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Reminder: WLUG Meeting Tonight 7PM: IPv6

by Chuck Anderson

Sorry for the late reminder. Please join us tonight for a talk about IPv6! On Fri, Sep 09, 2011 at 08:48:46AM -0400, Chuck Anderson wrote: > Hi folks, > Our next WLUG meeting is Wednesday, September 14 at 7:00 PM at the WPI > campus in Worcester, MA USA. The meeting room is in WPI's Morgan Hall > (building 'H' on the campus map [1]), down the hallway to the right of > the dining hall entrance. > > [1] http://www.wpi.edu/Images/CMS/WPI/walkingmap.pdf > > This month, I'll be giving a talk on Internet Protocol Version 6, > including basics of how it works, how to configure it on various > systems, and various issues & benefits to using IPv6. > > After the meeting, we'll go out for pizza. > > See you all there, > Chuck > President, Worcester Linux Users' Group

Sept. 14, 2011

Announce: WLUG Meeting 9/14 7PM: IPv6

by Chuck Anderson

Hi folks, Our next WLUG meeting is Wednesday, September 14 at 7:00 PM at the WPI campus in Worcester, MA USA. The meeting room is in WPI's Morgan Hall (building 'H' on the campus map [1]), down the hallway to the right of the dining hall entrance. [1] http://www.wpi.edu/Images/CMS/WPI/walkingmap.pdf This month, I'll be giving a talk on Internet Protocol Version 6, including basics of how it works, how to configure it on various systems, and various issues & benefits to using IPv6. After the meeting, we'll go out for pizza. See you all there, Chuck President, Worcester Linux Users' Group

Sept. 9, 2011

Re: [Wlug] Drive cage recommendations?

by John Stoffel

Tim> I'd say it's a choice between the two iStarUSA units. Do you Tim> want hot swappable or not? I'd *like* hot swappable, but it's not required. But it would be nice. I've got four hidden 3.5" bays inside the system I can use as well, so I'm not too limited spacewise. Tim> On Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 11:23 AM, John Stoffel <john(a)stoffel.org> wrote: >> >> Guys, >> >> I'm looking to add one or more of those 2x5.25" bay to 3x3.5" disk >> cages to my main file server, which is a CoolerMaster Centurion 534 >> case, which has tabs in between each 5.25" bay to help hold things in >> place. I thought about the 3x5.25 -> 4/5x3.5" expanders, but since I >> have four free 5.25" slots, it makes more sense to use a pair of >> 2x5.25"->3x3.5" cages. Plus most of the larger expanders won't work >> with tabs in the case. >> >> Part of my criteria is: cost, quiet cooling fan, durability of sleds, >> SATA III support, abitily to replace the cooling fan if it's too >> loud. >> >> So here's my top four choices. The IcyDock is the most expensive by >> far. Not sure I'd go for it... sorta leaning towards the iStarUSA >> models. The Norco has no reviews on newegg, so I'm leary of it. >> >> iStarUSA BPN-DE230SS-BLACK 2 x 5.25" to 3 x 3.5" SAS/SATA Trayless >> Hot-Swap Cage - OEM >> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16816215240 >> >> iStarUSA BPU-230SATA-BPL 2x5.25" to 3x3.5" SAS/SATA 6.0 Gb/s Hot-Swap >> Cage - Lockable >> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817121912 >> >> NORCO SS-300 3 Bay 3.5" SATA/SAS Hot Swap Rack Module >> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16816133050 >> >> ICY DOCK MB453IPF-B 3 in 2 3.5' SATA I & II Hot-Swap Internal >> Backplane Raid Cage Module >> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817994052 >> >> >> And a fall back model which should work just fine in my case, and >> which is really cheap, but takes up three 5.25" bays to hold 4 drives >> and isn't hot swappable... >> >> COOLER MASTER STB-3T4-E3-GP 4-in-3 Device Module Hardisk Cage >> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817993002 >> >> Thanks, >> John >> _______________________________________________ >> Wlug mailing list >> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >> Tim> -- Tim> I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their Tim> constituents as "consumers". Tim> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Tim> _______________________________________________ Tim> Wlug mailing list Tim> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org Tim> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug --

Sept. 7, 2011

Re: [Wlug] Drive cage recommendations?

by Tim Keller

I'd say it's a choice between the two iStarUSA units. Do you want hot swappable or not? On Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 11:23 AM, John Stoffel <john(a)stoffel.org> wrote: > > Guys, > > I'm looking to add one or more of those 2x5.25" bay to 3x3.5" disk > cages to my main file server, which is a CoolerMaster Centurion 534 > case, which has tabs in between each 5.25" bay to help hold things in > place. I thought about the 3x5.25 -> 4/5x3.5" expanders, but since I > have four free 5.25" slots, it makes more sense to use a pair of > 2x5.25"->3x3.5" cages. Plus most of the larger expanders won't work > with tabs in the case. > > Part of my criteria is: cost, quiet cooling fan, durability of sleds, > SATA III support, abitily to replace the cooling fan if it's too > loud. > > So here's my top four choices. The IcyDock is the most expensive by > far. Not sure I'd go for it... sorta leaning towards the iStarUSA > models. The Norco has no reviews on newegg, so I'm leary of it. > > iStarUSA BPN-DE230SS-BLACK 2 x 5.25" to 3 x 3.5" SAS/SATA Trayless > Hot-Swap Cage - OEM > http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16816215240 > > iStarUSA BPU-230SATA-BPL 2x5.25" to 3x3.5" SAS/SATA 6.0 Gb/s Hot-Swap > Cage - Lockable > http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817121912 > > NORCO SS-300 3 Bay 3.5" SATA/SAS Hot Swap Rack Module > http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16816133050 > > ICY DOCK MB453IPF-B 3 in 2 3.5' SATA I & II Hot-Swap Internal > Backplane Raid Cage Module > http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817994052 > > > And a fall back model which should work just fine in my case, and > which is really cheap, but takes up three 5.25" bays to hold 4 drives > and isn't hot swappable... > > COOLER MASTER STB-3T4-E3-GP 4-in-3 Device Module Hardisk Cage > http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817993002 > > Thanks, > John > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

Sept. 7, 2011

Drive cage recommendations?

by John Stoffel

Guys, I'm looking to add one or more of those 2x5.25" bay to 3x3.5" disk cages to my main file server, which is a CoolerMaster Centurion 534 case, which has tabs in between each 5.25" bay to help hold things in place. I thought about the 3x5.25 -> 4/5x3.5" expanders, but since I have four free 5.25" slots, it makes more sense to use a pair of 2x5.25"->3x3.5" cages. Plus most of the larger expanders won't work with tabs in the case. Part of my criteria is: cost, quiet cooling fan, durability of sleds, SATA III support, abitily to replace the cooling fan if it's too loud. So here's my top four choices. The IcyDock is the most expensive by far. Not sure I'd go for it... sorta leaning towards the iStarUSA models. The Norco has no reviews on newegg, so I'm leary of it. iStarUSA BPN-DE230SS-BLACK 2 x 5.25" to 3 x 3.5" SAS/SATA Trayless Hot-Swap Cage - OEM http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16816215240 iStarUSA BPU-230SATA-BPL 2x5.25" to 3x3.5" SAS/SATA 6.0 Gb/s Hot-Swap Cage - Lockable http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817121912 NORCO SS-300 3 Bay 3.5" SATA/SAS Hot Swap Rack Module http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16816133050 ICY DOCK MB453IPF-B 3 in 2 3.5' SATA I & II Hot-Swap Internal Backplane Raid Cage Module http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817994052 And a fall back model which should work just fine in my case, and which is really cheap, but takes up three 5.25" bays to hold 4 drives and isn't hot swappable... COOLER MASTER STB-3T4-E3-GP 4-in-3 Device Module Hardisk Cage http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817993002 Thanks, John

Sept. 7, 2011

Re: [Wlug] I got Fedora Core 4 working fine.....

by Randall Mason

Yeay!!!! Sometimes it's just easier to start from a different angle. Glad you got it working and sorry I couldn't figure it out. Good luck! Randall Mason On Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 4:31 AM, Ken Jones <kjones(a)ziplink.net> wrote: > Thanks for listening. Thanks for the sympathy. > > I had Fedora Core 4 on a machine with a powerless power supply. I added > that 30G hard drive to the 150G on this machine and booted from it. Low > and Behold. CUPS works. SAMBA works. Will wonders never cease... I > even get to choose between GNOME and KDE. > > Ken > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

Aug. 31, 2011

I got Fedora Core 4 working fine.....

by Ken Jones

Thanks for listening. Thanks for the sympathy. I had Fedora Core 4 on a machine with a powerless power supply. I added that 30G hard drive to the 150G on this machine and booted from it. Low and Behold. CUPS works. SAMBA works. Will wonders never cease... I even get to choose between GNOME and KDE. Ken

Aug. 31, 2011

Re: [Wlug] Fedora 6 problems with CUPS

by Aljerin Butler,Jr.

Hello, Perhaps you might want to check out my website here. Good luck, Al Butler >________________________________ >From: "wlug-request(a)mail.wlug.org" <wlug-request(a)mail.wlug.org> >To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2011 12:00 PM >Subject: Wlug Digest, Vol 94, Issue 13 > > > >Send Wlug mailing list submissions to > wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > >To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > wlug-request(a)mail.wlug.org > >You can reach the person managing the list at > wlug-owner(a)mail.wlug.org > >When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >than "Re: Contents of Wlug digest..." > >Today's Topics: > > 1. Fedora 6 problems with CUPS (Ken Jones) > 2. Re: Fedora 6 problems with CUPS (Randall Mason) >Evidently FEDORA CORE 6 CUPS predates my BROTHER HL-5340D black and >white laser printer. Even though it does not include this BROTHER model >in its list, CUPS claims it sees the printer and that it turned the >printer on. The printer fails the test page. All my documentation is >out of date. SAMBA does not work. So much for my LINUX Antique Road >Show. I'm going to do a bit of computer hardware upgrading.. > > > >Can you try just installing it with the PPD file: >http://welcome.solutions.brother.com/bsc/public_s/id/linux/en/download_prn.… >When you select the printer, instead of looking for the printer in the list, select that you have a ppd and select the ppd that you can download from the above site for your printer. I think you have a VERY Linux compatible printer. There are also some command line instructions that would make the printer show up in the list of available printers if you click on installation instructions for ppd. > >Randall Mason >randall(a)mason.ch > > > >On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 1:29 AM, Ken Jones <kjones(a)employees.org> wrote: > >Evidently FEDORA CORE 6 CUPS predates my BROTHER HL-5340D black and >>white laser printer. Even though it does not include this BROTHER model >>in its list, CUPS claims it sees the printer and that it turned the >>printer on. The printer fails the test page. All my documentation is >>out of date. SAMBA does not work. So much for my LINUX Antique Road >>Show. I'm going to do a bit of computer hardware upgrading.. >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Wlug mailing list >>Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >>http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >> > >_______________________________________________ >Wlug mailing list >Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > >

Aug. 30, 2011

Re: [Wlug] Fedora 6 problems with CUPS

by Randall Mason

Can you try just installing it with the PPD file: http://welcome.solutions.brother.com/bsc/public_s/id/linux/en/download_prn.… When you select the printer, instead of looking for the printer in the list, select that you have a ppd and select the ppd that you can download from the above site for your printer. I think you have a VERY Linux compatible printer. There are also some command line instructions that would make the printer show up in the list of available printers if you click on installation instructions for ppd. Randall Mason randall(a)mason.ch On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 1:29 AM, Ken Jones <kjones(a)employees.org> wrote: > Evidently FEDORA CORE 6 CUPS predates my BROTHER HL-5340D black and > white laser printer. Even though it does not include this BROTHER model > in its list, CUPS claims it sees the printer and that it turned the > printer on. The printer fails the test page. All my documentation is > out of date. SAMBA does not work. So much for my LINUX Antique Road > Show. I'm going to do a bit of computer hardware upgrading.. > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

Aug. 30, 2011

Fedora 6 problems with CUPS

by Ken Jones

Evidently FEDORA CORE 6 CUPS predates my BROTHER HL-5340D black and white laser printer. Even though it does not include this BROTHER model in its list, CUPS claims it sees the printer and that it turned the printer on. The printer fails the test page. All my documentation is out of date. SAMBA does not work. So much for my LINUX Antique Road Show. I'm going to do a bit of computer hardware upgrading..

Aug. 29, 2011

Re: [Wlug] Either legitimately confused or early onset...

by Randall Mason

You actually don't want samba, that would help you serve printers. You want CUPS. Cups helpsyou serve and use printers. Rememberthe URL I sent you that started with archive? Have you tried that as a repo? Something like: baseurl= http://archive.fedoraproject.org/pub/archive/fedora/linux/core/6/i386/os/ or baseurl= http://archive.fedoraproject.org/pub/archive/fedora/linux/core/$releasever/… Also, give some better background with questions you ask, it will help people help you. -Randall On Aug 29, 2011 5:59 AM, "Ken Jones" <kjones(a)employees.org> wrote: > I've got Fedora Core 6 Evolution working so I can cut and paste. > I tried to use the "retrieve update information" tool. I think > everything is WAY out of date. The update tool said. > "Cannot find a valid baseurl for repo: extras" > > I can't find one either. I checked the fedora-core.repo file: > > $ more fedora-core.repo > [core] > name=Fedora Core $releasever - $basearch > #baseurl= http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/core/$releasever/$ba > search/os/ > > I went there and got. > > The requested URL no longer exists.... > URL /pub/fedora/linux/core/$releasever/$bahttp:// download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/core/$releasever/$basearch/os/w… not found on this server. > > All I want is SAMBA to work so I can interact with the my WINDOWS > machines - particularly the one with the BROTHER printer attached. > > Ken > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Aug. 29, 2011

Re: [Wlug] Either legitimately confused or early onset...

by Ken Jones

I've got Fedora Core 6 Evolution working so I can cut and paste. I tried to use the "retrieve update information" tool. I think everything is WAY out of date. The update tool said. "Cannot find a valid baseurl for repo: extras" I can't find one either. I checked the fedora-core.repo file: $ more fedora-core.repo [core] name=Fedora Core $releasever - $basearch #baseurl=http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/core/$releasever/$ba search/os/ I went there and got. The requested URL no longer exists.... URL /pub/fedora/linux/core/$releasever/$bahttp://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/core/$releasever/$basearch/os/ was not found on this server. All I want is SAMBA to work so I can interact with the my WINDOWS machines - particularly the one with the BROTHER printer attached. Ken

Aug. 28, 2011

Re: [Wlug] Wlug Digest, Vol 94, Issue 11

by David Hardy

*If that is an older machine with that little RAM, it will probably be more expensive to jack it up than it would be for a newer machine. I tried to go that route this past year and the cost of jacking up RAM on an older box was just prohibitive.* * * *I just got a Lenovo IdeaPad that came with 1GB of RAM and adding another gig is twelve bucks. 250GB hard drive and it had Windows 7 "Starter Edition" on it which I didn't even allow to boot up and immediately put Fedora 15 on that puppy. Sweet. With LXDE. * On Sun, Aug 28, 2011 at 12:00 PM, <wlug-request(a)mail.wlug.org> wrote: > Send Wlug mailing list submissions to > wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > wlug-request(a)mail.wlug.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > wlug-owner(a)mail.wlug.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Wlug digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Either legitimately confused or early onset.... (Ken Jones) > 2. Re: Either legitimately confused or early onset.... > (John Stoffel) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2011 21:23:31 -0400 > From: "Ken Jones" <kjones(a)ziplink.net> > Subject: [Wlug] Either legitimately confused or early onset.... > To: <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> > Message-ID: <9CF3FF0779D44C838EF50DCF1E28F2F3@kjonespc> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > I have successfully installed Fedora 6 Core. I included 'programming' > services. It said that it would install SAMBA. It did not. System > Services mentions the need for xinetd. 'Locate' finds 'xinetd' but it does > not seem to run. smbd and nmbd are nowhere to be found. Sigh..... > > My machine only has 256M ram memory. The higher numbered FEDORA packages > ask for more ram. I have a 'good' and never before used set of Fedora 6 > .iso CD-ROMs. > > Red Hat and Fedora have gone their separate ways. > > I just found > http://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/Fedora_Core/6/html/Installation_Guide/i… > . > > Looks promising. Little did I know how much has changed..... Constructive > suggestions would be appreciated. Maybe I should jump to CORE 13 or > so...... > > Ken Jones (the elder) > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://mail.wlug.org/pipermail/wlug/attachments/20110827/d5d5269d/attachmen… > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2011 21:45:58 -0400 > From: "John Stoffel" <john(a)stoffel.org> > Subject: Re: [Wlug] Either legitimately confused or early onset.... > To: Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> > Message-ID: <20057.40406.447557.594576(a)quad.stoffel.home> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > > Ken> I have successfully installed Fedora 6 Core. I included > Ken> 'programming' services. It said that it would install SAMBA. > Ken> It did not. System Services mentions the need for xinetd. > Ken> 'Locate' finds 'xinetd' but it does not seem to run. smbd and > Ken> nmbd are nowhere to be found. Sigh..... My machine only has > Ken> 256M ram memory. The higher numbered FEDORA packages ask for > Ken> more ram. I have a 'good' and never before used set of Fedora 6 > Ken> .iso CD-ROMs. > > It's time to just spring for more memory. Seriously, it's just not > that expensive. I just upgraded my kids Athlon (he's only 9) from > 768Mb (3 x 256mb) to 2.25 Gb with a pair of 1gb dimms for $23.00 > shipped. Cheap! > > Heck, I'd *give* you my two old 256Mb DDR 333 Mhz DIMMS if they'll > work for you. I certainly won't be using them again. > > Ken> Red Hat and Fedora have gone their separate ways. > > In what way do you mean? I don't understand what you're trying to say > here. > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > End of Wlug Digest, Vol 94, Issue 11 > ************************************ >

Aug. 28, 2011

Re: [Wlug] Either legitimately confused or early onset....

by John Stoffel

Ken> I have successfully installed Fedora 6 Core. I included Ken> 'programming' services. It said that it would install SAMBA. Ken> It did not. System Services mentions the need for xinetd. Ken> 'Locate' finds 'xinetd' but it does not seem to run. smbd and Ken> nmbd are nowhere to be found. Sigh..... My machine only has Ken> 256M ram memory. The higher numbered FEDORA packages ask for Ken> more ram. I have a 'good' and never before used set of Fedora 6 Ken> .iso CD-ROMs. It's time to just spring for more memory. Seriously, it's just not that expensive. I just upgraded my kids Athlon (he's only 9) from 768Mb (3 x 256mb) to 2.25 Gb with a pair of 1gb dimms for $23.00 shipped. Cheap! Heck, I'd *give* you my two old 256Mb DDR 333 Mhz DIMMS if they'll work for you. I certainly won't be using them again. Ken> Red Hat and Fedora have gone their separate ways. In what way do you mean? I don't understand what you're trying to say here.

Aug. 28, 2011

Either legitimately confused or early onset....

by Ken Jones

I have successfully installed Fedora 6 Core. I included 'programming' services. It said that it would install SAMBA. It did not. System Services mentions the need for xinetd. 'Locate' finds 'xinetd' but it does not seem to run. smbd and nmbd are nowhere to be found. Sigh..... My machine only has 256M ram memory. The higher numbered FEDORA packages ask for more ram. I have a 'good' and never before used set of Fedora 6 .iso CD-ROMs. Red Hat and Fedora have gone their separate ways. I just found http://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/Fedora_Core/6/html/Installation_Guide/i…. Looks promising. Little did I know how much has changed..... Constructive suggestions would be appreciated. Maybe I should jump to CORE 13 or so...... Ken Jones (the elder)

Aug. 28, 2011

Re: [Wlug] Fedora 15 and Burning CD

by Kevin Paetzold

I have successfully burned CD's and DVDs on fedora 15 without any problems.

Aug. 25, 2011

Re: [Wlug] Fedora 15 and Burning CD

by dulsi＠identicalsoftware.com

It definitely doesn't have any data on it. I tried multiple discs. Even if that were the case, shouldn't I have been able to burn it onto the DVD which was listed as having enough space? > Are you sure the disk is blank? Try mounting it, and try another disc to > burn on. > > Eric Martin

Aug. 25, 2011

Re: [Wlug] Fedora 15 and Burning CD

by Eric Martin

Are you sure the disk is blank? Try mounting it, and try another disc to burn on. Eric Martin On Aug 24, 2011 9:34 PM, <dulsi(a)identicalsoftware.com> wrote: > I want to burn a copy of fedora 15 32-bit on a CD but my installed fedora > 15 64-bit isn't letting me. When I put in a blank CD it tells me it has > 137.8 MB free and won't let me select that as a burn destination. It > shouldn't be 137.8 MB free as a blank CD has more space. To get it working > I decided to try burning to a DVD. Space seems correct there but again it > doesn't allow burning. > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Aug. 25, 2011

Re: [Wlug] SAMBA on Fedora 6??

by Eric Martin

Why Fedora 6 when they're on 15 or 16? Is there something keeping you for updating it? Like Randy mentioned, there are probably a bunch of security holes that are now patched but weren't before. Just asking, Eric Martin On Aug 24, 2011 10:17 PM, "Ken Jones" <kjones(a)ziplink.net> wrote: > Due to a series of incidents too complex to detail here, I have just rebuilt a desktop PC with Fedora 6. All seems fine except it does not contain SAMBA - at least I can not find the SAMBA executable on the 5 disc .iso CD set. It has been at least five years. I do not remember it being difficult back then..... > > I have gone to various places on the WEB that claim to have appropriate SAMBA versions only to discover they have been taken down. I tried the SAMBA in my FEDORA Linux 3 Bible DVD. (Many dependencies missing....) I tried the SAMBA in my SAMBA Black Book CD. I got no where. It's been soooo long. I like Fedora. Must I now go to Ubuntu? > > Ken Jones

Aug. 25, 2011

Re: [Wlug] SAMBA on Fedora 6??

by Randall Mason

http://archive.fedoraproject.org/pub/archive/fedora/linux/core/6/i386/os/Fe… It's called samba-* It's probably full of security holes though... keep that baby behind a firewall... Randall Mason randall(a)mason.ch On Thu, Aug 25, 2011 at 5:20 AM, Ken Jones <kjones(a)ziplink.net> wrote: > ** > Due to a series of incidents too complex to detail here, I have just > rebuilt a desktop PC with Fedora 6. All seems fine except it does not > contain SAMBA - at least I can not find the SAMBA executable on the 5 disc > .iso CD set. It has been at least five years. I do not remember it being > difficult back then..... > > I have gone to various places on the WEB that claim to have appropriate > SAMBA versions only to discover they have been taken down. I tried the > SAMBA in my FEDORA Linux 3 Bible DVD. (Many dependencies missing....) I > tried the SAMBA in my SAMBA Black Book CD. I got no where. It's been > soooo long. I like Fedora. Must I now go to Ubuntu? > > Ken Jones > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > >

Aug. 25, 2011

Re: [Wlug] SAMBA on Fedora 6??

by Randall Mason

http://archive.fedoraproject.org/pub/archive/fedora/linux/core/6/i386/os/Fe… It's called samba-* It's probably full of security holes though... keep that baby behind a firewall... Randall Mason randall(a)mason.ch On Thu, Aug 25, 2011 at 5:20 AM, Ken Jones <kjones(a)ziplink.net> wrote: > ** > Due to a series of incidents too complex to detail here, I have just > rebuilt a desktop PC with Fedora 6. All seems fine except it does not > contain SAMBA - at least I can not find the SAMBA executable on the 5 disc > .iso CD set. It has been at least five years. I do not remember it being > difficult back then..... > > I have gone to various places on the WEB that claim to have appropriate > SAMBA versions only to discover they have been taken down. I tried the > SAMBA in my FEDORA Linux 3 Bible DVD. (Many dependencies missing....) I > tried the SAMBA in my SAMBA Black Book CD. I got no where. It's been > soooo long. I like Fedora. Must I now go to Ubuntu? > > Ken Jones > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > >

Aug. 25, 2011

SAMBA on Fedora 6??

by Ken Jones

Due to a series of incidents too complex to detail here, I have just rebuilt a desktop PC with Fedora 6. All seems fine except it does not contain SAMBA - at least I can not find the SAMBA executable on the 5 disc .iso CD set. It has been at least five years. I do not remember it being difficult back then..... I have gone to various places on the WEB that claim to have appropriate SAMBA versions only to discover they have been taken down. I tried the SAMBA in my FEDORA Linux 3 Bible DVD. (Many dependencies missing....) I tried the SAMBA in my SAMBA Black Book CD. I got no where. It's been soooo long. I like Fedora. Must I now go to Ubuntu? Ken Jones

Aug. 25, 2011

Fedora 15 and Burning CD

by dulsi＠identicalsoftware.com

I want to burn a copy of fedora 15 32-bit on a CD but my installed fedora 15 64-bit isn't letting me. When I put in a blank CD it tells me it has 137.8 MB free and won't let me select that as a burn destination. It shouldn't be 137.8 MB free as a blank CD has more space. To get it working I decided to try burning to a DVD. Space seems correct there but again it doesn't allow burning.

Aug. 25, 2011

Re: [Wlug] Robotics and linux

by Jeff Moyer

"Ken Jones" <kjones(a)ziplink.net> writes: > Thank you, Kevin, > > As you can see from my video I have built a state-machine-only robot > out of a radio controlled model level car and an Arduino Nano > programmed in ArduinoC_0021. The idea has been to interest middle > school teachers and students in 'How things work' in 2011. Education > must be relevant. My cars can race each other around a room. Speed, > competition and the 'real world' makes relevance. Modify the code and > win the race. My project has been going on for over a year. Recently > it has been struggling. > > After watching a video of the 2012 Lexus parallel parking itself and > realizing that it is doing some mapping, I thought I would investigate > real' robotic code. ROS was suggested, but it does not seem the right > fit. > > Any suggestions would be appreciated. Hi, Ken, I think your question would best be answered by the ROS community. Try posting there[1]; I'm sure they will be more than happy to add another educator to their ranks. Cheers, Jeff [1] https://code.ros.org/mailman/listinfo/ros-users

Aug. 24, 2011

Robotics and linux

by Ken Jones

Thank you, Kevin, As you can see from my video I have built a state-machine-only robot out of a radio controlled model level car and an Arduino Nano programmed in ArduinoC_0021. The idea has been to interest middle school teachers and students in 'How things work' in 2011. Education must be relevant. My cars can race each other around a room. Speed, competition and the 'real world' makes relevance. Modify the code and win the race. My project has been going on for over a year. Recently it has been struggling. After watching a video of the 2012 Lexus parallel parking itself and realizing that it is doing some mapping, I thought I would investigate 'real' robotic code. ROS was suggested, but it does not seem the right fit. Any suggestions would be appreciated. Ken Jones

Aug. 24, 2011

ROS Robot Operating System

by Kevin Harrington NR

A much easier to use alternative to ROS would be our platform, the DyIO and the Bowler Communication Sysrtem. We use a platform independent communication platform to turn any computer into a robot. WPI is now using these controllers as the basis for all the intro and advanced robotics engineering classes. You would write code in Java (Standard Edition), execute the application of any OS, and communicate to the DyIO for all your I/O needs. We have a ton or tutorials and HowTo's for accessing the different capabilities of the DyIO. If there was some interest i could run a seminar about making robots with Linux... -- Kevin Harrington Neuron Robotics President and Founder

Aug. 24, 2011

Prin Software Embedded Engineer - Linux perm/direct

by John Spencer

Our client has a need for a Prin Software Embedded Linux Engineer. Must be LOCAL (position is northwest suburb of Boston) and must have strong background working with embedded Linux. Must be US Citizen or Permanent Resident Technical Skills include: - Extensive experience designing and implementing embedded software systems from the ground up. - Strong experience with Linux - kernel, builds, patches, etc. -Expert knowledge of C required. - Ideally this candidate will have experience to lead/implement code utilizing a custom kernel - Must have knowledge of Linux for embedded systems working with bootloaders, filesystems on a flash memory system, build a root file systems, coordinate and distribute code onto multiple microcontrollers, etc. - Expert at integrating software with electronics, including writing device drivers and debugging hardware/software, using lab equipment Please reply with a copy of your resume and any questions. Your resume will never be sent anywhere without your prior approval. Regards, John Spencer Connected Systems Partners Connecting Top Talent with Top Companies 978-455-5550 x208 978-621-9743 cell jspencer(a)connectedsp.com www.connectedsp.com GET CONNECTED! All information in this email is considered confidential and intended for the view and use of the recipient(s) only.

Aug. 16, 2011

ROS Robot Operating System

by Ken Jones

I have designed and built a robotic 1/10 scale radio control car (See link below). I added an Arduino Nano to a HPI Sprint. I have been using Windows based Arduino C code. This package is too limiting. I am considering getting into http://www.ros.org/wiki which is LINUX based. "ROS (Robot Operating System) provides libraries and tools to help software developers create robot applications. It provides hardware abstraction, device drivers, libraries, visualizers, message-passing, package management, and more." Are any of you WLUG members ROS-ites? My Linux skills have degraded due to lack of use (and old age). Here's a pointer to a youtube showing my robocar being a robot and what it is built of. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J-rgkt8WDXQ Ken Jones Fitchburg

Aug. 16, 2011

Re: [Wlug] WLUG BBQ -- Nice to see you all!

by E Johnson

Thanks for coming, & for making the WLUG BBQ a success! We got lucky on the weather... one T-storm & then clear! Everyone was wonderful! & Thanks for helping with the aftermath. What a great group! We enjoyed it. Best regards to all, Liz J

Aug. 11, 2011

Re: [Wlug] WLUG BBQ - UPDATE 5:35 pm

by Stephen Daukas

Was planning on attending, but may not be able to... Am on the road... What is the street address just in case... Steve On Wednesday, August 10, 2011, Chuck Anderson <cra(a)wpi.edu> wrote: > Agreed! > > On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 05:37:11PM -0400, Gregory Avedissian wrote: >> According to the radar, the storm will only last about 20 minutes, and then >> we'll have clear skies. Food is here, three of us are here so far. >> >> Party is ON. >> >> See you soon. > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

Aug. 10, 2011

Re: [Wlug] WLUG BBQ - UPDATE 6:00 pm (almost)

by Gregory Avedissian

Rain stopped. Sun is peeking through the clouds.

Aug. 10, 2011

Re: [Wlug] WLUG BBQ - UPDATE 5:35 pm

by Chuck Anderson

Agreed! On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 05:37:11PM -0400, Gregory Avedissian wrote: > According to the radar, the storm will only last about 20 minutes, and then > we'll have clear skies. Food is here, three of us are here so far. > > Party is ON. > > See you soon.

Aug. 10, 2011

Re: [Wlug] WLUG BBQ - UPDATE 5:35 pm

by Gregory Avedissian

According to the radar, the storm will only last about 20 minutes, and then we'll have clear skies. Food is here, three of us are here so far. Party is ON. See you soon.

Aug. 10, 2011

WLUG BBQ

by E Johnson

Hi everyone, The annual WLUG BBQ is tomorrow! Time & location & contact info has already been posted on the list. We have salad, cheese & crackers, plus a few extra goodies, & the condiments. Dogs, burgers & buns are allegedly arriving. So we expect the event to be enjoyable. A few news items & reminders: 1. We have been fairly bug-free this year, which still seems to be the case. But it is raining now, so, we'll know when we now. 2. Our Driveway is for deliveries (tables/chairs, coolers, etc., but not for Event Parking. There should be adequate parking on Hudson St. If you have a special Parking need, please let me know: iris.gates(a)gmail.com 3. We do not have an icemaker. Whoever is bringing the non-BYOB drinks (the soda), please bring cooler plus ice. If you BYOB, please provide your own cooling technique (cooler & ice) 4. My apt. is on the 3rd floor, so note that the Facilities are a few steps up. 5. Someone has promised to bring a table. That would be greatly useful. Perhaps a second table, even a small card table, would be helpful. 6. BYO lawn chair. 7. Wireless will be on & accessible, but I have not tested it in backyard. 8. If it rains or hails or otherwise becomes inclement, we can adjourn to my apt. Tall people may need a hardhat, but we can cram in. 9. Arts Worcester event is going on in Elm Park lately; there are a few things to see, should anyone wish to take a short walk. Elm Park is only a few steps away. 10. Sign on light pole out front will say WLUG. A Penguin is allegedly arriving, but no clue where he will be located. ## Who is bringing plates, cups, forks & spoons? Could you please check in here before Noon Wed. (my final shopping trip)? TY. See you tomorrow! Liz J

Aug. 9, 2011

Re: [Wlug] Solved: X apps no longer work with sudo after upgrade to Squeeze

by Jason Couture

Glad to be of assistance! This e-mail transmission, including any attachments, is intended only for the named recipient(s) and may contain information that is privileged, confidential and/or exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If you have received this transmission in error, or are not the named recipient(s), please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail and permanently delete this transmission, including any attachments. On Aug 9, 2011 3:52 PM, "Theodore Ruegsegger" <gruntly(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Jason Couture wrote: >> Have you tried using gksudo? > > Aha! That's the answer. Works fine, no reason to alter /etc/sudoers. > > Thanks very much! > > Ted Ruegsegger > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Aug. 9, 2011

Re: [Wlug] Solved: X apps no longer work with sudo after upgrade to Squeeze

by Theodore Ruegsegger

Jason Couture wrote: > Have you tried using gksudo? Aha! That's the answer. Works fine, no reason to alter /etc/sudoers. Thanks very much! Ted Ruegsegger

Aug. 9, 2011

Re: [Wlug] Solved: X apps no longer work with sudo after upgrade to Squeeze

by Jason Couture

Have you tried using gksudo? This e-mail transmission, including any attachments, is intended only for the named recipient(s) and may contain information that is privileged, confidential and/or exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If you have received this transmission in error, or are not the named recipient(s), please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail and permanently delete this transmission, including any attachments. On Aug 9, 2011 2:12 PM, "Theodore Ruegsegger" <gruntly(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Gregory Avedissian wrote: >> I can't set you straight, and I don't know the security implications, but >> this works: >> >> ssh -X user@remote-host >> su-to-root -X -c <command> >> >> You might be asked for the root password, the user password or neither, >> depending on your setup. > > Hmm...hadn't heard of su-to-root before; thanks. Googling suggests > it's a shell script, though it doesn't seem to be available on my > Ubuntu karmic or the repositories. I did find something called sux > which is an X-preserving wrapper around su. Alas, since I've disabled > the root password, I can't use that. > > I'm a little surprised sudo doesn't have a way of doing this without > security risks, since the maintainers are obviously aware of the issue > and there's enough information in the environment to deduce the > correct .Xauthority. Perhaps in the next release. > > Thanks for the reply, > Ted > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Aug. 9, 2011

Re: [Wlug] Solved: X apps no longer work with sudo after upgrade to Squeeze

by Theodore Ruegsegger

Gregory Avedissian wrote: > I can't set you straight, and I don't know the security implications, but > this works: > > ssh -X user@remote-host > su-to-root -X -c <command> > > You might be asked for the root password, the user password or neither, > depending on your setup. Hmm...hadn't heard of su-to-root before; thanks. Googling suggests it's a shell script, though it doesn't seem to be available on my Ubuntu karmic or the repositories. I did find something called sux which is an X-preserving wrapper around su. Alas, since I've disabled the root password, I can't use that. I'm a little surprised sudo doesn't have a way of doing this without security risks, since the maintainers are obviously aware of the issue and there's enough information in the environment to deduce the correct .Xauthority. Perhaps in the next release. Thanks for the reply, Ted

Aug. 9, 2011

Re: [Wlug] Solved: X apps no longer work with sudo after upgrade to Squeeze

by Gregory Avedissian

I can't set you straight, and I don't know the security implications, but this works: ssh -X user@remote-host su-to-root -X -c <command> You might be asked for the root password, the user password or neither, depending on your setup. Greg On 08/06/2011 07:40 PM, Theodore Ruegsegger wrote: > Hmm...my diagnosis was flawed. I had written: >> It looks like the newer version of sudo no longer preserves $HOME by >> default... > > It looks like the older version didn't preserve $HOME either; instead > it somehow preserved the .Xauthority information itself. As the > manpage implies, forcing it to preserve $HOME could have some security > implications. If someone knows of a more straightforward solution, > please share! > > Ted Ruegsegger > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

Aug. 9, 2011

Re: [Wlug] Reminder: WLUG BBQ: Wednesday, August 10, 6pm

by Chuck Anderson

I have the giant Tux, originally made by Doug Waud. In-Reply-To: <CABmZTj1nKqQebf74eQjoLPGC5ZctSOkoAco1YrvzSJTNi-miZw(a)mail.gmail.com> On Sat, Aug 06, 2011 at 08:01:45PM -0400, E Johnson wrote: > All of the above is correct, except I do not have a Tux Penguin. > A sign affixed to the light pole out front will say 'WLUG' & I will attempt > to draw an image of a Tux-like penguin on it. > > Everyone is welcome. See you then. > Liz J > > On 5 August 2011 22:57, Chuck Anderson <cra(a)wpi.edu> wrote: > > > Hi gang, > > > > The WLUG BBQ is coming up next week, Wednesday, August 10, starting at > > 6pm. Thanks to those who volunteered to bring items, and thanks to > > our hostess Liz Johnson. We'll have hot dogs, burgers, bratwurst, all > > the fixings, some chips/snacks, salad and soda. The grill will be > > fired up if anyone has something else they'd like to grill, and > > desserts would be welcome as well. There will be a cooler or two and > > some ice for BYOB. People should bring a lawn chair for themselves if > > they wish to sit down. Based on past BBQ's, I'm expecting about 15-20 > > people, perhaps more. > > > > The address: > > > > 34 Hudson St, Worcester, MA (It is a green house, one house south of > > Elm St. Elm St runs east/west along Elm Park and Hudson St is one > > block east of Park Ave.) > > > > Look for a "WLUG" sign on the city light pole, as well as a big Tux > > Penguin. If you get lost you can call Liz at 508-471-4407. > > > > Hope to see you there! > > Chuck > > WLUG President

Aug. 7, 2011

Re: [Wlug] Reminder: WLUG BBQ: Wednesday, August 10, 6pm

by E Johnson

All of the above is correct, except I do not have a Tux Penguin. A sign affixed to the light pole out front will say 'WLUG' & I will attempt to draw an image of a Tux-like penguin on it. Everyone is welcome. See you then. Liz J On 5 August 2011 22:57, Chuck Anderson <cra(a)wpi.edu> wrote: > Hi gang, > > The WLUG BBQ is coming up next week, Wednesday, August 10, starting at > 6pm. Thanks to those who volunteered to bring items, and thanks to > our hostess Liz Johnson. We'll have hot dogs, burgers, bratwurst, all > the fixings, some chips/snacks, salad and soda. The grill will be > fired up if anyone has something else they'd like to grill, and > desserts would be welcome as well. There will be a cooler or two and > some ice for BYOB. People should bring a lawn chair for themselves if > they wish to sit down. Based on past BBQ's, I'm expecting about 15-20 > people, perhaps more. > > The address: > > 34 Hudson St, Worcester, MA (It is a green house, one house south of > Elm St. Elm St runs east/west along Elm Park and Hudson St is one > block east of Park Ave.) > > Look for a "WLUG" sign on the city light pole, as well as a big Tux > Penguin. If you get lost you can call Liz at 508-471-4407. > > Hope to see you there! > Chuck > WLUG President > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > >

Aug. 7, 2011

Re: [Wlug] Solved: X apps no longer work with sudo after upgrade to Squeeze

by Theodore Ruegsegger

Hmm...my diagnosis was flawed. I had written: > It looks like the newer version of sudo no longer preserves $HOME by > default... It looks like the older version didn't preserve $HOME either; instead it somehow preserved the .Xauthority information itself. As the manpage implies, forcing it to preserve $HOME could have some security implications. If someone knows of a more straightforward solution, please share! Ted Ruegsegger

Aug. 6, 2011

Solved: X apps no longer work with sudo after upgrade to Squeeze

by Theodore Ruegsegger

I could have guessed I'd find the answer just after posting, but perhaps this will make it easier for the next googler. I had written: > Summary: After upgrade from Lenny to Squeeze, I can no longer execute > X apps using sudo in an ssh session. Why not, and how can I restore > this ability? A careful reading of the manpage for the /etc/sudoers file (man 5 sudoers) yields this insight, under EXAMPLES: # Run X applications through sudo; HOME is used to find the # .Xauthority file. Note that other programs use HOME to find # configuration files and this may lead to privilege escalation! Defaults env_keep += "DISPLAY HOME" It looks like the newer version of sudo no longer preserves $HOME by default (although, the above notwithstanding, it does keep $DISPLAY). Adding the following line to my /etc/sudoers restored my ability to run X apps via sudo: Defaults env_keep += "HOME" Hope someone else finds this helpful. Ted Ruegsegger

Aug. 6, 2011

X apps no longer work with sudo after upgrade to Squeeze

by Theodore Ruegsegger

Summary: After upgrade from Lenny to Squeeze, I can no longer execute X apps using sudo in an ssh session. Why not, and how can I restore this ability? Details: I just got around to upgrading [1] a server to from Debian Lenny to Debian Squeeze. Normally I access it via ssh with X forwarding so that I can display any X apps on my workstation [2]. I have root logins disabled and use sudo instead when I wish to run an app as root. Under Lenny, I could execute X apps under sudo and they would display just fine, for example: sudo xless some-file [prompts for my password] [xless opens in a window on my workstation] Under Squeeze, the attempt fails with an error message: sudo xless some-file [prompts for my password] X11 connection rejected because of wrong authentication. Error: Can't open display: localhost:10.0 Googling "X forwarding sudo" gives me lots of explanations about .Xauthority and cookies but nothing that explains why I should now need to manage this myself when I didn't need to before. Can anyone set me straight? Ted Ruegsegger __________________________ Notes: [1] More precisely, I didn't dist-upgrade it (that's another story) but installed Squeeze from scratch, preserving the /home partition and repeating my original configuration steps. [2] This server doesn't run a GUI desktop.

Aug. 6, 2011

Reminder: WLUG BBQ: Wednesday, August 10, 6pm

by Chuck Anderson

Hi gang, The WLUG BBQ is coming up next week, Wednesday, August 10, starting at 6pm. Thanks to those who volunteered to bring items, and thanks to our hostess Liz Johnson. We'll have hot dogs, burgers, bratwurst, all the fixings, some chips/snacks, salad and soda. The grill will be fired up if anyone has something else they'd like to grill, and desserts would be welcome as well. There will be a cooler or two and some ice for BYOB. People should bring a lawn chair for themselves if they wish to sit down. Based on past BBQ's, I'm expecting about 15-20 people, perhaps more. The address: 34 Hudson St, Worcester, MA (It is a green house, one house south of Elm St. Elm St runs east/west along Elm Park and Hudson St is one block east of Park Ave.) Look for a "WLUG" sign on the city light pole, as well as a big Tux Penguin. If you get lost you can call Liz at 508-471-4407. Hope to see you there! Chuck WLUG President

Aug. 6, 2011

WLUG BBQ

by Chuck Anderson

We need some volunteers to help make this BBQ a success. Who can help by picking up the following items and bringing them to the BBQ? WLUG will reimburse for food & supplies (please save receipts). Please email me back if you can help out with anything. 0. Burgers, Hot Dogs, Buns 1. Cheese, Condiments 2. Soda, Ice 3. Utensils, Plates, Napkins 4. Chips/dip/snacks Also, if anyone has the following items we could use, that would be helpful: 5. A couple tables 6. Lawn chairs (I have some coolers I can bring) Beyond that, people can bring whatever BYOB, desserts, or other items they wish. On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 10:06:50PM -0400, E Johnson wrote: > Aug 10 will do. > > Bring lawn chairs & etc. Need extra table or 2. > I will make sure there is propane for the grill. Refrig can hold some stuff, > but bring coolers for the most critical items. > Will make sure grass is mowed & etc. Will make potato salad & get tomatoes > from Farm Market. > > 34 Hudson St Worcester (top floor) > It's not beautiful, but it's certainly central. > > Liz J > 508-471-4407 > > On 11 July 2011 21:55, Chuck Anderson <cra(a)wpi.edu> wrote: > > > Thanks for volunteering Liz! Would people like to have this on our > > regularly scheduled 2nd Wednesday of August 10, perhaps starting at > > 6pm? If not, July 27th also works for me. > > > > On Wed, Jul 06, 2011 at 07:17:59PM -0400, E Johnson wrote: > > > We might be able to host this year. I am near WPI near Elm Park. > > > > > > We have one propane grill here now. Have backyard, would need chairs & > > > prob. table or 2 (bring yours) > > > > > > Note > I am a Tenant not Owner. owner would not mind low-key geekly > > > club. Clloers for drinks & ice & grill meats would be needed. > > > > > > I can turn on the wireless and/or throw down a long ethernet cable > > > with/without 2nd wireless router, for use during the event. > > > > > > Facilities (including B-room) in my place are small but certainly > > > usable. These are on 3rd Floor, but obviously yard is on ground level. > > > > > > We have been rather bug-free so far this season. > > > > > > Shoot for late July / early Aug if this sounds good, & commit for > > > supplies/details if you want to use this venue. I will make a nice > > > tomato salad and some other compliments to carnivoer fare. If all > > > else fails, TechPizza is onlt a phone call away. > > > > > > Liz J > > > More anchovies please

July 21, 2011

Announce: no meeting tonight

by Chuck Anderson

We're going to take this month off. See you all at the WLUG BBQ on August 10! Chuck

July 13, 2011

Re: [Wlug] WLUG BBQ

by E Johnson

Aug 10 will do. Bring lawn chairs & etc. Need extra table or 2. I will make sure there is propane for the grill. Refrig can hold some stuff, but bring coolers for the most critical items. Will make sure grass is mowed & etc. Will make potato salad & get tomatoes from Farm Market. 34 Hudson St Worcester (top floor) It's not beautiful, but it's certainly central. Liz J 508-471-4407 On 11 July 2011 21:55, Chuck Anderson <cra(a)wpi.edu> wrote: > Thanks for volunteering Liz! Would people like to have this on our > regularly scheduled 2nd Wednesday of August 10, perhaps starting at > 6pm? If not, July 27th also works for me. > > On Wed, Jul 06, 2011 at 07:17:59PM -0400, E Johnson wrote: > > We might be able to host this year. I am near WPI near Elm Park. > > > > We have one propane grill here now. Have backyard, would need chairs & > > prob. table or 2 (bring yours) > > > > Note > I am a Tenant not Owner. owner would not mind low-key geekly > > club. Clloers for drinks & ice & grill meats would be needed. > > > > I can turn on the wireless and/or throw down a long ethernet cable > > with/without 2nd wireless router, for use during the event. > > > > Facilities (including B-room) in my place are small but certainly > > usable. These are on 3rd Floor, but obviously yard is on ground level. > > > > We have been rather bug-free so far this season. > > > > Shoot for late July / early Aug if this sounds good, & commit for > > supplies/details if you want to use this venue. I will make a nice > > tomato salad and some other compliments to carnivoer fare. If all > > else fails, TechPizza is onlt a phone call away. > > > > Liz J > > More anchovies please > > > > > > > > On 6 July 2011 14:21, Chuck Anderson <cra(a)wpi.edu> wrote: > > > Who wants to have a WLUG BBQ? Traditionally, we have one in July or > > > August. > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Wlug mailing list > > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

July 12, 2011

Re: [Wlug] WLUG BBQ

by Chuck Anderson

Thanks for volunteering Liz! Would people like to have this on our regularly scheduled 2nd Wednesday of August 10, perhaps starting at 6pm? If not, July 27th also works for me. On Wed, Jul 06, 2011 at 07:17:59PM -0400, E Johnson wrote: > We might be able to host this year. I am near WPI near Elm Park. > > We have one propane grill here now. Have backyard, would need chairs & > prob. table or 2 (bring yours) > > Note > I am a Tenant not Owner. owner would not mind low-key geekly > club. Clloers for drinks & ice & grill meats would be needed. > > I can turn on the wireless and/or throw down a long ethernet cable > with/without 2nd wireless router, for use during the event. > > Facilities (including B-room) in my place are small but certainly > usable. These are on 3rd Floor, but obviously yard is on ground level. > > We have been rather bug-free so far this season. > > Shoot for late July / early Aug if this sounds good, & commit for > supplies/details if you want to use this venue. I will make a nice > tomato salad and some other compliments to carnivoer fare. If all > else fails, TechPizza is onlt a phone call away. > > Liz J > More anchovies please > > > > On 6 July 2011 14:21, Chuck Anderson <cra(a)wpi.edu> wrote: > > Who wants to have a WLUG BBQ? Traditionally, we have one in July or > > August. > > _______________________________________________ > > Wlug mailing list > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > >

July 12, 2011

Re: [Wlug] WLUG BBQ

by Tim Keller

Depending on the date, you can count me in as well! You can count me in for bratwurst, buns, some chips, etc. On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 7:17 PM, E Johnson <iris.gates(a)gmail.com> wrote: > We might be able to host this year. I am near WPI near Elm Park. > > We have one propane grill here now. Have backyard, would need chairs & > prob. table or 2 (bring yours) > > Note > I am a Tenant not Owner. owner would not mind low-key geekly > club. Clloers for drinks & ice & grill meats would be needed. > > I can turn on the wireless and/or throw down a long ethernet cable > with/without 2nd wireless router, for use during the event. > > Facilities (including B-room) in my place are small but certainly > usable. These are on 3rd Floor, but obviously yard is on ground level. > > We have been rather bug-free so far this season. > > Shoot for late July / early Aug if this sounds good, & commit for > supplies/details if you want to use this venue. I will make a nice > tomato salad and some other compliments to carnivoer fare. If all > else fails, TechPizza is onlt a phone call away. > > Liz J > More anchovies please > > > > On 6 July 2011 14:21, Chuck Anderson <cra(a)wpi.edu> wrote: > > Who wants to have a WLUG BBQ? Traditionally, we have one in July or > > August. > > _______________________________________________ > > Wlug mailing list > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

July 7, 2011

Re: [Wlug] WLUG BBQ

by E Johnson

We might be able to host this year. I am near WPI near Elm Park. We have one propane grill here now. Have backyard, would need chairs & prob. table or 2 (bring yours) Note > I am a Tenant not Owner. owner would not mind low-key geekly club. Clloers for drinks & ice & grill meats would be needed. I can turn on the wireless and/or throw down a long ethernet cable with/without 2nd wireless router, for use during the event. Facilities (including B-room) in my place are small but certainly usable. These are on 3rd Floor, but obviously yard is on ground level. We have been rather bug-free so far this season. Shoot for late July / early Aug if this sounds good, & commit for supplies/details if you want to use this venue. I will make a nice tomato salad and some other compliments to carnivoer fare. If all else fails, TechPizza is onlt a phone call away. Liz J More anchovies please On 6 July 2011 14:21, Chuck Anderson <cra(a)wpi.edu> wrote: > Who wants to have a WLUG BBQ? Traditionally, we have one in July or > August. > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

July 6, 2011

Re: [Wlug] WLUG BBQ

by David Glaser

I'm interested. On 7/6/2011 2:21 PM, Chuck Anderson wrote: > Who wants to have a WLUG BBQ? Traditionally, we have one in July or > August. > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

July 6, 2011

Re: [Wlug] WLUG BBQ

by Jason Couture

I'm game. I may even be able to bring some food. On Jul 6, 2011 2:22 PM, "Chuck Anderson" <cra(a)wpi.edu> wrote: > Who wants to have a WLUG BBQ? Traditionally, we have one in July or > August. > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

July 6, 2011

WLUG BBQ

by Chuck Anderson

Who wants to have a WLUG BBQ? Traditionally, we have one in July or August.

July 6, 2011

Invitación a conectarnos en LinkedIn

by Nicolas Ardison

LinkedIn ------------ Worcester, Me gustaría añadirte a mi red profesional en LinkedIn. -Nicolas Nicolas Ardison Tecnico en Caipe Automatización Argentina Confirma que conoces a Nicolas Ardison https://www.linkedin.com/e/-guplyd-gpsjdxoe-14/isd/3451526616/0mFq9NjV/ -- (c) 2011, LinkedIn Corporation

July 6, 2011

Looking for a partner for a project

by Aljerin Butler,Jr.

Hi Jason, I would be interested in giving you a hand. I have experience with HTML, some with CSS. Haven't tried my hand at Javascript yet but have checked out a few tutorials and online learning. Have some past experience with SQL/MySQL along with Perl/CGI/DBI. It would be a great opportunity for me, as I'm seeking a transition over to web development. Here are some of the best samples of my handiwork:http://customlinux.tripod.com/ http://customlinux.tripod.com/sitebuildercontent/career_center/source/sourc… Al Butler

July 5, 2011

Re: [Wlug] MP3 playback in Fedora

by Chuck Anderson

Flash on Fedora: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Flash Not as helpful, but MP3: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Multimedia/MP3 Third Party Repositories: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Third_party_repositories rpmfusion.org and livna are "safe" to mix/enable with Fedora, as they are designed to co-exist. I use repos.fedorapeople.org for Chromium (the open source version of Google Chrome), but in general these repos are less vetted. Any Fedora developer can create a personal repo there. On Sat, Jul 02, 2011 at 08:40:40PM -0400, Eric Martin wrote: > gstreamer-ugly and gstreamer-bad took care of videos, gstreamer-ffmpeg was > the final requirement for mp3s (I had libmad and ffmpeg, but I needed the > gstreamer plugin. As for flash, I'm running 64bit so it's not as simple as > downloading the file. I know how to put the plugin in the correct directory > and make sure via about:plugins, but the nswrapper program isn't wrapping it > correctly. Oh well, I have homework to do so I shouldn't be messing with > this, although audio is nice to have. > > On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 10:34 PM, Gregory Avedissian <avedis.dc(a)gmail.com>wrote: > > > It's been a long time since I've used Fedora, so I don't know the official > > way to do stuff, but for flash, you should be able to just download the > > linux flash plugin from Adobe, unpack the tarball and copy > > libflashplayer.so to your firefox/plugins directory for a system install, > > or to your user's .mozilla/plugins directory for a single user. (Create > > the plugins directory if it doesn't exist.) > > > > Doing it this way might cause you to miss any automatic updates to flash, > > but you can just check periodically for newer versions from Adobe. > > > > For mp3, I think I used to add libmad, but for the past couple of years > > (and in Debian) I just add ffmpeg, and everything works. > > > > Greg > > > > > > On 07/01/2011 12:04 PM, Eric Martin wrote: > > > I added fusion but i didn't know what packages to add. The sites that I > > > looked at didn't specify for some reason. Thanks. > > > > > > Eric Martin > > > > > > On Jul 1, 2011 12:02 PM, "Justin St. Marie" <stmariejw(a)gmail.com > > > <mailto:stmariejw@gmail.com>> wrote: > > >> On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 11:48 AM, Eric Martin > > >> <eric.joshua.martin(a)gmail.com <mailto:eric.joshua.martin@gmail.com > > >>wrote: > > >> > > >>> I'm thinking about switch over to CentOS from Gentoo at work for a few > > >>> reasons, two of which are the compile time and the ability to check > > > packages > > >>> against GPG signatures. That being the case, I decided to convert my > > >>> desktop to Fedora so I can get my chops up on yum and the RedHat style > > >>> distros. it's going ok and I'm getting pretty good at figuring out > > > where to > > >>> find things, and I'm even looking at writing an RPM or two where I need > > >>> stuff. However, I can't seem to get MP3, Mpeg1 or Mpeg2 playback > > working, > > >>> and I can't get adobe-flash to install via the nspluginwrapper. I've > > >>> googled, installed a bunch of packages that people suggested and even > > >>> checked what packages I have on my Gentoo system and installed some > > > of those > > >>> but I'm stuck. > > >>> > > >>> I have Adobe-Flash installed as well as nspluginwrapper, but the > > > commands I > > >>> find online aren't wrapping the plugin. I installed libmpeg2 and > > libmpeg3 > > >>> but I still can't play movies or mp3s. Any suggestions?

July 3, 2011

Re: [Wlug] MP3 playback in Fedora

by Eric Martin

gstreamer-ugly and gstreamer-bad took care of videos, gstreamer-ffmpeg was the final requirement for mp3s (I had libmad and ffmpeg, but I needed the gstreamer plugin. As for flash, I'm running 64bit so it's not as simple as downloading the file. I know how to put the plugin in the correct directory and make sure via about:plugins, but the nswrapper program isn't wrapping it correctly. Oh well, I have homework to do so I shouldn't be messing with this, although audio is nice to have. On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 10:34 PM, Gregory Avedissian <avedis.dc(a)gmail.com>wrote: > It's been a long time since I've used Fedora, so I don't know the official > way to do stuff, but for flash, you should be able to just download the > linux flash plugin from Adobe, unpack the tarball and copy > libflashplayer.so to your firefox/plugins directory for a system install, > or to your user's .mozilla/plugins directory for a single user. (Create > the plugins directory if it doesn't exist.) > > Doing it this way might cause you to miss any automatic updates to flash, > but you can just check periodically for newer versions from Adobe. > > For mp3, I think I used to add libmad, but for the past couple of years > (and in Debian) I just add ffmpeg, and everything works. > > Greg > > > On 07/01/2011 12:04 PM, Eric Martin wrote: > > I added fusion but i didn't know what packages to add. The sites that I > > looked at didn't specify for some reason. Thanks. > > > > Eric Martin > > > > On Jul 1, 2011 12:02 PM, "Justin St. Marie" <stmariejw(a)gmail.com > > <mailto:stmariejw@gmail.com>> wrote: > >> On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 11:48 AM, Eric Martin > >> <eric.joshua.martin(a)gmail.com <mailto:eric.joshua.martin@gmail.com > >>wrote: > >> > >>> I'm thinking about switch over to CentOS from Gentoo at work for a few > >>> reasons, two of which are the compile time and the ability to check > > packages > >>> against GPG signatures. That being the case, I decided to convert my > >>> desktop to Fedora so I can get my chops up on yum and the RedHat style > >>> distros. it's going ok and I'm getting pretty good at figuring out > > where to > >>> find things, and I'm even looking at writing an RPM or two where I need > >>> stuff. However, I can't seem to get MP3, Mpeg1 or Mpeg2 playback > working, > >>> and I can't get adobe-flash to install via the nspluginwrapper. I've > >>> googled, installed a bunch of packages that people suggested and even > >>> checked what packages I have on my Gentoo system and installed some > > of those > >>> but I'm stuck. > >>> > >>> I have Adobe-Flash installed as well as nspluginwrapper, but the > > commands I > >>> find online aren't wrapping the plugin. I installed libmpeg2 and > libmpeg3 > >>> but I still can't play movies or mp3s. Any suggestions? > >>> > >>> thanks, > >>> -- > >>> Eric Martin > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Wlug mailing list > >>> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org <mailto:Wlug@mail.wlug.org> > >>> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > >>> > >>> > >> You will need to add the RPM Fusion repositories. It has a ton of > packages > >> that can't get into the Fedora repos due to licensing/proprietary/etc... > >> > >> Here's the link: http://rpmfusion.org/Configuration > >> > >> After you add the repo, I believe the package names are > >> gstreamer-plugins-ugly and gstreamer-plugins-bad. yum search mp3 should > >> also bring these up. > >> > >> Also feel free to pop into #fedora on freenode. > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wlug mailing list > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > -- Eric Martin

July 3, 2011

Looking for a partner for a project

by Jason Couture

Would anyone at all be interested in helping build a new website? I can't share too many details, as it will be commercial, but i need someone who has experience with HTML/CSS/Javascript/PHP/AJAX/MySql and preferably experience setting up a version control system (server). Parts of this project will end up being open source (the chat server for the web site already is). If anyone knows any of this, or even if they feel they can lend a hand with part of it, It would be much appreciated. More details will be given in direct emails, provided a good faith non-disclosure agreement is acceptable. No signing anything, just an email stating you agree not to disclose the details of this project, prior to its release. This project will benefit the open source community if it is successful. Thanks in advance, Jason Couture

July 2, 2011

Re: [Wlug] MP3 playback in Fedora

by Gregory Avedissian

It's been a long time since I've used Fedora, so I don't know the official way to do stuff, but for flash, you should be able to just download the linux flash plugin from Adobe, unpack the tarball and copy libflashplayer.so to your firefox/plugins directory for a system install, or to your user's .mozilla/plugins directory for a single user. (Create the plugins directory if it doesn't exist.) Doing it this way might cause you to miss any automatic updates to flash, but you can just check periodically for newer versions from Adobe. For mp3, I think I used to add libmad, but for the past couple of years (and in Debian) I just add ffmpeg, and everything works. Greg On 07/01/2011 12:04 PM, Eric Martin wrote: > I added fusion but i didn't know what packages to add. The sites that I > looked at didn't specify for some reason. Thanks. > > Eric Martin > > On Jul 1, 2011 12:02 PM, "Justin St. Marie" <stmariejw(a)gmail.com > <mailto:stmariejw@gmail.com>> wrote: >> On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 11:48 AM, Eric Martin >> <eric.joshua.martin(a)gmail.com <mailto:eric.joshua.martin@gmail.com>>wrote: >> >>> I'm thinking about switch over to CentOS from Gentoo at work for a few >>> reasons, two of which are the compile time and the ability to check > packages >>> against GPG signatures. That being the case, I decided to convert my >>> desktop to Fedora so I can get my chops up on yum and the RedHat style >>> distros. it's going ok and I'm getting pretty good at figuring out > where to >>> find things, and I'm even looking at writing an RPM or two where I need >>> stuff. However, I can't seem to get MP3, Mpeg1 or Mpeg2 playback working, >>> and I can't get adobe-flash to install via the nspluginwrapper. I've >>> googled, installed a bunch of packages that people suggested and even >>> checked what packages I have on my Gentoo system and installed some > of those >>> but I'm stuck. >>> >>> I have Adobe-Flash installed as well as nspluginwrapper, but the > commands I >>> find online aren't wrapping the plugin. I installed libmpeg2 and libmpeg3 >>> but I still can't play movies or mp3s. Any suggestions? >>> >>> thanks, >>> -- >>> Eric Martin >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wlug mailing list >>> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org <mailto:Wlug@mail.wlug.org> >>> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >>> >>> >> You will need to add the RPM Fusion repositories. It has a ton of packages >> that can't get into the Fedora repos due to licensing/proprietary/etc... >> >> Here's the link: http://rpmfusion.org/Configuration >> >> After you add the repo, I believe the package names are >> gstreamer-plugins-ugly and gstreamer-plugins-bad. yum search mp3 should >> also bring these up. >> >> Also feel free to pop into #fedora on freenode. > > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

July 2, 2011

Re: [Wlug] Lights going dim, concerned about compouters & assoc. equip.

by E Johnson

Great suggestion Jerry! Never knew they could do that! Thanks very much. Will call the elex co after the 4th. Liz J iris.gates(a)gmail.com no clue why you don't see it but Thank you. On 1 July 2011 22:15, jerry baillie <jebaill52(a)gmail.com> wrote: > If you call and explain the dimming to electric company they will come out > and put a monitoring device on your meter. They leave it for ~ 1 week. They > did this for my house and found a bad connection out in the street. My > neighbor was pissed cause they tore up his driveway to fix it. Sorry this is > going out to all but for some reason I don't see Liz's email address.. > > On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 9:47 PM, E Johnson <iris.gates(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> Hi all, >> >> I think we have a bad refrigerator here, possibly problems also compounded >> by an inadequate elex cicsuit. Elex is owned & paid by landlord, who thinks >> this is "no big deal" & "happens all the time No problem." >> >> Maintence is not this building owner's favorite occupation. Person is on a >> tight budget just like most of the rest of the world. >> >> Proibem: >> Lights go dim whenever dying refrigerator comes on. This unit rins apprix >> 40 minutes per every hour, even on cool days with minimum opening/closing. >> >> I am concerned about longevity and function of my computers. power >> supplies, modem and router (I own these & they are nice). One printer >> already fried when Handyman shorted hot and cold elex together in the >> process of replacing one light swich in kitchen. Hope never to see him >> again, he's not a bright bulb. >> >> Is there some way to monitor the currrent on the elex line for several >> days and record what's going on? If so, does someone have a monitoring >> device that could be loaned and set up to do this? >> >> I am in Woircester near Elm Park, & am a very good cook. Have decent >> chairs & workspace with fast internet... could provide free beer & P1zzA or >> lunch if needed during setup period. >> >> Thanks mightily, >> Liz J >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wlug mailing list >> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > >

July 2, 2011

Re: [Wlug] Lights going dim, concerned about compouters & assoc. equip.

by jerry baillie

If you call and explain the dimming to electric company they will come out and put a monitoring device on your meter. They leave it for ~ 1 week. They did this for my house and found a bad connection out in the street. My neighbor was pissed cause they tore up his driveway to fix it. Sorry this is going out to all but for some reason I don't see Liz's email address.. On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 9:47 PM, E Johnson <iris.gates(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Hi all, > > I think we have a bad refrigerator here, possibly problems also compounded > by an inadequate elex cicsuit. Elex is owned & paid by landlord, who thinks > this is "no big deal" & "happens all the time No problem." > > Maintence is not this building owner's favorite occupation. Person is on a > tight budget just like most of the rest of the world. > > Proibem: > Lights go dim whenever dying refrigerator comes on. This unit rins apprix > 40 minutes per every hour, even on cool days with minimum opening/closing. > > I am concerned about longevity and function of my computers. power > supplies, modem and router (I own these & they are nice). One printer > already fried when Handyman shorted hot and cold elex together in the > process of replacing one light swich in kitchen. Hope never to see him > again, he's not a bright bulb. > > Is there some way to monitor the currrent on the elex line for several days > and record what's going on? If so, does someone have a monitoring device > that could be loaned and set up to do this? > > I am in Woircester near Elm Park, & am a very good cook. Have decent chairs > & workspace with fast internet... could provide free beer & P1zzA or lunch > if needed during setup period. > > Thanks mightily, > Liz J > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > >

July 2, 2011

Re: [Wlug] Lights going dim, concerned about compouters & assoc. equip.

by E Johnson

I knew the UPS thing would come up. That's on our Santa list. Maybe sooner. If my power supplies are not new (couple of years old), do I need the Square wave UPCs, or the Sine wave type? Recommendations for specific UPS with the appropriate software (link to newegg?) would be greatly appreciated. Thanks! Liz J On 1 July 2011 22:05, Eric Martin <eric.joshua.martin(a)gmail.com> wrote: > A smart UPS with monitoring software will do exactly what you're looking > for. Small ones can run $100 new, big rack ones run >$1000 new (I'm updating > my server room so i have those numbers in the forefront of my mind. ) > > Eric Martin > On Jul 1, 2011 9:48 PM, "E Johnson" <iris.gates(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > Hi all, > > > > I think we have a bad refrigerator here, possibly problems also > compounded > > by an inadequate elex cicsuit. Elex is owned & paid by landlord, who > thinks > > this is "no big deal" & "happens all the time No problem." > > > > Maintence is not this building owner's favorite occupation. Person is on > a > > tight budget just like most of the rest of the world. > > > > Proibem: > > Lights go dim whenever dying refrigerator comes on. This unit rins apprix > 40 > > minutes per every hour, even on cool days with minimum opening/closing. > > > > I am concerned about longevity and function of my computers. power > supplies, > > modem and router (I own these & they are nice). One printer already fried > > when Handyman shorted hot and cold elex together in the process of > replacing > > one light swich in kitchen. Hope never to see him again, he's not a > bright > > bulb. > > > > Is there some way to monitor the currrent on the elex line for several > days > > and record what's going on? If so, does someone have a monitoring device > > that could be loaned and set up to do this? > > > > I am in Woircester near Elm Park, & am a very good cook. Have decent > chairs > > & workspace with fast internet... could provide free beer & P1zzA or > lunch > > if needed during setup period. > > > > Thanks mightily, > > Liz J > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > >

July 2, 2011

Re: [Wlug] Lights going dim, concerned about compouters & assoc. equip.

by Eric Martin

A smart UPS with monitoring software will do exactly what you're looking for. Small ones can run $100 new, big rack ones run >$1000 new (I'm updating my server room so i have those numbers in the forefront of my mind. ) Eric Martin On Jul 1, 2011 9:48 PM, "E Johnson" <iris.gates(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Hi all, > > I think we have a bad refrigerator here, possibly problems also compounded > by an inadequate elex cicsuit. Elex is owned & paid by landlord, who thinks > this is "no big deal" & "happens all the time No problem." > > Maintence is not this building owner's favorite occupation. Person is on a > tight budget just like most of the rest of the world. > > Proibem: > Lights go dim whenever dying refrigerator comes on. This unit rins apprix 40 > minutes per every hour, even on cool days with minimum opening/closing. > > I am concerned about longevity and function of my computers. power supplies, > modem and router (I own these & they are nice). One printer already fried > when Handyman shorted hot and cold elex together in the process of replacing > one light swich in kitchen. Hope never to see him again, he's not a bright > bulb. > > Is there some way to monitor the currrent on the elex line for several days > and record what's going on? If so, does someone have a monitoring device > that could be loaned and set up to do this? > > I am in Woircester near Elm Park, & am a very good cook. Have decent chairs > & workspace with fast internet... could provide free beer & P1zzA or lunch > if needed during setup period. > > Thanks mightily, > Liz J

July 2, 2011

Lights going dim, concerned about compouters & assoc. equip.

by E Johnson

Hi all, I think we have a bad refrigerator here, possibly problems also compounded by an inadequate elex cicsuit. Elex is owned & paid by landlord, who thinks this is "no big deal" & "happens all the time No problem." Maintence is not this building owner's favorite occupation. Person is on a tight budget just like most of the rest of the world. Proibem: Lights go dim whenever dying refrigerator comes on. This unit rins apprix 40 minutes per every hour, even on cool days with minimum opening/closing. I am concerned about longevity and function of my computers. power supplies, modem and router (I own these & they are nice). One printer already fried when Handyman shorted hot and cold elex together in the process of replacing one light swich in kitchen. Hope never to see him again, he's not a bright bulb. Is there some way to monitor the currrent on the elex line for several days and record what's going on? If so, does someone have a monitoring device that could be loaned and set up to do this? I am in Woircester near Elm Park, & am a very good cook. Have decent chairs & workspace with fast internet... could provide free beer & P1zzA or lunch if needed during setup period. Thanks mightily, Liz J

July 2, 2011

Re: [Wlug] MP3 playback in Fedora

by Eric Martin

I added fusion but i didn't know what packages to add. The sites that I looked at didn't specify for some reason. Thanks. Eric Martin On Jul 1, 2011 12:02 PM, "Justin St. Marie" <stmariejw(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 11:48 AM, Eric Martin > <eric.joshua.martin(a)gmail.com>wrote: > >> I'm thinking about switch over to CentOS from Gentoo at work for a few >> reasons, two of which are the compile time and the ability to check packages >> against GPG signatures. That being the case, I decided to convert my >> desktop to Fedora so I can get my chops up on yum and the RedHat style >> distros. it's going ok and I'm getting pretty good at figuring out where to >> find things, and I'm even looking at writing an RPM or two where I need >> stuff. However, I can't seem to get MP3, Mpeg1 or Mpeg2 playback working, >> and I can't get adobe-flash to install via the nspluginwrapper. I've >> googled, installed a bunch of packages that people suggested and even >> checked what packages I have on my Gentoo system and installed some of those >> but I'm stuck. >> >> I have Adobe-Flash installed as well as nspluginwrapper, but the commands I >> find online aren't wrapping the plugin. I installed libmpeg2 and libmpeg3 >> but I still can't play movies or mp3s. Any suggestions? >> >> thanks, >> -- >> Eric Martin >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wlug mailing list >> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >> >> > You will need to add the RPM Fusion repositories. It has a ton of packages > that can't get into the Fedora repos due to licensing/proprietary/etc... > > Here's the link: http://rpmfusion.org/Configuration > > After you add the repo, I believe the package names are > gstreamer-plugins-ugly and gstreamer-plugins-bad. yum search mp3 should > also bring these up. > > Also feel free to pop into #fedora on freenode.

July 1, 2011

Re: [Wlug] MP3 playback in Fedora

by Justin St. Marie

On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 11:48 AM, Eric Martin <eric.joshua.martin(a)gmail.com>wrote: > I'm thinking about switch over to CentOS from Gentoo at work for a few > reasons, two of which are the compile time and the ability to check packages > against GPG signatures. That being the case, I decided to convert my > desktop to Fedora so I can get my chops up on yum and the RedHat style > distros. it's going ok and I'm getting pretty good at figuring out where to > find things, and I'm even looking at writing an RPM or two where I need > stuff. However, I can't seem to get MP3, Mpeg1 or Mpeg2 playback working, > and I can't get adobe-flash to install via the nspluginwrapper. I've > googled, installed a bunch of packages that people suggested and even > checked what packages I have on my Gentoo system and installed some of those > but I'm stuck. > > I have Adobe-Flash installed as well as nspluginwrapper, but the commands I > find online aren't wrapping the plugin. I installed libmpeg2 and libmpeg3 > but I still can't play movies or mp3s. Any suggestions? > > thanks, > -- > Eric Martin > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > You will need to add the RPM Fusion repositories. It has a ton of packages that can't get into the Fedora repos due to licensing/proprietary/etc... Here's the link: http://rpmfusion.org/Configuration After you add the repo, I believe the package names are gstreamer-plugins-ugly and gstreamer-plugins-bad. yum search mp3 should also bring these up. Also feel free to pop into #fedora on freenode.

July 1, 2011

MP3 playback in Fedora

by Eric Martin

I'm thinking about switch over to CentOS from Gentoo at work for a few reasons, two of which are the compile time and the ability to check packages against GPG signatures. That being the case, I decided to convert my desktop to Fedora so I can get my chops up on yum and the RedHat style distros. it's going ok and I'm getting pretty good at figuring out where to find things, and I'm even looking at writing an RPM or two where I need stuff. However, I can't seem to get MP3, Mpeg1 or Mpeg2 playback working, and I can't get adobe-flash to install via the nspluginwrapper. I've googled, installed a bunch of packages that people suggested and even checked what packages I have on my Gentoo system and installed some of those but I'm stuck. I have Adobe-Flash installed as well as nspluginwrapper, but the commands I find online aren't wrapping the plugin. I installed libmpeg2 and libmpeg3 but I still can't play movies or mp3s. Any suggestions? thanks, -- Eric Martin

July 1, 2011

Re: [Wlug] RHEL cluster question...

by John Stoffel

David> Ran into a little situation today where we need to cycle David> power/reboot a bunch of nodes that are down and out, by telnet David> to the relevant terminal server ports and the advanced David> management module. This involves multiple consoles, windows, David> command line, GUI, the works, as follows: David> Subject: RHEL cluster, 4.0 through 5.3. David> Issue: How to find IP addresses of terminal server ports which David> service individual nodes which are down and out. (need to David> telnet to them for troubleshooting/maintenance/rebooting) I use 'conserver' (http://www.conserver.org) to manage a bunch of serial console ports. Works great to map the hostname to it's console. It supports telnet/ipmi access too, but I haven't used that feature yet. So I just do 'console <hostname>' and I get connected to the terminal server which holds the serial port without me having to remember anything. David> And: IP address and/or hostname of advanced management module David> which runs on the clusters . Some clusters have a "magic David> decoder ring" file that gives this information; most don't. Why don't you stuff this info into DNS? <hostname>-ilom/ilo/rlm/mgt is how we do things here, so I don't have to remember IPs, I just goto the right hostname. David> Any thoughts? Workaround so far has been via eyeballing racks David> of blades and doing various arithmetic problems in our heads. Yuck. Be lazy. Write it out once on install and stuff the info in DNS. Even if it's just an internal sub-domain which does the management interfaces. host.mgt.work.com would be one way. More details on how you do things now would be helpful too. John

June 14, 2011

RHEL cluster question...

by David Hardy

Greetings, fellow Linux lovers; Ran into a little situation today where we need to cycle power/reboot a bunch of nodes that are down and out, by telnet to the relevant terminal server ports and the advanced management module. This involves multiple consoles, windows, command line, GUI, the works, as follows: Subject: RHEL cluster, 4.0 through 5.3. Issue: How to find IP addresses of terminal server ports which service individual nodes which are down and out. (need to telnet to them for troubleshooting/maintenance/rebooting) And: IP address and/or hostname of advanced management module which runs on the clusters . Some clusters have a "magic decoder ring" file that gives this information; most don't. Any thoughts? Workaround so far has been via eyeballing racks of blades and doing various arithmetic problems in our heads.

June 13, 2011

Announce: WLUG Meeting tonight 7pm

by Chuck Anderson

Hi folks, At tonight's meeting we'll have a discussion of current events in the Linux/OSS world, Questions and Answers, etc. followed by our traditional outing @ Tech Pizza. The meeting room is in WPI's Morgan Hall (building 'H' on the campus map [1]), down the hallway to the right of the dining hall entrance. [1] http://www.wpi.edu/Images/CMS/WPI/walkingmap.pdf See you all there, Chuck President, Worcester Linux Users' Group

June 8, 2011

Re: [Wlug] Looking for DDR 333 (PC2700) 512mb or 1gb mem

by John Stoffel

David> I might have some in my big box o' memory, pretty sure I do David> actually. I can take a look later tonight when I get home from David> work, will let you know. How many DIMMs can you fit in the David> system/how many do you want? That would be awesome! I can fit a max of three, 1Gb DIMMs into this motherboard. It's really not worth spending money on the system, but it's just for the kids and they don't know better. :] David> Given all the content that is in HD these days, just might be a David> better choice to get a Premiere, unless you don't have HD David> capability on the device connected to the TV. You could always David> search a goodwill or salvation army for a series 2 to pillage a David> PS from. I'm still using my 32" JVC tube TV, around 13 years old and still going strong. No rush to replace it. I like the Goodwill/Salvation army idea too. Maybe there's one out there on craigslist as well... Anyone got a deadish Series 2 they want to give me? *grin* John

June 8, 2011

Re: [Wlug] Looking for DDR 333 (PC2700) 512mb or 1gb mem

by David Coutu

I might have some in my big box o' memory, pretty sure I do actually. I can take a look later tonight when I get home from work, will let you know. How many DIMMs can you fit in the system/how many do you want? Given all the content that is in HD these days, just might be a better choice to get a Premiere, unless you don't have HD capability on the device connected to the TV. You could always search a goodwill or salvation army for a series 2 to pillage a PS from. Thanks! Dave > Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2011 10:19:57 -0400 > From: john(a)stoffel.org > To: wlug(a)wlug.org > Subject: [Wlug] Looking for DDR 333 (PC2700) 512mb or 1gb mem > > > Guys, > > I've got an old home system for the kids. Works fine, but I've only > got 768Mb of RAM in it. Anyone got any 512Mb or 1Gb DIMMS they want > to sell? DDR, PC2700 is what I need. > > It's around $30/ea for 1Gb Dimms on newegg, which just isn't > justified. It's almost more cost effective to get a new > motherboard/cpu/RAM for this system instead. > > Thanks! > John > > P.S. My Tivo, Series 2 has died finally, after 8+ years. I can't get > my original 40Gb disk and mfstools 2.0 backup image to boot. > Sigh... could be a power supply issue, but again, is it worth the > money to fix or should I just get a premiere instead? > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

June 7, 2011

Looking for DDR 333 (PC2700) 512mb or 1gb mem

by John Stoffel

Guys, I've got an old home system for the kids. Works fine, but I've only got 768Mb of RAM in it. Anyone got any 512Mb or 1Gb DIMMS they want to sell? DDR, PC2700 is what I need. It's around $30/ea for 1Gb Dimms on newegg, which just isn't justified. It's almost more cost effective to get a new motherboard/cpu/RAM for this system instead. Thanks! John P.S. My Tivo, Series 2 has died finally, after 8+ years. I can't get my original 40Gb disk and mfstools 2.0 backup image to boot. Sigh... could be a power supply issue, but again, is it worth the money to fix or should I just get a premiere instead? --

June 7, 2011

Linux Ham Radio CD available for download

by Andy Stewart

Hi Everybody, I have created a remastered Linux CD of Ubuntu 10.10 which contains a selection of Amateur Radio software. Several of you were kind enough to beta test this CD and offer feedback, for which I thank you. This CD has been released and is now available for download from SourceForge: http://kb1oiq-andysham.sourceforge.net/ The software selection is optimized for older x86 32-bit computers that have at least a 1GHz processor and 256MB of memory, but naturally, if you have more than that, the software will work just fine. It uses the icewm window manager, and contains a web browser, graphical file manager, text editor, and other related tools. A short(!) list of the available Amateur Radio related software: aa-analyzer.pl - used with RigExpert AA-xxx antenna analyzers cqrlog - a full featured QSO logging program fldigi - digital modes such as PSK31 flmsg - companion to fldigi, a simple forms management editor for standard message formats flrig - rig control flwkey - modem program for the K1EL Winkeyer series flwrap - companion to fldigi, file encapsulation / compression Fl Moxgen - Moxon Rectangle antenna design program gpredict - satellite tracking grig - rig control software hamlib - radio control library ibp - HF beacons pskmail - send email via PSK31 qrq - CW callsig practice qsstv - SSTV sunclock - track day/night line on Earth svxlink - Echolink client (qtel) TQSL - used with ARRL Logbook of the World TQSL Cert - used with ARRL Logbook of the World wsjt - weak signal communication wspr - weak signal communication xastir - APRS mapping xcwcp - CW code practice xdx - DX cluster TCP/IP client xlog - simpler QSO logging program xnec2c - antenna modeling software xwxapt - display APT images from weather satellites FL_Moxgen and aa-analyzer.pl were written by yours truly and released under the terms of the GNU General Public License (version 3). Please feel free to pass this along to other interested parties. Thanks, and 73, Andy -- Andy Stewart (KB1OIQ) Founder: Worcester Linux Users' Group Founder: Chelmsford Linux Meetup Group President: PART of Westford, MA (WB1GOF)

May 13, 2011

Reminder: WLUG Meeting Tonight 7PM: Init Systems

by Chuck Anderson

This is a friendly reminder about our WLUG meeting tonight. Chuck On Wed, May 04, 2011 at 09:51:11AM -0400, Chuck Anderson wrote: > Hi folks, > > Our next WLUG meeting is Wednesday, May 11 at 7:00 PM at the WPI > campus in Worcester, MA USA. The meeting room is in WPI's Morgan Hall > (building 'H' on the campus map [1]), down the hallway to the right of > the dining hall entrance. > > [1] http://www.wpi.edu/Images/CMS/WPI/walkingmap.pdf > > This month, I'll be giving a talk on varios Init Systems for Linux, > including the traditional SysVinit and how it compares to Upstart, > OpenRC, and Systemd. I'll definately have a demo of at least Systemd. > > See you all there, > Chuck > President, Worcester Linux Users' Group

May 11, 2011

Announce: WLUG Meeting 5/11 7PM: Init Systems

by Chuck Anderson

Hi folks, Our next WLUG meeting is Wednesday, May 11 at 7:00 PM at the WPI campus in Worcester, MA USA. The meeting room is in WPI's Morgan Hall (building 'H' on the campus map [1]), down the hallway to the right of the dining hall entrance. [1] http://www.wpi.edu/Images/CMS/WPI/walkingmap.pdf This month, I'll be giving a talk on varios Init Systems for Linux, including the traditional SysVinit and how it compares to Upstart, OpenRC, and Systemd. I'll definately have a demo of at least Systemd. See you all there, Chuck President, Worcester Linux Users' Group

May 4, 2011

Re: [Wlug] In a bind

by Jason Couture

The SATA Model was sold, the IDE burner does have alot of hours, but it always worked like a charm. I have a stack of 3 optical drives, you can have your pick out of the lot. And i do have a 2nd SATA DVD Burner thats perhaps, a year old, used 2-3 times? I'd have to yank it out of my server. I'll send you an email tomorrow to let you know what i have left over. On Mon, Apr 25, 2011 at 12:16 PM, David P. Connell <davec99(a)charter.net>wrote: > I am interested in some of these items, but I am leaving for Providence > to work a second-shift job (filling-in for someone). If there is > anything left tomorrow, I should be able to arrange something. Please > take money in hand before waiting for me, of course. I was thinking of > one (maybe both?) 17" LCD, and both optical drives, as long as they > don't have hundreds of hours on them. davec99(a)charter.net > > -- > David P. Connell > "Watch where you're going; remember where you've been." > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

April 25, 2011

Re: [Wlug] In a bind

by Jason Couture

I have some more stuff to add to my list: 4 Port KVM Switch, with some cables (PS/2 + VGA) - $30 USB Hard Drive enclosure W/ HDD (160GB+, Cant remember, Haven't hooked it up yet) - $30 PCI Modem (Agere, unknown model) - $10 Multiple Power Supplies, Unknown conditions - $10 for all I can find, or $5 each (Currently have 2, i know i have more) Portable MP3 CD Player - $5 Polaroid 5 Megapixel Digital Camera - $20 Zune 80gb, Slightly Scratched with no cable - $30 2 Linksys Antennas (Went to a WRT Model i believe) - $10 I will also have a few HDD's listed, Once i go through them all and make sure they work. On Mon, Apr 25, 2011 at 11:11 AM, Jason Couture <plaguethenet(a)gmail.com>wrote: > I'm in bad need of money, I have the following things for sale: > > 17" LCD monitor - $30 (2 for sale) > 15" LCD monitor w/ integrated speakers - $25 > 15" crt monitor - $15 > SATA DVD burner - $20 > IDE Cd-rw - $10 > > If anyone is interested in any of these, please send me an email or call me > at 774-208-7385. I may have more stuff, if I find more I'll post it here. >

April 25, 2011

Re: [Wlug] In a bind

by David P. Connell

I am interested in some of these items, but I am leaving for Providence to work a second-shift job (filling-in for someone). If there is anything left tomorrow, I should be able to arrange something. Please take money in hand before waiting for me, of course. I was thinking of one (maybe both?) 17" LCD, and both optical drives, as long as they don't have hundreds of hours on them. davec99(a)charter.net -- David P. Connell "Watch where you're going; remember where you've been."

April 25, 2011

In a bind

by Jason Couture

I'm in bad need of money, I have the following things for sale: 17" LCD monitor - $30 (2 for sale) 15" LCD monitor w/ integrated speakers - $25 15" crt monitor - $15 SATA DVD burner - $20 IDE Cd-rw - $10 If anyone is interested in any of these, please send me an email or call me at 774-208-7385. I may have more stuff, if I find more I'll post it here.

April 25, 2011

Reminder: WLUG Meeting Today 7PM: Scratch

by Chuck Anderson

----- Forwarded message from Chuck Anderson <cra(a)WPI.EDU> ----- From: Chuck Anderson <cra(a)WPI.EDU> To: wlug(a)wlug.org Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2011 00:34:58 -0400 Subject: [Wlug] Announce: WLUG Meeting 4/13 7PM: Scratch Precedence: list Reply-To: Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> Hi folks, Our next WLUG meeting is Wednesday, April 13 at 7:00 PM at the WPI campus in Worcester, MA USA. The meeting room is in WPI's Morgan Hall (building 'H' on the campus map [1]), down the hallway to the right of the dining hall entrance. [1] http://www.wpi.edu/Images/CMS/WPI/walkingmap.pdf I'm pleased to announce that we have a guest speaker this month, Andy Stewart's son Geoffrey: Geoffrey Stewart (age 13) will give a talk about his experiences using the Scratch software to create simple video games, characters, and animation. Geoffrey has been using this software as part of the video game design club which meets after school. The talk will include a live demo of the Scratch software. See you all there, Chuck President, Worcester Linux Users' Group ----- End forwarded message -----

April 13, 2011

Natick FOSS/Linux User Group

by Chuck Anderson

Dick and Jill Miller have started a new FOSS/Liux User Group in Natick. Here is the information about their meeting this afternoon 3-5pm (sorry for the late notice! They meet every 1st Wednesday 3pm-5pm.) You can find more information here including how to subscribe to their e-mail list: http://www.millermicro.com/FOSSUserGroupNatick.html Chuck ----- Forwarded message from Dick and Jill Miller <TheMillers(a)millermicro.com> ----- From: Dick and Jill Miller <TheMillers(a)millermicro.com> To: "(Distribution List Suppressed)" <TheMillers(a)millermicro.com> Date: Tue, 05 Apr 2011 00:15:37 -0400 Subject: [FOSS/Linux] User Group meets 3-5PM Wednesday, April 6th in Natick Hi! We e-mailed you on Friday, but now there's more news. 3-5PM Wednesday, at the FOSS User Group at the Natick Senior Center, we will report some highlights of this past Saturday's Northeast FOSS/Linux Fest in Worcester. Also, courtesy of that event, we have several free Linux magazines for each attendee. on Wednesday! Good Stuff for beginners and experts: advanced tricks with Fotoxx, a first look at GnuCash, and an under-the-hood look at Linux. All are invited; please tell your friends. This message indicates that you are on the FOSS/Linux e-mail list at MMS. If that's a mistake, please let us know. If it's A Good Thing, consider telling others to get aboard! Note: The Natick Senior Center maintains a separate e-mail list, and does not share it with this one. If that causes redundant mailings, please bear with us. Cheers from --Dick and Jill Miller, Partners, MMS <TheMillers(a)millermicro.com> Co-Leaders, FOSS User Group at Natick Senior Center E-MAIL LISTS (opt-in/out/etc.): http://millermicro.com/newURL.html -- A. Richard & Jill A. Miller | MILLER MICROCOMPUTER SERVICES | Mailto:TheMillers@millermicro.com | 61 Lake Shore Road | Web: http://www.millermicro.com/ | Natick, MA 01760-2099, USA | Voice: 508/653-6136, 9AM-9PM -0400(EDT)| NMEA 42.299951°N,-71.365562°E | ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

April 6, 2011

Announce: WLUG Meeting 4/13 7PM: Scratch

by Chuck Anderson

Hi folks, Our next WLUG meeting is Wednesday, April 13 at 7:00 PM at the WPI campus in Worcester, MA USA. The meeting room is in WPI's Morgan Hall (building 'H' on the campus map [1]), down the hallway to the right of the dining hall entrance. [1] http://www.wpi.edu/Images/CMS/WPI/walkingmap.pdf I'm pleased to announce that we have a guest speaker this month, Andy Stewart's son Geoffrey: Geoffrey Stewart (age 13) will give a talk about his experiences using the Scratch software to create simple video games, characters, and animation. Geoffrey has been using this software as part of the video game design club which meets after school. The talk will include a live demo of the Scratch software. See you all there, Chuck President, Worcester Linux Users' Group

April 2, 2011

Re: [Wlug] April Topic?

by Chuck Anderson

Great! Anyone who is willing to prepare a talk on these or any other topics please email me directly and we'll work out which month(s) to fit them in. Thanks, Chuck On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 07:45:39AM -0400, David Glaser wrote: > Hmmm, lots of stuff to talk about. I woudl attend talks on open RC, > init, and open source robotics. > > -David > > On 3/30/2011 12:13 PM, Kevin Harrington wrote: >> Another idea is open source robotics. I have a lot of experience with this at this point and would love to share. >> >> One more idea would be talking about making and using custom Java JNI. have a library that's awesome but hate writing applications in C? JNI is a way of exposing these libs to Java. As an example I wrapped a v4l2 frame grabber and was able to get framerates 2-4 TIMES faster then OpenCV's frame grabber. Getting started with JNI is full of "gotchas" that keeps most developers away, which I think is a shame. >> >> ~Kevin Harrington

April 1, 2011

Re: [Wlug] April Topic?

by Tim Keller

I saw something not to long ago about using scratch to implement logic for lego's NXT modules! On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 7:51 AM, Andy Stewart <andystewart(a)comcast.net>wrote: > On 03/31/2011 07:35 AM, Tim Keller wrote: > > Speaking of "cool" programming languages, at some point I'd love to give > > a presentation on "Scratch" > > > > I know, I know, it's not really a programming language... but it is a > > pretty good way to get kids interested in programming. > > > > Tim. > > My 13 year old son is using Scratch in school to write video game > programs. He is using it on Windoze in school and on Linux at home. He > has a thumb drive with a FATxx format so he can use his program in both > places. He really likes Scratch! > > Later, > > Andy > > -- > Andy Stewart (KB1OIQ) > Founder: Worcester Linux Users' Group > Founder: Chelmsford Linux Meetup Group > President: PART of Westford, MA (WB1GOF) > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

March 31, 2011

Re: [Wlug] April Topic?

by Andy Stewart

On 03/31/2011 07:35 AM, Tim Keller wrote: > Speaking of "cool" programming languages, at some point I'd love to give > a presentation on "Scratch" > > I know, I know, it's not really a programming language... but it is a > pretty good way to get kids interested in programming. > > Tim. My 13 year old son is using Scratch in school to write video game programs. He is using it on Windoze in school and on Linux at home. He has a thumb drive with a FATxx format so he can use his program in both places. He really likes Scratch! Later, Andy -- Andy Stewart (KB1OIQ) Founder: Worcester Linux Users' Group Founder: Chelmsford Linux Meetup Group President: PART of Westford, MA (WB1GOF)

March 31, 2011

Re: [Wlug] April Topic?

by David Glaser

Hmmm, lots of stuff to talk about. I woudl attend talks on open RC, init, and open source robotics. -David On 3/30/2011 12:13 PM, Kevin Harrington wrote: > Another idea is open source robotics. I have a lot of experience with this at this point and would love to share. > > One more idea would be talking about making and using custom Java JNI. have a library that's awesome but hate writing applications in C? JNI is a way of exposing these libs to Java. As an example I wrapped a v4l2 frame grabber and was able to get framerates 2-4 TIMES faster then OpenCV's frame grabber. Getting started with JNI is full of "gotchas" that keeps most developers away, which I think is a shame. > > ~Kevin Harrington > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

March 31, 2011

Re: [Wlug] April Topic?

by Tim Keller

Speaking of "cool" programming languages, at some point I'd love to give a presentation on "Scratch" I know, I know, it's not really a programming language... but it is a pretty good way to get kids interested in programming. Tim. On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 10:28 PM, Keith Wright <kwright(a)keithdiane.us>wrote: > > From: James Gray <jamespgray(a)gmail.com> > > > > +1 for Haskell. > > > > On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 12:46 PM, Jorden M <jrm8005(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > There's a lot to learn from Haskell, especially as > > > the world moves toward massively parallel > > > computing. ghci and http://tryhaskell.org/ would > > > make for a fun & interactive presentation of a very > > > well-designed programming language. > > Haskell is good, but a web site is not a presentation. > > Who is volunteering to make a presentation, or > at least lead a discussion? > > -- Keith > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

March 31, 2011

Re: [Wlug] April Topic?

by Keith Wright

> From: James Gray <jamespgray(a)gmail.com> > > +1 for Haskell. > > On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 12:46 PM, Jorden M <jrm8005(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > There's a lot to learn from Haskell, especially as > > the world moves toward massively parallel > > computing. ghci and http://tryhaskell.org/ would > > make for a fun & interactive presentation of a very > > well-designed programming language. Haskell is good, but a web site is not a presentation. Who is volunteering to make a presentation, or at least lead a discussion? -- Keith

March 31, 2011

Job posting: WPI is hiring a Network Engineer

by Chuck Anderson

If anyone is interested in applying for the open Network Engineer position at WPI, please email me at cra(a)wpi.edu Thanks, Chuck Position Title: Network Engineer Department: Computing and Communications Center Location: Morgan Hall - Network Operations Grade: Exempt - 820 Position Status: Administrative Exempt Positions Position Description: BASIC FUNCTION: Provide support to the satisfactory operation of the WPI network and facilitate its use by members of the WPI community. PRINCIPAL DUTIES AND RESPONSIBILITIES: - Maintain and support the data network system including switches, routers, wireless access points and battery backup systems - Maintain data wiring and fiber infrastructure. - Evaluate and beta test emergent technologies and code maintenance releases. - Coordinate with Helpdesk and other departments in the troubleshooting and resolution of data network error conditions and provide end-user support for communications and connectivity issues. - Document the data network including topology, connections, and appropriate billing information. - Support physical plant renovations as they relate to the voice, data, and video CATV infrastructure. - Administer and backup of all Network Operations servers. - Program and maintain network databases, documentation, inventory, and monitoring applications. - Provide 24/7connectivity for users of the data network including adds/moves/changes and wireless connectivity. - Supervise and support the student network assistants. - Other related duties as assigned. Requirements: - Bachelor's degree in Electrical Engineering or Computer Science in order to provide the necessary understanding of communication technology and computer architecture with 4-5 years professional experience in similar or related work. - Experience with network hardware, cabling, and network management software including experience in network troubleshooting. - A thorough knowledge of Ethernet, wireless Ethernet, and TCP/IP networking. - Experience with Juniper Networks equipment preferable. - Experience with computer programming and scripting languages. - Experience with Linux systems administration. - Ability to communicate clearly with all network users.

March 30, 2011

Re: [Wlug] April Topic?

by James Gray

+1 for Haskell. On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 12:46 PM, Jorden M <jrm8005(a)gmail.com> wrote: > I know I'm way over here in NY, but I have another suggestion if there > are any Haskellers in WLUG. > > There's a lot to learn from Haskell, especially as the world moves > toward massively parallel computing. ghci and http://tryhaskell.org/ > would make for a fun & interactive presentation of a very > well-designed programming language. > > On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 12:13 PM, Kevin Harrington > <mad.hephaestus(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > Another idea is open source robotics. I have a lot of experience with > this at this point and would love to share. > > > > One more idea would be talking about making and using custom Java JNI. > have a library that's awesome but hate writing applications in C? JNI is a > way of exposing these libs to Java. As an example I wrapped a v4l2 frame > grabber and was able to get framerates 2-4 TIMES faster then OpenCV's frame > grabber. Getting started with JNI is full of "gotchas" that keeps most > developers away, which I think is a shame. > > > > ~Kevin Harrington > > _______________________________________________ > > Wlug mailing list > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

March 30, 2011

Re: [Wlug] Topic for April?

by Jason Couture

I would like to, by I do not have intimate knowledge of it. I know its an improved version of gentoos baselayout 1 RC system. Its written in c instead of scriptss, can do some parallel startups, but nowhere near anything like systemd. And I can write simple init scripts for it. I, for one, would love to hear more about systemd. On Mar 30, 2011 8:38 AM, "Chuck Anderson" <cra(a)wpi.edu> wrote: > > I can talk about SysVInit, Upstart, and Systemd. Do you want to talk > about OpenRC? We could try to fit it into one meeting. > > On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 08:22:57AM -0400, Jason Couture wrote: > > How about a discussion of init systems in general, pros and cons of each? > > (I'm an OpenRC fanboy myself.) > > On Mar 30, 2011 12:07 AM, "Gregory Avedissian" <avedis.g(a)verizon.net> wrote: > > > Yes. > > > > > > > > > On 03/29/2011 10:57 PM, Chuck Anderson wrote: > > > > > >> Would people be interested in a talk on Systemd, the replacement for > > >> SysVinit and Upstart? > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/ma

March 30, 2011

Re: [Wlug] April Topic?

by Jorden M

I know I'm way over here in NY, but I have another suggestion if there are any Haskellers in WLUG. There's a lot to learn from Haskell, especially as the world moves toward massively parallel computing. ghci and http://tryhaskell.org/ would make for a fun & interactive presentation of a very well-designed programming language. On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 12:13 PM, Kevin Harrington <mad.hephaestus(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Another idea is open source robotics. I have a lot of experience with this at this point and would love to share. > > One more idea would be talking about making and using custom Java JNI. have a library that's awesome but hate writing applications in C? JNI is a way of exposing these libs to Java. As an example I wrapped a v4l2 frame grabber and was able to get framerates 2-4 TIMES faster then OpenCV's frame grabber. Getting started with JNI is full of "gotchas" that keeps most developers away, which I think is a shame. > > ~Kevin Harrington > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

March 30, 2011

Re: [Wlug] April Topic?

by Kevin Harrington

Another idea is open source robotics. I have a lot of experience with this at this point and would love to share. One more idea would be talking about making and using custom Java JNI. have a library that's awesome but hate writing applications in C? JNI is a way of exposing these libs to Java. As an example I wrapped a v4l2 frame grabber and was able to get framerates 2-4 TIMES faster then OpenCV's frame grabber. Getting started with JNI is full of "gotchas" that keeps most developers away, which I think is a shame. ~Kevin Harrington

March 30, 2011

Re: [Wlug] Topic for April?

by Chuck Anderson

I can talk about SysVInit, Upstart, and Systemd. Do you want to talk about OpenRC? We could try to fit it into one meeting. On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 08:22:57AM -0400, Jason Couture wrote: > How about a discussion of init systems in general, pros and cons of each? > (I'm an OpenRC fanboy myself.) > On Mar 30, 2011 12:07 AM, "Gregory Avedissian" <avedis.g(a)verizon.net> wrote: > > Yes. > > > > > > On 03/29/2011 10:57 PM, Chuck Anderson wrote: > > > >> Would people be interested in a talk on Systemd, the replacement for > >> SysVinit and Upstart?

March 30, 2011

Re: [Wlug] Topic for April?

by Jason Couture

How about a discussion of init systems in general, pros and cons of each? (I'm an OpenRC fanboy myself.) On Mar 30, 2011 12:07 AM, "Gregory Avedissian" <avedis.g(a)verizon.net> wrote: > Yes. > > > On 03/29/2011 10:57 PM, Chuck Anderson wrote: > >> Would people be interested in a talk on Systemd, the replacement for >> SysVinit and Upstart? >> _______________________________________________ > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

March 30, 2011

Re: [Wlug] Topic for April?

by Gregory Avedissian

Yes. On 03/29/2011 10:57 PM, Chuck Anderson wrote: > Would people be interested in a talk on Systemd, the replacement for > SysVinit and Upstart? > _______________________________________________

March 30, 2011

Re: [Wlug] Topic for April?

by Chuck Anderson

On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 03:10:01PM -0400, Tim Keller wrote: > Any ideas what people would like to do for a topic for April? > > We'd talked about doing a distribution bake off... Does that still have any > traction? Would people be interested in a talk on Systemd, the replacement for SysVinit and Upstart?

March 30, 2011

Topic for April?

by Tim Keller

Any ideas what people would like to do for a topic for April? We'd talked about doing a distribution bake off... Does that still have any traction? Thanks, Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

March 29, 2011

Re: [Wlug] WLUG meeting idea - Distro comparison

by James Gray

You could try the 'Linux Distribution Chooser' at http://www.zegeniestudios.net/ldc/ I imagine it is a bit out-of-date now, but I doubt that much has changed. I use Ubuntu on my desktop at home. Ubuntu is generally pretty up-to-date. It is a good beginner's Linux. However, it gives you full access to Debian's huge collection of software so it can keep advanced users happy too. Because Ubuntu is so popular most problems and obstacles already have solutions online. Which is good, because Ubuntu tends to be toward bleeding edge - with emphasis on the bleeding. However, if you wait a few months after a release to install the most troubling issues will be fixed. On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 1:59 PM, E Johnson <iris.gates(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Debian Squeeze is very nice. Everything Works. > The spacefun wallpaper & splash screen is pretty goofy, but they're easily > replacable, & easily forgotten. > I custom-install Firefox on all my Debian installations. > Also note: I did not install KDE on my latest Squeeze, since I didn't want > KDE4. Have xfce & KDE-trinity as choices of graphical environments. > > HTH > Liz J > > > On 25 March 2011 13:24, joel d <joelgroup(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > I am setting up a new laptop and trying to decide on which distro to go >> with... >> Probably the same list of finalists as everyone else in no particular >> order (Red Hat / CentOS / Fedora / Ubuntu / Gentoo / others). >> >> Has WLUG done a disto comparison night meeting? >> I think it might be interesting. >> Each person bring in a laptop with their favorite mainstream distro >> (possibly 3 or 4). >> Spend 20 to 30 minutes on each, showing the major differences >> (installs / apps handling / etc) and why they like it. >> >> Probably not a new idea. >> If it's been done of late then please disregard as I cannot make as >> many meetings as I once could. >> (This is due to my personal schedule not due to lack of interest.) >> >> Joel >> _______________________________________________ >> Wlug mailing list >> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > >

March 25, 2011

Re: [Wlug] WLUG meeting idea - Distro comparison

by E Johnson

Debian Squeeze is very nice. Everything Works. The spacefun wallpaper & splash screen is pretty goofy, but they're easily replacable, & easily forgotten. I custom-install Firefox on all my Debian installations. Also note: I did not install KDE on my latest Squeeze, since I didn't want KDE4. Have xfce & KDE-trinity as choices of graphical environments. HTH Liz J On 25 March 2011 13:24, joel d <joelgroup(a)gmail.com> wrote: I am setting up a new laptop and trying to decide on which distro to go > with... > Probably the same list of finalists as everyone else in no particular > order (Red Hat / CentOS / Fedora / Ubuntu / Gentoo / others). > > Has WLUG done a disto comparison night meeting? > I think it might be interesting. > Each person bring in a laptop with their favorite mainstream distro > (possibly 3 or 4). > Spend 20 to 30 minutes on each, showing the major differences > (installs / apps handling / etc) and why they like it. > > Probably not a new idea. > If it's been done of late then please disregard as I cannot make as > many meetings as I once could. > (This is due to my personal schedule not due to lack of interest.) > > Joel > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

March 25, 2011

Re: [Wlug] WLUG meeting idea - Distro comparison

by Justin St. Marie

Depends on your hardware and what packages you want. If your hardware is supported (or at least works with it) You can't beat RHEL in terms of stability. However, even with external repos, you might not have all the packages you want, or the versions of them you want. CentOS still doesn't have 6 out (based on F12/13), so the hardware support is still about on par. 5.x could be problematic. However if you want to give it a shot, try Scientific Linux. It's at version 6, and claims to be 100% binary compatible to RHEL. Fedora is going to have more updated packages and drivers, at the cost of stability. However, you will probably have better luck getting it on a laptop. Can't speak for Ubuntu or Gentoo. On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 1:24 PM, joel d <joelgroup(a)gmail.com> wrote: > I am setting up a new laptop and trying to decide on which distro to go > with... > Probably the same list of finalists as everyone else in no particular > order (Red Hat / CentOS / Fedora / Ubuntu / Gentoo / others). > > Has WLUG done a disto comparison night meeting? > I think it might be interesting. > Each person bring in a laptop with their favorite mainstream distro > (possibly 3 or 4). > Spend 20 to 30 minutes on each, showing the major differences > (installs / apps handling / etc) and why they like it. > > Probably not a new idea. > If it's been done of late then please disregard as I cannot make as > many meetings as I once could. > (This is due to my personal schedule not due to lack of interest.) > > Joel > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

March 25, 2011

WLUG meeting idea - Distro comparison

by joel d

I am setting up a new laptop and trying to decide on which distro to go with... Probably the same list of finalists as everyone else in no particular order (Red Hat / CentOS / Fedora / Ubuntu / Gentoo / others). Has WLUG done a disto comparison night meeting? I think it might be interesting. Each person bring in a laptop with their favorite mainstream distro (possibly 3 or 4). Spend 20 to 30 minutes on each, showing the major differences (installs / apps handling / etc) and why they like it. Probably not a new idea. If it's been done of late then please disregard as I cannot make as many meetings as I once could. (This is due to my personal schedule not due to lack of interest.) Joel

March 25, 2011

Re: [Wlug] Gentoo

by joel d

Got it. "Ward, aren't you being a little hard on the beaver?" I don't believe I shared my personal Gentoo opinion. Instead I mused about a hilarious website and Gentoo's popularity growing and fading like a wave... Approx. 4 years ago I tried Gentoo once for a few days and discovered it wasn't for me. "Hi... My name is Joel and I'm a "Distro-XYZ" user." Sounds like a support group intro to me. No axe to grind, it is just my personal preference. I prefer not to drink instant coffee also, so I merely go elsewhere for my warm, slightly burnt, caffeinated goods. As always your mileage can and will vary... Actually I was mostly amused with the odd autos makes me want to do the following to 15+ year old Honda Civic showing lots of rust: put a rear wing with a half sheet of plywood held on with drywall screws Spray the home-made wing neon yellow spray can to not match the car (don't mask the car first) remove the exhaust with a sawzall at the headers (loud with real flames) leave a pair of custom exhaust pipe tips out the rear (leaving the labling of Folgers coffee). hood scoop made with a sawzall duct tape and a Cheerios box replace all the wheels with 4 "donut" spares. drive it up and down the street with a really bad car stereo blasting "Tom's Diner". Anyone have a spent, near end-of-life donor car in their driveway? (on second thought, nevermind) Joel From: Gary Hanley <gary(a)hanley.net> Subject: Re: [Wlug] Gentoo To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org Message-ID: <4D8C0929.9090808(a)hanley.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Where is Barbara Billingsley when you need her? :-) On 03/24/2011 04:27 PM, joel d wrote: > Wow. > I have never been to Gentoo is Rice before. > That guy has some issues but I missed why he was so upset ;-) > Was very entertained by the highly visually modified but still stock > underpowered autos. > Pics are a "People of Walmart" for the auto world. > > That Gentoo's install numbers are fading: > everyone that wants it is upgrading as Jamie mentioned > dying due to Ubuntu adoption/popularity from the article > developers numbers dwindling from the article > no longer the cool distro for techies or average users (we want to > be cool too) > some other reasons... > or is it the end of it's technology "wave" > > IMHO, most technology comes and goes in 1 to 8 year waves. > > A technology wave example is the Slackware disto. > Who else remembers running Slackware (back when it was rather cool)? > Not sure I even know if they still release Slack anymore (I did just > go there and yup they do). > > Three related waves which took longer admidedly were > centralized processing and dumb terminals of the simpler good old days > modern servers and intelligent desktops with processing power > back to virtual machines (and thin clients which are really akin to > fancy terminals) > > Joel

March 25, 2011

Re: [Wlug] Gentoo

by John Stoffel

Just for hysterical counterpoint, I tried running gentoo about... dunno, six or so years ago. Having to compile everything was compelling when just a simple compiler flag change to optimze for a particular i686 type processor. But now days, the speed improvements are down in the noise. I've been a happy Debian user for years nad years now. I run Ubuntu Alphas on my desktop, but since I mount all my data from NFS, I run that server on Debian Squeeze. 175 days of uptime at my house, even with lots of patches. Probably should reboot to get the updated kernel into things. But anyway, I find that Debian gives me most of the control I want, and none of the hassle of having to compile stuff from scratch, though I do realize that Gentoo does off pre-compiled stuff now too. Dunno... just a data point, no strong feelings one way or another. John --

March 25, 2011

Re: [Wlug] Gentoo

by Gary Hanley

Where is Barbara Billingsley when you need her? :-) On 03/24/2011 04:27 PM, joel d wrote: > Wow. > I have never been to Gentoo is Rice before. > That guy has some issues but I missed why he was so upset ;-) > Was very entertained by the highly visually modified but still stock > underpowered autos. > Pics are a "People of Walmart" for the auto world. > > That Gentoo's install numbers are fading: > everyone that wants it is upgrading as Jamie mentioned > dying due to Ubuntu adoption/popularity from the article > developers numbers dwindling from the article > no longer the cool distro for techies or average users (we want to > be cool too) > some other reasons... > or is it the end of it's technology "wave" > > IMHO, most technology comes and goes in 1 to 8 year waves. > > A technology wave example is the Slackware disto. > Who else remembers running Slackware (back when it was rather cool)? > Not sure I even know if they still release Slack anymore (I did just > go there and yup they do). > > Three related waves which took longer admidedly were > centralized processing and dumb terminals of the simpler good old days > modern servers and intelligent desktops with processing power > back to virtual machines (and thin clients which are really akin to > fancy terminals) > > Joel > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > >

March 25, 2011

Re: [Wlug] Gentoo

by John Platt

I run slackware-current since I stopped being able to cope with Gentoo's XPDF dependency -- I forget which package it is which requires it. About the only problem I have with it is it keeps updating me to Seamonkey 2.0 beta 2 when I don't want it (I've given up fighting that). I actually would recommend it -- and of course this is the unstable version which should become Slackware 14. On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 4:27 PM, joel d <joelgroup(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Wow. > I have never been to Gentoo is Rice before. > That guy has some issues but I missed why he was so upset ;-) > Was very entertained by the highly visually modified but still stock > underpowered autos. > Pics are a "People of Walmart" for the auto world. > > That Gentoo's install numbers are fading: > everyone that wants it is upgrading as Jamie mentioned > dying due to Ubuntu adoption/popularity from the article > developers numbers dwindling from the article > no longer the cool distro for techies or average users (we want to > be cool too) > some other reasons... > or is it the end of it's technology "wave" > > IMHO, most technology comes and goes in 1 to 8 year waves. > > A technology wave example is the Slackware disto. > Who else remembers running Slackware (back when it was rather cool)? > Not sure I even know if they still release Slack anymore (I did just > go there and yup they do). > > Three related waves which took longer admidedly were > centralized processing and dumb terminals of the simpler good old days > modern servers and intelligent desktops with processing power > back to virtual machines (and thin clients which are really akin to > fancy terminals) > > Joel > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

March 24, 2011

Re: [Wlug] Gentoo

by joel d

Wow. I have never been to Gentoo is Rice before. That guy has some issues but I missed why he was so upset ;-) Was very entertained by the highly visually modified but still stock underpowered autos. Pics are a "People of Walmart" for the auto world. That Gentoo's install numbers are fading: everyone that wants it is upgrading as Jamie mentioned dying due to Ubuntu adoption/popularity from the article developers numbers dwindling from the article no longer the cool distro for techies or average users (we want to be cool too) some other reasons... or is it the end of it's technology "wave" IMHO, most technology comes and goes in 1 to 8 year waves. A technology wave example is the Slackware disto. Who else remembers running Slackware (back when it was rather cool)? Not sure I even know if they still release Slack anymore (I did just go there and yup they do). Three related waves which took longer admidedly were centralized processing and dumb terminals of the simpler good old days modern servers and intelligent desktops with processing power back to virtual machines (and thin clients which are really akin to fancy terminals) Joel

March 24, 2011

Re: [Wlug] Gentoo

by Mike Frysinger

On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 1:18 PM, Jamie Guinan wrote: > On Wed, 23 Mar 2011, Joshua Demallistre wrote: >> I was thinking about giving Gentoo a try. It would be nice for some one in >> the group could give me a hand. > > Another distro to consider is Arch. I haven't used it, but it appears > to be similar in spirit to Gentoo. meh, Arch is the poor man's Gentoo ;) > it contains a lot of relatively low-level configuration stuff that one > would not need to know for a plug-and-play distro. *hopefully* not need to know, but we all know how often that comes up ... -mike

March 24, 2011

Re: [Wlug] Gentoo

by Jamie Guinan

On Wed, 23 Mar 2011, Joshua Demallistre wrote: > I was thinking about giving Gentoo a try. It would be nice for some one in > the group could give me a hand. Another distro to consider is Arch. I haven't used it, but it appears to be similar in spirit to Gentoo. Looking at the beginner's guide, https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Beginners%27_Guide it contains a lot of relatively low-level configuration stuff that one would not need to know for a plug-and-play distro. So as a "learning Linux" platform, Arch does looks promising. -Jamie

March 24, 2011

Re: [Wlug] Gentoo

by Gary Hanley

Gentoo is nice and has a lot of great advantages but it requires a lot of attention...which I became tired of doing. I switched to Ubuntu about three years ago and have been generally happy with it. But if you want to learn the ins and outs of Linux and how a distribution is built or in need a highly customized build there is no better platform than Gentoo. (At least that I'm aware of.) Just be prepared for some pain and suffering along the way. -- Gary On 03/23/2011 12:19 PM, Joshua Demallistre wrote: > I was thinking about giving Gentoo a try. It would be nice for some one > in the group could give me a hand.

March 24, 2011

Re: [Wlug] Gentoo

by John Platt

Just a couple of thoughts. 1. for a good commentary on the gentoo handbook I recommend the blog postings of Vincent Zoonekynd. He's French, he's modest and he's very insightful. http://zoonek.free.fr/blosxom/Linux/2006-01-01_Gentoo.html 2. You can probably install it with a slax cd. Or a gentoo disk of course. Either has a /proc/config.gz which will work very well with genkernel to compile a kernel. After you have emerged genkernel type: zcat /proc/config.gz > /usr/share/genkernel/x86/kernel-config-2.6 Then genkernel all to create a kernel and initramfs. Of course for a 64-bit machine you should zcat it to the appropriate subdirectory which I believe is x86_64 On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 2:10 PM, Jamie Guinan <guinan(a)bluebutton.com> wrote: > On Wed, 23 Mar 2011, Eric Martin wrote: > >> On 03/23/11 12:19, Joshua Demallistre wrote: >> > >> > I was thinking about giving Gentoo a try. It would be nice for some >> > one in the group could give me a hand. >> > >> What sort of help are you looking for? There used to be a >> disproportionately large Gentoo user base in WLUG, although I don't know >> how large it is anymore. I use it at home and work and I'd be glad to >> help you out. For me, the great thing about Gentoo is the learning >> experience; I learned a lot about GNU/Linux by doing my first Gentoo >> installs, and I'm still learning. If you haven't already, grab the >> install discs and peruse through the install docs. If you have a 64bit >> machine, I suggest grabbing the 64bit disc. Maintaining Gentoo x64 >> isn't terribly hard, and you can use memory more efficiently. > > Gentoo user here, too. Although I haven't done a fresh install in > quite a while, I just keep updating. > > What I like best about Gentoo is picking and choosing which packages > to include and leave out, both applications and libraries. For > example, the other day I wanted to install "gtkpod", but I really > don't want to have Mono or QT4 installed on my system, for various > reasons. Doing a test install, I can verify that they are left out: > > # emerge -ptv gtkpod > > These are the packages that would be merged, in reverse order: > > Calculating dependencies... done! > [ebuild N ] app-pda/gtkpod-1.0.0 USE="aac flac mp3 ogg -curl" 1,856 kB > [ebuild N ] media-libs/libgpod-0.8.0 USE="gtk iphone python udev -mono -static-libs" 975 kB > [nomerge ] media-libs/libgpod-0.8.0 USE="gtk iphone python udev -mono -static-libs" > [nomerge ] sys-apps/sg3_utils-1.30 > [ebuild N ] sys-apps/rescan-scsi-bus-1.48 21 kB > [ebuild N ] sys-apps/sg3_utils-1.30 863 kB > [ebuild N ] app-pda/libimobiledevice-1.0.4 USE="python" 404 kB > [ebuild N ] app-pda/usbmuxd-1.0.6 57 kB > [ebuild N ] app-pda/libplist-1.3 67 kB > [ebuild U ] dev-util/cmake-2.8.3-r1 [2.8.0-r2] USE="ncurses -emacs -qt4 -vim-syntax" 5,310 kB > ... > > The USE= "-mono" and "-qt4" flags indicate that the listed packages > will be built without that support. Gentoo handles that by passing > the necessary options to "configure" when it builds the package, and > that is IMO the main point of using a source-based distribution. > > If you *did* want support for mono, you could edit "/etc/make.conf" > (system-wide) or "/etc/portage/package.use" (package-specific), add > the "mono" flag (or remove "-mono"), and try again. > > For better or worse, I think gentoo kind of peaked in popularity > several years ago. Related article, > > http://news.cnet.com/8301-13505_3-10047439-16.html?tag=mncol;title > > But it still meets my needs on several of my computers. > > And finally, yes, I am aware of "http://funroll-loops.info/", and I > don't care. :) > > -Jamie > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

March 23, 2011

Re: [Wlug] Gentoo

by Jamie Guinan

On Wed, 23 Mar 2011, Eric Martin wrote: > On 03/23/11 12:19, Joshua Demallistre wrote: > > > > I was thinking about giving Gentoo a try. It would be nice for some > > one in the group could give me a hand. > > > What sort of help are you looking for? There used to be a > disproportionately large Gentoo user base in WLUG, although I don't know > how large it is anymore. I use it at home and work and I'd be glad to > help you out. For me, the great thing about Gentoo is the learning > experience; I learned a lot about GNU/Linux by doing my first Gentoo > installs, and I'm still learning. If you haven't already, grab the > install discs and peruse through the install docs. If you have a 64bit > machine, I suggest grabbing the 64bit disc. Maintaining Gentoo x64 > isn't terribly hard, and you can use memory more efficiently. Gentoo user here, too. Although I haven't done a fresh install in quite a while, I just keep updating. What I like best about Gentoo is picking and choosing which packages to include and leave out, both applications and libraries. For example, the other day I wanted to install "gtkpod", but I really don't want to have Mono or QT4 installed on my system, for various reasons. Doing a test install, I can verify that they are left out: # emerge -ptv gtkpod These are the packages that would be merged, in reverse order: Calculating dependencies... done! [ebuild N ] app-pda/gtkpod-1.0.0 USE="aac flac mp3 ogg -curl" 1,856 kB [ebuild N ] media-libs/libgpod-0.8.0 USE="gtk iphone python udev -mono -static-libs" 975 kB [nomerge ] media-libs/libgpod-0.8.0 USE="gtk iphone python udev -mono -static-libs" [nomerge ] sys-apps/sg3_utils-1.30 [ebuild N ] sys-apps/rescan-scsi-bus-1.48 21 kB [ebuild N ] sys-apps/sg3_utils-1.30 863 kB [ebuild N ] app-pda/libimobiledevice-1.0.4 USE="python" 404 kB [ebuild N ] app-pda/usbmuxd-1.0.6 57 kB [ebuild N ] app-pda/libplist-1.3 67 kB [ebuild U ] dev-util/cmake-2.8.3-r1 [2.8.0-r2] USE="ncurses -emacs -qt4 -vim-syntax" 5,310 kB ... The USE= "-mono" and "-qt4" flags indicate that the listed packages will be built without that support. Gentoo handles that by passing the necessary options to "configure" when it builds the package, and that is IMO the main point of using a source-based distribution. If you *did* want support for mono, you could edit "/etc/make.conf" (system-wide) or "/etc/portage/package.use" (package-specific), add the "mono" flag (or remove "-mono"), and try again. For better or worse, I think gentoo kind of peaked in popularity several years ago. Related article, http://news.cnet.com/8301-13505_3-10047439-16.html?tag=mncol;title But it still meets my needs on several of my computers. And finally, yes, I am aware of "http://funroll-loops.info/", and I don't care. :) -Jamie

March 23, 2011

Re: [Wlug] Gentoo

by Eric Martin

On 03/23/11 12:19, Joshua Demallistre wrote: > > I was thinking about giving Gentoo a try. It would be nice for some > one in the group could give me a hand. > What sort of help are you looking for? There used to be a disproportionately large Gentoo user base in WLUG, although I don't know how large it is anymore. I use it at home and work and I'd be glad to help you out. For me, the great thing about Gentoo is the learning experience; I learned a lot about GNU/Linux by doing my first Gentoo installs, and I'm still learning. If you haven't already, grab the install discs and peruse through the install docs. If you have a 64bit machine, I suggest grabbing the 64bit disc. Maintaining Gentoo x64 isn't terribly hard, and you can use memory more efficiently. -- eric GnuPG Fingerprint = D1C4 086E DBB5 C18E 6FDA B215 6A25 7174 A941 3B9F

March 23, 2011

Gentoo

by Joshua Demallistre

I was thinking about giving Gentoo a try. It would be nice for some one in the group could give me a hand. Sent via Android On Mar 23, 2011 12:00 PM, <wlug-request(a)mail.wlug.org> wrote: > Send Wlug mailing list submissions to > wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > wlug-request(a)mail.wlug.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > wlug-owner(a)mail.wlug.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Wlug digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. My Ubuntu Remix CD... (Andy Stewart) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2011 23:47:44 -0400 > From: Andy Stewart <andystewart(a)comcast.net> > Subject: [Wlug] My Ubuntu Remix CD... > To: Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> > Message-ID: <4D896D60.2040901(a)comcast.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > > HI gang, > > I recently remixed an Ubuntu 10.10 CD for the Linux ham radio users (and > there are many!). I am not yet distributing it widely, but I would like > to get a couple of people to try it. It is a Live CD that can also be > installed to the hard drive. > > If you are interested, please download the ISO file from this location: > http://home.comcast.net/~andystewart/linux_intro/ubuntu-remix-5.iso > > My target hardware is an older computer, 256MB of memory, and 1GHz > processor, at a minimum. This started from the Ubuntu 10.10 server > edition. I added icewm and a bunch of programs for amateur radio. One > can see these programs in the "Amateur Radio" menu. > > Even if you are not an amateur radio operator, you might find the > software selection interesting. > > I am mostly concerned about the sound system, which seems to be changing > yet again(!), this time to pulseaudio. An easy program to try is xcwcp > which will simply beep morse code at you. If that works, I expect other > apps will work also. (xcwcp -x /dev/dsp should work, or invoke it from > the menu). > > Also, if you attempt to install it to a hard drive, please do it in a > computer with no valuable data or other operating systems, just in case. > > If you try it, please send me some feedback. > > Thanks! > > Andy > > -- > Andy Stewart (KB1OIQ) > Founder: Worcester Linux Users' Group > Founder: Chelmsford Linux Meetup Group > President: PART of Westford, MA (WB1GOF) > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > End of Wlug Digest, Vol 89, Issue 8 > ***********************************

March 23, 2011

My Ubuntu Remix CD...

by Andy Stewart

HI gang, I recently remixed an Ubuntu 10.10 CD for the Linux ham radio users (and there are many!). I am not yet distributing it widely, but I would like to get a couple of people to try it. It is a Live CD that can also be installed to the hard drive. If you are interested, please download the ISO file from this location: http://home.comcast.net/~andystewart/linux_intro/ubuntu-remix-5.iso My target hardware is an older computer, 256MB of memory, and 1GHz processor, at a minimum. This started from the Ubuntu 10.10 server edition. I added icewm and a bunch of programs for amateur radio. One can see these programs in the "Amateur Radio" menu. Even if you are not an amateur radio operator, you might find the software selection interesting. I am mostly concerned about the sound system, which seems to be changing yet again(!), this time to pulseaudio. An easy program to try is xcwcp which will simply beep morse code at you. If that works, I expect other apps will work also. (xcwcp -x /dev/dsp should work, or invoke it from the menu). Also, if you attempt to install it to a hard drive, please do it in a computer with no valuable data or other operating systems, just in case. If you try it, please send me some feedback. Thanks! Andy -- Andy Stewart (KB1OIQ) Founder: Worcester Linux Users' Group Founder: Chelmsford Linux Meetup Group President: PART of Westford, MA (WB1GOF)

March 23, 2011

Northeast Linuxfest April 2, 2011

by Chuck Anderson

Come join me at the Northeast Linuxfest! Saturday, April 2, 10:30 a.m. - 3:00 p.m. FREE registration (optional $30 donation) at http://northeastlinuxfest.org/ Worcester State University Student Center 486 Chandler St. Worcester MA 01602 I've forwarded more details from the BLU list below. ----- Forwarded message from b p <bruce84(a)yahoo.com> ----- From: b p <bruce84(a)yahoo.com> To: discuss(a)blu.org Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2011 19:31:13 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Northeast Linuxfest April 2, 2011 Hey guys - I haven't seen this posted yet so I'm sorry if it has on another list. The Northeast Linuxfest is just around the corner, the event will be held in Worcester MA. We hope you can make it! Jonathan Nadeau of Frostbite systems and he has posted his speakers list for the Northeast Linuxfest. He's got John Maddog Hall! Now you really have no reason not to go! Here is the list of speakers below: 11am Roberto C. Sanchez "Getting Stuff Packaged for Debian." 12pm Jarod Wilson "Intro to GNU/Linux Home Theater PCs" 1pm Jon “Maddog” Hall "GNU/Linux in Education, Government and Business." 2pm Matt Lee "Why Software Should Be Free." So, now that we're two weeks away, I hope to see you all there! Hurry because attendance is filling fast! Details can be found at Northeast Linuxfest - http://northeastlinuxfest.org/ ----- Forwarded message from b p <bruce84(a)yahoo.com> ----- From: b p <bruce84(a)yahoo.com> To: Tom Metro <tmetro-blu(a)vl.com> Cc: discuss(a)blu.org Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2011 05:06:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Northeast Linuxfest April 2, 2011 Good morning all, I should have clarified some of the murkier statements made, I apologize for that. Tom, what I put up was the complete schedule of speakers and you are correct the event is FREE. The $30 is optional, this is to help cover costs for the student center space. Red Hat has graciously agreed to sponsor the event. The purpose of this event is to gather linux users for a one day event, mostly to discuss all things linux/unix and to meet other users throughout the area. This is the inaugural event, so based on attendance this year there are plans to hopefully expand the event much like SCALE or any of the other community driven events. As for who Jonathan of Frostbite systems is, his company sells computers with linux installed. He gives a percentage back to the distro that is ordered on the machines. His main focus is selling machines for the blind or visually impaired, which he himself is. He is also the podcaster for both Fedora weekly and Debian. He resides in Worcester MA and of course for more about his company you can checkout - http://www.frostbitesystems.com/ This is not meant as a selling point for the event. He is merely setting this up because he felt there was a need and interest for such an event. Lastly, I don't have a list of exhibitors but I do know the folks at Hacker Public Radio will have a table there. I hope I've addressed all questions. Again sorry for the confusion, I should have proof read the original before sending out. Take care, Bp ----- End forwarded message -----

March 22, 2011

Re: [Wlug] 2D CAD for Linux

by E Johnson

Feedback on DraftSight: We downloaded & attempted to install DraftSight on Squeeze. Doesn't work, the DraftSight deb does not install. Note: One must first sign a user agreement with the provider before the installer will (attempt to) install this prog. After we agreed to (whatever it was), the dpkg process repeatedly produced a bizarre error: Setting up dassault-systemes-draftsight (2011.2.705) ... /usr/bin/xdg-mime: 769: cannot create /root/.local/share/applications/defaults.list.new: Directory nonexistent grep: /root/.local/share/applications/defaults.list.new: No such file or directory Indeed there is a .local directory in our home directory, but certainly no directory called root there. Perhaps the deb contains a mistake. We chose to install Qcad, an app that is already in the Debain repository. HTH Liz J On 9 March 2011 12:49, Richard Klein <richspk(a)gmail.com> wrote: I just read that DraftSight 2D CAD software is now available for Linux: > http://www.3ds.com/products/draftsight/free-cad-software/ > > I use it all the time in Windows. It works, and the price is right. > > -- > Rich > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

March 15, 2011

Re: [Wlug] Wlug Digest, Vol 89, Issue 5

by David Hardy

Hi, Pete; I was posting from my MIL's place at Shelburne-On-The-Bay, just south of Burlington and just off Route 7. We were house-sitting for her while she's snowbirding in Florida. The Bay opens up into Lake Champlain, which right now has a bit of ice near the shores and is otherwise open water, thanks to the moderate temps this week. We actually live in a 205-year-old farmhouse in West Montpelier. With two dogs and four cats, and two each, Windows and Linux boxes. My Windows 7 box has some VMS emulation sw on it for old lang syne, seeing as how that was my early experience in IT for years. Last worked with OpenVMS 7.1 four years ago. You're at Clark U.? Wow. I worked there in campus police from 1980-83, then the campus bookstore, where I sold DEC Rainbows in cooperation with DEC to students, faculty and staff, and then when they sold it out to Barnes and Noble, I went back to campus police for another eighteen months, finally leaving in '86 to go work out at Simplex Time Recorder, in Gardner, with a PDP-11 running RSX for CAD/CAM apps and a MicroVax running VMS 4.0. I first learned VMS down in the basement of the Goddard Library while I worked the dead shifts for the CPD, reading those old orange binder manuals. Several of the campus police are still there, including the chief, who started there as a patrolman, and of course some of the faculty are still teaching. Jack Foley was working as an assistant manager at one of the dining halls when I started there in 1980. I stopped by to visit in '06 and also applied for an IT job there, as I believe they still had VMS, plus the usual Windows, and also Red Hat. Never heard from them. Par for the job search for many years now. Also applied for IT gigs at WPI and never heard from them, either. So I am back in northern Vermont and after being bounced from a one-year temp contract nine months early, am on the job hunt again. So much fun. Regards, Dave On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 12:00 PM, <wlug-request(a)mail.wlug.org> wrote: > Send Wlug mailing list submissions to > wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > wlug-request(a)mail.wlug.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > wlug-owner(a)mail.wlug.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Wlug digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: KO (Pete Wason) > 2. Re: Wlug Digest, Vol 88, Issue 10 (Pete Wason) > 3. Re: Wlug Digest, Vol 88, Issue 10 (Pete Wason) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 19:38:08 -0400 > From: Pete Wason <codevark(a)aim.com> > Subject: Re: [Wlug] KO > To: Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> > Message-ID: <4D7EA6E0.5090805(a)aim.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > I worked with a guy in the late '90s at a dotcom; at some point before > that he managed a huge team at DEC and was friends with KO, played golf > and such. Had great things to say about the man. > > On 2/12/2011 9:56 AM, kevin.paetzold wrote: > > Since we are reminiscing about DEC and KO.... > > > > I started at DEC in 1978 working on the DECSYSTEM20. My first manager > > was one of the first 100 DEC employees and even though I was initially > > working as a contractor for DEC (on an air force base) in Rome NY we > > made a trip to Maynard where he introduced me to the mill and to Ken > > Olsen. It was a fascinating time as I worked at the place which > > essentially funded the ARPANET and TCP/IP. I went to work in DEC > > engineering in Marlboro in 1981. Eventually I ended up at Stratus where > > among other things I now manage the Linux group (I never worked on VMS > > although I did do some stuff with the Ultrix group). It still amazes me > > (and many others) that DEC went away. I often tell my engineers that > > when I see some computer or software technology that DEC did not have I > > will let them know (there is some but not much that DEC did not have > > first and for which very little credit is given). > > _______________________________________________ > > Wlug mailing list > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (MingW32) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ > > iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJNfqbgAAoJEBARJW02o9tw44oH/2Tn2xUeai1p/UExIQtI8zUc > A8FGBBfpOBjteWaTKiRYNDdYhLNeI2v/DDyhtqJO+8DlKDLesFlDgEDShLXqlCZ3 > ege8GM49O5ZfCjA8Ta82J1DUtK7AhvPL6/D4py/gboENX//JGGCUqPGcxSWo0dCl > sxe/MTeS36JstyStQlVfHLtvuaQIdZalLaqn/ywuVeBROHOCo23UNEQBRQ77BgFG > fJuChOT6cQe2Ht0g2kDZEPYd2pxqDjXprr5M7RYlcyxMNu58QusokGjyK0+ezL3M > 5QVeySsAMegCvehLPHdhnMfQkAdUwmwg6zeTLq8ZTzAIxIsrBJ9/8UZ+7AUbAZs= > =LmGf > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 19:41:37 -0400 > From: Pete Wason <codevark(a)aim.com> > Subject: Re: [Wlug] Wlug Digest, Vol 88, Issue 10 > To: Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> > Message-ID: <4D7EA7B1.5040502(a)aim.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Hi, Dave - > > Just curious, where on Lake Champlain? I currently work at Clark U., and > lived in Burlington for about 6 years during the early to mid '80s. It's > my favorite city east of the Mississippi. > > Pete > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (MingW32) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ > > iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJNfqexAAoJEBARJW02o9tw2zgH/08yRIIxybhN12On9ptOtxnE > NpzMQHSDsMDL2c22WwRdQxPPCPdA6I0OW594Gswg7vpbh6WOYtO2eXHBHf0rCjps > Lwc8dCVQGGnQn11nJ9FFEUmALIXxvXsfxYzvCcHNV7zM057D47rJEf9guZcZUNXj > yxMfLgHLW5nvP5f9JodvogNRO/Do5nUXYn1znWhq31Wyu/Afg3P85/DrO/QY0j9S > ZomjIiTNzRXKgZc5wBsfm+FEC5AvClSROhdQ0grQ5XSRkX5QzAr1/Gs+s/x8uKGX > gNQ43ZwnY9epsfvnbEokLi9X8ZKvKa5ye+2XOqT1I757zBWGHuSoIrNW3wKvV6w= > =BlEg > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 00:06:03 -0400 > From: Pete Wason <codevark(a)aim.com> > Subject: Re: [Wlug] Wlug Digest, Vol 88, Issue 10 > To: codevark(a)aim.com, Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> > Message-ID: <4D7EE5AB.3010302(a)aim.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > heh that was weird. specifically chose reply to sender not list.. oh well > :) > > On 3/14/2011 7:41 PM, Pete Wason wrote: > > Hi, Dave - > > > > Just curious, where on Lake Champlain? I currently work at Clark U., and > > lived in Burlington for about 6 years during the early to mid '80s. It's > > my favorite city east of the Mississippi. > > > > Pete > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (MingW32) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ > > iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJNfuWrAAoJEBARJW02o9tw8SMH/3k85Pzwp/GwAKQ9qndOljvZ > j0jgHwy1Wnd0Uyl7GDGeHYwIqqf4k8l7aegZTzMsfWAQMheMlO1OYNw+fwJCarGA > eFkShc1BjXyz4bY2WiSWl1M4noyJr4FHMwYBRDgXT6HtI6SnphvzFgC8ofhiLqFE > yJWLLlSwJnHtBP+AJNBLF+DNc+Ev3FZatY5PAP5xojnb57g8Nr9fDJGzwb1PZzrm > PaHSwA0kxY2ajDX0aoQy5R8okuu3/HR9U++QKPNmMlM4aX1YpIQ8Q6CWNqC6vAB9 > kxTGEj3Skvki5/VBLu9mvZvrQOkA33/oj0keKWjCyRCD5Jk/9N6NrSkAdo/zHww= > =fp1Z > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > End of Wlug Digest, Vol 89, Issue 5 > *********************************** >

March 15, 2011

Re: [Wlug] Wlug Digest, Vol 88, Issue 10

by Pete Wason

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 heh that was weird. specifically chose reply to sender not list.. oh well :) On 3/14/2011 7:41 PM, Pete Wason wrote: > Hi, Dave - > > Just curious, where on Lake Champlain? I currently work at Clark U., and > lived in Burlington for about 6 years during the early to mid '80s. It's > my favorite city east of the Mississippi. > > Pete _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJNfuWrAAoJEBARJW02o9tw8SMH/3k85Pzwp/GwAKQ9qndOljvZ j0jgHwy1Wnd0Uyl7GDGeHYwIqqf4k8l7aegZTzMsfWAQMheMlO1OYNw+fwJCarGA eFkShc1BjXyz4bY2WiSWl1M4noyJr4FHMwYBRDgXT6HtI6SnphvzFgC8ofhiLqFE yJWLLlSwJnHtBP+AJNBLF+DNc+Ev3FZatY5PAP5xojnb57g8Nr9fDJGzwb1PZzrm PaHSwA0kxY2ajDX0aoQy5R8okuu3/HR9U++QKPNmMlM4aX1YpIQ8Q6CWNqC6vAB9 kxTGEj3Skvki5/VBLu9mvZvrQOkA33/oj0keKWjCyRCD5Jk/9N6NrSkAdo/zHww= =fp1Z -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

March 15, 2011

Re: [Wlug] Wlug Digest, Vol 88, Issue 10

by Pete Wason

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi, Dave - Just curious, where on Lake Champlain? I currently work at Clark U., and lived in Burlington for about 6 years during the early to mid '80s. It's my favorite city east of the Mississippi. Pete -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJNfqexAAoJEBARJW02o9tw2zgH/08yRIIxybhN12On9ptOtxnE NpzMQHSDsMDL2c22WwRdQxPPCPdA6I0OW594Gswg7vpbh6WOYtO2eXHBHf0rCjps Lwc8dCVQGGnQn11nJ9FFEUmALIXxvXsfxYzvCcHNV7zM057D47rJEf9guZcZUNXj yxMfLgHLW5nvP5f9JodvogNRO/Do5nUXYn1znWhq31Wyu/Afg3P85/DrO/QY0j9S ZomjIiTNzRXKgZc5wBsfm+FEC5AvClSROhdQ0grQ5XSRkX5QzAr1/Gs+s/x8uKGX gNQ43ZwnY9epsfvnbEokLi9X8ZKvKa5ye+2XOqT1I757zBWGHuSoIrNW3wKvV6w= =BlEg -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

March 14, 2011

Re: [Wlug] KO

by Pete Wason

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I worked with a guy in the late '90s at a dotcom; at some point before that he managed a huge team at DEC and was friends with KO, played golf and such. Had great things to say about the man. On 2/12/2011 9:56 AM, kevin.paetzold wrote: > Since we are reminiscing about DEC and KO.... > > I started at DEC in 1978 working on the DECSYSTEM20. My first manager > was one of the first 100 DEC employees and even though I was initially > working as a contractor for DEC (on an air force base) in Rome NY we > made a trip to Maynard where he introduced me to the mill and to Ken > Olsen. It was a fascinating time as I worked at the place which > essentially funded the ARPANET and TCP/IP. I went to work in DEC > engineering in Marlboro in 1981. Eventually I ended up at Stratus where > among other things I now manage the Linux group (I never worked on VMS > although I did do some stuff with the Ultrix group). It still amazes me > (and many others) that DEC went away. I often tell my engineers that > when I see some computer or software technology that DEC did not have I > will let them know (there is some but not much that DEC did not have > first and for which very little credit is given). > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJNfqbgAAoJEBARJW02o9tw44oH/2Tn2xUeai1p/UExIQtI8zUc A8FGBBfpOBjteWaTKiRYNDdYhLNeI2v/DDyhtqJO+8DlKDLesFlDgEDShLXqlCZ3 ege8GM49O5ZfCjA8Ta82J1DUtK7AhvPL6/D4py/gboENX//JGGCUqPGcxSWo0dCl sxe/MTeS36JstyStQlVfHLtvuaQIdZalLaqn/ywuVeBROHOCo23UNEQBRQ77BgFG fJuChOT6cQe2Ht0g2kDZEPYd2pxqDjXprr5M7RYlcyxMNu58QusokGjyK0+ezL3M 5QVeySsAMegCvehLPHdhnMfQkAdUwmwg6zeTLq8ZTzAIxIsrBJ9/8UZ+7AUbAZs= =LmGf -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

March 14, 2011

Re: [Wlug] Anyone familiar with XenServer 5.0?

by Tim Keller

Pete, What OS is the vhost running? Also, you might want to upgrade to XenServer 5.6. Thanks, Tim. On Sun, Mar 13, 2011 at 11:20 PM, Pete Wason <codevark(a)aim.com> wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > I'm mucking about with three vhosts and one refuses to connect to the > iSCSI SR the other two can see fine. Have tried a number of things, > still no progress.. > > Pete > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (MingW32) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ > > iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJNfYmMAAoJEBARJW02o9tw9r8H/j7759HRudUsvem3sW55U+7e > jJ7D0nFTKEx2JsBKqabrODWIGb+uKgZT8Lk+BXYYIgXDPUWmFa/uf5dAzk9U48xC > ubiNcLFpPZhdcj9eym9N3UEh7x4m8HjvhmMU09946KpLBy8ak5ebEo8vqw0Jxv8R > CziiekfonMMmiFGeQKB17qll+a0u5U+yrknt2gw4RooVYQeOBvQE7lVBK1FOoa0f > 0dul4ZHO5hQrUw2Plx4TwL1BhdGV4U+yHDUv86jayZsFEniaZFtoQXkuvRTMlXws > 7E+pYDKGyH37kPJewUhWV3GmHtX502wt2gOGR1U0XsbsO7wCnEECDxopbrbWRhw= > =fV/D > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

March 14, 2011

Anyone familiar with XenServer 5.0?

by Pete Wason

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March 14, 2011

2D CAD for Linux

by Richard Klein

I just read that DraftSight 2D CAD software is now available for Linux: http://www.3ds.com/products/draftsight/free-cad-software/ I use it all the time in Windows. It works, and the price is right. -- Rich

March 9, 2011

WLUG Meeting Tomorrow (3/9) Virtualization Technologies!

by Tim Keller

Hey Everybody, Remember, We've got a WLUG meeting tomorrow! I'm going to be giving a talk about virtualization technologies at 7PM. The meeting is going to be in the meeting room next to Morgan Hall (Look for the penguins!) Later, Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

March 8, 2011

Reminder: WLUG Meeting Next Wed (3/9) Topic: Virtualization Technologies

by Tim Keller

Hey Everybody, This is a reminder that next Wednesday I'm going to be giving a talk about virtualization technologies. I plan to do some white boarding, slides and a demo of different virtualization products currently on the market (both closed and open source). If anybody has specific questions or specific things they'd like to me to cover let me know and I'll update/expand my slides and notes to cover it. Thanks, Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

March 2, 2011

Re: [Wlug] Google Earth

by Walt

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 setsebool -P allow_execmod 1 That worked! Thank you!!! Walt On 02/18/2011 12:36 PM, Daniel J Walsh wrote: > On 02/18/2011 11:33 AM, Walt wrote: >> Trying to get Google Earth to work. Starts and closes without working. >> Any ideas? >> Thanks! >> Walt > >> >From SEalert: > >> Raw Audit Messages >> type=AVC msg=audit(1297979188.74:143442): avc: denied { execmod } for >> pid=22634 comm="googleearth-bin" path="/opt/google-earth/libIGGfx.so" >> dev=dm-0 ino=683598 scontext=unconfined_u:unconfined_r:unconfined_t:s0 >> tcontext=unconfined_u:object_r:usr_t:s0 tclass=file > > >> type=SYSCALL msg=audit(1297979188.74:143442): arch=i386 syscall=mprotect >> success=no exit=EACCES a0=764b000 a1=36b000 a2=5 a3=bfe8c250 items=0 >> ppid=21605 pid=22634 auid=500 uid=0 gid=0 euid=0 suid=0 fsuid=0 egid=0 >> sgid=0 fsgid=0 tty=pts1 ses=618 comm=googleearth-bin >> exe=/opt/google-earth/googleearth-bin >> subj=unconfined_u:unconfined_r:unconfined_t:s0 key=(null) > >> Hash: googleearth-bin,unconfined_t,usr_t,file,execmod > >> audit2allow > >> #============= unconfined_t ============== >> #!!!! This avc can be allowed using the boolean 'allow_execmod' > >> allow unconfined_t usr_t:file execmod; > >> audit2allow -R > >> #============= unconfined_t ============== >> #!!!! This avc can be allowed using the boolean 'allow_execmod' > >> allow unconfined_t usr_t:file execmod; > > > > >> _______________________________________________ >> Wlug mailing list >> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > restorecon -R -v /opt/google > > If that does not work > > # setsebool -P allow_execmod 1 > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJNXsusAAoJEGxeLalZnYLuBj8H/ibay4odkAkp6tqeh+LTqHQD reu0eDm9AVyjN96Ud9CyOJTySzPnIHNVPgN6cKbCEju8JRc8rQNpXbKWpLN3OGih AOPDj+199Y+2EeWZjY8w6klSSN/q61fkv3cziOt3S/2qsCiZyiyNEFpm8JMgaUXk wJ/vKG293o4p+AtW2LU3V4pX+tO54uYio0X/bb1VeHvgO8R/ySrYCzDZI25w8J5P tQHz03f9BuarVumUSOsvRMgjZL58c2G1/go4HrcbdsuMKdVR5p+Bya+RIROWWPgQ Ydi3ZMqhR1I3Xs1b4ca8rBr61mtena1dKf5FQTCxHL3FFd43BFO8WHSRQ1xk0oc= =4aP7 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

Feb. 18, 2011

Re: [Wlug] Google Earth

by Daniel J Walsh

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 02/18/2011 11:33 AM, Walt wrote: > Trying to get Google Earth to work. Starts and closes without working. > Any ideas? > Thanks! > Walt > >>From SEalert: > > Raw Audit Messages > type=AVC msg=audit(1297979188.74:143442): avc: denied { execmod } for > pid=22634 comm="googleearth-bin" path="/opt/google-earth/libIGGfx.so" > dev=dm-0 ino=683598 scontext=unconfined_u:unconfined_r:unconfined_t:s0 > tcontext=unconfined_u:object_r:usr_t:s0 tclass=file > > > type=SYSCALL msg=audit(1297979188.74:143442): arch=i386 syscall=mprotect > success=no exit=EACCES a0=764b000 a1=36b000 a2=5 a3=bfe8c250 items=0 > ppid=21605 pid=22634 auid=500 uid=0 gid=0 euid=0 suid=0 fsuid=0 egid=0 > sgid=0 fsgid=0 tty=pts1 ses=618 comm=googleearth-bin > exe=/opt/google-earth/googleearth-bin > subj=unconfined_u:unconfined_r:unconfined_t:s0 key=(null) > > Hash: googleearth-bin,unconfined_t,usr_t,file,execmod > > audit2allow > > #============= unconfined_t ============== > #!!!! This avc can be allowed using the boolean 'allow_execmod' > > allow unconfined_t usr_t:file execmod; > > audit2allow -R > > #============= unconfined_t ============== > #!!!! This avc can be allowed using the boolean 'allow_execmod' > > allow unconfined_t usr_t:file execmod; > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug restorecon -R -v /opt/google If that does not work # setsebool -P allow_execmod 1 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk1ericACgkQrlYvE4MpobM24gCgmoqm2TWL03ICHO1HDYJdGjOM mcgAoKhJSGrsmX7kDTDa0JulwDYkVgrF =YA0N -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

Feb. 18, 2011

Google Earth

by Walt

Trying to get Google Earth to work. Starts and closes without working. Any ideas? Thanks! Walt >From SEalert: Raw Audit Messages type=AVC msg=audit(1297979188.74:143442): avc: denied { execmod } for pid=22634 comm="googleearth-bin" path="/opt/google-earth/libIGGfx.so" dev=dm-0 ino=683598 scontext=unconfined_u:unconfined_r:unconfined_t:s0 tcontext=unconfined_u:object_r:usr_t:s0 tclass=file type=SYSCALL msg=audit(1297979188.74:143442): arch=i386 syscall=mprotect success=no exit=EACCES a0=764b000 a1=36b000 a2=5 a3=bfe8c250 items=0 ppid=21605 pid=22634 auid=500 uid=0 gid=0 euid=0 suid=0 fsuid=0 egid=0 sgid=0 fsgid=0 tty=pts1 ses=618 comm=googleearth-bin exe=/opt/google-earth/googleearth-bin subj=unconfined_u:unconfined_r:unconfined_t:s0 key=(null) Hash: googleearth-bin,unconfined_t,usr_t,file,execmod audit2allow #============= unconfined_t ============== #!!!! This avc can be allowed using the boolean 'allow_execmod' allow unconfined_t usr_t:file execmod; audit2allow -R #============= unconfined_t ============== #!!!! This avc can be allowed using the boolean 'allow_execmod' allow unconfined_t usr_t:file execmod;

Feb. 18, 2011

Re: [Wlug] KO

by Adam Gomes

I still have such a fondness for VMS, that I still own a VAXstation 3100 and occasionally pony up for the DECUS license for OpenVMS .... :) On Sun, Feb 13, 2011 at 10:24 PM, John Stoffel <john(a)stoffel.org> wrote: > > Vaxes were clustered years ago. You could reboot each member of a > cluster without impacting applications running on the cluster if you > were careful. And swap out hardware, etc. Very cool stuff. I > started on DEC-20 at WPI years ago, and missed the VMS side of things > when WPI got the Encore Multimax instead of a VMS cluster. > > John > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

Feb. 14, 2011

Re: [Wlug] KO

by John Stoffel

Vaxes were clustered years ago. You could reboot each member of a cluster without impacting applications running on the cluster if you were careful. And swap out hardware, etc. Very cool stuff. I started on DEC-20 at WPI years ago, and missed the VMS side of things when WPI got the Encore Multimax instead of a VMS cluster. John

Feb. 14, 2011

Remembering KO

by Ken Jones

I shall reveal my age. I was a working AN/FSQ7 programmer in Group 67 at Lincoln Labs when KO took off on his crazy venture to that mill in Maynard. I did not know Ken at the time as he was in Group 64 if my memory serves me correctly. DEC's first products were 'logic boards'. Those were the days of 'wire wrap' breadboarding. Ken's cards built with itty bitty new fangled transistor things slipped securely into a standard wire wrap board. I do not remember any specific cards, but I know they consisted of multiple individual NAND and NOR gates and probably a couple of FLIP FLOPs. >From that came the PDP-1 which I never saw. My memory focuses on the PDP-8 which was popular - so to speak. To put this in perspective the US had just deployed the SAGE air defense computers all around the country to detect and intercept Russian atomic bomb carrying jet airplanes. The SAGE computers used water cooled vacuum tube technology. I suggest, if you can find a library (remember them?), that is open check out "DEC is Dead, Long LIve DEC" The Lasting Legacy of Digital Equipment Corporation by Edgar Schein. (Is it available on NOOK?). My read of that book was that DEC was fine and healthy so long as it's engineers were producing products the customers did not know they needed, ie DEC was never consumer driven. (This is part of why KO was so beloved.) I was a TCP/IP aware person when I went to work for DEC in 1985. Inside those DEC walls DECnet was not only everything, it was the only thing. Ken Jones

Feb. 13, 2011

Re: [Wlug] KO

by Gary Hanley

Clustered computing. On 2/12/2011 8:23 PM, jerry baillie wrote: > Like Cloud computing.............. > > On Sat, Feb 12, 2011 at 9:56 AM, kevin.paetzold > <kevin.paetzold(a)gmail.com <mailto:kevin.paetzold@gmail.com>> wrote: > > Since we are reminiscing about DEC and KO.... > > I started at DEC in 1978 working on the DECSYSTEM20. My first manager > was one of the first 100 DEC employees and even though I was initially > working as a contractor for DEC (on an air force base) in Rome NY we > made a trip to Maynard where he introduced me to the mill and to Ken > Olsen. It was a fascinating time as I worked at the place which > essentially funded the ARPANET and TCP/IP. I went to work in DEC > engineering in Marlboro in 1981. Eventually I ended up at Stratus > where > among other things I now manage the Linux group (I never worked on VMS > although I did do some stuff with the Ultrix group). It still > amazes me > (and many others) that DEC went away. I often tell my engineers that > when I see some computer or software technology that DEC did not > have I > will let them know (there is some but not much that DEC did not have > first and for which very little credit is given). > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org <mailto:Wlug@mail.wlug.org> > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Feb. 13, 2011

Re: [Wlug] KO

by jerry baillie

Like Cloud computing.............. [?] On Sat, Feb 12, 2011 at 9:56 AM, kevin.paetzold <kevin.paetzold(a)gmail.com>wrote: > Since we are reminiscing about DEC and KO.... > > I started at DEC in 1978 working on the DECSYSTEM20. My first manager > was one of the first 100 DEC employees and even though I was initially > working as a contractor for DEC (on an air force base) in Rome NY we > made a trip to Maynard where he introduced me to the mill and to Ken > Olsen. It was a fascinating time as I worked at the place which > essentially funded the ARPANET and TCP/IP. I went to work in DEC > engineering in Marlboro in 1981. Eventually I ended up at Stratus where > among other things I now manage the Linux group (I never worked on VMS > although I did do some stuff with the Ultrix group). It still amazes me > (and many others) that DEC went away. I often tell my engineers that > when I see some computer or software technology that DEC did not have I > will let them know (there is some but not much that DEC did not have > first and for which very little credit is given). > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

Feb. 13, 2011

KO

by kevin.paetzold

Since we are reminiscing about DEC and KO.... I started at DEC in 1978 working on the DECSYSTEM20. My first manager was one of the first 100 DEC employees and even though I was initially working as a contractor for DEC (on an air force base) in Rome NY we made a trip to Maynard where he introduced me to the mill and to Ken Olsen. It was a fascinating time as I worked at the place which essentially funded the ARPANET and TCP/IP. I went to work in DEC engineering in Marlboro in 1981. Eventually I ended up at Stratus where among other things I now manage the Linux group (I never worked on VMS although I did do some stuff with the Ultrix group). It still amazes me (and many others) that DEC went away. I often tell my engineers that when I see some computer or software technology that DEC did not have I will let them know (there is some but not much that DEC did not have first and for which very little credit is given).

Feb. 12, 2011

Re: [Wlug] Off topic: good iPod Touch 4th Gen repairers?

by John Stoffel

Adam> For the "official" recommendation, call the Apple Store in Adam> Natick. They have a vendor they send people to for Adam> out-of-warranty repairs. If I recall correctly, it's a large Adam> outfit in the midwest. Thanks Adam. I'll give that a try.

Feb. 10, 2011

Re: [Wlug] Wlug Digest, Vol 88, Issue 10

by jerry baillie

It was an automotive junk yard on Rt 12 that had all the savage DEC parts. They eventually got caught reselling the parts and was penalize somehow.... 26 years at DEC. Looked forward to every day there when it was under K.O. Things changed with Cut-N-Slash Palmer took the reins...... On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 12:37 PM, David Hardy <belovedbold357(a)gmail.com>wrote: > I met KO once in Maynard at the Old Mill and got to see his original > orange-crate desk that he shared with Gordon Bell. Nice guy and > down-to-earth. > > First fulltime techie gig I had was at Simplex Time Recorder, Gardner, MA, > operator for DEC PDP-11 running RSX CAD/CAM stuff, and a MicroVax running > VMS 3.5 for the software engineers. 1986. Previously, as an assistant > bookstore manager at Clark U., I'd been in charge of selling the DEC Rainbow > PCs as part of the University's program for students, faculty and staff. > 1984-85. > > Last time I worked on DEC stuff was the VAX/VMS 7000 and the Alpha OpenVMS > boxen running 7.1 at an outfit in downtown Woostuh. 2006-07. > > From what I've heard inside the old DEC social circles is that a lot of the > VMS engineering that didn't migrate to HP went to India, and that many of > the old VMS guys have long since moved on to...drum roll....Linux. > > In other old DEC scuttlebutt, there was supposed to be an open field > somewhere off Route 12 in Leominster that contained all kinds of hw > dumped/stored there by whatever DEC facility back in the day. During my own > time at DEC in 87-89 one of our operators told us he'd gotten all kinds of > stuff from there and was now storing it in his front yard in Sterling. > > Regards from the shores of Lake Champlain in winter, > > Dave Hardy > > >> 2. nice remembrances: Ken Olsen, DEC, ..... (Doug Mildram) >> >> Message: 2 >> Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2011 12:35:39 -0500 >> From: Doug Mildram <dmildram(a)gmail.com> >> Subject: [Wlug] nice remembrances: Ken Olsen, DEC, ..... >> To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >> Message-ID: >> <AANLkTinCQXAHYjbuzRC+7YH9wZvVAoeokGCZoRiMDre3(a)mail.gmail.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >> >> A nice article from Jon Hall is on top of the blog >> >> >> http://www.linuxpromagazine.com/Online/Blogs/Paw-Prints-Writings-of-the-mad… >> >> along with many other replies about PDP-* systems, VMS, etc. >> >> My first HIGHtech job (1985) was hanging tapes and keeping dumb terminals >> alive and connected to four >> VAX 750/780's running (not VMS but) BSD4 unix (before NFS, before NIS) >> for a robotics shop in Billerica called Automatix. csh% a.out >> hello, world ! >> -------------- next part -------------- >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> URL: >> http://mail.wlug.org/pipermail/wlug/attachments/20110209/aeb596ff/attachmen… >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wlug mailing list >> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >> >> >> End of Wlug Digest, Vol 88, Issue 10 >> ************************************ >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > >

Feb. 10, 2011

Re: [Wlug] Off topic: good iPod Touch 4th Gen repairers?

by David P. Connell

You can start with ifixit.com. It took me a couple of tries (and a couple of trahed ipod's) before I got it right with one of the models. The different versions have differing levels of difficulty. One of them is a definite trick because of a very thin piece of circuit board with screw in the middle and the earphone plug on it. I've done a couple of replacements, but you need a steady hand. They may also do replacements and provide parts - I can't remember. Hope this helps at least a little. DaveC -- David P. Connell "Watch where you're going; remember where you've been."

Feb. 10, 2011

Re: [Wlug] Off topic: good iPod Touch 4th Gen repairers?

by Adam Keck

For the "official" recommendation, call the Apple Store in Natick. They have a vendor they send people to for out-of-warranty repairs. If I recall correctly, it's a large outfit in the midwest. -Adam On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 12:45 PM, John Stoffel <john(a)stoffel.org> wrote: > > Guys, > > Got a 4th gen iPod Touch with a busted glass cover. Anyone know of a > reliable and cost effective place to do the repair? > > Thanks, > John > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

Feb. 10, 2011

Off topic: good iPod Touch 4th Gen repairers?

by John Stoffel

Guys, Got a 4th gen iPod Touch with a busted glass cover. Anyone know of a reliable and cost effective place to do the repair? Thanks, John --

Feb. 10, 2011

Re: [Wlug] Wlug Digest, Vol 88, Issue 10

by David Hardy

I met KO once in Maynard at the Old Mill and got to see his original orange-crate desk that he shared with Gordon Bell. Nice guy and down-to-earth. First fulltime techie gig I had was at Simplex Time Recorder, Gardner, MA, operator for DEC PDP-11 running RSX CAD/CAM stuff, and a MicroVax running VMS 3.5 for the software engineers. 1986. Previously, as an assistant bookstore manager at Clark U., I'd been in charge of selling the DEC Rainbow PCs as part of the University's program for students, faculty and staff. 1984-85. Last time I worked on DEC stuff was the VAX/VMS 7000 and the Alpha OpenVMS boxen running 7.1 at an outfit in downtown Woostuh. 2006-07. >From what I've heard inside the old DEC social circles is that a lot of the VMS engineering that didn't migrate to HP went to India, and that many of the old VMS guys have long since moved on to...drum roll....Linux. In other old DEC scuttlebutt, there was supposed to be an open field somewhere off Route 12 in Leominster that contained all kinds of hw dumped/stored there by whatever DEC facility back in the day. During my own time at DEC in 87-89 one of our operators told us he'd gotten all kinds of stuff from there and was now storing it in his front yard in Sterling. Regards from the shores of Lake Champlain in winter, Dave Hardy > 2. nice remembrances: Ken Olsen, DEC, ..... (Doug Mildram) > > Message: 2 > Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2011 12:35:39 -0500 > From: Doug Mildram <dmildram(a)gmail.com> > Subject: [Wlug] nice remembrances: Ken Olsen, DEC, ..... > To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > Message-ID: > <AANLkTinCQXAHYjbuzRC+7YH9wZvVAoeokGCZoRiMDre3(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > A nice article from Jon Hall is on top of the blog > > > http://www.linuxpromagazine.com/Online/Blogs/Paw-Prints-Writings-of-the-mad… > > along with many other replies about PDP-* systems, VMS, etc. > > My first HIGHtech job (1985) was hanging tapes and keeping dumb terminals > alive and connected to four > VAX 750/780's running (not VMS but) BSD4 unix (before NFS, before NIS) > for a robotics shop in Billerica called Automatix. csh% a.out > hello, world ! > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://mail.wlug.org/pipermail/wlug/attachments/20110209/aeb596ff/attachmen… > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > End of Wlug Digest, Vol 88, Issue 10 > ************************************ >

Feb. 10, 2011

nice remembrances: Ken Olsen, DEC, .....

by Doug Mildram

A nice article from Jon Hall is on top of the blog http://www.linuxpromagazine.com/Online/Blogs/Paw-Prints-Writings-of-the-mad… along with many other replies about PDP-* systems, VMS, etc. My first HIGHtech job (1985) was hanging tapes and keeping dumb terminals alive and connected to four VAX 750/780's running (not VMS but) BSD4 unix (before NFS, before NIS) for a robotics shop in Billerica called Automatix. csh% a.out hello, world !

Feb. 9, 2011

WLUG meeting tonight, 7pm

by Chuck Anderson

Hi folks, Our next WLUG meeting is tonight at 7:00 PM at the WPI campus in Worcester, MA USA. The meeting room is in WPI's Morgan Hall (building 'H' on the campus map [1]), down the hallway to the right of the dining hall entrance. [1] http://www.wpi.edu/Images/CMS/WPI/walkingmap.pdf Chuck President, Worcester Linux Users' Group

Feb. 9, 2011

Jon "Maddog" Hall speaking at Northeast GNU/Linux fest, Worcester

by Chuck Anderson

Northeast GNU/Linux Fest Details Date: Saturday, April 2, 2011 Time: 10:30 a.m. - 3:00 p.m. Location: Worcester State University Student Center 486 Chandler St. Worcester MA 01602 ----- Forwarded message from Jonathan Nadeau <northeastlinux(a)gmail.com> ----- From: Jonathan Nadeau <northeastlinux(a)gmail.com> To: cra(a)WPI.EDU Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2011 09:15:08 -0500 Subject: Northeast GNU/Linux fest Greetings, My name is Jonathan Nadeau and I'm coordinator of the Northeast GNU/Linux fest (http://www.northeastlinuxfest.org) which will be held in Worcester, MA on April 2, 2011. I was given your contact info by Jon Maddog Hall (who will be speaking at the event), and I'm writing to you to see if you would be willing to attend, and if you would please announce this to the people in your group. Thanks for your time and help. Jonathan ----- End forwarded message -----

Feb. 8, 2011

Linux User Group Survey

by Dafydd Crosby

Hello, I've made a survey for Linux User Group members across North America. I would like to get the pulse of different groups and see what's working so that all LUG's can improve the experience. This data will be published on http://clug.ca (the Calgary Linux User Group website) on August, 2011. The survey is only 12 questions, and shouldn't take more than 5 minutes to complete. http://www.lonesomecosmonaut.com/limesurvey/index.php?sid=94921&newtest=Y&l… Thank you for your participation! -Dafydd President of Calgary Linux User Group

Feb. 7, 2011

Computer Recycling - Wlug Digest, Vol 88, Issue 6

by Steven Greenberg

Just before moving from the Portland, Oregon area back to Massachusetts, I did have the proverbial closet of old computer equipment. Portland had a place that you could bring this equipment to for recycling. They charged a small fee to take the equipment off your hands with the commitment that they would refurbish it or otherwise recycle it. Of course Portland had such a strong green ethos that a business like this could flourish there. I figured I did my part for the environment and saved the cost of moving the dead weight across country and storing it in a closet here. /Steve On 2/5/2011 12:00 PM, wlug-request(a)mail.wlug.org wrote: > Send Wlug mailing list submissions to > wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > wlug-request(a)mail.wlug.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > wlug-owner(a)mail.wlug.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Wlug digest..." > > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Business idea (joel d) > 2. Re: Business idea (soup) > > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug -- Steven Greenberg Email: steve(a)ssgreenberg.name 251 Holland Rd. Phone: (774)241-0095 Fiskdale, Massachusetts 01518-1231 Web: http://www.ssgreenberg.name Other Email: s.greenberg(a)ieee.org ssg(a)alum.mit.edu

Feb. 5, 2011

Re: [Wlug] Business idea

by soup

It's tough enough to keep a regular shop open these days, Joel is right. Nevermind refurbs, brand new laptops are out there for $300. It doesn't matter if they're trash, they'll replace them in a year anyway. I have regular service work from businesses and professional users but I've been seeing less of everyday users and more declines of service from them after quotes. Even on high end machines. I wish you luck but if you get something like this rolling I'd wager you'd be seeing both a lot of returns and complaints when they can't install limewire. Purposed niche is definitely the way to go. If you could get reasonably priced turnkey DAWs and get the word out, I bet you'd have a market with people sick of paying their pt/cubase/logic taxes. Take care, soup

Feb. 5, 2011

Re: [Wlug] Business idea

by joel d

On 2/3/2011 11:30 AM, Keith Wright wrote: >> From: Jason Couture<plaguethenet(a)gmail.com> >> >> I was considering reviving my PC business by selling >> computers with linux preinstalled. Does anyone have >> any distro suggestions aside from Ubuntu and mint? Do >> any of you know anyone who may be interested? > Well, good luck with that (sincerely). > > I had that idea about twelve years ago. > > http://www.free-comp-shop.com/ > > As it worked out, I was fronting thousands > of dollars for parts and working for a day > to put it all together for a profit of a > few dollars. You can't ask much money for > doing a simple thing that the people smart > and knowledgable enough to want can do for > themselves. > > I decided to give it up when one company > that bought about $3000 worth of computer > decided to return it. That was my main > computer for several years, but if I had > designed it myself I would have built > something a bit cheaper. I sure didn't > need another one. > > -- Keith > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > I have also been trying out the numbers on such a venture and have come to the same conclusion (as Keith). If you can come up with a special niche market, like a car/boat/RV computer or a DVR/HDTV computer for a particular market that has some kind of Television access problem, then you may find a way to profit. It is very hard to go up against the low-end and sale machines at the stores. If you are a great seller, you may be able to talk your way into some customers. In Florida, there are a couple of small companies doing neighborhood wifi internet access for a great price, but even they depend more on the internet charges and the computer service calls than on system sales. Service and training seems like the most profitable part of the picture to me. Still, I hope you find a way to do this. I hope I don't sound too negative. I'm just a regular guy without any strict training or a business degree, so I'm certainly not the last word on the subject. DaveC -- David P. Connell "Watch where you're going; remember where you've been." Hey, Sorry for not chiming in sooner. I remember while working on my MBA trying to work out how to run a small for profit local PC and support business aimed at home consumers and an occasional small business. The short answer at the time was the advent of the "shiny new $450 PC" made computers toaster-ish (breaks - put in basement/closet - buy another). In the ensuing decade plus since I have confirmed two things IMHO: 1) The price of entry level PCs are going even lower. I haven't looked but I bet there are refurbs out there for $200-ish. This fact makes it harder for a consumer to pay even $25 for someone to work on their (likely 2 to 6 years old on average) PC whether in a shop or in the home. The business person's reasoning is "good money after bad". Not sure why home consumers do this, but they do. 2) Most non-IT geeks have a small closet/basement pile of PCs somewhere in their house if they haven't moved within the decade. Moving of course drives people into momentary sanity with "Why am I keeping / saving / moving all this useless junk?" Geeks of course re-use them as personal firewalls / coffee warmers / Myth boxes / ways to communicate with aliens / ... App won't install... Printer cable won't connect... Adware and viruses got you slugging along... Bad device driver killing your uptime... Your 18 long hair cats packing the case with a fur effigy with expected heat & reboot issues... Consumers answer to all is: "Buy a new PC!" Ask around to non-geek friends/co-workers. You will be amazed. A family friend is on their 4th brand new computer in 3 years. I assure you the scope of work has not changed (web browsing, e-mail, facebook, etc). I am now wondering how do you get these closet PCs for cheap/free then image them to get them useful again. Obvious start is to get referrals from moving companies that quote household moves, then call offering to remove their unused PC's for free. Somewhere there must be a support group for home consumers who have their own Dell rep on speed dial. I am not bashing Dell here, merely using their name in the examples to make a point, Joel

Feb. 4, 2011

Re: [Wlug] Business idea

by Jason Couture

Dave would you email me directly if you have a moment? On Feb 3, 2011 4:23 PM, "David P. Connell" <davec99(a)charter.net> wrote: On 2/3/2011 11:30 AM, Keith Wright wrote: >> From: Jason Couture<plaguethenet(a)gmail.com> >> >> I was... I have also been trying out the numbers on such a venture and have come to the same conclusion (as Keith). If you can come up with a special niche market, like a car/boat/RV computer or a DVR/HDTV computer for a particular market that has some kind of Television access problem, then you may find a way to profit. It is very hard to go up against the low-end and sale machines at the stores. If you are a great seller, you may be able to talk your way into some customers. In Florida, there are a couple of small companies doing neighborhood wifi internet access for a great price, but even they depend more on the internet charges and the computer service calls than on system sales. Service and training seems like the most profitable part of the picture to me. Still, I hope you find a way to do this. I hope I don't sound too negative. I'm just a regular guy without any strict training or a business degree, so I'm certainly not the last word on the subject. DaveC -- David P. Connell "Watch where you're going; remember where you've been." _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wl...

Feb. 3, 2011

Re: [Wlug] Business idea

by Jason Couture

I appreciate the feedback, I tend to get lost in an idea, and don't always see all sides of it. The niche market sounds like a good idea though. I'll start prototyping a distro and see what I can do. On Feb 3, 2011 4:23 PM, "David P. Connell" <davec99(a)charter.net> wrote: On 2/3/2011 11:30 AM, Keith Wright wrote: >> From: Jason Couture<plaguethenet(a)gmail.com> >> >> I was... I have also been trying out the numbers on such a venture and have come to the same conclusion (as Keith). If you can come up with a special niche market, like a car/boat/RV computer or a DVR/HDTV computer for a particular market that has some kind of Television access problem, then you may find a way to profit. It is very hard to go up against the low-end and sale machines at the stores. If you are a great seller, you may be able to talk your way into some customers. In Florida, there are a couple of small companies doing neighborhood wifi internet access for a great price, but even they depend more on the internet charges and the computer service calls than on system sales. Service and training seems like the most profitable part of the picture to me. Still, I hope you find a way to do this. I hope I don't sound too negative. I'm just a regular guy without any strict training or a business degree, so I'm certainly not the last word on the subject. DaveC -- David P. Connell "Watch where you're going; remember where you've been." _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wl...

Feb. 3, 2011

Re: [Wlug] Business idea

by David P. Connell

On 2/3/2011 11:30 AM, Keith Wright wrote: >> From: Jason Couture<plaguethenet(a)gmail.com> >> >> I was considering reviving my PC business by selling >> computers with linux preinstalled. Does anyone have >> any distro suggestions aside from Ubuntu and mint? Do >> any of you know anyone who may be interested? > Well, good luck with that (sincerely). > > I had that idea about twelve years ago. > > http://www.free-comp-shop.com/ > > As it worked out, I was fronting thousands > of dollars for parts and working for a day > to put it all together for a profit of a > few dollars. You can't ask much money for > doing a simple thing that the people smart > and knowledgable enough to want can do for > themselves. > > I decided to give it up when one company > that bought about $3000 worth of computer > decided to return it. That was my main > computer for several years, but if I had > designed it myself I would have built > something a bit cheaper. I sure didn't > need another one. > > -- Keith > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > I have also been trying out the numbers on such a venture and have come to the same conclusion (as Keith). If you can come up with a special niche market, like a car/boat/RV computer or a DVR/HDTV computer for a particular market that has some kind of Television access problem, then you may find a way to profit. It is very hard to go up against the low-end and sale machines at the stores. If you are a great seller, you may be able to talk your way into some customers. In Florida, there are a couple of small companies doing neighborhood wifi internet access for a great price, but even they depend more on the internet charges and the computer service calls than on system sales. Service and training seems like the most profitable part of the picture to me. Still, I hope you find a way to do this. I hope I don't sound too negative. I'm just a regular guy without any strict training or a business degree, so I'm certainly not the last word on the subject. DaveC -- David P. Connell "Watch where you're going; remember where you've been."

Feb. 3, 2011

Re: [Wlug] Business idea

by Keith Wright

> From: Jason Couture <plaguethenet(a)gmail.com> > > I was considering reviving my PC business by selling > computers with linux preinstalled. Does anyone have > any distro suggestions aside from Ubuntu and mint? Do > any of you know anyone who may be interested? Well, good luck with that (sincerely). I had that idea about twelve years ago. http://www.free-comp-shop.com/ As it worked out, I was fronting thousands of dollars for parts and working for a day to put it all together for a profit of a few dollars. You can't ask much money for doing a simple thing that the people smart and knowledgable enough to want can do for themselves. I decided to give it up when one company that bought about $3000 worth of computer decided to return it. That was my main computer for several years, but if I had designed it myself I would have built something a bit cheaper. I sure didn't need another one. -- Keith

Feb. 3, 2011

Re: [Wlug] Kernel Crash dump

by Jorden M

Andy, The mcelog program will decode that Machine Check Exception for you and tell you what's going on. As others mentioned, could be heat sink, dust, or RAM. It also could be a strained power supply unit or poor connections. Good luck! ~j On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 9:38 PM, Andy Stewart <andystewart(a)comcast.net> wrote: > > HI guys, > > I finally got some type of crash dump from my system. I have tried > Ubuntu variations of the 2.6.35, 2.6.36, and 2.6.37 kernels, all of > which have crashed on me. > > Finally, 2.6.37 gave me a trace on the console screen. I had to copy it > down by hand, so don't take it too literally. > > Here is the data. I intentionally left out all of the hex addresses in > the call trace. It seems pretty obvious to me that something is amiss > in the hardware. I wonder if my heat syncs are full of dust. That will > be the first thing I check. > > Any helpful advice would be most appreciated. > > Thanks! > > Andy > > ======= > > Hardware error CPU0 Machine Check Exception: 4 Bank 4 2f00001000010c0f > TSC 1ae6ab55d12 > Processor 2 f5a time 1296699696 socket 0 apic 0 > mc4_status uncorrected error, other errors lost: yes cpu context > corrupt: yes > Northbridge error, node 0, crc error detected on HT link > Transaction GEN (GEN), no timeout, Cache level L3/Gen, Participating > processor:OBS > Machine check: processor context corrupt > Kernel Panic - not syncing: Fatal Machine check on current CPU > Pid 0, comm: swapper Tainted: G M 2.6.37-020637-generic > Call Trace: > #MC > panic > printk > mce_panic > do_machine_check > machine_check > native_safe_halt > > EOE > default_idle > cpu_idle > rest_init > start_kernel > early_idt_handler > x86_64_start_reservations > x86_64_start_kernel > > panic occurred, switching back to text console > > ======= > > -- > Andy Stewart (KB1OIQ) > Founder: Worcester Linux Users' Group > Founder: Chelmsford Linux Meetup Group > President: PART of Westford, MA (WB1GOF) > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

Feb. 3, 2011

Business idea

by Jason Couture

I was considering reviving my PC business by selling computers with linux preinstalled. Does anyone have any distro suggestions aside from Ubuntu and mint? Do any of you know anyone who may be interested?

Feb. 3, 2011

Re: [Wlug] Kernel Crash dump

by Jason Couture

Try leaving the mem test running for a while, see if it will do it with that running. Could have just been the dust too lol. On Feb 2, 2011 11:14 PM, "Andy Stewart" <andystewart(a)comcast.net> wrote: On 02/02/2011 10:25 PM, Jason Couture wrote: > I'd run memtest86 plus, the memory controller can cau... Well, I cleaned out a bunch of dust...maybe a heat problem caused some weirdness. I'm also running memtester on the live system...so far, so good. The machine is about 5 yrs old - maybe this is my excuse to build myself another one. The crash is weird, sometimes it crashes within a couple of minutes of booting the system, and other times, it takes a week. I still claim that it started happening when I upgraded from SuSE 10.1 to Kubuntu 10.10, but I did open the case and install a new SATA hard drive at that time as well. This machine was an absolute rock when running SuSE 10.1. We'll see what happens...thanks, everybody, for the helpful suggestions. Later, Andy -- Andy Stewart (KB1OIQ) Founder: Worcester Linux Users' Group Founder: Chelmsford Linux Meetu... Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Feb. 3, 2011

Re: [Wlug] Kernel Crash dump

by Andy Stewart

On 02/02/2011 10:25 PM, Jason Couture wrote: > I'd run memtest86 plus, the memory controller can cause those of you > have a bad module. Try swapping out the ram before. Blaming the CPU or > motherboard. I had a similar panic a long time ago, turned out 1 of my > memory modules was bad. Definately a hardware issue though. Well, I cleaned out a bunch of dust...maybe a heat problem caused some weirdness. I'm also running memtester on the live system...so far, so good. The machine is about 5 yrs old - maybe this is my excuse to build myself another one. The crash is weird, sometimes it crashes within a couple of minutes of booting the system, and other times, it takes a week. I still claim that it started happening when I upgraded from SuSE 10.1 to Kubuntu 10.10, but I did open the case and install a new SATA hard drive at that time as well. This machine was an absolute rock when running SuSE 10.1. We'll see what happens...thanks, everybody, for the helpful suggestions. Later, Andy -- Andy Stewart (KB1OIQ) Founder: Worcester Linux Users' Group Founder: Chelmsford Linux Meetup Group President: PART of Westford, MA (WB1GOF)

Feb. 3, 2011

Re: [Wlug] Kernel Crash dump

by Jason Couture

I'd run memtest86 plus, the memory controller can cause those of you have a bad module. Try swapping out the ram before. Blaming the CPU or motherboard. I had a similar panic a long time ago, turned out 1 of my memory modules was bad. Definately a hardware issue though. On Feb 2, 2011 9:49 PM, "Robert Krawitz" <rlk(a)alum.mit.edu> wrote: On Wed, 02 Feb 2011 21:38:42 -0500, Andy Stewart wrote: > > HI guys, > > I finally got some type of ... Well, that about says it: a CRC error on the HyperTransport link. That sure sounds like a hardware glitch. You can certainly try cleaning out the heat sinks and fans, but if that doesn't work, it may be time for a new CPU and/or mobo. _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlu...

Feb. 3, 2011

Re: [Wlug] Kernel Crash dump

by Robert Krawitz

On Wed, 02 Feb 2011 21:38:42 -0500, Andy Stewart wrote: > > HI guys, > > I finally got some type of crash dump from my system. I have tried > Ubuntu variations of the 2.6.35, 2.6.36, and 2.6.37 kernels, all of > which have crashed on me. > > Finally, 2.6.37 gave me a trace on the console screen. I had to > copy it down by hand, so don't take it too literally. > > Here is the data. I intentionally left out all of the hex addresses > in the call trace. It seems pretty obvious to me that something is > amiss in the hardware. I wonder if my heat syncs are full of dust. > That will be the first thing I check. > > Any helpful advice would be most appreciated. > > Thanks! > > Andy > > === > Hardware error CPU0 Machine Check Exception: 4 Bank 4 2f00001000010c0f > TSC 1ae6ab55d12 > Processor 2 f5a time 1296699696 socket 0 apic 0 > mc4_status uncorrected error, other errors lost: yes cpu context corrupt: yes > Northbridge error, node 0, crc error detected on HT link Well, that about says it: a CRC error on the HyperTransport link. That sure sounds like a hardware glitch. You can certainly try cleaning out the heat sinks and fans, but if that doesn't work, it may be time for a new CPU and/or mobo.

Feb. 3, 2011

Kernel Crash dump

by Andy Stewart

HI guys, I finally got some type of crash dump from my system. I have tried Ubuntu variations of the 2.6.35, 2.6.36, and 2.6.37 kernels, all of which have crashed on me. Finally, 2.6.37 gave me a trace on the console screen. I had to copy it down by hand, so don't take it too literally. Here is the data. I intentionally left out all of the hex addresses in the call trace. It seems pretty obvious to me that something is amiss in the hardware. I wonder if my heat syncs are full of dust. That will be the first thing I check. Any helpful advice would be most appreciated. Thanks! Andy ======= Hardware error CPU0 Machine Check Exception: 4 Bank 4 2f00001000010c0f TSC 1ae6ab55d12 Processor 2 f5a time 1296699696 socket 0 apic 0 mc4_status uncorrected error, other errors lost: yes cpu context corrupt: yes Northbridge error, node 0, crc error detected on HT link Transaction GEN (GEN), no timeout, Cache level L3/Gen, Participating processor:OBS Machine check: processor context corrupt Kernel Panic - not syncing: Fatal Machine check on current CPU Pid 0, comm: swapper Tainted: G M 2.6.37-020637-generic Call Trace: #MC panic printk mce_panic do_machine_check machine_check native_safe_halt EOE default_idle cpu_idle rest_init start_kernel early_idt_handler x86_64_start_reservations x86_64_start_kernel panic occurred, switching back to text console ======= -- Andy Stewart (KB1OIQ) Founder: Worcester Linux Users' Group Founder: Chelmsford Linux Meetup Group President: PART of Westford, MA (WB1GOF)

Feb. 3, 2011

Re: [Wlug] Wlug Digest, Vol 88, Issue 2

by Caobin zhu

Hi, eric, i am interested in your #2 item, the SCSI pc. i am living in worcester, how can i go forwared to get it if it is still available. Thanks. caobin > From: wlug-request(a)mail.wlug.org > Subject: Wlug Digest, Vol 88, Issue 2 > To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2011 14:39:34 -0500 > > Send Wlug mailing list submissions to > wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > wlug-request(a)mail.wlug.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > wlug-owner(a)mail.wlug.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Wlug digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Winter cleaning (Eric Martin) > 2. Re: Winter cleaning (Eric Martin) > 3. Re: Winter cleaning (Eric Martin) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2011 14:38:33 -0500 > From: Eric Martin <eric.joshua.martin(a)gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [Wlug] Winter cleaning > To: Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> > Message-ID: > <AANLkTimwvJM6LpGR_0fTxsjxpX5P2v8cXSUYTd1_XE3F(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Will do. > > On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 2:21 PM, Henrique <nican(a)wpi.edu> wrote: > > > Hello Eric, > > > > I have interest in the OpenGL book. Could you bring it to the next Wlug > > meeting? > > > > Henrique Polido. > > > > On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 1:35 PM, Eric Martin <eric.joshua.martin(a)gmail.com>wrote: > > > >> I'm doing some cleaning and I have a few books / computers up for grabs. > >> It's all free, please take it if you can use it. > >> > >> Computers: > >> > >> Mis-mosh of stuff, mainly > >> > >> > >> 1. 2 CRTs (working) > >> 2. Dual Pentium Pro 200MHz w/built-in SCSI and a DDS2 or DDS3 Drive > >> 3. HP Proliant 1U server, questionably working but I think it's a fan > >> / power supply > >> 4. Intel C440 Chassis with Cabriol MB and Older Xeon processors > >> 5. 2 old cases with working 300W power supplies, need MB > >> 6. More to come > >> > >> Books: > >> Interactive Computer Graphics > >> > >> http://www.amazon.com/Interactive-Computer-Graphics-Top-Down-Approach/dp/03… > >> > >> Fluency with Information Technology > >> > >> http://www.amazon.com/Fluency-Information-Technology-Concepts-Capabilities/… > >> > >> Amazon.com: Interactive Computer Graphics: A Top-Down Approach Using > >> OpenGL (4th Edition) (9780321321374): Edward Angel: Books<http://www.amazon.com/Interactive-Computer-Graphics-Top-Down-Approach/dp/03…> > >> > >> Amazon.com: Interactive Computer Graphics: A Top-Down Approach Using > >> OpenGL (4th Edition) (9780321321374): Edward Angel: Books > >> C Pocket Reference > >> > >> http://www.amazon.com/C-Pocket-Reference-Peter-Prinz/dp/0596004362/ref=sr_1… > >> -- > >> Eric Martin > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Wlug mailing list > >> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > >> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > >> > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wlug mailing list > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > > > > -- > Eric Martin > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: http://mail.wlug.org/pipermail/wlug/attachments/20110202/4cf94edd/attachmen… > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2011 14:39:10 -0500 > From: Eric Martin <eric.joshua.martin(a)gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [Wlug] Winter cleaning > To: Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> > Message-ID: > <AANLkTimMJsfDQTigL4F5G8a-1O_1N2odUET3onEO6fh2(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > I have a 300W 20PIN if you want, It's currently in a case and you're welcome > to both > > On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 2:32 PM, Jason Couture <plaguethenet(a)gmail.com>wrote: > > > I have a computer that needs a power supply, could you email me directly if > > you have a spare? > > > > Sent from my android wireless device. > > > > On Feb 2, 2011 1:37 PM, "Eric Martin" <eric.joshua.martin(a)gmail.com> > > wrote: > > > > I'm doing some cleaning and I have a few books / computers up for grabs. > > It's all free, please take it if you can use it. > > > > Computers: > > > > Mis-mosh of stuff, mainly > > > > > > 1. 2 CRTs (working) > > 2. Dual Pentium Pro 200MHz w/built-in SCSI and a DDS2 or DDS3 Drive > > 3. HP Proliant 1U server, questionably working but I think it's a fan / > > power supply > > 4. Intel C440 Chassis with Cabriol MB and Older Xeon processors > > 5. 2 old cases with working 300W power supplies, need MB > > 6. More to come > > > > Books: > > Interactive Computer Graphics > > > > http://www.amazon.com/Interactive-Computer-Graphics-Top-Down-Approach/dp/03… > > > > Fluency with Information Technology > > > > http://www.amazon.com/Fluency-Information-Technology-Concepts-Capabilities/… > > > > Amazon.com: Interactive Computer Graphics: A Top-Down Approach Using OpenGL > > (4th Edition) (9780321321374): Edward Angel: Books<http://www.amazon.com/Interactive-Computer-Graphics-Top-Down-Approach/dp/03…> > > > > Amazon.com: Interactive Computer Graphics: A Top-Down Approach Using OpenGL > > (4th Edition) (9780321321374): Edward Angel: Books > > C Pocket Reference > > > > http://www.amazon.com/C-Pocket-Reference-Peter-Prinz/dp/0596004362/ref=sr_1… > > -- > > Eric Martin > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wlug mailing list > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wlug mailing list > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > > > > -- > Eric Martin > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: http://mail.wlug.org/pipermail/wlug/attachments/20110202/24df222f/attachmen… > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2011 14:39:31 -0500 > From: Eric Martin <eric.joshua.martin(a)gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [Wlug] Winter cleaning > To: Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> > Message-ID: > <AANLkTi=OJ5QVYt=Bk4AqtHtv280pyVgFgiv_tSpwC+aQ(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Sorry, that went already > > On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 2:34 PM, Jason Couture <plaguethenet(a)gmail.com>wrote: > > > I could use the 1U too for my distcc compile farm, but only if no one else > > wants it. > > > > On Feb 2, 2011 1:37 PM, "Eric Martin" <eric.joshua.martin(a)gmail.com> > > wrote: > > > > I'm doing some cleaning and I have a few books / computers up for grabs. > > It's all free, please take it if you can use it. > > > > Computers: > > > > Mis-mosh of stuff, mainly > > > > > > 1. 2 CRTs (working) > > 2. Dual Pentium Pro 200MHz w/built-in SCSI and a DDS2 or DDS3 Drive > > 3. HP Proliant 1U server, questionably working but I think it's a fan / > > power supply > > 4. Intel C440 Chassis with Cabriol MB and Older Xeon processors > > 5. 2 old cases with working 300W power supplies, need MB > > 6. More to come > > > > Books: > > Interactive Computer Graphics > > > > http://www.amazon.com/Interactive-Computer-Graphics-Top-Down-Approach/dp/03… > > > > Fluency with Information Technology > > > > http://www.amazon.com/Fluency-Information-Technology-Concepts-Capabilities/… > > > > Amazon.com: Interactive Computer Graphics: A Top-Down Approach Using OpenGL > > (4th Edition) (9780321321374): Edward Angel: Books<http://www.amazon.com/Interactive-Computer-Graphics-Top-Down-Approach/dp/03…> > > > > Amazon.com: Interactive Computer Graphics: A Top-Down Approach Using OpenGL > > (4th Edition) (9780321321374): Edward Angel: Books > > C Pocket Reference > > > > http://www.amazon.com/C-Pocket-Reference-Peter-Prinz/dp/0596004362/ref=sr_1… > > -- > > Eric Martin > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wlug mailing list > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wlug mailing list > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > > > > -- > Eric Martin > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: http://mail.wlug.org/pipermail/wlug/attachments/20110202/cbc9979f/attachmen… > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > End of Wlug Digest, Vol 88, Issue 2 > ***********************************

Feb. 2, 2011

Re: [Wlug] Winter cleaning

by Jason Couture

I don't need the case, but I have storage space so I'll take it off your hands if no one else needs it. On Feb 2, 2011 2:40 PM, "Eric Martin" <eric.joshua.martin(a)gmail.com> wrote: Sorry, that went already On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 2:34 PM, Jason Couture <plaguethenet(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > I could use the ... -- Eric Martin _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Feb. 2, 2011

Re: [Wlug] Winter cleaning

by Eric Martin

Sorry, that went already On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 2:34 PM, Jason Couture <plaguethenet(a)gmail.com>wrote: > I could use the 1U too for my distcc compile farm, but only if no one else > wants it. > > On Feb 2, 2011 1:37 PM, "Eric Martin" <eric.joshua.martin(a)gmail.com> > wrote: > > I'm doing some cleaning and I have a few books / computers up for grabs. > It's all free, please take it if you can use it. > > Computers: > > Mis-mosh of stuff, mainly > > > 1. 2 CRTs (working) > 2. Dual Pentium Pro 200MHz w/built-in SCSI and a DDS2 or DDS3 Drive > 3. HP Proliant 1U server, questionably working but I think it's a fan / > power supply > 4. Intel C440 Chassis with Cabriol MB and Older Xeon processors > 5. 2 old cases with working 300W power supplies, need MB > 6. More to come > > Books: > Interactive Computer Graphics > > http://www.amazon.com/Interactive-Computer-Graphics-Top-Down-Approach/dp/03… > > Fluency with Information Technology > > http://www.amazon.com/Fluency-Information-Technology-Concepts-Capabilities/… > > Amazon.com: Interactive Computer Graphics: A Top-Down Approach Using OpenGL > (4th Edition) (9780321321374): Edward Angel: Books<http://www.amazon.com/Interactive-Computer-Graphics-Top-Down-Approach/dp/03…> > > Amazon.com: Interactive Computer Graphics: A Top-Down Approach Using OpenGL > (4th Edition) (9780321321374): Edward Angel: Books > C Pocket Reference > > http://www.amazon.com/C-Pocket-Reference-Peter-Prinz/dp/0596004362/ref=sr_1… > -- > Eric Martin > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > -- Eric Martin

Feb. 2, 2011

Re: [Wlug] Winter cleaning

by Eric Martin

I have a 300W 20PIN if you want, It's currently in a case and you're welcome to both On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 2:32 PM, Jason Couture <plaguethenet(a)gmail.com>wrote: > I have a computer that needs a power supply, could you email me directly if > you have a spare? > > Sent from my android wireless device. > > On Feb 2, 2011 1:37 PM, "Eric Martin" <eric.joshua.martin(a)gmail.com> > wrote: > > I'm doing some cleaning and I have a few books / computers up for grabs. > It's all free, please take it if you can use it. > > Computers: > > Mis-mosh of stuff, mainly > > > 1. 2 CRTs (working) > 2. Dual Pentium Pro 200MHz w/built-in SCSI and a DDS2 or DDS3 Drive > 3. HP Proliant 1U server, questionably working but I think it's a fan / > power supply > 4. Intel C440 Chassis with Cabriol MB and Older Xeon processors > 5. 2 old cases with working 300W power supplies, need MB > 6. More to come > > Books: > Interactive Computer Graphics > > http://www.amazon.com/Interactive-Computer-Graphics-Top-Down-Approach/dp/03… > > Fluency with Information Technology > > http://www.amazon.com/Fluency-Information-Technology-Concepts-Capabilities/… > > Amazon.com: Interactive Computer Graphics: A Top-Down Approach Using OpenGL > (4th Edition) (9780321321374): Edward Angel: Books<http://www.amazon.com/Interactive-Computer-Graphics-Top-Down-Approach/dp/03…> > > Amazon.com: Interactive Computer Graphics: A Top-Down Approach Using OpenGL > (4th Edition) (9780321321374): Edward Angel: Books > C Pocket Reference > > http://www.amazon.com/C-Pocket-Reference-Peter-Prinz/dp/0596004362/ref=sr_1… > -- > Eric Martin > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > -- Eric Martin

Feb. 2, 2011

Re: [Wlug] Winter cleaning

by Eric Martin

Will do. On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 2:21 PM, Henrique <nican(a)wpi.edu> wrote: > Hello Eric, > > I have interest in the OpenGL book. Could you bring it to the next Wlug > meeting? > > Henrique Polido. > > On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 1:35 PM, Eric Martin <eric.joshua.martin(a)gmail.com>wrote: > >> I'm doing some cleaning and I have a few books / computers up for grabs. >> It's all free, please take it if you can use it. >> >> Computers: >> >> Mis-mosh of stuff, mainly >> >> >> 1. 2 CRTs (working) >> 2. Dual Pentium Pro 200MHz w/built-in SCSI and a DDS2 or DDS3 Drive >> 3. HP Proliant 1U server, questionably working but I think it's a fan >> / power supply >> 4. Intel C440 Chassis with Cabriol MB and Older Xeon processors >> 5. 2 old cases with working 300W power supplies, need MB >> 6. More to come >> >> Books: >> Interactive Computer Graphics >> >> http://www.amazon.com/Interactive-Computer-Graphics-Top-Down-Approach/dp/03… >> >> Fluency with Information Technology >> >> http://www.amazon.com/Fluency-Information-Technology-Concepts-Capabilities/… >> >> Amazon.com: Interactive Computer Graphics: A Top-Down Approach Using >> OpenGL (4th Edition) (9780321321374): Edward Angel: Books<http://www.amazon.com/Interactive-Computer-Graphics-Top-Down-Approach/dp/03…> >> >> Amazon.com: Interactive Computer Graphics: A Top-Down Approach Using >> OpenGL (4th Edition) (9780321321374): Edward Angel: Books >> C Pocket Reference >> >> http://www.amazon.com/C-Pocket-Reference-Peter-Prinz/dp/0596004362/ref=sr_1… >> -- >> Eric Martin >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wlug mailing list >> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > -- Eric Martin

Feb. 2, 2011

Re: [Wlug] Winter cleaning

by Jason Couture

I could use the 1U too for my distcc compile farm, but only if no one else wants it. On Feb 2, 2011 1:37 PM, "Eric Martin" <eric.joshua.martin(a)gmail.com> wrote: I'm doing some cleaning and I have a few books / computers up for grabs. It's all free, please take it if you can use it. Computers: Mis-mosh of stuff, mainly 1. 2 CRTs (working) 2. Dual Pentium Pro 200MHz w/built-in SCSI and a DDS2 or DDS3 Drive 3. HP Proliant 1U server, questionably working but I think it's a fan / power supply 4. Intel C440 Chassis with Cabriol MB and Older Xeon processors 5. 2 old cases with working 300W power supplies, need MB 6. More to come Books: Interactive Computer Graphics http://www.amazon.com/Interactive-Computer-Graphics-Top-Down-Approach/dp/03… Fluency with Information Technology http://www.amazon.com/Fluency-Information-Technology-Concepts-Capabilities/… Amazon.com: Interactive Computer Graphics: A Top-Down Approach Using OpenGL (4th Edition) (9780321321374): Edward Angel: Books<http://www.amazon.com/Interactive-Computer-Graphics-Top-Down-Approach/dp/03…> Amazon.com: Interactive Computer Graphics: A Top-Down Approach Using OpenGL (4th Edition) (9780321321374): Edward Angel: Books C Pocket Reference http://www.amazon.com/C-Pocket-Reference-Peter-Prinz/dp/0596004362/ref=sr_1… -- Eric Martin _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Feb. 2, 2011

Re: [Wlug] Winter cleaning

by Jason Couture

I have a computer that needs a power supply, could you email me directly if you have a spare? Sent from my android wireless device. On Feb 2, 2011 1:37 PM, "Eric Martin" <eric.joshua.martin(a)gmail.com> wrote: I'm doing some cleaning and I have a few books / computers up for grabs. It's all free, please take it if you can use it. Computers: Mis-mosh of stuff, mainly 1. 2 CRTs (working) 2. Dual Pentium Pro 200MHz w/built-in SCSI and a DDS2 or DDS3 Drive 3. HP Proliant 1U server, questionably working but I think it's a fan / power supply 4. Intel C440 Chassis with Cabriol MB and Older Xeon processors 5. 2 old cases with working 300W power supplies, need MB 6. More to come Books: Interactive Computer Graphics http://www.amazon.com/Interactive-Computer-Graphics-Top-Down-Approach/dp/03… Fluency with Information Technology http://www.amazon.com/Fluency-Information-Technology-Concepts-Capabilities/… Amazon.com: Interactive Computer Graphics: A Top-Down Approach Using OpenGL (4th Edition) (9780321321374): Edward Angel: Books<http://www.amazon.com/Interactive-Computer-Graphics-Top-Down-Approach/dp/03…> Amazon.com: Interactive Computer Graphics: A Top-Down Approach Using OpenGL (4th Edition) (9780321321374): Edward Angel: Books C Pocket Reference http://www.amazon.com/C-Pocket-Reference-Peter-Prinz/dp/0596004362/ref=sr_1… -- Eric Martin _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Feb. 2, 2011

Re: [Wlug] Winter cleaning

by Henrique

Hello Eric, I have interest in the OpenGL book. Could you bring it to the next Wlug meeting? Henrique Polido. On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 1:35 PM, Eric Martin <eric.joshua.martin(a)gmail.com>wrote: > I'm doing some cleaning and I have a few books / computers up for grabs. > It's all free, please take it if you can use it. > > Computers: > > Mis-mosh of stuff, mainly > > > 1. 2 CRTs (working) > 2. Dual Pentium Pro 200MHz w/built-in SCSI and a DDS2 or DDS3 Drive > 3. HP Proliant 1U server, questionably working but I think it's a fan / > power supply > 4. Intel C440 Chassis with Cabriol MB and Older Xeon processors > 5. 2 old cases with working 300W power supplies, need MB > 6. More to come > > Books: > Interactive Computer Graphics > > http://www.amazon.com/Interactive-Computer-Graphics-Top-Down-Approach/dp/03… > > Fluency with Information Technology > > http://www.amazon.com/Fluency-Information-Technology-Concepts-Capabilities/… > > Amazon.com: Interactive Computer Graphics: A Top-Down Approach Using OpenGL > (4th Edition) (9780321321374): Edward Angel: Books<http://www.amazon.com/Interactive-Computer-Graphics-Top-Down-Approach/dp/03…> > > Amazon.com: Interactive Computer Graphics: A Top-Down Approach Using OpenGL > (4th Edition) (9780321321374): Edward Angel: Books > C Pocket Reference > > http://www.amazon.com/C-Pocket-Reference-Peter-Prinz/dp/0596004362/ref=sr_1… > -- > Eric Martin > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > >

Feb. 2, 2011

Winter cleaning

by Eric Martin

I'm doing some cleaning and I have a few books / computers up for grabs. It's all free, please take it if you can use it. Computers: Mis-mosh of stuff, mainly 1. 2 CRTs (working) 2. Dual Pentium Pro 200MHz w/built-in SCSI and a DDS2 or DDS3 Drive 3. HP Proliant 1U server, questionably working but I think it's a fan / power supply 4. Intel C440 Chassis with Cabriol MB and Older Xeon processors 5. 2 old cases with working 300W power supplies, need MB 6. More to come Books: Interactive Computer Graphics http://www.amazon.com/Interactive-Computer-Graphics-Top-Down-Approach/dp/03… Fluency with Information Technology http://www.amazon.com/Fluency-Information-Technology-Concepts-Capabilities/… Amazon.com: Interactive Computer Graphics: A Top-Down Approach Using OpenGL (4th Edition) (9780321321374): Edward Angel: Books<http://www.amazon.com/Interactive-Computer-Graphics-Top-Down-Approach/dp/03…> Amazon.com: Interactive Computer Graphics: A Top-Down Approach Using OpenGL (4th Edition) (9780321321374): Edward Angel: Books C Pocket Reference http://www.amazon.com/C-Pocket-Reference-Peter-Prinz/dp/0596004362/ref=sr_1… -- Eric Martin

Feb. 2, 2011

Re: [Wlug] Unstable Linux in recent releases

by John Stoffel

>>>>> "Chuck" == Chuck Anderson <cra(a)WPI.EDU> writes: Chuck> On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 11:53:41PM -0500, Andy Stewart wrote: >> When the boxes freezes, I cannot ssh into the box. I cannot switch to a >> text console. It is totally stuck, and the caps lock and scroll lock >> leds are blinking on the keyboard. Chuck> Blinking caps lock & sroll lock means there is a kernel Chuck> panic. Can you set up a serial console or netconsole in advance Chuck> to capture the panic messages to another system when it Chuck> crashes? THat would work the best I suspect. Chuck> If you set up a serial console, you should be able to send a break key Chuck> to access the System Request functionality in the same way but over Chuck> the serial port. >> The trick you mentioned about running tail -f /var/log/messages from >> another system is a good one that I had not considered! I'll try that also. Chuck> I doubt that will work if there is a kernel panic. It's not that it will work *after* the kernel panic, but it will hopefully log to another system and messages dumped to the console when the crash happens. You might also try going into your BIOS and setting the system defaults, esp if you tweaked them in any way or shape previously. I've also found that: cd /tmp wget http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.6/linux-2.6.37.tar.bz2 tar xjf linux-2.6.37.tar.bz2 cd linux-<whatever> cp /boot/config-<current kernel> .config fakeroot make deb-pkg works well as an upgrade path from a vendor kernel using Ubuntu. Not always mind you, but usually. Good luck, John

Jan. 19, 2011

Re: [Wlug] Unstable Linux in recent releases

by Jeff Moyer

Chuck Anderson <cra(a)WPI.EDU> writes: > On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 11:53:41PM -0500, Andy Stewart wrote: >> When the boxes freezes, I cannot ssh into the box. I cannot switch to a >> text console. It is totally stuck, and the caps lock and scroll lock >> leds are blinking on the keyboard. > > Blinking caps lock & sroll lock means there is a kernel panic. Can you > set up a serial console or netconsole in advance to capture the panic > messages to another system when it crashes? > > http://www.av8n.com/computer/htm/kernel-lockup.htm > > http://www.novell.com/communities/node/4753/netconsole-howto-send-kernel-bo… > Or setup kdump to capture a vmcore. Cheers, Jeff

Jan. 19, 2011

Re: [Wlug] Unstable Linux in recent releases

by Jorden Mauro

On Jan 18, 2011, at 11:53 PM, Andy Stewart <andystewart(a)comcast.net> wrote: > On 01/18/2011 09:42 PM, John Stoffel wrote: >> >> Andy> The computer in question is my server, which doesn't have >> Andy> wireless. It has been a rock for 4-5 years (until I >> upgraded to >> Andy> Kubuntu 10.10). >> >> Try upgrading to 2.6.37 from Kernel org (fakeroot make deb-pkg) using >> your distributions .config file should let you know if it's something >> in Linux which is screwing you over. >> >> And what are you doing watching movies on your server for! It should >> be a nice headless box you just SSH into at need. *grin* >> >> But first Andy, you need to give us more details. Does the entire >> box >> freeze or just the graphics? Can you hit Alt-SysRq-T or other >> combinations to get the system to give you crash info? >> >> Can you have an SSH session open from another system where you tail >> -f >> /var/log/messages and /var/log/system and dmesg so you can see if >> something pops up? >> >> We need more details before we can help! >> >> John > > HI John, > > I am running 2.6.35-24-generic from Kubuntu 10.10. I'll see if I can > upgrade the kernel this weekend. > > When the boxes freezes, I cannot ssh into the box. I cannot switch > to a > text console. It is totally stuck, and the caps lock and scroll lock > leds are blinking on the keyboard. > > I haven't tried the Alt-SysRq key sequence yet...I believe that I have > to enable that functionality. Probably won't work. Das Blinkenlights meanen der kernel panick, and der keyboard probably will be schtuck. Check kerneloops.org and the Linux bugtracker if you rule out the ATI driver. I would just use VGA mode to check that. > > The trick you mentioned about running tail -f /var/log/messages from > another system is a good one that I had not considered! I'll try > that also. > > Until I get more data, I suspect there isn't much anybody can do to > help, but I do appreciate these suggestions for how to gather some of > that data. > > More news later, > > Andy > > -- > Andy Stewart (KB1OIQ) > Founder: Worcester Linux Users' Group > Founder: Chelmsford Linux Meetup Group > President: PART of Westford, MA (WB1GOF) > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Jan. 19, 2011

Re: [Wlug] Unstable Linux in recent releases

by Chuck Anderson

On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 11:53:41PM -0500, Andy Stewart wrote: > When the boxes freezes, I cannot ssh into the box. I cannot switch to a > text console. It is totally stuck, and the caps lock and scroll lock > leds are blinking on the keyboard. Blinking caps lock & sroll lock means there is a kernel panic. Can you set up a serial console or netconsole in advance to capture the panic messages to another system when it crashes? http://www.av8n.com/computer/htm/kernel-lockup.htm http://www.novell.com/communities/node/4753/netconsole-howto-send-kernel-bo… > I haven't tried the Alt-SysRq key sequence yet...I believe that I have > to enable that functionality. in /etc/sysctl.conf: # Controls the System Request debugging functionality of the kernel kernel.sysrq = 1 If you set up a serial console, you should be able to send a break key to access the System Request functionality in the same way but over the serial port. > The trick you mentioned about running tail -f /var/log/messages from > another system is a good one that I had not considered! I'll try that also. I doubt that will work if there is a kernel panic.

Jan. 19, 2011

Re: [Wlug] Unstable Linux in recent releases

by Andy Stewart

On 01/18/2011 09:42 PM, John Stoffel wrote: > > Andy> The computer in question is my server, which doesn't have > Andy> wireless. It has been a rock for 4-5 years (until I upgraded to > Andy> Kubuntu 10.10). > > Try upgrading to 2.6.37 from Kernel org (fakeroot make deb-pkg) using > your distributions .config file should let you know if it's something > in Linux which is screwing you over. > > And what are you doing watching movies on your server for! It should > be a nice headless box you just SSH into at need. *grin* > > But first Andy, you need to give us more details. Does the entire box > freeze or just the graphics? Can you hit Alt-SysRq-T or other > combinations to get the system to give you crash info? > > Can you have an SSH session open from another system where you tail -f > /var/log/messages and /var/log/system and dmesg so you can see if > something pops up? > > We need more details before we can help! > > John HI John, I am running 2.6.35-24-generic from Kubuntu 10.10. I'll see if I can upgrade the kernel this weekend. When the boxes freezes, I cannot ssh into the box. I cannot switch to a text console. It is totally stuck, and the caps lock and scroll lock leds are blinking on the keyboard. I haven't tried the Alt-SysRq key sequence yet...I believe that I have to enable that functionality. The trick you mentioned about running tail -f /var/log/messages from another system is a good one that I had not considered! I'll try that also. Until I get more data, I suspect there isn't much anybody can do to help, but I do appreciate these suggestions for how to gather some of that data. More news later, Andy -- Andy Stewart (KB1OIQ) Founder: Worcester Linux Users' Group Founder: Chelmsford Linux Meetup Group President: PART of Westford, MA (WB1GOF)

Jan. 19, 2011

Re: [Wlug] Unstable Linux in recent releases

by John Stoffel

>>>>> "Andy" == Andy Stewart <andystewart(a)comcast.net> writes: Andy> On 01/15/2011 09:20 PM, Eric Martin wrote: >> I had a problem a while ago and most of the folks here told me it was >> probably my wireless drivers. Since I've switched to the ath5k FOSS >> drivers as opposed to madwifi I've had no problems so I'm inclined to >> think that was the problem. If you're running wireless, try leaving it >> up overnight with the wireless drivers unloaded. Andy> The computer in question is my server, which doesn't have Andy> wireless. It has been a rock for 4-5 years (until I upgraded to Andy> Kubuntu 10.10). Try upgrading to 2.6.37 from Kernel org (fakeroot make deb-pkg) using your distributions .config file should let you know if it's something in Linux which is screwing you over. And what are you doing watching movies on your server for! It should be a nice headless box you just SSH into at need. *grin* But first Andy, you need to give us more details. Does the entire box freeze or just the graphics? Can you hit Alt-SysRq-T or other combinations to get the system to give you crash info? Can you have an SSH session open from another system where you tail -f /var/log/messages and /var/log/system and dmesg so you can see if something pops up? We need more details before we can help! John

Jan. 19, 2011

Re: [Wlug] Unstable Linux in recent releases

by Jorden M

switching VTs still works on Ubuntu, you can just do C-A-F1 and get a tty. however sometimes this still doesn't work if X is really stuck. sad that such a thing can happen on linux. On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 2:54 PM, Randall Mason <clashthebunny(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Has anybody who is experiencing these problems tried 'ssh'ing into the > box? It would help you figure out if it's really locked up or if it's > the display server. > > Also, ctrl-alt-backspace was disabled on Ubuntu, maybe try enableing > it and waiting for the next freeze... > > You can also use the Magic SysRq Key: > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_SysRq_key > > Look up 'K' and make sure that it's all set up and wait for the next freeze... > > Randall Mason > > > > On Sun, Jan 16, 2011 at 8:45 AM, Andy Stewart <andystewart(a)comcast.net> wrote: >> On 01/16/2011 06:25 AM, Jason Couture wrote: >>> Have you tried the nonfree nvidia drivers? Or perhaps the free ones if >>> the nonfree are in use? >> >> Hi Jason, >> >> My graphics chip is the ATI Radeon RV280 (Radeon 9200 PRO), and it is >> running the Free Software driver. There is nothing proprietary in use >> for the video. I don't generally like to use the proprietary drivers, >> but perhaps I could try it to see if it makes any difference. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Andy >> >> -- >> Andy Stewart (KB1OIQ) >> Founder: Worcester Linux Users' Group >> Founder: Chelmsford Linux Meetup Group >> President: PART of Westford, MA (WB1GOF) >> _______________________________________________ >> Wlug mailing list >> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >> > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

Jan. 18, 2011

Unstable Linux in recent releases

by Kevin Paetzold

In case no one made the connection between my previous messagesubject and this thread..... They are the same. I believe that the fix i pointed out is the cause of these "unstable" linux's. Certainly the fix worked for me. When I first booted with one of the fixed kernels it ran for a wk (before i rebooted). Previously my machine was hanging at least once per day and at some points every hour or so. And in answer to previous question, the machine was hung such that it was not possible to ssh into it or make it respond in any way. Indeed after using the power switch to turn off the machine I still had to pull the AC plug to get it to be able to reboot. On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 8:25 AM, kevin.paetzold <kevin.paetzold(a)gmail.com> wrote: > I meant to say that I am now running vmlinuz-2.6.35.10-77.fc14.i686 > from fedora 14 koji. Both the above kernel and > vmlinuz-2.6.35.10-75.bz667459.fc14.i686 > seem to resolve the issue. > > http://kojipkgs.fedoraproject.org/packages/kernel/2.6.35.10/77.fc14/ > > In fedora this problem seemed to show up with the 10-72 kernel and was > perhaps even worse with 10-74 kernel. > > >

Jan. 17, 2011

Re: [Wlug] Unstable Linux in recent releases

by Randall Mason

Has anybody who is experiencing these problems tried 'ssh'ing into the box? It would help you figure out if it's really locked up or if it's the display server. Also, ctrl-alt-backspace was disabled on Ubuntu, maybe try enableing it and waiting for the next freeze... You can also use the Magic SysRq Key: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_SysRq_key Look up 'K' and make sure that it's all set up and wait for the next freeze... Randall Mason On Sun, Jan 16, 2011 at 8:45 AM, Andy Stewart <andystewart(a)comcast.net> wrote: > On 01/16/2011 06:25 AM, Jason Couture wrote: >> Have you tried the nonfree nvidia drivers? Or perhaps the free ones if >> the nonfree are in use? > > Hi Jason, > > My graphics chip is the ATI Radeon RV280 (Radeon 9200 PRO), and it is > running the Free Software driver. There is nothing proprietary in use > for the video. I don't generally like to use the proprietary drivers, > but perhaps I could try it to see if it makes any difference. > > Thanks, > > Andy > > -- > Andy Stewart (KB1OIQ) > Founder: Worcester Linux Users' Group > Founder: Chelmsford Linux Meetup Group > President: PART of Westford, MA (WB1GOF) > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

Jan. 17, 2011

hanging kernels #2

by kevin.paetzold

I meant to say that I am now running vmlinuz-2.6.35.10-77.fc14.i686 from fedora 14 koji. Both the above kernel and vmlinuz-2.6.35.10-75.bz667459.fc14.i686 seem to resolve the issue. http://kojipkgs.fedoraproject.org/packages/kernel/2.6.35.10/77.fc14/ In fedora this problem seemed to show up with the 10-72 kernel and was perhaps even worse with 10-74 kernel.

Jan. 17, 2011

hanging linux

by kevin.paetzold

I recently saw comments on this list about kernels that hang. Indeed that was/is true for fedora 14. The symptoms I saw were essentially a frozen screen with no mouse pointer etc... In my case I would actually have to power cycle (actually pulling the ac plug) my dell pc to reboot it. In my case I believe that the bug (in fedora land) was bz667459. see https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=667459 I was a comments in this bug pointed me at a bug fix kernel "vmlinuz-2.6.35.10-75.bz667459.fc14.i686". This kernel resolved the problem. By the way, I have now upgraded (on friday) to vmlinuz-2.6.35.10-75.bz667459.fc14.i686 from koji which has also been stable.

Jan. 17, 2011

Re: [Wlug] Any idea where to find a job?

by Jason Couture

Id like to thank everyone for their help and suggestions. I just realized I hadn't. The hunt continues, so if anyone happens to hear anything, please let me know. Sent from my android wireless device. On Dec 23, 2010 3:40 PM, "Jason Couture" <plaguethenet(a)gmail.com> wrote: I should also mention that I have limited experience troubleshooting and repairing Gilbarco Eclipse/Encore 500's, Systech serial port servers, and InCon TS-1001/2002. -- Jason Couture -- This message is intended to be viewed only by the listed recipient(s). It may contain information that is privileged, confidential and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. Any dissemination, distribution or copying of this message without the permission of the sender is strictly prohibited. If you are not one of the listed recipients, or you suspect you have received this communication in error, please do not read it; notify sender immediately by return e-mail, and delete the original message and any copies. On Thu, Dec 23, 2010 at 3:19 PM, Jason Couture <plaguethenet(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > Any it positio...

Jan. 16, 2011

Re: [Wlug] Unstable Linux in recent releases

by Jorden Mauro

Andy, Try the blob driver, also try using an older driver (free or nonfree), and also make sure to try an older kernel. There are always regressions. On Jan 16, 2011, at 8:45 AM, Andy Stewart <andystewart(a)comcast.net> wrote: > On 01/16/2011 06:25 AM, Jason Couture wrote: >> Have you tried the nonfree nvidia drivers? Or perhaps the free ones >> if >> the nonfree are in use? > > Hi Jason, > > My graphics chip is the ATI Radeon RV280 (Radeon 9200 PRO), and it is > running the Free Software driver. There is nothing proprietary in use > for the video. I don't generally like to use the proprietary drivers, > but perhaps I could try it to see if it makes any difference. > > Thanks, > > Andy > > -- > Andy Stewart (KB1OIQ) > Founder: Worcester Linux Users' Group > Founder: Chelmsford Linux Meetup Group > President: PART of Westford, MA (WB1GOF) > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Jan. 16, 2011

Re: [Wlug] Unstable Linux in recent releases

by Adam Keck

Andy, I would suspect the ATI drivers as the source of your instability. I have been having a lot of trouble with Kubuntu 10.10 on my T60 at work. While I haven't had full interface freezes, I get severe artifacting with an external monitor and have had random X crashes and application lockups. This solution cleared some things up for me, but it breaks setting the resolution via the preference pane: http://www.niccolofavari.com/ubuntu-10.04-lucid-issues-with-external-monito… -Adam On Sun, Jan 16, 2011 at 8:45 AM, Andy Stewart <andystewart(a)comcast.net>wrote: > On 01/16/2011 06:25 AM, Jason Couture wrote: > > Have you tried the nonfree nvidia drivers? Or perhaps the free ones if > > the nonfree are in use? > > Hi Jason, > > My graphics chip is the ATI Radeon RV280 (Radeon 9200 PRO), and it is > running the Free Software driver. There is nothing proprietary in use > for the video. I don't generally like to use the proprietary drivers, > but perhaps I could try it to see if it makes any difference. > > Thanks, > > Andy > > -- > Andy Stewart (KB1OIQ) > Founder: Worcester Linux Users' Group > Founder: Chelmsford Linux Meetup Group > President: PART of Westford, MA (WB1GOF) > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

Jan. 16, 2011

Re: [Wlug] Unstable Linux in recent releases

by Jason Couture

Andy, I'm sorry, I got the emails mixed up. It could be a driver issue, but I only suspect that due to the freezing under heavy video load. Could I also suggest trying a different video card to eliminate hardware issues? The video card may have started to fail as you switched distros, unlikely but possible? Sent from my android wireless device. On Jan 16, 2011 8:47 AM, "Andy Stewart" <andystewart(a)comcast.net> wrote: On 01/16/2011 06:25 AM, Jason Couture wrote: > Have you tried the nonfree nvidia drivers? Or perhaps... Hi Jason, My graphics chip is the ATI Radeon RV280 (Radeon 9200 PRO), and it is running the Free Software driver. There is nothing proprietary in use for the video. I don't generally like to use the proprietary drivers, but perhaps I could try it to see if it makes any difference. Thanks, Andy -- Andy Stewart (KB1OIQ) Founder: Worcester Linux Users' Group Founder: Chelmsf... Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Jan. 16, 2011

Re: [Wlug] Unstable Linux in recent releases

by Andy Stewart

On 01/16/2011 06:25 AM, Jason Couture wrote: > Have you tried the nonfree nvidia drivers? Or perhaps the free ones if > the nonfree are in use? Hi Jason, My graphics chip is the ATI Radeon RV280 (Radeon 9200 PRO), and it is running the Free Software driver. There is nothing proprietary in use for the video. I don't generally like to use the proprietary drivers, but perhaps I could try it to see if it makes any difference. Thanks, Andy -- Andy Stewart (KB1OIQ) Founder: Worcester Linux Users' Group Founder: Chelmsford Linux Meetup Group President: PART of Westford, MA (WB1GOF)

Jan. 16, 2011

Re: [Wlug] Unstable Linux in recent releases

by Jason Couture

Have you tried the nonfree nvidia drivers? Or perhaps the free ones if the nonfree are in use? Sent from my android wireless device. On Jan 16, 2011 4:22 AM, "David P. Connell" <davec99(a)charter.net> wrote: It seems to me from reading and from experience that there is some problem with 10.10 (for me with MythBuntu) and it does seem to center around video and I am not using wireless at all on the several configurations of hardware that I've tried (nothing very new HT P4's and 5200 series NVidia graphics, but always worked great prior to this). I am not very experienced so I can't offer anything but this anecdotal evidence. -- David P. Connell "Watch where you're going; remember where you've been." _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wl...

Jan. 16, 2011

Re: [Wlug] Unstable Linux in recent releases

by Jason Couture

Recent kernel/HAL upgrades have caused gentoo to not see my keyboard. I have to boot older kernels to get it working. Could be a problem with my kernel configuration though. Sent from my android wireless device. On Jan 16, 2011 4:22 AM, "David P. Connell" <davec99(a)charter.net> wrote: It seems to me from reading and from experience that there is some problem with 10.10 (for me with MythBuntu) and it does seem to center around video and I am not using wireless at all on the several configurations of hardware that I've tried (nothing very new HT P4's and 5200 series NVidia graphics, but always worked great prior to this). I am not very experienced so I can't offer anything but this anecdotal evidence. -- David P. Connell "Watch where you're going; remember where you've been." _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wl...

Jan. 16, 2011

Re: [Wlug] Unstable Linux in recent releases

by David P. Connell

It seems to me from reading and from experience that there is some problem with 10.10 (for me with MythBuntu) and it does seem to center around video and I am not using wireless at all on the several configurations of hardware that I've tried (nothing very new HT P4's and 5200 series NVidia graphics, but always worked great prior to this). I am not very experienced so I can't offer anything but this anecdotal evidence. -- David P. Connell "Watch where you're going; remember where you've been."

Jan. 16, 2011

Re: [Wlug] Unstable Linux in recent releases

by James Gray

Funny, I've had crashes on and off for a while now. However, I believe it is related to my wireless driver (ironically ath5k, perhaps if I get newer drivers it will fix the problem?). I have the driver unloaded for a week and no problems. In another week I'll feel safe concluding it was the driver. I have another computer that sometimes crashes during shutdown right before power off. It doesn't hurt anything except that I have to press the power button - so I don't much care. I haven't had any problems with any of my other systems (all running *ubuntu 10.04) nor heard any complaints about the new *ubuntu 10.10 crashing. I think it pays to stick with the long term support releases as they are supposed to be more stable - 8.04 and 10.04. Probably doesn't help much, just thinking our loud. On Sat, Jan 15, 2011 at 10:23 PM, Andy Stewart <andystewart(a)comcast.net> wrote: > On 01/15/2011 09:20 PM, Eric Martin wrote: >> I had a problem a while ago and most of the folks here told me it was >> probably my wireless drivers. Since I've switched to the ath5k FOSS >> drivers as opposed to madwifi I've had no problems so I'm inclined to >> think that was the problem. If you're running wireless, try leaving it >> up overnight with the wireless drivers unloaded. > > HI Eric, > > The computer in question is my server, which doesn't have wireless. It > has been a rock for 4-5 years (until I upgraded to Kubuntu 10.10). > > I'll keep googling and if I find something, I'll let everybody know. > > Thanks, > > Andy > > -- > Andy Stewart (KB1OIQ) > Founder: Worcester Linux Users' Group > Founder: Chelmsford Linux Meetup Group > President: PART of Westford, MA (WB1GOF) > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

Jan. 16, 2011

Re: [Wlug] Unstable Linux in recent releases

by Andy Stewart

On 01/15/2011 09:20 PM, Eric Martin wrote: > I had a problem a while ago and most of the folks here told me it was > probably my wireless drivers. Since I've switched to the ath5k FOSS > drivers as opposed to madwifi I've had no problems so I'm inclined to > think that was the problem. If you're running wireless, try leaving it > up overnight with the wireless drivers unloaded. HI Eric, The computer in question is my server, which doesn't have wireless. It has been a rock for 4-5 years (until I upgraded to Kubuntu 10.10). I'll keep googling and if I find something, I'll let everybody know. Thanks, Andy -- Andy Stewart (KB1OIQ) Founder: Worcester Linux Users' Group Founder: Chelmsford Linux Meetup Group President: PART of Westford, MA (WB1GOF)

Jan. 16, 2011

Re: [Wlug] Unstable Linux in recent releases

by Eric Martin

I had a problem a while ago and most of the folks here told me it was probably my wireless drivers. Since I've switched to the ath5k FOSS drivers as opposed to madwifi I've had no problems so I'm inclined to think that was the problem. If you're running wireless, try leaving it up overnight with the wireless drivers unloaded. On Sat, Jan 15, 2011 at 9:13 PM, Andy Stewart <andystewart(a)comcast.net>wrote: > > HI gang, > > I've read an awful lot of posts recently describing freezing or hanging > systems in very recent versions of several Linux distributions. > > Unfortunately, I got one of them - Kubuntu 10.10 (I *knew* I shouldn't > have upgraded from the very stable SuSE 10.1, except that it was quite > old). > > My system arbitrarily hangs/freezes at unpredictable intervals. > Sometimes I can make it happen 2 minutes after a reboot, and other times > it takes a few days, but invariably, it does occur. > > I can usually induce it by doing something semi-stressful to the video, > like watching something via mplayer, but it doesn't always occur. > > The postings I've seen appear to describe a wide variety of hardware and > software configurations, and nobody can seem to find any error data in > any log file. > > What I can't find is the solution, and I've googled extensively. Has > anybody found anything online that talks about some very recently > discovered bug and its fix that would cure the problem? > > Thanks! > > Andy > > -- > Andy Stewart (KB1OIQ) > Founder: Worcester Linux Users' Group > Founder: Chelmsford Linux Meetup Group > President: PART of Westford, MA (WB1GOF) > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > -- Eric Martin

Jan. 16, 2011

Unstable Linux in recent releases

by Andy Stewart

HI gang, I've read an awful lot of posts recently describing freezing or hanging systems in very recent versions of several Linux distributions. Unfortunately, I got one of them - Kubuntu 10.10 (I *knew* I shouldn't have upgraded from the very stable SuSE 10.1, except that it was quite old). My system arbitrarily hangs/freezes at unpredictable intervals. Sometimes I can make it happen 2 minutes after a reboot, and other times it takes a few days, but invariably, it does occur. I can usually induce it by doing something semi-stressful to the video, like watching something via mplayer, but it doesn't always occur. The postings I've seen appear to describe a wide variety of hardware and software configurations, and nobody can seem to find any error data in any log file. What I can't find is the solution, and I've googled extensively. Has anybody found anything online that talks about some very recently discovered bug and its fix that would cure the problem? Thanks! Andy -- Andy Stewart (KB1OIQ) Founder: Worcester Linux Users' Group Founder: Chelmsford Linux Meetup Group President: PART of Westford, MA (WB1GOF)

Jan. 16, 2011

Re: [Wlug] Dec Meeting announcement / linux-raid problem

by Eric Martin

I forgot to thank everybody for their help. I used dd_rescue to clone the disk and forced mdadm to activate the array and everything was good. Of course now my backup hard drive is throwing errors so it's either heat in the cabinet that's killing hds or a bad mb. I guess I'll be pulling the back off of my entertainment center... On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 4:52 PM, John Stoffel <john(a)stoffel.org> wrote: > >>>>> "Eric" == Eric Martin <eric.joshua.martin(a)gmail.com> writes: > > Eric> Now, the main reason for my email. My mythbox / home file > Eric> server runs linux soft-raid in RAID5 with 3 500GB disks. One > Eric> disk went bad a while ago and the array never rebuilt itself. > > So you only had two 500Gb disks left in the array? > > Eric> The other day, the second disk went bad. Am I hosed? > > Possibly, it depends on how bad the second disk is. What I would do > is try to use dd_rescue to copy the 2nd bad disk onto a new disk > (possibly your original bad disk if you feel brave!) and then try to > re-assemble your raid 5 using that. You might or might not have > corruption in the filesystem, so make sure you run an fsck on it. > > Now, in the future, you should run a weekly check of the array for bad > blocks or other problems, so that you get notified if a disk dies > silently. I use the following crontab entry: > > # > # cron.d/mdadm -- schedules periodic redundancy checks of MD devices > # > # Copyright © martin f. krafft <madduck(a)madduck.net> > # distributed under the terms of the Artistic Licence 2.0 > # > > # By default, run at 00:57 on every Sunday, but do nothing unless the > day of > # the month is less than or equal to 7. Thus, only run on the first > Sunday of > # each month. crontab(5) sucks, unfortunately, in this regard; > therefore this > # hack (see #380425). > 57 0 * * 0 root if [ -x /usr/share/mdadm/checkarray ] && [ $(date +\%d) > -le 7 ]; then /usr/share/mdadm/checkarray --cron --all --idle --quiet; fi > > and I get a nice weekly report on both arrays on my main filerserver > at thome. > > Eric> I've been googling for 'rebuild bad linux software raid' but all > Eric> I get is the rebuild command. Also, I don't see any tools that > Eric> will move bad data to another spot on the disk. This is my > Eric> first time using software raid so I'm in a bit over my head. > > The first thing is to ask for help on the linux-raid mailing list, > which is hosted on vger.kernel.org. > > But somethings you can do to help is to give us more information. > Like: > > cat /proc/mdstat > > mdadm -E /dev/sd... > > or /dev/hd... depending on whether your SATA or IDE drives. > Basically, use the devices you got from the /proc/mdstat output as > your basis. > > Give us this output, and we should be able to help you more. > > John > > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > -- Eric Martin

Jan. 16, 2011

Re: [Wlug] Old man and LINUX

by E Johnson

The Up arrow is a total lifesaver. Whoever commented on making a text file containing Linucommands & their uses was right on, too. I can certainly search a text file residing in my hard drive much easier than I could ever find a note in one of a series of sprial (paper) notebooks. Liz J On 12 January 2011 19:24, Gregory Avedissian <avedis.g(a)verizon.net> wrote: > The up arrow will take you through your command history in reverse order. > If you want to see more than one command at a time, open .bash_history in > your home with a text editor, or, while you're still remembering it, do > 'more .bash_history'. If you remember the command, but you can't recall > what options you used with it, 'grep some-command .bash_history' can help. > > You can set the system to hold more commands, if you want. In debian, the > default is to hold the last 500 commands. I don't recall what it is in > other distros. > > Spiral-bound notebook is good, too. A couple of pages of your favorite > commands and just about anything else will still be readable if the system > crashes. > > Greg Avedissian > > > On 01/12/2011 03:56 PM, Ken Jones wrote: >> >> Folks, >> >> I have always wondered at my ability to keep the myriad of LINUX >> instructions in my head. What would I do if I were to start losing >> them? Is there a tool to search for recall? >> >> Is there any way to go backwards in LINUX command land? If I were to >> remember that there is a command that will print on standard output the >> contents of a file in txt characters, but could not for the life of me >> remember 'more'. Where would I go for help (other than sending a email >> to this list serve)? All the command dictionaries I have are alphabetic. >> >> Ken Jones (the elder) >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wlug mailing list >> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

Jan. 14, 2011

Re: [Wlug] Old man and LINUX

by Steven Greenberg

Unix/Linux command names were exactly what drove me crazy when I first had to use Unix. I wanted to list something on the terminal, or maybe type it. Who would have thought to "cat" it or "more" it. And then we have the aptly named utilities like "awk". I was so proud when it finally dawned on me what the letters "a" "w" and "k" stood for. So I eventually did learn all the commands, but I never thought about the problem of forgetting them until this digest entry. I had the same reaction to emacs in the beginning. Doing apropos in emacs is not helpful when the concept you associate with the task is nothing like the way it is named or described in Emacs. I have learned to write down in a diary on my computer every time I finally find the hard to find command in either Emacs or unix/linux. The next time I want to do the same thing and I have forgotten what the command is, and I finally give up trying to find it in emacs, I can search my diary. Chances are the diary entry will be associated with the word I mentally associate with the task. /Steve -- Steven Greenberg Email: steve(a)ssgreenberg.name 251 Holland Rd. Phone: (774)241-0095 Fiskdale, Massachusetts 01518-1231 Web: http://www.ssgreenberg.name Other Email: s.greenberg(a)ieee.org ssg(a)alum.mit.edu

Jan. 13, 2011

Re: [Wlug] Old man and LINUX

by Tim Keller

I've gotten in the habit of doing a "ctrl-r" in my current shell and then searching for a command I've used. On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 9:19 PM, Franklin Moody <fmoody(a)moodman.org> wrote: > On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 07:24:17PM -0500, Gregory Avedissian wrote: > > The up arrow will take you through your command history in reverse order. > > If you want to see more than one command at a time, open .bash_history in > > your home with a text editor, or, while you're still remembering it, do > > 'more .bash_history'. If you remember the command, but you can't recall > > what options you used with it, 'grep some-command .bash_history' can > help. > > > > You can set the system to hold more commands, if you want. In debian, the > > default is to hold the last 500 commands. I don't recall what it is in > > other distros. > > > > Spiral-bound notebook is good, too. A couple of pages of your favorite > > commands and just about anything else will still be readable if the > system > > crashes. > > > > Greg Avedissian > > I usually use "history | grep $blah" when looking for a particular > set of command line options... On machines where I don't intentionally > disable history for security... > > Frank > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

Jan. 13, 2011

Re: [Wlug] Old man and LINUX

by Chuck Anderson

On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 03:56:02PM -0500, Ken Jones wrote: > output the contents of a file in txt characters, but could not for > the life of me remember 'more'. Where would I go for help (other > than sending a email to this list serve)? All the command > dictionaries I have are alphabetic. linuxcommand.org might be helpful.

Jan. 13, 2011

Old man and LINUX

by temljrmjrlmr＠comcast.net

Try "fc -l" (thats dash ell) no quotes shows a tail of whats in .bash_history I think Or - if you know the command's number in the history sequence "fc {$line_no}" Brings Previous command comes up in your default editor Default here (Ubuntu Hardy) was set to the nano editor for some reason so i did FCEDIT=vi ; export FCEDIT NOW things are more better Jay Louis J Rouleau Semi-Old Man South Hadley --------------- Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2011 16:02:29 -0500 From: Jorden M <jrm8005(a)gmail.com> Subject: Re: [Wlug] Old man and LINUX To: Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> Message-ID: <AANLkTi=NDA=EenfiOTAcnROVGEjfajmH93mwss5vj9XQ(a)mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 3:56 PM, Ken Jones <kjones(a)ziplink.net> wrote: > Folks, > > I have? always wondered at my ability to keep the myriad of LINUX > instructions in my head.? What would I do?if I were to start losing them? > Is there a tool to search for recall? > > Is there any way to go backwards in LINUX command land? ?If I were to > remember that there is a command that will print on standard output the > contents of a file in txt characters,? but could not for the life of me > remember 'more'.? Where would I go for help (other than sending a email to > this list serve)?? All the command dictionaries I have are alphabetic. > > Ken Jones (the elder) > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > apropos, although that isn't always helpful. Google. There are also some sites that have commands listed categorically. ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2011 19:00:25 -0500 From: "John Stoffel" <john(a)stoffel.org> Subject: Re: [Wlug] Old man and LINUX To: Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> Message-ID: <19758.16537.740475.105771(a)quad.stoffel.home> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >>>>> "Ken" == Ken Jones <kjones(a)ziplink.net> writes: Ken> Folks, Ken> I have always wondered at my ability to keep the myriad of LINUX instructions in my head. What would I do if I were to start losing them? Is there a tool to search for recall? Ken> Is there any way to go backwards in LINUX command land? If I Ken> were to remember that there is a command that will print on Ken> standard output the contents of a file in txt characters, but Ken> could not for the life of me remember 'more'. Where would I go Ken> for help (other than sending a email to this list serve)? All Ken> the command dictionaries I have are alphabetic. man -k something where something is vaguely related to your needs. In this case, I just did 'man -k text' and the last things that popped up were 'zmore'. Plus a bunch of other system calls and library calls about text handling. Maybe pickup one of the linux for beginners books that O'Reilly puts out? Unix in a Nutshell, etc. That should help you find commands. Also, *any* text editor will let you read a text file, even if you don't want to edit it. John ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2011 19:24:17 -0500 From: Gregory Avedissian <avedis.g(a)verizon.net> Subject: Re: [Wlug] Old man and LINUX To: Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> Message-ID: <4D2E4631.7020705(a)verizon.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 The up arrow will take you through your command history in reverse order. If you want to see more than one command at a time, open .bash_history in your home with a text editor, or, while you're still remembering it, do 'more .bash_history'. If you remember the command, but you can't recall what options you used with it, 'grep some-command .bash_history' can help. You can set the system to hold more commands, if you want. In debian, the default is to hold the last 500 commands. I don't recall what it is in other distros. Spiral-bound notebook is good, too. A couple of pages of your favorite commands and just about anything else will still be readable if the system crashes. Greg Avedissian On 01/12/2011 03:56 PM, Ken Jones wrote: > > Folks, > > I have always wondered at my ability to keep the myriad of LINUX > instructions in my head. What would I do if I were to start losing > them? Is there a tool to search for recall? > > Is there any way to go backwards in LINUX command land? If I were to > remember that there is a command that will print on standard output the > contents of a file in txt characters, but could not for the life of me > remember 'more'. Where would I go for help (other than sending a email > to this list serve)? All the command dictionaries I have are alphabetic. > > Ken Jones (the elder) > > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2011 19:44:57 -0500 From: James Gray <jamespgray(a)gmail.com> Subject: Re: [Wlug] Old man and LINUX To: Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> Message-ID: <AANLkTineh9rsmE0TaHudw2xa6nu6GTWGTO-9jKv27F9R(a)mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 If Google and other search commands don't get what you want you could buy a reference book. Or you could create your own cheat sheet. On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 3:56 PM, Ken Jones <kjones(a)ziplink.net> wrote: > Folks, > > I have? always wondered at my ability to keep the myriad of LINUX > instructions in my head.? What would I do?if I were to start losing them? > Is there a tool to search for recall? > ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2011 19:52:13 -0500 From: Jorden M <jrm8005(a)gmail.com> Subject: Re: [Wlug] Old man and LINUX To: Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> Message-ID: <AANLkTikB6P0JK-9nUJ9Lws2sVSvC5y2AzXF=bx8ggjjD(a)mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 apropos is equivalent to man -k On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 7:00 PM, John Stoffel <john(a)stoffel.org> wrote: >>>>>> "Ken" == Ken Jones <kjones(a)ziplink.net> writes: > > Ken> Folks, > Ken> I have ?always wondered at my ability to keep the myriad of LINUX instructions in my head. ?What would I do if I were to start losing them? ? Is there a tool to search for recall? > > Ken> Is there any way to go backwards in LINUX command land? ?If I > Ken> were to remember that there is a command that will print on > Ken> standard output the contents of a file in txt characters, but > Ken> could not for the life of me remember 'more'. ?Where would I go > Ken> for help (other than sending a email to this list serve)? ?All > Ken> the command dictionaries I have are alphabetic. > > man -k something > > where something is vaguely related to your needs. ?In this case, I > just did 'man -k text' and the last things that popped up were > 'zmore'. ?Plus a bunch of other system calls and library calls about > text handling. > > Maybe pickup one of the linux for beginners books that O'Reilly puts > out? ?Unix in a Nutshell, etc. ?That should help you find commands. > > Also, *any* text editor will let you read a text file, even if you > don't want to edit it. > > John > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2011 21:19:39 -0500 From: Franklin Moody <fmoody(a)moodman.org> Subject: Re: [Wlug] Old man and LINUX To: Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> Message-ID: <20110113021937.GB13934(a)fmoody.moodman.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 07:24:17PM -0500, Gregory Avedissian wrote: > The up arrow will take you through your command history in reverse order. > If you want to see more than one command at a time, open .bash_history in > your home with a text editor, or, while you're still remembering it, do > 'more .bash_history'. If you remember the command, but you can't recall > what options you used with it, 'grep some-command .bash_history' can help. > > You can set the system to hold more commands, if you want. In debian, the > default is to hold the last 500 commands. I don't recall what it is in > other distros. > > Spiral-bound notebook is good, too. A couple of pages of your favorite > commands and just about anything else will still be readable if the system > crashes. > > Greg Avedissian I usually use "history | grep $blah" when looking for a particular set of command line options... On machines where I don't intentionally disable history for security... Frank ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug End of Wlug Digest, Vol 87, Issue 9 ***********************************

Jan. 13, 2011

Re: [Wlug] Old man and LINUX

by Aljerin Butler,Jr.

Try http://www.linuxmanpages.com/. It has every command you've probably ever used and then some. Al Butler http://customlinux.tripod.com/ --- On Thu, 1/13/11, wlug-request(a)mail.wlug.org <wlug-request(a)mail.wlug.org> wrote: From: wlug-request(a)mail.wlug.org <wlug-request(a)mail.wlug.org> Subject: Wlug Digest, Vol 87, Issue 9 To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org Date: Thursday, January 13, 2011, 12:00 PM Send Wlug mailing list submissions to wlug(a)mail.wlug.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to wlug-request(a)mail.wlug.org You can reach the person managing the list at wlug-owner(a)mail.wlug.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Wlug digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Canceled due to weather: WLUG meeting Wed 1/12/2011 (Theo Van Dinter) 2. Old man and LINUX (Ken Jones) 3. Re: Old man and LINUX (Jorden M) 4. Re: Old man and LINUX (John Stoffel) 5. Re: Old man and LINUX (Gregory Avedissian) 6. Re: Old man and LINUX (James Gray) 7. Re: Old man and LINUX (Jorden M) 8. Re: Old man and LINUX (Franklin Moody) _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Jan. 13, 2011