which is locking up? I'm running SuSE's version >>of 2.6.8. > > Have you enabled the kernel Magic SysRq key and tried typing that when > it locks up? > > sysctl -w kernel.sysrq = 1 > > When it locks up: > > Alt-SysRq-? for help, then try dumping the PC, Tasks, etc. You may > even be able to do an Emergency RO Mount and Sync before doing a Boot. > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > HI Chuck, That's a good idea which I've implemented per your suggestion. Now, I just have to wait for the next hang (hey, I could update the WLUG website with OpenOffice!). I'll keep you posted. Andy - -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA, USA http://www.wlug.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFCpMefHl0iXDssISsRAnEsAJ9bcbaboREGjDKodlg4QS/I3+UB1ACfZF6x yGYCi38pKMmFAUyrE89aEfA= =r3Kq -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

June 6, 2005

Re: [Wlug] HOWTO debug hard lockups

by Jeff Moyer

==> Regarding Re: [Wlug] HOWTO debug hard lockups; "Chuck R. Anderson" <cra(a)WPI.EDU> adds: cra> On Sun, Jun 05, 2005 at 10:35:13PM -0400, Andy Stewart wrote: >> I've tried setting "nmi_watchdog=1" to see if I could get an "oops" when >> it hard locks - no dice. Do you know any other tricks I could try to >> see if it is the kernel which is locking up? I'm running SuSE's version >> of 2.6.8. cra> Have you enabled the kernel Magic SysRq key and tried typing that when cra> it locks up? cra> sysctl -w kernel.sysrq = 1 cra> When it locks up: cra> Alt-SysRq-? for help, then try dumping the PC, Tasks, etc. You may cra> even be able to do an Emergency RO Mount and Sync before doing a Boot. This requires that you are not in X windows at the time of the lockup. See my other email in this thead. Also note that, due to no specific instances or facts to back up my statement, I don't like doing the 'Sync'. If the system is locked up, who is to say that you are going to write out valid data to the disk? I'd rather just reboot and let the journal recover things. -Jeff

June 6, 2005

Re: [Wlug] HOWTO debug hard lockups

by Jeff Moyer

==> Regarding [Wlug] HOWTO debug hard lockups; Andy Stewart <andystewart(a)comcast.net> adds: andystewart> HI gang, andystewart> My dual Opteron machine is not happy. I cannot get more than andystewart> 7 straight days of uptime without getting a hard lock, andystewart> requiring a reboot. (My definition of hard lock is: machine andystewart> responds neither to keyboard input, mouse input, nor network andystewart> pings). andystewart> I can stimulate hard locks by running OpenOffice 1.1.3 (I had andystewart> 3 tonight, and 3-4 on a previous occasion while running andystewart> OpenOffice). It makes no sense to me that an application run andystewart> as a normal user could lockup a machine. andystewart> I've tried setting "nmi_watchdog=1" to see if I could get an andystewart> "oops" when it hard locks - no dice. Do you know any other andystewart> tricks I could try to see if it is the kernel which is locking andystewart> up? I'm running SuSE's version of 2.6.8. Did you verify that NMIs are being delivered? After boot, cat /proc/interrupts and make sure the NMI line is non-zero. Also note that, at least with upstream and Red Hat kernels, the nmi_watchdog defaults to 1 for Opterons (i.e. you shouldn't need to manually set it). If the NMI watchdog works, it will print a message to the console. However, you will not see this if you are in X windows. Do you have a serial console hooked up, by any chance? I strongly suggest it if you have the means. Aside from this, if it is indeed a hard lockup, there is really nothing you can do (without purchasing other hardware to help debug the problem). Please give these suggestions a shot and let us know how it goes. Thanks! -Jeff

June 6, 2005

Re: [Wlug] HOWTO debug hard lockups

by Chuck R. Anderson

On Sun, Jun 05, 2005 at 10:35:13PM -0400, Andy Stewart wrote: > I've tried setting "nmi_watchdog=1" to see if I could get an "oops" when > it hard locks - no dice. Do you know any other tricks I could try to > see if it is the kernel which is locking up? I'm running SuSE's version > of 2.6.8. Have you enabled the kernel Magic SysRq key and tried typing that when it locks up? sysctl -w kernel.sysrq = 1 When it locks up: Alt-SysRq-? for help, then try dumping the PC, Tasks, etc. You may even be able to do an Emergency RO Mount and Sync before doing a Boot.

June 6, 2005

USB External DVD RW drive recommendations

by Andrew Robert

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi Everyone, I am looking at the possibility of getting an external USB DVD-RW drive but want to be sure on its compatibily to Linux, specifically Fedora Core 3. Does anyone have any recommendations as to what might be a good choice? - -- Thank you, Andrew Robert Systems Architect Information Technologies MFS Investment Management Phone: 617-954-5882 Pager: 781-945-1742 E-mail: arobert(a)mfs.com Linux User Number: #201204 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFCpAzG3PP5iSKX574RArBkAJ0Rf1x7rVih4pCMNYcpMFDWGIM8TgCgmfQj KqW2WL0gUGDDqflyUstow54= =JTsT -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

June 6, 2005

HOWTO debug hard lockups

by Andy Stewart

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 HI gang, My dual Opteron machine is not happy. I cannot get more than 7 straight days of uptime without getting a hard lock, requiring a reboot. (My definition of hard lock is: machine responds neither to keyboard input, mouse input, nor network pings). I can stimulate hard locks by running OpenOffice 1.1.3 (I had 3 tonight, and 3-4 on a previous occasion while running OpenOffice). It makes no sense to me that an application run as a normal user could lockup a machine. I've tried setting "nmi_watchdog=1" to see if I could get an "oops" when it hard locks - no dice. Do you know any other tricks I could try to see if it is the kernel which is locking up? I'm running SuSE's version of 2.6.8. It may also be the hardware itself which is locking up. I have suspected that I might have "warm" hardware and have taken steps to better cool the machine. One CPU runs at a high of 63 degrees C, while the other one runs at 58 degrees C both while running Seti@Home (which heats the CPUs a significant 5-10 degrees C versus idle). The cooler CPU has a Zalman 7000 series copper heatsink/fan combo, while the warmer CPU has an undersized block of metal and a small fan (thanks to the MB manufacturer MSI). AMD quotes a max operating temperature of 70 degress C, so although quite hot, I think I'm still within spec, but I'm uncomfortably close. The temperature on the surface of the SCSI hard drive is 95 degrees F. The room temperature is a balmy 85 degrees (hey, its New England in the summer time!). The machine has passed memtest many times. If it is a heat problem, I'm royally screwed when the real summer weather arrives. I want to install a better heat sink on CPU 2 (hence my previous email about a heat sink retaining bracket). Physical tolerances on this MB are really tough to satisfy (MSI K8T Master2 FAR). The heat sink tooling on the MB is for socket 478 even though the MB uses AMD opteron 244s (yes, this is quite bizarre, er, non-standard). If anybody has any ideas which might help, I'm all ears (as it were). Thanks! Andy - -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA, USA http://www.wlug.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFCo7ZhHl0iXDssISsRAoGWAJ4ttqZS2SSgdlGwdnSp6LNbzUmLaQCfbktB KWUM+7EQAu3jIIKbmdnDkZk= =aI/l -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

June 6, 2005

Seeking Socket 478 heat sink retaining bracket w/screws

by Andy Stewart

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 HI everybody, If anybody has this little plastic dohickey for holding the heat sink to the motherboard, and would like to get rid of it, I'm can use one of these for a socket 478 CPU. I am willing to buy you pizza/beer or give you bribe money to obtain one. I'll even trade you the last 5 Ubuntu Linux CDs I own if that's what it takes. :-) Since my MB has the screw threads, I don't think the dohickey with the plastic holding things will work for me, but the version with screws will work. Thanks in advance, Andy P.S. "dohickey" really is a word according to dictionary.com (it is synonymous with "thingamajig"). - -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA, USA http://www.wlug.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFCo7K/Hl0iXDssISsRAvx9AJ4/oh2XObmcpc2pedFNHGlmrYI4OgCfdgeU 9A0jpx2SVC6f8stSfLFH2nc= =rk+i -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

June 6, 2005

WLUG Website updated

by Andy Stewart

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 HI everybody, I've just updated the WLUG website to include the slides from the May 2005 WLUG talk about "Linux on Appliances" given by Jason Schonberg. I also noticed that the entire slides page was broken (it should be fixed now). Also, I posted many details about the June 2005 WLUG talk, to be given by Tim Keller. Check it out! Later, Andy - -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA, USA http://www.wlug.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFCo7DRHl0iXDssISsRAl9WAJ9HwXUaR22lKILHHL8mWyRhfLQD2ACeI8og RzsOQzRd2Ynhb3GWwX9MhxA= =IoeU -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

June 6, 2005

Re: [Wlug] Are any of us using Eclipse?

by Chuck Haines

I have it running on my FC3, gentoo and ubuntu boxes. I'd be happy to help if I can. Chuck On 5/30/05, Ken Jones <kjones(a)ziplink.net> wrote: > > I am having problems getting eclipse SDK working on my Fedora Core 3 > box. Is anyone running such a system? If so, I'd like to ask some > questions. > > Ken Jones > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > -- Chuck Haines chaines(a)gmail.com http://www.maxslack.com ------------------------------------------- Tau Kappa Epsilon Fraternity TKE-ZM Web Coordinator ECE Systems Administrator ------------------------------------------- AIM: CyberGrex YIM: CyberGrex_27 ICQ: 3707881 ------------------------------------------- GPG Fingerprint: 303A AB50 4EA9 70ED 2E30 2368 C9CD CCB5 4BD7 0989 GPG Key: http://www.maxslack.com/gpgkey.txt

June 2, 2005

Are any of us using Eclipse?

by Ken Jones

I am having problems getting eclipse SDK working on my Fedora Core 3 box. Is anyone running such a system? If so, I'd like to ask some questions. Ken Jones

May 30, 2005

Re: [Wlug] DNS question...

by Chuck R. Anderson

On Fri, May 27, 2005 at 03:10:41PM -0400, Keller, Tim wrote: > Quick question I can't seem to find a google answer on. > > I've got a machine that gets it's IP via DHCP. Now on our network, the > DNS name is pulled off the machine and auto registered. However this > machine won't push its domain name. Do you mean Dynamic DNS updates? > Any ideas where a) the setting for this might be b) any manual step you > can use to update the DNS name? > > I looked at the nsupdate command, but I'm not sure that's the right > command. nsupdate will allow you to manually generate DDNS update packets, but generally you allow the DHCP client to do this. Are you using ISC dhclient? I'm not sure if dhcpcd supports DDNS, and pump most likely does not. Check /etc/dhclient.conf and its manual page for DDNS settings. Also, the DHCP server can control who does the update, either the DHCP server or the DHCP client, depending on how it is configured. And, of course, the DNS server may not allow just anyone to do updates, or may require signed updates using TSIG or SIG0. In secure environments, often only the DHCP server is authorized to update the DNS server. > Talking with the network guy, he recalls there being a graphical tool > for Linux that would let you do this. Never heard of this.

May 27, 2005

DNS question...

by Keller, Tim

Quick question I can't seem to find a google answer on. I've got a machine that gets it's IP via DHCP. Now on our network, the DNS name is pulled off the machine and auto registered. However this machine won't push its domain name. Any ideas where a) the setting for this might be b) any manual step you can use to update the DNS name? I looked at the nsupdate command, but I'm not sure that's the right command. Talking with the network guy, he recalls there being a graphical tool for Linux that would let you do this. Thanks, Tim.

May 27, 2005

For Sale: Alpha PWS 600AU

by Phillip G Deneault

600mhz Alpha with 384megs of ram. On board sound and LAN. This is a REAL AU model, with the qlogic SCSI card and the powerstorm video card(in case you wanted to run OpenVMS). I would recommend using a different video card or using the serial console for anything BSD or Linux. I believe it has a 9 gig SCSI disk in it, but I've suplemented it with a 50gig IDE drive on the IDE chain. I've also replaced the IDE CD-ROM with an 68-pin SCSI CD-ROM(yes, thats right, 68-pin). I also have all the original docs with it. I was running FreeBSD 5.3 on it until a week ago when I upgraded the machine. Nice little hobby system. $200 bucks or best offer. If anyone has any questions, or wishes to haggle, please reply to me(and not the list, they hate that). Thanks, Phil

May 24, 2005

swappiness

by Chuck R. Anderson

We had a discussion about swappiness at the last meeting. Here's what my system defaults to: >cat /etc/fedora-release Fedora Core release 3 (Heidelberg) >cat /proc/sys/vm/swappiness 60 I don't see this being changed in any of the init scripts, so the default is most likely changed in the Fedora kernel from 100 to 60. If you want to tune it, you should be able to just stick this in /etc/sysctl.conf: vm.swappiness = <new value> Here is more information on what this is all about: http://kerneltrap.org/node/3000

May 23, 2005

Monitors all gone!

by Doug Mildram

doug> No more monitors to give away, etc. Sorry!

May 23, 2005

Re: [Wlug] Re: glut of 21" monitors

by dallas

i also would like a monitor. Where can I come and when? Thanks, Dallas ----- Original Message ----- From: "Norm Legare" <normlegare(a)yahoo.com> To: <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2005 9:15 PM Subject: [Wlug] Re: glut of 21" monitors > When and where can these be looked at? I'd be interested in a couple. > > Norm > > Message: 4 > > Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 16:19:04 -0400 > > From: Doug Mildram <doug.mildram(a)mindspeed.com> > > Subject: [Wlug] glut of 21" monitors > > To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > Message-ID: <20050517201904.GA15175(a)dogbert.westboro.mindspeed.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > > > doug> This may not have any appeal but : > > > > My Westborough MA office needs to give away quite a few (dozen or > > more) of > > > > 21" NEC Accusync 1999-2000 vintage > > or > > 21" ViewSonic G810 1997-1998 vintage > > > > Free and Good. (The Not-So-Good ones, I'll dispose of elsewhere. > > I won't dump fuzzy, burned-in, or bad ones into your > > hands. ) > > > > ==================== > > > > One final "gem" : There's a Frank ???? on this wlug list > > who I recall had a toshiba portege laptop: > > Sorry I never snagged your full name/addr! > > Need another Portege 71xx DVD/enet dock station? > > > > ================================================================ > > Doug Mildram Mindspeed Technologies > > 8 Technology Drive ( near EMC, 495 and route 9 ) > > Westborough, MA 01581 > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > === message truncated === > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. > http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.322 / Virus Database: 266.11.14 - Release Date: 5/20/2005 > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.322 / Virus Database: 266.11.14 - Release Date: 5/20/2005

May 21, 2005

RE: Wlug Digest, Vol 19, Issue 9 - 21" monitors

by albutler33＠netscape.net

wlug-request(a)mail.wlug.org wrote: >Send Wlug mailing list submissions to > wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > >To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > wlug-request(a)mail.wlug.org > > >You can reach the person managing the list at > wlug-owner(a)mail.wlug.org > > >When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >than "Re: Contents of Wlug digest..." > >Subject: Re: [Wlug] glut of 21" monitors >Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 20:21:19 -0400 >From: Frank Moody <fmoody-ug-wlug(a)moodman.org> >To: Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> > >On Tue, May 17, 2005 at 04:19:04PM -0400, Doug Mildram wrote: >> doug> This may not have any appeal but : >> >> My Westborough MA office needs to give away quite a few (dozen or more) of >> >> 21" NEC Accusync 1999-2000 vintage >> or >> 21" ViewSonic G810 1997-1998 vintage >> >> Free and Good. (The Not-So-Good ones, I'll dispose of elsewhere. >> I won't dump fuzzy, burned-in, or bad ones into your hands. ) >> Frank, Please reserve one of the good ones (free as in free beer) for me.I would like to pick it up before 12 noon tomorrow (Thursday 5-19) if I could.Otherwise I might not be able to come until Friday.Please tell me where in Westborough your company is located. Al Butler albutler33(a)netscape.net >> ==================== >> >> One final "gem" : There's a Frank ???? on this wlug list >> who I recall had a toshiba portege laptop: >> Sorry I never snagged your full name/addr! >> Need another Portege 71xx DVD/enet dock station? >> >> ================================================================ >> Doug Mildram Mindspeed Technologies ><SNIP> > > I think I'm the Frank with the portege (actually have two, 7200CTe >and a 7220CTe). Sure, I'll take the docking station, just let me know what >the part number is so I can confirm it is the right one. > > I'd also like a few of the 21"s, preferrably the G810s and matched >sets of two. I'd be interested in anywhere from one up to a half dozen of >them... Dual monitor setups are usually hard to upgrade on a limited >budget. *chuckle* > > Double luck since it looks like the Worcester Co-op will take donations > of whatever monitors get replaced... > > Now I just need to double check that the desk will take the new weight... > >Frank Moody > > > > > > >Subject: [Wlug] Share a Ride from Leominster? >Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 20:43:46 -0400 >From: Frank Moody <fmoody-ug-wlug(a)moodman.org> >To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > Anybody mind lending me a lift to the WLUG meeting Thursday from >Leominster? > >Frank >(Who is loving the situation of sorting out a registration paperwork error in >California from the other side of the country...) > > >Subject: [Wlug] Re: glut of 21" monitors >Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 18:15:55 -0700 (PDT) >From: Norm Legare <normlegare(a)yahoo.com> >To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > >When and where can these be looked at? I'd be interested in a couple. > >Norm >> Message: 4 >> Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 16:19:04 -0400 >> From: Doug Mildram <doug.mildram(a)mindspeed.com> >> Subject: [Wlug] glut of 21" monitors >> To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >> Message-ID: <20050517201904.GA15175(a)dogbert.westboro.mindspeed.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >> >> doug> This may not have any appeal but : >> >> My Westborough MA office needs to give away quite a few (dozen or >> more) of >> >> 21" NEC Accusync 1999-2000 vintage >> or >> 21" ViewSonic G810 1997-1998 vintage >> >> Free and Good. (The Not-So-Good ones, I'll dispose of elsewhere. >> I won't dump fuzzy, burned-in, or bad ones into your >> hands. ) >> >> ==================== >> >> One final "gem" : There's a Frank ???? on this wlug list >> who I recall had a toshiba portege laptop: >> Sorry I never snagged your full name/addr! >> Need another Portege 71xx DVD/enet dock station? >> >> ================================================================ >> Doug Mildram Mindspeed Technologies >> 8 Technology Drive ( near EMC, 495 and route 9 ) >> Westborough, MA 01581 >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >=== message truncated === > > > > > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. >http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail > > >Subject: [Wlug] Re: Wlug Digest, Vol 19, Issue 8 >Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 21:51:23 -0400 >From: joel d <joelgroup(a)gmail.com> >To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > >I would also like to get two of the 21" monitors if they are still left. > >Thanks, > >Joel Desrochers > > > > __________________________________________________________________ Switch to Netscape Internet Service. As low as $9.95 a month -- Sign up today at http://isp.netscape.com/register Netscape. Just the Net You Need. New! Netscape Toolbar for Internet Explorer Search from anywhere on the Web and block those annoying pop-ups. Download now at http://channels.netscape.com/ns/search/install.jsp

May 18, 2005

Re: Wlug Digest, Vol 19, Issue 8

by joel d

I would also like to get two of the 21" monitors if they are still left. Thanks, Joel Desrochers

May 18, 2005

Re: glut of 21" monitors

by Norm Legare

When and where can these be looked at? I'd be interested in a couple. Norm > Message: 4 > Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 16:19:04 -0400 > From: Doug Mildram <doug.mildram(a)mindspeed.com> > Subject: [Wlug] glut of 21" monitors > To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > Message-ID: <20050517201904.GA15175(a)dogbert.westboro.mindspeed.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > doug> This may not have any appeal but : > > My Westborough MA office needs to give away quite a few (dozen or > more) of > > 21" NEC Accusync 1999-2000 vintage > or > 21" ViewSonic G810 1997-1998 vintage > > Free and Good. (The Not-So-Good ones, I'll dispose of elsewhere. > I won't dump fuzzy, burned-in, or bad ones into your > hands. ) > > ==================== > > One final "gem" : There's a Frank ???? on this wlug list > who I recall had a toshiba portege laptop: > Sorry I never snagged your full name/addr! > Need another Portege 71xx DVD/enet dock station? > > ================================================================ > Doug Mildram Mindspeed Technologies > 8 Technology Drive ( near EMC, 495 and route 9 ) > Westborough, MA 01581 > > > > > ------------------------------ > === message truncated === __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail

May 18, 2005

Share a Ride from Leominster?

by Frank Moody

Anybody mind lending me a lift to the WLUG meeting Thursday from Leominster? Frank (Who is loving the situation of sorting out a registration paperwork error in California from the other side of the country...)

May 18, 2005

Re: [Wlug] glut of 21" monitors

by Frank Moody

On Tue, May 17, 2005 at 04:19:04PM -0400, Doug Mildram wrote: > doug> This may not have any appeal but : > > My Westborough MA office needs to give away quite a few (dozen or more) of > > 21" NEC Accusync 1999-2000 vintage > or > 21" ViewSonic G810 1997-1998 vintage > > Free and Good. (The Not-So-Good ones, I'll dispose of elsewhere. > I won't dump fuzzy, burned-in, or bad ones into your hands. ) > > ==================== > > One final "gem" : There's a Frank ???? on this wlug list > who I recall had a toshiba portege laptop: > Sorry I never snagged your full name/addr! > Need another Portege 71xx DVD/enet dock station? > > ================================================================ > Doug Mildram Mindspeed Technologies <SNIP> I think I'm the Frank with the portege (actually have two, 7200CTe and a 7220CTe). Sure, I'll take the docking station, just let me know what the part number is so I can confirm it is the right one. I'd also like a few of the 21"s, preferrably the G810s and matched sets of two. I'd be interested in anywhere from one up to a half dozen of them... Dual monitor setups are usually hard to upgrade on a limited budget. *chuckle* Double luck since it looks like the Worcester Co-op will take donations of whatever monitors get replaced... Now I just need to double check that the desk will take the new weight... Frank Moody

May 18, 2005

Find command -name

by Karl Hiramoto

Hi all I'm trying to use a command (anything but my best guess now is 'find'). I want to list files that end in the number 8-16 if they exist for example finding names 5-9 is easy: $ find /dev/vc -name [5-9] /dev/vc/9 /dev/vc/8 /dev/vc/7 /dev/vc/6 /dev/vc/5 I'm having problems though with numbers higher than 10. $ find /dev/vc -name [5-16] /dev/vc/6 I only get 6 back.. Any ideas? -thanks

May 17, 2005

Re: [Wlug] glut of 21" monitors

by Mike Leo

Ill snag a couple ViewSonics from you for dual monitoring... How/When can I (or any of us) get them from you? Thanks mike --- Doug Mildram <doug.mildram(a)mindspeed.com> wrote: > doug> This may not have any appeal but : > > My Westborough MA office needs to give away quite a > few (dozen or more) of > > 21" NEC Accusync 1999-2000 vintage > or > 21" ViewSonic G810 1997-1998 vintage > > Free and Good. (The Not-So-Good ones, I'll dispose > of elsewhere. > I won't dump fuzzy, burned-in, or bad > ones into your hands. ) > > ==================== > > One final "gem" : There's a Frank ???? on this > wlug list > who I recall had a toshiba > portege laptop: > Sorry I never snagged your full > name/addr! > Need another Portege 71xx DVD/enet > dock station? > > ================================================================ > Doug Mildram Mindspeed Technologies > 8 Technology Drive ( near EMC, 495 and > route 9 ) > Westborough, MA 01581 > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > Yahoo! Mail Stay connected, organized, and protected. Take the tour: http://tour.mail.yahoo.com/mailtour.html

May 17, 2005

REMINDER: Upcoming Meeting

by Andy Stewart

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 HI Everybody, The next WLUG meeting is coming up fast - Thursday, May 19th, at 7:00 PM in the Access Grid room on the WPI campus in Worcester, MA USA. Directions can be found on the WLUG website. At this meeting, our guest speaker will be Jason Schonberg. Jason will give us a talk about Linux on Appliances at this meeting. No, we're not talking about booting Linux on your coffee maker or toaster (or Christmas tree, Chuck). This talk will include a discussion of compiler and development issues for embedded systems. There will also be a demonstration involving the Cobalt Qube2. I'll bring the following items for free give-a-way: - Ubuntu Linux CDs (I still have about 30 of these) - pens from Linux Journal - corkscrews from CodeWeavers - yes, I'm cleaning up !! ...and these items for raffle: - Postal2 - Share the Pain - a video game for Linux http://www.runningwithscissors.com (I can't make it work on my machine) - a Softpro coffee mug Finally, we'll also be raffling off an IBM Netvista computer, with a Pentium III @ 933 MHz, 256 MB memory, CDRW, and DVD ROM. Keyboard and mouse included (no monitor). This machine is currently running Mandriva Linux 10.2 (aka LE2005). After the meeting, we'll go get some pizza. See ya there! Andy - -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA, USA http://www.wlug.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFCimWyHl0iXDssISsRApyeAJ996M9RQIaVAerhkoLu/xN4hQRw2gCeLMQi 4jg55TRdqznuHcO0XzPng44= =Lnyg -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

May 17, 2005

Re: [Wlug] glut of 21" monitors

by Patrick Sawyer

The Worcester computer Co-Op could use a few. We are running out of decent monitors. We will also give you a tax deduction for the amount they are worth. Patrick Sawyer WorcesterCoop.org <http://WorcesterCoop.org> On 5/17/05, Thomas Carey <tcarey70(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > > Count me in for a NEC monitor. I work real close to RT 9 in Northboro. > When is a good time swing by? > > Thanks, > > Tom Carey > > > > > >From: Doug Mildram <doug.mildram(a)mindspeed.com> > >Reply-To: Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> > >To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > >Subject: [Wlug] glut of 21" monitors > >Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 16:19:04 -0400 > > > >doug> This may not have any appeal but : > > > >My Westborough MA office needs to give away quite a few (dozen or more) > of > > > > 21" NEC Accusync 1999-2000 vintage > > or > > 21" ViewSonic G810 1997-1998 vintage > > > >Free and Good. (The Not-So-Good ones, I'll dispose of elsewhere. > > I won't dump fuzzy, burned-in, or bad ones into your hands. ) > > > >==================== > > > >One final "gem" : There's a Frank ???? on this wlug list > > who I recall had a toshiba portege laptop: > > Sorry I never snagged your full name/addr! > > Need another Portege 71xx DVD/enet dock station? > > > >================================================================ > >Doug Mildram Mindspeed Technologies > >8 Technology Drive ( near EMC, 495 and route 9 ) > >Westborough, MA 01581 > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Wlug mailing list > >Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > >http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > >

May 17, 2005

RE: [Wlug] glut of 21" monitors

by Thomas Carey

May 17, 2005

glut of 21" monitors

by Doug Mildram

doug> This may not have any appeal but : My Westborough MA office needs to give away quite a few (dozen or more) of 21" NEC Accusync 1999-2000 vintage or 21" ViewSonic G810 1997-1998 vintage Free and Good. (The Not-So-Good ones, I'll dispose of elsewhere. I won't dump fuzzy, burned-in, or bad ones into your hands. ) ==================== One final "gem" : There's a Frank ???? on this wlug list who I recall had a toshiba portege laptop: Sorry I never snagged your full name/addr! Need another Portege 71xx DVD/enet dock station? ================================================================ Doug Mildram Mindspeed Technologies 8 Technology Drive ( near EMC, 495 and route 9 ) Westborough, MA 01581

May 17, 2005

Re: [Wlug] Find command -name

by Jeff Moyer

==> Regarding [Wlug] Find command -name; Karl Hiramoto <karl(a)hiramoto.org> adds: karl> Hi all I'm trying to use a command (anything but my best guess now karl> is 'find'). karl> I want to list files that end in the number 8-16 if they exist karl> for example finding names 5-9 is easy: karl> $ find /dev/vc -name [5-9] /dev/vc/9 /dev/vc/8 /dev/vc/7 /dev/vc/6 karl> /dev/vc/5 karl> I'm having problems though with numbers higher than 10. karl> $ find /dev/vc -name [5-16] /dev/vc/6 karl> I only get 6 back.. karl> Any ideas? There are about a billion different ways to do this, and everyone you talk to will do it differently, I'd bet. For starters, this should work: find /dev/vc | grep -E "*([5-9]|1[0-6])" You should take a look at the regex(7) man page. -Jeff

May 17, 2005

Re: [Wlug] Find command -name

by Theo Van Dinter

On Tue, May 17, 2005 at 07:24:08PM -0400, Karl Hiramoto wrote: > I want to list files that end in the number 8-16 if they exist > > I'm having problems though with numbers higher than 10. > > $ find /dev/vc -name [5-16] > /dev/vc/6 > > I only get 6 back.. > > Any ideas? Yeah. [...] indicates a character list, not numbers. So [5-16] means "all characters between ASCII value of '5' and ASCII value of '1' (none, you'd want 1-5, it doesn't work in reverse), and ASCII value of '6'. There's no logic about numbers in globs that I know of, so you have to work this as 5-9 and 10-16. Something like this ought to work: find /dev/vc -name "*[^0-9][5-9]" -o -name "*[^0-9]1[0-6]" -- Randomly Generated Tagline: Look both ways before you cross the network.

May 17, 2005

Re: [Wlug] Partition Question

by Jeff Moyer

==> Regarding Re: [Wlug] Partition Question; "James P. Gray" <gray_james(a)dwc.edu> adds: gray_james> Partition types are sometimes used by operating systems and gray_james> utilities to determine the type of a file system. The Linux gray_james> kernel likely uses another means of determining if a swap gray_james> partition is really swap. But it may simply assume that it is gray_james> swap. It does not assume a partition (or file) is swap; it checks for the swap header: if (!memcmp("SWAP-SPACE",swap_header->magic.magic,10)) swap_header_version = 1; else if (!memcmp("SWAPSPACE2",swap_header->magic.magic,10)) swap_header_version = 2; else { printk("Unable to find swap-space signature\n"); error = -EINVAL; goto bad_swap; } -Jeff

May 12, 2005

Re: [Wlug] Using SAMBA as a PDC

by Robert Schwein

Frankly it's been my sad experience that any vendor that has spent so much money into making anything so proprietary, and you WANT to stay with it (M$ directory) then it's likely it will be more reliable (and likely intentionally designed to ONLY be) delivered on that vendor's own proprietary server OS. However, had you considered introducing a different Directory Service, then your options would have been very broad indeed. Bob Chuck Noyes wrote: > Hi all, > > At work, there are several workstations and servers (about 15) running > Win2k, Win2k Server, > and WinXP. I also have a server running SuSE 9.1 that has Samba 3.0.4 > installed. > I'm wondering if anyone out there has used Samba as a Primary Domain > Controller > in a Windows environment? Can Samba be used as a BDC (Backup Domain > Controller)? > > What are the pit-falls? ... Any "war" stories? ... Advice?? > > Thanks, > -Chuck > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > >

May 12, 2005

Re: [Wlug] Using SAMBA as a PDC

by Mike Leo

Ill throw in with this. I actually started to reply earlier but didn't want to start anything. but yes, I love linux, but it will never emulate proprietary MS functions better than MS. You have a w2k server, just promote it to a dc and go home. now give me my change from my .02 cents! --- Keith Wright <kwright(a)free-comp-shop.com> wrote: > > From: Chuck Haines <chaines(a)gmail.com> > > > > As much as I'm gonna get land blasted for > suggesting it, > > Actually, I think it would be more fun to lambaste > you for > your goofy spelling. I reserve my land blaster for > SUVs > that block my view. > > > Just my $0.02, please don't flame me for > suggesting M$ > > Let MS be it's own punishment. > > "It just barely works." > > -- Keith > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > Yahoo! Mail Stay connected, organized, and protected. Take the tour: http://tour.mail.yahoo.com/mailtour.html

May 12, 2005

Re: [Wlug] Using SAMBA as a PDC

by Keith Wright

> From: Chuck Haines <chaines(a)gmail.com> > > As much as I'm gonna get land blasted for suggesting it, Actually, I think it would be more fun to lambaste you for your goofy spelling. I reserve my land blaster for SUVs that block my view. > Just my $0.02, please don't flame me for suggesting M$ Let MS be it's own punishment. "It just barely works." -- Keith

May 12, 2005

Re: [Wlug] Using SAMBA as a PDC

by Chuck Haines

As much as I'm gonna get land blasted for suggesting it, if they are windows machines, use a windows PDC. I've used a Samba PDC for a couple years and am switching over to M$ right now. It's a pain at first, but once you see the benefits and ease, you'll ask yourself why you never did it before. Just my $0.02, please don't flame me for suggesting M$ On 5/11/05, Chuck Noyes <vze284qe(a)verizon.net> wrote: > > Hi all, > > At work, there are several workstations and servers (about 15) running > Win2k, Win2k Server, > and WinXP. I also have a server running SuSE 9.1 that has Samba 3.0.4 > installed. > I'm wondering if anyone out there has used Samba as a Primary Domain > Controller > in a Windows environment? Can Samba be used as a BDC (Backup Domain > Controller)? > > What are the pit-falls? ... Any "war" stories? ... Advice?? > > Thanks, > -Chuck > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > -- Chuck Haines chaines(a)gmail.com http://www.maxslack.com ------------------------------------------- Tau Kappa Epsilon Fraternity TKE-ZM Web Coordinator ECE Systems Administrator ------------------------------------------- AIM: CyberGrex YIM: CyberGrex_27 ICQ: 3707881 ------------------------------------------- GPG Fingerprint: 303A AB50 4EA9 70ED 2E30 2368 C9CD CCB5 4BD7 0989 GPG Key: http://www.maxslack.com/gpgkey.txt

May 12, 2005

Re: [Wlug] Partition Question

by James P. Gray

Partition types are sometimes used by operating systems and utilities to determine the type of a file system. The Linux kernel likely uses another means of determining if a swap partition is really swap. But it may simply assume that it is swap. Info on partitions and partition types: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Partition/ I found some good information on partitions and memory management here, but no details on why specific partition types are used: http://tldp.org/LDP/sag/html/index.html Eric Martin wrote: > I know that partition types do something, as there are windows hidden > partition types which are different from the standard windows > partition types. Other than that I'm as curious as you. > > On 5/10/05, *Arturo* <sedoa(a)raytheon.com <mailto:sedoa@raytheon.com>> > wrote: > > Hi all, > I have a bunch of linux boxes that have the swap partitions that > are not > of type swap. They are type linux. The OS seems to be swapping > just fine > on this partition type. > > Some machines have swap partition that look like this from fdisk > > /dev/hda6 50810 52890 1048792+ 82 Linux swap > > Other machines have swap partitions that look like this. > > /dev/hda6 50810 52890 1048792+ 83 Linux > > Does anyone have experience with why it would or wouldn't cause > issues? > Does anyone know what it means to have a partition of type x or y? Is > there a difference or is having a partition type mostly there for > humans. > I would have thought that the partition just defined the limits. > Everything else depends on what you do with the partition as far as > formatting and defining inodes/FATs and labels... > > Any ideas? > > Thanks, > > Arturo > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org <mailto:Wlug@mail.wlug.org> > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >Wlug mailing list >Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > >

May 12, 2005

Re: [Wlug] Using SAMBA as a PDC

by Jared Greenwald

The official samba how-to is really good, you might want to take a look at it... http://us3.samba.org/samba/docs/man/Samba-Guide/ The HOWTO by Example goes through a number of scenarios and explains how to setup servers to fit specific needs (inculding CUPS and LDAP)... -Jared On 5/11/05, Chuck Noyes <vze284qe(a)verizon.net> wrote: > Hi all, > > At work, there are several workstations and servers (about 15) running > Win2k, Win2k Server, > and WinXP. I also have a server running SuSE 9.1 that has Samba 3.0.4 > installed. > I'm wondering if anyone out there has used Samba as a Primary Domain > Controller > in a Windows environment? Can Samba be used as a BDC (Backup Domain > Controller)? > > What are the pit-falls? ... Any "war" stories? ... Advice?? > > Thanks, > -Chuck > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

May 11, 2005

Using SAMBA as a PDC

by Chuck Noyes

Hi all, At work, there are several workstations and servers (about 15) running Win2k, Win2k Server, and WinXP. I also have a server running SuSE 9.1 that has Samba 3.0.4 installed. I'm wondering if anyone out there has used Samba as a Primary Domain Controller in a Windows environment? Can Samba be used as a BDC (Backup Domain Controller)? What are the pit-falls? ... Any "war" stories? ... Advice?? Thanks, -Chuck

May 11, 2005

Yet Another Perl Conference final details

by Gerard Lim

Hi everyone... This email could be of interest to people interested in the Perl programming language. I know that in Toronto there is a good-sized overlap between Linux people and Perl people (we occasionally hold "joint sessions" of our user group meetings) so we hoped to share this information with Linux folks more widely. There have been some recent developments on the YAPC::NA front, and it has been suggested to us that a reminder might be helpful to some people, so here's a quick summary of the event. Summary ------- YAPC::NA 2005 (Yet Another Perl Conference, North America) in Toronto, Canada, Monday - Wednesday 27 - 29 June, 2005 Home page: http://yapc.org/America/ Conference Location: http://89chestnut.com/ A facility of the University of Toronto Accommodations -------------- Normally registration information would come first, but accommodations are the bottleneck -- our main group reservation (at the conference hotel) expires at the end of the week, and as the conference approaches it will be extremely difficult to find a hotel anywhere in the city. Info on how to book at: http://yapc.org/America/accommodations-2005.shtml Registration ------------ Register now! :-) We are on track to break attendance records at YAPC::NA this year, and we could even sell out before the conference starts. The price for the full 3 days is USD$85. We keep it insanely low through many generous sponsorships and the all-volunteer organizational and speaking crews. Registration info: http://yapc.org/America/register-2005.shtml Direct registration link: http://donate.perlfoundation.org/index.pl?node=registrant%20info&conference… Conference Speaking Schedule ---------------------------- We've got an excellent selection of talks and speakers for Perl programmers of all levels, beginner through expert. We are fortunate enough to have presentations coming from some of the most recognizable names in Perl programming today, including Larry Wall, Chip Salzenberg, Dan Sugalski, Autrijus Tang and brian d foy. Summary -- http://yapc.org/America/schedule-2005/summary.html Day 1 -- http://yapc.org/America/schedule-2005/day1.html Day 2 -- http://yapc.org/America/schedule-2005/day2.html Day 3 -- http://yapc.org/America/schedule-2005/day3.html Lightning Talks --------------- These short (5 minutes each) talks, presented by the conference attendees, are a YAPC tradition. If you're interested please read more about them and sign up: http://www.justanotherperlhacker.org/lightning/ [ This message was sent by Gerard Lim <glim(a)mycybernet.net> on behalf of the YAPC::NA 2005 Conference organizing committee of the Toronto Perl Mongers. Thanks for your patience and support. ]

May 11, 2005

Re: [Wlug] Partition Question

by Eric Martin

I know that partition types do something, as there are windows hidden partition types which are different from the standard windows partition types. Other than that I'm as curious as you. On 5/10/05, Arturo <sedoa(a)raytheon.com> wrote: > > Hi all, > I have a bunch of linux boxes that have the swap partitions that are not > of type swap. They are type linux. The OS seems to be swapping just fine > on this partition type. > > Some machines have swap partition that look like this from fdisk > > /dev/hda6 50810 52890 1048792+ 82 Linux swap > > Other machines have swap partitions that look like this. > > /dev/hda6 50810 52890 1048792+ 83 Linux > > Does anyone have experience with why it would or wouldn't cause issues? > Does anyone know what it means to have a partition of type x or y? Is > there a difference or is having a partition type mostly there for > humans. > I would have thought that the partition just defined the limits. > Everything else depends on what you do with the partition as far as > formatting and defining inodes/FATs and labels... > > Any ideas? > > Thanks, > > Arturo > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

May 10, 2005