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Re: [Wlug] Old laptop for sale - $5.00

by Michael Long

Hi Adam, Have you had any takers. I am in need of a laptop for a woman who is bedridden and in a lot of pain. She is still sharp and is looking to be able to communicate with others online. Does this laptop have a wireless card or at least the capabilities for adding one? Thanks, Mike From: Adam Keck [mailto:ghostis@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, November 06, 2009 9:44 AM To: Worcester Linux Users Group Subject: [Wlug] Old laptop for sale - $5.00 Hi All, I have an ancient laptop that I am done playing with. Would anyone like it? Gateway Solo 2000, model 9100 http://people.usd.edu/~djennewe/solo9100.html P150 MMX 192MB of RAM 2 GB HD Composite video in/out Audio in/out CDROM (needs some fiddling to keep shut) 3.5 inch floppy drive 2x USB 1.1 PS/2 ~13.3 inch XGA screen (I think) CHIPS 65554 graphics PCMCIA slot for network etc Some case damage to the hinge area, but it still opens and closes correctly. Please reply off-list, if you are interested. Thanks! -Adam

Nov. 6, 2009

Old laptop for sale - $5.00

by Adam Keck

Hi All, I have an ancient laptop that I am done playing with. Would anyone like it? Gateway Solo 2000, model 9100 http://people.usd.edu/~djennewe/solo9100.html P150 MMX 192MB of RAM 2 GB HD Composite video in/out Audio in/out CDROM (needs some fiddling to keep shut) 3.5 inch floppy drive 2x USB 1.1 PS/2 ~13.3 inch XGA screen (I think) CHIPS 65554 graphics PCMCIA slot for network etc Some case damage to the hinge area, but it still opens and closes correctly. Please reply off-list, if you are interested. Thanks! -Adam

Nov. 6, 2009

Re: [Wlug] HSI Vent Maybe Help?

by Mike Frysinger

On Wednesday 04 November 2009 13:11:53 Richard Klein wrote: > On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 11:33 AM, Chuck Anderson <cra(a)wpi.edu> wrote: > > On Wed, Nov 04, 2009 at 09:17:54AM -0500, Ted Nebus wrote: > >> Is there a more linux-friendly HSI provider in Worcester? > > > > Speakeasy. > > Seconded. Speakeasy's support, even for Linux, is top-notch, but you > rarely need it. > http://speakeasy.net/ +1 there. when i had it in Worcestor, it was slightly more than Verizon, but they were friendly and actively supportive of Linux/server/multiple computer setups way before it was fashionable. it didnt take much for them to consider you technical and treat you accordingly rather than assuming you're stupid from the get go (and still assuming you're stupid even after you've corrected them -- thanks Verizon!). -mike

Nov. 5, 2009

Re: [Wlug] HSI Vent Maybe Help?

by Mike Frysinger

On Wednesday 04 November 2009 22:14:02 Clint Moyer wrote: > Why is it relevant which OSes they do or do not support? It's all the > same internet. The only reason any ISP gives you a CD is to install some > half-assed "wizard" app or free crapware. > > I've used Charter for years and its always worked with Linux and > Windows. The one time I had a problem, the tech on the phone found that > he couldn't ping my router. The OS on the other side is a non-factor. while true, the reality is that when you call ISP tech support, the majority of them have a check list and/or script to go through. many of those items include asking about the OS and making sure it's configured properly. just because you're tech savvy doesnt mean the guy you're talking to is, or that the ton of people who call to bitch about the internet being down are either. the ISPs are interested in making money, not really supporting customers. so just because a few customers use "linux" and are having problems, it's no sweat off their backs to not support it. also, your experience doesnt directly correlate to all setups and ISPs. some people have a crappy little linksys/netgear/whatever router connected to the modem, or the modem itself takes care of the entire connection stack and doesnt require host side software (which is often the case with cable users), or the modem is simply there to wiggle lines and requires quite a bit of software install/setup on the machine connected to it. while the OS doesnt matter in the first examples, dsl frequently falls into the latter category in which case the connected OS absolutely matters. if you know what's going on, just lie and say it's windows or an off-the-shelf linksys router. when they ask for random info, do the translation in your head: you want me to do start menu -> run -> ipconfig ? oh, so you want my IP address, np. -mike

Nov. 5, 2009

Re: [Wlug] HSI Vent Maybe Help?

by Mike Frysinger

On Thursday 05 November 2009 14:40:35 Joe Riopel wrote: > I have been using Charter as well, since they have offered cable > broadband access. I did have Verizon DSL before that, for about a > year, and I had a horrible experience. My experience with Verizon had > nothing to do with my operating system, it had to do with the ancient > copper that was in my house. > > I do remember having to use Roaring Peguin's PPoE client with Mandrake > 7.2. It established a connection at boot. I guess if I had a router in > place I wouldn't have had to do that. > http://www.roaringpenguin.com/products/pppoe the westell modems verizon gives out nowadays are basically routers. the days of directly running the PPPoE stack are past. you get a router with unstable firmware that does DHCP/DNS/NAT (and related services) all controllable from a slow web interface. part of the setup is to tell the modem your username & password and it worries about the connection. you can tell it to autoreconnect and thus stay on all the time. while you can bypass all the shitty services by telling the modem to use your own linux router as the DMZ, the actual connection must still be managed in the modem. the other advantage here is that you dont have to worry about the web interface and/or firmware crashing on you when you try to do simple things like reconfigure some network settings. my experience the last few months is that even though ive bypassed all the services (my linux router is the DMZ), the modem sometimes needs to be kicked (i.e. power cycled). this happens about once a month i guess. some of the time, i even need to go in to the web interface and click the "reconnect" link even though the connection is configured as "auto reconnect". -mike

Nov. 5, 2009

Re: [Wlug] HSI Vent Maybe Help?

by Joe Riopel

On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 10:14 PM, Clint Moyer <cdmoyer(a)charter.net> wrote: > I've used Charter for years and its always worked with Linux and > Windows. The one time I had a problem, the tech on the phone found that > he couldn't ping my router. The OS on the other side is a non-factor. I have been using Charter as well, since they have offered cable broadband access. I did have Verizon DSL before that, for about a year, and I had a horrible experience. My experience with Verizon had nothing to do with my operating system, it had to do with the ancient copper that was in my house. I do remember having to use Roaring Peguin's PPoE client with Mandrake 7.2. It established a connection at boot. I guess if I had a router in place I wouldn't have had to do that. http://www.roaringpenguin.com/products/pppoe

Nov. 5, 2009

Re: [Wlug] HSI Vent Maybe Help?

by Keith Wright

> From: Clint Moyer <cdmoyer(a)charter.net> > > Why is it relevant which OSes they do or do not > support? It's all the same internet. The only reason > any ISP gives you a CD is to install some half-assed > "wizard" app or free crapware. Ditto that. "We don't support Linux" really means "We are cheap phone answering droids. We do not understand the technology we sell." I have had Speakeasy DSL for several years and am quite satisfied, although it is a bit expensive. There are two different kinds of problems that you might have, roughly hardware and software. The hardware is all the same wires, but a good ISP can tell you how your modem looks from the other end of the wire. A bad ISP just tries to blame the problem on you, without any attempt to diagnose it. A short description of my hardware problems and how I solved most of them by cutting out some sketchy wiring in my basement and installing a DSL splitter is here: http://www.free-comp-shop.com/DSL.html Don't use the cheapo filters that plug into the wire between the phone jack and the telephones. Get a proper splitter. The other kind of problem is software, by which I do not mean the OS. That is irrelevant. I run a primary name server from my basement, and Speakeasy provides a secondary. To do that, Speakeasy must set up reverse DNS, and pull zone files from my server. This required them to actually do some work to "support" me. I found them to be knowledgeable and responsive. They answer email withing a few hours, even if it is sent at 3:00 am Sunday. There were a few problems coordinating what needed to be done on my end and theirs, but the problems were solved by a few email exchanges in the dead of night. I put some notes I wrote here: http://www.free-comp-shop.com/spk.html If all you want is a web browser, this is probably overkill, but it feels good to actually communicate with a person who knows something. I was a bit worried when they were bought by Best Buy, but it doesn't seem to caused a disaster yet. -- Keith

Nov. 5, 2009

Re: [Wlug] HSI Vent Maybe Help?

by Clint Moyer

Why is it relevant which OSes they do or do not support? It's all the same internet. The only reason any ISP gives you a CD is to install some half-assed "wizard" app or free crapware. I've used Charter for years and its always worked with Linux and Windows. The one time I had a problem, the tech on the phone found that he couldn't ping my router. The OS on the other side is a non-factor. Clint On Wed, 2009-11-04 at 09:17 -0500, Ted Nebus wrote: > Hi! > > I am new to the area, and a long time Linux user (not uber geek, just user). > > I signed up for Verizon HSI. I finally got service yesterday, I rushed > hope plugged in my equipment, and called up to tell them their > "start-up" CD won't work. I wanted to know how to work around that. > > I worked through the menu, and entered non-Windows, Non-Mac OS X > operating system. I was actually excited to find out that I had that > option! When I got through, I explained my problem, and after he asked > me to spell "Debian" I knew I was in trouble. After putting me on > hold, he told me that he had to check his notes, and gave me a number, > and told me to call it, because I have a Mac. I explained to him that > I don't have a Mac, and then he said to call the number. > > I called, and it was the number for Linksys customer support. > > I called back, and fortunately got through to someone who knew that > Linux was an operating system. He said they don't support linux, but > then helped me anyway. Ultimately, they found out my line is broken > and a tech will be coming. > > Why would Verizon give me false hope that they support non-PC and > non-Mac operating system? Is there a more linux-friendly HSI provider > in Worcester? > > Thanks for hearing me out, > > Ted > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Nov. 5, 2009

Re: [Wlug] HSI Vent Maybe Help?

by Steven Greenberg

I guess I was lucky. Verizon did not offer DSL in my area so I went with Charter. Of course, I am not running Linux at home, so I cannot attest to how the service would be. How about borrowing a friend's MS laptop and getting the connection to work? Then switch to using your Linux machine. That will be one way to see where the real problem lies. /Steve -- Steven Greenberg Email: steve(a)ssgreenberg.name 251 Holland Rd. Phone: (774)241-0095 Fiskdale, Massachusetts 01518-1231 Web: http://www.ssgreenberg.name Other Email: s.greenberg(a)ieee.org ssg(a)alum.mit.edu

Nov. 5, 2009

Re: [Wlug] HSI Vent Maybe Help?

by Chuck Anderson

On Wed, Nov 04, 2009 at 05:13:57PM -0500, Richard Klein wrote: > On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 4:57 PM, David P. Connell <davec99(a)charter.net> wrote: > > I have to say that not one person I know with residential Verizon DSL in > > Worcester has had a successful experience - Windows or otherwise. Of > > course, the people that are happy don't make any noise. Charter with Linux > > is very simple - after all, adding a router is like adding a tiny computer > > that doesn't have anything but the most basic OS on it anyhow. I think > > Verizon's problems are related to the quality of the ancient phone lines > > that run through the trees between the rows of houses in neighborhoods. Now > > that I think of it, my ex-wife's DSL at her office in downtown Main Street > > wasn't too bad (but she didn't need Linux support). I have also heard that > > Speakeasy is a reliable company, but I have no personal experience with > > them. > > FWIW, Speakeasy DSL comes over the same copper as Verizon. Yes, no matter which DSL provider you choose, its all still crappy Verizon copper. Most of the problems I've had with DSL are the crappy wiring inside my apartment complex. The ancient cloth insulated, 3-wire braided telephone cable was picking up interference from an exerior sodium flood light that was misbehaving. Every night at about 6pm, the circuit would bounce every 3 minutes through the whole night until about 8am the next morning. It was only later after the problem had stopped that I found out that the light had been misbehaving and was replaced right at the same time my problems stopped. Technically, I believe the phone company (Verizon) would need to repair/replace that ancient wiring, since it is behind my Network Interface Device (NID, the thing with the Test Jack on it). Speakeasy doesn't use crappy PPPoE/username/password authentication like Verizon does. It is straight IP-over-Ethernet out of the DSL modem, with static addressing, no DHCP. DHCP would even be fine, it is just the hack known as IP-over-PPP-over-Ethernet which sucks.

Nov. 4, 2009

Re: [Wlug] HSI Vent Maybe Help?

by Richard Klein

On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 4:57 PM, David P. Connell <davec99(a)charter.net> wrote: > I have to say that not one person I know with residential Verizon DSL in > Worcester has had a successful experience - Windows or otherwise. Of > course, the people that are happy don't make any noise. Charter with Linux > is very simple - after all, adding a router is like adding a tiny computer > that doesn't have anything but the most basic OS on it anyhow. I think > Verizon's problems are related to the quality of the ancient phone lines > that run through the trees between the rows of houses in neighborhoods. Now > that I think of it, my ex-wife's DSL at her office in downtown Main Street > wasn't too bad (but she didn't need Linux support). I have also heard that > Speakeasy is a reliable company, but I have no personal experience with > them. FWIW, Speakeasy DSL comes over the same copper as Verizon. -- Rich Sent from Marlborough, MA, United States

Nov. 4, 2009

Re: [Wlug] HSI Vent Maybe Help?

by David P. Connell

I have to say that not one person I know with residential Verizon DSL in Worcester has had a successful experience - Windows or otherwise. Of course, the people that are happy don't make any noise. Charter with Linux is very simple - after all, adding a router is like adding a tiny computer that doesn't have anything but the most basic OS on it anyhow. I think Verizon's problems are related to the quality of the ancient phone lines that run through the trees between the rows of houses in neighborhoods. Now that I think of it, my ex-wife's DSL at her office in downtown Main Street wasn't too bad (but she didn't need Linux support). I have also heard that Speakeasy is a reliable company, but I have no personal experience with them. Good luck. Chuck Anderson wrote: > On Wed, Nov 04, 2009 at 09:17:54AM -0500, Ted Nebus wrote: > >> Is there a more linux-friendly HSI provider in Worcester? >> > > Speakeasy. > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > -- David P. Connell davec99(a)charter.net M: 508-450-7902

Nov. 4, 2009

Re: [Wlug] HSI Vent Maybe Help?

by Brian Conway

On Wed, 4 Nov 2009, Gary Hanley wrote: > On Wed, 4 Nov 2009, Ted Nebus wrote: >> I signed up for Verizon HSI. > > So I'm thinking, what is "HSI". Is there a new broadband product that > I haven't heard of? So I went to the Verizon site and as far as I can > tell they've renamed their previous DSL offerings as HSI for High > Speed Internet. > > Is this the case? What was the point of that? Simple marketing, or is > it in fact a different product built on DSL? . > Probably just marketing. DSL has been beat down pretty badly by cable companies recently. Not that I blame them, what place is there for 7 Mbit DSL when I can get 50+ Mbps cable or fibre? Not in Worcester, mind you, but... Brian

Nov. 4, 2009

Re: [Wlug] HSI Vent Maybe Help?

by Richard Klein

On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 1:33 PM, Gary Hanley <gary(a)hanley.net> wrote: > > So I'm thinking, what is "HSI". Is there a new broadband product that > I haven't heard of? So I went to the Verizon site and as far as I can > tell they've renamed their previous DSL offerings as HSI for High > Speed Internet. > > Is this the case? What was the point of that? Simple marketing, or is > it in fact a different product built on DSL? . A lot of people seem to have the mis-conception that DSL is necessarily slower than cable. -- Rich Sent from Marlborough, MA, United States

Nov. 4, 2009

Re: [Wlug] HSI Vent Maybe Help?

by Gary Hanley

On Wed, 4 Nov 2009, Ted Nebus wrote: > I signed up for Verizon HSI. So I'm thinking, what is "HSI". Is there a new broadband product that I haven't heard of? So I went to the Verizon site and as far as I can tell they've renamed their previous DSL offerings as HSI for High Speed Internet. Is this the case? What was the point of that? Simple marketing, or is it in fact a different product built on DSL? . -- Gary

Nov. 4, 2009

Re: [Wlug] HSI Vent Maybe Help?

by Richard Klein

On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 11:33 AM, Chuck Anderson <cra(a)wpi.edu> wrote: > On Wed, Nov 04, 2009 at 09:17:54AM -0500, Ted Nebus wrote: >> Is there a more linux-friendly HSI provider in Worcester? > > Speakeasy. Seconded. Speakeasy's support, even for Linux, is top-notch, but you rarely need it. http://speakeasy.net/ -- Rich Sent from Marlborough, MA, United States

Nov. 4, 2009

Re: [Wlug] Wlug Digest, Vol 73, Issue 1

by Ted Nebus

> > What model modem did they give you, and are you using a separate router? > > Greg I am just using the one computer, no router independent of the DSL modem, if im not mistaken Its a westell. The default User/PW is admin and password (for anyone in the future who has this problem). I will likely get a wireless router after I get a laptop for work (Im a researcher for a labor union). > On Wed, Nov 04, 2009 at 09:17:54AM -0500, Ted Nebus wrote: >> Is there a more linux-friendly HSI provider in Worcester? > > Speakeasy. Thanks, if I continue having trouble I will seek out speakeasy. Ted

Nov. 4, 2009

Re: [Wlug] HSI Vent Maybe Help?

by j＠jimbodude.net

They are not. Mention Linux and you get "Sorry, we don't support Linux. I can't help you with your problem." or the famous "What is Linux?" It took me almost a month to convince them that my line was bad and to send a technician out... They were not interested in any issues that I proved on my own. JCialdea On Wed, 4 Nov 2009 12:13:48 -0500, Randy Cole <randyokc(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Chuck, > Your other choice would be Charter, which is the cable company. As for > whether they are Linux friendly I don't know. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Chuck Anderson <cra(a)WPI.EDU> > Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2009 11:33 AM > To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > Subject: Re: [Wlug] HSI Vent Maybe Help? > > On Wed, Nov 04, 2009 at 09:17:54AM -0500, Ted Nebus wrote: >> Is there a more linux-friendly HSI provider in Worcester? > > Speakeasy. > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Nov. 4, 2009

Re: [Wlug] HSI Vent Maybe Help?

by Randy Cole

Chuck, Your other choice would be Charter, which is the cable company. As for whether they are Linux friendly I don't know. -----Original Message----- From: Chuck Anderson <cra(a)WPI.EDU> Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2009 11:33 AM To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org Subject: Re: [Wlug] HSI Vent Maybe Help? On Wed, Nov 04, 2009 at 09:17:54AM -0500, Ted Nebus wrote: > Is there a more linux-friendly HSI provider in Worcester? Speakeasy. _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Nov. 4, 2009

Re: [Wlug] HSI Vent Maybe Help?

by Chuck Anderson

On Wed, Nov 04, 2009 at 09:17:54AM -0500, Ted Nebus wrote: > Is there a more linux-friendly HSI provider in Worcester? Speakeasy.

Nov. 4, 2009

Re: [Wlug] HSI Vent Maybe Help?

by Gregory Avedissian

Hi, Ted! Welcome to Wormtown. Sounds like you got some good support from Verizon, if the person actually helped you after you said you were using linux. I've never had good luck with that. Sometimes I lie and say I'm using windows, and sometimes I tell the truth. Mostly, I don't call Verizon tech support because, 1. I rarely have problems with the service, and 2. when I do, they're generally less than helpful. Ignore the CD they gave you. Assuming they gave you a combination modem/router, all you have to do is open a web browser and put in the address, 192.168.1.1 to get to the router setup utility. If you can get to that point, a Verizon tech can step you through it. With DSL, it's just a matter of setting it to PPOE and entering your Verizon username and password. (and turning off or securing the open wireless and maybe even remote administration that are default settings, and possibly turning on the firewall.) What model modem did they give you, and are you using a separate router? Greg Ted Nebus wrote: > Hi! > > I am new to the area, and a long time Linux user (not uber geek, just user). > > I signed up for Verizon HSI. I finally got service yesterday, I rushed > hope plugged in my equipment, and called up to tell them their > "start-up" CD won't work. I wanted to know how to work around that. > > I worked through the menu, and entered non-Windows, Non-Mac OS X > operating system. I was actually excited to find out that I had that > option! When I got through, I explained my problem, and after he asked > me to spell "Debian" I knew I was in trouble. After putting me on > hold, he told me that he had to check his notes, and gave me a number, > and told me to call it, because I have a Mac. I explained to him that > I don't have a Mac, and then he said to call the number. > > I called, and it was the number for Linksys customer support. > > I called back, and fortunately got through to someone who knew that > Linux was an operating system. He said they don't support linux, but > then helped me anyway. Ultimately, they found out my line is broken > and a tech will be coming. > > Why would Verizon give me false hope that they support non-PC and > non-Mac operating system? Is there a more linux-friendly HSI provider > in Worcester? > > Thanks for hearing me out, > > Ted > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

Nov. 4, 2009

HSI Vent Maybe Help?

by Ted Nebus

Hi! I am new to the area, and a long time Linux user (not uber geek, just user). I signed up for Verizon HSI. I finally got service yesterday, I rushed hope plugged in my equipment, and called up to tell them their "start-up" CD won't work. I wanted to know how to work around that. I worked through the menu, and entered non-Windows, Non-Mac OS X operating system. I was actually excited to find out that I had that option! When I got through, I explained my problem, and after he asked me to spell "Debian" I knew I was in trouble. After putting me on hold, he told me that he had to check his notes, and gave me a number, and told me to call it, because I have a Mac. I explained to him that I don't have a Mac, and then he said to call the number. I called, and it was the number for Linksys customer support. I called back, and fortunately got through to someone who knew that Linux was an operating system. He said they don't support linux, but then helped me anyway. Ultimately, they found out my line is broken and a tech will be coming. Why would Verizon give me false hope that they support non-PC and non-Mac operating system? Is there a more linux-friendly HSI provider in Worcester? Thanks for hearing me out, Ted

Nov. 4, 2009

Re: [Wlug] grep, maybe

by Randall Mason

On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 1:06 PM, Brett Russ <icycle(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 12:48 PM, Randall Mason <clashthebunny(a)gmail.com> > wrote: > > grep -RFl "moe" somedirectory/ | while read file; do echo mv "`dirname > > "$file"`" "destination_path"; done > > Good suggestion. For this to work, I think you need to add the '-l' > (lowercase L) option to grep such that it only prints *names* of files > with matching lines instead of every matching line in the file. Brett brings up a good point here. I think all of the above have had lowercase L's in them, but it looks like an uppercase i. Copy and paste solves this problem, but you could then run into the issue of all on one line problems. I'm sorry I didn't specify that. All of my above command should be run on one line and the RFl is AR-EF-el. And, > to avoid seeing lots of errors with moving directories with multiple > matching files, add a test to the dirname to see that it exists before > trying to move it. > > Something like this: > > grep -l -RFI "moe" <search-space> | while read file;do dd=`dirname > $file`; [ -d $dd ] && mv $dd <destination>;done > I was trying to figure out an elegant way of doing this with sort and uniq, but decided that it wasn't that big of a deal, but this is great. I'll have to remember this. I was only coming up with things that involved using xargs and dirname, but I never tried anything because I've run into issues with xargs not working by element and only working with entire lists. > > -BR > > Randall Mason

Oct. 29, 2009

Re: [Wlug] grep, maybe

by Brett Russ

On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 12:48 PM, Randall Mason <clashthebunny(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Sorry, I keep forgetting which email address I signed up with... > > I would add quotes and use while, just in case the directory names have > spaces and such. "for" splits on any whitespace, which could be quite > troublesome. > > grep -RFl "moe" somedirectory/ | while read file; do echo mv "`dirname > "$file"`" "destination_path"; done Good suggestion. For this to work, I think you need to add the '-l' (lowercase L) option to grep such that it only prints *names* of files with matching lines instead of every matching line in the file. And, to avoid seeing lots of errors with moving directories with multiple matching files, add a test to the dirname to see that it exists before trying to move it. Something like this: grep -l -RFI "moe" <search-space> | while read file;do dd=`dirname $file`; [ -d $dd ] && mv $dd <destination>;done -BR

Oct. 29, 2009

Re: [Wlug] grep, maybe

by jrm8005＠gmail.com

There's also a useful tool in ``moreutils'' called vidir, which lets you filter out directory names in a pipeline and view them in an editor/pager > Sorry, I keep forgetting which email address I signed up with... > > I would add quotes and use while, just in case the directory names have > spaces and such. "for" splits on any whitespace, which could be quite > troublesome. > > grep -RFl "moe" somedirectory/ | while read file; do echo mv "`dirname > "$file"`" "destination_path"; done > > Randall Mason > randall(a)mason.ch > > > On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 12:47 PM, Randall Mason <randall(a)mason.ch> wrote: > >> I would add quotes and use while, just in case the directory names have >> spaces and such. "for" splits on any whitespace, which could be quite >> troublesome. >> >> grep -RFl "moe" somedirectory/ | while read file; do echo mv "`dirname >> "$file"`" "destination_path"; done >> >> Randall Mason >> randall(a)mason.ch >> >> >> >> On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 12:25 PM, Jamie Guinan <guinan(a)bluebutton.com>wrote: >> >>> >>> Adding to that: >>> >>> for FILE in $( grep -lRF moe somedirectory/* ) ; \ >>> do echo mv -v $(dirname "$FILE") destination_path ; done >>> >>> Remove the "echo" and repeat if it looks Ok. >>> Uses dirname to move the containing directory. >>> >>> -Jamie >>> >>> >>> On Thu, 29 Oct 2009, James Gray wrote: >>> >>> > On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 11:41 AM, Maurice <mauricep(a)cds-cumberland.org> >>> wrote: >>> > > Looking for some guidance; >>> > > >>> > > I have several files within several folders (5 files per folder, and >>> > > thousands of folders) that I need to search a text file within each >>> > > folder for a word match (like three_little_pigs.txt, and I need to >>> find >>> > > "moe", if he's listed) and then when a match is found I need to move >>> > > (not copy) that entire folder (and it's 3~5 files contained within) to >>> > > another location... >>> > > >>> > > I'm thinking grep, but don't know the correct syntax to make all this >>> > > happen. >>> > > I can easily find all the folders (1949 of them) and the word match >>> 3923 >>> > > times within the text file(s)... >>> > >>> > I think this should do the trick. I haven't tested it cause I don't >>> > want to have *my* files moved around. >>> > >>> > for FILE in $( grep -lRF moe somedirectory/* ) ; do mv "$FILE" >>> > destination_path ; done >>> > >>> > ~James >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > Wlug mailing list >>> > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >>> > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wlug mailing list >>> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >>> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >>> >> >>

Oct. 29, 2009

Re: [Wlug] grep, maybe

by Randall Mason

Sorry, I keep forgetting which email address I signed up with... I would add quotes and use while, just in case the directory names have spaces and such. "for" splits on any whitespace, which could be quite troublesome. grep -RFl "moe" somedirectory/ | while read file; do echo mv "`dirname "$file"`" "destination_path"; done Randall Mason randall(a)mason.ch On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 12:47 PM, Randall Mason <randall(a)mason.ch> wrote: > I would add quotes and use while, just in case the directory names have > spaces and such. "for" splits on any whitespace, which could be quite > troublesome. > > grep -RFl "moe" somedirectory/ | while read file; do echo mv "`dirname > "$file"`" "destination_path"; done > > Randall Mason > randall(a)mason.ch > > > > On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 12:25 PM, Jamie Guinan <guinan(a)bluebutton.com>wrote: > >> >> Adding to that: >> >> for FILE in $( grep -lRF moe somedirectory/* ) ; \ >> do echo mv -v $(dirname "$FILE") destination_path ; done >> >> Remove the "echo" and repeat if it looks Ok. >> Uses dirname to move the containing directory. >> >> -Jamie >> >> >> On Thu, 29 Oct 2009, James Gray wrote: >> >> > On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 11:41 AM, Maurice <mauricep(a)cds-cumberland.org> >> wrote: >> > > Looking for some guidance; >> > > >> > > I have several files within several folders (5 files per folder, and >> > > thousands of folders) that I need to search a text file within each >> > > folder for a word match (like three_little_pigs.txt, and I need to >> find >> > > "moe", if he's listed) and then when a match is found I need to move >> > > (not copy) that entire folder (and it's 3~5 files contained within) to >> > > another location... >> > > >> > > I'm thinking grep, but don't know the correct syntax to make all this >> > > happen. >> > > I can easily find all the folders (1949 of them) and the word match >> 3923 >> > > times within the text file(s)... >> > >> > I think this should do the trick. I haven't tested it cause I don't >> > want to have *my* files moved around. >> > >> > for FILE in $( grep -lRF moe somedirectory/* ) ; do mv "$FILE" >> > destination_path ; done >> > >> > ~James >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Wlug mailing list >> > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >> > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >> > >> _______________________________________________ >> Wlug mailing list >> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >> > >

Oct. 29, 2009

Re: [Wlug] grep, maybe

by Jamie Guinan

Adding to that: for FILE in $( grep -lRF moe somedirectory/* ) ; \ do echo mv -v $(dirname "$FILE") destination_path ; done Remove the "echo" and repeat if it looks Ok. Uses dirname to move the containing directory. -Jamie On Thu, 29 Oct 2009, James Gray wrote: > On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 11:41 AM, Maurice <mauricep(a)cds-cumberland.org> wrote: > > Looking for some guidance; > > > > I have several files within several folders (5 files per folder, and > > thousands of folders) that I need to search a text file within each > > folder for a word match (like three_little_pigs.txt, and I need to find > > "moe", if he's listed) and then when a match is found I need to move > > (not copy) that entire folder (and it's 3~5 files contained within) to > > another location... > > > > I'm thinking grep, but don't know the correct syntax to make all this > > happen. > > I can easily find all the folders (1949 of them) and the word match 3923 > > times within the text file(s)... > > I think this should do the trick. I haven't tested it cause I don't > want to have *my* files moved around. > > for FILE in $( grep -lRF moe somedirectory/* ) ; do mv "$FILE" > destination_path ; done > > ~James > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

Oct. 29, 2009

Re: [Wlug] grep, maybe

by James Gray

On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 11:41 AM, Maurice <mauricep(a)cds-cumberland.org> wrote: > Looking for some guidance; > > I have several files within several folders (5 files per folder, and > thousands of folders) that I need to search a text file within each > folder for a word match (like three_little_pigs.txt, and I need to find > "moe", if he's listed) and then when a match is found I need to move > (not copy) that entire folder (and it's 3~5 files contained within) to > another location... > > I'm thinking grep, but don't know the correct syntax to make all this > happen. > I can easily find all the folders (1949 of them) and the word match 3923 > times within the text file(s)... I think this should do the trick. I haven't tested it cause I don't want to have *my* files moved around. for FILE in $( grep -lRF moe somedirectory/* ) ; do mv "$FILE" destination_path ; done ~James

Oct. 29, 2009

grep, maybe

by Maurice

Looking for some guidance; I have several files within several folders (5 files per folder, and thousands of folders) that I need to search a text file within each folder for a word match (like three_little_pigs.txt, and I need to find "moe", if he's listed) and then when a match is found I need to move (not copy) that entire folder (and it's 3~5 files contained within) to another location... I'm thinking grep, but don't know the correct syntax to make all this happen. I can easily find all the folders (1949 of them) and the word match 3923 times within the text file(s)... Any ideas??? -- -Maurice Pelletier Child Development Services - Cumberland County 50 Depot Road Falmouth, ME 04105 207-781-8881 (voice) 207-781-8855 (fax) www.cds-cumberland.org "Linux -- it's not just for breakfast anymore..." -Moe

Oct. 29, 2009

Re: [Wlug] Job Posting: Implementation Engineer, Boston, MA

by Tal Cohen

Good thing we don't sell dictionaries :) Tal ----- Original Message ----- From: "Keith Wright" <kwright(a)keithdiane.us> To: <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> Sent: Monday, October 26, 2009 10:12 PM Subject: Re: [Wlug] Job Posting: Implementation Engineer, Boston, MA >> From: "Tal Cohen" <wlug(a)cohen123.com> >> >> This position just opened in our organization and I >> thought some people in the group would be >> interested. It is a customer facing, multi-fasceted >> role: > > Did you spell "faceted" wrong, or will the sucessful > candidate wield the fasces as a symbol of absolute > power? > > -- Keith > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Oct. 27, 2009

Re: [Wlug] Job Posting: Implementation Engineer, Boston, MA

by Keith Wright

> From: "Tal Cohen" <wlug(a)cohen123.com> > > This position just opened in our organization and I > thought some people in the group would be > interested. It is a customer facing, multi-fasceted > role: Did you spell "faceted" wrong, or will the sucessful candidate wield the fasces as a symbol of absolute power? -- Keith

Oct. 27, 2009

Job Posting: Implementation Engineer, Boston, MA

by Tal Cohen

This position just opened in our organization and I thought some people in the group would be interested. It is a customer facing, multi-fasceted role: The SiteSpect Implementation Engineer is a technical expert who is responsible for the configuration, deployment, and support of SiteSpect's core products. This is an engineering position that requires experience in Unix system management, Web applications management, load balancing, and networking/DNS. As this is also a customer-facing role, it requires the ability to communicate technical instructions to both experienced and less experienced clients. This is an ideal opportunity for system and network administrators with a history of working with both technical (IT) and non-technical (business and marketing) teams to define system requirements, plan projects, and ultimately deliver solutions. Requirements * 3+ years of Linux/Unix administration and troubleshooting. * 2+ years of experience with solutions architecture for DNS, load balancers and CDNs. * Web server configuration, tuning, and administration. * Shell scripting such as bash, perl, python, or PHP. * Experience with system monitoring tools such as nagios, sar, or sec. Responsibilities include scheduled on-call duty and occasional travel to assist customers with installations and system maintenance. Candidates should have experience working in a team environment alongside other engineers and product managers. You should be comfortable with the dynamic and fast pace that is typical for an Internet software startup. This is a full time position located in our office in downtown Boston, MA. Application Process If this sounds like you, then SiteSpect might be your next home. As the company that leads its market space in power and innovation, we guarantee excitement, challenge and an unlimited opportunity to contribute. Interested candidates should submit their resume and cover letter via email to tcohen(a)sitespect.com. To attract and retain the best talent, we offer competitive salary and a suite of benefits including medical and dental insurance, 401(k) plan, flexible spending account (FSA), and an employee stock option program. SiteSpect, Inc. is headquartered in historic downtown Boston, MA, just steps from the State House and accessible to MBTA and commuter rail stations. No agencies, recruiters, or phone calls, please.

Oct. 26, 2009

Re: [Wlug] WLUG Meeting Wednesday, Oct 21, 2009

by Jamie Guinan

On Tue, 20 Oct 2009, Andy Stewart wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > > Hi Everybody, > > My apologies for the late notice. We do indeed have a WLUG meeting on > Wednesday evening, October 21, 2009 at 7:00 PM on the WPI campus. > > Our speaker will be WLUG member Tim Keller, and the topic will be Pygame. Hi All, I wanted to follow up on a few threads from last night's meeting... - I learned from Tim's presentation that Pygame wraps SDL, as well as providing other useful classes and code. I happened to be poking around the Spore installation on my Macbook, and I found that it uses SDL, and even includes source! guinan@macbook:~ $ find /Applications/SPORE/SPORE.app/ ... /Applications/SPORE/SPORE.app//Contents/Frameworks/SDL.framework /Applications/SPORE/SPORE.app//Contents/Frameworks/SDL.framework/Headers /Applications/SPORE/SPORE.app//Contents/Frameworks/SDL.framework/Headers/begin_code.h /Applications/SPORE/SPORE.app//Contents/Frameworks/SDL.framework/Headers/close_code.h /Applications/SPORE/SPORE.app//Contents/Frameworks/SDL.framework/Headers/SDL.h ... /Applications/SPORE/SPORE.app//Contents/Frameworks/SDL.framework/SDL-source-with-transgaming-updates.tar.gz ... Not Linux-specific, sure, but neat that SDL is used in one of the biggest games of the past year. - Possible solution for the broken sound device on that laptop, http://rightsock.com/~kjw/Tech/usb-sound-C-Media.html - Andy and other ham enthusiansts, you might like this podcast, http://soldersmoke.com/ Its mostly about Ham radio, but also homebrew electronics in general, with some amateur astronomy, and in recent episodes he's been doing more and more with Linux. Later, -Jamie

Oct. 22, 2009

WLUG Meeting Wednesday, Oct 21, 2009

by Andy Stewart

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi Everybody, My apologies for the late notice. We do indeed have a WLUG meeting on Wednesday evening, October 21, 2009 at 7:00 PM on the WPI campus. Our speaker will be WLUG member Tim Keller, and the topic will be Pygame. The meeting room is near the former Access Grid room. If you walk into the main entrance to Morgan Hall, and turn right toward the dining hall, you will see a door on your right just before the dining hall. Enter that door and there will be a short hallway. We will be in the room on the right. This is the same place where we met last month. I'll try to remember to put up a penguin poster to guide you. Afterwards, we'll go out for pizza and more great conversation, as is our tradition. Any and all are welcome to attend. Andy - -- Andy Stewart (KB1OIQ) Founder: Worcester Linux Users' Group Founder: Chelmsford Linux Meetup Group President: PART of Westford, MA (WB1GOF) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFK3njWOjiraCaOTOoRAo3bAKCijU6mXTrGXDSpSX4nl8dEaGMFSACeLIXb 0OrUMEB7JG35tcjTs8Yeits= =0Iuj -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

Oct. 21, 2009

Re: [Wlug] Wlug Digest, Vol 72, Issue 2

by Caobin zhu

Thank you, Billy. See you there. > From: wlug-request(a)mail.wlug.org > Subject: Wlug Digest, Vol 72, Issue 2 > To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 12:00:04 -0400 > > Send Wlug mailing list submissions to > wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > wlug-request(a)mail.wlug.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > wlug-owner(a)mail.wlug.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Wlug digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Wlug Digest, Vol 72, Issue 1 (Caobin zhu) > 2. Re: Wlug Digest, Vol 72, Issue 1 (Billy Hnath) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 15:07:47 -0400 > From: Caobin zhu <globecstar(a)hotmail.com> > Subject: Re: [Wlug] Wlug Digest, Vol 72, Issue 1 > To: <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> > Message-ID: <BLU106-W15954F6025FA36A2B8913FDBD30(a)phx.gbl> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" > > > Hi, > > thank you for your info about the meeting. However i am new to the group and never went to WPI for any meeting so i don't know the meeting location. Can you please let me know the location, building name, sreet name? Is that ACM a building name/ > > thanks again. > > caobin > > > From: wlug-request(a)mail.wlug.org > > Subject: Wlug Digest, Vol 72, Issue 1 > > To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 12:00:03 -0400 > > > > Send Wlug mailing list submissions to > > wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > > wlug-request(a)mail.wlug.org > > > > You can reach the person managing the list at > > wlug-owner(a)mail.wlug.org > > > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > > than "Re: Contents of Wlug digest..." > > > > > > Today's Topics: > > > > 1. Reminder: WPI ACM Installfest this Friday, October 2nd at > > 7pm. (Billy Hnath) > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Message: 1 > > Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 23:40:28 -0400 > > From: Billy Hnath <bill.hnath(a)gmail.com> > > Subject: [Wlug] Reminder: WPI ACM Installfest this Friday, October 2nd > > at 7pm. > > To: Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> > > Message-ID: > > <24f493190909302040n43177dc2w3c93ff5b4d2ea08(a)mail.gmail.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > > Hey all, > > > > I wanted to remind you all of the Installfest we are having at WPI this > > Friday, sponsored by the Worcester Chapter ACM. We will have developers from > > Gentoo, Debian and Redhat along with a couple of other activists in the Open > > Source community to participate in a panel discussion and Q&A session. > > Later in the evening we will beging the actual Installfest. Our Gentoo Rep > > may also being doing a short presentation on Embedded Linux, which is sure > > to > > be interesting and fun. > > > > I invite you all come by for the talks and even help out new users to Linux > > with their first-time installs. > > > > Thanks and hope to see you there, > > > > --Billy > > WPI ACM President > > > > -- > > William R. Hnath, Jr > > Worcester Polytechnic Institute > > Class of 2010 > > Alpha Chi Rho - Delta Sigma Phi Chapter > > -------------- next part -------------- > > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > > URL: http://mail.wlug.org/pipermail/wlug/attachments/20090930/d55b7fb8/attachmen… > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wlug mailing list > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > > > End of Wlug Digest, Vol 72, Issue 1 > > *********************************** > > _________________________________________________________________ > Lauren found her dream laptop. Find the PC that?s right for you. > http://www.microsoft.com/windows/choosepc/?ocid=ftp_val_wl_290 > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: http://mail.wlug.org/pipermail/wlug/attachments/20091001/1dd301f2/attachmen… > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 15:22:06 -0400 > From: Billy Hnath <bill.hnath(a)gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [Wlug] Wlug Digest, Vol 72, Issue 1 > To: Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> > Message-ID: > <24f493190910011222p20328471o785366419a71f708(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" > > Hi Caobin, > > Our event will be in Fuller Laboratories in Upper Perrault Lecture Hall. Our > School is at 100 Institute Road Worcester MA 01609. You may park > in the parking lot on Boynton Street which is next to our library and Fuller > Labs and across the street from a new, large residence hall. > > If you google maps 30 Boynton Street, Worcester MA 10609, you will be right > across from where you can park and Fuller Labs is up a ramp to the north end > > of the lot. > > Hope to see you at the event, > > --Billy > > On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 3:07 PM, Caobin zhu <globecstar(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > > > Hi, > > thank you for your info about the meeting. However i am new to the group > > and never went to WPI for any meeting so i don't know the meeting location. > > Can you please let me know the location, building name, sreet name? Is that > > ACM a building name/ > > thanks again. > > caobin > > > > > From: wlug-request(a)mail.wlug.org > > > Subject: Wlug Digest, Vol 72, Issue 1 > > > To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > > Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 12:00:03 -0400 > > > > > > Send Wlug mailing list submissions to > > > wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > > > > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > > > wlug-request(a)mail.wlug.org > > > > > > You can reach the person managing the list at > > > wlug-owner(a)mail.wlug.org > > > > > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > > > than "Re: Contents of Wlug digest..." > > > > > > > > > Today's Topics: > > > > > > 1. Reminder: WPI ACM Installfest this Friday, October 2nd at > > > 7pm. (Billy Hnath) > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > Message: 1 > > > Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 23:40:28 -0400 > > > From: Billy Hnath <bill.hnath(a)gmail.com> > > > Subject: [Wlug] Reminder: WPI ACM Installfest this Friday, October 2nd > > > at 7pm. > > > To: Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> > > > Message-ID: > > > <24f493190909302040n43177dc2w3c93ff5b4d2ea08(a)mail.gmail.com> > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > > > > Hey all, > > > > > > I wanted to remind you all of the Installfest we are having at WPI this > > > Friday, sponsored by the Worcester Chapter ACM. We will have developers > > from > > > Gentoo, Debian and Redhat along with a couple of other activists in the > > Open > > > Source community to participate in a panel discussion and Q&A session. > > > Later in the evening we will beging the actual Installfest. Our Gentoo > > Rep > > > may also being doing a short presentation on Embedded Linux, which is > > sure > > > to > > > be interesting and fun. > > > > > > I invite you all come by for the talks and even help out new users to > > Linux > > > with their first-time installs. > > > > > > Thanks and hope to see you there, > > > > > > --Billy > > > WPI ACM President > > > > > > -- > > > William R. Hnath, Jr > > > Worcester Polytechnic Institute > > > Class of 2010 > > > Alpha Chi Rho - Delta Sigma Phi Chapter > > > -------------- next part -------------- > > > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > > > URL: > > http://mail.wlug.org/pipermail/wlug/attachments/20090930/d55b7fb8/attachmen… > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Wlug mailing list > > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > > > > > > End of Wlug Digest, Vol 72, Issue 1 > > > *********************************** > > > > ------------------------------ > > Lauren found her dream laptop. Find the PC that?s right for you.<http://www.microsoft.com/windows/choosepc/?ocid=ftp_val_wl_290> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wlug mailing list > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > > > > -- > William R. 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Oct. 2, 2009

Re: [Wlug] Wlug Digest, Vol 72, Issue 1

by Billy Hnath

Hi Caobin, Our event will be in Fuller Laboratories in Upper Perrault Lecture Hall. Our School is at 100 Institute Road Worcester MA 01609. You may park in the parking lot on Boynton Street which is next to our library and Fuller Labs and across the street from a new, large residence hall. If you google maps 30 Boynton Street, Worcester MA 10609, you will be right across from where you can park and Fuller Labs is up a ramp to the north end of the lot. Hope to see you at the event, --Billy On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 3:07 PM, Caobin zhu <globecstar(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > Hi, > thank you for your info about the meeting. However i am new to the group > and never went to WPI for any meeting so i don't know the meeting location. > Can you please let me know the location, building name, sreet name? Is that > ACM a building name/ > thanks again. > caobin > > > From: wlug-request(a)mail.wlug.org > > Subject: Wlug Digest, Vol 72, Issue 1 > > To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 12:00:03 -0400 > > > > Send Wlug mailing list submissions to > > wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > > wlug-request(a)mail.wlug.org > > > > You can reach the person managing the list at > > wlug-owner(a)mail.wlug.org > > > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > > than "Re: Contents of Wlug digest..." > > > > > > Today's Topics: > > > > 1. Reminder: WPI ACM Installfest this Friday, October 2nd at > > 7pm. (Billy Hnath) > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Message: 1 > > Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 23:40:28 -0400 > > From: Billy Hnath <bill.hnath(a)gmail.com> > > Subject: [Wlug] Reminder: WPI ACM Installfest this Friday, October 2nd > > at 7pm. > > To: Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> > > Message-ID: > > <24f493190909302040n43177dc2w3c93ff5b4d2ea08(a)mail.gmail.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > > Hey all, > > > > I wanted to remind you all of the Installfest we are having at WPI this > > Friday, sponsored by the Worcester Chapter ACM. We will have developers > from > > Gentoo, Debian and Redhat along with a couple of other activists in the > Open > > Source community to participate in a panel discussion and Q&A session. > > Later in the evening we will beging the actual Installfest. Our Gentoo > Rep > > may also being doing a short presentation on Embedded Linux, which is > sure > > to > > be interesting and fun. > > > > I invite you all come by for the talks and even help out new users to > Linux > > with their first-time installs. > > > > Thanks and hope to see you there, > > > > --Billy > > WPI ACM President > > > > -- > > William R. Hnath, Jr > > Worcester Polytechnic Institute > > Class of 2010 > > Alpha Chi Rho - Delta Sigma Phi Chapter > > -------------- next part -------------- > > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > > URL: > http://mail.wlug.org/pipermail/wlug/attachments/20090930/d55b7fb8/attachmen… > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wlug mailing list > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > > > End of Wlug Digest, Vol 72, Issue 1 > > *********************************** > > ------------------------------ > Lauren found her dream laptop. Find the PC that’s right for you.<http://www.microsoft.com/windows/choosepc/?ocid=ftp_val_wl_290> > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > -- William R. Hnath, Jr Worcester Polytechnic Institute Class of 2010 Alpha Chi Rho - Delta Sigma Phi Chapter

Oct. 1, 2009

Re: [Wlug] Wlug Digest, Vol 72, Issue 1

by Caobin zhu

Hi, thank you for your info about the meeting. However i am new to the group and never went to WPI for any meeting so i don't know the meeting location. Can you please let me know the location, building name, sreet name? Is that ACM a building name/ thanks again. caobin > From: wlug-request(a)mail.wlug.org > Subject: Wlug Digest, Vol 72, Issue 1 > To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 12:00:03 -0400 > > Send Wlug mailing list submissions to > wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > wlug-request(a)mail.wlug.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > wlug-owner(a)mail.wlug.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Wlug digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Reminder: WPI ACM Installfest this Friday, October 2nd at > 7pm. (Billy Hnath) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 23:40:28 -0400 > From: Billy Hnath <bill.hnath(a)gmail.com> > Subject: [Wlug] Reminder: WPI ACM Installfest this Friday, October 2nd > at 7pm. > To: Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> > Message-ID: > <24f493190909302040n43177dc2w3c93ff5b4d2ea08(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Hey all, > > I wanted to remind you all of the Installfest we are having at WPI this > Friday, sponsored by the Worcester Chapter ACM. We will have developers from > Gentoo, Debian and Redhat along with a couple of other activists in the Open > Source community to participate in a panel discussion and Q&A session. > Later in the evening we will beging the actual Installfest. Our Gentoo Rep > may also being doing a short presentation on Embedded Linux, which is sure > to > be interesting and fun. > > I invite you all come by for the talks and even help out new users to Linux > with their first-time installs. > > Thanks and hope to see you there, > > --Billy > WPI ACM President > > -- > William R. Hnath, Jr > Worcester Polytechnic Institute > Class of 2010 > Alpha Chi Rho - Delta Sigma Phi Chapter > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: http://mail.wlug.org/pipermail/wlug/attachments/20090930/d55b7fb8/attachmen… > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > End of Wlug Digest, Vol 72, Issue 1 > *********************************** _________________________________________________________________ Lauren found her dream laptop. Find the PC that’s right for you. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/choosepc/?ocid=ftp_val_wl_290

Oct. 1, 2009

Reminder: WPI ACM Installfest this Friday, October 2nd at 7pm.

by Billy Hnath

Hey all, I wanted to remind you all of the Installfest we are having at WPI this Friday, sponsored by the Worcester Chapter ACM. We will have developers from Gentoo, Debian and Redhat along with a couple of other activists in the Open Source community to participate in a panel discussion and Q&A session. Later in the evening we will beging the actual Installfest. Our Gentoo Rep may also being doing a short presentation on Embedded Linux, which is sure to be interesting and fun. I invite you all come by for the talks and even help out new users to Linux with their first-time installs. Thanks and hope to see you there, --Billy WPI ACM President -- William R. Hnath, Jr Worcester Polytechnic Institute Class of 2010 Alpha Chi Rho - Delta Sigma Phi Chapter

Oct. 1, 2009

Re: [Wlug] Linux on the XO-1

by soup

Nick Nassar wrote: > > PCF has an XO-1. I played with it when they first got it. “Sugar” runs > on top of Fedora, so there’s no real reason to re-install unless you > want Debian or Ubuntu. I’m too lazy to find instructions on how to get > it to boot into XFCE instead of Sugar. I seem to remember you could > basically “yum install“ your way to a full desktop. > http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Software_components > Yeah, I looked in to just installing xfce or even just keeping it at runlevel3 but the official repository doesn't have much. Not to mention I'm used to deb anyway. The XFCE instructions are on the olpc wiki, for those interested. It's an excellent resource for some things. > > > Overall, I wouldn’t recommend it for adults-- it really is designed > for children. Sugar has lots of awesome stuff for creativity and > learning, but it’s not designed to let typical users do work. On the > hardware end, the keyboard is child sized, the CPU is too slow to run > a typical Linux desktop well, and there’s no support for hibernating > to disk. > I think it's a great little machine, the display is definitely one of the best I've seen at the size. The keyboard is a bit small but it's not unusable, at least it's got the keys in sane places, unlike some small machines (dell mini). I think it makes the perfect portable terminal or ebook reader. Parts are very cheap and it's not difficult to work on. It's a bit like a more modern HPLX machine, though a little larger. Power management support- with the stock build is very recent anyway. I don't think it could even suspend to ram until earlier this year. I'm not certain how many more updates it'll get with the two new hardware versions (and windows) coming. That's one of my main reasons for sniffing around for alternatives. :) Take care, James

Sept. 23, 2009

Re: [Wlug] Linux on the XO-1

by soup

Adam Keck wrote: > Hi James, > > I haven't looked into getting full Linux onto my XO yet, but I want > to get more use out of it. If you do get a distro onto yours, could > you post an outline of your process? I can, but I'll just be following the directions written by people better versed than me. > > On a separate note, did you have keyboard trouble with yours? Mine > suffered the notorious "sticking ctrl key" issue, so I had to disable > the built-in keyboard. :-/. Haven't had any keyboard trouble with mine. I wouldn't bother using it if I couldn't use the keyboard. I know replacements are ridiculous cheap though. I think the keyboard is $18. http://www.ilovemyxo.com > > Thanks, > > -Adam

Sept. 23, 2009

Unable to make it tonight... still planning on presenting in Oct.

by Tim Keller

Hey Gang, I'll be unable to make it to the meeting tonight, however I still plan on doing a talk next month on "pygame". What's "pygame" you ask?!? "pygame" is a set of python libraries that wrap SDL written in C and assembler. These libraries take the nitty gritty out of writing games with python, or as they put it "we take the pure out of game development". I'm going to talk about the libraries in depth (with slides), show off a silly game I've written and then dive into the code of the game so you can see how absurdity easy it is to use. Obviously my talk is going to be python centric, but no worries. I'm using this as an excuse to teach myself python so it'll be educational to the python guru and the python neophyte alike. Thanks, Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

Sept. 23, 2009

Re: [Wlug] Linux on the XO-1

by Adam Keck

Well not for general computing, but I find it to be a nice PDF reader with its nifty screen. ;-) While I like the reader in Sugar, I want to see how well the other FOSS readers work on the platform. If I get some time, I might take your suggestion to simply yum install a light-weight desktop. Thanks, -Adam On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 3:35 PM, Nick Nassar <nassar(a)alum.wpi.edu> wrote: > PCF has an XO-1. I played with it when they first got it. “Sugar” runs on > top of Fedora, so there’s no real reason to re-install unless you want > Debian or Ubuntu. I’m too lazy to find instructions on how to get it to boot > into XFCE instead of Sugar. I seem to remember you could basically “yum > install“ your way to a full desktop. > http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Software_components > > > > Overall, I wouldn’t recommend it for adults-- it really is designed for > children. Sugar has lots of awesome stuff for creativity and learning, but > it’s not designed to let typical users do work. On the hardware end, the > keyboard is child sized, the CPU is too slow to run a typical Linux desktop > well, and there’s no support for hibernating to disk. > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > *From:* wlug-bounces(a)mail.wlug.org [mailto:wlug-bounces@mail.wlug.org] *On > Behalf Of *Adam Keck > *Sent:* Wednesday, September 23, 2009 8:22 AM > *To:* Worcester Linux Users Group > *Subject:* Re: [Wlug] Linux on the XO-1 > > > > Hi James, > > I haven't looked into getting full Linux onto my XO yet, but I want to > get more use out of it. If you do get a distro onto yours, could you post > an outline of your process? > > On a separate note, did you have keyboard trouble with yours? Mine > suffered the notorious "sticking ctrl key" issue, so I had to disable the > built-in keyboard. :-/. > > Thanks, > > -Adam > > On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 8:30 AM, soup <soupforare(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > I'm looking for it- something that isn't Sugar, anyway. The two popular > ones seem to be DebXO and teapot's ubuntu build. > Has anyone played with either of these? > > Take care, > James > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > >

Sept. 23, 2009

Re: [Wlug] Linux on the XO-1

by Nick Nassar

PCF has an XO-1. I played with it when they first got it. “Sugar” runs on top of Fedora, so there’s no real reason to re-install unless you want Debian or Ubuntu. I’m too lazy to find instructions on how to get it to boot into XFCE instead of Sugar. I seem to remember you could basically “yum install“ your way to a full desktop. http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Software_components Overall, I wouldn’t recommend it for adults-- it really is designed for children. Sugar has lots of awesome stuff for creativity and learning, but it’s not designed to let typical users do work. On the hardware end, the keyboard is child sized, the CPU is too slow to run a typical Linux desktop well, and there’s no support for hibernating to disk. _____ From: wlug-bounces(a)mail.wlug.org [mailto:wlug-bounces@mail.wlug.org] On Behalf Of Adam Keck Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 8:22 AM To: Worcester Linux Users Group Subject: Re: [Wlug] Linux on the XO-1 Hi James, I haven't looked into getting full Linux onto my XO yet, but I want to get more use out of it. If you do get a distro onto yours, could you post an outline of your process? On a separate note, did you have keyboard trouble with yours? Mine suffered the notorious "sticking ctrl key" issue, so I had to disable the built-in keyboard. :-/. Thanks, -Adam On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 8:30 AM, soup <soupforare(a)gmail.com> wrote: I'm looking for it- something that isn't Sugar, anyway. The two popular ones seem to be DebXO and teapot's ubuntu build. Has anyone played with either of these? Take care, James _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Sept. 23, 2009

WPI ACM Installfest

by Billy Hnath

Hi all, Sorry to say that I wont be able to make the meeting tonight because I have class, but I figured I would talk to you all in email so you may be able to discuss this tonight. I am the ACM president at WPI and on October 2nd we are having an Installfest starting at 7pm in Fuller Labs. I am in the process of getting some speakers from various linux distros and O'Reilly for a panel discussion/Q&A session and afterwords we will have an installfest in one of the labs. If anyone here is interesting in attending or even better interested in talking/volunteering to help with the Install that would be much appreciated. You can reach me by email (bill.hnath(a)gmail.com) with any questions. Thanks for your time and have a great meeting tonight, --Billy -- William R. Hnath, Jr Worcester Polytechnic Institute Class of 2010 Alpha Chi Rho - Delta Sigma Phi Chapter

Sept. 23, 2009

Linux on the XO-1

by soup

I'm looking for it- something that isn't Sugar, anyway. The two popular ones seem to be DebXO and teapot's ubuntu build. Has anyone played with either of these? Take care, James

Sept. 23, 2009

Re: [Wlug] Linux on the XO-1

by Adam Keck

Hi James, I haven't looked into getting full Linux onto my XO yet, but I want to get more use out of it. If you do get a distro onto yours, could you post an outline of your process? On a separate note, did you have keyboard trouble with yours? Mine suffered the notorious "sticking ctrl key" issue, so I had to disable the built-in keyboard. :-/. Thanks, -Adam On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 8:30 AM, soup <soupforare(a)gmail.com> wrote: > I'm looking for it- something that isn't Sugar, anyway. The two popular > ones seem to be DebXO and teapot's ubuntu build. > Has anyone played with either of these? > > Take care, > James > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

Sept. 23, 2009

Reminder: WLUG Meeting on Wednesday, 23-sept-2009

by Andy Stewart

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 HI everybody, I don't have confirmation on our meeting room for this meeting, so if you don't hear anything, please meet outside of the Access Grid room (our old meeting room), and we'll go from there. Unfortunately, I do not have access to my home email while at work, so that's why I'm sending this now. See ya there! Andy - -- Andy Stewart (KB1OIQ) Founder: Worcester Linux Users' Group Founder: Chelmsford Linux Meetup Group President: PART of Westford, MA (WB1GOF) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFKuXphOjiraCaOTOoRAiCbAJ9cbGBPZepvHhIdYe8+6SZcGt3RPgCfRncV xqr5hCOwaFBV9SL7xwy8jPo= =Ewng -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

Sept. 23, 2009

REMINDER: Upcoming Meeting on Wednesday, 7 PM

by Andy Stewart

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi Everybody, Our next WLUG meeting will be on Wednesday evening, 7:00 PM, somewhere on the WPI campus in Worcester, MA USA. Our guest speaker will be Mike Bauer, and his talk will be a legal interpretation of the GPL. Mike has degrees in both law and computer science. Mike plans to discuss: a) The GNU philosophy behind the GPL, both from freedom and copyleft perspectives b) A brief introduction to copyright law c) Scholarly papers (law review articles, other non-case-law analysis) on the GPL d) Cases dealing with the GPL When I know the actual meeting room, I'll let you know. I look forward to seeing you on Wednesday. Andy - -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group (http://www.wlug.org) Chelmsford Linux Meetup Group (http://linux.meetup.com/393) Amateur Radio: KB1OIQ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFKtYhiOjiraCaOTOoRAldmAKCpR2wGo1RRO4KE9u1FPU4yEu+R7gCbBGut f2xLKDf7XoiPIao+jhpSME8= =NwgC -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

Sept. 20, 2009

Scanner - $10

by Randall Mason

Hi Everybody, My wife is cleaning stuff out and she wants me do something with a scanner that I specifically bought for it's Linux compatability. It's an Epson 1200U: http://www.epson.com/cgi-bin/Store/support/supDetail.jsp?oid=14568 It works out of the box with my Ubuntu 9.04 Desktop via libusb, so I don't know if it will work with BSDs or other F/OSS operating systems, but I think it would. There are drivers for Windows and OS X on Epson's website, but I don't know if it works for those, I bought it so that it worked with Linux for a reason... It's not new, but I feel that it's worth it for Linux compatibility. It used to be white, but after years of oxidation and the plastic getting older, it's now yellowed. I would refund the money if it broke in the first year. Here's the brochure: http://magazine.mason.ch:8888/magazine/per12usl.pdf Randall Mason

Sept. 12, 2009

Looking for suggestions: JSP Web Hosting

by Michael Zarozinski

Hi all, Does anyone have any recommendations for a web hosting service that comes with JSP "out of the box"? Thanks for any/all suggestions, Michael Z

Sept. 7, 2009

Re: [Wlug] IPv6 config question

by Chuck Anderson

On Wed, Sep 02, 2009 at 09:20:06AM -0400, William Smith wrote: > My question is this: How difficult (or involved) would it be to add > IPv6 support to this? I know about AAAA records, but I'm not so sure > what the reverse lookup file would look like. The reverse DNS PTR record for IPv6 address 2001:468:616:820::20 would look like this: 0.2.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.2.8.0.6.1.6.0.8.6.4.0.1.0.0.2.ip6.arpa. 3600 IN PTR sinclair.wpi.edu. > Likewise, I'm not sure about how DHCP would be configured, if I have > to touch it at all. You don't need DHCPv6 unless you want to control the assignments, do dynamic DNS, etc. such as in a managed network environment. You can instead use SLAAC (Stateless Address Auto-Configuration) which is built-in to every IPv6 host and doesn't require any kind of server. You only need a Router Advertisement service to inform the hosts of the router(s) and global prefix(es) available on the link. You can run radvd on the router to provide this: yum install radvd

Sept. 2, 2009

Re: [Wlug] IPv6 config question

by Chuck Anderson

On Wed, Sep 02, 2009 at 09:20:06AM -0400, William Smith wrote: > Hiya! > > I've got an old laptop (Sony Vaio PCG-F520) that I've been setting to > re-purposing. To this end, I've installed Fedora 10 on it. > > I've got DNS (IPv4) and DHCP configured on it, and it will eventually > be acting as a printserver for an HP LaserJet 4MP. :) > > My question is this: How difficult (or involved) would it be to add > IPv6 support to this? I know about AAAA records, but I'm not so sure > what the reverse lookup file would look like. Likewise, I'm not sure > about how DHCP would be configured, if I have to touch it at all. Here's an example reverse record for IPv6 address 2001:468:616:820::20: 0.2.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.2.8.0.6.1.6.0.8.6.4.0.1.0.0.2.ip6.arpa. 3600 IN PTR sinclair.wpi.edu. DHCPv6 is supported by ISC DHCP. You have to run a separate service (dhcpd -6) since the server only supports one protocol at a time. However, DHCPv6 isn't required to assign v6 addresses. DHCPv6 is only really required if you want control over the assignments such as in a managed network environment. You can instead use SLAAC (Stateless Address Auto-Configuration). This is automatic--no server required. You can run radvd on the router to announce the availablility of the router and global prefix(es) available on the link. yum install radvd

Sept. 2, 2009

IPv6 config question

by William Smith

Hiya! I've got an old laptop (Sony Vaio PCG-F520) that I've been setting to re-purposing. To this end, I've installed Fedora 10 on it. I've got DNS (IPv4) and DHCP configured on it, and it will eventually be acting as a printserver for an HP LaserJet 4MP. :) My question is this: How difficult (or involved) would it be to add IPv6 support to this? I know about AAAA records, but I'm not so sure what the reverse lookup file would look like. Likewise, I'm not sure about how DHCP would be configured, if I have to touch it at all. Any suggestions would be appreciated. -- Bill Smith Fall River, MA Charter Member of LOPSA

Sept. 2, 2009

Seagate ST3146807FC 146GB Fibre Channel drive

by Jamie Guinan

Hi Group, We found the drive described in the subject line at work, and have no use for it. It appears to be new. Anyone have fibre channel, and want it? -Jamie

Sept. 1, 2009

Re: [Wlug] Looking for DDR400 (PC3200) RAM

by J. R. Mauro

On Aug 29, 2009, at 9:14, "John Stoffel" <john(a)stoffel.org> wrote: >>>>>> "Frank" == Frank Sweetser <fs(a)WPI.EDU> writes: > > Frank> In general, I find that the best place to shop for memory is > Frank> http://www.crucial.com Ugh, crucial is a *total* ripoff. It's good for finding out what type your machine needs and that's it. Newegg, eBay, woot, tigerdirect, anything are better on price > > I agree, or newegg.com, but for old memory like this... a salvage > place seems to be a better place, esp since DDR2/DDR3 is so cheap in > relation. > > Thanks for the followup, I appreciate it. > > John > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Aug. 29, 2009

Re: [Wlug] Looking for DDR400 (PC3200) RAM

by John Stoffel

>>>>> "Frank" == Frank Sweetser <fs(a)WPI.EDU> writes: Frank> In general, I find that the best place to shop for memory is Frank> http://www.crucial.com I agree, or newegg.com, but for old memory like this... a salvage place seems to be a better place, esp since DDR2/DDR3 is so cheap in relation. Thanks for the followup, I appreciate it. John

Aug. 29, 2009

Re: [Wlug] Looking for DDR400 (PC3200) RAM

by Frank Sweetser

On 8/28/2009 6:48 PM, John Stoffel wrote: > > Guys, > > I'm trying to ressurect an old MSI K8T NEO mother board with an > Athlon64 3000 CPU. Unfortunately, I don't have any 184 Pin > PC3200/DDR400, PC2700/DDR333, PC2100/ DDR266 or PC1600/DDR200 > unbuffered DIMM boards. In general, I find that the best place to shop for memory is http://www.crucial.com -- Frank Sweetser fs at wpi.edu | For every problem, there is a solution that WPI Senior Network Engineer | is simple, elegant, and wrong. - HL Mencken GPG fingerprint = 6174 1257 129E 0D21 D8D4 E8A3 8E39 29E3 E2E8 8CEC

Aug. 28, 2009

Looking for DDR400 (PC3200) RAM

by John Stoffel

Guys, I'm trying to ressurect an old MSI K8T NEO mother board with an Athlon64 3000 CPU. Unfortunately, I don't have any 184 Pin PC3200/DDR400, PC2700/DDR333, PC2100/ DDR266 or PC1600/DDR200 unbuffered DIMM boards. Probably 512Mb each (I've got three slots), though bigger is always better, right? I'd be willing to travel in the worcester area tomorrow to do a pickup, or hit a store with some if anyone has any suggestions other than the guys in Northboro on Rt 20. Thanks, John

Aug. 28, 2009

Re: [Wlug] computer w/ ubuntu pre-installed.

by J. R. Mauro

On Aug 28, 2009, at 13:25, "Brian A. Dewhirst" <b.dewhirst(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 12:32, J.R. Mauro<jrm8005(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 12:17 PM, Adam Keck<ghostis(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> Hi Jason, >>> I think you will run into two issues with being a straight Linux >>> OEM. The >>> computer OEM business generally has a relatively low barrier to >>> entry and >>> it's largely commoditized, thanks to Dell, HP, etc. To make it >>> work, I >>> think you will need to specialize in some way such that it would be >>> cost/time prohibitive for new businesses to enter your target >>> market. >>> Perhaps you could create a blackbox application of your Linux >>> hardware or >>> learn particular industry that has specific needs (and money ;-), >>> like >>> Legal, Green Energy, or Medical Records. Right now you are >>> competing with >> >> This. Not many people will be convinced to buy a linux machine. >> ("huh? >> What's line-oox?") >> >> However, if you start selling inexpensive computers with packages of >> software preinstalled for certain targets, e.g. medical (the amount >> of >> Linux software for medicine is amazing. I've seen a lot of MRI >> machines that have Linux terminals), POS, business management, >> graphics, desktop publishing, etc., then people might bite. >> >> Of course I'd also recommend ample documentation for your "suite" of >> apps, even if it's just a manifest describing what GnuCash, etc. is >> for, since people will not be able to figure out the names. Support >> is >> also usually a must with Linux if you think non-savvy folks will be >> customers. >> >>> Dell nationally and PC Plus et al locally :-/. In both cases, your >>> established competitors can probably cut their prices to cost for >>> awhile to >>> compete. I think it will be hard to get started. >>> MHO, >>> -Adam > > I suspect some of this will change soon. If he's planning on being a > "Google Chrome PC distributor" and just getting started w/ vanilla > Ubuntu, I think he may have something going. He's certainly describing > the right sort of machine for a Chrome OS machine, near as I can tell. I'd reserve judgment on anything changing anytime soon. > > -- Brian > > disclaimer: most of you know more about *nix and computer hardware > than I > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Aug. 28, 2009

Re: [Wlug] computer w/ ubuntu pre-installed.

by Brian A. Dewhirst

On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 12:32, J.R. Mauro<jrm8005(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 12:17 PM, Adam Keck<ghostis(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> Hi Jason, >> I think you will run into two issues with being a straight Linux OEM. The >> computer OEM business generally has a relatively low barrier to entry and >> it's largely commoditized, thanks to Dell, HP, etc. To make it work, I >> think you will need to specialize in some way such that it would be >> cost/time prohibitive for new businesses to enter your target market. >> Perhaps you could create a blackbox application of your Linux hardware or >> learn particular industry that has specific needs (and money ;-), like >> Legal, Green Energy, or Medical Records. Right now you are competing with > > This. Not many people will be convinced to buy a linux machine. ("huh? > What's line-oox?") > > However, if you start selling inexpensive computers with packages of > software preinstalled for certain targets, e.g. medical (the amount of > Linux software for medicine is amazing. I've seen a lot of MRI > machines that have Linux terminals), POS, business management, > graphics, desktop publishing, etc., then people might bite. > > Of course I'd also recommend ample documentation for your "suite" of > apps, even if it's just a manifest describing what GnuCash, etc. is > for, since people will not be able to figure out the names. Support is > also usually a must with Linux if you think non-savvy folks will be > customers. > >> Dell nationally and PC Plus et al locally :-/. In both cases, your >> established competitors can probably cut their prices to cost for awhile to >> compete. I think it will be hard to get started. >> MHO, >> -Adam I suspect some of this will change soon. If he's planning on being a "Google Chrome PC distributor" and just getting started w/ vanilla Ubuntu, I think he may have something going. He's certainly describing the right sort of machine for a Chrome OS machine, near as I can tell. -- Brian disclaimer: most of you know more about *nix and computer hardware than I

Aug. 28, 2009

Re: [Wlug] computer w/ ubuntu pre-installed.

by J.R. Mauro

On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 12:17 PM, Adam Keck<ghostis(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Hi Jason, > I think you will run into two issues with being a straight Linux OEM. The > computer OEM business generally has a relatively low barrier to entry and > it's largely commoditized, thanks to Dell, HP, etc. To make it work, I > think you will need to specialize in some way such that it would be > cost/time prohibitive for new businesses to enter your target market. > Perhaps you could create a blackbox application of your Linux hardware or > learn particular industry that has specific needs (and money ;-), like > Legal, Green Energy, or Medical Records. Right now you are competing with This. Not many people will be convinced to buy a linux machine. ("huh? What's line-oox?") However, if you start selling inexpensive computers with packages of software preinstalled for certain targets, e.g. medical (the amount of Linux software for medicine is amazing. I've seen a lot of MRI machines that have Linux terminals), POS, business management, graphics, desktop publishing, etc., then people might bite. Of course I'd also recommend ample documentation for your "suite" of apps, even if it's just a manifest describing what GnuCash, etc. is for, since people will not be able to figure out the names. Support is also usually a must with Linux if you think non-savvy folks will be customers. > Dell nationally and PC Plus et al locally :-/. In both cases, your > established competitors can probably cut their prices to cost for awhile to > compete. I think it will be hard to get started. > MHO, > -Adam > > On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 1:18 AM, Jason Couture <plaguethenet(a)gmail.com> > wrote: >> >> yeah, this is supposed to be a budget box, if i were to build one of >> those i could probably beat their price. but that is a pretty sweet >> deal. >> >> just trying to get my businesses feet off the ground. :) >> >> On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 5:53 PM, Jim Dibb<jimdibb(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> > For probably about $100 more than what you're asking you could add a 17" >> > LCD, speakers, keyboard, mouse to this and install linux yourself and >> > have >> > 4 times the system. >> > >> > http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/searchtools/item-Details.asp?EdpNo=… >> > >> > Course it's not pre-assembled. >> > >> > >> > On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 1:25 PM, Jason Couture <plaguethenet(a)gmail.com> >> > wrote: >> >> >> >> I recently started a business and i was wondering if anyone would be >> >> interested in purchasing some computers for 339.99 + tax each >> >> >> >> they each come with a 17" LCD, Wireless keyboard and mouse, speakers, >> >> dvd burner, 1gb of ddr2, a 320gb hdd, AMD Sempron LE-1100 and ubuntu >> >> linux pre-installed. >> >> >> >> Add 1gb of ddr2 for $10.00 making the total 349.99 >> >> >> >> (I really need to move these boxes. Im attempting to become a linux >> >> oem) >> >> >> >> thanks in advance, and sorry for the spam :P >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Wlug mailing list >> >> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >> >> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Wlug mailing list >> > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >> > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >> > >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wlug mailing list >> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > >

Aug. 28, 2009

Re: [Wlug] computer w/ ubuntu pre-installed.

by Adam Keck

Hi Jason, I think you will run into two issues with being a straight Linux OEM. The computer OEM business generally has a relatively low barrier to entry and it's largely commoditized, thanks to Dell, HP, etc. To make it work, I think you will need to specialize in some way such that it would be cost/time prohibitive for new businesses to enter your target market. Perhaps you could create a blackbox application of your Linux hardware or learn particular industry that has specific needs (and money ;-), like Legal, Green Energy, or Medical Records. Right now you are competing with Dell nationally and PC Plus et al locally :-/. In both cases, your established competitors can probably cut their prices to cost for awhile to compete. I think it will be hard to get started. MHO, -Adam On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 1:18 AM, Jason Couture <plaguethenet(a)gmail.com>wrote: > yeah, this is supposed to be a budget box, if i were to build one of > those i could probably beat their price. but that is a pretty sweet > deal. > > just trying to get my businesses feet off the ground. :) > > On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 5:53 PM, Jim Dibb<jimdibb(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > For probably about $100 more than what you're asking you could add a 17" > > LCD, speakers, keyboard, mouse to this and install linux yourself and > have > > 4 times the system. > > > http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/searchtools/item-Details.asp?EdpNo=… > > > > Course it's not pre-assembled. > > > > > > On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 1:25 PM, Jason Couture <plaguethenet(a)gmail.com> > > wrote: > >> > >> I recently started a business and i was wondering if anyone would be > >> interested in purchasing some computers for 339.99 + tax each > >> > >> they each come with a 17" LCD, Wireless keyboard and mouse, speakers, > >> dvd burner, 1gb of ddr2, a 320gb hdd, AMD Sempron LE-1100 and ubuntu > >> linux pre-installed. > >> > >> Add 1gb of ddr2 for $10.00 making the total 349.99 > >> > >> (I really need to move these boxes. Im attempting to become a linux oem) > >> > >> thanks in advance, and sorry for the spam :P > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Wlug mailing list > >> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > >> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wlug mailing list > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

Aug. 28, 2009

Remote access with DansGuardian / FireHOL / TinyProxy

by Andrew C Wilkin

Is there anyone local who knows about DansGuardian? I'm having trouble logging into my work and I'm 95% positive it's because of DG. It's probably some configuration thing I don't know about. Any help?

Aug. 28, 2009

Re: [Wlug] looking for PHP 5.2.x help

by John Stoffel

John> I'm looking for some help with PHP5.2.x hacking on a web site to John> cleanup how the user submitted search form is handled. Never mind, I think I've found it with some more googling and other reading and reading and reading of examples.

Aug. 28, 2009

Re: [Wlug] computer w/ ubuntu pre-installed.

by Jason Couture

yeah, this is supposed to be a budget box, if i were to build one of those i could probably beat their price. but that is a pretty sweet deal. just trying to get my businesses feet off the ground. :) On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 5:53 PM, Jim Dibb<jimdibb(a)gmail.com> wrote: > For probably about $100 more than what you're asking you could add a 17" > LCD, speakers, keyboard, mouse to this and install linux yourself and have > 4 times the system. > http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/searchtools/item-Details.asp?EdpNo=… > > Course it's not pre-assembled. > > > On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 1:25 PM, Jason Couture <plaguethenet(a)gmail.com> > wrote: >> >> I recently started a business and i was wondering if anyone would be >> interested in purchasing some computers for 339.99 + tax each >> >> they each come with a 17" LCD, Wireless keyboard and mouse, speakers, >> dvd burner, 1gb of ddr2, a 320gb hdd, AMD Sempron LE-1100 and ubuntu >> linux pre-installed. >> >> Add 1gb of ddr2 for $10.00 making the total 349.99 >> >> (I really need to move these boxes. Im attempting to become a linux oem) >> >> thanks in advance, and sorry for the spam :P >> _______________________________________________ >> Wlug mailing list >> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > >

Aug. 28, 2009

Re: [Wlug] computer w/ ubuntu pre-installed.

by Jim Dibb

For probably about $100 more than what you're asking you could add a 17" LCD, speakers, keyboard, mouse to this and install linux yourself and have 4 times the system. http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/searchtools/item-Details.asp?EdpNo=… Course it's not pre-assembled. On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 1:25 PM, Jason Couture <plaguethenet(a)gmail.com>wrote: > I recently started a business and i was wondering if anyone would be > interested in purchasing some computers for 339.99 + tax each > > they each come with a 17" LCD, Wireless keyboard and mouse, speakers, > dvd burner, 1gb of ddr2, a 320gb hdd, AMD Sempron LE-1100 and ubuntu > linux pre-installed. > > Add 1gb of ddr2 for $10.00 making the total 349.99 > > (I really need to move these boxes. Im attempting to become a linux oem) > > thanks in advance, and sorry for the spam :P > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

Aug. 26, 2009

computer w/ ubuntu pre-installed.

by Jason Couture

I recently started a business and i was wondering if anyone would be interested in purchasing some computers for 339.99 + tax each they each come with a 17" LCD, Wireless keyboard and mouse, speakers, dvd burner, 1gb of ddr2, a 320gb hdd, AMD Sempron LE-1100 and ubuntu linux pre-installed. Add 1gb of ddr2 for $10.00 making the total 349.99 (I really need to move these boxes. Im attempting to become a linux oem) thanks in advance, and sorry for the spam :P

Aug. 26, 2009

looking for PHP 5.2.x help

by John Stoffel

Guys, I'm looking for some help with PHP5.2.x hacking on a web site to cleanup how the user submitted search form is handled. Basically I want to make it simple for the end user to a) refine their query, b) not have to answer popups if they hit the reload button, and c) so I can leanr more PHP. I found this nice reference: http://us2.php.net/manual/en/language.variables.external.php which has two sections by "wayne" and "Jonas Lindel" talking about how you can take the results of a PHP POST request, stuff the vars into your session, and redirect back to the same page without the POST vars set, then complete the query. The idea is so that when people hit the "back" or "reload" buttons, they don't keep getting asked whether they want to resubmit their data. It's not strictly needed, but it would be a nice cleanup of the interface. Here's the snippet I'm trying to use, which bombs out with: Fatal error: Cannot re-assign $this in .... on line 45 And the code I'm using is: <? // We want to put the search query into a session so we can restore it // easily when users goto look at full_holdings.php and then return to // the overall display page. We'll need to do a session_destroy in // index.php I think. See the tutorial(s) at // http://www.phpf1.com/tutorial/php-sessions.html // http://us3.php.net/manual/en/book.session.php session_start(); // Now see Jonas Lindel's & Wayne's code at // http://us2.php.net/manual/en/language.variables.external.php for // this *nice* trick. //is there POST or GET data we should look at if($_POST or ($_GET and (!isset($_SESSION['skipnextget'])))) { //is there GET data? if($_GET) { $newgetarr = array(); foreach($_GET as $key => $value) { if(is_array($value)) { //if it's an array, convert it to comma separated $newvalue = implode(',',$value); } else { $newvalue = $value; } $newgetarr[] = $key.'='.$newvalue; } $newget = implode('&',$newgetarr); $_SESSION['skipnextget'] = 1; } foreach($_POST as $key => $value) { $this[$key] = $value; } $_SESSION['postvars'] = serialize($this); //put POST in the session header("Location: http://" .$_SERVER['HTTP_HOST'] . $_SERVER['PHP_SELF'] . '?\ ' . $newget); //reload page without POST data and shorter GET data exit(); } else { //after reloading we'll come right to this spot session_unregister('skipnextget'); if(isset($_SESSION['postvars'])) { //load the POST variables from the session // Error on this line below! $this = unserialize($_SESSION['postvars']); session_unregister('postvars'); //delete the session stuff we //don't need anymore. return $this; } }

Aug. 25, 2009

Re: [Wlug] This is an ancient OS.

by Adam Gomes

XF86Config You have XFree86, not XOrg On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 4:54 PM, Ken Jones <kjones(a)ziplink.net> wrote: > John et al, I think I have a real problem.. Neither OS uses > /etc/X11/xorg.conf as one would expect. > I think there is a book available entitled "Computing in the Middle Ages". > Could it be????? > > First kjones-sun > > [root@kjones-sun X11]# uname -a > Linux kjones-sun 2.4.20-2.3sparc #1 Wed Jan 15 18:27:52 EST *2003* sparc64 > unknow > > ---------- xrandr is not interesting--------------- > > [root@kjones-sun kjones]# xrandr -q > Can't open display (null) > > ----------------no xorg.conf --------- > > [root@kjones-sun kjones]# cd /etc/X11 > [root@kjones-sun X11]# ls > applnk proxymngr twm XF86Config-4 xinit > xsrirc > fs rstart X XF86Config-4.rpmsave xkb > gdm serverconfig xdm XF86Config-5 Xmodmap > lbxproxy starthere XF86Config XF86Config_orig xserver > prefdm sysconfig XF86Config~ XftConfig xsm > [root@kjones-sun X11]# > > > There seems to be no xorg.conf. anywhere. "locate" can not find it. > > ==================================================== > > Now kjones-sun2 > > kjones-sun2 ~ # uname -a > Linux kjones-sun2 2.6.20-gentoo-r5 #4 SMP Tue May 22 20:27:03 Local time > zone mu > st be set--see zic sparc64 sun4u TI UltraSparc I (SpitFire) GNU/Linux > > --------xrandr -q still not interesting-------- > > kjones-sun2 ~ # xrandr -q > Can't open display > > > kjones-sun2 ~ # locate xorg.conf > warning: locate: warning: database /var/lib/slocate/slocate.db' is more > than 8 days old > /usr/portage/app-emulation/vmware-workstation-tools/files/xorg.conf.ferris > /usr/portage/app-emulation/vmware-workstation-tools/files/xorg.conf > /usr/share/man/man5/xorg.conf.5x.bz2 > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.example > ------------------try /etc/X11 for kicks------------------ > > kjones-sun2 ~ # cd /etc/X11 > kjones-sun2 X11 # ls > Sessions app-defaults chooser.sh mwm startDM.sh xinit > xorg.conf.example > kjones-sun2 X11 # > > ------------------xorg.conf looks like an example----------- > > kjones-sun2 ~ # more > /usr/portage/app-emulation/vmware-workstation-tools/files/x > org.conf > --More--(22%) > Section "ServerLayout" > --More--(22%) > Identifier "X.org Configured" > Screen 0 "Screen0" 0 0 > InputDevice "Mouse0" "CorePointer" > InputDevice "Keyboard0" "CoreKeyboard" > EndSection > > Section "Files" > RgbPath "/usr/lib/X11/rgb" > ModulePath "/usr/lib/modules" > FontPath "/usr/share/fonts/misc/" > FontPath "/usr/share/fonts/TTF/" > FontPath "/usr/share/fonts/Type1/" > FontPath "/usr/share/fonts/CID/" > FontPath "/usr/share/fonts/75dpi/" > FontPath "/usr/share/fonts/100dpi/" > EndSection > > Section "Module" > Load "extmod" > Load "dri" > Load "dbe" > Load "record" > Load "xtrap" > Load "glx" > Load "type1" > Load "freetype" > EndSection > > Section "InputDevice" > Identifier "Keyboard0" > Driver "kbd" > EndSection > > Section "InputDevice" > Identifier "Mouse0" > Driver "mouse" > Option "Protocol" "auto" > Option "Device" "/dev/mouse" > EndSection > > Section "Monitor" > Identifier "Monitor0" > VendorName "Monitor Vendor" > ModelName "Monitor Model" > > HorizSync 1-10000 > --More--(75%) > VertRefresh 1-10000 > > ModeLine "640x480" 100 640 700 800 900 480 500 600 700 > ModeLine "800x600" 100 800 900 1000 1100 600 700 800 900 > ModeLine "1024x768" 100 1024 1100 1200 1300 768 800 900 1000 > ModeLine "1152x864" 100 1152 1200 1300 1400 864 900 1000 1100 > ModeLine "1152x900" 100 1152 1200 1300 1400 900 1000 1100 1200 > ModeLine "1280x1024" 100 1280 1300 1400 1500 1024 1100 1200 1300 > ModeLine "1376x1032" 100 1376 1400 1500 1600 1032 1100 1200 1300 > ModeLine "1600x1200" 100 1600 1700 1800 1900 1200 1300 1400 1500 > ModeLine "2364x1773" 100 2364 2400 2500 2600 1773 1800 1900 2000 > > EndSection > > Section "Device" > ### Available Driver options are:- > ### Values: : integer, <f>: float, <bool>: "True"/"False", > ### <string>: "String", <freq>: "<f> Hz/kHz/MHz" > ### [arg]: arg optional > #Option "HWcursor" # [<bool>] > #Option "NoAccel" # [<bool>] > Identifier "Card0" > Driver "vmware" > --More--(90%) > VendorName "VMWare Inc" > BoardName "Unknown Board" > BusID "PCI:0:15:0" > EndSection > > Section "Screen" > Identifier "Screen0" > Device "Card0" > Monitor "Monitor0" > > SubSection "Display" > Viewport 0 0 > Depth 4 > Modes "1024x768" > EndSubSection > > SubSection "Display" > Viewport 0 0 > Depth 8 > Modes "1024x768" > EndSubSection > > SubSection "Display" > Viewport 0 0 > Depth 15 > Modes "1024x768" > EndSubSection > > SubSection "Display" > Viewport 0 0 > Depth 16 > Modes "1024x768" > EndSubSection > > SubSection "Display" > Viewport 0 0 > Depth 24 > Modes "1024x768" > EndSubSection > EndSection > > Thanks, Ken Jones > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > >

Aug. 25, 2009

Re: [Wlug] I've posted on Linux Questions

by E Johnson

I had read that at least one of the Samsung Syncmaster monitors really does (allegedly) work at 120 Hz. At least, certain customer reviews at Newegg seem to indicate that. http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductReview.aspx?Item=N82E16824001311 Good luck,'Liz J 2009/8/23 Ken Jones <kjones(a)ziplink.net>: > Folks, thank you for your help so far. I have made progress. The image on > my screen is still unacceptable. It will be interesting to see whether > linuxquestions can come up with something > > http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-hardware-18/belkin-sun-adapte… > > Ken Jones > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > >

Aug. 23, 2009

I've posted on Linux Questions

by Ken Jones

Folks, thank you for your help so far. I have made progress. The image on my screen is still unacceptable. It will be interesting to see whether linuxquestions can come up with something http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-hardware-18/belkin-sun-adapte… Ken Jones

Aug. 23, 2009

Re: [Wlug] I think I've found the cuprit

by John Stoffel

Ken> I think the monitor/display controlling configuration file in my Ken> Aurora machine is /etc/X11/XF86Config Oh yeah, you're running the Ancient (and forked to xorg.conf) xf86free stuff. Ken> [root@kjones-sun etc]# cd X11 Ken> [root@kjones-sun X11]# ls Ken> applnk proxymngr twm XF86Config-4 xinit xsrirc Ken> fs rstart X XF86Config-4.rpmsave xkb Ken> gdm serverconfig xdm XF86Config-5 Xmodmap Ken> lbxproxy starthere XF86Config XF86Config_orig xserver Ken> prefdm sysconfig XF86Config~ XftConfig xsm Ken> It is too long to send to all. The question is what should it say? Send it.

Aug. 21, 2009

Re: [Wlug] I think I've found the cuprit

by jrm8005＠gmail.com

You'll probably need something that says "ModeLine "number" "number" "number"...." under Display IIRC. > I think the monitor/display controlling configuration file in my Aurora machine is /etc/X11/XF86Config > > [root@kjones-sun etc]# cd X11 > [root@kjones-sun X11]# ls > applnk proxymngr twm XF86Config-4 xinit xsrirc > fs rstart X XF86Config-4.rpmsave xkb > gdm serverconfig xdm XF86Config-5 Xmodmap > lbxproxy starthere XF86Config XF86Config_orig xserver > prefdm sysconfig XF86Config~ XftConfig xsm > > It is too long to send to all. The question is what should it say? > > Ken

Aug. 20, 2009

I think I've found the cuprit

by Ken Jones

I think the monitor/display controlling configuration file in my Aurora machine is /etc/X11/XF86Config [root@kjones-sun etc]# cd X11 [root@kjones-sun X11]# ls applnk proxymngr twm XF86Config-4 xinit xsrirc fs rstart X XF86Config-4.rpmsave xkb gdm serverconfig xdm XF86Config-5 Xmodmap lbxproxy starthere XF86Config XF86Config_orig xserver prefdm sysconfig XF86Config~ XftConfig xsm It is too long to send to all. The question is what should it say? Ken

Aug. 20, 2009

Re: [Wlug] This is an ancient OS.

by Randall Mason

You can run X -version and you can find out about what your computer thinks it is: mason@newdelly:~$ X -version X.Org X Server 1.6.0 Release Date: 2009-2-25 X Protocol Version 11, Revision 0 Build Operating System: Linux 2.6.24-23-server i686 Ubuntu Current Operating System: Linux newdelly 2.6.27-11-generic #1 SMP Wed Apr 1 20:57:48 UTC 2009 i686 Build Date: 09 April 2009 02:10:02AM xorg-server 2:1.6.0-0ubuntu14 (buildd(a)rothera.buildd) Before reporting problems, check http://wiki.x.org to make sure that you have the latest version. If that doesn't produce anything, then the X version is older than X.Org, because X11R6 was renamed X at that point. Try running the above command, but use "X11R6". Also, look at the logs directory, in /var/log there will be either X.org logs or XFree86 logs. Look at the top of those and that should tell you what version you are running. While you're at it, email us the log and we can diagnose the problem better. Randall Mason On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 4:57 PM, Randall Mason <clashthebunny(a)gmail.com>wrote: > The file you need to edit is the XF86Config in /etc/X11, That's what the > config file was before the whole X.Org switchover. > > Randall Mason > > > > On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 4:54 PM, Ken Jones <kjones(a)ziplink.net> wrote: > >> John et al, I think I have a real problem.. Neither OS uses >> /etc/X11/xorg.conf as one would expect. >> I think there is a book available entitled "Computing in the Middle >> Ages". Could it be????? >> >> First kjones-sun >> >> [root@kjones-sun X11]# uname -a >> Linux kjones-sun 2.4.20-2.3sparc #1 Wed Jan 15 18:27:52 EST *2003*sparc64 unknow >> >> ---------- xrandr is not interesting--------------- >> >> [root@kjones-sun kjones]# xrandr -q >> Can't open display (null) >> >> ----------------no xorg.conf --------- >> >> [root@kjones-sun kjones]# cd /etc/X11 >> [root@kjones-sun X11]# ls >> applnk proxymngr twm XF86Config-4 xinit >> xsrirc >> fs rstart X XF86Config-4.rpmsave xkb >> gdm serverconfig xdm XF86Config-5 Xmodmap >> lbxproxy starthere XF86Config XF86Config_orig xserver >> prefdm sysconfig XF86Config~ XftConfig xsm >> [root@kjones-sun X11]# >> >> >> There seems to be no xorg.conf. anywhere. "locate" can not find it. >> >> ==================================================== >> >> Now kjones-sun2 >> >> kjones-sun2 ~ # uname -a >> Linux kjones-sun2 2.6.20-gentoo-r5 #4 SMP Tue May 22 20:27:03 Local time >> zone mu >> st be set--see zic sparc64 sun4u TI UltraSparc I (SpitFire) GNU/Linux >> >> --------xrandr -q still not interesting-------- >> >> kjones-sun2 ~ # xrandr -q >> Can't open display >> >> >> kjones-sun2 ~ # locate xorg.conf >> warning: locate: warning: database /var/lib/slocate/slocate.db' is more >> than 8 days old >> /usr/portage/app-emulation/vmware-workstation-tools/files/xorg.conf.ferris >> /usr/portage/app-emulation/vmware-workstation-tools/files/xorg.conf >> /usr/share/man/man5/xorg.conf.5x.bz2 >> /etc/X11/xorg.conf.example >> ------------------try /etc/X11 for kicks------------------ >> >> kjones-sun2 ~ # cd /etc/X11 >> kjones-sun2 X11 # ls >> Sessions app-defaults chooser.sh mwm startDM.sh xinit >> xorg.conf.example >> kjones-sun2 X11 # >> >> ------------------xorg.conf looks like an example----------- >> >> kjones-sun2 ~ # more >> /usr/portage/app-emulation/vmware-workstation-tools/files/x >> org.conf >> --More--(22%) >> Section "ServerLayout" >> --More--(22%) >> Identifier "X.org Configured" >> Screen 0 "Screen0" 0 0 >> InputDevice "Mouse0" "CorePointer" >> InputDevice "Keyboard0" "CoreKeyboard" >> EndSection >> >> Section "Files" >> RgbPath "/usr/lib/X11/rgb" >> ModulePath "/usr/lib/modules" >> FontPath "/usr/share/fonts/misc/" >> FontPath "/usr/share/fonts/TTF/" >> FontPath "/usr/share/fonts/Type1/" >> FontPath "/usr/share/fonts/CID/" >> FontPath "/usr/share/fonts/75dpi/" >> FontPath "/usr/share/fonts/100dpi/" >> EndSection >> >> Section "Module" >> Load "extmod" >> Load "dri" >> Load "dbe" >> Load "record" >> Load "xtrap" >> Load "glx" >> Load "type1" >> Load "freetype" >> EndSection >> >> Section "InputDevice" >> Identifier "Keyboard0" >> Driver "kbd" >> EndSection >> >> Section "InputDevice" >> Identifier "Mouse0" >> Driver "mouse" >> Option "Protocol" "auto" >> Option "Device" "/dev/mouse" >> EndSection >> >> Section "Monitor" >> Identifier "Monitor0" >> VendorName "Monitor Vendor" >> ModelName "Monitor Model" >> >> HorizSync 1-10000 >> --More--(75%) >> VertRefresh 1-10000 >> >> ModeLine "640x480" 100 640 700 800 900 480 500 600 700 >> ModeLine "800x600" 100 800 900 1000 1100 600 700 800 900 >> ModeLine "1024x768" 100 1024 1100 1200 1300 768 800 900 1000 >> ModeLine "1152x864" 100 1152 1200 1300 1400 864 900 1000 1100 >> ModeLine "1152x900" 100 1152 1200 1300 1400 900 1000 1100 1200 >> ModeLine "1280x1024" 100 1280 1300 1400 1500 1024 1100 1200 1300 >> ModeLine "1376x1032" 100 1376 1400 1500 1600 1032 1100 1200 1300 >> ModeLine "1600x1200" 100 1600 1700 1800 1900 1200 1300 1400 1500 >> ModeLine "2364x1773" 100 2364 2400 2500 2600 1773 1800 1900 2000 >> >> EndSection >> >> Section "Device" >> ### Available Driver options are:- >> ### Values: : integer, <f>: float, <bool>: "True"/"False", >> ### <string>: "String", <freq>: "<f> Hz/kHz/MHz" >> ### [arg]: arg optional >> #Option "HWcursor" # [<bool>] >> #Option "NoAccel" # [<bool>] >> Identifier "Card0" >> Driver "vmware" >> --More--(90%) >> VendorName "VMWare Inc" >> BoardName "Unknown Board" >> BusID "PCI:0:15:0" >> EndSection >> >> Section "Screen" >> Identifier "Screen0" >> Device "Card0" >> Monitor "Monitor0" >> >> SubSection "Display" >> Viewport 0 0 >> Depth 4 >> Modes "1024x768" >> EndSubSection >> >> SubSection "Display" >> Viewport 0 0 >> Depth 8 >> Modes "1024x768" >> EndSubSection >> >> SubSection "Display" >> Viewport 0 0 >> Depth 15 >> Modes "1024x768" >> EndSubSection >> >> SubSection "Display" >> Viewport 0 0 >> Depth 16 >> Modes "1024x768" >> EndSubSection >> >> SubSection "Display" >> Viewport 0 0 >> Depth 24 >> Modes "1024x768" >> EndSubSection >> EndSection >> >> Thanks, Ken Jones >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wlug mailing list >> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >> >> >

Aug. 20, 2009

Re: [Wlug] getting rid of some monitors

by Jared Greenwald

21s taken On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 2:35 PM, Jared Greenwald<greenwaldjared(a)gmail.com> wrote: > I apologize in advance for spamming the list with my want ad. > > I need to get rid of some CRT monitors and am wondering if anyone on > the list would be interested. They are as follows... > > 1x Gateway Vivitron (circa '95) 17" > 1x Compaq MV940 19" > 2x Digital re-branded Trinitron 21" (matched pair) > > The 19" and 21" monitors can each run at 1600x1200 and the 21s have > dual input, which is nice. I used the 21s in a TwinView setup on my > main Ubuntu-based workstation at home for years until I got a LCD last > Christmas. I have power/video cables for all of them, so they are > ready to roll. I had them up on craigslist to try and sell them, but > haven't gotten any hits and it's just time to clear out the space. > The catch is that you would need to come pick them up from me in > Uxbridge. > > Please respond to me privately so we don't spam the list. > > Thanks, > Jared Greenwald >

Aug. 20, 2009

Re: [Wlug] [W

by jrm8005＠gmail.com

> John et al, I think I have a real problem.. Neither OS uses /etc/X11/xorg.conf as one would expect. > I think there is a book available entitled "Computing in the Middle Ages". Could it be????? > If it's a recent version of Xorg, there won't be an xorg.conf. Xorg uses HAL and crappy XML files now. If you know what modeline your monitor needs, create an xorg.conf, put the modeline in, and the monitor should work. The idea is that xorg should figure out what to do automagically, but X sucks and it never works. Giving it a working xorg.conf will make it do what you want, not it's automagic stuff. > First kjones-sun > > [root@kjones-sun X11]# uname -a > Linux kjones-sun 2.4.20-2.3sparc #1 Wed Jan 15 18:27:52 EST 2003 sparc64 unknow > > ---------- xrandr is not interesting--------------- > > [root@kjones-sun kjones]# xrandr -q > Can't open display (null) > > ----------------no xorg.conf --------- > > [root@kjones-sun kjones]# cd /etc/X11 > [root@kjones-sun X11]# ls > applnk proxymngr twm XF86Config-4 xinit xsrirc > fs rstart X XF86Config-4.rpmsave xkb > gdm serverconfig xdm XF86Config-5 Xmodmap > lbxproxy starthere XF86Config XF86Config_orig xserver > prefdm sysconfig XF86Config~ XftConfig xsm > [root@kjones-sun X11]# > > > There seems to be no xorg.conf. anywhere. "locate" can not find it. > > ==================================================== > > Now kjones-sun2 > > kjones-sun2 ~ # uname -a > Linux kjones-sun2 2.6.20-gentoo-r5 #4 SMP Tue May 22 20:27:03 Local time zone mu > st be set--see zic sparc64 sun4u TI UltraSparc I (SpitFire) GNU/Linux > > --------xrandr -q still not interesting-------- > > kjones-sun2 ~ # xrandr -q > Can't open display > > > kjones-sun2 ~ # locate xorg.conf > warning: locate: warning: database /var/lib/slocate/slocate.db' is more than 8 days old > /usr/portage/app-emulation/vmware-workstation-tools/files/xorg.conf.ferris > /usr/portage/app-emulation/vmware-workstation-tools/files/xorg.conf > /usr/share/man/man5/xorg.conf.5x.bz2 > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.example > > ------------------try /etc/X11 for kicks------------------ > > kjones-sun2 ~ # cd /etc/X11 > kjones-sun2 X11 # ls > Sessions app-defaults chooser.sh mwm startDM.sh xinit xorg.conf.example > kjones-sun2 X11 # > > ------------------xorg.conf looks like an example----------- > > kjones-sun2 ~ # more /usr/portage/app-emulation/vmware-workstation-tools/files/x > org.conf > --More--(22%) > Section "ServerLayout" > --More--(22%) > Identifier "X.org Configured" > Screen 0 "Screen0" 0 0 > InputDevice "Mouse0" "CorePointer" > InputDevice "Keyboard0" "CoreKeyboard" > EndSection > > Section "Files" > RgbPath "/usr/lib/X11/rgb" > ModulePath "/usr/lib/modules" > FontPath "/usr/share/fonts/misc/" > FontPath "/usr/share/fonts/TTF/" > FontPath "/usr/share/fonts/Type1/" > FontPath "/usr/share/fonts/CID/" > FontPath "/usr/share/fonts/75dpi/" > FontPath "/usr/share/fonts/100dpi/" > EndSection > > Section "Module" > Load "extmod" > Load "dri" > Load "dbe" > Load "record" > Load "xtrap" > Load "glx" > Load "type1" > Load "freetype" > EndSection > > Section "InputDevice" > Identifier "Keyboard0" > Driver "kbd" > EndSection > > Section "InputDevice" > Identifier "Mouse0" > Driver "mouse" > Option "Protocol" "auto" > Option "Device" "/dev/mouse" > EndSection > > Section "Monitor" > Identifier "Monitor0" > VendorName "Monitor Vendor" > ModelName "Monitor Model" > > HorizSync 1-10000 > --More--(75%) > VertRefresh 1-10000 > > ModeLine "640x480" 100 640 700 800 900 480 500 600 700 > ModeLine "800x600" 100 800 900 1000 1100 600 700 800 900 > ModeLine "1024x768" 100 1024 1100 1200 1300 768 800 900 1000 > ModeLine "1152x864" 100 1152 1200 1300 1400 864 900 1000 1100 > ModeLine "1152x900" 100 1152 1200 1300 1400 900 1000 1100 1200 > ModeLine "1280x1024" 100 1280 1300 1400 1500 1024 1100 1200 1300 > ModeLine "1376x1032" 100 1376 1400 1500 1600 1032 1100 1200 1300 > ModeLine "1600x1200" 100 1600 1700 1800 1900 1200 1300 1400 1500 > ModeLine "2364x1773" 100 2364 2400 2500 2600 1773 1800 1900 2000 > > EndSection > > Section "Device" > ### Available Driver options are:- > ### Values: : integer, <f>: float, <bool>: "True"/"False", > ### <string>: "String", <freq>: "<f> Hz/kHz/MHz" > ### [arg]: arg optional > #Option "HWcursor" # [<bool>] > #Option "NoAccel" # [<bool>] > Identifier "Card0" > Driver "vmware" > --More--(90%) > VendorName "VMWare Inc" > BoardName "Unknown Board" > BusID "PCI:0:15:0" > EndSection > > Section "Screen" > Identifier "Screen0" > Device "Card0" > Monitor "Monitor0" > > SubSection "Display" > Viewport 0 0 > Depth 4 > Modes "1024x768" > EndSubSection > > SubSection "Display" > Viewport 0 0 > Depth 8 > Modes "1024x768" > EndSubSection > > SubSection "Display" > Viewport 0 0 > Depth 15 > Modes "1024x768" > EndSubSection > > SubSection "Display" > Viewport 0 0 > Depth 16 > Modes "1024x768" > EndSubSection > > SubSection "Display" > Viewport 0 0 > Depth 24 > Modes "1024x768" > EndSubSection > EndSection > > Thanks, Ken Jones

Aug. 20, 2009

Re: [Wlug] This is an ancient OS.

by John Stoffel

Look in /etc/X11R6 or something like that. find / -name "*.conf" | less and see what pops up. Gotta run... too bad I can't make the meeting tonight, swim lessons. John

Aug. 20, 2009

Re: [Wlug] This is an ancient OS.

by Randall Mason

The file you need to edit is the XF86Config in /etc/X11, That's what the config file was before the whole X.Org switchover. Randall Mason On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 4:54 PM, Ken Jones <kjones(a)ziplink.net> wrote: > John et al, I think I have a real problem.. Neither OS uses > /etc/X11/xorg.conf as one would expect. > I think there is a book available entitled "Computing in the Middle Ages". > Could it be????? > > First kjones-sun > > [root@kjones-sun X11]# uname -a > Linux kjones-sun 2.4.20-2.3sparc #1 Wed Jan 15 18:27:52 EST *2003* sparc64 > unknow > > ---------- xrandr is not interesting--------------- > > [root@kjones-sun kjones]# xrandr -q > Can't open display (null) > > ----------------no xorg.conf --------- > > [root@kjones-sun kjones]# cd /etc/X11 > [root@kjones-sun X11]# ls > applnk proxymngr twm XF86Config-4 xinit > xsrirc > fs rstart X XF86Config-4.rpmsave xkb > gdm serverconfig xdm XF86Config-5 Xmodmap > lbxproxy starthere XF86Config XF86Config_orig xserver > prefdm sysconfig XF86Config~ XftConfig xsm > [root@kjones-sun X11]# > > > There seems to be no xorg.conf. anywhere. "locate" can not find it. > > ==================================================== > > Now kjones-sun2 > > kjones-sun2 ~ # uname -a > Linux kjones-sun2 2.6.20-gentoo-r5 #4 SMP Tue May 22 20:27:03 Local time > zone mu > st be set--see zic sparc64 sun4u TI UltraSparc I (SpitFire) GNU/Linux > > --------xrandr -q still not interesting-------- > > kjones-sun2 ~ # xrandr -q > Can't open display > > > kjones-sun2 ~ # locate xorg.conf > warning: locate: warning: database /var/lib/slocate/slocate.db' is more > than 8 days old > /usr/portage/app-emulation/vmware-workstation-tools/files/xorg.conf.ferris > /usr/portage/app-emulation/vmware-workstation-tools/files/xorg.conf > /usr/share/man/man5/xorg.conf.5x.bz2 > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.example > ------------------try /etc/X11 for kicks------------------ > > kjones-sun2 ~ # cd /etc/X11 > kjones-sun2 X11 # ls > Sessions app-defaults chooser.sh mwm startDM.sh xinit > xorg.conf.example > kjones-sun2 X11 # > > ------------------xorg.conf looks like an example----------- > > kjones-sun2 ~ # more > /usr/portage/app-emulation/vmware-workstation-tools/files/x > org.conf > --More--(22%) > Section "ServerLayout" > --More--(22%) > Identifier "X.org Configured" > Screen 0 "Screen0" 0 0 > InputDevice "Mouse0" "CorePointer" > InputDevice "Keyboard0" "CoreKeyboard" > EndSection > > Section "Files" > RgbPath "/usr/lib/X11/rgb" > ModulePath "/usr/lib/modules" > FontPath "/usr/share/fonts/misc/" > FontPath "/usr/share/fonts/TTF/" > FontPath "/usr/share/fonts/Type1/" > FontPath "/usr/share/fonts/CID/" > FontPath "/usr/share/fonts/75dpi/" > FontPath "/usr/share/fonts/100dpi/" > EndSection > > Section "Module" > Load "extmod" > Load "dri" > Load "dbe" > Load "record" > Load "xtrap" > Load "glx" > Load "type1" > Load "freetype" > EndSection > > Section "InputDevice" > Identifier "Keyboard0" > Driver "kbd" > EndSection > > Section "InputDevice" > Identifier "Mouse0" > Driver "mouse" > Option "Protocol" "auto" > Option "Device" "/dev/mouse" > EndSection > > Section "Monitor" > Identifier "Monitor0" > VendorName "Monitor Vendor" > ModelName "Monitor Model" > > HorizSync 1-10000 > --More--(75%) > VertRefresh 1-10000 > > ModeLine "640x480" 100 640 700 800 900 480 500 600 700 > ModeLine "800x600" 100 800 900 1000 1100 600 700 800 900 > ModeLine "1024x768" 100 1024 1100 1200 1300 768 800 900 1000 > ModeLine "1152x864" 100 1152 1200 1300 1400 864 900 1000 1100 > ModeLine "1152x900" 100 1152 1200 1300 1400 900 1000 1100 1200 > ModeLine "1280x1024" 100 1280 1300 1400 1500 1024 1100 1200 1300 > ModeLine "1376x1032" 100 1376 1400 1500 1600 1032 1100 1200 1300 > ModeLine "1600x1200" 100 1600 1700 1800 1900 1200 1300 1400 1500 > ModeLine "2364x1773" 100 2364 2400 2500 2600 1773 1800 1900 2000 > > EndSection > > Section "Device" > ### Available Driver options are:- > ### Values: : integer, <f>: float, <bool>: "True"/"False", > ### <string>: "String", <freq>: "<f> Hz/kHz/MHz" > ### [arg]: arg optional > #Option "HWcursor" # [<bool>] > #Option "NoAccel" # [<bool>] > Identifier "Card0" > Driver "vmware" > --More--(90%) > VendorName "VMWare Inc" > BoardName "Unknown Board" > BusID "PCI:0:15:0" > EndSection > > Section "Screen" > Identifier "Screen0" > Device "Card0" > Monitor "Monitor0" > > SubSection "Display" > Viewport 0 0 > Depth 4 > Modes "1024x768" > EndSubSection > > SubSection "Display" > Viewport 0 0 > Depth 8 > Modes "1024x768" > EndSubSection > > SubSection "Display" > Viewport 0 0 > Depth 15 > Modes "1024x768" > EndSubSection > > SubSection "Display" > Viewport 0 0 > Depth 16 > Modes "1024x768" > EndSubSection > > SubSection "Display" > Viewport 0 0 > Depth 24 > Modes "1024x768" > EndSubSection > EndSection > > Thanks, Ken Jones > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > >

Aug. 20, 2009

This is an ancient OS.

by Ken Jones

John et al, I think I have a real problem.. Neither OS uses /etc/X11/xorg.conf as one would expect. I think there is a book available entitled "Computing in the Middle Ages". Could it be????? First kjones-sun [root@kjones-sun X11]# uname -a Linux kjones-sun 2.4.20-2.3sparc #1 Wed Jan 15 18:27:52 EST 2003 sparc64 unknow ---------- xrandr is not interesting--------------- [root@kjones-sun kjones]# xrandr -q Can't open display (null) ----------------no xorg.conf --------- [root@kjones-sun kjones]# cd /etc/X11 [root@kjones-sun X11]# ls applnk proxymngr twm XF86Config-4 xinit xsrirc fs rstart X XF86Config-4.rpmsave xkb gdm serverconfig xdm XF86Config-5 Xmodmap lbxproxy starthere XF86Config XF86Config_orig xserver prefdm sysconfig XF86Config~ XftConfig xsm [root@kjones-sun X11]# There seems to be no xorg.conf. anywhere. "locate" can not find it. ==================================================== Now kjones-sun2 kjones-sun2 ~ # uname -a Linux kjones-sun2 2.6.20-gentoo-r5 #4 SMP Tue May 22 20:27:03 Local time zone mu st be set--see zic sparc64 sun4u TI UltraSparc I (SpitFire) GNU/Linux --------xrandr -q still not interesting-------- kjones-sun2 ~ # xrandr -q Can't open display kjones-sun2 ~ # locate xorg.conf warning: locate: warning: database /var/lib/slocate/slocate.db' is more than 8 days old /usr/portage/app-emulation/vmware-workstation-tools/files/xorg.conf.ferris /usr/portage/app-emulation/vmware-workstation-tools/files/xorg.conf /usr/share/man/man5/xorg.conf.5x.bz2 /etc/X11/xorg.conf.example ------------------try /etc/X11 for kicks------------------ kjones-sun2 ~ # cd /etc/X11 kjones-sun2 X11 # ls Sessions app-defaults chooser.sh mwm startDM.sh xinit xorg.conf.example kjones-sun2 X11 # ------------------xorg.conf looks like an example----------- kjones-sun2 ~ # more /usr/portage/app-emulation/vmware-workstation-tools/files/x org.conf --More--(22%) Section "ServerLayout" --More--(22%) Identifier "X.org Configured" Screen 0 "Screen0" 0 0 InputDevice "Mouse0" "CorePointer" InputDevice "Keyboard0" "CoreKeyboard" EndSection Section "Files" RgbPath "/usr/lib/X11/rgb" ModulePath "/usr/lib/modules" FontPath "/usr/share/fonts/misc/" FontPath "/usr/share/fonts/TTF/" FontPath "/usr/share/fonts/Type1/" FontPath "/usr/share/fonts/CID/" FontPath "/usr/share/fonts/75dpi/" FontPath "/usr/share/fonts/100dpi/" EndSection Section "Module" Load "extmod" Load "dri" Load "dbe" Load "record" Load "xtrap" Load "glx" Load "type1" Load "freetype" EndSection Section "InputDevice" Identifier "Keyboard0" Driver "kbd" EndSection Section "InputDevice" Identifier "Mouse0" Driver "mouse" Option "Protocol" "auto" Option "Device" "/dev/mouse" EndSection Section "Monitor" Identifier "Monitor0" VendorName "Monitor Vendor" ModelName "Monitor Model" HorizSync 1-10000 --More--(75%) VertRefresh 1-10000 ModeLine "640x480" 100 640 700 800 900 480 500 600 700 ModeLine "800x600" 100 800 900 1000 1100 600 700 800 900 ModeLine "1024x768" 100 1024 1100 1200 1300 768 800 900 1000 ModeLine "1152x864" 100 1152 1200 1300 1400 864 900 1000 1100 ModeLine "1152x900" 100 1152 1200 1300 1400 900 1000 1100 1200 ModeLine "1280x1024" 100 1280 1300 1400 1500 1024 1100 1200 1300 ModeLine "1376x1032" 100 1376 1400 1500 1600 1032 1100 1200 1300 ModeLine "1600x1200" 100 1600 1700 1800 1900 1200 1300 1400 1500 ModeLine "2364x1773" 100 2364 2400 2500 2600 1773 1800 1900 2000 EndSection Section "Device" ### Available Driver options are:- ### Values: : integer, <f>: float, <bool>: "True"/"False", ### <string>: "String", <freq>: "<f> Hz/kHz/MHz" ### [arg]: arg optional #Option "HWcursor" # [<bool>] #Option "NoAccel" # [<bool>] Identifier "Card0" Driver "vmware" --More--(90%) VendorName "VMWare Inc" BoardName "Unknown Board" BusID "PCI:0:15:0" EndSection Section "Screen" Identifier "Screen0" Device "Card0" Monitor "Monitor0" SubSection "Display" Viewport 0 0 Depth 4 Modes "1024x768" EndSubSection SubSection "Display" Viewport 0 0 Depth 8 Modes "1024x768" EndSubSection SubSection "Display" Viewport 0 0 Depth 15 Modes "1024x768" EndSubSection SubSection "Display" Viewport 0 0 Depth 16 Modes "1024x768" EndSubSection SubSection "Display" Viewport 0 0 Depth 24 Modes "1024x768" EndSubSection EndSection Thanks, Ken Jones

Aug. 20, 2009

Re: [Wlug] Wlug Digest, Vol 70, Issue 17

by Steven Greenberg

The issue with 60 Hz and the LCD was not flicker. I mentioned visual defects. I meant things like missing pixels. I had to use the analog connection because that was all that was available on the PC that I had just bought. I just looked at the setting now to see if I had really chosen 120 Hz which is still a harmonic of 60Hz. Unfortunately for looking at the setting, I moved three years ago from the house where the office had fluorescent lights. When I set up my computer again in the new house, I must have somehow gone back to the default 60 Hz. There are no fluorescent lights around and there are none of the visual defects I saw in the other house. When I brought my unit back to Fry's electronics they had no such problem in the store from the ceiling lights which were a good 15 or more feet away. They gave me a replacement anyway just to keep me happy. I had not even suspected fluorescent lights at that point. When I got the replacement home, it had the same problem as the first one. I was about to give up on Samsung in disgust when I asked around at work if anybody could figure out the problem. Our computer hardware support person mentioned the fluorescent light idea. I went home, changed the frequency and the problems disappeared. The fluorescent lights in my home office were probably only 4 feet from the LCD. The cause of the problem might have been something completely different, but I cannot come up with another explanation that fits the observations. Maybe I had sympathetic 60 Hz fluctuations from my neighbor's ham radio. Whatever was the cause, getting away from 60Hz seemed to be the solution. /Steve -- Steven Greenberg Email: steve(a)ssgreenberg.name 251 Holland Rd. Phone: (774)241-0095 Fiskdale, Massachusetts 01518-1231 Web: http://www.ssgreenberg.name Other Email: s.greenberg(a)ieee.org ssg(a)alum.mit.edu

Aug. 20, 2009

Re: [Wlug] Here I am begging again.

by John Stoffel

Ken> I have not been making the meetings. That does not mean my SUN Ken> ULTRA1 running Aurora Linux can no longer create 'interesting' Ken> problems. This time the second SUN ULTRA running Gentoo is in Ken> cahoots. Ken> I have a new SAMSUNG SyncMaster flat screen monitor. I have Ken> attached this monitor via a Belkin SUN adapter to my ULTRA1's. This is the 13W3 to VGA (HDB15) analog connector? Not the HDMI connector on the monitor? I've got a ton of Samsung 204Bs at work and they're nice to work on. Ken> It does not work!! The monitor flashes a little square window Ken> saying something about "Not optimum mode". It feels that it has Ken> not been configured correctly. The buttons on the right of the Ken> monitor, which are there to set it up, also do not work with the Ken> SUN's is attached. Ken> The monitor works fine with PC type machinery. The Belkin worked Ken> fine with a regular old tube monitor. (I have not dug out the Ken> old monitor to check whether it still works. I suspect it does.) Ken> Anybody have any ideas? Hmmm... if it was running Solaris I'd say take a look at the m64config command, but that's for Ultra 5/10 boxes. Basically, I think you need to force X to use a certain configuration. What does 'xrandr -query' say? Anything useful? Try editing your /etc/X11/xorg.conf to have a section like this, though you'll need to change the DEVICE from my old Matrox to whatever the Sun is really using. Section "Monitor" Identifier "Samsung LCD" HorizSync 60 EndSection Section "Screen" Identifier "Default Screen" Device "Matrox Graphics, Inc. MGA G400/G450" Monitor "Samsung LCD" DefaultDepth 24 SubSection "Display" Depth 1 Modes "1280x1024" EndSubSection SubSection "Display" Depth 4 Modes "1280x1024" EndSubSection SubSection "Display" Depth 8 Modes "1280x1024" EndSubSection SubSection "Display" Depth 15 Modes "1280x1024" EndSubSection SubSection "Display" Depth 16 Modes "1280x1024" EndSubSection SubSection "Display" Depth 24 Modes "1280x1024" EndSubSection EndSection

Aug. 20, 2009

Re: [Wlug] Here I am begging again.

by jrm8005＠gmail.com

> I thought the whole big deal about refresh rates on LCDs is that they > actually have a florescent light in the back of them that shines through the > liquid crystal. > > I've noticed that it's less of a big deal with LCDs though... I have an LCD that uses LED backlighting, but it still has a refresh rate. > > -Randall > > > On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 3:14 PM, Jim Dibb <jimdibb(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> I don't think refresh rate applies to LCDs in the 'flicker' sense at all. >> Refresh is for scanning (crt) displays that have to keep scanning or the >> phosphor pixels fade out. >> >> LCD pixels are 'ON' or 'OFF' they don't fade out between refreshes. >> >> I believe the new hype on the 120 or 240 Hz refresh on big lcd tvs is all >> about motion interpolation, not flicker. Since the source video framerate >> is still only 24 or 30 Hz. >> >> >> On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 3:04 PM, Richard Klein <richspk(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 2:32 PM, Steven Greenberg<steve(a)ssgreenberg.name> >>> wrote: >>> > I have a Samsung SyncMaster 204B, but it is on a Windows PC. >>> > >>> > As for the frequency, 60 Hz is not good in close proximity to >>> > fluorescent lights. >>> > >>> > I had a lot of visual defects in two different units, until I changed >>> > to 120 Hz(I think). >>> >>> That's true with CRTs. I think it may be less important with LCDs. I >>> have a SyncMaster 213T at home, and if you use the DVI port you have >>> no choice but 60 Hz. I've never noticed any flicker from it. Most of >>> the lighting in my apartment is CFLs. >>> >>> -- >>> Rich >>> Sent from Marlborough, MA, United States >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wlug mailing list >>> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >>> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wlug mailing list >> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >> >>

Aug. 20, 2009

Re: [Wlug] Here I am begging again.

by Randall Mason

http://solutions.3m.com/wps/portal/3M/en_US/Vikuiti1/BrandProducts/secondar… And click on Navigation and choose "Backlight". -Randall On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 3:20 PM, Randall Mason <clashthebunny(a)gmail.com>wrote: > I thought the whole big deal about refresh rates on LCDs is that they > actually have a florescent light in the back of them that shines through the > liquid crystal. > > I've noticed that it's less of a big deal with LCDs though... > > -Randall > > > > On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 3:14 PM, Jim Dibb <jimdibb(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> I don't think refresh rate applies to LCDs in the 'flicker' sense at all. >> Refresh is for scanning (crt) displays that have to keep scanning or the >> phosphor pixels fade out. >> >> LCD pixels are 'ON' or 'OFF' they don't fade out between refreshes. >> >> I believe the new hype on the 120 or 240 Hz refresh on big lcd tvs is all >> about motion interpolation, not flicker. Since the source video framerate >> is still only 24 or 30 Hz. >> >> >> On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 3:04 PM, Richard Klein <richspk(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 2:32 PM, Steven Greenberg<steve(a)ssgreenberg.name> >>> wrote: >>> > I have a Samsung SyncMaster 204B, but it is on a Windows PC. >>> > >>> > As for the frequency, 60 Hz is not good in close proximity to >>> > fluorescent lights. >>> > >>> > I had a lot of visual defects in two different units, until I changed >>> > to 120 Hz(I think). >>> >>> That's true with CRTs. I think it may be less important with LCDs. I >>> have a SyncMaster 213T at home, and if you use the DVI port you have >>> no choice but 60 Hz. I've never noticed any flicker from it. Most of >>> the lighting in my apartment is CFLs. >>> >>> -- >>> Rich >>> Sent from Marlborough, MA, United States >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wlug mailing list >>> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >>> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wlug mailing list >> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >> >> >

Aug. 20, 2009

Re: [Wlug] Here I am begging again.

by Randall Mason

I thought the whole big deal about refresh rates on LCDs is that they actually have a florescent light in the back of them that shines through the liquid crystal. I've noticed that it's less of a big deal with LCDs though... -Randall On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 3:14 PM, Jim Dibb <jimdibb(a)gmail.com> wrote: > I don't think refresh rate applies to LCDs in the 'flicker' sense at all. > Refresh is for scanning (crt) displays that have to keep scanning or the > phosphor pixels fade out. > > LCD pixels are 'ON' or 'OFF' they don't fade out between refreshes. > > I believe the new hype on the 120 or 240 Hz refresh on big lcd tvs is all > about motion interpolation, not flicker. Since the source video framerate > is still only 24 or 30 Hz. > > > On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 3:04 PM, Richard Klein <richspk(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 2:32 PM, Steven Greenberg<steve(a)ssgreenberg.name> >> wrote: >> > I have a Samsung SyncMaster 204B, but it is on a Windows PC. >> > >> > As for the frequency, 60 Hz is not good in close proximity to >> > fluorescent lights. >> > >> > I had a lot of visual defects in two different units, until I changed >> > to 120 Hz(I think). >> >> That's true with CRTs. I think it may be less important with LCDs. I >> have a SyncMaster 213T at home, and if you use the DVI port you have >> no choice but 60 Hz. I've never noticed any flicker from it. Most of >> the lighting in my apartment is CFLs. >> >> -- >> Rich >> Sent from Marlborough, MA, United States >> _______________________________________________ >> Wlug mailing list >> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > >

Aug. 20, 2009

Re: [Wlug] Here I am begging again.

by jrm8005＠gmail.com

> I don't think refresh rate applies to LCDs in the 'flicker' sense at all. > Refresh is for scanning (crt) displays that have to keep scanning or the > phosphor pixels fade out. > > LCD pixels are 'ON' or 'OFF' they don't fade out between refreshes. > > I believe the new hype on the 120 or 240 Hz refresh on big lcd tvs is all > about motion interpolation, not flicker. Since the source video framerate > is still only 24 or 30 Hz. Interesting! > > On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 3:04 PM, Richard Klein <richspk(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 2:32 PM, Steven Greenberg<steve(a)ssgreenberg.name> >> wrote: >> > I have a Samsung SyncMaster 204B, but it is on a Windows PC. >> > >> > As for the frequency, 60 Hz is not good in close proximity to >> > fluorescent lights. >> > >> > I had a lot of visual defects in two different units, until I changed >> > to 120 Hz(I think). >> >> That's true with CRTs. I think it may be less important with LCDs. I >> have a SyncMaster 213T at home, and if you use the DVI port you have >> no choice but 60 Hz. I've never noticed any flicker from it. Most of >> the lighting in my apartment is CFLs. >> >> -- >> Rich >> Sent from Marlborough, MA, United States >> _______________________________________________ >> Wlug mailing list >> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >>

Aug. 20, 2009

Re: [Wlug] Here I am begging again.

by Jim Dibb

I don't think refresh rate applies to LCDs in the 'flicker' sense at all. Refresh is for scanning (crt) displays that have to keep scanning or the phosphor pixels fade out. LCD pixels are 'ON' or 'OFF' they don't fade out between refreshes. I believe the new hype on the 120 or 240 Hz refresh on big lcd tvs is all about motion interpolation, not flicker. Since the source video framerate is still only 24 or 30 Hz. On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 3:04 PM, Richard Klein <richspk(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 2:32 PM, Steven Greenberg<steve(a)ssgreenberg.name> > wrote: > > I have a Samsung SyncMaster 204B, but it is on a Windows PC. > > > > As for the frequency, 60 Hz is not good in close proximity to > > fluorescent lights. > > > > I had a lot of visual defects in two different units, until I changed > > to 120 Hz(I think). > > That's true with CRTs. I think it may be less important with LCDs. I > have a SyncMaster 213T at home, and if you use the DVI port you have > no choice but 60 Hz. I've never noticed any flicker from it. Most of > the lighting in my apartment is CFLs. > > -- > Rich > Sent from Marlborough, MA, United States > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

Aug. 20, 2009

Re: [Wlug] Here I am begging again.

by jrm8005＠gmail.com

> On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 2:32 PM, Steven Greenberg<steve(a)ssgreenberg.name> wrote: >> I have a Samsung SyncMaster 204B, but it is on a Windows PC. >> >> As for the frequency, 60 Hz is not good in close proximity to >> fluorescent lights. >> >> I had a lot of visual defects in two different units, until I changed >> to 120 Hz(I think). > > That's true with CRTs. I think it may be less important with LCDs. I > have a SyncMaster 213T at home, and if you use the DVI port you have > no choice but 60 Hz. I've never noticed any flicker from it. Most of > the lighting in my apartment is CFLs. The only reason CRT flicker bothers the eye is because of the time it takes the electron guns to return to the top of the screen. Since LCDs don't have an electron gun (I think the whole screen refreshes at once), the flicker is not really noticeable since there is no waiting for the gun to reposition. > > -- > Rich > Sent from Marlborough, MA, United States > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Aug. 20, 2009

Re: [Wlug] Here I am begging again.

by Richard Klein

On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 2:32 PM, Steven Greenberg<steve(a)ssgreenberg.name> wrote: > I have a Samsung SyncMaster 204B, but it is on a Windows PC. > > As for the frequency, 60 Hz is not good in close proximity to > fluorescent lights. > > I had a lot of visual defects in two different units, until I changed > to 120 Hz(I think). That's true with CRTs. I think it may be less important with LCDs. I have a SyncMaster 213T at home, and if you use the DVI port you have no choice but 60 Hz. I've never noticed any flicker from it. Most of the lighting in my apartment is CFLs. -- Rich Sent from Marlborough, MA, United States

Aug. 20, 2009

getting rid of some monitors

by Jared Greenwald

I apologize in advance for spamming the list with my want ad. I need to get rid of some CRT monitors and am wondering if anyone on the list would be interested. They are as follows... 1x Gateway Vivitron (circa '95) 17" 1x Compaq MV940 19" 2x Digital re-branded Trinitron 21" (matched pair) The 19" and 21" monitors can each run at 1600x1200 and the 21s have dual input, which is nice. I used the 21s in a TwinView setup on my main Ubuntu-based workstation at home for years until I got a LCD last Christmas. I have power/video cables for all of them, so they are ready to roll. I had them up on craigslist to try and sell them, but haven't gotten any hits and it's just time to clear out the space. The catch is that you would need to come pick them up from me in Uxbridge. Please respond to me privately so we don't spam the list. Thanks, Jared Greenwald

Aug. 20, 2009

Re: [Wlug] Here I am begging again.

by Steven Greenberg

I have a Samsung SyncMaster 204B, but it is on a Windows PC. As for the frequency, 60 Hz is not good in close proximity to fluorescent lights. I had a lot of visual defects in two different units, until I changed to 120 Hz(I think). /Steve -- Steven Greenberg Email: steve(a)ssgreenberg.name 251 Holland Rd. Phone: (774)241-0095 Fiskdale, Massachusetts 01518-1231 Web: http://www.ssgreenberg.name Other Email: s.greenberg(a)ieee.org ssg(a)alum.mit.edu

Aug. 20, 2009

Re: [Wlug] Here I am begging again.

by Ken Jones

The only reference I can find in the Samsung manual (a CD) is to linux running on a PC. I am not getting very far on the WEB either... Hmmmm. I can still get into my machines via HyperTerminal or putty, but I would prefer direct connection. Ken ----- Original Message ----- From: <jrm8005(a)gmail.com> To: <kjones(a)ziplink.net>; <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> Cc: <kjones57(a)alum.mit.edu> Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 1:43 PM Subject: Re: [Wlug] Here I am begging again. >> I have not been making the meetings. That does not mean my SUN ULTRA1 >> running Aurora Linux can no longer create 'interesting' problems. This >> time >> the second SUN ULTRA running Gentoo is in cahoots. >> >> I have a new SAMSUNG SyncMaster flat screen monitor. I have attached >> this >> monitor via a Belkin SUN adapter to my ULTRA1's. It does not work!! The >> monitor flashes a little square window saying something about "Not >> optimum >> mode". It feels that it has not been configured correctly. The buttons >> on >> the right of the monitor, which are there to set it up, also do not work >> with the SUN's is attached. >> >> The monitor works fine with PC type machinery. The Belkin worked fine >> with >> a regular old tube monitor. (I have not dug out the old monitor to check >> whether it still works. I suspect it does.) >> >> Anybody have any ideas? > > Did your monitor come with a manual? If so, you should be able to > find the supported modes listed in a table. Check that your > X/drivers/dongle/etc are using a mode in that table. > >> >> Ken Jones >> kjones(a)ziplink.net >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wlug mailing list >> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > > > -- > Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.7/1232 - Release Date: 1/18/2008 > 7:32 PM > >

Aug. 20, 2009

Re: [Wlug] Here I am begging again.

by jrm8005＠gmail.com

> The only reference I can find in the Samsung manual (a CD) is to linux > running on a PC. I am not getting very far on the WEB either... Hmmmm. I > can still get into my machines via HyperTerminal or putty, but I would > prefer direct connection. Well, if you can't find anything... if you're running the newest X11, you should be able to delete your xorg.conf and the driver should know what to do. If it doesn't, there could be something fishy with your dongle. > > Ken > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <jrm8005(a)gmail.com> > To: <kjones(a)ziplink.net>; <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> > Cc: <kjones57(a)alum.mit.edu> > Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 1:43 PM > Subject: Re: [Wlug] Here I am begging again. > > >>> I have not been making the meetings. That does not mean my SUN ULTRA1 >>> running Aurora Linux can no longer create 'interesting' problems. This >>> time >>> the second SUN ULTRA running Gentoo is in cahoots. >>> >>> I have a new SAMSUNG SyncMaster flat screen monitor. I have attached >>> this >>> monitor via a Belkin SUN adapter to my ULTRA1's. It does not work!! The >>> monitor flashes a little square window saying something about "Not >>> optimum >>> mode". It feels that it has not been configured correctly. The buttons >>> on >>> the right of the monitor, which are there to set it up, also do not work >>> with the SUN's is attached. >>> >>> The monitor works fine with PC type machinery. The Belkin worked fine >>> with >>> a regular old tube monitor. (I have not dug out the old monitor to check >>> whether it still works. I suspect it does.) >>> >>> Anybody have any ideas? >> >> Did your monitor come with a manual? If so, you should be able to >> find the supported modes listed in a table. Check that your >> X/drivers/dongle/etc are using a mode in that table. >> >>> >>> Ken Jones >>> kjones(a)ziplink.net >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wlug mailing list >>> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >>> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.7/1232 - Release Date: 1/18/2008 >> 7:32 PM >> >>

Aug. 20, 2009

Re: [Wlug] Book list with names.

by Randall Mason

I would like the hacking books. Randall Mason randall(a)mason.ch On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 1:41 PM, Sebastian Courtney < sebastian.courtney(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Unfortunately I must a tend a wake tonight so I will not make the meeting. > Feel free to disperse the books I wanted to others. > See you all at the next meeting, > Sebastian > > > On Sat, Aug 15, 2009 at 3:17 PM, Tim Keller <turbofx(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> It's yours! >> >> >> >> On 8/15/09, Eric Martin <freak4uxxx(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> > I would like to claim "Web Hacking: Attacks and Defense" as it looks >> > like nobody else has yet. >> > >> > >> >> Hacking / Security Books: >> >> "Secrets of a super hacker" by The Knightmare. >> >> [S. Courtney] "Hackers Challenge: Test Your Incident Response Skills >> >> Using 20 Scenarios" (3rd Edition) >> >> [S. Courtney] "Hacking Exposed: Network Security Secrets & Solutions" >> > "Web Hacking: Attacks and Defense" >> >> >> >> Math Books: >> >> [Frank Moody] "Discrete Mathematics and Its Applications" by Kenneth H. >> >> Rosen >> >> [Frank Moody] "Languages and Machines" Thomas A Sudkamp >> >> [Alex Haley] "A Primer for Calculus" >> >> >> >> Misc: >> >> [Alex Haley] "Latex" Second edition >> >> [Frank Moody] "The Latex Companion" >> >> [Frank Moody] "Mips RISC Architecture" >> >> "Database Systems" >> >> "Creating Web Pages with HTML" (3rd edition) >> >> [Frank Moody] "Operating Systems: Design and Implementation": Tanenbaum >> >> (includes Minux 2.0 disk!!) >> >> [Frank Moody] "PCI System Architecture" (Third Edition) >> >> >> >> Programming Books: >> >> [Alex Haley] "The C Primer" Third edition (this book is a bit dog >> eared) >> >> [Alex Haley] "A First Book of Ansi C" (a bit dog eared but excellent) >> >> "Tricks of the Game Programming Gurus" >> >> "Practical Programming in Tcl and Tk" >> >> "Virtual Reality Playhouse" >> >> "Creating Turbo C++ Games" (The disk for this book is long lost) >> >> [Keith Wright] "Linux Kernel Programming" (Third Edition) >> >> "Using Java 1.1" (Third Edition) >> >> "Using JavaBeans" (CD Long gone) >> >> [S. Courtney] "Sams' Teach Yourself C++ in 21 Days" (Second Edition) >> >> "Beginning Fedora 2" (Yeah it's 8 versions behind, but as a beginners >> >> guide to red hat linux systems, it's great) >> >> "User Interfaces In C++ And Object-Oriented Programming" by Mark >> Goodwin >> >> "Gardens of Imagination: Programming 3d Maze Games in C/C++" (Disk long >> >> gone) >> >> "NetWarriors In C Programming 3d Multiplaery games" (CD Long gone) >> >> [Ryan Pugatch] "Programming perl" (O'Reilly) >> >> [Ryan Pugatch] "Learning Perl" (O'Reilly) >> >> [Ryan Pugatch] "Perl by Example" (Ellie Quigley) >> >> >> >> Thanks, >> >> Tim. >> > -- >> > Eric Martin >> > Key fingerprint = D1C4 086E DBB5 C18E 6FDA B215 6A25 7174 A941 3B9F >> > >> > >> >> -- >> Sent from Gmail for mobile | mobile.google.com >> >> I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their >> constituents as "consumers". >> _______________________________________________ >> Wlug mailing list >> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >> > > > > -- > Sebastian Courtney > WPI 2012 > ECE+RBE > 617-894-2460 > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > >

Aug. 20, 2009

Re: [Wlug] Here I am begging again.

by Richard Klein

On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 1:42 PM, Ken Jones<kjones(a)ziplink.net> wrote: > I have not been making the meetings. That does not mean my SUN ULTRA1 > running Aurora Linux can no longer create 'interesting' problems. This time > the second SUN ULTRA running Gentoo is in cahoots. > > I have a new SAMSUNG SyncMaster flat screen monitor. I have attached this > monitor via a Belkin SUN adapter to my ULTRA1's. It does not work!! The > monitor flashes a little square window saying something about "Not optimum > mode". It feels that it has not been configured correctly. The buttons on > the right of the monitor, which are there to set it up, also do not work > with the SUN's is attached. > > The monitor works fine with PC type machinery. The Belkin worked fine with > a regular old tube monitor. (I have not dug out the old monitor to check > whether it still works. I suspect it does.) > > Anybody have any ideas? I assume you're using the analog input to the monitor rather than DVI. Is that the case? Either way, 60 Hz refresh is probably what you want for an LCD display. I think the analog input can tolerate other refresh rates, but DVI can only handle 60 Hz. We'd have to look at the monitor specs to figure out what other settings should be. -- Rich Sent from Marlborough, MA, United States

Aug. 20, 2009

Re: [Wlug] Here I am begging again.

by jrm8005＠gmail.com

> I have not been making the meetings. That does not mean my SUN ULTRA1 > running Aurora Linux can no longer create 'interesting' problems. This time > the second SUN ULTRA running Gentoo is in cahoots. > > I have a new SAMSUNG SyncMaster flat screen monitor. I have attached this > monitor via a Belkin SUN adapter to my ULTRA1's. It does not work!! The > monitor flashes a little square window saying something about "Not optimum > mode". It feels that it has not been configured correctly. The buttons on > the right of the monitor, which are there to set it up, also do not work > with the SUN's is attached. > > The monitor works fine with PC type machinery. The Belkin worked fine with > a regular old tube monitor. (I have not dug out the old monitor to check > whether it still works. I suspect it does.) > > Anybody have any ideas? Did your monitor come with a manual? If so, you should be able to find the supported modes listed in a table. Check that your X/drivers/dongle/etc are using a mode in that table. > > Ken Jones > kjones(a)ziplink.net > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Aug. 20, 2009

Here I am begging again.

by Ken Jones

I have not been making the meetings. That does not mean my SUN ULTRA1 running Aurora Linux can no longer create 'interesting' problems. This time the second SUN ULTRA running Gentoo is in cahoots. I have a new SAMSUNG SyncMaster flat screen monitor. I have attached this monitor via a Belkin SUN adapter to my ULTRA1's. It does not work!! The monitor flashes a little square window saying something about "Not optimum mode". It feels that it has not been configured correctly. The buttons on the right of the monitor, which are there to set it up, also do not work with the SUN's is attached. The monitor works fine with PC type machinery. The Belkin worked fine with a regular old tube monitor. (I have not dug out the old monitor to check whether it still works. I suspect it does.) Anybody have any ideas? Ken Jones kjones(a)ziplink.net

Aug. 20, 2009

Re: [Wlug] Book list with names.

by Sebastian Courtney

Unfortunately I must a tend a wake tonight so I will not make the meeting. Feel free to disperse the books I wanted to others. See you all at the next meeting, Sebastian On Sat, Aug 15, 2009 at 3:17 PM, Tim Keller <turbofx(a)gmail.com> wrote: > It's yours! > > > > On 8/15/09, Eric Martin <freak4uxxx(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > I would like to claim "Web Hacking: Attacks and Defense" as it looks > > like nobody else has yet. > > > > > >> Hacking / Security Books: > >> "Secrets of a super hacker" by The Knightmare. > >> [S. Courtney] "Hackers Challenge: Test Your Incident Response Skills > >> Using 20 Scenarios" (3rd Edition) > >> [S. Courtney] "Hacking Exposed: Network Security Secrets & Solutions" > > "Web Hacking: Attacks and Defense" > >> > >> Math Books: > >> [Frank Moody] "Discrete Mathematics and Its Applications" by Kenneth H. > >> Rosen > >> [Frank Moody] "Languages and Machines" Thomas A Sudkamp > >> [Alex Haley] "A Primer for Calculus" > >> > >> Misc: > >> [Alex Haley] "Latex" Second edition > >> [Frank Moody] "The Latex Companion" > >> [Frank Moody] "Mips RISC Architecture" > >> "Database Systems" > >> "Creating Web Pages with HTML" (3rd edition) > >> [Frank Moody] "Operating Systems: Design and Implementation": Tanenbaum > >> (includes Minux 2.0 disk!!) > >> [Frank Moody] "PCI System Architecture" (Third Edition) > >> > >> Programming Books: > >> [Alex Haley] "The C Primer" Third edition (this book is a bit dog eared) > >> [Alex Haley] "A First Book of Ansi C" (a bit dog eared but excellent) > >> "Tricks of the Game Programming Gurus" > >> "Practical Programming in Tcl and Tk" > >> "Virtual Reality Playhouse" > >> "Creating Turbo C++ Games" (The disk for this book is long lost) > >> [Keith Wright] "Linux Kernel Programming" (Third Edition) > >> "Using Java 1.1" (Third Edition) > >> "Using JavaBeans" (CD Long gone) > >> [S. Courtney] "Sams' Teach Yourself C++ in 21 Days" (Second Edition) > >> "Beginning Fedora 2" (Yeah it's 8 versions behind, but as a beginners > >> guide to red hat linux systems, it's great) > >> "User Interfaces In C++ And Object-Oriented Programming" by Mark Goodwin > >> "Gardens of Imagination: Programming 3d Maze Games in C/C++" (Disk long > >> gone) > >> "NetWarriors In C Programming 3d Multiplaery games" (CD Long gone) > >> [Ryan Pugatch] "Programming perl" (O'Reilly) > >> [Ryan Pugatch] "Learning Perl" (O'Reilly) > >> [Ryan Pugatch] "Perl by Example" (Ellie Quigley) > >> > >> Thanks, > >> Tim. > > -- > > Eric Martin > > Key fingerprint = D1C4 086E DBB5 C18E 6FDA B215 6A25 7174 A941 3B9F > > > > > > -- > Sent from Gmail for mobile | mobile.google.com > > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their > constituents as "consumers". > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > -- Sebastian Courtney WPI 2012 ECE+RBE 617-894-2460

Aug. 20, 2009

Re: [Wlug] Article on UNIX 40th anniverasry

by jbaillie＠netzero.com

I actually have played pong on a monitor like that back in my DEC daze. What's even more amusing is the paper tape loader to the right of the monitor. It sure relieved you of toggling in the boot loader. We would actually repair some of the paper tapes. jb ---------- Original Message ---------- From: E Johnson <iris.gates(a)gmail.com> To: Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> Subject: [Wlug] Article on UNIX 40th anniverasry Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 09:59:20 -0400 Good report by the BBC on development of UNIX. Has an interesting photo of a very old round green CRT monitor (in hexagonal case) at a workstation http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/8205976.stm Enjoy, Liz J _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug ____________________________________________________________ Just drop it. Click here for free information on weight loss surgery! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2231/fc/BLSrjnxRbzrvjPpExUGZMIb6GPtO…

Aug. 20, 2009

Article on UNIX 40th anniverasry

by E Johnson

Good report by the BBC on development of UNIX. Has an interesting photo of a very old round green CRT monitor (in hexagonal case) at a workstation http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/8205976.stm Enjoy, Liz J

Aug. 20, 2009

REMINDER: Meeting Thursday, 7 PM

by Andy Stewart

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 HI gang, This is the umpteenth reminder about the upcoming WLUG meeting with maddog as our speaker. Please note the different meeting room: Salisbury Labs room 104. Also, for those of you who are interested in music, check this selection, allegedly made only from the sounds available in Windows XP and Windows 98 (at least the OS is good for something): http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1802740 See ya at the meeting! Andy - -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group (http://www.wlug.org) Chelmsford Linux Meetup Group (http://linux.meetup.com/393) Amateur Radio: KB1OIQ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFKi27iOjiraCaOTOoRAgQfAKCZ135p2dvbYrlqNaMwj2fKZZ2RxwCg0yqN k+tp+5150cDgkqDHU8Zl0i0= =6WcP -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

Aug. 19, 2009

PCMCIA to ExpressCard

by dulsi＠identicalsoftware.com

Well, I purchased a Rosewill RC-608 ExpressCard to CardBus Adapter but apparently linux doesn't support it. When I plug it in with the slimscsi card I get: Aug 18 16:15:44 mars kernel: pciehp 0000:00:1c.1:pcie02: Card present on Slot(0-1) Aug 18 16:15:44 mars kernel: pci 0000:03:00.0: disabling ASPM on pre-1.1 PCIe device. You can enable it with 'pcie_aspm=force' Aug 18 16:15:44 mars kernel: pci 0000:03:00.0: PCI bridge, secondary bus 0000:04 Aug 18 16:15:44 mars kernel: pci 0000:03:00.0: IO window: disabled Aug 18 16:15:44 mars kernel: pci 0000:03:00.0: MEM window: disabled Aug 18 16:15:44 mars kernel: pci 0000:03:00.0: PREFETCH window: disabled Aug 18 16:15:44 mars kernel: pciehp: Could not get hotplug parameters Aug 18 16:15:44 mars kernel: pci 0000:03:00.0: PCI bridge, secondary bus 0000:04 Aug 18 16:15:44 mars kernel: pci 0000:03:00.0: IO window: disabled Aug 18 16:15:44 mars kernel: pci 0000:03:00.0: MEM window: disabled Aug 18 16:15:44 mars kernel: pci 0000:03:00.0: PREFETCH window: disabled I'm assuming "pciehp: Could not get hotplug parameters" means it is not supported. If anyone has suggestions on how to get it to work let me know. Dennis Payne dulsi(a)identicalsoftware.com

Aug. 18, 2009

Re: [Wlug] Fedora 11 and mingw32

by Mike Frysinger

On Friday 14 August 2009 13:57:54 Tatsh wrote: > Mingw32 on Linux is impossible unless you want to do simple Win32 stuff > like calling MessageBox() and running the exe with Wine. I would love to > be able to build Qt4 and SDL apps for Windows under Linux (I use Gentoo) > but it seems it always fails miserably, even when copying libs and > headers from a Windows installation of Mingw. I just run a VM and > compile there, either with gcc or cl (Visual Studio). i use mingw to build large projects frequently like cross toolchains, graphical debuggers, USB debuggers, and havent had any real problems i cant tell you anything about using cmake as everything i do is autotool based and it works just fine -mike

Aug. 16, 2009

Re: [Wlug] Fedora 11 and mingw32

by dulsi＠identicalsoftware.com

Quoting Tatsh <ddrtist(a)gmail.com>: > Mingw32 on Linux is impossible... I hate it when people tell me things are impossible. cmake can't be fixed without changing the FindSDL.cmake. I'd probably have to fix the finding of expat, physfs, and png since I use them as well. Rather than go down that rabbit hole, I started with my existing make file. Hardcoded SDL_FLAGS to -I/usr/i686-pc-mingw32/sys-root/mingw/include/SDL/ instead of running sdl-config. Needed to add mingw32 and SDLmain to the link line. Since compiling SDL_image with mingw32 cross compiler doesn't work with the configure script, I stripped the png loading code and put that directly in my source. Viola everything compiles, runs with wine and runs on my wife's windows box. The project is Bt Builder. It is an open source implementation of the Bard's Tale Construction Set (or at least the beginnings of one). http://identicalsoftware.com/btbuilder/ Dennis Payne dulsi(a)identicalsoftware.com

Aug. 16, 2009

Re: [Wlug] Book list with names.

by Tim Keller

It's yours! On 8/15/09, Eric Martin <freak4uxxx(a)gmail.com> wrote: > I would like to claim "Web Hacking: Attacks and Defense" as it looks > like nobody else has yet. > > >> Hacking / Security Books: >> "Secrets of a super hacker" by The Knightmare. >> [S. Courtney] "Hackers Challenge: Test Your Incident Response Skills >> Using 20 Scenarios" (3rd Edition) >> [S. Courtney] "Hacking Exposed: Network Security Secrets & Solutions" > "Web Hacking: Attacks and Defense" >> >> Math Books: >> [Frank Moody] "Discrete Mathematics and Its Applications" by Kenneth H. >> Rosen >> [Frank Moody] "Languages and Machines" Thomas A Sudkamp >> [Alex Haley] "A Primer for Calculus" >> >> Misc: >> [Alex Haley] "Latex" Second edition >> [Frank Moody] "The Latex Companion" >> [Frank Moody] "Mips RISC Architecture" >> "Database Systems" >> "Creating Web Pages with HTML" (3rd edition) >> [Frank Moody] "Operating Systems: Design and Implementation": Tanenbaum >> (includes Minux 2.0 disk!!) >> [Frank Moody] "PCI System Architecture" (Third Edition) >> >> Programming Books: >> [Alex Haley] "The C Primer" Third edition (this book is a bit dog eared) >> [Alex Haley] "A First Book of Ansi C" (a bit dog eared but excellent) >> "Tricks of the Game Programming Gurus" >> "Practical Programming in Tcl and Tk" >> "Virtual Reality Playhouse" >> "Creating Turbo C++ Games" (The disk for this book is long lost) >> [Keith Wright] "Linux Kernel Programming" (Third Edition) >> "Using Java 1.1" (Third Edition) >> "Using JavaBeans" (CD Long gone) >> [S. Courtney] "Sams' Teach Yourself C++ in 21 Days" (Second Edition) >> "Beginning Fedora 2" (Yeah it's 8 versions behind, but as a beginners >> guide to red hat linux systems, it's great) >> "User Interfaces In C++ And Object-Oriented Programming" by Mark Goodwin >> "Gardens of Imagination: Programming 3d Maze Games in C/C++" (Disk long >> gone) >> "NetWarriors In C Programming 3d Multiplaery games" (CD Long gone) >> [Ryan Pugatch] "Programming perl" (O'Reilly) >> [Ryan Pugatch] "Learning Perl" (O'Reilly) >> [Ryan Pugatch] "Perl by Example" (Ellie Quigley) >> >> Thanks, >> Tim. > -- > Eric Martin > Key fingerprint = D1C4 086E DBB5 C18E 6FDA B215 6A25 7174 A941 3B9F > > -- Sent from Gmail for mobile | mobile.google.com I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

Aug. 15, 2009

Re: [Wlug] Book list with names.

by Eric Martin

I would like to claim "Web Hacking: Attacks and Defense" as it looks like nobody else has yet. > Hacking / Security Books: > "Secrets of a super hacker" by The Knightmare. > [S. Courtney] "Hackers Challenge: Test Your Incident Response Skills > Using 20 Scenarios" (3rd Edition) > [S. Courtney] "Hacking Exposed: Network Security Secrets & Solutions" "Web Hacking: Attacks and Defense" > > Math Books: > [Frank Moody] "Discrete Mathematics and Its Applications" by Kenneth H. > Rosen > [Frank Moody] "Languages and Machines" Thomas A Sudkamp > [Alex Haley] "A Primer for Calculus" > > Misc: > [Alex Haley] "Latex" Second edition > [Frank Moody] "The Latex Companion" > [Frank Moody] "Mips RISC Architecture" > "Database Systems" > "Creating Web Pages with HTML" (3rd edition) > [Frank Moody] "Operating Systems: Design and Implementation": Tanenbaum > (includes Minux 2.0 disk!!) > [Frank Moody] "PCI System Architecture" (Third Edition) > > Programming Books: > [Alex Haley] "The C Primer" Third edition (this book is a bit dog eared) > [Alex Haley] "A First Book of Ansi C" (a bit dog eared but excellent) > "Tricks of the Game Programming Gurus" > "Practical Programming in Tcl and Tk" > "Virtual Reality Playhouse" > "Creating Turbo C++ Games" (The disk for this book is long lost) > [Keith Wright] "Linux Kernel Programming" (Third Edition) > "Using Java 1.1" (Third Edition) > "Using JavaBeans" (CD Long gone) > [S. Courtney] "Sams' Teach Yourself C++ in 21 Days" (Second Edition) > "Beginning Fedora 2" (Yeah it's 8 versions behind, but as a beginners > guide to red hat linux systems, it's great) > "User Interfaces In C++ And Object-Oriented Programming" by Mark Goodwin > "Gardens of Imagination: Programming 3d Maze Games in C/C++" (Disk long > gone) > "NetWarriors In C Programming 3d Multiplaery games" (CD Long gone) > [Ryan Pugatch] "Programming perl" (O'Reilly) > [Ryan Pugatch] "Learning Perl" (O'Reilly) > [Ryan Pugatch] "Perl by Example" (Ellie Quigley) > > Thanks, > Tim. -- Eric Martin Key fingerprint = D1C4 086E DBB5 C18E 6FDA B215 6A25 7174 A941 3B9F

Aug. 15, 2009

Re: [Wlug] Building a System

by Jim Dibb

Good points. I used a Live-thumb-drive to preview eeebuntu. Of course it was also really the only way to install it. No CD on an Asus 901... :) On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 7:26 PM, J.R. Mauro <jrm8005(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 4:15 PM, Jim Dibb<jimdibb(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > I just wanted to comment that installing Windows 7 is a significantly > > improved experience and its relative difficulty is probably not a selling > > point for Linux. > > It is still a far cry from being able to use a Live CD and verify that > the entire system will work perfectly before committing to an > installation. Also, what I like to call the ``post-install blues'' > have not yet been addressed in Windows: i.e., installing a sane > browser, office software, etc. etc. > > > > > >

Aug. 15, 2009

Re: [Wlug] Building a System

by J.R. Mauro

On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 4:15 PM, Jim Dibb<jimdibb(a)gmail.com> wrote: > I just wanted to comment that installing Windows 7 is a significantly > improved experience and its relative difficulty is probably not a selling > point for Linux. It is still a far cry from being able to use a Live CD and verify that the entire system will work perfectly before committing to an installation. Also, what I like to call the ``post-install blues'' have not yet been addressed in Windows: i.e., installing a sane browser, office software, etc. etc. > > Linux has plenty of other selling points and I've installed eeebuntu- NBR > 3.01 on my wife's netbook, and it works really well but not perfectly. The > installation was not foolproof though ( because a certain fool botched it > without realizing it for about 2 months.) And some of the settings (acpi, > for example) still need to modified in a text editor. A well-flogged dead horse of a point: at least when things don't work you can find out why and where and fix them by hand as opposed to not at all. > > Windows 7 on my quad core is not perfect either, (native backup is > problematic, and something's keeping native DVD burning from working) but it > also works really well. There are draconian restrictions on DVD codecs that may or may not have an impact on Windows's ability to do things right. Linux generally lets you do these things in a technically illegal manner depending on where you are and where the person writing the open-source codecs is. The new-fangled DRM-enabled hardware these days may also have something to do with it. > > On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 2:41 PM, Sean Flynn <sflynn(a)flynnsplaza.com> wrote: >> >> I was wondering about why the original poster wanted to buy a system >> with FreeBSD/Linux installed by the manufacturer. Was the intent to >> support a freebsd/Linux friendly vendor, or was it to make everything >> easier. >> >> If possible I like to support Linux friendly vendor. But I can easily >> say that installing Linux is incredibly easy, especially when compared >> to installing windows, I don't know if you can justify extra cost just >> to support a Linux friendly vendor. >> _______________________________________________ >> Wlug mailing list >> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > >

Aug. 14, 2009

Re: [Wlug] Building a System

by Jim Dibb

I just wanted to comment that installing Windows 7 is a significantly improved experience and its relative difficulty is probably not a selling point for Linux. Linux has plenty of other selling points and I've installed eeebuntu- NBR 3.01 on my wife's netbook, and it works really well but not perfectly. The installation was not foolproof though ( because a certain fool botched it without realizing it for about 2 months.) And some of the settings (acpi, for example) still need to modified in a text editor. Windows 7 on my quad core is not perfect either, (native backup is problematic, and something's keeping native DVD burning from working) but it also works really well. On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 2:41 PM, Sean Flynn <sflynn(a)flynnsplaza.com> wrote: > I was wondering about why the original poster wanted to buy a system > with FreeBSD/Linux installed by the manufacturer. Was the intent to > support a freebsd/Linux friendly vendor, or was it to make everything > easier. > > If possible I like to support Linux friendly vendor. But I can easily > say that installing Linux is incredibly easy, especially when compared > to installing windows, I don't know if you can justify extra cost just > to support a Linux friendly vendor. > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

Aug. 14, 2009

Re: [Wlug] Building a System

by Sean Flynn

I was wondering about why the original poster wanted to buy a system with FreeBSD/Linux installed by the manufacturer. Was the intent to support a freebsd/Linux friendly vendor, or was it to make everything easier. If possible I like to support Linux friendly vendor. But I can easily say that installing Linux is incredibly easy, especially when compared to installing windows, I don't know if you can justify extra cost just to support a Linux friendly vendor.

Aug. 14, 2009

Re: [Wlug] Fedora 11 and mingw32

by Tatsh

Mingw32 on Linux is impossible unless you want to do simple Win32 stuff like calling MessageBox() and running the exe with Wine. I would love to be able to build Qt4 and SDL apps for Windows under Linux (I use Gentoo) but it seems it always fails miserably, even when copying libs and headers from a Windows installation of Mingw. I just run a VM and compile there, either with gcc or cl (Visual Studio). dulsi(a)identicalsoftware.com wrote: > I installed fedora 11 on my old laptop and turned back on glitch free > audio. It almost works perfectly. Sufficient that I probably > wouldn't bother turning it off now. > > I think the hard drive is starting to fail so I decided to purchase a > new laptop. Since I'd like some 3D functionality now I decided to go > with the Intel GMA X4500. Unfortunately Fedora 11 stumbled here. I > thought the picture quality wasn't very good and found it was using > the vesa drivers not the intel drivers. Searching found that others > had the same issue but it worked on Fedora 10. Tried a Fedora 10 live > CD and the display was nice and sharp. Modified the xorg.conf to use > the intel drivers and Fedora 11 also became nice and sharp. > > Anyway onto my question, has anyone played with the mingw32 cross > compiler on Fedora 11? I've created a simple hello world app and > cmake file (since I hate autotools). I've got it compiling by > creating a Toolchain file but it seems like that is something that > should be provided with the mingw32. Is there a standard Toolchain > file somewhere and I just haven't found it? > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

Aug. 14, 2009

Re: [Wlug] (no subject)

by John Stoffel

Tim> Here's my .02 cents on building a machine. I'm going to chime in here as well with my thoughts on system building options. 0. Motherboard. - integrated vs discrete graphics. This is a toughie. For a home server, I'd go integrated. Heck, I'd try to get something with a serial console so I could manage it without a KVM, since ideally the system will be headless most of the time and just serving data, etc. - PS/2 mouse/keyboard ports or all USB? Depends on what you have and whether you're replacing it all or using existing stuff. - PCIe slots. - unless you game, don't bother with lots of x16 slots, maybe two, but get as many slots as you can. If you have legacy PCI cards you want to use, that's another factor. Think long term expandability. Remember that PCIe x1 cards will fit in x4,8,16 slots, they just won't get the performance advantage. Doesn't go the other way though. - SATA ports on board. I'd get a bunch if I can, since if you ever load up the system with lots of drives, you want to put off the day you need a PCIe SATA board. This is why I like x4 or x8 slots for the future. 0b. Network Gigabit by default. Upgrade your home switch too. If you can, get dual Gig ports, but don't sweat it too much otherwise. - skip wireless for a desktop, unless you absolutely need to put it somehwere with only power access. Then get an 802.11n card for the system and upgrade your Access Point (AP) as well. Tim> 1. Memory. You can never have too much of it. I'd say try to Tim> get a board that'll do 8GB with the expectation you'll be there Tim> at some point. Absolutely. Spending more on memory is a better idea than more on a slightly faster CPU. Don't sweat DDR2 vs DDR3 at this time unless you're seriously number crunching. Tim> 2. CPU: go duel at a minimum. If you could swing a quad I'd say Tim> go for it. Dual. Sorry, being pedantic. But I agree. I also lean heavily towards AMD because I like that they've been doing documentation drops on their GPUs, and because I want CPU vendor competition, not just one vendor. But as a suggestion, graph CPU speed vs $$$ for a family of systems and look for the sweet spot, which is where the price goes up sharply for just a small gain in speed. Do the same for the number of cores, and put them on the same graph. Think about cache, etc. Right now, the Triple Core AMD X2s looks nice. For a set amount of $$$, I'd personally go with more cores vs higher speed. Also, NEVER overclock. It's just not worth it. Yeah, it makes you feel studly, but esp for a home server, you want stability and low power draw, since it will be on all the time. Oh yeah, think about power disappation. Try to get the lowest wattage parts you can. Another reason why more cores, slower clock freq and lower thermals can be a win. Again, think about whether you really need to spend $100 more to get 200 Mhz of speed. Think how much memory you could buy instead! Or disk space. Tim> 3. Video card: Get something that will do HDMI and is capable of Tim> duel head. I've got a Nvidia GeForce 8400 GS with 512MB of video Tim> memory and it cost me a whopping 40 dollars! The thing to think about is whether you go Dual HDMI, or one VGA and one HDMI. Or do you get Dual HDMI and an HDMI->VGA adaptor. One slot or two? Fanless or big honking fan? If you're not playing games, getting a video card which will have good opensource support is my metric. Go AMD. Also, quiet is nice. Tim> 4. Harddrives: If your going to spring for 1, go ahead and buy Tim> two and then mirror them. Mirrored drives have now saved my ass Tim> on three occasions. Hear hear! It's almost tempting to get an USB thumbdrive to boot from, and the two disks are just a mirror MD RAID setup, with LVM on top. Around $100/per drive is a sweet spot, you can get two 1Tb drives mirrored. Nice. Tim> 5. Case: Honestly I like cases that don't resemble a disco under Tim> my desk. I'm also fond of 120mm case fans. They move a shit Tim> load of air and are quiet. I've gotten and been really happy with the CoolerMaster Centurion 5 all black case without any windows. Lots of bays, nice clean design, plenty of IO ports up front to use with USB/Firewire. Tim> Power Supply: I wouldn't go smaller than a 350W. If you ever Tim> decide to suddenly add two more drives or a burner, nothing sucks Tim> more than your power supply being the weak link. Go with a quiet and energy efficient one if you can. Tim> 6. OS: Do it yourself. I'm not sure if Ubuntu will let you Tim> mirror drives at install, I know the Red Hat family of distros Tim> will. Doing your own install will at least give you an explicit Tim> understanding of what packages you've installed. Heck we could Tim> probably make a meeting out of helping you install and tweak your Tim> machine! Absolutely. Have fun with the system. John

Aug. 14, 2009

REMINDER: Upcoming WLUG meeting

by Andy Stewart

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 HI Everybody, This is the first in an infinite series of reminders about our upcoming WLUG meeting. It will be held on Thursday, August 20th, at 7:00 PM on the WPI campus in Worcester, MA USA. Note that we will be meeting in a different meeting room. The Access Grid room has been recently dismantled and is no longer available for our meetings. Chuck Anderson has secured our use of Salisbury Labs Room 104 (thanks, Chuck!!) for this meeting. Please note that the website has updated directions for this meeting location. Our guest speaker at this meeting will be Jon 'maddog' Hall, and he will be speaking on the topic of "Making Money from Free Software". This promises to be an excellent meeting that you won't want to miss. After the meeting, we'll adjourn to the pizza restaurant (Tech Pizza on Highland Street) for our usual sodas, pizza, and great conversation. I look forward to seeing you at the next meeting. See ya later, Andy - -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group (http://www.wlug.org) Chelmsford Linux Meetup Group (http://linux.meetup.com/393) Amateur Radio: KB1OIQ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFKhK38OjiraCaOTOoRAp1XAKDX4H0Tona7cfWNf4JlM1YtQTTD1ACfZONo auSmqgUQtCjlmgGaCuyJUOk= =Hm9h -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

Aug. 14, 2009

USENIX HotPar '10 Call For Papers Now Available

by Lionel Garth Jones

The Program Committee for the 2nd USENIX Workshop on Hot Topics in Parallelism (HotPar '10) invites you to submit position papers. HotPar '10 will bring together researchers and practitioners doing innovative work in the area of parallel computing. HotPar recognizes the broad impact of multicore computing and seeks relevant contributions in all fields, including application design, languages and compilers, systems, and architecture. We request submissions of position papers that propose new directions for research of products in these areas, advocate non-traditional approaches to the problems engendered by parallelism, or potentially generate controversy and discussion. Submissions are due January 24, 2010. More information and submission guidelines are available at http://www.usenix.org/hotpar10/cfpa We look forward to receiving your submissions! Sincerely, Geoff Lowney, Intel David Patterson, University of California, Berkeley HotPar '10 Program Co-Chairs hotpar10chairs(a)usenix.org

Aug. 13, 2009

Re: [Wlug] Book list with names.

by Keith Wright

> From: Tim Keller <turbofx(a)gmail.com> > > I am weary of the allegiances of any politician who > refers to their constituents as "consumers". Are you sure you're weary and not wary? -- Keith PS: I worry.

Aug. 13, 2009

Re: [Wlug] Book list with names.

by Tim Keller

Actually you're right, totally wrong word, though I do have to say after listening to our politicians babble, I feel myself getting weary. I've fixed the "feature"... On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 5:57 PM, Keith Wright <kwright(a)keithdiane.us> wrote: > > From: Tim Keller <turbofx(a)gmail.com> > > > > I am weary of the allegiances of any politician who > > refers to their constituents as "consumers". > > Are you sure you're weary and not wary? > > -- Keith > > PS: I worry. > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

Aug. 13, 2009

Re: [Wlug] Book list with names.

by Richard Klein

On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 5:57 PM, Keith Wright<kwright(a)keithdiane.us> wrote: >> From: Tim Keller <turbofx(a)gmail.com> >> >> I am weary of the allegiances of any politician who >> refers to their constituents as "consumers". > > Are you sure you're weary and not wary? Or wooly. >From Bull Durham: THE BACK OF THE BUS -- Nuke sits across the aisle from Crash, who's re-reading Thomas Pynchon. Nuke has a guitar and is struggling with some chords to "Try a Little Tenderness". He butchers the chords and the words. NUKE (singing softly) Oh she may get wooly, women do get wooly, because of all the stress... CRASH (in disgust) Gimme that. CRASH STRONGARMS THE GUITAR from Nuke. CRASH I hate people who get the words wrong. It ain't "woolly" it's "weary" and it nobody's got stress, they're wearing a dress. (more at http://www.awesomefilm.com/script/bulldurham.txt) -- Rich Sent from Marlborough, MA, United States

Aug. 13, 2009

Re: [Wlug] (no subject)

by Tim Keller

Here's my .02 cents on building a machine. 1. Memory. You can never have too much of it. I'd say try to get a board that'll do 8GB with the expectation you'll be there at some point. 2. CPU: go duel at a minimum. If you could swing a quad I'd say go for it. 3. Video card: Get something that will do HDMI and is capable of duel head. I've got a Nvidia GeForce 8400 GS with 512MB of video memory and it cost me a whopping 40 dollars! 4. Harddrives: If your going to spring for 1, go ahead and buy two and then mirror them. Mirrored drives have now saved my ass on three occasions. 5. Case: Honestly I like cases that don't resemble a disco under my desk. I'm also fond of 120mm case fans. They move a shit load of air and are quiet. Power Supply: I wouldn't go smaller than a 350W. If you ever decide to suddenly add two more drives or a burner, nothing sucks more than your power supply being the weak link. 6. OS: Do it yourself. I'm not sure if Ubuntu will let you mirror drives at install, I know the Red Hat family of distros will. Doing your own install will at least give you an explicit understanding of what packages you've installed. Heck we could probably make a meeting out of helping you install and tweak your machine! Later, Tim. On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 8:02 AM, Gregory Avedissian <avedis.g(a)verizon.net>wrote: > > > Brian McLinden wrote: > > > > > What do you think about this workaround -- > > http://www.inatux.com/order These are FSF/FOSS people. I can't see > > I would recommend more than their base system. Go with a dual-core cpu and > probably 2G memory, since it's so cheap now ($30-40 at newegg), and bigger > hard drive (e.g. 250GB for around $50). How much do they want with those > upgrades? > > > > > And, for cable broadband and live streaming of audio and video, what > > combination or package(s) of HW ad SW should I ask for. Wired case? > > Wireless case? > > If you're talking about wired vs. wireless network, it's a lot easier to > go with wired. Any linux distro will get you online with a basic desktop > installation. (OK, there are probably exceptions.) You'll also get audio > and video players. For audio and video, you might need to install > additional codecs, but that's generally pretty easy to do. > > Why don't you want to install the OS yourself? > > > > > 4. What Linux distribution would you pair with Unix? > > > > And, what will I learn from one that I don't learn from the other? > > > > I'm just going to reiterate what others said. You'll learn a lot from > installing the OS yourself. Ubuntu is a good choice if you're new to > linux, but anything in the top 5 or 10 in the list at distrowatch.com is > probably a good choice. The installation procedure is pretty easy these > days (on the major distros). > > Leave room on your hard drive for additional partitions to try other > flavors of linux if you want. That's sometimes a better choice than trying > it in a VM, because then you get to see how the OS works with your > hardware. That tends to be more of an issue when you're using the latest > hardware. > > > Greg > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > -- I am weary of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

Aug. 13, 2009

Book list with names.

by Tim Keller

Please keep the other thread going, I'm going to use this thread so people can see what books have been taken. I went email by email and did it on a first come first serve basis... Here's the list with names: Hacking / Security Books: "Secrets of a super hacker" by The Knightmare. [S. Courtney] "Hackers Challenge: Test Your Incident Response Skills Using 20 Scenarios" (3rd Edition) [S. Courtney] "Hacking Exposed: Network Security Secrets & Solutions" "Web Hacking: Attacks and Defense" Math Books: [Frank Moody] "Discrete Mathematics and Its Applications" by Kenneth H. Rosen [Frank Moody] "Languages and Machines" Thomas A Sudkamp [Alex Haley] "A Primer for Calculus" Misc: [Alex Haley] "Latex" Second edition [Frank Moody] "The Latex Companion" [Frank Moody] "Mips RISC Architecture" "Database Systems" "Creating Web Pages with HTML" (3rd edition) [Frank Moody] "Operating Systems: Design and Implementation": Tanenbaum (includes Minux 2.0 disk!!) [Frank Moody] "PCI System Architecture" (Third Edition) Programming Books: [Alex Haley] "The C Primer" Third edition (this book is a bit dog eared) [Alex Haley] "A First Book of Ansi C" (a bit dog eared but excellent) "Tricks of the Game Programming Gurus" "Practical Programming in Tcl and Tk" "Virtual Reality Playhouse" "Creating Turbo C++ Games" (The disk for this book is long lost) [Keith Wright] "Linux Kernel Programming" (Third Edition) "Using Java 1.1" (Third Edition) "Using JavaBeans" (CD Long gone) [S. Courtney] "Sams' Teach Yourself C++ in 21 Days" (Second Edition) "Beginning Fedora 2" (Yeah it's 8 versions behind, but as a beginners guide to red hat linux systems, it's great) "User Interfaces In C++ And Object-Oriented Programming" by Mark Goodwin "Gardens of Imagination: Programming 3d Maze Games in C/C++" (Disk long gone) "NetWarriors In C Programming 3d Multiplaery games" (CD Long gone) [Ryan Pugatch] "Programming perl" (O'Reilly) [Ryan Pugatch] "Learning Perl" (O'Reilly) [Ryan Pugatch] "Perl by Example" (Ellie Quigley) Thanks, Tim. -- I am weary of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

Aug. 13, 2009

Re: [Wlug] Books addendum...

by Ryan Pugatch

Eep! I can't make the next meeting. Tim Keller wrote: > I forgot to put in my original email, I plan on attending the meeting > next week, so I'll have all the books with me. We'll square up then. > > Thanks, > Tim. > > -- > I am weary of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their > constituents as "consumers". > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug -- Ryan Pugatch Systems Administrator, TripAdvisor

Aug. 13, 2009

Re: [Wlug] BOOKS...BOOKS...BOOKS!!!

by Keith Wright

It looks like nobody put the grab on "Linux Kernel Programming" (Third Edition) so I will. No doubt it is out of date, but not as out of date as what I have: Linux Kernel Internals (1994) which covers the new Linux 1.2 kernel. > From: Franklin Moody <fmoody(a)moodman.org> > > On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 09:27:24PM -0400, Tim Keller wrote: > <SNIP> > > "Discrete Mathematics and Its Applications" by Kenneth H. Rosen > > "Languages and Machines" Thomas A Sudkamp > > "A Primer for Calculus" > > "Latex" Second edition > > "The Latex Companion" > > "Mips RISC Architecture" > > "Operating Systems: Design and Implementation": > > Tanenbaum (includes Minux 2.0 disk!!) > > "PCI System Architecture" (Third Edition) > > I'll call dibs on these if nobody else is > wanting them... Greedy, yes, so I'll give up > anything anybody else wants.. Curiosity does impel > and I can't turn a possibly interesting book away. Those are the ones that caught my eye, but I would have to look at them to know if I actually wanted them. It looks like it will be a fight to the death over a Calculus Primer...or not. I am shocked that someone would want to get rid of LaTeX books, but presumably you have newer editions. I think I have all I need of LaTeX, if not exactly those, and I have the PCI Arch. 3rd ed. Mips Architecture would interest me if it were the kind of book you needed to write a code generator for a MIPS(tm) processor, but not if it were generic happy talk about how RISC is good. The first two books I don't know. Could be just what I have been searching for all these years, but more likely just another routine presentation of stuff I learned decades ago. According to Amazon, Tanenbaum is up to edition 3, Minix 3, and they want $100 for it, and so Minix 2 is no doubt a collecter's item worth thousands. But I probably don't need it. -- Keith

Aug. 13, 2009

Re: [Wlug] BOOKS...BOOKS...BOOKS!!!

by E Johnson

I would like "Hacking Exposed: Network Security Secrets & Solutions" -- hoping it will help solve some of the network weirdness here, or at least improve my learning curve. Thanks! Liz J

Aug. 13, 2009

Re: [Wlug] BOOKS...BOOKS...BOOKS!!!

by Sebastian Courtney

I'd like to snag these four if nobody else wants them. > > "Hackers Challenge: Test Your Incident Response Skills Using 20 Scenarios" > (3rd Edition) > "Hacking Exposed: Network Security Secrets & Solutions" > > "The C Primer" Third edition (this book is a bit dog eared) > "Sams' Teach Yourself C++ in 21 Days" (Second Edition) > > > -- Sebastian Courtney WPI 2012 ECE+RBE 617-894-2460

Aug. 13, 2009

Re: [Wlug] BOOKS...BOOKS...BOOKS!!!

by Franklin Moody

On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 09:27:24PM -0400, Tim Keller wrote: <SNIP> > "Discrete Mathematics and Its Applications" by Kenneth H. Rosen > "Languages and Machines" Thomas A Sudkamp > "A Primer for Calculus" > "Latex" Second edition > "The Latex Companion" > "Mips RISC Architecture" > "Operating Systems: Design and Implementation": Tanenbaum (includes > Minux 2.0 disk!!) > "PCI System Architecture" (Third Edition) I'll call dibs on these if nobody else is wanting them... Greedy, yes, so I'll give up anything anybody else wants.. Curiosity does impel and I can't turn a possibly interesting book away. Frank

Aug. 13, 2009

Re: [Wlug] August WLUG meeting

by Al Rreinhart

Andy, The following message will go out to the IEEE Worcester County Section members tomorrow: Al -------------------------- Making Money from Free Software Jon 'maddog' Hall 7:00 PM Thursday August 20, 2009 Worcester Linux User Group On Thursday, August 20 Jon "maddog" Hall, Executive Director of Linux International, will discuss "Making Money from Free Software" at the Worcester Linux User Group. You can learn more about Jon and his accomplishments at his wikipedia page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maddog Directions to the Worcester Linux User Group can be found at http://wlug.org/directions.html The Worcester Linux User Group (WLUG) home page can be found at http://wlug.org The ExCom always welcomes your input, involvement and contributions toward making Worcester section activities more meaningful professional experiences. There is a standing, open invention to all section members to attend our monthly ExCom meetings. The meetings, which start at 6:30pm with pizza and soft drinks, are held on the second Wednesday of the month. If you plan on attending please call, (508) 869-6417, or email me, AlReinhart(a)ieee.org , for directions. Al Reinhart, Chairman Worcester County Section Region 1 PACE Coordinator 2010 Region 1 Director-Elect Candidate ( ieee.AlReinhart.com ) Andy Stewart wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Al Rreinhart wrote: >> Andy, >> >> I would like to announce the August WLUG meeting to the IEEE Worcester >> County Section members. Do you have any additional information about >> maddog and what his talk will be about? I need something to put >> together a description of the meeting and the speaker. Does maddog >> have a website? >> >> Thanks, >> >> Al > > HI Al, > > I don't have any other information than what I posted on the WLUG > website. Thanks for offering to announce the WLUG meeting to the IEEE > Worcester County Section members. > > See ya later, > > Andy > > - -- > Andy Stewart, Founder > Worcester Linux Users' Group (http://www.wlug.org) > Chelmsford Linux Meetup Group (http://linux.meetup.com/393) > Amateur Radio: KB1OIQ > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > > iD8DBQFKfLzWOjiraCaOTOoRAkKBAJ4w7DIkHG0UGDdsx5r70ZeCUrk2UwCfcm8y > mBadLfvRRLT5K38lD2VKuCk= > =lc7+ > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > -- ---------------------------------- Al Reinhart Phone: (508) 869-6417 DisCom Systems eMail: Reinhart(a)DisCom.com www.DisCom.com

Aug. 13, 2009

Re: [Wlug] August WLUG meeting

by Al Rreinhart

Rich, Thanks, Al Richard Klein wrote: > On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 10:04 PM, Al Rreinhart <Reinhart(a)discom.com > <mailto:Reinhart@discom.com>> wrote: > > Andy, > > I would like to announce the August WLUG meeting to the IEEE Worcester > County Section members. Do you have any additional information about > maddog and what his talk will be about? I need something to put > together a description of the meeting and the speaker. Does maddog > have a website? > > Thanks, > > Al > > > Maddog has a wikipedia entry: > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maddog > > -- > Rich > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug -- ---------------------------------- Al Reinhart Phone: (508) 869-6417 DisCom Systems eMail: Reinhart(a)DisCom.com www.DisCom.com

Aug. 13, 2009

Books addendum...

by Tim Keller

I forgot to put in my original email, I plan on attending the meeting next week, so I'll have all the books with me. We'll square up then. Thanks, Tim. -- I am weary of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

Aug. 13, 2009

Re: [Wlug] BOOKS...BOOKS...BOOKS!!!

by Tim Keller

Nope, you claimed them, they're yours! On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 10:48 PM, Ryan Pugatch <rpug(a)tripadvisor.com> wrote: > I would be interested in: > "Programming perl" (O'Reilly) > "Learning Perl" (O'Reilly) > "Perl by Example" (Ellie Quigley) > > Being new to wlug, I will pass if someone else were interested in them > (no fight to the death necessary) > > > -- > Ryan Pugatch > Systems Administrator, TripAdvisor > > > Tim Keller wrote: > > Hey Gang! > > > > To make a long story short, I'm going through a book purge. Obviously > > being my friends, I thought I'd give you guys first dibs before I donate > > anything. > > > > If you want something, declare it on the list. Any disagreements will > > be handled with duels to the death (obviously the winner gets the book + > > any books the loser also claimed...) > > > > Here's the list: > > > > Hacking / Security Books: > > "Secrets of a super hacker" by The Knightmare. > > "Hackers Challenge: Test Your Incident Response Skills Using 20 > > Scenarios" (3rd Edition) > > "Hacking Exposed: Network Security Secrets & Solutions" > > "Web Hacking: Attacks and Defense" > > > > Math Books: > > "Discrete Mathematics and Its Applications" by Kenneth H. Rosen > > "Languages and Machines" Thomas A Sudkamp > > "A Primer for Calculus" > > > > Misc: > > "Latex" Second edition > > "The Latex Companion" > > "Mips RISC Architecture" > > "Database Systems" > > "Creating Web Pages with HTML" (3rd edition) > > "Operating Systems: Design and Implementation": Tanenbaum (includes > > Minux 2.0 disk!!) > > "PCI System Architecture" (Third Edition) > > > > Programming Books: > > "The C Primer" Third edition (this book is a bit dog eared) > > "Tricks of the Game Programming Gurus" > > "Practical Programming in Tcl and Tk" > > "Virtual Reality Playhouse" > > "Creating Turbo C++ Games" (The disk for this book is long lost) > > "Linux Kernel Programming" (Third Edition) > > "Using Java 1.1" (Third Edition) > > "Using JavaBeans" (CD Long gone) > > "Sams' Teach Yourself C++ in 21 Days" (Second Edition) > > "Beginning Fedora 2" (Yeah it's 8 versions behind, but as a beginners > > guide to red hat linux systems, it's great) > > "User Interfaces In C++ And Object-Oriented Programming" by Mark Goodwin > > "Gardens of Imagination: Programming 3d Maze Games in C/C++" (Disk long > > gone) > > "NetWarriors In C Programming 3d Multiplaery games" (CD Long gone) > > "Programming perl" (O'Reilly) > > "Learning Perl" (O'Reilly) > > "Perl by Example" (Ellie Quigley) > > "A First Book of Ansi C" (a bit dog eared but excellent) > > > > Thanks, > > Tim. > > -- > > I am weary of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their > > constituents as "consumers". > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wlug mailing list > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > -- I am weary of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

Aug. 13, 2009

Re: [Wlug] BOOKS...BOOKS...BOOKS!!!

by Ryan Pugatch

I would be interested in: "Programming perl" (O'Reilly) "Learning Perl" (O'Reilly) "Perl by Example" (Ellie Quigley) Being new to wlug, I will pass if someone else were interested in them (no fight to the death necessary) -- Ryan Pugatch Systems Administrator, TripAdvisor Tim Keller wrote: > Hey Gang! > > To make a long story short, I'm going through a book purge. Obviously > being my friends, I thought I'd give you guys first dibs before I donate > anything. > > If you want something, declare it on the list. Any disagreements will > be handled with duels to the death (obviously the winner gets the book + > any books the loser also claimed...) > > Here's the list: > > Hacking / Security Books: > "Secrets of a super hacker" by The Knightmare. > "Hackers Challenge: Test Your Incident Response Skills Using 20 > Scenarios" (3rd Edition) > "Hacking Exposed: Network Security Secrets & Solutions" > "Web Hacking: Attacks and Defense" > > Math Books: > "Discrete Mathematics and Its Applications" by Kenneth H. Rosen > "Languages and Machines" Thomas A Sudkamp > "A Primer for Calculus" > > Misc: > "Latex" Second edition > "The Latex Companion" > "Mips RISC Architecture" > "Database Systems" > "Creating Web Pages with HTML" (3rd edition) > "Operating Systems: Design and Implementation": Tanenbaum (includes > Minux 2.0 disk!!) > "PCI System Architecture" (Third Edition) > > Programming Books: > "The C Primer" Third edition (this book is a bit dog eared) > "Tricks of the Game Programming Gurus" > "Practical Programming in Tcl and Tk" > "Virtual Reality Playhouse" > "Creating Turbo C++ Games" (The disk for this book is long lost) > "Linux Kernel Programming" (Third Edition) > "Using Java 1.1" (Third Edition) > "Using JavaBeans" (CD Long gone) > "Sams' Teach Yourself C++ in 21 Days" (Second Edition) > "Beginning Fedora 2" (Yeah it's 8 versions behind, but as a beginners > guide to red hat linux systems, it's great) > "User Interfaces In C++ And Object-Oriented Programming" by Mark Goodwin > "Gardens of Imagination: Programming 3d Maze Games in C/C++" (Disk long > gone) > "NetWarriors In C Programming 3d Multiplaery games" (CD Long gone) > "Programming perl" (O'Reilly) > "Learning Perl" (O'Reilly) > "Perl by Example" (Ellie Quigley) > "A First Book of Ansi C" (a bit dog eared but excellent) > > Thanks, > Tim. > -- > I am weary of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their > constituents as "consumers". > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Aug. 13, 2009

BOOKS...BOOKS...BOOKS!!!

by Tim Keller

Hey Gang! To make a long story short, I'm going through a book purge. Obviously being my friends, I thought I'd give you guys first dibs before I donate anything. If you want something, declare it on the list. Any disagreements will be handled with duels to the death (obviously the winner gets the book + any books the loser also claimed...) Here's the list: Hacking / Security Books: "Secrets of a super hacker" by The Knightmare. "Hackers Challenge: Test Your Incident Response Skills Using 20 Scenarios" (3rd Edition) "Hacking Exposed: Network Security Secrets & Solutions" "Web Hacking: Attacks and Defense" Math Books: "Discrete Mathematics and Its Applications" by Kenneth H. Rosen "Languages and Machines" Thomas A Sudkamp "A Primer for Calculus" Misc: "Latex" Second edition "The Latex Companion" "Mips RISC Architecture" "Database Systems" "Creating Web Pages with HTML" (3rd edition) "Operating Systems: Design and Implementation": Tanenbaum (includes Minux 2.0 disk!!) "PCI System Architecture" (Third Edition) Programming Books: "The C Primer" Third edition (this book is a bit dog eared) "Tricks of the Game Programming Gurus" "Practical Programming in Tcl and Tk" "Virtual Reality Playhouse" "Creating Turbo C++ Games" (The disk for this book is long lost) "Linux Kernel Programming" (Third Edition) "Using Java 1.1" (Third Edition) "Using JavaBeans" (CD Long gone) "Sams' Teach Yourself C++ in 21 Days" (Second Edition) "Beginning Fedora 2" (Yeah it's 8 versions behind, but as a beginners guide to red hat linux systems, it's great) "User Interfaces In C++ And Object-Oriented Programming" by Mark Goodwin "Gardens of Imagination: Programming 3d Maze Games in C/C++" (Disk long gone) "NetWarriors In C Programming 3d Multiplaery games" (CD Long gone) "Programming perl" (O'Reilly) "Learning Perl" (O'Reilly) "Perl by Example" (Ellie Quigley) "A First Book of Ansi C" (a bit dog eared but excellent) Thanks, Tim. -- I am weary of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

Aug. 13, 2009

Re: [Wlug] non-Linux: Looking for a free kitten locally

by Chuck Anderson

On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 03:45:45PM -0400, Jamie Guinan wrote: > http://countenance.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/linux-cat.jpg I posted this to the IRC channel earlier: http://www.ex-parrot.com/~pete/upside-down-ternet.html It's related to the kitten topic because it points to: http://www.kittenwar.com/

Aug. 12, 2009

Re: [Wlug] non-Linux: Looking for a free kitten locally

by Jamie Guinan

Lol, you're right! And I commend you on your keen eyesight. :) -Jamie On Wed, 12 Aug 2009, Randall Mason wrote: > I feel all betrayed, it says Linux on the bottom, but it's clearley > FreeBSD... > Just kidding about the betrayal, it's more just sadness :-) > > Randall Mason > randall(a)mason.ch > > > On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 3:45 PM, Jamie Guinan <guinan(a)bluebutton.com> wrote: > > > > > And just to keep this on topic, here's a picture of a cat and > > Linux: > > > > http://countenance.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/linux-cat.jpg > > > > -Jamie > > > > > > On Wed, 12 Aug 2009, Jamie Guinan wrote: > > > > > > > > I suspect the amount you would pay at the animal shelter would PALE > > > next to what you are going to pay for vet bills, spaying/neutering > > > (usually done around 6 mos as I recall), food, etc. So despite your > > > comment, I'll plug these guys: > > > > > > http://www.worcester-arl.org/catsAdoption.html > > > > > > But for another source, people are giving away kittens all the time > > > on Worcester freecycle. Its a Yahoo groups thing, which totally > > > sucks balls, but I have found good stuff on there from time to time. > > > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/WorcesterMAfreecycle/ > > > > > > Example: > > > > > > Wed Jul 29, 2009 4:50 pm > > > offer: young grey kitten with white paws 01604 > > > > > > -Jamie > > > > > > > > > On Wed, 12 Aug 2009, Tatsh wrote: > > > > > > > I know I have not ever sent an email, but I've been on the mailing list > > > > for some time. Been extremely interested in going to meetings but just > > > > have not done so yet. > > > > > > > > If you are local, and have healthy kittens to give away or know anyone > > > > who does locally (I live in Lancaster, about 20 minutes away from > > > > Worcester), please respond. Looking to just get one, at maximum 5 > > months > > > > old. > > > > > > > > I have been scouring the web and craigslist and have not found much. I > > > > do not really want to drop the amount they want at the local animal > > shelter. > > > > > > > > Any help appreciated. > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > Andrew > > > > 978-870-5908 > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Wlug mailing list > > > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wlug mailing list > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > >

Aug. 12, 2009

Re: [Wlug] non-Linux: Looking for a free kitten locally

by Ryan Pugatch

If you feel like going to Ashland, then I recommend: http://webpaws.com/mwhs/ They have a nice facility and seem to take good care of the cats there. Tal Cohen wrote: > I recommend the Sterling Animal Shelter. We got our dog there. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: wlug-bounces(a)mail.wlug.org [mailto:wlug-bounces@mail.wlug.org] On > Behalf Of Jamie Guinan > Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 3:41 PM > To: Tatsh > Cc: Worcester Linux Users Group > Subject: Re: [Wlug] non-Linux: Looking for a free kitten locally > > > I suspect the amount you would pay at the animal shelter would PALE next to > what you are going to pay for vet bills, spaying/neutering (usually done > around 6 mos as I recall), food, etc. So despite your comment, I'll plug > these guys: > > http://www.worcester-arl.org/catsAdoption.html > > But for another source, people are giving away kittens all the time on > Worcester freecycle. Its a Yahoo groups thing, which totally sucks balls, > but I have found good stuff on there from time to time. > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/WorcesterMAfreecycle/ > > Example: > > Wed Jul 29, 2009 4:50 pm > offer: young grey kitten with white paws 01604 > > -Jamie > > > On Wed, 12 Aug 2009, Tatsh wrote: > >> I know I have not ever sent an email, but I've been on the mailing >> list for some time. Been extremely interested in going to meetings but >> just have not done so yet. >> >> If you are local, and have healthy kittens to give away or know anyone >> who does locally (I live in Lancaster, about 20 minutes away from >> Worcester), please respond. Looking to just get one, at maximum 5 >> months old. >> >> I have been scouring the web and craigslist and have not found much. I >> do not really want to drop the amount they want at the local animal > shelter. >> Any help appreciated. >> >> Thanks >> Andrew >> 978-870-5908 >> _______________________________________________ >> Wlug mailing list >> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >> > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug -- Ryan Pugatch Systems Administrator, TripAdvisor

Aug. 12, 2009

Re: [Wlug] non-Linux: Looking for a free kitten locally

by Tal Cohen

I recommend the Sterling Animal Shelter. We got our dog there. -----Original Message----- From: wlug-bounces(a)mail.wlug.org [mailto:wlug-bounces@mail.wlug.org] On Behalf Of Jamie Guinan Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 3:41 PM To: Tatsh Cc: Worcester Linux Users Group Subject: Re: [Wlug] non-Linux: Looking for a free kitten locally I suspect the amount you would pay at the animal shelter would PALE next to what you are going to pay for vet bills, spaying/neutering (usually done around 6 mos as I recall), food, etc. So despite your comment, I'll plug these guys: http://www.worcester-arl.org/catsAdoption.html But for another source, people are giving away kittens all the time on Worcester freecycle. Its a Yahoo groups thing, which totally sucks balls, but I have found good stuff on there from time to time. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/WorcesterMAfreecycle/ Example: Wed Jul 29, 2009 4:50 pm offer: young grey kitten with white paws 01604 -Jamie On Wed, 12 Aug 2009, Tatsh wrote: > I know I have not ever sent an email, but I've been on the mailing > list for some time. Been extremely interested in going to meetings but > just have not done so yet. > > If you are local, and have healthy kittens to give away or know anyone > who does locally (I live in Lancaster, about 20 minutes away from > Worcester), please respond. Looking to just get one, at maximum 5 > months old. > > I have been scouring the web and craigslist and have not found much. I > do not really want to drop the amount they want at the local animal shelter. > > Any help appreciated. > > Thanks > Andrew > 978-870-5908 > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Aug. 12, 2009

Re: [Wlug] non-Linux: Looking for a free kitten locally

by Mike Leo

http://www.catsontheweb.org/ ________________________________ From: Jamie Guinan <guinan(a)bluebutton.com> To: Tatsh <ddrtist(a)gmail.com> Cc: Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 3:41:03 PM Subject: Re: [Wlug] non-Linux: Looking for a free kitten locally I suspect the amount you would pay at the animal shelter would PALE next to what you are going to pay for vet bills, spaying/neutering (usually done around 6 mos as I recall), food, etc. So despite your comment, I'll plug these guys: http://www.worcester-arl.org/catsAdoption.html But for another source, people are giving away kittens all the time on Worcester freecycle. Its a Yahoo groups thing, which totally sucks balls, but I have found good stuff on there from time to time. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/WorcesterMAfreecycle/ Example: Wed Jul 29, 2009 4:50 pm offer: young grey kitten with white paws 01604 -Jamie On Wed, 12 Aug 2009, Tatsh wrote: > I know I have not ever sent an email, but I've been on the mailing list > for some time. Been extremely interested in going to meetings but just > have not done so yet. > > If you are local, and have healthy kittens to give away or know anyone > who does locally (I live in Lancaster, about 20 minutes away from > Worcester), please respond. Looking to just get one, at maximum 5 months > old. > > I have been scouring the web and craigslist and have not found much. I > do not really want to drop the amount they want at the local animal shelter. > > Any help appreciated. > > Thanks > Andrew > 978-870-5908 > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Aug. 12, 2009

Re: [Wlug] non-Linux: Looking for a free kitten locally

by Jamie Guinan

And just to keep this on topic, here's a picture of a cat and Linux: http://countenance.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/linux-cat.jpg -Jamie On Wed, 12 Aug 2009, Jamie Guinan wrote: > > I suspect the amount you would pay at the animal shelter would PALE > next to what you are going to pay for vet bills, spaying/neutering > (usually done around 6 mos as I recall), food, etc. So despite your > comment, I'll plug these guys: > > http://www.worcester-arl.org/catsAdoption.html > > But for another source, people are giving away kittens all the time > on Worcester freecycle. Its a Yahoo groups thing, which totally > sucks balls, but I have found good stuff on there from time to time. > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/WorcesterMAfreecycle/ > > Example: > > Wed Jul 29, 2009 4:50 pm > offer: young grey kitten with white paws 01604 > > -Jamie > > > On Wed, 12 Aug 2009, Tatsh wrote: > > > I know I have not ever sent an email, but I've been on the mailing list > > for some time. Been extremely interested in going to meetings but just > > have not done so yet. > > > > If you are local, and have healthy kittens to give away or know anyone > > who does locally (I live in Lancaster, about 20 minutes away from > > Worcester), please respond. Looking to just get one, at maximum 5 months > > old. > > > > I have been scouring the web and craigslist and have not found much. I > > do not really want to drop the amount they want at the local animal shelter. > > > > Any help appreciated. > > > > Thanks > > Andrew > > 978-870-5908 > > _______________________________________________ > > Wlug mailing list > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > >

Aug. 12, 2009

Re: [Wlug] non-Linux: Looking for a free kitten locally

by Jamie Guinan

I suspect the amount you would pay at the animal shelter would PALE next to what you are going to pay for vet bills, spaying/neutering (usually done around 6 mos as I recall), food, etc. So despite your comment, I'll plug these guys: http://www.worcester-arl.org/catsAdoption.html But for another source, people are giving away kittens all the time on Worcester freecycle. Its a Yahoo groups thing, which totally sucks balls, but I have found good stuff on there from time to time. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/WorcesterMAfreecycle/ Example: Wed Jul 29, 2009 4:50 pm offer: young grey kitten with white paws 01604 -Jamie On Wed, 12 Aug 2009, Tatsh wrote: > I know I have not ever sent an email, but I've been on the mailing list > for some time. Been extremely interested in going to meetings but just > have not done so yet. > > If you are local, and have healthy kittens to give away or know anyone > who does locally (I live in Lancaster, about 20 minutes away from > Worcester), please respond. Looking to just get one, at maximum 5 months > old. > > I have been scouring the web and craigslist and have not found much. I > do not really want to drop the amount they want at the local animal shelter. > > Any help appreciated. > > Thanks > Andrew > 978-870-5908 > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

Aug. 12, 2009

non-Linux: Looking for a free kitten locally

by Tatsh

I know I have not ever sent an email, but I've been on the mailing list for some time. Been extremely interested in going to meetings but just have not done so yet. If you are local, and have healthy kittens to give away or know anyone who does locally (I live in Lancaster, about 20 minutes away from Worcester), please respond. Looking to just get one, at maximum 5 months old. I have been scouring the web and craigslist and have not found much. I do not really want to drop the amount they want at the local animal shelter. Any help appreciated. Thanks Andrew 978-870-5908

Aug. 12, 2009

Re: [Wlug] SCSI and laptop

by dulsi＠identicalsoftware.com

Quoting "Chuck Anderson" <cra(a)WPI.EDU>: > On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 01:56:13AM -0400, Alex Camilo wrote: >> Have you consitered a USB to SCSI adapter? I haven't found much in way of information about them. Will they work with a scanner? They seem geared for connecting SCSI drives. As Chuck has mentioned the few I've seen are rather expensive: http://www.usbgear.net/USB_SCSI_adapters.html > It seems that for about the same price as an adapter, you can buy a > whole new USB scanner. Any recommendations for cheap and well supported usb scanner? Dennis Payne dulsi(a)identicalsoftware.com

Aug. 12, 2009

Re: [Wlug] SCSI and laptop

by Chuck Anderson

> On Aug 11, 2009, at 10:10 PM, dulsi(a)identicalsoftware.com wrote: > I bought a new laptop but have an old umax scanner. Previously I used > a PCMCIA SCSI card to hookup that scanner. My new laptop has > expresscard. What is the easiest way to hookup the old scanner? I > tried to used the old laptop the other day until I had time to look > into how to do it with the new laptop and found it no longer boots. On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 01:56:13AM -0400, Alex Camilo wrote: > Have you consitered a USB to SCSI adapter? It seems that for about the same price as an adapter, you can buy a whole new USB scanner.

Aug. 12, 2009

Re: [Wlug] SCSI and laptop

by Alex Camilo

Have you consitered a USB to SCSI adapter? On Aug 11, 2009, at 10:10 PM, dulsi(a)identicalsoftware.com wrote: > I bought a new laptop but have an old umax scanner. Previously I used > a PCMCIA SCSI card to hookup that scanner. My new laptop has > expresscard. What is the easiest way to hookup the old scanner? I > tried to used the old laptop the other day until I had time to look > into how to do it with the new laptop and found it no longer boots. > > Dennis Payne > dulsi(a)identicalsoftware.com > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Aug. 12, 2009

SCSI and laptop

by dulsi＠identicalsoftware.com

I bought a new laptop but have an old umax scanner. Previously I used a PCMCIA SCSI card to hookup that scanner. My new laptop has expresscard. What is the easiest way to hookup the old scanner? I tried to used the old laptop the other day until I had time to look into how to do it with the new laptop and found it no longer boots. Dennis Payne dulsi(a)identicalsoftware.com

Aug. 12, 2009

Re: [Wlug] On the subject of building systems - Re: PC-BSD, FreeBSD, and iXsystems - anyone know about them?

by David Glaser

Hi Folks, As the orginal poster, I thank all of you for the responses. -David Richard Klein wrote: > On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 12:18 PM, John Stoffel<john(a)stoffel.org> wrote: > >> Also, for a home system, I think it makes alot of sense to build a >> nice home server, which sits in a corner and serves files, does >> backups, hosts a development web server, etc. Then having a desktop >> which you can play with, muck around with and rebuild at will, all >> without losing your files or home directory stuff is nice. >> > > That's a great idea! Somehow, though, whenever I build something like > that, to just leave alone to do one job, I end up mucking around with > it, too. I can't leave well enough alone! > >

Aug. 11, 2009

Fwd: [nomoto] OLPC job openings

by Richard Klein

Just thought I'd pass this on: ---------- Forwarded message ---------- if any of you know of strong linux kernel/driver folks, or strong release or test folks, OLPC is looking... http://laptop.org/en/utility/people/opportunities.shtml -- Rich Sent from Marlborough, MA, United States

Aug. 11, 2009

Re: [Wlug] Python – who's curious or learning it, or codes it daily, or teaching it, or ...

by Theo Van Dinter

fwiw, I have a background in C and Perl, and had to learn Python for work. Read the ORA Learning Python book, which was ok, I spent time trying to relate Python to Perl (dict == hash, list == array, tuple == read-only list, etc,) and eventually just started hacking on things and have been relatively successful (or at least, I can write stuff that does what I want. ;)) I'm using Python 2.4, so I'm constantly at http://www.python.org/doc/2.4.4/lib/lib.html looking up things, which is very helpful. The basic syntax and starting to do things is pretty easy, the harder part is getting a grasp on the whole "everything's an object" and using that when writing your own code is harder. I tend to not like object orientation (various reasons), but you have to get at least somewhat into it w/ Python because you have no choice. On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 3:43 PM, Brian McLinden<brian.mclinden(a)gmail.com> wrote: > A thread for sharing by those with interest in or curiosity about Python. > > For newbies like me, hackers tout the just out major revision of Allen > Downey's classic “How to think like a computer scientist: Learning > with Python.” It's been retitled - “PYTHON FOR SOFTWARE DESIGN: How > to Think Like a Computer Scientist.” > > Buy at Amazon or read free - http://www.greenteapress.com/thinkpython/ > > Favorable review - > http://www.amazon.com/Python-Software-Design-Computer-Scientist/product-rev…

Aug. 10, 2009

Python – who's curious or learning it, or codes it daily, or teaching it, or ...

by Brian McLinden

A thread for sharing by those with interest in or curiosity about Python. For newbies like me, hackers tout the just out major revision of Allen Downey's classic “How to think like a computer scientist: Learning with Python.” It's been retitled - “PYTHON FOR SOFTWARE DESIGN: How to Think Like a Computer Scientist.” Buy at Amazon or read free - http://www.greenteapress.com/thinkpython/ Favorable review - http://www.amazon.com/Python-Software-Design-Computer-Scientist/product-rev… Brian Worcester

Aug. 10, 2009

Re: [Wlug] On the subject of building systems - Re: PC-BSD, FreeBSD, and iXsystems - anyone know about them?

by Richard Klein

On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 12:18 PM, John Stoffel<john(a)stoffel.org> wrote: > > Also, for a home system, I think it makes alot of sense to build a > nice home server, which sits in a corner and serves files, does > backups, hosts a development web server, etc. Then having a desktop > which you can play with, muck around with and rebuild at will, all > without losing your files or home directory stuff is nice. That's a great idea! Somehow, though, whenever I build something like that, to just leave alone to do one job, I end up mucking around with it, too. I can't leave well enough alone! -- Rich Sent from Cambridge, Massachusetts, United States

Aug. 10, 2009

Re: [Wlug] On the subject of building systems - Re: PC-BSD, FreeBSD, and iXsystems - anyone know about them?

by John Stoffel

>>>>> "Gary" == Gary Hanley <gary(a)hanley.net> writes: Gary> On Mon, 10 Aug 2009, Franklin Moody wrote: >> (Though again, the performance of the onboard components, even though somewhat dated, is usually pretty decent for regular home >> use.) Gary> Very true. When I build a PC for a friend or family member I usually Gary> go integrated as they only want the PC for Internet stuff. Hear hear! Alot of the newer boards with integrated everything really are quite nice. And power efficient and cool. Key things to think about. If it wasn't for wanting room for disks, a Shuttle style box would be a nice idea, and I keep thinking it might make my desktop... Gary> For me I buy discrete devices. And the funny thing is that these Gary> days it's hard to find a motherboard without integrated video, Gary> sound, NIC, etc. So what OS are you running, and what applications are you running with uses all this GPU power? Now I admit my last system, a Asus M2N-SLI Deluxe has a discrete GPU, but I got a Radeon X1250 (in Feb 2008) because it was just one slot and a passive cooler. It's a big performance jump over my old Matrox G450 AGP card for sure! Anyway, I've found that the onboard sound/network to be just fine, dual Gigabit works nicely, and overpowers anything else on the network at this time. Now, back to the core initial question, which was about the vast variety of of components out there to choose from. It's really terribly confusing, and for only a 5-15% difference in performance, you can spend a ton of money. I personally like Newegg.com for ease of comparing systems. I also like the arstechnica.com system guides. They do quite a decent job, esp on the low end. Their god box is silly. They really need to be thinking of a god desktop, and a good server box instead. Also, for a home system, I think it makes alot of sense to build a nice home server, which sits in a corner and serves files, does backups, hosts a development web server, etc. Then having a desktop which you can play with, muck around with and rebuild at will, all without losing your files or home directory stuff is nice. John

Aug. 10, 2009

Re: [Wlug] On the subject of building systems - Re: PC-BSD, FreeBSD, and iXsystems - anyone know about them?

by John Stoffel

Franklin> On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 11:39:37AM -0400, Clint Moyer wrote: >> To the point, the original request was: >> >> "I want to build a compute/file server. I do a lot of heavy duty software development using the Eclipse IDE and the Java and C++ Development tools. Also, I need to store a lot of data - mostly images." >> >> Not especially high-end requirements, beyond perhaps CPU and memory. Franklin> I responded mostly because of the recent talk about Franklin> being bewildered by the wide variety of hardware selections Franklin> and conversations like this help set/spread rules of thumb. Franklin> While the OP probably won't *need* a very high performance Franklin> anything (Eclipse is a big boy but it doesn't require top of Franklin> the line), the place to find it is in discrete components. Franklin> Which is why I ended with "Start with onboard components if Franklin> it doesn't cost you of your requirements (and doesn't cost Franklin> too much) and plan on using discrete components to get Franklin> higher performance at the start and as your later upgrade Franklin> path." I'll agree 100% here with Frank, start with onboard and then goto discrete if you need more performance. One thing to think about though is motherboard which put most of the PCIe lanes into one or possibly two slots, because they're targetting graphics (read games). For a more server oriented board, you'd like to have more slots with more lanes, but since various chipsets are limited to how many lanes they can support, it might make sense to have something like 4 1x slots, 2 4x slots 1 8x slot plus some PCI legacy slots. Of course you'll never find this type of board outside a server only type board, which typically costs lots of bucks. And of course you'll not fit into standard cases either. Franklin> (Oh, and, if you've got the money to spare, those new fancy Franklin> vidcards can do more than just video... VDPAU, OpenCL, and Franklin> so on seem like very cool things to check out to me!) It does look interesting, but I'm also concerned about power/noise issues for a home system. I'd like to get things quieter and use less energy if I can.

Aug. 10, 2009

Re: [Wlug] On the subject of building systems - Re: PC-BSD, FreeBSD, and iXsystems - anyone know about them?

by Franklin Moody

On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 11:39:37AM -0400, Clint Moyer wrote: > To the point, the original request was: > > "I want to build a compute/file server. I do a lot of heavy duty software development using the Eclipse IDE and the Java and C++ Development tools. Also, I need to store a lot of data - mostly images." > > Not especially high-end requirements, beyond perhaps CPU and memory. I responded mostly because of the recent talk about being bewildered by the wide variety of hardware selections and conversations like this help set/spread rules of thumb. While the OP probably won't *need* a very high performance anything (Eclipse is a big boy but it doesn't require top of the line), the place to find it is in discrete components. Which is why I ended with "Start with onboard components if it doesn't cost you of your requirements (and doesn't cost too much) and plan on using discrete components to get higher performance at the start and as your later upgrade path." Frank (Oh, and, if you've got the money to spare, those new fancy vidcards can do more than just video... VDPAU, OpenCL, and so on seem like very cool things to check out to me!)

Aug. 10, 2009

Re: [Wlug] On the subject of building systems - Re: PC-BSD, FreeBSD, and iXsystems - anyone know about them?

by Gary Hanley

On Mon, 10 Aug 2009, Franklin Moody wrote: > (Though again, the performance of the onboard components, even though somewhat dated, is usually pretty decent for regular home > use.) Very true. When I build a PC for a friend or family member I usually go integrated as they only want the PC for Internet stuff. For me I buy discrete devices. And the funny thing is that these days it's hard to find a motherboard without integrated video, sound, NIC, etc. -- Gary

Aug. 10, 2009

Re: [Wlug] On the subject of building systems - Re: PC-BSD, FreeBSD, and iXsystems - anyone know about them?

by Clint Moyer

To the point, the original request was: "I want to build a compute/file server. I do a lot of heavy duty software development using the Eclipse IDE and the Java and C++ Development tools. Also, I need to store a lot of data - mostly images." Not especially high-end requirements, beyond perhaps CPU and memory. ---- Franklin Moody <fmoody(a)moodman.org> wrote: ============= On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 11:08:41AM -0400, John Stoffel wrote: > >>>>> "Gary" == Gary Hanley <gary(a)hanley.net> writes: > > Gary> On Mon, 10 Aug 2009, Clint Moyer wrote: > >> I'll add that there are a lot of advantages to building with an > >> integrated motherboard. > > Gary> I agree from a convenience and cost perspective, however if > Gary> optimal performance is a priority you still need to purchase > Gary> discrete components. > > Umm... I disagree with this statement. It's more of a 'it depends' > really. :] I'm not sure that it really is an 'it depends' statement. Can you name a single component where the discrete option isn't the path to the highest performance? Video, drive controllers, NICs... Onboard components are primarily chosen for "value" and it usually shows. (That being said, onboard components are usually good for the average case and, assuming they can actually be fully disabled (not always a given historically), can be a good place to start.) > Gary> No matter how much the technology advances intergrated > Gary> components will alway reduce the overall perform of a system to > Gary> a variable degree. > > Or you could say that "Your system is obsolete the second you build > it, so don't sweat it" and just live with this. True but not quite his point, I think. I think the gist was "onboard components aren't top of the line and maybe significantly behind that line". > I've been looking at a new home server, and I don't *care* about > graphics performance. I want lots of PCI and PCIe slots, lots of SATA > ports, dual Gigabit ethernet and integrated graphics. Probably AMD, > since that will give me plenty of performance. And be quiet too. > Silence is golden you know... :] > > Your metrics for performance are quite different from mine. Sure, a > seperate high performance graphics card would be nice, but I don't > play any computer games all that much, and I could drop one in. > > John If you want high performance SATA, NICs, or pretty much anything else, you'll want a discrete component for that too. (Though again, the performance of the onboard components, even though somewhat dated, is usually pretty decent for regular home use.) So I suppose my take on it would be "Start with onboard components if it doesn't cost you of your requirements (and doesn't cost too much) and plan on using discrete components to get higher performance at the start and as your later upgrade path.". Frank

Aug. 10, 2009

Re: [Wlug] On the subject of building systems - Re: PC-BSD, FreeBSD, and iXsystems - anyone know about them?

by Franklin Moody

On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 11:08:41AM -0400, John Stoffel wrote: > >>>>> "Gary" == Gary Hanley <gary(a)hanley.net> writes: > > Gary> On Mon, 10 Aug 2009, Clint Moyer wrote: > >> I'll add that there are a lot of advantages to building with an > >> integrated motherboard. > > Gary> I agree from a convenience and cost perspective, however if > Gary> optimal performance is a priority you still need to purchase > Gary> discrete components. > > Umm... I disagree with this statement. It's more of a 'it depends' > really. :] I'm not sure that it really is an 'it depends' statement. Can you name a single component where the discrete option isn't the path to the highest performance? Video, drive controllers, NICs... Onboard components are primarily chosen for "value" and it usually shows. (That being said, onboard components are usually good for the average case and, assuming they can actually be fully disabled (not always a given historically), can be a good place to start.) > Gary> No matter how much the technology advances intergrated > Gary> components will alway reduce the overall perform of a system to > Gary> a variable degree. > > Or you could say that "Your system is obsolete the second you build > it, so don't sweat it" and just live with this. True but not quite his point, I think. I think the gist was "onboard components aren't top of the line and maybe significantly behind that line". > I've been looking at a new home server, and I don't *care* about > graphics performance. I want lots of PCI and PCIe slots, lots of SATA > ports, dual Gigabit ethernet and integrated graphics. Probably AMD, > since that will give me plenty of performance. And be quiet too. > Silence is golden you know... :] > > Your metrics for performance are quite different from mine. Sure, a > seperate high performance graphics card would be nice, but I don't > play any computer games all that much, and I could drop one in. > > John If you want high performance SATA, NICs, or pretty much anything else, you'll want a discrete component for that too. (Though again, the performance of the onboard components, even though somewhat dated, is usually pretty decent for regular home use.) So I suppose my take on it would be "Start with onboard components if it doesn't cost you of your requirements (and doesn't cost too much) and plan on using discrete components to get higher performance at the start and as your later upgrade path.". Frank

Aug. 10, 2009

Re: [Wlug] On the subject of building systems - Re: PC-BSD, FreeBSD, and iXsystems - anyone know about them?

by John Stoffel

>>>>> "Gary" == Gary Hanley <gary(a)hanley.net> writes: Gary> On Mon, 10 Aug 2009, Clint Moyer wrote: >> I'll add that there are a lot of advantages to building with an >> integrated motherboard. Gary> I agree from a convenience and cost perspective, however if Gary> optimal performance is a priority you still need to purchase Gary> discrete components. Umm... I disagree with this statement. It's more of a 'it depends' really. :] Gary> No matter how much the technology advances intergrated Gary> components will alway reduce the overall perform of a system to Gary> a variable degree. Or you could say that "Your system is obsolete the second you build it, so don't sweat it" and just live with this. I've been looking at a new home server, and I don't *care* about graphics performance. I want lots of PCI and PCIe slots, lots of SATA ports, dual Gigabit ethernet and integrated graphics. Probably AMD, since that will give me plenty of performance. And be quiet too. Silence is golden you know... :] Your metrics for performance are quite different from mine. Sure, a seperate high performance graphics card would be nice, but I don't play any computer games all that much, and I could drop one in. John

Aug. 10, 2009

Re: [Wlug] On the subject of building systems - Re: PC-BSD, FreeBSD, and iXsystems - anyone know about them?

by Gary Hanley

On Mon, 10 Aug 2009, Clint Moyer wrote: > I'll add that there are a lot of advantages to building with an > integrated motherboard. I agree from a convenience and cost perspective, however if optimal performance is a priority you still need to purchase discrete components. No matter how much the technology advances intergrated components will alway reduce the overall perform of a system to a variable degree. -- Gary

Aug. 10, 2009

Re: [Wlug] On the subject of building systems - Re: PC-BSD, FreeBSD, and iXsystems - anyone know about them?

by Clint Moyer

I'll add that there are a lot of advantages to building with an integrated motherboard. Asus mobos are especially well designed. In fact, most of their current product line incorporates Splash Top, which is Linux embedded in the BIOS that allows you to boot into a basic OS before hitting the hard drive. If you buy one, you can be sure all the components are Linux compatible. My last three builds have been Asus mATX. Clint ---- E Johnson <iris.gates(a)gmail.com> wrote: ============= I have, built April 2009: AMD Athlon 64 X2 5600 Brisbane 2.9GHz Socket AM2 65W Dual-Core Processor - $64.99 ASUS M3A78-CM AM2+/AM2 AMD 780V Micro ATX AMD Motherboard - $74.99 Kingston 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory - $44.99 Cooler Master Elite 335 RC-335-KKN1-GP Black SECC Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case - $49.99 Acer X193W+BD Black 19" 5ms Widescreen LCD Monitor Some SATA hard drive... don't know offhand. Some DVD drive, I forget, nothing spectacular. According to ASUS, this motherboard is a "Corporate Stable Model (CSM) for long-term availability." It has DVI and VGA output. Specs & reviews here: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131330

Aug. 10, 2009

Re: [Wlug] (no subject)

by Gregory Avedissian

Brian McLinden wrote: > > What do you think about this workaround -- > http://www.inatux.com/order These are FSF/FOSS people. I can't see I would recommend more than their base system. Go with a dual-core cpu and probably 2G memory, since it's so cheap now ($30-40 at newegg), and bigger hard drive (e.g. 250GB for around $50). How much do they want with those upgrades? > > And, for cable broadband and live streaming of audio and video, what > combination or package(s) of HW ad SW should I ask for. Wired case? > Wireless case? If you're talking about wired vs. wireless network, it's a lot easier to go with wired. Any linux distro will get you online with a basic desktop installation. (OK, there are probably exceptions.) You'll also get audio and video players. For audio and video, you might need to install additional codecs, but that's generally pretty easy to do. Why don't you want to install the OS yourself? > 4. What Linux distribution would you pair with Unix? > > And, what will I learn from one that I don't learn from the other? > I'm just going to reiterate what others said. You'll learn a lot from installing the OS yourself. Ubuntu is a good choice if you're new to linux, but anything in the top 5 or 10 in the list at distrowatch.com is probably a good choice. The installation procedure is pretty easy these days (on the major distros). Leave room on your hard drive for additional partitions to try other flavors of linux if you want. That's sometimes a better choice than trying it in a VM, because then you get to see how the OS works with your hardware. That tends to be more of an issue when you're using the latest hardware. Greg

Aug. 10, 2009

Re: [Wlug] (no subject)

by James Gray

On Sun, Aug 9, 2009 at 6:43 PM, Brian McLinden<brian.mclinden(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > 3. YOUR advice for a would be hacker? > > I wonder how folks in this forum might vary from the following > position. Would you prioritize or sequence things differently? > > “Start out by learning bash, then set up your own Unix environment. > This is a biggie. PC-BSD works fine. Learn to use it for your everyday > tasks, learn how to administrate it and keep it up to date and secure. > Then, when you've done that, start in with Python. Solve the Project > Euler problems in whatever language you're learning. Learn which > languages are better suited for particular problems. Learn about > security in programs, vulnerabilities and how to exploit them. Read > other people's code and post your own. Learn the low-level stuff > later.” A starting hacker probably has some idea of the sort of problem they want to solve. Based on the type of problem you are looking to solve someone could steer you toward a choice of languages that try to solve such problems. There are 'introduction to programming' books for most programming languages and in some cases they might be found on line. If one is learning programming as a hobby then I would say learn about the stuff that interests you and follow your nose. Read from books and on line sources. Learn at least one programming language very well. Above all else spend a lot of time writing code - it is a skill after all. I've been meaning to put together a introduction presentation to the python language, but other priorities have my time right now. :-(

Aug. 10, 2009

Re: [Wlug] (no subject)

by Alexander Haley

> Anyone have reading (book, online) suggestions geared at accessible > intro level? More intermediate level? Brian, I have recently read (most of) 'Code : The Hidden Language of Computer Hardware and Software' by Charles Petzold. He takes the reader from the simple on/off flashlight circuit, through the mechanical relays found in telegraph systems, to fundamental computing devices -- and that is only just where I've read through (chapter 17 of 25) - It is available via the central mass library system - so free! I sincerely hope if you check it out, that you like it. Best wishes, Alexander

Aug. 10, 2009

(no subject)

by Brian McLinden

Hi all, Thanks for your helpful postings. I'm coming back to ask further help in sharpening issues before me.. I see four now: 1. Understanding the machine Wanting a more general perspective that will help me anticipate and navigate OS issues as they arise. Just ordered http://www.amazon.com/Write-Great-Code-Understanding-Machine/dp/1593270038/… Anyone have reading (book, online) suggestions geared at accessible intro level? More intermediate level? 2. Getting a machine Freedom of choice in the component market is overwhelming. A curse, actually. I'd be losing significant time just learning how to spec a system. In the Worcester area, is there anyone I can pay to put together a machine for me with some bit of craftsmanship and reliability? That way I can have substantially more control over machine quality. Do any of you have a favorite components list? I'd be most interested in a machine designed for silence, and I'm quite willing to study up on that issue.. fan noise drives me nuts when I'm coding. What do you think about this workaround -- http://www.inatux.com/order These are FSF/FOSS people. I can't see a need for a super fast system yet, as I can't say yet where my project interests will gravitate. In light of that, since optimality makes no sense, what machine specs do you think would be “good enough”? Desirable packages to install? And, for cable broadband and live streaming of audio and video, what combination or package(s) of HW ad SW should I ask for. Wired case? Wireless case? 3. YOUR advice for a would be hacker? I wonder how folks in this forum might vary from the following position. Would you prioritize or sequence things differently? “Start out by learning bash, then set up your own Unix environment. This is a biggie. PC-BSD works fine. Learn to use it for your everyday tasks, learn how to administrate it and keep it up to date and secure. Then, when you've done that, start in with Python. Solve the Project Euler problems in whatever language you're learning. Learn which languages are better suited for particular problems. Learn about security in programs, vulnerabilities and how to exploit them. Read other people's code and post your own. Learn the low-level stuff later.” 4. What Linux distribution would you pair with Unix? And, what will I learn from one that I don't learn from the other? Thanks, in advance, for thoughts, reactions, give and take! Brian

Aug. 9, 2009

Re: [Wlug] On the subject of building systems - Re: PC-BSD, FreeBSD, and iXsystems - anyone know about them?

by David Glaser

Thanks for the info. -David E Johnson wrote: > I have, built April 2009: > > AMD Athlon 64 X2 5600 Brisbane 2.9GHz Socket AM2 65W Dual-Core > Processor - $64.99 > ASUS M3A78-CM AM2+/AM2 AMD 780V Micro ATX AMD Motherboard - $74.99 > Kingston 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual > Channel Kit Desktop Memory - $44.99 > Cooler Master Elite 335 RC-335-KKN1-GP Black SECC Steel ATX Mid > Tower Computer Case - $49.99 > Acer X193W+BD Black 19" 5ms Widescreen LCD Monitor > > Some SATA hard drive... don't know offhand. > Some DVD drive, I forget, nothing spectacular. > > According to ASUS, this motherboard is a "Corporate Stable Model (CSM) > for long-term availability." It has DVI and VGA output. Specs & > reviews here: > http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131330 > > Running on this PC, Debian Lenny (kernel 2.6.26-2-686 Bigmem). > > I have another PC very similar, same mobo but 2.8 gig AMD processor, > built Dec. 2008. This PC has a nVidia Corporation GeForce 8500 GT vid > card that came out of a homebuilt monster running twin dual Xeons, in > which the mobo fried. This PC runs Ubuntu Hardy (kernel 2.6.24-generic) > > These two PCs run cool with only the stock coolers on the CPU, and the > case fans. Right now it's 65 outside, maybe 70 in here, the > motherboards are both 39C and the processors are 40C (mine, using it > now) and the other one at 42C. > > The onboard audio chips work fine under Ubuntu and under Debian Lenny. > > The vid chip in the one without the separate vid card seems to warm up > if I am doing certain video-intensive operations, although this is > rare. It runs movies like Youtube videos just fine, but certain online > viewers, such as like zoom viewers on websites, seem to heat it up > some. I haven't checked to see if the same type of operations heat up > the vid card in the other PC. > > Ethernet chip also works fine, needed no special tweaking. Nothing > needed additional drivers downloaded. > > Setting up this mobo was a little odd at first. It would not recognize > an older HP flatscreen monitor, but can see the Acer monitors just > fine. I RMA'd one mobo before I figured out the problem was the > monitor, not the vid chip on the mobo. HP techs had no clue why this > monitor was not recognized, and could only suggest downloading a > different driver... not needed with the more recently-purchased Acer > monitor. > > I like these monitors very much. They are 19" -- not too big for the > tabletop setup here, yet have 1680 x 1050 resolution, which is hard to > get in the 19" monitors. The monitors now cost about $99 to $119 > depending on who's selling them. These monitors are also among the few > in this size and price range that come with a DVI cable in the box. > > Greg Avedissian of WLUG built these PCs (among many others he's > built), and he may be able to offer further advice. He does a really > nice job building these things & getting them running. I usually am > running several different apps in different windows, all at the same > time. The speed of the processor is very good, and a dual-core is fine > for me. I can wholeheartedly say that I am very happy with these PCs. > All the components work together very well, and they easily do > everything I need. > > Hope this helps. > Liz J > > > 2009/8/9 David Glaser <dglaser(a)glaserresearch.net > <mailto:dglaser@glaserresearch.net>> > > It has been ten years since I built a system and I figure I should > do it > again to refresh my skills. > > I took a look at motherboards and processor combinations and I was > overwhelmed by the proliferation of choices. > > What I was wondering if I could get the members of the group to share > the basic configuration of systems they have built to give me an > idea of > what I should look at. > > I want to build a compute/file server. I do a lot of heavy duty > software development using the Eclipse IDE and the Java and C++ > Development tools. Also, I need to store a lot of data - mostly > images. > > My house is wired with a 1GB Ethernet so I have good bandwidth to > access > the server. > > Thank you for any help. > > -David > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org <mailto:Wlug@mail.wlug.org> > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

Aug. 9, 2009

Re: [Wlug] On the subject of building systems - Re: PC-BSD, FreeBSD, and iXsystems - anyone know about them?

by E Johnson

I have, built April 2009: AMD Athlon 64 X2 5600 Brisbane 2.9GHz Socket AM2 65W Dual-Core Processor - $64.99 ASUS M3A78-CM AM2+/AM2 AMD 780V Micro ATX AMD Motherboard - $74.99 Kingston 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory - $44.99 Cooler Master Elite 335 RC-335-KKN1-GP Black SECC Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case - $49.99 Acer X193W+BD Black 19" 5ms Widescreen LCD Monitor Some SATA hard drive... don't know offhand. Some DVD drive, I forget, nothing spectacular. According to ASUS, this motherboard is a "Corporate Stable Model (CSM) for long-term availability." It has DVI and VGA output. Specs & reviews here: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131330 Running on this PC, Debian Lenny (kernel 2.6.26-2-686 Bigmem). I have another PC very similar, same mobo but 2.8 gig AMD processor, built Dec. 2008. This PC has a nVidia Corporation GeForce 8500 GT vid card that came out of a homebuilt monster running twin dual Xeons, in which the mobo fried. This PC runs Ubuntu Hardy (kernel 2.6.24-generic) These two PCs run cool with only the stock coolers on the CPU, and the case fans. Right now it's 65 outside, maybe 70 in here, the motherboards are both 39C and the processors are 40C (mine, using it now) and the other one at 42C. The onboard audio chips work fine under Ubuntu and under Debian Lenny. The vid chip in the one without the separate vid card seems to warm up if I am doing certain video-intensive operations, although this is rare. It runs movies like Youtube videos just fine, but certain online viewers, such as like zoom viewers on websites, seem to heat it up some. I haven't checked to see if the same type of operations heat up the vid card in the other PC. Ethernet chip also works fine, needed no special tweaking. Nothing needed additional drivers downloaded. Setting up this mobo was a little odd at first. It would not recognize an older HP flatscreen monitor, but can see the Acer monitors just fine. I RMA'd one mobo before I figured out the problem was the monitor, not the vid chip on the mobo. HP techs had no clue why this monitor was not recognized, and could only suggest downloading a different driver... not needed with the more recently-purchased Acer monitor. I like these monitors very much. They are 19" -- not too big for the tabletop setup here, yet have 1680 x 1050 resolution, which is hard to get in the 19" monitors. The monitors now cost about $99 to $119 depending on who's selling them. These monitors are also among the few in this size and price range that come with a DVI cable in the box. Greg Avedissian of WLUG built these PCs (among many others he's built), and he may be able to offer further advice. He does a really nice job building these things & getting them running. I usually am running several different apps in different windows, all at the same time. The speed of the processor is very good, and a dual-core is fine for me. I can wholeheartedly say that I am very happy with these PCs. All the components work together very well, and they easily do everything I need. Hope this helps. Liz J 2009/8/9 David Glaser <dglaser(a)glaserresearch.net> > It has been ten years since I built a system and I figure I should do it > again to refresh my skills. > > I took a look at motherboards and processor combinations and I was > overwhelmed by the proliferation of choices. > > What I was wondering if I could get the members of the group to share > the basic configuration of systems they have built to give me an idea of > what I should look at. > > I want to build a compute/file server. I do a lot of heavy duty > software development using the Eclipse IDE and the Java and C++ > Development tools. Also, I need to store a lot of data - mostly images. > > My house is wired with a 1GB Ethernet so I have good bandwidth to access > the server. > > Thank you for any help. > > -David > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

Aug. 9, 2009

On the subject of building systems - Re: PC-BSD, FreeBSD, and iXsystems - anyone know about them?

by David Glaser

It has been ten years since I built a system and I figure I should do it again to refresh my skills. I took a look at motherboards and processor combinations and I was overwhelmed by the proliferation of choices. What I was wondering if I could get the members of the group to share the basic configuration of systems they have built to give me an idea of what I should look at. I want to build a compute/file server. I do a lot of heavy duty software development using the Eclipse IDE and the Java and C++ Development tools. Also, I need to store a lot of data - mostly images. My house is wired with a 1GB Ethernet so I have good bandwidth to access the server. Thank you for any help. -David

Aug. 9, 2009

Re: [Wlug] PC-BSD, FreeBSD, and iXsystems - anyone know about them?

by E Johnson

Seconding Brian's idea. Build a computer: get a processor and motherboard, RAM, a PSU, a case, hard drive, maybe a vid card. This can be done for 400 or less if your needs aren't terribly big, or if you can reuse a hard drive or something. Then rather than running the various distros as virtual machines, install them in your newly-built computer. Make some extra 10 G partitions on the hard drive, then install a different OS in each partition, keeping your home directory containing your personal files as its own separate partition. Then you can test and compare Linux distros until you find the one that works best for you. There are people in WLUG who can help you through the build process or the installation process, if you should want a consult as you go along. Good luck, Liz J 2009/8/8 Brian Conway <bconway(a)alum.wpi.edu> > 2.) You may want to consider saving some money and putting your own > system together. They're pretty clearly reselling standard parts (the > case is an Antec Sonata III with included 500W power supply, for > instance), and unless you *really* need a Core i7 right now, there are a > lot of bargains now on high end Core2 Quads and DDRII memory that will > last you for a while. > > Brian Conway > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

Aug. 9, 2009

Re: [Wlug] PC-BSD, FreeBSD, and iXsystems - anyone know about them?

by Brian Conway

On Sat, 8 Aug 2009 15:18:12 -0400 Brian McLinden <brian.mclinden(a)gmail.com> wrote: > I'm thinking about buying their new Apollo rig, > http://www.ixsystems.com/apollo > > and ask them to install some kind of virtual machine software on top > of FreeBSD (or PC-BSD) so that I can learn various linux distros > running as clients. To add on the previous reply: 1.) FreeBSD is great and I use it in many places, but their current offerings for hosting VMs are a little sparse. QEMU/KQEMU and older VMware versions work, but not much more. 8-CURRENT will run reliably as a domU in Xen, though, so progress is coming. Linux offers you VMware, Xen, KVM, VirtualBox, etc. 2.) You may want to consider saving some money and putting your own system together. They're pretty clearly reselling standard parts (the case is an Antec Sonata III with included 500W power supply, for instance), and unless you *really* need a Core i7 right now, there are a lot of bargains now on high end Core2 Quads and DDRII memory that will last you for a while. Brian Conway

Aug. 8, 2009

Re: [Wlug] PC-BSD, FreeBSD, and iXsystems - anyone know about them?

by Ryan Pugatch

Brian McLinden wrote: > I have pretensions of hacker status someday. ;-] > > They are selling a desktop with PC-BSD installed and configured. > > I'm thinking about buying their new Apollo rig, http://www.ixsystems.com/apollo > > and ask them to install some kind of virtual machine software on top > of FreeBSD (or PC-BSD) so that I can learn various linux distros > running as clients. > > Anyone know anything about them? > > Any thoughts or cautions about this approach? > > Thanks in advance for thoughts, reactions. > > PS - anyone programming Lisp, write me? > > Brian.McLinden(a)gmail.com If you want to be a "hacker", wouldn't you want to buy a system and load the OS yourself and then set up VMs yourself? You won't get far if you don't know how to install the OS. It would probably be a good learning experience. Ryan Pugatch Systems Administrator, TripAdvisor

Aug. 8, 2009

PC-BSD, FreeBSD, and iXsystems - anyone know about them?

by Brian McLinden

I have pretensions of hacker status someday. ;-] They are selling a desktop with PC-BSD installed and configured. I'm thinking about buying their new Apollo rig, http://www.ixsystems.com/apollo and ask them to install some kind of virtual machine software on top of FreeBSD (or PC-BSD) so that I can learn various linux distros running as clients. Anyone know anything about them? Any thoughts or cautions about this approach? Thanks in advance for thoughts, reactions. PS - anyone programming Lisp, write me? Brian.McLinden(a)gmail.com

Aug. 8, 2009

Re: [Wlug] August WLUG meeting

by Andy Stewart

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Al Rreinhart wrote: > Andy, > > I would like to announce the August WLUG meeting to the IEEE Worcester > County Section members. Do you have any additional information about > maddog and what his talk will be about? I need something to put > together a description of the meeting and the speaker. Does maddog > have a website? > > Thanks, > > Al HI Al, I don't have any other information than what I posted on the WLUG website. Thanks for offering to announce the WLUG meeting to the IEEE Worcester County Section members. See ya later, Andy - -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group (http://www.wlug.org) Chelmsford Linux Meetup Group (http://linux.meetup.com/393) Amateur Radio: KB1OIQ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFKfLzWOjiraCaOTOoRAkKBAJ4w7DIkHG0UGDdsx5r70ZeCUrk2UwCfcm8y mBadLfvRRLT5K38lD2VKuCk= =lc7+ -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

Aug. 7, 2009

Re: [Wlug] August WLUG meeting

by Richard Klein

On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 10:04 PM, Al Rreinhart <Reinhart(a)discom.com> wrote: > Andy, > > I would like to announce the August WLUG meeting to the IEEE Worcester > County Section members. Do you have any additional information about > maddog and what his talk will be about? I need something to put > together a description of the meeting and the speaker. Does maddog > have a website? > > Thanks, > > Al > Maddog has a wikipedia entry: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maddog -- Rich

Aug. 7, 2009

Re: [Wlug] August WLUG meeting

by Al Rreinhart

Andy, I would like to announce the August WLUG meeting to the IEEE Worcester County Section members. Do you have any additional information about maddog and what his talk will be about? I need something to put together a description of the meeting and the speaker. Does maddog have a website? Thanks, Al Andy Stewart wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > > HI gang, > > Please note that I've just updated the website with a meeting topic > change. It turns out that maddog will be visiting us at the August > meeting instead of the October meeting. maddog has visited WLUG on > previous occasions and is an excellent speaker. You won't want to miss > this meeting! > > More news later.......... > > Andy > > - -- > Andy Stewart, Founder > Worcester Linux Users' Group (http://www.wlug.org) > Chelmsford Linux Meetup Group (http://linux.meetup.com/393) > Amateur Radio: KB1OIQ > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > > iD8DBQFKaSjuOjiraCaOTOoRAozPAJ41EoNqkKUwrJZI5p+bdue4u4I8EQCgjKIC > z7NW+SXkD52OrYZAv0VxMsI= > =73dF > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > -- ---------------------------------- Al Reinhart Phone: (508) 869-6417 DisCom Systems eMail: Reinhart(a)DisCom.com www.DisCom.com

Aug. 7, 2009

Re: [Wlug] Virtual Machine Manager

by dulsi＠identicalsoftware.com

Discovered why windows only uses one cpu when run from vmm. It is due to the "-cpu qemu32" command line option to qemu-kvm. Is there a driver for windows that will allow it to use multiple cpus when qemu32 is used? Is there a way to change what -cpu setting the vmm sends? For the time being I renamed qemu-kvm and created a shell script that removed that argument before calling the renamed command.

July 30, 2009

Virtual Machine Manager

by dulsi＠identicalsoftware.com

Anyone familiar with virtual machine manager and kvm. I'm having some issues with a windows virtual machine. The system is Fedora 11 and the virtual machine is Windows 2008 Server. If I start the virtual machine from the virtual machine manager, it only has a single cpu despite my setting it to eight. If I start the machine from the command line, I can get four cpus but not eight. In both cases windows seem to display the eight cpus in the device manager (or whatever program it is). It has been suggest that windows was imaged on a four core machine before being loaded on the eight core machine and that something in windows is maxing at four cores. But that doesn't explain why the virtual machine manager can only start one cpu. I just played around on my home machine with a fedora 10 live cd and it recognized the two cores on that machine and used them from the virtual machine manager without problem. Also upped it to three cpus without problem.

July 30, 2009

Re: [Wlug] Thanks Doug!

by Andy Stewart

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 joel d wrote: > Doug, > > Thanks for throwing the BBQ. > > I had a great time. > > Joel > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > HI Doug, Thanks for letting us have the BBQ at your place! I had fun and I think others did also. See ya later, Andy - -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group (http://www.wlug.org) Chelmsford Linux Meetup Group (http://linux.meetup.com/393) Amateur Radio: KB1OIQ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFKaiJuOjiraCaOTOoRAuQAAJwJjzH1kL9jyL6GOD7EaQ4+YRAIggCgtWjA KGAHNniCp+eOvZUXlgIRO/M= =meFn -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

July 24, 2009

Thanks Doug!

by joel d

Doug, Thanks for throwing the BBQ. I had a great time. Joel

July 24, 2009

August WLUG meeting

by Andy Stewart

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 HI gang, Please note that I've just updated the website with a meeting topic change. It turns out that maddog will be visiting us at the August meeting instead of the October meeting. maddog has visited WLUG on previous occasions and is an excellent speaker. You won't want to miss this meeting! More news later.......... Andy - -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group (http://www.wlug.org) Chelmsford Linux Meetup Group (http://linux.meetup.com/393) Amateur Radio: KB1OIQ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFKaSjuOjiraCaOTOoRAozPAJ41EoNqkKUwrJZI5p+bdue4u4I8EQCgjKIC z7NW+SXkD52OrYZAv0VxMsI= =73dF -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

July 24, 2009

Running late...

by Andy Stewart

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 HI all, I will be arriving at the BBQ close to 7:00 PM...lots of traffic and I got out of work late this evening. See all y'all soon, Andy - -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group (http://www.wlug.org) Chelmsford Linux Meetup Group (http://linux.meetup.com/393) Amateur Radio: KB1OIQ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFKaN5wOjiraCaOTOoRArdGAJsF4teJyuRXNLfnqbPnNKiE4U8x1wCgyq6N mdWJLgQUqhXn46kZScckN/o= =V3oI -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

July 23, 2009

Re: [Wlug] fearless BBQ thurs 7/23

by Eric Martin

I would if I could but I will be in CT tonight. (My buddy is getting married Sunday in CT and there's a lot of stuff to do). I'll catch you all next month! Gregory Avedissian wrote: > If anyone going to the bbq from Worcester (or passing through) has room > for two, Liz and I would like to go. Please send me an email if you can > give us a ride. Thanks. > > Greg > > > Doug Mildram wrote: > >> (I did goof last week as you may recall announcing 7/13, >> but the plan remains: REALLY: 7/23 thursday. 6pm--9?whatever >> and it's perfectly OK to be late. no RSVP required

July 23, 2009

Re: [Wlug] fearless BBQ thurs 7/23

by Stephen Daukas

Hi Andy! I thought I'd pass along my latest forecast (can you tell I wish I were going to the BBQ?)... *Updated Shrewsbury Area Weather for 7/23-7/27//2009 (see disclaimer at bottom)...* Start your dehumidifiers and check your sump pumps!! *Today & Tomorrow* Today: Dew point ~65°F, Temps ~70°F, Winds WNW to NE @ 2-7 MPH. Friday: Dew point ~61°F, Temps ~70°F, Winds NE to WSW @ 2-10 MPH. A tropical air mass-based storm system will produce heavy amounts of rainfall during the next 24 hours in the greater Shrewsbury area. The Tropical Prediction Center/National Hurricane Center indicates a less than 30% chance of development of a tropical storm, but heavy rains will arrive and cause minor to moderate stream, tributary and small river flooding. It is too early to determine the exact timing/location of storm axis, but it looks to be centered more over eastern MA. Rainfall should start ~8 PM tonight and begin to taper off ~8 AM tomorrow. 2 to 3 inches of rain during this 12 hour period are likely, with a potential for amounts as high as 3 to 4 inches. Isolated pockets of even greater precipitation amounts are possible... Remember: *Turn Around - Don't Drown!* ~18-24" of water will float a car and ~8 inches of moving water will knock a person off their feet. Flooded basements have the added risk of electrical shock... ** Regards, Steve -- Stephen C. Daukas Engineer, Geoscientist _________________________________________________________________ - Civilization exists by geological consent, subject to change without notice. - -- Will Durant On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 7:18 PM, Andy Stewart <andystewart(a)comcast.net>wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Doug Mildram wrote: > > (I did goof last week as you may recall announcing 7/13, > > but the plan remains: REALLY: 7/23 thursday. 6pm--9?whatever > > and it's perfectly OK to be late. no RSVP required. > > > > I'm ready for good or bad weather or both :) > > I've setup tunes (linux/soundblaster/mp3's) in my 2-car garage, > > with garage/protected space for picnic table and more. The BBQ grill > > needs moving, > > then everything will be together/nearby in the garage+driveway, or on > > the lawn if we are blessed with suddenly perfect weather.The aboveground > > pool is open too. > > > > Bring your favorite beverages, friends, optional mp3's(on USB stick), > > and a spare VGA M-M monitor cable for me if you found one in your > junkpile > > (I did get 3 already from Liz) > > > > Text directions/phone#s again below for 540 Linden St, Boylston MA 01505 > : > > > > http://webpages.charter.net/mquinty/directions/boylston_from_495+62.txt > > > http://webpages.charter.net/mquinty/directions/boylston_from_rte2_lancaster… > > > http://webpages.charter.net/mquinty/directions/boylston_from_auburn_worc_29… > > HI Doug, > > This all looks great - thanks! > > I'll see you all on Thursday evening. > > Andy > > - -- > Andy Stewart, Founder > Worcester Linux Users' Group (http://www.wlug.org) > Chelmsford Linux Meetup Group (http://linux.meetup.com/393) > Amateur Radio: KB1OIQ > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > > iD8DBQFKZ54oOjiraCaOTOoRAudJAKC2VQSuyM6NqatZziUKI+delylJ/ACg1GBv > 7QbEtw4FvEtkMcKyyolN/Os= > =ZTnh > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

July 23, 2009

Re: [Wlug] fearless BBQ thurs 7/23

by Gregory Avedissian

If anyone going to the bbq from Worcester (or passing through) has room for two, Liz and I would like to go. Please send me an email if you can give us a ride. Thanks. Greg Doug Mildram wrote: > (I did goof last week as you may recall announcing 7/13, > but the plan remains: REALLY: 7/23 thursday. 6pm--9?whatever > and it's perfectly OK to be late. no RSVP required. >

July 23, 2009

Re: [Wlug] fearless BBQ thurs 7/23

by Andy Stewart

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Doug Mildram wrote: > (I did goof last week as you may recall announcing 7/13, > but the plan remains: REALLY: 7/23 thursday. 6pm--9?whatever > and it's perfectly OK to be late. no RSVP required. > > I'm ready for good or bad weather or both :) > I've setup tunes (linux/soundblaster/mp3's) in my 2-car garage, > with garage/protected space for picnic table and more. The BBQ grill > needs moving, > then everything will be together/nearby in the garage+driveway, or on > the lawn if we are blessed with suddenly perfect weather.The aboveground > pool is open too. > > Bring your favorite beverages, friends, optional mp3's(on USB stick), > and a spare VGA M-M monitor cable for me if you found one in your junkpile > (I did get 3 already from Liz) > > Text directions/phone#s again below for 540 Linden St, Boylston MA 01505 : > > http://webpages.charter.net/mquinty/directions/boylston_from_495+62.txt > http://webpages.charter.net/mquinty/directions/boylston_from_rte2_lancaster… > http://webpages.charter.net/mquinty/directions/boylston_from_auburn_worc_29… HI Doug, This all looks great - thanks! I'll see you all on Thursday evening. Andy - -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group (http://www.wlug.org) Chelmsford Linux Meetup Group (http://linux.meetup.com/393) Amateur Radio: KB1OIQ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFKZ54oOjiraCaOTOoRAudJAKC2VQSuyM6NqatZziUKI+delylJ/ACg1GBv 7QbEtw4FvEtkMcKyyolN/Os= =ZTnh -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

July 22, 2009

fearless BBQ thurs 7/23

by Doug Mildram

(I did goof last week as you may recall announcing 7/13, but the plan remains: REALLY: 7/23 thursday. 6pm--9?whatever and it's perfectly OK to be late. no RSVP required. I'm ready for good or bad weather or both :) I've setup tunes (linux/soundblaster/mp3's) in my 2-car garage, with garage/protected space for picnic table and more. The BBQ grill needs moving, then everything will be together/nearby in the garage+driveway, or on the lawn if we are blessed with suddenly perfect weather.The aboveground pool is open too. Bring your favorite beverages, friends, optional mp3's(on USB stick), and a spare VGA M-M monitor cable for me if you found one in your junkpile (I did get 3 already from Liz) Text directions/phone#s again below for 540 Linden St, Boylston MA 01505 : http://webpages.charter.net/mquinty/directions/boylston_from_495+62.txt http://webpages.charter.net/mquinty/directions/boylston_from_rte2_lancaster… http://webpages.charter.net/mquinty/directions/boylston_from_auburn_worc_29…

July 22, 2009

Re: [Wlug] BBQ?

by Stephen Daukas

I can't make the BBQ - to much to do before traveling to a wedding - but here is my forecast from yesterday: *Shrewsbury Area Weather for 7/21-7/27//2009 (see disclaimer at bottom)...* *Summary* A Low off Delmarva Peninsula will move into our area later today, and into the Gulf of Maine Wednesday. Warm and humid High will make Wednesday the better day of the next several, but a backdoor cool front will bring more unsettled Wx on Thursday and Friday, including possibility of TStorms. Effects from the Bermuda High will persist through Monday. *Today* Dew point ~61°F, Temps ~65°F, Winds generally E running 4-6 MPH. Precipitation across western MA, northern CT and southern NH with axis of persistent heavier rainfall across eastern half of southern New England. Rainless periods toward mid morning, but 1-2 inches of rainfall in some areas by end of day. *Wednesday* Dew Point ~61°F to ~65°F. Temps ~81°F. Winds NW-WSW @ 1-8 MPH. Clouds start to clear during afternoon. Should end up as a partly cloudy afternoon. This will be the best day of the workweek. *Thursday* Dew point ~68°F, Temps ~76°F, Winds generally S running 2-8 MPH. "Backdoor" cold front moves into our area disrupting warmer and more humid air from the Bermuda High. This will result in cooler temps and increased risk of rain and TStorms. TStorms will lead cold front. *Friday* Dew point ~65°F, Temps ~81°F, Winds generally SW running 5-7 MPH. Similar to Thursday, but lower probability of precip. and TStorms a High reasserts. *Saturday - Monday* Dew point ~654°F, Temps ~80°F, Winds variable 2-6 MPH. Temps near normal, typical summer diurnal cloud cover with potential for showers and afternoon TStorms. * Disclaimer:* My forecasts should not be used for anything other than general information. You should not send my forecasts to others without this disclaimer attached so that there is no chance of misinterpretation by others. Thanks! Regards, Steve -- Stephen C. Daukas Engineer, Geoscientist _________________________________________________________________ - Civilization exists by geological consent, subject to change without notice. - -- Will Durant On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 9:53 AM, Tim Keller <turbofx(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Hey Gang, > > So is there any consensus on the BBQ being held tonight or postponed? > > Thanks, > Tim. > > -- > I am weary of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their > constituents as "consumers". > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > >

July 22, 2009

BBQ?

by Tim Keller

Hey Gang, So is there any consensus on the BBQ being held tonight or postponed? Thanks, Tim. -- I am weary of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

July 22, 2009

REMINDER: WLUG BBQ

by Andy Stewart

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 HI Everybody, This is the first in an infinite series of reminder emails regarding the WLUG BBQ. This event will be held at Doug Mildram's place (thanks, Doug!). The date for the event is Thursday, July 23rd, 2009 at 6:00 PM. As supplied by Doug, here are directions and contact information: http://webpages.charter.net/mquinty/directions/boylston_from_495+62.txt http://webpages.charter.net/mquinty/directions/boylston_from_rte2_lancaster… http://webpages.charter.net/mquinty/directions/boylston_from_auburn_worc_29… Food and drink are being supplied by WLUG. BYOB is at the discretion of our host. If you wish to bring dessert, munchies, a special dietary item, or the like, feel free! WLUG will be supplying the basics of hot dogs, hamburgers, rolls, condiments, paper products, etc. If there are any questions, send email to Doug (dmildram(a)gmail.com) As has been the case for the last many years, there will be a large painted TUX nearby to direct you to the location. In the event of inclement weather, we don't have a plan. The weather will be good. See ya there! Andy - -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group (http://www.wlug.org) Chelmsford Linux Meetup Group (http://linux.meetup.com/393) Amateur Radio: KB1OIQ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFKX9wTOjiraCaOTOoRAlXWAJ0QzZE5YtNaLXjF7FjFyKInJo6t+wCfVCZV Jg/BGR9h341gZJ143vhJwyw= =JWdW -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

July 17, 2009

Re: [Wlug] VGA cables ; BBQ

by E Johnson

I have 3 (three) VGA cables here. If you want 'em, come get 'em. Newton Square Worcester, easy parking in lot out back. I would like to attend BBQ, if someone can provide ride to/from Worcester, that would be very nice. Will bring big bowl of somewhat healthy goodies (side dish) as contribution. Potato salad or cole slaw type of thing, probably. > Salsa+cornchips? Several of each. > next thursday 7/13 at my house in Boylston? There is no Thursday 7/13 in 2009. Hopefully you meant 7/23?? Thanks in advance for clarifying. Let me know about the VGA cables. Please e-mail me <iris.gates AT gmail.com> for phone number exchange so we can arrange pickup time. Good luck Liz J 2009/7/16 Doug Mildram <dmildram(a)gmail.com>: > doug> hi! packrat alert and BBQ teaser/feeler. > > 1) who has stashed VGA monitor cables (M/M, not extension) from dead > monitors ? > (from monitors whose cables are not molded on! ) > I need a bunch for work... a remote to-be-shutdown-site simpleton > packed up LCD monitors and shipped them to the mother ship withOUT cables. > I have a semi-new job at EMC, the mother ship/flotilla in Hopkinton. > True, I could buy 10 cables for maybe $20 on ebay. > > 2) Coming to the WLUG bbq next thursday 7/13 at my house in Boylston? > (details later, perhaps by Andy). I'll be shopping for that soon, > Soliciting ideas and "I'll be there" (or not) reply-to-me appreciated. > (BYOB, bring your kids/dogs/SO's, the cheesy aboveground pool is working) > > Idea hunting: > burgers,dogs(easy); sausages?(more challenging, what's a good brand/type > that won't turn my grill into an inferno?). Healthy side dishes? > (can't think > of any at the moment. Maybe you'll bring something or suggest something > easy). > Chips: normal like Lays/Ruffles? exotic like Cape Cod? Salsa+cornchips? > One of each, probably...I can be real cheap when it comes to things like > chips. > e.g. $3 for 8oz of hummus==toomuch! Oh well, "whiner off". I usually > save big at PriceRite (in Worcester and many other locations), it's a very > multicultural experience :) - doug and the dogs... > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > >

July 16, 2009

VGA cables ; BBQ

by Doug Mildram

doug> hi! packrat alert and BBQ teaser/feeler. 1) who has stashed VGA monitor cables (M/M, not extension) from dead monitors ? (from monitors whose cables are not molded on! ) I need a bunch for work... a remote to-be-shutdown-site simpleton packed up LCD monitors and shipped them to the mother ship withOUT cables. I have a semi-new job at EMC, the mother ship/flotilla in Hopkinton. True, I could buy 10 cables for maybe $20 on ebay. 2) Coming to the WLUG bbq next thursday 7/13 at my house in Boylston? (details later, perhaps by Andy). I'll be shopping for that soon, Soliciting ideas and "I'll be there" (or not) reply-to-me appreciated. (BYOB, bring your kids/dogs/SO's, the cheesy aboveground pool is working) Idea hunting: burgers,dogs(easy); sausages?(more challenging, what's a good brand/type that won't turn my grill into an inferno?). Healthy side dishes? (can't think of any at the moment. Maybe you'll bring something or suggest something easy). Chips: normal like Lays/Ruffles? exotic like Cape Cod? Salsa+cornchips? One of each, probably...I can be real cheap when it comes to things like chips. e.g. $3 for 8oz of hummus==toomuch! Oh well, "whiner off". I usually save big at PriceRite (in Worcester and many other locations), it's a very multicultural experience :) - doug and the dogs...

July 16, 2009

Fedora 11 and mingw32

by dulsi＠identicalsoftware.com

I installed fedora 11 on my old laptop and turned back on glitch free audio. It almost works perfectly. Sufficient that I probably wouldn't bother turning it off now. I think the hard drive is starting to fail so I decided to purchase a new laptop. Since I'd like some 3D functionality now I decided to go with the Intel GMA X4500. Unfortunately Fedora 11 stumbled here. I thought the picture quality wasn't very good and found it was using the vesa drivers not the intel drivers. Searching found that others had the same issue but it worked on Fedora 10. Tried a Fedora 10 live CD and the display was nice and sharp. Modified the xorg.conf to use the intel drivers and Fedora 11 also became nice and sharp. Anyway onto my question, has anyone played with the mingw32 cross compiler on Fedora 11? I've created a simple hello world app and cmake file (since I hate autotools). I've got it compiling by creating a Toolchain file but it seems like that is something that should be provided with the mingw32. Is there a standard Toolchain file somewhere and I just haven't found it?

July 5, 2009

Re: [Wlug] Making a pipe or socket look like a file.

by John Stoffel

Alex> I'm trying to extend the functionality of a piece of CAD Alex> software i'm using. The software package is called eagle and it Alex> has a custom in application scripting language that allows you Alex> to access an open CAD document by manipulating a tree of Alex> objects. The scripting language is fairly limited when it comes Alex> to talking to the outside world and only offers rudimentary file Alex> IO. I was wondering if any of you know how to make one end of a Alex> unix socket look like a file? What exactly are you trying to achive here with eagle's rudimentary file IO? Do you want to feed Eagle a design in realtime from the socket? Or be able to send data to/from the app from another host? What? I've read the suggestions, and they all have some merit, but I'm still at a loss to understand what you're trying to accomplish. Once we know that, maybe we can suggest a better solution than sockets. John

July 1, 2009

Fwd: Making a pipe or socket look like a file.

by J. R. Mauro

Damn phone didn't let me reply all Begin forwarded message: > From: "J. R. Mauro" <jrm8005(a)gmail.com> > Date: July 1, 2009 10:00:44 EDT > To: Mike Frysinger <vapier(a)gentoo.org> > Subject: Re: [Wlug] Making a pipe or socket look like a file. > > > > > > On Jul 1, 2009, at 9:33, Mike Frysinger <vapier(a)gentoo.org> wrote: > >> On Tuesday 30 June 2009 22:35:44 J. R. Mauro wrote: >>> On Jun 30, 2009, at 22:24, Mike Frysinger wrote: >>>> On Tuesday 30 June 2009 21:47:18 J. R. Mauro wrote: >>>> >>>> please dont top post >>> >>> Who did? >> >> i'm guessing you made this comment ironically > > Actually, I was probably drunk, and I was definitely typing on my > phone both times, so forgive me if I wasn't an ml-etiquette zealot. > > Moving things is a worse sin than top posting. > >> >> >>>>> On Jun 30, 2009, at 21:42, Alex Camilo <alex.camilo(a)gmail.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>>> I'm trying to extend the functionality of a piece of CAD software >>>>>> i'm using. The software package is called eagle and it has a >>>>>> custom >>>>>> in application scripting language that allows you to access an >>>>>> open >>>>>> CAD document by manipulating a tree of objects. The scripting >>>>>> language is fairly limited when it comes to talking to the >>>>>> outside >>>>>> world and only offers rudimentary file IO. I was wondering if >>>>>> any of >>>>>> you know how to make one end of a unix socket look like a file? >>>>> >>>>> Unfortunately, you can't. It's one of the design flaws of Unix. >>>>> You >>>>> might be able to wrap it with a FUSE filesystem. But sockets and >>>>> FIFOs >>>>> are unfortunately "special" >>>> >>>> i imagine you could use netcat to redirect from a named pipe so >>>> that >>>> you can >>> >>> FIFOs are kind of a hack. >> >> no one said otherwise. the fun thing about *nix is you can >> leverage these >> kind of hacks quickly. > > And then go through the pain of hacking on top of them and > supporting them. The *real* unix mindset was careful, elegantly > minimal design, not ad-hackery. That started outside Bell Labs. > > c.f. most perl programs > >> >> >>> Make a fuse filesystem in 20 lines of python >>> and you get something more robust and specialized, plus network >>> transparency for free >> >> if you say so, i havent done fuse work myself >> -mike > > It's laughably easy. I had a filesystem written to expose stuff from > the x server (mouse coordinates, snarf buffer, etc) in about four > hours. The hard part was dealing with how crappy x11 is (400 lines > to r/w the snarf buffer?! Gag me with a spoon! X is the epitome of > bad design and bad APIs) The fuse part was a joy, and probably all > of it was fewer lines than the snarf buffer. > > It seems like the OP wants a permanent solution, and maybe one that > involves biderectional communication and separation of roles into > multiple channels (he didn't say the last bit, but I've got five > bucks that says he'll want to once he thinks about it and looks at > other fileserver-based programs like Acme, rio, factotum, flickrfs, > etc) > > Using fifos for this is lunacy.

July 1, 2009

Re: [Wlug] Making a pipe or socket look like a file.

by Mike Frysinger

On Tuesday 30 June 2009 22:35:44 J. R. Mauro wrote: > On Jun 30, 2009, at 22:24, Mike Frysinger wrote: > > On Tuesday 30 June 2009 21:47:18 J. R. Mauro wrote: > > > > please dont top post > > Who did? i'm guessing you made this comment ironically > >> On Jun 30, 2009, at 21:42, Alex Camilo <alex.camilo(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >>> I'm trying to extend the functionality of a piece of CAD software > >>> i'm using. The software package is called eagle and it has a custom > >>> in application scripting language that allows you to access an open > >>> CAD document by manipulating a tree of objects. The scripting > >>> language is fairly limited when it comes to talking to the outside > >>> world and only offers rudimentary file IO. I was wondering if any of > >>> you know how to make one end of a unix socket look like a file? > >> > >> Unfortunately, you can't. It's one of the design flaws of Unix. You > >> might be able to wrap it with a FUSE filesystem. But sockets and > >> FIFOs > >> are unfortunately "special" > > > > i imagine you could use netcat to redirect from a named pipe so that > > you can > > FIFOs are kind of a hack. no one said otherwise. the fun thing about *nix is you can leverage these kind of hacks quickly. > Make a fuse filesystem in 20 lines of python > and you get something more robust and specialized, plus network > transparency for free if you say so, i havent done fuse work myself -mike

July 1, 2009

Re: [Wlug] Making a pipe or socket look like a file.

by J. R. Mauro

On Jun 30, 2009, at 22:47, Alex Camilo <alex.camilo(a)gmail.com> wrote: > I'm thinking fuse might work. I'l look into working with fuse in It's dead simple, even in C. And then you can have a bunch of files for specific tasks > > python when I get to a real computer. Thanks! > > > > On Jun 30, 2009, at 10:35 PM, "J. R. Mauro" <jrm8005(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> >> >> >> >> On Jun 30, 2009, at 22:24, Mike Frysinger <vapier(a)gentoo.org> wrote: >> >>> On Tuesday 30 June 2009 21:47:18 J. R. Mauro wrote: >>> >>> please dont top post >> >> Who did? >> >>> >>> >>>> On Jun 30, 2009, at 21:42, Alex Camilo <alex.camilo(a)gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>>> I'm trying to extend the functionality of a piece of CAD software >>>>> i'm using. The software package is called eagle and it has a >>>>> custom >>>>> in application scripting language that allows you to access an >>>>> open >>>>> CAD document by manipulating a tree of objects. The scripting >>>>> language is fairly limited when it comes to talking to the outside >>>>> world and only offers rudimentary file IO. I was wondering if any >>>>> of >>>>> you know how to make one end of a unix socket look like a file? >>>> >>>> Unfortunately, you can't. It's one of the design flaws of Unix. You >>>> might be able to wrap it with a FUSE filesystem. But sockets and >>>> FIFOs >>>> are unfortunately "special" >>> >>> i imagine you could use netcat to redirect from a named pipe so that >>> you can >> >> FIFOs are kind of a hack. Make a fuse filesystem in 20 lines of >> python >> and you get something more robust and specialized, plus network >> transparency for free >> >>> >>> read/write via the network ... seems to work for me >>> >>> $ mkfifo fifo >>> shell 1: $ nc -l -p 12345 localhost > fifo >>> shell 2: $ cat fifo >>> shell 3: $ nc localhost 12345 >>> -mike >> _______________________________________________ >> Wlug mailing list >> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

July 1, 2009

Re: [Wlug] Making a pipe or socket look like a file.

by Alex Camilo

I'm thinking fuse might work. I'l look into working with fuse in python when I get to a real computer. Thanks! On Jun 30, 2009, at 10:35 PM, "J. R. Mauro" <jrm8005(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On Jun 30, 2009, at 22:24, Mike Frysinger <vapier(a)gentoo.org> wrote: > >> On Tuesday 30 June 2009 21:47:18 J. R. Mauro wrote: >> >> please dont top post > > Who did? > >> >> >>> On Jun 30, 2009, at 21:42, Alex Camilo <alex.camilo(a)gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>>> I'm trying to extend the functionality of a piece of CAD software >>>> i'm using. The software package is called eagle and it has a custom >>>> in application scripting language that allows you to access an open >>>> CAD document by manipulating a tree of objects. The scripting >>>> language is fairly limited when it comes to talking to the outside >>>> world and only offers rudimentary file IO. I was wondering if any >>>> of >>>> you know how to make one end of a unix socket look like a file? >>> >>> Unfortunately, you can't. It's one of the design flaws of Unix. You >>> might be able to wrap it with a FUSE filesystem. But sockets and >>> FIFOs >>> are unfortunately "special" >> >> i imagine you could use netcat to redirect from a named pipe so that >> you can > > FIFOs are kind of a hack. Make a fuse filesystem in 20 lines of python > and you get something more robust and specialized, plus network > transparency for free > >> >> read/write via the network ... seems to work for me >> >> $ mkfifo fifo >> shell 1: $ nc -l -p 12345 localhost > fifo >> shell 2: $ cat fifo >> shell 3: $ nc localhost 12345 >> -mike > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

July 1, 2009

Re: [Wlug] Making a pipe or socket look like a file.

by J. R. Mauro

On Jun 30, 2009, at 22:24, Mike Frysinger <vapier(a)gentoo.org> wrote: > On Tuesday 30 June 2009 21:47:18 J. R. Mauro wrote: > > please dont top post Who did? > > >> On Jun 30, 2009, at 21:42, Alex Camilo <alex.camilo(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> I'm trying to extend the functionality of a piece of CAD software >>> i'm using. The software package is called eagle and it has a custom >>> in application scripting language that allows you to access an open >>> CAD document by manipulating a tree of objects. The scripting >>> language is fairly limited when it comes to talking to the outside >>> world and only offers rudimentary file IO. I was wondering if any of >>> you know how to make one end of a unix socket look like a file? >> >> Unfortunately, you can't. It's one of the design flaws of Unix. You >> might be able to wrap it with a FUSE filesystem. But sockets and >> FIFOs >> are unfortunately "special" > > i imagine you could use netcat to redirect from a named pipe so that > you can FIFOs are kind of a hack. Make a fuse filesystem in 20 lines of python and you get something more robust and specialized, plus network transparency for free > > read/write via the network ... seems to work for me > > $ mkfifo fifo > shell 1: $ nc -l -p 12345 localhost > fifo > shell 2: $ cat fifo > shell 3: $ nc localhost 12345 > -mike

July 1, 2009

Re: [Wlug] Making a pipe or socket look like a file.

by Mike Frysinger

On Tuesday 30 June 2009 21:47:18 J. R. Mauro wrote: please dont top post > On Jun 30, 2009, at 21:42, Alex Camilo <alex.camilo(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > I'm trying to extend the functionality of a piece of CAD software > > i'm using. The software package is called eagle and it has a custom > > in application scripting language that allows you to access an open > > CAD document by manipulating a tree of objects. The scripting > > language is fairly limited when it comes to talking to the outside > > world and only offers rudimentary file IO. I was wondering if any of > > you know how to make one end of a unix socket look like a file? > > Unfortunately, you can't. It's one of the design flaws of Unix. You > might be able to wrap it with a FUSE filesystem. But sockets and FIFOs > are unfortunately "special" i imagine you could use netcat to redirect from a named pipe so that you can read/write via the network ... seems to work for me $ mkfifo fifo shell 1: $ nc -l -p 12345 localhost > fifo shell 2: $ cat fifo shell 3: $ nc localhost 12345 -mike

July 1, 2009

Re: [Wlug] Making a pipe or socket look like a file.

by Scott Venier

J. R. Mauro wrote: > Unfortunately, you can't. It's one of the design flaws of Unix. You > might be able to wrap it with a FUSE filesystem. But sockets and FIFOs are > unfortunately "special" > FIFOs do exist in the filesystem (see mkfifo(3)), but they're only unidirectional. If you want bidirectional, either need a pair of FIFOs, or as a bit of a hack, you could have your external process open up a unix socket and write the fd number and it's PID into some pre-arranged file (say, /tmp/<username>/eagle/socket_location). Your script could then open that file, and use the information to construct a path to /proc/<PID>/fd/<fd> and access the socket as a file that way. Or, I suppose you could simplify the script side by making that pre-arranged file into a symlink to /proc/<PID>/fd/<fd>. Scott

July 1, 2009

Re: [Wlug] Making a pipe or socket look like a file.

by J. R. Mauro

Unfortunately, you can't. It's one of the design flaws of Unix. You might be able to wrap it with a FUSE filesystem. But sockets and FIFOs are unfortunately "special" On Jun 30, 2009, at 21:42, Alex Camilo <alex.camilo(a)gmail.com> wrote: > I'm trying to extend the functionality of a piece of CAD software > i'm using. The software package is called eagle and it has a custom > in application scripting language that allows you to access an open > CAD document by manipulating a tree of objects. The scripting > language is fairly limited when it comes to talking to the outside > world and only offers rudimentary file IO. I was wondering if any of > you know how to make one end of a unix socket look like a file? > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

July 1, 2009

Making a pipe or socket look like a file.

by Alex Camilo

I'm trying to extend the functionality of a piece of CAD software i'm using. The software package is called eagle and it has a custom in application scripting language that allows you to access an open CAD document by manipulating a tree of objects. The scripting language is fairly limited when it comes to talking to the outside world and only offers rudimentary file IO. I was wondering if any of you know how to make one end of a unix socket look like a file?

July 1, 2009

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by John Spencer

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June 22, 2009

Horrendous traffic - I may be late this evening...

by Andy Stewart

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June 18, 2009

long shot (external usb cdrom?)

by Doug Mildram

In case you have an external USB cd-rom drive collecting dust, bring it tonite and I'll trade you something for it ! forgive the shamelessness. -doug

June 18, 2009