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Re: [Wlug] REMINDER: WLUG meeting coming up

by Andy Stewart

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 kstratton(a)fastmail.us wrote: > Some 1st timers questions: > > 1) How do I get there? I have never been to the WPI campus and a street > address would be helpful. Hi "1st timer", There are directions posted here for your convenience: http://www.wlug.org/directions.html The address is: 100 Institute Road Worcester, MA 01609 One can find those directions from the WLUG home page, click "WLUG Meetings" (the yellow box near the top of the screen), and from there scroll to the bottom of the page to find the "directions" link. > 2) Where do I park? (part of question 1) Anyplace you can find an available spot - there is no cost for parking. Sometimes there are places on campus, and other times one needs to park on an adjacent street. It varies from meeting to meeting depending upon campus activities. The directions link is more specific about places to park on campus to minimize walking. Here is a link to a WPI campus map: http://www.wlug.org/files/wpi_campus_map.pdf > 3) Is it OK to be a lillte late and how late does the meeting go? We try to start right around 7:00 PM and the meeting generally runs to about 8:30 PM (occasionally later, but never past 9:00 PM that I can recall). If you're a few minutes late, we won't force you to install Windows or anything like that. We promise not to bolt down the doors at 7:00:01 PM. :-) Thanks for your interest in WLUG! Hopefully, you'll be able to make it on Thursday. See ya later, Andy - -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group (http://www.wlug.org) Chelmsford Linux Meetup Group (http://linux.meetup.com/393) Amateur Radio: KB1OIQ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFGw4/FHl0iXDssISsRAgIfAKCHnlNvgfYOvZkSUmVX/Gv9VFAkWwCcDXNl RH1wAYOniDcA2AXVCoIpIh0= =sbGC -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

Aug. 15, 2007

Re: [Wlug] REMINDER: WLUG meeting coming up

by kstratton＠fastmail.us

Some 1st timers questions: 1) How do I get there? I have never been to the WPI campus and a street address would be helpful. 2) Where do I park? (part of question 1) 3) Is it OK to be a lillte late and how late does the meeting go? On Wed, 15 Aug 2007 00:20:52 -0400, "Andy Stewart" <andystewart(a)comcast.net> said: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > > HI Everybody, > > Its that time again for a WLUG meeting: > > Thursday, August 16th > 7:00 PM > Access Grid Room > WPI Campus > Worcester, MA USA > > See ya there! > > Andy > - -- > Andy Stewart, Founder > Worcester Linux Users' Group (http://www.wlug.org) > Chelmsford Linux Meetup Group (http://linux.meetup.com/393) > Amateur Radio: KB1OIQ > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > > iD8DBQFGwn8kHl0iXDssISsRAikMAJ9zfo16xjYwhPIRJFOIr2D0raS23ACcDEmA > D3w9ynOUYfEUFrgymuELv90= > =Jnxo > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug -- kstratton(a)fastmail.us

Aug. 15, 2007

REMINDER: WLUG meeting coming up

by Andy Stewart

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 HI Everybody, Its that time again for a WLUG meeting: Thursday, August 16th 7:00 PM Access Grid Room WPI Campus Worcester, MA USA See ya there! Andy - -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group (http://www.wlug.org) Chelmsford Linux Meetup Group (http://linux.meetup.com/393) Amateur Radio: KB1OIQ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFGwn8kHl0iXDssISsRAikMAJ9zfo16xjYwhPIRJFOIr2D0raS23ACcDEmA D3w9ynOUYfEUFrgymuELv90= =Jnxo -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

Aug. 15, 2007

Linux meta-questions - platform choice

by Adam Keck

Hello All, I have some "meta-Linux" questions regarding platform choice. I am wondering if anyone knows of any research, papers, or other work that has been done on the topic. Given two major types of IT infrastructure: - Heterogeneous, where each application/service uses the platform to which it is best suited. - Homogeneous, where one bends a particular platform to fit every edge case. where the platform can be anything from and OS to a language to an application stack. o Under what general conditions is one infrastructure type more efficient than the other? o What other types of infrastructure are there? o More generally, how does one compare infrastructures in a rigorous manner? - How does one rigorously define "efficient" when comparing concepts like infrastructures? - What other metrics, besides "efficiency" (however defined) may be useful in comparing infrastructures? Does anyone know of any work where this topic has been abstracted and analyzed mathematically? Or of any trade papers where this question has been looked at in practice? So far, I found the following paper via Google: http://uic.edu/cba/cba-depts/ids/IDSNewsFiles/JGITM_Evaristopaper.pdf that seems to be on the topic and some hits on arxiv that appear related but not specifically on the topic. This relates to Linux in that convincing an organization to switch entirely over to Linux seems to be prohibitively hard in practice, but if one can show that the heterogeneous case above can be more efficient, then one can make the case for using Linux where it fits best. Thanks for any info/opinions/personal experiences! -Adam

Aug. 10, 2007

[Fwd: looking for someone to do system administration]

by Andy Stewart

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 HI gang, Can anybody help out Anita? If so, please contact her directly. THanks! Andy - -------- Original Message -------- Subject: looking for someone to do system administration Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 17:43:45 -0400 From: Anita Wos <anita(a)artofrowing.com> To: andystewart(a)comcast.net Andy- I came across your name on the WLUG web site. Perhaps you can head me in the right direction. I am looking for someone to do System Administration on my Cobalt web server. It runs Apache, mySQL and pHp. It runs a couple of web sites. If you have any ideas, please let me know. - - Anita - -- The Art of Rowing 279 Plantation Street, 1st floor Worcester, MA 01604 tel: 978-342-8333 http://www.ArtofRowing.com Anita Wos anita(a)artofrowing.com <mailto:anita@artofrowing.com> mobile phone: 978-808-1102 - -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group (http://www.wlug.org) Chelmsford Linux Meetup Group (http://linux.meetup.com/393) Amateur Radio: KB1OIQ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFGt6/3Hl0iXDssISsRAvR4AJ96n9QU6ubmvNa0bJN3VAV0XPX86wCfc2Rq 57Ba3eYAzgBsjiZPJxiQlQU= =EFYE -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

Aug. 6, 2007

Re: [Wlug] Anybody want a really cheap computer?

by Andy Stewart

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 kstratton(a)fastmail.us wrote: > Even though nobody said to do this, I personally would be careful using > the decTOP directly wired to the car battery. I have seen car batteries > under charge with 15 volts or more at the terminals. This is outside > the range of the ATX power suply standard for the 12V output (+-5%) > acording to: http://www.formfactors.org/developer\specs\ATX12V > PSDG2.01.pdf. My greatest concern is for the 3.5" hard drive and > possibly the DC to DC converter that converts the 12V to a logic level > voltages. Point well taken - thanks! There is the theoretical possibility of slightly modifying the box to use something like this: http://www.mini-box.com/picoPSU-60-WI?sc=8&category=13 Granted, I haven't checked the specs in sufficient detail, but there is hope. :-) Also, I've sent email to the decTOP folks asking them for the spec and tolerances for the 12Vdc input. Once I get this info, I'll pass it along. Later, Andy - -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group (http://www.wlug.org) Chelmsford Linux Meetup Group (http://linux.meetup.com/393) Amateur Radio: KB1OIQ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFGtonUHl0iXDssISsRAqRiAJ42at0gvTzEghAhnIck0Kr/i8ph3wCdF8ZV s2bUk14IPE+cN4F0+Zs4iEg= =Zdyj -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

Aug. 6, 2007

Re: [Wlug] Anybody want a really cheap computer?

by Brian J. Conway

On Sun, 5 Aug 2007 14:41:35 -0400 (EDT) Jamie Guinan <guinan(a)bluebutton.com> wrote: > On Fri, 27 Jul 2007, Andy Stewart wrote: > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > > > HI everybody, > > > > Check this link: > > http://www.dataevolution.com/dectop%20info%202.htm > > > > This company bought the assets to the AMD PIC (personal internet > > computer). They're selling it for $99, or three for $299. > > > > Yes, it runs Linux. Here is one person's experience: > > http://jsco.org/dectop/ > > > > I wonder if this machine would make a good LTSP thin client...hummmmm. > > Perhaps a topic for a future WLUG meeting? > > > > See ya later, > > > > Andy > > I remember reading about this when it came out a few years ago. It was > intended for the same market that OLPC is now aiming for. Hence the > rugged "big mac" case. :) Of course it lacks a monitor. > > A few others to consider, > > Nicer form factor, but slower CPU (166MHz), no HD: > http://linuxdevices.com/news/NS6828123924.html > http://www.norhtec.com/products/mcjr/index.html > > USB 2.0, but pricier (price listed in Euros): > http://www.linutop.com/ > > Consumer variant of OLPC XO1, whenever it comes out. > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ASUS_Eee_PC > > Not to discourage you - the PIC looks like a fun little box! > > -Jamie Here's a couple more that looked like fun toys: http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS5551137361.html http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS2862783342.html (fee-based) The first one's a little pricey, but would make a great router/firewall with two onboard ethernet ports. Brian J. Conway

Aug. 6, 2007

Re: [Wlug] Anybody want a really cheap computer?

by Jamie Guinan

On Fri, 27 Jul 2007, Andy Stewart wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > > HI everybody, > > Check this link: > http://www.dataevolution.com/dectop%20info%202.htm > > This company bought the assets to the AMD PIC (personal internet > computer). They're selling it for $99, or three for $299. > > Yes, it runs Linux. Here is one person's experience: > http://jsco.org/dectop/ > > I wonder if this machine would make a good LTSP thin client...hummmmm. > Perhaps a topic for a future WLUG meeting? > > See ya later, > > Andy I remember reading about this when it came out a few years ago. It was intended for the same market that OLPC is now aiming for. Hence the rugged "big mac" case. :) Of course it lacks a monitor. A few others to consider, Nicer form factor, but slower CPU (166MHz), no HD: http://linuxdevices.com/news/NS6828123924.html http://www.norhtec.com/products/mcjr/index.html USB 2.0, but pricier (price listed in Euros): http://www.linutop.com/ Consumer variant of OLPC XO1, whenever it comes out. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ASUS_Eee_PC Not to discourage you - the PIC looks like a fun little box! -Jamie

Aug. 5, 2007

Re: [Wlug] Anybody want a really cheap computer?

by kstratton＠fastmail.us

On Sun, 05 Aug 2007 09:50:11 -0400, "Andy Stewart" <andystewart(a)comcast.net> said: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > kstratton(a)fastmail.us wrote: > > My understanding is that playing flash movies is still at the alpha > > stage (gnash project http://www.gnu.org/software/gnash) For that > > reason alone, I would not give something like that to my mother. Is > > there a movie playing technology that is stable enough for general > > purpose consumption? > > > > One negative of the decTOP that is not obvious is that the decTop does > > not have an integrated network adaptor (based on a web page), instead it > > comes with a USB to network adaptor. If anyone has any suggestions, > > please let me know. I am willing to consider ARM or MIPS boards. > > decTOP likes: > > 1) low power usage (if I believe web pages, 8W) > > 2) standard memory and hard drive interface > > 3) video interface provided as well as mouse and keyboard > > 4) low price > > I still have to do some reading up on the TCP/IP protocol before > > actually deciding to buy something. > > Another thing that I like about the decTOP is that it takes a 12Vdc > input. That lends itself very well to ham radio related operations, > where most equipment takes 12Vdc (think: car battery). Also, a good > percentage of the 8W is to run the hard drive. I can imagine swapping > that out for a flash card and saving lots of power, which would be > important in some applications. > > If it weren't for the $40 shipping, I'd probably have bought one of > these by now. Shipping for four of these was $45 (I think), so if three > other people are interested, I'll split shipping with you. Just let me > know. > > Later, > > Andy > > - -- > Andy Stewart, Founder > Worcester Linux Users' Group (http://www.wlug.org) > Chelmsford Linux Meetup Group (http://linux.meetup.com/393) > Amateur Radio: KB1OIQ > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > > iD8DBQFGtdWTHl0iXDssISsRAlWYAJ0WhxA3RLXdi93qeepwscSzgVh2gwCfeiiG > mx807TDl2mRou4IUN8okVW4= > =djEY > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug Even though nobody said to do this, I personally would be careful using the decTOP directly wired to the car battery. I have seen car batteries under charge with 15 volts or more at the terminals. This is outside the range of the ATX power suply standard for the 12V output (+-5%) acording to: http://www.formfactors.org/developer\specs\ATX12V PSDG2.01.pdf. My greatest concern is for the 3.5" hard drive and possibly the DC to DC converter that converts the 12V to a logic level voltages. I was considering managing the power with some kind of script using hdparm to bring the hard drive in and out of sleep, but there are more than a few technical details to be worked out. -- kstratton(a)fastmail.us

Aug. 5, 2007

Re: [Wlug] Anybody want a really cheap computer?

by Andy Stewart

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 kstratton(a)fastmail.us wrote: > My understanding is that playing flash movies is still at the alpha > stage (gnash project http://www.gnu.org/software/gnash) For that > reason alone, I would not give something like that to my mother. Is > there a movie playing technology that is stable enough for general > purpose consumption? > > One negative of the decTOP that is not obvious is that the decTop does > not have an integrated network adaptor (based on a web page), instead it > comes with a USB to network adaptor. If anyone has any suggestions, > please let me know. I am willing to consider ARM or MIPS boards. > decTOP likes: > 1) low power usage (if I believe web pages, 8W) > 2) standard memory and hard drive interface > 3) video interface provided as well as mouse and keyboard > 4) low price > I still have to do some reading up on the TCP/IP protocol before > actually deciding to buy something. Another thing that I like about the decTOP is that it takes a 12Vdc input. That lends itself very well to ham radio related operations, where most equipment takes 12Vdc (think: car battery). Also, a good percentage of the 8W is to run the hard drive. I can imagine swapping that out for a flash card and saving lots of power, which would be important in some applications. If it weren't for the $40 shipping, I'd probably have bought one of these by now. Shipping for four of these was $45 (I think), so if three other people are interested, I'll split shipping with you. Just let me know. Later, Andy - -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group (http://www.wlug.org) Chelmsford Linux Meetup Group (http://linux.meetup.com/393) Amateur Radio: KB1OIQ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFGtdWTHl0iXDssISsRAlWYAJ0WhxA3RLXdi93qeepwscSzgVh2gwCfeiiG mx807TDl2mRou4IUN8okVW4= =djEY -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

Aug. 5, 2007

Re: [Wlug] Anybody want a really cheap computer?

by kstratton＠fastmail.us

My understanding is that playing flash movies is still at the alpha stage (gnash project http://www.gnu.org/software/gnash) For that reason alone, I would not give something like that to my mother. Is there a movie playing technology that is stable enough for general purpose consumption? One negative of the decTOP that is not obvious is that the decTop does not have an integrated network adaptor (based on a web page), instead it comes with a USB to network adaptor. If anyone has any suggestions, please let me know. I am willing to consider ARM or MIPS boards. decTOP likes: 1) low power usage (if I believe web pages, 8W) 2) standard memory and hard drive interface 3) video interface provided as well as mouse and keyboard 4) low price I still have to do some reading up on the TCP/IP protocol before actually deciding to buy something. On Wed, 1 Aug 2007 08:36:11 -0400, "Klein, Richard" <Richard.Klein(a)cytyc.com> said: > > kstratton(a)fastmail.us wrote: > > > The decPIC does look interesting at the advertised price > > point, but I > > > think the price is high when shipping is added. > > The kicker for me is video. I thought this would be just the thing to > send to my sister in Georgia, because all she really needs is email and > web access (and maybe basic word processing). You wouldn't initially > think video performance would really matter there, but then I think of > all the times people email links to videos and whatnot, and it would be > really irritating to not be able to see what the person's linking to. > > One of the end-user reviews I found on the web said that the PIC is > really too slow for video, managing only single-digit frames per second. > > The USB 1.1 is also a bit of a downer, but not as much of a deal-breaker > for me. > > -- > Rich > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug -- kstratton(a)fastmail.us

Aug. 5, 2007

Re: [Wlug] core 2 duo extremely slow (solved, i think)

by brad

Hi all, It seems that a BIOS downgrade solved the problem. I tried a few different BIOS revisions, the newer the revision the worse the machine functioned, strange. thanks, - brad On Fri, 3 Aug 2007 07:22:54 -0400, Aaron Haviland <orion(a)parsed.net> wrote: > brad wrote, on Aug 02, 2007 at 21:54 EDT: >> >> Hi All, >> I recently got in a nice new 2.4GHz core 2 duo with a bunch of memory, > 8GB. >> I installed kubuntu i386 on it. To get use of the 8GB of memory i >> recompiled the kernel to enable high memory support, a.k.a PAE. When i >> booted the new kernel it saw all my memory, but it took 10-15 minutes to >> boot. i checked dmesg and it didn't seem to report anything out of the >> ordinary. >> >> Then, I thought that perhaps the 64bit version of kubuntu might be a > better >> option. I installed kubuntu 64bit. The install took two days because > every >> step was extremely slow. Once the install finished, i rebooted and it > took >> 10-15 to boot. I was seeing the same symptoms of the 64bit install as i > was >> with the 32bit install with PAE. >> >> I tried downloading the current kubuntu 64bit release as well as the > beta >> of the next release. I'm also trying Fedora Core 7 64bit as i type, but >> that install is going just as slow. I hunted through the BIOS for any >> suspicious settings. I removed all the hardware except for the CD-ROM > (to >> boot a live CD). I did searching through the interweb. All with no luck > to >> solving this problem. >> >> If anyone has any suggestions, they will be much appreciated. >> >> keep cool, >> - brad > > A couple (possibly) good leads in this thread: > http://groups.google.com/group/linux.gentoo.user/browse_frm/thread/830f835c… > > -- > Aaron Haviland > 34 Wayne Ave, Dudley, MA home: [508] 943 - 7974

Aug. 3, 2007

Re: [Wlug] core 2 duo extremely slow

by Aaron Haviland

brad wrote, on Aug 02, 2007 at 21:54 EDT: > > Hi All, > I recently got in a nice new 2.4GHz core 2 duo with a bunch of memory, 8GB. > I installed kubuntu i386 on it. To get use of the 8GB of memory i > recompiled the kernel to enable high memory support, a.k.a PAE. When i > booted the new kernel it saw all my memory, but it took 10-15 minutes to > boot. i checked dmesg and it didn't seem to report anything out of the > ordinary. > > Then, I thought that perhaps the 64bit version of kubuntu might be a better > option. I installed kubuntu 64bit. The install took two days because every > step was extremely slow. Once the install finished, i rebooted and it took > 10-15 to boot. I was seeing the same symptoms of the 64bit install as i was > with the 32bit install with PAE. > > I tried downloading the current kubuntu 64bit release as well as the beta > of the next release. I'm also trying Fedora Core 7 64bit as i type, but > that install is going just as slow. I hunted through the BIOS for any > suspicious settings. I removed all the hardware except for the CD-ROM (to > boot a live CD). I did searching through the interweb. All with no luck to > solving this problem. > > If anyone has any suggestions, they will be much appreciated. > > keep cool, > - brad A couple (possibly) good leads in this thread: http://groups.google.com/group/linux.gentoo.user/browse_frm/thread/830f835c… -- Aaron Haviland 34 Wayne Ave, Dudley, MA home: [508] 943 - 7974

Aug. 3, 2007

Re: [Wlug] Detecting power failure

by John Stoffel

Tal> I have a question about detecting power failures in Linux. I have Tal> an Intel server sitting in a datacenter. It is running Crux 2.1 Tal> (a 2.6 kernel). It is a 2U server with 2 power supplies. Does Tal> anyone know if I can detect when 1 of the power supplies fails? Depending on your server hardware and what the BIOS has configured, take a look at acpid(8) daemon man page. Or the apmd(8) man page. One of them should work for you. As a simple test, pull one power plug and watch the output of /var/log/messages and/or /var/log/dmesg to see what shows up. I'm on a debian setup, but I found some more docs in /usr/share/doc/acpid/README and I'm sure there are a bunch of docs if you google for them. Good luck! John

Aug. 3, 2007

core 2 duo extremely slow

by brad

Hi All, I recently got in a nice new 2.4GHz core 2 duo with a bunch of memory, 8GB. I installed kubuntu i386 on it. To get use of the 8GB of memory i recompiled the kernel to enable high memory support, a.k.a PAE. When i booted the new kernel it saw all my memory, but it took 10-15 minutes to boot. i checked dmesg and it didn't seem to report anything out of the ordinary. Then, I thought that perhaps the 64bit version of kubuntu might be a better option. I installed kubuntu 64bit. The install took two days because every step was extremely slow. Once the install finished, i rebooted and it took 10-15 to boot. I was seeing the same symptoms of the 64bit install as i was with the 32bit install with PAE. I tried downloading the current kubuntu 64bit release as well as the beta of the next release. I'm also trying Fedora Core 7 64bit as i type, but that install is going just as slow. I hunted through the BIOS for any suspicious settings. I removed all the hardware except for the CD-ROM (to boot a live CD). I did searching through the interweb. All with no luck to solving this problem. If anyone has any suggestions, they will be much appreciated. keep cool, - brad

Aug. 3, 2007

Detecting power failure

by Tal Cohen

Hi Guys, I have a question about detecting power failures in Linux. I have an Intel server sitting in a datacenter. It is running Crux 2.1 (a 2.6 kernel). It is a 2U server with 2 power supplies. Does anyone know if I can detect when 1 of the power supplies fails? Thanks, Tal

Aug. 2, 2007

Re: [Wlug] Anybody want a really cheap computer?

by Klein, Richard

> kstratton(a)fastmail.us wrote: > > The decPIC does look interesting at the advertised price > point, but I > > think the price is high when shipping is added. The kicker for me is video. I thought this would be just the thing to send to my sister in Georgia, because all she really needs is email and web access (and maybe basic word processing). You wouldn't initially think video performance would really matter there, but then I think of all the times people email links to videos and whatnot, and it would be really irritating to not be able to see what the person's linking to. One of the end-user reviews I found on the web said that the PIC is really too slow for video, managing only single-digit frames per second. The USB 1.1 is also a bit of a downer, but not as much of a deal-breaker for me. -- Rich

Aug. 1, 2007

Re: [Wlug] Anybody want a really cheap computer?

by Andy Stewart

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 kstratton(a)fastmail.us wrote: > The decPIC does look interesting at the advertised price point, but I > think the price is high when shipping is added. Approximately $37 for > shipping + $99 adds up to about $136. With the four for the price of 3 > special, the cost was was about $56 for shipping + $297. > > I suspect that this high shipping cost also would apply to warranty > returns as well, significantly decreasing the value of the implied 30 > day warranty. > > I know this topic is a littel old, but I wanted to add my 2 cents. I just sent email to the company complaining about the shipping cost. They claim the package is 8 lbs but there still no way (IMHO) that it should cost around $40 to ship it. It is a little better when one buys four at a time (assuming you divide the shipping by your other three friends). I checked eBay, there aren't any out there (yet). There will be someday. Later, Andy - -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group (http://www.wlug.org) Chelmsford Linux Meetup Group (http://linux.meetup.com/393) Amateur Radio: KB1OIQ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFGsFKYHl0iXDssISsRAhXoAJ9/Ls3c7BeWyMOrosgDPK7phlX9xQCfeGWv CLPI9T8ScX1vUL04+eAyO0M= =NDL6 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

Aug. 1, 2007

Re: [Wlug] Anybody want a really cheap computer?

by kstratton＠fastmail.us

The decPIC does look interesting at the advertised price point, but I think the price is high when shipping is added. Approximately $37 for shipping + $99 adds up to about $136. With the four for the price of 3 special, the cost was was about $56 for shipping + $297. I suspect that this high shipping cost also would apply to warranty returns as well, significantly decreasing the value of the implied 30 day warranty. I know this topic is a littel old, but I wanted to add my 2 cents. -- kstratton(a)fastmail.us

Aug. 1, 2007

Re: [Wlug] Programming position at UMass CS

by Andre Lehovich

> I'm paranoid, and a lot of spam comes from co.uk....I'm not saying it's not > authentic, it just strikes me as odd. Hanna hacks on Debian and also does AI research. I'd guess the post is authentic. The LUG is always scrambling for presenters. Hanna, if you're now local, maybe you could dust off your Debconf talk on how one joins the Debian project? --Andre ____________________________________________________________________________________ Luggage? GPS? Comic books? Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search http://search.yahoo.com/search?fr=oni_on_mail&p=graduation+gifts&cs=bz

July 30, 2007

Re: [Wlug] Programming position at UMass CS

by Eric Martin

I'm paranoid, and a lot of spam comes from co.uk....I'm not saying it's not authentic, it just strikes me as odd. On 7/29/07, Ritacco, Alan <Alan.Ritacco(a)umassmed.edu> wrote: > > If I was a betting man, which I am not, I would guess this is a > student/researcher/post doc who is using an personal address b/c of the > summer. I could be incorrect though. > > Al > > ------------------------------ > *From:* wlug-bounces(a)mail.wlug.org on behalf of Eric Martin > *Sent:* Sun 7/29/2007 4:53 PM > *To:* Worcester Linux Users Group > *Subject:* Re: [Wlug] Programming position at UMass CS > > Why is this coming from somebody with a .uk domain? > > On 7/27/07, Hanna M. Wallach <hmw26(a)cam.ac.uk> wrote: > > > > ========================================== > > Software Engineer in Information Extraction and Synthesis Laboratory > > at UMass. > > > > Work with computer science researchers and other software engineers to > > revolutionize search over research literature and patents. See our > > preliminary web portal for computer science researchers at > > http://rexa.info/faq, and read relevant publications at > > http://www.cs.umass.edu/~mccallum/papers<http://www.cs.umass.edu/%7Emccallum/papers> > > . > > > > Open source tools: Linux, Java, MySQL, Apache, ... > > > > Modern methods: Test-driven development using the Java/Spring > > framework. Feature-rich, Ajax-based web interfaces. > > > > Intellectually stimulating: Learn about cutting edge methods in > > machine learning, information extraction, web search, data mining, > > social network analysis. > > > > Serious hardware platforms: 100-CPU cluster, 10Tb disk, fast servers > > and desktops. > > > > Challenging work: Not cookie-cutter programming. Integrate with > > machine learning methods; program for high parallelism; devise > > algorithms for massive scalability. High creativity, intelligence, > > experience, and independent drive required. > > > > Experienced colleagues: Former VP R&D 170-person startup, extensive > > professional software engineering experience on the team. > > > > Tuition Benefits: Take UMass Amherst courses while working. > > Opportunities to publish research papers, if desired. > > > > True search: No internal candidate. > > > > Excellent follow-on prospects: Several others from the lab later got > > job offers from Google, Yahoo, IBM, Microsoft. (We want someone > > interested in staying multiple years, though.) > > > > Time off: Five weeks vacation and personal time, plus 13 holidays each > > year. > > > > Gorgeous location: Amherst, MA: bucolic surroundings plus active > > culture. Smith, Holyoke, Hampshire and Amherst Colleges all in the > > neighborhood. Office with window. > > > > > > ================================================ > > Rexa: http://rexa.info (create free login) > > > > Rexa is a digital library covering the computer science research > > literature and the people who create it. Rexa is a sibling to Google > > Scholar, CiteSeer and the ACM Portal. It's chief enhancement is that > > Rexa knows about more first-class, de-duplicated, cross-referenced > > object types: not only papers and their citation links, but also > > people, grants, topics---and in the near future universities, > > conferences, journals, research communities, and more. > > > > Rexa currently provides: > > * Keyword search on over 7 million papers (mostly in computer science) > > * Cross-linked pages for papers, authors, topics and NSF grants > > * Browsing by citations, authors, co-authors, cited authors, citing > > authors; (find who cites you most by clicking "Citing authors" on > > your home page) > > * Web-2.0-style "tagging" to bookmark papers > > * Automatically-gathered contact info and photos of author's faces > > * Analysis of research topics, their impact, and how they relate. > > > > Coming soon: > > * Much improved coverage of recent CS papers (it's somewhat weak now) > > * Ability to make corrections to extracted data > > > > Coming later: > > * Improved ranking, extraction and co-reference accuracy > > * Much more data mining > > * Broader coverage of more research fields > > > > Rather than seeing our siblings as competitors, we believe that such > > services are like "newspapers for the research community", and, just > > as it is tremendously important that there is not solely one national > > newspaper, we think there should be many such services. This is > > especially true since increasingly they will do more than simply > > supply raw information, but also provide subjective analysis, pattern > > discovery, and predictions. > > > > Rexa acts as driving application and showcase for our research in > > machine learning, natural language processing, information extraction, > > entity resolution, trend analysis and social network analysis. We aim > > to revolutionize the progress of science by providing new tools to > > help scientists do their job more effectively. > > > > > > ============================================ > > Official Job Posting: > > > > The Information Extraction and Synthesis Laboratory within the Center > > for Intelligent Information Retrieval (CIIR) at the University of > > Massachusetts Amherst is seeking computer professionals to support its > > expanding research. > > > > The Software Engineers will design, implement, and maintain software > > systems. Both positions require experience with programming in Java or > > C++ and with building software systems, web-based systems experience > > is a plus. Experience preferred in Unix, Network, shell script > > programming and one or more of the following: information retrieval, > > natural language processing, text and information extraction > > processing, and database systems. > > > > Software Engineer 1: B.S. in computer science or related field, or > > equivalent combination of education, training and experience, plus 2-4 > > years experience or equivalent. M.S. preferred. Hiring Range: $39,200 > > - $55,400. Respond to Search #R25014. > > > > Senior Software Engineer: M.S. in Computer Science or equivalent and > > 2-4 years of related work experience. Demonstrated leadership ability > > required; project management experience preferred. Hiring Range: > > $47,600 - $65,000. Respond to Search #R26907. > > > > To apply, send a letter with your resume and three letters of > > recommendation to: Search {# from above}, Computer Science Department, > > University of Massachusetts, Amherst, MA 01003-9264. These positions > > are grant-funded; renewal beyond one year contingent upon continued > > funding. Review of applications will continue until the available > > positions are filled. > > > > The University of Massachusetts is an Affirmative Action/Equal > > Opportunity Employer. Women and members of minority groups are > > encouraged to apply. > > _______________________________________________ > > Wlug mailing list > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > >

July 30, 2007

Re: [Wlug] Programming position at UMass CS

by Ritacco, Alan

If I was a betting man, which I am not, I would guess this is a student/researcher/post doc who is using an personal address b/c of the summer. I could be incorrect though. Al ________________________________ From: wlug-bounces(a)mail.wlug.org on behalf of Eric Martin Sent: Sun 7/29/2007 4:53 PM To: Worcester Linux Users Group Subject: Re: [Wlug] Programming position at UMass CS Why is this coming from somebody with a .uk domain? On 7/27/07, Hanna M. Wallach <hmw26(a)cam.ac.uk> wrote: ========================================== Software Engineer in Information Extraction and Synthesis Laboratory at UMass. Work with computer science researchers and other software engineers to revolutionize search over research literature and patents. See our preliminary web portal for computer science researchers at http://rexa.info/faq, and read relevant publications at http://www.cs.umass.edu/~mccallum/papers. Open source tools: Linux, Java, MySQL, Apache, ... Modern methods: Test-driven development using the Java/Spring framework. Feature-rich, Ajax-based web interfaces. Intellectually stimulating: Learn about cutting edge methods in machine learning, information extraction, web search, data mining, social network analysis. Serious hardware platforms: 100-CPU cluster, 10Tb disk, fast servers and desktops. Challenging work: Not cookie-cutter programming. Integrate with machine learning methods; program for high parallelism; devise algorithms for massive scalability. High creativity, intelligence, experience, and independent drive required. Experienced colleagues: Former VP R&D 170-person startup, extensive professional software engineering experience on the team. Tuition Benefits: Take UMass Amherst courses while working. Opportunities to publish research papers, if desired. True search: No internal candidate. Excellent follow-on prospects: Several others from the lab later got job offers from Google, Yahoo, IBM, Microsoft. (We want someone interested in staying multiple years, though.) Time off: Five weeks vacation and personal time, plus 13 holidays each year. Gorgeous location: Amherst, MA: bucolic surroundings plus active culture. Smith, Holyoke, Hampshire and Amherst Colleges all in the neighborhood. Office with window. ================================================ Rexa: http://rexa.info <http://rexa.info/> (create free login) Rexa is a digital library covering the computer science research literature and the people who create it. Rexa is a sibling to Google Scholar, CiteSeer and the ACM Portal. It's chief enhancement is that Rexa knows about more first-class, de-duplicated, cross-referenced object types: not only papers and their citation links, but also people, grants, topics---and in the near future universities, conferences, journals, research communities, and more. Rexa currently provides: * Keyword search on over 7 million papers (mostly in computer science) * Cross-linked pages for papers, authors, topics and NSF grants * Browsing by citations, authors, co-authors, cited authors, citing authors; (find who cites you most by clicking "Citing authors" on your home page) * Web-2.0-style "tagging" to bookmark papers * Automatically-gathered contact info and photos of author's faces * Analysis of research topics, their impact, and how they relate. Coming soon: * Much improved coverage of recent CS papers (it's somewhat weak now) * Ability to make corrections to extracted data Coming later: * Improved ranking, extraction and co-reference accuracy * Much more data mining * Broader coverage of more research fields Rather than seeing our siblings as competitors, we believe that such services are like "newspapers for the research community", and, just as it is tremendously important that there is not solely one national newspaper, we think there should be many such services. This is especially true since increasingly they will do more than simply supply raw information, but also provide subjective analysis, pattern discovery, and predictions. Rexa acts as driving application and showcase for our research in machine learning, natural language processing, information extraction, entity resolution, trend analysis and social network analysis. We aim to revolutionize the progress of science by providing new tools to help scientists do their job more effectively. ============================================ Official Job Posting: The Information Extraction and Synthesis Laboratory within the Center for Intelligent Information Retrieval (CIIR) at the University of Massachusetts Amherst is seeking computer professionals to support its expanding research. The Software Engineers will design, implement, and maintain software systems. Both positions require experience with programming in Java or C++ and with building software systems, web-based systems experience is a plus. Experience preferred in Unix, Network, shell script programming and one or more of the following: information retrieval, natural language processing, text and information extraction processing, and database systems. Software Engineer 1: B.S. in computer science or related field, or equivalent combination of education, training and experience, plus 2-4 years experience or equivalent. M.S. preferred. Hiring Range: $39,200 - $55,400. Respond to Search #R25014. Senior Software Engineer: M.S. in Computer Science or equivalent and 2-4 years of related work experience. Demonstrated leadership ability required; project management experience preferred. Hiring Range: $47,600 - $65,000. Respond to Search #R26907. To apply, send a letter with your resume and three letters of recommendation to: Search {# from above}, Computer Science Department, University of Massachusetts, Amherst, MA 01003-9264. These positions are grant-funded; renewal beyond one year contingent upon continued funding. Review of applications will continue until the available positions are filled. The University of Massachusetts is an Affirmative Action/Equal Opportunity Employer. Women and members of minority groups are encouraged to apply. _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

July 29, 2007

Re: [Wlug] Programming position at UMass CS

by Eric Martin

Why is this coming from somebody with a .uk domain? On 7/27/07, Hanna M. Wallach <hmw26(a)cam.ac.uk> wrote: > > ========================================== > Software Engineer in Information Extraction and Synthesis Laboratory > at UMass. > > Work with computer science researchers and other software engineers to > revolutionize search over research literature and patents. See our > preliminary web portal for computer science researchers at > http://rexa.info/faq, and read relevant publications at > http://www.cs.umass.edu/~mccallum/papers. > > Open source tools: Linux, Java, MySQL, Apache, ... > > Modern methods: Test-driven development using the Java/Spring > framework. Feature-rich, Ajax-based web interfaces. > > Intellectually stimulating: Learn about cutting edge methods in > machine learning, information extraction, web search, data mining, > social network analysis. > > Serious hardware platforms: 100-CPU cluster, 10Tb disk, fast servers > and desktops. > > Challenging work: Not cookie-cutter programming. Integrate with > machine learning methods; program for high parallelism; devise > algorithms for massive scalability. High creativity, intelligence, > experience, and independent drive required. > > Experienced colleagues: Former VP R&D 170-person startup, extensive > professional software engineering experience on the team. > > Tuition Benefits: Take UMass Amherst courses while working. > Opportunities to publish research papers, if desired. > > True search: No internal candidate. > > Excellent follow-on prospects: Several others from the lab later got > job offers from Google, Yahoo, IBM, Microsoft. (We want someone > interested in staying multiple years, though.) > > Time off: Five weeks vacation and personal time, plus 13 holidays each > year. > > Gorgeous location: Amherst, MA: bucolic surroundings plus active > culture. Smith, Holyoke, Hampshire and Amherst Colleges all in the > neighborhood. Office with window. > > > ================================================ > Rexa: http://rexa.info (create free login) > > Rexa is a digital library covering the computer science research > literature and the people who create it. Rexa is a sibling to Google > Scholar, CiteSeer and the ACM Portal. It's chief enhancement is that > Rexa knows about more first-class, de-duplicated, cross-referenced > object types: not only papers and their citation links, but also > people, grants, topics---and in the near future universities, > conferences, journals, research communities, and more. > > Rexa currently provides: > * Keyword search on over 7 million papers (mostly in computer science) > * Cross-linked pages for papers, authors, topics and NSF grants > * Browsing by citations, authors, co-authors, cited authors, citing > authors; (find who cites you most by clicking "Citing authors" on > your home page) > * Web-2.0-style "tagging" to bookmark papers > * Automatically-gathered contact info and photos of author's faces > * Analysis of research topics, their impact, and how they relate. > > Coming soon: > * Much improved coverage of recent CS papers (it's somewhat weak now) > * Ability to make corrections to extracted data > > Coming later: > * Improved ranking, extraction and co-reference accuracy > * Much more data mining > * Broader coverage of more research fields > > Rather than seeing our siblings as competitors, we believe that such > services are like "newspapers for the research community", and, just > as it is tremendously important that there is not solely one national > newspaper, we think there should be many such services. This is > especially true since increasingly they will do more than simply > supply raw information, but also provide subjective analysis, pattern > discovery, and predictions. > > Rexa acts as driving application and showcase for our research in > machine learning, natural language processing, information extraction, > entity resolution, trend analysis and social network analysis. We aim > to revolutionize the progress of science by providing new tools to > help scientists do their job more effectively. > > > ============================================ > Official Job Posting: > > The Information Extraction and Synthesis Laboratory within the Center > for Intelligent Information Retrieval (CIIR) at the University of > Massachusetts Amherst is seeking computer professionals to support its > expanding research. > > The Software Engineers will design, implement, and maintain software > systems. Both positions require experience with programming in Java or > C++ and with building software systems, web-based systems experience > is a plus. Experience preferred in Unix, Network, shell script > programming and one or more of the following: information retrieval, > natural language processing, text and information extraction > processing, and database systems. > > Software Engineer 1: B.S. in computer science or related field, or > equivalent combination of education, training and experience, plus 2-4 > years experience or equivalent. M.S. preferred. Hiring Range: $39,200 > - $55,400. Respond to Search #R25014. > > Senior Software Engineer: M.S. in Computer Science or equivalent and > 2-4 years of related work experience. Demonstrated leadership ability > required; project management experience preferred. Hiring Range: > $47,600 - $65,000. Respond to Search #R26907. > > To apply, send a letter with your resume and three letters of > recommendation to: Search {# from above}, Computer Science Department, > University of Massachusetts, Amherst, MA 01003-9264. These positions > are grant-funded; renewal beyond one year contingent upon continued > funding. Review of applications will continue until the available > positions are filled. > > The University of Massachusetts is an Affirmative Action/Equal > Opportunity Employer. Women and members of minority groups are > encouraged to apply. > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

July 29, 2007

Re: [Wlug] Anybody want a really cheap computer?

by Andy Stewart

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Chuck Anderson wrote: > On Fri, Jul 27, 2007 at 08:36:37PM -0400, Andy Stewart wrote: >> This company bought the assets to the AMD PIC (personal internet >> computer). They're selling it for $99, or three for $299. > > Wait, so I have to pay a $2 premium for buying three of them? > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > Sorry, its actually $297: https://store.dataevolution.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=DT%2D7002 That info will cost you $2... ;-) - -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group (http://www.wlug.org) Chelmsford Linux Meetup Group (http://linux.meetup.com/393) Amateur Radio: KB1OIQ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFGq2D3Hl0iXDssISsRAkAbAJwKHiIr8h6W+leMc+2LgsqG4PQhZwCgiVe5 3XBnz2Qz00OsIZAo//Fe8rI= =30Vg -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

July 28, 2007

Re: [Wlug] Anybody want a really cheap computer?

by Chuck Anderson

On Fri, Jul 27, 2007 at 08:36:37PM -0400, Andy Stewart wrote: > This company bought the assets to the AMD PIC (personal internet > computer). They're selling it for $99, or three for $299. Wait, so I have to pay a $2 premium for buying three of them?

July 28, 2007

Re: [Wlug] Anybody want a really cheap computer?

by Richard Klein

On 7/27/07, Andy Stewart <andystewart(a)comcast.net> wrote: > > HI everybody, > > Check this link: > http://www.dataevolution.com/dectop%20info%202.htm > > This company bought the assets to the AMD PIC (personal internet > computer). They're selling it for $99, or three for $299. That looks neat. What got me, though, is that this company is referring to themself as DEC! I guess there's nothing wrong with that, but it's jarring. -- Rich

July 28, 2007

Anybody want a really cheap computer?

by Andy Stewart

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 HI everybody, Check this link: http://www.dataevolution.com/dectop%20info%202.htm This company bought the assets to the AMD PIC (personal internet computer). They're selling it for $99, or three for $299. Yes, it runs Linux. Here is one person's experience: http://jsco.org/dectop/ I wonder if this machine would make a good LTSP thin client...hummmmm. Perhaps a topic for a future WLUG meeting? See ya later, Andy - -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group (http://www.wlug.org) Chelmsford Linux Meetup Group (http://linux.meetup.com/393) Amateur Radio: KB1OIQ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFGqo+VHl0iXDssISsRAnvgAKCBXbtNXCZ4paL2KzmGCvOYOPr0cQCfVaKH swC2c4lA1DSL6SoiKix8vB0= =gaqH -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

July 28, 2007

Programming position at UMass CS

by Hanna M. Wallach

========================================== Software Engineer in Information Extraction and Synthesis Laboratory at UMass. Work with computer science researchers and other software engineers to revolutionize search over research literature and patents. See our preliminary web portal for computer science researchers at http://rexa.info/faq, and read relevant publications at http://www.cs.umass.edu/~mccallum/papers. Open source tools: Linux, Java, MySQL, Apache, ... Modern methods: Test-driven development using the Java/Spring framework. Feature-rich, Ajax-based web interfaces. Intellectually stimulating: Learn about cutting edge methods in machine learning, information extraction, web search, data mining, social network analysis. Serious hardware platforms: 100-CPU cluster, 10Tb disk, fast servers and desktops. Challenging work: Not cookie-cutter programming. Integrate with machine learning methods; program for high parallelism; devise algorithms for massive scalability. High creativity, intelligence, experience, and independent drive required. Experienced colleagues: Former VP R&D 170-person startup, extensive professional software engineering experience on the team. Tuition Benefits: Take UMass Amherst courses while working. Opportunities to publish research papers, if desired. True search: No internal candidate. Excellent follow-on prospects: Several others from the lab later got job offers from Google, Yahoo, IBM, Microsoft. (We want someone interested in staying multiple years, though.) Time off: Five weeks vacation and personal time, plus 13 holidays each year. Gorgeous location: Amherst, MA: bucolic surroundings plus active culture. Smith, Holyoke, Hampshire and Amherst Colleges all in the neighborhood. Office with window. ================================================ Rexa: http://rexa.info (create free login) Rexa is a digital library covering the computer science research literature and the people who create it. Rexa is a sibling to Google Scholar, CiteSeer and the ACM Portal. It's chief enhancement is that Rexa knows about more first-class, de-duplicated, cross-referenced object types: not only papers and their citation links, but also people, grants, topics---and in the near future universities, conferences, journals, research communities, and more. Rexa currently provides: * Keyword search on over 7 million papers (mostly in computer science) * Cross-linked pages for papers, authors, topics and NSF grants * Browsing by citations, authors, co-authors, cited authors, citing authors; (find who cites you most by clicking "Citing authors" on your home page) * Web-2.0-style "tagging" to bookmark papers * Automatically-gathered contact info and photos of author's faces * Analysis of research topics, their impact, and how they relate. Coming soon: * Much improved coverage of recent CS papers (it's somewhat weak now) * Ability to make corrections to extracted data Coming later: * Improved ranking, extraction and co-reference accuracy * Much more data mining * Broader coverage of more research fields Rather than seeing our siblings as competitors, we believe that such services are like "newspapers for the research community", and, just as it is tremendously important that there is not solely one national newspaper, we think there should be many such services. This is especially true since increasingly they will do more than simply supply raw information, but also provide subjective analysis, pattern discovery, and predictions. Rexa acts as driving application and showcase for our research in machine learning, natural language processing, information extraction, entity resolution, trend analysis and social network analysis. We aim to revolutionize the progress of science by providing new tools to help scientists do their job more effectively. ============================================ Official Job Posting: The Information Extraction and Synthesis Laboratory within the Center for Intelligent Information Retrieval (CIIR) at the University of Massachusetts Amherst is seeking computer professionals to support its expanding research. The Software Engineers will design, implement, and maintain software systems. Both positions require experience with programming in Java or C++ and with building software systems, web-based systems experience is a plus. Experience preferred in Unix, Network, shell script programming and one or more of the following: information retrieval, natural language processing, text and information extraction processing, and database systems. Software Engineer 1: B.S. in computer science or related field, or equivalent combination of education, training and experience, plus 2-4 years experience or equivalent. M.S. preferred. Hiring Range: $39,200 - $55,400. Respond to Search #R25014. Senior Software Engineer: M.S. in Computer Science or equivalent and 2-4 years of related work experience. Demonstrated leadership ability required; project management experience preferred. Hiring Range: $47,600 - $65,000. Respond to Search #R26907. To apply, send a letter with your resume and three letters of recommendation to: Search {# from above}, Computer Science Department, University of Massachusetts, Amherst, MA 01003-9264. These positions are grant-funded; renewal beyond one year contingent upon continued funding. Review of applications will continue until the available positions are filled. The University of Massachusetts is an Affirmative Action/Equal Opportunity Employer. Women and members of minority groups are encouraged to apply.

July 27, 2007

Re: [Wlug] Evolution plugin for MS Exchange

by dulsi＠identicalsoftware.com

Like Brett I had some success with the Ximian Connector. Unfortunately IT turned off the exchange webmail that it uses. I've been meanning to try http://www.openchange.org/. Granted their plugin is not exactly production ready. Dennis Payne dulsi(a)identicalsoftware.com

July 26, 2007

Re: [Wlug] Evolution plugin for MS Exchange

by Brett Russ

On 7/26/07, Brett Russ <bruss(a)alum.wpi.edu> wrote: > Here are a few things to try: > -be sure your version of Exchange is compatible with the connector > -stick to webmail > -run Outlook through Crossover Office (http://www.codeweavers.com/) > -check or beg for Exchange IMAP connectivity I forgot the solution that works the best...which is what I do now: -run Outlook on Windows inside a VMWare virtual machine

July 26, 2007

Re: [Wlug] Evolution plugin for MS Exchange

by Brett Russ

On 7/24/07, chuck <cc.noyes(a)verizon.net> wrote: > Has anyone managed to get this working? Is there some "magic" tweaking that I > need to do? Chuck, I've gotten the Exchange connector (formerly, or maybe still, known as the Ximian Connector) working intermittently at a previous company, but it was really flaky (hangs, runaway processes, etc). When I tried to find solutions to the problems I was having, it seemed that it was no longer under active development. Here are a few things to try: -be sure your version of Exchange is compatible with the connector -stick to webmail -run Outlook through Crossover Office (http://www.codeweavers.com/) -check or beg for Exchange IMAP connectivity Good luck, BR

July 26, 2007

Re: [Wlug] BBQ Stuff

by Clint Moyer

http://www.nonstick.com/sounds/Miscellaneous/ltmi_028.wav ---- Andy Stewart <andystewart(a)comcast.net> wrote: ============= -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Eric Martin wrote: > my mistake > It is 6 PM on Thursday - the website it correct. I'll bring the penguin. See ya then! Andy - -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group (http://www.wlug.org) Chelmsford Linux Meetup Group (http://linux.meetup.com/393) Amateur Radio: KB1OIQ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFGp8bLHl0iXDssISsRAhjEAJwPaWcvdJl3CZuN0ZYugQ9YIK48QgCeNfyf xUT7eJrJ+Co+GnR9BiNjT1o= =6zmU -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

July 25, 2007

Re: [Wlug] BBQ Stuff

by Andy Stewart

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Eric Martin wrote: > my mistake > It is 6 PM on Thursday - the website it correct. I'll bring the penguin. See ya then! Andy - -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group (http://www.wlug.org) Chelmsford Linux Meetup Group (http://linux.meetup.com/393) Amateur Radio: KB1OIQ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFGp8bLHl0iXDssISsRAhjEAJwPaWcvdJl3CZuN0ZYugQ9YIK48QgCeNfyf xUT7eJrJ+Co+GnR9BiNjT1o= =6zmU -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

July 25, 2007

Re: [Wlug] Anyone tried this laptop/know more about it?

by Eric Stein

I very recently bought a ThinkPad x61 and although getting full hardware support on a new model was somewhat difficult, I got everything working. A bit expensive, though. Chuck Anderson wrote: > On Wed, Jul 25, 2007 at 03:19:54PM -0400, Desdinova wrote: > >> I'm a big proponent of used thinkpads, most are well supported! >> Lenovo warranty is transferable and extendable! >> > > ...and IBM/Lenovo parts are available cheaply on ebay for when your > laptop dies while you are on vacation and you only find out that the > warranty ran out 3 days ago when you call it in after returning! > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

July 25, 2007

Re: [Wlug] Anyone tried this laptop/know more about it?

by Chuck Anderson

On Wed, Jul 25, 2007 at 03:19:54PM -0400, Desdinova wrote: > I'm a big proponent of used thinkpads, most are well supported! > Lenovo warranty is transferable and extendable! ...and IBM/Lenovo parts are available cheaply on ebay for when your laptop dies while you are on vacation and you only find out that the warranty ran out 3 days ago when you call it in after returning!

July 25, 2007

Re: [Wlug] Anyone tried this laptop/know more about it?

by Desdinova

On 7/25/07, Adam Keck <ghostis(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Looks like you are on mark, Clint. Likely too good to be true - oh well. <SNIP> > > -Adam > I'm a big proponent of used thinkpads, most are well supported! Lenovo warranty is transferable and extendable! Take care, James

July 25, 2007

Re: [Wlug] BBQ Stuff

by Eric Martin

my mistake On 7/25/07, Stephen Daukas <scd(a)daukas.com> wrote: > > Is it 6 PM or 7 PM? Website states 6... > > Steve > > > On 7/25/07, Eric Martin <freak4uxxx(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > Ok, so far I have about 10 people RSVP'd as a yes. I'm hitting the > > grocery store tonight so please let me know if you haven't already. Also, > > if a few people could bring chairs that would be awesome, I only have 10 and > > I couldn't grab any more. Lastly, it's BYOB just so everyone knows, and I > > will have a cooler w/ice so we can keep stuff cold. See you tomorrow night > > at 7, right Andy? > > > > Eric > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wlug mailing list > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > > > > -- > Stephen C. Daukas > Engineer, Geoscientist, > Environmental Analyst > ________________________________________________ > - Please, before printing, think about the environment - > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > >

July 25, 2007

Re: [Wlug] Any SQL-types out there? (more lab automation stuff)

by Mark Richards

Stephen Daukas wrote: > Good morning! > > I didn't know if there is a "well known" SQL way of doing this (e.g., > data manipulation statements of some sort), so I thought I'd see if any > WLUGgers are also SQL-types. I have a few ideas for how to get this > done, but they are "programmer-centric" algorithms, which tend to be > different from "SQL-centric" algorithms... > Not likely although one responder offered an idea. It seems to me you will have to do some text processing to bring the data into the alignment you want. Either this or force the application generating the data to maintain your structure (not a good choice). My preference to your type of issue has been to use awk (or possibly flex in combination with bison but this might be overkill). There are certainly tons of other tools available. You will be forced into the wonderful world of unix. /m

July 25, 2007

Re: [Wlug] BBQ Stuff

by Stephen Daukas

Is it 6 PM or 7 PM? Website states 6... Steve On 7/25/07, Eric Martin <freak4uxxx(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > Ok, so far I have about 10 people RSVP'd as a yes. I'm hitting the > grocery store tonight so please let me know if you haven't already. Also, > if a few people could bring chairs that would be awesome, I only have 10 and > I couldn't grab any more. Lastly, it's BYOB just so everyone knows, and I > will have a cooler w/ice so we can keep stuff cold. See you tomorrow night > at 7, right Andy? > > Eric > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > -- Stephen C. Daukas Engineer, Geoscientist, Environmental Analyst ________________________________________________ - Please, before printing, think about the environment -

July 25, 2007

Re: [Wlug] Anyone tried this laptop/know more about it?

by Adam Keck

Looks like you are on mark, Clint. Likely too good to be true - oh well. >From Gizmodo comments: --------------- Johan Löfgren @ Jul 25th 2007 12:02PM Hello fellas. I came across this site, when searching for information about this computer. With that pricetag, it would be a brilliant surf & chat computer for me. I'm a swedish student, and I found an article in a larger web-newspaper in sweden and was amazed.. Sadly though, when reading comments all over, at swedish sites, this thing starts to smell very very rotten.. The speculation is about this beeing a scam, in the same way that you've mentioned above. There's bankrupcy issues, lies at the homepage, weird and incomplete messages from the people behind this "madison" company. The screenshots of the computer, has been found at other manufacturers. Companies, that Madison claim to work with, hasn't heard of the connection.. The things above, has been discovered by many people, at different swedish sites. Even more than that. The 4-6 week delivery time, sounds perfect to grab as much cash as possible and run. No-one can find anyone with an example of this computer. People doesn't believe this thing even exist. I recommend all of you, to wait and see how everything turns out here in sweden, before you buy this. As most swedes do right now.. Wait and see if the first computers arrive at all. I hope that this isn't a scam. I'd love to buy one. I'd love if the promised "future generation" will arrive. But this thing doesn't feel safe. Cincearly -Johan Löfgren. Orebro, Sweden -------- -Adam On 7/25/07, Clint Moyer <cdmoyer(a)charter.net> wrote: > Looks like the the $400 Acer I bought my wife at Microcenter which was a steal at that price. If you think you can get one from Sweden for $150, best of luck to you. Reading thru that site does not exactly inspire confidence. > > > ---- Adam Keck <ghostis(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > ============= > http://www.medisoncelebrity.com/product.html > > -Adam > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

July 25, 2007

Re: [Wlug] Any SQL-types out there? (more lab automation stuff)

by Tim Keller

I do a fair amount of data processing migrating between CSV and Oracle and mysql databases on both windows and linux and the weapon of choice on the windows side is ActiveState perl. You might want to persuade the IT people to let you use perl instead of VBscript. I can think of a couple compelling arguments right off the top of my head. 1. VBscript is crap! 2. Perl offers you amazing flexability to deal with CSV files. Either through direct manipulation using split/map/pack/unpack, to the CSV libraries, to the DBD libraries so you can treat the CSV file as a database and write SQL against it. 3. Perl offers equally great flexibility using DBI/DBD to interface and maniuplate databases, including MSSQL. 4. All your code will be immediately multiplatform. I'm sure it'll all fall on deaf eyes... just my two cents... Thanks, Tim. On 7/25/07, Stephen Daukas <scd(a)daukas.com> wrote: > > There are a lot of things I'd rather use, but I have to stick with the IT > standards... > > On 7/25/07, Michael Zarozinski < MichaelZ(a)aiguru.com> wrote: > > > > I think you'd be far better off using a scripting language such as perl, > > > > it's far easier to manipulate text files with perl. > > > > Michael Z > > > > Stephen Daukas wrote: > > > Good morning! > > > > > > In the continuing saga of automating various activities where I > > > work, I have taken on processing data files. (Automating data upload > > > is still somewhere in the air.)... > > > > > > This is rather simple in concept, but a bit less obvious in practice > > > (aren't they all!): > > > > > > I would like to open up a CSV file and rearrange the columns according > > > > > to a standardized order. Not every data file will have all of the > > > standard columns (different probes collect different data), but column > > > headers are standardized. So, I need to inspect each column header so > > > > > that I can place it and its entire column of data into the > > > proper position in the table, with empty columns inserted where needed > > > to preserve the standard sequence of columns. In other words: > > > > > > A, D, C, G, H becomes A, [B], C, D, [E], [F], G, H > > > where [ ] denote inserted empty columns > > > > > > There are literally hundreds of files of data in CSV format, and I > > > intend to process each by itself, preserving the original, and > > > creating a new "adjusted" file for the next step. (The next step > > > would be to concatenate all files together for numeric processing.) > > > Original files must be preserved (chain of custody requirements), so I > > > > > am opening the file, selecting records using SQL, and am now ready to > > > do the rearranging/writing to a new file... > > > > > > I didn't know if there is a "well known" SQL way of doing this ( e.g., > > > data manipulation statements of some sort), so I thought I'd see if > > > any WLUGgers are also SQL-types. I have a few ideas for how to get > > > this done, but they are "programmer-centric" algorithms, which tend to > > > > > be different from "SQL-centric" algorithms... > > > > > > The reason for SQL is that I have to do this on a MS platform because > > > that is the standard. But, if most of the real work is done in SQL, > > > then I can easily move to another platform in the future and only have > > > to change the "shell code". I am using VBscript as the "shell > > > language" because it works with all MS apps and file system objects > > > inclusive of CSV files. > > > > > > Thanks for any help!!! > > > > > > Best regards, > > > Steve > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Wlug mailing list > > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wlug mailing list > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > -- I am leary of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

July 25, 2007

Re: [Wlug] Any SQL-types out there? (more lab automation stuff)

by Stephen Daukas

There is (was) a commercial package that had awk, sed, grep, et al. and when I used it (pre XP) it did a fine job. I can't remember the name off hand, but I think it originated in Israel. Since then, I have occasionally come across a package or two, but I never took a closer look since I get this automatically on Linux... Given the "rules" regarding standardization where I work, it wouldn't be an option for me... If it smells like a PC and looks like a PC, then the IT division owns it to the point where you have to get permission to change your desktop configuration! I can't even auto-update as I do not have administrator permissions... Steve On 7/25/07, Eric Martin <freak4uxxx(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > does awk compile on windows? > > On 7/25/07, Michael Long <mlong(a)datalong.com> wrote: > > > > Chuck Anderson wrote: > > > On Wed, Jul 25, 2007 at 09:29:43AM -0400, Stephen Daukas wrote: > > >> There are literally hundreds of files of data in CSV format, and I > > intend to > > >> process each by itself, preserving the original, and creating a new > > >> "adjusted" file for the next step. (The next step would be to > > concatenate > > >> all files together for numeric processing.) Original files must be > > >> preserved (chain of custody requirements), so I am opening the file, > > >> selecting records using SQL, and am now ready to do the > > rearranging/writing > > >> to a new file... > > > > > > So you are selecting records out of a CSV file using SQL? How about > > > this: > > > > > > select columnB,columnG,columnA,columnC,columnF from foo; > > > > > > That will take the columns and return them in the given order. > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > That will work if the column order of the csv file is known. If the > > files come in with the columns in different orders and you have to > > examine the headers to determine the order or the data then it becomes > > more complex. > > > > If he really wants to do this in sql then you could bulk load the data > > into a worktable with all columns defined and char or varchar. When the > > data is loaded make sure you have a unique key for each row by defining > > one of the columns as an identity column. > > > > create table foo ( > > col1 identity(1,1), col2 varchar(25), col3 varchar(25) > > ) > > > > Once the data is imported you could right a sql script that will move > > the data based on the value found in the first record. > > > > if (select col2 from foo where col1 = 1) = 'myHeader' > > begin > > insert into myTable(myHeader) > > select col2 from foo > > end > > > > if (select col3 from foo where col1 = 1) = 'myHeader' > > begin > > insert into myTable(myHeader) > > select col3 from foo where col1 > 1 > > end > > > > Repeat this as necessary. Also be careful to keep the rows ordered as > > you move the data around. You will also need to reset the identity value > > between loads or come up with a method to deal with an incrementing > > number. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wlug mailing list > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > -- Stephen C. Daukas Engineer, Geoscientist, Environmental Analyst ________________________________________________ - Please, before printing, think about the environment -

July 25, 2007

Re: [Wlug] Anyone tried this laptop/know more about it?

by Clint Moyer

Looks like the the $400 Acer I bought my wife at Microcenter which was a steal at that price. If you think you can get one from Sweden for $150, best of luck to you. Reading thru that site does not exactly inspire confidence. ---- Adam Keck <ghostis(a)gmail.com> wrote: ============= http://www.medisoncelebrity.com/product.html -Adam _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

July 25, 2007

Re: [Wlug] Any SQL-types out there? (more lab automation stuff)

by Eric Martin

does awk compile on windows? On 7/25/07, Michael Long <mlong(a)datalong.com> wrote: > > Chuck Anderson wrote: > > On Wed, Jul 25, 2007 at 09:29:43AM -0400, Stephen Daukas wrote: > >> There are literally hundreds of files of data in CSV format, and I > intend to > >> process each by itself, preserving the original, and creating a new > >> "adjusted" file for the next step. (The next step would be to > concatenate > >> all files together for numeric processing.) Original files must be > >> preserved (chain of custody requirements), so I am opening the file, > >> selecting records using SQL, and am now ready to do the > rearranging/writing > >> to a new file... > > > > So you are selecting records out of a CSV file using SQL? How about > > this: > > > > select columnB,columnG,columnA,columnC,columnF from foo; > > > > That will take the columns and return them in the given order. > > _______________________________________________ > > That will work if the column order of the csv file is known. If the > files come in with the columns in different orders and you have to > examine the headers to determine the order or the data then it becomes > more complex. > > If he really wants to do this in sql then you could bulk load the data > into a worktable with all columns defined and char or varchar. When the > data is loaded make sure you have a unique key for each row by defining > one of the columns as an identity column. > > create table foo ( > col1 identity(1,1), col2 varchar(25), col3 varchar(25) > ) > > Once the data is imported you could right a sql script that will move > the data based on the value found in the first record. > > if (select col2 from foo where col1 = 1) = 'myHeader' > begin > insert into myTable(myHeader) > select col2 from foo > end > > if (select col3 from foo where col1 = 1) = 'myHeader' > begin > insert into myTable(myHeader) > select col3 from foo where col1 > 1 > end > > Repeat this as necessary. Also be careful to keep the rows ordered as > you move the data around. You will also need to reset the identity value > between loads or come up with a method to deal with an incrementing > number. > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

July 25, 2007

Anyone tried this laptop/know more about it?

by Adam Keck

http://www.medisoncelebrity.com/product.html -Adam

July 25, 2007

Re: [Wlug] Any SQL-types out there? (more lab automation stuff)

by Stephen Daukas

I received an incredibly useful suggestion from a fellow WLUGger that I am coming up to speed on. I'll fill you in when I'm confident I "get" what he is trying to "learn me". Its probably "SQL 101" for database types, but I'll provide a summary of what I end up with just the same. Definitely a SQL solution! Steve On 7/25/07, Stephen Daukas <scd(a)daukas.com> wrote: > > Hi Chuck! > > If I knew the order of the columns a priori, that would work, but sadly I > don't. The number of columns, as well as the order, are random due to the > fact that different sondes collect different data. In fact, my plan was to > first determine the order of the columns in the source file, then I thought > about using ALTER TABLE (in combination with SELECT column-of-interest) to > put each column, one-by-one, into the new table in the proper order - last > to first. If I select columns as you suggest, I still have to insert > "empty" columns to maintain the proper column order, and I haven't found a > way to insert a column into the middle of a table. (ALTER TABLE always > creates a new column at the front of the table.) > > I was also thinking of biting the bullet and learning about MS JET (ODBC > provider) attributes/field names as a way of discovering what fields > (columns) are available, but I'm trying to keep this as close to "token > handling" as possible so I can easily cleave MS-specific file stuff from the > meat of the program. > > Correct me if I'm wrong on this - my SQL experience is on the order of 15 > years old and I only just taught myself VB scrpt a few weeks ago... > > Steve > > On 7/25/07, Chuck Anderson <cra(a)wpi.edu> wrote: > > > > On Wed, Jul 25, 2007 at 09:29:43AM -0400, Stephen Daukas wrote: > > > There are literally hundreds of files of data in CSV format, and I > > intend to > > > process each by itself, preserving the original, and creating a new > > > "adjusted" file for the next step. (The next step would be to > > concatenate > > > all files together for numeric processing.) Original files must be > > > preserved (chain of custody requirements), so I am opening the file, > > > selecting records using SQL, and am now ready to do the > > rearranging/writing > > > to a new file... > > > > So you are selecting records out of a CSV file using SQL? How about > > this: > > > > select columnB,columnG,columnA,columnC,columnF from foo; > > > > That will take the columns and return them in the given order. > > _______________________________________________ > > Wlug mailing list > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > >

July 25, 2007

BBQ Stuff

by Eric Martin

Ok, so far I have about 10 people RSVP'd as a yes. I'm hitting the grocery store tonight so please let me know if you haven't already. Also, if a few people could bring chairs that would be awesome, I only have 10 and I couldn't grab any more. Lastly, it's BYOB just so everyone knows, and I will have a cooler w/ice so we can keep stuff cold. See you tomorrow night at 7, right Andy? Eric

July 25, 2007

Re: [Wlug] Any SQL-types out there? (more lab automation stuff)

by Stephen Daukas

Hi Chuck! If I knew the order of the columns a priori, that would work, but sadly I don't. The number of columns, as well as the order, are random due to the fact that different sondes collect different data. In fact, my plan was to first determine the order of the columns in the source file, then I thought about using ALTER TABLE (in combination with SELECT column-of-interest) to put each column, one-by-one, into the new table in the proper order - last to first. If I select columns as you suggest, I still have to insert "empty" columns to maintain the proper column order, and I haven't found a way to insert a column into the middle of a table. (ALTER TABLE always creates a new column at the front of the table.) I was also thinking of biting the bullet and learning about MS JET (ODBC provider) attributes/field names as a way of discovering what fields (columns) are available, but I'm trying to keep this as close to "token handling" as possible so I can easily cleave MS-specific file stuff from the meat of the program. Correct me if I'm wrong on this - my SQL experience is on the order of 15 years old and I only just taught myself VB scrpt a few weeks ago... Steve On 7/25/07, Chuck Anderson <cra(a)wpi.edu> wrote: > > On Wed, Jul 25, 2007 at 09:29:43AM -0400, Stephen Daukas wrote: > > There are literally hundreds of files of data in CSV format, and I > intend to > > process each by itself, preserving the original, and creating a new > > "adjusted" file for the next step. (The next step would be to > concatenate > > all files together for numeric processing.) Original files must be > > preserved (chain of custody requirements), so I am opening the file, > > selecting records using SQL, and am now ready to do the > rearranging/writing > > to a new file... > > So you are selecting records out of a CSV file using SQL? How about > this: > > select columnB,columnG,columnA,columnC,columnF from foo; > > That will take the columns and return them in the given order. > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

July 25, 2007

Re: [Wlug] Any SQL-types out there? (more lab automation stuff)

by Michael Long

Chuck Anderson wrote: > On Wed, Jul 25, 2007 at 09:29:43AM -0400, Stephen Daukas wrote: >> There are literally hundreds of files of data in CSV format, and I intend to >> process each by itself, preserving the original, and creating a new >> "adjusted" file for the next step. (The next step would be to concatenate >> all files together for numeric processing.) Original files must be >> preserved (chain of custody requirements), so I am opening the file, >> selecting records using SQL, and am now ready to do the rearranging/writing >> to a new file... > > So you are selecting records out of a CSV file using SQL? How about > this: > > select columnB,columnG,columnA,columnC,columnF from foo; > > That will take the columns and return them in the given order. > _______________________________________________ That will work if the column order of the csv file is known. If the files come in with the columns in different orders and you have to examine the headers to determine the order or the data then it becomes more complex. If he really wants to do this in sql then you could bulk load the data into a worktable with all columns defined and char or varchar. When the data is loaded make sure you have a unique key for each row by defining one of the columns as an identity column. create table foo ( col1 identity(1,1), col2 varchar(25), col3 varchar(25) ) Once the data is imported you could right a sql script that will move the data based on the value found in the first record. if (select col2 from foo where col1 = 1) = 'myHeader' begin insert into myTable(myHeader) select col2 from foo end if (select col3 from foo where col1 = 1) = 'myHeader' begin insert into myTable(myHeader) select col3 from foo where col1 > 1 end Repeat this as necessary. Also be careful to keep the rows ordered as you move the data around. You will also need to reset the identity value between loads or come up with a method to deal with an incrementing number.

July 25, 2007

Re: [Wlug] Any SQL-types out there? (more lab automation stuff)

by Chuck Anderson

On Wed, Jul 25, 2007 at 09:29:43AM -0400, Stephen Daukas wrote: > There are literally hundreds of files of data in CSV format, and I intend to > process each by itself, preserving the original, and creating a new > "adjusted" file for the next step. (The next step would be to concatenate > all files together for numeric processing.) Original files must be > preserved (chain of custody requirements), so I am opening the file, > selecting records using SQL, and am now ready to do the rearranging/writing > to a new file... So you are selecting records out of a CSV file using SQL? How about this: select columnB,columnG,columnA,columnC,columnF from foo; That will take the columns and return them in the given order.

July 25, 2007

Re: [Wlug] Any SQL-types out there? (more lab automation stuff)

by Michael Long

Stephen Daukas wrote: > There are a lot of things I'd rather use, but I have to stick with the > IT standards... > Most of my work has been in SQL Server shops where MS is the preferred technology. Having said that I would push for a Perl solution in this case because what you want to do does not lend itself to SQL easily. Perl will get the job done faster and cheaper. Not only that it is portable across platforms. You will have significantly less maintenance over the long term. -mike

July 25, 2007

Re: [Wlug] Any SQL-types out there? (more lab automation stuff)

by Stephen Daukas

There are a lot of things I'd rather use, but I have to stick with the IT standards... On 7/25/07, Michael Zarozinski <MichaelZ(a)aiguru.com> wrote: > > I think you'd be far better off using a scripting language such as perl, > it's far easier to manipulate text files with perl. > > Michael Z > > Stephen Daukas wrote: > > Good morning! > > > > In the continuing saga of automating various activities where I > > work, I have taken on processing data files. (Automating data upload > > is still somewhere in the air.)... > > > > This is rather simple in concept, but a bit less obvious in practice > > (aren't they all!): > > > > I would like to open up a CSV file and rearrange the columns according > > to a standardized order. Not every data file will have all of the > > standard columns (different probes collect different data), but column > > headers are standardized. So, I need to inspect each column header so > > that I can place it and its entire column of data into the > > proper position in the table, with empty columns inserted where needed > > to preserve the standard sequence of columns. In other words: > > > > A, D, C, G, H becomes A, [B], C, D, [E], [F], G, H > > where [ ] denote inserted empty columns > > > > There are literally hundreds of files of data in CSV format, and I > > intend to process each by itself, preserving the original, and > > creating a new "adjusted" file for the next step. (The next step > > would be to concatenate all files together for numeric processing.) > > Original files must be preserved (chain of custody requirements), so I > > am opening the file, selecting records using SQL, and am now ready to > > do the rearranging/writing to a new file... > > > > I didn't know if there is a "well known" SQL way of doing this (e.g., > > data manipulation statements of some sort), so I thought I'd see if > > any WLUGgers are also SQL-types. I have a few ideas for how to get > > this done, but they are "programmer-centric" algorithms, which tend to > > be different from "SQL-centric" algorithms... > > > > The reason for SQL is that I have to do this on a MS platform because > > that is the standard. But, if most of the real work is done in SQL, > > then I can easily move to another platform in the future and only have > > to change the "shell code". I am using VBscript as the "shell > > language" because it works with all MS apps and file system objects > > inclusive of CSV files. > > > > Thanks for any help!!! > > > > Best regards, > > Steve > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wlug mailing list > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

July 25, 2007

Re: [Wlug] Any SQL-types out there? (more lab automation stuff)

by Michael Zarozinski

I think you'd be far better off using a scripting language such as perl, it's far easier to manipulate text files with perl. Michael Z Stephen Daukas wrote: > Good morning! > > In the continuing saga of automating various activities where I > work, I have taken on processing data files. (Automating data upload > is still somewhere in the air.)... > > This is rather simple in concept, but a bit less obvious in practice > (aren't they all!): > > I would like to open up a CSV file and rearrange the columns according > to a standardized order. Not every data file will have all of the > standard columns (different probes collect different data), but column > headers are standardized. So, I need to inspect each column header so > that I can place it and its entire column of data into the > proper position in the table, with empty columns inserted where needed > to preserve the standard sequence of columns. In other words: > > A, D, C, G, H becomes A, [B], C, D, [E], [F], G, H > where [ ] denote inserted empty columns > > There are literally hundreds of files of data in CSV format, and I > intend to process each by itself, preserving the original, and > creating a new "adjusted" file for the next step. (The next step > would be to concatenate all files together for numeric processing.) > Original files must be preserved (chain of custody requirements), so I > am opening the file, selecting records using SQL, and am now ready to > do the rearranging/writing to a new file... > > I didn't know if there is a "well known" SQL way of doing this (e.g., > data manipulation statements of some sort), so I thought I'd see if > any WLUGgers are also SQL-types. I have a few ideas for how to get > this done, but they are "programmer-centric" algorithms, which tend to > be different from "SQL-centric" algorithms... > > The reason for SQL is that I have to do this on a MS platform because > that is the standard. But, if most of the real work is done in SQL, > then I can easily move to another platform in the future and only have > to change the "shell code". I am using VBscript as the "shell > language" because it works with all MS apps and file system objects > inclusive of CSV files. > > Thanks for any help!!! > > Best regards, > Steve > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

July 25, 2007

Any SQL-types out there? (more lab automation stuff)

by Stephen Daukas

Good morning! In the continuing saga of automating various activities where I work, I have taken on processing data files. (Automating data upload is still somewhere in the air.)... This is rather simple in concept, but a bit less obvious in practice (aren't they all!): I would like to open up a CSV file and rearrange the columns according to a standardized order. Not every data file will have all of the standard columns (different probes collect different data), but column headers are standardized. So, I need to inspect each column header so that I can place it and its entire column of data into the proper position in the table, with empty columns inserted where needed to preserve the standard sequence of columns. In other words: A, D, C, G, H becomes A, [B], C, D, [E], [F], G, H where [ ] denote inserted empty columns There are literally hundreds of files of data in CSV format, and I intend to process each by itself, preserving the original, and creating a new "adjusted" file for the next step. (The next step would be to concatenate all files together for numeric processing.) Original files must be preserved (chain of custody requirements), so I am opening the file, selecting records using SQL, and am now ready to do the rearranging/writing to a new file... I didn't know if there is a "well known" SQL way of doing this (e.g., data manipulation statements of some sort), so I thought I'd see if any WLUGgers are also SQL-types. I have a few ideas for how to get this done, but they are "programmer-centric" algorithms, which tend to be different from "SQL-centric" algorithms... The reason for SQL is that I have to do this on a MS platform because that is the standard. But, if most of the real work is done in SQL, then I can easily move to another platform in the future and only have to change the "shell code". I am using VBscript as the "shell language" because it works with all MS apps and file system objects inclusive of CSV files. Thanks for any help!!! Best regards, Steve

July 25, 2007

Re: [Wlug] WLUG BBQ !!!

by Gregory Avedissian

I'd like to go to the BBQ, but I need help with transportation. Could someone give me a ride? I live in Worcester. Thanks, Greg Andy Stewart wrote: > > HI everybody, > > The WLUG BBQ is coming up fast: > > Date: Thursday, July 26th, 2007 > > Time: 6:00 PM > > Place: Eric Martin's house > > Address: 33 Lansing Avenue, Worcester, MA 01605 > This is 2.5 miles from WPI. > Look for the penguin! > > WLUG will supply burgers, dogs, munchies, soda, and the like. Thanks, > Eric, for hosting the BBQ this year! > > See ya there! > > Andy > > _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

July 25, 2007

Thanks!

by Stephen Daukas

Hi all! Thanks for all of the posts on "project management software"! They were helpful! Regards, Steve

July 25, 2007

Re: [Wlug] Hard drive configuration

by Chuck Anderson

On Tue, Jul 24, 2007 at 05:36:16PM -0400, Michael Long wrote: > /dev/sdb3 / reiserfs acl,user_xattr 1 1 > /dev/sdb1 /boot reiserfs acl,user_xattr 1 2 > /dev/sda1 /raid reiserfs defaults 1 2 > /dev/sdb2 swap swap pri=42 0 0 > > I downloaded OpenSuSE 10.2 and attempted to upgrade the system. When > running either an upgrade or new install it tells me that /dev/sda3 is > defined as /dev/sdb3 in fstab. > > Bottom line when I install opensuse 10.2 it sees my raid as sdb and the > system is currently setup to have it as sda. I do not understand why my > current configuration is the opposite of what a new install is finding. > Where do I go from here? The order sda sdb sdc etc. depends on the order the SCSI buses were probed in. Different kernels may find hardware in a different order, or modules may load in a different order causing this. In fact, in Fedora 7+, they stopped using the old IDE driver and switched to the new ATA driver using libata. Now all /dev/hdX devices appear as /dev/sdX. The solution is to avoid using device names directly, and instead use filesystem labels, uuids, and/or LVM. e.g. this will label your devices (caveat: I haven't used reiserfs or SuSE before so you'll probably want to google this and read more about it): reiserfstune -l raid /dev/sda1 reiserfstune -l boot /dev/sdb1 reiserfstune -l root /dev/sdb3 (For Ext2/Ext3, you'd use e.g. "e2label /dev/sda1 raid") swapoff /dev/sdb2 mkswap -L swap /dev/sdb2 swapon -L swap Then you change your /etc/fstab like this: LABEL=root / reiserfs acl,user_xattr 1 1 LABEL=boot /boot reiserfs acl,user_xattr 1 2 LABEL=raid /raid reiserfs defaults 1 2 LABEL=swap swap swap pri=42 0 0 GRUB/Lilo will have to be dealt with separately. For example, my grub.conf (menu.lst) has this in it: title Fedora (2.6.21-1.3194.fc7) root (hd0,1) kernel /vmlinuz-2.6.21-1.3194.fc7 ro root=/dev/VGSystem/LVRoot rhgb quiet initrd /initrd-2.6.21-1.3194.fc7.img but I believe you can say "root=LABEL=root" instead. UUID's work similarly to labels.

July 25, 2007

Re: [Wlug] Hard drive configuration

by Robert L Krawitz

Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2007 17:36:16 -0400 From: Michael Long <mlong(a)datalong.com> I hope someone can point me in the right direction. I have a SuSE 9.3 system that was fully configured when I bought it. When looking at fstab the drives are configured as follows: /dev/sdb3 / reiserfs acl,user_xattr 1 1 /dev/sdb1 /boot reiserfs acl,user_xattr 1 2 /dev/sda1 /raid reiserfs defaults 1 2 /dev/sdb2 swap swap pri=42 0 0 I downloaded OpenSuSE 10.2 and attempted to upgrade the system. When running either an upgrade or new install it tells me that /dev/sda3 is defined as /dev/sdb3 in fstab. Bottom line when I install opensuse 10.2 it sees my raid as sdb and the system is currently setup to have it as sda. I do not understand why my current configuration is the opposite of what a new install is finding. Where do I go from here? Somewhere between 10.0 and 10.2 they changed the drive layout, so this may be correct.

July 25, 2007

Evolution plugin for MS Exchange

by chuck

Hi All, I'm running kubuntu feisty with evolution 2.10.1. I'm trying to use the exchange plugin to connect to the MS 2003 Exchange Server at work. I have all the info about the implementation of Exchange from the IT folks, but I just can't make the plugin work. When I enter in my password, I get "Can not authenticate. (password incorrect?)" error. For the "Identity" - Username is my name (not surprising...) - Email address is my fully qualified email address. For the "Receiving email" - Server type is Microsoft exchange - Username is my domainname\username (Note: I've tried it without the domainname, still no joy). - OWA URL is the webmail URL (this has been confirmed by the IT folks) - Authenticate - I enter my password - seems to be ok. - Authentication Type - I've tried both secure and plaintext For "Receiving options" - Global Address List/Active directory settings - There's no entry I've looked at the Ubuntu launchpad website and there seems to be a few issues with the plugin. When evolution starts, it tries to search for mail folders, but finds nothing. I can't even terminate the process. I have to find out what pid number it is and terminate it with the 'kill <pid>' command. Has anyone managed to get this working? Is there some "magic" tweaking that I need to do? TIA, -Chuck

July 24, 2007

Hard drive configuration

by Michael Long

I hope someone can point me in the right direction. I have a SuSE 9.3 system that was fully configured when I bought it. When looking at fstab the drives are configured as follows: /dev/sdb3 / reiserfs acl,user_xattr 1 1 /dev/sdb1 /boot reiserfs acl,user_xattr 1 2 /dev/sda1 /raid reiserfs defaults 1 2 /dev/sdb2 swap swap pri=42 0 0 I downloaded OpenSuSE 10.2 and attempted to upgrade the system. When running either an upgrade or new install it tells me that /dev/sda3 is defined as /dev/sdb3 in fstab. Bottom line when I install opensuse 10.2 it sees my raid as sdb and the system is currently setup to have it as sda. I do not understand why my current configuration is the opposite of what a new install is finding. Where do I go from here?

July 24, 2007

Re: [Wlug] WLUG BBQ !!!

by Eric Martin

Either works just fine. I'm trying to move stuff to eric.joshua.martin, but it takes time. On 7/22/07, Keith Wright <kwright(a)keithdiane.us> wrote: > > > From: Andy Stewart <andystewart(a)comcast.net> > > > > Please RSVP to Eric Martin so he'll know how much food to buy. > > This is, no doubt, obvious, but for the record let's stipulate that > Eric Martin's email address is: freak4uxxx(a)gmail.com > (Unless it is: eric.joshua.martin(a)gmail.com) > > -- Keith > > PS: It took me a while, but I did get around to > signing the public keys given to me a few months > ago and uploading them to http://pgp.mit.edu. > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

July 24, 2007

Re: [Wlug] WLUG BBQ !!!

by Keith Wright

> From: Andy Stewart <andystewart(a)comcast.net> > > Please RSVP to Eric Martin so he'll know how much food to buy. This is, no doubt, obvious, but for the record let's stipulate that Eric Martin's email address is: freak4uxxx(a)gmail.com (Unless it is: eric.joshua.martin(a)gmail.com) -- Keith PS: It took me a while, but I did get around to signing the public keys given to me a few months ago and uploading them to http://pgp.mit.edu.

July 22, 2007

Re: [Wlug] WLUG BBQ !!!

by Andy Stewart

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 James P. Gray wrote: > I have no idea how many people might come. Maybe 30? Is someone taking > RSVPs? If your main goal is to advance your knowledge in Linux you may > find it more worth your while to attend a regular meeting then the BBQ. > During regular meetings we cover specific topics or have free ranging > discussions. My understanding is that the BBQ is more of a social event > for the group. Someone correct me if I am wrong. Hi gang, The BBQ is a social event where traditionally 15-20 people have attended. This is not the normal meeting setting - the BBQ is in lieu of a meeting. Please RSVP to Eric Martin so he'll know how much food to buy. Thanks, Andy - -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group (http://www.wlug.org) Chelmsford Linux Meetup Group (http://linux.meetup.com/393) Amateur Radio: KB1OIQ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD4DBQFGounrHl0iXDssISsRAvoPAJ9g595wjqnVpTXMwJWa3xnyMSEGVACVFwAT Mj7ZPnMKf4fuvnaHedA0lg== =It1k -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

July 22, 2007

Re: [Wlug] WLUG BBQ !!!

by James P. Gray

I have no idea how many people might come. Maybe 30? Is someone taking RSVPs? If your main goal is to advance your knowledge in Linux you may find it more worth your while to attend a regular meeting then the BBQ. During regular meetings we cover specific topics or have free ranging discussions. My understanding is that the BBQ is more of a social event for the group. Someone correct me if I am wrong. kstratton(a)fastmail.us wrote: > I recently joined the mailing list to get an idea of how active this > group is. Perhaps somebody can provide an approximate number of > expected participants for this meeting? If I go (I am thinking about > it...), I would have to take a 1/2 day off from work and drive from > Connecticut. I am looking for an active group that provides an > environment to accelerate my learning with Linux to hopefully reach a > point of learning where it could be enjoyable to contribute back to some > open source project or another. > > I am running Gentoo, so I am not a COMPLETE newbe. > >

July 22, 2007

Re: [Wlug] WLUG BBQ !!!

by kstratton＠fastmail.us

I recently joined the mailing list to get an idea of how active this group is. Perhaps somebody can provide an approximate number of expected participants for this meeting? If I go (I am thinking about it...), I would have to take a 1/2 day off from work and drive from Connecticut. I am looking for an active group that provides an environment to accelerate my learning with Linux to hopefully reach a point of learning where it could be enjoyable to contribute back to some open source project or another. I am running Gentoo, so I am not a COMPLETE newbe. On Sat, 21 Jul 2007 10:37:56 -0400, "Andy Stewart" <andystewart(a)comcast.net> said: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > > HI everybody, > > The WLUG BBQ is coming up fast: > > Date: Thursday, July 26th, 2007 > > Time: 6:00 PM > > Place: Eric Martin's house > > Address: 33 Lansing Avenue, Worcester, MA 01605 > This is 2.5 miles from WPI. > Look for the penguin! > > WLUG will supply burgers, dogs, munchies, soda, and the like. Thanks, > Eric, for hosting the BBQ this year! > > See ya there! > > Andy > > > - -- > Andy Stewart, Founder > Worcester Linux Users' Group (http://www.wlug.org) > Chelmsford Linux Meetup Group (http://linux.meetup.com/393) > Amateur Radio: KB1OIQ > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > > iD8DBQFGohpEHl0iXDssISsRAiXvAJ4qkWSBpHaGD/MTD9nWU5+/AW2wuwCeOQ5t > 4K5LyUHbm0MeiNc/QX5PnG4= > =JeTk > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug -- kstratton(a)fastmail.us

July 22, 2007

WLUG BBQ !!!

by Andy Stewart

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 HI everybody, The WLUG BBQ is coming up fast: Date: Thursday, July 26th, 2007 Time: 6:00 PM Place: Eric Martin's house Address: 33 Lansing Avenue, Worcester, MA 01605 This is 2.5 miles from WPI. Look for the penguin! WLUG will supply burgers, dogs, munchies, soda, and the like. Thanks, Eric, for hosting the BBQ this year! See ya there! Andy - -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group (http://www.wlug.org) Chelmsford Linux Meetup Group (http://linux.meetup.com/393) Amateur Radio: KB1OIQ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFGohpEHl0iXDssISsRAiXvAJ4qkWSBpHaGD/MTD9nWU5+/AW2wuwCeOQ5t 4K5LyUHbm0MeiNc/QX5PnG4= =JeTk -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

July 21, 2007

Re: [Wlug] Democracy Player - Miro

by Eric Stein

As soon as I can emerge it (which, according to their site, will be pretty soon), I'm installing it. Yeah, I could go download it, but I like doing things via portage, it's easier to keep track of. Joe Riopel wrote: > Hi, > > I am not sure how many of your are/were familiar with the Democracy > media player, but they have recently changed the name to Miro > (http://www.getmiro.com/) > > The reason I am posting it here is that some of the core people > working on that project are from right here in glorious Worcester. > > Joe

July 18, 2007

Re: [Wlug] Democracy Player - Miro

by Klein, Richard

> From: Joe Riopel > > Hi, > > I am not sure how many of your are/were familiar with the > Democracy media player, but they have recently changed the > name to Miro (http://www.getmiro.com/) > > The reason I am posting it here is that some of the core > people working on that project are from right here in > glorious Worcester. That's cool! I installed Democracy on my Mac, but with iTunes pre-installed, I haven't actually gotten around to using Democracy/Miro more than once or twice. -- Rich

July 18, 2007

Democracy Player - Miro

by Joe Riopel

Hi, I am not sure how many of your are/were familiar with the Democracy media player, but they have recently changed the name to Miro (http://www.getmiro.com/) The reason I am posting it here is that some of the core people working on that project are from right here in glorious Worcester. Joe

July 18, 2007

Re: [Wlug] greetings

by Frank Sweetser

rwaka jude wrote: > Hello to you all am Rwaka Jude a University student at kigali institute > of science and technology (KIST) in central Africa. i have had interest > in joining fellow student students in your linux users group due to the > fact that am aslo interested and writting my dissertation in a linux > environment so i thought of joing groups like yours to see if we can > exchange ideas and opinions. > My project is: SETTING UP A WEB BASED EMAIL SYSTEM RUNNING ON A LINUX > SERVER USING SQUIRREL MAIL; > Am hoping to hear from you if you could love to entertain students in > your group. otherwise wish all the best of luck and looking forward to > hearing from your committee. Hi Rwaka, while we're primarily based out of Worcester, MA in the US, you're certainly welcome to participate on the mailing lists. When you're ready with more specific questions and topics, just send them out and someone will probably respond! -- Frank Sweetser fs at wpi.edu | For every problem, there is a solution that WPI Senior Network Engineer | is simple, elegant, and wrong. - HL Mencken GPG fingerprint = 6174 1257 129E 0D21 D8D4 E8A3 8E39 29E3 E2E8 8CEC

July 12, 2007

Re: [Wlug] Getting your mom on Linux?

by Eric Martin

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I have an ipod and use citrix on multiple linux computers. The easiest way to get the ICA client is to go to her NFUSE page (where she logs in) and it will have a link. If not, http://www.citrix.com/English/SS/downloads/details.asp?dID=2755&downloadID=…. I can't quite get it to work in firefox, so I installed the client into my home directory, and have wfica open the files. As for ipods, there are many programs (I've tried out at least 5). It depends on what you want. If she just uses stuff downloaded from iTunes then you are out of luck from what I can tell. I too hate DRM so I use straight mp3s that I ripped myself. Amarok has a plugin that comes with it for ipods, I hear banshee works too. GtkPod is just for ipods (I haven't used it in a few years). I once tried to get iTunes to work under WINE but I haven't gotten that working yet. As for printing, it all depends on what printer you have. Next time I need a printer I'm consulting the foomatic-db first, as my wife always wants printers that aren't supported under linux. I use all of this stuff under Gentoo and Ubuntu, and find it very easy under both. If you need a hand with anything, just let me know. Also as a call to a later post, I would have to agree with NOT dual-booting. First she won't use GNU/Linux. Secondly, you'll have to deal with Windows headaches AND migrating her over to GNU/Linux. I'd say make the jump after you research the ipod and the printer. Just my $0.02 Eric Mike Perry wrote: > Hi all, > > I visited my parents yesterday and yet again my mother's computer is filled > with spyware. Everytime I go there it is slower and slower and odd things > keep happening (like icons disappearing ... I've witnessed this myself). > > I've been considering trying to get her onto Kubuntu, but I have a few valid > concerns. I'm curious if anyone has any experience with the following under > Linux (any flavor): > > * Citrix connectivity -- She currently, and very seldom, uses an ActiveX > control in IE to connect to her work. Are there alternatives besides using IE > and Wine or running a VM? > > * iPod which is currently registered with her Windows box. I'm not too > familiar with this, because my mp3 is not an iPod. > > * Printing - She currently has a very nice Canon i960 which can print photos. > I less concerned about drivers and more about functionality. Her current > Windows based software can print wallets, 8x10s, etc very easily. I wouldn't > want her to lose that ability. > > I know some of these answers might be a Google away, but I'm curious on your > experiences with this and possibility any other gothcya's that I am not > thinking about. > > If I could overcome these hurdles I think she would actually have a much > pleasant experience with her home pc. I've slowly been getting her to adopt > open source software, but this would be a big jump. I also think it would be > much easier for me help remotely too. > > Cheers, > Mike > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFGlMmbaiVxdKlBO58RAurFAJ41G3aGIFzZwkepbKSQc/EjDSsgqgCgh3w6 hzx3DmJa80ME5BIUPPkyvg4= =iku4 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

July 11, 2007

greetings

by rwaka jude

Hello to you all am Rwaka Jude a University student at kigali institute of science and technology (KIST) in central Africa. i have had interest in joining fellow student students in your linux users group due to the fact that am aslo interested and writting my dissertation in a linux environment so i thought of joing groups like yours to see if we can exchange ideas and opinions. My project is: SETTING UP A WEB BASED EMAIL SYSTEM RUNNING ON A LINUX SERVER USING SQUIRREL MAIL; Am hoping to hear from you if you could love to entertain students in your group. otherwise wish all the best of luck and looking forward to hearing from your committee. Regards Jude Rwaka --------------------------------- Ready for the edge of your seat? Check out tonight's top picks on Yahoo! TV.

July 10, 2007

Re: [Wlug] Getting your mom on Linux?

by Mike Leo

tsclient is a front end to rdesktop. Also, there is an official Citrix client for linux. you could also give her a liveCD and see how many objections you get. I gave my dad linux 3 or 4 years ago now and he's never looked back. ----- Original Message ---- From: Mike Perry <mwp(a)sdf.lonestar.org> To: Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> Sent: Thursday, July 5, 2007 2:55:42 PM Subject: Re: [Wlug] Getting your mom on Linux? I think tsclient is just a front end to: http://bin-false.org/?p=13 That may be an option depending on how her work has Citrix configured. Rdesktop just makes a reference to ICA. I think the harddrive idea is actually pretty good (if I had a spare drive :) At least this way I could test these scenarios. I really don't have much experience with iPods though. I know they have some kind of DRM -- I am pretty certain I can get it working with Amarok, but what I am not clear on is how it associates the music to account. Even if we rebuilt her Windows computer it may pose a DRM problem. I hate DRM. Anyone have any insight? On another note... I am pretty confident that modern Linux distro's can hold up a novice computer user like my mother. Primarily she uses her computer for casual web surfing and email. She is already using Firefox and Thunderbird -- so if I show her the icons she will know what to do. ~Mike > On Thursday 05 July 2007 1:43:44 pm Andre Lehovich wrote: > > --- Mike Perry <mwp(a)sdf.lonestar.org> wrote: > > > * Citrix connectivity -- She currently, and very seldom, uses an > > > ActiveX control in IE to connect to her work. Are there alternatives > > > besides using IE and Wine or running a VM? > > > > $ apt-cache search citrix > > tsclient - front-end for viewing of remote desktops in GNOME > > rdesktop - RDP client for Windows NT/2000 Terminal Server > > > > The web equivalent: > > http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=citrix > > > > VNC also works for connecting between different operating systems. > > > > --Andre > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________________ > >__ _________ Looking for earth-friendly autos? > > Browse Top Cars by "Green Rating" at Yahoo! Autos' Green Center. > > http://autos.yahoo.com/green_center/ > > _______________________________________________ > > Wlug mailing list > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

July 5, 2007

Re: [Wlug] Getting your mom on Linux?

by Mike Perry

I think tsclient is just a front end to: http://bin-false.org/?p=13 That may be an option depending on how her work has Citrix configured. Rdesktop just makes a reference to ICA. I think the harddrive idea is actually pretty good (if I had a spare drive :) At least this way I could test these scenarios. I really don't have much experience with iPods though. I know they have some kind of DRM -- I am pretty certain I can get it working with Amarok, but what I am not clear on is how it associates the music to account. Even if we rebuilt her Windows computer it may pose a DRM problem. I hate DRM. Anyone have any insight? On another note... I am pretty confident that modern Linux distro's can hold up a novice computer user like my mother. Primarily she uses her computer for casual web surfing and email. She is already using Firefox and Thunderbird -- so if I show her the icons she will know what to do. ~Mike > On Thursday 05 July 2007 1:43:44 pm Andre Lehovich wrote: > > --- Mike Perry <mwp(a)sdf.lonestar.org> wrote: > > > * Citrix connectivity -- She currently, and very seldom, uses an > > > ActiveX control in IE to connect to her work. Are there alternatives > > > besides using IE and Wine or running a VM? > > > > $ apt-cache search citrix > > tsclient - front-end for viewing of remote desktops in GNOME > > rdesktop - RDP client for Windows NT/2000 Terminal Server > > > > The web equivalent: > > http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=citrix > > > > VNC also works for connecting between different operating systems. > > > > --Andre > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________________ > >__ _________ Looking for earth-friendly autos? > > Browse Top Cars by "Green Rating" at Yahoo! Autos' Green Center. > > http://autos.yahoo.com/green_center/ > > _______________________________________________ > > Wlug mailing list > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

July 5, 2007

Re: [Wlug] Getting your mom on Linux?IO

by Mike Perry

Good suggestion, but I don't think my mother would understand the concept of dual-booting. She would probably just end up booting into Widnows and not switching -- or I would get phone calls all day saying "I am in Linux again I don't know how I got here". ~Mike > > On Thursday 05 July 2007 12:37:23 pm Jamie Guinan wrote: <snip> > > > > > > This sounds like a good time to upgrade her hard drive. Put a new, > > > larger drive in her computer and install Kubuntu onto that. Try > > > everything out, and if something doesn't work, put the old drive back > > > in until you can figure out a solution. > > > > Or put in the 2nd hard drive and leave the 1st one in there, and set > > it up to dual-boot. She can still boot Windows to do her Citrix > > stuff, and she can use Linux for web surfing (no spyware), and you can > > try migrating iPod/printing/etc. over time. > > > > -Jamie > > > > > I'd answer your specific questions if I knew the answers. > > > > > > -- > > > Rich > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Wlug mailing list > > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wlug mailing list > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

July 5, 2007

Re: [Wlug] Getting your mom on Linux?

by Gregory Avedissian

Mike Perry wrote: > Hi all, > > I visited my parents yesterday and yet again my mother's computer is filled > with spyware. Everytime I go there it is slower and slower and odd things > keep happening (like icons disappearing ... I've witnessed this myself). > > I've been considering trying to get her onto Kubuntu, but I have a few valid > concerns. I'm curious if anyone has any experience with the following under > Linux (any flavor): > <snip> I prefer to run windows in a VM rather than dual boot. Set up samba, so she can save files to the linux partition, make a backup copy of the VM once you have it all set up, and save it in case (when) the win vm gets trashed - then you just have to replace it with the backup. One thing to watch out for - I've noticed on debian that vmware will often peg the cpu at 100%. I have to stop and start the vmware daemon when this happens. I don't know if it's a problem on ubuntu. For the iPod, try gtkpod. I only have minimal experience with it, so I don't know what issues might come up. Go for it! Trying to get it all running can't be any worse than trying to remove malware or doing a windows install. I have three non-technical friends running linux - they're happy with it, and I have less maintenance to do than if they were running windows. If you're going to go with a new hard drive as others suggested, you might consider leaving the old drive in. If you set up the win drive as hdb (and play tricks with grub so windows thinks that it's first), then you have less to do if you decide to pull out the windows drive. Greg

July 5, 2007

Re: [Wlug] Getting your mom on Linux?

by Andre Lehovich

--- Mike Perry <mwp(a)sdf.lonestar.org> wrote: > * Citrix connectivity -- She currently, and very seldom, uses an ActiveX > control in IE to connect to her work. Are there alternatives besides using IE > and Wine or running a VM? $ apt-cache search citrix tsclient - front-end for viewing of remote desktops in GNOME rdesktop - RDP client for Windows NT/2000 Terminal Server The web equivalent: http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=citrix VNC also works for connecting between different operating systems. --Andre ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for earth-friendly autos? Browse Top Cars by "Green Rating" at Yahoo! Autos' Green Center. http://autos.yahoo.com/green_center/

July 5, 2007

Re: [Wlug] Getting your mom on Linux?

by Adam Keck

Hello Mike, <puts on asbestos suit :-> You will have to be careful about maintaining her level of functionality with the iPod and camera in Linux. I agree with Jamie. Put both Kubuntu and Windows on the machine. This will allow you to evaluate whether the change in the applications for media management (iPod and camera) will increase your support time more than the reduction in spyware related time. If Linux is not going to work as well for the iPod and camera, you may be able to reduce the spyware/virus issue by removing the right to install software from her everyday user and by locking down that user in other ways - after a wipe and reinstall of Windows, of course. The elimination of virus work may be significant with Linux, but if that work gets replaced by equal or greater work getting the iPod, camera, and printing to work easily and consistently under Linux, the change to Linux may not be worth it. -Adam On 7/5/07, Jamie Guinan <guinan(a)bluebutton.com> wrote: > > On Thu, 5 Jul 2007, Klein, Richard wrote: > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Mike Perry > > > > > > Hi all, > > > > > > I visited my parents yesterday and yet again my mother's > > > computer is filled with spyware. Everytime I go there it is > > > slower and slower and odd things keep happening (like icons > > > disappearing ... I've witnessed this myself). > > > > > > I've been considering trying to get her onto Kubuntu, but I > > > have a few valid concerns. I'm curious if anyone has any > > > experience with the following under Linux (any flavor): > > > > > > * Citrix connectivity -- She currently, and very seldom, > > > uses an ActiveX control in IE to connect to her work. Are > > > there alternatives besides using IE and Wine or running a VM? > > > > > > * iPod which is currently registered with her Windows box. > > > I'm not too familiar with this, because my mp3 is not an iPod. > > > > > > * Printing - She currently has a very nice Canon i960 which > > > can print photos. > > > I less concerned about drivers and more about functionality. > > > Her current Windows based software can print wallets, 8x10s, > > > etc very easily. I wouldn't want her to lose that ability. > > > > > > I know some of these answers might be a Google away, but I'm > > > curious on your experiences with this and possibility any > > > other gothcya's that I am not thinking about. > > > > > > If I could overcome these hurdles I think she would actually > > > have a much pleasant experience with her home pc. I've slowly > > > been getting her to adopt open source software, but this > > > would be a big jump. I also think it would be much easier for > > > me help remotely too. > > > > This sounds like a good time to upgrade her hard drive. Put a new, > > larger drive in her computer and install Kubuntu onto that. Try > > everything out, and if something doesn't work, put the old drive back in > > until you can figure out a solution. > > Or put in the 2nd hard drive and leave the 1st one in there, and set > it up to dual-boot. She can still boot Windows to do her Citrix > stuff, and she can use Linux for web surfing (no spyware), and you can > try migrating iPod/printing/etc. over time. > > -Jamie > > > I'd answer your specific questions if I knew the answers. > > > > -- > > Rich > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wlug mailing list > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

July 5, 2007

Re: [Wlug] Getting your mom on Linux?

by Jamie Guinan

On Thu, 5 Jul 2007, Klein, Richard wrote: > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Mike Perry > > > > Hi all, > > > > I visited my parents yesterday and yet again my mother's > > computer is filled with spyware. Everytime I go there it is > > slower and slower and odd things keep happening (like icons > > disappearing ... I've witnessed this myself). > > > > I've been considering trying to get her onto Kubuntu, but I > > have a few valid concerns. I'm curious if anyone has any > > experience with the following under Linux (any flavor): > > > > * Citrix connectivity -- She currently, and very seldom, > > uses an ActiveX control in IE to connect to her work. Are > > there alternatives besides using IE and Wine or running a VM? > > > > * iPod which is currently registered with her Windows box. > > I'm not too familiar with this, because my mp3 is not an iPod. > > > > * Printing - She currently has a very nice Canon i960 which > > can print photos. > > I less concerned about drivers and more about functionality. > > Her current Windows based software can print wallets, 8x10s, > > etc very easily. I wouldn't want her to lose that ability. > > > > I know some of these answers might be a Google away, but I'm > > curious on your experiences with this and possibility any > > other gothcya's that I am not thinking about. > > > > If I could overcome these hurdles I think she would actually > > have a much pleasant experience with her home pc. I've slowly > > been getting her to adopt open source software, but this > > would be a big jump. I also think it would be much easier for > > me help remotely too. > > This sounds like a good time to upgrade her hard drive. Put a new, > larger drive in her computer and install Kubuntu onto that. Try > everything out, and if something doesn't work, put the old drive back in > until you can figure out a solution. Or put in the 2nd hard drive and leave the 1st one in there, and set it up to dual-boot. She can still boot Windows to do her Citrix stuff, and she can use Linux for web surfing (no spyware), and you can try migrating iPod/printing/etc. over time. -Jamie > I'd answer your specific questions if I knew the answers. > > -- > Rich > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

July 5, 2007

Re: [Wlug] Getting your mom on Linux?

by Klein, Richard

> -----Original Message----- > From: Mike Perry > > Hi all, > > I visited my parents yesterday and yet again my mother's > computer is filled with spyware. Everytime I go there it is > slower and slower and odd things keep happening (like icons > disappearing ... I've witnessed this myself). > > I've been considering trying to get her onto Kubuntu, but I > have a few valid concerns. I'm curious if anyone has any > experience with the following under Linux (any flavor): > > * Citrix connectivity -- She currently, and very seldom, > uses an ActiveX control in IE to connect to her work. Are > there alternatives besides using IE and Wine or running a VM? > > * iPod which is currently registered with her Windows box. > I'm not too familiar with this, because my mp3 is not an iPod. > > * Printing - She currently has a very nice Canon i960 which > can print photos. > I less concerned about drivers and more about functionality. > Her current Windows based software can print wallets, 8x10s, > etc very easily. I wouldn't want her to lose that ability. > > I know some of these answers might be a Google away, but I'm > curious on your experiences with this and possibility any > other gothcya's that I am not thinking about. > > If I could overcome these hurdles I think she would actually > have a much pleasant experience with her home pc. I've slowly > been getting her to adopt open source software, but this > would be a big jump. I also think it would be much easier for > me help remotely too. This sounds like a good time to upgrade her hard drive. Put a new, larger drive in her computer and install Kubuntu onto that. Try everything out, and if something doesn't work, put the old drive back in until you can figure out a solution. I'd answer your specific questions if I knew the answers. -- Rich

July 5, 2007

Getting your mom on Linux?

by Mike Perry

Hi all, I visited my parents yesterday and yet again my mother's computer is filled with spyware. Everytime I go there it is slower and slower and odd things keep happening (like icons disappearing ... I've witnessed this myself). I've been considering trying to get her onto Kubuntu, but I have a few valid concerns. I'm curious if anyone has any experience with the following under Linux (any flavor): * Citrix connectivity -- She currently, and very seldom, uses an ActiveX control in IE to connect to her work. Are there alternatives besides using IE and Wine or running a VM? * iPod which is currently registered with her Windows box. I'm not too familiar with this, because my mp3 is not an iPod. * Printing - She currently has a very nice Canon i960 which can print photos. I less concerned about drivers and more about functionality. Her current Windows based software can print wallets, 8x10s, etc very easily. I wouldn't want her to lose that ability. I know some of these answers might be a Google away, but I'm curious on your experiences with this and possibility any other gothcya's that I am not thinking about. If I could overcome these hurdles I think she would actually have a much pleasant experience with her home pc. I've slowly been getting her to adopt open source software, but this would be a big jump. I also think it would be much easier for me help remotely too. Cheers, Mike

July 5, 2007

JOB - Implementation Engineer (Boston, MA)

by Tal Cohen

I forgot to provide the company information, here it is: Company Name: SiteSpect, Inc (www.sitespect.com) Position: Implementation Engineer Location: Boston, MA Tal

June 30, 2007

JOB - Implementation Engineer (Boston, MA)

by Tal Cohen

Hi Folks, The company that I work for has just opened a position that some of you may be interested in. The description is listed below. For the right person, this can be a dream job. Feel free to email me with any questions about the position or the company. Here is the position: The Implementation Engineer is a technical product expert who installs, configures and supports SiteSpect's software and appliance products. This is a technical position that requires knowledge of Unix systems management, Web applications, and networking/DNS. Although a technical position, the Implementation Engineer wears many customer-facing hats. Candidates should be able to demonstrate a history of working with both technical (IT) and non-technical (business and marketing) stakeholders to define requirements, plan projects, and ultimately deliver technical solutions. Excellent writing and verbal communication skills are a necessity. Required technical skills include: * Web server configuration, tuning & administration * Linux/Unix administration * shell scripting such as bash, Perl, python or PHP * knowledge of DNS, networking and load balancing Roles also include scheduled on-call duty and occasional travel to assist customers with installation and system maintenance. Candidates should have experience working in a team environment alongside other engineers and product managers. You should be comfortable with the dynamic and fast pace that is typical for an Internet software startup. This is a full time position located in our office in downtown Boston, MA. We are minutes away from Park Street MBTA stop, central to all subway and commuter rail lines. If this sounds like you, then SiteSpect might be your next home. As the company that leads its market space in power and innovation, we guarantee excitement, challenge and an unlimited opportunity to contribute. Tal

June 30, 2007

Unix admin opening

by Frank Sweetser

We now return you to your regularly scheduled boringly relevant job postings. WPI is looking for a unix administrator. Standard complement of skills required, mostly RHEL systems, some HPC clustering administration, and a fair bit of Windows interop stuff. http://www.wpi.edu/cgi-bin/HR/New/showjob.cgi?job_type=AE&job_id=441 Feel free to send a resume either to HR directly, or to me and I'll pass it along through the inside channel. -- Frank Sweetser fs at wpi.edu | For every problem, there is a solution that WPI Senior Network Engineer | is simple, elegant, and wrong. - HL Mencken GPG fingerprint = 6174 1257 129E 0D21 D8D4 E8A3 8E39 29E3 E2E8 8CEC

June 21, 2007

Re: [Wlug] Discussion: Email list policy for recruiters

by Klein, Richard

From: albutler33(a)netscape.net > > How would you define excessive? Excessive: (adj) Quoting the entire digest in a reply. :-) Sorry. I generally don't mind job postings to the list. When I need a job, I'm quite happy to see them! (not that I'd be qualified for any jobs posted to *this* list) What bugged me about the most recent posting was simply the marketing-speak. Just give us the facts and leave the hype at home. -- Rich

June 21, 2007

Re: [Wlug] Recommendation for Project Management freeware?

by Mark Richards

Adam Keck wrote: > Hello Walt, > > I tried Mr. Project several years ago when the project was in its > infancy. It worked pretty well - minus the crashes ;). I decided to > wait for it to stabilize, but forgot about it. Now I can only find > package links - all the "home page" links on various sites are dead. Is > Mr. Project still alive? http://live.gnome.org/Planner

June 21, 2007

Re: [Wlug] Recommendation for Project Management freeware?

by Adam Keck

Hello Walt, I tried Mr. Project several years ago when the project was in its infancy. It worked pretty well - minus the crashes ;). I decided to wait for it to stabilize, but forgot about it. Now I can only find package links - all the "home page" links on various sites are dead. Is Mr. Project still alive? -Adam On 6/20/07, Walt Sawyer <wsawyer(a)norfolk-county.com> wrote: > > Have you tried MrProject<http://rpmfind.net//linux/RPM/PLD/dists/ra/PLD/i686/PLD/RPMS/mrproject-0.5.…>? > I've used it for my projects. I think it works ok. > Walt > > > Stephen Daukas wrote: > > Morning all! > > Before I download a few bazillian freeware apps to look at, I was > wondering if anyone has experience with and a recommendation for a freeware > alternative to MS Project? > > I would like both Gantt and PERT with critical path and milestones... > This is primarily for keeping track of the flow and status of a bunch of > projects (where are we, what comes next, what is holding up the works, > etc.), and for tasks within a project. Drill down from a multiple project > view (PERT) to a single project, to tasks with a project (Gantt) would be > very cool, especially given senior management is visually oriented. ;-) > > Alternatives to "project management" apps based on the above are welcome > (I'm not sure where the process automation/workflow tools business is these > days, but if you have something you like, let me know...). Being able to > generate web-based content would be brilliant! Then I could say "go to this > URL and click away!" > > Thanks in advance! > > Steve > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug@mail.wlug.orghttp://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > >

June 20, 2007

Re: [Wlug] Recommendation for Project Management freeware?

by Mark Richards

Walt Sawyer wrote: > Have you tried MrProject > <http://rpmfind.net//linux/RPM/PLD/dists/ra/PLD/i686/PLD/RPMS/mrproject-0.5.…>? > I've used it for my projects. I think it works ok. > Walt MrProject is defunct (I've been following this thread as we have a similar need). It's apparently been taken up here: http://developer.imendio.com/projects/planner/ /m

June 20, 2007

Re: [Wlug] Recommendation for Project Management freeware?

by Walt Sawyer

Have you tried MrProject <http://rpmfind.net//linux/RPM/PLD/dists/ra/PLD/i686/PLD/RPMS/mrproject-0.5.…>? I've used it for my projects. I think it works ok. Walt Stephen Daukas wrote: > Morning all! > > Before I download a few bazillian freeware apps to look at, I was > wondering if anyone has experience with and a recommendation for a > freeware alternative to MS Project? > > I would like both Gantt and PERT with critical path and milestones... > This is primarily for keeping track of the flow and status of a bunch > of projects (where are we, what comes next, what is holding up the > works, etc.), and for tasks within a project. Drill down from a > multiple project view (PERT) to a single project, to tasks with a > project (Gantt) would be very cool, especially given senior management > is visually oriented. ;-) > > Alternatives to "project management" apps based on the above are > welcome (I'm not sure where the process automation/workflow tools > business is these days, but if you have something you like, let me > know...). Being able to generate web-based content would be > brilliant! Then I could say "go to this URL and click away!" > > Thanks in advance! > > Steve > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

June 20, 2007

Re: [Wlug] Recommendation for Project Management freeware?

by Barış Hasdemir

On Wed, 2007-06-20 at 11:31 -0400, Stephen Daukas wrote: > > This isn't really the same type of application I'm looking for - this > is more like a to-do app... > > I'm looking for a tool that will generate project related info (the > standard PERT, critical path, Gantt, etc.) based on some data. > Have you tried "Planner"? I haven't not used it, yet. But I think it may worth having a look at. http://live.gnome.org/Planner baris

June 20, 2007

Re: [Wlug] Recommendation for Project Management freeware?

by Matthew Kwiatkowski

> Before I download a few bazillian freeware apps to look at, I was > wondering > if anyone has experience with and a recommendation for a freeware > alternative to MS Project? I think a did download a few bazillion apps trying to find something like this and I ended up with dot project which I've been using recently. It has a lot of options and it isn't always intuitive at first how to get it to do what you want, but it does everything that I need it to and seems to work well doing gantt charts and task lists between different projects. Also has all sorts of other options that I haven't used so all I can vouch for is the task planning and time tracking but it sounds like it might be what you're looking for. http://www.dotproject.net > I would like both Gantt and PERT with critical path and milestones... > This > is primarily for keeping track of the flow and status of a bunch of > projects > (where are we, what comes next, what is holding up the works, etc.), and > for > tasks within a project. Drill down from a multiple project view (PERT) to > a > single project, to tasks with a project (Gantt) would be very cool, > especially given senior management is visually oriented. ;-) > > Alternatives to "project management" apps based on the above are welcome > (I'm not sure where the process automation/workflow tools business is > these > days, but if you have something you like, let me know...). Being able to > generate web-based content would be brilliant! Then I could say "go to > this > URL and click away!"

June 20, 2007

Re: [Wlug] Recommendation for Project Management freeware?

by Joe Riopel

This might be worth a look http://trac.edgewall.org/

June 20, 2007

Re: [Wlug] Recommendation for Project Management freeware?

by Stephen Daukas

This isn't really the same type of application I'm looking for - this is more like a to-do app... I'm looking for a tool that will generate project related info (the standard PERT, critical path, Gantt, etc.) based on some data. Thanks for the idea of a wiki though - I may be able to use that for something else! Steve On 6/20/07, Andre Lehovich <andrel(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > --- Stephen Daukas <scd(a)daukas.com> wrote: > > Being able to generate web-based content would be brilliant! > > Then I could say "go to this URL and click away!" > > Have you considered a wiki? It won't autoproduce the fancy PERT and Gantt > charts (though you can ASCII art them!), but otherwise works well for > planning. > I use Tomboy [1] for solo projects. > > [1] http://www.gnome.org/projects/tomboy/ > > --Andre > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story. > Play Sims Stories at Yahoo! Games. > http://sims.yahoo.com/ > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

June 20, 2007

Re: [Wlug] Recommendation for Project Management freeware?

by Andre Lehovich

--- Stephen Daukas <scd(a)daukas.com> wrote: > Being able to generate web-based content would be brilliant! > Then I could say "go to this URL and click away!" Have you considered a wiki? It won't autoproduce the fancy PERT and Gantt charts (though you can ASCII art them!), but otherwise works well for planning. I use Tomboy [1] for solo projects. [1] http://www.gnome.org/projects/tomboy/ --Andre ____________________________________________________________________________________ Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story. Play Sims Stories at Yahoo! Games. http://sims.yahoo.com/

June 20, 2007

Recommendation for Project Management freeware?

by Stephen Daukas

Morning all! Before I download a few bazillian freeware apps to look at, I was wondering if anyone has experience with and a recommendation for a freeware alternative to MS Project? I would like both Gantt and PERT with critical path and milestones... This is primarily for keeping track of the flow and status of a bunch of projects (where are we, what comes next, what is holding up the works, etc.), and for tasks within a project. Drill down from a multiple project view (PERT) to a single project, to tasks with a project (Gantt) would be very cool, especially given senior management is visually oriented. ;-) Alternatives to "project management" apps based on the above are welcome (I'm not sure where the process automation/workflow tools business is these days, but if you have something you like, let me know...). Being able to generate web-based content would be brilliant! Then I could say "go to this URL and click away!" Thanks in advance! Steve

June 20, 2007

Re: [Wlug] Ubuntu switch user & screen lock

by Kristian Hermansen

On 6/18/07, Bill Mills-Curran <bill(a)mills-curran.net> wrote: > I've recently used the "switch user" option to log in without logging > my son out. However, after logging out of my account, the screen is > locked for my son, and his login password will not unlock the screen. > > Anyone else seen this? I think I have seen this, but only if you are utilizing "Desktop Effects" and a closed-source binary driver. Is this the case? -- Kristian Hermansen

June 20, 2007

Re: [Wlug] Discussion: Email list policy for recruiters

by albutler33＠netscape.net

Re: Discussion: Email list policy for recruiters problem Andy, b) Any recruiter who abuses the list by failing to ask permission prior to posting, or by an excessive volume of emails, will be asked to stop (including removal from the membership list if necessary). How would you define excessive? Al Butler -----Original Message----- From: wlug-request(a)mail.wlug.org To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org Sent: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 12:19 am Subject: Wlug Digest, Vol 44, Issue 10 Send Wlug mailing list submissions to wlug(a)mail.wlug.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to wlug-request(a)mail.wlug.org You can reach the person managing the list at wlug-owner(a)mail.wlug.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Wlug digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: JOB - Senior Operations Engineer - Boston, MA (Tal Cohen) 2. Discussion: Email list policy for recruiters (Andy Stewart) 3. Re: Discussion: Email list policy for recruiters (Andy Stewart) 4. Re: Discussion: Email list policy for recruiters (Chuck Anderson) 5. Re: JOB - Senior Operations Engineer - Boston, MA (Mark Richards) 6. Re: Discussion: Email list policy for recruiters (Andy Stewart) 7. Re: Discussion: Email list policy for recruiters (Mike Leo) 8. Re: Discussion: Email list policy for recruiters (Andy Stewart) 9. Re: JOB - Senior Operations Engineer - Boston, MA (Keith Wright) Attached Message From: Tal Cohen <wlug(a)cohen123.com> To: 'Jamie Guinan' <guinan(a)bluebutton.com>; 'Worcester Linux Users Group' <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> Subject: Re: [Wlug] JOB - Senior Operations Engineer - Boston, MA Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 19:12:46 -0400 So, here is a question: What are the guidelines for posting a relevant job opening to this group? My reason for asking is because the company that I work for is about to open a few reqs, and I want to get the bounty :) Seriously (although I do want the bounty), the positions will be appropriate for the group. Thanks, Tal -----Original Message----- From: wlug-bounces(a)mail.wlug.org [mailto:wlug-bounces@mail.wlug.org] On Behalf Of Jamie Guinan Sent: Monday, June 18, 2007 4:59 PM To: Worcester Linux Users Group Subject: Re: [Wlug] JOB - Senior Operations Engineer - Boston, MA > The information transmitted in this email is intended only for the person(s= > ) or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or pr= > ivileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use o= > f, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or= > entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received = > this email in error, please contact the sender and permanently delete the e= > mail from any computer. Delete the email... from *any* computer? "Pardon me Fred, I need to borrow your PC for a few minutes..." -Jamie _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug Attached Message From: Andy Stewart <andystewart(a)comcast.net> To: Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> Subject: [Wlug] Discussion: Email list policy for recruiters Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 20:00:53 -0400 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 HI gang, Tal Cohen wrote: > So, here is a question: What are the guidelines for > posting a relevant job > opening to this group? This is a very good question! In general, I personally frown upon random recruiters posting job openings on the WLUG mailing list, especially when they don't have the courtesy of asking permission. Having the list as writable only by list members helps to keep this type of email traffic minimized. However, there have been a couple of recruiters in the past who asked permission prior to posting, which I did grant (John Spencer is one such individual). I specifically asked John to preface his subject with "JOB" or "JOBS" so people could filter accordingly, and he has done what was asked. Also, John's posts have been very Linux relevant IMHO. In the interest of fair disclosure, I've worked with John in the past and my employer has hired people represented by him. I have also had recruiters send the job posting to me, asking me to forward it to the list. If relevant, I forward the post, but sometimes I have deleted them if I thought they were not relevant. Having said all of that, I recognize that this mailing list belongs to all of us and not just to me. At any time, we as a group can choose to change our policy. Admittedly, even if every recruiter who posted asked permission and used the "JOB" subject, the volume of email could become more than we'd like. To date, this has not happened. I have not yet heard anybody complain about a group member posting a relevant job opening for their employer. In today's particular case, I suspect that if the recruiter were informed of our policy, he would be happy to comply. Although it is our email list, how we react on the list is a reflection of the group as a whole. In summary, I propose the following for your consideration: a) Recruiters who wish to post to the WLUG mailing list need to request permission to do so, and if granted, preface the subject with "JOB" so people can filter accordingly. As acting president, I presume that the permission would be granted by me. b) Any recruiter who abuses the list by failing to ask permission prior to posting, or by an excessive volume of emails, will be asked to stop (including removal from the membership list if necessary). c) Group members may post relevant job openings as long as they preface the subject with "JOB". I invite constructive discussion on the proposal, and counter proposals if appropriate. Thanks, Andy - -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group (http://www.wlug.org) Chelmsford Linux Meetup Group (http://linux.meetup.com/393) Amateur Radio: KB1OIQ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFGdxy1Hl0iXDssISsRAuEzAJ9BjH5OEKb2KczS2uST4Y1F4p0VSACcDbNf SShrPI1odk0K9WH68GLiSBA= =jOVI -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- Attached Message From: Andy Stewart <andystewart(a)comcast.net> To: Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> Subject: Re: [Wlug] Discussion: Email list policy for recruiters Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 20:23:39 -0400 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Andy Stewart wrote: > In summary, I propose the following for your consideration: > > a) Recruiters who wish to post to the WLUG mailing list need to request > permission to do so, and if granted, preface the subject with "JOB" so > people can filter accordingly. As acting president, I presume that the > permission would be granted by me. I just thought of something. When a person who is not a list member attempts to post a message to the group, the email is sent to the list moderator for approval. This is currently Frank Sweetser (and I think Chuck Anderson, also). In the event that a recruiter attempts to post without first becoming a group member, I have full trust in the list moderator's judgment to implement our group policy. Later, Andy - -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group (http://www.wlug.org) Chelmsford Linux Meetup Group (http://linux.meetup.com/393) Amateur Radio: KB1OIQ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFGdyILHl0iXDssISsRAgNmAJsGz/nTV+HCanWwh3V/ZZQ38r7M/QCfZXtD GuE/sWwnwCdq4pIDU7/k4LQ= =UUDG -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- Attached Message From: Chuck Anderson <cra(a)WPI.EDU> To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org Subject: Re: [Wlug] Discussion: Email list policy for recruiters Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 20:25:44 -0400 On Mon, Jun 18, 2007 at 08:23:39PM -0400, Andy Stewart wrote: > In the event that a recruiter attempts to post without first becoming a > group member, I have full trust in the list moderator's judgment to > implement our group policy. The problem in this case was that the user subscribed to the list, and then immediately sent the JOB posting. So he was already a "group member". Attached Message From: Mark Richards <mark.richards(a)massmicro.com> To: Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> Subject: Re: [Wlug] JOB - Senior Operations Engineer - Boston, MA Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 20:13:04 -0400 Tal Cohen wrote:? > So, here is a question: What are the guidelines for posting a relevant job? > opening to this group? My guess is that policy need not be set if participants would exercise basic courtesy: ask first.? ? You did that. Good show.? ? /m? ? ? Attached Message From: Andy Stewart <andystewart(a)comcast.net> To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org Subject: Re: [Wlug] Discussion: Email list policy for recruiters Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 20:42:22 -0400 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Chuck Anderson wrote: > On Mon, Jun 18, 2007 at 08:23:39PM -0400, Andy Stewart wrote: >> In the event that a recruiter attempts to post without first becoming a >> group member, I have full trust in the list moderator's judgment to >> implement our group policy. > > The problem in this case was that the user subscribed to the list, and > then immediately sent the JOB posting. So he was already a "group > member". Yes, and I have a couple of thoughts on that. 1) I believe this is the first time a recruiter has done this, but I could be wrong. 2) We as a group have every right to determine what is acceptable email on the list. In my opinion, if any group member abuses the list, they should be first asked to stop and then have their privileges revoked if they continue to abuse the list. The post did mention Linux, it did have "JOB" in the subject, however, the recruiter did not ask permission to use our list. Is that sufficient cause for immediate revocation from the list? Perhaps so, perhaps not - you tell me. I don't recall anybody asking this particular recruiter to stop doing what he did. We should revoke with care. If done harshly, it could damage the group reputation. 3) I opened the topic for discussion because I want to be sure that folks who are normally less vocal on the group mailing list have a chance to air their opinions. 4) The end result of these discussions should be posted on the website as a group policy so guests to our mailing list will understand what we expect of them. Thanks, Andy - -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group (http://www.wlug.org) Chelmsford Linux Meetup Group (http://linux.meetup.com/393) Amateur Radio: KB1OIQ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFGdyZuHl0iXDssISsRAqF1AJwKnQMShnVbgX0A1x5ebbL3pUcESACfTn0H pQOtgCZU7i/Zbd/muSg7r20= =2oDQ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- Attached Message From: Mike Leo <mleo963(a)yahoo.com> To: Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> Subject: Re: [Wlug] Discussion: Email list policy for recruiters Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 17:43:58 -0700 (PDT) Does a job posting really warrant this much discussion? I know I haven't participated much lately, but the emails discussing the spam job posting have been more spam-like than the original possible spam posting. spamspamspamspamspamspamspameggsspam. Anyway, I also posted a job posting earlier today.? Hope I did not break the rules. Mike ----- Original Message ---- From: Chuck Anderson <cra(a)WPI.EDU> To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org Sent: Monday, June 18, 2007 8:25:44 PM Subject: Re: [Wlug] Discussion: Email list policy for recruiters On Mon, Jun 18, 2007 at 08:23:39PM -0400, Andy Stewart wrote: > In the event that a recruiter attempts to post without first becoming a > group member, I have full trust in the list moderator's judgment to > implement our group policy. The problem in this case was that the user subscribed to the list, and then immediately sent the JOB posting.??So he was already a "group member". _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug Attached Message From: Andy Stewart <andystewart(a)comcast.net> To: Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> Subject: Re: [Wlug] Discussion: Email list policy for recruiters Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 20:51:44 -0400 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Mike Leo wrote: > Does a job posting really warrant this much discussion? Hi Mike, Normally, no, but this subject has come up before, and I'd like to settle it. > > I know I haven't participated much lately, but the emails discussing the > spam job posting have been more spam-like than the original possible > spam posting. > > spamspamspamspamspamspamspameggsspam. > > Anyway, I also posted a job posting earlier today. Hope I did not break > the rules. I had no problem with your post. Later, Andy - -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group (http://www.wlug.org) Chelmsford Linux Meetup Group (http://linux.meetup.com/393) Amateur Radio: KB1OIQ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFGdyigHl0iXDssISsRAjjaAJ4hUy5DyPm+W+KMaIlIPZGWFgCWKQCeKB0N jLDlWHyrQIYtUo2Cz8+qMn8= =WdEA -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- Attached Message From: Keith Wright <kwright(a)keithdiane.us> To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org Subject: Re: [Wlug] JOB - Senior Operations Engineer - Boston, MA Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 00:12:08 -0400 > From: "Tal Cohen" <wlug(a)cohen123.com> > > What are the guidelines for posting > a relevant job opening to this group? Don't be a lamer. I am tempted to leave it there. True Lamers will never know who they are, but here are some guides to How To Be A Lamer. 1. Never come to a meeting. 2. Subscribe to the list for the sole purpose of posting your advertisement. 3. Fail the Turing Test by using cliches to indicate that your message was auto-generated by a computer or marketing manager. 4. Do not write any introductory remarks that might show your message is intended for the WLUG list, rather than every list in known space. There are, of course, many other possible lame actions. Note that I have no actual power over any list messages other than my own, and so my opinions are worthless except in so far as others agree with them. -- Keith _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug ________________________________________________________________________ Check Out the new free AIM(R) Mail -- 2 GB of storage and industry-leading spam and email virus protection.

June 19, 2007

Re: [Wlug] Discussion: Email list policy for recruiters

by Jamie Guinan

My $0.02... I think the mailing list should be like the meetings - if someone at a meeting says "hey, $COMPANY has this opening doing Linux sysadmin/programming/etc.", great. But if some random recruiter walks into the room without any introductions and starts blabbing about jobs and how great his company is, I imagine they'd be told where to go. In any case (and to kick a dead horse from a few months ago), I think all job postings should be open to satire. If you're a recruiter and you post something that looks like an obvious death march[1], be prepared to have the euphemistic recruiter-speak appropriatly analyzed and made fun of. >:) -Jamie [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_march_(software_development)

June 19, 2007

Re: [Wlug] Discussion: Email list policy for recruiters

by Brian Waite

On Tuesday 19 June 2007, Bill Mills-Curran wrote: > On Mon, Jun 18, 2007 at 08:42:22PM -0400, Andy Stewart wrote: > <snip> > > > 3) I opened the topic for discussion because I want to be sure that > > folks who are normally less vocal on the group mailing list have a > > chance to air their opinions. > > > > 4) The end result of these discussions should be posted on the website > > as a group policy so guests to our mailing list will understand what we > > expect of them. > > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug A thought, the internet is a self righting economy. I am not saying blast people with spambots, but I think it is perfectly fair for everyone not interested in the jobs posted politely respond with a poilte "Not interested" email. A person who subscribes to this list for the sole purpose of send a job req, thinks that it is not rude, well it must not be rude to reply. A policy that keeps the people who want to go good and right on the right side of the list is a good thing. Personally, I don't mind job posting here, as long as they don't flood the list. Just as people on the phone in line at the grocery store don't think it is rude to be yelling in my ear, should not think it rude when I talk to the person behind them in the line. I don't think a 'No thanks' reply from everyone who was interrupted on this list is rude. Just my grumpy overtired 2 cents Thanks Brian

June 19, 2007

Re: [Wlug] Discussion: Email list policy for recruiters

by Michelle Vadeboncoeur

On Tue, 19 Jun 2007, Frank Sweetser wrote: FS>the noise of recruiters. If this comes up much more, I 'd vote for FS>either relegating job postings to a dedicated page on the web site, or FS>just banning them alltogether, depending on how the rest of the group FS>feels. There is another similar option: ban all job postings to the wlug list, but make a separate wlug-jobs jobs list where it is appropriate to post job openings. If someone is indeed interested in looking at job postings, they can subscribe to the separate list. As for the job posting that started this thread, I have to mention that proofreading (not relying on spellcheck) should be suggested as another skill that the recruiter needs: "Born and bread in Baltimore"

June 19, 2007

Re: [Wlug] Discussion: Email list policy for recruiters

by Clint Moyer

I don't feel there's a need to ban job postings altogether. Andy's method seems more than reasonable, though I'd suggest that ANY such posting get the go-ahead from Andy or Frank regardless of the poster's tenure here. I can't think of a reason why such a requirement would be objectionable to anyone. Clint ---- Frank Sweetser <fs(a)WPI.EDU> wrote: ============= My thoughts on the whole incident revolve around the fact that more than anything else, WLUG - including the mailing list - is a community explicitly defined as a place where linux enthusiasts can get together. The whole topic of job postings is already a little bit of a grey area, but so far they'd all been either posted directly by people in WLUG, or sent to Andy and relayed to the list. This has worked at least well enough that nobody complained. In this case, however, things went differently. The user quite obviously went through the trouble of signing up for the mailing list with the sole purpose of being able to send an email that was part job posting and part recruiter advertisement. This, in my mind (and quite a few others, based on the responses) crossed over the line. There are plenty of well established sites online for employers and employees to look for each other, and I doubt that anyone in this group would have any trouble finding them. So far it hasn't been an issue, but I would hate to see the signal in the mailing list get diluted with the noise of recruiters. If this comes up much more, I 'd vote for either relegating job postings to a dedicated page on the web site, or just banning them alltogether, depending on how the rest of the group feels. Your humble list moderator, Frank _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

June 19, 2007

Re: [Wlug] JOB - Senior Operations Engineer - Boston, MA

by Aaron Haviland

Keith Wright wrote, on Jun 19, 2007 at 00:12 EDT: > I am tempted to leave it there. True Lamers > will never know who they are, but here are > some guides to How To Be A Lamer. > > 1. Never come to a meeting. > 2. Subscribe to the list for the sole > purpose of posting your advertisement. > 3. Fail the Turing Test by using cliches > to indicate that your message was > auto-generated by a computer or marketing > manager. > 4. Do not write any introductory remarks > that might show your message is intended > for the WLUG list, rather than every list > in known space. Gee, Keith, I hope this isn't an OR list. I'm never able to make a meeting as I work evenings! -- Aaron Haviland 34 Wayne Ave, Dudley, MA home: [508] 943 - 7974

June 19, 2007

Re: [Wlug] Discussion: Email list policy for recruiters

by Frank Sweetser

My thoughts on the whole incident revolve around the fact that more than anything else, WLUG - including the mailing list - is a community explicitly defined as a place where linux enthusiasts can get together. The whole topic of job postings is already a little bit of a grey area, but so far they'd all been either posted directly by people in WLUG, or sent to Andy and relayed to the list. This has worked at least well enough that nobody complained. In this case, however, things went differently. The user quite obviously went through the trouble of signing up for the mailing list with the sole purpose of being able to send an email that was part job posting and part recruiter advertisement. This, in my mind (and quite a few others, based on the responses) crossed over the line. There are plenty of well established sites online for employers and employees to look for each other, and I doubt that anyone in this group would have any trouble finding them. So far it hasn't been an issue, but I would hate to see the signal in the mailing list get diluted with the noise of recruiters. If this comes up much more, I 'd vote for either relegating job postings to a dedicated page on the web site, or just banning them alltogether, depending on how the rest of the group feels. Your humble list moderator, Frank

June 19, 2007

Re: [Wlug] Discussion: Email list policy for recruiters

by Bill Mills-Curran

On Mon, Jun 18, 2007 at 08:42:22PM -0400, Andy Stewart wrote: <snip> > 3) I opened the topic for discussion because I want to be sure that > folks who are normally less vocal on the group mailing list have a > chance to air their opinions. > > 4) The end result of these discussions should be posted on the website > as a group policy so guests to our mailing list will understand what we > expect of them. > > Thanks, > > Andy <snip> It seems to me that much of the negative response was due to the type of job being offered. We all dislike the massive advertising on the web (even though it helps support much of the free access we enjoy), so members of the responded to that (I believe). Part the cost of having an open, free-flowing discussion list is being open to occasional content that we dislike. As long as it's only occasional, I say we live with it. If it becomes excessive, then we deal with it. I'm not even sure there was really much wrong with the posting, other than the strong marketing flavor of the posting ("we're great; work for us"). I don't think the posting was worth a flame, much less new posting rules. Bill

June 19, 2007

Re: [Wlug] JOB - Senior Operations Engineer - Boston, MA

by Keith Wright

> From: "Tal Cohen" <wlug(a)cohen123.com> > > What are the guidelines for posting > a relevant job opening to this group? Don't be a lamer. I am tempted to leave it there. True Lamers will never know who they are, but here are some guides to How To Be A Lamer. 1. Never come to a meeting. 2. Subscribe to the list for the sole purpose of posting your advertisement. 3. Fail the Turing Test by using cliches to indicate that your message was auto-generated by a computer or marketing manager. 4. Do not write any introductory remarks that might show your message is intended for the WLUG list, rather than every list in known space. There are, of course, many other possible lame actions. Note that I have no actual power over any list messages other than my own, and so my opinions are worthless except in so far as others agree with them. -- Keith

June 19, 2007

Re: [Wlug] Discussion: Email list policy for recruiters

by Andy Stewart

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Mike Leo wrote: > Does a job posting really warrant this much discussion? Hi Mike, Normally, no, but this subject has come up before, and I'd like to settle it. > > I know I haven't participated much lately, but the emails discussing the > spam job posting have been more spam-like than the original possible > spam posting. > > spamspamspamspamspamspamspameggsspam. > > Anyway, I also posted a job posting earlier today. Hope I did not break > the rules. I had no problem with your post. Later, Andy - -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group (http://www.wlug.org) Chelmsford Linux Meetup Group (http://linux.meetup.com/393) Amateur Radio: KB1OIQ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFGdyigHl0iXDssISsRAjjaAJ4hUy5DyPm+W+KMaIlIPZGWFgCWKQCeKB0N jLDlWHyrQIYtUo2Cz8+qMn8= =WdEA -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

June 19, 2007

Re: [Wlug] Discussion: Email list policy for recruiters

by Mike Leo

Does a job posting really warrant this much discussion? I know I haven't participated much lately, but the emails discussing the spam job posting have been more spam-like than the original possible spam posting. spamspamspamspamspamspamspameggsspam. Anyway, I also posted a job posting earlier today. Hope I did not break the rules. Mike ----- Original Message ---- From: Chuck Anderson <cra(a)WPI.EDU> To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org Sent: Monday, June 18, 2007 8:25:44 PM Subject: Re: [Wlug] Discussion: Email list policy for recruiters On Mon, Jun 18, 2007 at 08:23:39PM -0400, Andy Stewart wrote: > In the event that a recruiter attempts to post without first becoming a > group member, I have full trust in the list moderator's judgment to > implement our group policy. The problem in this case was that the user subscribed to the list, and then immediately sent the JOB posting. So he was already a "group member". _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

June 19, 2007

Re: [Wlug] Discussion: Email list policy for recruiters

by Andy Stewart

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Chuck Anderson wrote: > On Mon, Jun 18, 2007 at 08:23:39PM -0400, Andy Stewart wrote: >> In the event that a recruiter attempts to post without first becoming a >> group member, I have full trust in the list moderator's judgment to >> implement our group policy. > > The problem in this case was that the user subscribed to the list, and > then immediately sent the JOB posting. So he was already a "group > member". Yes, and I have a couple of thoughts on that. 1) I believe this is the first time a recruiter has done this, but I could be wrong. 2) We as a group have every right to determine what is acceptable email on the list. In my opinion, if any group member abuses the list, they should be first asked to stop and then have their privileges revoked if they continue to abuse the list. The post did mention Linux, it did have "JOB" in the subject, however, the recruiter did not ask permission to use our list. Is that sufficient cause for immediate revocation from the list? Perhaps so, perhaps not - you tell me. I don't recall anybody asking this particular recruiter to stop doing what he did. We should revoke with care. If done harshly, it could damage the group reputation. 3) I opened the topic for discussion because I want to be sure that folks who are normally less vocal on the group mailing list have a chance to air their opinions. 4) The end result of these discussions should be posted on the website as a group policy so guests to our mailing list will understand what we expect of them. Thanks, Andy - -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group (http://www.wlug.org) Chelmsford Linux Meetup Group (http://linux.meetup.com/393) Amateur Radio: KB1OIQ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFGdyZuHl0iXDssISsRAqF1AJwKnQMShnVbgX0A1x5ebbL3pUcESACfTn0H pQOtgCZU7i/Zbd/muSg7r20= =2oDQ -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

June 19, 2007

Re: [Wlug] Discussion: Email list policy for recruiters

by Chuck Anderson

On Mon, Jun 18, 2007 at 08:23:39PM -0400, Andy Stewart wrote: > In the event that a recruiter attempts to post without first becoming a > group member, I have full trust in the list moderator's judgment to > implement our group policy. The problem in this case was that the user subscribed to the list, and then immediately sent the JOB posting. So he was already a "group member".

June 19, 2007

Re: [Wlug] Discussion: Email list policy for recruiters

by Andy Stewart

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Andy Stewart wrote: > In summary, I propose the following for your consideration: > > a) Recruiters who wish to post to the WLUG mailing list need to request > permission to do so, and if granted, preface the subject with "JOB" so > people can filter accordingly. As acting president, I presume that the > permission would be granted by me. I just thought of something. When a person who is not a list member attempts to post a message to the group, the email is sent to the list moderator for approval. This is currently Frank Sweetser (and I think Chuck Anderson, also). In the event that a recruiter attempts to post without first becoming a group member, I have full trust in the list moderator's judgment to implement our group policy. Later, Andy - -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group (http://www.wlug.org) Chelmsford Linux Meetup Group (http://linux.meetup.com/393) Amateur Radio: KB1OIQ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFGdyILHl0iXDssISsRAgNmAJsGz/nTV+HCanWwh3V/ZZQ38r7M/QCfZXtD GuE/sWwnwCdq4pIDU7/k4LQ= =UUDG -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

June 19, 2007

Re: [Wlug] JOB - Senior Operations Engineer - Boston, MA

by Mark Richards

Tal Cohen wrote: > So, here is a question: What are the guidelines for posting a relevant job > opening to this group? My guess is that policy need not be set if participants would exercise basic courtesy: ask first. You did that. Good show. /m

June 19, 2007

Discussion: Email list policy for recruiters

by Andy Stewart

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 HI gang, Tal Cohen wrote: > So, here is a question: What are the guidelines for > posting a relevant job > opening to this group? This is a very good question! In general, I personally frown upon random recruiters posting job openings on the WLUG mailing list, especially when they don't have the courtesy of asking permission. Having the list as writable only by list members helps to keep this type of email traffic minimized. However, there have been a couple of recruiters in the past who asked permission prior to posting, which I did grant (John Spencer is one such individual). I specifically asked John to preface his subject with "JOB" or "JOBS" so people could filter accordingly, and he has done what was asked. Also, John's posts have been very Linux relevant IMHO. In the interest of fair disclosure, I've worked with John in the past and my employer has hired people represented by him. I have also had recruiters send the job posting to me, asking me to forward it to the list. If relevant, I forward the post, but sometimes I have deleted them if I thought they were not relevant. Having said all of that, I recognize that this mailing list belongs to all of us and not just to me. At any time, we as a group can choose to change our policy. Admittedly, even if every recruiter who posted asked permission and used the "JOB" subject, the volume of email could become more than we'd like. To date, this has not happened. I have not yet heard anybody complain about a group member posting a relevant job opening for their employer. In today's particular case, I suspect that if the recruiter were informed of our policy, he would be happy to comply. Although it is our email list, how we react on the list is a reflection of the group as a whole. In summary, I propose the following for your consideration: a) Recruiters who wish to post to the WLUG mailing list need to request permission to do so, and if granted, preface the subject with "JOB" so people can filter accordingly. As acting president, I presume that the permission would be granted by me. b) Any recruiter who abuses the list by failing to ask permission prior to posting, or by an excessive volume of emails, will be asked to stop (including removal from the membership list if necessary). c) Group members may post relevant job openings as long as they preface the subject with "JOB". I invite constructive discussion on the proposal, and counter proposals if appropriate. Thanks, Andy - -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group (http://www.wlug.org) Chelmsford Linux Meetup Group (http://linux.meetup.com/393) Amateur Radio: KB1OIQ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFGdxy1Hl0iXDssISsRAuEzAJ9BjH5OEKb2KczS2uST4Y1F4p0VSACcDbNf SShrPI1odk0K9WH68GLiSBA= =jOVI -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

June 19, 2007

Re: [Wlug] JOB - Senior Operations Engineer - Boston, MA

by Tal Cohen

So, here is a question: What are the guidelines for posting a relevant job opening to this group? My reason for asking is because the company that I work for is about to open a few reqs, and I want to get the bounty :) Seriously (although I do want the bounty), the positions will be appropriate for the group. Thanks, Tal -----Original Message----- From: wlug-bounces(a)mail.wlug.org [mailto:wlug-bounces@mail.wlug.org] On Behalf Of Jamie Guinan Sent: Monday, June 18, 2007 4:59 PM To: Worcester Linux Users Group Subject: Re: [Wlug] JOB - Senior Operations Engineer - Boston, MA > The information transmitted in this email is intended only for the person(s= > ) or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or pr= > ivileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use o= > f, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or= > entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received = > this email in error, please contact the sender and permanently delete the e= > mail from any computer. Delete the email... from *any* computer? "Pardon me Fred, I need to borrow your PC for a few minutes..." -Jamie _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

June 18, 2007

Re: [Wlug] JOB - Senior Operations Engineer - Boston, MA

by Jamie Guinan

> The information transmitted in this email is intended only for the person(s= > ) or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or pr= > ivileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use o= > f, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or= > entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received = > this email in error, please contact the sender and permanently delete the e= > mail from any computer. Delete the email... from *any* computer? "Pardon me Fred, I need to borrow your PC for a few minutes..." -Jamie

June 18, 2007

Re: [Wlug] JOB - Senior Operations Engineer - Boston, MA

by Frank Sweetser

Ross Hecox wrote: > We reach more people than Google. > Thought that would get your attention. This particular account is no longer a member of the mailing list. -- Frank Sweetser fs at wpi.edu | For every problem, there is a solution that WPI Senior Network Engineer | is simple, elegant, and wrong. - HL Mencken GPG fingerprint = 6174 1257 129E 0D21 D8D4 E8A3 8E39 29E3 E2E8 8CEC

June 18, 2007

Re: [Wlug] JOB - Senior Operations Engineer - Boston, MA

by Keith Wright

> From: Ross Hecox <rhecox(a)advertising.com> > > We reach more people than Google. > Thought that would get your attention. It got my attentions for the 250 milliseconds needed to decide that a moron wrote it. Are you sure you wanted my attention? > Advertising.com is one of the most successful > companies in online advertising (1) Spam must die. (2) Advertising is a tape-worm in the belly of the beast. > and we're looking for someone just like you Why do advertisers keep talking about people just like me? I think of myself as a unique individual. If you can't cope with that, you must be looking for someone else. > The information transmitted in this email is intended > only for the person(s) or entity to which it is > addressed and may contain confidential and/or > privileged material. Any review, retransmission, > dissemination or other use of, or taking of any > action in reliance upon, this information by persons > or entities other than the intended recipient is > prohibited. If you received this email in error, > please contact the sender and permanently delete the > email from any computer. I am but one individual, but in accordance with your expressed wishes, I will do what I can to ensure that this confidential advertisement is seen by as few people as possible and that they do not take any action upon it. -- Keith

June 18, 2007

Re: [Wlug] JOB - Senior Operations Engineer - Boston, MA

by Clint Moyer

Who invited this guy? ---- Ross Hecox <rhecox(a)advertising.com> wrote: ============= We reach more people than Google. Thought that would get your attention. Advertising.com is one of the most successful companies in online advertising and we're looking for someone just like you to help take our company to the next level. Advertising.com has an immediate opening for a Senior Operations Engineer in our Boston, MA office. Interested? Read on to find out more and apply. "So it's a great place to work, but what exactly do you do?" Born and bread in Baltimore, Advertising.com reaches more people each month than Google, Yahoo! and MSN. How? We buy up ad space from sites all around the Web and sell it to advertisers in aggregate - using very sophisticated technologies and solutions to match advertisements to ad space. The Senior Operations Engineer will be responsible for day-to-day monitoring, troubleshooting and maintaining our highly available, 24x7 (99.999%) hosting infrastructure for our Third Screen Media group in Boston, MA. The position will be responsible for the design and build out of performance enhancements, security, and capacity expansion. This individual will be committed, well organized, attentive to detail and an exceptional communicator: This position will interface not only with development, but with program management, documentation and release engineering. ESSENTIAL PERSONAL AND OPERATING VALUES: * Goal driven. Highly communicative. Technology curious. * High work ethic and driven to ensure maximum uptime and performance. * Works well with other departments including engineering , client services and program management. * Knowledge and operational experience with a Unix based, enterprise-class multi-tenant hosted solution.. * Monitor the health, capacity and performance of a high availability, high traffic environment - ensuring the environment is operating optimally and at peak efficiency. * Vigilantly and quickly act as second level support and manage incidents until resolved; develop solutions, proactively communicate with other team members and customers. * Contribute to planning efforts for disaster recovery, capacity expansion, component upgrading and system hardening * Work with Program Management and Engineering to determine QA paths for upcoming releases. * Coordinate the production releases between the various organizations for scheduling and deployment. * Capable of defining and running projects from concept to delivery. * Learn fast, work independently, and handle multiple simultaneous projects. * Provide support documentation, including procedural documentation; QUALIFICATIONS * 5-7 years of experience in working in multi tenant hosted environment * Working knowledge of Linux, SAN, servers/databases, WAN, firewalls, load balancers and SQL architecture. * Excellent writing and verbal communications skills. * Strong analytical, problem solving and organizational skills with the ability to discuss technical issues with non-technical colleagues. * Effective when working under pressure and delivering to high standards within tight deadlines. * Experience with J2EE systems * Comfort with Windows XP, Macintosh and UNIX environments * Previous experience working in a fast-paced start-up environment * In depth understanding of enterprise and/or ASP systems and how to evaluate performance and stability across these systems. * Detailed knowledge of real-time systems, databases and performance. * Strong background in supporting a 7X24 production environment. EDUCATION and/or EXPERIENCE: * BA/BS in computer science or technical related field. * Experience in technical documentation would be considered a plus * Experience in testing and performance labs would be considered a plus Please apply directly at www.advertising.com/careers.php<http://www.advertising.com/careers.php> Engineer II, Operations TSM Ross Hecox Sr. Technical Recruiter Advertising.com 1020 Hull Street, 2nd Floor Baltimore, MD 21230 Phone: 410.244.1370 x11544 Fax: 410.454.0369 rhecox(a)advertising.com<mailto:rhecox@advertising.com> Wanna cool place to work? Check us out at: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VwzE_QyM6UU D.O.T. - Discover Outstanding Talent ________________________________ The information transmitted in this email is intended only for the person(s) or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this email in error, please contact the sender and permanently delete the email from any computer.

June 18, 2007

JOB - Senior Operations Engineer - Boston, MA

by Ross Hecox

We reach more people than Google. Thought that would get your attention. Advertising.com is one of the most successful companies in online advertising and we're looking for someone just like you to help take our company to the next level. Advertising.com has an immediate opening for a Senior Operations Engineer in our Boston, MA office. Interested? Read on to find out more and apply. "So it's a great place to work, but what exactly do you do?" Born and bread in Baltimore, Advertising.com reaches more people each month than Google, Yahoo! and MSN. How? We buy up ad space from sites all around the Web and sell it to advertisers in aggregate - using very sophisticated technologies and solutions to match advertisements to ad space. The Senior Operations Engineer will be responsible for day-to-day monitoring, troubleshooting and maintaining our highly available, 24x7 (99.999%) hosting infrastructure for our Third Screen Media group in Boston, MA. The position will be responsible for the design and build out of performance enhancements, security, and capacity expansion. This individual will be committed, well organized, attentive to detail and an exceptional communicator: This position will interface not only with development, but with program management, documentation and release engineering. ESSENTIAL PERSONAL AND OPERATING VALUES: * Goal driven. Highly communicative. Technology curious. * High work ethic and driven to ensure maximum uptime and performance. * Works well with other departments including engineering , client services and program management. * Knowledge and operational experience with a Unix based, enterprise-class multi-tenant hosted solution.. * Monitor the health, capacity and performance of a high availability, high traffic environment - ensuring the environment is operating optimally and at peak efficiency. * Vigilantly and quickly act as second level support and manage incidents until resolved; develop solutions, proactively communicate with other team members and customers. * Contribute to planning efforts for disaster recovery, capacity expansion, component upgrading and system hardening * Work with Program Management and Engineering to determine QA paths for upcoming releases. * Coordinate the production releases between the various organizations for scheduling and deployment. * Capable of defining and running projects from concept to delivery. * Learn fast, work independently, and handle multiple simultaneous projects. * Provide support documentation, including procedural documentation; QUALIFICATIONS * 5-7 years of experience in working in multi tenant hosted environment * Working knowledge of Linux, SAN, servers/databases, WAN, firewalls, load balancers and SQL architecture. * Excellent writing and verbal communications skills. * Strong analytical, problem solving and organizational skills with the ability to discuss technical issues with non-technical colleagues. * Effective when working under pressure and delivering to high standards within tight deadlines. * Experience with J2EE systems * Comfort with Windows XP, Macintosh and UNIX environments * Previous experience working in a fast-paced start-up environment * In depth understanding of enterprise and/or ASP systems and how to evaluate performance and stability across these systems. * Detailed knowledge of real-time systems, databases and performance. * Strong background in supporting a 7X24 production environment. EDUCATION and/or EXPERIENCE: * BA/BS in computer science or technical related field. * Experience in technical documentation would be considered a plus * Experience in testing and performance labs would be considered a plus Please apply directly at www.advertising.com/careers.php<http://www.advertising.com/careers.php> Engineer II, Operations TSM Ross Hecox Sr. Technical Recruiter Advertising.com 1020 Hull Street, 2nd Floor Baltimore, MD 21230 Phone: 410.244.1370 x11544 Fax: 410.454.0369 rhecox(a)advertising.com<mailto:rhecox@advertising.com> Wanna cool place to work? Check us out at: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VwzE_QyM6UU D.O.T. - Discover Outstanding Talent ________________________________ The information transmitted in this email is intended only for the person(s) or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this email in error, please contact the sender and permanently delete the email from any computer.

June 18, 2007

Job posting

by Mike Leo

Although they have already filled my old job, it looks like they are hiring another linux admin: Linux Engineer, Wellesley The Linux Engineer will be responsible for the daily administration of the Linux environment. Project work including installation, configuration and post support of Linux servers, primarily RedHat. Support evaluation and testing of Susu Linux and security products. Support Oracle on Linux including databases, applications and RAC. 4-6 years experience working with Linux environments in an enterprise setting a must. If you are interested email me off-list at mleo963(a)yahoo.com

June 18, 2007

Ubuntu switch user & screen lock

by Bill Mills-Curran

I'm running Ubuntu Feisty Fawn. I've recently used the "switch user" option to log in without logging my son out. However, after logging out of my account, the screen is locked for my son, and his login password will not unlock the screen. Anyone else seen this? TiA, Bill

June 18, 2007

Re: [Wlug] Screen goes blank with ubuntu and geforce 8800 GTS.

by Eric Stein

telnet? Nobody uses that anymore. :p Eric Lee Keyser-Allen wrote: > Also, never underestimate the power of telnetting into the box that's > messing up and solving the problem from that console :)

June 17, 2007

Re: [Wlug] Screen goes blank with ubuntu and geforce 8800 GTS.

by Lee Keyser-Allen

Also, never underestimate the power of telnetting into the box that's messing up and solving the problem from that console :) On 6/16/07, Mike <mwp(a)sdf.lonestar.org> wrote: > Hi, > It sounds like something funny is going on with the boot splash program. > If this was happening to me I would turn it of and do some debugging. > > You can do this right from grub. When the menu appears hit 'e' (less the > quotes of course) to edit. Then move the cursor down once to the kernel > line. Hit 'e' again and remove the words 'splash' and 'quiet' from the > line. Then hit <enter>, and lastly 'b' to boot. > > This is a one time change for this boot. You can make these changes > permanent by editing the /boot/grub/menu.lst. Read the directions inside > the comments and modify it appropriately. Do not edit the lines directly. > If you do they will get overwritten by an update. Once you have edited the > file appropriately run the 'update-grub' command and reboot. > > There is a possibility that you are out of range too. I believe that there > is a configuration file in /etc/usplash. You should be able to change the > splash screens resolution there. > > The last bit of advice I can give is to make sure your Nvidia drivers are > up to date (the stock Ubuntu one's "should" work... I haven't had to > download from NVidia in a while). And then you can reconfigure your > xserver by running 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg'. Make sure you > select 'nvidia' and the appropriate screen resolutions. Sometimes I find > that NOT specifying the sync ranges of the monitor helps (especially in > laptops). > > Hopefully you can get some logs using the advice above. The output from > dmesg and /var/log/Xorg.0.log would also be helpful. > > Cheers, > Mike > > > <quote who="Kieran O'Callaghan"> > > I have system I just put together with a PCI-Express Geforce 8800 GTS > > running ubuntu 7.04. During installation of Ubuntu everything showed up > > fine on screen. After installation, I ran into the problem that right > > after grub starts loading linux, the screen goes blank (monitor light > > turns from green to amber) and stays that way right up until X loads, at > > which point I get video. This hasn't been a problem so far, but I just > > installed some updates and it seems like now X isn't loading or I'm > > getting some sort of message before X loads, because it turns on and > > just stays blank the whole time. > > It seems like it would be easy if I just put a different video card into > > the system, but I don't even have another PCI express video card. I also > > don't have any PCI video cards anymore. All I have are AGP cards and > > the system doesn't have an AGP slot. So, it looks like taking the hard > > drive out and moving it to another system is the only option. > > Any thoughts on why the screen is doing that would be appreciated. The > > monitor doesn't seem to be getting no signal, because normally it brings > > up a message saying no signal rather than just blanking. It seems more > > like it's gone into a power saving mode. I've tried it with other > > monitors and had the same results. > > > > -- > > Kieran O'Callaghan > > _______________________________________________ > > Wlug mailing list > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > > -- > They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security, > deserve neither liberty or security --Ben Franklin > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > -- Lee Keyser-Allen (lkeyser(a)alum.wpi.edu)

June 16, 2007

Re: [Wlug] Screen goes blank with ubuntu and geforce 8800 GTS.

by Mike

Hi, It sounds like something funny is going on with the boot splash program. If this was happening to me I would turn it of and do some debugging. You can do this right from grub. When the menu appears hit 'e' (less the quotes of course) to edit. Then move the cursor down once to the kernel line. Hit 'e' again and remove the words 'splash' and 'quiet' from the line. Then hit <enter>, and lastly 'b' to boot. This is a one time change for this boot. You can make these changes permanent by editing the /boot/grub/menu.lst. Read the directions inside the comments and modify it appropriately. Do not edit the lines directly. If you do they will get overwritten by an update. Once you have edited the file appropriately run the 'update-grub' command and reboot. There is a possibility that you are out of range too. I believe that there is a configuration file in /etc/usplash. You should be able to change the splash screens resolution there. The last bit of advice I can give is to make sure your Nvidia drivers are up to date (the stock Ubuntu one's "should" work... I haven't had to download from NVidia in a while). And then you can reconfigure your xserver by running 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg'. Make sure you select 'nvidia' and the appropriate screen resolutions. Sometimes I find that NOT specifying the sync ranges of the monitor helps (especially in laptops). Hopefully you can get some logs using the advice above. The output from dmesg and /var/log/Xorg.0.log would also be helpful. Cheers, Mike <quote who="Kieran O'Callaghan"> > I have system I just put together with a PCI-Express Geforce 8800 GTS > running ubuntu 7.04. During installation of Ubuntu everything showed up > fine on screen. After installation, I ran into the problem that right > after grub starts loading linux, the screen goes blank (monitor light > turns from green to amber) and stays that way right up until X loads, at > which point I get video. This hasn't been a problem so far, but I just > installed some updates and it seems like now X isn't loading or I'm > getting some sort of message before X loads, because it turns on and > just stays blank the whole time. > It seems like it would be easy if I just put a different video card into > the system, but I don't even have another PCI express video card. I also > don't have any PCI video cards anymore. All I have are AGP cards and > the system doesn't have an AGP slot. So, it looks like taking the hard > drive out and moving it to another system is the only option. > Any thoughts on why the screen is doing that would be appreciated. The > monitor doesn't seem to be getting no signal, because normally it brings > up a message saying no signal rather than just blanking. It seems more > like it's gone into a power saving mode. I've tried it with other > monitors and had the same results. > > -- > Kieran O'Callaghan > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > -- They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security, deserve neither liberty or security --Ben Franklin

June 16, 2007

Re: [Wlug] Screen goes blank with ubuntu and geforce 8800 GTS.

by Andy Stewart

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Kieran O'Callaghan wrote: > I have system I just put together with a PCI-Express Geforce 8800 GTS > running ubuntu 7.04. During installation of Ubuntu everything showed up > fine on screen. After installation, I ran into the problem that right > after grub starts loading linux, the screen goes blank (monitor light > turns from green to amber) and stays that way right up until X loads, at > which point I get video. This hasn't been a problem so far, but I just > installed some updates and it seems like now X isn't loading or I'm > getting some sort of message before X loads, because it turns on and > just stays blank the whole time. > It seems like it would be easy if I just put a different video card into > the system, but I don't even have another PCI express video card. I also > don't have any PCI video cards anymore. All I have are AGP cards and > the system doesn't have an AGP slot. So, it looks like taking the hard > drive out and moving it to another system is the only option. > Any thoughts on why the screen is doing that would be appreciated. The > monitor doesn't seem to be getting no signal, because normally it brings > up a message saying no signal rather than just blanking. It seems more > like it's gone into a power saving mode. I've tried it with other > monitors and had the same results. > Have you tried booting a Knoppix CD/DVD to see if the result is the same? If your video is OK when booted with Knoppix, you could mount your hard drive and fix it that way. I'd look at /boot/grub/menu.lst and comment out any gfxmenu commands for starters, since you mentioned that it goes out to lunch around that time. Later, Andy - -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group (http://www.wlug.org) Chelmsford Linux Meetup Group (http://linux.meetup.com/393) Amateur Radio: KB1OIQ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFGcx+dHl0iXDssISsRAiU7AJ47ZSW0RShrwCtbHarcUAHBJRsxegCfWk0A 65V8qnR5ltqtls/FIoeBdfE= =1DR7 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

June 15, 2007

Screen goes blank with ubuntu and geforce 8800 GTS.

by Kieran O'Callaghan

I have system I just put together with a PCI-Express Geforce 8800 GTS running ubuntu 7.04. During installation of Ubuntu everything showed up fine on screen. After installation, I ran into the problem that right after grub starts loading linux, the screen goes blank (monitor light turns from green to amber) and stays that way right up until X loads, at which point I get video. This hasn't been a problem so far, but I just installed some updates and it seems like now X isn't loading or I'm getting some sort of message before X loads, because it turns on and just stays blank the whole time. It seems like it would be easy if I just put a different video card into the system, but I don't even have another PCI express video card. I also don't have any PCI video cards anymore. All I have are AGP cards and the system doesn't have an AGP slot. So, it looks like taking the hard drive out and moving it to another system is the only option. Any thoughts on why the screen is doing that would be appreciated. The monitor doesn't seem to be getting no signal, because normally it brings up a message saying no signal rather than just blanking. It seems more like it's gone into a power saving mode. I've tried it with other monitors and had the same results. -- Kieran O'Callaghan

June 15, 2007

Re: [Wlug] Reminder: Meeting this evening 7:00 PM

by freak4uxxx＠gmail.com

i've palyed with it once or twice. Two heads are better than one, right? -Eric -----Original Message----- From: "Klein, Richard" <Richard.Klein(a)cytyc.com> Subj: Re: [Wlug] Reminder: Meeting this evening 7:00 PM Date: Thu Jun 14, 2007 12:58 pm Size: 887 bytes To: "Worcester Linux Users Group" <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> > -----Original Message----- > From: Andy Stewart > > HI gang, > > I completely forgot that we have a WLUG meeting this evening > (Thursday, June 14th) at 7:00 PM. My apologies for not > updating the website or sending the normal reminder email. > > Let's get together and chat about our favorite subject - > Linux! We always find some way to entertain ourselves for an > hour or so before heading off to the pizza restaurant. > > I'll see you tonight. > > Andy I'm not sure if I'll make it tonight, but if I do, is anyone familiar with RoadNav (http://roadnav.sourceforge.net/)? I have it installed on my laptop, but I don't really know my way around the program yet, and I'd love to have someone show me what I can do with it. -- Rich Klein _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

June 14, 2007

Re: [Wlug] Reminder: Meeting this evening 7:00 PM

by Desdinova

Anyone who's heading down tonight happen to have an HD50 -> HD68 adaptor or centronics50 to HD68 cable they don't mind getting rid of for a few bucks? Take care, James

June 14, 2007

Re: [Wlug] Reminder: Meeting this evening 7:00 PM

by Klein, Richard

> -----Original Message----- > From: Andy Stewart > > HI gang, > > I completely forgot that we have a WLUG meeting this evening > (Thursday, June 14th) at 7:00 PM. My apologies for not > updating the website or sending the normal reminder email. > > Let's get together and chat about our favorite subject - > Linux! We always find some way to entertain ourselves for an > hour or so before heading off to the pizza restaurant. > > I'll see you tonight. > > Andy I'm not sure if I'll make it tonight, but if I do, is anyone familiar with RoadNav (http://roadnav.sourceforge.net/)? I have it installed on my laptop, but I don't really know my way around the program yet, and I'd love to have someone show me what I can do with it. -- Rich Klein

June 14, 2007

Re: [Wlug] Reminder: Meeting this evening 7:00 PM

by freak4uxxx＠gmail.com

I was gonna ask.... -Eric -----Original Message----- From: "Andy Stewart" <andy.stewart(a)amd.com> Subj: [Wlug] Reminder: Meeting this evening 7:00 PM Date: Thu Jun 14, 2007 11:58 am Size: 646 bytes To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org HI gang, I completely forgot that we have a WLUG meeting this evening (Thursday, June 14th) at 7:00 PM. My apologies for not updating the website or sending the normal reminder email. Let's get together and chat about our favorite subject - Linux! We always find some way to entertain ourselves for an hour or so before heading off to the pizza restaurant. I'll see you tonight. Andy -- Andy Stewart Advanced Micro Devices Boston Design Center 90 Central St. MS 83-29 Boxborough, MA 01719 (978) 795-2669 _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

June 14, 2007

Reminder: Meeting this evening 7:00 PM

by Andy Stewart

HI gang, I completely forgot that we have a WLUG meeting this evening (Thursday, June 14th) at 7:00 PM. My apologies for not updating the website or sending the normal reminder email. Let's get together and chat about our favorite subject - Linux! We always find some way to entertain ourselves for an hour or so before heading off to the pizza restaurant. I'll see you tonight. Andy -- Andy Stewart Advanced Micro Devices Boston Design Center 90 Central St. MS 83-29 Boxborough, MA 01719 (978) 795-2669

June 14, 2007

JOBS - Linux drivers consulting roles

by John Spencer

We have a couple of clients here in MA looking for Linux consulting help. Details are as follows: Mid to Sr level Linux drivers Engineer Linux driver development contract for 9+ months in embedded development team. Job responsibilities include learning hardware from hardware design specs, developing a design and documenting it, developing the design, and debugging the driver in an embedded environment. Preferred candidate would have 3-6 years of Linux driver development. DUTIES AND RESPONSIBILITIES include the following: Focus will be on design and development of 2.6 Linux kernel drivers for proprietary FPGAs and some 3rd party parts like Ethernet switches. Experience developing Linux drivers in an embedded environment. Experience developing Linux drivers in Linux 2.6.current kernel is preferred but 2.4 is acceptable. Experience with PowerPC or processors Experience debugging Linux drivers. Able to work with current team members including kernel, driver, and application disciplines. Good oral and written communication skills. ************************************************************************ ************* Sr to Prin Level consultant (6 mths) Our Client is looking for a Linux Engineer to port their existing systems software platform (drivers, BSP's, kernel, applications) from 2.4 to 2.6 Linux. This effort has just started and and THEY have the kernel up and running (bash shell). Will upgrade the existing build infrastructure for loadable kernel modules to comply with Linux kbuild. Port existing loadable kernel modules, applications, and libraries written for version 2.4.20 to 2.6.17. Apply third-party and proprietary patches to the kernel source. Assist with hardware and user mode Linux-based simulator startup and initialization. Ideally, we need someone who has worked on this exact type of porting effort and has dealt with many of the issues/challenges in this type of port. Experience with UML is required since they use User ModeLinux as their Emulation/Development tool. Regards, John John Spencer (978) 256-1113 ext 7608 jspencer(a)optimaleng.com OPTIMAL ENGINEERING PARTNERS "Your Optimal partner for full-lifecycle engineering services in embedded and real-time, systems and application development" www.optimalengineering.com <http://www.optimalengineering.com/>

June 11, 2007

JOB - Unix File Systems - off-site work is fine

by John Spencer

We have a client looking for Unix File Systems long-term consulting help. This work can be done remotely with occasional visits to client site out of state. Details are as follows: Project Description: This is a need for a Sr. File Systems Engineer to work remotely via a virtual office, There is potential for a client visit every 6-8 weeks. This is a very strategic and high visibility project with a large end-client. Optical based storage, OSD project. This resource will be part of the core program that is in charge of fully designing a file system for work in conjunction with an OSD driver. There are around 5 people on the project - 2 SCSI engineers/1 file systems engineer/1 embedded engineer. They are in the architecture phase right now. Even with the consultant working from a virtual office, they will be held accountable to a regular schedule, (meaning you must work core business hours) Required Skills: - Unix file systems (Constructs such as VFS, vnodes, inodes, caching, B+trees, disk layouts, index and hashing mechanisms) - File System Internals experience is key (Understand of, and ability to comfortably converse about, inodes, allocations groups, how to manipulate internals of a file system) - SW development - Strong C - Strong Unix - Unix development tools - Embedded systems development is a big plus - NetBSD is a big plus **** A junior file systems engineer would still be considered as long as they have a reasonable amount of understanding of File systems internals. **** Regards, John John Spencer (978) 256-1113 ext 7608 jspencer(a)optimaleng.com OPTIMAL ENGINEERING PARTNERS "Your Optimal partner for full-lifecycle engineering services in embedded and real-time, systems and application development" www.optimalengineering.com <http://www.optimalengineering.com/>

June 11, 2007

Re: [Wlug] Hardware Vendor Search (a bit off list)

by Mike Leo

Expert Server Group in Bedford NH. http://www.expertserver.com/ Worked with them for years and they are awesome. Jenn Heiberg is our current rep, but Amy Fournier is cool, too. They are a var, too. VMWare experts and such. ----- Original Message ---- From: Tal Cohen <wlug(a)cohen123.com> To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org Sent: Friday, June 8, 2007 3:20:36 PM Subject: [Wlug] Hardware Vendor Search (a bit off list)  Does anyone know a good, reliable, hardware vendor that they can recommend? I need to purchase 4-7 2U servers and our existing vendor is dragging his feet. Thanks, Tal _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

June 8, 2007

Re: [Wlug] Hardware Vendor Search (a bit off list)

by Jamie Guinan

I had a really bad experience trying to buy a 1U server from a vendor I saw in Linux Journal, thinking I'd support a "linux-friendly" company. Well, after they charged my CC, it took them 3 *weeks* to start the system burn-in, the system *failed* burn-in, they said it would take at least another week... so I finally told them to screw off and got my money back. I ended up buying a dirt-cheap 1U Celeron (Cybertron) from TigerDirect, which I colo'd with a Level3 reseller in Cambridge. Its been humming along for 2 years so far. So if you're willing forego the "value add" (pronounced with dripping sarcasm and doing the "quotes" motion with my fingers) that some vendors might provide, and you can install and configure your own Linux distro, you might try TigerDirect or another generic online vendor. -Jamie On Fri, 8 Jun 2007, Tal Cohen wrote: > Does anyone know a good, reliable, hardware vendor that they can recommend? > I need to purchase 4-7 2U servers and our existing vendor is dragging his > feet. > > > > Thanks, > Tal

June 8, 2007

Hardware Vendor Search (a bit off list)

by Tal Cohen

Does anyone know a good, reliable, hardware vendor that they can recommend? I need to purchase 4-7 2U servers and our existing vendor is dragging his feet. Thanks, Tal

June 8, 2007

Seeking Linux help for area non-profit - compensation potential

by Mike Peckar

Please do not reply to the list or to me. Boylston's public cable access channel (WBAC) is seeking to expand its services and offer Video on Demand and video file upload and download services for its staff and eventually the community. They currently have their web site and email hosted with an ISP and they are happy with that, but the ISP cannot provide them with these new services. They are looking for help in installing and configuring a linux box off their private LAN for this purpose. They also need other general help with their setup including configuring and troubleshooting VPN connections via their netgear VPN/firewall, etc. These folks are sort of windows literate, and they recognize that Linux will provide them with the most secure and cost-effective solution to meet their growing needs at this time. Ideally, they are seeking Boylston residents, but they are willing to bring in help from outside their community. They are also able to reasonably compensate for the above mentioned services and/or barter for access to their fine production equipment. If you are intersted in learning more about video and television production, this may be well worth your effort. To express your interest, please provide a brief summary of your skills, your level of interest in supporting WBAC, and any compensation requirements to: Tom Martiska Staff(a)wbactv.org

June 6, 2007

Re: [Wlug] Followup [Re: Follow-Up to Key Signing Party]

by Andy Stewart

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Minkov, Ross wrote: > Hi gang, > > Just wanted to let you know that I signed all of the keys from the PGP > key signing party and sent them to the gpg mit server. I am not sure how > to confirm that I did it correctly, so if someone can check his key and > let me know if I did alright I'd appreciate it. Also how do I check who > has signed my key? > > Thanks, > Ross HI Ross, It looks like you've signed my key correctly (thanks!). I see 7 signatures on your key (not including your own). I used kgpg to verify this graphically. Later, Andy - -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group (http://www.wlug.org) Chelmsford Linux Meetup Group (http://linux.meetup.com/393) Amateur Radio: KB1OIQ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFGXq7wHl0iXDssISsRAgScAJ9Nk7NaQDrbp45Acz+wDrEGvX+/lACfSVZL RX8nGB/6SCeciNtSPsatZks= =B3kR -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

May 31, 2007

Re: [Wlug] Followup [Re: Follow-Up to Key Signing Party]

by Minkov, Ross

Hi gang, Just wanted to let you know that I signed all of the keys from the PGP key signing party and sent them to the gpg mit server. I am not sure how to confirm that I did it correctly, so if someone can check his key and let me know if I did alright I'd appreciate it. Also how do I check who has signed my key? Thanks, Ross -----Original Message----- From: wlug-bounces(a)mail.wlug.org [mailto:wlug-bounces@mail.wlug.org] On Behalf Of Eric Martin Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2007 07:15 To: Worcester Linux Users Group Subject: Re: [Wlug] Followup [Re: Follow-Up to Key Signing Party] -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 gpg --update-trustdb You might have to do it twice if trusting someone now leads you to trusting someone else. - -eric Gregory Avedissian wrote: > > Jamie Guinan wrote: > (...) >> gpg: 3 marginal(s) needed, 1 complete(s) needed, PGP trust model >> gpg: depth: 0 valid: 1 signed: 12 trust: 0-, 0q, 0n, 0m, 0f, 1u >> gpg: depth: 1 valid: 12 signed: 1 trust: 12-, 0q, 0n, >> 0m, 0f, 0u >> gpg: next trustdb check due at 2009-04-16 > > > Can anyone translate these lines? > > Also, when I signed keys this time, I wasn't asked what level of trust to > attach to my signature. When we did this a few years ago, I remember > having to answer or ignore that question, and my answers appear on those > old sigs. When I tried to edit the trust level on the newly signed keys, > it didn't seem to stick. > > > Greg > > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFGVCJIaiVxdKlBO58RAj+WAJ0bvjr+a85pP7TC5rwdJJXVVfGGogCfcHQt cNPE0b+ga2YUbSTabwXHbeQ= =blTI -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

May 31, 2007

a) UPS talk? b) APC-w-USB ?

by Doug Mildram

doug> I got an idea for a WLUG talk, having trolled the SW-devel-mail-list and used sparingly the excellent APC-UPS free sw at http://www.apcupsd.com I've got a small-enough APC SmartUPS and a laptop or 2 I could do this on. What I don't have (or can't yank out of the lab here at work) COULD USE....dont really NEED: ....an APC UPS with the more modern USB port....reasonably small. (the SW supports serial/"COM1" cable/interface, or USB/HID... I'm very weak on the HID stuff, but it probably just works.) So this lure is to see who does have apc w/usb... and wants to try-and-or-demo this. and When's the june meeting ? (I forget what month the party is.)

May 29, 2007

Free stuff - please reply off list

by Adam Keck

Hello All, I have some free items that I can bring to the next meeting, if anyone wants them. 2x Serial Cable 6ft: DB-25 Female to DB-25 Male 1x Serial Cable 6ft: DB-25 Male to DB-25 Male 1x Sun 13W3 to VGA Adapter 4x SCSI 2 to SCSI 3 - DB50P Male to DB68P Male 6ft 1x DB-9 Male to DB-25 Female Serial Adapter 1x SCSI 2: DB-50 Male to DB-50 Male 3ft 1x SCSI 3: DB-68 Male to Male 1ft 1x Sun 13W3 to Mac DB-15 graphics cable 1x Centronix to DB-25 SCSI 1 1x @Home Network (there's a blast from the past ;) USB Ethernet Adapter 1x SCSI 3: DB-68 Male to DB-68 Male 3ft 1x DB-68 Male to 50-pin Male 1x SCSI 3: DB-68 Male to DB-68 Male 6ft 1x 8-port 3-Com 10/100 hub 1x DLT-4 tape 1x Male to Male VGA cable 6ft 2x DB-9 Male to DB-9 Female 6ft 1x Mammoth Cleaning Tape 8mm 1x ATA-100 internal IDE cable 1x DB-15 VGA Male to Male gender changer 1x Synoptics LattisNet Model 508 10Base-T Transceiver -Adam

May 29, 2007

2 free 17" CRT monitors (D1028L)

by Mike Frysinger

ive got two spare 17" CRT monitors here ... they're D1028L (the good shit: Triniton). ive got no use for them and dont want to be bothered with selling them, so if anyone wants one, lemme know ... i'm in the WPI area -mike

May 27, 2007

Re: [Wlug] FW: gv & resource file in ubuntu feisty fox

by Jamie Guinan

On Fri, 25 May 2007, Bill Mills-Curran wrote: > I've searched and have not found the answer to this issue. > > gv in the Ubuntu feisty fox distro does not seem to observe the > resource file. In particular the auto-refresh and reverse scroll do > not work. > > My resource file is ~/.gv and contains: > > GV.reverseScrolling: TRUE > GV.watchFile: TRUE > GV.autoResize: FALSE > > > This did work on Red Hat FC4, but the same file does not work in > Ubuntu. > > Am I doing something wrong or have I found a bug? I think resource settings "reside" in the X server at run-time, so you could try manually adding those particular ones like so, (with queries before and after for testing), $ xrdb -query $ xrdb -merge ~/.gv $ xrdb -query Then run gv again. If it works, maybe you could add it to your X startup, however that works on your $DISTRO+$DESKTOP+etc... In the past I've also used ggv, which is gnome-ified gv. -Jamie

May 26, 2007

Re: [Wlug] FW: gv & resource file in ubuntu feisty fox

by Richard Klein

Bill Mills-Curran wrote: > > I've searched and have not found the answer to this issue. > > gv in the Ubuntu feisty fox distro does not seem to observe the > resource file. In particular the auto-refresh and reverse scroll do > not work. Have you tried the Feisty Fawn distro? :) -- Rich

May 25, 2007

Re: [Wlug] gv & resource file in ubuntu feisty fox

by Kristian Hermansen

Bill Mills-Curran wrote: > I tried that -- it still did not pick up the resource. Appears there is a patch specifically for this issue. Maybe a bug crept into the later versions of the gv source, and may not be specific to Ubuntu... http://www.nabble.com/cannot-save-options-in-gv-tf3810362.html#a10786600 <snip> diff -ru gv-3.6.2/src/info.c gv-3.6.2J/src/info.c --- gv-3.6.2/src/info.c 2004-11-11 05:21:05.000000000 -0700 +++ gv-3.6.2J/src/info.c 2007-04-18 15:16:22.000000000 -0600 @@ -76,6 +76,7 @@ Widget w; XtPointer client_data, call_data; { + if(gv_gs_quiet) return; BEGINMESSAGE(cb_popupInfoPopup) if (!infoPopupCreated) { makeInfoPopup(); } if (infoPopupVisible==True) {INFMESSAGE(InfoPopup already up) ENDMESSAGE(popupInfoPopup) return; } diff -ru gv-3.6.2/src/main.c gv-3.6.2J/src/main.c --- gv-3.6.2/src/main.c 2006-09-14 12:56:08.000000000 -0600 +++ gv-3.6.2J/src/main.c 2007-04-18 15:16:03.000000000 -0600 @@ -594,7 +594,7 @@ XrmDatabase db; INFMESSAGE(getting resources) db = resource_buildDatabase(gv_display,gv_class,gv_name,&argc,argv); - XrmCombineDatabase(db,&gv_database,False); + XrmCombineDatabase(db,&gv_database,True); } /*### initializing widget set and creating application shell #########################*/ @@ -1033,8 +1033,7 @@ XtSetArg(args[n], XtNinterpreter,gv_gs_interpreter); n++; b = gv_gs_safer ? True : False; XtSetArg(args[n], XtNsafer,b); n++; - b = gv_gs_quiet ? True : False; - XtSetArg(args[n], XtNquiet,b); n++; + XtSetArg(args[n], XtNquiet,True); n++; b = app_res.use_bpixmap ? True : False; XtSetArg(args[n], XtNuseBackingPixmap,b); n++; XtSetArg(args[n], XtNarguments,gv_gs_arguments); n++; </snip> -- Kristian Hermansen

May 25, 2007

Re: [Wlug] gv & resource file in ubuntu feisty fox

by Bill Mills-Curran

On Fri, May 25, 2007 at 04:24:23PM -0400, Kristian Hermansen wrote: > From: Kristian Hermansen <kristian.hermansen(a)gmail.com> > To: Bill Mills-Curran <bill(a)mills-curran.net>, > Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)wlug.org>, > BLU Discussion List <discuss(a)blu.org> > Reply-To: kristian.hermansen(a)gmail.com > Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 16:24:23 -0400 > Subject: Re: FW: gv & resource file in ubuntu feisty fox > > Bill Mills-Curran wrote: > >My resource file is ~/.gv and contains: > > How about trying this to see if it really is a bug on failing to parse > ~/.gv? > > gv --ad=/home/youruser/.gv foo.ps > -- > Kristian Hermansen > Kristian, I tried that -- it still did not pick up the resource. Bill

May 25, 2007

Re: [Wlug] FW: gv & resource file in ubuntu feisty fox

by Kristian Hermansen

Bill Mills-Curran wrote: > My resource file is ~/.gv and contains: How about trying this to see if it really is a bug on failing to parse ~/.gv? gv --ad=/home/youruser/.gv foo.ps -- Kristian Hermansen

May 25, 2007

FW: gv & resource file in ubuntu feisty fox

by Bill Mills-Curran

I've searched and have not found the answer to this issue. gv in the Ubuntu feisty fox distro does not seem to observe the resource file. In particular the auto-refresh and reverse scroll do not work. My resource file is ~/.gv and contains: GV.reverseScrolling: TRUE GV.watchFile: TRUE GV.autoResize: FALSE This did work on Red Hat FC4, but the same file does not work in Ubuntu. Am I doing something wrong or have I found a bug? TIA, Bill

May 25, 2007

Re: [Wlug] Cups, FC6, and networks, oh MY!

by Chuck Anderson

On Fri, May 25, 2007 at 08:29:07AM -0400, Bill Smith wrote: > I'm mostly wondering what I need to do to get FC6 to share this printer > (that is, the LaserJet 4MP) with other computers on the network. It should be a simple checkbox under system-config-printer (System->Administration->Printing in GNOME). I have: Local Printers printer and then in the Settings tab there is a checkbox: [x] Shared

May 25, 2007

Re: [Wlug] Cups, FC6, and networks, oh MY!

by Mike Leo

I'm not following this whole thread, but you need a printer entry in /etc/samba/smb.conf to share it with windows folks ----- Original Message ---- From: Bill Smith <wsmith(a)chezsmith.com> To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org Sent: Friday, May 25, 2007 8:29:07 AM Subject: Re: [Wlug] Cups, FC6, and networks, oh MY! On Thu, 24 May 2007 16:25:26 -0400, John Stoffel wrote: > >I've got an old LaserJet 4M myself. Ran nicely for years, before the >rollers started putting junk on the paper. It's also got the >JetDirect card as well, so you can just put it onto the network. > >I'd be happy to sell it off for a nominal sum, say $50? But let me >check that the darn thing is still in the basement... This would give >you spare parts if anything broke on yours. Thanks for the thought... How much is interchangeable between the 4M and 4MP? I know that my printer doesn't have anywhere for a JetDirect card: it's got a parallel, AppleTalk, and serial port at one edge on the back, and on the side, it's got two (empty) memory slots... I'm mostly wondering what I need to do to get FC6 to share this printer (that is, the LaserJet 4MP) with other computers on the network. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- William Smith wsmith-at-chezsmith-dot-com Fall River, MA http://www.chezsmith.com "Free will is an illusion. People always choose the perceived path of greatest pleasure." -- Dogbert * TAG! v3.2 * _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

May 25, 2007

Re: [Wlug] Cups, FC6, and networks, oh MY!

by Bill Smith

On Thu, 24 May 2007 16:25:26 -0400, John Stoffel wrote: > >I've got an old LaserJet 4M myself. Ran nicely for years, before the >rollers started putting junk on the paper. It's also got the >JetDirect card as well, so you can just put it onto the network. > >I'd be happy to sell it off for a nominal sum, say $50? But let me >check that the darn thing is still in the basement... This would give >you spare parts if anything broke on yours. Thanks for the thought... How much is interchangeable between the 4M and 4MP? I know that my printer doesn't have anywhere for a JetDirect card: it's got a parallel, AppleTalk, and serial port at one edge on the back, and on the side, it's got two (empty) memory slots... I'm mostly wondering what I need to do to get FC6 to share this printer (that is, the LaserJet 4MP) with other computers on the network. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- William Smith wsmith-at-chezsmith-dot-com Fall River, MA http://www.chezsmith.com "Free will is an illusion. People always choose the perceived path of greatest pleasure." -- Dogbert * TAG! v3.2 *

May 25, 2007

Well, maybe one more sparc64 question....

by Ken Jones

Jamie, That posting you sent me is definitely my bug. The only difference is the revision level of media-libs-mesa. The poster claims that his problems were fixed with a emerge --sync the following morning. I have not been so lucky. -------------You and the bug report told me to eselect opengl. I did and this is what I get. kjones-sun2 temp # eselect opengl set xorg-x11 shell-init: error retrieving current directory: getcwd: cannot access parent dir ectories: No such file or directory !!! Error: Can't load module opengl Killed kjones-sun2 temp # ----------I then looked for a relationship between opengl and xorg-x11. kjones-sun2 temp # locate opengl | grep x11 /usr/lib/opengl/xorg-x11 /usr/lib/opengl/xorg-x11/include /usr/lib/opengl/xorg-x11/include/glxtokens.h /usr/lib/opengl/xorg-x11/include/glxmd.h /usr/lib/opengl/xorg-x11/include/glxproto.h kjones-sun2 temp # --------The posting also asked that I check glxproto.h as a logical link. kjones-sun2 temp # ls -l /usr/include/GL/glxproto.h ls: cannot access /usr/include/GL/glxproto.h: No such file or directory kjones-sun2 temp # --------So I just tried to find glxproto.h. It is real and 75729 bytes in size... kjones-sun2 temp # locate glxproto.h /usr/lib/opengl/xorg-x11/include/glxproto.h kjones-sun2 temp # kjones-sun2 temp # ls -l /usr/lib/opengl/xorg-x11/include/glxproto.h -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 75729 May 23 18:14 /usr/lib/opengl/xorg-x11/include/glxpr oto.h That seems very interesting and pertinent. I have not the faintest idea what is going on. Do you understand?? Do you know what I need to do to get xorg-x11 installed? Ken Jones

May 25, 2007

Re: [Wlug] Cups, FC6, and networks, oh MY!

by Gregory Avedissian

I've got a 4L that's connected to my linux box, and I share out the printer using samba. With debian etch, I had to manually edit a couple of the cups files, but in sarge, I didn't have to do that. If you want details, I'll have to drag out my notes. Greg Bill Smith wrote: > I have recently acquired an HP LaserJet 4MP. It's connected to the > parallel port of my system running FC6 (with all current updates). > > The printer itself works great, so long as I am trying to print from > localhost, but I'd like to share it to the other systems on my > network. (These other systems include WinXP, Mac OS X, etc.) > > I've poked around a bit and found pointers on getting cups to work on > other OSs (Gentoo, Ubuntu), but not Fedora Core. > > Would anyone have any pointers? I'm willing to post config file > segments, if that will help-- just tell me what you need to see. > > Any help would be greatly appreciated. > > > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- > William Smith wsmith-at-chezsmith-dot-com > Fall River, MA http://www.chezsmith.com > > "He played me like a fish... I can't make it any clearer > than that." -- Colin Mochrie, on "Who's Line Is It, > Anyway?" > * TAG! v3.2 * > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

May 25, 2007

Re: [Wlug] Cups, FC6, and networks, oh MY!

by John Stoffel

I've got an old LaserJet 4M myself. Ran nicely for years, before the rollers started putting junk on the paper. It's also got the JetDirect card as well, so you can just put it onto the network. I'd be happy to sell it off for a nominal sum, say $50? But let me check that the darn thing is still in the basement... This would give you spare parts if anything broke on yours. John

May 24, 2007

Cups, FC6, and networks, oh MY!

by Bill Smith

I have recently acquired an HP LaserJet 4MP. It's connected to the parallel port of my system running FC6 (with all current updates). The printer itself works great, so long as I am trying to print from localhost, but I'd like to share it to the other systems on my network. (These other systems include WinXP, Mac OS X, etc.) I've poked around a bit and found pointers on getting cups to work on other OSs (Gentoo, Ubuntu), but not Fedora Core. Would anyone have any pointers? I'm willing to post config file segments, if that will help-- just tell me what you need to see. Any help would be greatly appreciated. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- William Smith wsmith-at-chezsmith-dot-com Fall River, MA http://www.chezsmith.com "He played me like a fish... I can't make it any clearer than that." -- Colin Mochrie, on "Who's Line Is It, Anyway?" * TAG! v3.2 *

May 24, 2007

Re: [Wlug] last sparc64 gentoo question - I promise

by Jamie Guinan

On Thu, 24 May 2007, ken jones wrote: > I succeeded in doing: > #emerge --sync > #emerge portage > Then I tried > #emerge xorg-x11 > overnight. I woke up to find this had failed on step 101 out of 133. That's actually rather good progress. :) > ------------------- > The first two emerge's completed, emerge xorg-x11 did not. Below is > stdout. Looking at the log it appears that stddef.h is missing... > -----------snip--------- > makedepend: warning: clientattrib.c (reading /usr/include/gconv.h, line > 31): cannot find include file "stddef.h" > ---------snip---------- > Right at the end stdout said, "!!! If you need support, post the > topmost build error, and the call stack if relevant." > I have no idea what this means. Do you? > Any suggestions what I do now? My guess is to just try again. I found this, http://www.nabble.com/emerge-xorg-xll--fails-out-at-media-libs-mesa-6.5-r3-… See the post from Donnie Berkholz near the bottom, where he suggests # eselect opengl set xorg-x11 Then try, # emerge -ptv xorg-x11 [ this will show you what's going to be merged ] # emerge xorg-x11 [ ok, try again...] -Jamie > Ken Jones > ========================================== > -------------------snip of emerge failure step 101 out of > 133---------------- > >>> Emerging (101 of 133) media-libs/mesa-6.5.1-r1 to / > >>> Downloading > 'http://distfiles.gentoo.org/distfiles/MesaLib-6.5.1.tar.bz2' > --00:50:32-- http://distfiles.gentoo.org/distfiles/MesaLib-6.5.1.tar.bz2 > => `/usr/portage/distfiles/MesaLib-6.5.1.tar.bz2' > Resolving distfiles.gentoo.org... 156.56.247.195, 216.165.129.135, > 64.50.236.52, ... > Connecting to distfiles.gentoo.org|156.56.247.195|:80... connected. > HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 200 OK > Length: 3,138,257 (3.0M) [application/x-tar] > > 100%[===============================================================================>] > 3,138,257 523.02K/s ETA 00:00 > > 00:50:38 (503.34 KB/s) - `/usr/portage/distfiles/MesaLib-6.5.1.tar.bz2' > saved [3138257/3138257] > > * checking ebuild checksums ;-) > ... > [ ok ] > * checking auxfile checksums ;-) > ... > [ ok ] > * checking miscfile checksums ;-) > ... > [ ok ] > * checking MesaLib-6.5.1.tar.bz2 ;-) > ... > [ ok ] > * QA Notice: USE Flag 'amd64-fbsd' not in IUSE for media-libs/mesa-6.5.1-r1 > * QA Notice: USE Flag 'kernel_FreeBSD' not in IUSE for > media-libs/mesa-6.5.1-r1 > >>> Unpacking source... > >>> Unpacking MesaLib-6.5.1.tar.bz2 to > /var/tmp/portage/media-libs/mesa-6.5.1-r1/work > * Applying 6.5.1-freebsd-dri.patch > ... > [ ok ] > * Removing DO_DEBUG defs in dri drivers... > * Sparc assembly code is not working; deactivating > >>> Source unpacked. > >>> Compiling source in > /var/tmp/portage/media-libs/mesa-6.5.1-r1/work/Mesa-6.5.1 ... > (cd configs && rm -f current && ln -s linux-dri current) > . > . <<=============many steps in here=========>> > . > clientattrib.c: In function `__glFreeAttributeState': > clientattrib.c:131: error: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type > clientattrib.c:132: error: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type > make[3]: *** [clientattrib.o] Error 1 > make[3]: Leaving directory > `/var/tmp/portage/media-libs/mesa-6.5.1-r1/work/Mesa-6.5.1/src/glx/x11' > make[2]: *** [subdirs] Error 1 > make[2]: Leaving directory > `/var/tmp/portage/media-libs/mesa-6.5.1-r1/work/Mesa-6.5.1/src' > make[1]: *** [default] Error 1 > make[1]: Leaving directory > `/var/tmp/portage/media-libs/mesa-6.5.1-r1/work/Mesa-6.5.1' > make: *** [linux-dri] Error 2 > > !!! ERROR: media-libs/mesa-6.5.1-r1 failed. > Call stack: > ebuild.sh, line 1615: Called dyn_compile > ebuild.sh, line 972: Called qa_call 'src_compile' > ebuild.sh, line 44: Called src_compile > mesa-6.5.1-r1.ebuild, line 215: Called die > > !!! Build failed > !!! If you need support, post the topmost build error, and the call > stack if relevant. > !!! A complete build log is located at > '/var/tmp/portage/media-libs/mesa-6.5.1-r1/temp/build.log'. > > kjones-sun2 bin # > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

May 24, 2007

Re: [Wlug] last sparc64 gentoo question - I promise

by Mike Frysinger

On Thursday 24 May 2007, ken jones wrote: > The first two emerge's completed, emerge xorg-x11 did not. Below is > stdout. Looking at the log it appears that stddef.h is missing... > -----------snip--------- > makedepend: warning: clientattrib.c (reading /usr/include/gconv.h, line > 31): cannot find include file "stddef.h" > ---------snip---------- no, that is a warning (like it says), not an error ... the makedepend program is kind of crappy when it comes to generating depend files, that's why using gcc's -MM is much preferred ... but that's a different topic > Right at the end stdout said, "!!! If you need support, post the > topmost build error, and the call stack if relevant." > I have no idea what this means. Do you? > Any suggestions what I do now? My guess is to just try again. you could try posting the actual error -mike

May 24, 2007

last sparc64 gentoo question - I promise

by ken jones

I succeeded in doing: #emerge --sync #emerge portage Then I tried #emerge xorg-x11 overnight. I woke up to find this had failed on step 101 out of 133. ------------------- The first two emerge's completed, emerge xorg-x11 did not. Below is stdout. Looking at the log it appears that stddef.h is missing... -----------snip--------- makedepend: warning: clientattrib.c (reading /usr/include/gconv.h, line 31): cannot find include file "stddef.h" ---------snip---------- Right at the end stdout said, "!!! If you need support, post the topmost build error, and the call stack if relevant." I have no idea what this means. Do you? Any suggestions what I do now? My guess is to just try again. Ken Jones ========================================== -------------------snip of emerge failure step 101 out of 133---------------- >>> Emerging (101 of 133) media-libs/mesa-6.5.1-r1 to / >>> Downloading 'http://distfiles.gentoo.org/distfiles/MesaLib-6.5.1.tar.bz2' --00:50:32-- http://distfiles.gentoo.org/distfiles/MesaLib-6.5.1.tar.bz2 => `/usr/portage/distfiles/MesaLib-6.5.1.tar.bz2' Resolving distfiles.gentoo.org... 156.56.247.195, 216.165.129.135, 64.50.236.52, ... Connecting to distfiles.gentoo.org|156.56.247.195|:80... connected. HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 200 OK Length: 3,138,257 (3.0M) [application/x-tar] 100%[===============================================================================>] 3,138,257 523.02K/s ETA 00:00 00:50:38 (503.34 KB/s) - `/usr/portage/distfiles/MesaLib-6.5.1.tar.bz2' saved [3138257/3138257] * checking ebuild checksums ;-) ... [ ok ] * checking auxfile checksums ;-) ... [ ok ] * checking miscfile checksums ;-) ... [ ok ] * checking MesaLib-6.5.1.tar.bz2 ;-) ... [ ok ] * QA Notice: USE Flag 'amd64-fbsd' not in IUSE for media-libs/mesa-6.5.1-r1 * QA Notice: USE Flag 'kernel_FreeBSD' not in IUSE for media-libs/mesa-6.5.1-r1 >>> Unpacking source... >>> Unpacking MesaLib-6.5.1.tar.bz2 to /var/tmp/portage/media-libs/mesa-6.5.1-r1/work * Applying 6.5.1-freebsd-dri.patch ... [ ok ] * Removing DO_DEBUG defs in dri drivers... * Sparc assembly code is not working; deactivating >>> Source unpacked. >>> Compiling source in /var/tmp/portage/media-libs/mesa-6.5.1-r1/work/Mesa-6.5.1 ... (cd configs && rm -f current && ln -s linux-dri current) . . <<=============many steps in here=========>> . clientattrib.c: In function `__glFreeAttributeState': clientattrib.c:131: error: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type clientattrib.c:132: error: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type make[3]: *** [clientattrib.o] Error 1 make[3]: Leaving directory `/var/tmp/portage/media-libs/mesa-6.5.1-r1/work/Mesa-6.5.1/src/glx/x11' make[2]: *** [subdirs] Error 1 make[2]: Leaving directory `/var/tmp/portage/media-libs/mesa-6.5.1-r1/work/Mesa-6.5.1/src' make[1]: *** [default] Error 1 make[1]: Leaving directory `/var/tmp/portage/media-libs/mesa-6.5.1-r1/work/Mesa-6.5.1' make: *** [linux-dri] Error 2 !!! ERROR: media-libs/mesa-6.5.1-r1 failed. Call stack: ebuild.sh, line 1615: Called dyn_compile ebuild.sh, line 972: Called qa_call 'src_compile' ebuild.sh, line 44: Called src_compile mesa-6.5.1-r1.ebuild, line 215: Called die !!! Build failed !!! If you need support, post the topmost build error, and the call stack if relevant. !!! A complete build log is located at '/var/tmp/portage/media-libs/mesa-6.5.1-r1/temp/build.log'. kjones-sun2 bin #

May 24, 2007

Re: [Wlug] It boots. Now what?

by Jamie Guinan

On Wed, 23 May 2007, ken jones wrote: > I got HAPPYMEAL to work. My sparc64 is on the WEB! > Here is result of ls -lad /etc/make.profile > ----------snip---------- > kjones-sun2 ~ # ls -lad /etc/make.profile > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 58 May 17 12:45 /etc/make.profile -> > ../usr/portage/profiles/default-linux/sparc/sparc64/2006.1 > -----------end snip--------- > Here is result of emerge xorg-x11: How do I install from the tar.bz > file? What is gentoo's equivalent of Red Hat's rpm? That's what gentoo's portage system (via the "emerge" command) does for you - downloads the tarballs, builds, installs, and keeps a record of what's installed under /var/db/pkg/<category>/<package>/ . Well, when it works. :) Look at /usr/portage/media-libs/libpng/*.ebuild, its fairly easy to get the gist of it if you know shell syntax. Did you do "emerge --sync" like some others suggested? I see a few libpng versions available, up to 1.2.16, $ ls /usr/portage/media-libs/libpng/*.ebuild /usr/portage/media-libs/libpng/libpng-1.2.14-r1.ebuild /usr/portage/media-libs/libpng/libpng-1.2.14.ebuild /usr/portage/media-libs/libpng/libpng-1.2.15.ebuild /usr/portage/media-libs/libpng/libpng-1.2.16.ebuild > --------------snip------------- > Lastly, how do you know that HAPPYMEAL is in the sun-hme module? Where > is the information indicating the functionality contained in each module? In the "make menuconfig" [Help] items. Also in menuconfig, you can search all the help text by typing "/" and entering some text. Generally, once you have your system configured to your satisfaction, you keep a copy of the kernel .config, and use that the next time you upgrade the kernel by copying it to the new kernel tree and doing "make oldconfig". -Jamie

May 23, 2007

Re: [Wlug] It boots. Now what?

by ken jones

I got HAPPYMEAL to work. My sparc64 is on the WEB! Here is result of ls -lad /etc/make.profile ----------snip---------- kjones-sun2 ~ # ls -lad /etc/make.profile lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 58 May 17 12:45 /etc/make.profile -> ../usr/portage/profiles/default-linux/sparc/sparc64/2006.1 -----------end snip--------- Here is result of emerge xorg-x11: How do I install from the tar.bz file? What is gentoo's equivalent of Red Hat's rpm? --------------snip------------- kjones-sun2 / # emerge xorg-x11 Calculating dependencies... done! >>> Emerging (1 of 12) media-libs/libpng-1.2.15 to / >>> Downloading http://distfiles.gentoo.org/distfiles/libpng-1.2.15.tar.bz2 --22:08:01-- http://distfiles.gentoo.org/distfiles/libpng-1.2.15.tar.bz2 => `/usr/portage/distfiles/libpng-1.2.15.tar.bz2' Resolving distfiles.gentoo.org... 216.165.129.135, 64.50.236.52, 64.50.238.52, ... Connecting to distfiles.gentoo.org|216.165.129.135|:80... connected. HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 200 OK Length: 624,008 (609K) [application/x-tar] 100%[===============================================================================>] 624,008 569.34K/s 22:08:02 (568.21 KB/s) - `/usr/portage/distfiles/libpng-1.2.15.tar.bz2' saved [624008/624008] >>> checking ebuild checksums ;-) >>> checking auxfile checksums ;-) >>> checking miscfile checksums ;-) >>> checking libpng-1.2.15.tar.bz2 !!! Missing digest for 'libpng-1.2.15.tar.bz2' ---------------end snip----------- Lastly, how do you know that HAPPYMEAL is in the sun-hme module? Where is the information indicating the functionality contained in each module? Ken Jones Eric Martin wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Make sure that you're building the sun happy meal ethernet card, and > load the module if you're building it as a module. I think it's sun-hme. > > As for building x, you want to > > emerge xorg-x11 > > It looks like your profile might be old, what does > ls -lad /etc/make.profile > > output? Note, don't add a trailing slash to make.profile > ken jones wrote: > >> I would like to get X11 services. I did an "emerge xterm". Here's what >> happened. >> ------------start snip------------- >> (chroot) livecd proc # emerge xterm >> Calculating dependencies | >> !!! All ebuilds that could satisfy ">=x11-proto/xproto-7.0.6" have been >> masked. >> !!! One of the following masked packages is required to complete your >> request: >> - x11-proto/xproto-7.0.7 (masked by: ~sparc keyword) >> - x11-proto/xproto-7.0.10 (masked by: ~sparc keyword) >> - x11-proto/xproto-7.0.9 (masked by: ~sparc keyword) >> >> For more information, see MASKED PACKAGES section in the emerge man page or >> refer to the Gentoo Handbook. >> (dependency required by "x11-libs/libX11-1.1.1-r1" [ebuild]) >> --------------end snip---------- >> >> What do I make of this? >> >> Another problem. My livecd prompt and my chroot prompt both see my >> ethernet card, eth0. However my new boot does not see the card. Ideas? >> >> Ken Jones >> _______________________________________________ >> Wlug mailing list >> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >> >> > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > > iD8DBQFGU6r7aiVxdKlBO58RAsX7AJ9+7bUiAndQkmdIs1kgpaTCPFNdGgCdHFDS > VLUnEq1EQVgM7JEpsXoPO6I= > =YTx9 > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > >

May 23, 2007

Re: [Wlug] Followup [Re: Follow-Up to Key Signing Party]

by Eric Martin

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 gpg --update-trustdb You might have to do it twice if trusting someone now leads you to trusting someone else. - -eric Gregory Avedissian wrote: > > Jamie Guinan wrote: > (...) >> gpg: 3 marginal(s) needed, 1 complete(s) needed, PGP trust model >> gpg: depth: 0 valid: 1 signed: 12 trust: 0-, 0q, 0n, 0m, 0f, 1u >> gpg: depth: 1 valid: 12 signed: 1 trust: 12-, 0q, 0n, >> 0m, 0f, 0u >> gpg: next trustdb check due at 2009-04-16 > > > Can anyone translate these lines? > > Also, when I signed keys this time, I wasn't asked what level of trust to > attach to my signature. When we did this a few years ago, I remember > having to answer or ignore that question, and my answers appear on those > old sigs. When I tried to edit the trust level on the newly signed keys, > it didn't seem to stick. > > > Greg > > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFGVCJIaiVxdKlBO58RAj+WAJ0bvjr+a85pP7TC5rwdJJXVVfGGogCfcHQt cNPE0b+ga2YUbSTabwXHbeQ= =blTI -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

May 23, 2007

Re: [Wlug] Followup [Re: Follow-Up to Key Signing Party]

by Gregory Avedissian

Jamie Guinan wrote: (...) > gpg: 3 marginal(s) needed, 1 complete(s) needed, PGP trust model > gpg: depth: 0 valid: 1 signed: 12 trust: 0-, 0q, 0n, 0m, 0f, 1u > gpg: depth: 1 valid: 12 signed: 1 trust: 12-, 0q, 0n, > 0m, 0f, 0u > gpg: next trustdb check due at 2009-04-16 Can anyone translate these lines? Also, when I signed keys this time, I wasn't asked what level of trust to attach to my signature. When we did this a few years ago, I remember having to answer or ignore that question, and my answers appear on those old sigs. When I tried to edit the trust level on the newly signed keys, it didn't seem to stick. Greg

May 23, 2007

Followup [Re: Follow-Up to Key Signing Party]

by Jamie Guinan

Ok, so I did, gpg --recv-keys ... [everyone's ID from the meeting ] gpg --fingerprint ... [ confirm fingerprints ] for key in ... ; do gpg --sign-key $key; done for key in ... ; do gpg --send-key $key; done Now "gpg --list-keys" shows all the keys I expected to see. And just now I did a "gpg --recv-keys <my ID>" and it said I had 6 new signatures, gpg: requesting key 103BA0B0 from hkp server pgp.mit.edu gpg: key 103BA0B0: "Jamie Guinan <guinan(a)bluebutton.com>" 6 new signatures gpg: 3 marginal(s) needed, 1 complete(s) needed, PGP trust model gpg: depth: 0 valid: 1 signed: 12 trust: 0-, 0q, 0n, 0m, 0f, 1u gpg: depth: 1 valid: 12 signed: 1 trust: 12-, 0q, 0n, 0m, 0f, 0u gpg: next trustdb check due at 2009-04-16 gpg: Total number processed: 1 gpg: new signatures: 6 I think that looks good. At some point I'll look into using it for email and other things, but at least the basics are there. -Jamie

May 23, 2007

Re: [Wlug] I got my sparc64 gentoo on the network

by Chuck Anderson

On Tue, May 22, 2007 at 10:51:20PM -0400, Eric Martin wrote: > Y means compile it into the kernel, so the code is always there. M > means compile it as a module (driver) so you can add / remove the code > as necessary. you can add modules that you want to > /etc/modules.autoload.d/kernel-2.X where x is the minor version number > (4, 6) and the kernel will automatically load the module. The other way > to do this is to > > modprobe <modulename> > > if you only need the code every so often. Or put it in /etc/modprobe.conf to load it on-demand, automatically, as needed. E.g.: alias eth0 sun-hme Don't forget to run depmod -ae after editing that file.

May 23, 2007

Re: [Wlug] I got my sparc64 gentoo on the network

by Eric Martin

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Y means compile it into the kernel, so the code is always there. M means compile it as a module (driver) so you can add / remove the code as necessary. you can add modules that you want to /etc/modules.autoload.d/kernel-2.X where x is the minor version number (4, 6) and the kernel will automatically load the module. The other way to do this is to modprobe <modulename> if you only need the code every so often. - -eric ken jones wrote: > Thank you for suggesting that I compare two dmesg boot message outputs. > > "grep eth0" on the dmesg outputthat worked referenced HAPPYMEAL. The > same 'grep' on the boot log that did not work had no HAPPYMEAL string. > > I had a 'CONFIG_HAPPYMEAL=m' line in .config. I changed it to > 'CONFIG_HAPPYMEAL=y' and recompiled using genkernel. > > NOW MY NEWLY BOOTED sparc64 IS NETWORKED. The sky's the limit. :-) > > What I do not understand is how do I know which Module contains which > functionality. If I had stuck with the '=m' config I should be able to > add a module at boot time. How do I know which module to add? > > Ken Jones > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFGU6wnaiVxdKlBO58RAr12AJ41AQp/WeY8BqZSNNuC5+o2oZ+snACfTQVZ SVhQJbz7PYgGmryzmRw6UgM= =BUgK -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

May 23, 2007

Re: [Wlug] gentoo on sparc64 portage question..

by Eric Martin

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Yeah, I had that same problem on one of my boxes and I'm pretty sure that fixed it. - -eric Eric Stein wrote: > It sounds like your portage tree hasn't been synced... the digest is the > hashes (md5 etc) for the tarballs. Try emerge --sync. > > Eric > > ken jones wrote: >> Please someone explain to me what is happening here. >> ---------------snip--------------------- >> (chroot) livecd dhcpcd # emerge dhcpcd >> Calculating dependencies... done! >> >>> Emerging (1 of 1) net-misc/dhcpcd-3.0.16-r1 to / >> >>> checking ebuild checksums ;-) >> >>> checking auxfile checksums ;-) >> >>> checking miscfile checksums ;-) >> >>> checking dhcpcd-3.0.16.tar.bz2 >> !!! Missing digest for 'dhcpcd-3.0.16.tar.bz2' >> (chroot) livecd dhcpcd # >> ---------------end snip---------------- >> Is this a successful emerge? If not, what do I do about the missing >> digest? Is there an emerge parameter that eliminates the sum check? I >> looked in 'man emerge' to no avail. >> >> emerge is supposed to install things. Instead of installations I get >> whatever this is. I can not "find" dhcpcd (a binary or a script) >> anywhere inside my machine. Is another step needed? >> >> Ken Jones >> _______________________________________________ >> Wlug mailing list >> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >> > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFGU6t4aiVxdKlBO58RAv3fAJ4kjsu3zCbRG40PG2wodC0H9A8AJQCfViS7 /yqSb74xRobqTZyb0MoJjH4= =X0T+ -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

May 23, 2007

Re: [Wlug] It boots. Now what?

by Eric Martin

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Make sure that you're building the sun happy meal ethernet card, and load the module if you're building it as a module. I think it's sun-hme. As for building x, you want to emerge xorg-x11 It looks like your profile might be old, what does ls -lad /etc/make.profile output? Note, don't add a trailing slash to make.profile ken jones wrote: > I would like to get X11 services. I did an "emerge xterm". Here's what > happened. > ------------start snip------------- > (chroot) livecd proc # emerge xterm > Calculating dependencies | > !!! All ebuilds that could satisfy ">=x11-proto/xproto-7.0.6" have been > masked. > !!! One of the following masked packages is required to complete your > request: > - x11-proto/xproto-7.0.7 (masked by: ~sparc keyword) > - x11-proto/xproto-7.0.10 (masked by: ~sparc keyword) > - x11-proto/xproto-7.0.9 (masked by: ~sparc keyword) > > For more information, see MASKED PACKAGES section in the emerge man page or > refer to the Gentoo Handbook. > (dependency required by "x11-libs/libX11-1.1.1-r1" [ebuild]) > --------------end snip---------- > > What do I make of this? > > Another problem. My livecd prompt and my chroot prompt both see my > ethernet card, eth0. However my new boot does not see the card. Ideas? > > Ken Jones > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFGU6r7aiVxdKlBO58RAsX7AJ9+7bUiAndQkmdIs1kgpaTCPFNdGgCdHFDS VLUnEq1EQVgM7JEpsXoPO6I= =YTx9 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

May 23, 2007

I got my sparc64 gentoo on the network

by ken jones

Thank you for suggesting that I compare two dmesg boot message outputs. "grep eth0" on the dmesg outputthat worked referenced HAPPYMEAL. The same 'grep' on the boot log that did not work had no HAPPYMEAL string. I had a 'CONFIG_HAPPYMEAL=m' line in .config. I changed it to 'CONFIG_HAPPYMEAL=y' and recompiled using genkernel. NOW MY NEWLY BOOTED sparc64 IS NETWORKED. The sky's the limit. :-) What I do not understand is how do I know which Module contains which functionality. If I had stuck with the '=m' config I should be able to add a module at boot time. How do I know which module to add? Ken Jones

May 23, 2007

Re: [Wlug] gentoo on sparc64 portage question..

by Eric Stein

It sounds like your portage tree hasn't been synced... the digest is the hashes (md5 etc) for the tarballs. Try emerge --sync. Eric ken jones wrote: > Please someone explain to me what is happening here. > ---------------snip--------------------- > (chroot) livecd dhcpcd # emerge dhcpcd > Calculating dependencies... done! > >>> Emerging (1 of 1) net-misc/dhcpcd-3.0.16-r1 to / > >>> checking ebuild checksums ;-) > >>> checking auxfile checksums ;-) > >>> checking miscfile checksums ;-) > >>> checking dhcpcd-3.0.16.tar.bz2 > !!! Missing digest for 'dhcpcd-3.0.16.tar.bz2' > (chroot) livecd dhcpcd # > ---------------end snip---------------- > Is this a successful emerge? If not, what do I do about the missing > digest? Is there an emerge parameter that eliminates the sum check? I > looked in 'man emerge' to no avail. > > emerge is supposed to install things. Instead of installations I get > whatever this is. I can not "find" dhcpcd (a binary or a script) > anywhere inside my machine. Is another step needed? > > Ken Jones > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

May 22, 2007

gentoo on sparc64 portage question..

by ken jones

Please someone explain to me what is happening here. ---------------snip--------------------- (chroot) livecd dhcpcd # emerge dhcpcd Calculating dependencies... done! >>> Emerging (1 of 1) net-misc/dhcpcd-3.0.16-r1 to / >>> checking ebuild checksums ;-) >>> checking auxfile checksums ;-) >>> checking miscfile checksums ;-) >>> checking dhcpcd-3.0.16.tar.bz2 !!! Missing digest for 'dhcpcd-3.0.16.tar.bz2' (chroot) livecd dhcpcd # ---------------end snip---------------- Is this a successful emerge? If not, what do I do about the missing digest? Is there an emerge parameter that eliminates the sum check? I looked in 'man emerge' to no avail. emerge is supposed to install things. Instead of installations I get whatever this is. I can not "find" dhcpcd (a binary or a script) anywhere inside my machine. Is another step needed? Ken Jones

May 22, 2007

Re: [Wlug] PXE 101 (summer school)

by Adam Keck

<oops... replied off list, reposting> http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/utils/boot/syslinux/ has the PXE server source that most distros use and http://syslinux.zytor.com/pxe.php talks about how to setup PXE, tftpd, and dhcpd (ISC). -Adam On 5/22/07, Doug Mildram <doug.mildram(a)mindspeed.com> wrote: > > doug> I too use PXE at work, with some success. > I could stand to learn more, and I sure as hell am still > looking for the "pxe daemon source code"...buried by intel?who? > while still running a redhat binary pxe daemon here. > > If every box had a bootable CD, it'd be easier to > just do that ...whether the CD is the stock CD, or one that > you customize a bit, which I've done; which is separate from > customizing the kickstart config file... > but realize as an opening comment, I may recommend that you > ignore PXE until you need it; ignore the boot-from-NIC potential. > > You're VERY welcome to torture me with questions, or visit Westboro > (work/days..it's quiet enough here) for some hands on confusion. > > It may be easier to LEARN PXE after learning "kickstart" without PXE. > e.g. booting from CD with > "linux ks=nfs:nfsserverip:/path/to/yourconfigfile.cfg" > and the .cfg file has MORE info like > ....some intro omitted..... > network ... (static,dhcp...it can install static > while USING a temp-dhcp installaddr) > part .... (disk layout) > authconfig ... ( --enablenis is my option) > nfs --server servername-or-ip --dir /path/releasedir > skipx (no X, dumb terminal consoles best for servers, right?) > %packages... > ...... > % post > exec > /KICKSTART.log 2>&1 > echo "hello..." > mkdir /customdir > mount nfsserver:/exporteddir /customdir > ( grab things, even edit files in / ....) > chkconfig --level 345 ntpd on > chkconfig --level 345 nfs on > ..............and so on. Tends to be a few hundred lines long. > > PXE does all this, but without the CD...and with more flaky results > depending on NIC cards, mostly, i think...I find it > just complicated enough to confuse me, > and just odd enough to NOT work in some cases. > > Challenges: 1) can't find the source to the pxe daemon, > which seems to have fallen OFF of the distros. > I feel "stuck" running a redhat9 binary (which works usually-for-me > on a redhat3-or-4 based system, just copying /usr/sbin/pxe > and firing it up manually (it often crashes after getting its job done) > > 2) complex dependencies. It needs > 2a) DHCP server, can be your existing one > 2b) TFTP server (this part is NOT complex, after you > learn some of the bootfile/dir layout) > as well as the (nfs,ftp,youdecide) server to grab packages from. > > What's confusing is how the PXE daemon and DHCP daemon play together. > When my boot fails, the error whines about DHCP even when PXE is the > problem. > >

May 22, 2007

Re: [Wlug] It boots. Now what?

by sageman＠WPI.EDU

> Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 09:16:18 -0400 > From: ken jones <kjones(a)ziplink.net> > Subject: [Wlug] It boots. Now what? > To: WLUG <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> > Message-ID: <4652ED22.5090802(a)ziplink.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > I would like to get X11 services. I did an "emerge xterm". Here's what > happened. > ------------start snip------------- > (chroot) livecd proc # emerge xterm > Calculating dependencies | > !!! All ebuilds that could satisfy ">=x11-proto/xproto-7.0.6" have been > masked. > !!! One of the following masked packages is required to complete your > request: > - x11-proto/xproto-7.0.7 (masked by: ~sparc keyword) > - x11-proto/xproto-7.0.10 (masked by: ~sparc keyword) > - x11-proto/xproto-7.0.9 (masked by: ~sparc keyword) > > For more information, see MASKED PACKAGES section in the emerge man page > or > refer to the Gentoo Handbook. > (dependency required by "x11-libs/libX11-1.1.1-r1" [ebuild]) > --------------end snip---------- > > What do I make of this? > > Another problem. My livecd prompt and my chroot prompt both see my > ethernet card, eth0. However my new boot does not see the card. Ideas? > > Ken Jones Ken, Pulling in xterm, it needs libX11, which, in turn, is pulling in xproto. For the sparc, a masked version of xproto seems to be required. This masking with the "~" is just saying it's in the "testing" set of packages, but it's not hardmasked (it would mention it if it was), meaning it *should* be stable. Regardless, you need the "unstable" version in order to get xterm. There's a number of ways to deal with this, but the suggested way is to add the necessary files, one by one, to /etc/portage/package.unmask. You can do this by adding a line with "x11-proto/xproto ~sparc", or, even better, using the flagedit utility (which you must first "emerge flagedit" to get), and just do: "flagedit x11-proto/xproto +~sparc". [http://damz.net/flagedit/] More info on masking: http://gentoo-wiki.com/Masked

May 22, 2007

Re: [Wlug] [Fwd: Re: Multiple RS232 Com Ports...]

by John Stoffel

Stephen> Lots of good info... I hadn't stopped to think about a Stephen> terminal server! They're a great way to get a bunch of serial ports, especially since they can be on the network and near the equipment to manage, but not near the server room, etc. Stephen> OK, lets see about answering some of the questions... Stephen> - - - - - - Stephen> Yes, cabling will be fun. The sondes are used for sampling Stephen> water... The sondes we use are cylinders approximately 2.5 Stephen> feet in length and about 3 inches in diameter (one, called Stephen> "big Bertha", is about six inches in diameter) . One end has Stephen> a data connection that uses a round, screw-on, water tight Stephen> serial connector, and the business end has several sensors Stephen> sticking out (optical, chemical, conductivity, a little Stephen> propeller for mixing water to be sampled, etc., etc.), all Stephen> within a screw-on cage that protects the sensors from stuff Stephen> like rocks passing by in the current (fast currents equate to Stephen> rather large rocks). Not a problem. If you already have the DB9 -> screw on connectors, you should be all set. Stephen> The idea is to have a tank of water (fish tank, cooler, Stephen> whatever) fitted with Plexiglas that has multiple holes Stephen> through which the several sondes are positioned upright, data Stephen> end pointing up, with a bunch of cables hanging in-place Stephen> above each sonde - think of the device that sets the bowling Stephen> pins in place at the end of the alley... Sounds like a good plan. Stephen> Anyway, you place a bunch of sondes into the tank (that has Stephen> circulating water being maintained at a precise temp, % Stephen> dissolved Oxygen, and so on), plug each sonde into the cable Stephen> available directly above it, and then go to the *insert Linux Stephen> solution here* and initiate communication, data upload, and Stephen> calibration routines. (By the way, the tank is just about Stephen> done - its is being debugged as we speak.) This is the key part here, and the one which I think is quite easy to do. As you mentioned before, the sondes have their own built-in menu structure, so they must provide some basic serial support. So I think that you'll be able to easily talk to them. Esp if you only need to use 'hyperterm' on Windows to talk to them. Heck, I bet you probably don't even need all the serial pins to talk to them, but getting hold of the documentation from the vendor is the key thing obviously. Stephen> After upload and calibration (using the water in the tank), Stephen> configure each sonde for the next deployment (how often to Stephen> sample, etc.), turn them off, unscrew the cables and screw on Stephen> a waterproof cover, remove them from the tank, and place the Stephen> entire sonde into another protective chamber (6" PVC pipe Stephen> with holes drilled in a specific pattern and capped on both Stephen> ends) for another few weeks in some river/lake/coastal Stephen> location. I'd seperate the calibration and the configuration steps, probably into seperate scripts. This way you can just say: calibrate 12 And the calibrate script knows how to go and find serial line 12, which is hanging over slot 12 and drive a sonde. Then you just have: config 12 -i <interval> ... Which again, knows how to talk to cable 12 to configure your settings. You can even have the script just prompt for all the settings and then it goes off and does the work. You hide all the knowledge of how you actually get to serial port 12 in either a library shared between the scripts, or in a configuration file. Something like: 1 /dev/ttyS1 2 /dev/ttyC0 12 termserver1:7001 13 termserver1:7002 This tells the script which port to access. The nice thing about a terminal server is that they're actually quite easy to drive over the network. Esp if the serial port doesn't need a ton of hand holding. And in this case, once you've got the configuration setup properly, you can just set *all* the ports to that setup and forget about it. Stephen> Yes, I may be confusing myself regarding "I/O device driver" Stephen> versus "driver" for the sonde... However, I'm pretty sure Stephen> that all I need is a vanilla "RS232 device driver" that will Stephen> "just work" for any number of "com" ports by allowing some Stephen> vanilla terminal emulation package (preferably one that has Stephen> scripting capabilities) to talk to multiple RS232 ports. Exactly. You just want some way to talk to a bunch of ports in a simple manner. Heck, I'd even look into using 'expect' to drive the 'c-kermit' program to do the serial port connections. I even found an article on the web which talks about using c-kermit as the scripting language itself. Also, there's an expect script which will follow along with you as you do a sample session, and then let you play back the session again and again. The script is called 'autoexpect' and can be found with a bit of poking... on my Debian box it's in /usr/share/doc/expect-dev/examples/autoexpect* which is a pain since you have to install the development package to get it. Oh well... Stephen> I could be wrong about this, in which case I may need to Stephen> write some code, or perhaps the manufacturer might be Stephen> thinking of supporting Linux. I don't think you'll need to get the manufacturer involved at all, beyond figure out exactly what the serial connection settings are, and the command language. But you will need to script out some stuff using something like 'expect' or 'c-kermit' to do the work. This shouldn't be too hard, esp if they calibration part is very mechanical and doesn't change. Stephen> I don't do the day-to-day instrumentation work, but I am Stephen> supposed to worry about it none the less. In terms of the Stephen> "sondes going to sleep", this is based on concerns expressed Stephen> by the lab along the lines of "if you hook-up the sonde and Stephen> let it sit too long, you have to start over because it will Stephen> turn itself off." Oh, this shouldn't be a problem, unless you have to do something funky to bring it back to life. I assume that the scientists hook up a sonde, run (walk, saunter...) back to the PC and start they're interaction over the serial line to configure sutff? And if they walk away for a coffee and the Sonde waits at a prompt too long, it shuts down? In that case, expect will do just great, since you'll be automating all the boring parts of talking to these things. Stephen> Also, I use the term "vanilla" a lot because the staff aren't Stephen> computer types - this has to "just work" like any other tool Stephen> in the lab. Dear lord - we are talking about biology types Stephen> after all! ;-) (Unlike engineering/geoscience types!!) Hey, Biologists are scientists too! They just like squishy living stuff more than the cold hard electrical stuff we like. :] Stephen> So, the other question was about the necessity of having Stephen> certain signals present. Again, I'm told that the sonde Stephen> needs all the signals present in a DB-9. I'm guessing this Stephen> may have more to do with not really knowing for sure and Stephen> erring on the side of caution, but since there is hardware Stephen> available that will do this and I can't spend all of my time Stephen> chasing this down, I'll assume the information I'm getting on Stephen> this topic is correct. (Biologists not withstanding.) Just do a quick test with a standard calbe and you'll know more. Stephen> I think this is where the multiport boards or a terminal Stephen> server would come in... One of the replies mentioned writing Stephen> a script, and that is what I was thinking about... Stephen> Specifically, I was wondering if it could be as simple as a Stephen> script sending the proper bit patterns to get the sonde to do Stephen> the right things, pipe the serial data through the script and Stephen> append the data to a file, and s on... (Was that you, John?) Yup, that was me. And don't get too low level here, you won't be sending bit patterns, not unless these things are more cryptic than has been made out to be. Could you fire up a copy of hyperterm and take a log of some sample interaction with these devices? THat would answer alot of questions. Stephen> Anyway, I'll have to take a look at the product references Stephen> mentioned and contemplate what I might need to do in the Stephen> world of scripting... I haven't heard back from the Stephen> manufacturer yet, but I'm hoping this will turn out to be a Stephen> simple project when all is said and done!! Also, I haven't Stephen> used a terminal server before, so that should be interesting Stephen> as well. Just hook one Sonde upto a linux box using serial port /dev/ttyS1 and fire up kermit like this: > kermit -l /dev/ttyS1 c-kermit> set speed 9600 c-kermit> c <hit return> a couple of times and see what happens. You can escape back to the c-kermit mode with Control-\ I think, It will tell you. Thne you can try other speeds. You might have to do: c-kermit> set carrier-watch off if it whines at you about that. Or change the speeds, etc. Just find out what settings they use in hyperterm and you'll be all set. Really, this isn't going to be that hard at all. And just automating this process will make you alot of friends down there in the lab. Cheers, John

May 22, 2007

Re: [Wlug] Setting up PXE/TFTBoot

by Mike Leo

no, but i bet these guys have some doc's for you http://www.ltsp.org/ ----- Original Message ---- From: Tal Cohen <wlug(a)cohen123.com> To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2007 9:34:32 AM Subject: [Wlug] Setting up PXE/TFTBoot  I know that this is not new technology….but I am having quite a time figuring this out. I was hoping that you guys could give me a hand. In my office, I want to setup a system that will provide a boot image over the network so that I can remotely setup and configure new servers. I am running Crux2.3. Does anyone have experience setting up remote booting systems? Thanks, Tal _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

May 22, 2007

Re: [Wlug] Setting up PXE/TFTBoot

by Adam Keck

Hello Tal, I use PXE frequently at work. Can you explain your process and where you run into trouble? -Adam On 5/22/07, Tal Cohen <wlug(a)cohen123.com> wrote: > > I know that this is not new technology….but I am having quite a time > figuring this out. I was hoping that you guys could give me a hand. > > > > In my office, I want to setup a system that will provide a boot image over > the network so that I can remotely setup and configure new servers. > > > > I am running Crux2.3. > > > > Does anyone have experience setting up remote booting systems? > > > > Thanks, > Tal > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > >

May 22, 2007

Re: [Wlug] It boots. Now what?

by John Stoffel

ken> I would like to get X11 services. I did an "emerge xterm". Here's what ken> happened. ken> ------------start snip------------- ken> (chroot) livecd proc # emerge xterm ken> Calculating dependencies | ken> !!! All ebuilds that could satisfy ">=x11-proto/xproto-7.0.6" have been ken> masked. ken> !!! One of the following masked packages is required to complete your ken> request: ken> - x11-proto/xproto-7.0.7 (masked by: ~sparc keyword) ken> - x11-proto/xproto-7.0.10 (masked by: ~sparc keyword) ken> - x11-proto/xproto-7.0.9 (masked by: ~sparc keyword) ken> For more information, see MASKED PACKAGES section in the emerge man page or ken> refer to the Gentoo Handbook. ken> (dependency required by "x11-libs/libX11-1.1.1-r1" [ebuild]) ken> --------------end snip---------- ken> What do I make of this? It looks to me like you've turned off X11 support into your Gentoo config file(s) somewhere. I haven't used Gentoo in years and years, but I remember there was some place to set up defaults. In this case, you could also just try doing: emerge x11-libs and see what happens. Hmmm... google is your friend here. Look at /etc/portage/packages* and add or remove the lines which are blocking the X11 install. ken> Another problem. My livecd prompt and my chroot prompt both see ken> my ethernet card, eth0. However my new boot does not see the ken> card. Ideas? Send the output of dmesg after boot from both a working and non-working setup. Sounds to me like you haven't compiled the proper driver in your kernel for the hardware. John

May 22, 2007

Setting up PXE/TFTBoot

by Tal Cohen

I know that this is not new technology..but I am having quite a time figuring this out. I was hoping that you guys could give me a hand. In my office, I want to setup a system that will provide a boot image over the network so that I can remotely setup and configure new servers. I am running Crux2.3. Does anyone have experience setting up remote booting systems? Thanks, Tal

May 22, 2007

It boots. Now what?

by ken jones

I would like to get X11 services. I did an "emerge xterm". Here's what happened. ------------start snip------------- (chroot) livecd proc # emerge xterm Calculating dependencies | !!! All ebuilds that could satisfy ">=x11-proto/xproto-7.0.6" have been masked. !!! One of the following masked packages is required to complete your request: - x11-proto/xproto-7.0.7 (masked by: ~sparc keyword) - x11-proto/xproto-7.0.10 (masked by: ~sparc keyword) - x11-proto/xproto-7.0.9 (masked by: ~sparc keyword) For more information, see MASKED PACKAGES section in the emerge man page or refer to the Gentoo Handbook. (dependency required by "x11-libs/libX11-1.1.1-r1" [ebuild]) --------------end snip---------- What do I make of this? Another problem. My livecd prompt and my chroot prompt both see my ethernet card, eth0. However my new boot does not see the card. Ideas? Ken Jones

May 22, 2007

Re: [Wlug] [Fwd: Re: Multiple RS232 Com Ports...]

by Stephen Daukas

Hi all! Lots of good info... I hadn't stopped to think about a terminal server! OK, lets see about answering some of the questions... - - - - - - Yes, cabling will be fun. The sondes are used for sampling water... The sondes we use are cylinders approximately 2.5 feet in length and about 3 inches in diameter (one, called "big Bertha", is about six inches in diameter) . One end has a data connection that uses a round, screw-on, water tight serial connector, and the business end has several sensors sticking out (optical, chemical, conductivity, a little propeller for mixing water to be sampled, etc., etc.), all within a screw-on cage that protects the sensors from stuff like rocks passing by in the current (fast currents equate to rather large rocks). The idea is to have a tank of water (fish tank, cooler, whatever) fitted with Plexiglas that has multiple holes through which the several sondes are positioned upright, data end pointing up, with a bunch of cables hanging in-place above each sonde - think of the device that sets the bowling pins in place at the end of the alley... Anyway, you place a bunch of sondes into the tank (that has circulating water being maintained at a precise temp, % dissolved Oxygen, and so on), plug each sonde into the cable available directly above it, and then go to the *insert Linux solution here* and initiate communication, data upload, and calibration routines. (By the way, the tank is just about done - its is being debugged as we speak.) After upload and calibration (using the water in the tank), configure each sonde for the next deployment (how often to sample, etc.), turn them off, unscrew the cables and screw on a waterproof cover, remove them from the tank, and place the entire sonde into another protective chamber (6" PVC pipe with holes drilled in a specific pattern and capped on both ends) for another few weeks in some river/lake/coastal location. - - - - - - Yes, I may be confusing myself regarding "I/O device driver" versus "driver" for the sonde... However, I'm pretty sure that all I need is a vanilla "RS232 device driver" that will "just work" for any number of "com" ports by allowing some vanilla terminal emulation package (preferably one that has scripting capabilities) to talk to multiple RS232 ports. I could be wrong about this, in which case I may need to write some code, or perhaps the manufacturer might be thinking of supporting Linux. I don't do the day-to-day instrumentation work, but I am supposed to worry about it none the less. In terms of the "sondes going to sleep", this is based on concerns expressed by the lab along the lines of "if you hook-up the sonde and let it sit too long, you have to start over because it will turn itself off." Also, I use the term "vanilla" a lot because the staff aren't computer types - this has to "just work" like any other tool in the lab. Dear lord - we are talking about biology types after all! ;-) (Unlike engineering/geoscience types!!) - - - - - - So, the other question was about the necessity of having certain signals present. Again, I'm told that the sonde needs all the signals present in a DB-9. I'm guessing this may have more to do with not really knowing for sure and erring on the side of caution, but since there is hardware available that will do this and I can't spend all of my time chasing this down, I'll assume the information I'm getting on this topic is correct. (Biologists not withstanding.) I think this is where the multiport boards or a terminal server would come in... One of the replies mentioned writing a script, and that is what I was thinking about... Specifically, I was wondering if it could be as simple as a script sending the proper bit patterns to get the sonde to do the right things, pipe the serial data through the script and append the data to a file, and s on... (Was that you, John?) - - - - - - - Anyway, I'll have to take a look at the product references mentioned and contemplate what I might need to do in the world of scripting... I haven't heard back from the manufacturer yet, but I'm hoping this will turn out to be a simple project when all is said and done!! Also, I haven't used a terminal server before, so that should be interesting as well. Thanks! If you have any more thoughts, please let me know!! Steve On 5/21/07, Stephen C. Daukas <scd(a)daukas.com> wrote: > > > > -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: [Wlug] Multiple RS232 > Com Ports... Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 15:44:09 -0400 From: John Stoffel > <john(a)stoffel.org> <john(a)stoffel.org> Reply-To: Worcester Linux Users > Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> To: Worcester Linux Users > Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> References: > <4650752A.1020203(a)daukas.com> <4650752A.1020203(a)daukas.com> > <18001.54171.525952.976484(a)stoffel.org><18001.54171.525952.976484(a)stoffel.org> > <20070521181244.GH4900(a)angus.ind.WPI.EDU><20070521181244.GH4900(a)angus.ind.WPI.EDU> > > Chuck> On Mon, May 21, 2007 at 01:15:07PM -0400, John Stoffel wrote: > >> darn good things about the Cyclades stuff as well. Stay away from the > >> Legacy Avocent (who bought Cyclades...) serial port stuff, it's crap. > > Chuck> Hmm I have to disagree here. We have the Avocent/Cyclades ACS line > Chuck> and are very happy with them. They run Linux inside and support many > Chuck> connection protocols, like Telnet, SSH, Reverse Telnet, Bidirectional, > Chuck> etc. Full RTS/CTS control lines including DTR are available. They > Chuck> support console logging to RAM, PCMCIA flash card, or remote syslog. > > Chuck> Perhaps you are referring to their older Cyclades TS line. > > I'm talking about the old Avocent designed CPS line of crap. You're > talking about the Cyclades designed stuff, including the TS and the > ACS. > > I've got an ancient Cyclom-Y ISA 8-port serial card in my main home > computer and it's been working great for for years. Wish I could > afford the newer stuff. > > John > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > >

May 22, 2007

Re: [Wlug] Multiple RS232 Com Ports...

by John Stoffel

Chuck> On Mon, May 21, 2007 at 01:15:07PM -0400, John Stoffel wrote: >> darn good things about the Cyclades stuff as well. Stay away from the >> Legacy Avocent (who bought Cyclades...) serial port stuff, it's crap. Chuck> Hmm I have to disagree here. We have the Avocent/Cyclades ACS line Chuck> and are very happy with them. They run Linux inside and support many Chuck> connection protocols, like Telnet, SSH, Reverse Telnet, Bidirectional, Chuck> etc. Full RTS/CTS control lines including DTR are available. They Chuck> support console logging to RAM, PCMCIA flash card, or remote syslog. Chuck> Perhaps you are referring to their older Cyclades TS line. I'm talking about the old Avocent designed CPS line of crap. You're talking about the Cyclades designed stuff, including the TS and the ACS. I've got an ancient Cyclom-Y ISA 8-port serial card in my main home computer and it's been working great for for years. Wish I could afford the newer stuff. John

May 21, 2007

Re: [Wlug] Multiple RS232 Com Ports...

by Mike Frysinger

On 5/21/07, Stephen Daukas <scd(a)daukas.com> wrote: > The *how* is the heart of my question... If you mean how physically, that's > a matter of cable and such. what sort of magic cable ... ive seen implementations where it's a pci card that hooks up in the back to some octopus monstrosity which is where the rs232 comes in ... > The driver question is, again, what I was looking into. If Linux has > support for multiple RS232s built in > to one or more generic drivers in a given distro, then we are talking about > terminal emulation - a.k.a. > VT100 or ANSI or whatever. you're confusing things i think ... the kernel has drivers for different devices and that driver exports the multiple device nodes in /dev/ for userspace to utilize the important part is making sure a driver exists for your hardware in terms of other serial devices, there are no real limits in the tty layer > How do the RS232 FIFO/Interrupts get managed via USB? In other words, each > of the RS232s will need to have its "pin-outs" (DB-9) active so the sondes > believe they are connected in order to avoid their "turning off". the driver worries about it ? userspace just sees a serial device in /dev/ for it to open/configure/write ... if you're interested in looking at the actual implementation, you should just read the device driver in the kernel source -mike

May 21, 2007

Re: [Wlug] Multiple RS232 Com Ports...

by Chuck Anderson

On Mon, May 21, 2007 at 01:15:07PM -0400, John Stoffel wrote: > darn good things about the Cyclades stuff as well. Stay away from the > Legacy Avocent (who bought Cyclades...) serial port stuff, it's crap. Hmm I have to disagree here. We have the Avocent/Cyclades ACS line and are very happy with them. They run Linux inside and support many connection protocols, like Telnet, SSH, Reverse Telnet, Bidirectional, etc. Full RTS/CTS control lines including DTR are available. They support console logging to RAM, PCMCIA flash card, or remote syslog. Perhaps you are referring to their older Cyclades TS line.

May 21, 2007

Re: [Wlug] Multiple RS232 Com Ports...

by John Stoffel

Stephen> I'm wondering if anyone knows how many RS232 devices a Stephen> "vanilla" Linux kernel can manage simultaneously. I'd like Stephen> to be able to have up to 32 going at once, with data taken Stephen> from each device written to its own file via the standard I/O Stephen> subsystem. Not a problem, Linux can handle bunches of serial devices. But, the question to me becomes which way is more efficient: 1) buying multiport serial cards such as Cyclades Z series, or 2) buying a Cyclades or Digi terminal server instead, which has the number of ports you need. Stephen> As far as I know, wouldn't Linux simply fork the appropriate Stephen> number of driver threads to read as many RS232 ports as are Stephen> attached with each device's stream written to a "/dev" file? There's two questions here to answer. First, Linux is good at supporting lots of devices on a system. Second, reading each device is really a per-process thing, or you could have a single process reading each port in turn. It's a totally seperate issue really. Stephen> Why do I want to do this? Glad you asked... Actually, I was asking until you wrote this. Thanks for the interesting details! Stephen> I'm investigating an issue at work that involves our Stephen> instrumentation lab having to upload/download/calibrate Stephen> multiple sondes and have them ready for field deployment the Stephen> next day. Currently, we can do three at a time and this Stephen> takes about 8-9 hours providing everything goes well. Ouch. That must be some involved work you need to do here. Stephen> The manufacturer's software application claims to supports Stephen> the simultaneous upload/config of up to 32 sondes. The Stephen> application will scan "installed" COM ports looking for Stephen> recognizable sondes, and present those found to the user. Yes Stephen> - this is a windows solution, so I first began looking for Stephen> products that would play with Windows... Ugh... run screamming! Stephen> I began looking for hardware solutions (PCI boards, break-out Stephen> boxes, etc.) on the net and I found a few that will provide Stephen> 16 DB-9 RS232 ports with full pin-out support as well as Stephen> so-called "true" interrupt and FIFO support on the host (via Stephen> their own custom Windows driver, no doubt). Why are you looking for this in particular? Do the sondes require XON/XOFF or full RTS/CTS flow control? If they have/require full hardware flow control, most high-end multiport boards should be just fine. As well as any of the multiport terminal servers. I'm particularly partial to the Digi CM32 model right now. I've heard darn good things about the Cyclades stuff as well. Stay away from the Legacy Avocent (who bought Cyclades...) serial port stuff, it's crap. Stephen> And then I started wondering about how to get all of this to Stephen> work in a Windows environment where "IT" is the only group Stephen> allowed to install software and otherwise configure a PC for Stephen> most users whose biggest concern is email... The horrors of windows application support. Stephen> All this got me thinking about avoiding the whole Windows Stephen> issue and instead thinking about using Linux to take care of Stephen> the RS232 part, with the newly created files moved to a Stephen> Windows box (sneakernet to start with), with the normal Stephen> post-processing of the data taking place as usual in the Stephen> Windows environment the staff is used to... Stephen> I'm hoping an "out of the box" distro will be able to handle Stephen> say 16 RS232 ports and that Linux-based terminal emulation Stephen> software is available to simultaneously handle those ports as Stephen> well so I can capture the data using the appropriate Stephen> protocols... Anyone know of a similar application using Stephen> RS232 and Linux, or have some thoughts on this? None of this is a problem. And in terms of handling the ports, I'd probably just write a perl or expect script to do the actually driving of the ports and the handling of the on-sonode menus to grab the data you want. Basically, you'd just have a script which takes a serial port as the input parameter and just drives the port as needed. For example, make sure the Perl Expect::Bundle is installed: > sudo perl -MCPAN -e 'install Bundle::Expect' And then you should be able to open up a serial port connected to a Sonde and talk to it. It's really pretty easy, once you get over the humps. :] Good luck! John

May 21, 2007

My Ultra sparc64 booted!!

by ken jones

Thank you everybody for your help. My sparc64 finally booted. I used genkernel with the livecd cdrom's kernel 2617 /proc/config.gz. The last piece of the puzzle was getting fstab correct. Here is proof. -----------snip of uname -a ----------------------- kjones-sun2 / # uname -a Linux kjones-sun2 2.6.20-gentoo-r5 #3 SMP Thu May 17 13:58:22 Local time zone must be set--see zic sparc64 sun4u GNU/Linux kjones-sun2 / # -------------end snip-------------- I am not sure whether I learned anything specific to gentoo or to sparc64. I did learn that creating good open source documentation is difficult and that finding one's way through unfamiliar documentation is daunting. Thanks, again. Ken Jones

May 21, 2007

Re: [Wlug] Multiple RS232 Com Ports...

by Karl Hiramoto

Stephen Daukas wrote: > > On 5/21/07, *Karl Hiramoto* <karl(a)hiramoto.org > <mailto:karl@hiramoto.org>> wrote: > > Mike Frysinger wrote: > > On 5/20/07, Stephen C. Daukas <scd(a)daukas.com > <mailto:scd@daukas.com>> wrote: > > > >> I'm wondering if anyone knows how many RS232 devices a > "vanilla" Linux > >> kernel can manage simultaneously. > >> > > > > there shouldnt be any real limit ... at work, we have ~24 > USB<->RS232 > > devices hooked up and we use them all simultaneously to interact > with > > some hardware > > > > > >> I'd like to be able to have up to 32 > >> going at once, with data taken from each device written to its > own file via > >> the standard I/O subsystem. As far as I know, wouldn't Linux > simply fork > >> the appropriate number of driver threads to read as many RS232 > ports as are > >> attached with each device's stream written to a "/dev" file? > >> > > > > i'd be more worried about *what* the devices are and *how* you > connect > > your 32 devices to the machine ... making sure linux has proper > device > > driver support for it > > -mike > > > The *how* is the heart of my question... If you mean how physically, > that's a matter of cable and such. > The driver question is, again, what I was looking into. If Linux has > support for multiple RS232s built in > to one or more generic drivers in a given distro, then we are talking > about terminal emulation - a.k.a. > VT100 or ANSI or whatever. Currently, the lab uses hyperterminal to > talk with the sondes - the sondes > are intelligent and provide a tty-based menu for command and control. > The devices are known, so the > *what* isn't really an open question. > > > > Yes, there should be no real limit.. At work i have use multile > Edgeport/8 http://www.digi.com/products/usb/edgeport.jsp > devices to have may rs-232 ports > > > How do the RS232 FIFO/Interrupts get managed via USB? In other words, > each of the RS232s will need to have its "pin-outs" (DB-9) active so > the sondes believe they are connected in order to avoid their "turning > off". Also, is it safe to assume the edgeport has its own drivers? > > Regards, > Steve Take a look at: /usr/src/linux/drivers/usb/serial/io_edgeport.c What do you mean by turning off Sondes? your sensors? Your sensors, may read the rs-232 flow control pins, If the port is open() then they probably won't turn off. What ever program you write will be a lot of string parsing to send and receive data. I believe it is the case with all the USB/Serial adapter drivers that the driver polls over USB the usb/serial converter device. -- karl.

May 21, 2007

Re: [Wlug] Multiple RS232 Com Ports...

by Stephen Daukas

On 5/21/07, Karl Hiramoto <karl(a)hiramoto.org> wrote: > > Mike Frysinger wrote: > > On 5/20/07, Stephen C. Daukas <scd(a)daukas.com> wrote: > > > >> I'm wondering if anyone knows how many RS232 devices a "vanilla" Linux > >> kernel can manage simultaneously. > >> > > > > there shouldnt be any real limit ... at work, we have ~24 USB<->RS232 > > devices hooked up and we use them all simultaneously to interact with > > some hardware > > > > > >> I'd like to be able to have up to 32 > >> going at once, with data taken from each device written to its own file > via > >> the standard I/O subsystem. As far as I know, wouldn't Linux simply > fork > >> the appropriate number of driver threads to read as many RS232 ports as > are > >> attached with each device's stream written to a "/dev" file? > >> > > > > i'd be more worried about *what* the devices are and *how* you connect > > your 32 devices to the machine ... making sure linux has proper device > > driver support for it > > -mike The *how* is the heart of my question... If you mean how physically, that's a matter of cable and such. The driver question is, again, what I was looking into. If Linux has support for multiple RS232s built in to one or more generic drivers in a given distro, then we are talking about terminal emulation - a.k.a. VT100 or ANSI or whatever. Currently, the lab uses hyperterminal to talk with the sondes - the sondes are intelligent and provide a tty-based menu for command and control. The devices are known, so the *what* isn't really an open question. > > Yes, there should be no real limit.. At work i have use multile > Edgeport/8 http://www.digi.com/products/usb/edgeport.jsp devices to > have may rs-232 ports How do the RS232 FIFO/Interrupts get managed via USB? In other words, each of the RS232s will need to have its "pin-outs" (DB-9) active so the sondes believe they are connected in order to avoid their "turning off". Also, is it safe to assume the edgeport has its own drivers? Regards, Steve

May 21, 2007

Re: [Wlug] Multiple RS232 Com Ports...

by Karl Hiramoto

Mike Frysinger wrote: > On 5/20/07, Stephen C. Daukas <scd(a)daukas.com> wrote: > >> I'm wondering if anyone knows how many RS232 devices a "vanilla" Linux >> kernel can manage simultaneously. >> > > there shouldnt be any real limit ... at work, we have ~24 USB<->RS232 > devices hooked up and we use them all simultaneously to interact with > some hardware > > >> I'd like to be able to have up to 32 >> going at once, with data taken from each device written to its own file via >> the standard I/O subsystem. As far as I know, wouldn't Linux simply fork >> the appropriate number of driver threads to read as many RS232 ports as are >> attached with each device's stream written to a "/dev" file? >> > > i'd be more worried about *what* the devices are and *how* you connect > your 32 devices to the machine ... making sure linux has proper device > driver support for it > -mike > > Yes, there should be no real limit.. At work i have use multile Edgeport/8 http://www.digi.com/products/usb/edgeport.jsp devices to have may rs-232 ports -- Karl Hiramoto http://karl.hiramoto.org/ US VOIP: (1) 603.966.4448 Spain Casa (34) 951.273.347 Spain Mobil (34) 617.463.826 Yahoo_IM = karl_hiramoto GTalk= karl.hiramoto [at] gmail [d0t] com -- I have that old biological urge, I have that old irresistible surge, I'm hungry.

May 21, 2007

Re: [Wlug] Multiple RS232 Com Ports...

by Mike Frysinger

On 5/20/07, Stephen C. Daukas <scd(a)daukas.com> wrote: > I'm wondering if anyone knows how many RS232 devices a "vanilla" Linux > kernel can manage simultaneously. there shouldnt be any real limit ... at work, we have ~24 USB<->RS232 devices hooked up and we use them all simultaneously to interact with some hardware > I'd like to be able to have up to 32 > going at once, with data taken from each device written to its own file via > the standard I/O subsystem. As far as I know, wouldn't Linux simply fork > the appropriate number of driver threads to read as many RS232 ports as are > attached with each device's stream written to a "/dev" file? i'd be more worried about *what* the devices are and *how* you connect your 32 devices to the machine ... making sure linux has proper device driver support for it -mike

May 20, 2007

Multiple RS232 Com Ports...

by Stephen C. Daukas

Hi all! I'm wondering if anyone knows how many RS232 devices a "vanilla" Linux kernel can manage simultaneously. I'd like to be able to have up to 32 going at once, with data taken from each device written to its own file via the standard I/O subsystem. As far as I know, wouldn't Linux simply fork the appropriate number of driver threads to read as many RS232 ports as are attached with each device's stream written to a "/dev" file? Why do I want to do this? Glad you asked... I'm investigating an issue at work that involves our instrumentation lab having to upload/download/calibrate multiple sondes and have them ready for field deployment the next day. Currently, we can do three at a time and this takes about 8-9 hours providing everything goes well. The manufacturer's software application claims to supports the simultaneous upload/config of up to 32 sondes. The application will scan "installed" COM ports looking for recognizable sondes, and present those found to the user. Yes - this is a windows solution, so I first began looking for products that would play with Windows... I began looking for hardware solutions (PCI boards, break-out boxes, etc.) on the net and I found a few that will provide 16 DB-9 RS232 ports with full pin-out support as well as so-called "true" interrupt and FIFO support on the host (via their own custom Windows driver, no doubt). And then I started wondering about how to get all of this to work in a Windows environment where "IT" is the only group allowed to install software and otherwise configure a PC for most users whose biggest concern is email... All this got me thinking about avoiding the whole Windows issue and instead thinking about using Linux to take care of the RS232 part, with the newly created files moved to a Windows box (sneakernet to start with), with the normal post-processing of the data taking place as usual in the Windows environment the staff is used to... I'm hoping an "out of the box" distro will be able to handle say 16 RS232 ports and that Linux-based terminal emulation software is available to simultaneously handle those ports as well so I can capture the data using the appropriate protocols... Anyone know of a similar application using RS232 and Linux, or have some thoughts on this? Thanks! Steve

May 20, 2007

Fwd: Urgent Need for Software QA Instructor in Boston, MA

by albutler33＠netscape.net

Hello all, Here's an opportunity I thought I'd pass along. Al Butler member of WLUG (haven't attended for quite a while) -----Original Message----- From: april01(a)o-s-tech.com To: albutler33(a)netscape.net Sent: Thu, 17 May 2007 8:59 PM Subject: Urgent Need for Software QA Instructor in Boston, MA Dear Aljerin, Open Systems Technology Services has an urgent need for an experienced Software Quality Assurance Instructor. Topics Software development life cycle-the product view Software configuration management (SCM) Software quality assurance Testing, validating and evaluating Special topics Planning, organizing, implementing and managing for SQA ------------------- Location: Boston, MA Date: June 11-13 Rate: $300 day/ 1099 Please let me know ASAP if you are available or know of someone who have experience teaching Linux. Classes will begin at 8am each day. Introduction to Linux, 3 days March 19th - 21st Linux Admin I, 5 days March 26th - 30th Linux Admin II, 5 days April 9th - 13t Rate: $500.00/day Job Description: . If you are available, email your resume (in word format) and availability with a contact number by 5:00pm, Monday, May 21, 2007. Thank you, April Washington Open Systems Technology Services, Inc. Email: April01(a)o-s-tech.com ________________________________________________________________________ Check Out the new free AIM(R) Mail -- 2 GB of storage and industry-leading spam and email virus protection.

May 20, 2007

ALSA hanging (Gentoo AMD64)

by Eric Stein

Hi all, I have a very strange problem. Last night I updated all my packages and rebooted. On boot, alsasound started (boot runlevel), but while trying to restore mixer levels, it hung. I had to boot to a livecd and remove alsasound from boot to even start my system. I tried removing the old state file (in case the format changed and it was breaking because of that), but it wouldn't start without it. glamdring ~ # /etc/init.d/alsasound start * One of the files in /etc/{conf.d,init.d} or /etc/rc.conf * has a modification time in the future! * Loading ALSA modules ... [ ok ] * Restoring Mixer Levels ... * No mixer config in /var/lib/alsa/asound.state, you have to unmute your card! [ ok ] glamdring ~ # cd /var/lib/alsa/ glamdring alsa # l total 9 drwxr-xr-x 3 root root 152 May 17 16:26 ./ drwxr-xr-x 23 root root 568 May 17 03:17 ../ -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 May 17 16:26 .keep_media-sound_alsa-utils-0.9 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 8073 May 17 12:50 asound.state.old drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 144 May 17 12:50 oss/ glamdring alsa # mv asound.state.old asound.state glamdring alsa # cd glamdring ~ # /etc/init.d/alsasound zap * Manually resetting alsasound to stopped state. glamdring ~ # /etc/init.d/alsasound start * Loading ALSA modules ... [ ok ] * Restoring Mixer Levels ... Which is where it hangs. Other alsa programs like alsaconf and alsamixer hang on startup, along with programs that attempt to use ALSA to output sound. I've tried reinstalling ALSA, I've tried revdep-rebuild, I've done modules-rebuild, and I'm at my wit's end. None of it seems to make sense, and Gnome isn't very happy about not having a sound output, so half of my GUI is missing. If anyone has some idea why this could be happening to me, please let me know. Eric

May 18, 2007

OT: HP9k E-class

by Desdinova

A bit OT, if you can reply off-list, that's fine. I just figure there's probably guys who know about crappy old minis here. I've got an E25 and I'm planning to replace the internal scsi drive, it shouldn't be any big deal, but this *is* HP. Are there any gotchas on drive geometry or size that I should watch for? Take care, des

May 17, 2007

Re: [Wlug] Follow-Up to Key Signing Party

by Jamie Guinan

On Thu, 17 May 2007, Eric Martin wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Thanks to everyone who showed up to tonight's key signing party. Now > that we verified everybody had the correct key info and identification, > we actually have to sign each other's keys. We are using the keyserver > pgp.mit.edu. If that isn't your default, you can set it either in > ~/.gnupg/gpg.conf or at the command line for each command by using the > argument > - --keyserver pgp.mit.edu Is the "hkp://" prefix needed in gpg.conf? keyserver hkp://pgp.mit.edu > Below is an excerpt from the gpg Key Signing Party HowTo that explains > things in detail.(http://www.rubin.ch/pgp/kspa/gpg-party.en.html#ss3.8): > > 3.8 How to sign others' keys > > Step 1: Get a copy of the key > > Normally, you'll be working from a keyserver. However if you are signing > the key that is not available on a keyserver, you can use simply import > the key with gpg --import. If you are working with a keyserver, the > following command will download the key from the keyserver into your > public keyring. > > bash$ gpg --keyserver <keyserver> --recv-keys <Key_ID> > > If you get a read error, it means the keyserver is overloaded. Please, > try again in a few seconds. That worked Ok. > > Step 2: Fingerprint and Verify the key > > bash$ gpg --fingerprint <Key_ID> That too. > GPG will print out the fingerprint of the Key with <Key_ID > (the key > you just downloaded). Check the fingerprint against the checklist that > you where given at the party. Note: Don't check the fingerprint on your > checklist against the fingerprint on the web page as the server may not > send you the same key it displays on the web page. > > Step 3: Sign the key > > bash$ gpg --sign-key <Key_ID> Ok. > > If you have multiple private keys, you can specify which of your private > keys to sign the other persons public key with like this: > > bash$ gpg --default-key <Key_to_use> --sign-key <Key_ID> > > Step 4: Return or Upload the signed key > > If you are working with an entity which does not want their key on a > public keyserver, you should at this point you should return their > signed key back to them by their method of choice - normally encrypted > email. You should not send a public key to a keyserver with out the > permission of the key's owner. Publicizing a public key slightly reduces > the security of a key pair, therefor it is considered rude to make a key > more public than its owner desires. > > Most likely you are working with a keyserver. If that is the case, you > can send the signed key back to the keyserver like this: > > bash$ gpg --keyserver <keyserver> --send-key <Key_ID> > > You should see a success message like this: > > gpg: success sending to `<keyserver>' (status=200) > Congratulations, the signature of the other entity's key is now complete > and your signature has been incorporated into their public key. A trust > path has been established. This looked different for me, $ gpg --send-key A9413B9F gpg: sending key A9413B9F to hkp server pgp.mit.edu $ No affirmative response, it just returned to the prompt. But the exit code was 0. $ echo $? 0 -Jamie [ not yet using gpg for mail ]

May 17, 2007

Follow-Up to Key Signing Party

by Eric Martin

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Thanks to everyone who showed up to tonight's key signing party. Now that we verified everybody had the correct key info and identification, we actually have to sign each other's keys. We are using the keyserver pgp.mit.edu. If that isn't your default, you can set it either in ~/.gnupg/gpg.conf or at the command line for each command by using the argument - --keyserver pgp.mit.edu Below is an excerpt from the gpg Key Signing Party HowTo that explains things in detail.(http://www.rubin.ch/pgp/kspa/gpg-party.en.html#ss3.8): 3.8 How to sign others' keys Step 1: Get a copy of the key Normally, you'll be working from a keyserver. However if you are signing the key that is not available on a keyserver, you can use simply import the key with gpg --import. If you are working with a keyserver, the following command will download the key from the keyserver into your public keyring. bash$ gpg --keyserver <keyserver> --recv-keys <Key_ID> If you get a read error, it means the keyserver is overloaded. Please, try again in a few seconds. Step 2: Fingerprint and Verify the key bash$ gpg --fingerprint <Key_ID> GPG will print out the fingerprint of the Key with <Key_ID > (the key you just downloaded). Check the fingerprint against the checklist that you where given at the party. Note: Don't check the fingerprint on your checklist against the fingerprint on the web page as the server may not send you the same key it displays on the web page. Step 3: Sign the key bash$ gpg --sign-key <Key_ID> If you have multiple private keys, you can specify which of your private keys to sign the other persons public key with like this: bash$ gpg --default-key <Key_to_use> --sign-key <Key_ID> Step 4: Return or Upload the signed key If you are working with an entity which does not want their key on a public keyserver, you should at this point you should return their signed key back to them by their method of choice - normally encrypted email. You should not send a public key to a keyserver with out the permission of the key's owner. Publicizing a public key slightly reduces the security of a key pair, therefor it is considered rude to make a key more public than its owner desires. Most likely you are working with a keyserver. If that is the case, you can send the signed key back to the keyserver like this: bash$ gpg --keyserver <keyserver> --send-key <Key_ID> You should see a success message like this: gpg: success sending to `<keyserver>' (status=200) Congratulations, the signature of the other entity's key is now complete and your signature has been incorporated into their public key. A trust path has been established. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFGS+VsaiVxdKlBO58RAs3xAJ0W7SyjfbQtwHwDaHeWG5EgeWWXzgCfQ8pT W40gnhPVnkQ3u7E1jbXALvU= =GM/c -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

May 17, 2007

Re: [Wlug] PGP Key Signing Party

by Gregory Avedissian

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Here's my fingerprint: pub 1024D/5DC682A4 2004-04-17 [expires: 2009-04-16] Key fingerprint = 4DF6 E8E1 5521 6ECC 7A3E E7F0 BF02 ADEA 5DC6 82A4 Greg Avedissian -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFGS8i0vwKt6l3GgqQRAui5AJ4my59DCPMhLXnwIsZSLvvL3Qh62ACeMLt1 hJHV/oml3PBTo5117s9YXOA= =NO0Y -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

May 17, 2007

Last-Minute Emergency, Unable to Attend

by Terry S

Hello, I had a phone call at 6:07 that required me to go out for a while, and did not have time to email. (I'm the one with the camera.) Hopefully, someone else just "happened" to have one, but I can take pictures at our next meeting if needed. How did the key-signing go? Terry

May 17, 2007

Re: [Wlug] large file performance on linux

by Jeff Moyer

==> On Wed, 16 May 2007 22:19:14 +0000, brad noyes <maitre(a)ccs.neu.edu> said: brad> All, brad> here's a summary of what i have tried so far. I have tried using the O_DIRECT brad> and O_SYNC flags with open(2) and i have been using a non-journalling brad> filesystem, ext2. None of these options have yielded any better performance at brad> the rates i'm looking for. brad> I have not tried AIO. AIO will allow you to drive your disk subsystem better than synchronous writes; I really think this would solve your problem. For an example of an AIO app, you can google for aio-stress.c. Or, send me some code and I'll help get you started. -Jeff

May 16, 2007

Re: [Wlug] large file performance on linux

by brad noyes

All, here's a summary of what i have tried so far. I have tried using the O_DIRECT and O_SYNC flags with open(2) and i have been using a non-journalling filesystem, ext2. None of these options have yielded any better performance at the rates i'm looking for. I have not tried AIO. I don't think i can use a non 32-bit kernel on the xeons. Correct me if i'm wrong (it's happened before). As a temporary solution i created a memory filesystem, by $> mount -t tmpfs tmpfs -o size=6G /data/memory The writes are fast however i need another process to progressively move data out of the memory filesystem since i don't have enough memory to hold all 22GB of data i need. For those interested i have attached a small program which will use different options to open and profile the fwrite calls. To compile simply do $> sh ./testwrite.c $> ./testwrite -h $> ./testwrite -l 16 file.out I just wanted to keep you all updated. Thanks for all your help. I'll keep trying various ideas. I wish i could make it to the meeting to buy you all pizza for your help. Perhaps next month. Thanks, -- Brad

May 16, 2007

Re: [Wlug] Meeting tomight

by Brains

freak4uxxx(a)gmail.com wrote: > I might be slightly delayed tonight, small family thing that needs to be taken care of. I shouldn't be late but I just wanted to let people know. > > -Eric I suspect a lot of people are going to be running a little late this evening, including me... Frank "Rain, sleet, or snow, the LUGman marches on..."

May 16, 2007

Meeting tomight

by freak4uxxx＠gmail.com

I might be slightly delayed tonight, small family thing that needs to be taken care of. I shouldn't be late but I just wanted to let people know. -Eric

May 16, 2007

Re: [Wlug] PGP Key Signing Party

by Mike

Sorry guys. I don't think I am going to be showing up to do the inclement weather. If you see anyone posing as me, well, then it is not me. I can always trade keys w/ peeps next time. Cheers, Mike <quote who="Andy Stewart"> > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Eric Martin wrote: >> Just a reminder that we are having a PGP Key Signing Party tomorrow for >> WLUG. If you're name isn't listed below, I do not have your info (and >> you should get it to me if you want to be on the list). I know Andy >> said noon tomorrow but I'll take stuff until 4pm. Don't forget your two >> forms of ID and I'll see you tomorrow. >> >> Eric Martin >> Gregory M. Avedissian >> Walt Sawyer >> Alexander Pennace >> Doug Mildram >> Keith Wright >> Alex Weiss >> Andrew M. Stewart >> James Philip Gray >> >> -Eric > > HI Eric, > > Thanks for sending out the meeting reminder! > > I'll see you all on Wednesday evening with my shiny new passport. :-) > > Later, > > Andy > > > - -- > Andy Stewart, Founder > Worcester Linux Users' Group (http://www.wlug.org) > Chelmsford Linux Meetup Group (http://linux.meetup.com/393) > Amateur Radio: KB1OIQ > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > > iD8DBQFGSkvGHl0iXDssISsRApWmAJ9HpIERvKHryJXnIeBo8ZfoJnqBygCeIF2I > tQxc9xAb6JDHR8dbSTc3yNA= > =v7Xx > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > -- They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security, deserve neither liberty or security --Ben Franklin

May 16, 2007