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I finally got the GEntoo liveCD running.

by Ken Jones

It took me three hours to figure out that at the ok prompt I am meant to write: ok boot cdrom boot: gentoo-2.4 But I am started! Ken

May 12, 2010

Reminder: WLUG Meeting Wednesday May 12 7PM

by Chuck Anderson

Reminder about tomorrow's WLUG meeting. On Tue, May 04, 2010 at 02:13:41PM -0400, Chuck Anderson wrote: > Hi folks, > > Our next WLUG meeting is scheduled to be held on Wednesday, May 12 at > 7:00 PM in Morgan Hall at the WPI campus in Worcester, MA USA. > > I'm pleased to announce that Jeff Moyer from Red Hat will be our guest > speaker. He will be giving a talk on Solid-State Drive technology > (SSDs): > > A Complete Guide to SSDs > > This talk explains the inner workings of solid state storage > technology in an easy to understand manner. The innate properties of > NAND flash are discussed in the context of current disk scheduling > methodologies. Benchmark results comparing SSDs and traditional > rotating media are presented. The talk further outlines changes in the > Linux kernel and file system utilities that have been made to > accommodate SSDs, and changes that are on their way. Finally, guidance > is given on practical deployment of SSDs, including file system > creation and mount options, I/O scheduler selection, and answers to > some frequently asked questions. > > I look forward to seeing you there, > Chuck > President, Worcester Linux Users' Group

May 11, 2010

Re: [Wlug] Boy an I out-of-it

by Mike Frysinger

On Tuesday 11 May 2010 18:10:33 Ken Jones wrote: > It is now running Gentoo's bash. Bash has so few commands that I am > feeling helpless. When I try a BOOT from DISC to my gentoo liveCD. The > machine just ejects the disc. bash has very few builtins. most everything is an external command. i think you're confusing these things. > I have eth0 working, but bash does not have a ssh command. Nor is there a > demon sshd lying around. There is no 'locate' command. There is no 'find' > command. these programs are either not in your $PATH, or they arent installed. bash really has nothing to do with it -- it largely just searches your $PATH for the command you typed. Gentoo installs a busybox rescue shell by default which includes a lot of networking type commands. you can access it by running `bb` or `busybox <command>`. > I am very much missing something. What? i really dont know what you're trying to do. if you're having sparc troubles, there's a Gentoo sparc e-mail list and irc channel where sparc peeps hang out. -mike

May 11, 2010

Boy an I out-of-it

by Ken Jones

WLUG folks-> I got my ULTRA1 Creator up and running. I accomplished this by taking my original (Aurora) hard drive out of slot 1 and reinstalled the hard drive that had been there in the first place. When I had the Aurora in slot 1 everything booted and looked perfect for X Windows, but then in the last step it crashed. It is now running Gentoo's bash. Bash has so few commands that I am feeling helpless. When I try a BOOT from DISC to my gentoo liveCD. The machine just ejects the disc. I have eth0 working, but bash does not have a ssh command. Nor is there a demon sshd lying around. There is no 'locate' command. There is no 'find' command. I am very much missing something. What? I now feel challenged. Ken

May 11, 2010

Re: [Wlug] 2.6.20-gentoo-R5

by Mike Frysinger

On Tuesday 11 May 2010 16:27:45 Ken Jones wrote: > I've got my ULTRA1 Creator running 2.6.20-gentoo-R5. > > I am having senior moments. Too long since I have command line LINUX'd. > Even longer since I have bash'd. > > My terminal display is different colors between files and directories which > I do not like. > > Where is that defined? when your current terminal ($TERM) matches a valid entry in your /etc/DIR_COLORS database (or ~/.dir_colors), Gentoo's global bashrc will set up LS_COLORS via `dircolors` as well as create an ls alias that enables colors by default. easiest thing is to create your own ls alias in ~/.bashrc or simply unalias it echo 'unalias ls 2>/dev/null || :' >> ~/.bashrc -mike

May 11, 2010

Re: [Wlug] 2.6.20-gentoo-R5

by Brett Russ

On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 4:27 PM, Ken Jones <kjones(a)ziplink.net> wrote: > My terminal display is different colors between files and directories which > I do not like. > > Where is that defined? Quick fix to verify is try these commands: alias ls # will show if it's using an alias which forces colors unalias ls # will disable it in the current shell -BR

May 11, 2010

Re: [Wlug] 2.6.20-gentoo-R5

by Clint Moyer

I think you're talking about environmental variable LS_COLORS. ---- Ken Jones <kjones(a)ziplink.net> wrote: ============= I've got my ULTRA1 Creator running 2.6.20-gentoo-R5. I am having senior moments. Too long since I have command line LINUX'd. Even longer since I have bash'd. My terminal display is different colors between files and directories which I do not like. Where is that defined? I will have many questions over the next couple of days. Please be forewarned. Ken Jones _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

May 11, 2010

Re: [Wlug] 2.6.20-gentoo-R5

by Strazdas, Rich

http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/Ls should help. Scroll down to Customize colors. It's been a while since I've dealt with this, too! Rich Strazdas -----Original Message----- From: wlug-bounces(a)mail.wlug.org [mailto:wlug-bounces@mail.wlug.org] On Behalf Of Ken Jones Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2010 4:28 PM To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org Subject: [Wlug] 2.6.20-gentoo-R5 I've got my ULTRA1 Creator running 2.6.20-gentoo-R5. I am having senior moments. Too long since I have command line LINUX'd. Even longer since I have bash'd. My terminal display is different colors between files and directories which I do not like. Where is that defined? I will have many questions over the next couple of days. Please be forewarned. Ken Jones _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug Warning, information subject to export control laws. The information contained within this email may be subject to the International Traffic in Arms Regulation (ITAR) or the Export Administration Regulations (EAR). This information shall not be exported, released, or disclosed to foreign nationals inside or outside the United States without first complying with the export authorization requirements of the ITAR and/or the EAR. This e-mail message is generated from Coghlin Companies Inc. or one of its subsidiaries including, but not limited to, Columbia Electrical Contractors, Inc. d/b/a Columbia Tech; DCI Automation, Inc.d/b/a DCI Engineering Services; Cogmedix, Inc.; and Coghlin Precision, Inc. This message may contain information that is CONFIDENTIAL, and may also possibly contain information that is being held as a Trade Secret. The information is intended to be disclosed solely to the addressee(s). If you are the intended recipient, any information herein is to be held as CONFIDENTIAL pursuant to any Non-Disclosure Agreement applicable between the parties, or as a Trade Secret as applicable. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this e-mail information is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender by return e-mail and delete it from your computer system.

May 11, 2010

Re: [Wlug] 2.6.20-gentoo-R5

by Clint Moyer

I think you're talking about environmental variable LS_COLORS. ---- Ken Jones <kjones(a)ziplink.net> wrote: ============= I've got my ULTRA1 Creator running 2.6.20-gentoo-R5. I am having senior moments. Too long since I have command line LINUX'd. Even longer since I have bash'd. My terminal display is different colors between files and directories which I do not like. Where is that defined? I will have many questions over the next couple of days. Please be forewarned. Ken Jones _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

May 11, 2010

2.6.20-gentoo-R5

by Ken Jones

I've got my ULTRA1 Creator running 2.6.20-gentoo-R5. I am having senior moments. Too long since I have command line LINUX'd. Even longer since I have bash'd. My terminal display is different colors between files and directories which I do not like. Where is that defined? I will have many questions over the next couple of days. Please be forewarned. Ken Jones

May 11, 2010

Re: [Wlug] OMG this thing was expensive

by Mike Peckar

This sparked my curiosity, so I looked up the original list price for the HP 9000 J210 running HPUX someone on this list gave me nearly 10 years ago (and I still use occasionally). I found specs for a similar unit that had half as much disk (2GB), only one 120MHZ CPU vs. the 2 on mine and 1/4 the RAM (64MB)... That beast listed for $85,380 in 1996. Wow indeed. Mike

May 10, 2010

Re: [Wlug] How do I identify the DSIMM sizes?

by Ken Jones

NEVER MIND - I got it. 501-2622 is a 32Meg DSIMM. I found it in microprint on a card and I found it referenced in the ULTRA1 Creator Service Manual Thanks for being there. Ken ----- Original Message ----- From: Ken Jones To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org Cc: John Stoffel Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 8:42 PM Subject: How do I identify the DSIMM sizes? There seems to be no identification markings on the DSIMM cards. I know they come in 4Meg and 16Meg sizes (at least). I have two kinds of cards. One has all 18 memory DIPs on one side. The other has ten on one side and eight on the other. The SUN Service Manuals give not hint on identifying anything. (Even the model of the whole unit as far as I can figure.) Ken ----- Original Message ----- From: Ken Jones To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org Cc: John Stoffel Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 2:18 PM Subject: OMG this thing was expensive Hello again, I've finally gotten around to fixing my SPARC ULTRA 1 machine. It's cpu fan is fried. I have a SPARC ULTRA 1 CREATOR that works with UBUNTU linux but I never got X-WINDOWS working on it. The working SPARC has been my home file server for all these many years. It had Aurora Linux with X all working fine. I figured I would do some swapping. Although the outsides are identical the two machines differ inside. The CREATOR has no cpu fan - just cooling fins. Good, I guess. I had no Service Manuals for either machine so I went to Wikipedia. It has the manuals. It also said, "The Ultra 1 Creator3D 170E launched in November 1995 with a list price of US$27,995." WOW!! QUESTION: If I move from the ULTRA1 to the ULTRA1 CREATOR the SIMMs in bank one and the hard drive should everything come up per before the crash? Thanks for thinking about this. Twenty Seven Thousand Bucks WOW!! Ken ======= Email scanned by PC Tools - No viruses or spyware found. (Email Guard: 7.0.0.18, Virus/Spyware Database: 6.14950) http://www.pctools.com/ =======

May 10, 2010

How do I identify the DSIMM sizes?

by Ken Jones

There seems to be no identification markings on the DSIMM cards. I know they come in 4Meg and 16Meg sizes (at least). I have two kinds of cards. One has all 18 memory DIPs on one side. The other has ten on one side and eight on the other. The SUN Service Manuals give not hint on identifying anything. (Even the model of the whole unit as far as I can figure.) Ken ----- Original Message ----- From: Ken Jones To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org Cc: John Stoffel Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 2:18 PM Subject: OMG this thing was expensive Hello again, I've finally gotten around to fixing my SPARC ULTRA 1 machine. It's cpu fan is fried. I have a SPARC ULTRA 1 CREATOR that works with UBUNTU linux but I never got X-WINDOWS working on it. The working SPARC has been my home file server for all these many years. It had Aurora Linux with X all working fine. I figured I would do some swapping. Although the outsides are identical the two machines differ inside. The CREATOR has no cpu fan - just cooling fins. Good, I guess. I had no Service Manuals for either machine so I went to Wikipedia. It has the manuals. It also said, "The Ultra 1 Creator3D 170E launched in November 1995 with a list price of US$27,995." WOW!! QUESTION: If I move from the ULTRA1 to the ULTRA1 CREATOR the SIMMs in bank one and the hard drive should everything come up per before the crash? Thanks for thinking about this. Twenty Seven Thousand Bucks WOW!! Ken ======= Email scanned by PC Tools - No viruses or spyware found. (Email Guard: 7.0.0.18, Virus/Spyware Database: 6.14950) http://www.pctools.com/ =======

May 10, 2010

Re: [Wlug] OMG this thing was expensive

by John Stoffel

>>>>> "Ken" == Ken Jones <kjones(a)ziplink.net> writes: Ken> I've finally gotten around to fixing my SPARC ULTRA 1 machine. Ken> It's cpu fan is fried. I have a SPARC ULTRA 1 CREATOR that works Ken> with UBUNTU linux but I never got X-WINDOWS working on it. The Ken> working SPARC has been my home file server for all these many Ken> years. It had Aurora Linux with X all working fine. I figured I Ken> would do some swapping. Ken> Although the outsides are identical the two machines differ Ken> inside. The CREATOR has no cpu fan - just cooling fins. Good, I Ken> guess. I had no Service Manuals for either machine so I went to Ken> Wikipedia. It has the manuals. It also said, "The Ultra 1 Ken> Creator3D 170E launched in November 1995 with a list price of Ken> US$27,995." WOW!! Heh, I'm not suprised. We had an Encore Multimax at WPI way back when. $250k when it arrived (24 processors, 64Mb of RAM) and when it left three years later, we sold it for $25k. Talk about depreciation! Ken> QUESTION: If I move from the ULTRA1 to the ULTRA1 CREATOR the Ken> SIMMs in bank one and the hard drive should everything come up Ken> per before the crash? Probably. The only real difference is the graphics card in there, and that you're going up 30Mhz in speed to 170Mhz. Blinding. Again, I'd probably start seriously thiniing about moving to newer hardware, esp since you can get stuff without any moving parts which will be so much faster. But hey, I understand the joy of old hardware that just runs and runs and runs... Ken> Thanks for thinking about this. Twenty Seven Thousand Bucks WOW!! Thank you Mr. Moore!

May 9, 2010

OMG this thing was expensive

by Ken Jones

Hello again, I've finally gotten around to fixing my SPARC ULTRA 1 machine. It's cpu fan is fried. I have a SPARC ULTRA 1 CREATOR that works with UBUNTU linux but I never got X-WINDOWS working on it. The working SPARC has been my home file server for all these many years. It had Aurora Linux with X all working fine. I figured I would do some swapping. Although the outsides are identical the two machines differ inside. The CREATOR has no cpu fan - just cooling fins. Good, I guess. I had no Service Manuals for either machine so I went to Wikipedia. It has the manuals. It also said, "The Ultra 1 Creator3D 170E launched in November 1995 with a list price of US$27,995." WOW!! QUESTION: If I move from the ULTRA1 to the ULTRA1 CREATOR the SIMMs in bank one and the hard drive should everything come up per before the crash? Thanks for thinking about this. Twenty Seven Thousand Bucks WOW!! Ken ======= Email scanned by PC Tools - No viruses or spyware found. (Email Guard: 7.0.0.18, Virus/Spyware Database: 6.14950) http://www.pctools.com/ =======

May 9, 2010

Re: [Wlug] Meeting Wednesday May 12 7PM

by Doug Chamberlin

On 5/6/2010 10:31 PM, Frank Sweetser wrote: > That's quite a collection - maybe we should only raffle away two or > three per meeting to make 'em last? Maybe. As long as someone else takes them home from this meeting. After all, my goal is to be rid of them. ;) I'll leave it up to Chuck how to handle it.

May 7, 2010

Re: [Wlug] Meeting Wednesday May 12 7PM

by Frank Sweetser

On 5/6/2010 10:25 PM, Doug Chamberlin wrote: > I'll be bringing about 30 technical books I'm giving away for free. > Not sure how to handle it but maybe a raffle to determine order in which > they are taken. > Nothing fancy. Just trying to be fair. > Not that these will cause a mad rush or anything. > Anyway, here's a picture of them: > http://s754.photobucket.com/albums/xx181/greymont/?action=view&current=Avai… That's quite a collection - maybe we should only raffle away two or three per meeting to make 'em last? -- Frank Sweetser fs at wpi.edu | For every problem, there is a solution that WPI Senior Network Engineer | is simple, elegant, and wrong. - HL Mencken GPG fingerprint = 6174 1257 129E 0D21 D8D4 E8A3 8E39 29E3 E2E8 8CEC

May 7, 2010

Meeting Wednesday May 12 7PM

by Doug Chamberlin

I'll be bringing about 30 technical books I'm giving away for free. Not sure how to handle it but maybe a raffle to determine order in which they are taken. Nothing fancy. Just trying to be fair. Not that these will cause a mad rush or anything. Anyway, here's a picture of them: http://s754.photobucket.com/albums/xx181/greymont/?action=view&current=Avai…

May 7, 2010

Re: [Wlug] My SUN ULTRA ONE died!

by John Stoffel

So Ken, What did you end up doing with your Ultra 1? John

May 6, 2010

Announce: WLUG Meeting Wednesday May 12 7PM

by Chuck Anderson

Hi folks, Our next WLUG meeting is scheduled to be held on Wednesday, May 12 at 7:00 PM in Morgan Hall at the WPI campus in Worcester, MA USA. I'm pleased to announce that Jeff Moyer from Red Hat will be our guest speaker. He will be giving a talk on Solid-State Drive technology (SSDs): A Complete Guide to SSDs This talk explains the inner workings of solid state storage technology in an easy to understand manner. The innate properties of NAND flash are discussed in the context of current disk scheduling methodologies. Benchmark results comparing SSDs and traditional rotating media are presented. The talk further outlines changes in the Linux kernel and file system utilities that have been made to accommodate SSDs, and changes that are on their way. Finally, guidance is given on practical deployment of SSDs, including file system creation and mount options, I/O scheduler selection, and answers to some frequently asked questions. I look forward to seeing you there, Chuck President, Worcester Linux Users' Group

May 4, 2010

Re: [Wlug] Looking for a linux tablet

by Ryan Pugatch

They're now reporting that the Slate may be dead because of crappy Win7 performance - http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/30/hp-slate-killed-rumor-mill-says-yes/ On 04/22/2010 09:24 AM, Jared Greenwald wrote: > Not to interject, but there was a note on Engadget today about some > leak that the NYT got wind of from HP that they will be coming out > with Android and Linux based slate devices in the months after the > initial slate (running Win7) comes out (no timeframe was actually > given, though). > > On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 6:20 PM, soup<soupforare(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> How's it's no-phone mother, the N810? I've been waiting for the Pandora >> to happen but it doesn't look like I'm going to see it this decade. The >> 810s are getting nice and cheap lately. >> >> Take care, >> soup >> >> On 4/21/2010 2:21 PM, Randall Mason wrote: >>> On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 2:09 PM, Jorden Mauro<jrm8005(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> N900 is nice, but small >>>> >>>> >>> I think I said that... >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wlug mailing list >>> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >>> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wlug mailing list >> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >> > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

April 30, 2010

Re: [Wlug] My SUN ULTRA ONE died!

by John Stoffel

Ken> My SUN ULTRA ONE has stopped altogether. Scrap it. Have you looked at the prices people want on ebay for parts? Ken> It had turned itself off a month or so ago. When I hit the ON Ken> switch the little green light came on for a moment then went off. Ken> I figured a fan or something of that nature had died. Pull the cover and check the CPU fan to make sure it spins. They had an early history of dying, but all my experience is 10+ years old in terms of working on the,/ Ken> Today I got ready to work on it. Now nothing happens. Ken> Absolutely nothing when I push the ON switch. Pull the cover, what do you see? Did you blow out all the dust? Look for a fuse as well in the PS, though it might be buried. Ken> I have a running spare ULTRA ONE for parts. I suppose I have to Ken> start by swapping the power supplies, but I was hoping you guys Ken> would tell me about a fuse - or something. I'd probably just swap the power supplies first, then once I had the old one out, I'd look for a fuse. I honestly don't recall it being user serviceable though. It was probably pretty buried inside. But in any case, for the power and cost, you can do much better today. John

April 29, 2010

Re: [Wlug] My SUN ULTRA ONE died!

by Richard Klein

On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 4:34 PM, Ken Jones <kjones(a)ziplink.net> wrote: > Help!! > > My SUN ULTRA ONE has stopped altogether. > > It had turned itself off a month or so ago. When I hit the ON switch the > little green light came on for a moment then went off. I figured a fan or > something of that nature had died. > > Today I got ready to work on it. Now nothing happens. Absolutely nothing > when I push the ON switch. > > I have a running spare ULTRA ONE for parts. I suppose I have to start by > swapping the power supplies, but I was hoping you guys would tell me about > a fuse - or something. It sounds like the power supply to me, but the Apple PowerMacs had a bit of circuitry behind the power button that introduced another potential failure point. Maybe your Sun has something like that that you could check, first? -- Rich

April 28, 2010

My SUN ULTRA ONE died!

by Ken Jones

Help!! My SUN ULTRA ONE has stopped altogether. It had turned itself off a month or so ago. When I hit the ON switch the little green light came on for a moment then went off. I figured a fan or something of that nature had died. Today I got ready to work on it. Now nothing happens. Absolutely nothing when I push the ON switch. I have a running spare ULTRA ONE for parts. I suppose I have to start by swapping the power supplies, but I was hoping you guys would tell me about a fuse - or something. Ken Jones (Fitchburg) E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (7.0.0.514) Database version: 6.14790 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/

April 28, 2010

Re: [Wlug] Looking for a linux tablet

by Jared Greenwald

Not to interject, but there was a note on Engadget today about some leak that the NYT got wind of from HP that they will be coming out with Android and Linux based slate devices in the months after the initial slate (running Win7) comes out (no timeframe was actually given, though). On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 6:20 PM, soup <soupforare(a)gmail.com> wrote: > How's it's no-phone mother, the N810? I've been waiting for the Pandora > to happen but it doesn't look like I'm going to see it this decade. The > 810s are getting nice and cheap lately. > > Take care, > soup > > On 4/21/2010 2:21 PM, Randall Mason wrote: >> On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 2:09 PM, Jorden Mauro<jrm8005(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> N900 is nice, but small >>> >>> >> I think I said that... >> _______________________________________________ >> Wlug mailing list >> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

April 22, 2010

Re: [Wlug] Looking for a linux tablet

by soup

How's it's no-phone mother, the N810? I've been waiting for the Pandora to happen but it doesn't look like I'm going to see it this decade. The 810s are getting nice and cheap lately. Take care, soup On 4/21/2010 2:21 PM, Randall Mason wrote: > On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 2:09 PM, Jorden Mauro<jrm8005(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> N900 is nice, but small >> >> > I think I said that... > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > >

April 21, 2010

Re: [Wlug] Looking for a linux tablet

by Randall Mason

On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 2:09 PM, Jorden Mauro <jrm8005(a)gmail.com> wrote: > N900 is nice, but small > I think I said that...

April 21, 2010

Re: [Wlug] Looking for a linux tablet

by Jorden Mauro

N900 is nice, but small On Apr 21, 2010, at 1:30 PM, Randall Mason <clashthebunny(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Nokia N900 is my choice and still is, but only for a little bit > longer. > > On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 12:18 PM, <kstratton(a)fastmail.us> wrote: >> Anyone have a suggestion for a Linux tablet? >> >> This is what I am looking for: >> >> 1) Ability to schedule and store and hot sync information to both >> linux >> and windows computers. > Syncs with Exchange (=gmail/outlook/etc), that way everything is > consistent everywhere without having to plug any cords in. >> 2) Ability to run arbritary apps, this includes: > Yep, apt-get install xyz >> a) PDF viewer > Yep, comes with it. >> b) gcc or some other compiler > I have it in my debian chroot, python is built in. >> 3) Ability to add external periphials such as a keyboard or mouse. >> Portability is more inportant than this feature. I would expect the >> keyboard/mouse would need external batteries. > No usb, but it is a "computer" when it comes to bluetooth, so you can > use it with every bluetooth device. >> 4) Rechargable battery > Yep. >> 5) A good technically oriented user base > maemo.org is an amazingly technical user base. >> 6) Ability to reprogram the thing if I brick it. > Comes with directions on how to flash any firmware from scratch. You > don't have to use Maemo, you can theoretically use many other distros, > but Mer is the only one that I know of right now. > > The question is when do you consider it a tablet, and when do you > consider it a phone? The N900 has an 800x480 screen that's like 3.5". > If you want something with a little more square footage, I'd wait > until some of the big color but transflective Pixel Qi or Mirasol > displays start coming out, like the Notion Ink Adam; they are going to > be amazing. Most will probably run ARM, so don't expect anything to > run without source code available. > > -Randall > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

April 21, 2010

Re: [Wlug] Looking for a linux tablet

by Randall Mason

Nokia N900 is my choice and still is, but only for a little bit longer. On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 12:18 PM, <kstratton(a)fastmail.us> wrote: > Anyone have a suggestion for a Linux tablet? > > This is what I am looking for: > > 1) Ability to schedule and store and hot sync information to both linux > and windows computers. Syncs with Exchange (=gmail/outlook/etc), that way everything is consistent everywhere without having to plug any cords in. > 2) Ability to run arbritary apps, this includes: Yep, apt-get install xyz > a) PDF viewer Yep, comes with it. > b) gcc or some other compiler I have it in my debian chroot, python is built in. > 3) Ability to add external periphials such as a keyboard or mouse. > Portability is more inportant than this feature. I would expect the > keyboard/mouse would need external batteries. No usb, but it is a "computer" when it comes to bluetooth, so you can use it with every bluetooth device. > 4) Rechargable battery Yep. > 5) A good technically oriented user base maemo.org is an amazingly technical user base. > 6) Ability to reprogram the thing if I brick it. Comes with directions on how to flash any firmware from scratch. You don't have to use Maemo, you can theoretically use many other distros, but Mer is the only one that I know of right now. The question is when do you consider it a tablet, and when do you consider it a phone? The N900 has an 800x480 screen that's like 3.5". If you want something with a little more square footage, I'd wait until some of the big color but transflective Pixel Qi or Mirasol displays start coming out, like the Notion Ink Adam; they are going to be amazing. Most will probably run ARM, so don't expect anything to run without source code available. -Randall

April 21, 2010

Re: [Wlug] Looking for a linux tablet

by Jorden M

Always Innovating Touch Book. This thing comes with a complete distro, an active community, and open hw/sw stack, so 1,2,5,6 are covered. It's rechargable, of course, and actually, comes in two chunks: the tablet chunk, with its own battery, and an optional dockable keyboard part that turns it into a clamshell netbook. This has *another* battery that gives you (IIRC), something ridiculous like 10 hours of running time. The tablet part opens up easily and has 2 or 3 USB ports *inside* so you can hide a 3G or GPS card in it without the dongles dongling around the outside. The tablet itself has an accelerometer and in many respects is comparable to a big iPod Touch (except no multitouch, but the company doesn't think multitouch is really all that important. The screen itself can be used with a stylus or finger, and in a regular `desktop' GUI or a special touch GUI. The only thing is that they're built on demand or something, so it takes a long time to get one. However they don't charge you until it ships. I think the software is maybe just now out of beta but still under heavy development. They'll let you take their OS, or Ubuntu or Android or pretty much anything you want. (Though I think you have to install anything else yourself). HTH On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 12:18 PM, <kstratton(a)fastmail.us> wrote: > Anyone have a suggestion for a Linux tablet? > > This is what I am looking for: > > 1) Ability to schedule and store and hot sync information to both linux > and windows computers. > 2) Ability to run arbritary apps, this includes: > a) PDF viewer > b) gcc or some other compiler > 3) Ability to add external periphials such as a keyboard or mouse. > Portability is more inportant than this feature. I would expect the > keyboard/mouse would need external batteries. > 4) Rechargable battery > 5) A good technically oriented user base > 6) Ability to reprogram the thing if I brick it. > > I am open for all ideas. > -- > > kstratton(a)fastmail.us > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

April 21, 2010

Re: [Wlug] Looking for a linux tablet

by Adam Keck

Although it's stupidly expensive, you could get a Modbook (http://eshop.macsales.com/shop/Modbook) It's a third party combination of a MacBook Pro and a Wacom digitizer, both of which have Linux compatibility. If you picked up an older MacBook Pro and used their mod service, you would probably have decent driver support. Just a thought ;-) -Adam On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 12:18 PM, <kstratton(a)fastmail.us> wrote: > Anyone have a suggestion for a Linux tablet? > > This is what I am looking for: > > 1) Ability to schedule and store and hot sync information to both linux > and windows computers. > 2) Ability to run arbritary apps, this includes: > a) PDF viewer > b) gcc or some other compiler > 3) Ability to add external periphials such as a keyboard or mouse. > Portability is more inportant than this feature. I would expect the > keyboard/mouse would need external batteries. > 4) Rechargable battery > 5) A good technically oriented user base > 6) Ability to reprogram the thing if I brick it. > > I am open for all ideas. > -- > > kstratton(a)fastmail.us > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

April 21, 2010

Looking for a linux tablet

by kstratton＠fastmail.us

Anyone have a suggestion for a Linux tablet? This is what I am looking for: 1) Ability to schedule and store and hot sync information to both linux and windows computers. 2) Ability to run arbritary apps, this includes: a) PDF viewer b) gcc or some other compiler 3) Ability to add external periphials such as a keyboard or mouse. Portability is more inportant than this feature. I would expect the keyboard/mouse would need external batteries. 4) Rechargable battery 5) A good technically oriented user base 6) Ability to reprogram the thing if I brick it. I am open for all ideas. -- kstratton(a)fastmail.us

April 21, 2010

Re: [Wlug] iPhone

by Jorden M

On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 4:10 PM, Andy Stewart <andystewart(a)comcast.net> wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Jorden M wrote: >> The iPhone is still far too much of a vendor-lockin device. Apple >> increases their constriction on free development more with every >> release. >> >> Which is sad, because with an open hw/sw stack, it would be amazing. > > HI all, > > I was recently given an iPod touch, which is similar (as I understand > it) to the iPhone. > > Upon opening the box, I noticed immediately that the device is a brick. > It won't do anything until it is connected to Windoze or Mac and has > iTunes loaded. Vendor lock #1. > > OK, so my sister has a Windoze box and we un-bricked the device. Now it > functions. My attempt to load FREE (as in zero cost) applications from > the Apple Apps Store illustrates Vendor Lock #2. I had to apply for an > account, even to download free applications. The tool refused to > authenticate my account (I did not give my credit card number), so now I > cannot download the zero cost applications. Go figure. Yeah, the only way around that is to buy an iTunes card. > > I am in the process of trying to "jailbreak" the device...that is, run > software which removes some of the silly restrictions. The software > which runs on Linux to do this is outdated for my iPod OS version > (3.1.2), so its back to the Windoze machine. Vendor lock #3. This step > is in progress. > > Once I do this, I believe I can connect to Cydia and download truly free > applications. Yes. You can also download the GCC toolchain right to the phone so you don't have to use another computer for development (Thanks, Apple, for crippling a device that is a full-fledged Unix). However, if the OS is V3.1 or higher, libgpod can't put music on it. You can get files from the device, but not music or pictures due to Apple's proprietary database format and hashing scheme. Jobs wants you to use iTunes or go elsewhere. Thanks, Steve, your narrow-mindedness knows no bounds. > > Had I not been given this device, I would have quit a long time ago. > > Frankly, I wouldn't advise wasting your money on the purchase of an > iPod. I agree with the previous post...it is far too much of a vendor > lock-in device, which is really too bad. > > My 2 cents...devalued of course for inflation. > > Andy > > - -- > Andy Stewart (KB1OIQ) > Founder: Worcester Linux Users' Group > Founder: Chelmsford Linux Meetup Group > President: PART of Westford, MA (WB1GOF) > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > > iD8DBQFLzgpJOjiraCaOTOoRAmTUAJ474Vegvu07ln1ixbHMeCsKuynvdgCeO8er > kirThTU4qx6JoVN+e8cjOQ4= > =ioIO > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

April 20, 2010

Re: [Wlug] iPhone

by Frank Sweetser

I was going to write a real response to this thread extolling the (relative) virtues of android, a platform which, while often locked down by the carriers selling the phones, such as Verizon stripping out the native tethering feature, has the advantage of starting off as an open platform - and if you really want one, you can buy a nexus at full price with no carrier contract at all. I intended to talk about things like how android being open source has allowed for K-9, a client of the native email client with tons of improvements, or how with a simple "I know what I'm doing" settings change you can trivially install apps off of any arbitrary web site, removing the app store as an ultimate arbiter of what you can run on your phone. But then, Saint Steve summed it all up in this beautiful quote, taken here from http://news.cnet.com/8301-17852_3-20002922-71.html "Folks who want porn can buy and (sic) Android phone." I really couldn't have said it better myself. -- Frank Sweetser fs at wpi.edu | For every problem, there is a solution that WPI Senior Network Engineer | is simple, elegant, and wrong. - HL Mencken GPG fingerprint = 6174 1257 129E 0D21 D8D4 E8A3 8E39 29E3 E2E8 8CEC

April 20, 2010

Re: [Wlug] iPhone

by Andy Stewart

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Jorden M wrote: > The iPhone is still far too much of a vendor-lockin device. Apple > increases their constriction on free development more with every > release. > > Which is sad, because with an open hw/sw stack, it would be amazing. HI all, I was recently given an iPod touch, which is similar (as I understand it) to the iPhone. Upon opening the box, I noticed immediately that the device is a brick. It won't do anything until it is connected to Windoze or Mac and has iTunes loaded. Vendor lock #1. OK, so my sister has a Windoze box and we un-bricked the device. Now it functions. My attempt to load FREE (as in zero cost) applications from the Apple Apps Store illustrates Vendor Lock #2. I had to apply for an account, even to download free applications. The tool refused to authenticate my account (I did not give my credit card number), so now I cannot download the zero cost applications. Go figure. I am in the process of trying to "jailbreak" the device...that is, run software which removes some of the silly restrictions. The software which runs on Linux to do this is outdated for my iPod OS version (3.1.2), so its back to the Windoze machine. Vendor lock #3. This step is in progress. Once I do this, I believe I can connect to Cydia and download truly free applications. Had I not been given this device, I would have quit a long time ago. Frankly, I wouldn't advise wasting your money on the purchase of an iPod. I agree with the previous post...it is far too much of a vendor lock-in device, which is really too bad. My 2 cents...devalued of course for inflation. Andy - -- Andy Stewart (KB1OIQ) Founder: Worcester Linux Users' Group Founder: Chelmsford Linux Meetup Group President: PART of Westford, MA (WB1GOF) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFLzgpJOjiraCaOTOoRAmTUAJ474Vegvu07ln1ixbHMeCsKuynvdgCeO8er kirThTU4qx6JoVN+e8cjOQ4= =ioIO -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

April 20, 2010

Re: [Wlug] iPhone

by Jorden M

The iPhone is still far too much of a vendor-lockin device. Apple increases their constriction on free development more with every release. Which is sad, because with an open hw/sw stack, it would be amazing. On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 9:44 AM, Spyrek <kpoisant(a)gmail.com> wrote: > There is much development between Linux and the iPhone, is anyone else interested in this? > > On Apr 20, 2010, at 8:57 AM, wlug-request(a)mail.wlug.org wrote: > >> Send Wlug mailing list submissions to >> wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> wlug-request(a)mail.wlug.org >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> wlug-owner(a)mail.wlug.org >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >> than "Re: Contents of Wlug digest..." >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. Re: Help finding decent headset? (E Johnson) >> 2. Re: Help finding decent headset? (soup) >> 3. Re: Help finding decent headset? (E Johnson) >> 4. Re: Help finding decent headset? (Richard Klein) >> 5. Re: Help finding decent headset? (Randall Mason) >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2010 18:57:38 -0400 >>From: E Johnson <iris.gates(a)gmail.com> >> Subject: Re: [Wlug] Help finding decent headset? >> To: Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> >> Message-ID: >> <v2s70541d1e1004191557s40964f0cu20164ded771620e(a)mail.gmail.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >> >> Wow, amazing. >> >> Bose is way too high-cost. >> >> Some of these headsets have an input impedence of over 100 ohms --I recall >> having one like this which did not work. >> >> Plantronics does not show input impedence on their website. In fact tech >> sheets there are impossible to find, even with the correct part number / >> product description. Nor do their "technical representatives" have this >> available. A nice girl there will have an engineer!!! look this up & tell >> her, then she promises to e-mail me with this arcane but necessary data. >> >> I had been hoping someone here would be able to say "I have this unit, it >> works great for the purpose you specified", but it appears I'm in for a long >> stalk and not a quick ambush. >> >> So if I find whatever I'm hunting I'll be back with details. >> >> Thanks again, >> Liz >> >> On 19 April 2010 17:01, Jorden M <jrm8005(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Bose is generally regarded as having superior audio-quality. Maybe out >>> of your price range, though. >>> >>> On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 4:31 PM, E Johnson <iris.gates(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>> Do not have Bluetooth here; do not want. >>>> >>>> I make VoIP calls through the computer (not a telephone handest). The >>>> headset must not hiss, must transmit voice clearly without chopping, >>> needs >>>> to be able to send/receive some depth of sound in order to hear voice >>>> nuances. Don't need huge booming bass, just normal voice. >>>> >>>> Would like something that uses the pair of 3.5 mm jacks. Would like >>> analog >>>> sound rather than digitally-processed. Sound is already >>> digitally-processed >>>> as it moves through the sound card and sent out in packets. >>>> >>>> Someone asked for reviews here. Can't do really --some of these headsets >>>> are long-gone; the ones remaining are in the reject bin, but not labelled >>> as >>>> to the reason. At least three sets have bee given away to friends to use >>> for >>>> emergency backup in case theirs fails. >>>> >>>> One Logitech headset for VoIP (an inexpensive, behind-the-head model) was >>>> very painful above the ears. Most of the supra-aural sets are like >>> wearing >>>> little wooden blocks over the ears, lightly padded with thin foam. Two I >>>> have had to pad out under the foam phone covers. The units with >>>> pseudo-leather or pseudo-velvet phone covers seem to be padded a little >>>> better. >>>> >>>> Most of these headsets are too big (slip off) yet conversely the same >>>> headset might be too tight on the ears. >>>> >>>> Believe it or not, the best headset I ever had was the Cyber Acoustics >>>> Neckband Style Stereo Headset/Microphone AC-634, which used to cost about >>>> $11 and now costs about $14. It's too big for my head in back, though. >>> These >>>> seem to last about 6 months to a year before one of the phone or mic >>> wires >>>> breaks. owned several of those. gave up because I thought it would be >>> nice >>>> to rest my neck against the headrest here, without pushing the headset >>>> forward off my ears. One needs a large head.think neck for these to fit >>>> well, perhaps. >>>> >>>> Logitech now offers a behind-the-neck headset with a sofe(er) >>> silicone-lined >>>> headband, that people seem to like. But the review I find for this one >>> seem >>>> mainly to have been written by gamers. They have totally different >>>> requirements than VoIP users. Also, this thing is a little expensive for >>>> what it appears to be... unless it really does produce very good sound. >>> Has >>>> anyone used this one?? >>>> >>>> Although my question here may be another of my famous unanswerable >>>> questions, thanks again, >>>> Liz J >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On 19 April 2010 14:50, Randall Mason <clashthebunny(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I would probably convert to Bluetooth, but that's up to you. What are >>>>> your requirements? Does it need to just need to get audio both ways >>>>> from your face to your computer, or is it a wired handset, like your >>>>> phone? I had a boss that had a Platronics Bluetooth phone headset >>>>> (Bluetooth base station plugs into a handset jack, and the rest is >>>>> wireless to your ear), and he really liked it. I've also liked many >>>>> of my Bluetooth headsets from Platronics. >>>>> >>>>> Randall Mason >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Sun, Apr 18, 2010 at 12:39 PM, E Johnson <iris.gates(a)gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>>>>> Going nuts here trying to find a headset I can use for long periods of >>>>>> time >>>>>> in VoIP. Last thing I bought was comfortable and worked OOB, but had >>>>>> very >>>>>> fuzzy sound in and out. >>>>>> >>>>>> I've been using headsets with 3.5 mm jacks, but never found a hedset >>>>>> that >>>>>> was both comfortable and had decent mic output plus phones input. What >>>>>> to >>>>>> get? >>>>>> >>>>>> VoIP needs are apparently very different than gaming needs... headsets >>>>>> that >>>>>> gamers like might not be the greatest for VoIP. VoIP headsets seem to >>> be >>>>>> expensive for the build and/or quality. >>>>>> >>>>>> I don't need fabulous quality for playing music (don't listen to music >>>>>> or >>>>>> watch movies), but VoIP must sound good on my end and on my contact's >>>>>> side >>>>>> too. >>>>>> >>>>>> ALSA is working well here, want to keep it, but if anyone can provide >>>>>> clear >>>>>> direction on other options that do succesfully work with a >>>>>> non-zillion-dollar headset, I would dearly appreciate some >>> consultation. >>>>>> >>>>>> Does anyone have experience with USB or 3.5 mm headsets in (hopefully) >>>>>> Debian or Ubuntu? >>>>>> >>>>>> TIA, >>>>>> Liz J >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Wlug mailing list >>>>>> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >>>>>> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Wlug mailing list >>>>> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >>>>> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Wlug mailing list >>>> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >>>> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >>>> >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wlug mailing list >>> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >>> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >>> >>

April 20, 2010

iPhone

by Spyrek

There is much development between Linux and the iPhone, is anyone else interested in this? On Apr 20, 2010, at 8:57 AM, wlug-request(a)mail.wlug.org wrote: > Send Wlug mailing list submissions to > wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > wlug-request(a)mail.wlug.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > wlug-owner(a)mail.wlug.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Wlug digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Help finding decent headset? (E Johnson) > 2. Re: Help finding decent headset? (soup) > 3. Re: Help finding decent headset? (E Johnson) > 4. Re: Help finding decent headset? (Richard Klein) > 5. Re: Help finding decent headset? (Randall Mason) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2010 18:57:38 -0400 >From: E Johnson <iris.gates(a)gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [Wlug] Help finding decent headset? > To: Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> > Message-ID: > <v2s70541d1e1004191557s40964f0cu20164ded771620e(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Wow, amazing. > > Bose is way too high-cost. > > Some of these headsets have an input impedence of over 100 ohms --I recall > having one like this which did not work. > > Plantronics does not show input impedence on their website. In fact tech > sheets there are impossible to find, even with the correct part number / > product description. Nor do their "technical representatives" have this > available. A nice girl there will have an engineer!!! look this up & tell > her, then she promises to e-mail me with this arcane but necessary data. > > I had been hoping someone here would be able to say "I have this unit, it > works great for the purpose you specified", but it appears I'm in for a long > stalk and not a quick ambush. > > So if I find whatever I'm hunting I'll be back with details. > > Thanks again, > Liz > > On 19 April 2010 17:01, Jorden M <jrm8005(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> Bose is generally regarded as having superior audio-quality. Maybe out >> of your price range, though. >> >> On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 4:31 PM, E Johnson <iris.gates(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> Do not have Bluetooth here; do not want. >>> >>> I make VoIP calls through the computer (not a telephone handest). The >>> headset must not hiss, must transmit voice clearly without chopping, >> needs >>> to be able to send/receive some depth of sound in order to hear voice >>> nuances. Don't need huge booming bass, just normal voice. >>> >>> Would like something that uses the pair of 3.5 mm jacks. Would like >> analog >>> sound rather than digitally-processed. Sound is already >> digitally-processed >>> as it moves through the sound card and sent out in packets. >>> >>> Someone asked for reviews here. Can't do really --some of these headsets >>> are long-gone; the ones remaining are in the reject bin, but not labelled >> as >>> to the reason. At least three sets have bee given away to friends to use >> for >>> emergency backup in case theirs fails. >>> >>> One Logitech headset for VoIP (an inexpensive, behind-the-head model) was >>> very painful above the ears. Most of the supra-aural sets are like >> wearing >>> little wooden blocks over the ears, lightly padded with thin foam. Two I >>> have had to pad out under the foam phone covers. The units with >>> pseudo-leather or pseudo-velvet phone covers seem to be padded a little >>> better. >>> >>> Most of these headsets are too big (slip off) yet conversely the same >>> headset might be too tight on the ears. >>> >>> Believe it or not, the best headset I ever had was the Cyber Acoustics >>> Neckband Style Stereo Headset/Microphone AC-634, which used to cost about >>> $11 and now costs about $14. It's too big for my head in back, though. >> These >>> seem to last about 6 months to a year before one of the phone or mic >> wires >>> breaks. owned several of those. gave up because I thought it would be >> nice >>> to rest my neck against the headrest here, without pushing the headset >>> forward off my ears. One needs a large head.think neck for these to fit >>> well, perhaps. >>> >>> Logitech now offers a behind-the-neck headset with a sofe(er) >> silicone-lined >>> headband, that people seem to like. But the review I find for this one >> seem >>> mainly to have been written by gamers. They have totally different >>> requirements than VoIP users. Also, this thing is a little expensive for >>> what it appears to be... unless it really does produce very good sound. >> Has >>> anyone used this one?? >>> >>> Although my question here may be another of my famous unanswerable >>> questions, thanks again, >>> Liz J >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On 19 April 2010 14:50, Randall Mason <clashthebunny(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> I would probably convert to Bluetooth, but that's up to you. What are >>>> your requirements? Does it need to just need to get audio both ways >>>> from your face to your computer, or is it a wired handset, like your >>>> phone? I had a boss that had a Platronics Bluetooth phone headset >>>> (Bluetooth base station plugs into a handset jack, and the rest is >>>> wireless to your ear), and he really liked it. I've also liked many >>>> of my Bluetooth headsets from Platronics. >>>> >>>> Randall Mason >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sun, Apr 18, 2010 at 12:39 PM, E Johnson <iris.gates(a)gmail.com> >> wrote: >>>>> Going nuts here trying to find a headset I can use for long periods of >>>>> time >>>>> in VoIP. Last thing I bought was comfortable and worked OOB, but had >>>>> very >>>>> fuzzy sound in and out. >>>>> >>>>> I've been using headsets with 3.5 mm jacks, but never found a hedset >>>>> that >>>>> was both comfortable and had decent mic output plus phones input. What >>>>> to >>>>> get? >>>>> >>>>> VoIP needs are apparently very different than gaming needs... headsets >>>>> that >>>>> gamers like might not be the greatest for VoIP. VoIP headsets seem to >> be >>>>> expensive for the build and/or quality. >>>>> >>>>> I don't need fabulous quality for playing music (don't listen to music >>>>> or >>>>> watch movies), but VoIP must sound good on my end and on my contact's >>>>> side >>>>> too. >>>>> >>>>> ALSA is working well here, want to keep it, but if anyone can provide >>>>> clear >>>>> direction on other options that do succesfully work with a >>>>> non-zillion-dollar headset, I would dearly appreciate some >> consultation. >>>>> >>>>> Does anyone have experience with USB or 3.5 mm headsets in (hopefully) >>>>> Debian or Ubuntu? >>>>> >>>>> TIA, >>>>> Liz J >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Wlug mailing list >>>>> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >>>>> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >>>>> >>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Wlug mailing list >>>> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >>>> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wlug mailing list >>> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >>> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wlug mailing list >> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >> >

April 20, 2010

Re: [Wlug] Help finding decent headset?

by Randall Mason

My wife and I did long distance for 7 months before we were married. We talked ~2.5 hours a day. I used a pair of headphones and an external microphone. It was very good quality, but you have to look in the same direction all the time. Probably shouldn't be a problem, because you would be tied to a location anyhow, but it gets MUCH better audio than any other microphone setup that I've tried. Also, you don't have the extra weight of the microphone on your ears, so it's easier on the whole head. Randall Mason On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 4:31 PM, E Johnson <iris.gates(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Do not have Bluetooth here; do not want. > > I make VoIP calls through the computer (not a telephone handest). The > headset must not hiss, must transmit voice clearly without chopping, needs > to be able to send/receive some depth of sound in order to hear voice > nuances. Don't need huge booming bass, just normal voice. > > Would like something that uses the pair of 3.5 mm jacks. Would like analog > sound rather than digitally-processed. Sound is already digitally-processed > as it moves through the sound card and sent out in packets. > > Someone asked for reviews here. Can't do really --some of these headsets > are long-gone; the ones remaining are in the reject bin, but not labelled as > to the reason. At least three sets have bee given away to friends to use for > emergency backup in case theirs fails. > > One Logitech headset for VoIP (an inexpensive, behind-the-head model) was > very painful above the ears. Most of the supra-aural sets are like wearing > little wooden blocks over the ears, lightly padded with thin foam. Two I > have had to pad out under the foam phone covers. The units with > pseudo-leather or pseudo-velvet phone covers seem to be padded a little > better. > > Most of these headsets are too big (slip off) yet conversely the same > headset might be too tight on the ears. > > Believe it or not, the best headset I ever had was the Cyber Acoustics > Neckband Style Stereo Headset/Microphone AC-634, which used to cost about > $11 and now costs about $14. It's too big for my head in back, though. These > seem to last about 6 months to a year before one of the phone or mic wires > breaks. owned several of those. gave up because I thought it would be nice > to rest my neck against the headrest here, without pushing the headset > forward off my ears. One needs a large head.think neck for these to fit > well, perhaps. > > Logitech now offers a behind-the-neck headset with a sofe(er) silicone-lined > headband, that people seem to like. But the review I find for this one seem > mainly to have been written by gamers. They have totally different > requirements than VoIP users. Also, this thing is a little expensive for > what it appears to be... unless it really does produce very good sound. Has > anyone used this one?? > > Although my question here may be another of my famous unanswerable > questions, thanks again, > Liz J > > > > > On 19 April 2010 14:50, Randall Mason <clashthebunny(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >> I would probably convert to Bluetooth, but that's up to you. What are >> your requirements? Does it need to just need to get audio both ways >> from your face to your computer, or is it a wired handset, like your >> phone? I had a boss that had a Platronics Bluetooth phone headset >> (Bluetooth base station plugs into a handset jack, and the rest is >> wireless to your ear), and he really liked it. I've also liked many >> of my Bluetooth headsets from Platronics. >> >> Randall Mason >> >> >> >> On Sun, Apr 18, 2010 at 12:39 PM, E Johnson <iris.gates(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> > Going nuts here trying to find a headset I can use for long periods of >> > time >> > in VoIP. Last thing I bought was comfortable and worked OOB, but had >> > very >> > fuzzy sound in and out. >> > >> > I've been using headsets with 3.5 mm jacks, but never found a hedset >> > that >> > was both comfortable and had decent mic output plus phones input. What >> > to >> > get? >> > >> > VoIP needs are apparently very different than gaming needs... headsets >> > that >> > gamers like might not be the greatest for VoIP. VoIP headsets seem to be >> > expensive for the build and/or quality. >> > >> > I don't need fabulous quality for playing music (don't listen to music >> > or >> > watch movies), but VoIP must sound good on my end and on my contact's >> > side >> > too. >> > >> > ALSA is working well here, want to keep it, but if anyone can provide >> > clear >> > direction on other options that do succesfully work with a >> > non-zillion-dollar headset, I would dearly appreciate some consultation. >> > >> > Does anyone have experience with USB or 3.5 mm headsets in (hopefully) >> > Debian or Ubuntu? >> > >> > TIA, >> > Liz J >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Wlug mailing list >> > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >> > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ >> Wlug mailing list >> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > >

April 20, 2010

Re: [Wlug] Help finding decent headset?

by Richard Klein

On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 6:57 PM, E Johnson <iris.gates(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > I had been hoping someone here would be able to say "I have this unit, it > works great for the purpose you specified", but it appears I'm in for a long > stalk and not a quick ambush. I've never been crazy about chatting or talking on the phone any more than necessary. My girlfriend, before I moved in with her, wanted to chat online, so I picked up the cheapest headset I could find. What I often ended up doing was placing the headset on the desk with the microphone facing me, and wearing my wireless circumaural Sony headphones. You might want to consider separate headphones and microphone. ecost.com often has cheap deals on refurbished wireless headphones. My Sony's aren't perfect, but they beat my previous RCA set by a mile. -- Rich

April 20, 2010

Re: [Wlug] Help finding decent headset?

by E Johnson

I think I will try the Altec Lansing AHS302USB headset. Was able to find a detailed review that makes this unit look reasonable http://www.legitreviews.com/article/314/1/ Thanks again, Liz

April 20, 2010

Re: [Wlug] Help finding decent headset?

by soup

I've got a Logitech set that's very good. The mic is clear and the phones are OK. They're not exactly sennheissers with regards to comfort, but I can wear them for a few hours before taking a break. It was $20 at target, iirc. No clue what the model number was. It's also got mic on/off and volume on the cord. Good luck, soup

April 19, 2010

Re: [Wlug] Help finding decent headset?

by E Johnson

Wow, amazing. Bose is way too high-cost. Some of these headsets have an input impedence of over 100 ohms --I recall having one like this which did not work. Plantronics does not show input impedence on their website. In fact tech sheets there are impossible to find, even with the correct part number / product description. Nor do their "technical representatives" have this available. A nice girl there will have an engineer!!! look this up & tell her, then she promises to e-mail me with this arcane but necessary data. I had been hoping someone here would be able to say "I have this unit, it works great for the purpose you specified", but it appears I'm in for a long stalk and not a quick ambush. So if I find whatever I'm hunting I'll be back with details. Thanks again, Liz On 19 April 2010 17:01, Jorden M <jrm8005(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Bose is generally regarded as having superior audio-quality. Maybe out > of your price range, though. > > On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 4:31 PM, E Johnson <iris.gates(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > Do not have Bluetooth here; do not want. > > > > I make VoIP calls through the computer (not a telephone handest). The > > headset must not hiss, must transmit voice clearly without chopping, > needs > > to be able to send/receive some depth of sound in order to hear voice > > nuances. Don't need huge booming bass, just normal voice. > > > > Would like something that uses the pair of 3.5 mm jacks. Would like > analog > > sound rather than digitally-processed. Sound is already > digitally-processed > > as it moves through the sound card and sent out in packets. > > > > Someone asked for reviews here. Can't do really --some of these headsets > > are long-gone; the ones remaining are in the reject bin, but not labelled > as > > to the reason. At least three sets have bee given away to friends to use > for > > emergency backup in case theirs fails. > > > > One Logitech headset for VoIP (an inexpensive, behind-the-head model) was > > very painful above the ears. Most of the supra-aural sets are like > wearing > > little wooden blocks over the ears, lightly padded with thin foam. Two I > > have had to pad out under the foam phone covers. The units with > > pseudo-leather or pseudo-velvet phone covers seem to be padded a little > > better. > > > > Most of these headsets are too big (slip off) yet conversely the same > > headset might be too tight on the ears. > > > > Believe it or not, the best headset I ever had was the Cyber Acoustics > > Neckband Style Stereo Headset/Microphone AC-634, which used to cost about > > $11 and now costs about $14. It's too big for my head in back, though. > These > > seem to last about 6 months to a year before one of the phone or mic > wires > > breaks. owned several of those. gave up because I thought it would be > nice > > to rest my neck against the headrest here, without pushing the headset > > forward off my ears. One needs a large head.think neck for these to fit > > well, perhaps. > > > > Logitech now offers a behind-the-neck headset with a sofe(er) > silicone-lined > > headband, that people seem to like. But the review I find for this one > seem > > mainly to have been written by gamers. They have totally different > > requirements than VoIP users. Also, this thing is a little expensive for > > what it appears to be... unless it really does produce very good sound. > Has > > anyone used this one?? > > > > Although my question here may be another of my famous unanswerable > > questions, thanks again, > > Liz J > > > > > > > > > > On 19 April 2010 14:50, Randall Mason <clashthebunny(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> > >> I would probably convert to Bluetooth, but that's up to you. What are > >> your requirements? Does it need to just need to get audio both ways > >> from your face to your computer, or is it a wired handset, like your > >> phone? I had a boss that had a Platronics Bluetooth phone headset > >> (Bluetooth base station plugs into a handset jack, and the rest is > >> wireless to your ear), and he really liked it. I've also liked many > >> of my Bluetooth headsets from Platronics. > >> > >> Randall Mason > >> > >> > >> > >> On Sun, Apr 18, 2010 at 12:39 PM, E Johnson <iris.gates(a)gmail.com> > wrote: > >> > Going nuts here trying to find a headset I can use for long periods of > >> > time > >> > in VoIP. Last thing I bought was comfortable and worked OOB, but had > >> > very > >> > fuzzy sound in and out. > >> > > >> > I've been using headsets with 3.5 mm jacks, but never found a hedset > >> > that > >> > was both comfortable and had decent mic output plus phones input. What > >> > to > >> > get? > >> > > >> > VoIP needs are apparently very different than gaming needs... headsets > >> > that > >> > gamers like might not be the greatest for VoIP. VoIP headsets seem to > be > >> > expensive for the build and/or quality. > >> > > >> > I don't need fabulous quality for playing music (don't listen to music > >> > or > >> > watch movies), but VoIP must sound good on my end and on my contact's > >> > side > >> > too. > >> > > >> > ALSA is working well here, want to keep it, but if anyone can provide > >> > clear > >> > direction on other options that do succesfully work with a > >> > non-zillion-dollar headset, I would dearly appreciate some > consultation. > >> > > >> > Does anyone have experience with USB or 3.5 mm headsets in (hopefully) > >> > Debian or Ubuntu? > >> > > >> > TIA, > >> > Liz J > >> > > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> > Wlug mailing list > >> > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > >> > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > >> > > >> > > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Wlug mailing list > >> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > >> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wlug mailing list > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

April 19, 2010

Re: [Wlug] Help finding decent headset?

by Jorden M

Bose is generally regarded as having superior audio-quality. Maybe out of your price range, though. On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 4:31 PM, E Johnson <iris.gates(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Do not have Bluetooth here; do not want. > > I make VoIP calls through the computer (not a telephone handest). The > headset must not hiss, must transmit voice clearly without chopping, needs > to be able to send/receive some depth of sound in order to hear voice > nuances. Don't need huge booming bass, just normal voice. > > Would like something that uses the pair of 3.5 mm jacks. Would like analog > sound rather than digitally-processed. Sound is already digitally-processed > as it moves through the sound card and sent out in packets. > > Someone asked for reviews here. Can't do really --some of these headsets > are long-gone; the ones remaining are in the reject bin, but not labelled as > to the reason. At least three sets have bee given away to friends to use for > emergency backup in case theirs fails. > > One Logitech headset for VoIP (an inexpensive, behind-the-head model) was > very painful above the ears. Most of the supra-aural sets are like wearing > little wooden blocks over the ears, lightly padded with thin foam. Two I > have had to pad out under the foam phone covers. The units with > pseudo-leather or pseudo-velvet phone covers seem to be padded a little > better. > > Most of these headsets are too big (slip off) yet conversely the same > headset might be too tight on the ears. > > Believe it or not, the best headset I ever had was the Cyber Acoustics > Neckband Style Stereo Headset/Microphone AC-634, which used to cost about > $11 and now costs about $14. It's too big for my head in back, though. These > seem to last about 6 months to a year before one of the phone or mic wires > breaks. owned several of those. gave up because I thought it would be nice > to rest my neck against the headrest here, without pushing the headset > forward off my ears. One needs a large head.think neck for these to fit > well, perhaps. > > Logitech now offers a behind-the-neck headset with a sofe(er) silicone-lined > headband, that people seem to like. But the review I find for this one seem > mainly to have been written by gamers. They have totally different > requirements than VoIP users. Also, this thing is a little expensive for > what it appears to be... unless it really does produce very good sound. Has > anyone used this one?? > > Although my question here may be another of my famous unanswerable > questions, thanks again, > Liz J > > > > > On 19 April 2010 14:50, Randall Mason <clashthebunny(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >> I would probably convert to Bluetooth, but that's up to you. What are >> your requirements? Does it need to just need to get audio both ways >> from your face to your computer, or is it a wired handset, like your >> phone? I had a boss that had a Platronics Bluetooth phone headset >> (Bluetooth base station plugs into a handset jack, and the rest is >> wireless to your ear), and he really liked it. I've also liked many >> of my Bluetooth headsets from Platronics. >> >> Randall Mason >> >> >> >> On Sun, Apr 18, 2010 at 12:39 PM, E Johnson <iris.gates(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> > Going nuts here trying to find a headset I can use for long periods of >> > time >> > in VoIP. Last thing I bought was comfortable and worked OOB, but had >> > very >> > fuzzy sound in and out. >> > >> > I've been using headsets with 3.5 mm jacks, but never found a hedset >> > that >> > was both comfortable and had decent mic output plus phones input. What >> > to >> > get? >> > >> > VoIP needs are apparently very different than gaming needs... headsets >> > that >> > gamers like might not be the greatest for VoIP. VoIP headsets seem to be >> > expensive for the build and/or quality. >> > >> > I don't need fabulous quality for playing music (don't listen to music >> > or >> > watch movies), but VoIP must sound good on my end and on my contact's >> > side >> > too. >> > >> > ALSA is working well here, want to keep it, but if anyone can provide >> > clear >> > direction on other options that do succesfully work with a >> > non-zillion-dollar headset, I would dearly appreciate some consultation. >> > >> > Does anyone have experience with USB or 3.5 mm headsets in (hopefully) >> > Debian or Ubuntu? >> > >> > TIA, >> > Liz J >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Wlug mailing list >> > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >> > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ >> Wlug mailing list >> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > >

April 19, 2010

Re: [Wlug] Help finding decent headset?

by E Johnson

Do not have Bluetooth here; do not want. I make VoIP calls through the computer (not a telephone handest). The headset must not hiss, must transmit voice clearly without chopping, needs to be able to send/receive some depth of sound in order to hear voice nuances. Don't need huge booming bass, just normal voice. Would like something that uses the pair of 3.5 mm jacks. Would like analog sound rather than digitally-processed. Sound is already digitally-processed as it moves through the sound card and sent out in packets. Someone asked for reviews here. Can't do really --some of these headsets are long-gone; the ones remaining are in the reject bin, but not labelled as to the reason. At least three sets have bee given away to friends to use for emergency backup in case theirs fails. One Logitech headset for VoIP (an inexpensive, behind-the-head model) was very painful above the ears. Most of the supra-aural sets are like wearing little wooden blocks over the ears, lightly padded with thin foam. Two I have had to pad out under the foam phone covers. The units with pseudo-leather or pseudo-velvet phone covers seem to be padded a little better. Most of these headsets are too big (slip off) yet conversely the same headset might be too tight on the ears. Believe it or not, the best headset I ever had was the Cyber Acoustics Neckband Style Stereo Headset/Microphone AC-634, which used to cost about $11 and now costs about $14. It's too big for my head in back, though. These seem to last about 6 months to a year before one of the phone or mic wires breaks. owned several of those. gave up because I thought it would be nice to rest my neck against the headrest here, without pushing the headset forward off my ears. One needs a large head.think neck for these to fit well, perhaps. Logitech now offers a behind-the-neck headset with a sofe(er) silicone-lined headband, that people seem to like. But the review I find for this one seem mainly to have been written by gamers. They have totally different requirements than VoIP users. Also, this thing is a little expensive for what it appears to be... unless it really does produce very good sound. Has anyone used this one?? Although my question here may be another of my famous unanswerable questions, thanks again, Liz J On 19 April 2010 14:50, Randall Mason <clashthebunny(a)gmail.com> wrote: > I would probably convert to Bluetooth, but that's up to you. What are > your requirements? Does it need to just need to get audio both ways > from your face to your computer, or is it a wired handset, like your > phone? I had a boss that had a Platronics Bluetooth phone headset > (Bluetooth base station plugs into a handset jack, and the rest is > wireless to your ear), and he really liked it. I've also liked many > of my Bluetooth headsets from Platronics. > > Randall Mason > > > > On Sun, Apr 18, 2010 at 12:39 PM, E Johnson <iris.gates(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > Going nuts here trying to find a headset I can use for long periods of > time > > in VoIP. Last thing I bought was comfortable and worked OOB, but had very > > fuzzy sound in and out. > > > > I've been using headsets with 3.5 mm jacks, but never found a hedset that > > was both comfortable and had decent mic output plus phones input. What to > > get? > > > > VoIP needs are apparently very different than gaming needs... headsets > that > > gamers like might not be the greatest for VoIP. VoIP headsets seem to be > > expensive for the build and/or quality. > > > > I don't need fabulous quality for playing music (don't listen to music or > > watch movies), but VoIP must sound good on my end and on my contact's > side > > too. > > > > ALSA is working well here, want to keep it, but if anyone can provide > clear > > direction on other options that do succesfully work with a > > non-zillion-dollar headset, I would dearly appreciate some consultation. > > > > Does anyone have experience with USB or 3.5 mm headsets in (hopefully) > > Debian or Ubuntu? > > > > TIA, > > Liz J > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wlug mailing list > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

April 19, 2010

Re: [Wlug] Help finding decent headset?

by Randall Mason

On an earlier version of Ubuntu, I couldn't stop making my phone use my computer from being my "headset". I had to unpair everything. That was a while ago though, and I think things work better now. Can anybody else confirm or deny that Linux somehow broke audio? Also, I have an N900, and it's all bluez. I use a bluetooth headset all the time. It's had some good integration efforts from Nokia, but it's just regular Gnome libraries behind it. Randall Mason On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 2:57 PM, Jorden M <jrm8005(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 2:50 PM, Randall Mason <clashthebunny(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> I would probably convert to Bluetooth, but that's up to you. What are > > I thought Bluetooth audio on Linux was still too much of an adventure > to be worth it. > >> your requirements? Does it need to just need to get audio both ways >> from your face to your computer, or is it a wired handset, like your >> phone? I had a boss that had a Platronics Bluetooth phone headset >> (Bluetooth base station plugs into a handset jack, and the rest is >> wireless to your ear), and he really liked it. I've also liked many >> of my Bluetooth headsets from Platronics. >> >> Randall Mason >> >> >> >> On Sun, Apr 18, 2010 at 12:39 PM, E Johnson <iris.gates(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> Going nuts here trying to find a headset I can use for long periods of time >>> in VoIP. Last thing I bought was comfortable and worked OOB, but had very >>> fuzzy sound in and out. >>> >>> I've been using headsets with 3.5 mm jacks, but never found a hedset that >>> was both comfortable and had decent mic output plus phones input. What to >>> get? >>> >>> VoIP needs are apparently very different than gaming needs... headsets that >>> gamers like might not be the greatest for VoIP. VoIP headsets seem to be >>> expensive for the build and/or quality. >>> >>> I don't need fabulous quality for playing music (don't listen to music or >>> watch movies), but VoIP must sound good on my end and on my contact's side >>> too. >>> >>> ALSA is working well here, want to keep it, but if anyone can provide clear >>> direction on other options that do succesfully work with a >>> non-zillion-dollar headset, I would dearly appreciate some consultation. >>> >>> Does anyone have experience with USB or 3.5 mm headsets in (hopefully) >>> Debian or Ubuntu? >>> >>> TIA, >>> Liz J >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wlug mailing list >>> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >>> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wlug mailing list >> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >> > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

April 19, 2010

Re: [Wlug] Help finding decent headset?

by Jorden M

On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 2:50 PM, Randall Mason <clashthebunny(a)gmail.com> wrote: > I would probably convert to Bluetooth, but that's up to you. What are I thought Bluetooth audio on Linux was still too much of an adventure to be worth it. > your requirements? Does it need to just need to get audio both ways > from your face to your computer, or is it a wired handset, like your > phone? I had a boss that had a Platronics Bluetooth phone headset > (Bluetooth base station plugs into a handset jack, and the rest is > wireless to your ear), and he really liked it. I've also liked many > of my Bluetooth headsets from Platronics. > > Randall Mason > > > > On Sun, Apr 18, 2010 at 12:39 PM, E Johnson <iris.gates(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> Going nuts here trying to find a headset I can use for long periods of time >> in VoIP. Last thing I bought was comfortable and worked OOB, but had very >> fuzzy sound in and out. >> >> I've been using headsets with 3.5 mm jacks, but never found a hedset that >> was both comfortable and had decent mic output plus phones input. What to >> get? >> >> VoIP needs are apparently very different than gaming needs... headsets that >> gamers like might not be the greatest for VoIP. VoIP headsets seem to be >> expensive for the build and/or quality. >> >> I don't need fabulous quality for playing music (don't listen to music or >> watch movies), but VoIP must sound good on my end and on my contact's side >> too. >> >> ALSA is working well here, want to keep it, but if anyone can provide clear >> direction on other options that do succesfully work with a >> non-zillion-dollar headset, I would dearly appreciate some consultation. >> >> Does anyone have experience with USB or 3.5 mm headsets in (hopefully) >> Debian or Ubuntu? >> >> TIA, >> Liz J >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wlug mailing list >> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >> >> > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

April 19, 2010

Re: [Wlug] Help finding decent headset?

by Randall Mason

I would probably convert to Bluetooth, but that's up to you. What are your requirements? Does it need to just need to get audio both ways from your face to your computer, or is it a wired handset, like your phone? I had a boss that had a Platronics Bluetooth phone headset (Bluetooth base station plugs into a handset jack, and the rest is wireless to your ear), and he really liked it. I've also liked many of my Bluetooth headsets from Platronics. Randall Mason On Sun, Apr 18, 2010 at 12:39 PM, E Johnson <iris.gates(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Going nuts here trying to find a headset I can use for long periods of time > in VoIP. Last thing I bought was comfortable and worked OOB, but had very > fuzzy sound in and out. > > I've been using headsets with 3.5 mm jacks, but never found a hedset that > was both comfortable and had decent mic output plus phones input. What to > get? > > VoIP needs are apparently very different than gaming needs... headsets that > gamers like might not be the greatest for VoIP. VoIP headsets seem to be > expensive for the build and/or quality. > > I don't need fabulous quality for playing music (don't listen to music or > watch movies), but VoIP must sound good on my end and on my contact's side > too. > > ALSA is working well here, want to keep it, but if anyone can provide clear > direction on other options that do succesfully work with a > non-zillion-dollar headset, I would dearly appreciate some consultation. > > Does anyone have experience with USB or 3.5 mm headsets in (hopefully) > Debian or Ubuntu? > > TIA, > Liz J > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > >

April 19, 2010

Re: [Wlug] Help finding decent headset?

by John Stoffel

Liz, Have you looked at the stuff Plantronics sells? They're fairly decent. I use a wireless headset at work hooked to a phone. Not sure if they have a plain headset though. Can you tell us which model(s) you've had bad experiences with, so we can steer clear of them as well? Thanks, John

April 19, 2010

Help finding decent headset?

by E Johnson

Going nuts here trying to find a headset I can use for long periods of time in VoIP. Last thing I bought was comfortable and worked OOB, but had very fuzzy sound in and out. I've been using headsets with 3.5 mm jacks, but never found a hedset that was both comfortable and had decent mic output plus phones input. What to get? VoIP needs are apparently very different than gaming needs... headsets that gamers like might not be the greatest for VoIP. VoIP headsets seem to be expensive for the build and/or quality. I don't need fabulous quality for playing music (don't listen to music or watch movies), but VoIP must sound good on my end and on my contact's side too. ALSA is working well here, want to keep it, but if anyone can provide clear direction on other options that do succesfully work with a non-zillion-dollar headset, I would dearly appreciate some consultation. Does anyone have experience with USB or 3.5 mm headsets in (hopefully) Debian or Ubuntu? TIA, Liz J

April 18, 2010

New President

by Andy Stewart

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 HI everybody, It is my pleasure to announce that Chuck Anderson was elected as the next WLUG President. Chuck has been a WLUG member since the very first meeting (July 1997) and has been very active for all of these years. Chuck hosts the WLUG website and has been getting us the meeting rooms. I'm sure that Chuck will do a fine job as WLUG's new president. Congratulations, Chuck! Andy - -- Andy Stewart (KB1OIQ) Founder: Worcester Linux Users' Group Founder: Chelmsford Linux Meetup Group President: PART of Westford, MA (WB1GOF) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFLxvXCOjiraCaOTOoRAuFhAJ4pCNu6IiwG4m/YJxjo5TQGBSh8hgCeO//T 9ytuswrp1cA/XhbP+sNCnwk= =PFSI -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

April 15, 2010

REMINDER: WLUG meeting WED evening, 7:00 PM

by Andy Stewart

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 - -- Andy Stewart (KB1OIQ) Founder: Worcester Linux Users' Group Founder: Chelmsford Linux Meetup Group President: PART of Westford, MA (WB1GOF) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFLxSwFOjiraCaOTOoRAgY9AJ48+m3FtDHzJFkYYXvZ+WDSOuxbSwCg4tOJ ZJq6U7xYepjyR10/dha1Jus= =kNxp -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

April 14, 2010

Upcoming meeting: April 14th (Wednesday)

by Andy Stewart

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 HI Everybody, This is an early announcement about our upcoming WLUG meeting, which is next week on Wednesday, April 14th, 2010, at 7:00 PM. I have been the acting president of WLUG since I founded the group back in July 1997. Due to increasing pressures on my personal time, I think it is time for me to step aside and let another person be the president of WLUG. I definitely have enjoyed the privilege of being the group president, and I plan to continue attending the group meetings. I think that our next meeting should include a detailed discussion of the future of WLUG, and sometime soon, an election of at least a president, and probably a treasurer. I am happy to continue acting as president until such an election occurs. I don't know if we really need a vice president and or a secretary, but those topics should definitely be part of the discussion. I think the group has been very successful due to all of you who come to the meetings, give presentations, etc. This announcement, and the election of a new president, will definitely change the group. I see this is an opportunity for the group to grow in different ways. There is no doubt that the group will be different. Whether it becomes better or worse is really up to all of us. I look forward, as always, to seeing you at the meeting *next* week on Wednesday, April 14th. Later, Andy - -- Andy Stewart (KB1OIQ) Founder: Worcester Linux Users' Group Founder: Chelmsford Linux Meetup Group President: PART of Westford, MA (WB1GOF) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFLuoNmOjiraCaOTOoRAun1AJ9Wz6jx4wvHKat9UUnOhrjcsIeZEgCglkUD x02mDM/AGIAGYPwAQ48qDUg= =iwnj -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

April 6, 2010

Re: [Wlug] How to manipulate audio (ALSA) a lot with a HD audio card?

by Gregory Avedissian

You might be looking for something like jackaudio or maybe pulseaudio. I know that Jack lets you connect things any way you want. Not sure about pulse. http://jackaudio.org/ The extra jack on your computer is probably a line in, for external sources, such as your stereo. You should be able to record input from that in Audacity without doing anything special. Recording digital input is another story, and I don't know that story. Greg Tatsh wrote: > Stupid Intel decided to build-in DRM into the spec of these things. I have a > Conexant which has Nvidia codec to provide audio for the HDMI output (this > works fine except that in alsa settings I have to force a default output > device, 3). > > What I'd like to do is be able to record from the stereo mixer, which I have > none in alsamixer. So how do I go about creating one? I've tried a few > different configs I found on-line but nothing seemed to work for me. > > WIth this capability of course I could record audio from my computer in say, > Audacity, or I could even broadcast audio through Skype. And the best part > would be if I could broadcast audio through Skype AND use my headset at the > same time (mixing the 2 into one channel input). I have 3 mic inputs > apparently (one of them is webcam, another is the jack, and I don't know what > the 3rd one is). > > Image of KMix: http://bitpic.net/image/kmix-nvidia-hd-audio-codec > > So far I know it's something I can do with ALSA settings where I can tell ALSA > to redirect audio and 'copy' whatever is going on on any input channel > (overriding the jack of course). No luck there yet. > > Any help appreciated > Thanks

April 2, 2010

Two Senior IT positions open at TripAdvisor in Newton (IT and Operations)

by Ryan Pugatch

Hi all, We have a couple of tech positions open at TripAdvisor. The first is for a "Principal Technical Operations Engineer" which is on our operations team, handling our livesite environment. The second, "IT Lead", is on our internal IT team. Below are the job postings. We're definitely looking for people with several years experience. If you are interested, please email me your resume. I am also glad to answer any questions. - Ryan (Systems Administrator @ TripAdvisor) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Principal Technical Operations Engineer Hundreds of servers. Thousands of requests per second. Millions of users. Two admins (you could be number 3)! We are looking for a senior hands-on network (mostly Cisco) and systems (mostly Linux) administrator. You will have several years of prior experience in the operation of one or more of the following: High traffic web application OR Software as a service OR Internet/Network Service Provider TripAdvisor is the top site for travel advice and reviews on the Internet. It is very profitable. It's also a fun place to work where "speed wins" is the operating principle. We move fast. We are flexible and we take risks. An open mind and ideas are always welcome. Dogmatism and inflexibility not so much. You will play a lead role in the design and operation of the network, server, and datacenter infrastructure beneath TripAdvisor's applications. The environment currently spans 3 datacenters, and that is likely to increase. You will work closely with the software engineering team to support product changes and enhance their performance, scalability, reliability, and security. We are small team. You will be expected to work on a project or task from end to end with a comfort level running projects and implementing the details. One day you might be working with our ISPs to transition from static routing to BGP, and the next day you are racking and cabling switches. This morning you are kicking off a load balancer replacement project, and in the afternoon you are upgrading firewall firmware after you determine that we are exposed to a potential security vulnerability. This week you are putting together a comprehensive network monitoring system, and next week you are running tcpdump with a DBA to try and diagnose why database replication is "slow". You will have a thorough knowledge of enterprise networking including Cisco switching, routing, and security as well as TCP/IP internals. You will also preferably have a strong Linux or Unix background. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- IT Lead TripAdvisor is looking for an IT generalist who will provide leadership and mentoring to a team of 4 supporting the IT needs of roughly 350 employees worldwide. This role is part hands-on sysadmin and part team lead with the potential to grow into a team management role. TripAdvisor is the top site for travel advice and reviews on the Internet. It is very profitable. It's also a fun place to work where "speed wins" is the operating principle. We move fast. We are flexible and we take risks. An open mind and ideas are always welcome. Dogmatism and inflexibility not so much. We are not your typical Windows / Active Directory / Exchange shop. Desktops: 60% Windows 40% OSX. Our email/collaboration system is Zimbra running on Linux. Our phone system is Asterisk running on Linux. Instead of Active Directory, we use OpenLDAP. Our file/print servers run Samba. We tend to prefer open solutions that we can take off the shelf and adapt to our needs, but we are not wedded to a particular OS or vendor. To be successful in this role you will: Possess excellent interpersonal skills, patience, and a genuine desire to help people with their technology challenges Have strong troubleshooting skills and a diagnostic intuition Enjoy and excel at mentoring other talented team members to reach their full potential Be a self-starter. If you don't know how to do something you consider it a challenge to try to figure it out for yourself You will have demonstrated experience with: Linux systems administration Windows systems administration Samba OpenLDAP Postfix Server virtualization Scripting (perl, python, bash...) Duties and Responsibilities include: Operation of corporate networked applications and infrastructure (Zimbra, OpenLDAP, Samba, Asterisk) Overseeing backups of roughly 20+TB of data weekly Ensuring the security of TripAdvisor's corporate systems Procuring and deploying server hardware Tier 2/3 Helpdesk support Working with the Director of IT to develop IT strategy

April 2, 2010

Re: [Wlug] the website is in need of some love

by Tim Keller

Yeah, I agree the site needs an overhaul. However, what does the website need to minimally do? * - Meeting Information * - Mailing List sign up * - Past Meeting info * - IRC channel info We've kicked around the idea of a wiki, which I'd be totally cool with and I'd help maintain. My personal opinion is that between the IRC channel, Dr. Google and the mailing list, a forum is overkill. On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 3:02 PM, Chuck Anderson <cra(a)wpi.edu> wrote: > On Thu, Apr 01, 2010 at 09:20:44AM -0400, Jeff Moyer wrote: > > I'm not sure who maintains it, but it's in a very sad state at the > > moment. > > Congratulations! You've just been volunteered to enhance it! :-) > > But hey, at least it validates now. > > Seriously though, if anyone would like to help, feel free to email me. > There was a time when I was playing with Moin for a wiki site but that > fell by the wayside. I really need to rebuild the system that the web > server is running on, so I could deploy something new/better if there > was someone who would commit to helping maintain it. I just don't > have the time to do anything fancy, learn new web frameworks, etc. > > Alternatively, people could submit some designs, code, and content > that uses plain HTML/CSS and I could maintain that manually. > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

April 2, 2010

Re: [Wlug] How to manipulate audio (ALSA) a lot with a HD audio card?

by E Johnson

I can't answer these questions, but have a question about one idea in here. > WIth this capability of course I could record audio from my computer in say, Audacity, or I could even broadcast audio through Skype. I don't think broadcasting audio (would this be music??) through Skype would create the greatest audio, since Skype is so sensitive to packet loss & all. Each (small) packet has to be received at its destination in perfect order, and on-time. If one or more hops that your signal is taking is running slow (as it gets in Worcester in the evenings), then packets get lost and have to be resubmitted. Check your technical details next time you're in a skype convo, then do a traceroute on the IP of your skype contact --you can see this happening. If this is the case when you're sending recorded audio through it, you would be likely to suffer from chopped-up sound, which happens in skype a lot. So if you broadcast through skype and there's a lot of latency, or if your router is swamped because there's a lot of traffic inside of your network, then you would end up making square waves in the skype out of what probably started out as a perfectly nice audio signal. You could try to counteract that (I guess) by running some kind of QOS in your router, but even that itself slows the router down a little bit, as every packet has to be evaluated according to your QOS table. Just wondering. Liz J On 1 April 2010 10:14, Tatsh <ddrtist(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Stupid Intel decided to build-in DRM into the spec of these things. I have > a > Conexant which has Nvidia codec to provide audio for the HDMI output (this > works fine except that in alsa settings I have to force a default output > device, 3). > > What I'd like to do is be able to record from the stereo mixer, which I > have > none in alsamixer. So how do I go about creating one? I've tried a few > different configs I found on-line but nothing seemed to work for me. > > WIth this capability of course I could record audio from my computer in > say, > Audacity, or I could even broadcast audio through Skype. And the best part > would be if I could broadcast audio through Skype AND use my headset at the > same time (mixing the 2 into one channel input). I have 3 mic inputs > apparently (one of them is webcam, another is the jack, and I don't know > what > the 3rd one is). > > Image of KMix: http://bitpic.net/image/kmix-nvidia-hd-audio-codec > > So far I know it's something I can do with ALSA settings where I can tell > ALSA > to redirect audio and 'copy' whatever is going on on any input channel > (overriding the jack of course). No luck there yet. > > Any help appreciated > Thanks > -- > Tatsh > www.bitpic.net > www.tatsh.net > ddrtist(a)gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

April 2, 2010

Re: [Wlug] Use Drupal On The Web Site - Wlug Digest, Vol 78, Issue 1

by Steven Greenberg

I am all in favor of Jeff's suggestion. I first tested Drupal on my personal web site (http://www.ssgreenberg.name/Drupal/Drupal/) I then convinced my Square Dance Club to let me work with the Webmaster to convert that site to Drupal. We have had nothing but raves from the readers since we converted. http://www.hayloftsteppers.org/ When judging the site, remember, we are (or were) engineers, not artists. /Steve > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: > Re: [Wlug] the website is in need of some love > From: > Tatsh <ddrtist(a)gmail.com> > Date: > Thu, 1 Apr 2010 10:05:30 -0400 > To: > wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > To: > wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > > Would be cool to do it over in Drupal. > > NOT JOOMLA (should be called 'piece of crap please give up already!')! > > All you need is a blog post system (built-in) to write about events, and add > custom fields like time if you want, etc etc. From a design stand point, there > is no reason to use images for the textual links, especially obviously > compressed JPEGs. > > Late > > Jeff Moyer wrote: >> I'm not sure who maintains it, but it's in a very sad state at the >> moment. >> >> Cheers, >> Jeff -- Steven Greenberg Email: steve(a)ssgreenberg.name 251 Holland Rd. Phone: (774)241-0095 Fiskdale, Massachusetts 01518-1231 Web: http://www.ssgreenberg.name Other Email: s.greenberg(a)ieee.org ssg(a)alum.mit.edu

April 1, 2010

Re: [Wlug] the website is in need of some love

by Chuck Anderson

On Thu, Apr 01, 2010 at 09:20:44AM -0400, Jeff Moyer wrote: > I'm not sure who maintains it, but it's in a very sad state at the > moment. Congratulations! You've just been volunteered to enhance it! :-) But hey, at least it validates now. Seriously though, if anyone would like to help, feel free to email me. There was a time when I was playing with Moin for a wiki site but that fell by the wayside. I really need to rebuild the system that the web server is running on, so I could deploy something new/better if there was someone who would commit to helping maintain it. I just don't have the time to do anything fancy, learn new web frameworks, etc. Alternatively, people could submit some designs, code, and content that uses plain HTML/CSS and I could maintain that manually.

April 1, 2010

How to manipulate audio (ALSA) a lot with a HD audio card?

by Tatsh

Stupid Intel decided to build-in DRM into the spec of these things. I have a Conexant which has Nvidia codec to provide audio for the HDMI output (this works fine except that in alsa settings I have to force a default output device, 3). What I'd like to do is be able to record from the stereo mixer, which I have none in alsamixer. So how do I go about creating one? I've tried a few different configs I found on-line but nothing seemed to work for me. WIth this capability of course I could record audio from my computer in say, Audacity, or I could even broadcast audio through Skype. And the best part would be if I could broadcast audio through Skype AND use my headset at the same time (mixing the 2 into one channel input). I have 3 mic inputs apparently (one of them is webcam, another is the jack, and I don't know what the 3rd one is). Image of KMix: http://bitpic.net/image/kmix-nvidia-hd-audio-codec So far I know it's something I can do with ALSA settings where I can tell ALSA to redirect audio and 'copy' whatever is going on on any input channel (overriding the jack of course). No luck there yet. Any help appreciated Thanks -- Tatsh www.bitpic.net www.tatsh.net ddrtist(a)gmail.com

April 1, 2010

Re: [Wlug] the website is in need of some love

by Tatsh

Would be cool to do it over in Drupal. NOT JOOMLA (should be called 'piece of crap please give up already!')! All you need is a blog post system (built-in) to write about events, and add custom fields like time if you want, etc etc. From a design stand point, there is no reason to use images for the textual links, especially obviously compressed JPEGs. Late Jeff Moyer wrote: > I'm not sure who maintains it, but it's in a very sad state at the > moment. > > Cheers, > Jeff > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > -- Tatsh www.tatsh.net ddrtist(a)gmail.com

April 1, 2010

the website is in need of some love

by Jeff Moyer

I'm not sure who maintains it, but it's in a very sad state at the moment. Cheers, Jeff

April 1, 2010

Re: [Wlug] interesting article on RAID

by John Stoffel

Theo> Yeah, it's complicated by the fact that a lot of RAID systems Theo> will consider any I/O error to mean the entire device is bad. This is why Netapp has moved to their double-parity raid sets. It's a help, but not perfect. I'm going to read the article in a few and then comment in particular. Theo> ZFS does a particularly good job here, I've seen single raidz2 Theo> sets able to recover from having 4 simultaneously failing disks. Now that's interesting. How was performance during this issue? Theo> I've had other vendor's arrays start failing disks while Theo> reconstructing from a single failure. Thankfully it was only 1 Theo> additional failure on a 2 parity set. Still PITA. I once had a double disk failure in a Netapp. Ouch! This was before their double parity stuff was widely deployed. One disk died due to head problems, the other died due to the controller board on the disk dying. I managed to swap the good board from the bad hardware disk onto the good hardware, bad board disk, re-insert it and have the system come back up and rebuild. Big sigh of relief there for sure! Another thing I like about alot of newer raid implementations (including Linux RAID, assuming you use it) is the consistency checks or scrubbing that you can run, to hopefully catch errors before they become problems. Reading the disk(s) and checking blocks for consistency, and even re-writing them to make sure the data is good. John

March 12, 2010

Re: [Wlug] interesting article on RAID

by Theo Van Dinter

Yeah, it's complicated by the fact that a lot of RAID systems will consider any I/O error to mean the entire device is bad. ZFS does a particularly good job here, I've seen single raidz2 sets able to recover from having 4 simultaneously failing disks. I've had other vendor's arrays start failing disks while reconstructing from a single failure. Thankfully it was only 1 additional failure on a 2 parity set. Still PITA. On Thu, Mar 11, 2010 at 8:09 PM, Chuck Anderson <cra(a)wpi.edu> wrote: > Triple-Parity RAID and Beyond > by Adam Leventhal | December 17, 2009 > > http://queue.acm.org/detail.cfm?id=1670144 > > As hard-drive capacities continue to outpace their throughput, the > time has come for a new level of RAID.

March 12, 2010

interesting article on RAID

by Chuck Anderson

Triple-Parity RAID and Beyond by Adam Leventhal | December 17, 2009 http://queue.acm.org/detail.cfm?id=1670144 As hard-drive capacities continue to outpace their throughput, the time has come for a new level of RAID. -- - Chuck (372 Days until IPv4 depletion: http://ipv4depletion.com/)

March 12, 2010

Meeting: BtrFS: Now (Thurs March 11 7pm)

by Chuck Anderson

Frank is giving a talk on BtrFS right now. It seems the website wasn't updated (but is now). -- - Chuck (372 Days until IPv4 depletion: http://ipv4depletion.com/) On Mon, Feb 22, 2010 at 06:18:44AM -0500, Frank Sweetser wrote: > I've noticed that not too many people have putting in meeting topic requests, > so I thought that if anyone's interested I'd volunteer to throw together some > slides on BtrFS. > > For those of you who haven't heard of it, BtrFS is the next generation linux > filesystem. Though still in heavy development, it was included in the > mainstream kernel last year. It promises to scale to filesystems well beyond > what any of the current offerings can handle (including ext4), as well as > offering far greater flexibility and better data security for data admins. > > If you have anything else that you'd like to hear about, either instead of or > in addition to BtrFS, chime in, and hopefully someone else on the list will be > able to make it happen! > > -- > Frank Sweetser fs at wpi.edu | For every problem, there is a solution that > WPI Senior Network Engineer | is simple, elegant, and wrong. - HL Mencken > GPG fingerprint = 6174 1257 129E 0D21 D8D4 E8A3 8E39 29E3 E2E8 8CEC

March 12, 2010

Re: [Wlug] Meeting topics

by Jeff Moyer

"John Stoffel" <john(a)stoffel.org> writes: >>>>>> "Jeff" == Jeff Moyer <jmoyer(a)redhat.com> writes: > Jeff> I've seen many claims that SSDs are more reliable than > Jeff> traditional HDDs, but I haven't seen data to back up those > Jeff> claims. > > Some of the arguements I've read on SSD reliability are quite > interesting. If you do the math on how much data you need to write to > destroy an SSD with proper (note!) wear levelling, it's really quite > high. But I think the real key is to write data to them in blocks of > 512 bytes as much as possible, and to not write smaller amounts if at > all possible. Did you mean to say 512KB? You can't write smaller than the exported block size (which will be either 512 bytes or 4k). Perhaps what you meant to say was that you should try to issue writes that are aligned on and multiples of the erase block size. > Jeff> My main concern is that SSDs are still young, so they haven't > Jeff> had much soak time. Whether or not the flash is reliable is > Jeff> only a small part of the battle. Buggy firmware is a much more > Jeff> likely problem at this stage in the game. No single point of > Jeff> failure is a good design point when dealing with your data. ;-) > > I think this is a key issue, the firmware and controllers, not the > flash chips themselves. > > Jeff> I remain cautiously optimistic (though I've already bricked one > Jeff> drive). > > Details? During TRIM testing, we managed to get an OCZ Vertex to spew I/O errors, and then finally fail to be recognized by the BIOS upon reboot. Note that this isn't a normal workload (the drive is being pounded on) and TRIM is still very new. So, I am not saying that the drives are not reliable in general. I simply don't know. Cheers, Jeff

March 2, 2010

Re: [Wlug] Meeting topics

by John Stoffel

>>>>> "Jeff" == Jeff Moyer <jmoyer(a)redhat.com> writes: Jeff> Chuck Anderson <cra(a)WPI.EDU> writes: >> On Mon, Mar 01, 2010 at 04:46:44PM -0500, Jim Dibb wrote: >>> On Mon, Mar 1, 2010 at 4:21 PM, Chuck Anderson <cra(a)wpi.edu> wrote: >>>> I'm interested. I was considering using SSDs for my boot drive. Is >>>> RAID protection necessary/advisable using SSDs? >>> >>> SSDs have much higher reliability than HDD. >>> Mirroring is the only RAID level that does not impose a write penalty. >>> Mirroring SSDs is expensive >>> >>> Based on these 3 points, I'd say a backup is a much better solution than >>> RAID, unless you want to (R)AID-0 them into a stripe for even more insane >>> performance. >>> >>> But then again, you didn't state how important your uptime of your system >>> is. Sorry for leaving that bit out.... >> >> Uptime/availability isn't that important, but backups are since RAID >> *is* my backup (plus rsync to other RAIDed systems for the most >> important data). With traditional disk drives, it hasn't been too >> expensive to slap a 2nd system drive in for RAID 1/mirroring. SSDs >> are much more expensive, so if as you say they are more reliable, >> perhaps I can forgo the expense of doing RAID on them. Jeff> I've seen many claims that SSDs are more reliable than Jeff> traditional HDDs, but I haven't seen data to back up those Jeff> claims. Some of the arguements I've read on SSD reliability are quite interesting. If you do the math on how much data you need to write to destroy an SSD with proper (note!) wear levelling, it's really quite high. But I think the real key is to write data to them in blocks of 512 bytes as much as possible, and to not write smaller amounts if at all possible. Jeff> My main concern is that SSDs are still young, so they haven't Jeff> had much soak time. Whether or not the flash is reliable is Jeff> only a small part of the battle. Buggy firmware is a much more Jeff> likely problem at this stage in the game. No single point of Jeff> failure is a good design point when dealing with your data. ;-) I think this is a key issue, the firmware and controllers, not the flash chips themselves. Jeff> I remain cautiously optimistic (though I've already bricked one Jeff> drive). Details? John

March 2, 2010

Re: [Wlug] Meeting topics

by Jeff Moyer

Chuck Anderson <cra(a)WPI.EDU> writes: > On Mon, Mar 01, 2010 at 04:46:44PM -0500, Jim Dibb wrote: >> On Mon, Mar 1, 2010 at 4:21 PM, Chuck Anderson <cra(a)wpi.edu> wrote: >>> I'm interested. I was considering using SSDs for my boot drive. Is >>> RAID protection necessary/advisable using SSDs? >> >> SSDs have much higher reliability than HDD. >> Mirroring is the only RAID level that does not impose a write penalty. >> Mirroring SSDs is expensive >> >> Based on these 3 points, I'd say a backup is a much better solution than >> RAID, unless you want to (R)AID-0 them into a stripe for even more insane >> performance. >> >> But then again, you didn't state how important your uptime of your system >> is. Sorry for leaving that bit out.... > > Uptime/availability isn't that important, but backups are since RAID > *is* my backup (plus rsync to other RAIDed systems for the most > important data). With traditional disk drives, it hasn't been too > expensive to slap a 2nd system drive in for RAID 1/mirroring. SSDs > are much more expensive, so if as you say they are more reliable, > perhaps I can forgo the expense of doing RAID on them. I've seen many claims that SSDs are more reliable than traditional HDDs, but I haven't seen data to back up those claims. My main concern is that SSDs are still young, so they haven't had much soak time. Whether or not the flash is reliable is only a small part of the battle. Buggy firmware is a much more likely problem at this stage in the game. No single point of failure is a good design point when dealing with your data. ;-) I remain cautiously optimistic (though I've already bricked one drive). Cheers, Jeff

March 1, 2010

vmbuilder - Ubuntu Lucid?

by John Stoffel

Hi, Anyone else using vmbuilder with Ubuntu's 10.x Lucid Lynx (Alpha3, I know) and cursing the change in options that just happened recently? I've been playing around building VMs (based on Karmic) and tossing them away since it was so quick. Now that I've upgrade to a newer version of Lucid, it's all busted. Sigh... This would be a good talk too, about building and using VMs. Here's the script I whipped up to help automate things, which is now busted. Sigh... I realize I need to just look in the docs, but they a) suck and b) aren't easily found. Nor is any list of changes in the options listed nicely either. Grrr!!!! THanks, John #!/bin/sh # My own script for building and starting VMs more easily, based on # the instructions given at: # # http://www.howtoforge.com/virtualization-with-kvm-on-ubuntu-9.10 # # Version 0.1 - 12/29/2009 # if [ $# -ne 3 ]; then echo "Usage: $0 hostname ip username" echo " IP is last octet of the 192.168.1/24 subnet" echo exit fi euid=`id -u` if [ $euid -ne 0 ]; then echo "Error! Script must run with root privs. Try sudo $0 ...." echo exit fi hostname=$1 ip=$2 username=$3 vmbase="/var/vm" subnet="192.168.1" suite="karmic" bridge="br0" mem=256 mirror="http://192.168.1.3:9999/ubuntu" # LVM stuff volgroup="virtmachs" #--------------------------------------------------------------------- # Make the directory where we store the VM config #--------------------------------------------------------------------- if [ -d ${vmbase}/${hostname} ]; then /bin/rm -rf ${vmbase}/${hostname} fi mkdir -p ${vmbase}/${hostname} cd ${vmbase}/${hostname} #--------------------------------------------------------------------- # Copy over the template, but use the fixed one instead in vm0 #--------------------------------------------------------------------- mkdir -p ${vmbase}/${hostname}/mytemplates/libvirt cp ${vmbase}/vm0/mytemplates/libvirt/* ${vmbase}/${hostname}/mytemplates/libvirt/ #--------------------------------------------------------------------- # Setup partitions file #--------------------------------------------------------------------- cat >vmbuilder.partition <<EOF root 8000 swap 2000 /var 10000 EOF #--------------------------------------------------------------------- # Setup the boot.sh file #--------------------------------------------------------------------- cat >boot.sh <<EOF # This script will run the first time the virtual machine boots # It is run as root. # Expire the user account /usr/bin/passwd -e ${username} # Set the root password /usr/sbin/usermod -p '$1$MbDcN3NU$ndC6TvQ1.a1VG0jbeW3hD.' root # Install openssh-server apt-get update apt-get install -qqy --force-yes openssh-server nfs-client nfs-common mkdir /local /staging /home echo "jfsnew:/home /home nfs soft,sec=sys,vers=3,tcp,rsize=32768,wsize=32768,nolock 0 0" >> /etc/fstab echo "jfsnew:/local /local nfs soft,sec=sys,vers=3,tcp,rsize=32768,wsize=32768,nolock 0 0" >> /etc/fstab echo "jfsnew:/staging /staging nfs soft,sec=sys,vers=3,tcp,rsize=32768,wsize=32768,nolock 0 0" >> /etc/fstab mount /home mount /local mount /staging echo "America/New_York" > /etc/timezone cp /usr/share/zoneinfo/America/New_York /etc/localtime EOF #--------------------------------------------------------------------- # Create LVM volume for VM #--------------------------------------------------------------------- if [ ! -e /dev/${volgroup}/${hostname} ] then lvcreate -L20G -n ${hostname} ${volgroup} else echo echo "Skipping lvcreate, Logical Volume ${hostname} already exists." echo fi #--------------------------------------------------------------------- # Run vmbuilder #--------------------------------------------------------------------- echo vmbuilder kvm ubuntu --suite=${suite} --flavour=virtual --arch=amd64 --mirror=${mirror} -o --libvirt=qemu:///system --tmpfs=- --ip="${subnet}.${ip}" --part=vmbuilder.partition --templates=mytemplates --user=${username} --name=${username} --pass=${username} --addpkg=vim-nox --addpkg=unattended-upgrades --addpkg=acpid --raw=/dev/virtmachs/${hostname} --firstboot=boot.sh --mem=${mem} --hostname=${hostname} --bridge=${bridge} vmbuilder kvm ubuntu --suite=${suite} --flavour=virtual --arch=amd64 --mirror=${mirror} -o --libvirt=qemu:///system --tmpfs=- --ip="${subnet}.${ip}" --gateway="${subnet}.254" --part=vmbuilder.partition --templates=mytemplates --user=${username} --name=${username} --pass=${username} --addpkg=vim-nox --addpkg=unattended-upgrades --addpkg=acpid --raw=/dev/virtmachs/${hostname} --firstboot=boot.sh --mem=${mem} --hostname=${hostname} --bridge=${bridge} #--------------------------------------------------------------------- # Startup the VM #--------------------------------------------------------------------- if [ -e /etc/libvirt/qemu/${hostname}.xml ] then virsh define /etc/libvirt/qemu/${hostname}.xml virsh start ${hostname} else echo "Error! VM ${hostname} not created properly." echo exit fi

March 1, 2010

Re: [Wlug] Meeting topics

by Chuck Anderson

On Mon, Mar 01, 2010 at 04:46:44PM -0500, Jim Dibb wrote: > On Mon, Mar 1, 2010 at 4:21 PM, Chuck Anderson <cra(a)wpi.edu> wrote: >> I'm interested. I was considering using SSDs for my boot drive. Is >> RAID protection necessary/advisable using SSDs? > > SSDs have much higher reliability than HDD. > Mirroring is the only RAID level that does not impose a write penalty. > Mirroring SSDs is expensive > > Based on these 3 points, I'd say a backup is a much better solution than > RAID, unless you want to (R)AID-0 them into a stripe for even more insane > performance. > > But then again, you didn't state how important your uptime of your system > is. Sorry for leaving that bit out.... Uptime/availability isn't that important, but backups are since RAID *is* my backup (plus rsync to other RAIDed systems for the most important data). With traditional disk drives, it hasn't been too expensive to slap a 2nd system drive in for RAID 1/mirroring. SSDs are much more expensive, so if as you say they are more reliable, perhaps I can forgo the expense of doing RAID on them.

March 1, 2010

Re: [Wlug] Meeting topics

by Jeff Moyer

Chuck Anderson <cra(a)WPI.EDU> writes: > On Sun, Feb 28, 2010 at 06:26:31PM -0500, Jeff Moyer wrote: >> If anyone is interested in a talk on SSDs, chime in. I can present my >> experiences with these devices. I've evaluated the performance of >> several vendors' products, ranging from the poor to the exemplary. I >> can talk about the modifications made in the block layer to accommodate >> for these devices, and the current implementation of the block discard >> support (which maps to ATA TRIM, which is important for device lognevity >> and performance) and how that is wired up to file systems such as ext4. > > I'm interested. I was considering using SSDs for my boot drive. Is > RAID protection necessary/advisable using SSDs? The answer is, as always, it depends. I'll cover this in more depth when I give the talk, but any RAID algorithm that needs to initialize every block of the device is going to hurt performance on SSDs. There is some question about the durability/reliability of the drives, and some of those concerns are valid, others aren't. If you are diligent about backups, or if the disk just holds the OS, I wouldn't worry too much about RAID. HTH, Jeff

March 1, 2010

Re: [Wlug] Meeting topics

by Jim Dibb

But then again, you didn't state how important your uptime of your system is. Sorry for leaving that bit out.... On Mon, Mar 1, 2010 at 4:45 PM, Jim Dibb <jimdibb(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > On Mon, Mar 1, 2010 at 4:21 PM, Chuck Anderson <cra(a)wpi.edu> wrote: > >> >> >> I'm interested. I was considering using SSDs for my boot drive. Is >> RAID protection necessary/advisable using SSDs? >> _______________________________________________ >> Wlug mailing list >> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >> > > SSDs have much higher reliability than HDD. > Mirroring is the only RAID level that does not impose a write penalty. > Mirroring SSDs is expensive > > Based on these 3 points, I'd say a backup is a much better solution than > RAID, unless you want to (R)AID-0 them into a stripe for even more insane > performance. > >

March 1, 2010

Re: [Wlug] Meeting topics

by Jim Dibb

On Mon, Mar 1, 2010 at 4:21 PM, Chuck Anderson <cra(a)wpi.edu> wrote: > > > I'm interested. I was considering using SSDs for my boot drive. Is > RAID protection necessary/advisable using SSDs? > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > SSDs have much higher reliability than HDD. Mirroring is the only RAID level that does not impose a write penalty. Mirroring SSDs is expensive Based on these 3 points, I'd say a backup is a much better solution than RAID, unless you want to (R)AID-0 them into a stripe for even more insane performance.

March 1, 2010

Re: [Wlug] Meeting topics

by Patrick Dignan

On 03/01/2010 04:21 PM, Chuck Anderson wrote: > On Sun, Feb 28, 2010 at 06:26:31PM -0500, Jeff Moyer wrote: > >> If anyone is interested in a talk on SSDs, chime in. I can present my >> experiences with these devices. I've evaluated the performance of >> several vendors' products, ranging from the poor to the exemplary. I >> can talk about the modifications made in the block layer to accommodate >> for these devices, and the current implementation of the block discard >> support (which maps to ATA TRIM, which is important for device lognevity >> and performance) and how that is wired up to file systems such as ext4. >> > I'm interested. I was considering using SSDs for my boot drive. Is > RAID protection necessary/advisable using SSDs? > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > I second Chuck here.

March 1, 2010

Re: [Wlug] Meeting topics

by Chuck Anderson

On Sun, Feb 28, 2010 at 06:26:31PM -0500, Jeff Moyer wrote: > If anyone is interested in a talk on SSDs, chime in. I can present my > experiences with these devices. I've evaluated the performance of > several vendors' products, ranging from the poor to the exemplary. I > can talk about the modifications made in the block layer to accommodate > for these devices, and the current implementation of the block discard > support (which maps to ATA TRIM, which is important for device lognevity > and performance) and how that is wired up to file systems such as ext4. I'm interested. I was considering using SSDs for my boot drive. Is RAID protection necessary/advisable using SSDs?

March 1, 2010

Re: [Wlug] Meeting topics

by Frank Sweetser

On 02/28/2010 06:26 PM, Jeff Moyer wrote: > If anyone is interested in a talk on SSDs, chime in. I can present my > experiences with these devices. I've evaluated the performance of > several vendors' products, ranging from the poor to the exemplary. I > can talk about the modifications made in the block layer to accommodate > for these devices, and the current implementation of the block discard > support (which maps to ATA TRIM, which is important for device lognevity > and performance) and how that is wired up to file systems such as ext4. Sounds like a good talk to me. -- Frank Sweetser fs at wpi.edu | For every problem, there is a solution that WPI Senior Network Engineer | is simple, elegant, and wrong. - HL Mencken GPG fingerprint = 6174 1257 129E 0D21 D8D4 E8A3 8E39 29E3 E2E8 8CEC

March 1, 2010

Re: [Wlug] Meeting topics

by Jeff Moyer

Frank Sweetser <fs(a)WPI.EDU> writes: > I've noticed that not too many people have putting in meeting topic requests, > so I thought that if anyone's interested I'd volunteer to throw together some > slides on BtrFS. > > For those of you who haven't heard of it, BtrFS is the next generation linux > filesystem. Though still in heavy development, it was included in the > mainstream kernel last year. It promises to scale to filesystems well beyond > what any of the current offerings can handle (including ext4), as well as > offering far greater flexibility and better data security for data admins. > > If you have anything else that you'd like to hear about, either instead of or > in addition to BtrFS, chime in, and hopefully someone else on the list will be > able to make it happen! If anyone is interested in a talk on SSDs, chime in. I can present my experiences with these devices. I've evaluated the performance of several vendors' products, ranging from the poor to the exemplary. I can talk about the modifications made in the block layer to accommodate for these devices, and the current implementation of the block discard support (which maps to ATA TRIM, which is important for device lognevity and performance) and how that is wired up to file systems such as ext4. Cheers, Jeff

Feb. 28, 2010

Re: [Wlug] How do I change the UUID on an NTFS partition? [Solved]

by Randy Cole

Adam Gomes found the same correkt solution I did. Thanks Adam. I could not find a utility to change the UUID of an NTFS partition. So I edited the boot sector of the partition. ACHTUNG! Editing the boot sector can cause loss of data and severe tire damage! You have been warned. % blkid | grep ntfs The partition I want to change is /dev/sdb14. % dd if=/dev/sdb14 of=superblockSDB14 bs=512 count=1 you can use a random-number generator to synthesize new UUID. Or you can just change a couple of digits. edit Volume Serial Number aka "UUID" bytes 0x48 thru 0x4F (due to endian, the hex digits are both backwards and reversed!): % hexeditor superblockSDB14 % sudo dd of=/dev/sdb14 if=superblockSDB14 bs=512 count=1 Adam Gomes wrote: > Sorry for spamming the list. > > Randy, In case you are curious about what's in that NTFS superblock, > here's a great reference: > http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc781134(WS.10).aspx > <http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc781134%28WS.10%29.aspx> > > If you wanted instructions for editting that superblock, this is > probably the simplest way: > > dd if=/dev/sda# of=block bs=512 count=1 > ghexedit2 block (or what hex editor you like) > dd if=block of=/dev/sda# bs=512 count=1 > > You may also want to keep a copy of the original block, just in case > your modified block is not happy. > > The serial number is stored in the 8 bytes starting at offset 0x48. > > Here's an example from one of my own NTFS Super Blocks: > > adam@adam-laptop:~$ hd block > 00000000 eb 52 90 4e 54 46 53 20 20 20 20 00 02 08 00 00 |.R.NTFS > .....| > 00000010 00 00 00 00 00 f8 00 00 3f 00 ff 00 3f 00 00 00 > |........?...?...| > 00000020 00 00 00 00 80 00 80 00 24 97 ff 04 00 00 00 00 > |........$.......| > 00000030 00 00 0c 00 00 00 00 00 72 f9 4f 00 00 00 00 00 > |........r.O.....| > 00000040 f6 00 00 00 01 00 00 00 *69 28 05 50 64 05 50 3a* > |........*i(.Pd.P:*| > 00000050 00 00 00 00 fa 33 c0 8e d0 bc 00 7c fb b8 c0 07 > |.....3.....|....| > > If you had any more questions, I'll gladly take them off list, too. > > On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 2:48 PM, Adam Gomes <adam(a)unixgeek.net > <mailto:adam@unixgeek.net>> wrote: > > OR .... > > If you absolutely need to change the UUID, then you can always > alter the superblock of the partition. This is a little scarry, > though. The superblock is the first 512 bytes of the partition. > You can edit it in the hex editor and the NTFS volume serial > number should be in 0x48 to 0x4f. It's only 8 bytes long. Just > alter a byte or two in that region, and you should have a new UUID. > > This is NOT for the faint of heart, though. > > > On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 2:30 PM, Adam Gomes <adam(a)unixgeek.net > <mailto:adam@unixgeek.net>> wrote: > > ntfslabel /dev/sdaX LABELNAME > > and in /etc/rfstab change the /dev/sdaX or UUID= part of the > line to LABEL=LALBELNAME > > That should do the trick. You may need to install a new > package to get ntfslabel, in Ubuntu, that package is ntfsprogs. > > > On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 2:14 PM, Randy Cole > <randyokc(a)gmail.com <mailto:randyokc@gmail.com>> wrote: > > I've done this before but I can't remember how. Gparted > (actually > ntfsclone) duplicates the UUID, so I cannot mount them both! > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org <mailto:Wlug@mail.wlug.org> > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

Feb. 24, 2010

Re: [Wlug] How do I change the UUID on an NTFS partition?

by Adam Gomes

Sorry for spamming the list. Randy, In case you are curious about what's in that NTFS superblock, here's a great reference: http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc781134(WS.10).aspx If you wanted instructions for editting that superblock, this is probably the simplest way: dd if=/dev/sda# of=block bs=512 count=1 ghexedit2 block (or what hex editor you like) dd if=block of=/dev/sda# bs=512 count=1 You may also want to keep a copy of the original block, just in case your modified block is not happy. The serial number is stored in the 8 bytes starting at offset 0x48. Here's an example from one of my own NTFS Super Blocks: adam@adam-laptop:~$ hd block 00000000 eb 52 90 4e 54 46 53 20 20 20 20 00 02 08 00 00 |.R.NTFS .....| 00000010 00 00 00 00 00 f8 00 00 3f 00 ff 00 3f 00 00 00 |........?...?...| 00000020 00 00 00 00 80 00 80 00 24 97 ff 04 00 00 00 00 |........$.......| 00000030 00 00 0c 00 00 00 00 00 72 f9 4f 00 00 00 00 00 |........r.O.....| 00000040 f6 00 00 00 01 00 00 00 *69 28 05 50 64 05 50 3a* |........* i(.Pd.P:*| 00000050 00 00 00 00 fa 33 c0 8e d0 bc 00 7c fb b8 c0 07 |.....3.....|....| If you had any more questions, I'll gladly take them off list, too. On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 2:48 PM, Adam Gomes <adam(a)unixgeek.net> wrote: > OR .... > > If you absolutely need to change the UUID, then you can always alter the > superblock of the partition. This is a little scarry, though. The superblock > is the first 512 bytes of the partition. You can edit it in the hex editor > and the NTFS volume serial number should be in 0x48 to 0x4f. It's only 8 > bytes long. Just alter a byte or two in that region, and you should have a > new UUID. > > This is NOT for the faint of heart, though. > > > On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 2:30 PM, Adam Gomes <adam(a)unixgeek.net> wrote: > >> ntfslabel /dev/sdaX LABELNAME >> >> and in /etc/rfstab change the /dev/sdaX or UUID= part of the line to >> LABEL=LALBELNAME >> >> That should do the trick. You may need to install a new package to get >> ntfslabel, in Ubuntu, that package is ntfsprogs. >> >> >> On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 2:14 PM, Randy Cole <randyokc(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> I've done this before but I can't remember how. Gparted (actually >>> ntfsclone) duplicates the UUID, so I cannot mount them both! >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wlug mailing list >>> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >>> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >>> >> >> >

Feb. 24, 2010

Re: [Wlug] How do I change the UUID on an NTFS partition?

by Adam Gomes

OR .... If you absolutely need to change the UUID, then you can always alter the superblock of the partition. This is a little scarry, though. The superblock is the first 512 bytes of the partition. You can edit it in the hex editor and the NTFS volume serial number should be in 0x48 to 0x4f. It's only 8 bytes long. Just alter a byte or two in that region, and you should have a new UUID. This is NOT for the faint of heart, though. On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 2:30 PM, Adam Gomes <adam(a)unixgeek.net> wrote: > ntfslabel /dev/sdaX LABELNAME > > and in /etc/rfstab change the /dev/sdaX or UUID= part of the line to > LABEL=LALBELNAME > > That should do the trick. You may need to install a new package to get > ntfslabel, in Ubuntu, that package is ntfsprogs. > > > On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 2:14 PM, Randy Cole <randyokc(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> I've done this before but I can't remember how. Gparted (actually >> ntfsclone) duplicates the UUID, so I cannot mount them both! >> _______________________________________________ >> Wlug mailing list >> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >> > >

Feb. 24, 2010

Re: [Wlug] How do I change the UUID on an NTFS partition?

by Adam Gomes

ntfslabel /dev/sdaX LABELNAME and in /etc/rfstab change the /dev/sdaX or UUID= part of the line to LABEL=LALBELNAME That should do the trick. You may need to install a new package to get ntfslabel, in Ubuntu, that package is ntfsprogs. On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 2:14 PM, Randy Cole <randyokc(a)gmail.com> wrote: > I've done this before but I can't remember how. Gparted (actually > ntfsclone) duplicates the UUID, so I cannot mount them both! > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

Feb. 24, 2010

How do I change the UUID on an NTFS partition?

by Randy Cole

I've done this before but I can't remember how. Gparted (actually ntfsclone) duplicates the UUID, so I cannot mount them both!

Feb. 24, 2010

Re: [Wlug] Job openings: web developer, application support specialist

by Klene, Matthew

Brian, I'm new to Wlug; the last meeting was my first. It was nice to interact with everyone that was there and look forward to attending future gatherings, from some of the emails that have been circulating it sounds like BtrFS will be the next topic. I am not a hands on user of Linux, I joined to try and grow my understanding of the technology itself. I am an account manager for TEKsystems, we are the leading IT Staffing and Services firm, (Ranked #1 in industry by IT Services Business Report for eight consecutive years). The reasons for joining Wlug were centered around getting a better understanding of Linux, so I can have better conversations with the managers I work with regarding the technologies they use, not solicit business. If you or your company would like more information about more about TEKsystems and what I do please feel free to reach out to me. >From reading the rough description these positions are definitely something I could help you find, if you haven't already. You'll find my contact information below. If not I look forward to chatting with you at the next meeting Respectfully, Matthew Klene Account Manager 111 Speen St, Suite 520, Framingham, MA 01701 888.598.5881 T 508.766.3118 F 508.766.3163 M 774.279.7095 http://www.teksystems.com -----Original Message----- From: wlug-bounces(a)mail.wlug.org [mailto:wlug-bounces@mail.wlug.org] On Behalf Of Brian Conway Sent: Sunday, February 21, 2010 6:50 PM To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org Subject: [Wlug] Job openings: web developer, application support specialist Hi folks. My company is looking for a couple people for openings. Background: We're a two year-old startup located in Worcester that produces a high-performance, bidirectional messaging infrastructure that encompasses voice, SMS, email, IM, social networking, and more. Current customers include a number of restaurant chains, sports venues, and state agencies. The positions are full-time with health benefits. Pay has some flexibility, but geared towards entry level and recent grads. Web developer: PHP, Ajax, SQL (Oracle), XML, Linux (of course). Additional responsibility/salary is available for partial system operations support. Customer support/application specialist: Customer-facing, non-programmer, will become an expert in our applications. Responsible for initial setup and configuration of new customers in our applications and troubleshooting. Additional roles as they appear. Let me know if anyone's interested and I'll pass it along, thanks. Brian Conway _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug ____________________________________________________________________________________________________ This electronic mail (including any attachments) may contain information that is privileged, confidential, and/or otherwise protected from disclosure to anyone other than its intended recipient(s). Any dissemination or use of this electronic email or its contents (including any attachments) by persons other than the intended recipient(s) is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please notify us immediately by reply email so that we may correct our internal records. Please then delete the original message (including any attachments) in its entirety. Thank you.

Feb. 23, 2010

Re: [Wlug] Meeting topics

by Keith Wright

> From: Frank Sweetser <fs(a)WPI.EDU> > > (I guess this mean I have to actually finish up the slides now...) To quote my boss: no need to hurry, just start it now... and finish before you go home. -- Keith

Feb. 22, 2010

Re: [Wlug] Meeting topics

by Frank Sweetser

On 2/22/2010 6:38 AM, Andy Stewart wrote: > HI Frank, > > I think that would be a great topic for our next meeting. Shall I > update the website accordingly? Sure, go for it! (I guess this mean I have to actually finish up the slides now...) -- Frank Sweetser fs at wpi.edu | For every problem, there is a solution that WPI Senior Network Engineer | is simple, elegant, and wrong. - HL Mencken GPG fingerprint = 6174 1257 129E 0D21 D8D4 E8A3 8E39 29E3 E2E8 8CEC

Feb. 22, 2010

Re: [Wlug] Meeting topics

by Andy Stewart

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Frank Sweetser wrote: > I've noticed that not too many people have putting in meeting topic requests, > so I thought that if anyone's interested I'd volunteer to throw together some > slides on BtrFS. > > For those of you who haven't heard of it, BtrFS is the next generation linux > filesystem. Though still in heavy development, it was included in the > mainstream kernel last year. It promises to scale to filesystems well beyond > what any of the current offerings can handle (including ext4), as well as > offering far greater flexibility and better data security for data admins. > > If you have anything else that you'd like to hear about, either instead of or > in addition to BtrFS, chime in, and hopefully someone else on the list will be > able to make it happen! > HI Frank, I think that would be a great topic for our next meeting. Shall I update the website accordingly? Thanks, Andy - -- Andy Stewart (KB1OIQ) Founder: Worcester Linux Users' Group Founder: Chelmsford Linux Meetup Group President: PART of Westford, MA (WB1GOF) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFLgmywOjiraCaOTOoRAr1XAJ4nxnSQ6wNgYIrpCSt65wTVtP6ycwCgh9cQ VCClnkd/TnnJcBrSmkX6weM= =+Tco -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

Feb. 22, 2010

Meeting topics

by Frank Sweetser

I've noticed that not too many people have putting in meeting topic requests, so I thought that if anyone's interested I'd volunteer to throw together some slides on BtrFS. For those of you who haven't heard of it, BtrFS is the next generation linux filesystem. Though still in heavy development, it was included in the mainstream kernel last year. It promises to scale to filesystems well beyond what any of the current offerings can handle (including ext4), as well as offering far greater flexibility and better data security for data admins. If you have anything else that you'd like to hear about, either instead of or in addition to BtrFS, chime in, and hopefully someone else on the list will be able to make it happen! -- Frank Sweetser fs at wpi.edu | For every problem, there is a solution that WPI Senior Network Engineer | is simple, elegant, and wrong. - HL Mencken GPG fingerprint = 6174 1257 129E 0D21 D8D4 E8A3 8E39 29E3 E2E8 8CEC

Feb. 22, 2010

Job openings: web developer, application support specialist

by Brian Conway

Hi folks. My company is looking for a couple people for openings. Background: We're a two year-old startup located in Worcester that produces a high-performance, bidirectional messaging infrastructure that encompasses voice, SMS, email, IM, social networking, and more. Current customers include a number of restaurant chains, sports venues, and state agencies. The positions are full-time with health benefits. Pay has some flexibility, but geared towards entry level and recent grads. Web developer: PHP, Ajax, SQL (Oracle), XML, Linux (of course). Additional responsibility/salary is available for partial system operations support. Customer support/application specialist: Customer-facing, non-programmer, will become an expert in our applications. Responsible for initial setup and configuration of new customers in our applications and troubleshooting. Additional roles as they appear. Let me know if anyone's interested and I'll pass it along, thanks. Brian Conway

Feb. 21, 2010

Re: [Wlug] [OT]Seeing SCSI devices in Solaris

by John Stoffel

Chuck> At work we have several Sparc servers running Solaris 10u8 that Chuck> are connected to storage arrays via fiber cables and switches. Chuck> Some of these hosts can have thousands of connections and can Chuck> take hours to boot! Ugh! Too bad you can't zone these off a bit so you don't have to enumerate all these devices sequentially to get things to boot up properly. Chuck> Does anyone know a way to view the scsi connections in Solaris? Chuck> In RedHat, I can do a cat /proc/scsi/scsi and see the Chuck> connections. Chuck> How can I do this in Solaris? devfsadm doesn't seem to give me Chuck> what I want, and Google doesn't provide too much help. Does 'luxadm probe' give you anything useful? It's a more Solaris 5.8 tool, but might be on 10uX, though I'm not logged into my $WORK systems with 10u and tape devices to check. John

Feb. 14, 2010

[OT]Seeing SCSI devices in Solaris

by Chuck Noyes

Hi All, This may a bit [OT], but ... At work we have several Sparc servers running Solaris 10u8 that are connected to storage arrays via fiber cables and switches. Some of these hosts can have thousands of connections and can take hours to boot! Does anyone know a way to view the scsi connections in Solaris? In RedHat, I can do a cat /proc/scsi/scsi and see the connections. How can I do this in Solaris? devfsadm doesn't seem to give me what I want, and Google doesn't provide too much help. TIA, -Chuck

Feb. 13, 2010

Re: [Wlug] Greetings

by Frank Sweetser

On 02/11/2010 09:45 AM, Klene, Matthew wrote: > Hello, > > > > As a recent subscriber to the user group I was hoping to make my first > user group gathering this evening. I was writing to confirm that the > meeting scheduled this evening was still a go, and the information on > the website containing time and location (room next to Morgan Hall > dinning center) was correct. Yes, the meeting is still on at that time and place. -- Frank Sweetser fs at wpi.edu | For every problem, there is a solution that WPI Senior Network Engineer | is simple, elegant, and wrong. - HL Mencken GPG fingerprint = 6174 1257 129E 0D21 D8D4 E8A3 8E39 29E3 E2E8 8CEC

Feb. 11, 2010

Greetings

by Klene, Matthew

Hello, As a recent subscriber to the user group I was hoping to make my first user group gathering this evening. I was writing to confirm that the meeting scheduled this evening was still a go, and the information on the website containing time and location (room next to Morgan Hall dinning center) was correct. Regards, Matt Klene ________________________________ Matthew Klene Account Manager 111 Speen St, Suite 520, Framingham, MA 01701 888.598.5881 T 508.766.3118 F 508.766.3163 M 774.279.7095 <http://www.teksystems.com/> ________________________________ ____________________________________________________________________________________________________ This electronic mail (including any attachments) may contain information that is privileged, confidential, and/or otherwise protected from disclosure to anyone other than its intended recipient(s). Any dissemination or use of this electronic email or its contents (including any attachments) by persons other than the intended recipient(s) is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please notify us immediately by reply email so that we may correct our internal records. Please then delete the original message (including any attachments) in its entirety. Thank you.

Feb. 11, 2010

Upcoming meetting reminder

by Andy Stewart

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 HI Everybody, I've just updated the website...sorry that I let it get so out of date. We have a meeting coming up on Thursday, February 11th in that meeting room next to the Morgan Hall dining center. It is very close to the former Access Grid room where we used to meet. If anybody is interested in leading the discussion or giving a presentation, please let me know, or just bring it to the meeting. If I know in advance, I'll announce it on the website - this often attracts more people to the meeting. Our last meeting was rather lightly attended, perhaps because I didn't get the reminder out in enough time. I pulled together a talk about how I used libHaru to generate PDF output from a program that I wrote. I could bring in another program (Perl script) that I wrote to get data out of a ham radio related piece of test gear. It is the very first native Linux program in the world to talk to this device. I know because I asked for (and received!!!) a previously unpublished specification from the vendor. Sweet! I will be releasing this program under the GPL v3 shortly. I'm looking forward to seeing lots of people at the next meeting. Of course, we'll go out after the meeting for pizza and socializing. See ya later, Andy - -- Andy Stewart (KB1OIQ) Founder: Worcester Linux Users' Group Founder: Chelmsford Linux Meetup Group President: PART of Westford, MA (WB1GOF) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFLbMOOOjiraCaOTOoRAn1VAKDMXUtofVI0u+zAZ7Fu9vMz784V2gCbBMIX 2m57SJ6XZD7fS2W1Kr1bGHA= =2/vz -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

Feb. 6, 2010

Re: [Wlug] Building a PC for another arch? PPC64?

by Tim Keller

While NOT PPC64, the Beagle board (beagleboard.org) looks pretty damn cool. The processor is an ARM Cortex. They -claim- laptop like performance (whatever that means...) Later, Tim. On Sat, Jan 30, 2010 at 7:34 AM, Tatsh <ddrtist(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Wow, POWER6 is expensive. Looks like if I want this sorta thing my best bet > is getting the actual XDK hardware (they are not 100% rare; I've seen > several for sale on Scenyx forums). > > Still, I think I am definitely getting that SheevaPlug. I'll turn that into > my proxy server (which I currently use a big, power-hungry desktop for). > > Thanks for the help guys. > > > On 29 January 2010 13:48, Adam Gomes <adam(a)unixgeek.net> wrote: > >> :( That's a tall order, actually. The processor in the 360 was made by IBM >> especially for the 360 at M$'s request. The closest things you're going to >> find in terms of speed (not necessarily # of cores) is going to be systems >> based on the 970 (like the Mac G5 or certain IBM blade center boards) or >> systems based on the POWER6 which generally only going to be found in IBM >> blade centers (js20 goes for around $500 on ebay, and the js22 goes for >> around $3,000 on ebay). Today, most PPC cores are found in embedded systems >> in things like wireless access points, mobile computing devices, routers, >> etcc, and most of them are just 32 bit processors. >> >> I've seen the G5s go for as little as $300 on ebay, too. >> >> On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 9:25 AM, Tatsh <ddrtist(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Where can I find parts to build a PC based on PPC64? Really, I'd like to >>> build >>> something similar to the Xbox 360 for development purposes and for fun. >>> It seems >>> like it's impossible to find the parts though (at least with Google). >>> Anyone >>> know suppliers? If it's way out of price range I'll step out but I'd like >>> to at >>> least see where to get this stuff. >>> >>> This is the hardware, generically: >>> http://www.free60.org/Main_Page >>> >>> Some of it needs specific type, such as the RAM, and etc. The video card >>> could >>> be any recent ATI HD I'm imagining. The motherboard for this would need >>> PCI-extreme slots. >>> >>> Yes I am aware it has been hacked with JTAG and all. I am not looking to >>> hack >>> mine. Just to build a similar machine for development where I'll run >>> Linux and >>> hopefully put together a complete (free, GPL) toolchain. >>> >>> Thanks >>> >>> -- >>> Tatsh >>> www.tatsh.net >>> ddrtist(a)gmail.com >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wlug mailing list >>> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >>> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wlug mailing list >> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

Feb. 2, 2010

201 CMR 17 - "Standards for the protection of personal information of residents of the Commonwealth" - takes effect March 1

by Ryan Pugatch

Hello all, Just wanted to remind everyone that 201 CMR 17 takes effect March 1! If you're not familiar with this regulation, it specifies policies, procedures, and security requirements that are needed if you store a minimum of first initial and last name in conjunction with a social security number, drivers license/id number, financial account number (credit, debit, bank account number), or an access code or PIN/password that would allow access to a bank account. This doesn't just apply to companies that accept credit card payments. Think of it from an HR point of view as well. The regulation is available at: http://www.mass.gov/Eoca/docs/idtheft/201CMR1700reg.pdf Best, Ryan

Feb. 1, 2010

Re: [Wlug] GPS

by Jorden Mauro

On Sat, Jan 30, 2010 at 4:53 PM, Mike Leo <mleo963(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > The problem no device maker wants to admit is that having a usb protrusion > sticking out the side of a laptop is dangerous. > > The expresscard and sd card slots at least recess into the laptop for > safety. I agree! And in that light, the dearth of devices for it is sad. A GPS card would indeed be awesome. > > But thanks for the feedback! > > ________________________________ > From: Jorden Mauro <jrm8005(a)gmail.com> > To: Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> > Sent: Sat, January 30, 2010 4:50:01 PM > Subject: Re: [Wlug] GPS > > On Sat, Jan 30, 2010 at 4:46 PM, Mike Leo <mleo963(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >> Great idea, but it has an sd card reader built in! > > I went looking for other expresscards and there don't seem to be too > many varieties out there. I guess, as a port, it just couldn't compete > with USB. > >> >> It's a lenovo s10, and I really like it. My only complaint is the >> keyboard >> is a little smaller than other netbooks, but other than that it does it >> all! >> >> ________________________________ >> From: Jorden Mauro <jrm8005(a)gmail.com> >> To: Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> >> Sent: Sat, January 30, 2010 4:38:53 PM >> Subject: Re: [Wlug] GPS >> >> On Sat, Jan 30, 2010 at 4:33 PM, Mike Leo <mleo963(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >>> I have a great little Lenovo netbook and I haven't found a good use for >>> the >>> expresscard 34 slot >>> >>> I've been researching GPS devices but can't find an ExpressCard 34 style >>> GPS >>> device. >>> >>> I could get a normal GPS device with a screen and junk, but that would >>> defeat the purpose of my search. >>> >>> Does anyone have experience with using a laptop with a GPS device? >>> >>> FYI: I already have maxed out the ram and have a 150gig hard drive, plus >>> a >>> webcam and bluetooth...if anyone can think of a better use of the >>> Expresscard, I'd like to hear that, too! >>> >>> Ciao >>> >> >> If it has no SD slot, you can get an expresscard34 multicard reader >> for cheap. It's a boon if friends/family/self have lots of cards and >> cameras and whatnot. >> _______________________________________________ >> Wlug mailing list >> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wlug mailing list >> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > >

Jan. 30, 2010

Re: [Wlug] GPS

by Mike Leo

The problem no device maker wants to admit is that having a usb protrusion sticking out the side of a laptop is dangerous. The expresscard and sd card slots at least recess into the laptop for safety. But thanks for the feedback! ________________________________ From: Jorden Mauro <jrm8005(a)gmail.com> To: Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> Sent: Sat, January 30, 2010 4:50:01 PM Subject: Re: [Wlug] GPS On Sat, Jan 30, 2010 at 4:46 PM, Mike Leo <mleo963(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > Great idea, but it has an sd card reader built in! I went looking for other expresscards and there don't seem to be too many varieties out there. I guess, as a port, it just couldn't compete with USB. > > It's a lenovo s10, and I really like it. My only complaint is the keyboard > is a little smaller than other netbooks, but other than that it does it all! > > ________________________________ > From: Jorden Mauro <jrm8005(a)gmail.com> > To: Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> > Sent: Sat, January 30, 2010 4:38:53 PM > Subject: Re: [Wlug] GPS > > On Sat, Jan 30, 2010 at 4:33 PM, Mike Leo <mleo963(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >> I have a great little Lenovo netbook and I haven't found a good use for >> the >> expresscard 34 slot >> >> I've been researching GPS devices but can't find an ExpressCard 34 style >> GPS >> device. >> >> I could get a normal GPS device with a screen and junk, but that would >> defeat the purpose of my search. >> >> Does anyone have experience with using a laptop with a GPS device? >> >> FYI: I already have maxed out the ram and have a 150gig hard drive, plus a >> webcam and bluetooth...if anyone can think of a better use of the >> Expresscard, I'd like to hear that, too! >> >> Ciao >> > > If it has no SD slot, you can get an expresscard34 multicard reader > for cheap. It's a boon if friends/family/self have lots of cards and > cameras and whatnot. > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Jan. 30, 2010

Re: [Wlug] GPS

by Jorden Mauro

On Sat, Jan 30, 2010 at 4:46 PM, Mike Leo <mleo963(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > Great idea, but it has an sd card reader built in! I went looking for other expresscards and there don't seem to be too many varieties out there. I guess, as a port, it just couldn't compete with USB. > > It's a lenovo s10, and I really like it. My only complaint is the keyboard > is a little smaller than other netbooks, but other than that it does it all! > > ________________________________ > From: Jorden Mauro <jrm8005(a)gmail.com> > To: Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> > Sent: Sat, January 30, 2010 4:38:53 PM > Subject: Re: [Wlug] GPS > > On Sat, Jan 30, 2010 at 4:33 PM, Mike Leo <mleo963(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >> I have a great little Lenovo netbook and I haven't found a good use for >> the >> expresscard 34 slot >> >> I've been researching GPS devices but can't find an ExpressCard 34 style >> GPS >> device. >> >> I could get a normal GPS device with a screen and junk, but that would >> defeat the purpose of my search. >> >> Does anyone have experience with using a laptop with a GPS device? >> >> FYI: I already have maxed out the ram and have a 150gig hard drive, plus a >> webcam and bluetooth...if anyone can think of a better use of the >> Expresscard, I'd like to hear that, too! >> >> Ciao >> > > If it has no SD slot, you can get an expresscard34 multicard reader > for cheap. It's a boon if friends/family/self have lots of cards and > cameras and whatnot. > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > >

Jan. 30, 2010

Re: [Wlug] GPS

by Mike Leo

Great idea, but it has an sd card reader built in! It's a lenovo s10, and I really like it. My only complaint is the keyboard is a little smaller than other netbooks, but other than that it does it all! ________________________________ From: Jorden Mauro <jrm8005(a)gmail.com> To: Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> Sent: Sat, January 30, 2010 4:38:53 PM Subject: Re: [Wlug] GPS On Sat, Jan 30, 2010 at 4:33 PM, Mike Leo <mleo963(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > I have a great little Lenovo netbook and I haven't found a good use for the > expresscard 34 slot > > I've been researching GPS devices but can't find an ExpressCard 34 style GPS > device. > > I could get a normal GPS device with a screen and junk, but that would > defeat the purpose of my search. > > Does anyone have experience with using a laptop with a GPS device? > > FYI: I already have maxed out the ram and have a 150gig hard drive, plus a > webcam and bluetooth...if anyone can think of a better use of the > Expresscard, I'd like to hear that, too! > > Ciao > If it has no SD slot, you can get an expresscard34 multicard reader for cheap. It's a boon if friends/family/self have lots of cards and cameras and whatnot. _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Jan. 30, 2010

Re: [Wlug] GPS

by Jorden Mauro

On Sat, Jan 30, 2010 at 4:33 PM, Mike Leo <mleo963(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > I have a great little Lenovo netbook and I haven't found a good use for the > expresscard 34 slot > > I've been researching GPS devices but can't find an ExpressCard 34 style GPS > device. > > I could get a normal GPS device with a screen and junk, but that would > defeat the purpose of my search. > > Does anyone have experience with using a laptop with a GPS device? > > FYI: I already have maxed out the ram and have a 150gig hard drive, plus a > webcam and bluetooth...if anyone can think of a better use of the > Expresscard, I'd like to hear that, too! > > Ciao > If it has no SD slot, you can get an expresscard34 multicard reader for cheap. It's a boon if friends/family/self have lots of cards and cameras and whatnot.

Jan. 30, 2010

GPS

by Mike Leo

I have a great little Lenovo netbook and I haven't found a good use for the expresscard 34 slot I've been researching GPS devices but can't find an ExpressCard 34 style GPS device. I could get a normal GPS device with a screen and junk, but that would defeat the purpose of my search. Does anyone have experience with using a laptop with a GPS device? FYI: I already have maxed out the ram and have a 150gig hard drive, plus a webcam and bluetooth...if anyone can think of a better use of the Expresscard, I'd like to hear that, too! Ciao

Jan. 30, 2010

Looking at new and inexpensive laptop for Linux

by joel d

Thank you everyone for all for the comments and suggestions. Joel

Jan. 30, 2010

Re: [Wlug] Looking at new and inexpensive laptop for Linux use.

by Joseph Guarino

Hello Joel/Every1, Have a look see at these 4 HCL sites of Linux compatible hardware: http://www.linux-drivers.org/ https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupport/ http://www.linux-drivers.org/ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hardware_compatibility_list - this gives you links to the other distros... They will have mucho details! Besides, half the joy I find in installing is having to hack something to work and helping the software improve for the next person. =) Enjoy the weekend, Joseph Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 12:48:18 -0500 From: joel d <joelgroup(a)gmail.com> Subject: [Wlug] Looking at new and inexpensive laptop for Linux use. To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org Message-ID: <e8ac87841001290948g363a52a8k556b10aca5c858f8(a)mail.gmail.com > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi all, I am considering replacing my old broken screen laptop (Pent 350 & 256MB) with a replacement. Does anyone recommendations on $400 to $600 laptops for Linux with a regular 15" or so screen and at least 2-4GB RAM. I am going with a low-spec (and low cost) as I have used the laptop an hour or two a week in the past as for daily use my eyes prefer my desktop's 24" widescreen LCD. In this price range I am mostly finding Netbooks and the occasional low end Acer (newegg). I could handle the speed of a netbook but my older and poor eyes would protest (and the additional RAM cost makes them spendy-ish for what you get). Any recommendations for a new, regular 15" or so standard notebook on the cheap for Linux use (prob. Ubuntu or KUbuntu)? I am thinking my concerns here and hardware compatibility and cost. Thank you, Joel

Jan. 30, 2010

Re: [Wlug] Building a PC for another arch? PPC64?

by Tatsh

Wow, POWER6 is expensive. Looks like if I want this sorta thing my best bet is getting the actual XDK hardware (they are not 100% rare; I've seen several for sale on Scenyx forums). Still, I think I am definitely getting that SheevaPlug. I'll turn that into my proxy server (which I currently use a big, power-hungry desktop for). Thanks for the help guys. On 29 January 2010 13:48, Adam Gomes <adam(a)unixgeek.net> wrote: > :( That's a tall order, actually. The processor in the 360 was made by IBM > especially for the 360 at M$'s request. The closest things you're going to > find in terms of speed (not necessarily # of cores) is going to be systems > based on the 970 (like the Mac G5 or certain IBM blade center boards) or > systems based on the POWER6 which generally only going to be found in IBM > blade centers (js20 goes for around $500 on ebay, and the js22 goes for > around $3,000 on ebay). Today, most PPC cores are found in embedded systems > in things like wireless access points, mobile computing devices, routers, > etcc, and most of them are just 32 bit processors. > > I've seen the G5s go for as little as $300 on ebay, too. > > On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 9:25 AM, Tatsh <ddrtist(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> Where can I find parts to build a PC based on PPC64? Really, I'd like to >> build >> something similar to the Xbox 360 for development purposes and for fun. It >> seems >> like it's impossible to find the parts though (at least with Google). >> Anyone >> know suppliers? If it's way out of price range I'll step out but I'd like >> to at >> least see where to get this stuff. >> >> This is the hardware, generically: >> http://www.free60.org/Main_Page >> >> Some of it needs specific type, such as the RAM, and etc. The video card >> could >> be any recent ATI HD I'm imagining. The motherboard for this would need >> PCI-extreme slots. >> >> Yes I am aware it has been hacked with JTAG and all. I am not looking to >> hack >> mine. Just to build a similar machine for development where I'll run Linux >> and >> hopefully put together a complete (free, GPL) toolchain. >> >> Thanks >> >> -- >> Tatsh >> www.tatsh.net >> ddrtist(a)gmail.com >> _______________________________________________ >> Wlug mailing list >> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > >

Jan. 30, 2010

Re: [Wlug] Building a PC for another arch? PPC64?

by Adam Gomes

:( That's a tall order, actually. The processor in the 360 was made by IBM especially for the 360 at M$'s request. The closest things you're going to find in terms of speed (not necessarily # of cores) is going to be systems based on the 970 (like the Mac G5 or certain IBM blade center boards) or systems based on the POWER6 which generally only going to be found in IBM blade centers (js20 goes for around $500 on ebay, and the js22 goes for around $3,000 on ebay). Today, most PPC cores are found in embedded systems in things like wireless access points, mobile computing devices, routers, etcc, and most of them are just 32 bit processors. I've seen the G5s go for as little as $300 on ebay, too. On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 9:25 AM, Tatsh <ddrtist(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Where can I find parts to build a PC based on PPC64? Really, I'd like to > build > something similar to the Xbox 360 for development purposes and for fun. It > seems > like it's impossible to find the parts though (at least with Google). > Anyone > know suppliers? If it's way out of price range I'll step out but I'd like > to at > least see where to get this stuff. > > This is the hardware, generically: > http://www.free60.org/Main_Page > > Some of it needs specific type, such as the RAM, and etc. The video card > could > be any recent ATI HD I'm imagining. The motherboard for this would need > PCI-extreme slots. > > Yes I am aware it has been hacked with JTAG and all. I am not looking to > hack > mine. Just to build a similar machine for development where I'll run Linux > and > hopefully put together a complete (free, GPL) toolchain. > > Thanks > > -- > Tatsh > www.tatsh.net > ddrtist(a)gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

Jan. 29, 2010

Re: [Wlug] Looking at new and inexpensive laptop for Linux use.

by Richard Klein

I've had my Dell Inspiron 8200 for I don't know how many years now, and I'm still happy with it. I've installed Win2000, WinXP, Win7, debian, Ubuntu, and FreeBSD on it without any significant trouble. It still seems fast enough to me. The 1600x1200 resolution on a 15" screen may be hard for some people to read, and the the USB 1.1 ports are slow. You'd probably be better off buying something new, but I can verify that several flavors of Linux work fine on this model. -- Rich Sent from Southborough, Massachusetts, United States

Jan. 29, 2010

Re: [Wlug] Looking at new and inexpensive laptop for Linux use.

by E Johnson

We just bought a Lenovo G550 from newegg for $499. This has a T4400 dual-core Penitum (2.2 ghz) and it has 4 GB memory with a 15.6" screen. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834146706 This unit comes with Windoze7. It looks good & everything works fine so far. Arrived here one day after placing the order. We bought this unit for my roommate's auntie, so unfortunately, we can't do a test install of a Linux distro to report on, but probably you could wipe it and install any flavor of Linux. Would probably run fairly fast if you keep the bloatware to a minimum. At least one person reports that he has this unit set up in dual boot with Ubuntu 9.10: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-laptop-and-netbook-25/lenovo-… Note: 3 years ago when I was in the laptop-buying mode, I originally orederd a Lenovo. At the time, their customer support team was in a foreign country (startc with Ch--) and I was not happy with customer interface. So I went with the Dell at that time. Don't know anything about Lenovo's customer support teams now, though. I have a Dell Inspiron 15n here with similar dual processor, also 15.6 inch screen. Mine came with Ubuntu pre-installed, but it's been running Debian Lenny for quite a while. My Inspiron 15n has less RAM than the Lenovo above, but runs fine in Lenny. You'd be welcome to come out to the house & have a look. Good luck Liz J 2010/1/29 joel d <joelgroup(a)gmail.com>: > Hi all, > > I am considering replacing my old broken screen laptop (Pent 350 & > 256MB) with a replacement. > > Does anyone recommendations on $400 to $600 laptops for Linux with a > regular 15" or so screen and at least 2-4GB RAM. I am going with a > low-spec (and low cost) as I have used the laptop an hour or two a > week in the past as for daily use my eyes prefer my desktop's 24" > widescreen LCD. > > In this price range I am mostly finding Netbooks and the occasional > low end Acer (newegg). I could handle the speed of a netbook but my > older and poor eyes would protest (and the additional RAM cost makes > them spendy-ish for what you get). > > Any recommendations for a new, regular 15" or so standard notebook on > the cheap for Linux use (prob. Ubuntu or KUbuntu)? I am thinking my > concerns here and hardware compatibility and cost. > > Thank you, > > Joel > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

Jan. 29, 2010

Re: [Wlug] Looking at new and inexpensive laptop for Linux use.

by Tatsh

I know I am gonna get shot for this one. I use an HP G60t series laptop (G60t-243cl). I bought it off eBay (refurbished) for $450. It loves Linux, hates Windows XP (yes I downgraded). I've got everything working on it including the Webcam which is luckily UVC-based. There's no bluetooth on it so I don't have to worry about that (don't really care for that feature). There's also no Firewire (which was a big let down AFTER buying it). 3 USB ports. If you go for a GXX series HP, you might have some good luck. I also use a 24" LCD with my laptop with the HDMI output (it also has VGA). Even audio works through HDMI (pick nvidia HDMI codec in kernel + Conexant Audio for HD)! :) Not going to get shot for this one though: I use Gentoo. joel d wrote: > Hi all, > > I am considering replacing my old broken screen laptop (Pent 350 & > 256MB) with a replacement. > > Does anyone recommendations on $400 to $600 laptops for Linux with a > regular 15" or so screen and at least 2-4GB RAM. I am going with a > low-spec (and low cost) as I have used the laptop an hour or two a > week in the past as for daily use my eyes prefer my desktop's 24" > widescreen LCD. > > In this price range I am mostly finding Netbooks and the occasional > low end Acer (newegg). I could handle the speed of a netbook but my > older and poor eyes would protest (and the additional RAM cost makes > them spendy-ish for what you get). > > Any recommendations for a new, regular 15" or so standard notebook on > the cheap for Linux use (prob. Ubuntu or KUbuntu)? I am thinking my > concerns here and hardware compatibility and cost. > > Thank you, > > Joel > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > -- Tatsh www.tatsh.net ddrtist(a)gmail.com

Jan. 29, 2010

Re: [Wlug] Looking at new and inexpensive laptop for Linux use.

by Adam Keck

HI Joel, There are a lot of off-lease IBM Thinkpad T42s on various retailers for ~300. Some Thinkpad models haven't fared so well, but, if I recall correctly, the T42 is pretty solid. I had a used Thinkpad 600x running Linux for almost 6 years, so a decent Thinkpad can last quite some time. Also, I find T-series Thinkpads easy to fix, since almost everything replaceable has its own faceplate on the bottom and Ebay is full of parts. Driver support for older laptops tends to be better than for brand new ones, as well. If you do want a new Linux model with minimal hassle, Dell sells Inspiron 15n with Ubuntu for ~600. We have been quite happy with our Ubuntu Dell Mini 9 for the past year and half. -Adam On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 12:48 PM, joel d <joelgroup(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Hi all, > > I am considering replacing my old broken screen laptop (Pent 350 & > 256MB) with a replacement. > > Does anyone recommendations on $400 to $600 laptops for Linux with a > regular 15" or so screen and at least 2-4GB RAM. I am going with a > low-spec (and low cost) as I have used the laptop an hour or two a > week in the past as for daily use my eyes prefer my desktop's 24" > widescreen LCD. > > In this price range I am mostly finding Netbooks and the occasional > low end Acer (newegg). I could handle the speed of a netbook but my > older and poor eyes would protest (and the additional RAM cost makes > them spendy-ish for what you get). > > Any recommendations for a new, regular 15" or so standard notebook on > the cheap for Linux use (prob. Ubuntu or KUbuntu)? I am thinking my > concerns here and hardware compatibility and cost. > > Thank you, > > Joel > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

Jan. 29, 2010

Looking at new and inexpensive laptop for Linux use.

by joel d

Hi all, I am considering replacing my old broken screen laptop (Pent 350 & 256MB) with a replacement. Does anyone recommendations on $400 to $600 laptops for Linux with a regular 15" or so screen and at least 2-4GB RAM. I am going with a low-spec (and low cost) as I have used the laptop an hour or two a week in the past as for daily use my eyes prefer my desktop's 24" widescreen LCD. In this price range I am mostly finding Netbooks and the occasional low end Acer (newegg). I could handle the speed of a netbook but my older and poor eyes would protest (and the additional RAM cost makes them spendy-ish for what you get). Any recommendations for a new, regular 15" or so standard notebook on the cheap for Linux use (prob. Ubuntu or KUbuntu)? I am thinking my concerns here and hardware compatibility and cost. Thank you, Joel

Jan. 29, 2010

Re: [Wlug] Building a PC for another arch? PPC64?

by Brian Conway

On Fri, 29 Jan 2010, Tatsh wrote: > Where can I find parts to build a PC based on PPC64? Really, I'd like to build > something similar to the Xbox 360 for development purposes and for fun. It seems > like it's impossible to find the parts though (at least with Google). Anyone > know suppliers? If it's way out of price range I'll step out but I'd like to at > least see where to get this stuff. > It doesn't qualify as "similar to the Xbox 360" or even PC-like, but there are a lot of fun ARM devices on the market these days, many of which are tiny and/or low power, if playing around with other architectures is your goal. SheevaPlug, for example: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SheevaPlug Brian

Jan. 29, 2010

Re: [Wlug] Building a PC for another arch? PPC64?

by soup

On 1/29/2010 9:25 AM, Tatsh wrote: > Where can I find parts to build a PC based on PPC64? Really, I'd like to build > something similar to the Xbox 360 for development purposes and for fun. It seems > like it's impossible to find the parts though (at least with Google). Anyone > know suppliers? If it's way out of price range I'll step out but I'd like to at > least see where to get this stuff. > > This is the hardware, generically: > http://www.free60.org/Main_Page > > <SNIP> It's probably a lot cheaper to just find a used Intellistation Power machine. You can get them in multiproc configuration. I see them on ebay for a few hundred every now and then and I've seen them at the MIT flea for even cheaper, likely stripped though. Starting from scratch would be rough these days. I think the only other place to get 'inexpensive' boards for such a beast would be the amigaone crowd and there's no way it's going to be super cheap. They were trying to sell G3 and G4-based machines for ridiculous money a few years ago. > Thanks > Good hunting! soup

Jan. 29, 2010

Building a PC for another arch? PPC64?

by Tatsh

Where can I find parts to build a PC based on PPC64? Really, I'd like to build something similar to the Xbox 360 for development purposes and for fun. It seems like it's impossible to find the parts though (at least with Google). Anyone know suppliers? If it's way out of price range I'll step out but I'd like to at least see where to get this stuff. This is the hardware, generically: http://www.free60.org/Main_Page Some of it needs specific type, such as the RAM, and etc. The video card could be any recent ATI HD I'm imagining. The motherboard for this would need PCI-extreme slots. Yes I am aware it has been hacked with JTAG and all. I am not looking to hack mine. Just to build a similar machine for development where I'll run Linux and hopefully put together a complete (free, GPL) toolchain. Thanks -- Tatsh www.tatsh.net ddrtist(a)gmail.com

Jan. 29, 2010

Re: [Wlug] Penetration Tester

by Tal Cohen

It actually is specified, I just didn't include it in the email. Tal PS PCI ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nick Nassar" <nassar(a)alum.wpi.edu> To: "Worcester Linux Users Group" <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 4:51 PM Subject: Re: [Wlug] Penetration Tester > That's certainly a legit reason. :) > > What compliance requires penetration testing but doesn't specify what > test suite to use? > > > Tal Cohen <wlug(a)cohen123.com> wrote: > >> Not to mention, it is a requirment for for certain compliance that I am >> trying to meet :) >> >> Tal > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Jan. 19, 2010

Re: [Wlug] Penetration Tester

by Nick Nassar

That's certainly a legit reason. :) What compliance requires penetration testing but doesn't specify what test suite to use? Tal Cohen <wlug(a)cohen123.com> wrote: > Not to mention, it is a requirment for for certain compliance that I am > trying to meet :) > > Tal

Jan. 18, 2010

Re: [Wlug] Penetration Tester

by Tal Cohen

Not to mention, it is a requirment for for certain compliance that I am trying to meet :) Tal ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gregory Boyce" <gregory.boyce(a)gmail.com> To: "Worcester Linux Users Group" <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 3:47 PM Subject: Re: [Wlug] Penetration Tester >I agree with most of what you're saying except I thinking you're > mixing up vulnerability scanning with pen testing. A good pen tester > will actually demonstrate the vulnerability and can find new issues in > your custom web app code. > > The one benefit of pen testing would be convincing decision makers > that the steps you outlined are necessary. > > On Jan 18, 2010, at 12:32 PM, Nick Nassar <nassar(a)alum.wpi.edu> wrote: > >> Don't bother. It's security theater. >> >> It easy to run automated tests, but the chance it will actually catch >> something that you wouldn't know about by reading the proper security >> mailing lists is negligible. >> >> These days most malware gets in through end users doing stupid things. >> China hacked Google with a phishing attack. There's no completely >> technical solution for that. Educate users as best you can. If >> there's >> sensitive data on your network, make sure only people who need access >> have access. >> >> Assume that your network will be compromised. Have a strategy to >> restore things quickly when that happens. >> >> >> >> Tal Cohen <wlug(a)cohen123.com> wrote: >> >>> I need a penetration tester (individual or firm) to run some tests >>> against my >>> network. >>> >>> Anyone have any recommendations they care to share? >>> >>> Thanks! >>> >>> Tal >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wlug mailing list >>> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >>> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >> _______________________________________________ >> Wlug mailing list >> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Jan. 18, 2010

Re: [Wlug] Penetration Tester

by Gregory Boyce

I agree with most of what you're saying except I thinking you're mixing up vulnerability scanning with pen testing. A good pen tester will actually demonstrate the vulnerability and can find new issues in your custom web app code. The one benefit of pen testing would be convincing decision makers that the steps you outlined are necessary. On Jan 18, 2010, at 12:32 PM, Nick Nassar <nassar(a)alum.wpi.edu> wrote: > Don't bother. It's security theater. > > It easy to run automated tests, but the chance it will actually catch > something that you wouldn't know about by reading the proper security > mailing lists is negligible. > > These days most malware gets in through end users doing stupid things. > China hacked Google with a phishing attack. There's no completely > technical solution for that. Educate users as best you can. If > there's > sensitive data on your network, make sure only people who need access > have access. > > Assume that your network will be compromised. Have a strategy to > restore things quickly when that happens. > > > > Tal Cohen <wlug(a)cohen123.com> wrote: > >> I need a penetration tester (individual or firm) to run some tests >> against my >> network. >> >> Anyone have any recommendations they care to share? >> >> Thanks! >> >> Tal >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wlug mailing list >> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Jan. 18, 2010

Re: [Wlug] Penetration Tester

by Nick Nassar

Don't bother. It's security theater. It easy to run automated tests, but the chance it will actually catch something that you wouldn't know about by reading the proper security mailing lists is negligible. These days most malware gets in through end users doing stupid things. China hacked Google with a phishing attack. There's no completely technical solution for that. Educate users as best you can. If there's sensitive data on your network, make sure only people who need access have access. Assume that your network will be compromised. Have a strategy to restore things quickly when that happens. Tal Cohen <wlug(a)cohen123.com> wrote: > I need a penetration tester (individual or firm) to run some tests against my > network. > > Anyone have any recommendations they care to share? > > Thanks! > > Tal > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Jan. 18, 2010

Re: [Wlug] Penetration Tester

by Gregory Boyce

Never hired one myself, but I do know a number of them. Locally Netragard or Rapid 7 certainly have smart people working there. On Jan 15, 2010, at 4:07 PM, "Tal Cohen" <wlug(a)cohen123.com> wrote: > Thanks guys! > > I already run vulnerability scans. I need an actual pen-tester at > this point. > > Tal > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Gregory Boyce > To: Worcester Linux Users Group > Cc: Worcester Linux Users Group > Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 4:03 PM > Subject: Re: [Wlug] Penetration Tester > > On Jan 15, 2010, at 3:48 PM, Karl Hiramoto <karl(a)hiramoto.org> wrote: > >> On 15/01/2010 21:28, Tal Cohen wrote: >>> >>> I need a penetration tester (individual or firm) to run some tests >>> against my network. >>> >>> Anyone have any recommendations they care to share? >> >> 1st step would be to run nessus (http://www.nessus.org/nessus/) >> and nmap (http://nmap.org/) on your network > >> > > If you're talking about an external network you can also look at > Qualys's free scanning. > > http://www.qualys.com/products/trials > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Jan. 15, 2010

Re: [Wlug] Penetration Tester

by Tal Cohen

Thanks guys! I already run vulnerability scans. I need an actual pen-tester at this point. Tal ----- Original Message ----- From: Gregory Boyce To: Worcester Linux Users Group Cc: Worcester Linux Users Group Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 4:03 PM Subject: Re: [Wlug] Penetration Tester On Jan 15, 2010, at 3:48 PM, Karl Hiramoto <karl(a)hiramoto.org> wrote: On 15/01/2010 21:28, Tal Cohen wrote: I need a penetration tester (individual or firm) to run some tests against my network. Anyone have any recommendations they care to share? 1st step would be to run nessus (http://www.nessus.org/nessus/) and nmap (http://nmap.org/) on your network If you're talking about an external network you can also look at Qualys's free scanning. http://www.qualys.com/products/trials ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Jan. 15, 2010

Re: [Wlug] Penetration Tester

by Gregory Boyce

On Jan 15, 2010, at 3:48 PM, Karl Hiramoto <karl(a)hiramoto.org> wrote: > On 15/01/2010 21:28, Tal Cohen wrote: >> >> I need a penetration tester (individual or firm) to run some tests >> against my network. >> >> Anyone have any recommendations they care to share? > > 1st step would be to run nessus (http://www.nessus.org/nessus/) > and nmap (http://nmap.org/) on your network > If you're talking about an external network you can also look at Qualys's free scanning. http://www.qualys.com/products/trials

Jan. 15, 2010

Re: [Wlug] Penetration Tester

by Karl Hiramoto

On 15/01/2010 21:28, Tal Cohen wrote: > I need a penetration tester (individual or firm) to run some tests > against my network. > Anyone have any recommendations they care to share? 1st step would be to run nessus (http://www.nessus.org/nessus/) and nmap (http://nmap.org/) on your network

Jan. 15, 2010

Penetration Tester

by Tal Cohen

I need a penetration tester (individual or firm) to run some tests against my network. Anyone have any recommendations they care to share? Thanks! Tal

Jan. 15, 2010

Re: [Wlug] Up.Time

by Mike Peckar

This is a commercial software product I have not heard of, and I'm a specialist in enterprise management software. If you are looking for a great agentless app for systems, application and network management, check out opennms at http://www.opennms.org Free can be a great alternative to not, especially for SMBs, and agent-based apps require a lot of management overhead that smaller shops typically can't afford. Mike -----Original Message----- From: wlug-bounces(a)mail.wlug.org [mailto:wlug-bounces@mail.wlug.org] On Behalf Of Maurice Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 10:05 PM To: Worcester Linux Users Group Subject: [Wlug] Up.Time Anyone using, or have used, Up.Time software to monitor their servers? If so, what do you think of the product line? http://www.uptimesoftware.com/ Thanks -- -Maurice Pelletier Child Development Services - Cumberland County 50 Depot Road Falmouth, ME 04105 207-781-8881 (voice) 207-781-8855 (fax) www.cds-cumberland.org "Linux -- it's not just for breakfast anymore..." -Moe _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Jan. 15, 2010

Re: [Wlug] Up.Time

by Randall Mason

No, never used it. When I was setting up server monitoring at my previous company, we used Oreon, which is now Centreon. They are an open source GUI on top of Nagios so that you don't have to do all of the horrible NAGIOS configuration. It looks fairly similar to this Up.Time product though. It made setting up NAGIOS so easy. Check them out. Randall Mason randall(a)mason.ch On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 2:04 PM, Maurice <mauricep(a)cds-cumberland.org>wrote: > Anyone using, or have used, Up.Time software to monitor their servers? > If so, what do you think of the product line? > > > http://www.uptimesoftware.com/ > > > > Thanks > > > -- > -Maurice Pelletier > Child Development Services - Cumberland County > 50 Depot Road > Falmouth, ME 04105 > 207-781-8881 (voice) > 207-781-8855 (fax) > > www.cds-cumberland.org > > > "Linux -- it's not just for breakfast anymore..." > -Moe > > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

Jan. 15, 2010

Re: [Wlug] Up.Time

by Ardison Nicolas

It´s not GNU, maybe is like Nagios [1] (? ) . [1] http://www.nagios.org/ 2010/1/15 Maurice <mauricep(a)cds-cumberland.org> > Anyone using, or have used, Up.Time software to monitor their servers? > If so, what do you think of the product line? > > > http://www.uptimesoftware.com/ > > > > Thanks > > > -- > -Maurice Pelletier > Child Development Services - Cumberland County > 50 Depot Road > Falmouth, ME 04105 > 207-781-8881 (voice) > 207-781-8855 (fax) > > www.cds-cumberland.org > > > "Linux -- it's not just for breakfast anymore..." > -Moe > > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > -- Nicolas G. Ardison nicolas.ard(a)gmail.com http://www.buenosaireslibre.org http://ardsoluciones.com.ar/blog/ Quien quiere hacer algo, busca los medios. Quien no quiere hacer nada, busca una excusa.

Jan. 15, 2010

Up.Time

by Maurice

Anyone using, or have used, Up.Time software to monitor their servers? If so, what do you think of the product line? http://www.uptimesoftware.com/ Thanks -- -Maurice Pelletier Child Development Services - Cumberland County 50 Depot Road Falmouth, ME 04105 207-781-8881 (voice) 207-781-8855 (fax) www.cds-cumberland.org "Linux -- it's not just for breakfast anymore..." -Moe

Jan. 15, 2010

Upcoming Meeting: Thursday, January 14th

by Andy Stewart

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi Everybody, Reminder: We have a WLUG meeting coming up this week, Thursday, January 14th at 7:00 PM in the room with no name near the dining hall in Morgan Hall. If anybody would like to be the speaker for the meeting, please let me know and/or just bring your stuff to the meeting. We'll go out for pizza after the meeting. This time, I'll definitely be there! See ya soon, Andy - -- Andy Stewart (KB1OIQ) Founder: Worcester Linux Users' Group Founder: Chelmsford Linux Meetup Group President: PART of Westford, MA (WB1GOF) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFLS+fDOjiraCaOTOoRAhdTAJ9BnPgAwTYe3ci7dsI0nM3QSrrAQwCcDCxF 3x1Ab9lCUdOi+gfqwsn9bjM= =ArLl -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

Jan. 12, 2010

Re: [Wlug] Problem with wireless access point(?)

by Frank Sweetser

On 12/31/2009 5:37 PM, Jorden Mauro wrote: >> In fact, since the 5Ghz band has 19 non-overlapping channels, as >> opposed to 3 in 2.4Ghz, you're far more likely to have two adjacent >> clear channels available, giving you the option of running a 40Mhz >> wide channel instead of just 20Mhz, and therefore twice the bandwidth. >> > > I had no idea. I'll have to tinker with my router. I should also mention that 40Mhz channels are an optional feature in the 11n spec, so not all hardware will implement it. In other words, don't be surprised if you don't see it on SOHO class hardware. -- Frank Sweetser fs at wpi.edu | For every problem, there is a solution that WPI Senior Network Engineer | is simple, elegant, and wrong. - HL Mencken GPG fingerprint = 6174 1257 129E 0D21 D8D4 E8A3 8E39 29E3 E2E8 8CEC

Dec. 31, 2009

Re: [Wlug] Problem with wireless access point(?)

by Jorden Mauro

On Dec 31, 2009, at 5:21 PM, Frank Sweetser <fs(a)WPI.EDU> wrote: > On 12/31/2009 3:58 PM, Jorden Mauro wrote: >> On Thu, Dec 31, 2009 at 8:56 PM, Frank Sweetser<fs(a)wpi.edu> wrote: >>> On 12/31/2009 3:47 PM, Jorden Mauro wrote: >>> >>>> I've never been able to find a channel free from microwave oven >>>> interference, sadly. I'm convinced my ancient microwave puts out a >>>> wide spectrum and leaks plenty. >>> >>> Between cordless telephones, microwaves, bluetooth, and neighbors, >>> the only >>> reliable channel I've found is to ditch 2.4 altogether and use >>> something in >>> the 802.11a band. >> >> That's quite a bandwidth sacrifice if you've designed your network >> for n. > > Huh? 802.11n, unlike the a/b/g operating modes, isn't tied to one > particular band - it'll happily operate in either 2.4Ghz or 5Ghz. > Some particular models only support one band or the other, but > that's an implementation limitation, not one in the spec. > > In fact, since the 5Ghz band has 19 non-overlapping channels, as > opposed to 3 in 2.4Ghz, you're far more likely to have two adjacent > clear channels available, giving you the option of running a 40Mhz > wide channel instead of just 20Mhz, and therefore twice the bandwidth. > I had no idea. I'll have to tinker with my router. > -- > Frank Sweetser fs at wpi.edu | For every problem, there is a > solution that > WPI Senior Network Engineer | is simple, elegant, and wrong. - HL > Mencken > GPG fingerprint = 6174 1257 129E 0D21 D8D4 E8A3 8E39 29E3 E2E8 > 8CEC

Dec. 31, 2009

Re: [Wlug] Problem with wireless access point(?)

by Frank Sweetser

On 12/31/2009 3:58 PM, Jorden Mauro wrote: > On Thu, Dec 31, 2009 at 8:56 PM, Frank Sweetser<fs(a)wpi.edu> wrote: >> On 12/31/2009 3:47 PM, Jorden Mauro wrote: >> >>> I've never been able to find a channel free from microwave oven >>> interference, sadly. I'm convinced my ancient microwave puts out a >>> wide spectrum and leaks plenty. >> >> Between cordless telephones, microwaves, bluetooth, and neighbors, the only >> reliable channel I've found is to ditch 2.4 altogether and use something in >> the 802.11a band. > > That's quite a bandwidth sacrifice if you've designed your network for n. Huh? 802.11n, unlike the a/b/g operating modes, isn't tied to one particular band - it'll happily operate in either 2.4Ghz or 5Ghz. Some particular models only support one band or the other, but that's an implementation limitation, not one in the spec. In fact, since the 5Ghz band has 19 non-overlapping channels, as opposed to 3 in 2.4Ghz, you're far more likely to have two adjacent clear channels available, giving you the option of running a 40Mhz wide channel instead of just 20Mhz, and therefore twice the bandwidth. -- Frank Sweetser fs at wpi.edu | For every problem, there is a solution that WPI Senior Network Engineer | is simple, elegant, and wrong. - HL Mencken GPG fingerprint = 6174 1257 129E 0D21 D8D4 E8A3 8E39 29E3 E2E8 8CEC

Dec. 31, 2009

Re: [Wlug] Problem with wireless access point(?)

by Andy Stewart

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 E Johnson wrote: > Thanks Andy. > > For clarification: > >> Then, I turned on the phone and immediately saw > the wifi come to a screeching halt. > > turned on -- Did you initiate an actual phone call (TX & RX sigs) at > this point, or do you mean that you plugged in the telephone base unit > to the power and the phone line? Hi Liz, I specifically removed the handset from the base of the telephone and turned on the handset. That allows me to hear the dial tone, which I'm sure causes a radio signal to be initiated between the handset and the base. > >> In addition, I ran kismet and sniffed the local wireless networks. I >> can see networks from 3 of my neighbors. Ch 3 is not in use by any of them. > > Tomato on my Linksys will detect nearby wireless sigs & indicate what > channel they're using, plus several more details about them. My > Linksys has about 16 MD of memory, long may it live. I have seriously considered putting Tomato on my WRT54GL but I haven't done it yet. HTH, Andy - -- Andy Stewart (KB1OIQ) Founder: Worcester Linux Users' Group Founder: Chelmsford Linux Meetup Group President: PART of Westford, MA (WB1GOF) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFLPSLLOjiraCaOTOoRAjEXAJ4u7bezzZ45bQyE07/G+0WExk+x3wCg3N7u BkCUqxGoHYW9yVJkHKeEC8g= =lT55 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

Dec. 31, 2009

Re: [Wlug] Problem with wireless access point(?)

by Jorden Mauro

On Thu, Dec 31, 2009 at 8:56 PM, Frank Sweetser <fs(a)wpi.edu> wrote: > On 12/31/2009 3:47 PM, Jorden Mauro wrote: > >> I've never been able to find a channel free from microwave oven >> interference, sadly. I'm convinced my ancient microwave puts out a >> wide spectrum and leaks plenty. > > Between cordless telephones, microwaves, bluetooth, and neighbors, the only > reliable channel I've found is to ditch 2.4 altogether and use something in > the 802.11a band. That's quite a bandwidth sacrifice if you've designed your network for n. > > -- > Frank Sweetser fs at wpi.edu | For every problem, there is a solution that > WPI Senior Network Engineer | is simple, elegant, and wrong. - HL Mencken > GPG fingerprint = 6174 1257 129E 0D21 D8D4 E8A3 8E39 29E3 E2E8 8CEC >

Dec. 31, 2009

Re: [Wlug] Problem with wireless access point(?)

by Frank Sweetser

On 12/31/2009 3:47 PM, Jorden Mauro wrote: > I've never been able to find a channel free from microwave oven > interference, sadly. I'm convinced my ancient microwave puts out a > wide spectrum and leaks plenty. Between cordless telephones, microwaves, bluetooth, and neighbors, the only reliable channel I've found is to ditch 2.4 altogether and use something in the 802.11a band. -- Frank Sweetser fs at wpi.edu | For every problem, there is a solution that WPI Senior Network Engineer | is simple, elegant, and wrong. - HL Mencken GPG fingerprint = 6174 1257 129E 0D21 D8D4 E8A3 8E39 29E3 E2E8 8CEC

Dec. 31, 2009

Re: [Wlug] Wlug Digest, Vol 74, Issue 14

by E Johnson

Thanks Karl, > What's humorous is the difference between the words "Default" and "default". > Most routers may allow you to log on, but subsequent packets of data may not > verify correctly, hence the speed loss. So these packets are being checked maybe more than once, to make sure they are really, really allowed to go where they're supposed to go. That's what I think was happening with mine. Luckily I managed to get a wire down to my room here, so I had the luxury of taking a break from trying to get this right. But I'll be back, since before the summertime I do want get the wireless working well in the non-wired parts of the house. If you feel like sharing sometime, I would be interested in seeing what your file /etc/network/interfaces looks like (minus the psk & stuff, of course). TY Liz

Dec. 31, 2009

Re: [Wlug] Problem with wireless access point(?)

by Jorden Mauro

On Thu, Dec 31, 2009 at 5:08 AM, Andy Stewart <andystewart(a)comcast.net> wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > John Stoffel wrote: >> Andy> There were a lot of suggestions in your email - thanks! >> >> You're welcome! >> >> Andy> I'll need time to try them out. I'll report back when I get more data. >> >> Good luck with it. > > Hi gang, > > OK, I think I have succeeded in fixing the problem. Here's what I did: > > a) reset the Linksys box > > b) picked a new radio frequency that does *not* have interference issues > with my 2.4GHz wireless telephone...(I haven't tried the microwave oven > yet...). I've never been able to find a channel free from microwave oven interference, sadly. I'm convinced my ancient microwave puts out a wide spectrum and leaks plenty. > > c) insured that the Linksys box was in Gateway mode (vs. router mode > which seems not to work for me). > > After doing these three things, my laptop with 802.11g capability can > download files off of my server at a sustained rate of 13Mbits/sec > according to iptraf, or 1.4Mbytes/sec according to sftp. This is one > laptop doing one download, no other computers on the wireless network. > This is *much* faster that what I was previously able to sustain. > > On my older laptop with only 802.11b capability, by itself, I repeated > the same experiment and saw a rate of 425Kbytes/sec according to sftp, > or 3.7Mbits/sec according to iptraf. > > With both computers downloading simultaneously, the wireless net > naturally downshifted to the lower speed. When I turned off the > download on the slower computer, the speed quickly increased for the > faster laptop. > > The aforementioned data rates have been sustained for at least 15 > minutes, where before, I couldn't do this for even 1-2 minutes. > > I think I can declare victory. Thanks for the help! > > Happy New Year! > > Andy > > - -- > Andy Stewart (KB1OIQ) > Founder: Worcester Linux Users' Group > Founder: Chelmsford Linux Meetup Group > President: PART of Westford, MA (WB1GOF) > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > > iD8DBQFLPDHrOjiraCaOTOoRAhGOAKDGbFyuNUwoNtBZyP8pqEA9yUUFIwCgmP4n > m+svFxGvxXhKue9emJlWjG8= > =/Mkl > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

Dec. 31, 2009

Re: [Wlug] Problem with wireless access point(?)

by E Johnson

Thanks Andy. For clarification: > Then, I turned on the phone and immediately saw the wifi come to a screeching halt. turned on -- Did you initiate an actual phone call (TX & RX sigs) at this point, or do you mean that you plugged in the telephone base unit to the power and the phone line? > In addition, I ran kismet and sniffed the local wireless networks. I > can see networks from 3 of my neighbors. Ch 3 is not in use by any of them. Tomato on my Linksys will detect nearby wireless sigs & indicate what channel they're using, plus several more details about them. My Linksys has about 16 MD of memory, long may it live. TY Liz

Dec. 31, 2009

Re: [Wlug] Wlug Digest, Vol 74, Issue 14

by Karl Lind

Karl had posted an answer about the Linksys (under the subject line "Re: [Wlug] Wlug Digest, Vol 74, Issue 13") One comment in there I found very interesting: > Now this is going to blow your mind, but if there is ANY difference in the Workgroup name between the router and the computers, it causes the router to "restrict" bandwidth. Does this only apply to various forms of filesharing, or to all wireless traffic through the WRT54GL? I (and my housemates) are not doing big downloads, and not using Samba. Maybe one of the Windows PCs here might occasionally d/l a movie. But in experimenting with wireless here, using one or other of my Debian PCs, Tomato on the Linksys, I also thought the wireless worked rather slow, even though we have a +20MBps connection. Mostly what I was doing was browsing. Do all computers using wireless here have to belong to the same Workgroup, no matter what kind of internet traffic they're doing? If I do need a Workgroup name for the router, how do I do that? Thanks, Liz J Hi Liz What's humorous is the difference between the words "Default" and "default". Most routers may allow you to log on, but subsequent packets of data may not verify correctly, hence the speed loss. As noted by Andy, wireless always defaults to the slowest speed connected. (I seem to have a lot of neighbors that try to break in to my network and when they do at G, B or even A speed the router slows and that tells me that somethings up and I can do something about it.) Karl

Dec. 31, 2009

Re: [Wlug] Problem with wireless access point(?)

by Andy Stewart

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 E Johnson wrote: > I have a question for Andy and then one for Karl. > > Andy: > >> b) picked a new radio frequency that does *not* have interference issues >> with my 2.4GHz wireless telephone...(I haven't tried the microwave oven >> yet...). > > What freq did you find that the 2.4GHz wireless telephone did not > interfere with? What channel did you finally end up using? Hi Liz, My telephone caused problems on Ch 1 and Ch 2, but Ch 3 is OK. Here's how I figured this out. I setup the network on Ch 1 and got some downloads working well. Then, I turned on the phone and immediately saw the wifi come to a screeching halt. Turn off the phone, and the wifi bounces back. One can see this with the ping command as well. I had been using Ch 10 with unpredictable results. It turns out that one of my neighbors is using Ch 10. In addition, I ran kismet and sniffed the local wireless networks. I can see networks from 3 of my neighbors. Ch 3 is not in use by any of them. Happy New Year! Andy - -- Andy Stewart (KB1OIQ) Founder: Worcester Linux Users' Group Founder: Chelmsford Linux Meetup Group President: PART of Westford, MA (WB1GOF) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFLPNOBOjiraCaOTOoRAgglAJ9KpXpYYu1MUKcKhjfB/PyplrV/fwCeO+ja 4pxMQW08B6JSGMFYOPaFo98= =3aVW -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

Dec. 31, 2009

Re: [Wlug] Problem with wireless access point(?)

by E Johnson

I have a question for Andy and then one for Karl. Andy: > b) picked a new radio frequency that does *not* have interference issues > with my 2.4GHz wireless telephone...(I haven't tried the microwave oven > yet...). What freq did you find that the 2.4GHz wireless telephone did not interfere with? What channel did you finally end up using? ---------------------------------------------- Karl had posted an answer about the Linksys (under the subject line "Re: [Wlug] Wlug Digest, Vol 74, Issue 13") One comment in there I found very interesting: > Now this is going to blow your mind, but if there is ANY difference in the Workgroup name between the router and the computers, it causes the router to "restrict" bandwidth. Does this only apply to various forms of filesharing, or to all wireless traffic through the WRT54GL? I (and my housemates) are not doing big downloads, and not using Samba. Maybe one of the Windows PCs here might occasionally d/l a movie. But in experimenting with wireless here, using one or other of my Debian PCs, Tomato on the Linksys, I also thought the wireless worked rather slow, even though we have a +20MBps connection. Mostly what I was doing was browsing. Do all computers using wireless here have to belong to the same Workgroup, no matter what kind of internet traffic they're doing? If I do need a Workgroup name for the router, how do I do that? Thanks, Liz J

Dec. 31, 2009

Re: [Wlug] Problem with wireless access point(?)

by Andy Stewart

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 John Stoffel wrote: > Andy> There were a lot of suggestions in your email - thanks! > > You're welcome! > > Andy> I'll need time to try them out. I'll report back when I get more data. > > Good luck with it. Hi gang, OK, I think I have succeeded in fixing the problem. Here's what I did: a) reset the Linksys box b) picked a new radio frequency that does *not* have interference issues with my 2.4GHz wireless telephone...(I haven't tried the microwave oven yet...). c) insured that the Linksys box was in Gateway mode (vs. router mode which seems not to work for me). After doing these three things, my laptop with 802.11g capability can download files off of my server at a sustained rate of 13Mbits/sec according to iptraf, or 1.4Mbytes/sec according to sftp. This is one laptop doing one download, no other computers on the wireless network. This is *much* faster that what I was previously able to sustain. On my older laptop with only 802.11b capability, by itself, I repeated the same experiment and saw a rate of 425Kbytes/sec according to sftp, or 3.7Mbits/sec according to iptraf. With both computers downloading simultaneously, the wireless net naturally downshifted to the lower speed. When I turned off the download on the slower computer, the speed quickly increased for the faster laptop. The aforementioned data rates have been sustained for at least 15 minutes, where before, I couldn't do this for even 1-2 minutes. I think I can declare victory. Thanks for the help! Happy New Year! Andy - -- Andy Stewart (KB1OIQ) Founder: Worcester Linux Users' Group Founder: Chelmsford Linux Meetup Group President: PART of Westford, MA (WB1GOF) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFLPDHrOjiraCaOTOoRAhGOAKDGbFyuNUwoNtBZyP8pqEA9yUUFIwCgmP4n m+svFxGvxXhKue9emJlWjG8= =/Mkl -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

Dec. 31, 2009

Re: [Wlug] Wlug Digest, Vol 74, Issue 13

by Karl Lind

FYI WRT54GL Linksys released the *WRT54GL* in 2005 to support third-party firmware based on Linux <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_kernel>, after the original WRT54G line was switched from Linux to VxWorks<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VxWorks>, starting with version 5. The WRT54GL is technically a reissue of the version 4 WRT54G. Cisco was sued by the FSF<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FSF_vs._Cisco>for copyright infringement, but the case was settled. [6]<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linksys_WRT54G_series#cite_note-GPLInfringemen…> Version [image: ↓] <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linksys_WRT54G_series#> CPU <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_processing_unit> speed [image: ↓]<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linksys_WRT54G_series#> RAM <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RAM> [image: ↓]<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linksys_WRT54G_series#> Flash memory <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flash_memory> [image: ↓]<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linksys_WRT54G_series#> S/N <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serial_number> Prefix [image: ↓]<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linksys_WRT54G_series#> Notes [image: ↓] <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linksys_WRT54G_series#> 1.0 200 MHz 16 MB 4 MB CL7A New model line, released after the version 5 WRT54G, which returns to a Linux-based OS as opposed to the VxWorks firmware. SpeedBooster <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SpeedBooster> is not enabled in stock firmware, however third-party firmware will enable the feature. The hardware is essentially the same as the WRT54G version 4.0. One alteration is that the internal numbering scheme of the 4-port switch changed in this model, from 1 2 3 4, to 3 2 1 0. 1.1 200 MHz 16 MB 4 MB CL7B CL7C As of August, 2009, this version was shipping with firmware revision 4.30.11. This pre-loaded firmware allows the user to upload a 4MB firmware image, whereas the pre-loaded firmware on version 1.0 limited the image to 3MB. Firmware version 4.30.13 is now available for both hardware versions. Fully supported by Tomato <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tomato_Firmware>, Sveasoft<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sveasoft>, OpenWrt <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenWrt>, and DD-WRT<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DD-WRT> . Hardware versions affect firmware compatibility As of January 2006, most third-party firmware is no longer compatible with version 5 of both the WRT54G and the WRT54GS. The amount of flash memory in the version 5 devices has been reduced to 2 MB, too small for current Linux-based third-party firmware. (See table above for information on identifying the version based on the serial number printed on the bottom of the unit, and on the outside of the shrink-wrapped retail box.) Some users have succeeded in flashing and running a stripped down but fully functional version of DD-WRT called 'micro' on a version 5 WRT54G.[21]<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linksys_WRT54G_series#cite_note-20> [22] <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linksys_WRT54G_series#cite_note-21> An easier method not requiring any disassembly of the device has since been devised for flashing v5-v8 to DD-WRT.[23]<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linksys_WRT54G_series#cite_note-22> [24] <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linksys_WRT54G_series#cite_note-23> To support third-party firmware, Linksys has re-released the WRT54G v4, under the new model name *WRT54GL* (the 'L' in this name allegedly stands for 'Linux'). It is also possible to replace the 2MB flash chip in the WRT54G with a 4MB flash chip. The Macronix International 29LV320BTC-90 is a suitable part although others may work as well. The user must first install a JTAG header <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JTAG_header> and use a JTAG cable to backup the firmware,then replace the chip and restore the firmware with the JTAG cable. After testing for proper functionality of the modified unit,3rd party firmware can be flashed using the JTAG cable and a suitable image file. Now this is going to blow your mind, but if there is ANY difference in the Workgroup name between the router and the computers, it causes the router to "restrict" bandwidth. Crazy, but true. Also make sure your hardware all matches. (802,11B, G, N) Have you tried disabling DHT and NOT forwarding UDP? (In case it's a memory issue) Just my two cents.... Karl On Wed, Dec 30, 2009 at 12:00 PM, <wlug-request(a)mail.wlug.org> wrote: > Send Wlug mailing list submissions to > wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > wlug-request(a)mail.wlug.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > wlug-owner(a)mail.wlug.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Wlug digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Problem with wireless access point(?) (Andy Stewart) > 2. Re: Problem with wireless access point(?) (John Stoffel) > 3. Re: Problem with wireless access point(?) (Andy Stewart) > 4. Re: Problem with wireless access point(?) (John Stoffel) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 15:32:41 -0500 > From: Andy Stewart <andystewart(a)comcast.net> > Subject: [Wlug] Problem with wireless access point(?) > To: Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> > Message-ID: <4B3A6769.8080701(a)comcast.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > > Hi gang, > > I just purchased a Linksys WRT54GL wireless access point. Currently, it > is running the stock firmware (upgraded to the latest version). I may > put Linux on it sometime in the near future. > > While I can get connected to it with my Linux laptop, I notice that file > transfers start at a screamingly fast rate, and within a minute or two, > drop to barely a trickle. > > When I used an entirely hard wired connection, I have no such problem. > > Has anybody else noticed this with the Linksys WRT54GL? If so, will the > Linux software solve this problem? > > I don't believe that the problem lies with the wireless > hardware/software in my laptop since I have used it on other wireless > access points without problems. > > Thanks, > > Andy > > - -- > Andy Stewart (KB1OIQ) > Founder: Worcester Linux Users' Group > Founder: Chelmsford Linux Meetup Group > President: PART of Westford, MA (WB1GOF) > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > > iD8DBQFLOmdpOjiraCaOTOoRAqsRAKDjaKrNykXKburz0IozXi8bQn1nfACgj66G > oJqD9jfjXolyrVPLN3lDFOY= > =6xJa > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > >

Dec. 31, 2009

Re: [Wlug] Problem with wireless access point(?)

by John Stoffel

Andy> There were a lot of suggestions in your email - thanks! You're welcome! Andy> I'll need time to try them out. I'll report back when I get more data. Good luck with it. Also, more info that would be nice to know: distro, version, kernel version, modules loaded, etc. You might be using old drivers, etc. John

Dec. 30, 2009

Re: [Wlug] Problem with wireless access point(?)

by Andy Stewart

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 HI John et al, There were a lot of suggestions in your email - thanks! I'll need time to try them out. I'll report back when I get more data. Thanks again, and Happy New Year! Andy - -- Andy Stewart (KB1OIQ) Founder: Worcester Linux Users' Group Founder: Chelmsford Linux Meetup Group President: PART of Westford, MA (WB1GOF) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFLOpuYOjiraCaOTOoRAnJXAJ9oqTAL9SjQKY8G9K3X06vY7HbX0gCeO1BI RaozqrEjetmfoFlCfKDgSyI= =kHMx -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

Dec. 30, 2009

Re: [Wlug] Problem with wireless access point(?)

by John Stoffel

Andy> I just purchased a Linksys WRT54GL wireless access point. Andy> Currently, it is running the stock firmware (upgraded to the Andy> latest version). I may put Linux on it sometime in the near Andy> future. Heh, isn't the stock firmware Linux of some sort already? *grin* Andy> While I can get connected to it with my Linux laptop, I notice Andy> that file transfers start at a screamingly fast rate, and within Andy> a minute or two, drop to barely a trickle. What does 'netstat -ni' say during this time? What protocol are you using to copy the file? Are you seeing funky ping times? Any dmesg info? What hardware are you using on each end? What does tcpdump say during the transfer? Are you seeing dropped packets? What wireless hardware is in your laptop? Do you have security on? What happens if you turn off all security? Andy> When I used an entirely hard wired connection, I have no such Andy> problem. It's almost certainly something with the wireless network, but it's not clear where. Andy> Has anybody else noticed this with the Linksys WRT54GL? If so, Andy> will the Linux software solve this problem? You could try the 'tomato' or ddwrt (ddrwrt?) firmwares. But I think we need more details first. Andy> I don't believe that the problem lies with the wireless Andy> hardware/software in my laptop since I have used it on other Andy> wireless access points without problems. Could be anything. After you upgraded, did you do a full reset of the WRT54GL and then re-configure to your settings? Good luck! John

Dec. 29, 2009

Problem with wireless access point(?)

by Andy Stewart

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi gang, I just purchased a Linksys WRT54GL wireless access point. Currently, it is running the stock firmware (upgraded to the latest version). I may put Linux on it sometime in the near future. While I can get connected to it with my Linux laptop, I notice that file transfers start at a screamingly fast rate, and within a minute or two, drop to barely a trickle. When I used an entirely hard wired connection, I have no such problem. Has anybody else noticed this with the Linksys WRT54GL? If so, will the Linux software solve this problem? I don't believe that the problem lies with the wireless hardware/software in my laptop since I have used it on other wireless access points without problems. Thanks, Andy - -- Andy Stewart (KB1OIQ) Founder: Worcester Linux Users' Group Founder: Chelmsford Linux Meetup Group President: PART of Westford, MA (WB1GOF) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFLOmdpOjiraCaOTOoRAqsRAKDjaKrNykXKburz0IozXi8bQn1nfACgj66G oJqD9jfjXolyrVPLN3lDFOY= =6xJa -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

Dec. 29, 2009

Re: [Wlug] REMINDER: WLUG Meeting on Thursday

by Gregory Avedissian

And if you look to the right as you're approaching the steps that lead into the wedge, you'll see the outside of the room. Greg Andy Stewart wrote: > > Hi Everybody, > > Our regularly scheduled monthly WLUG meeting will be held this coming > Thursday at 7:00 PM on the WPI Campus. We'll be in the same room as the > last couple of months (and soon I'll have to figure out what to call > this room). If you come into the Wedge between Morgan Hall and Daniels > Hall, you will see signs directing you to the meeting. > > See ya there! > > Andy > _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Dec. 16, 2009

REMINDER: WLUG Meeting on Thursday

by Andy Stewart

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi Everybody, Our regularly scheduled monthly WLUG meeting will be held this coming Thursday at 7:00 PM on the WPI Campus. We'll be in the same room as the last couple of months (and soon I'll have to figure out what to call this room). If you come into the Wedge between Morgan Hall and Daniels Hall, you will see signs directing you to the meeting. See ya there! Andy - -- Andy Stewart (KB1OIQ) Founder: Worcester Linux Users' Group Founder: Chelmsford Linux Meetup Group President: PART of Westford, MA (WB1GOF) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFLKETFOjiraCaOTOoRAopQAKCOgU1nejHhTpiEtBzhckrFh5CklgCg4qig avz63VDAYiIIfaUhSBJQyWU= =0RbS -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

Dec. 16, 2009

Re: [Wlug] Mounting Windows Shares on Solaris

by Randall Mason

This is the magic of GNOME's vfs. No mounting and it looks like files. It's like a GNOME centric FUSE that has existed for years. The Java desktop is just a little SUN paint on top of GNOME; it has absolutely nothing to do with Java, that's just SUN's highest value trademark... -Randall On 12/14/09, Chuck Noyes <vze284qe(a)verizon.net> wrote: > > Answering my own post... > > If I bring up the Java desktop and go to "Network Places" and enter > "smb://Windows-hostname/share", it works - I can see the files on the > Windows host. > > I have no idea how this works! Nothing gets mounted - the mount command > shows the windows host isn't mounted. Is this accomplished through the > "magic" of Java? > I can't figure out how to do this through the command line, which is what I > really need to do. > > I'll keep at it and see what happens. > > -Chuck > > > On Dec 12, 2009, at 11:09 AM, Chuck Noyes wrote: > >> Hi All, >> >> Maybe a bit [OT], but I've got a Solaris 10u8 host, and I'd like to be >> able to mount a Windows share on the Solaris box. >> I don't think Solaris supports the smbfs or cifs file systems (at least I >> can't find any evidence of it). So a command like: >> "mount -F smbfs //windows-host/share /mnt" won't work. >> >> Has anyone done this? I've installed all the samba executables in /usr/bin >> and in /usr/sbin on the Solaris box, so there is samba support in Solaris, >> but I can't seem to mount the Windows share. >> >> TIA, >> -Chuck >> _______________________________________________ >> Wlug mailing list >> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > -- Randall Mason randall(a)mason.ch

Dec. 15, 2009

Re: [Wlug] Mounting Windows Shares on Solaris

by Brian Conway

You can probably do the same with 'smbclient'. I imagine the desktop navigation tool is using the Samba libraries to connect, both of which should all work without any kernel support for the filesystem. Brian On Mon, 14 Dec 2009 19:20:57 -0500 Chuck Noyes <vze284qe(a)verizon.net> wrote: > > Answering my own post... > > If I bring up the Java desktop and go to "Network Places" and enter > "smb://Windows-hostname/share", it works - I can see the files on the > Windows host. > > I have no idea how this works! Nothing gets mounted - the mount > command shows the windows host isn't mounted. Is this accomplished > through the "magic" of Java? I can't figure out how to do this through > the command line, which is what I really need to do. > > I'll keep at it and see what happens. > > -Chuck >

Dec. 15, 2009

Re: [Wlug] Mounting Windows Shares on Solaris

by Chuck Noyes

Answering my own post... If I bring up the Java desktop and go to "Network Places" and enter "smb://Windows-hostname/share", it works - I can see the files on the Windows host. I have no idea how this works! Nothing gets mounted - the mount command shows the windows host isn't mounted. Is this accomplished through the "magic" of Java? I can't figure out how to do this through the command line, which is what I really need to do. I'll keep at it and see what happens. -Chuck On Dec 12, 2009, at 11:09 AM, Chuck Noyes wrote: > Hi All, > > Maybe a bit [OT], but I've got a Solaris 10u8 host, and I'd like to be able to mount a Windows share on the Solaris box. > I don't think Solaris supports the smbfs or cifs file systems (at least I can't find any evidence of it). So a command like: > "mount -F smbfs //windows-host/share /mnt" won't work. > > Has anyone done this? I've installed all the samba executables in /usr/bin and in /usr/sbin on the Solaris box, so there is samba support in Solaris, > but I can't seem to mount the Windows share. > > TIA, > -Chuck > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Dec. 15, 2009

[Fwd: Holiday Greetings & a Special User Group Offer from Wiley Publishing]

by Andy Stewart

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Dec. 14, 2009

Re: [Wlug] Mounting Windows Shares on Solaris

by Adam Gomes

Is it Solaris or OpenSolaris? If it's OpenSolaris, It does support FUSE, and you can probably abstract the SMB stuff through fuse. If not, then the proposed NFS solution is probably your only option. Solaris supported File Systems: http://sun.systemnews.com/articles/123/4/sw/19848 On Sat, Dec 12, 2009 at 11:09 AM, Chuck Noyes <vze284qe(a)verizon.net> wrote: > Hi All, > > Maybe a bit [OT], but I've got a Solaris 10u8 host, and I'd like to be able > to mount a Windows share on the Solaris box. > I don't think Solaris supports the smbfs or cifs file systems (at least I > can't find any evidence of it). So a command like: > "mount -F smbfs //windows-host/share /mnt" won't work. > > Has anyone done this? I've installed all the samba executables in /usr/bin > and in /usr/sbin on the Solaris box, so there is samba support in Solaris, > but I can't seem to mount the Windows share. > > TIA, > -Chuck > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

Dec. 14, 2009

Re: [Wlug] Mounting Windows Shares on Solaris

by Randall Mason

I would share the share via NFS. Windows supports this: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/324086 or http://support.microsoft.com/kb/324089 Randall Mason On Sat, Dec 12, 2009 at 11:09 AM, Chuck Noyes <vze284qe(a)verizon.net> wrote: > Hi All, > > Maybe a bit [OT], but I've got a Solaris 10u8 host, and I'd like to be able > to mount a Windows share on the Solaris box. > I don't think Solaris supports the smbfs or cifs file systems (at least I > can't find any evidence of it). So a command like: > "mount -F smbfs //windows-host/share /mnt" won't work. > > Has anyone done this? I've installed all the samba executables in /usr/bin > and in /usr/sbin on the Solaris box, so there is samba support in Solaris, > but I can't seem to mount the Windows share. > > TIA, > -Chuck > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

Dec. 12, 2009

Re: [Wlug] Mounting Windows Shares on Solaris

by Jorden Mauro

On Linux, you need to fiddle with the kernel to mount new filesystem types. I would think it's the same with Slowlaris. Unless they have something like FUSE. There might be a module you need to compile/load. I'm pretty sure I've seen it done, though. On Dec 12, 2009, at 11:09 AM, Chuck Noyes <vze284qe(a)verizon.net> wrote: > Hi All, > > Maybe a bit [OT], but I've got a Solaris 10u8 host, and I'd like to > be able to mount a Windows share on the Solaris box. > I don't think Solaris supports the smbfs or cifs file systems (at > least I can't find any evidence of it). So a command like: > "mount -F smbfs //windows-host/share /mnt" won't work. > > Has anyone done this? I've installed all the samba executables in / > usr/bin and in /usr/sbin on the Solaris box, so there is samba > support in Solaris, > but I can't seem to mount the Windows share. > > TIA, > -Chuck > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Dec. 12, 2009

Mounting Windows Shares on Solaris

by Chuck Noyes

Hi All, Maybe a bit [OT], but I've got a Solaris 10u8 host, and I'd like to be able to mount a Windows share on the Solaris box. I don't think Solaris supports the smbfs or cifs file systems (at least I can't find any evidence of it). So a command like: "mount -F smbfs //windows-host/share /mnt" won't work. Has anyone done this? I've installed all the samba executables in /usr/bin and in /usr/sbin on the Solaris box, so there is samba support in Solaris, but I can't seem to mount the Windows share. TIA, -Chuck

Dec. 12, 2009

Re: [Wlug] GnuPG Documentation

by Adam Gomes

I know I read it somewhere some time ago. *shrug* I don't recall where now, though. On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 10:46 AM, Gary Hanley <gary(a)hanley.net> wrote: > On Fri, 4 Dec 2009, Adam Gomes wrote: > > Intent of the key's use: > > > > "C" for certification > > "S" for signing, > > "E" for encryption > > "A" for authentification. > > Thanks Adam. Was there a source for this information, other than maybe > the source code? > > -- Gary > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

Dec. 7, 2009

Re: [Wlug] GnuPG Documentation

by Gary Hanley

On Fri, 4 Dec 2009, Adam Gomes wrote: > Intent of the key's use: > > "C" for certification > "S" for signing, > "E" for encryption > "A" for authentification. Thanks Adam. Was there a source for this information, other than maybe the source code? -- Gary

Dec. 5, 2009

Re: [Wlug] GnuPG Documentation

by Adam Gomes

Intent of the key's use: "C" for certification "S" for signing, "E" for encryption "A" for authentification. --Adam On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 11:55 AM, Gary Hanley <gary(a)hanley.net> wrote: > My head hurts! Can anyone help? :-) > > I'm googling like crazy but for the life of me can not find any > information on the values of the usage flags displayed in GnuPG > when you --edit-key and list. > > For example (from a website): > > pub 4096R/7C11053D created: 2009-10-12 expires: never usage: SC > trust: ultimate validity: ultimate > sub 4096R/55D59203 created: 2009-10-12 expires: never usage: E > > Maybe it's obvious but does anyone know the value of "SC" and "E". > And, how about the value of all potential flags? My problem involves > other flags. > > I assumed I could find this in 30 seconds. No go. I can't find > anything about key details. > > So any help would be appreciated. Thanks! > > -- Gary > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

Dec. 4, 2009

GnuPG Documentation

by Gary Hanley

My head hurts! Can anyone help? :-) I'm googling like crazy but for the life of me can not find any information on the values of the usage flags displayed in GnuPG when you --edit-key and list. For example (from a website): pub 4096R/7C11053D created: 2009-10-12 expires: never usage: SC trust: ultimate validity: ultimate sub 4096R/55D59203 created: 2009-10-12 expires: never usage: E Maybe it's obvious but does anyone know the value of "SC" and "E". And, how about the value of all potential flags? My problem involves other flags. I assumed I could find this in 30 seconds. No go. I can't find anything about key details. So any help would be appreciated. Thanks! -- Gary

Dec. 4, 2009

Re: [Wlug] iphone issues, python, server.

by kevin poisant

Ok, ill use my android for this one. Nix based I'm sure you know. Anyway my newest projects include an openbsd firewall. Either a free or open bsd server for private and a few friends use. My dell laptop is a joke and my debian box is stable for once having troubles with *pythonwx-2.8 and its related packages so playonlinux is not installable till I at least solve the problem. All the gpgkeys are in order and apt-get update etc pulls no errors so the mirror I'm using isn't bad or being ignores. - thanks kevin On Dec 3, 2009 12:00 PM, <wlug-request(a)mail.wlug.org> wrote: Send Wlug mailing list submissions to wlug(a)mail.wlug.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to wlug-request(a)mail.wlug.org You can reach the person managing the list at wlug-owner(a)mail.wlug.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Wlug digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Reply to Wlug Digest, rant (Keith Wright) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 14:02:58 -0500 From: Keith Wright <kwright(a)keithdiane.us> Subject: [Wlug] Reply to Wlug Digest, rant To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org Message-ID: <200912021902.nB2J2w1H006533(a)fcs13.keithdiane.us> > From: kpoisant(a)gmail.com > > Well you can havem when ever they are vga and both work Very generous, I'm sure. I don't want them right now, but had the message been addressed to the person who did, instead of the whole list, ... Maybe the person who asked for a monitor can keep us updated. > Sent from my iPhone There are three possibilities: (1) The iPhone puts that message there, you can't change it. Tell the marketing department it isn't working; I count that as a reason to flee. (2) You think we care. Maybe you can give a talk on Linux-iPhone interoperability. Otherwise no. (3) Most likely, you don't know how, or can't be bothered, to change the default to something useful like your name and phone number or something short like $(cat /dev/null). Which brings me to the point of the rant: > On Dec 2, 2009, at 12:00 PM, wlug-request(a)mail.wlug.org wrote: > > > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more > > specific than "Re: Contents of Wlug digest..." and while you are at it, why not trim off the contents from the body, keeping only what is relevant to the reply. In the case of this rant, the only part relevant is the impressive stack of appended noise. > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Wlug mailing list > >> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > >> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > >> > > -- > > David P. Connell > > davec99(a)charter.net > > M: 508-450-7902 > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > > Name: davec99.vcf > > Type: text/x-vcard > > Size: 125 bytes > > Desc: not available > > Url : http://mail.wlug.org/pipermail/wlug/attachments/20091201/d3b0a16e/attachmen… > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wlug mailing list > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > > > End of Wlug Digest, Vol 74, Issue 2 > > *********************************** > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug I feel like an idiot, talking to a mailing list. -- Keith ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug End of Wlug Digest, Vol 74, Issue 4 ***********************************

Dec. 3, 2009

Reply to Wlug Digest, rant

by Keith Wright

> From: kpoisant(a)gmail.com > > Well you can havem when ever they are vga and both work Very generous, I'm sure. I don't want them right now, but had the message been addressed to the person who did, instead of the whole list, ... Maybe the person who asked for a monitor can keep us updated. > Sent from my iPhone There are three possibilities: (1) The iPhone puts that message there, you can't change it. Tell the marketing department it isn't working; I count that as a reason to flee. (2) You think we care. Maybe you can give a talk on Linux-iPhone interoperability. Otherwise no. (3) Most likely, you don't know how, or can't be bothered, to change the default to something useful like your name and phone number or something short like $(cat /dev/null). Which brings me to the point of the rant: > On Dec 2, 2009, at 12:00 PM, wlug-request(a)mail.wlug.org wrote: > > > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more > > specific than "Re: Contents of Wlug digest..." and while you are at it, why not trim off the contents from the body, keeping only what is relevant to the reply. In the case of this rant, the only part relevant is the impressive stack of appended noise. > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Wlug mailing list > >> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > >> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > >> > > -- > > David P. Connell > > davec99(a)charter.net > > M: 508-450-7902 > > > >

Dec. 2, 2009

Re: [Wlug] Wlug Digest, Vol 74, Issue 2

by dkelly＠wpi.edu

I have a 19" or so CRT you can have. It has VGA. If you can come pick it up, you can have it. I live near WPI. Devin On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 12:00 PM, wlug-request(a)mail.wlug.org < wlug-request(a)mail.wlug.org> wrote: > Send Wlug mailing list submissions to > wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > wlug-request(a)mail.wlug.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > wlug-owner(a)mail.wlug.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Wlug digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Wlug Digest, Vol 74, Issue 1 (kevin poisant) > 2. Re: Looking for monitor (John Stoffel) > 3. Re: Looking for monitor (Dick Goodman) > 4. Re: Looking for monitor (Gregory Boyce) > 5. Re: Looking for monitor (John Stoffel) > 6. Re: Looking for monitor (David P. Connell) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 12:04:57 -0500 > From: kevin poisant <kpoisant(a)gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [Wlug] Wlug Digest, Vol 74, Issue 1 > To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > Message-ID: > <71fc31440912010904t2f3d30e0r3e915a5bc0e1d1e7(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > I have two crts free if picked up sturbridge ma > > On Dec 1, 2009 12:00 PM, <wlug-request(a)mail.wlug.org> wrote: > > Send Wlug mailing list submissions to > wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > wlug-request(a)mail.wlug.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > wlug-owner(a)mail.wlug.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Wlug digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Looking for monitor (John Stoffel) > 2. Re: Looking for monitor (Jason Couture) > 3. Re: Looking for monitor (Jared Greenwald) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 11:25:47 -0500 > From: "John Stoffel" <john(a)stoffel.org> > Subject: [Wlug] Looking for monitor > To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > Message-ID: <19221.17291.830920.813024(a)stoffel.org> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > > Hi all, > > I'm looking for a cheap (free if possible) old monitor someone wants > to get rid of. Something in the 17-21" range, but probably not much > bigger since they get too heavy. > > Thanks, > John > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 11:29:53 -0500 > From: Jason Couture <plaguethenet(a)gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [Wlug] Looking for monitor > To: Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> > Message-ID: > <e290abaf0912010829r7de7ed3fmec105ca26b42dbeb(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > I doubt this is up your alley, But i have a 17" NEC AccuSync (LCD) for > sale for $100 + tax. > > On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 11:25 AM, John Stoffel <john(a)stoffel.org> wrote: > > > > Hi all, > > > > I'm looking for a cheap (free if possible) old monitor someone wants > > to get rid of. ?Something in the 17-21" range, but probably not much > > bigger since they get too heavy. > > > > Thanks, > > John > > _______________________________________________ > > Wlug mailing list > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 11:30:55 -0500 > From: Jared Greenwald <greenwaldjared(a)gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [Wlug] Looking for monitor > To: Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> > Message-ID: > <2759cf860912010830l3e086a1eo2c500379bc788652(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > I have a 17" CRT that you can have if you come pick it up. > > On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 11:25 AM, John Stoffel <john(a)stoffel.org> wrote: > > > > Hi all, > > > > I'm looking for a cheap (free if possible) old monitor someone wants > > to get rid of. ?Something in the 17-21" range, but probably not much > > bigger since they get too heavy. > > > > Thanks, > > John > > _______________________________________________ > > Wlug mailing list > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > End of Wlug Digest, Vol 74, Issue 1 > *********************************** > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://mail.wlug.org/pipermail/wlug/attachments/20091201/35148e08/attachmen… > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 12:43:23 -0500 > From: "John Stoffel" <john(a)stoffel.org> > Subject: Re: [Wlug] Looking for monitor > To: Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> > Message-ID: <19221.21947.171896.756733(a)stoffel.org> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > >>>>> "John" == John Stoffel <john(a)stoffel.org> writes: > > John> I'm looking for a cheap (free if possible) old monitor someone > John> wants to get rid of. Something in the 17-21" range, but > John> probably not much bigger since they get too heavy. > > Thanks for the replies. I forgot to mention my location, which is > Boylston/Marlboro axis of I290. > > Sturbridge is tempting though. > > Also, probably (not sure, haven't seen the computer in question) need > HD15 VGA connectors, not the newer DVI stuff. > > Thanks! > John > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 16:22:55 -0500 > From: Dick Goodman <wlug(a)goodman1.net> > Subject: Re: [Wlug] Looking for monitor > To: Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> > Message-ID: <a06240800c73b393315fb(a)[192.168.1.62]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" > > I've got a bunch of 17" monitors - one for free not a problem > In Worcester, walking distance from WPI (although probably not if > carrying a monitor) > > Dick > > >Hi all, > > > >I'm looking for a cheap (free if possible) old monitor someone wants > >to get rid of. Something in the 17-21" range, but probably not much > >bigger since they get too heavy. > > > >Thanks, > >John > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 16:25:51 -0500 > From: Gregory Boyce <gregory.boyce(a)gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [Wlug] Looking for monitor > To: Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> > Cc: Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> > Message-ID: <235B54E8-BCF2-4834-BDF1-60828A8AF8C0(a)gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed; > delsp=yes > > On Dec 1, 2009, at 12:43 PM, "John Stoffel" <john(a)stoffel.org> wrote: > > >>>>>> "John" == John Stoffel <john(a)stoffel.org> writes: > > > > John> I'm looking for a cheap (free if possible) old monitor someone > > John> wants to get rid of. Something in the 17-21" range, but > > John> probably not much bigger since they get too heavy. > > > > Thanks for the replies. I forgot to mention my location, which is > > Boylston/Marlboro axis of I290. > > Sturbridge is tempting though. > > > > Also, probably (not sure, haven't seen the computer in question) need > > HD15 VGA connectors, not the newer DVI stuff. > > I've got a nice Dell 21" CRT sitting in my basement in Ashland. It > has VGA connectors on it. > > It's free for a good home. > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 17:00:05 -0500 > From: "John Stoffel" <john(a)stoffel.org> > Subject: Re: [Wlug] Looking for monitor > To: Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> > Message-ID: <19221.37349.792746.813403(a)stoffel.org> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > >>>>> "Gregory" == Gregory Boyce <gregory.boyce(a)gmail.com> writes: > > Gregory> On Dec 1, 2009, at 12:43 PM, "John Stoffel" <john(a)stoffel.org> > wrote: > >>>>>>> "John" == John Stoffel <john(a)stoffel.org> writes: > >> > John> I'm looking for a cheap (free if possible) old monitor someone > John> wants to get rid of. Something in the 17-21" range, but > John> probably not much bigger since they get too heavy. > >> > >> Thanks for the replies. I forgot to mention my location, which is > >> Boylston/Marlboro axis of I290. > >> Sturbridge is tempting though. > >> > >> Also, probably (not sure, haven't seen the computer in question) need > >> HD15 VGA connectors, not the newer DVI stuff. > > Gregory> I've got a nice Dell 21" CRT sitting in my basement in Ashland. > It > Gregory> has VGA connectors on it. > > Gregory> It's free for a good home. > > This would be great! The people I'm getting this for are in Upton, I > think. Let me talk with my father-in-law on this. Care to give me > contact details I can forward on? > > Thanks, > John > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Tue, 01 Dec 2009 22:03:42 -0500 > From: "David P. Connell" <davec99(a)charter.net> > Subject: Re: [Wlug] Looking for monitor > To: Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> > Message-ID: <4B15D90E.6020601(a)charter.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > I'm sure you're all set by now, but I also have a 17" CRT in Worcester - > free, of course. > DaveC > > John Stoffel wrote: > > Hi all, > > > > I'm looking for a cheap (free if possible) old monitor someone wants > > to get rid of. Something in the 17-21" range, but probably not much > > bigger since they get too heavy. > > > > Thanks, > > John > > _______________________________________________ > > Wlug mailing list > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > > > -- > David P. Connell > davec99(a)charter.net > M: 508-450-7902 > > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: davec99.vcf > Type: text/x-vcard > Size: 125 bytes > Desc: not available > Url : > http://mail.wlug.org/pipermail/wlug/attachments/20091201/d3b0a16e/attachmen… > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > End of Wlug Digest, Vol 74, Issue 2 > *********************************** > -- http://users.wpi.edu/~dkelly/

Dec. 2, 2009

Re: [Wlug] Wlug Digest, Vol 74, Issue 2

by kpoisant＠gmail.com

Well you can havem when ever they are vga and both work Sent from my iPhone On Dec 2, 2009, at 12:00 PM, wlug-request(a)mail.wlug.org wrote: > Send Wlug mailing list submissions to > wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > wlug-request(a)mail.wlug.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > wlug-owner(a)mail.wlug.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Wlug digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Wlug Digest, Vol 74, Issue 1 (kevin poisant) > 2. Re: Looking for monitor (John Stoffel) > 3. Re: Looking for monitor (Dick Goodman) > 4. Re: Looking for monitor (Gregory Boyce) > 5. Re: Looking for monitor (John Stoffel) > 6. Re: Looking for monitor (David P. Connell) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 12:04:57 -0500 > From: kevin poisant <kpoisant(a)gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [Wlug] Wlug Digest, Vol 74, Issue 1 > To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > Message-ID: > <71fc31440912010904t2f3d30e0r3e915a5bc0e1d1e7(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > I have two crts free if picked up sturbridge ma > > On Dec 1, 2009 12:00 PM, <wlug-request(a)mail.wlug.org> wrote: > > Send Wlug mailing list submissions to > wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > wlug-request(a)mail.wlug.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > wlug-owner(a)mail.wlug.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Wlug digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Looking for monitor (John Stoffel) > 2. Re: Looking for monitor (Jason Couture) > 3. Re: Looking for monitor (Jared Greenwald) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 11:25:47 -0500 > From: "John Stoffel" <john(a)stoffel.org> > Subject: [Wlug] Looking for monitor > To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > Message-ID: <19221.17291.830920.813024(a)stoffel.org> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > > Hi all, > > I'm looking for a cheap (free if possible) old monitor someone wants > to get rid of. Something in the 17-21" range, but probably not much > bigger since they get too heavy. > > Thanks, > John > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 11:29:53 -0500 > From: Jason Couture <plaguethenet(a)gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [Wlug] Looking for monitor > To: Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> > Message-ID: > <e290abaf0912010829r7de7ed3fmec105ca26b42dbeb(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > I doubt this is up your alley, But i have a 17" NEC AccuSync (LCD) for > sale for $100 + tax. > > On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 11:25 AM, John Stoffel <john(a)stoffel.org> > wrote: >> >> Hi all, >> >> I'm looking for a cheap (free if possible) old monitor someone wants >> to get rid of. ?Something in the 17-21" range, but probably not much >> bigger since they get too heavy. >> >> Thanks, >> John >> _______________________________________________ >> Wlug mailing list >> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >> > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 11:30:55 -0500 > From: Jared Greenwald <greenwaldjared(a)gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [Wlug] Looking for monitor > To: Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> > Message-ID: > <2759cf860912010830l3e086a1eo2c500379bc788652(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > I have a 17" CRT that you can have if you come pick it up. > > On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 11:25 AM, John Stoffel <john(a)stoffel.org> > wrote: >> >> Hi all, >> >> I'm looking for a cheap (free if possible) old monitor someone wants >> to get rid of. ?Something in the 17-21" range, but probably not much >> bigger since they get too heavy. >> >> Thanks, >> John >> _______________________________________________ >> Wlug mailing list >> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >> > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > End of Wlug Digest, Vol 74, Issue 1 > *********************************** >

Dec. 2, 2009

Re: [Wlug] Looking for monitor

by David P. Connell

I'm sure you're all set by now, but I also have a 17" CRT in Worcester - free, of course. DaveC John Stoffel wrote: > Hi all, > > I'm looking for a cheap (free if possible) old monitor someone wants > to get rid of. Something in the 17-21" range, but probably not much > bigger since they get too heavy. > > Thanks, > John > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > -- David P. Connell davec99(a)charter.net M: 508-450-7902

Dec. 2, 2009

Re: [Wlug] Looking for monitor

by John Stoffel

>>>>> "Gregory" == Gregory Boyce <gregory.boyce(a)gmail.com> writes: Gregory> On Dec 1, 2009, at 12:43 PM, "John Stoffel" <john(a)stoffel.org> wrote: >>>>>>> "John" == John Stoffel <john(a)stoffel.org> writes: >> John> I'm looking for a cheap (free if possible) old monitor someone John> wants to get rid of. Something in the 17-21" range, but John> probably not much bigger since they get too heavy. >> >> Thanks for the replies. I forgot to mention my location, which is >> Boylston/Marlboro axis of I290. >> Sturbridge is tempting though. >> >> Also, probably (not sure, haven't seen the computer in question) need >> HD15 VGA connectors, not the newer DVI stuff. Gregory> I've got a nice Dell 21" CRT sitting in my basement in Ashland. It Gregory> has VGA connectors on it. Gregory> It's free for a good home. This would be great! The people I'm getting this for are in Upton, I think. Let me talk with my father-in-law on this. Care to give me contact details I can forward on? Thanks, John

Dec. 1, 2009

Re: [Wlug] Looking for monitor

by Gregory Boyce

On Dec 1, 2009, at 12:43 PM, "John Stoffel" <john(a)stoffel.org> wrote: >>>>>> "John" == John Stoffel <john(a)stoffel.org> writes: > > John> I'm looking for a cheap (free if possible) old monitor someone > John> wants to get rid of. Something in the 17-21" range, but > John> probably not much bigger since they get too heavy. > > Thanks for the replies. I forgot to mention my location, which is > Boylston/Marlboro axis of I290. > Sturbridge is tempting though. > > Also, probably (not sure, haven't seen the computer in question) need > HD15 VGA connectors, not the newer DVI stuff. I've got a nice Dell 21" CRT sitting in my basement in Ashland. It has VGA connectors on it. It's free for a good home.

Dec. 1, 2009

Re: [Wlug] Looking for monitor

by Dick Goodman

I've got a bunch of 17" monitors - one for free not a problem In Worcester, walking distance from WPI (although probably not if carrying a monitor) Dick >Hi all, > >I'm looking for a cheap (free if possible) old monitor someone wants >to get rid of. Something in the 17-21" range, but probably not much >bigger since they get too heavy. > >Thanks, >John

Dec. 1, 2009

Re: [Wlug] Looking for monitor

by John Stoffel

>>>>> "John" == John Stoffel <john(a)stoffel.org> writes: John> I'm looking for a cheap (free if possible) old monitor someone John> wants to get rid of. Something in the 17-21" range, but John> probably not much bigger since they get too heavy. Thanks for the replies. I forgot to mention my location, which is Boylston/Marlboro axis of I290. Sturbridge is tempting though. Also, probably (not sure, haven't seen the computer in question) need HD15 VGA connectors, not the newer DVI stuff. Thanks! John

Dec. 1, 2009

Re: [Wlug] Wlug Digest, Vol 74, Issue 1

by kevin poisant

I have two crts free if picked up sturbridge ma On Dec 1, 2009 12:00 PM, <wlug-request(a)mail.wlug.org> wrote: Send Wlug mailing list submissions to wlug(a)mail.wlug.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to wlug-request(a)mail.wlug.org You can reach the person managing the list at wlug-owner(a)mail.wlug.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Wlug digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Looking for monitor (John Stoffel) 2. Re: Looking for monitor (Jason Couture) 3. Re: Looking for monitor (Jared Greenwald) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 11:25:47 -0500 From: "John Stoffel" <john(a)stoffel.org> Subject: [Wlug] Looking for monitor To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org Message-ID: <19221.17291.830920.813024(a)stoffel.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi all, I'm looking for a cheap (free if possible) old monitor someone wants to get rid of. Something in the 17-21" range, but probably not much bigger since they get too heavy. Thanks, John ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 11:29:53 -0500 From: Jason Couture <plaguethenet(a)gmail.com> Subject: Re: [Wlug] Looking for monitor To: Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> Message-ID: <e290abaf0912010829r7de7ed3fmec105ca26b42dbeb(a)mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I doubt this is up your alley, But i have a 17" NEC AccuSync (LCD) for sale for $100 + tax. On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 11:25 AM, John Stoffel <john(a)stoffel.org> wrote: > > Hi all, > > I'm looking for a cheap (free if possible) old monitor someone wants > to get rid of. ?Something in the 17-21" range, but probably not much > bigger since they get too heavy. > > Thanks, > John > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 11:30:55 -0500 From: Jared Greenwald <greenwaldjared(a)gmail.com> Subject: Re: [Wlug] Looking for monitor To: Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> Message-ID: <2759cf860912010830l3e086a1eo2c500379bc788652(a)mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I have a 17" CRT that you can have if you come pick it up. On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 11:25 AM, John Stoffel <john(a)stoffel.org> wrote: > > Hi all, > > I'm looking for a cheap (free if possible) old monitor someone wants > to get rid of. ?Something in the 17-21" range, but probably not much > bigger since they get too heavy. > > Thanks, > John > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug End of Wlug Digest, Vol 74, Issue 1 ***********************************

Dec. 1, 2009

Re: [Wlug] Looking for monitor

by Jared Greenwald

I have a 17" CRT that you can have if you come pick it up. On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 11:25 AM, John Stoffel <john(a)stoffel.org> wrote: > > Hi all, > > I'm looking for a cheap (free if possible) old monitor someone wants > to get rid of. Something in the 17-21" range, but probably not much > bigger since they get too heavy. > > Thanks, > John > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

Dec. 1, 2009

Re: [Wlug] Looking for monitor

by Jason Couture

I doubt this is up your alley, But i have a 17" NEC AccuSync (LCD) for sale for $100 + tax. On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 11:25 AM, John Stoffel <john(a)stoffel.org> wrote: > > Hi all, > > I'm looking for a cheap (free if possible) old monitor someone wants > to get rid of. Something in the 17-21" range, but probably not much > bigger since they get too heavy. > > Thanks, > John > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

Dec. 1, 2009

Looking for monitor

by John Stoffel

Hi all, I'm looking for a cheap (free if possible) old monitor someone wants to get rid of. Something in the 17-21" range, but probably not much bigger since they get too heavy. Thanks, John

Dec. 1, 2009

FiOS & PONs

by Chuck Anderson

As a followup to a discussion we had after the WLUG meeting, here are some good pages to read about how FiOS works. Verizon is using Passive Optical Networking, either BPON or GPON depending on the CO. The downstream side is shared, since by its very nature a PON's downstream direction is broadcast on a single wavelength--the light goes from the OLT to every customer's ONT on the PON "tree". For privacy each customer's downstream traffic is "encrypted" so only the intended ONT/customer can decrypt it. The upstream side is shared via TDMA since only one customer's ONT can trasmit at a time on the single upstream wavelength "up the tree" towards to root of the PON where the OLT lives...each ONT gets a "time slot" for upstream transmissions. There can be up to 32-128 customers shared on a single PON. http://www.dslreports.com/faq/verizonfios http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Optical_Line_Termination

Nov. 20, 2009

REMINDER: WLUG Meeting Wed Nov 18th

by Andy Stewart

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi Everybody, Our next WLUG meeting will be on Wednesday, November 18th, at 7:00 PM on the WPI campus. The meeting room is the place where we met the last two meetings, namely, that room next to the Morgan Hall dining area. Next to the dining hall on the right is a door. Enter. A short lit hallway is in front of you. Walk a few steps. A doorway is on the right. Enter. You have arrived. Seat yourself. Chat with friends. Enjoy the meeting. The topic is TBD, which most likely means we'll have a giant round table discussion on any topics of interest. After the meeting, we'll go out for pizza and soda. See ya there! Andy - -- Andy Stewart (KB1OIQ) Founder: Worcester Linux Users' Group Founder: Chelmsford Linux Meetup Group President: PART of Westford, MA (WB1GOF) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFLA2zUOjiraCaOTOoRAo7vAJ4n1kzAYwGT8FKuBGjtKDU68C1JSgCg4fUg UaZVMyRHFNR4gEQ4Owh76UE= =HuXW -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

Nov. 18, 2009

Open Video Alliance Contest

by Josh Levy

*Want to win a trip to South By Southwest 2010? Or maybe a Flip Mino video camera? Read on...* *Open Video in 60 Seconds* <http://contest.openvideoalliance.org/> The Open Video Alliance is holding a video contest<http://contest.openvideoalliance.org/>. To enter, just make a video spot explaining open video in 60 seconds or less. Then upload it anywhere and tell us the URL. Our judges—including web luminaries like Jimmy Wales and Mitchell Baker—will pick the best and most creative entries. One lucky winner will be headed to Austin on an expenses-paid trip to SXSW 2010 <http://sxsw.com/interactive>*, *and three runners-up will get a Flip Mino handheld video camera. The last day to submit a video is January 31, 2010. Head over to the contest page <http://contest.openvideoalliance.org/> to check out the entries and submit your own video! Complete rules are here<http://contest.openvideoalliance.org/about/> . *Need some inspiration?* We've got you covered. Here are some ideas.<http://contest.openvideoalliance.org/about/#3>For more on open video, check out some open video issues <http://openvideoalliance.org/issues>. *Who are you?* The Open Video Alliance <http://openvideoalliance.org/> is a coalition of organizations and individuals devoted to creating and promoting free and open technologies, policies, and practices in online video.

Nov. 18, 2009

Re: [Wlug] writing at 1GB/s ?

by brad

(sorry list moderator, i initially replied with the wrong email address). Thanks for the reply. > > brad> In the past i was pretty pleased to write 60MB/s under > brad> real-world conditions on my linux systems a few years back. I > brad> just wanted to ping the group about this. Does anyone know if a > brad> hard drive or even memory come close to writing data at this > brad> speed on a linux system? Or, what might the limit for data rates > brad> on a linux PC these days. From my google'ing it appears hard > brad> drives top out at around 100MB/s. > > If you're serious about grabbing all the data and writing it to disk, > then you'll need to setup some sort of RAID, where you spread your > writes across a bunch of controllers and disks. > In the past i've used a RAID style arrangement to capture data at seemly fast data rates (though not quite at 1GB/s). > In this case, if you > get say three high end PCI-express SATA cards with four ports, you > could stripe the data across 12 1Tb disks at 1GB (You said GigaBYTE, > right?) without too much trouble, assuming you have a bunch of PCIe > slots on the board. > Yes, i did say GigaBTYE. Oddly enough, in my initial calculations i was off by an order of 2 -- 500MB/s, and i thought, umm there's a slim chance i can write that fast. Then i re-ran the numbers and got 1GB/s, at which point i thought i'm looking at an impossible task. > <snip> > > BTW, How will this device move the data to your file server? 10Gbit > Ethernet? Direct PCI-E interace? Infiniband? > The data will be moved via SneakerNet. My machines are not connected to any kind of network. > Do you need to actually keep all the data, or can you pre-process it > and compress it or summarize it, etc? Then write those results to > disk? Loading up the system with lots of RAM will give you more > leeway, but you're still going to be hurting to handle this flood. > Good question. All of the data is necessary, pre-processing isn't really an option nor do i have a hook to process data on the instrument. (At the very least i need to show an acceptable amount sensitivity to the instrument's readings to keep the funding dollars coming in, and a job :) ). Currently i use a lot of RAM as a large ring buffer and spool that out to disk when i get a chance, but again, that's only on the order of around 50MB/s. > brad> Note: This piece of instrumentation has onboard memory for > brad> writing, which i'll probably have to use, but if there was a way > brad> to stream the data, it would be preferable. > > You're going to have to invest in a big box with lots of bandwidth to > handle this, along with the disks to hold all this data. > This is why i'm thinking i'll just have to use the instrument's onboard memory. i'm not sure how feasible a 'big box' will be in my lab, dollars are tight and we really need to have some degree of portability. > And I'd > really really really suggest you try to pre-process and summarize and > reduce the data before you try to write it. > yeah, i've looked in to trying to compress the data in a lossless manner, but that ends up taking up more CPU than i can spare since the data is all binary. > Good luck, and let us know what you end up doing! > Thanks, i'll need it! It helps to hear ideas (thanks!) just to see what other people might suggest. I'm still in the early stages. I'll look into the RAID solutions through various hardware interfaces (SATA, SAS). Although in my experience RAID only yields a performance increase by a factor of 2, and it looks like i'm going to need a 10-fold performance boost. I'm probably going to be throttled by the RAM capacity rather than disk capacity, b/c i don't think i'm going to be able to write to disk fast enough, at least with the kind of system Thanks for the response, - brad

Nov. 16, 2009

Re: [Wlug] writing at 1GB/s ?

by John Stoffel

brad> At work, i might be getting a piece of instrumentation in my lab brad> that that is capable of out putting out 1GB of data per brad> second. Fun! You're going to have an interesting time handling data from this device for sure. brad> In the past i was pretty pleased to write 60MB/s under brad> real-world conditions on my linux systems a few years back. I brad> just wanted to ping the group about this. Does anyone know if a brad> hard drive or even memory come close to writing data at this brad> speed on a linux system? Or, what might the limit for data rates brad> on a linux PC these days. From my google'ing it appears hard brad> drives top out at around 100MB/s. If you're serious about grabbing all the data and writing it to disk, then you'll need to setup some sort of RAID, where you spread your writes across a bunch of controllers and disks. In this case, if you get say three high end PCI-express SATA cards with four ports, you could stripe the data across 12 1Tb disks at 1GB (You said GigaBYTE, right?) without too much trouble, assuming you have a bunch of PCIe slots on the board. I'd probably setup RAID 0 (striping) with a stride setup so that every 1 to 16 Megabytes you write to a new disk, so as to take advantage of the cache on the disks. You'll have to do some testing to determine the best numbers. Also, if this data is important, I'd setup mirrored pairs of disks and then stripe across those disks. More controllers and disks and power. BTW, How will this device move the data to your file server? 10Gbit Ethernet? Direct PCI-E interace? Infiniband? Do you need to actually keep all the data, or can you pre-process it and compress it or summarize it, etc? Then write those results to disk? Loading up the system with lots of RAM will give you more leeway, but you're still going to be hurting to handle this flood. brad> Note: This piece of instrumentation has onboard memory for brad> writing, which i'll probably have to use, but if there was a way brad> to stream the data, it would be preferable. You're going to have to invest in a big box with lots of bandwidth to handle this, along with the disks to hold all this data. And I'd really really really suggest you try to pre-process and summarize and reduce the data before you try to write it. Good luck, and let us know what you end up doing! John

Nov. 16, 2009

writing at 1GB/s ?

by brad

WLUG'ers, At work, i might be getting a piece of instrumentation in my lab that that is capable of out putting out 1GB of data per second. In the past i was pretty pleased to write 60MB/s under real-world conditions on my linux systems a few years back. I just wanted to ping the group about this. Does anyone know if a hard drive or even memory come close to writing data at this speed on a linux system? Or, what might the limit for data rates on a linux PC these days. From my google'ing it appears hard drives top out at around 100MB/s. Note: This piece of instrumentation has onboard memory for writing, which i'll probably have to use, but if there was a way to stream the data, it would be preferable. Thanks, -- brad

Nov. 16, 2009

MacBook Pro for sale w/ AppleCare, 2.4ghz Core 2 Duo, 4GB RAM

by Ryan Pugatch

Hi all, I am looking to sell my MacBook Pro. It was purchased around June 2008. It was the last non-unibody model. Specs: Core 2 Duo 2.4ghz 15" LED backlit display 4GB 667 MHz DDR 2 RAM (2x 2GB DIMMs) 200 GB 5400 RPM Hard Drive GeForce 8600M GT Video card (256MB) Webcam Backlit keyboard DVD-R/CD-R drive Model Identifier: MacBookPro4,1 I will install a fresh version of Snow Leopard on it. This machine is covered by AppleCare: Telephone Technical Support: Active AppleCare Protection Plan. Expires: March 24, 2011 Repairs and Service Coverage: Active Your product is covered for eligible hardware repairs and service under the AppleCare Protection Plan. Expires: March 24, 2011 It is in overall good condition, no major marks or dents. I am asking $1450 for it, cash only. A comparable new MacBook Pro with AppleCare would cost over $2000. I am located in Ashland. Picture: http://img237.imageshack.us/img237/4286/mbp.jpg Please let me know if you are interested. Thanks, Ryan

Nov. 15, 2009

old thinkpads

by Ryan Pugatch

Hi! Anyone have some older Thinkpads they'd be interesting in getting rid of? Looking for one with a Pentium 4 or newer processor. Also, curious if anyone has an X31 battery they'd like to sell for a few bux. Cheers, Ryan

Nov. 13, 2009

Meey

by kpoisant＠gmail.com

Its thursday night any one interested in grabbing a drink or meeting up? Sent from my iPhone On Nov 10, 2009, at 12:00 PM, wlug-request(a)mail.wlug.org wrote: > Send Wlug mailing list submissions to > wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > wlug-request(a)mail.wlug.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > wlug-owner(a)mail.wlug.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Wlug digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: web hosting? (Theo Van Dinter) > 2. [SPF:fail] Re: web hosting? (Andre Lehovich) > 3. Re: web hosting? (Nick Nassar) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2009 10:46:06 -0500 > From: Theo Van Dinter <felicity(a)kluge.net> > Subject: Re: [Wlug] web hosting? > To: Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> > Message-ID: > <f35e9da80911100746v62cd8540m7641d17159c57589(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 > > Just curious, why do you want it to be local? If it's a random host > out on the Internet, locality probably doesn't matter much unless > latency is an issue for you. > > And what do you mean by local? Are you limiting to just Worcester > area, or Eastern MA, or New England, or Eastern US, or ...? ;) > > You can get a VPS pretty cheap, I seem to recall prices of ~$35/month > for a small instance in NYC w/ 100-200G/month transfer. > > > On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 3:45 PM, Nick Nassar <nassar(a)alum.wpi.edu> > wrote: >> Does anyone have any recommendations for a cheap, relatively >> Apache/MySQL/PHP web and POP/IMAP email host? Preferably someplace >> local. It >> doesn?t have to be too powerful. A few gigabytes of storage space >> and max >> bandwidth in the range of tens of gigabytes per month. > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2009 11:14:31 -0500 > From: Andre Lehovich <Andre.Lehovich(a)gmx.com> > Subject: [Wlug] [SPF:fail] Re: web hosting? > To: Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> > Message-ID: <4AF99167.8020907(a)gmx.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed > >> You can get a VPS pretty cheap, I seem to recall prices of ~$35/month >> for a small instance in NYC w/ 100-200G/month transfer. > > Linode.com is $20/month for Xen VPS w/ good specs. They get rave > reviews, though I've never used their service. > > I've seen posts on lowendbox.com mentioning VPS deals as low as $3/ > month. > > I'm currently using pairlite.com for shared hosting (FreeBSD). So far > no problems. I'm considering switching to nearlyfreespeech.net, > because > their metered pricing looks to be cheaper for my usage. > > --Andre > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2009 11:32:47 -0500 > From: "Nick Nassar" <nassar(a)alum.wpi.edu> > Subject: Re: [Wlug] web hosting? > To: "'Worcester Linux Users Group'" <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> > Message-ID: <6CCB952F64B34E0D99EF0B68BE34A821(a)WCCATV13.local> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > By "local" I guess I really mean small enough that I can get a real > person if there's an issue, even if it's email support only. I've > had bad luck with large web hosts like Dreamhost and 1and1 in the > past. Most of the time they're excellent, but when there is an issue > tech support is unresponsive and it takes days to get it resolved. > It's been a few years since I've shopped around, and maybe that's > not as much of an issue anymore. > > I'm leaning towards a hosted solution, rather than VPS. Someone else > can worry about keeping up to date with security updates for Linux > and Apache. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: wlug-bounces(a)mail.wlug.org [mailto:wlug-bounces@mail.wlug.org] > On Behalf Of Theo Van Dinter > Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 10:46 AM > To: Worcester Linux Users Group > Subject: Re: [Wlug] web hosting? > > Just curious, why do you want it to be local? If it's a random host > out on the Internet, locality probably doesn't matter much unless > latency is an issue for you. > > And what do you mean by local? Are you limiting to just Worcester > area, or Eastern MA, or New England, or Eastern US, or ...? ;) > > You can get a VPS pretty cheap, I seem to recall prices of ~$35/month > for a small instance in NYC w/ 100-200G/month transfer. > > > On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 3:45 PM, Nick Nassar <nassar(a)alum.wpi.edu> > wrote: >> Does anyone have any recommendations for a cheap, relatively >> Apache/MySQL/PHP web and POP/IMAP email host? Preferably someplace >> local. It >> doesn?t have to be too powerful. A few gigabytes of storage space >> and max >> bandwidth in the range of tens of gigabytes per month. > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > End of Wlug Digest, Vol 73, Issue 9 > ***********************************

Nov. 12, 2009

Re: [Wlug] [SPF:fail] Re: web hosting?

by Adam Gomes

A friend of mine (also on this mailing list) uses Linode for a VPS and he's very pelased with them. On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 11:14 AM, Andre Lehovich <Andre.Lehovich(a)gmx.com>wrote: > > You can get a VPS pretty cheap, I seem to recall prices of ~$35/month > > for a small instance in NYC w/ 100-200G/month transfer. > > Linode.com is $20/month for Xen VPS w/ good specs. They get rave > reviews, though I've never used their service. > > I've seen posts on lowendbox.com mentioning VPS deals as low as $3/month. > > I'm currently using pairlite.com for shared hosting (FreeBSD). So far > no problems. I'm considering switching to nearlyfreespeech.net, because > their metered pricing looks to be cheaper for my usage. > > --Andre > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

Nov. 10, 2009

Re: [Wlug] web hosting?

by Nick Nassar

By "local" I guess I really mean small enough that I can get a real person if there's an issue, even if it's email support only. I've had bad luck with large web hosts like Dreamhost and 1and1 in the past. Most of the time they're excellent, but when there is an issue tech support is unresponsive and it takes days to get it resolved. It's been a few years since I've shopped around, and maybe that's not as much of an issue anymore. I'm leaning towards a hosted solution, rather than VPS. Someone else can worry about keeping up to date with security updates for Linux and Apache. -----Original Message----- From: wlug-bounces(a)mail.wlug.org [mailto:wlug-bounces@mail.wlug.org] On Behalf Of Theo Van Dinter Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 10:46 AM To: Worcester Linux Users Group Subject: Re: [Wlug] web hosting? Just curious, why do you want it to be local? If it's a random host out on the Internet, locality probably doesn't matter much unless latency is an issue for you. And what do you mean by local? Are you limiting to just Worcester area, or Eastern MA, or New England, or Eastern US, or ...? ;) You can get a VPS pretty cheap, I seem to recall prices of ~$35/month for a small instance in NYC w/ 100-200G/month transfer. On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 3:45 PM, Nick Nassar <nassar(a)alum.wpi.edu> wrote: > Does anyone have any recommendations for a cheap, relatively > Apache/MySQL/PHP web and POP/IMAP email host? Preferably someplace local. It > doesn’t have to be too powerful. A few gigabytes of storage space and max > bandwidth in the range of tens of gigabytes per month. _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Nov. 10, 2009

[SPF:fail] Re: web hosting?

by Andre Lehovich

> You can get a VPS pretty cheap, I seem to recall prices of ~$35/month > for a small instance in NYC w/ 100-200G/month transfer. Linode.com is $20/month for Xen VPS w/ good specs. They get rave reviews, though I've never used their service. I've seen posts on lowendbox.com mentioning VPS deals as low as $3/month. I'm currently using pairlite.com for shared hosting (FreeBSD). So far no problems. I'm considering switching to nearlyfreespeech.net, because their metered pricing looks to be cheaper for my usage. --Andre

Nov. 10, 2009

Re: [Wlug] web hosting?

by Theo Van Dinter

Just curious, why do you want it to be local? If it's a random host out on the Internet, locality probably doesn't matter much unless latency is an issue for you. And what do you mean by local? Are you limiting to just Worcester area, or Eastern MA, or New England, or Eastern US, or ...? ;) You can get a VPS pretty cheap, I seem to recall prices of ~$35/month for a small instance in NYC w/ 100-200G/month transfer. On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 3:45 PM, Nick Nassar <nassar(a)alum.wpi.edu> wrote: > Does anyone have any recommendations for a cheap, relatively > Apache/MySQL/PHP web and POP/IMAP email host? Preferably someplace local. It > doesn’t have to be too powerful. A few gigabytes of storage space and max > bandwidth in the range of tens of gigabytes per month.

Nov. 10, 2009

Re: [Wlug] web hosting?

by Adam Gomes

I have had pretty good luck over the years with DreamHost, but alas, they too are not local. On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 3:45 PM, Nick Nassar <nassar(a)alum.wpi.edu> wrote: > Fellow Linux Users, > > > > Does anyone have any recommendations for a cheap, relatively > Apache/MySQL/PHP web and POP/IMAP email host? Preferably someplace local. It > doesn’t have to be too powerful. A few gigabytes of storage space and max > bandwidth in the range of tens of gigabytes per month. > > > > Thanks > > Nick > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > >

Nov. 10, 2009

Re: [Wlug] Wlug Digest, Vol 73, Issue 7

by kpoisant＠gmail.com

I can host email and webpages i have a running server runnig ubuntu 9.04 Sent from my iPhone On Nov 10, 2009, at 8:46 AM, wlug-request(a)mail.wlug.org wrote: > Send Wlug mailing list submissions to > wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > wlug-request(a)mail.wlug.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > wlug-owner(a)mail.wlug.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Wlug digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Socializing (Steven Greenberg) > 2. Re: Socializing (kstratton(a)fastmail.us) > 3. To jordan (kpoisant(a)gmail.com) > 4. Re: HSI Vent Maybe Help? (James Gray) > 5. web hosting? (Nick Nassar) > 6. Re: Socializing (Theodore Ruegsegger) > 7. Re: web hosting? (Tal Cohen) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 09 Nov 2009 12:18:14 -0500 > From: Steven Greenberg <steve(a)ssgreenberg.name> > Subject: [Wlug] Socializing > To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > Message-ID: <4AF84ED6.9000407(a)ssgreenberg.name> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > I'm in Sturbridge. So Worcester might be the central place > between Framingham and Sturbridge. > > /Steve > > wlug-request(a)mail.wlug.org wrote: >> >> Subject: >> Re: [Wlug] HSI Vent Maybe Help? >> From: >> Jordan Wade <jordan.wade(a)gmail.com> >> Date: >> Mon, 9 Nov 2009 09:41:17 -0500 >> To: >> Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> >> >> To: >> Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> >> >> >> I'd be up for some socializing if anyone wants to meet up. Also, I'm >> curious, is everyone actually in/around Worcester or do we have lots >> of people from farther out too? (I'm in Framingham, for example.) >> >> Jordan >> > > > -- > Steven Greenberg Email: steve(a)ssgreenberg.name > 251 Holland Rd. Phone: (774)241-0095 > Fiskdale, Massachusetts 01518-1231 Web: http:// > www.ssgreenberg.name > Other Email: s.greenberg(a)ieee.org ssg(a)alum.mit.edu > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Mon, 09 Nov 2009 12:42:18 -0500 > From: kstratton(a)fastmail.us > Subject: Re: [Wlug] Socializing > To: "Worcester Linux Users Group" <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org>, "Worcester > Linux Users Group" <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> > Message-ID: <1257788538.27617.1344329367(a)webmail.messagingengine.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Although I am mostly a lurker, I am from the Hartford area. I have > been > meaning to go to a meeting ot two, but the drive home would be a > little > late for the the next day's work. > > On Mon, 09 Nov 2009 12:18 -0500, "Steven Greenberg" > <steve(a)ssgreenberg.name> wrote: >> I'm in Sturbridge. So Worcester might be the central place >> between Framingham and Sturbridge. >> >> /Steve >> >> wlug-request(a)mail.wlug.org wrote: >>> >>> Subject: >>> Re: [Wlug] HSI Vent Maybe Help? >>> From: >>> Jordan Wade <jordan.wade(a)gmail.com> >>> Date: >>> Mon, 9 Nov 2009 09:41:17 -0500 >>> To: >>> Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> >>> >>> To: >>> Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> >>> >>> >>> I'd be up for some socializing if anyone wants to meet up. Also, >>> I'm >>> curious, is everyone actually in/around Worcester or do we have lots >>> of people from farther out too? (I'm in Framingham, for example.) >>> >>> Jordan >>> >> >> >> -- >> Steven Greenberg Email: steve(a)ssgreenberg.name >> 251 Holland Rd. Phone: (774)241-0095 >> Fiskdale, Massachusetts 01518-1231 Web: http://www.ssgreenberg.name >> Other Email: s.greenberg(a)ieee.org ssg(a)alum.mit.edu >> _______________________________________________ >> Wlug mailing list >> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > -- > > kstratton(a)fastmail.us > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2009 12:45:55 -0500 > From: kpoisant(a)gmail.com > Subject: [Wlug] To jordan > To: "wlug(a)mail.wlug.org" <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> > Message-ID: <ED773A92-5057-4B6A-BFC2-CEC140434ACA(a)gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed > > Socializing isnt a bad idea. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Nov 9, 2009, at 12:00 PM, wlug-request(a)mail.wlug.org wrote: > >> Send Wlug mailing list submissions to >> wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> wlug-request(a)mail.wlug.org >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> wlug-owner(a)mail.wlug.org >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >> than "Re: Contents of Wlug digest..." >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. Re: HSI Vent Maybe Help? (Jordan Wade) >> >> >> --- >> ------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2009 09:41:17 -0500 >> From: Jordan Wade <jordan.wade(a)gmail.com> >> Subject: Re: [Wlug] HSI Vent Maybe Help? >> To: Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> >> Message-ID: >> <7e68ff860911090641g7defa3aak5fd4cdd0bfb4c449(a)mail.gmail.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >> >> I'd be up for some socializing if anyone wants to meet up. Also, I'm >> curious, is everyone actually in/around Worcester or do we have lots >> of people from farther out too? (I'm in Framingham, for example.) >> >> Jordan >> >> On Fri, Nov 6, 2009 at 6:51 PM, ted <x351912(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> Hi WLUG >>> >>> So here is the info for anyone else who had my problem connecting to >>> Verizon for the first time. (I write this for the archives) >>> >>> The Westell 6100G modem default IP admin and password: >>> 192.168.1.1 >>> admin >>> password >>> >>> To access the internet and set up your account you have to go to: >>> >>> http://192.168.1.1/verizon/redirect.htm >>> >>> "Hidden Redirect Page" >>> >>> You click the disable button, and then your on the internet. >>> >>> The tech support guy then insisted on helping me set up my Verizon >>> email. Not necessary, but I didn't want to hang up on the guy. >>> >>> Oh, and does the WLUG go out for beer anytime? (as in non-meeting >>> socializing?) >>> >>> Ted >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wlug mailing list >>> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >>> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >>> >>> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wlug mailing list >> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >> >> >> End of Wlug Digest, Vol 73, Issue 6 >> *********************************** > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2009 13:21:27 -0500 > From: James Gray <jamespgray(a)gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [Wlug] HSI Vent Maybe Help? > To: Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> > Message-ID: > <1a6cab400911091021s7e8556d1yfad0370685478f03(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 9:41 AM, Jordan Wade <jordan.wade(a)gmail.com> > wrote: >> I'd be up for some socializing if anyone wants to meet up. > > Hi Jordan, I would be up for that. I also coincidentally live in > Framingham. > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2009 15:45:51 -0500 > From: "Nick Nassar" <nassar(a)alum.wpi.edu> > Subject: [Wlug] web hosting? > To: "'Worcester Linux Users Group'" <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> > Message-ID: <38E9BBA57D074BE6BD53670745456C8F(a)WCCATV13.local> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Fellow Linux Users, > > > > Does anyone have any recommendations for a cheap, relatively Apache/ > MySQL/PHP web and POP/IMAP email host? Preferably someplace local. > It doesn?t have to be too powerful. A few gigabytes of storage space > and max bandwidth in the range of tens of gigabytes per month. > > > > Thanks > > Nick > >

Nov. 10, 2009

Re: [Wlug] Where im from

by kpoisant＠gmail.com

Im from sturbridge i already emailed two people concerning socializing im from sturbridge mass. Worcesters not to far unfamiliar with framingham. Looking forward to meeting you all on the 18th although it would be nice to meet before hand so i dont feel so new haha (: kevin Sent from my iPhone On Nov 10, 2009, at 8:46 AM, wlug-request(a)mail.wlug.org wrote: > Send Wlug mailing list submissions to > wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > wlug-request(a)mail.wlug.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > wlug-owner(a)mail.wlug.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Wlug digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Socializing (Steven Greenberg) > 2. Re: Socializing (kstratton(a)fastmail.us) > 3. To jordan (kpoisant(a)gmail.com) > 4. Re: HSI Vent Maybe Help? (James Gray) > 5. web hosting? (Nick Nassar) > 6. Re: Socializing (Theodore Ruegsegger) > 7. Re: web hosting? (Tal Cohen) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 09 Nov 2009 12:18:14 -0500 > From: Steven Greenberg <steve(a)ssgreenberg.name> > Subject: [Wlug] Socializing > To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > Message-ID: <4AF84ED6.9000407(a)ssgreenberg.name> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > I'm in Sturbridge. So Worcester might be the central place > between Framingham and Sturbridge. > > /Steve > > wlug-request(a)mail.wlug.org wrote: >> >> Subject: >> Re: [Wlug] HSI Vent Maybe Help? >> From: >> Jordan Wade <jordan.wade(a)gmail.com> >> Date: >> Mon, 9 Nov 2009 09:41:17 -0500 >> To: >> Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> >> >> To: >> Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> >> >> >> I'd be up for some socializing if anyone wants to meet up. Also, I'm >> curious, is everyone actually in/around Worcester or do we have lots >> of people from farther out too? (I'm in Framingham, for example.) >> >> Jordan >> > > > -- > Steven Greenberg Email: steve(a)ssgreenberg.name > 251 Holland Rd. Phone: (774)241-0095 > Fiskdale, Massachusetts 01518-1231 Web: http:// > www.ssgreenberg.name > Other Email: s.greenberg(a)ieee.org ssg(a)alum.mit.edu > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Mon, 09 Nov 2009 12:42:18 -0500 > From: kstratton(a)fastmail.us > Subject: Re: [Wlug] Socializing > To: "Worcester Linux Users Group" <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org>, "Worcester > Linux Users Group" <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> > Message-ID: <1257788538.27617.1344329367(a)webmail.messagingengine.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Although I am mostly a lurker, I am from the Hartford area. I have > been > meaning to go to a meeting ot two, but the drive home would be a > little > late for the the next day's work. > > On Mon, 09 Nov 2009 12:18 -0500, "Steven Greenberg" > <steve(a)ssgreenberg.name> wrote: >> I'm in Sturbridge. So Worcester might be the central place >> between Framingham and Sturbridge. >> >> /Steve >> >> wlug-request(a)mail.wlug.org wrote: >>> >>> Subject: >>> Re: [Wlug] HSI Vent Maybe Help? >>> From: >>> Jordan Wade <jordan.wade(a)gmail.com> >>> Date: >>> Mon, 9 Nov 2009 09:41:17 -0500 >>> To: >>> Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> >>> >>> To: >>> Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> >>> >>> >>> I'd be up for some socializing if anyone wants to meet up. Also, >>> I'm >>> curious, is everyone actually in/around Worcester or do we have lots >>> of people from farther out too? (I'm in Framingham, for example.) >>> >>> Jordan >>> >> >> >> -- >> Steven Greenberg Email: steve(a)ssgreenberg.name >> 251 Holland Rd. Phone: (774)241-0095 >> Fiskdale, Massachusetts 01518-1231 Web: http://www.ssgreenberg.name >> Other Email: s.greenberg(a)ieee.org ssg(a)alum.mit.edu >> _______________________________________________ >> Wlug mailing list >> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > -- > > kstratton(a)fastmail.us > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2009 12:45:55 -0500 > From: kpoisant(a)gmail.com > Subject: [Wlug] To jordan > To: "wlug(a)mail.wlug.org" <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> > Message-ID: <ED773A92-5057-4B6A-BFC2-CEC140434ACA(a)gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed > > Socializing isnt a bad idea. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Nov 9, 2009, at 12:00 PM, wlug-request(a)mail.wlug.org wrote: > >> Send Wlug mailing list submissions to >> wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> wlug-request(a)mail.wlug.org >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> wlug-owner(a)mail.wlug.org >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >> than "Re: Contents of Wlug digest..." >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. Re: HSI Vent Maybe Help? (Jordan Wade) >> >> >> --- >> ------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2009 09:41:17 -0500 >> From: Jordan Wade <jordan.wade(a)gmail.com> >> Subject: Re: [Wlug] HSI Vent Maybe Help? >> To: Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> >> Message-ID: >> <7e68ff860911090641g7defa3aak5fd4cdd0bfb4c449(a)mail.gmail.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >> >> I'd be up for some socializing if anyone wants to meet up. Also, I'm >> curious, is everyone actually in/around Worcester or do we have lots >> of people from farther out too? (I'm in Framingham, for example.) >> >> Jordan >> >> On Fri, Nov 6, 2009 at 6:51 PM, ted <x351912(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> Hi WLUG >>> >>> So here is the info for anyone else who had my problem connecting to >>> Verizon for the first time. (I write this for the archives) >>> >>> The Westell 6100G modem default IP admin and password: >>> 192.168.1.1 >>> admin >>> password >>> >>> To access the internet and set up your account you have to go to: >>> >>> http://192.168.1.1/verizon/redirect.htm >>> >>> "Hidden Redirect Page" >>> >>> You click the disable button, and then your on the internet. >>> >>> The tech support guy then insisted on helping me set up my Verizon >>> email. Not necessary, but I didn't want to hang up on the guy. >>> >>> Oh, and does the WLUG go out for beer anytime? (as in non-meeting >>> socializing?) >>> >>> Ted >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wlug mailing list >>> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >>> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >>> >>> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wlug mailing list >> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >> >> >> End of Wlug Digest, Vol 73, Issue 6 >> *********************************** > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2009 13:21:27 -0500 > From: James Gray <jamespgray(a)gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [Wlug] HSI Vent Maybe Help? > To: Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> > Message-ID: > <1a6cab400911091021s7e8556d1yfad0370685478f03(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 9:41 AM, Jordan Wade <jordan.wade(a)gmail.com> > wrote: >> I'd be up for some socializing if anyone wants to meet up. > > Hi Jordan, I would be up for that. I also coincidentally live in > Framingham. > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2009 15:45:51 -0500 > From: "Nick Nassar" <nassar(a)alum.wpi.edu> > Subject: [Wlug] web hosting? > To: "'Worcester Linux Users Group'" <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> > Message-ID: <38E9BBA57D074BE6BD53670745456C8F(a)WCCATV13.local> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Fellow Linux Users, > > > > Does anyone have any recommendations for a cheap, relatively Apache/ > MySQL/PHP web and POP/IMAP email host? Preferably someplace local. > It doesn?t have to be too powerful. A few gigabytes of storage space > and max bandwidth in the range of tens of gigabytes per month. > > > > Thanks > > Nick > >

Nov. 10, 2009

Re: [Wlug] web hosting?

by Tal Cohen

They are not local, but I've had pretty good luck with HostGator. They are probably not the cheapest, but I get SSH access and they have been good about installing perl modules for me when I needed them (before I had SSH access). ----- Original Message ----- From: Nick Nassar To: 'Worcester Linux Users Group' Sent: Monday, November 09, 2009 3:45 PM Subject: [Wlug] web hosting? Fellow Linux Users, Does anyone have any recommendations for a cheap, relatively Apache/MySQL/PHP web and POP/IMAP email host? Preferably someplace local. It doesn’t have to be too powerful. A few gigabytes of storage space and max bandwidth in the range of tens of gigabytes per month. Thanks Nick ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Nov. 10, 2009

Re: [Wlug] Socializing

by Theodore Ruegsegger

You mean actually meet, in virtual cyberspace, aka meatspace? Eeuw! ;-) I'm newly back in New England after an 18-year exile; live in Monson, a bit more westerly than Sturbridge... Ted

Nov. 10, 2009

web hosting?

by Nick Nassar

Fellow Linux Users, Does anyone have any recommendations for a cheap, relatively Apache/MySQL/PHP web and POP/IMAP email host? Preferably someplace local. It doesn’t have to be too powerful. A few gigabytes of storage space and max bandwidth in the range of tens of gigabytes per month. Thanks Nick

Nov. 9, 2009

Re: [Wlug] HSI Vent Maybe Help?

by James Gray

On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 9:41 AM, Jordan Wade <jordan.wade(a)gmail.com> wrote: > I'd be up for some socializing if anyone wants to meet up. Hi Jordan, I would be up for that. I also coincidentally live in Framingham.

Nov. 9, 2009

To jordan

by kpoisant＠gmail.com

Socializing isnt a bad idea. Sent from my iPhone On Nov 9, 2009, at 12:00 PM, wlug-request(a)mail.wlug.org wrote: > Send Wlug mailing list submissions to > wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > wlug-request(a)mail.wlug.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > wlug-owner(a)mail.wlug.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Wlug digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: HSI Vent Maybe Help? (Jordan Wade) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2009 09:41:17 -0500 > From: Jordan Wade <jordan.wade(a)gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [Wlug] HSI Vent Maybe Help? > To: Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> > Message-ID: > <7e68ff860911090641g7defa3aak5fd4cdd0bfb4c449(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > I'd be up for some socializing if anyone wants to meet up. Also, I'm > curious, is everyone actually in/around Worcester or do we have lots > of people from farther out too? (I'm in Framingham, for example.) > > Jordan > > On Fri, Nov 6, 2009 at 6:51 PM, ted <x351912(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> Hi WLUG >> >> So here is the info for anyone else who had my problem connecting to >> Verizon for the first time. (I write this for the archives) >> >> The Westell 6100G modem default IP admin and password: >> 192.168.1.1 >> admin >> password >> >> To access the internet and set up your account you have to go to: >> >> http://192.168.1.1/verizon/redirect.htm >> >> "Hidden Redirect Page" >> >> You click the disable button, and then your on the internet. >> >> The tech support guy then insisted on helping me set up my Verizon >> email. Not necessary, but I didn't want to hang up on the guy. >> >> Oh, and does the WLUG go out for beer anytime? (as in non-meeting >> socializing?) >> >> Ted >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wlug mailing list >> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >> >> > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > End of Wlug Digest, Vol 73, Issue 6 > ***********************************

Nov. 9, 2009

Re: [Wlug] Socializing

by kstratton＠fastmail.us

Although I am mostly a lurker, I am from the Hartford area. I have been meaning to go to a meeting ot two, but the drive home would be a little late for the the next day's work. On Mon, 09 Nov 2009 12:18 -0500, "Steven Greenberg" <steve(a)ssgreenberg.name> wrote: > I'm in Sturbridge. So Worcester might be the central place > between Framingham and Sturbridge. > > /Steve > > wlug-request(a)mail.wlug.org wrote: > > > > Subject: > > Re: [Wlug] HSI Vent Maybe Help? > > From: > > Jordan Wade <jordan.wade(a)gmail.com> > > Date: > > Mon, 9 Nov 2009 09:41:17 -0500 > > To: > > Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> > > > > To: > > Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> > > > > > > I'd be up for some socializing if anyone wants to meet up. Also, I'm > > curious, is everyone actually in/around Worcester or do we have lots > > of people from farther out too? (I'm in Framingham, for example.) > > > > Jordan > > > > > -- > Steven Greenberg Email: steve(a)ssgreenberg.name > 251 Holland Rd. Phone: (774)241-0095 > Fiskdale, Massachusetts 01518-1231 Web: http://www.ssgreenberg.name > Other Email: s.greenberg(a)ieee.org ssg(a)alum.mit.edu > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug -- kstratton(a)fastmail.us

Nov. 9, 2009

Socializing

by Steven Greenberg

I'm in Sturbridge. So Worcester might be the central place between Framingham and Sturbridge. /Steve wlug-request(a)mail.wlug.org wrote: > > Subject: > Re: [Wlug] HSI Vent Maybe Help? > From: > Jordan Wade <jordan.wade(a)gmail.com> > Date: > Mon, 9 Nov 2009 09:41:17 -0500 > To: > Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> > > To: > Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> > > > I'd be up for some socializing if anyone wants to meet up. Also, I'm > curious, is everyone actually in/around Worcester or do we have lots > of people from farther out too? (I'm in Framingham, for example.) > > Jordan > -- Steven Greenberg Email: steve(a)ssgreenberg.name 251 Holland Rd. Phone: (774)241-0095 Fiskdale, Massachusetts 01518-1231 Web: http://www.ssgreenberg.name Other Email: s.greenberg(a)ieee.org ssg(a)alum.mit.edu

Nov. 9, 2009

Re: [Wlug] HSI Vent Maybe Help?

by Jordan Wade

I'd be up for some socializing if anyone wants to meet up. Also, I'm curious, is everyone actually in/around Worcester or do we have lots of people from farther out too? (I'm in Framingham, for example.) Jordan On Fri, Nov 6, 2009 at 6:51 PM, ted <x351912(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Hi WLUG > > So here is the info for anyone else who had my problem connecting to > Verizon for the first time. (I write this for the archives) > > The Westell 6100G modem default IP admin and password: > 192.168.1.1 > admin > password > > To access the internet and set up your account you have to go to: > > http://192.168.1.1/verizon/redirect.htm > > "Hidden Redirect Page" > > You click the disable button, and then your on the internet. > > The tech support guy then insisted on helping me set up my Verizon > email. Not necessary, but I didn't want to hang up on the guy. > > Oh, and does the WLUG go out for beer anytime? (as in non-meeting > socializing?) > > Ted > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > >

Nov. 9, 2009

Re: [Wlug] Old laptop for sale - $5.00

by Adam Keck

The current buyer is still interested. Re: wireless, it's probably too old for wireless, unless you had a PCMCIA wireless (pre-cardbus). It really only has toy value at this point. E.g., it plays classic DOS games really well. For your friend, I would watch woot.com for their netbook sales. I got a new EEE PC for 170.00 a few months ago. -Adam On Fri, Nov 6, 2009 at 6:45 PM, Michael Long <mlong(a)datalong.com> wrote: > Hi Adam, > > > > Have you had any takers. I am in need of a laptop for a woman who is > bedridden and in a lot of pain. She is still sharp and is looking to be able > to communicate with others online. Does this laptop have a wireless card or > at least the capabilities for adding one? > > > > Thanks, > > Mike > > > > > > *From:* Adam Keck [mailto:ghostis@gmail.com] > *Sent:* Friday, November 06, 2009 9:44 AM > *To:* Worcester Linux Users Group > *Subject:* [Wlug] Old laptop for sale - $5.00 > > > > Hi All, > > I have an ancient laptop that I am done playing with. Would anyone like > it? > > Gateway Solo 2000, model 9100 > > http://people.usd.edu/~djennewe/solo9100.html<http://people.usd.edu/%7Edjennewe/solo9100.html> > > P150 MMX > 192MB of RAM > 2 GB HD > Composite video in/out > Audio in/out > CDROM (needs some fiddling to keep shut) > 3.5 inch floppy drive > 2x USB 1.1 > PS/2 > ~13.3 inch XGA screen (I think) > CHIPS 65554 graphics > PCMCIA slot for network etc > > Some case damage to the hinge area, but it still opens and closes > correctly. > > Please reply off-list, if you are interested. Thanks! > > -Adam > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > >

Nov. 7, 2009

Re: [Wlug] HSI Vent Maybe Help?

by Mike Frysinger

On Friday 06 November 2009 18:51:42 ted wrote: > So here is the info for anyone else who had my problem connecting to > Verizon for the first time. (I write this for the archives) > > The Westell 6100G modem default IP admin and password: > 192.168.1.1 > admin > password > > To access the internet and set up your account you have to go to: > > http://192.168.1.1/verizon/redirect.htm > > "Hidden Redirect Page" > > You click the disable button, and then your on the internet. indeed. i vaguely recall the modem setting up some redirect hacks such that people plugging in the modem for the first time would get redirected to the internal modem web page for all web sites. but it only really worked on the computer that was directly plugged into the modem, and for Windows users, and for the IE browser. luckily for me ive seen this kind of crap before (hotels' "automatic" network setups) so i could guess at the internal web pages rather than having to slug through another verizon tech call. hopefully your post saves someone else the verizon tech call too :) -mike

Nov. 7, 2009

Re: [Wlug] HSI Vent Maybe Help?

by ted

Hi WLUG So here is the info for anyone else who had my problem connecting to Verizon for the first time. (I write this for the archives) The Westell 6100G modem default IP admin and password: 192.168.1.1 admin password To access the internet and set up your account you have to go to: http://192.168.1.1/verizon/redirect.htm "Hidden Redirect Page" You click the disable button, and then your on the internet. The tech support guy then insisted on helping me set up my Verizon email. Not necessary, but I didn't want to hang up on the guy. Oh, and does the WLUG go out for beer anytime? (as in non-meeting socializing?) Ted

Nov. 6, 2009