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Re: [Wlug] kernel driver vs module

by John Stoffel

Mike> I understand a kernel driver, is a driver that Linus, et al, Mike> have coded into the kernel, so if i have a peice of hardware, Mike> and I compile a kernel with that device's driver turned on, then Mike> my device will work. Mike> If i build that kernel driver as a module, the driver remains Mike> outside the kernel, but still availible for use. As a module I Mike> can rmmod or insmod when i need to use the device. You're mixing up two different things. Almost all drivers which are shipped with the linux kernel can be compiled in one of two ways: into the kernel, or as a module which can be loaded/unloaded at run-time. So if you have a driver and compile it into the kernel, you should see some output from 'dmesg' showing you what was deteced on bootup of the kernel. Mike> My foggy'ness comes from a few things. Mike> 1. if the driver is built into the kernel, will it show up in lsmod? No, because lsmod only shows loaded modules, not modules which are available for loading. It also doesn't show up drivers which are compiled into the kernel directly. Mike> 2. if the driver does not show up in lsmod, how do i know if Mike> its loaded? Check the output of the 'dmesg' command after a full reboot with your driver. You should at least see something about that driver, whether or not it detects any devices. Mike> 3. weather it's a built in driver or a module, how do i Mike> associate the driver (or module) with a particular device? It depends on the driver, but generally they go by PCI device ID to determine which hardware they can access. Mike> 4. if the device does not have a driver in the kernel, I cannot Mike> build a custom kernel to include it, nor can I build it as a Mike> module from the kernel source. So: This makes no sense here. Of course you can build a custom kernel with a driver shipped outside of the normal linux kernel. Mike> 5. if I get the driver from the vendor, it will build a module Mike> for me, based on my kernel-source or kernel-headers??? Then Mike> what? again, see #3: how do i associate the module with my Mike> device? If you are given vendor provided driver, you can have several issues to address here. One, it needs to match your running kernel image if it's a completely binary only module. Not a great idea in my book. If there is a binary core, but an source code wrapper section, then you'll need to compile the module against the installed kernel's headers. Not hard, the vendor should go into all these details. Mike> This is a general linux quandry, but this time i have a debian Mike> stable install and have inserted a QLogic HBA. lsmod does show Mike> qla2xxx, but it doesn't seem to be functioning as it isn't Mike> logging into the fiber switch. Check the output of 'dmesg' and see what it says. You might need to check the logs on the switch as well to make sure that you're allowing the system holding the adapter is bringing it online and that the switch is seeing it try to login. Feel free to post details and such here, the more the better! John

July 10, 2006

Re: [Wlug] CD drawer remains open

by mlong＠datalong.com

> Try booting from a live cd (knoppix, gentoo, ubuntu) and see if it > behaves the same way. If it does, it's hardware (which is my guess). > If not, it's software. Thanks for the hint. This is a production server so I will try this the next time it is taken offline for service.

July 10, 2006

Re: [Wlug] kernel driver vs module

by Theo Van Dinter

On Mon, Jul 10, 2006 at 08:13:36AM -0700, Mike Leo wrote: > My foggy'ness comes from a few things. > 1. if the driver is built into the kernel, will it show up in lsmod? No, because it's not a module. > 2. if the driver does not show up in lsmod, how do i know if its loaded? That largely depends on what it is, though generally you'll see related entries under /proc. If it's a filesystem for instance, you will see it listed under /proc/filesystems. > 3. weather it's a built in driver or a module, how do i associate the driver (or module) with a > particular device? That depends on the driver. Most drivers are able to find their devices automatically. Others require kernel/module parameters to specify port, etc. > 4. if the device does not have a driver in the kernel, I cannot build a custom kernel to include > it, nor can I build it as a module from the kernel source. So: > 5. if I get the driver from the vendor, it will build a module for me, based on my kernel-source > or kernel-headers??? Then what? again, see #3: how do i associate the module with my device? It will definitely need kernel-source or kernel-headers, whichever your distro uses. You'll end up with a compiled module (name.o). I haven't actually dealt with adding modules in ages, but as I recall you put the resulting module file under /lib/modules/... appropriately (/lib/modules/`uname -r`/misc ?) and run "depmod -a". At this point the module should be all set. There's probably docs from the vendor as well. > This is a general linux quandry, but this time i have a debian stable install and have inserted a > QLogic HBA. lsmod does show qla2xxx, but it doesn't seem to be functioning as it isn't logging > into the fiber switch. Does the card show up in dmesg output / if you rmmod and then modprobe the module, do you see the card information? I never had to do anything special to get the HBA module (also Qlogic) loaded up and logged into the fabric as far as I can recall anyway. -- Randomly Generated Tagline: "I have not put in a single line of code into BIND 9. And I hope that's not why it's a thing of beauty." - Paul Vixie at LISA '99

July 10, 2006

Re: [Wlug] kernel driver vs module

by Jeff Moyer

==> Regarding [Wlug] kernel driver vs module; Mike Leo <mleo963(a)yahoo.com> adds: mleo963> I am still having a hard time understanding kernel drivers vs mleo963> module's in practical use: I understand a kernel driver, is a mleo963> driver that Linus, et al, have coded into the kernel, so if i have mleo963> a peice of hardware, and I compile a kernel with that device's mleo963> driver turned on, then my device will work. mleo963> If i build that kernel driver as a module, the driver remains mleo963> outside the kernel, but still availible for use. As a module I mleo963> can rmmod or insmod when i need to use the device. mleo963> My foggy'ness comes from a few things. mleo963> 1. if the driver is built into the kernel, will it show up in lsmod? No. mleo963> 2. if the driver does not show up in lsmod, how do i know if its mleo963> loaded? dmesg mleo963> 3. weather it's a built in driver or a module, how do i associate mleo963> the driver (or module) with a particular device? It's done for you, via built-in PCI id mappings. mleo963> 4. if the device does not have a driver in the kernel, I cannot mleo963> build a custom kernel to include it, nor can I build it as a mleo963> module from the kernel source. So: This isn't a question... ;) mleo963> 5. if I get the driver from the vendor, it will build a module mleo963> for me, based on my kernel-source or kernel-headers??? Then what? mleo963> again, see #3: how do i associate the module with my device? Vendor modules come in 2 flavors: binary only, and not binary only. ;) In the former case, you'll likely have to run the kernel version against which they built the module. In the latter case, yes, you can build the module out of tree, and then insmod it. Again, PCI id's on the card are matched to those supported by the driver. mleo963> This is a general linux quandry, but this time i have a debian mleo963> stable install and have inserted a QLogic HBA. lsmod does show mleo963> qla2xxx, but it doesn't seem to be functioning as it isn't logging mleo963> into the fiber switch. What does the dmesg output show? -Jeff

July 10, 2006

kernel driver vs module

by Mike Leo

I am still having a hard time understanding kernel drivers vs module's in practical use: I understand a kernel driver, is a driver that Linus, et al, have coded into the kernel, so if i have a peice of hardware, and I compile a kernel with that device's driver turned on, then my device will work. If i build that kernel driver as a module, the driver remains outside the kernel, but still availible for use. As a module I can rmmod or insmod when i need to use the device. My foggy'ness comes from a few things. 1. if the driver is built into the kernel, will it show up in lsmod? 2. if the driver does not show up in lsmod, how do i know if its loaded? 3. weather it's a built in driver or a module, how do i associate the driver (or module) with a particular device? 4. if the device does not have a driver in the kernel, I cannot build a custom kernel to include it, nor can I build it as a module from the kernel source. So: 5. if I get the driver from the vendor, it will build a module for me, based on my kernel-source or kernel-headers??? Then what? again, see #3: how do i associate the module with my device? This is a general linux quandry, but this time i have a debian stable install and have inserted a QLogic HBA. lsmod does show qla2xxx, but it doesn't seem to be functioning as it isn't logging into the fiber switch. thanks mike

July 10, 2006

kernel driver vs module

by Mike Leo

I am still having a hard time understanding kernel drivers vs module's in practical use: I understand a kernel driver, is a driver that Linus, et al, have coded into the kernel, so if i have a peice of hardware, and I compile a kernel with that device's driver turned on, then my device will work. If i build that kernel driver as a module, the driver remains outside the kernel, but still availible for use. As a module I can rmmod or insmod when i need to use the device. My foggy'ness comes from a few things. 1. if the driver is built into the kernel, will it show up in lsmod? 2. if the driver does not show up in lsmod, how do i know if its loaded? 3. weather it's a built in driver or a module, how do i associate the driver (or module) with a particular device? 4. if the device does not have a driver in the kernel, I cannot build a custom kernel to include it, nor can I build it as a module from the kernel source. So: 5. if I get the driver from the vendor, it will build a module for me, based on my kernel-source or kernel-headers??? Then what? again, see #3: how do i associate the module with my device? This is a general linux quandry, but this time i have a debian stable install and have inserted a QLogic HBA. lsmod does show qla2xxx, but it doesn't seem to be functioning as it isn't logging into the fiber switch. thanks mike

July 10, 2006

Re: [Wlug] CD drawer remains open

by Eric Martin

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Try booting from a live cd (knoppix, gentoo, ubuntu) and see if it behaves the same way. If it does, it's hardware (which is my guess). If not, it's software. Michael Long wrote: > Hi All, > > I have a system where the cd drive insists on keeping the drawer open. I > will close the drawer manually by pushing the button that closes it. > Within seconds the door will open again. What would cause this? > > Thanks > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFEr74/aI8VEtSi4H8RAh1fAJ9R6lUvWpnZRioD3jGH7p/k1KNkvQCfX5vK V8ePu9s8dO7ke2PFP4zyh5g= =Lmtq -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

July 8, 2006

CD drawer remains open

by Michael Long

Hi All, I have a system where the cd drive insists on keeping the drawer open. I will close the drawer manually by pushing the button that closes it. Within seconds the door will open again. What would cause this? Thanks

July 8, 2006

looking for an old amd cpu

by Mike Leo

greetings! I burnt out an amd CPU (my own fault of course...we all know how wonderful AMD chips are!)and am looking for a cheap replacement. It is for this motherboard: http://www.giga-byte.com/Products/Motherboard/Products_Spec.aspx?ClassValue… The current cpu is model AXDA2000DUT3C AMD Athlon, most likely http://www.cpu-world.com/CPUs/K7/AMD-Athlon%20XP%202000+%20-%20AXDA2000DUT3… however, if anyone has a replacement cpu that fits this motherboard and is willing to part with it, please let me know. Performance is not an issue, but working is a must! thanks mike

July 6, 2006

Re: [Wlug] Wlug Digest, Vol 32, Issue 20

by David Hardy

> Here's the link to the Night Life program site in Worcester: http://www.wpsweb.com/adulted/default.htm Lots of neat courses for many years now... Thanks Andy. Please send me a link to "Night Life." I did a google > search on that and "Worcester" but got a ton of stuff about bars! > > Doug > > Hi Doug, > > > > Since you cc'd the list, it should appear in the digest shortly. If it > > does not, please let me know and I'll investigate. > > > > I believe that the Night Life program in Worcester offers a class in > > Linux, taught by a WLUG member. However, I don't know what Night Life's > > policy is regarding a student's age. In addition, The Town of > > Chelmsford has a Community Education program which offers Linux classes > > (taught by another WLUG member), but that's probably too far away for > you. > > > > Finally, you're always welcome to attend a WLUG meeting in Worcester. > > We're open to all ages and ability levels. Keep an eye on the meeting > > postings in case something of interest comes along. > > > > Later, > > > > Andy > > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > End of Wlug Digest, Vol 32, Issue 20 > ************************************ >

June 30, 2006

Re: [Wlug] Wlug Digest, Vol 32, Issue 16

by d.maly＠ieee.org

Thanks Andy. Please send me a link to "Night Life." I did a google search on that and "Worcester" but got a ton of stuff about bars! Doug > Hi Doug, > > Since you cc'd the list, it should appear in the digest shortly. If it > does not, please let me know and I'll investigate. > > I believe that the Night Life program in Worcester offers a class in > Linux, taught by a WLUG member. However, I don't know what Night Life's > policy is regarding a student's age. In addition, The Town of > Chelmsford has a Community Education program which offers Linux classes > (taught by another WLUG member), but that's probably too far away for you. > > Finally, you're always welcome to attend a WLUG meeting in Worcester. > We're open to all ages and ability levels. Keep an eye on the meeting > postings in case something of interest comes along. > > Later, > > Andy >

June 29, 2006

Re: [Wlug] tutor / newbie

by Tim Keller

I live in Leominster right off of Rt 2. I guess the next question is, what kind of tutoring would it be? On 6/21/06, Chuck Noyes <vze284qe(a)verizon.net> wrote: > > I'm just down the street from you. Perhaps I can help. > > -Chuck > > > d.maly(a)ieee.org wrote: > > Yes, am looking for a tutor to teach in my home. > > > > I'm in Holden -- going north on 31 towards Wachusett. > > > > My son is 13 ... and his friends don't talk much about PCs ... except > > that they seem to be active IM-ers. > > > > Doug > >> Hi Doug, > >> > >> The way I read your email, I think you're looking for a human being to > >> tutor a teenage Linux newbie. True? Would this be relatively close to > >> Worcester? Does this teenage Linux newbie have teenage friends who > also > >> share an interest in Linux? > >> > >> Thanks, > >> > >> Andy > >> > >> -- > >> Andy Stewart, Founder > >> Worcester Linux Users' Group > >> Worcester, MA, USA > >> http://www.wlug.org > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > > Wlug mailing list > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > -- I am leary of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

June 27, 2006

Mobile Phone

by mlong＠datalong.com

I am currently looking to purchase a mobile phone where I can edit open office documents, sync with my linux desktop, connect to the internet, create an access point and of course make phone calls. Has anyone had any experience with the linux based devices that are currently available or am I better off looking at some of the other os's. Thanks, Mike

June 23, 2006

Re: [Wlug] [Fwd: Re: Tutor / irc / newbie]

by Eric Martin

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Unfortunately I'm not teaching that class right now as I'm going back to school myself. Is there anything in specific he's interested in? Andy Stewart wrote: > d.maly(a)ieee.org wrote: >>> Andy, >>> >>> I also sent this message to WLUG but didn't see it in the > Digest. Would >>> like to see it included because it has more detailed info. >>> >>> Thanks, Doug > > Hi Doug, > > Since you cc'd the list, it should appear in the digest shortly. > If it does not, please let me know and I'll investigate. > > I believe that the Night Life program in Worcester offers a class > in Linux, taught by a WLUG member. However, I don't know what > Night Life's policy is regarding a student's age. In addition, The > Town of Chelmsford has a Community Education program which offers > Linux classes (taught by another WLUG member), but that's probably > too far away for you. > > Finally, you're always welcome to attend a WLUG meeting in > Worcester. We're open to all ages and ability levels. Keep an eye > on the meeting postings in case something of interest comes along. > > Later, > > Andy > >>> -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: Tutor / irc >>> / newbie Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 13:07:10 -0400 From: >>> d.maly(a)ieee.org <d_maly(a)charter.net> To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >>> References: >>> <mailman.1.1150819203.28678.wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> >>> >>> >>> >>> The tutor is for my son. I have managed to keep our two > computers up to >>> date -- am now running Ubuntu 6.04. I want to teach more to my >>> > son, but >>> am getting beyond my abilities. I have some administrative >>> work > ... I >>> need to share resources, find some drivers ... then move onto > setting up >>> an email server. From there I have some applications I want to >>> start setting up, like a video editor and ham radio apps. >>> >>> Thanks for the links, they are new to me. >>> >>> I had problems with IRC, which I have not used before. I made >>> it to http://freenode.net/faq.shtml I got NickServ to look like >>> it was alive in GAIM. However, in the previous link, the >>> section about registering said this: Register your IRC nick: >>> >>> */msg nickserv register <your-password>* >>> >>> and I don't know what to do with this. Can you send this to >>> NickServ through GAIM?? Also, the command seems to be >>> registering a > nickname ... >>> but the register command is followed only by a password ... no > mention >>> of username/nickname. >>> >>> Thanks, Doug >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> >>>> Message: 2 Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 11:32:17 -0700 (PDT) From: >>>> Mike Leo <mleo963(a)yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [Wlug] Tutor for >>>> Teenager To: Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> >>>> Message-ID: >>>> <20060619183217.36816.qmail(a)web51309.mail.yahoo.com> >>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 >>>> >>>> are you the newbie? >>>> >>>> not sure what you are looking for, but >>> http://rute.2038bug.com/index.html.gz is a good read. >>> >>>> I also hang out at www.justlinux.com, and irc.freenode.net > #justlinux >>> and irc.oftc.net >>> >>>> #penguinslair. >>>> >>>> many people will also stear you towards www.google.com/linux >>>> as > well as >>> http://forums.gentoo.org/ >>> >>>> are you looking for an actual linux class to attend, or just > advise on >>> how to get started? >>> >>>> let use know more specifically what you are looking for and >>>> I'm sure >>> someone here can help you >>> >>>> out. >>>> >>>> mike >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> --- "d.maly(a)ieee.org" <d_maly(a)charter.net> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> --------------------------------- Can anyone recommend alinux >>>> tutor for a teenager newbie? Doug Maly >>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ Wlug >>>>> mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >>>>> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >>>>> >>>> >>> > > > -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, > MA, USA http://www.wlug.org > > _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFEmyOPaI8VEtSi4H8RAqtRAKDPVLvfrMyGG7pe+nvTyL9+PiGK1wCguuFn SJhZclY9DdRfqCuBjaAF1hA= =FKwQ -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

June 22, 2006

Re: [Wlug] tutor / newbie

by Chuck Noyes

I'm just down the street from you. Perhaps I can help. -Chuck d.maly(a)ieee.org wrote: > Yes, am looking for a tutor to teach in my home. > > I'm in Holden -- going north on 31 towards Wachusett. > > My son is 13 ... and his friends don't talk much about PCs ... except > that they seem to be active IM-ers. > > Doug >> Hi Doug, >> >> The way I read your email, I think you're looking for a human being to >> tutor a teenage Linux newbie. True? Would this be relatively close to >> Worcester? Does this teenage Linux newbie have teenage friends who also >> share an interest in Linux? >> >> Thanks, >> >> Andy >> >> -- >> Andy Stewart, Founder >> Worcester Linux Users' Group >> Worcester, MA, USA >> http://www.wlug.org >> >> >> ------------------------------ > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

June 22, 2006

Re: [Wlug] [Fwd: Re: Tutor / irc / newbie]

by Andy Stewart

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 d.maly(a)ieee.org wrote: > Andy, > > I also sent this message to WLUG but didn't see it in the Digest. Would > like to see it included because it has more detailed info. > > Thanks, > Doug Hi Doug, Since you cc'd the list, it should appear in the digest shortly. If it does not, please let me know and I'll investigate. I believe that the Night Life program in Worcester offers a class in Linux, taught by a WLUG member. However, I don't know what Night Life's policy is regarding a student's age. In addition, The Town of Chelmsford has a Community Education program which offers Linux classes (taught by another WLUG member), but that's probably too far away for you. Finally, you're always welcome to attend a WLUG meeting in Worcester. We're open to all ages and ability levels. Keep an eye on the meeting postings in case something of interest comes along. Later, Andy > > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: Re: Tutor / irc / newbie > Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 13:07:10 -0400 > From: d.maly(a)ieee.org <d_maly(a)charter.net> > To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > References: <mailman.1.1150819203.28678.wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> > > > > The tutor is for my son. I have managed to keep our two computers up to > date -- am now running Ubuntu 6.04. I want to teach more to my son, but > am getting beyond my abilities. I have some administrative work ... I > need to share resources, find some drivers ... then move onto setting up > an email server. From there I have some applications I want to start > setting up, like a video editor and ham radio apps. > > Thanks for the links, they are new to me. > > I had problems with IRC, which I have not used before. I made it to > http://freenode.net/faq.shtml > I got NickServ to look like it was alive in GAIM. However, in the > previous link, the section about registering said this: > Register your IRC nick: > > */msg nickserv register <your-password>* > > and I don't know what to do with this. Can you send this to NickServ > through GAIM?? Also, the command seems to be registering a nickname ... > but the register command is followed only by a password ... no mention > of username/nickname. > > Thanks, > Doug > > > > > > >>------------------------------ >> >>Message: 2 >>Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 11:32:17 -0700 (PDT) >>From: Mike Leo <mleo963(a)yahoo.com> >>Subject: Re: [Wlug] Tutor for Teenager >>To: Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> >>Message-ID: <20060619183217.36816.qmail(a)web51309.mail.yahoo.com> >>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 >> >>are you the newbie? >> >>not sure what you are looking for, but > > http://rute.2038bug.com/index.html.gz is a good read. > >>I also hang out at www.justlinux.com, and irc.freenode.net #justlinux > > and irc.oftc.net > >>#penguinslair. >> >>many people will also stear you towards www.google.com/linux as well as > > http://forums.gentoo.org/ > >>are you looking for an actual linux class to attend, or just advise on > > how to get started? > >>let use know more specifically what you are looking for and I'm sure > > someone here can help you > >>out. >> >>mike >> >> >> >>--- "d.maly(a)ieee.org" <d_maly(a)charter.net> wrote: >> >> >>--------------------------------- >> Can anyone recommend alinux tutor for a teenager newbie? >>Doug Maly >> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>Wlug mailing list >>>Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >>>http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >>> >> >> > > - -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA, USA http://www.wlug.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFEmdM0Hl0iXDssISsRAiO5AJ45asXzt+HpjFffEncD1V9KqJT6FgCdHH1u EM+1cdQOAPtufxnlklR0Y0U= =cqLU -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

June 21, 2006

[Fwd: Re: Tutor / irc / newbie]

by d.maly＠ieee.org

Andy, I also sent this message to WLUG but didn't see it in the Digest. Would like to see it included because it has more detailed info. Thanks, Doug -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: Tutor / irc / newbie Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 13:07:10 -0400 From: d.maly(a)ieee.org <d_maly(a)charter.net> To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org References: <mailman.1.1150819203.28678.wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> The tutor is for my son. I have managed to keep our two computers up to date -- am now running Ubuntu 6.04. I want to teach more to my son, but am getting beyond my abilities. I have some administrative work ... I need to share resources, find some drivers ... then move onto setting up an email server. From there I have some applications I want to start setting up, like a video editor and ham radio apps. Thanks for the links, they are new to me. I had problems with IRC, which I have not used before. I made it to http://freenode.net/faq.shtml I got NickServ to look like it was alive in GAIM. However, in the previous link, the section about registering said this: Register your IRC nick: */msg nickserv register <your-password>* and I don't know what to do with this. Can you send this to NickServ through GAIM?? Also, the command seems to be registering a nickname ... but the register command is followed only by a password ... no mention of username/nickname. Thanks, Doug > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 11:32:17 -0700 (PDT) > From: Mike Leo <mleo963(a)yahoo.com> > Subject: Re: [Wlug] Tutor for Teenager > To: Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> > Message-ID: <20060619183217.36816.qmail(a)web51309.mail.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > are you the newbie? > > not sure what you are looking for, but http://rute.2038bug.com/index.html.gz is a good read. > > I also hang out at www.justlinux.com, and irc.freenode.net #justlinux and irc.oftc.net > #penguinslair. > > many people will also stear you towards www.google.com/linux as well as http://forums.gentoo.org/ > > are you looking for an actual linux class to attend, or just advise on how to get started? > > let use know more specifically what you are looking for and I'm sure someone here can help you > out. > > mike > > > > --- "d.maly(a)ieee.org" <d_maly(a)charter.net> wrote: > > > --------------------------------- > Can anyone recommend alinux tutor for a teenager newbie? > Doug Maly >> _______________________________________________ >> Wlug mailing list >> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >> > >

June 21, 2006

Re: [Wlug] tutor / newbie

by Andy Stewart

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 d.maly(a)ieee.org wrote: > Yes, am looking for a tutor to teach in my home. > > I'm in Holden -- going north on 31 towards Wachusett. > > My son is 13 ... and his friends don't talk much about PCs ... except > that they seem to be active IM-ers. OK, WLUGers, is there anybody that is able to help here? Unfortunately, I live too far away to be of direct assistance. Later, Andy - -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA, USA http://www.wlug.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFEmKBjHl0iXDssISsRAkolAJwMXiVsko212MzJmz+vWKXkQXF7VgCffA5w 2blN34eJgSlY8Ibk7pkoJR8= =GYgT -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

June 21, 2006

Re: [Wlug] Upcoming Topics

by Andy Stewart

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Mike wrote: > Oh sweet. Is that the next meeting? I must have missed something. > > ~Mike Its official - see the WLUG website, and thanks(!) Eric for doing this. Later, Andy > > > <quote who="Eric Martin"> > > I was planning on covering ssh port forwarding, vnc forwarding over > ssh (more secure than x forwarding), and alternate authentication with > ssh (specifically Public Keys) when I presented ssh next meeting. > > Mike Perry wrote: > >>I had a few ideas kicking in the back of my head for a meeting >>topic. By no means am I volunteering to give a talk on this, >>however I thought it would be a good idea to toss out. >></end-disclaimer> > >>How about a talk on port forwarding? The talk could include >>tunneling via program (like the old school datapipe proggy) and >>more appropriately the finner points of SSH port forwarding. Other >>peripheral topics could be including such as: port knocking, alt >>mechanisms of ssh authentication, and X11 forwarding. > >>Just a thought... > >>Cheers, Mike > > > >>_______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list >>Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug - -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA, USA http://www.wlug.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFEmJ4DHl0iXDssISsRApEaAJ0RdSj0s7LoRnlQomAYerUFNxzxyACbBYM/ vYxgcQ7go80DUB147ZzqLr0= =xtal -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

June 21, 2006

Re: [Wlug] tutor / newbie

by d.maly＠ieee.org

Yes, am looking for a tutor to teach in my home. I'm in Holden -- going north on 31 towards Wachusett. My son is 13 ... and his friends don't talk much about PCs ... except that they seem to be active IM-ers. Doug > Hi Doug, > > The way I read your email, I think you're looking for a human being to > tutor a teenage Linux newbie. True? Would this be relatively close to > Worcester? Does this teenage Linux newbie have teenage friends who also > share an interest in Linux? > > Thanks, > > Andy > > -- > Andy Stewart, Founder > Worcester Linux Users' Group > Worcester, MA, USA > http://www.wlug.org > > > ------------------------------

June 20, 2006

Re: [Wlug] Tutor / irc / newbie

by d.maly＠ieee.org

The tutor is for my son. I have managed to keep our two computers up to date -- am now running Ubuntu 6.04. I want to teach more to my son, but am getting beyond my abilities. I have some administrative work ... I need to share resources, find some drivers ... then move onto setting up an email server. From there I have some applications I want to start setting up, like a video editor and ham radio apps. Thanks for the links, they are new to me. I had problems with IRC, which I have not used before. I made it to http://freenode.net/faq.shtml I got NickServ to look like it was alive in GAIM. However, in the previous link, the section about registering said this: Register your IRC nick: */msg nickserv register <your-password>* and I don't know what to do with this. Can you send this to NickServ through GAIM?? Also, the command seems to be registering a nickname ... but the register command is followed only by a password ... no mention of username/nickname. Thanks, Doug > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 11:32:17 -0700 (PDT) > From: Mike Leo <mleo963(a)yahoo.com> > Subject: Re: [Wlug] Tutor for Teenager > To: Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> > Message-ID: <20060619183217.36816.qmail(a)web51309.mail.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > are you the newbie? > > not sure what you are looking for, but http://rute.2038bug.com/index.html.gz is a good read. > > I also hang out at www.justlinux.com, and irc.freenode.net #justlinux and irc.oftc.net > #penguinslair. > > many people will also stear you towards www.google.com/linux as well as http://forums.gentoo.org/ > > are you looking for an actual linux class to attend, or just advise on how to get started? > > let use know more specifically what you are looking for and I'm sure someone here can help you > out. > > mike > > > > --- "d.maly(a)ieee.org" <d_maly(a)charter.net> wrote: > > > --------------------------------- > Can anyone recommend alinux tutor for a teenager newbie? > Doug Maly >> _______________________________________________ >> Wlug mailing list >> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >> > >

June 20, 2006

Re: [Wlug] Upcoming Topics

by Mike

Oh sweet. Is that the next meeting? I must have missed something. ~Mike <quote who="Eric Martin"> > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > I was planning on covering ssh port forwarding, vnc forwarding over > ssh (more secure than x forwarding), and alternate authentication with > ssh (specifically Public Keys) when I presented ssh next meeting. > > Mike Perry wrote: >> I had a few ideas kicking in the back of my head for a meeting >> topic. By no means am I volunteering to give a talk on this, >> however I thought it would be a good idea to toss out. >> </end-disclaimer> >> >> How about a talk on port forwarding? The talk could include >> tunneling via program (like the old school datapipe proggy) and >> more appropriately the finner points of SSH port forwarding. Other >> peripheral topics could be including such as: port knocking, alt >> mechanisms of ssh authentication, and X11 forwarding. >> >> Just a thought... >> >> Cheers, Mike >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list >> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >> > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.2 (GNU/Linux) > > iD8DBQFEl+A3aI8VEtSi4H8RAroMAJ9lFmWiNVdwzybu/ClEQoF6z2nUYQCdFcUt > iDX9HBnwU8UPFiyCyFkuiNQ= > =9SxP > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > -- They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security, deserve neither liberty or security --Ben Franklin

June 20, 2006

Re: [Wlug] Upcoming Topics

by Eric Martin

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I was planning on covering ssh port forwarding, vnc forwarding over ssh (more secure than x forwarding), and alternate authentication with ssh (specifically Public Keys) when I presented ssh next meeting. Mike Perry wrote: > I had a few ideas kicking in the back of my head for a meeting > topic. By no means am I volunteering to give a talk on this, > however I thought it would be a good idea to toss out. > </end-disclaimer> > > How about a talk on port forwarding? The talk could include > tunneling via program (like the old school datapipe proggy) and > more appropriately the finner points of SSH port forwarding. Other > peripheral topics could be including such as: port knocking, alt > mechanisms of ssh authentication, and X11 forwarding. > > Just a thought... > > Cheers, Mike > > > > _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFEl+A3aI8VEtSi4H8RAroMAJ9lFmWiNVdwzybu/ClEQoF6z2nUYQCdFcUt iDX9HBnwU8UPFiyCyFkuiNQ= =9SxP -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

June 20, 2006

Upcoming Topics

by Mike Perry

I had a few ideas kicking in the back of my head for a meeting topic. By no means am I volunteering to give a talk on this, however I thought it would be a good idea to toss out. </end-disclaimer> How about a talk on port forwarding? The talk could include tunneling via program (like the old school datapipe proggy) and more appropriately the finner points of SSH port forwarding. Other peripheral topics could be including such as: port knocking, alt mechanisms of ssh authentication, and X11 forwarding. Just a thought... Cheers, Mike

June 20, 2006

Re: [Wlug] Tutor for Teenager

by Andy Stewart

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 d.maly(a)ieee.org wrote: > Can anyone recommend a linux tutor for a teenager newbie? > Doug Maly Hi Doug, The way I read your email, I think you're looking for a human being to tutor a teenage Linux newbie. True? Would this be relatively close to Worcester? Does this teenage Linux newbie have teenage friends who also share an interest in Linux? Thanks, Andy - -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA, USA http://www.wlug.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFElzDBHl0iXDssISsRAspKAJsFk5aTBeaVV3cH834mZXk5hdw/lQCeOIgZ 5lavFaYIhLwW4UEMAWAOCZU= =KQ/O -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

June 19, 2006

Re: [Wlug] Tutor for Teenager

by Mike Leo

are you the newbie? not sure what you are looking for, but http://rute.2038bug.com/index.html.gz is a good read. I also hang out at www.justlinux.com, and irc.freenode.net #justlinux and irc.oftc.net #penguinslair. many people will also stear you towards www.google.com/linux as well as http://forums.gentoo.org/ are you looking for an actual linux class to attend, or just advise on how to get started? let use know more specifically what you are looking for and I'm sure someone here can help you out. mike --- "d.maly(a)ieee.org" <d_maly(a)charter.net> wrote: --------------------------------- Can anyone recommend alinux tutor for a teenager newbie? Doug Maly > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

June 19, 2006

Re: [Wlug] Webmail: What do you like?

by Scott Venier

Richard Klein wrote: > Have you installed imapproxy? Would I regret it if I skip that package? > I'd normally be accessing webmail using Firefox 1.5.x.x or later, IE 6 > or later, and possibly (though unlikely) Camino or Safari. > I have not tried imapproxy, but it sounds interesting... I've got 4 users who all use squirrelmail to read their mail. The machine probably sees 700 messages a day, and has no problems. Scott

June 17, 2006

Re: [Wlug] Webmail: What do you like?

by Richard Klein

Scott Venier wrote: > Richard Klein wrote: > >> What do you guys like for webmail? Is there any particular reason why >> you like one package over another? >> > I like squirrelmail. Debian sarge has 1.4.6 in it, iirc, but I like 1.5.1 > better. Some nice extra features, mostly just bells & whistles, but I > like them. Pretty simple to use and configure, might require an extra bit > of apache knowledge if you go with 1.5.1 instead of just 'apt-get install > squirrelmail' > > I'm afraid that I can't really compare it to anything else since I haven't > used them. I've heard of at least Imp and OpenWebMail. > > Scott Thanks! I'll just take the path of least resistance and install 1.4.6 (or whatever apt-get gets me). So, apt-get install squirrelmail suggests imapproxy. Per imapproxy.org: "imapproxy was written to compensate for webmail clients that are unable to maintain persistent connections to an IMAP server. Most webmail clients need to log in to an IMAP server for nearly every single transaction. This behaviour can cause tragic performance problems on the IMAP server. imapproxy tries to deal with this problem by leaving server connections open for a short time after a webmail client logs out. When the webmail client connects again, imapproxy will determine if there's a cached connection available and reuse it if possible." Have you installed imapproxy? Would I regret it if I skip that package? I'd normally be accessing webmail using Firefox 1.5.x.x or later, IE 6 or later, and possibly (though unlikely) Camino or Safari. -- Rich

June 17, 2006

Tutor for Teenager

by d.maly＠ieee.org

June 17, 2006

Re: [Wlug] Webmail: What do you like?

by freak4uxxx＠gmail.com

check out squirell mail. Really easy to setup, works w/imap -Eric -----Original Message----- From: Richard Klein <rich(a)richardklein.org> Subj: [Wlug] Webmail: What do you like? Date: Fri Jun 16, 2006 10:43 pm Size: 704 bytes To: Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> I was at the meeting in April or May, but, unfortunately, haven't had time for the list or for meetings since then. At the time, I was looking for help setting up an IMAP server. I eventually got that working with Debian Sarge, Postfix, UW-IMAP, and the howto at: http://howtoforge.com/perfect_setup_debian_sarge I think everything is working now, although I haven't switched my MX record to this server yet, but I'm still lacking a webmail interface. What do you guys like for webmail? Is there any particular reason why you like one package over another? -- Rich _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

June 17, 2006

Re: [Wlug] Webmail: What do you like?

by Scott Venier

Richard Klein wrote: > What do you guys like for webmail? Is there any particular reason why > you like one package over another? > I like squirrelmail. Debian sarge has 1.4.6 in it, iirc, but I like 1.5.1 better. Some nice extra features, mostly just bells & whistles, but I like them. Pretty simple to use and configure, might require an extra bit of apache knowledge if you go with 1.5.1 instead of just 'apt-get install squirrelmail' I'm afraid that I can't really compare it to anything else since I haven't used them. I've heard of at least Imp and OpenWebMail. Scott

June 17, 2006

Webmail: What do you like?

by Richard Klein

I was at the meeting in April or May, but, unfortunately, haven't had time for the list or for meetings since then. At the time, I was looking for help setting up an IMAP server. I eventually got that working with Debian Sarge, Postfix, UW-IMAP, and the howto at: http://howtoforge.com/perfect_setup_debian_sarge I think everything is working now, although I haven't switched my MX record to this server yet, but I'm still lacking a webmail interface. What do you guys like for webmail? Is there any particular reason why you like one package over another? -- Rich

June 15, 2006

Re: [Wlug] Filesystem usage

by Eric Stein

My up to date Ubuntu system: root@pippin:/ # du --max-depth=1 -h 48K ./lost+found 34M ./etc 20K ./media 473M ./var 2.8G ./usr 4.8M ./bin 21M ./boot 2.9M ./dev 132G ./home 196M ./lib 4.0K ./mnt 909M ./proc 216K ./root 9.6M ./sbin 5.8M ./tmp 0 ./sys 4.0K ./srv 170M ./opt 4.0K ./initrd 4.0K ./test 136G . Bill Smith wrote: > This is what I got on an up-to-date Fedora Core 5 system: > > [root@sherbrooke ~]# cd / > [root@sherbrooke /]# du --max-depth=1 -h > 8.0K ./mnt > 21M ./sbin > 9.5G ./home > 8.0K ./.automount > 8.0K ./selinux > 43M ./root > 0 ./sys > 8.2M ./boot > 8.0K ./media > 8.0K ./srv > 101M ./etc > 112K ./dev > 900M ./proc > 0 ./net > 4.7G ./usr > 34M ./opt > 7.3M ./bin > 28K ./.rh-fontconfig > 37M ./apps > 96M ./lib > 8.0K ./misc > 206M ./var > 16G . > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

June 14, 2006

Re: [Wlug] Filesystem usage

by Bill Smith

On Tue, 2006-06-13 at 22:20 -0400, Mike Perry wrote: > Hi there, > I am curious on some statistics and I was wondering you could help me > out. I'm wondering what the output of the following command is on your > system: > > root@chao:/tmp# cd / > root@chao:/# du --max-depth=1 -h > 4.2M ./bin > 253K ./dev > 36M ./etc > 336M ./lib > 0 ./mnt > 436M ./opt > 0 ./srv > 18K ./tmp > 0 ./sys > 743M ./var > 3.8G ./usr > 38M ./boot > 22G ./home > 900M ./proc > 9.0M ./sbin > 4.5M ./root > 0 ./media > 0 ./initrd > 28G . This is what I got on an up-to-date Fedora Core 5 system: [root@sherbrooke ~]# cd / [root@sherbrooke /]# du --max-depth=1 -h 8.0K ./mnt 21M ./sbin 9.5G ./home 8.0K ./.automount 8.0K ./selinux 43M ./root 0 ./sys 8.2M ./boot 8.0K ./media 8.0K ./srv 101M ./etc 112K ./dev 900M ./proc 0 ./net 4.7G ./usr 34M ./opt 7.3M ./bin 28K ./.rh-fontconfig 37M ./apps 96M ./lib 8.0K ./misc 206M ./var 16G .

June 14, 2006

Re: [Wlug] Filesystem usage

by Jared Greenwald

This is my highly-custom Gentoo Laptop. laptop-wifi / # du --max-depth=1 -h 7.3M ./bin 260K ./dev 32M ./etc 50M ./lib 0 ./mnt 277M ./opt 15M ./tmp 0 ./sys 3.7G ./var 7.8G ./usr 14M ./boot 3.4G ./home 899M ./proc 9.5M ./sbin 19M ./root 0 ./media 0 ./.reiserfs_priv 20K ./laptop 17G . I'm sure I could trim this down as I have 1.7G in /var/tmp/portage (the place the portage actually builds packages from source) and 2.5G in /usr/portage/distfiles (the place where portage stores the source kits) - both of which are not essential after the package is built and installed. On 6/13/06, Mike Perry <mwp(a)sdf.lonestar.org> wrote: > Hi there, > I am curious on some statistics and I was wondering you could help me > out. I'm wondering what the output of the following command is on your > system: > > root@chao:/tmp# cd / > root@chao:/# du --max-depth=1 -h > 4.2M ./bin > 253K ./dev > 36M ./etc > 336M ./lib > 0 ./mnt > 436M ./opt > 0 ./srv > 18K ./tmp > 0 ./sys > 743M ./var > 3.8G ./usr > 38M ./boot > 22G ./home > 900M ./proc > 9.0M ./sbin > 4.5M ./root > 0 ./media > 0 ./initrd > 28G . > > > The system I ran on above is an ubuntu desktop machine that hasn't been > rebuild in over a year closer to a year and half. > > For comparison a relatively stock ubuntu machine I have looks like: > > 4.4M ./bin > 103K ./dev > 12M ./etc > 167M ./lib > 0 ./mnt > 0 ./opt > 8.0K ./tmp > 0 ./sys > 209M ./var > 1.6G ./usr > 19M ./boot > 2.3M ./home > 513M ./proc > 9.9M ./sbin > 260K ./root > 0 ./media > 0 ./backup > 0 ./initrd > 2G . > > > Thanks, > Mike > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

June 14, 2006

Filesystem usage

by Mike Perry

Hi there, I am curious on some statistics and I was wondering you could help me out. I'm wondering what the output of the following command is on your system: root@chao:/tmp# cd / root@chao:/# du --max-depth=1 -h 4.2M ./bin 253K ./dev 36M ./etc 336M ./lib 0 ./mnt 436M ./opt 0 ./srv 18K ./tmp 0 ./sys 743M ./var 3.8G ./usr 38M ./boot 22G ./home 900M ./proc 9.0M ./sbin 4.5M ./root 0 ./media 0 ./initrd 28G . The system I ran on above is an ubuntu desktop machine that hasn't been rebuild in over a year closer to a year and half. For comparison a relatively stock ubuntu machine I have looks like: 4.4M ./bin 103K ./dev 12M ./etc 167M ./lib 0 ./mnt 0 ./opt 8.0K ./tmp 0 ./sys 209M ./var 1.6G ./usr 19M ./boot 2.3M ./home 513M ./proc 9.9M ./sbin 260K ./root 0 ./media 0 ./backup 0 ./initrd 2G . Thanks, Mike

June 14, 2006

Anyone actually using SPF and SRS in a Sendmail production env?

by Dwight A. Ernest

Is anyone here actually using SPF and SRS in a Sendmail production environment? If so, I'd love to ask a few questions about resources, performance, and real-world experience. Thanks.

June 10, 2006

Re: [Wlug] SoC's with USB host

by Andy Stewart

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Mike Leo wrote: > http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS3880195342.html > > This is what you should have used for your router Andy! You're right - that's pretty cool! Its tempting to buy it just for yucks (but one would have to buy the boards also so the connectors will line up). Thanks for the pointer! Andy - -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA, USA http://www.wlug.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFEihUsHl0iXDssISsRArc7AJ4+vcr4+GXk3a9FIP5R12aygLkQ3wCcCbfZ cYmfbGWqIEL7e4q6U3+dJOI= =C9n4 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

June 10, 2006

Re: [Wlug] SoC's with USB host

by Mike Leo

http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS3880195342.html This is what you should have used for your router Andy! --- Jamie Guinan <guinan(a)bluebutton.com> wrote: > > To follow up on discussion about USB capabilities, I took a quick look > at which platforms support USB host (so you can plug webcams, etc. > *into* it), > > $ cd linux-2.6.16 > $ find . | grep ohci > ... > ./drivers/usb/host/ohci-s3c2410.c [ Samsung ARM 920T ] > ./drivers/usb/host/ohci-sa1111.c [ StrongARM(SA1110) companion Chip ] > ./drivers/usb/host/ohci-lh7a404.c [ Sharp ARM920T ] > ./drivers/usb/host/ohci-ppc-soc.c [ Various PowerPC (Freescale) ] > ./drivers/usb/host/ohci-au1xxx.c [ AMD (formerly Alchemy) MIPS Au1000 ] > ./drivers/usb/host/ohci-pxa27x.c [ XScale ARM (successor to SA1110] > ... > > Those modules are thin hardware-specific glue around the main ohci/usb > kernel code. > > I think the gumstix is a pxa25x, and only the 27x supports USB host. > > Development boards for a lot of these are priced rather high for the > typical hobbyist budget, from a few hundred $$ on up, > > http://www.embeddedplanet.com/products/sbc.asp > http://dkc3.digikey.com/PDF/T062/0378.pdf > http://www.hitechglobal.com/boards/ARM920T.htm > > It looks like Gumstix and routerboard are the cheapest available > products in this class. And they're great, but hopefully in the > we'll see more things aimed at hobbyists, with USB host capability. > > -Jamie > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

June 9, 2006

SoC's with USB host

by Jamie Guinan

To follow up on discussion about USB capabilities, I took a quick look at which platforms support USB host (so you can plug webcams, etc. *into* it), $ cd linux-2.6.16 $ find . | grep ohci ... ./drivers/usb/host/ohci-s3c2410.c [ Samsung ARM 920T ] ./drivers/usb/host/ohci-sa1111.c [ StrongARM(SA1110) companion Chip ] ./drivers/usb/host/ohci-lh7a404.c [ Sharp ARM920T ] ./drivers/usb/host/ohci-ppc-soc.c [ Various PowerPC (Freescale) ] ./drivers/usb/host/ohci-au1xxx.c [ AMD (formerly Alchemy) MIPS Au1000 ] ./drivers/usb/host/ohci-pxa27x.c [ XScale ARM (successor to SA1110] ... Those modules are thin hardware-specific glue around the main ohci/usb kernel code. I think the gumstix is a pxa25x, and only the 27x supports USB host. Development boards for a lot of these are priced rather high for the typical hobbyist budget, from a few hundred $$ on up, http://www.embeddedplanet.com/products/sbc.asp http://dkc3.digikey.com/PDF/T062/0378.pdf http://www.hitechglobal.com/boards/ARM920T.htm It looks like Gumstix and routerboard are the cheapest available products in this class. And they're great, but hopefully in the we'll see more things aimed at hobbyists, with USB host capability. -Jamie

June 9, 2006

Re: [Wlug] Problem with usermod

by Adam Keck

Hello Chuck, Another thing you can do is to pass init=/bin/bash to the kernel via grub at boot time. / will be mounted ro; remount it and /tmp rw and then edit /etc/group (vi /etc/group, vigroup (sp?), or use usermod by mounting /usr as well). This is why it is a good idea to use grub passwords on public machines ;-). -Adam On May 10, 2006, at 10:24 AM, Chuck Noyes wrote: > Hi All, > > I'm running ubuntu (brezzy), and I just shot myself in the foot.... > > I went to add my username to a new group, but forgot to include the > other groups that I belong to in the command. The command I used was > 'sudo usermod -G <new-group> <my-username>'. Now I only belong to > <new-group>. That removed my username from the other groups I belonged > to, including the admin group. > > Is there a way undo what I did? I do have a copy of /etc/group before > the change. > > Thanks, > -Chuck > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

June 4, 2006

Re: [Wlug] dhcpd question

by Eric Martin

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Thanks for the pointers on that, I will incorporate those changes. About that comment, I re-read the config file and I see exactly what you're talking about, I just forgot to delete the comment before I emailed this off originally. Chuck Anderson wrote: > On Sat, Jun 03, 2006 at 07:11:24AM -0400, Eric Martin wrote: >> # Everybody in here will not get an ip whatsoever pool { range >> 10.10.20.20 10.10.20.127; deny known-clients; host slide { >> hardware ethernet 00:c0:9f:15:d7:3f; } } pool { range >> 10.10.20.128 10.10.20.253; deny unknown-clients; host fixed { >> hardware ethernet 00:11:22:33:44:55; # >> fixed-address 10.10.20.25; } } } > > You've made several of the classic mistakes that everyone makes at > first when learning ISC dhcpd (including myself :-) ). > > host {} blocks are always global in scope, regardless of where in > the configuration they are placed. Putting them inside pool {} > blocks just confuses readers into thinking they are locally scoped. > So, in this configuration both hosts "slide" and "fixed" are > considered known-clients, and they will both get dynamic addresses > out of the second pool unless the fixed-address was uncommented for > host "fixed" in which case "deny known-clients" etc. doesn't apply > at all (they only apply to dynamic assignments). > > Another thing: fixed-address assignments must not be inside of pool > ranges. The server will not check for such conflicts of > static/dynamic addressing, so you will get duplicate IP assignments > to more than one client in case fixed-addresses and ranges overlap. > You can exclude the fixed-addresses like this: > > pool { range 10.10.20.20 10.10.20.24; range 10.10.20.26 > 10.10.20.127; [....] } > > Common practice is to not intersperse fixed-addresses throughout > multiple pool ranges, to prevent unwieldy configurations with > multiple range statements per pool. Rather, fixed-addresses are > usually assigned contiguously together outside of a single pool > range. > > Finally, when you say "everybody in here will not get an ip > whatsoever", that is not true. The "deny known-clients" > implicitely does "allow unknown-clients", and vice versa, so > unknown-clients (those without any matching host {} declaration) > will get dynamic addresses out of the first pool. > _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFEgcPUaI8VEtSi4H8RAi7mAKCJ1C8E2FH4zJSItxUaBNukbs0o5ACfQW20 qUoOtQqOyIBa+iy+upTbTkg= =f9/t -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

June 3, 2006

Re: [Wlug] dhcpd question

by Chuck Anderson

On Sat, Jun 03, 2006 at 07:11:24AM -0400, Eric Martin wrote: > # Everybody in here will not get an ip whatsoever > pool { > range 10.10.20.20 10.10.20.127; > deny known-clients; > host slide { > hardware ethernet 00:c0:9f:15:d7:3f; > } > } > pool { > range 10.10.20.128 10.10.20.253; > deny unknown-clients; > host fixed { > hardware ethernet 00:11:22:33:44:55; > # fixed-address 10.10.20.25; > } > } > } You've made several of the classic mistakes that everyone makes at first when learning ISC dhcpd (including myself :-) ). host {} blocks are always global in scope, regardless of where in the configuration they are placed. Putting them inside pool {} blocks just confuses readers into thinking they are locally scoped. So, in this configuration both hosts "slide" and "fixed" are considered known-clients, and they will both get dynamic addresses out of the second pool unless the fixed-address was uncommented for host "fixed" in which case "deny known-clients" etc. doesn't apply at all (they only apply to dynamic assignments). Another thing: fixed-address assignments must not be inside of pool ranges. The server will not check for such conflicts of static/dynamic addressing, so you will get duplicate IP assignments to more than one client in case fixed-addresses and ranges overlap. You can exclude the fixed-addresses like this: pool { range 10.10.20.20 10.10.20.24; range 10.10.20.26 10.10.20.127; [....] } Common practice is to not intersperse fixed-addresses throughout multiple pool ranges, to prevent unwieldy configurations with multiple range statements per pool. Rather, fixed-addresses are usually assigned contiguously together outside of a single pool range. Finally, when you say "everybody in here will not get an ip whatsoever", that is not true. The "deny known-clients" implicitely does "allow unknown-clients", and vice versa, so unknown-clients (those without any matching host {} declaration) will get dynamic addresses out of the first pool.

June 3, 2006

Re: [Wlug] dhcpd question

by Bill Smith

On Sat, 2006-06-03 at 07:11 -0400, Eric Martin wrote: > Basically what you want is at least two pools. The first pool will do > the most of your address assignments, but if you specify the host, it > will deny it due to the deny known-hosts. The second pool I'm using > for static assignments, but it's crucial to have the deny > unknown-clients or else anybody you deny up top will be able to get an > ip here. > As usual, questions, comments anything else is always welcome. Nice work, Eric. We knew you had it in you, if you stuck with it long enough. ;) Thanks for sharing your solution, too. ....Bill

June 3, 2006

Re: [Wlug] dhcpd question

by Eric Martin

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 #Global Declarations ddns-update-style ad-hoc; option domain-name "home.local"; default-lease-time 604800; # Default Lease 1 Week max-lease-time 1209600; # Max Lease 2 weeks authoritative; # We are the official DHCP Server for this network subnet 10.10.20.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 { authoritative; # Everybody in here will not get an ip whatsoever pool { range 10.10.20.20 10.10.20.127; deny known-clients; host slide { hardware ethernet 00:c0:9f:15:d7:3f; } } pool { range 10.10.20.128 10.10.20.253; deny unknown-clients; host fixed { hardware ethernet 00:11:22:33:44:55; # fixed-address 10.10.20.25; } } } Basically what you want is at least two pools. The first pool will do the most of your address assignments, but if you specify the host, it will deny it due to the deny known-hosts. The second pool I'm using for static assignments, but it's crucial to have the deny unknown-clients or else anybody you deny up top will be able to get an ip here. As usual, questions, comments anything else is always welcome. Jared Greenwald wrote: > So, why don't you post the answer so that others may benefit from > it? > > -Jared > > On 6/2/06, Eric Martin <freak4uxxx(a)gmail.com> wrote: I figured it > out. Thanks to all who helped point me in the right direction. > The man page was just really hard to grasp until I took a few > breaks and took a shot in the dark. > > Theo Van Dinter wrote: >>>> On Fri, Jun 02, 2006 at 12:22:22PM -0700, Mike Leo wrote: >>>>> could you just assign that MAC a bad IP setup? like the >>>>> wrong netmask or something? Would that solve your problem? >>>>> >>>> fwiw, I believe the "correct" method is listed in the >>>> dhcpd.conf man page. Look for "ALLOW AND DENY WITHIN POOL >>>> DECLARATIONS". there's a way to do allow/deny. without >>>> digging further, I'd guess you make a class with the mac >>>> addr's you don't want getting addresses, then deny the class. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing >>>> list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >>>> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >>> > _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >>> >> _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list >> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFEgW5baI8VEtSi4H8RAltyAJ4hPopL2xxIq8CpveaX8FAWv262zgCgjxCT 0xzC1YuLntipH0LvZ99FfRU= =D3Kf -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

June 3, 2006

Re: [Wlug] Children Computer Camps

by Chuck Anderson

On Fri, Jun 02, 2006 at 11:14:33AM -0400, Yury I Vashugin wrote: > Does anyone know any computer camps for children in Worcester-Boston > Area? Thank you. I know WPI holds many summer camps for children. I'm not sure if computer camp is one of them, but it may be worth checking out.

June 3, 2006

Re: [Wlug] dhcpd question

by Jared Greenwald

So, why don't you post the answer so that others may benefit from it? -Jared On 6/2/06, Eric Martin <freak4uxxx(a)gmail.com> wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > I figured it out. Thanks to all who helped point me in the right > direction. The man page was just really hard to grasp until I took a > few breaks and took a shot in the dark. > > Theo Van Dinter wrote: > > On Fri, Jun 02, 2006 at 12:22:22PM -0700, Mike Leo wrote: > >> could you just assign that MAC a bad IP setup? like the wrong > >> netmask or something? Would that solve your problem? > > > > fwiw, I believe the "correct" method is listed in the dhcpd.conf > > man page. Look for "ALLOW AND DENY WITHIN POOL DECLARATIONS". > > there's a way to do allow/deny. without digging further, I'd guess > > you make a class with the mac addr's you don't want getting > > addresses, then deny the class. > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.2 (GNU/Linux) > > iD8DBQFEgOB8aI8VEtSi4H8RAgN1AJ9xZaS0tDZq0w1cC6nSX5OMZ69s/ACgivCU > DIOlMNNaSdkUwjevEadaf6E= > =yxwf > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

June 3, 2006

Re: [Wlug] dhcpd question

by Eric Martin

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I figured it out. Thanks to all who helped point me in the right direction. The man page was just really hard to grasp until I took a few breaks and took a shot in the dark. Theo Van Dinter wrote: > On Fri, Jun 02, 2006 at 12:22:22PM -0700, Mike Leo wrote: >> could you just assign that MAC a bad IP setup? like the wrong >> netmask or something? Would that solve your problem? > > fwiw, I believe the "correct" method is listed in the dhcpd.conf > man page. Look for "ALLOW AND DENY WITHIN POOL DECLARATIONS". > there's a way to do allow/deny. without digging further, I'd guess > you make a class with the mac addr's you don't want getting > addresses, then deny the class. > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFEgOB8aI8VEtSi4H8RAgN1AJ9xZaS0tDZq0w1cC6nSX5OMZ69s/ACgivCU DIOlMNNaSdkUwjevEadaf6E= =yxwf -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

June 3, 2006

Re: [Wlug] dhcpd question

by Eric Martin

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 So I am barking up the right tree. I can't get it to work yet, but it's good to know I'm on the right path. Thank you to everybody for helping. Just so everyone knows I'm listing wlug under my resources that helped me. (it's part of the class to list your resources for *everything*). Theo Van Dinter wrote: > On Fri, Jun 02, 2006 at 12:22:22PM -0700, Mike Leo wrote: >> could you just assign that MAC a bad IP setup? like the wrong >> netmask or something? Would that solve your problem? > > fwiw, I believe the "correct" method is listed in the dhcpd.conf > man page. Look for "ALLOW AND DENY WITHIN POOL DECLARATIONS". > there's a way to do allow/deny. without digging further, I'd guess > you make a class with the mac addr's you don't want getting > addresses, then deny the class. > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFEgMzYaI8VEtSi4H8RAoKQAJ0Q/E++Ox/o0/jZ7T1/ROAuyMd/IwCfbvmo aNsJfvp1xqvzubF0HwQiMSQ= =4WlG -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

June 2, 2006

Re: [Wlug] dhcpd question

by Eric Martin

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 No, dhcpd catches any ip out of your range as an error and assigns it an address in your range. That was the first thing I tried. I know it has to do with pool's and deny a known host, but the syntax just isn't working for me. Mike Leo wrote: > could you just assign that MAC a bad IP setup? like the wrong netmask or something? Would that > solve your problem? > > > --- joel d <joelgroup(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >>> Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 20:50:40 -0400 >>> From: Eric Martin <freak4uxxx(a)gmail.com> >>> Subject: [Wlug] dhcpd question >>> To: Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> >>> >>> Does anybody know how to block a specific mac address from getting a >>> dhcp addres in isc dhcpd? I know I can do it with ip tables, and I >>> know that they will still be able to set a static ip, but I need to do >>> it this way. I have the notion I need to use pool, and set a known >>> host and then deny, but I can't get it right. Any help would be >>> appreciated. >>> >>> Eric >> Did you possibly try googling on DHCP and MAC? >> >> I know this answer is out there as I have successfully googled it before. >> >> Any help past that would require doing it for you (and $$). >> >> Joel >> _______________________________________________ >> Wlug mailing list >> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >> > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFEgMwcaI8VEtSi4H8RAomqAKCHpWrRR+V/85gF/qt2Uo5MexjoBwCcDZKH jBSSAgsWU92Xo+rJITarezc= =eyKS -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

June 2, 2006

Re: [Wlug] dhcpd question

by Eric Martin

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Of course I've googled it...I find some stuff that sounds like it will work, but the syntax isn't correct. Thanks for the offer but I'm only asking for help as a last resort. I'm treating this class like a job; and in a regular line of work soliciting a mailing list is ok when you exhaust all other options. Having somebody do my work for me is another thing. joel d wrote: >> Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 20:50:40 -0400 From: Eric Martin >> <freak4uxxx(a)gmail.com> Subject: [Wlug] dhcpd question To: >> Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> >> >> Does anybody know how to block a specific mac address from >> getting a dhcp addres in isc dhcpd? I know I can do it with ip >> tables, and I know that they will still be able to set a static >> ip, but I need to do it this way. I have the notion I need to >> use pool, and set a known host and then deny, but I can't get it >> right. Any help would be appreciated. >> >> Eric > > Did you possibly try googling on DHCP and MAC? > > I know this answer is out there as I have successfully googled it > before. > > Any help past that would require doing it for you (and $$). > > Joel _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing > list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFEgMu+aI8VEtSi4H8RAmghAJ9omc5/1/FRplFLr+wdE+vuEvmd6ACaAuVJ W8irwlPG58fU+u8WONJyzuE= =VDuI -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

June 2, 2006

Re: [Wlug] dhcpd question

by Theo Van Dinter

On Fri, Jun 02, 2006 at 12:22:22PM -0700, Mike Leo wrote: > could you just assign that MAC a bad IP setup? like the wrong netmask or something? Would that > solve your problem? fwiw, I believe the "correct" method is listed in the dhcpd.conf man page. Look for "ALLOW AND DENY WITHIN POOL DECLARATIONS". there's a way to do allow/deny. without digging further, I'd guess you make a class with the mac addr's you don't want getting addresses, then deny the class. -- Randomly Generated Tagline: "It's kind of like wanting to be in a band, but being a roadie ..." - Instructor Otten

June 2, 2006

Re: [Wlug] dhcpd question

by Mike Leo

could you just assign that MAC a bad IP setup? like the wrong netmask or something? Would that solve your problem? --- joel d <joelgroup(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 20:50:40 -0400 > >From: Eric Martin <freak4uxxx(a)gmail.com> > >Subject: [Wlug] dhcpd question > >To: Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> > > > >Does anybody know how to block a specific mac address from getting a > >dhcp addres in isc dhcpd? I know I can do it with ip tables, and I > >know that they will still be able to set a static ip, but I need to do > >it this way. I have the notion I need to use pool, and set a known > >host and then deny, but I can't get it right. Any help would be > >appreciated. > > > >Eric > > Did you possibly try googling on DHCP and MAC? > > I know this answer is out there as I have successfully googled it before. > > Any help past that would require doing it for you (and $$). > > Joel > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

June 2, 2006

dhcpd question

by joel d

>Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 20:50:40 -0400 >From: Eric Martin <freak4uxxx(a)gmail.com> >Subject: [Wlug] dhcpd question >To: Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> > >Does anybody know how to block a specific mac address from getting a >dhcp addres in isc dhcpd? I know I can do it with ip tables, and I >know that they will still be able to set a static ip, but I need to do >it this way. I have the notion I need to use pool, and set a known >host and then deny, but I can't get it right. Any help would be >appreciated. > >Eric Did you possibly try googling on DHCP and MAC? I know this answer is out there as I have successfully googled it before. Any help past that would require doing it for you (and $$). Joel

June 2, 2006

Children Computer Camps

by Yury I Vashugin

Does anyone know any computer camps for children in Worcester-Boston Area? Thank you.

June 2, 2006

Re: [Wlug] BarCamp: The great unconference

by Brian Waite

Correction on the URL: http://barcamp.org/BarCampBoston On Friday 02 June 2006 8:50 am, Brian Waite wrote: > ard of this already, but it is a very interesting > concpet. June 3-4 in Maynard is barcamp Boston. it is a conference held by > the attenees. THe web page explains it best. I

June 2, 2006

Re: [Wlug] BarCamp: The great unconference

by Brett Russ

typo in URL, use: http://barcamp.org/BarCampBoston else you'll be editing a new wiki page :-) On 6/2/06, Brian Waite <linwoes(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Everyone has probably heard of this already, but it is a very interesting > concpet. June 3-4 in Maynard is barcamp Boston. it is a conference held by > the attenees. THe web page explains it best. I can't see it not being a good > time. > http://barcamp.org/BarCampBoston > > Thanks > Brian > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

June 2, 2006

BarCamp: The great unconference

by Brian Waite

Everyone has probably heard of this already, but it is a very interesting concpet. June 3-4 in Maynard is barcamp Boston. it is a conference held by the attenees. THe web page explains it best. I can't see it not being a good time. http://barcamp.org/BaCampBoston Thanks Brian

June 2, 2006

Re: [Wlug] Ad-Hoc Open Source conference "of, for, and by the programmers"

by AlReinhart

FYI: Some of you might be interested in this, coming up this weekend at Monster.com… http://barcamp.org/BarCampBoston Chuck Anderson wrote: > This looks like a really cool idea. > > http://www.boxesandarrows.com/view/an_open_source_conference_barcamp > > It was brought up on the Fedora Marketing list to see what people > think of it for the next Fedora Users and Developers Conference > (FUDcon). > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > -- ---------------------------------- Al Reinhart Phone: (508) 869-6417 DisCom Systems eMail: Reinhart(a)DisCom.com www.DisCom.com

June 2, 2006

Re: [Wlug] dhcpd question

by Bill Smith

On Thu, 2006-06-01 at 17:58 -0400, Andy Stewart wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Eric Martin wrote: > > I would do it that way, but I can't....It's an assignment for > > class...I've check all of my books, went on the internet...(I've been > > at this for two weeks). My professor says it can be done and I'm sure > > it can...I just didn't know if anybody here had an idea. > > What's this? You want us to do your class homework for you? WTF?! :-) Isn't there a surcharge or something that gets imposed before we do people's homework assignments? ;) > Next you'll want to know how to edit the password file in single user > mode to break into the professor's computer and change your grade. Oh, > wait, you already know how to do that....... ;-) Yeah, but the problem is that the scripts for those menial tasks are written in VB. Thanks to a certain company in Redmond (!!), those scripts won't run under *nix. :D ...Bill

June 2, 2006

Re: [Wlug] dhcpd question

by Eric Martin

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I already checked the man page, I'm just hitting the list as a last resort (I figured most people would share Andy's feelings on helping me w/homework). :) Thanks for the tip on the handbook though! Chuck Anderson wrote: > On Thu, Jun 01, 2006 at 02:30:44PM -0400, Eric Martin wrote: >> I would do it that way, but I can't....It's an assignment for >> class...I've check all of my books, went on the internet...(I've >> been at this for two weeks). My professor says it can be done >> and I'm sure it can...I just didn't know if anybody here had an >> idea. > > The answer should definately be in the DHCP Handbook by Droms & > Lemon. Also, the manual pages are pretty good. Check out > dhcpd.conf(5). _______________________________________________ Wlug > mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFEf4HoaI8VEtSi4H8RAv4tAJ9TCttFkHWFVuvLl04M+E0mUh4PVACfZubh EtuuyNlkVnqSlXLQgcHeYAo= =7l+T -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

June 2, 2006

Re: [Wlug] dhcpd question

by Chuck Anderson

On Thu, Jun 01, 2006 at 02:30:44PM -0400, Eric Martin wrote: > I would do it that way, but I can't....It's an assignment for > class...I've check all of my books, went on the internet...(I've been > at this for two weeks). My professor says it can be done and I'm sure > it can...I just didn't know if anybody here had an idea. The answer should definately be in the DHCP Handbook by Droms & Lemon. Also, the manual pages are pretty good. Check out dhcpd.conf(5).

June 1, 2006

Re: [Wlug] dhcpd question

by Andy Stewart

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Eric Martin wrote: > I would do it that way, but I can't....It's an assignment for > class...I've check all of my books, went on the internet...(I've been > at this for two weeks). My professor says it can be done and I'm sure > it can...I just didn't know if anybody here had an idea. What's this? You want us to do your class homework for you? WTF?! :-) Next you'll want to know how to edit the password file in single user mode to break into the professor's computer and change your grade. Oh, wait, you already know how to do that....... ;-) ROTFLMAO, Andy > > Jared Greenwald wrote: > >>>If you don't have a pool and just specify the clients you want to >>>allow, then that would do essentially the same thing, no? Except >>>that it would also block all other unknown clients, not sure if >>>that was what you were going for or not... >>> >>>-Jared >>> >>>On 5/31/06, Eric Martin <freak4uxxx(a)gmail.com> wrote: Does anybody >>>know how to block a specific mac address from getting a dhcp addres >>>in isc dhcpd? I know I can do it with ip tables, and I know that >>>they will still be able to set a static ip, but I need to do it >>>this way. I have the notion I need to use pool, and set a known >>>host and then deny, but I can't get it right. Any help would be >>>appreciated. >>> >>>Eric >>> >>>_______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list >>>Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >>> >>>>_______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list >>>> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >>> _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug - -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA, USA http://www.wlug.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFEf2MYHl0iXDssISsRAp2tAJoCtIwscf9fXJVK9B20bo1jVoSpsQCdFpkT tyQGfGLY9W9NoUley0hLnkQ= =pncM -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

June 1, 2006

Booting Mepis from USB cd rom

by Sean Flynn

Just acquired a new laptop that doesn't have an internal cd rom drive, just a "d-bay" usb cd drive. I had been using Mepis on my previous laptop, and I enjoyed it. But the Mepis Live CD chokes when I try to boot from it. The cd does boot in other pcs, so the media is good. I checked my bios boot settings, but I can boot Knoppix and Ubuntu live cds. I figure that to get other Mepis booted there must be a cheat code I can pass, but my little bit of googling didn't help. Couldn't find anything on the Mepis forums either. Could anyone explain what's going on, or point me somewhere for more knowledge on it. I'd like to understand more how a live cd boots and what the difference between a usb cd and an internal cd rom drive are.

June 1, 2006

Re: [Wlug] dhcpd question

by Eric Martin

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I would do it that way, but I can't....It's an assignment for class...I've check all of my books, went on the internet...(I've been at this for two weeks). My professor says it can be done and I'm sure it can...I just didn't know if anybody here had an idea. Jared Greenwald wrote: > If you don't have a pool and just specify the clients you want to > allow, then that would do essentially the same thing, no? Except > that it would also block all other unknown clients, not sure if > that was what you were going for or not... > > -Jared > > On 5/31/06, Eric Martin <freak4uxxx(a)gmail.com> wrote: Does anybody > know how to block a specific mac address from getting a dhcp addres > in isc dhcpd? I know I can do it with ip tables, and I know that > they will still be able to set a static ip, but I need to do it > this way. I have the notion I need to use pool, and set a known > host and then deny, but I can't get it right. Any help would be > appreciated. > > Eric >>> > _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >>> >> _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list >> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFEfzJTaI8VEtSi4H8RAnXBAKDinmFpYAHp/3LA+3SX2jVNRKm/1QCgq5OV Jd1BdHwqZzpk+tbIo2EobLk= =aY3I -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

June 1, 2006

Re: [Wlug] dhcpd question

by Jared Greenwald

If you don't have a pool and just specify the clients you want to allow, then that would do essentially the same thing, no? Except that it would also block all other unknown clients, not sure if that was what you were going for or not... -Jared On 5/31/06, Eric Martin <freak4uxxx(a)gmail.com> wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Does anybody know how to block a specific mac address from getting a > dhcp addres in isc dhcpd? I know I can do it with ip tables, and I > know that they will still be able to set a static ip, but I need to do > it this way. I have the notion I need to use pool, and set a known > host and then deny, but I can't get it right. Any help would be > appreciated. > > Eric > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.2 (GNU/Linux) > > iD8DBQFEfjngaI8VEtSi4H8RAhgrAJwOaRJyQZAQsr0OGa23dCAUOgV9pwCeKNEw > c4TFkAL+y/V9OzFGvF46wnw= > =EKUv > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

June 1, 2006

Ad-Hoc Open Source conference "of, for, and by the programmers"

by Chuck Anderson

This looks like a really cool idea. http://www.boxesandarrows.com/view/an_open_source_conference_barcamp It was brought up on the Fedora Marketing list to see what people think of it for the next Fedora Users and Developers Conference (FUDcon).

June 1, 2006

dhcpd question

by Eric Martin

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Does anybody know how to block a specific mac address from getting a dhcp addres in isc dhcpd? I know I can do it with ip tables, and I know that they will still be able to set a static ip, but I need to do it this way. I have the notion I need to use pool, and set a known host and then deny, but I can't get it right. Any help would be appreciated. Eric -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFEfjngaI8VEtSi4H8RAhgrAJwOaRJyQZAQsr0OGa23dCAUOgV9pwCeKNEw c4TFkAL+y/V9OzFGvF46wnw= =EKUv -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

June 1, 2006

Job Opportunity

by Andy Stewart

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 - -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Linux /MySQL Developer/Administrator Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 14:37:51 -0700 From: Sajith Vijayan <sajith(a)techsmartsinc.com> Reply-To: sajith(a)techsmartsinc.com To: <andystewart(a)comcast.net> Hi *,* I represent TechSmarts, Inc. We have a client looking for a Linux/MySQL Admin. You being an expert in the area and responsible for the Linux/MySql community, I would greatly appreciate if you can provide a reference of a good candidate who will be interested in the position. Position: Linux /MySQL Developer/Administrator Location: Needham, MA The individual will be closely working with the Development and Architecture team to discuss the product evolution and implementation strategies *Requirements*: Linux and MySQL Developer/Administrator. You will perform duties related to Linux system administration and MySQL database development/administration. Experience with Perl and Shell scripting is required in order to generate reports and to load data into MySQL. Thank you for taking the time to review this position. You could call me or email me to discuss these opportunities. TechSmarts, Inc offers the most referral program in the industry. If you refer a colleague or friend who gets the above position, TechSmarts, Inc will pay you for your referral works. For example, if the above position goes for 6 months, the referral fee to you would be $1500. Not bad for helping out a colleague or friend. Please visit our website at www.techsmartsinc.com <http://www.techsmartsinc.com/> Thanks Sajith Sajith Vijayan TechSmarts, Inc (p) 781-210-2438 (f) 208-988-3640 www.TechSmartsinc.com <http://www.techsmartsinc.com/> /Smart People, Smarter Solutions/ - -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA, USA http://www.wlug.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFEfMTWHl0iXDssISsRAlZBAJ96BUU71DZM8Rc4NkKoKEJpGfvXAQCggdmm HZGhWCKhCiiJdI9zJmUhoz0= =Z60Y -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

May 30, 2006

Early Reminder: Meeting June 7th - Sybase on Linux

by Andy Stewart

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 HI Everybody, I want to send out this early reminder about our upcoming WLUG meeting. It will be held on Wednesday, June 7th at 7:00 PM in the Access Grid room on the WPI campus in Worcester, MA USA. At this meeting, Patrick Enright from Sybase Inc. will be talking about Sybase on Linux. Patrick was kind enough to send me a bunch of Sybase tee shirts, CDs, posters, etc. which I'll bring to the meeting and give away to the membership. After the meeting, we'll go out and have pizza, soda, and great conversation at the Tech Pizza Restaurant on Highland Street. I look forward to seeing you there! Andy - -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA, USA http://www.wlug.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFEe5ULHl0iXDssISsRAvNFAKCEP2V4pqH+kAPYCUpA6/cDBtTJrwCbB8MZ Lx4RcZ7YT+qb7y9hV75TO1M= =akJX -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

May 30, 2006

Job Opportunity at MathWorks

by Andy Stewart

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 If interested, please contact the recruiter directly, and tell him "WLUG sent you". :-) ===== I?ve included the URL below for the role but in a nut shell we are looking for a Sr. Unix Admin who also has a personality. This individual will be responsible for being the liaison to the development group and therefore needs to have experience being a ?thought leader? and establishing ?best practice? within a group. Take a look at the job description and give me a shout! You can learn more about MathWorks at www.mathworks.com Job: http://www.mathworks.com/company/jobs/opportunities/Job4481.html Thanks for your time! Eric Eric Ellis The MathWorks 3 Apple Hill Road Natick, MA 01760 www.mathworks.com p: 508-647-4423 ===== - -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA, USA http://www.wlug.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFEe2nKHl0iXDssISsRAobvAJ9HS067/1VMc8uCzhAb8UbkOZCpFQCfWysy w30WirDldD2VeOIt/KViDbs= =2gXp -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

May 29, 2006

Job Opportunity

by Andy Stewart

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi all, If you are interested in this job opportunity, please contact the recruiter directly. I'll try to use the words "Job Opportunity" in the subject line of similar emails henceforth, in case you consider such things spam. Later, Andy ======= Our client in MA (QUALIFIED candidates only please) has a new project in which they are porting new OO technology written in Solaris to a Linux based platform. We need a lead and several engineers after the lead is hired. Job description: A lead engineer and several sr level engineers needed to porting some new OO technology written for a Solaris platform to their Linux based platform. The code will need to be modified to run on multiple platforms, both Solaris and Linux. The work requires proven experience in being able to port a telecom application from Solaris with the intent of making it multi-platform on Solaris/Linux (Uni-platform port from Solaris to multi-platform support on Solaris/Linux) * Porting of telecom applications on highly-available, distributed systems (platform level experience...drivers, kernel, etc) * Understanding of nuances between 32 bit vs 64 bit architecture If you are interested and qualified, please send your resume to jspencer(a)optimaleng.com ======= - -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA, USA http://www.wlug.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFEe2iXHl0iXDssISsRArKdAJ9UMHJ4snqVO+SWwf+vcjClYH6csACghBkr S0dbTDBRhSujg9ZsFOwDIo0= =AyiR -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

May 29, 2006

Re: [Wlug] odbc help

by Jared Greenwald

Where did you get this iodbc package? I searched (admittedly not for very long) on the php.net site and didn't find it there - only the odbc package. -Jared On 5/28/06, Mike Leo <mleo963(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > thanks for the reply. > > I have followed similar instructions via link one already, to no avail, but I will try again with > this link now, too. > > The "isql -v MSSQLServer username password" currently works, but my iodbctest doesn't, nor do PHP > connections, refering to not being able to load the driver. > > I'll keep at it... > > --- Jared Greenwald <greenwaldjared(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > What's iodbctest? Why not use the standard odbc interfaces? > > > > http://us2.php.net/manual/en/ref.uodbc.php > > > > A simple google search turned up this page expaining a simple usage: > > > > http://www.linuxjournal.com/node/6636/print > > > > -Jared > > > > On 5/28/06, Mike Leo <mleo963(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > Has anyone ever gotten a linux box to speak to a MS SQL server? > > > > > > > > > I am only assuming i need to configure an odbc DSN from linux to MSSQL, but am not successful > > yet. > > > > > > The end goal is to get phpBB2 to talk to my existing MSSQL database. > > > > > > In order for that to happen, apache has to use php and php has to use an odbc connection to MS > > > SQL. > > > > > > Well, php in apache is working now, and php is set to use MS SQL. > > > > > > isql -s SERVER NAME PWD connects me to my MS SQL database just fine, but iodbctest is > > failing. > > > > > > I don't know enough to know what is wrong. > > > > > > Any help would be greatly apreciated! > > > > > > mike > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Wlug mailing list > > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wlug mailing list > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

May 28, 2006

Re: [Wlug] odbc help

by Mike Leo

thanks for the reply. I have followed similar instructions via link one already, to no avail, but I will try again with this link now, too. The "isql -v MSSQLServer username password" currently works, but my iodbctest doesn't, nor do PHP connections, refering to not being able to load the driver. I'll keep at it... --- Jared Greenwald <greenwaldjared(a)gmail.com> wrote: > What's iodbctest? Why not use the standard odbc interfaces? > > http://us2.php.net/manual/en/ref.uodbc.php > > A simple google search turned up this page expaining a simple usage: > > http://www.linuxjournal.com/node/6636/print > > -Jared > > On 5/28/06, Mike Leo <mleo963(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > Has anyone ever gotten a linux box to speak to a MS SQL server? > > > > > > I am only assuming i need to configure an odbc DSN from linux to MSSQL, but am not successful > yet. > > > > The end goal is to get phpBB2 to talk to my existing MSSQL database. > > > > In order for that to happen, apache has to use php and php has to use an odbc connection to MS > > SQL. > > > > Well, php in apache is working now, and php is set to use MS SQL. > > > > isql -s SERVER NAME PWD connects me to my MS SQL database just fine, but iodbctest is > failing. > > > > I don't know enough to know what is wrong. > > > > Any help would be greatly apreciated! > > > > mike > > _______________________________________________ > > Wlug mailing list > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

May 28, 2006

Re: [Wlug] odbc help

by Jared Greenwald

What's iodbctest? Why not use the standard odbc interfaces? http://us2.php.net/manual/en/ref.uodbc.php A simple google search turned up this page expaining a simple usage: http://www.linuxjournal.com/node/6636/print -Jared On 5/28/06, Mike Leo <mleo963(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > Has anyone ever gotten a linux box to speak to a MS SQL server? > > > I am only assuming i need to configure an odbc DSN from linux to MSSQL, but am not successful yet. > > The end goal is to get phpBB2 to talk to my existing MSSQL database. > > In order for that to happen, apache has to use php and php has to use an odbc connection to MS > SQL. > > Well, php in apache is working now, and php is set to use MS SQL. > > isql -s SERVER NAME PWD connects me to my MS SQL database just fine, but iodbctest is failing. > > I don't know enough to know what is wrong. > > Any help would be greatly apreciated! > > mike > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

May 28, 2006

odbc help

by Mike Leo

Has anyone ever gotten a linux box to speak to a MS SQL server? I am only assuming i need to configure an odbc DSN from linux to MSSQL, but am not successful yet. The end goal is to get phpBB2 to talk to my existing MSSQL database. In order for that to happen, apache has to use php and php has to use an odbc connection to MS SQL. Well, php in apache is working now, and php is set to use MS SQL. isql -s SERVER NAME PWD connects me to my MS SQL database just fine, but iodbctest is failing. I don't know enough to know what is wrong. Any help would be greatly apreciated! mike

May 28, 2006

SORRY - Re: Incompatible versions of Mysql 4.0.x and NPTL based systems?

by Michael Zarozinski

I meant to send this to our server host! Michael Zarozinski wrote: > We're running MySQL 4.0.26 - does that matter? > > Would Hostgator email us if there was a true and urgent compatibility issue? > > Thanx, > > Michael > > Chuck Anderson wrote: > >> On Wed, May 24, 2006 at 11:19:30AM -0400, Michael Zarozinski wrote: >> >> >>> Important Notice: Incompatible versions of Mysql 4.0.x and NPTL based >>> systems./* >>> If you are running a newer linux system which is NPTL based (CentOS 4, >>> Fedora 3+, RHE 4, etc) and are having problems with MySQL 4.0.x >>> (versions later then 4.0.23*), we recommend upgrading to MySQL 4.1.x as >>> we have determined that there are compatibility issues on these platforms. >>> >>> We're running RHE4 (which _is_ NPTL based) and MySQL 4.0.26 >>> >>> >> You should update your RHEL4 system, as the latest package available >> from Red Hat Network is 4.1.12 I believe. >> _______________________________________________ >> Wlug mailing list >> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > >

May 24, 2006

Re: [Wlug] Incompatible versions of Mysql 4.0.x and NPTL based systems?

by Michael Zarozinski

We're running MySQL 4.0.26 - does that matter? Would Hostgator email us if there was a true and urgent compatibility issue? Thanx, Michael Chuck Anderson wrote: > On Wed, May 24, 2006 at 11:19:30AM -0400, Michael Zarozinski wrote: > >> Important Notice: Incompatible versions of Mysql 4.0.x and NPTL based >> systems./* >> If you are running a newer linux system which is NPTL based (CentOS 4, >> Fedora 3+, RHE 4, etc) and are having problems with MySQL 4.0.x >> (versions later then 4.0.23*), we recommend upgrading to MySQL 4.1.x as >> we have determined that there are compatibility issues on these platforms. >> >> We're running RHE4 (which _is_ NPTL based) and MySQL 4.0.26 >> > > You should update your RHEL4 system, as the latest package available > from Red Hat Network is 4.1.12 I believe. > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > >

May 24, 2006

Re: [Wlug] Incompatible versions of Mysql 4.0.x and NPTL based systems?

by Chuck Anderson

On Wed, May 24, 2006 at 11:19:30AM -0400, Michael Zarozinski wrote: > Important Notice: Incompatible versions of Mysql 4.0.x and NPTL based > systems./* > If you are running a newer linux system which is NPTL based (CentOS 4, > Fedora 3+, RHE 4, etc) and are having problems with MySQL 4.0.x > (versions later then 4.0.23*), we recommend upgrading to MySQL 4.1.x as > we have determined that there are compatibility issues on these platforms. > > We're running RHE4 (which _is_ NPTL based) and MySQL 4.0.26 You should update your RHEL4 system, as the latest package available from Red Hat Network is 4.1.12 I believe.

May 24, 2006

Incompatible versions of Mysql 4.0.x and NPTL based systems?

by Michael Zarozinski

*/Hi, I logged into WebHost Manger on our server today and was presented with this message: Important Notice: Incompatible versions of Mysql 4.0.x and NPTL based systems./* If you are running a newer linux system which is NPTL based (CentOS 4, Fedora 3+, RHE 4, etc) and are having problems with MySQL 4.0.x (versions later then 4.0.23*), we recommend upgrading to MySQL 4.1.x as we have determined that there are compatibility issues on these platforms. We're running RHE4 (which _is_ NPTL based) and MySQL 4.0.26 Can anyone point me to more information about this issue so I can determine if we need to upgrade. Thanx, Michael Z

May 24, 2006

Re: [Wlug] hald in ubuntu 'dapper'

by Chuck Noyes

Ok. It's now working as it should. What I did was 'sudo dpkg -P --force-depends hal' followed by 'sudo apt-get install hal' With the 'new' hal, all is working. I must've been the victim of an intermediate broken hal version during an intra-dapper upgrade. I love beta-s/w.... -Chuck Chuck Noyes wrote: > Some more information about this problem; > > "adept" downloaded some upgrades this morning. Among them were some > 'hal' files (hald, hal-device-manager, and a couple of others). After > installing these updates, I rebooted my laptop and tried to pass the > --retain-privileges argument to hald (e.g. sudo hald --daemon=yes > --retain-privileges). The result was that the hald still barked at me > for using the --retain-privileges argument. BUT, the hald man page > reports that --retain-privileges IS a valid argument, however running > 'hald --help' reports that --retain-privileges is NOT a valid argument. > Obviously there's something going on here that needs to be fixed. > > If I go to http://freedesktop.org/wiki/Software_2fHalTraces, I should be > able to use the --retain-privileges argument. My version of hald is 0.5.7. > > Anyway, it looks like a bug. Someone reported bug #44770 against hald > in the ubuntu bug tracking system and it's new, only a few days old. > It's very similar to what I've found. There's a comment in the bug > report, from a developer or maintainer, that says the > --retain-privileges was never valid for the ubuntu hal...oh well.... > > -Chuck > > Chuck Noyes wrote: >> Hi All >> >> I upgraded by laptop from 'breezy' to 'dapper'. It looks like the hald >> does not accept the --retain-privileges argument, even though the >> upgrade tool added it to the /etc/default/hal file. Now the hald won't >> start. Also, my USB thumb drives won't automount. I'm thinking it may be >> related to the hald problem. >> >> If I run 'sudo hald --retain-privileges restart', the command fails with >> the help screen for the command. >> >> Has anyone else out there seen this problem? Anyone got a fix? >> >> I can always comment out the 'DAEMON-OPT=--retain-privileges' line in >> the /etc/default/hal file, so the hald starts without error, but the USB >> drives still don't automount. >> >> Thanks, >> -Chuck >> _______________________________________________ >> Wlug mailing list >> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >> > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

May 23, 2006

Re: [Wlug] hald in ubuntu 'dapper'

by Chuck Noyes

Some more information about this problem; "adept" downloaded some upgrades this morning. Among them were some 'hal' files (hald, hal-device-manager, and a couple of others). After installing these updates, I rebooted my laptop and tried to pass the --retain-privileges argument to hald (e.g. sudo hald --daemon=yes --retain-privileges). The result was that the hald still barked at me for using the --retain-privileges argument. BUT, the hald man page reports that --retain-privileges IS a valid argument, however running 'hald --help' reports that --retain-privileges is NOT a valid argument. Obviously there's something going on here that needs to be fixed. If I go to http://freedesktop.org/wiki/Software_2fHalTraces, I should be able to use the --retain-privileges argument. My version of hald is 0.5.7. Anyway, it looks like a bug. Someone reported bug #44770 against hald in the ubuntu bug tracking system and it's new, only a few days old. It's very similar to what I've found. There's a comment in the bug report, from a developer or maintainer, that says the --retain-privileges was never valid for the ubuntu hal...oh well.... -Chuck Chuck Noyes wrote: > Hi All > > I upgraded by laptop from 'breezy' to 'dapper'. It looks like the hald > does not accept the --retain-privileges argument, even though the > upgrade tool added it to the /etc/default/hal file. Now the hald won't > start. Also, my USB thumb drives won't automount. I'm thinking it may be > related to the hald problem. > > If I run 'sudo hald --retain-privileges restart', the command fails with > the help screen for the command. > > Has anyone else out there seen this problem? Anyone got a fix? > > I can always comment out the 'DAEMON-OPT=--retain-privileges' line in > the /etc/default/hal file, so the hald starts without error, but the USB > drives still don't automount. > > Thanks, > -Chuck > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

May 23, 2006

Re: [Wlug] hald in ubuntu 'dapper'

by Jared Greenwald

I'm no hald export, but I think you're mixing commands. Seems like you want to restart the hald init service, but you're actually just calling the daemon straight-up. I think you want: sudo /etc/init.d/hald restart Sine the --retain-privileges option is set in /etc/default/hal file you shouldn't need it on the command-line (the init script won't accept it anyway). If it still fails, add "--verbose=yes" to /etc/default/hal file to get some debug messages. Let us know what happens... -Jared On 5/22/06, Chuck Noyes <vze284qe(a)verizon.net> wrote: > Hi All > > I upgraded by laptop from 'breezy' to 'dapper'. It looks like the hald > does not accept the --retain-privileges argument, even though the > upgrade tool added it to the /etc/default/hal file. Now the hald won't > start. Also, my USB thumb drives won't automount. I'm thinking it may be > related to the hald problem. > > If I run 'sudo hald --retain-privileges restart', the command fails with > the help screen for the command. > > Has anyone else out there seen this problem? Anyone got a fix? > > I can always comment out the 'DAEMON-OPT=--retain-privileges' line in > the /etc/default/hal file, so the hald starts without error, but the USB > drives still don't automount. > > Thanks, > -Chuck > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

May 23, 2006

hald in ubuntu 'dapper'

by Chuck Noyes

Hi All I upgraded by laptop from 'breezy' to 'dapper'. It looks like the hald does not accept the --retain-privileges argument, even though the upgrade tool added it to the /etc/default/hal file. Now the hald won't start. Also, my USB thumb drives won't automount. I'm thinking it may be related to the hald problem. If I run 'sudo hald --retain-privileges restart', the command fails with the help screen for the command. Has anyone else out there seen this problem? Anyone got a fix? I can always comment out the 'DAEMON-OPT=--retain-privileges' line in the /etc/default/hal file, so the hald starts without error, but the USB drives still don't automount. Thanks, -Chuck

May 22, 2006

Re: [Wlug] Water sensor project

by Mike Leo

Well, i'm getting closer: http://www.ideativeinc.com/leakfrog.cfm http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00004W4B4/102-3009714-8566516?v=glance&n=… I'm thinking I can use this, but then splice into the wires and something something something... I think finding the sensor might be easy....can anyone point me to the means to communicate with it via linux? I'm guessing something as simple as "if circuit is open, do nothing, else page mike", but I am at a complete loss on how to go about that piece of it. Andy's idea of listening for the alarm is good, but what happens when I crank my Battle for Middle Earth II game to max? thanks again and I am still looking through those other sites...thanks john. --- John Stoffel <john(a)stoffel.org> wrote: > > Mike> So i was thinking today, why not put an H2O sensor in and have > Mike> one of the dozen or so computers page/email me when there is > Mike> water present? > > Take a look at the Dallas Semiconductor one-wire sensors. I've got > one sitting right next to me here at work. It's basically a DB9 > serial port dongle (DS9097U-9) which connects over standard ethernet > cables to various sensors. The sensors all have unique IDs and can be > addressed by linux software. > > Take a look for the Digitemp software. It has the drivers for > watching various sensors like this. I built a bunch of temp sensors > for a server room so I could watch temps on the cheap: > > http://www.digitemp.com/products.shtml > > He's not selling hardware anymore, but it's good links to sensors and > such. > > Here's another link page: > > http://www.ibuttonlink.com/Sensors.htm > > which looks really neat. > > Good luck with the water! > > John > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

May 16, 2006

Re: [Wlug] Water sensor project

by John Stoffel

Mike> So i was thinking today, why not put an H2O sensor in and have Mike> one of the dozen or so computers page/email me when there is Mike> water present? Take a look at the Dallas Semiconductor one-wire sensors. I've got one sitting right next to me here at work. It's basically a DB9 serial port dongle (DS9097U-9) which connects over standard ethernet cables to various sensors. The sensors all have unique IDs and can be addressed by linux software. Take a look for the Digitemp software. It has the drivers for watching various sensors like this. I built a bunch of temp sensors for a server room so I could watch temps on the cheap: http://www.digitemp.com/products.shtml He's not selling hardware anymore, but it's good links to sensors and such. Here's another link page: http://www.ibuttonlink.com/Sensors.htm which looks really neat. Good luck with the water! John

May 16, 2006

Re: [Wlug] Water sensor project

by Karl Hiramoto

If you have a free serial port open, you could wire up an open/close switch to one of the handshaking lines to easily detect a water level over a certain point. The open close switch could be some kind of floater like the way sump pumps activate. Mike Leo wrote: > no doubt i have some sump pump work ahead of me as well. > > it wasn't actually the pump that failed, but the hole, but that is another story. > > NOT having water in the basement is MUCH MUCH better than having water but getting paged because > of it...but even with 2 sump pumps, a mule and sand bags, I would rather know when they all failed > and be notified, than not. > > This seems like a $4 dollar solution...plus an excellent opportunity to learn something > new...besides how to make a hole in concrete 6 inches wider! > > --- Marc Hughes <marc.hughes(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> I hate being the practical one, but take the time & money you'd spend >> on that project and install a backup sump pump. You'll be far happier >> with a dry basement than knowing you have a wet one. >> >> -Marc >> >> >> On 5/15/06, Mike Leo <mleo963(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >>> NOTE: Cut and pasted from a web post of mine...i just didn't want to re-write it... >>> >>> >>> Since my arc isn't built yet, and we have recieved 27 feet of rain here in New England in the >> past >>> 7 days, my basement flooded again. >>> >>> The pump went out sometime overnight and i had 3-4 inches of water in my basement/computer >> room >>> this morning. >>> >>> I am smart enough, however, to have everything up off the floor (except my sun workstation!), >> so >>> nothing was damaged but the carpet. >>> >>> So i was thinking today, why not put an H2O sensor in and have one of the dozen or so >> computers >>> page/email me when there is water present? >>> >>> But......I am not a programmer, nor do I have any idea how to interface software with a >> hardware >>> sensor (that I can't actually find at present on the web). >>> >>> So the quetion is, where do I begin? >>> >>> A quick google search finds alarm sensors, but no interface to a computer serial port...they >> just >>> start screaming if they get wet. >>> >>> Even if i did find one, where do I start with such a thing, to interface with an OS to trigger >> an >>> action? >>> >>> Does someone know of a (cheap) product to do this? >>> >>> Not only does is seem like a practical project for the house, I'm sure it will be a good >> learning >>> experiance as well. >>> >>> Thanks for any advise...I'll be out collecting animals >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wlug mailing list >>> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >>> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wlug mailing list >> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >> > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > -- --- Karl Hiramoto <karl(a)hiramoto.org> http://karl.hiramoto.org/ US VOIP: (1) 603.966.4448 Spain Casa (34) 951.273.347 Spain Mobil (34) 617.463.826 Yahoo_IM = karl_hiramoto GTalk=karl.hiramoto(a)gmail.com ------ - The degree of technical confidence is inversely proportional to the level of management.

May 16, 2006

Re: [Wlug] Water sensor project

by Mike Leo

no doubt i have some sump pump work ahead of me as well. it wasn't actually the pump that failed, but the hole, but that is another story. NOT having water in the basement is MUCH MUCH better than having water but getting paged because of it...but even with 2 sump pumps, a mule and sand bags, I would rather know when they all failed and be notified, than not. This seems like a $4 dollar solution...plus an excellent opportunity to learn something new...besides how to make a hole in concrete 6 inches wider! --- Marc Hughes <marc.hughes(a)gmail.com> wrote: > I hate being the practical one, but take the time & money you'd spend > on that project and install a backup sump pump. You'll be far happier > with a dry basement than knowing you have a wet one. > > -Marc > > > On 5/15/06, Mike Leo <mleo963(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > NOTE: Cut and pasted from a web post of mine...i just didn't want to re-write it... > > > > > > Since my arc isn't built yet, and we have recieved 27 feet of rain here in New England in the > past > > 7 days, my basement flooded again. > > > > The pump went out sometime overnight and i had 3-4 inches of water in my basement/computer > room > > this morning. > > > > I am smart enough, however, to have everything up off the floor (except my sun workstation!), > so > > nothing was damaged but the carpet. > > > > So i was thinking today, why not put an H2O sensor in and have one of the dozen or so > computers > > page/email me when there is water present? > > > > But......I am not a programmer, nor do I have any idea how to interface software with a > hardware > > sensor (that I can't actually find at present on the web). > > > > So the quetion is, where do I begin? > > > > A quick google search finds alarm sensors, but no interface to a computer serial port...they > just > > start screaming if they get wet. > > > > Even if i did find one, where do I start with such a thing, to interface with an OS to trigger > an > > action? > > > > Does someone know of a (cheap) product to do this? > > > > Not only does is seem like a practical project for the house, I'm sure it will be a good > learning > > experiance as well. > > > > Thanks for any advise...I'll be out collecting animals > > _______________________________________________ > > Wlug mailing list > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

May 16, 2006

Re: [Wlug] Water sensor project

by Andy Stewart

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Marc Hughes wrote: > I hate being the practical one, but take the time & money you'd spend > on that project and install a backup sump pump. You'll be far happier > with a dry basement than knowing you have a wet one. > > -Marc One could put a webcam and microphone on the sump pump. I've never seen a "sump pump cam" before - maybe you'll be the first?! ;-) Perhaps you should get a water alarm with the ear piercing alarm, and attach a microphone to the computer. Write some software that detects the loud noise and informs you accordingly. Later, Andy - -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA, USA http://www.wlug.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFEaSXCHl0iXDssISsRAtyQAJ9mas4vLct54RMXf6u3hD2EDjjXPQCdE5ao UQlJYc5HTFAMVNv1bXsoN9M= =qG4N -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

May 16, 2006

Re: [Wlug] Water sensor project

by Marc Hughes

I hate being the practical one, but take the time & money you'd spend on that project and install a backup sump pump. You'll be far happier with a dry basement than knowing you have a wet one. -Marc On 5/15/06, Mike Leo <mleo963(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > NOTE: Cut and pasted from a web post of mine...i just didn't want to re-write it... > > > Since my arc isn't built yet, and we have recieved 27 feet of rain here in New England in the past > 7 days, my basement flooded again. > > The pump went out sometime overnight and i had 3-4 inches of water in my basement/computer room > this morning. > > I am smart enough, however, to have everything up off the floor (except my sun workstation!), so > nothing was damaged but the carpet. > > So i was thinking today, why not put an H2O sensor in and have one of the dozen or so computers > page/email me when there is water present? > > But......I am not a programmer, nor do I have any idea how to interface software with a hardware > sensor (that I can't actually find at present on the web). > > So the quetion is, where do I begin? > > A quick google search finds alarm sensors, but no interface to a computer serial port...they just > start screaming if they get wet. > > Even if i did find one, where do I start with such a thing, to interface with an OS to trigger an > action? > > Does someone know of a (cheap) product to do this? > > Not only does is seem like a practical project for the house, I'm sure it will be a good learning > experiance as well. > > Thanks for any advise...I'll be out collecting animals > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

May 16, 2006

Water sensor project

by Mike Leo

NOTE: Cut and pasted from a web post of mine...i just didn't want to re-write it... Since my arc isn't built yet, and we have recieved 27 feet of rain here in New England in the past 7 days, my basement flooded again. The pump went out sometime overnight and i had 3-4 inches of water in my basement/computer room this morning. I am smart enough, however, to have everything up off the floor (except my sun workstation!), so nothing was damaged but the carpet. So i was thinking today, why not put an H2O sensor in and have one of the dozen or so computers page/email me when there is water present? But......I am not a programmer, nor do I have any idea how to interface software with a hardware sensor (that I can't actually find at present on the web). So the quetion is, where do I begin? A quick google search finds alarm sensors, but no interface to a computer serial port...they just start screaming if they get wet. Even if i did find one, where do I start with such a thing, to interface with an OS to trigger an action? Does someone know of a (cheap) product to do this? Not only does is seem like a practical project for the house, I'm sure it will be a good learning experiance as well. Thanks for any advise...I'll be out collecting animals

May 16, 2006

Re: [Wlug] Network not working on Fedora

by Theo Van Dinter

On Sun, May 14, 2006 at 01:15:24PM -0400, Brian J. Conway wrote: > Most of the Broadcom 10/100/1000 integrated NICs I've used recently are > Intel chipsets and use the E1000 driver. It might be worth a look there. I've found that the Broadcom ones usually use tg3, fwiw. -- Randomly Generated Tagline: "... and we still have yet to create a neural computer with the sophistication of a garden slug ..." - Prof. Michaelson

May 15, 2006

Re: [Wlug] Network not working on Fedora

by Brian J. Conway

On Sun, 14 May 2006 12:21:38 -0400 Walt Sawyer <wsawyer(a)norfolk-county.com> wrote: > Friday night, my wife was using her computer (lenovo/IBM desktop), then > the DSL connection went down (I wasn't here) and then her network card > didn't work. That's about the time I got home and found that the on > motherboard gig/100/10 Broadcom NetXtreme gigabit... stopped being > recognized. OK, sometimes these motherboard NICs go bad. When booting > in the redmond product, the ethernet connection was there. It was time > to upgrade to Fedora Core 5 so I figured this was a good time. Perhaps > the newer kernel would just fix the problem for me. Well, it didn't. > It would detect that the correct card wasn't there. I checked dmesg and > found no entrys for eth0. I tried adding a 3com (one of the most common > drivers!) card and on bootup it didn't see it, but in the network > configuration area I was able to add it as eth1 (the Broadcom was eth0). > Upon rebooting, it looked for eth0 and eth1 and found neither > responding. > > Is there any reason a NIC would just stop responding? This machine was > working just fine until this issue. > Thanks in advance > Walt Most of the Broadcom 10/100/1000 integrated NICs I've used recently are Intel chipsets and use the E1000 driver. It might be worth a look there. Brian J. Conway bconway(at)alum.wpi.edu "LINUX is obsolete" - Andrew S. Tanenbaum, creator of Minix - Jan 29, 1992

May 14, 2006

Network not working on Fedora

by Walt Sawyer

Friday night, my wife was using her computer (lenovo/IBM desktop), then the DSL connection went down (I wasn't here) and then her network card didn't work. That's about the time I got home and found that the on motherboard gig/100/10 Broadcom NetXtreme gigabit... stopped being recognized. OK, sometimes these motherboard NICs go bad. When booting in the redmond product, the ethernet connection was there. It was time to upgrade to Fedora Core 5 so I figured this was a good time. Perhaps the newer kernel would just fix the problem for me. Well, it didn't. It would detect that the correct card wasn't there. I checked dmesg and found no entrys for eth0. I tried adding a 3com (one of the most common drivers!) card and on bootup it didn't see it, but in the network configuration area I was able to add it as eth1 (the Broadcom was eth0). Upon rebooting, it looked for eth0 and eth1 and found neither responding. Is there any reason a NIC would just stop responding? This machine was working just fine until this issue. Thanks in advance Walt

May 14, 2006

Take my free stuff, please! ;)

by Theo Van Dinter

Hey folks, Sorry to blast this out on the list, but I'm in the process of moving and have a bunch of computer-related items that I'm trying to get rid of. Most things on here are free for pickup (I'm in the Natick, MA area) or if you pay s/h I can send it out via USPS/etc. I'd like to receive some money for the handful of things with a "$" marking, make an offer. :) Send me a mail and we'll arrange something. COMPUTER/MONITORS: $ 2U Rackmount computer, 2xPII 450MHz, 512MB RAM 20GB IDE HD (Maxtor 6E020L0) CDROM (CD-540E) 3.5" Floppy Drive Monitors may not be available immediately (ask for details) $ ViewSonic E771 17" monitor $ ViewSonic P815 21" monitor NETWORKING: 2x 2wire DSL Telephone Filter 3Com Etherlink 3C583A AUI/10bT Transceiver 3x SMC Ultra (83C7900F) 10BT/AUI network card Allied Telesis CentreCom 210T AUI/10bT Transceiver Cabletron 10 Base-2 to10 Base-T adapter w/lanview Netgear 4 port dual speed hub #DF104 Netgear 8 port dual speed hub #DS108 Random BNC connectors (right angle, T, terminators, etc) and cable Zyxel Prestige 643 DSL modem MISC POWER-RELATED: Standard grounded 3-pin power cables (2x each black and grey) AT Power Supply 4x APC ProtectNet P10BT in-line ethernet surge protector APC ProtectNet PTEL2 in-line telephone surge protector 3x APC 940-0024C cable APC 940-0095B cable APC SmartUPS 450 w/ 940-0024C cable It's free but dead. It'd be useful if you're planning to do a TradeUPS from APC and want to get some extra capacity. However, it doesn't even respond or power on when plugged in. APC SmartUPS VS650 w/ 940-0024C cable "Works", but may or may not drop the load immediately upon power outage. I believe it just needs a new battery, but I haven't had it checked out too much, etc. I'd actually like to get some cash for it, make me an offer. MISC CABLES AND ADAPTERS: 3x AT Keyboard extension cable Misc DB15 M-M video cables Serial 25M-25M cable 2x Serial 25M-9F cable Serial 25M-25F cable (long) 2x PS2 -> AT Keyboard Adapter 9pin -> ps/2 mouse converter 3x PS2->9pin mouse converter 2x DB15M-M Gender Changer DB15F-F Gender Changer 4x APC 940-0029A 9M-25M adapters 4x APC 940-0017A 9M-25F adapters Serial 25F-25F Gender Changer Serial 25M-25F Jumper Box w/ wires 3x Serial/Mouse 9M-25F Converter Serial/Mouse 9M-25M Converter Serial/Mouse 9F-25M Converter 2x Serial 25M-25M thin Gender Changer 2x Serial 25F-25F thin Gender Changer Serial 9M-9M Gender Changer 2x Serial 9F-9F Gender Changer (1 thin, 1 normal) 3x 5.25"-3.5" floppy data connection converter 3x 9" (?) internal Y power adapter 2x 6" (?) internal Y power adapter 3x 3.5" floppy internal drive power adapters internal power extender w/ extra fan 3-pin connector Serial 25M-25F null modem MULTIMEDIA: 2 Large Speakers Creative speakers ISA Random sound card ISA Sound Blaster AWE 32 sound card ISA Sound Blaster AWE 64 sound card misc cd-rom/sound card cables DRIVES: $ Kingwin KF23IPF Removable (E)IDE mount 5.25" w/ enclosed: IBM Deskstar IC35L060AVER07-0 (60GB) HD 120MB Connor IDE HD 3.5" floppy drive Mitsumi D359T6 HP Tape Drive C1528F SCSI Hitachi CD-ROM Model CDR-7730 IDE Toshiba CD-ROM XM-5701B SCSI SOFTWARE: Alsoft DiskWarrior for Mac OS ApplixWare for Linux version 4.4.1 Art Explosion Greeting Card Factory Premier CD (Windows/Mac) Descent Descent II Educated Investor Financial and Tax Planning Tool Kit (Windows/Mac) Macsyma 2.3 for Windows 3.1, 95, NT Mech Warrior 2 w/ Expansion Pack Print Shop for Mac Pro Venture Resumes Windows 98,98,ME Sendmail Single Switch 2.03 The 11th Hour (the sequel to the 7th guest) CD & strategy guide The 7th Guest CD Ulead PhotoImpact 6 SCSI CABLES/ETC: 1-2" internal 50pin SCSI extender 2x SCSI Centronics Terminator 68 pin M-M external SCSI cable, 2ft Misc internal SCSI cables SCSI 68pin Differential Terminator OTHER RANDOM THINGS: "Go away or I will replace you with a very small shell script" - XL T-Shirt 2 button serial mouse 2x Wintek PC3200 2GB ECC Registered (may or may not work, have seen issues) 3 button serial mouse 3x new AT keyboards 5.25" mounting bracket for 3.5" drive/floppy Belkin 6 port Firewire hub Belkin TuneDok for iPod w/ Sony cassette adapter Cue Cat HP ScanJet 4C SCSI Scanner w/ 3' 68pin to centronics external SCSI cable (no card) ISA I/O board (IDE, floppy, 2x serial, game, par Misc (E)IDE cables Misc floppy drive cables RCA UHF/VHF antenna Radio Shack pillow speaker SUNON KDE1206PTB1 60x60x25mm Fan new Spool of Cat. 5 cable, unknown length left VGA to 5BNC Cable iRock FM transmitter mouse couch (pad w/ wrist bits) mark 3 VGA Box (4x RCA A/V -> VGA DB15 Output, hook up camera, dvd player, video game console, etc, hook up to your VGA monitor)

May 14, 2006

Re: [Wlug] Backing Up/Moving Evolution

by James Gray

Since it sounds like noone else has responded to your question, I'll give it a shot; even though I don't use Evolution. If Evolution stores emails in clear text, and I bet it does then this might work. You could use grep to try and locate one of your past emails some thing like: grep -rlF TEXT ~/* (From the command prompt.) Replace TEXT with an unusual sentance in one of the emails in your folders. This should give you a sense of where the file is located. Once you figure out where the folders are you should be able to simply copy them to your server. I've done this with Thunderbird (from a win machine to a Linux box no less) and it worked well. If all else fails you might be able to find help on the evolution website. > I need to find a way to move this > stuff so I can get a new dual-boot system (windows/linux). I can't even > figure out which directory all this Evolution stuff lives in.

May 11, 2006

Re: [Wlug] Problem with usermod

by Chuck Noyes

That fixed it! I booted a live beta copy of "Dapper" and mounted my / partition and proceeded to follow Chuck's advice. Now all is well. Thanks guys!!! BTW: the "usermod" command does seem a bit awkward. If I'm a member of "n" groups and I want to join another group, I have to specify ALL "n" groups plus the new group. As Jamie mentioned, there is a "groupmod" command, but in Ubuntu, it really doesn't do what I want. From the man page: The groupmod command modifies the system account files to reflect the changes that are specified on the command line. The options which apply to the groupmod command are -g gid The numerical value of the group’s ID. This value must be unique, unless the -o option is used. The value must be non-negative. Values between 0 and 99 are typically reserved for system groups. Any files which the old group ID is the file group ID must have the file group ID changed manually. -n group_name The name of the group will be changed from group to group_name. And "groupadd" just creates a new group. Mike Leo wrote: > sounds like a liveCD would make short work of this. > > Boot liveCD, mount / somewhere, re-edit your /somewhere/etc/group file > > --- Jared Greenwald <greenwaldjared(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > >>sudo :) >> >>On 5/10/06, Chuck Noyes <vze284qe(a)verizon.net> wrote: >> >>>Unfortunately, I don't have write access to /etc and I don't have read >>>access to /etc/gshadow. >>> >>>cp /etc/group /etc/group.SAVE >>>cp: cannot create regular file `/etc/group.SAVE': Permission denied >>> >>>cat /etc/gshadow >>>cat: /etc/gshadow: Permission denied >>> >>> >>>Chuck Anderson wrote: >>> >>>>On Wed, May 10, 2006 at 10:24:22AM -0400, Chuck Noyes wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>>'sudo usermod -G <new-group> <my-username>'. Now I only belong to >>>>><new-group>. That removed my username from the other groups I belonged >>>>>to, including the admin group. >>>>>Is there a way undo what I did? I do have a copy of /etc/group before >>>>>the change. >>>> >>>> >>>>/etc/group- should be a backup. Also, you need to restore >>>>/etc/gshadow-. I would save a copy of the current files: >>>> >>>>cp /etc/group /etc/group.SAVE >>>>cp /etc/gshadow /etc/gshadow.SAVE >>>> >>>>Then restore the backups: >>>> >>>>cp /etc/group- /etc/group >>>>cp /etc/gshadow- /etc/gshadow >>>> >>>>You can check the files for correctness: >>>> >>>>grpck >>>> >>>>(likewise with passwd, shadow, pwck) >>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>Wlug mailing list >>>>Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >>>>http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >>>> >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>Wlug mailing list >>>Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >>>http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >>> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Wlug mailing list >>Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >>http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

May 11, 2006

Re: [Wlug] Problem with usermod

by Jamie Guinan

On Wed, 10 May 2006, Chuck Anderson wrote: > On Wed, May 10, 2006 at 02:20:29PM -0400, Jamie Guinan wrote: > > But what really struck me was "Wow, what a horrible interface! You > > actually have to specify the full list of groups the user already > > belongs to, _plus_ the new group?!". > > Not Fedora's usermod: > > usermod(8) > > -G, --groups GROUP1[,GROUP2,...[,GROUPN]]] > A list of supplementary groups which the user is also a member > of. Each group is separated from the next by a comma, with no > intervening whitespace. The groups are subject to the same > restrictions as the group given with the -g option. If the user > is currently a member of a group which is not listed, the user > will be removed from the group. This behaviour can be changed > via -a option, which appends user to the current supplementary > group list. If I understand this correctly, the default behavior is that you're removed from every group _not_ listed, unless you notice the part about "-a". Seems backwards, I'd much rather have append by default, with a "-d" to delete from not-listed groups. I think its much more likely that I'm a member of 10 groups and I wanted to be added to an 11th, rather than add me to a single group and bump me from the 10 I'm already in. I'm sure there's plenty of admin scripts that depend on the current behavior, though. -Jamie

May 10, 2006

Re: [Wlug] Problem with usermod

by Chuck Anderson

On Wed, May 10, 2006 at 02:20:29PM -0400, Jamie Guinan wrote: > But what really struck me was "Wow, what a horrible interface! You > actually have to specify the full list of groups the user already > belongs to, _plus_ the new group?!". Not Fedora's usermod: usermod(8) -G, --groups GROUP1[,GROUP2,...[,GROUPN]]] A list of supplementary groups which the user is also a member of. Each group is separated from the next by a comma, with no intervening whitespace. The groups are subject to the same restrictions as the group given with the -g option. If the user is currently a member of a group which is not listed, the user will be removed from the group. This behaviour can be changed via -a option, which appends user to the current supplementary group list.

May 10, 2006

Re: [Wlug] Problem with usermod

by Jamie Guinan

On Wed, 10 May 2006, Chuck Noyes wrote: > Hi All, > > I'm running ubuntu (brezzy), and I just shot myself in the foot.... > > I went to add my username to a new group, but forgot to include the > other groups that I belong to in the command. The command I used was > 'sudo usermod -G <new-group> <my-username>'. Now I only belong to > <new-group>. That removed my username from the other groups I belonged > to, including the admin group. If its a personal system, I live dangerously, $ su # $EDITOR /etc/group :) But what really struck me was "Wow, what a horrible interface! You actually have to specify the full list of groups the user already belongs to, _plus_ the new group?!". Looking around my SuSE 9.x desktop at work, I found this (which does exactly what you were after), [sudo] groupmod -A <user> <group> On SuSE (9.x anyway) groupmod is part of the pwdutils package. But on gentoo, which I run everywhere else, groupmod is part of the shadow package, and it has a more limited set of options, _not_ including "-A". Although usermod in gentoo/shadow has a "-a" option to prevent it from deleting you from the other groups. Sigh... I'm sticking with $EDITOR. -Jamie

May 10, 2006

Re: [Wlug] Problem with usermod

by Mike Leo

sounds like a liveCD would make short work of this. Boot liveCD, mount / somewhere, re-edit your /somewhere/etc/group file --- Jared Greenwald <greenwaldjared(a)gmail.com> wrote: > sudo :) > > On 5/10/06, Chuck Noyes <vze284qe(a)verizon.net> wrote: > > Unfortunately, I don't have write access to /etc and I don't have read > > access to /etc/gshadow. > > > > cp /etc/group /etc/group.SAVE > > cp: cannot create regular file `/etc/group.SAVE': Permission denied > > > > cat /etc/gshadow > > cat: /etc/gshadow: Permission denied > > > > > > Chuck Anderson wrote: > > > On Wed, May 10, 2006 at 10:24:22AM -0400, Chuck Noyes wrote: > > > > > >>'sudo usermod -G <new-group> <my-username>'. Now I only belong to > > >><new-group>. That removed my username from the other groups I belonged > > >>to, including the admin group. > > >>Is there a way undo what I did? I do have a copy of /etc/group before > > >>the change. > > > > > > > > > /etc/group- should be a backup. Also, you need to restore > > > /etc/gshadow-. I would save a copy of the current files: > > > > > > cp /etc/group /etc/group.SAVE > > > cp /etc/gshadow /etc/gshadow.SAVE > > > > > > Then restore the backups: > > > > > > cp /etc/group- /etc/group > > > cp /etc/gshadow- /etc/gshadow > > > > > > You can check the files for correctness: > > > > > > grpck > > > > > > (likewise with passwd, shadow, pwck) > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Wlug mailing list > > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wlug mailing list > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

May 10, 2006

Re: [Wlug] Problem with usermod

by Jared Greenwald

sudo :) On 5/10/06, Chuck Noyes <vze284qe(a)verizon.net> wrote: > Unfortunately, I don't have write access to /etc and I don't have read > access to /etc/gshadow. > > cp /etc/group /etc/group.SAVE > cp: cannot create regular file `/etc/group.SAVE': Permission denied > > cat /etc/gshadow > cat: /etc/gshadow: Permission denied > > > Chuck Anderson wrote: > > On Wed, May 10, 2006 at 10:24:22AM -0400, Chuck Noyes wrote: > > > >>'sudo usermod -G <new-group> <my-username>'. Now I only belong to > >><new-group>. That removed my username from the other groups I belonged > >>to, including the admin group. > >>Is there a way undo what I did? I do have a copy of /etc/group before > >>the change. > > > > > > /etc/group- should be a backup. Also, you need to restore > > /etc/gshadow-. I would save a copy of the current files: > > > > cp /etc/group /etc/group.SAVE > > cp /etc/gshadow /etc/gshadow.SAVE > > > > Then restore the backups: > > > > cp /etc/group- /etc/group > > cp /etc/gshadow- /etc/gshadow > > > > You can check the files for correctness: > > > > grpck > > > > (likewise with passwd, shadow, pwck) > > _______________________________________________ > > Wlug mailing list > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

May 10, 2006

Re: [Wlug] Problem with usermod

by Chuck Noyes

Unfortunately, I don't have write access to /etc and I don't have read access to /etc/gshadow. cp /etc/group /etc/group.SAVE cp: cannot create regular file `/etc/group.SAVE': Permission denied cat /etc/gshadow cat: /etc/gshadow: Permission denied Chuck Anderson wrote: > On Wed, May 10, 2006 at 10:24:22AM -0400, Chuck Noyes wrote: > >>'sudo usermod -G <new-group> <my-username>'. Now I only belong to >><new-group>. That removed my username from the other groups I belonged >>to, including the admin group. >>Is there a way undo what I did? I do have a copy of /etc/group before >>the change. > > > /etc/group- should be a backup. Also, you need to restore > /etc/gshadow-. I would save a copy of the current files: > > cp /etc/group /etc/group.SAVE > cp /etc/gshadow /etc/gshadow.SAVE > > Then restore the backups: > > cp /etc/group- /etc/group > cp /etc/gshadow- /etc/gshadow > > You can check the files for correctness: > > grpck > > (likewise with passwd, shadow, pwck) > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

May 10, 2006

Re: [Wlug] Problem with usermod

by Chuck Anderson

On Wed, May 10, 2006 at 10:24:22AM -0400, Chuck Noyes wrote: > 'sudo usermod -G <new-group> <my-username>'. Now I only belong to > <new-group>. That removed my username from the other groups I belonged > to, including the admin group. > Is there a way undo what I did? I do have a copy of /etc/group before > the change. /etc/group- should be a backup. Also, you need to restore /etc/gshadow-. I would save a copy of the current files: cp /etc/group /etc/group.SAVE cp /etc/gshadow /etc/gshadow.SAVE Then restore the backups: cp /etc/group- /etc/group cp /etc/gshadow- /etc/gshadow You can check the files for correctness: grpck (likewise with passwd, shadow, pwck)

May 10, 2006

Problem with usermod

by Chuck Noyes

Hi All, I'm running ubuntu (brezzy), and I just shot myself in the foot.... I went to add my username to a new group, but forgot to include the other groups that I belong to in the command. The command I used was 'sudo usermod -G <new-group> <my-username>'. Now I only belong to <new-group>. That removed my username from the other groups I belonged to, including the admin group. Is there a way undo what I did? I do have a copy of /etc/group before the change. Thanks, -Chuck

May 10, 2006

Reminder: Upcoming WLUG meeting

by Andy Stewart

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 HI everybody, At this month's WLUG meeting, Frank Sweetser is going to give a "chalk talk" about Ruby on Rails. The meeting will take place on Wednesday, May 10th, at 7:00 PM in the Access Grid Room on the WPI campus in Worcester, MA USA. Afterwards, we'll go to the Tech Pizza restaurant for the apres-meeting meeting. See ya later, Andy - -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA, USA http://www.wlug.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFEX9jwHl0iXDssISsRAmS9AJsE5XwQNjTFfeNhFxzOHSH7y8RaYQCfWHo1 fCy7XB56+Qd8BgyLZUTiEkk= =EwN5 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

May 8, 2006

Backing Up/Moving Evolution

by Mims Research

Hi Everyone, Is there a utility to back up Evolution? Or how can I move my Evolution folders listed under "On This Computer" from my hard drive to the server upstairs? I save a lot of my email. I need to find a way to move this stuff so I can get a new dual-boot system (windows/linux). I can't even figure out which directory all this Evolution stuff lives in. Are VFolders or IFolders the answer? I haven't tried either of those, but I believe we have those abilities here on our network. As always, thanks for all the help and support you give to this Linux newbie. All my best, Marie

May 8, 2006

USENIX '06 May 30-June 3, Boston

by Andy Stewart

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 ====================================================== Register NOW for USENIX '06: the Annual Technical Conference of the USENIX Association at http://www.usenix.org/usenix06/progm USENIX is back in Boston this May 30 through June 3 with the latest research, security breakthroughs, and practical approaches to the questions and problems you wrestle with. You'll also have many opportunities to chat with peers who share your concerns and interests. *** Over 30 tutorials, featuring: o Dan Geer on Measuring Security o Alex Russell on Ajax and Advanced Responsive WebApp Development o AEleen Frisch on Administering Linux in Production Environments o Abe Singer on Building a Logging Infrastructure and Log Analysis for Security o Bill Cheswick on Defense Against the Dark Arts: Repelling the Wily Hacker (See details at http://www.usenix.org/events/usenix06/ training/) *** Three concurrent tracks of Technical Sessions including Invited Talks, a Systems Practice and Experience track, and a Guru track with your favorite academics and industry researchers on such timely topics as: o Greg Brandeau of Pixar on "Why Mr. Incredible and Buzz Lightyear Need Better Tools" (Plenary) o Trevor Blackwell of Anybots on "Real Operating Systems for Real-time Motion Control" o Peiter "Mudge" Zatko of BBN on "Success, Failure, and Alternative Solutions for Network Security" o Matt Welsh of Harvard on "Deploying a Sensor Network on an Active Volcano" (See details at http://www.usenix.org/events/usenix06/tech/ ) *** Keynote by Larry Peterson of Princeton on "Planetlab: Evolution vs. Intelligent Design in Planetary-Scale Infrastructure" *** Works-In-Progress Reports (WIPs) round out a rich week overflowing with presentations, information, and collaboration. Also: don't miss the opportunity to pose your toughest questions to the experts in the Guru Is In Sessions. Mingle with colleagues and leading experts at the Birds-of-a-Feather sessions (BoFs) and at the various evening social events, including a Poster Session & Happy Hour, vendor sessions, and an off-site conference reception. USENIX '06 promises to be an exciting showcase for the latest in innovative research and cutting-edge practices in technology. We look forward to seeing you in Boston in May. - -------------------------------------------------------------- WHAT: USENIX '06 WHEN: May 30 - June 3, 2006 WHERE: Boston, MA: Marriott Hotel Copley Place WHO: Anyone interested in state-of-the-art computing issues WHY: To get to and stay on the leading edge of practical and actionable research and tools HOW: http://www.usenix.org/usenix06/progm - -------------------------------------------------------------- Five or more people registering together get $100 off per person! Early-Bird Registration discounts end May 12 -- register NOW for the best pricing at: http://www.usenix.org/usenix06/progm ====================================================== - -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA, USA http://www.wlug.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFEWq+gHl0iXDssISsRAlIwAJ4uIj+ZmWSpPOlOixG4rle4veBX6ACfXCZx 8F4XjsVouazgM0hJ+6vkyVU= =GxWN -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

May 5, 2006

Re: [Wlug] Bandwidth sharing problem

by Beaty McCloud

Since my home upload speed is relatively slower, I use a modified ipshaper script to prioritize the outgoing traffic (web, ssh, udp...). This is done with the tc command and runs on a linux firewall, but also depends on iptables to classify the traffic. You could do the same for downloading, it just drops incoming packets when rate ceilings are reached for that classification, forcing the sender to throttle down. Of course this runs on a linux box tho. Have you considered replacing the linksys? This would allow you to split the bandwidth, and when one host needed more, would "borrow" it from the other if it wasn't using it. If the other host was/is, then too bad, it is stuck at that rate. More info is here: #!/bin/sh # # ipshaper - DSL/Cable modem outbound traffic shaper and prioritizer. # Based on the ADSL/Cable wondershaper (www.lartc.org) # -Beaty On 4/27/06, Andre Lehovich <andrel(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > --- Gregory Avedissian <gma2006(a)verizon.net> wrote: > > Is there an easy way to limit download speed on one or both boxes to make > > them share nicely? I looked through the manual for the router, and I don't > > see a way to do it there. If there's not an easy way to do it, I'd still > > like to hear the difficult way to do it. > > The buzzword to read up on is "traffic shaping". Assymetry is going to be a > problem -- while you have a lot of control over what you transmit, you don't > have so much control over what the other end transmits, but that's what you > really want to throttle. > > --Andre > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

May 2, 2006

27" Monitor for sale

by James Gray

A coworker of mine is selling a 27" monitor that he is no longer using. Contact me if you are interested and I'll get you his email. Here is his ad: Gateway Destination 27" Monitor - I'm selling a black Gateway Destination 27" monitor. Some of you may have seen the ads Dell has now for the XPS plasma screens, this is a similar concept that Gateway had years ago. This monitor retailed for $400. This monitor's maximum resolution is 800X600 at 65 hertz. It has a VGA cable input and RCA audio inputs for the mounted speakers on the sides. There are two modes, "PC" and "TV" that allow you to adjust the color settings seperately when you're watching television as opposed to using it with your PC. This monitor worked perfectly for me as my television. I used a computer as the center of my multimedia system with a TV tuner card and I was not disappointed with the monitor at all. The monitor takes a standard PC power cord, and I will include one with the monitor. I can also include a 30 foot VGA cable $25 more. If you are running this monitor from a computer with a DVD player, you will be astonished at the quality difference because this monitor operates at 800X600 resolution instead of a standard TV resolution of 484X280. That's about *twice* the clarity! The cheapest 27" TV at Best Buy is $197. This is twice the TV for less than twice the price! Price: $225 - negotiable

May 2, 2006

Re: [Wlug] Bandwidth sharing problem

by Andre Lehovich

--- Gregory Avedissian <gma2006(a)verizon.net> wrote: > Is there an easy way to limit download speed on one or both boxes to make > them share nicely? I looked through the manual for the router, and I don't > see a way to do it there. If there's not an easy way to do it, I'd still > like to hear the difficult way to do it. The buzzword to read up on is "traffic shaping". Assymetry is going to be a problem -- while you have a lot of control over what you transmit, you don't have so much control over what the other end transmits, but that's what you really want to throttle. --Andre __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

April 27, 2006

Re: [Wlug] meeting next week?

by Andy Stewart

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Frank Sweetser wrote: > On Tue, Apr 25, 2006 at 05:22:23PM -0400, Andy Stewart wrote: > >>The website says May 10th (but I haven't yet updated the home page). >> >>There is currently no scheduled topic for the May meeting. > > > I don't have time to do any kind of a real presentation, but if there's > interest I can show some of the stuff I've been poking around with on ruby on > rails. > Chalktalk / stream_of_consciousness works for me! Later, Andy - -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA, USA http://www.wlug.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFEUTl/Hl0iXDssISsRAp9oAKCItuOu+8AaFFLRGgSzlklEODRkDgCfXW7F iuGxzMv/2dU+G++NpAXY3fM= =UGds -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

April 27, 2006

Re: [Wlug] Webcast meetings?

by Frank Sweetser

On Thu, Apr 27, 2006 at 03:17:48PM -0400, Tim Keller wrote: > Chuck, > > I would be interested in this. I noticed there's a couple different > versions of the software. I'm assuming that I'd want the "unstable" beta? Nope - we're still using 2.4 on our room node, and there's currently no interopability between 2.4 and 3. -- Frank Sweetser fs at wpi.edu | For every problem, there is a solution that WPI Network Engineer | is simple, elegant, and wrong. - HL Mencken GPG fingerprint = 6174 1257 129E 0D21 D8D4 E8A3 8E39 29E3 E2E8 8CEC

April 27, 2006

Re: [Wlug] Webcast meetings?

by Tim Keller

Chuck, I would be interested in this. I noticed there's a couple different versions of the software. I'm assuming that I'd want the "unstable" beta? I'm using DSL, and my systems are behind a NAT so I'll interested to know what network changes need to be made for the unicast stuff to work. Thanks, Tim. On 4/27/06, Chuck Anderson <cra(a)wpi.edu> wrote: > > On Wed, Apr 26, 2006 at 10:20:41PM -0400, Tim Keller wrote: > > Since we hold the meetings in the "Media room" is there any chance we > could > > make them available live and/or a podcast? > > Access Grid software is open source. There is a Windows version and > a Linux version (several distribution packages as well) available for > download here: > > http://accessgrid.org/ > > The software normally requires an IP Multicast capable ISP, but there > is a built in Unicast Bridge functionality which will convert the > streams--just select "Use Unicast" from the virtual venue properties. > > I don't think this will work from behind a NAT, though, but you can > try forwarding all the necessary ports (a lot of ports) or using a DMZ > port on your router. > > If anyone would like to try this, feel free to contact me and I'll > help you get set up. > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > -- I am leary of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

April 27, 2006

Re: [Wlug] meeting next week?

by Frank Sweetser

On Tue, Apr 25, 2006 at 05:22:23PM -0400, Andy Stewart wrote: > The website says May 10th (but I haven't yet updated the home page). > > There is currently no scheduled topic for the May meeting. I don't have time to do any kind of a real presentation, but if there's interest I can show some of the stuff I've been poking around with on ruby on rails. -- Frank Sweetser fs at wpi.edu | For every problem, there is a solution that WPI Network Engineer | is simple, elegant, and wrong. - HL Mencken GPG fingerprint = 6174 1257 129E 0D21 D8D4 E8A3 8E39 29E3 E2E8 8CEC

April 27, 2006

Knoppix 5 dvd

by Mike Leo

I got ahold of the knoppix 5 dvd and there was talk about people wanting it at the last meeting.... if anyone wants a copy, let me know and I'll burn one for you. >From what i can see, it is a bootable dvd, but still in German, not english, but I did not explore to much into it. thanks mike

April 27, 2006

Re: [Wlug] Webcast meetings?

by Andre Lehovich

--- Tim Keller <turbofx(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Since we hold the meetings in the "Media room" is there any chance we could > make them available live and/or a podcast? DCLUG and BWBUG have been doing this using Icecast, Ogg Theora, and Ogg Vorbis. For details on their setup see http://dclug.tux.org/dclug_bytes2005.html#200506 'Course if you watch this way you miss out on the informal chatting, which is the best part of LUG meetings. --Andre __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

April 27, 2006

Re: [Wlug] Webcast meetings?

by Chuck Anderson

On Wed, Apr 26, 2006 at 10:20:41PM -0400, Tim Keller wrote: > Since we hold the meetings in the "Media room" is there any chance we could > make them available live and/or a podcast? Access Grid software is open source. There is a Windows version and a Linux version (several distribution packages as well) available for download here: http://accessgrid.org/ The software normally requires an IP Multicast capable ISP, but there is a built in Unicast Bridge functionality which will convert the streams--just select "Use Unicast" from the virtual venue properties. I don't think this will work from behind a NAT, though, but you can try forwarding all the necessary ports (a lot of ports) or using a DMZ port on your router. If anyone would like to try this, feel free to contact me and I'll help you get set up.

April 27, 2006

Re: [Wlug] Webcast meetings?

by Andy Stewart

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Tim Keller wrote: > Hey Everybody, > > I've got a pie in the sky question. My parental duties now proclude me > from attending the Wednesday night WLUG meetings. > > Since we hold the meetings in the "Media room" is there any chance we > could make them available live and/or a podcast? > > Thanks, > Tim. GnomeMeeting perhaps? Tim - do you have broadband at home? Later, Andy - -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA, USA http://www.wlug.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFEULzBHl0iXDssISsRAmSjAJ9ZlRkuSPposZUmJ7KIyB8J9Fa6eACfSLRo ak68axVtK8wGcWOXRIklqXc= =cpKT -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

April 27, 2006

Re: [Wlug] Mail servers, Comcast, and spam

by Keith Wright

(See bottom) > From: Keith Wright <kwright(a)keithdiane.us> > > > From: Andy Stewart <andystewart(a)comcast.net> > > > > In my town, I've noticed that other town employees with > > whom I send email are unable to send return email to me. > > This started happening about a month ago. My ISP is > > Comcast. ... > C:> $ telnet 216.148.227.126 smtp > C:> Trying 216.148.227.126... > C:> Connected to gateway-r.comcast.net (216.148.227.126). > C:> Escape character is '^]'. > C:> 220 rwcrmxc18.comcast.net - Maillennium ESMTP/MULTIBOX rwcrmxc18 #337 > C:> helo dsl.keithdiane.us > C:> 250 rwcrmxc18.comcast.net > C:> MAIL FROM: <kwright(a)keithdiane.us> > C:> 250 ok > C:> RCPT TO: <andystewart(a)comcast.net> > C:> 250 ok > C:> DATA > C:> 354 ok > C:> This is just kwright goofing on you. > C:> Read your WLUG messages I will explain. > C:> . > C:> 250 ok . id=20060425052454r1800cg1fje [f] > C:> QUIT > C:> Connection closed by foreign host. > > It seemed to work, and I am typing this on a machine behind an > NAT translation firewall (other kinds should be transparent). > This is not my mail server, but it seemed to work. > Only Andy can say whether they accepted the message and > then trashed it in flagrant violation of RFC-2821, which tells > how to do such things. Andy never said whether he got that message. You should have seen a two line message from me with almost no headers. If you got the message then I suspect that the problem with the town is not the firewall, but the reverse DNS. Could you post the domain name of the town? I would like to poke at its MX and PTR records to see if there is anything that I might feel like rejecting. Speaking of rejecting, when the town can not send mail to you do they get a bounce message with a reason for non-delivery, or does it just go into a black hole, looking like it was delivered but never showing up? -- Keith

April 27, 2006

Webcast meetings?

by Tim Keller

Hey Everybody, I've got a pie in the sky question. My parental duties now proclude me from attending the Wednesday night WLUG meetings. Since we hold the meetings in the "Media room" is there any chance we could make them available live and/or a podcast? Thanks, Tim. -- I am leary of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

April 27, 2006

Re: [Wlug] Mail servers, Comcast, and spam

by Robert L Krawitz

Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 17:43:53 -0400 From: Andy Stewart <andystewart(a)comcast.net> Comcast appears unwilling to whitelist the Town email domain since this is quite easily spoofed by spam generators. The Town is considering using port forwarding on their firewall to reach the mail server. The Town is unwilling to put the mail server on or outside of the firewall, claiming that the risk level is too high for them to support. Can't you just use an MX record with a high priority number (or whatever it's called, I've long since forgotten) and have your firewall eat packets targeted to it? -- Robert Krawitz <rlk(a)alum.mit.edu> Tall Clubs International -- http://www.tall.org/ or 1-888-IM-TALL-2 Member of the League for Programming Freedom -- mail lpf(a)uunet.uu.net Project lead for Gutenprint -- http://gimp-print.sourceforge.net "Linux doesn't dictate how I work, I dictate how Linux works." --Eric Crampton

April 26, 2006

[Fwd: Job opportunity]

by Andy Stewart

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 If you have interest in this job opportunity, please contact the recruiter directly. ================================================================ - -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Job opportunity Date: 26 Apr 2006 14:35:08 -0400 From: Jennifer Hillner <jhillner(a)hollisterinc.com> To: andystewart(a)comcast.net Hi Andy, I came across your user group online and I was hoping to network with you. I have a job opportunity for a Java Swing developer who is also big into Linux and opensource technologies. It is for a great pharmaceutical company in Cambridge. If you know of anyone who would be interested in hearing about this or other opportunities, please feel free to pass this along as we have an excellent referral program. I look forward to hearing from you. Thanks, Jenn *Software Developer within Scientific Web Application group* Required 1-3 years Java Swing development, new grads will be considered Linux experience Experience with any open source technologies Desired: MySQL or Oracle DB experience This is an excellent opportunity to join a leading pharmaceutical company. This developer will be responsible for java swing development of one of their main scientific web applications. This person will be under the mentorship of a senior level developer so this is a great learning opportunity. 75% of this position is development and the other 25% is general Linux administration and general database and programming problem solving. Sincerely, Jennifer Hillner Senior Recruiter/Technology Hollister Associates, Inc. 75 State Street, 9th Floor Boston, MA 02109 jhillner(a)hollisterstaff.com <mailto:jhillner@hollisterstaff.com> (T) 617.654.0257 (F) 617.695-3807 Visit us at www.HollisterStaff.com <http://www.hollisterstaff.com/> The information contained in this e-mail may be confidential and is intended solely for the use of the named addressee. Access, copying or re-use of the e-mail or any information contained therein by any other person is not authorized. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify us immediately by returning the e-mail to the originator. Confidential, unpublished property of Hollister Associates, Inc. Do not duplicate or distribute Use and distribution limited solely to authorized personnel. (© Copyright 2005 (Hollister Associates, Inc.) - -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA, USA http://www.wlug.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFET+8UHl0iXDssISsRAoL2AJ92oDSNCHDYCtrFeAd6gEmkfIrA/QCfXXny 8b9dOemO3xFRn2q1W6/WGK0= =rYiQ -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

April 26, 2006

Bandwidth sharing problem

by Gregory Avedissian

I have a friend with a bandwidth sharing problem. There are two linux boxes (one Debian Sarge, one SuSE 9.3) attached to an old Linksys 10/100 wired router on cable internet (3Mbps confirmed download speed). When the Debian box is downloading a large file, it hogs all the bandwidth, and the SuSE box is very slow on the internet. Is there an easy way to limit download speed on one or both boxes to make them share nicely? I looked through the manual for the router, and I don't see a way to do it there. If there's not an easy way to do it, I'd still like to hear the difficult way to do it. Thanks, Greg

April 26, 2006

Re: [Wlug] meeting next week?

by Andy Stewart

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Eric Stein wrote: > Unfortunately I'll have gone home by the 10th. Oh well, you guys will > still be here next year, right? > > Eric HI Eric, We meet every month, even in the summer. We'll keep meeting until nobody shows up any more. :-) Sure, we'll be around next year (I presume you mean September). See ya later, Andy - -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA, USA http://www.wlug.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFETvSZHl0iXDssISsRAuU/AJ9j/iysKMUSRkXhRPUSdPLIXIJ/1ACdGjtD mS0RYQZhbrzvQnZLf3ddgm8= =CLMD -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

April 26, 2006

Re: [Wlug] meeting next week?

by Eric Stein

Unfortunately I'll have gone home by the 10th. Oh well, you guys will still be here next year, right? Eric Andy Stewart wrote: > Hi Eric et al, > > The website says May 10th (but I haven't yet updated the home page). > > There is currently no scheduled topic for the May meeting. > > We do have a topic for the June meeting (a rep from Sybase will give the > talk). I have lots of goodies from Sybase to give away at that meeting > (thanks Sybase!). > > I'll try to get the website updated within the next day. > > Andy > > -- > Andy Stewart, Founder > Worcester Linux Users' Group > Worcester, MA, USA > http://www.wlug.org -- Eric Stein WPI CS 2009 Treasurer, Student Pugwash

April 25, 2006

Re: [Wlug] Mail servers, Comcast, and spam

by Andy Stewart

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 HI all, Comcast appears unwilling to whitelist the Town email domain since this is quite easily spoofed by spam generators. The Town is considering using port forwarding on their firewall to reach the mail server. The Town is unwilling to put the mail server on or outside of the firewall, claiming that the risk level is too high for them to support. Later, Andy - -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA, USA http://www.wlug.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFETpgZHl0iXDssISsRArvsAJ95z2vFXZiZVK7eu/A/zBwxgBVWIQCfebM/ gDQBjl+MCVf9/PE68lIpEmE= =Sfj+ -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

April 25, 2006

Re: [Wlug] meeting next week?

by Andy Stewart

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Eric Stein wrote: > Hi all, > > I'm only writing to ask whether or not there will be a meeting held on > the 3rd and if we have a topic. Thanks. > Hi Eric et al, The website says May 10th (but I haven't yet updated the home page). There is currently no scheduled topic for the May meeting. We do have a topic for the June meeting (a rep from Sybase will give the talk). I have lots of goodies from Sybase to give away at that meeting (thanks Sybase!). I'll try to get the website updated within the next day. Andy - -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA, USA http://www.wlug.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFETpMPHl0iXDssISsRAiwvAJ9orMhoVudi2hzxubaUkdYLcWYWlQCfZvvC Y60GVTZjcDaF9dDJFefrThs= =aG8C -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

April 25, 2006

Re: [Wlug] Mail servers, Comcast, and spam

by Bill Mills-Curran

On Tue, Apr 25, 2006 at 11:58:13AM -0400, Theo Van Dinter wrote: > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 12:03:30 -0400 > Subject: > Content-Description: ATT10815498.txt > On Tue, Apr 25, 2006 at 09:36:20AM -0400, Chuck Anderson wrote: > > I'll add that WPI uses separate servers for receiving and sending SMTP > > connections. The sending servers are not in any DNS MX records, so > > any site using "spam blocking" tactics that require the sending SMTP > > server to be listed as an MX would block WPI email. > > Most mid-to-large organizations will do this as well. It would be > complete stupidity for a receiver to not accept mail from a server whose > domain MX record doesn't include that server -- they'd be blocking a vast > majority of domains. What's more plausible is that the receiver is blocking > mails from domains lacking an MX record, but even that's going to cause false > positives (FPs) on a large amount of domains. > > The usual thing that happens is that receivers block mails where the host > part of the email address (to the right of the @) has no A or MX record > at all. Since to the receiver it looks like that host doesn't exist, > why accept mail from it? > > ie: > > HELO nonexistant.example.com > > where, typically, nonexistant is a host behind a firewall, but isn't in the > external DNS zone. Usually all hosts behind a firewall send to a relay > gateway which masquerades the headers and envelope so that the receiving > server sees an externally available name. ie: > > nonexistant.example.com (helo nonexistant ...) -> > relay.example.com (helo example.com) -> > your-server > > so when your-server gets the mail, it looks up "example.com" and finds A/MX > records, so accepts the mail. > > -- > Randomly Generated Tagline: > "Many people equate the word 'daemon' with the word 'demon,' implying some > kind of Satanic connection between UNIX and the underworld." - Evi Nemeth I'm wondering whether it might actually be a reverse lookup issue. I recently had to opt into a static IP at my web & mail services provider so that reverse lookups would work. AOL has started blocking email from senders that don't have a valid PTR record. If the mail server is behind a firewall, this _could_ be the issue. I use a mail server at home behind a firewall, but I don't send directly to the recipient -- I use the "smart host" feature of sendmail. The "masquerade_as" feature might be what they need. The trick is to make the smtp server look as though it's using the "external" hostname and IP address. I'm just guessing, though. :-) Bill

April 25, 2006

meeting next week?

by Eric Stein

Hi all, I'm only writing to ask whether or not there will be a meeting held on the 3rd and if we have a topic. Thanks. -- Eric Stein WPI CS 2009 Treasurer, Student Pugwash

April 25, 2006

Re: [Wlug] Mail servers, Comcast, and spam

by Theo Van Dinter

On Tue, Apr 25, 2006 at 09:36:20AM -0400, Chuck Anderson wrote: > I'll add that WPI uses separate servers for receiving and sending SMTP > connections. The sending servers are not in any DNS MX records, so > any site using "spam blocking" tactics that require the sending SMTP > server to be listed as an MX would block WPI email. Most mid-to-large organizations will do this as well. It would be complete stupidity for a receiver to not accept mail from a server whose domain MX record doesn't include that server -- they'd be blocking a vast majority of domains. What's more plausible is that the receiver is blocking mails from domains lacking an MX record, but even that's going to cause false positives (FPs) on a large amount of domains. The usual thing that happens is that receivers block mails where the host part of the email address (to the right of the @) has no A or MX record at all. Since to the receiver it looks like that host doesn't exist, why accept mail from it? ie: HELO nonexistant.example.com where, typically, nonexistant is a host behind a firewall, but isn't in the external DNS zone. Usually all hosts behind a firewall send to a relay gateway which masquerades the headers and envelope so that the receiving server sees an externally available name. ie: nonexistant.example.com (helo nonexistant ...) -> relay.example.com (helo example.com) -> your-server so when your-server gets the mail, it looks up "example.com" and finds A/MX records, so accepts the mail. -- Randomly Generated Tagline: "Many people equate the word 'daemon' with the word 'demon,' implying some kind of Satanic connection between UNIX and the underworld." - Evi Nemeth

April 25, 2006

Re: [Wlug] Mail servers, Comcast, and spam

by Brian J. Conway

On Tue, 25 Apr 2006, Stephen Ketcham wrote: > Then this isn't the full Comcast story, because I just received your > mail on a comcast.net account. > Same. Any specifics on the bounce error they're getting? I know Comcast, like many providers, will refused SMTP connections that originate from what it or its blacklist consider dynamic IP ranges (cable, DSL, etc), so to get around it I have to relay any mail I send to Comcast addresses through my ISP's mail server (adding "comcast.net smtp:my.isps.mailserver.com" to /etc/postfix/transport or /etc/mail/mailertable for Postfix and Sendmail, respectively). Of course, I'd imagine Comcast distinguishes business class customers from standard home connections, but any more info on the error could be helpful. Brian J. Conway bconway(at)alum.wpi.edu "LINUX is obsolete" - Andrew S. Tanenbaum, creator of Minix - Jan 29, 1992

April 25, 2006

Re: [Wlug] Mail servers, Comcast, and spam

by Stephen Ketcham

Then this isn't the full Comcast story, because I just received your mail on a comcast.net account. Steve On Apr 25, 2006, at 9:36 AM, Chuck Anderson wrote: > On Tue, Apr 25, 2006 at 06:52:32AM -0400, Eric Martin wrote: >> this is a M$ exchange server with an smtp connector. When I write an >> email, the smtp connector stamps it's id on my email outbound to the >> comcast servers. See where this is going? We don't want >> exhange.local.domain to be an mx record for my domain, it doesn't >> even >> face the internet. By this solution that Comcast is using, all email >> from local.domain would be bounced. > > I'll add that WPI uses separate servers for receiving and sending SMTP > connections. The sending servers are not in any DNS MX records, so > any site using "spam blocking" tactics that require the sending SMTP > server to be listed as an MX would block WPI email. > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

April 25, 2006

Re: [Wlug] Mail servers, Comcast, and spam

by Chuck Anderson

On Tue, Apr 25, 2006 at 06:52:32AM -0400, Eric Martin wrote: > this is a M$ exchange server with an smtp connector. When I write an > email, the smtp connector stamps it's id on my email outbound to the > comcast servers. See where this is going? We don't want > exhange.local.domain to be an mx record for my domain, it doesn't even > face the internet. By this solution that Comcast is using, all email > from local.domain would be bounced. I'll add that WPI uses separate servers for receiving and sending SMTP connections. The sending servers are not in any DNS MX records, so any site using "spam blocking" tactics that require the sending SMTP server to be listed as an MX would block WPI email.

April 25, 2006

Re: [Wlug] Mail servers, Comcast, and spam

by Eric Martin

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Keith gave the basics on mx records. The only thing I would add is mail servers talk to each other, so if you look at your mail headers you can see all of the mail servers that your email has gone to. One problem with modern spam solutions is they themselves are a mail server apppliance, as opposed to software. Allow me to elaborate with two common configurations. Mail comes in via mail.local.domain. mail.local.domain is a spam filter pointed to the internet, which results in the mx record for local.domain to be mail.local.domain. This is a less expensive solution, so it only filters one way. Behind this is a M$ exchange server with an smtp connector. When I write an email, the smtp connector stamps it's id on my email outbound to the comcast servers. See where this is going? We don't want exhange.local.domain to be an mx record for my domain, it doesn't even face the internet. By this solution that Comcast is using, all email from local.domain would be bounced. The other configuration is roughly the same, except the mail appliance filters on both directions, therefore allowing mail to pass. (Software on your mail gateway falls into this category). While this solution sounds great on paper, I think they are going to inadvertently drop a lot of legit email. Granted, I don't handle my employer's spam solution (although I used to at my last job) so I could just be blowing steam. Hope they iron out the kinks. BTW, where do I get ISP people that I can talk to on the phone who know about MX records? My guys don't even know what cable modems are. Keith Wright wrote: >> From: Andy Stewart <andystewart(a)comcast.net> >> >> In my town, I've noticed that other town employees with whom I >> send email are unable to send return email to me. This started >> happening about a month ago. My ISP is Comcast. > > I am just going to type something crazy off the top of my head and > go to sleep. Take two and call me in the morning. > >> This description was sent to me by a town employee: >> >> o In an attempt to limit the amount of SPAM on the Comcast >> Internet system, Comcast does not allow external email servers to >> send mail to Comcast email accounts where the sending email >> server's MX records do not match. >> >> o Because the TOWN mail server is behind our firewall our >> incoming mail IP address is different from our sending mail IP >> address. In other words our MX records do not match consequently >> Comcast blocks our mail from being sent to Comcast email >> addresses. > > Your town employees are impressively well informed. > >> Basic questions: >> >> - - What is an MX record? > > A Mail eXchange record is given by a DNS server when you ask for > it. You did not say the domain you are sending to, but you can see > comcast.com mx records thus: > > C:> $ dig comcast.net mx C:> C:> <Redacted> C:> C:> comcast.net. > 900 IN MX 5 gateway-r.comcast.net. C:> comcast.net. > 900 IN MX 5 gateway-s.comcast.net. > > There you see the name of two servers that will (aledgedly) accept > mail for goodguy(a)comcast.net. > > C:> <Redacted> C:> C:> gateway-r.comcast.net. 900 IN A > 216.148.227.126 C:> gateway-r.comcast.net. 900 IN A > 204.127.198.26 C:> gateway-s.comcast.net. 900 IN A > 63.240.76.26 C:> gateway-s.comcast.net. 900 IN A > 204.127.202.26 > > There you see their IP addresses. You can talk to them like this > > C:> $ telnet 216.148.227.126 smtp C:> Trying 216.148.227.126... C:> > Connected to gateway-r.comcast.net (216.148.227.126). C:> Escape > character is '^]'. C:> 220 rwcrmxc18.comcast.net - Maillennium > ESMTP/MULTIBOX rwcrmxc18 #337 C:> helo dsl.keithdiane.us C:> 250 > rwcrmxc18.comcast.net C:> mail from: kwright(a)keithdiane.us C:> 501 > need MAIL FROM:<name@domain> C:> MAIL FROM: <kwright(a)keithdiane.us> > C:> 250 ok C:> RCPT TO: <andystewart(a)comcast.net> C:> 250 ok C:> > DATA C:> 354 ok C:> This is just kwright goofing on you. C:> Read > your WLUG messages I will explain. C:> . C:> 250 ok . > id=20060425052454r1800cg1fje [f] C:> quit C:> 221 > rwcrmxc18.comcast.net C:> QUIT C:> Connection closed by foreign > host. > > It seemed to work, and I am typing this on a machine behind an NAT > translation firewall (other kinds should be transparent). This is > not my mail server, but it seemed to work. Only Andy can say > whether they accepted the message and then trashed it in flagrant > violation of RFC-2821, which tells how to do such things. They are > more tight-assed than most about using the proper case, and I have > never seen one that required the <brackets.com> around the address. > > > >> - - Is it normal for the mail server to be behind the firewall? >> I thought perhaps it would be either exposed to the net or on the >> DMZ. > > If you have only one IP addresses, it seems that either your mail > server must _be_ the firewall, or be behind it. I don't think it's > crazy, but the only way to find out how "normal" it is would be to > break it and see if the people who complain are normal. > >> I am wondering if there is some misconfiguration or perhaps a >> different configuration that could be used to alleviate this >> problem. > > I am not convinced the problem has been exactly described, although > your town employee seems to know a lot more than I do about it. > You may be standing in the middle of a pissing contest. If a > customer and a local authority work together you might get > comcast's leg quite wet. > >> I have no expertise running a mail server and thought somebody on >> this list might be able to help. > > I hope you have learned your lesson about expecting help from > people with expertise. That reminds me of a short FAQ that > appeared in the Managment School Student Newspaper: > > Q: What are those strange creatures in the hall? At first, I took > them for apes, but they all wear bluejeans. > > A: Those are not apes, those are PhD candidates. The hair, > grunting, and hunched gait become more pronounced just before > Qualifying Exams. Rather than run from them, you will find that you > can speak to them, if you ask questions about your homework. The > answers can be helpful if you can keep them focused on your > problem. If the answer begins "In equilibrium..." you know you have > asked the wrong one. > > -- Keith _______________________________________________ Wlug > mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFETf9vaI8VEtSi4H8RApUdAJ40Z5ZleYLDzWmPDexxPhXqD+g5wgCeP5Ro I6DYshgubsdL5XiXt9TLWL0= =bMM1 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

April 25, 2006

Re: [Wlug] Mail servers, Comcast, and spam

by Keith Wright

> From: Andy Stewart <andystewart(a)comcast.net> > > In my town, I've noticed that other town employees with > whom I send email are unable to send return email to me. > This started happening about a month ago. My ISP is > Comcast. I am just going to type something crazy off the top of my head and go to sleep. Take two and call me in the morning. > This description was sent to me by a town employee: > > o In an attempt to limit the amount of SPAM on the Comcast > Internet system, Comcast does not allow external email > servers to send mail to Comcast email accounts where the > sending email server's MX records do not match. > > o Because the TOWN mail server is behind our firewall > our incoming mail IP address is different from our sending > mail IP address. In other words our MX records do not match > consequently Comcast blocks our mail from being sent to > Comcast email addresses. Your town employees are impressively well informed. > Basic questions: > > - - What is an MX record? A Mail eXchange record is given by a DNS server when you ask for it. You did not say the domain you are sending to, but you can see comcast.com mx records thus: C:> $ dig comcast.net mx C:> C:> <Redacted> C:> C:> comcast.net. 900 IN MX 5 gateway-r.comcast.net. C:> comcast.net. 900 IN MX 5 gateway-s.comcast.net. There you see the name of two servers that will (aledgedly) accept mail for goodguy(a)comcast.net. C:> <Redacted> C:> C:> gateway-r.comcast.net. 900 IN A 216.148.227.126 C:> gateway-r.comcast.net. 900 IN A 204.127.198.26 C:> gateway-s.comcast.net. 900 IN A 63.240.76.26 C:> gateway-s.comcast.net. 900 IN A 204.127.202.26 There you see their IP addresses. You can talk to them like this C:> $ telnet 216.148.227.126 smtp C:> Trying 216.148.227.126... C:> Connected to gateway-r.comcast.net (216.148.227.126). C:> Escape character is '^]'. C:> 220 rwcrmxc18.comcast.net - Maillennium ESMTP/MULTIBOX rwcrmxc18 #337 C:> helo dsl.keithdiane.us C:> 250 rwcrmxc18.comcast.net C:> mail from: kwright(a)keithdiane.us C:> 501 need MAIL FROM:<name@domain> C:> MAIL FROM: <kwright(a)keithdiane.us> C:> 250 ok C:> RCPT TO: <andystewart(a)comcast.net> C:> 250 ok C:> DATA C:> 354 ok C:> This is just kwright goofing on you. C:> Read your WLUG messages I will explain. C:> . C:> 250 ok . id=20060425052454r1800cg1fje [f] C:> quit C:> 221 rwcrmxc18.comcast.net C:> QUIT C:> Connection closed by foreign host. It seemed to work, and I am typing this on a machine behind an NAT translation firewall (other kinds should be transparent). This is not my mail server, but it seemed to work. Only Andy can say whether they accepted the message and then trashed it in flagrant violation of RFC-2821, which tells how to do such things. They are more tight-assed than most about using the proper case, and I have never seen one that required the <brackets.com> around the address. > - - Is it normal for the mail server to be behind the > firewall? I thought perhaps it would be either exposed to > the net or on the DMZ. If you have only one IP addresses, it seems that either your mail server must _be_ the firewall, or be behind it. I don't think it's crazy, but the only way to find out how "normal" it is would be to break it and see if the people who complain are normal. > I am wondering if there is some misconfiguration or > perhaps a different configuration that could be used to > alleviate this problem. I am not convinced the problem has been exactly described, although your town employee seems to know a lot more than I do about it. You may be standing in the middle of a pissing contest. If a customer and a local authority work together you might get comcast's leg quite wet. > I have no expertise running a mail server and thought > somebody on this list might be able to help. I hope you have learned your lesson about expecting help from people with expertise. That reminds me of a short FAQ that appeared in the Managment School Student Newspaper: Q: What are those strange creatures in the hall? At first, I took them for apes, but they all wear bluejeans. A: Those are not apes, those are PhD candidates. The hair, grunting, and hunched gait become more pronounced just before Qualifying Exams. Rather than run from them, you will find that you can speak to them, if you ask questions about your homework. The answers can be helpful if you can keep them focused on your problem. If the answer begins "In equilibrium..." you know you have asked the wrong one. -- Keith

April 25, 2006

Mail servers, Comcast, and spam

by Andy Stewart

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 HI gang, In my town, I've noticed that other town employees with whom I send email are unable to send return email to me. This started happening about a month ago. My ISP is Comcast. This description was sent to me by a town employee: o In an attempt to limit the amount of SPAM on the Comcast Internet system, Comcast does not allow external email servers to send mail to Comcast email accounts where the sending email server's MX records do not match. o Because the TOWN mail server is behind our firewall our incoming mail IP address is different from our sending mail IP address. In other words our MX records do not match consequently Comcast blocks our mail from being sent to Comcast email addresses. Basic questions: - - What is an MX record? - - Is it normal for the mail server to be behind the firewall? I thought perhaps it would be either exposed to the net or on the DMZ. I am wondering if there is some misconfiguration or perhaps a different configuration that could be used to alleviate this problem. I have no expertise running a mail server and thought somebody on this list might be able to help. Thanks! Andy - -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA, USA http://www.wlug.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFETaM0Hl0iXDssISsRAqzYAKCIypfN3gf2xKOxc3QGaaeJdfvjxQCdHFTZ 2HNpPjjH/PvR9p2VdTcHzrA= =nnna -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

April 25, 2006

Re: [Wlug] Ubuntu vs Kubuntu

by brad

On Thursday 20 April 2006 20:12, Mike wrote: > At the last meeting someone mentioned some kind of fallout between Ubuntu > and Kubuntu. I missed most the details and was wondering if anyone had a > link to an article that explains this. I have been searching, but Google > isn't playing nice today. > for some reason i get the impression that this dispute has passed and been resolved. calling it a fallout would be an exaggeration. although if you're interested I would suggest reading comments and posts from those involved in the dispute. https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-users/2006-April/004871.html http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/1917 the lead developer of kubuntu was recently interviewed, though that topic didn't come up, it was brough up in the comments of the story on dot.kde.org, which is where i got the above links from. http://behindubuntu.org/interviews/JonathanRiddell/ http://dot.kde.org/1144898425/ -- brad

April 21, 2006

Re: [Wlug] Ubuntu vs Kubuntu

by Andre Lehovich

> At the last meeting someone mentioned some kind of fallout between Ubuntu > and Kubuntu. I missed most the details and was wondering if anyone had a > link to an article that explains this. I have been searching, but Google > isn't playing nice today. Linux Weekly News had a blurb about it: http://lwn.net/Articles/179628/ --Andre __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

April 21, 2006

Re: [Wlug] Ubuntu vs Kubuntu

by Adam Keck

Here is an article from Google news: http://www.tectonic.co.za/view.php?id=962 -Adam On Apr 20, 2006, at 8:12 PM, Mike wrote: > At the last meeting someone mentioned some kind of fallout between > Ubuntu > and Kubuntu. I missed most the details and was wondering if anyone had > a > link to an article that explains this. I have been searching, but > Google > isn't playing nice today. > > Thanks, > Mike > > > -- > Emacs would be a far better OS if it shipped with a halfway-decent text > editor. --Anonymous > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

April 21, 2006

Ubuntu vs Kubuntu

by Mike

At the last meeting someone mentioned some kind of fallout between Ubuntu and Kubuntu. I missed most the details and was wondering if anyone had a link to an article that explains this. I have been searching, but Google isn't playing nice today. Thanks, Mike -- Emacs would be a far better OS if it shipped with a halfway-decent text editor. --Anonymous

April 21, 2006

Re: [Wlug] Linux Friendly Wireless Handhelds

by Chuck Anderson

On Wed, Apr 19, 2006 at 10:45:50PM -0400, Andy Stewart wrote: > I've seen bluetooth and WiFI...I'm not sure it matters which. I have > WiFi but I currently don't have bluetooth. I'm not sure which is > supported at work for syncing to Exch/Outlook. I have a BlackBerry 7520. I like it as a PDA for Internet, Email, Address Book, etc. but it makes a bad phone due to bad UI design and awkward shape. It syncs with the Exchange server via the provider's wireless network (e.g. Nextel). It has bluetooth, but I've never used it. I think it can use bluetooth headsets, but I'm not sure if it can sync over bluetooth. I've used the USB cradle to sync it, but only to Outlook. Honestly, I haven't tried to use it with Linux, since the wireless synchronization does what I want for the most part and lets me ignore Outlook/Exchange completely and just use that as a back-end store for backup purposes. On the plus side, I have downloaded cool apps to it like Google Local Mobile which provides driving directions and maps on the handheld, and an SSH client.

April 20, 2006

Re: [Wlug] Linux Friendly Wireless Handhelds

by Scott Venier

Andy Stewart said: > > I've seen bluetooth and WiFI...I'm not sure it matters which. I have > WiFi but I currently don't have bluetooth. I'm not sure which is > supported at work for syncing to Exch/Outlook. > I've got a Treo 600 (no BT support, or WiFi, for that matter) but sync wirelessly to Lookout via IRDA. It should sync just fine with anything via USB. Scott

April 20, 2006

Re: [Wlug] Linux Friendly Wireless Handhelds

by Andy Stewart

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Eric Martin wrote: > Are you wanting to sync via bluetooth, or... I've seen bluetooth and WiFI...I'm not sure it matters which. I have WiFi but I currently don't have bluetooth. I'm not sure which is supported at work for syncing to Exch/Outlook. Andy > Andy Stewart wrote: > >>>HI Everybody, >>> >>>I'm looking for a handheld device which can synchronize with Linux >>>and with Outlook (for work). I'd like the synchronization to be >>>wireless. I don't much care if it is a smartphone or a PDA - the >>>calendar application is the most important for my needs. >>> >>>Devices that seem to come close are BlackBerry and Palm Treo. I'm >>>still researching this topic, so there may be others. >>> >>>Do you use such a device? >>> >>>Thanks! >>> >>>Andy >>> >>>_______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list >>>Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >>> > _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug - -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA, USA http://www.wlug.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFERvXeHl0iXDssISsRAvHDAJ9SYQIk4PpjSn7e25oJLuX3wIlXmQCeLjFj ltVmQ2ASoI5oYOTNekuyKG0= =NS+2 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

April 20, 2006

Re: [Wlug] Linux Friendly Wireless Handhelds

by Eric Martin

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Are you wanting to sync via bluetooth, or... Andy Stewart wrote: > > HI Everybody, > > I'm looking for a handheld device which can synchronize with Linux > and with Outlook (for work). I'd like the synchronization to be > wireless. I don't much care if it is a smartphone or a PDA - the > calendar application is the most important for my needs. > > Devices that seem to come close are BlackBerry and Palm Treo. I'm > still researching this topic, so there may be others. > > Do you use such a device? > > Thanks! > > Andy > > _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFERvT/aI8VEtSi4H8RAiBFAJ4q+uh4O8+ITfY7Y9BHDk7UZ1nh9QCgzALh v8wZHfrG03eHg2KR0pEo5BU= =hdH+ -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

April 20, 2006

Linux Friendly Wireless Handhelds

by Andy Stewart

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 HI Everybody, I'm looking for a handheld device which can synchronize with Linux and with Outlook (for work). I'd like the synchronization to be wireless. I don't much care if it is a smartphone or a PDA - the calendar application is the most important for my needs. Devices that seem to come close are BlackBerry and Palm Treo. I'm still researching this topic, so there may be others. Do you use such a device? Thanks! Andy - -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA, USA http://www.wlug.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFERuI0Hl0iXDssISsRAjJaAJ9pGc1r/7eXdLU87x2mdAI1ISSCnwCfZWGu MIG//w8z+/RMW21lyYdaP8E= =CZ/Y -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

April 20, 2006

Re: [Wlug] linux courses

by Frank Sweetser

On Wed, Apr 19, 2006 at 01:03:26PM -0700, Mike Leo wrote: > I have taken RH and other week long certification programs and am certified > in many things. > > however, the classes themselves are pretty weak, usually only covering RH and > only what's in the RH book, superficially at best. > > I have read tons of materials on linux and continually do so all the time. > > But does anyone know of a good linux course out there anywhere, outside of > the training mills like New Horizons, or even RH? Well, that depends. After you get into the basics, you need to start being more specific regarding exactly what you're looking for a class on. Kernel internals? System administration techniques? Security? Sendmail? Databases like MySQL or Posgresql? -- Frank Sweetser fs at wpi.edu | For every problem, there is a solution that WPI Network Engineer | is simple, elegant, and wrong. - HL Mencken GPG fingerprint = 6174 1257 129E 0D21 D8D4 E8A3 8E39 29E3 E2E8 8CEC

April 19, 2006

linux courses

by Mike Leo

I have taken RH and other week long certification programs and am certified in many things. however, the classes themselves are pretty weak, usually only covering RH and only what's in the RH book, superficially at best. I have read tons of materials on linux and continually do so all the time. But does anyone know of a good linux course out there anywhere, outside of the training mills like New Horizons, or even RH? College level course's seem to be the best choice so far, but I have not found one yet, nor do I want to spend the time if it is not a mature syllabus. I have been "on" linux for 3 years now, and I am beyond the basic's but not quite into kernel development yet, so a somewhere in between class is what I am hoping for. Thanks in advance, Mike

April 19, 2006

Re: [Wlug] How fast is your CD burner with Linux ?

by Andy Stewart

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 HI everybody, Here are the results of my benchmark. Your mileage will probably vary. Liars figure and figures lie. Past performance is no indicator of future performance. Yadda yadda yadda. :-) NEC 3550 DVD burner from Newegg - ------------------------------- - ------- Read DVD no-dma DMA off (hdparm -d0 /dev/xxx) time dd if=/dev/xxx of=/dev/null 3.9 MB/sec steady at that rate - no variation due to physically larger tracks Read DVD dma DMA on (hdparm -d1 /dev/xxx) time dd if=/dev/xxx of=/dev/null 11.52 MB/sec varied between 8-15 MB/sec as the benchmark progressed there was a definite "cliff" from 15 MB back to 8 MB partway through the benchmark, and it increased back up to 15 MB I didn't notice (audibly) if the drive slowed down. Both reads were 9GB dual layer DVD - ------- Read CD no-dma 3.6 MB/sec (level data rate) Read CD dma 5.03 MB/sec (increasing data rate) - ------- Write CD no-dma K3b burn an ISO image of 700 MB K3b reports 24X average write rate gkrellm looks like around 3.9 MB/sec (eyeball) Burn takes around 4 minutes (approx) Write CD dma K3b burn an ISO image of 700 MB K3b reports 37X average write rate gkrellm shows increasing data rate Burn took around 2 min 15 sec - 2 min 30 sec (approx) - ------- Summary: It turns out that I did not have DMA enabled on this drive. Why? Heck, I don't know. Now that I have dma enabled, and it runs reliably, I'm going to leave it enabled since the performance is MUCH better. Later, Andy - -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA, USA http://www.wlug.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFEQFNTHl0iXDssISsRAh5BAJ0bCDa7eIpvGX6dAyUTsXNaKRF3bgCfZjIL hckU/pg9Ux+9pSYjPfOJbhc= =fizg -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

April 15, 2006

Re: [Wlug] How fast is your CD burner with Linux ?

by Robert L Krawitz

Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 19:52:17 -0400 From: Andy Stewart <andystewart(a)comcast.net> I asked this question at the most recent WLUG meeting. I've noticed that my CD burner (according to K3B) averages about 24X, even though it is advertised as a 48X CD burner. Is this to be expected, or do I have a cheap(er) drive that can't sustain the data rate? It is an IDE/ATAPI drive (NEC3550). It takes approx. 4 minutes for me to burn a 700MB CD (including some fiddling and diddling about calibrating power, fixating, etc). I use Memorex CD-R media (52X, 700MB, 80 min). I'm curious about your CD buring experiences, especially if they are faster than mine. I'd like to know what drive you have, the media you use, and most importantly, how did you determine your drive speed? CD's burn faster (in MB/sec) near the outside of the disc than near the inside, and they're burned from inside out. So they're always going to start slow and speed up. I have a 48x drive, and if I'm burning a full disc (where the CD is capable of that) it reaches something close to that near the end of the disc. At the beginning it's more like 16x; it averages maybe 25-30x for the whole disc, exclusive of fixating, power calibration, etc. 4 minutes net for a 700 MB CD sounds about right to me. -- Robert Krawitz <rlk(a)alum.mit.edu> Tall Clubs International -- http://www.tall.org/ or 1-888-IM-TALL-2 Member of the League for Programming Freedom -- mail lpf(a)uunet.uu.net Project lead for Gutenprint -- http://gimp-print.sourceforge.net "Linux doesn't dictate how I work, I dictate how Linux works." --Eric Crampton

April 15, 2006

How fast is your CD burner with Linux ?

by Andy Stewart

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 HI everybody, I asked this question at the most recent WLUG meeting. I've noticed that my CD burner (according to K3B) averages about 24X, even though it is advertised as a 48X CD burner. Is this to be expected, or do I have a cheap(er) drive that can't sustain the data rate? It is an IDE/ATAPI drive (NEC3550). It takes approx. 4 minutes for me to burn a 700MB CD (including some fiddling and diddling about calibrating power, fixating, etc). I use Memorex CD-R media (52X, 700MB, 80 min). I'm curious about your CD buring experiences, especially if they are faster than mine. I'd like to know what drive you have, the media you use, and most importantly, how did you determine your drive speed? Thanks, Andy - -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA, USA http://www.wlug.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFEQDWxHl0iXDssISsRAleKAJ9te/Y/JJJilRrsM7l3iHSwO3H9qwCfanO+ y6iI3UzEL8uI6wnYM8yfWYU= =lp+Z -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

April 14, 2006

Raffle prize - who won the Gagne book ?

by Andy Stewart

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 HI everybody, I don't remember who won the book "Moving to Linux - Kiss the Blue Screen of Death Goodbye" by Marcel Gagne. The book originally came with a CD which I had removed. The winner didn't get the CD because I couldn't find it last night. I have found the CD and would like to give it to the raffle winner. Whomever that may be, please send me an email. Thanks! Andy - -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA, USA http://www.wlug.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFEPso4Hl0iXDssISsRAqFoAJ41GaOvmT8CVBTyQc44eWOFJUxQSACfTDDj gOsto+WlX+f1IjV6cfq7hTY= =P1BC -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

April 13, 2006

Re: [Wlug] Meeting topic

by John Stoffel

Eric> The stands on the two LCDs are not built for this. It sounds Eric> interesting though. We just got some Samsung SyncMaster 204bs here at work. 20" LCD monitors, nice and bright and crisp. 1600x1200 native resolution, Analog and DVI inputs you can flip between easily. Monitor has a stand (and Windows software) where you can flip the screen 90 degrees to go from wide to tall aspect. It's very nice. I'm thinking of getting some for home at some point, if only because of the space savings on the desks. John

April 13, 2006

Re: [Wlug] Meeting topic

by Eric Stein

The stands on the two LCDs are not built for this. It sounds interesting though. Eric Andy Stewart wrote: > At work, we have a few folks with dual LCDs (only 1280x1024 resolution, > though). They have rotated the monitors 90 degrees so they are longer > from top to bottom, and then put the two monitors side by side. This > seemed strange to me at first, but the folks who did it like the > arrangement. > > This was just a thought for your consideration. > > Andy

April 13, 2006

Re: [Wlug] Meeting topic

by Andy Stewart

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Eric Stein wrote: > Yeah, it's sitting here in my dorm room single-monitored right now. I > can't stop thinking about the dual monitor setup I'll have going by > tomorrow night... > Eric At work, we have a few folks with dual LCDs (only 1280x1024 resolution, though). They have rotated the monitors 90 degrees so they are longer from top to bottom, and then put the two monitors side by side. This seemed strange to me at first, but the folks who did it like the arrangement. This was just a thought for your consideration. Andy - -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA, USA http://www.wlug.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFEPcXOHl0iXDssISsRAnDFAKCJ1UkUfX1IPEikVDnkyezQp5esbQCeMZKL 3LVkpBrafinRGvyxVwRWtFg= =TvSM -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

April 13, 2006

Re: [Wlug] Meeting topic

by Eric Stein

Yeah, it's sitting here in my dorm room single-monitored right now. I can't stop thinking about the dual monitor setup I'll have going by tomorrow night... Eric Andy Stewart wrote: > Two LCDs - is this a home setup? Sweet! :-) > > Andy

April 13, 2006

Re: [Wlug] Meeting topic

by Andy Stewart

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Eric Stein wrote: > As I'm getting a second LCD in the mail tomorrow, I'm probably going to > bring up Xorg/Xinerama dual head setups. I hope somebody will know > something more than I do :) > Eric Two LCDs - is this a home setup? Sweet! :-) Andy - -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA, USA http://www.wlug.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFEPcSPHl0iXDssISsRAm73AJkBKsOt2kHjuXJxNFHXwSeg4GiNTACeIaWZ KJs4c8LisVrFKiAmIvOvYoY= =BxsN -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

April 13, 2006

Re: [Wlug] Meeting topic

by Eric Stein

As I'm getting a second LCD in the mail tomorrow, I'm probably going to bring up Xorg/Xinerama dual head setups. I hope somebody will know something more than I do :) Eric Mike Leo wrote: >Not a technical one, but I have been coming to meetings for maybe a year now, and have not had a >chance to introduce myself, and more importantly, haven't found out who you all are. > >With no topic tonight, can we just have an re-introduction of the members so we know who these >emails are coming from? > >thanks > >_______________________________________________ >Wlug mailing list >Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

April 12, 2006

Re: [Wlug] Tonight's meeting

by Andy Stewart

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 rich(a)richardklein.org wrote: > I've never been to a WLUG meeting before. It's okay for a member of the > general public to just show up, right? Hi Rich, The meetings are open to the public, so feel free to join us! There are no fees of any kind, unless you choose to make a small voluntary donation. I generally put a plastic penguin container on the back table, and sometimes folks put a couple of bucks in there to defray the cost of the soda and cookies which I usually bring to a meeting. The closest thing we have to a membership list is our mailing list. People (un)subscribe at their leisure. As far as hazing, we don't bother. Living in a Microsoft dominated world is hazing enough, don't you think? :-) Later, Andy - -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA, USA http://www.wlug.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFEPW5WHl0iXDssISsRAvrpAJ9rZbKzILxQilczLQ3oUdIweKVg9QCghIgd 5lBHbmbv8asx8IGqxwipMPU= =9eUs -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

April 12, 2006

Re: [Wlug] Tonight's meeting

by Mike Leo

I am only answering for Andy as it is late in the day and I wanted to make sure you had a chance to get this before it was too late... I just showed up the first time as well, and they didn't beat me or make me run Windows as punishment, so I think it is OK! This is a good bunch of folks and I'm sure you will be welcome, and someone is always there to help out with problems...I'll be bringing up RH Clustering myself. Hope to see you there. Mike --- rich(a)richardklein.org wrote: > I've never been to a WLUG meeting before. It's okay for a member of the > general public to just show up, right? > > On a different note, I was trying to set up the Cyrus mail server under Suse > 9.2 and have been having a hell of a time with it. I set it aside about 2 > weeks ago and haven't gotten back to it. If I bring the PC with me, would > anyone be able and willing to help me configure Cyrus properly (or maybe the > problem's with PAM - I don't know)? I suppose I could set it up at home for > someone to access via VNC or something, too. > > Thanks, > -- Rich > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

April 12, 2006

Re: [Wlug] Tonight's meeting

by Mike Frysinger

On Wednesday 12 April 2006 15:26, rich(a)richardklein.org wrote: > I've never been to a WLUG meeting before. It's okay for a member of the > general public to just show up, right? anyone and everyone is welcomed -mike

April 12, 2006

Meeting topic

by Mike Leo

Not a technical one, but I have been coming to meetings for maybe a year now, and have not had a chance to introduce myself, and more importantly, haven't found out who you all are. With no topic tonight, can we just have an re-introduction of the members so we know who these emails are coming from? thanks

April 12, 2006

Low-spec [Re: Recycling centers]

by Jamie Guinan

On Tue, 11 Apr 2006, Andy Stewart wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Patrick Sawyer wrote: > > We can always use working monitors, a p1 or p2 may be too old to be of > > any use though. > > We can also give tax receipts for donations. > > Another thought: I've found that machines around 233 MHz can be used as > Linux thin clients (LTSP). The issue with machines of this vintage is > whether or not the video card can display a sufficient resolution to be > useful with modern software. Heh, lately I've been tinkering with my first 32-bit PC, a 386DX/25 with 8MB ram, 1.44MB floppy, and an old SMC Ethernet card. I can boot 2.6.15 on it, with uClibc+busybox from the buildroot project (like Andy's RouterBoard), and still have around 200K on the floppy for apps/data. One thing that bugs me is that /proc/cpuinfo shows only 3.08 bogomips, but according to this I should be getting ~3.92, http://tldp.org/HOWTO/BogoMips/bogo-list.html#AEN244 I should check the overclockers sites, maybe some LEDs would make it go faster. ;) Granted, I wouldn't have use for 10 of these, but I like to keep a few old systems around just for fun. Anyway, I hope to make it to tonights meeting. I saw someone mention PDAs a few messages ago - I picked up an Agenda VR3 from some job lot outfit on eBay a few weeks ago. A failed product in the market, but I had always wanted one in my collection. Haven't really played with it yet, so I can't talk much about it, but I can bring it for show and tell. -Jamie

April 12, 2006

Re: [Wlug] Ubuntu CD's

by Andy Stewart

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Eric Stein wrote: > I actually suspect that the Ubuntu Livecd is based on Ubuntu. Maybe it's > just a hunch :P > Eric In a sense, we're both right, I think. Take a look at the Live CD and see how it works. I'm pretty sure I saw "Knoppix technology" in there when I last looked. Later, Andy - -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA, USA http://www.wlug.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFEPPsdHl0iXDssISsRAnWwAJ9NZaK/30JULVtu9RnI/slzKd7vbwCePGln 8qEjYfpEQg7MOCL0O267YaA= =5s/g -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

April 12, 2006

Re: [Wlug] Ubuntu CD's

by Eric Stein

I actually suspect that the Ubuntu Livecd is based on Ubuntu. Maybe it's just a hunch :P Eric Andy Stewart wrote: > I'll second the nomination for Knoppix as an excellent tool for teaching > Linux, especially at the user level. I use it for the class I teach and > the studets really enjoy taking it home and experimenting. I suspect > that the Ubuntu Live CD probably is based on Knoppix. > > Remember: you learn the most when teaching others. > > Later, > > Andy > > -- > Andy Stewart, Founder > Worcester Linux Users' Group > Worcester, MA, USA > http://www.wlug.org

April 12, 2006

Re: [Wlug] Ubuntu CD's

by Andy Stewart

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Adam Keck wrote: > On Apr 11, 2006, at 11:37 AM, Mike Leo wrote: > > >>I made the mistake of offering a linux basics class at work. >> > > > Since when is teaching a class on Linux a mistake! ;-) I agree! :-) I'll second the nomination for Knoppix as an excellent tool for teaching Linux, especially at the user level. I use it for the class I teach and the studets really enjoy taking it home and experimenting. I suspect that the Ubuntu Live CD probably is based on Knoppix. Remember: you learn the most when teaching others. Later, Andy - -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA, USA http://www.wlug.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFEPIEHHl0iXDssISsRAuR6AJ40x576cG5h07i5etsnM/iPNLDNLgCfSkG6 u201tCG+32YLtpFEJgnEwjo= =FflR -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

April 12, 2006

Re: [Wlug] Ubuntu CD's

by Mike Leo

Thats all good info! My plan is similar, but to use the Ubuntu liveCD during the class, and let them take their copy home with them. Who ever brings a laptop can participate in the hands on parts of the class (which I haven't made up yet) via the liveCD. Ill have an overhead with the slide's on it and can dump out to a terminal when needed. nice link, too..i might just modify that to my environment. Andy ordered a nice pile of the last Ubuntu...maybe he can do it again with dapper dan (or whatever its called). thanks --- Adam Keck <ghostis(a)mac.com> wrote: > > On Apr 11, 2006, at 11:37 AM, Mike Leo wrote: > > > I made the mistake of offering a linux basics class at work. > > > > Since when is teaching a class on Linux a mistake! ;-) > > Actually, I have taught two such classes to the front-line admins at > work. Of the two, the far more successful class used floater laptops > booted with Knoppix. Knoppix much reduced the setup time and allowed > me to keep the floater laptop guy happy by not blowing away the XP > installs on the machines. I highly recommend it for teaching. I had > various network services serving up a complete environment to the > student machines; all the machines were on an isolated network in the > conference room. I used a USB key to store the net service config > files as well as the course material. I presented the class material > in PDF to the student laptops with Apache. Everyone plugged in a > floater, booted their Knoppix CD, and then browsed to the class > material on my machine. I can't find the text I used anymore, but > tldp.org seems to have some much nicer free texts now: > > http://www.tldp.org/guides.html > > BTW, Should WLUG have a reserve of Ubuntu CDs available? I can put in > an order for a large set if folks like the idea. > > - Adam > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

April 12, 2006

Re: [Wlug] Ubuntu CD's

by Adam Keck

On Apr 11, 2006, at 11:37 AM, Mike Leo wrote: > I made the mistake of offering a linux basics class at work. > Since when is teaching a class on Linux a mistake! ;-) Actually, I have taught two such classes to the front-line admins at work. Of the two, the far more successful class used floater laptops booted with Knoppix. Knoppix much reduced the setup time and allowed me to keep the floater laptop guy happy by not blowing away the XP installs on the machines. I highly recommend it for teaching. I had various network services serving up a complete environment to the student machines; all the machines were on an isolated network in the conference room. I used a USB key to store the net service config files as well as the course material. I presented the class material in PDF to the student laptops with Apache. Everyone plugged in a floater, booted their Knoppix CD, and then browsed to the class material on my machine. I can't find the text I used anymore, but tldp.org seems to have some much nicer free texts now: http://www.tldp.org/guides.html BTW, Should WLUG have a reserve of Ubuntu CDs available? I can put in an order for a large set if folks like the idea. - Adam

April 12, 2006

Re: [Wlug] Recycling centers

by Andy Stewart

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Patrick Sawyer wrote: > We can always use working monitors, a p1 or p2 may be too old to be of > any use though. > We can also give tax receipts for donations. Another thought: I've found that machines around 233 MHz can be used as Linux thin clients (LTSP). The issue with machines of this vintage is whether or not the video card can display a sufficient resolution to be useful with modern software. Later, Andy - -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA, USA http://www.wlug.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFEPB4YHl0iXDssISsRAjfRAJsEf1k7iqa7mWHIvyBbzZIMH2dLfQCcCro3 +t6pywb6IfBlAwpWITueISo= =26NN -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

April 11, 2006

Meeting Wed Apr 12 7PM WPI

by Andy Stewart

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 HI Everybody, Our WLUG meeting will be on Wednesday, April 12 at 7:00 PM in "the usual place" (Access Grid Room, WPI campus, Worcester, MA USA). I hope a few people will be there who attended Linux Expo in Boston - I'm curious to hear about it, and I hope others are as well. Bring your Linux questions - you can ask the group and I'm sure somebody will have an answer. All Linux related topics are fair game at this meeting! I'll bring a few items for raffle (and others might also...). We'll adjourn to the Tech Pizza restaurant after the meeting. See ya soon, Andy - -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA, USA http://www.wlug.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFEPB2THl0iXDssISsRAsqBAJ4vvwT1eRhB7/f/SZiMqNENj+K42gCbBJyF sTKbC8tnSRJ6f7hGgsCz7ck= =982L -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

April 11, 2006

Re: [Wlug] Ubuntu CD's

by Andy Stewart

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Eric Stein wrote: > I have 5 livecd/install sets that I got shipped from ubuntu awhile back. > I'd like to keep one, so you can have the other four. > Eric > > P.S. The meeting is at 7pm in the access grid room on Wednesday, right? Yes, the meeting is at 7PM in the Access GRid room on WEdnesday. Andy > > Mike Leo wrote: > > >>I made the mistake of offering a linux basics class at work. >> >>I was going to use the Ubuntu LiveCD to get the class some hands on. This way, they could take >>the CD and install it if they wanted too. >> >>I figured about 5-10 responders would say they wanted to go to the class. >> >>So far about 20 people are coming. >> >>Anyone have any extra 5.1 Ubuntu CD's they can part with? I need at least 10 more now and don't >>have time to wait for the mail. I know I could make copies, but talking about the free-ness of >>it, it would be better to hand them a nice legit copy. >> >>If so, please bring them to the LUG meeting tomorow if you can. >> >>Thanks... >> >>Mike >>_______________________________________________ >>Wlug mailing list >>Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >>http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > - -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA, USA http://www.wlug.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFEPBxzHl0iXDssISsRArZJAJ9VLWTubkFjncyCpIFucK4NhnMnPACfVB+/ Nl5QEHSk7J0tUuWhpvyhjZg= =tXYd -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

April 11, 2006

Re: [Wlug] Ubuntu CD's

by Eric Stein

I think he knows that copying it is okay. Packaged CDs are more professional AND more convincing. He's trying to get people to switch to linux :)( Eric Eric Martin wrote: > Copying an Ubuntu CD is totally legit...just doesn't look as nice as > the packaged one...

April 11, 2006

Re: [Wlug] Ubuntu CD's

by Eric Martin

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Copying an Ubuntu CD is totally legit...just doesn't look as nice as the packaged one... Mike Leo wrote: > I made the mistake of offering a linux basics class at work. > > I was going to use the Ubuntu LiveCD to get the class some hands on. This way, they could take > the CD and install it if they wanted too. > > I figured about 5-10 responders would say they wanted to go to the class. > > So far about 20 people are coming. > > Anyone have any extra 5.1 Ubuntu CD's they can part with? I need at least 10 more now and don't > have time to wait for the mail. I know I could make copies, but talking about the free-ness of > it, it would be better to hand them a nice legit copy. > > If so, please bring them to the LUG meeting tomorow if you can. > > Thanks... > > Mike > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFEO9UQaI8VEtSi4H8RAoZWAKCVBE7t6/ob0A9JMU4+B8IkHaJfMwCgjsoY C8p0j5d0FKnDSeKOf7iMxJE= =RWmU -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

April 11, 2006

Re: [Wlug] Ubuntu CD's

by Eric Stein

I have 5 livecd/install sets that I got shipped from ubuntu awhile back. I'd like to keep one, so you can have the other four. Eric P.S. The meeting is at 7pm in the access grid room on Wednesday, right? Mike Leo wrote: >I made the mistake of offering a linux basics class at work. > >I was going to use the Ubuntu LiveCD to get the class some hands on. This way, they could take >the CD and install it if they wanted too. > >I figured about 5-10 responders would say they wanted to go to the class. > >So far about 20 people are coming. > >Anyone have any extra 5.1 Ubuntu CD's they can part with? I need at least 10 more now and don't >have time to wait for the mail. I know I could make copies, but talking about the free-ness of >it, it would be better to hand them a nice legit copy. > >If so, please bring them to the LUG meeting tomorow if you can. > >Thanks... > >Mike >_______________________________________________ >Wlug mailing list >Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > >

April 11, 2006

Ubuntu CD's

by Mike Leo

I made the mistake of offering a linux basics class at work. I was going to use the Ubuntu LiveCD to get the class some hands on. This way, they could take the CD and install it if they wanted too. I figured about 5-10 responders would say they wanted to go to the class. So far about 20 people are coming. Anyone have any extra 5.1 Ubuntu CD's they can part with? I need at least 10 more now and don't have time to wait for the mail. I know I could make copies, but talking about the free-ness of it, it would be better to hand them a nice legit copy. If so, please bring them to the LUG meeting tomorow if you can. Thanks... Mike

April 11, 2006

Re: [Wlug] Recycling centers

by Patrick Sawyer

We can always use working monitors, a p1 or p2 may be too old to be of any use though. We can also give tax receipts for donations. http://worcestercoop.org/ Patrick Sawyer On 4/10/06, Gary Hanley <gary(a)hanley.net> wrote: > > On Sun, 9 Apr 2006, John Stoffel wrote: > > Anyone have a good suggestion for a place to recycle junk computers > > cheaply. I've got a pile of dead equipment starting to fill my garage > > and now that it's spring, it's time to get rid of it all. > > This morning Salon.com has story on where recycled computers sometimes go: > > http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2006/04/10/ewaste/ > > There's also an accompanying story on how to recycle your computer: > > http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2006/04/10/greenguide/ > > You may need to agree to something to view the full articles for free if > you don't have a subscription. > > I have to admit I've never given it a second thought and have left old PCs > and monitors out on the walk for the trash pickup plenty of times in the > past. > > -- Gary > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

April 11, 2006

Re: [Wlug] network bandwidth monitor

by Mike Leo

Andy does it again!! Thanks. --- Andy Stewart <andystewart(a)comcast.net> wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Mike Leo wrote: > > A few meetings ago, someone had a network bandwidth monitor...anyone remember what it was? > > > > it was not nload or iftop, but something else that i can't think of! > > > > can you remember? > > _______________________________________________ > > Wlug mailing list > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > Are you thinking of iptraf ? > > Andy > > - -- > Andy Stewart, Founder > Worcester Linux Users' Group > Worcester, MA, USA > http://www.wlug.org > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > > iD8DBQFEOkxxHl0iXDssISsRAkVhAKCDGoq6HrppXOWpp95YNCyWBaG8LQCfcQNs > T2PEaSVysQ8VdUzhXsjxw+Y= > =GCh9 > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

April 10, 2006

Re: [Wlug] network bandwidth monitor

by Joe Riopel

Here is a network bandwidth monitor I cam acress recently: http://www.gropp.org/ On 4/10/06, Andy Stewart <andystewart(a)comcast.net> wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Mike Leo wrote: > > A few meetings ago, someone had a network bandwidth monitor...anyone remember what it was? > > > > it was not nload or iftop, but something else that i can't think of! > > > > can you remember? > > _______________________________________________ > > Wlug mailing list > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > Are you thinking of iptraf ? > > Andy > > - -- > Andy Stewart, Founder > Worcester Linux Users' Group > Worcester, MA, USA > http://www.wlug.org > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > > iD8DBQFEOkxxHl0iXDssISsRAkVhAKCDGoq6HrppXOWpp95YNCyWBaG8LQCfcQNs > T2PEaSVysQ8VdUzhXsjxw+Y= > =GCh9 > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

April 10, 2006

Re: [Wlug] network bandwidth monitor

by Andy Stewart

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Mike Leo wrote: > A few meetings ago, someone had a network bandwidth monitor...anyone remember what it was? > > it was not nload or iftop, but something else that i can't think of! > > can you remember? > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > Are you thinking of iptraf ? Andy - -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA, USA http://www.wlug.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFEOkxxHl0iXDssISsRAkVhAKCDGoq6HrppXOWpp95YNCyWBaG8LQCfcQNs T2PEaSVysQ8VdUzhXsjxw+Y= =GCh9 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

April 10, 2006

Re: [Wlug] Recycling centers

by Gary Hanley

On Sun, 9 Apr 2006, John Stoffel wrote: > Anyone have a good suggestion for a place to recycle junk computers > cheaply. I've got a pile of dead equipment starting to fill my garage > and now that it's spring, it's time to get rid of it all. This morning Salon.com has story on where recycled computers sometimes go: http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2006/04/10/ewaste/ There's also an accompanying story on how to recycle your computer: http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2006/04/10/greenguide/ You may need to agree to something to view the full articles for free if you don't have a subscription. I have to admit I've never given it a second thought and have left old PCs and monitors out on the walk for the trash pickup plenty of times in the past. -- Gary

April 10, 2006

Re: [Wlug] Recycling centers

by Theo Van Dinter

On Sun, Apr 09, 2006 at 09:24:14PM -0400, John Stoffel wrote: > I have zero interest in putting it up on Ebay, since it means I need I've been listing some stuff on Craig's List (craigslist.com) under their "Free" category stating "just come and pick it up". I generally start getting responses within 2 hours and have gotten rid of a few things pretty quickly that way. -- Randomly Generated Tagline: "I sometimes think that they hire guards based on the bone content in their heads." - Londo on Babylon 5

April 10, 2006

Re: [Wlug] Recycling centers

by Eric Martin

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 If you live in worcester you can get rid of computers for $5 (tower and keyboard) and another $5 for the monitor. Call DPW 929-1300 John Stoffel wrote: > Anyone have a good suggestion for a place to recycle junk computers > cheaply. I've got a pile of dead equipment starting to fill my garage > and now that it's spring, it's time to get rid of it all. > > Most of it actually works, it's just all P133 or PIIs and they're not > worth the effort to keep running any more. > > Plus I've got some work stuff to get rid of too, monitors and such. > > John > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFEOcP0aI8VEtSi4H8RAnleAKDG9A1WSy+108wNBUhEoSzAZDovRwCgiLyS 1EfxAuYlbWM1SuRCzHi8W2Q= =fMy6 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

April 10, 2006

network bandwidth monitor

by Mike Leo

A few meetings ago, someone had a network bandwidth monitor...anyone remember what it was? it was not nload or iftop, but something else that i can't think of! can you remember?

April 10, 2006

Re: [Wlug] Recycling centers

by John Stoffel

Jared> Ebay. Sell everything for $.99 - inevitably there's always Jared> someone out there willing to take it off your hands. I have zero interest in putting it up on Ebay, since it means I need to actually pack and ship the crap. It's just not worth it to me. But hey, if *you* want to do it, I'd be happy to give you all the stuff and you can do it. John

April 10, 2006

Re: [Wlug] Recycling centers

by Mike Leo

There is a place in Leominster that will take it and you pay them .10cents a pound. I took 600 lbs of stuff there a while back....50 bux i think....now that i think of it, im not sure i ever paid them...but its good for the world, as they do recycle it all. --- Jared Greenwald <greenwaldjared(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Ebay. Sell everything for $.99 - inevitably there's always someone > out there willing to take it off your hands. > > -Jared > > On 4/9/06, John Stoffel <john(a)stoffel.org> wrote: > > > > Anyone have a good suggestion for a place to recycle junk computers > > cheaply. I've got a pile of dead equipment starting to fill my garage > > and now that it's spring, it's time to get rid of it all. > > > > Most of it actually works, it's just all P133 or PIIs and they're not > > worth the effort to keep running any more. > > > > Plus I've got some work stuff to get rid of too, monitors and such. > > > > John > > _______________________________________________ > > Wlug mailing list > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

April 9, 2006

Re: [Wlug] Wlug Digest, Vol 30, Issue 1

by David Hardy

> > I think the idea about PDAs is cool, and would also be interested in > hearing about experiences with multimedia, especially downloaded music > files. I'm trying to help one of my brothers with his new home-built Fedora > Core Four box; he's loving it so fah but having a spot of frustration with > getting music files humming. And also, IMHO, security is always a good area to look at as we all are forced to deal with it on a daily, if not hourly, basis now. Dave Hardy Today's Topics: > > 1. Upcoming meeting agenda (or lack thereof) (Andy Stewart) > 2. Re: Upcoming meeting agenda (or lack thereof) (Adam Keck) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2006 12:42:08 -0400 > From: Andy Stewart <andystewart(a)comcast.net> > Subject: [Wlug] Upcoming meeting agenda (or lack thereof) > To: Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> > Message-ID: <4437E7E0.6040004(a)comcast.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > > HI Everybody, > > We have a meeting coming up soon, but so far, there is neither a speaker > nor a topic for the meeting. If anybody has any last minute ideas, > please speak up! We've had a couple of excellent meetings recently, and > I'm hopeful that we can keep the ball rolling. > > Thanks! > > Andy > > - -- > Andy Stewart, Founder > Worcester Linux Users' Group > Worcester, MA, USA > http://www.wlug.org > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > > iD8DBQFEN+fgHl0iXDssISsRAiAiAJ0T0GXOGldn8iCOeBedVQIk2cuJDgCdEecw > /xFC7tbM2qUayVWs57ffD9g= > =Eyqp > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2006 23:17:17 -0400 > From: Adam Keck <ghostis(a)mac.com> > Subject: Re: [Wlug] Upcoming meeting agenda (or lack thereof) > To: Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> > Message-ID: <200604082317.17449.ghostis(a)mac.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Hello All, > > Would it be possible for someone to present the state-of-the-art > of Linux on > PDAs? > > - Adam > > > On Saturday 08 April 2006 12:42, Andy Stewart wrote: > > > > HI Everybody, > > > > We have a meeting coming up soon, but so far, there is neither a speaker > > nor a topic for the meeting. If anybody has any last minute ideas, > > please speak up! We've had a couple of excellent meetings recently, and > > I'm hopeful that we can keep the ball rolling. > > > > Thanks! > > > > Andy > > > > -- > > Andy Stewart, Founder > > Worcester Linux Users' Group > > Worcester, MA, USA > > http://www.wlug.org > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wlug mailing list > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > End of Wlug Digest, Vol 30, Issue 1 > *********************************** >

April 9, 2006

Re: [Wlug] Recycling centers

by Jared Greenwald

Ebay. Sell everything for $.99 - inevitably there's always someone out there willing to take it off your hands. -Jared On 4/9/06, John Stoffel <john(a)stoffel.org> wrote: > > Anyone have a good suggestion for a place to recycle junk computers > cheaply. I've got a pile of dead equipment starting to fill my garage > and now that it's spring, it's time to get rid of it all. > > Most of it actually works, it's just all P133 or PIIs and they're not > worth the effort to keep running any more. > > Plus I've got some work stuff to get rid of too, monitors and such. > > John > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

April 9, 2006

Recycling centers

by John Stoffel

Anyone have a good suggestion for a place to recycle junk computers cheaply. I've got a pile of dead equipment starting to fill my garage and now that it's spring, it's time to get rid of it all. Most of it actually works, it's just all P133 or PIIs and they're not worth the effort to keep running any more. Plus I've got some work stuff to get rid of too, monitors and such. John

April 9, 2006

Re: [Wlug] Upcoming meeting agenda (or lack thereof)

by Adam Keck

Hello All, Would it be possible for someone to present the state-of-the-art of Linux on PDAs? - Adam On Saturday 08 April 2006 12:42, Andy Stewart wrote: > > HI Everybody, > > We have a meeting coming up soon, but so far, there is neither a speaker > nor a topic for the meeting. If anybody has any last minute ideas, > please speak up! We've had a couple of excellent meetings recently, and > I'm hopeful that we can keep the ball rolling. > > Thanks! > > Andy > > -- > Andy Stewart, Founder > Worcester Linux Users' Group > Worcester, MA, USA > http://www.wlug.org > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

April 9, 2006

Upcoming meeting agenda (or lack thereof)

by Andy Stewart

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 HI Everybody, We have a meeting coming up soon, but so far, there is neither a speaker nor a topic for the meeting. If anybody has any last minute ideas, please speak up! We've had a couple of excellent meetings recently, and I'm hopeful that we can keep the ball rolling. Thanks! Andy - -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA, USA http://www.wlug.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFEN+fgHl0iXDssISsRAiAiAJ0T0GXOGldn8iCOeBedVQIk2cuJDgCdEecw /xFC7tbM2qUayVWs57ffD9g= =Eyqp -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

April 8, 2006

Re: [Wlug] Sad news...

by Andy Stewart

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Reprinted without permission from the Worcester Telegram: SHREWSBURY? Douglas R. Waud, M.D., D. Phil., Professor Emeritus of Pharmacology at UMass Medical School, 73, of Shrewsbury, formerly of Newton, died Monday March 20th in his home. Dr. Waud leaves his wife of 50 years, Barbara E. (Garwood) Waud of Shrewsbury; his daughters: Catherine E. Officer of Southborough and Karen B. Daukas of Shrewsbury; a brother, Donald A. Waud of Port Stanley, Ontario, Canada; also survived by two grandchildren: John and James Officer, a niece, and a nephew. He is predeceased by a son, David R. Waud. He was born in London, Ontario, Canada, son of the late Russell and Mildred (Adams) Waud and had lived in Newton for several years before moving to Shrewsbury in 1976. Dr. Waud received his Medical degree in 1956 from the University of Western Ontario in London, Canada and his D.Phil. Degree from the University of Oxford in England. Dr. Waud was a Professor for the Department of Pharmacology at the UMASS Medical School from 1974 until his retirement in October of 1997. He was a member of the Worcester Linux User's Group and the American Association for Advancement of Science. Relatives and friends are invited to visit with Dr. Waud's family on Wednesday, March 22nd from 7-9 PM and also Thursday, March 23rd from 2-4 and 7-9 P.M. in the Britton-Shrewsbury Funeral Home, 648 Main Street, Shrewsbury. His funeral service will be held on Friday, March 24th at 11 A.M. in the First Congregational Church, 19 Church Road, Shrewsbury, MA. Burial will be in Mountain View Cemetery, Shrewsbury. In lieu of flowers, memorial contributions can be made to Easter Seals MA, 484 Main Street, Worcester, MA 01608 or to The Barton Center for Diabetes Education, 30 Ennis Road, North Oxford, MA 01537. For directions/online memorial guestbook, please visit www.brittonfuneralhomes.com - -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA, USA http://www.wlug.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFEIVgFHl0iXDssISsRAm87AJ9aQ35dJPQMOjBFunFqCvA0tfYpnwCfVwGY eamTdm+M1YHF1WedkcI9pvs= =Tily -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

March 22, 2006

Re: [Wlug] Sad news...

by Tim Keller

I considered Doug a friend and his passing is sad. Though if I manage to live a life only as half as great as his, I'll consider it a success. Tim. On 3/21/06, Andy Stewart <andystewart(a)comcast.net > wrote: > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > > Doug Waud passed away peacefully yesterday evening at his home, > with his family and relatives in attendance. Doug had been an active > member of WLUG for the last several years. > > For those who don't get the Worcester Telegram, I thought I would > include information on funeral arrangements: > > Calling hours Wednesday (tomorrow) from 7-9 PM and > Thursday (3/23/06) from 2-4 PM & 7-9 PM, at Britton's > Funeral Home, 648 Main Street, Shrewsbury, MA, 508-845-6226 > > The funeral will be this Friday (3/24/06) at 11:00 AM, at the > First Congregational Church of Shrewsbury, 19 Church Road > (on the common at the intersection of Main St. and Rt. 140) > > - -- > Andy Stewart, Founder > Worcester Linux Users' Group > Worcester, MA, USA > http://www.wlug.org > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > > iD8DBQFEIJnHHl0iXDssISsRAhCfAJ9Z0oI9HDGvN4LbwHviJHfiUqv/JgCeMiy+ > wTJPN7brZ/mpGnGLqg12p3Y= > =XwDm > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > -- I am leary of the allegiances of any politicians who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

March 22, 2006

Sad news...

by Andy Stewart

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Doug Waud passed away peacefully yesterday evening at his home, with his family and relatives in attendance. Doug had been an active member of WLUG for the last several years. For those who don't get the Worcester Telegram, I thought I would include information on funeral arrangements: Calling hours Wednesday (tomorrow) from 7-9 PM and Thursday (3/23/06) from 2-4 PM & 7-9 PM, at Britton's Funeral Home, 648 Main Street, Shrewsbury, MA, 508-845-6226 The funeral will be this Friday (3/24/06) at 11:00 AM, at the First Congregational Church of Shrewsbury, 19 Church Road (on the common at the intersection of Main St. and Rt. 140) - -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA, USA http://www.wlug.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFEIJnHHl0iXDssISsRAhCfAJ9Z0oI9HDGvN4LbwHviJHfiUqv/JgCeMiy+ wTJPN7brZ/mpGnGLqg12p3Y= =XwDm -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

March 22, 2006

Re: [Wlug] maxing out the cpu

by Mike Frysinger

On Thursday 16 March 2006 23:00, Mike Frysinger wrote: > On Thursday 16 March 2006 22:44, Mike Leo wrote: > > 2 meetings ago, someone was trying to push the cpu of Andy's homemade > > router to 100% using a for/loop of some sort....can someone remind me of > > the syntax of that? > > personally, i prefer the bashism: > :(){ :|:&};: probably should have mentioned this in the previous e-mail, but dont idly copy and paste that into a terminal of a machine you care about ... it will get fork bombed to death :P -mike

March 17, 2006

Re: [Wlug] maxing out the cpu

by Jamie Guinan

On Thu, 16 Mar 2006, Mike Leo wrote: > 2 meetings ago, someone was trying to push the cpu of Andy's > homemade router to 100% using a for/loop of some sort....can > someone remind me of the syntax of that? > > while true; do; done Close, while true; do true; done -Jamie

March 17, 2006

Re: [Wlug] maxing out the cpu

by Mike Frysinger

On Thursday 16 March 2006 22:44, Mike Leo wrote: > 2 meetings ago, someone was trying to push the cpu of Andy's homemade > router to 100% using a for/loop of some sort....can someone remind me of > the syntax of that? personally, i prefer the bashism: :(){ :|:&};: -mike

March 17, 2006

maxing out the cpu

by Mike Leo

2 meetings ago, someone was trying to push the cpu of Andy's homemade router to 100% using a for/loop of some sort....can someone remind me of the syntax of that? while true; do; done or something similar? thanks

March 17, 2006

FreeBSD snd_emu10k1 issues

by TheLobster

Hey, I currently have FreeBSD 6.1 installed. I have a sound blaster audiology 2 and in order to use it on previous linux and freebsd installs I needed to load snd_emu10k1 into the kernel. When i run "kldload snd_emu10k1" as root, the computer completely freezes up. Gnome doesn't respond, no keyboard responce (Alt+Backspace or Ctrl+alt+F1) and everything seams to lockup. Any suggestions on how to fix this? Bob -- --------------- Bob Breznak 908 672 2841 robert.breznak(a)gmail.com IIsAGeek.Com Crimson Key LnL Webmaster Masque Webmaster TechNews Webmaster BiLaGa Webmaster Guerrilla Improv SCP Rep Guerrilla Improv Webmaster

March 17, 2006

Re: [Wlug] REMINDER: Upcoming meeting Wed Mar 15 7:00 PM

by Frank Sweetser

On Mon, Mar 13, 2006 at 08:27:49AM -0500, Jared Greenwald wrote: > Is there going to be a presentation accompanying this talk? I might > not be able to go, but I'm very interested in the topic. Yes, I'll make my slides available after the meeting. -- Frank Sweetser fs at wpi.edu | For every problem, there is a solution that WPI Network Engineer | is simple, elegant, and wrong. - HL Mencken GPG fingerprint = 6174 1257 129E 0D21 D8D4 E8A3 8E39 29E3 E2E8 8CEC

March 13, 2006

Re: [Wlug] REMINDER: Upcoming meeting Wed Mar 15 7:00 PM

by Jared Greenwald

Is there going to be a presentation accompanying this talk? I might not be able to go, but I'm very interested in the topic. Thanks, Jared On 3/12/06, Andy Stewart <andystewart(a)comcast.net> wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > > HI Everybody, > > Its that time again for a WLUG meeting! > > At this month's meeting, WLUG member Frank Sweetser will be presenting > "Wireless Networking Security". > > Frank will be doing a quick overview of some of the major security > related issues in setting up a wireless network, the major > vulnerabilities (WEP weaknesses in particular), and ways to close up the > holes. He will also include a brief demo of Back Track, a bootable linux > CD that includes numerous security related tools, and use it crack a WEP > key. Frank is a Network Engineer at WPI, where his duties include Linux > administration and the care and feeding of the campus wireless network. > > I'll bring a book for the no cost raffle: > The Official Samba-3 HOWTO and Reference Manual > 2nd Edition > ISBN: 0-13-188222-8 > Published by Prentice Hall > > After the meeting, we'll go out to the Tech Pizza restaurant to enjoy > pizza, soda, and conversation on a variety of topics (including Linux!). > > See ya at the meeting! > > Andy > > - -- > Andy Stewart, Founder > Worcester Linux Users' Group > Worcester, MA, USA > http://www.wlug.org > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > > iD8DBQFEFOlsHl0iXDssISsRAretAJ4v2SVLPuKOredGZ/89Me7eTdDgfwCfcjNT > jIu8JKcO5IBeih8LoAA76Sg= > =aN9b > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

March 13, 2006