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Reminder! Meeting April 9th, 2015, 7pm Rm 331 (Mid-Century Room)

by Tim Keller

Hey Gang! The next WLUG meeting is upon us! I've dropped the ball a bit and haven't lined up a speaker yet... If anybody has a pressing urge for something to speak about, by all means let me know! Thanks, Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

April 2, 2015

Re: [Wlug] Cryptoparty in Worcester on Sun. Mar 22

by Steve Revilak

>You forgot to tell us What T... is a cryproparty? That's a very good question; sorry for not explaining earlier. A cryptoparty <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cryptoparty> is an event where people get together to learn about encryption and communications privacy. >Is it a keysigning? > >"plan to cover" makes it sound like a lecture. > >Installfest? There's a bit of a lecture component, but I usually think of cryptoparties as workshops. I find they work best when people bring laptops, to set up and try the software (GnuPG and Jitsi in this case). In that sense, they're a little like installfests (e.g., the "help you install and set up" part). That said, laptops aren't a requirement; it's okay to hang out, listen and watch. Since GnuPG is one of the topics, there will probably be some keysigning involved. >"Party" makes it sound purely social. >Drink wine and solve cryptograms? Perhaps after the cryptoparty :) Steve

March 18, 2015

Re: [Wlug] Cryptoparty in Worcester on Sun. Mar 22

by Charlie Stevenson

If you can figure out what it is then you're invited ;-) On Wed, Mar 18, 2015 at 2:54 PM, Richard Klein <rich(a)richardklein.org> wrote: > It's a party where people allude to events very cryptically. > > On Wed, Mar 18, 2015 at 2:34 PM, Keith Wright <kwright(a)keithdiane.us> > wrote: > >> Steve Revilak <steve(a)srevilak.net> writes: >> >> > I'm helping to organize a Cryptoparty at the >> > Worcester Public Library, and I wanted to extend an >> > invitation to WLUG members. >> >> Thank you. >> >> > The cryptoparty is this Sunday 3/22 from 2pm - 4pm, >> > and we plan to cover Jitsi and GnuPG. >> > The WPL is located at 3 Salem Street, >> > Worcester, and we'll be meeting in the Banx room. >> >> Time, place, invitation, check checkcheck. >> >> You forgot to tell us What T... is a cryproparty? >> >> Is it a keysigning? >> >> "plan to cover" makes it sound like a lecture. >> >> Installfest? >> >> "Party" makes it sound purely social. >> Drink wine and solve cryptograms? >> >> -- Keith >> _______________________________________________ >> Wlug mailing list >> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > -- *Charles K Stevenson* *Information Technology Manager**Telephone:* +1 978-355-4378 ext. 250 Insight Meditation Society <http://www.dharma.org/> | 1230 Pleasant St., Barre, MA 01005 [image: https://www.linkedin.com/in/charliestevenson] <https://www.linkedin.com/in/charliestevenson> The Frederick P. Lenz Foundation for American Buddhism grant recipient <http://fredericklenzfoundation.org/insight-meditation-society> IMA Best in Class Award award recipient in the nonprofit category <http://www.interactivemediaawards.com/winners/certificate.asp?param=268701&…> 2015 Retreat Schedule <https://www.dharma.org/meditation-retreats/retreat-center/retreat-center-sc…> | Donate Now <https://www.dharma.org/ims/donations.php> | About Us <https://www.dharma.org/about-us> | e-Newsletter Signup <https://www.dharma.org/mailing-list-request>

March 18, 2015

Re: [Wlug] Cryptoparty in Worcester on Sun. Mar 22

by Richard Klein

It's a party where people allude to events very cryptically. On Wed, Mar 18, 2015 at 2:34 PM, Keith Wright <kwright(a)keithdiane.us> wrote: > Steve Revilak <steve(a)srevilak.net> writes: > > > I'm helping to organize a Cryptoparty at the > > Worcester Public Library, and I wanted to extend an > > invitation to WLUG members. > > Thank you. > > > The cryptoparty is this Sunday 3/22 from 2pm - 4pm, > > and we plan to cover Jitsi and GnuPG. > > The WPL is located at 3 Salem Street, > > Worcester, and we'll be meeting in the Banx room. > > Time, place, invitation, check checkcheck. > > You forgot to tell us What T... is a cryproparty? > > Is it a keysigning? > > "plan to cover" makes it sound like a lecture. > > Installfest? > > "Party" makes it sound purely social. > Drink wine and solve cryptograms? > > -- Keith > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

March 18, 2015

Re: [Wlug] Cryptoparty in Worcester on Sun. Mar 22

by Keith Wright

Steve Revilak <steve(a)srevilak.net> writes: > I'm helping to organize a Cryptoparty at the > Worcester Public Library, and I wanted to extend an > invitation to WLUG members. Thank you. > The cryptoparty is this Sunday 3/22 from 2pm - 4pm, > and we plan to cover Jitsi and GnuPG. > The WPL is located at 3 Salem Street, > Worcester, and we'll be meeting in the Banx room. Time, place, invitation, check checkcheck. You forgot to tell us What T... is a cryproparty? Is it a keysigning? "plan to cover" makes it sound like a lecture. Installfest? "Party" makes it sound purely social. Drink wine and solve cryptograms? -- Keith

March 18, 2015

Re: [Wlug] Cryptoparty in Worcester on Sun. Mar 22

by Charlie Stevenson

Excellent! :) Thanks for putting this together. I'm not sure I'll make it but my key is collecting tons of dust. http://pgp.mit.edu/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x180B8BAF13B27893 On Tue, Mar 17, 2015 at 9:00 PM, Steve Revilak <steve(a)srevilak.net> wrote: > Hello Worcester Linux Users Group! My name is Steve and I'm a Linux > user who lives in the Boston Area. I'm helping to organize a > Cryptoparty at the Worcester Public Library, and I wanted to extend an > invitation to WLUG members. > > The cryptoparty is this Sunday 3/22 from 2pm - 4pm, and we plan to > cover Jitsi and GnuPG. The WPL is located at 3 Salem Street, > Worcester, and we'll be meeting in the Banx room. > > Hope to see you Sunday. > > Steve > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > -- *Charles K Stevenson* *Information Technology Manager**Telephone:* +1 978-355-4378 ext. 250 Insight Meditation Society <http://www.dharma.org/> | 1230 Pleasant St., Barre, MA 01005 [image: https://www.linkedin.com/in/charliestevenson] <https://www.linkedin.com/in/charliestevenson> The Frederick P. Lenz Foundation for American Buddhism grant recipient <http://fredericklenzfoundation.org/insight-meditation-society> IMA Best in Class Award award recipient in the nonprofit category <http://www.interactivemediaawards.com/winners/certificate.asp?param=268701&…> 2015 Retreat Schedule <https://www.dharma.org/meditation-retreats/retreat-center/retreat-center-sc…> | Donate Now <https://www.dharma.org/ims/donations.php> | About Us <https://www.dharma.org/about-us> | e-Newsletter Signup <https://www.dharma.org/mailing-list-request>

March 18, 2015

Cryptoparty in Worcester on Sun. Mar 22

by Steve Revilak

Hello Worcester Linux Users Group! My name is Steve and I'm a Linux user who lives in the Boston Area. I'm helping to organize a Cryptoparty at the Worcester Public Library, and I wanted to extend an invitation to WLUG members. The cryptoparty is this Sunday 3/22 from 2pm - 4pm, and we plan to cover Jitsi and GnuPG. The WPL is located at 3 Salem Street, Worcester, and we'll be meeting in the Banx room. Hope to see you Sunday. Steve

March 18, 2015

Free computers and monitors.

by Bill Nelson

WLUG: Before discarding these items, I want to offer them to anyone who needs them. They are all working and not missing any parts. 1. ViewSonic 19" G90fb Graphics Series monitor CRT 2. ATX full-tower custom built computer a. pentium processor b. Windows XP with discs/license c. 80 GB Western Digital HD d. Asus ATI Radeon A7000 video card e. DVD read/write f. Multiple outlet USB card g. sound card h. 300 watt power supply j. keyboard and mouse 3. Hewlett Packard Pavilion 12" monitor CRT 4. IBM Thinkpad 600 laptop a. Carrying case b. New battery c. All discs/software/licenses Please respond to whn6849(a)verizon.net if you know of a good home for them. Regards, Bill Nelson

March 16, 2015

Re: [Wlug] Great meeting last night!

by Chuck Anderson

On Fri, Mar 13, 2015 at 09:36:53AM -0400, Tim Keller wrote: > What a great meeting last night! Chuck did a great presentation showing > off several different model Pi's plus demoing their use as squeeze box > remote media players. He also started to show off the MAME and DVR/MythTV > stuff but we all got distracted. I think that could merit a meeting topic > all by itself! Some more info for those who are interested: ODROID-C1: http://www.hardkernel.com/main/products/prdt_info.php Compared to the Rasberry Pi 2, the ODROID-C1 has additional features like eMMC, IR receiver, GigE, USB OTG, real-time clock, and the ability to run Android. Another plus is that it isn't based on Broadcom (not very OSS friendly), it can decode more codecs in hardware, and it doesn't require any codec licenses to be purchased. Downsides are lack of separate audio and composite video outputs and lack of HDMI CEC. Oh and it can't run Windows 10 like the RPi 2 can. Still costs $35.00. * Amlogic ARM® Cortex®-A5(ARMv7) 1.5Ghz quad core CPUs * Mali™-450 MP2 GPU (OpenGL ES 2.0/1.1 enabled for Linux and Android) * 1Gbyte DDR3 SDRAM * Gigabit Ethernet * 40pin GPIOs * eMMC4.5 HS200 Flash Storage slot / UHS-1 SDR50 MicroSD Card slot * USB 2.0 Host x 4, USB OTG x 1, * Infrared(IR) Receiver * Ubuntu 14.04 or Android KitKat Comparison with Raspberry Pi 2: http://www.cnx-software.com/2015/02/02/raspberry-pi-2-odroid-c1-development… ---------------- Logitech Media Server (LMS, a.k.a. Squeezebox Server, SqueezeCenter, Slim Server): http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.php/Logitech_Media_Server SqueezeLite, a headless Squeezebox client: https://code.google.com/p/squeezelite/ SqueezePlug + Max2Play, a Raspberry Pi and ODROID distro for LMS + SqueezeLite + AirPlay, etc: http://www.squeezeplug.eu/ ---------------- Kodi (formerly XBMC) comes pre-installed on ODROID-C1's Linux distro, OpenELEC, and others: http://kodi.tv/about/ Open Embedded Linux Entertainment Center (OpenELEC), a Kodi media center distro: http://openelec.tv/ ---------------- PiPlay (formerly PiMAME), the pre built Raspberry Pi OS made for gaming and emulation: http://pimame.org/

March 13, 2015

Re: [Wlug] Great meeting last night!

by Chuck Anderson

On Fri, Mar 13, 2015 at 01:15:39PM -0400, Jamie Guinan wrote: > On Fri, 13 Mar 2015, Tim Keller wrote: > > > What a great meeting last night! Chuck did a great presentation showing > > off several different model Pi's plus demoing their use as squeeze box > > remote media players. He also started to show off the MAME and DVR/MythTV > > stuff but we all got distracted. I think that could merit a meeting topic > > all by itself! > > > > We had a great show and tell of pi devices. The coolest being the homemade > > pi based wifi enabled security camera (with infrared LEDs!) > > > > To cap the night we ended doing a mini install fest on a "classic" Sony > > Vaio! > > > > Thanks everybody! > > Tim. > > Tim, > > Do you have a link to that graphics package you were talking about? > The one where you just throw data at it and check it once in a while. Graphite: http://graphite.wikidot.com/ I was talking briefly about collectd: https://collectd.org/

March 13, 2015

Python 3 Programming Course

by Robert Schwein

http://ieeeboston.org/event/introduction-programming-python-version-3-sprin… For anyone interested, the Institute of Electrical and Electronic Engineers (IEEE) is sponsoring a 5 session short course on programming with Python V3. Bob

March 13, 2015

Re: [Wlug] Great meeting last night!

by Jamie Guinan

On Fri, 13 Mar 2015, Tim Keller wrote: > What a great meeting last night! Chuck did a great presentation showing > off several different model Pi's plus demoing their use as squeeze box > remote media players. He also started to show off the MAME and DVR/MythTV > stuff but we all got distracted. I think that could merit a meeting topic > all by itself! > > We had a great show and tell of pi devices. The coolest being the homemade > pi based wifi enabled security camera (with infrared LEDs!) > > To cap the night we ended doing a mini install fest on a "classic" Sony > Vaio! > > Thanks everybody! > Tim. Tim, Do you have a link to that graphics package you were talking about? The one where you just throw data at it and check it once in a while. Thanks, -Jamie

March 13, 2015

OPENING - Jr to mid-level Embedded Software Engineer C/Linux

by John Spencer

We have a client in Bedford, NH looking for 2 jr to mid-level embedded software engineers with 2+ yrs of commercial embedded C/Linux development experience. This is a 6 month contract. Must be able to interview and work on site Jr and mid-level Embedded Software Engineers Required: Minimum of 2 yrs commercial development experience Good background developing with C in an embedded Linux/Unix environment Experience working with multi-threaded Unix/Linux applications Experience working with wireless products or systems is a plus BSEE or related technical degree Responsibilities: Develop embedded, real-time software for new and existing products Work with other engineers to test and debug software to get new products to market Please send your resume to jspencer (at) connectedsp.com Regards, John Spencer Connected Systems Partners Office: (978) 455-5550 x208 Cell: (978) 621-9743 jspencer(a)connectedsp.com www.connectedsp.com GET CONNECTED! All information in this email, unless indicated otherwise in the body of the email, is considered confidential and intended for the view and use of the recipient(s) only.

March 13, 2015

Great meeting last night!

by Tim Keller

What a great meeting last night! Chuck did a great presentation showing off several different model Pi's plus demoing their use as squeeze box remote media players. He also started to show off the MAME and DVR/MythTV stuff but we all got distracted. I think that could merit a meeting topic all by itself! We had a great show and tell of pi devices. The coolest being the homemade pi based wifi enabled security camera (with infrared LEDs!) To cap the night we ended doing a mini install fest on a "classic" Sony Vaio! Thanks everybody! Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

March 13, 2015

Re: [Wlug] REMINDER!! Meeting TONIGHT! March 12th, 2015!

by Jamie Guinan

On Thu, 12 Mar 2015, Keith Wright wrote: > Jamie Guinan <guinan(a)bluebutton.com> writes: > > > I haven't been to a WLUG meeting in ages. Is it still in the same > > building in the southwest corner of the quad? The floorplan link is > > dead, > > It is not that building, the floorplan has been edited with > sheetrock, hammers, and saws. > > It is in the student center, west-by-northwest of the > central fountain. If you get there, > there is an information booth and list of events. > They will direct you to the second floor mid-century > room, with the slide rule memorial. Keith, thank you for the directions. The guy at the information booth was aware of the WLUG meeting. > > Is there parking available in the West Street lot? The West Street lot was wide open. I didn't bother to get a pass from security, but I doubt they care much at that hour. I enjoyed seeing all the Raspbery Pi projects. I'll try and make it to some more meetings this year. Best, -Jamie

March 13, 2015

Re: [Wlug] REMINDER!! Meeting TONIGHT! March 12th, 2015!

by Tim Keller

I'll be bringing my Pi A+ plus my cobbler and some circuit stuff. Jamie, because of the snow parking will be a creative exercise... the lot that's on the corner of Institute and the road that goes down to tech pizza is always open. Keith: Rest up and recuperate! Thanks, Tim. On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 5:04 PM, JeffA Maillists <jeffa.maillists(a)gmail.com> wrote: > I am going to be coming tonight. I'll bring a HDMI->VGA adapter and some > of my Pis. ;-) > > Here's what I will be bringing from my 'collection'... ;-) > Raspberry Pi B+ > Raspberry Pi A+ > Raspberry Pi 2 Model B > ODROID-W > Banana Pi > > I'll bring a wireless kbd/touchpad combo too. > I may have a spare wifi router to bring to0... > > Jeff > > > On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 3:57 PM, Jamie Guinan <guinan(a)bluebutton.com> > wrote: > >> >> I haven't been to a WLUG meeting in ages. Is it still in the same >> building in the southwest corner of the quad? The floorplan link is >> dead, >> >> http://www.wpi.edu/Admin/CC/Floorplans/37678.htm >> >> Is there parking available in the West Street lot? >> >> Will there be WiFi and/or ethernet available for the Pis? Keyboard? >> HDMI monitor? >> >> -Jamie >> >> >> On Thu, 12 Mar 2015, Tim Keller wrote: >> >> > Hey Everybody, >> > >> > This is a reminder that tonight is WLUG! >> > >> > We'll be talking about the Raspberry Pi like devices that are now on the >> > market and the amazing stuff we can do with them. >> > Chuck is going to bring along a Pi like device to show off how open >> > hardware helps speed along the innovation curve! >> > >> > We'll be meeting in the usual spot, the Mid-Century Room (rm-331) at >> 7pm. >> > >> > I'll bring along snacks and drinks and afterwards we'll go out for >> pizza! >> > >> > See ya there! >> > >> > Later, >> > Tim. >> > >> > -- >> > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their >> > constituents as "consumers". >> > >> _______________________________________________ >> Wlug mailing list >> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

March 12, 2015

Re: [Wlug] REMINDER!! Meeting TONIGHT! March 12th, 2015!

by JeffA Maillists

I am going to be coming tonight. I'll bring a HDMI->VGA adapter and some of my Pis. ;-) Here's what I will be bringing from my 'collection'... ;-) Raspberry Pi B+ Raspberry Pi A+ Raspberry Pi 2 Model B ODROID-W Banana Pi I'll bring a wireless kbd/touchpad combo too. I may have a spare wifi router to bring to0... Jeff On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 3:57 PM, Jamie Guinan <guinan(a)bluebutton.com> wrote: > > I haven't been to a WLUG meeting in ages. Is it still in the same > building in the southwest corner of the quad? The floorplan link is > dead, > > http://www.wpi.edu/Admin/CC/Floorplans/37678.htm > > Is there parking available in the West Street lot? > > Will there be WiFi and/or ethernet available for the Pis? Keyboard? > HDMI monitor? > > -Jamie > > > On Thu, 12 Mar 2015, Tim Keller wrote: > > > Hey Everybody, > > > > This is a reminder that tonight is WLUG! > > > > We'll be talking about the Raspberry Pi like devices that are now on the > > market and the amazing stuff we can do with them. > > Chuck is going to bring along a Pi like device to show off how open > > hardware helps speed along the innovation curve! > > > > We'll be meeting in the usual spot, the Mid-Century Room (rm-331) at 7pm. > > > > I'll bring along snacks and drinks and afterwards we'll go out for pizza! > > > > See ya there! > > > > Later, > > Tim. > > > > -- > > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their > > constituents as "consumers". > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

March 12, 2015

Re: [Wlug] REMINDER!! Meeting TONIGHT! March 12th, 2015!

by Keith Wright

Jamie Guinan <guinan(a)bluebutton.com> writes: > I haven't been to a WLUG meeting in ages. Is it still in the same > building in the southwest corner of the quad? The floorplan link is > dead, It is not that building, the floorplan has been edited with sheetrock, hammers, and saws. It is in the student center, west-by-northwest of the central fountain. If you get there, there is an information booth and list of events. They will direct you to the second floor mid-century room, with the slide rule memorial. > Is there parking available in the West Street lot? > Will there be WiFi and/or ethernet available for the > Pis? Keyboard? HDMI monitor? I don't know. This email will be my interaction with WLUG for this month. I just got back from a 3-night stay in the hospital for surgery, and I am a bit tired. -- Keith

March 12, 2015

Re: [Wlug] REMINDER!! Meeting TONIGHT! March 12th, 2015!

by Jamie Guinan

I haven't been to a WLUG meeting in ages. Is it still in the same building in the southwest corner of the quad? The floorplan link is dead, http://www.wpi.edu/Admin/CC/Floorplans/37678.htm Is there parking available in the West Street lot? Will there be WiFi and/or ethernet available for the Pis? Keyboard? HDMI monitor? -Jamie On Thu, 12 Mar 2015, Tim Keller wrote: > Hey Everybody, > > This is a reminder that tonight is WLUG! > > We'll be talking about the Raspberry Pi like devices that are now on the > market and the amazing stuff we can do with them. > Chuck is going to bring along a Pi like device to show off how open > hardware helps speed along the innovation curve! > > We'll be meeting in the usual spot, the Mid-Century Room (rm-331) at 7pm. > > I'll bring along snacks and drinks and afterwards we'll go out for pizza! > > See ya there! > > Later, > Tim. > > -- > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their > constituents as "consumers". >

March 12, 2015

REMINDER!! Meeting TONIGHT! March 12th, 2015!

by Tim Keller

Hey Everybody, This is a reminder that tonight is WLUG! We'll be talking about the Raspberry Pi like devices that are now on the market and the amazing stuff we can do with them. Chuck is going to bring along a Pi like device to show off how open hardware helps speed along the innovation curve! We'll be meeting in the usual spot, the Mid-Century Room (rm-331) at 7pm. I'll bring along snacks and drinks and afterwards we'll go out for pizza! See ya there! Later, Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

March 12, 2015

March Meeting Reminder!!!! Thursday March 12th 2015 at 7pm in the Mid Century Room (rm 331)

by Tim Keller

Hey Everybody! This Thursday (March 12th) we've got our monthly WLUG meeting! Same bat time, same bat channel! This month we're going to be talking about the Raspberry Pi. It's come along way since the "A" model has come out! Also because the Pi is open lots of compatible Pi like devices have come on the market as well. Chuck has offered to show off his ODROID-C1 <http://www.hardkernel.com/main/products/prdt_info.php> I'll bring along my Pi and the GPIO stuff. If you've got a Pi, bring it along and we can talk shop and swap ideas! Per our standard convention I'll bring along the soda and chips and afterwards we'll continue to conversation while stuffing ourselves with Tech Pizza. Later, Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

March 10, 2015

Re: [Wlug] Meeting reminder! Next Meeting Thursday March 12th 2015!!!

by Tim Keller

That would be awesome! I can bring along my pi and my automatic Christmas waterer as well, so people can see what the gpio stuff looks like. Sent from my iPad > On Mar 2, 2015, at 7:30 PM, Chuck Anderson <cra(a)WPI.EDU> wrote: > > I could bring my ODROID-C1 in, which is similar to Raspberry Pi 2, but > with some extra features. We might even have a Raspberry Pi 2 to > bring in to compare with. > > I just upgraded my FreeNAS and loaded the newest Logitech Media Server > onto it. I've been reading about how you can run LMS, SqueezeBox > emulator clients, and AirPlay-compatible servers on RPi, ODROID, etc. > Perhaps I could demo something along those lines. LMS + SqueezeLite > allows you to create a whole-house synchronized audio system with > multiple listening points over Wi-Fi or ethernet (or each client can > stream different things). > >> On Mon, Mar 02, 2015 at 05:36:40PM -0500, Tim Keller wrote: >> Hey Everybody! >> >> The next WLUG meeting is Thursday March 12th at 7pm in the mid century room >> (rm 331)! As of right now, I don't have a speaker lined up! >> >> If anybody has an ache to present something, have at it. Otherwise, we >> could do an open discussion meeting since we haven't had one of those in a >> while. >> >> I know in the past there's been some serious interest in what can be done >> with a raspberry pi. >> >> Like always they'll be refreshments and snacks followed by an egregious >> consumption of pizza. >> >> Thanks, >> Tim. > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

March 3, 2015

Re: [Wlug] Meeting reminder! Next Meeting Thursday March 12th 2015!!!

by JeffA Maillists

I just got a Raspberry Pi 2 in a few days ago... I haven't had time to tinker with it yet. ;-) Jeff On Mon, Mar 2, 2015 at 7:30 PM, Chuck Anderson <cra(a)wpi.edu> wrote: > I could bring my ODROID-C1 in, which is similar to Raspberry Pi 2, but > with some extra features. We might even have a Raspberry Pi 2 to > bring in to compare with. > > I just upgraded my FreeNAS and loaded the newest Logitech Media Server > onto it. I've been reading about how you can run LMS, SqueezeBox > emulator clients, and AirPlay-compatible servers on RPi, ODROID, etc. > Perhaps I could demo something along those lines. LMS + SqueezeLite > allows you to create a whole-house synchronized audio system with > multiple listening points over Wi-Fi or ethernet (or each client can > stream different things). > > On Mon, Mar 02, 2015 at 05:36:40PM -0500, Tim Keller wrote: > > Hey Everybody! > > > > The next WLUG meeting is Thursday March 12th at 7pm in the mid century > room > > (rm 331)! As of right now, I don't have a speaker lined up! > > > > If anybody has an ache to present something, have at it. Otherwise, we > > could do an open discussion meeting since we haven't had one of those in > a > > while. > > > > I know in the past there's been some serious interest in what can be done > > with a raspberry pi. > > > > Like always they'll be refreshments and snacks followed by an egregious > > consumption of pizza. > > > > Thanks, > > Tim. > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

March 3, 2015

Re: [Wlug] Meeting reminder! Next Meeting Thursday March 12th 2015!!!

by Chuck Anderson

I could bring my ODROID-C1 in, which is similar to Raspberry Pi 2, but with some extra features. We might even have a Raspberry Pi 2 to bring in to compare with. I just upgraded my FreeNAS and loaded the newest Logitech Media Server onto it. I've been reading about how you can run LMS, SqueezeBox emulator clients, and AirPlay-compatible servers on RPi, ODROID, etc. Perhaps I could demo something along those lines. LMS + SqueezeLite allows you to create a whole-house synchronized audio system with multiple listening points over Wi-Fi or ethernet (or each client can stream different things). On Mon, Mar 02, 2015 at 05:36:40PM -0500, Tim Keller wrote: > Hey Everybody! > > The next WLUG meeting is Thursday March 12th at 7pm in the mid century room > (rm 331)! As of right now, I don't have a speaker lined up! > > If anybody has an ache to present something, have at it. Otherwise, we > could do an open discussion meeting since we haven't had one of those in a > while. > > I know in the past there's been some serious interest in what can be done > with a raspberry pi. > > Like always they'll be refreshments and snacks followed by an egregious > consumption of pizza. > > Thanks, > Tim.

March 3, 2015

Meeting reminder! Next Meeting Thursday March 12th 2015!!!

by Tim Keller

Hey Everybody! The next WLUG meeting is Thursday March 12th at 7pm in the mid century room (rm 331)! As of right now, I don't have a speaker lined up! If anybody has an ache to present something, have at it. Otherwise, we could do an open discussion meeting since we haven't had one of those in a while. I know in the past there's been some serious interest in what can be done with a raspberry pi. Like always they'll be refreshments and snacks followed by an egregious consumption of pizza. Thanks, Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

March 2, 2015

Linux kernel/driver contract in RI

by John Spencer

We have a client with a 6+ month contract opening for a Linux expert in RI, south of Providence. Linux internals Device Driver Development Extensive experience with Linux Kernel Architecture development and configuration including Linux OS System Kernel Programming Board Support Package experience Ability to configure, build and release cross platform Linux tool chains. Please contact me directly via email or phone (below) for more details. Regards, John Spencer Connected Systems Partners Office: (978) 455-5550 x208 Cell: (978) 621-9743 jspencer(a)connectedsp.com<mailto:jspencer@connectedsp.com> www.connectedsp.com<http://www.connectedsp.com/> GET CONNECTED! All information in this email, unless indicated otherwise in the body of the email, is considered confidential and intended for the view and use of the recipient(s) only.

Feb. 26, 2015

Re: [Wlug] Speech recognition software

by Randall Mason

Sphinx is the gold standard open source part that people plug into other systems. You can read about Firefox integrating it here: https://hacks.mozilla.org/2014/09/enabling-voice-input-into-the-open-web-an… And a module that is compiled to JavaScript: http://syl22-00.github.io/pocketsphinx.js/live-demo.html They work best with a limited vocabulary, but both are offline. If you are willing to send your days to Google, chromium can be set up with an API key that will send everything to your nearest Google server. Somebody has a not so bad library here: https://www.talater.com/annyang/ It actually uses the same web standard API as the one that should land in Firefox soon, when that above bug is resolved. On Feb 21, 2015 3:06 PM, "Andy Stewart" <andystewart(a)comcast.net> wrote: > > HI everybody, > > Do any of you have experience or recommendations with any Free Software > that does speech recognition? > > Thanks, > > Andy > > -- > Andy Stewart (KB1OIQ) > Founder: Worcester Linux Users' Group > Founder: Chelmsford Linux Meetup Group > President: PART of Westford, MA (WB1GOF) > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

Feb. 21, 2015

Re: [Wlug] Speech recognition software

by Andy Stewart

On 02/21/2015 09:40 AM, David Glaser wrote: > Hi Andy, > > What sort of requirements do you have. > > Does the voice recognition system need to be locally resident or can the > "recognition" part be sent off to a server. This determines the local > resource requirements. For local processing you need lots of memory and > a ghz processor. Remote recognition leaves you at the whim of the > service - think samsung tv or google's data collection. > > What sort of response times do you need? That is, how many seconds > between uttering the voice and receiving a response. > > Do you need single word recognition, phrase recognition or whole > sentence recognition? > > -David > > On 02/21/2015 08:05 AM, Andy Stewart wrote: >> HI everybody, >> >> Do any of you have experience or recommendations with any Free Software >> that does speech recognition? >> >> Thanks, >> >> Andy Hi David, I'm asking for my sister, who is asking for a friend. I'm going to guess (until I get more information), that this is a speech-to-text application that is needed. Andy -- Andy Stewart (KB1OIQ) Founder: Worcester Linux Users' Group Founder: Chelmsford Linux Meetup Group President: PART of Westford, MA (WB1GOF)

Feb. 21, 2015

Re: [Wlug] Speech recognition software

by David Glaser

Hi Andy, What sort of requirements do you have. Does the voice recognition system need to be locally resident or can the "recognition" part be sent off to a server. This determines the local resource requirements. For local processing you need lots of memory and a ghz processor. Remote recognition leaves you at the whim of the service - think samsung tv or google's data collection. What sort of response times do you need? That is, how many seconds between uttering the voice and receiving a response. Do you need single word recognition, phrase recognition or whole sentence recognition? -David On 02/21/2015 08:05 AM, Andy Stewart wrote: > HI everybody, > > Do any of you have experience or recommendations with any Free Software > that does speech recognition? > > Thanks, > > Andy >

Feb. 21, 2015

Speech recognition software

by Andy Stewart

HI everybody, Do any of you have experience or recommendations with any Free Software that does speech recognition? Thanks, Andy -- Andy Stewart (KB1OIQ) Founder: Worcester Linux Users' Group Founder: Chelmsford Linux Meetup Group President: PART of Westford, MA (WB1GOF)

Feb. 21, 2015

Pile o Hardware for sale (some free)

by Pete Wason

Hi, I have a pile of Dell desktops and servers for sale. And a bunch of other stuff. Some for free as it is either very old or misbehaving in some way. (6) Precision 690 workstations, some missing memory and/or drives, all functional. multi-RAID, multi-monitor. Giant 90lb. boxes, all metal. (4) PowerEdge R300 1U rackmount servers, some missing memory and/or (SAS) drives, all functional. (3) PowerEdge SC1420 tower servers, one has a RAID5 SCSI array, all functional. (2) XPS GEN 4/5 workstations (gaming boxes from early '00s), w/ RAID1. Working. A few Optiplex 740s, some working, some not. 2.9Ghz Athlon II 64 CPUs. Most need memory. PowerEdge SC600, needs new fan and PS. Pentiam 2.4Ghz. PowerEdge 2400, monster of a case, 8? SCSI drives in 2 arrays, dual PIII CPUs, makes an excellent bench+space heater. A few older Dell desktops like a Dim 4550, Dim 5100, Opti 280GX, etc. Working. Miscellaneous used HDs, D-Dock docking stations w/ removable HD modules, video cables, video cards, et al. Broken 6-tape DDS4 autochanger, some new 20/40GB tapes 4-5 monitors which may be fixable; Samsung 20" 4/3 Cavalier 2-bay external RAID box, working w/ (2) 500GB drives G-RAID 5-bay hot-swap enclosure, gutted, (was thinking about turning it into a mini-PC or a SCSI-tower for my Amiga :) Other stuff.. No warranties, obviously. Caveat emptor, blah blah blah blah, yada yada.. If interested I can send you specs directly. Nothing individually priced higher than $375. Volume (or tonnage) discounts are available. Please reply to: pwason(a)clarku.edu -- Pete Wason * Hy Noom Publications * 5088655414 * codevark(a)aim.com * codevark "Aborigine left speechless by steady disappearance of native dialects." -- The Onion

Feb. 17, 2015

Re: [Wlug] Wireless mesh network question

by Randall Mason

Every access point on the same channel (as well as every client) shares bandwidth. If all of the networking is happening on channel one, with two clients, you would end up with 1/6 the bandwidth. The problem isn't interference, it's making a 6 lane highway a two lane road. If you use distinct, but overlapping channels, you end up with radio level interference, so not shared bandwidth, but lots of retransmits when both are active. The best case is using the non overlapping channels which allows you full bandwidth and very low interference. So I would have your backbone on some far channel from your clients, or your chatty mesh protocol will slow the normal clients to a crawl. You could even use the three distinct channels so that one is backbone and the other two are not overlapping where the two circles fall in the same territory. On Feb 16, 2015 7:00 PM, "Andy Stewart" <andystewart(a)comcast.net> wrote: > > HI gang, > > I setup an experiment with all of the wifi access on one channel. WiCD > saw both access points with the same SSID and wifi channel. Connecting > to either of them seems to have no ill effects. > > Andy > > -- > Andy Stewart (KB1OIQ) > Founder: Worcester Linux Users' Group > Founder: Chelmsford Linux Meetup Group > President: PART of Westford, MA (WB1GOF) > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

Feb. 16, 2015

Re: [Wlug] Wireless mesh network question

by Michael Limanni

75 degrees! On 2/16/2015 11:59 AM, Andy Stewart wrote: > HI gang, > > I setup an experiment with all of the wifi access on one channel. WiCD > saw both access points with the same SSID and wifi channel. Connecting > to either of them seems to have no ill effects. > > Andy >

Feb. 16, 2015

Re: [Wlug] Wireless mesh network question

by Frank Sweetser

As long as all of the APs are on either matching or non-overlapping channels, you should be fine. In practice, this means you'll get the best overall throughput by evenly distributing them across channels 1, 6, and 11. You *might* be able to get away with channel 14 (this is outside of the normal part 15 regs, but you can probably legally get away with it since you're licensed), but you may have strange results if you're trying to have standard wifi clients connecting to them, as some of them are set up only for US options and won't look at that channel at all. Frank Sweetser fs at wpi.edu | For every problem, there is a solution that Manager of Network Operations | is simple, elegant, and wrong. Worcester Polytechnic Institute | - HL Mencken On 02/16/2015 11:39 AM, Andy Stewart wrote: > > HI guys, > > I am planning to setup a wireless mesh network at a ham radio event in June. > > Each mesh node will consist of two Linksys WRT54GLs, much like the demo > I showed at a recent WLUG meeting. > > One of the WRT54GLs will be on channel 6 and carry mesh network traffic. > The other one will be on channel 1 and allow generic wifi devices > access to the mesh network. > > It seems like there would be an interference problem if every node > allowed wifi access on channel 1. Should this be 4 different wifi > channels? It is possible for a user to be within radio range of > multiple of them simultaneously. > > Thoughts? I've never setup a wireless network before and could use your > advice. These mesh nodes will be placed outside in weatherproof > enclosures with battery power. > > Thanks! > > Andy >

Feb. 16, 2015

Re: [Wlug] Wireless mesh network question

by Andy Stewart

HI gang, I setup an experiment with all of the wifi access on one channel. WiCD saw both access points with the same SSID and wifi channel. Connecting to either of them seems to have no ill effects. Andy -- Andy Stewart (KB1OIQ) Founder: Worcester Linux Users' Group Founder: Chelmsford Linux Meetup Group President: PART of Westford, MA (WB1GOF)

Feb. 16, 2015

Wireless mesh network question

by Andy Stewart

HI guys, I am planning to setup a wireless mesh network at a ham radio event in June. Each mesh node will consist of two Linksys WRT54GLs, much like the demo I showed at a recent WLUG meeting. One of the WRT54GLs will be on channel 6 and carry mesh network traffic. The other one will be on channel 1 and allow generic wifi devices access to the mesh network. It seems like there would be an interference problem if every node allowed wifi access on channel 1. Should this be 4 different wifi channels? It is possible for a user to be within radio range of multiple of them simultaneously. Thoughts? I've never setup a wireless network before and could use your advice. These mesh nodes will be placed outside in weatherproof enclosures with battery power. Thanks! Andy -- Andy Stewart (KB1OIQ) Founder: Worcester Linux Users' Group Founder: Chelmsford Linux Meetup Group President: PART of Westford, MA (WB1GOF)

Feb. 16, 2015

Reminder! Meeting tomorrow! Feb. 12th 2015 at 7pm (Mid-Century Room) rm 331!

by Tim Keller

Hey Everybody, This is just a quick reminder that we're having a meeting tomorrow at 7pm in the Mid-Century Room (rm 331) in the student center. Andy is going to be giving a talk about mesh networking! Afterwards we'll do pizza at Tech! Refreshments will be provided at the meeting as well. Later, Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

Feb. 11, 2015

Re: [Wlug] sshd_config MaxStartups

by Randall Mason

Maybe it's from a time when servers had fewer resources. If your server would run out of memory with 20 concurrent attempted logins, you may want to have that set to 20, else you should end up with a bigger DOS than if you were just able to prevent ssh logins. The same would be true with bandwidth. If you were on dialup, for example, you may want to make sure that you aren't overwhelming your connection, such that if you can only support 20 concurrent real time logins, you wouldn't end up with a terrible degradation in service. Not that it's too popular to run services on your bandwidth capped 2G internet connection... Sitting at a login prompt on my ARM NAS gives me this: sshd: Virt: 11672 Res: 5280 Shared: 4584 So it seems that I'm wasting 5MB of my 256MB of memory on my NAS when somebody just hangs at the login prompt. I could fairly easily DOS my little NAS by just running `while [ 1 ]; do ssh <box> & done`, couldn't I? Are you really using more than 10 connections sitting at a login prompt? What are they being used for? Is the system powerful enough to handle many concurrent logins? I think that today you should probably have this set up with a combination of dynamic blacklists (BlockHosts or sshguard) and this option, if your server is truly needing more resources. That way all of the failed logins don't eat up your cap for too long. The nice thing about the percent number is that it gives you, as an administrator, at least some chance of logging in before the system is so overloaded that you could never get in and start killing things. It could be that because ssh is becoming more of a transport layer than just a remote tty, this option is less useful. At Github for example, most of the unauthenticated connections that github has should just be dropped quickly because nobody uses password authentication. Randall Mason clashthebunny(a)gmail.com On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 9:46 AM, Jamie Guinan <guinan(a)bluebutton.com> wrote: > > Hi Group! > > I'm seeking opinions about an sshd feature. > > I was doing some work on a remote system (I did not set it up) that > seemed to be refusing ssh and scp connections randomly. > > I looked into it, and finally stumbled across this from sshd_config(5), > > MaxStartups > Specifies the maximum number of concurrent unauthenticated > connections to the SSH daemon. > Additional connections will be dropped until authentication > succeeds or the LoginGraceTime > expires for a connection. The default is 10. > > Alternatively, random early drop can be enabled by specifying > the three colon separated val‐ > ues “start:rate:full” (e.g. "10:30:60"). sshd(8) will refuse > connection attempts with a > probability of “rate/100” (30%) if there are currently > “start” (10) unauthenticated connec‐ > tions. The probability increases linearly and all connection > attempts are refused if the > number of unauthenticated connections reaches “full” (60). > > Indeed, the server had this setting, > > MaxStartups 10:50:20 > > This just seems like a terrible option. You can DOS their server just > by making 20 connections and leaving them hanging. And it breaks any > automated scripts relying on ssh or scp (unless you wrap them in a > loop until they succeed, ugh). > > My guess is that the reasoning behind this feature that it will filter > out a number of automated attacks. That seems no better than > security-by-obscurity, and I know how some of you feel about that. :) > > Can you think of any sane reason to enable this feature, or for it to > even exist at all? > > Best regards, > -Jamie > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > >

Feb. 11, 2015

sshd_config MaxStartups

by Jamie Guinan

Hi Group! I'm seeking opinions about an sshd feature. I was doing some work on a remote system (I did not set it up) that seemed to be refusing ssh and scp connections randomly. I looked into it, and finally stumbled across this from sshd_config(5), MaxStartups Specifies the maximum number of concurrent unauthenticated connections to the SSH daemon. Additional connections will be dropped until authentication succeeds or the LoginGraceTime expires for a connection. The default is 10. Alternatively, random early drop can be enabled by specifying the three colon separated val‐ ues “start:rate:full” (e.g. "10:30:60"). sshd(8) will refuse connection attempts with a probability of “rate/100” (30%) if there are currently “start” (10) unauthenticated connec‐ tions. The probability increases linearly and all connection attempts are refused if the number of unauthenticated connections reaches “full” (60). Indeed, the server had this setting, MaxStartups 10:50:20 This just seems like a terrible option. You can DOS their server just by making 20 connections and leaving them hanging. And it breaks any automated scripts relying on ssh or scp (unless you wrap them in a loop until they succeed, ugh). My guess is that the reasoning behind this feature that it will filter out a number of automated attacks. That seems no better than security-by-obscurity, and I know how some of you feel about that. :) Can you think of any sane reason to enable this feature, or for it to even exist at all? Best regards, -Jamie

Feb. 11, 2015

Re: [Wlug] linux networking question (reformatted for readability)

by Frank Sweetser

On 2/7/2015 5:14 PM, Brad wrote: > On Sat, Feb 07, 2015 at 04:40:36PM -0500, Frank Sweetser wrote: >> This is just a rough guess, but did you ever check on the state tables >> in your openbsd firewall? >> > I did not check the state tables in the OpenBSD firewall. I figured > since it had just been forcefully reboot the state tables were > coherent. It's not just a simple question of the firewall state table being internally consistent, it also has to be consistent with both the NAT gateway and what the clients are expecting. When one of your internal clients makes an outgoing connection, both the firewall and NAT tables have to have entries added to accommodate the return traffic - a translation rule in the NAT table, and an allow rule in the firewall. If either of those aren't correct, the return traffic won't make it back to the client. >> In your setup you have state distributed >> amongst your clients, your firewall, and you NAT gateway, and unless >> all three are in sync you can easily get the kind of possessed network >> behavior you describe. >> > To properly exorcize should i pour holy-water over the routers? I always > figured some king of black magic was involved in routing. Simple routing, not so much - it's just packet go in, packet go out. It's when you throw state tables in that things start to get fragile. When you have strings of disconnected state tables that require consistency like this, it's not uncommon that you end up having to always reboot them together. > Is a bridged-firewall not a good idea in practice because it adds > another layer between the internat and the intranet, and could get out > of sync? The bridged portion itself isn't inherently much worse than doing a traditional layer 3 visible firewall, so long as you have your rules set up correctly to account for things like passing ARP traffic. Your typical all-in-one box is a little less likely to display this kind of weirdness only because they're combined on a single box, so a reboot will clear both out simultaneously. I would seriously suggest you check out pfSense. It's a FreeBSD based distribution designed to operate as a SOHO class firewall, with all of the usual NAT, DHCP, and other expected goodies. I think it's a pretty safe bet that it'll be a better router and firewall than OSX... -- Frank Sweetser fs at wpi.edu | For every problem, there is a solution that Manager of Network Operations | is simple, elegant, and wrong. Worcester Polytechnic Institute | - HL Mencken

Feb. 8, 2015

Re: [Wlug] linux networking question (reformatted for readability)

by Brad

On Sat, Feb 07, 2015 at 04:40:36PM -0500, Frank Sweetser wrote: > This is just a rough guess, but did you ever check on the state tables > in your openbsd firewall? > I did not check the state tables in the OpenBSD firewall. I figured since it had just been forcefully reboot the state tables were coherent. > In your setup you have state distributed > amongst your clients, your firewall, and you NAT gateway, and unless > all three are in sync you can easily get the kind of possessed network > behavior you describe. > To properly exorcize should i pour holy-water over the routers? I always figured some king of black magic was involved in routing. Is a bridged-firewall not a good idea in practice because it adds another layer between the internat and the intranet, and could get out of sync? Thanks for the ideas, - brad > On February 7, 2015 3:20:15 PM EST, Brad <bkn(a)ithryn.net> wrote: > >(i appologize for the previous message that i completely unreadable.) > > > >Dear W-LUGgers, > > > >I had some strange network related behavior that left me baffled and i > >wanted > >to hear some theories from more experienced network admins. > > > >The network layout is the following. The network is pretty simple, > >external > >traffic passes through a bridged-firewall (OpenBSD, my choice) into an > >OS X > >server (not my choice) which handles NAT/DHCP/DNS et al., and all the > >office > >computers are dhcp clients to the OS X server. The trouble machines are > >linux > >(ubuntu) desktop clients. > > > >The scenario is the following. I was doing work on the bridged firewall > >(OpenBSD) and somehow caused it to kernel panic, oopsie! So the > >bridged-firewall went down thus no-one had internet access, Dou! i > >quickly > >bounced the machine. It came back on-line and clients were able to > >access the > >internet, huzzah! But, the strange behavior was in two linux machines > >within > >the network that were not able to access some external IPs. My linux > >desktop > >could not access 8.8.8.8, when pinging, i could see an arp who-has > >request > >originating from my machine, i could see the packet come into the OS X > >server. > >But the request always went unanswered. The same behavior happened to > >another > >linux desktop but with 192.48.178.134 (sgi.com) My desktop could ping > >sgi.com. > >So each linux desktop had *different* unreachable IPs. The rest of the > >internet > >was reachable. I tried clearing the arp-cache on the OS X server, then > >clearing > >the NAT state tables, then I rebooted the OS X server, none solved the > >problem. > >I finally renewed the dhcp lease on my linux desktop machine and that > >allowed > >the ping to complete. > > > >What would case this behavior? Could it be stale arp-cache on the linux > >machine? ( I *should* have tried to clear the arp-cache on the linux > >machine > >before i renewed the dhcp lease, but i didn’t think of that until after > >the > >fact.) The linux machine was sending out arp who-has requests so would > >a stale > >cache even matter? Why would no one answer the arp requests? I am not > >an expert > >network admin (its just a side job since the company is only 15 > >people). I > >don’t expect to get a resolution but i’m interested to hear any > >theories. > > > >Thanks and cheers, — brad > > > >PS. As a worcester transplant to boston, i am really jealous i don’t > >live > >closer to attend meetings. The topics of late sound outstanding. > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Wlug mailing list > >Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > >http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > -- > Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.

Feb. 7, 2015

Re: [Wlug] linux networking question (reformatted for readability)

by Frank Sweetser

This is just a rough guess, but did you ever check on the state tables in your openbsd firewall? In your setup you have state distributed amongst your clients, your firewall, and you NAT gateway, and unless all three are in sync you can easily get the kind of possessed network behavior you describe. On February 7, 2015 3:20:15 PM EST, Brad <bkn(a)ithryn.net> wrote: >(i appologize for the previous message that i completely unreadable.) > >Dear W-LUGgers, > >I had some strange network related behavior that left me baffled and i >wanted >to hear some theories from more experienced network admins. > >The network layout is the following. The network is pretty simple, >external >traffic passes through a bridged-firewall (OpenBSD, my choice) into an >OS X >server (not my choice) which handles NAT/DHCP/DNS et al., and all the >office >computers are dhcp clients to the OS X server. The trouble machines are >linux >(ubuntu) desktop clients. > >The scenario is the following. I was doing work on the bridged firewall >(OpenBSD) and somehow caused it to kernel panic, oopsie! So the >bridged-firewall went down thus no-one had internet access, Dou! i >quickly >bounced the machine. It came back on-line and clients were able to >access the >internet, huzzah! But, the strange behavior was in two linux machines >within >the network that were not able to access some external IPs. My linux >desktop >could not access 8.8.8.8, when pinging, i could see an arp who-has >request >originating from my machine, i could see the packet come into the OS X >server. >But the request always went unanswered. The same behavior happened to >another >linux desktop but with 192.48.178.134 (sgi.com) My desktop could ping >sgi.com. >So each linux desktop had *different* unreachable IPs. The rest of the >internet >was reachable. I tried clearing the arp-cache on the OS X server, then >clearing >the NAT state tables, then I rebooted the OS X server, none solved the >problem. >I finally renewed the dhcp lease on my linux desktop machine and that >allowed >the ping to complete. > >What would case this behavior? Could it be stale arp-cache on the linux >machine? ( I *should* have tried to clear the arp-cache on the linux >machine >before i renewed the dhcp lease, but i didn’t think of that until after >the >fact.) The linux machine was sending out arp who-has requests so would >a stale >cache even matter? Why would no one answer the arp requests? I am not >an expert >network admin (its just a side job since the company is only 15 >people). I >don’t expect to get a resolution but i’m interested to hear any >theories. > >Thanks and cheers, — brad > >PS. As a worcester transplant to boston, i am really jealous i don’t >live >closer to attend meetings. The topics of late sound outstanding. > >_______________________________________________ >Wlug mailing list >Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.

Feb. 7, 2015

linux networking question (reformatted for readability)

by Brad

(i appologize for the previous message that i completely unreadable.) Dear W-LUGgers, I had some strange network related behavior that left me baffled and i wanted to hear some theories from more experienced network admins. The network layout is the following. The network is pretty simple, external traffic passes through a bridged-firewall (OpenBSD, my choice) into an OS X server (not my choice) which handles NAT/DHCP/DNS et al., and all the office computers are dhcp clients to the OS X server. The trouble machines are linux (ubuntu) desktop clients. The scenario is the following. I was doing work on the bridged firewall (OpenBSD) and somehow caused it to kernel panic, oopsie! So the bridged-firewall went down thus no-one had internet access, Dou! i quickly bounced the machine. It came back on-line and clients were able to access the internet, huzzah! But, the strange behavior was in two linux machines within the network that were not able to access some external IPs. My linux desktop could not access 8.8.8.8, when pinging, i could see an arp who-has request originating from my machine, i could see the packet come into the OS X server. But the request always went unanswered. The same behavior happened to another linux desktop but with 192.48.178.134 (sgi.com) My desktop could ping sgi.com. So each linux desktop had *different* unreachable IPs. The rest of the internet was reachable. I tried clearing the arp-cache on the OS X server, then clearing the NAT state tables, then I rebooted the OS X server, none solved the problem. I finally renewed the dhcp lease on my linux desktop machine and that allowed the ping to complete. What would case this behavior? Could it be stale arp-cache on the linux machine? ( I *should* have tried to clear the arp-cache on the linux machine before i renewed the dhcp lease, but i didn’t think of that until after the fact.) The linux machine was sending out arp who-has requests so would a stale cache even matter? Why would no one answer the arp requests? I am not an expert network admin (its just a side job since the company is only 15 people). I don’t expect to get a resolution but i’m interested to hear any theories. Thanks and cheers, — brad PS. As a worcester transplant to boston, i am really jealous i don’t live closer to attend meetings. The topics of late sound outstanding.

Feb. 7, 2015

linux networking question.

by Brad

Feb. 7, 2015

Re: [Wlug] Reminder: Next WLUG Meeting will be Thursday February 12th 2015 @ 7pm Rm 331 (Mid-Century Room)

by Andy Stewart

On 02/05/2015 10:29 AM, Tim Keller wrote: > Hey Everybody, > > I'm glad to announce that our founder Andy Stewart will be doing a talk > on wireless mesh networking! > I expect this talk will be both entertaining and interesting. > > Afterwards we'll be retiring to Tech for pizza! > > Date: Thursday February 12th, 2015 7pm-9pm > Location: WPI Campus Center, Mid-Century Room 331 > > Later, > Tim. HI WLUG, Thanks, Tim, for sending that notice to the WLUG membership. Specifically, I will be discussing Broadband-Hamnet (trademark), which is a mesh network designed by amateur radio operators, but can be used by mere mortals :-) as well. One can reflash many versions of the the Linksys WRT54G with this software and create your own mesh network, as has been done in Austin, TX and I believe Seattle, WA. Also, the Ubiquiti hardware can be used. I will have slides and a few Linksys boxes to demonstrate the concept. Feel free to bring your laptop to connect to the demo network. One can connect via an ethernet cable (bring your own) or wirelessly. For more information: http://www.broadband-hamnet.org I look forward to seeing you at the meeting, and joining you afterwards for pizza. Andy -- Andy Stewart (KB1OIQ) Founder: Worcester Linux Users' Group Founder: Chelmsford Linux Meetup Group President: PART of Westford, MA (WB1GOF)

Feb. 6, 2015

Opening, C++/Linux SW Eng, Permanent; Johnston, RI

by Tim Longua

Our Client in Johnston, RI is looking for a Software Engineer to help in the design and development of an exciting next generation platform. This candidate will be working with cutting edge tools and technologies. Requirements Include: * 7 + years C/C++ experience developing commercial products * Experience developing distributed systems and applications on RedHat Linux or Embedded Linux is required * Multithreaded and object oriented design experience * Oracle, MySQL, or other database experience * TCP/IP, Socket Programming, Qt and Hadoop are all plusses If interested please send your resume to timL (at) connectedsp.com. Regards, Tim Longua Connected Systems Partners Connecting Top Talent with Top Companies Office: 978-455-5550 x206 Cell: 603-303-8978 timL(a)connectedsp.com<mailto:jspencer@connectedsp.com> www.connectedsp.com<www.connectedsp.com%20> GET CONNECTED! Unless otherwise explicitly instructed by sender, all information in this email is considered confidential and intended for the view and use of the recipient(s) only.

Feb. 5, 2015

Reminder: Next WLUG Meeting will be Thursday February 12th 2015 @ 7pm Rm 331 (Mid-Century Room)

by Tim Keller

Hey Everybody, I'm glad to announce that our founder Andy Stewart will be doing a talk on wireless mesh networking! I expect this talk will be both entertaining and interesting. Afterwards we'll be retiring to Tech for pizza! Date: Thursday February 12th, 2015 7pm-9pm Location: WPI Campus Center, Mid-Century Room 331 Later, Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

Feb. 5, 2015

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by Colin Novick

Anyone here ever use JGAAP, the authorship Java JAR program? http://evllabs.com/jgaap/w/index.php/Main_Page It is returning errors, and sadly, I do not know enough to interpret the terminal lines to figure out why it keeps returning errors when you run the analysis, even if you try it in various ways. The program is clearly running but there is a catch. Anyone out there familiar with this? Thanks guys! Colin

Jan. 27, 2015

Re: [Wlug] The speaker for the February meeting has been lined up!

by Tim Keller

For the holidays I setup my raspberry pi to act as an automatic christmas tree waterier. Thus I've become quite acquainted with the GPIO (General Purpose I/O) pins on the raspberry pi. I could definitely give a talk that would be a primer on controlling TTL devices using a raspberry pi and python. On Mon, Jan 26, 2015 at 2:45 PM, David Glaser <dglaser(a)glaserresearch.net> wrote: > Regarding SDN, the following link is rather interesting. > > > http://www.att.com/Common/about_us/pdf/AT&T%20Domain%202.0%20Vision%20White… > > -David > > On 01/26/2015 12:49 PM, Frank Sweetser wrote: > > I've been watching the whole software defined network mania fairly > closely, > > and while I honestly don't even know what a presentation about it would > look > > like, I'd always be happy to just chat for a while about if it there's > > interest. (One little teaser - a good segment of it involves running > Linux > > directly on enterprise class network gear!) > > > > Frank Sweetser fs at wpi.edu | For every problem, there is a > solution that > > Manager of Network Operations | is simple, elegant, and wrong. > > Worcester Polytechnic Institute | - HL Mencken > > > > On 01/21/2015 10:43 AM, Tim Keller wrote: > >> Hey Everybody, > >> > >> Great news! Andy will be speaking at the Feb. meeting! He's going to > be > >> doing a talk on Mesh networking. I figure this will "mesh" nicely with > >> Frank's talk about 802.11/[nn]/ networking. Once I get the official > title for > >> the talk I'll send out a more official reminder. > >> > >> On a different note... Is there anything that people are interested in > that we > >> could work on lining up speakers for? > >> > >> Here's a couple of ideas... > >> * Software defined networking > >> * Robotics > >> * Home automation > >> > >> > >> -- > >> I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their > >> constituents as "consumers". > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Wlug mailing list > >> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > >> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > Wlug mailing list > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

Jan. 26, 2015

Re: [Wlug] The speaker for the February meeting has been lined up!

by David Glaser

Regarding SDN, the following link is rather interesting. http://www.att.com/Common/about_us/pdf/AT&T%20Domain%202.0%20Vision%20White… -David On 01/26/2015 12:49 PM, Frank Sweetser wrote: > I've been watching the whole software defined network mania fairly closely, > and while I honestly don't even know what a presentation about it would look > like, I'd always be happy to just chat for a while about if it there's > interest. (One little teaser - a good segment of it involves running Linux > directly on enterprise class network gear!) > > Frank Sweetser fs at wpi.edu | For every problem, there is a solution that > Manager of Network Operations | is simple, elegant, and wrong. > Worcester Polytechnic Institute | - HL Mencken > > On 01/21/2015 10:43 AM, Tim Keller wrote: >> Hey Everybody, >> >> Great news! Andy will be speaking at the Feb. meeting! He's going to be >> doing a talk on Mesh networking. I figure this will "mesh" nicely with >> Frank's talk about 802.11/[nn]/ networking. Once I get the official title for >> the talk I'll send out a more official reminder. >> >> On a different note... Is there anything that people are interested in that we >> could work on lining up speakers for? >> >> Here's a couple of ideas... >> * Software defined networking >> * Robotics >> * Home automation >> >> >> -- >> I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their >> constituents as "consumers". >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wlug mailing list >> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >> > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

Jan. 26, 2015

Re: [Wlug] The speaker for the February meeting has been lined up!

by Frank Sweetser

I've been watching the whole software defined network mania fairly closely, and while I honestly don't even know what a presentation about it would look like, I'd always be happy to just chat for a while about if it there's interest. (One little teaser - a good segment of it involves running Linux directly on enterprise class network gear!) Frank Sweetser fs at wpi.edu | For every problem, there is a solution that Manager of Network Operations | is simple, elegant, and wrong. Worcester Polytechnic Institute | - HL Mencken On 01/21/2015 10:43 AM, Tim Keller wrote: > Hey Everybody, > > Great news! Andy will be speaking at the Feb. meeting! He's going to be > doing a talk on Mesh networking. I figure this will "mesh" nicely with > Frank's talk about 802.11/[nn]/ networking. Once I get the official title for > the talk I'll send out a more official reminder. > > On a different note... Is there anything that people are interested in that we > could work on lining up speakers for? > > Here's a couple of ideas... > * Software defined networking > * Robotics > * Home automation > > > -- > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their > constituents as "consumers". > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

Jan. 26, 2015

Re: [Wlug] The speaker for the February meeting has been lined up!

by Frank Sweetser

I'd say that cool new projects around a Pi would always be welcome, and blocking telemarketers and scammers *definitely* fits that criteria =) Also, as for the octoprint, we may have a 3d printer and octopi rig up and running in time for the next meeting (we're waiting on some a replacement for some defective parts) so we could certainly bring ours over across campus. Frank Sweetser fs at wpi.edu | For every problem, there is a solution that Manager of Network Operations | is simple, elegant, and wrong. Worcester Polytechnic Institute | - HL Mencken On 01/24/2015 01:34 PM, JeffA Maillists wrote: > Hi Tim, > > I don't get to the meetings that often, but any of those subjects would be > great IMHO. > > While not specifically Linux related, maybe one on 3D printing would be > cool? I don't have a 3D printer myself as of yet, but a buddy of mine does, > and it's pretty awesome. It's amazing what you can create once it's 'dialed > in' and you learn how to use it properly. (IE: The proper temperatures for > the hotend and bed for different filaments and how to get the plastic to stay > 'stuck' to the print bed.) And actually, there _is_ a Linux component to his > printer now, lol. We setup a Raspberry Pi running "OctoPrint" on Raspibian to > not only control his printer, but it gives it an HTML interface, wireless > networking, a webcam monitor and time lapse function. It's really cool! > > Speaking of the Raspberry Pi, maybe a night about the Pi, the various > models (A, B, B+ and the new A+) and some projects that use them would be of > interest. > > For instance, one of my current projects is taking a Dummy Security Camera > and converting it into a real HD Wireless Security Camera by putting a > Raspberry Pi A+ with a camera and Wifi inside the dummy camera. (the A+ is > quite small, so it fits quite well - all the other models won't fit without > some potentially serious modifications to the Pi, the Camera case, or both.) > > One of my other projects is what I've named the 'ScamStopper', it's > basically a smart call blocker. It's my solution to stopping the Jamaican > Lottery Scammers from getting through to my 93yo Grandmother. It answers any > 'unknown' caller with a message (even a custom message for the Jamaican > scammers) and doesn't even ring her phone. Only "Known" phone numbers are > passed through, sans the first ring. (And yes, we've changed her number a > couple of times, but she replies to these 'surveys' and lottery 'entries' all > too often, so they end up getting her new number.) Anyways, It's quite a hack > in it's current incarnation, but it works well. It cost me about $125 just in > components to build this working proof-of-concept. I am working on refining > it to cut the cost down and hopefully produce a product I can bring to market. > (IE: I'm currently using a $20 USB Modem to get the CallerID, a $40 Call > Blocker device to suppress the first ring on her phone, and a $10 USB sound > card [as the built-in audio was causing kernel panics, plus I wanted to be > able to record on the Pi too, but haven't worked that out yet.]) > > It might also be cool to cover the Banana Pi, which is a more expensive, > but more powerful version of a Pi (dual core processor, 1GB ram, SATA, etc) I > have one, but really haven't done anything with it yet, unless you count > installing the "Bananaized" version of Raspibian and tinkering a little bit. > It's much faster than a Raspberry Pi, thanks to the dual cores and 1GB ram... > I haven't decided what I'm going to use it for yet. > > Anyways, sorry about the 'book', and I hope you find my suggestion(s) > helpful. I hope to be a more frequent attendee now that I actually live in > Worcester again... > > Jeff > > > On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 10:43 AM, Tim Keller <turbofx(a)gmail.com > <mailto:turbofx@gmail.com>> wrote: > > Hey Everybody, > > Great news! Andy will be speaking at the Feb. meeting! He's going to be > doing a talk on Mesh networking. I figure this will "mesh" nicely with > Frank's talk about 802.11/[nn]/ networking. Once I get the official title > for the talk I'll send out a more official reminder. > > On a different note... Is there anything that people are interested in > that we could work on lining up speakers for? > > Here's a couple of ideas... > * Software defined networking > * Robotics > * Home automation > > > -- > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their > constituents as "consumers". > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org <mailto:Wlug@mail.wlug.org> > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

Jan. 26, 2015

Re: [Wlug] The speaker for the February meeting has been lined up!

by Keith Wright

JeffA Maillists <jeffa.maillists(a)gmail.com> writes: > I don't get to the meetings that often, but any of > those subjects would be great IMHO. Great subject indeed. You should get to meetings more often. > While not specifically Linux related, maybe one on 3D > printing would be cool? Like the one listed on http://www.wlug.org/ ? May 8, 2014 - Kevin Harrington - Tour of Technocopia hackerspace & talk on OpenSCAD More fully described in email: > Date: Fri, 2 May 2014 18:43:00 -0400 > From: Chuck Anderson <cra(a)WPI.EDU> > To: Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> > > Kevin Harrington has volunteered to give WLUG a tour > of Technocopia, a new maker/hacker space just a few > blocks from campus. > > So here's the plan: > > WLUG Meeting Thursday, May 8 2014. > > 7:00 PM meet at WPI Campus Center, Chairman's Room. > > 7:15 PM or so, head down to Technocopia, 95 Prescott Street, > Worcester, MA 01605 > > More information about the hackerspace is available here: > > http://technocopia.org/ This was indeed one of the more interesting meetings we have had. I enjoyed the field trip through the strange part of town, to the nest of self-reprocucing robots. > Speaking of the Raspberry Pi, maybe a night about the > Pi, the various models (A, B, B+ and the new A+) and > some projects that use them would be of interest. Like <ditto>? February 13, 2013 - Chuck Anderson - More Raspberry Pi Of course, it is not true that a subject can be covered once and forgotten. Do it again, in greater depth, from a different perspective, with latest news updates, in French with a Jazz harmony---OK maybe not that last. -- Keith

Jan. 25, 2015

Re: [Wlug] The speaker for the February meeting has been lined up!

by JeffA Maillists

Hi Tim, I don't get to the meetings that often, but any of those subjects would be great IMHO. While not specifically Linux related, maybe one on 3D printing would be cool? I don't have a 3D printer myself as of yet, but a buddy of mine does, and it's pretty awesome. It's amazing what you can create once it's 'dialed in' and you learn how to use it properly. (IE: The proper temperatures for the hotend and bed for different filaments and how to get the plastic to stay 'stuck' to the print bed.) And actually, there _is_ a Linux component to his printer now, lol. We setup a Raspberry Pi running "OctoPrint" on Raspibian to not only control his printer, but it gives it an HTML interface, wireless networking, a webcam monitor and time lapse function. It's really cool! Speaking of the Raspberry Pi, maybe a night about the Pi, the various models (A, B, B+ and the new A+) and some projects that use them would be of interest. For instance, one of my current projects is taking a Dummy Security Camera and converting it into a real HD Wireless Security Camera by putting a Raspberry Pi A+ with a camera and Wifi inside the dummy camera. (the A+ is quite small, so it fits quite well - all the other models won't fit without some potentially serious modifications to the Pi, the Camera case, or both.) One of my other projects is what I've named the 'ScamStopper', it's basically a smart call blocker. It's my solution to stopping the Jamaican Lottery Scammers from getting through to my 93yo Grandmother. It answers any 'unknown' caller with a message (even a custom message for the Jamaican scammers) and doesn't even ring her phone. Only "Known" phone numbers are passed through, sans the first ring. (And yes, we've changed her number a couple of times, but she replies to these 'surveys' and lottery 'entries' all too often, so they end up getting her new number.) Anyways, It's quite a hack in it's current incarnation, but it works well. It cost me about $125 just in components to build this working proof-of-concept. I am working on refining it to cut the cost down and hopefully produce a product I can bring to market. (IE: I'm currently using a $20 USB Modem to get the CallerID, a $40 Call Blocker device to suppress the first ring on her phone, and a $10 USB sound card [as the built-in audio was causing kernel panics, plus I wanted to be able to record on the Pi too, but haven't worked that out yet.]) It might also be cool to cover the Banana Pi, which is a more expensive, but more powerful version of a Pi (dual core processor, 1GB ram, SATA, etc) I have one, but really haven't done anything with it yet, unless you count installing the "Bananaized" version of Raspibian and tinkering a little bit. It's much faster than a Raspberry Pi, thanks to the dual cores and 1GB ram... I haven't decided what I'm going to use it for yet. Anyways, sorry about the 'book', and I hope you find my suggestion(s) helpful. I hope to be a more frequent attendee now that I actually live in Worcester again... Jeff On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 10:43 AM, Tim Keller <turbofx(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Hey Everybody, > > Great news! Andy will be speaking at the Feb. meeting! He's going to be > doing a talk on Mesh networking. I figure this will "mesh" nicely with > Frank's talk about 802.11*[nn]* networking. Once I get the official > title for the talk I'll send out a more official reminder. > > On a different note... Is there anything that people are interested in > that we could work on lining up speakers for? > > Here's a couple of ideas... > * Software defined networking > * Robotics > * Home automation > > > -- > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their > constituents as "consumers". > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > >

Jan. 24, 2015

The speaker for the February meeting has been lined up!

by Tim Keller

Hey Everybody, Great news! Andy will be speaking at the Feb. meeting! He's going to be doing a talk on Mesh networking. I figure this will "mesh" nicely with Frank's talk about 802.11*[nn]* networking. Once I get the official title for the talk I'll send out a more official reminder. On a different note... Is there anything that people are interested in that we could work on lining up speakers for? Here's a couple of ideas... * Software defined networking * Robotics * Home automation -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

Jan. 21, 2015

Reminder: WLUG meeting tomorrow (Jan 8th 2015)

by Tim Keller

Hey Everybody, Just a reminder we've got a meeting tomorrow! Frank Sweetser is going to be giving an impromptu talk about the new 11ac wireless standard. What issues it addresses and likely creates, along with other wireless standards coming over the horizon. Date: Thursday January 8th, 2015 Time: 7pm Location: WPI Mid Century Room (rm 331) We'll be doing the usual refreshments and pizza afterwards. Thanks, Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

Jan. 7, 2015

Re: [Wlug] Next Meeting: Thursday January 8th, 2015!

by Jon "maddog" Hall

It might tie in well with Andy's future talk on Wireless Mesh. On Tue, Jan 6, 2015 at 3:36 PM, Joel <joelgroup(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Sounds like a great impromptu talk! > > On January 6, 2015 11:24:34 AM Tim Keller <turbofx(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> That would be awesome! Have at it! >> >> Later, >> Tim. >> >> On Mon, Jan 5, 2015 at 9:54 PM, Frank Sweetser <fs(a)wpi.edu> wrote: >> >>> >>> If people can live with the fact that I won't have time to put much >>> together >>> in the way of slides, I'll be happy to babble for a little while about >>> 11ac >>> wireless, and what else is coming down the wireless pipeline. >>> >>> Frank Sweetser fs at wpi.edu | For every problem, there is a >>> solution that >>> Manager of Network Operations | is simple, elegant, and wrong. >>> Worcester Polytechnic Institute | - HL Mencken >>> >>> On 1/4/2015 10:30 PM, Tim Keller wrote: >>> > Hey Everybody, >>> > >>> > I hope you all had a safe and happy holidays and a happy new year. >>> > Due to a scheduling conflict Andy's talk has been pushed off to the >>> Feb. >>> > meeting. If anybody wants to talk about anything specific, let me >>> know. >>> > Otherwise we'll consider it an open discussion night. >>> > >>> > Here are the details on date/time/location... >>> > >>> > Date: Thursday January 8th, 2015 >>> > Time: 7pm >>> > Location: WPI Mid Century Room (rm 331) >>> > >>> > Thanks, >>> > Tim. >>> > -- >>> > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their >>> > constituents as "consumers". >>> > >>> > >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > Wlug mailing list >>> > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >>> > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wlug mailing list >>> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >>> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their >> constituents as "consumers". >> _______________________________________________ >> Wlug mailing list >> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >> >> > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > >

Jan. 6, 2015

Next Meeting: Thursday January 8th, 2015!

by Joel

Sounds like a great impromptu talk! On January 6, 2015 11:24:34 AM Tim Keller <turbofx(a)gmail.com> wrote: > That would be awesome! Have at it! > > Later, > Tim. > > On Mon, Jan 5, 2015 at 9:54 PM, Frank Sweetser <fs(a)wpi.edu> wrote: > > > > > If people can live with the fact that I won't have time to put much > > together > > in the way of slides, I'll be happy to babble for a little while about 11ac > > wireless, and what else is coming down the wireless pipeline. > > > > Frank Sweetser fs at wpi.edu | For every problem, there is a solution > > that > > Manager of Network Operations | is simple, elegant, and wrong. > > Worcester Polytechnic Institute | - HL Mencken > > > > On 1/4/2015 10:30 PM, Tim Keller wrote: > > > Hey Everybody, > > > > > > I hope you all had a safe and happy holidays and a happy new year. > > > Due to a scheduling conflict Andy's talk has been pushed off to the Feb. > > > meeting. If anybody wants to talk about anything specific, let me know. > > > Otherwise we'll consider it an open discussion night. > > > > > > Here are the details on date/time/location... > > > > > > Date: Thursday January 8th, 2015 > > > Time: 7pm > > > Location: WPI Mid Century Room (rm 331) > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Tim. > > > -- > > > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their > > > constituents as "consumers". > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Wlug mailing list > > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wlug mailing list > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > > > -- > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their > constituents as "consumers". > > > > ---------- > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

Jan. 6, 2015

Re: [Wlug] Next Meeting: Thursday January 8th, 2015!

by Tim Keller

That would be awesome! Have at it! Later, Tim. On Mon, Jan 5, 2015 at 9:54 PM, Frank Sweetser <fs(a)wpi.edu> wrote: > > If people can live with the fact that I won't have time to put much > together > in the way of slides, I'll be happy to babble for a little while about 11ac > wireless, and what else is coming down the wireless pipeline. > > Frank Sweetser fs at wpi.edu | For every problem, there is a solution > that > Manager of Network Operations | is simple, elegant, and wrong. > Worcester Polytechnic Institute | - HL Mencken > > On 1/4/2015 10:30 PM, Tim Keller wrote: > > Hey Everybody, > > > > I hope you all had a safe and happy holidays and a happy new year. > > Due to a scheduling conflict Andy's talk has been pushed off to the Feb. > > meeting. If anybody wants to talk about anything specific, let me know. > > Otherwise we'll consider it an open discussion night. > > > > Here are the details on date/time/location... > > > > Date: Thursday January 8th, 2015 > > Time: 7pm > > Location: WPI Mid Century Room (rm 331) > > > > Thanks, > > Tim. > > -- > > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their > > constituents as "consumers". > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wlug mailing list > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

Jan. 6, 2015

Re: [Wlug] Next Meeting: Thursday January 8th, 2015!

by Frank Sweetser

If people can live with the fact that I won't have time to put much together in the way of slides, I'll be happy to babble for a little while about 11ac wireless, and what else is coming down the wireless pipeline. Frank Sweetser fs at wpi.edu | For every problem, there is a solution that Manager of Network Operations | is simple, elegant, and wrong. Worcester Polytechnic Institute | - HL Mencken On 1/4/2015 10:30 PM, Tim Keller wrote: > Hey Everybody, > > I hope you all had a safe and happy holidays and a happy new year. > Due to a scheduling conflict Andy's talk has been pushed off to the Feb. > meeting. If anybody wants to talk about anything specific, let me know. > Otherwise we'll consider it an open discussion night. > > Here are the details on date/time/location... > > Date: Thursday January 8th, 2015 > Time: 7pm > Location: WPI Mid Century Room (rm 331) > > Thanks, > Tim. > -- > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their > constituents as "consumers". > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

Jan. 6, 2015

Next Meeting: Thursday January 8th, 2015!

by Tim Keller

Hey Everybody, I hope you all had a safe and happy holidays and a happy new year. Due to a scheduling conflict Andy's talk has been pushed off to the Feb. meeting. If anybody wants to talk about anything specific, let me know. Otherwise we'll consider it an open discussion night. Here are the details on date/time/location... Date: Thursday January 8th, 2015 Time: 7pm Location: WPI Mid Century Room (rm 331) Thanks, Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

Jan. 5, 2015

Re: [Wlug] Great meeting last night!

by Mike Peckar

Yes – very cool stuff. I hope Project Cauã really takes off. Not sure if this has been don already, but Maddog’s anecdotes on computer history inspired me to think a neat topic for a future meeting could be a ‘show and tell’ of computerania. I’ve got some neat stuff from the past, and I’d bet others do too. Some of my stuff is directly related to *nix, but mostly it’s hardware. I could talk about my curios for at least 15 minutes. Maybe interested in some trading, too. Mike From: wlug-bounces(a)mail.wlug.org [mailto:wlug-bounces@mail.wlug.org] On Behalf Of Tim Keller Sent: Friday, December 12, 2014 10:46 AM To: Worcester Linux Users Group Subject: [Wlug] Great meeting last night! To everybody who attended last night, thanks! Maddog educated and entertained us with the Linaro and Cacu projects and regaled us with lots of humorous computer history. Jon, thanks for being a great presenter! You're welcome back to speak anytime! Next up Andy will be giving a talk in January about Mesh networking. If anybody has a topic they'd like to speak about or something they're interested in learning about, let me know! Thanks, Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

Dec. 12, 2014

Great meeting last night!

by Tim Keller

To everybody who attended last night, thanks! Maddog educated and entertained us with the Linaro and Cacu projects and regaled us with lots of humorous computer history. Jon, thanks for being a great presenter! You're welcome back to speak anytime! Next up Andy will be giving a talk in January about Mesh networking. If anybody has a topic they'd like to speak about or something they're interested in learning about, let me know! Thanks, Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

Dec. 12, 2014

After the meeting

by Richard Klein

Have we come up with a way to split the pizza bill on credit cards or should I still plan on getting cash? Not a big deal, but I thought I'd ask. -- Rich

Dec. 11, 2014

Re: [Wlug] Tonight's meeting

by Tim Keller

The meeting is still on for tonight! Thanks, Tim. On Thu, Dec 11, 2014 at 1:31 PM, Keith Wright <kwright(a)keithdiane.us> wrote: > "Jon \"maddog\" Hall" <jon.maddog.hall(a)gmail.com> writes: > > > Even though the weather has been bad for three days, > > it seems to be clearing for tonight, and I just > > wanted to make sure that there would be a meeting > > tonight. > > I am about to leave for WPI---near as I can tell > there will be a meeting. I've gone further in > worse weather. > > We don't live in Badster; > we live in even Worsester. > > -- Keith > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

Dec. 11, 2014

Re: [Wlug] Tonight's meeting

by Keith Wright

"Jon \"maddog\" Hall" <jon.maddog.hall(a)gmail.com> writes: > Even though the weather has been bad for three days, > it seems to be clearing for tonight, and I just > wanted to make sure that there would be a meeting > tonight. I am about to leave for WPI---near as I can tell there will be a meeting. I've gone further in worse weather. We don't live in Badster; we live in even Worsester. -- Keith

Dec. 11, 2014

Tonight's meeting

by Jon "maddog" Hall

Hello, I am the speaker for tonight's meeting. Even though the weather has been bad for three days, it seems to be clearing for tonight, and I just wanted to make sure that there would be a meeting tonight. The topics for tonight are two: Title: GNU/Linux Performance: We are not in 1969 (or even 1984) anymore Abstract: Performance in software is not just how fast it executes in wall clock time, but how efficient it is in memory and CPU cycles. It determines battery life, how "green" a solution can be, and even if a particular solution is fast enough for "real time". This talk will examine these areas, show progress of software and hardware over time, demonstrate someHello, I am the speaker for tonight's meeting. Even though the weather has been bad for three days, it seems to be clearing for tonight, and I just wanted to make sure that there would be a meeting tonight. The topics for tonight are two: Title: GNU/Linux Performance: We are not in 1969 (or even 1984) anymore Abstract: Performance in software is not just how fast it executes in wall clock time, but how efficieHello, I am the speaker for tonight's meeting. Even though the weather has been bad for three days, it seems to be clearing for tonight, and I just wanted to make sure that there would be a meeting tonight. The topics for tonight are two: Title: GNU/Linux Performance: We are not in 1969 (or even 1984) anymore Abstract: Performance in software is not just how fast it executes in wall clock time, but how efficient it is in memory and CPU cycles. It determines battery life, how "green" a solution can be, and even if a particular solution is fast enough for "real time". This talk will examine these areas, show progress of software and hardware over time, demonstrate some interesting systems for developing efficient software, and show you how to enter a contest based on performance and: Title: Project Caua: How to finance your university education while building a business Abstract: While many universities are either free of tuition or give full scholarships, many students can not take advantage of them because they need money for an apartment, food, transportation, books, equipment and other things. Project Caua will show you how to make enough money in your spare time so you can afford to go to university. If, for any reason, the meeting is canceled I would appreciate an email before 1500 today. Thanks, Jon "maddog" Hallnt it is in memory and CPU cycles. It determines battery life, how "green" a solution can be, and even if a particular solution is fast enough for "real time". This talk will examine these areas, show progress of software and hardware over time, demonstrate some interesting systems for developing efficient software, and show you how to enter a contest based on performance and: Title: Project Caua: How to finance your university education while building a business Abstract: While many universities are either free of tuition or give full scholarships, many students can not take advantage of them because they need money for an apartment, food, transportation, books, equipment and other things. Project Caua will show you how to make enough money in your spare time so you can afford to go to university. If, for any reason, the meeting is canceled I would appreciate an email before 1500 today. Thanks, Jon "maddog" Hall interesting systems for developing efficient software, and show you how to enter a contest based on performance and: Title: Project Caua: How to finance your university education while building a business Abstract: While many universities are either free of tuition or give full scholarships, many students can not take advantage of them because they need money for an apartment, food, transportation, books, equipment and other things. Project Caua will show you how to make enough money in your spare time so you can afford to go to university. If, for any reason, the meeting is canceled I would appreciate an email before 1500 today. Thanks, Jon "maddog" Hall

Dec. 11, 2014

Reminder: Next Meeting Tomorrow night, Thursday Dec 11th, 2014 @ 7pm rm. 331

by Tim Keller

Hey Everybody, The next WLUG meeting is tomorrow night in the mid century room (rm 331) at 7pm. The planned speaker is Jon "Maddog" Hall. Afterwards we'll all head out for pizza. Later, Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

Dec. 10, 2014

Re: [Wlug] Reminder: Meeting ???? mid-century room.

by Richard Klein

Thanks! On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 2:21 PM, Tim Keller <turbofx(a)gmail.com> wrote: > The meeting is Thursday, Dec 11th 2014. There is no meeting tonight... > Sorry for the confusion. > > On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 12:54 PM, Richard Klein <rich(a)richardklein.org> > wrote: > >> It's in my calendar for Wednesday, tonight. Is it really Thursday? >> >> On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 10:42 AM, Tim Keller <turbofx(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> This is all on me, I got my dates turned around and sent out the wrong >>> email. Sorry for any confusion that I may have caused. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Tim. >>> >>> On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 8:07 AM, James Gray <jamespgray(a)gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Keith, I had figured you were being sarcastic in your prior e-mail. >>>> I'm not entirely sure you aren't now. I concluded that the meeting was on >>>> Thursday. At one point Tim indicated Wednesday, but corrected himself that >>>> it was Thursday in another email. Chuck also indicated Thursday in the most >>>> recent email, so the question seemed settled to me. >>>> >>>> I find email subject lines to be often misleading just like the titles >>>> of news articles. Subject lines always seem to get out of date as the >>>> conversion evolves. >>>> >>>> thanks! >>>> On Dec 10, 2014 12:07 AM, "Keith Wright" <kwright(a)keithdiane.us> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Keith Wright <kwright(a)keithdiane.us> writes: >>>>> >>>>> > Tim Keller <turbofx(a)gmail.com> writes: >>>>> > >>>>> >> Yup, I screwed up. I reposted a correct reminder. >>>>> > >>>>> > I don't care _who_ screwed up. >>>>> >>>>> But I do care _which_ was screwed up. >>>>> >>>>> I had decided to go on Wednesday, until I re-reviewed >>>>> my email inbox. >>>>> >>>>> There are five messages in there that say "Wednesday" >>>>> in the subject, including this: >>>>> >>>>> > Yup, I totally screwed up... >>>>> > The meeting is on the 10th NOT the 11th!!! >>>>> >>>>> Nevertheless, I now think maybe Thursday is correct, >>>>> because there is one message that says: >>>>> >>>>> > The meeting is Thursday, >>>>> > December 11th @7pm in the usual place. >>>>> >>>>> I was hoping that my previous message would result >>>>> in a definitive answer, but nothing came all day. >>>>> >>>>> Maybe it seems redundant, but make it two out of three >>>>> and tell me again, please. >>>>> >>>>> It would help if the Web page were updated to mention >>>>> Jon Hall, so it doesn't look like dead information >>>>> forgotten since last year. >>>>> >>>>> -- Keith >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Wlug mailing list >>>>> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >>>>> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Wlug mailing list >>>> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >>>> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their >>> constituents as "consumers". >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wlug mailing list >>> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >>> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wlug mailing list >> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >> >> > > > -- > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their > constituents as "consumers". > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > >

Dec. 10, 2014

Re: [Wlug] Reminder: Meeting ???? mid-century room.

by Tim Keller

The meeting is Thursday, Dec 11th 2014. There is no meeting tonight... Sorry for the confusion. On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 12:54 PM, Richard Klein <rich(a)richardklein.org> wrote: > It's in my calendar for Wednesday, tonight. Is it really Thursday? > > On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 10:42 AM, Tim Keller <turbofx(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> This is all on me, I got my dates turned around and sent out the wrong >> email. Sorry for any confusion that I may have caused. >> >> Thanks, >> Tim. >> >> On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 8:07 AM, James Gray <jamespgray(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Hi Keith, I had figured you were being sarcastic in your prior e-mail. >>> I'm not entirely sure you aren't now. I concluded that the meeting was on >>> Thursday. At one point Tim indicated Wednesday, but corrected himself that >>> it was Thursday in another email. Chuck also indicated Thursday in the most >>> recent email, so the question seemed settled to me. >>> >>> I find email subject lines to be often misleading just like the titles >>> of news articles. Subject lines always seem to get out of date as the >>> conversion evolves. >>> >>> thanks! >>> On Dec 10, 2014 12:07 AM, "Keith Wright" <kwright(a)keithdiane.us> wrote: >>> >>>> Keith Wright <kwright(a)keithdiane.us> writes: >>>> >>>> > Tim Keller <turbofx(a)gmail.com> writes: >>>> > >>>> >> Yup, I screwed up. I reposted a correct reminder. >>>> > >>>> > I don't care _who_ screwed up. >>>> >>>> But I do care _which_ was screwed up. >>>> >>>> I had decided to go on Wednesday, until I re-reviewed >>>> my email inbox. >>>> >>>> There are five messages in there that say "Wednesday" >>>> in the subject, including this: >>>> >>>> > Yup, I totally screwed up... >>>> > The meeting is on the 10th NOT the 11th!!! >>>> >>>> Nevertheless, I now think maybe Thursday is correct, >>>> because there is one message that says: >>>> >>>> > The meeting is Thursday, >>>> > December 11th @7pm in the usual place. >>>> >>>> I was hoping that my previous message would result >>>> in a definitive answer, but nothing came all day. >>>> >>>> Maybe it seems redundant, but make it two out of three >>>> and tell me again, please. >>>> >>>> It would help if the Web page were updated to mention >>>> Jon Hall, so it doesn't look like dead information >>>> forgotten since last year. >>>> >>>> -- Keith >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Wlug mailing list >>>> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >>>> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wlug mailing list >>> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >>> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their >> constituents as "consumers". >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wlug mailing list >> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

Dec. 10, 2014

Re: [Wlug] Reminder: Meeting ???? mid-century room.

by Richard Klein

It's in my calendar for Wednesday, tonight. Is it really Thursday? On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 10:42 AM, Tim Keller <turbofx(a)gmail.com> wrote: > This is all on me, I got my dates turned around and sent out the wrong > email. Sorry for any confusion that I may have caused. > > Thanks, > Tim. > > On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 8:07 AM, James Gray <jamespgray(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> Hi Keith, I had figured you were being sarcastic in your prior e-mail. >> I'm not entirely sure you aren't now. I concluded that the meeting was on >> Thursday. At one point Tim indicated Wednesday, but corrected himself that >> it was Thursday in another email. Chuck also indicated Thursday in the most >> recent email, so the question seemed settled to me. >> >> I find email subject lines to be often misleading just like the titles of >> news articles. Subject lines always seem to get out of date as the >> conversion evolves. >> >> thanks! >> On Dec 10, 2014 12:07 AM, "Keith Wright" <kwright(a)keithdiane.us> wrote: >> >>> Keith Wright <kwright(a)keithdiane.us> writes: >>> >>> > Tim Keller <turbofx(a)gmail.com> writes: >>> > >>> >> Yup, I screwed up. I reposted a correct reminder. >>> > >>> > I don't care _who_ screwed up. >>> >>> But I do care _which_ was screwed up. >>> >>> I had decided to go on Wednesday, until I re-reviewed >>> my email inbox. >>> >>> There are five messages in there that say "Wednesday" >>> in the subject, including this: >>> >>> > Yup, I totally screwed up... >>> > The meeting is on the 10th NOT the 11th!!! >>> >>> Nevertheless, I now think maybe Thursday is correct, >>> because there is one message that says: >>> >>> > The meeting is Thursday, >>> > December 11th @7pm in the usual place. >>> >>> I was hoping that my previous message would result >>> in a definitive answer, but nothing came all day. >>> >>> Maybe it seems redundant, but make it two out of three >>> and tell me again, please. >>> >>> It would help if the Web page were updated to mention >>> Jon Hall, so it doesn't look like dead information >>> forgotten since last year. >>> >>> -- Keith >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wlug mailing list >>> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >>> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wlug mailing list >> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >> >> > > > -- > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their > constituents as "consumers". > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > >

Dec. 10, 2014

Reminder: Meeting Dec 11 mid-century room.

by Keith Wright

Tim Keller <turbofx(a)gmail.com> writes: > This is all on me, I got my dates turned around and > sent out the wrong email. Sorry for any confusion > that I may have caused. > > Thanks, > Tim. Not again! You have now apologized four or five times, but just two of those times included the date. Once Wednesday, once Thursday. I was not being sarcastic; I wanted to know the answer. Since you quoted James, who said Thursday, and did not correct that, I'm going with Thursday. If that's wrong, sorry I will miss it. I'm leaving now and won't read email again until late tonight. -- Keith > On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 8:07 AM, James Gray <jamespgray(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> Hi Keith, I had figured you were being sarcastic in your prior e-mail. >> I'm not entirely sure you aren't now. I concluded that the meeting was on >> Thursday. At one point Tim indicated Wednesday, but corrected himself that >> it was Thursday in another email. Chuck also indicated Thursday in the most >> recent email, so the question seemed settled to me. >> >> I find email subject lines to be often misleading just like the titles of >> news articles. Subject lines always seem to get out of date as the >> conversion evolves. >> >> thanks! >> On Dec 10, 2014 12:07 AM, "Keith Wright" <kwright(a)keithdiane.us> wrote: >> >>> Keith Wright <kwright(a)keithdiane.us> writes: >>> >>> > Tim Keller <turbofx(a)gmail.com> writes: >>> > >>> >> Yup, I screwed up. I reposted a correct reminder. >>> > >>> > I don't care _who_ screwed up. >>> >>> But I do care _which_ was screwed up. >>> >>> I had decided to go on Wednesday, until I re-reviewed >>> my email inbox. >>> >>> There are five messages in there that say "Wednesday" >>> in the subject, including this: >>> >>> > Yup, I totally screwed up... >>> > The meeting is on the 10th NOT the 11th!!! >>> >>> Nevertheless, I now think maybe Thursday is correct, >>> because there is one message that says: >>> >>> > The meeting is Thursday, >>> > December 11th @7pm in the usual place. >>> >>> I was hoping that my previous message would result >>> in a definitive answer, but nothing came all day. >>> >>> Maybe it seems redundant, but make it two out of three >>> and tell me again, please. >>> >>> It would help if the Web page were updated to mention >>> Jon Hall, so it doesn't look like dead information >>> forgotten since last year. >>> >>> -- Keith >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wlug mailing list >>> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >>> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wlug mailing list >> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >> >>

Dec. 10, 2014

Re: [Wlug] Reminder: Meeting ???? mid-century room.

by Tim Keller

This is all on me, I got my dates turned around and sent out the wrong email. Sorry for any confusion that I may have caused. Thanks, Tim. On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 8:07 AM, James Gray <jamespgray(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Hi Keith, I had figured you were being sarcastic in your prior e-mail. > I'm not entirely sure you aren't now. I concluded that the meeting was on > Thursday. At one point Tim indicated Wednesday, but corrected himself that > it was Thursday in another email. Chuck also indicated Thursday in the most > recent email, so the question seemed settled to me. > > I find email subject lines to be often misleading just like the titles of > news articles. Subject lines always seem to get out of date as the > conversion evolves. > > thanks! > On Dec 10, 2014 12:07 AM, "Keith Wright" <kwright(a)keithdiane.us> wrote: > >> Keith Wright <kwright(a)keithdiane.us> writes: >> >> > Tim Keller <turbofx(a)gmail.com> writes: >> > >> >> Yup, I screwed up. I reposted a correct reminder. >> > >> > I don't care _who_ screwed up. >> >> But I do care _which_ was screwed up. >> >> I had decided to go on Wednesday, until I re-reviewed >> my email inbox. >> >> There are five messages in there that say "Wednesday" >> in the subject, including this: >> >> > Yup, I totally screwed up... >> > The meeting is on the 10th NOT the 11th!!! >> >> Nevertheless, I now think maybe Thursday is correct, >> because there is one message that says: >> >> > The meeting is Thursday, >> > December 11th @7pm in the usual place. >> >> I was hoping that my previous message would result >> in a definitive answer, but nothing came all day. >> >> Maybe it seems redundant, but make it two out of three >> and tell me again, please. >> >> It would help if the Web page were updated to mention >> Jon Hall, so it doesn't look like dead information >> forgotten since last year. >> >> -- Keith >> _______________________________________________ >> Wlug mailing list >> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >> > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

Dec. 10, 2014

Re: [Wlug] Reminder: Meeting ???? mid-century room.

by James Gray

Hi Keith, I had figured you were being sarcastic in your prior e-mail. I'm not entirely sure you aren't now. I concluded that the meeting was on Thursday. At one point Tim indicated Wednesday, but corrected himself that it was Thursday in another email. Chuck also indicated Thursday in the most recent email, so the question seemed settled to me. I find email subject lines to be often misleading just like the titles of news articles. Subject lines always seem to get out of date as the conversion evolves. thanks! On Dec 10, 2014 12:07 AM, "Keith Wright" <kwright(a)keithdiane.us> wrote: > Keith Wright <kwright(a)keithdiane.us> writes: > > > Tim Keller <turbofx(a)gmail.com> writes: > > > >> Yup, I screwed up. I reposted a correct reminder. > > > > I don't care _who_ screwed up. > > But I do care _which_ was screwed up. > > I had decided to go on Wednesday, until I re-reviewed > my email inbox. > > There are five messages in there that say "Wednesday" > in the subject, including this: > > > Yup, I totally screwed up... > > The meeting is on the 10th NOT the 11th!!! > > Nevertheless, I now think maybe Thursday is correct, > because there is one message that says: > > > The meeting is Thursday, > > December 11th @7pm in the usual place. > > I was hoping that my previous message would result > in a definitive answer, but nothing came all day. > > Maybe it seems redundant, but make it two out of three > and tell me again, please. > > It would help if the Web page were updated to mention > Jon Hall, so it doesn't look like dead information > forgotten since last year. > > -- Keith > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

Dec. 10, 2014

Re: [Wlug] Reminder: Meeting ???? mid-century room.

by Keith Wright

Keith Wright <kwright(a)keithdiane.us> writes: > Tim Keller <turbofx(a)gmail.com> writes: > >> Yup, I screwed up. I reposted a correct reminder. > > I don't care _who_ screwed up. But I do care _which_ was screwed up. I had decided to go on Wednesday, until I re-reviewed my email inbox. There are five messages in there that say "Wednesday" in the subject, including this: > Yup, I totally screwed up... > The meeting is on the 10th NOT the 11th!!! Nevertheless, I now think maybe Thursday is correct, because there is one message that says: > The meeting is Thursday, > December 11th @7pm in the usual place. I was hoping that my previous message would result in a definitive answer, but nothing came all day. Maybe it seems redundant, but make it two out of three and tell me again, please. It would help if the Web page were updated to mention Jon Hall, so it doesn't look like dead information forgotten since last year. -- Keith

Dec. 10, 2014

Re: [Wlug] Reminder: Meeting ???? mid-century room.

by Keith Wright

Tim Keller <turbofx(a)gmail.com> writes: > Yup, I screwed up. I reposted a correct reminder. I don't care _who_ screwed up. The web site still says "Thu Dec 11 2014", as of time of this msg---2014-12-08(Mon) 18:37:45EST The subject line of the msg to which I reply is [Wlug] Reminder: Meeting Wednesday Dec 10th. Something remains screwed up. What does Mr. Hall think it is? -- Keith

Dec. 8, 2014

Re: [Wlug] Reminder: Meeting Wednesday Dec 10th @7pm (rm 331) mid-century room.

by Tim Keller

Yup, I screwed up. I reposted a correct reminder. Sorry you can't make it Chuck. On Mon, Dec 8, 2014 at 4:56 PM, Chuck Anderson <cra(a)wpi.edu> wrote: > Ummm...check again. > > http://www.wlug.org/ > > Thu Dec 11 2014 7:00 PM - 9:00 PM > > They are all Thursdays for the forseeable future at least. > > Unfortunately, I won't be able to make it this month either way. > > On Mon, Dec 08, 2014 at 04:53:55PM -0500, Tim Keller wrote: > > Yup, I totally screwed up... The meeting is on the 10th NOT the 11th!!! > > Sorry about that! > > > > Thanks, > > Tim. > > > > On Mon, Dec 8, 2014 at 4:29 PM, Matt Cheung <mgcheung(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > I thought I saw earlier that this would be on Thursday the 11th. Just > > > want to make sure I know when it's supposed to be. Thanks. > > > > > > > > > > > > On 12/08/2014 04:18 PM, Tim Keller wrote: > > > > > > Hey Everybody, > > > > > > There's a meeting scheduled for Wednesday at 7pm rm 331. Be there or > > > get your geek cards revoked! > > > > > > I know there's inclement weather predicted for Tuesday, so it should > be > > > all clear by Wednesday night. However if things change and it looks > like > > > the roads will be a mess, we'll reassess. > > > > > > Unless the plans change, Jon "maddog" Hall will be giving a talk! > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Tim. > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

Dec. 8, 2014

Reminder: Meeting Thursday December 11th @7pm (rm 331) mid-century room

by Tim Keller

Hey Everybody, I erroneously sent out email with the wrong date... The meeting is Thursday, December 11th @7pm in the usual place. Sorry for the confusion. Thanks, Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

Dec. 8, 2014

Re: [Wlug] Reminder: Meeting Wednesday Dec 10th @7pm (rm 331) mid-century room.

by Chuck Anderson

Ummm...check again. http://www.wlug.org/ Thu Dec 11 2014 7:00 PM - 9:00 PM They are all Thursdays for the forseeable future at least. Unfortunately, I won't be able to make it this month either way. On Mon, Dec 08, 2014 at 04:53:55PM -0500, Tim Keller wrote: > Yup, I totally screwed up... The meeting is on the 10th NOT the 11th!!! > Sorry about that! > > Thanks, > Tim. > > On Mon, Dec 8, 2014 at 4:29 PM, Matt Cheung <mgcheung(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > I thought I saw earlier that this would be on Thursday the 11th. Just > > want to make sure I know when it's supposed to be. Thanks. > > > > > > > > On 12/08/2014 04:18 PM, Tim Keller wrote: > > > > Hey Everybody, > > > > There's a meeting scheduled for Wednesday at 7pm rm 331. Be there or > > get your geek cards revoked! > > > > I know there's inclement weather predicted for Tuesday, so it should be > > all clear by Wednesday night. However if things change and it looks like > > the roads will be a mess, we'll reassess. > > > > Unless the plans change, Jon "maddog" Hall will be giving a talk! > > > > Thanks, > > Tim.

Dec. 8, 2014

Re: [Wlug] Reminder: Meeting Wednesday Dec 10th @7pm (rm 331) mid-century room.

by Tim Keller

Yup, I totally screwed up... The meeting is on the 10th NOT the 11th!!! Sorry about that! Thanks, Tim. On Mon, Dec 8, 2014 at 4:29 PM, Matt Cheung <mgcheung(a)gmail.com> wrote: > I thought I saw earlier that this would be on Thursday the 11th. Just > want to make sure I know when it's supposed to be. Thanks. > > > > On 12/08/2014 04:18 PM, Tim Keller wrote: > > Hey Everybody, > > There's a meeting scheduled for Wednesday at 7pm rm 331. Be there or > get your geek cards revoked! > > I know there's inclement weather predicted for Tuesday, so it should be > all clear by Wednesday night. However if things change and it looks like > the roads will be a mess, we'll reassess. > > Unless the plans change, Jon "maddog" Hall will be giving a talk! > > Thanks, > Tim. > > > > -- > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their > constituents as "consumers". > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing listWlug@mail.wlug.orghttp://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

Dec. 8, 2014

Re: [Wlug] Reminder: Meeting Wednesday Dec 10th @7pm (rm 331) mid-century room.

by Matt Cheung

I thought I saw earlier that this would be on Thursday the 11th. Just want to make sure I know when it's supposed to be. Thanks. On 12/08/2014 04:18 PM, Tim Keller wrote: > Hey Everybody, > > There's a meeting scheduled for Wednesday at 7pm rm 331. Be there or > get your geek cards revoked! > > I know there's inclement weather predicted for Tuesday, so it should > be all clear by Wednesday night. However if things change and it > looks like the roads will be a mess, we'll reassess. > > Unless the plans change, Jon "maddog" Hall will be giving a talk! > > Thanks, > Tim. > > > > -- > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their > constituents as "consumers". > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Dec. 8, 2014

Reminder: Meeting Wednesday Dec 10th @7pm (rm 331) mid-century room.

by Tim Keller

Hey Everybody, There's a meeting scheduled for Wednesday at 7pm rm 331. Be there or get your geek cards revoked! I know there's inclement weather predicted for Tuesday, so it should be all clear by Wednesday night. However if things change and it looks like the roads will be a mess, we'll reassess. Unless the plans change, Jon "maddog" Hall will be giving a talk! Thanks, Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

Dec. 8, 2014

Meeting reminder! December 11th! Jon "Maddog" Hall!

by Tim Keller

Hey Everybody, Just a reminder that we've got a meeting on December 11th. The planned speaker is going to be John "Maddog" Hall. I *believe* he'll be speaking about the "Linaro" project among other things. Like usual, refreshments and snacks will be provided. The meeting will take place in the Mid-Century room (rm. 331) starting at 7pm. Afterwards we'll gorge ourselves on pizza. Thanks, Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

Dec. 1, 2014

Re: [Wlug] Cross platform password management

by Michael Voorhis

>From SANS newsBites v16n93; relevant (perhaps) to recent discussions. > --Citadel Trojan Now Targeting Password Managers > (November 19 & 20, 2014) > The Citadel Trojan, which in the past has been used to steal bank > account access credentials and was used in targeted attacks against > Middle Eastern petro-chemical companies, has recently been used in > attacks against password managers. The newest version of Citadel now > targets the master passwords for the three most widely used password > management systems. > http://www.darkreading.com/operations/identity-and-access-management/new-ci… > http://arstechnica.com/security/2014/11/citadel-attackers-aim-to-steal-vict… > [Editor's Note (Honan0: If you have not done so already its time to turn > on the two factor authentication features on your account that many of > these password managers offer.]

Nov. 23, 2014

Re: [Wlug] Cross platform password management

by Charlie Stevenson

Another vote for KeePass =) On Sat, Nov 15, 2014 at 6:25 PM, JeffA Maillists <jeffa.maillists(a)gmail.com> wrote: > KeePass is awesome... ;-) > On Nov 15, 2014 6:22 PM, "Frank Sweetser" <fs(a)wpi.edu> wrote: > >> Hey all, >> >> I'm looking to overhaul my password management, so I'm looking for >> suggestions on what apps people are using. My ideal system would have at >> least these features: >> >> - cross platform on windows, Linux, and android >> - synchronize via 3rd party cloud storage, preferably google drive - >> *not* via an app specific service >> - good Firefox plugin >> >> Any suggestions on what to try, or to avoid, would be greatly >> appreciated. Thanks all! >> -- >> Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. >> _______________________________________________ >> Wlug mailing list >> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >> >> > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > -- *Charles K Stevenson* *Information Technology Manager**Telephone:* +1 978-355-4378 ext. 250 Insight Meditation Society <http://www.dharma.org/> | 1230 Pleasant St., Barre, MA 01005 [image: https://www.linkedin.com/in/charliestevenson] <https://www.linkedin.com/in/charliestevenson> The Frederick P. Lenz Foundation for American Buddhism grant recipient <http://fredericklenzfoundation.org/insight-meditation-society> IMA Best in Class Award award recipient in the nonprofit category <http://www.interactivemediaawards.com/winners/certificate.asp?param=268701&…> 2015 Retreat Schedule <https://www.dharma.org/meditation-retreats/retreat-center/retreat-center-sc…> | Donate Now <https://www.dharma.org/ims/donations.php> | About Us <https://www.dharma.org/about-us> | e-Newsletter Signup <https://www.dharma.org/mailing-list-request>

Nov. 17, 2014

Re: [Wlug] Cross platform password management

by Joel

Security questions aside, for synchronization of Android files to Google Drive I like "Autsync for Google Drive" from metactrl. Was $3 to buy & install. Set & forget delta sync of pictures, pdf files, etc. I tell it to only sync every 4 hours via WIFI. Taking a picture toggles a sync now. Thank you, Joel On November 16, 2014 12:53:38 AM Randall Mason <clashthebunny(a)gmail.com> wrote: I use password store (http://www.passwordstore.org/) It's the only true Unix solution. It's written in bash, stores passwords in a gpg encrypted text file, and sync is done with git. It's in most repos and homebrew. It includes niceties such as password generation and versioning is nice too (I used my old password for Facebook on Reddit, but forgot to write it down, but now I've changed my Facebook password becomes a simple git log/checkout). If anything ever happens, everything is stored in a format you can easily grok. I have a private repo on my home NAS that I can get to from anywhere. I have a chroot on android; all of those utilities exist natively on Win/Mac/Linux. Because I trust gpg enough, I could even use a free private repo on bitbucket. Just transfer your password encryption subkey around safely. There are various clients/guis out there including supposedly iOS and Firefox. It wouldn't be hard to write one for Android given all the pieces exist separately in open source forms. On Nov 16, 2014 4:58 AM, "Frank Sweetser" <fs(a)wpi.edu> wrote: > > Nice! The last time I looked, there were some issues with just dumping the > database file on Google drive, so it sounds like they've made some progress > since then. I'll check it out. > > Frank Sweetser fs at wpi.edu | For every problem, there is a solution > that > Manager of Network Operations | is simple, elegant, and wrong. > Worcester Polytechnic Institute | - HL Mencken > > On 11/15/2014 9:05 PM, Richard Klein wrote: > > Frank, > > You just save your .kdb (or is it .kdbx?) file on Google Drive. > It's just > > a file that you open and save from KeePass, so KeePass doesn't have to > support > > Google Drive per se. > > > > I used KeePass for a while, but I prefer LastPass. You said you > didn't > > want an app-specific cloud solution, so I guess that rules out LastPass, > but > > it's what I like. I also pay something like $12/year to LastPass, but > it's > > worth it. > > > > On Sat, Nov 15, 2014 at 6:28 PM, Frank Sweetser <fs(a)wpi.edu > > <mailto:fs@wpi.edu>> wrote: > > > > Any suggestion for any of the android app variants/clones to try? The > > couple that I looked at only claim Dropbox support, not google drive. > > > > > > On November 15, 2014 6:25:58 PM EST, JeffA Maillists > > <jeffa.maillists(a)gmail.com <mailto:jeffa.maillists@gmail.com>> > wrote: > > > > KeePass is awesome... ;-) > > > > On Nov 15, 2014 6:22 PM, "Frank Sweetser" <fs(a)wpi.edu > > <mailto:fs@wpi.edu>> wrote: > > > > Hey all, > > > > I'm looking to overhaul my password management, so I'm > looking for > > suggestions on what apps people are using. My ideal system > would > > have at least these features: > > > > - cross platform on windows, Linux, and android > > - synchronize via 3rd party cloud storage, preferably google > drive > > - *not* via an app specific service > > - good Firefox plugin > > > > Any suggestions on what to try, or to avoid, would be greatly > > appreciated. Thanks all! > > -- > > Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my > brevity. > > _______________________________________________ > > Wlug mailing list > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org <mailto:Wlug@mail.wlug.org> > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > Wlug mailing list > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org <mailto:Wlug@mail.wlug.org> > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > > > -- > > Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wlug mailing list > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org <mailto:Wlug@mail.wlug.org> > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wlug mailing list > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > ---------- _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Nov. 17, 2014

Re: [Wlug] Cross platform password management

by Randall Mason

I use password store (http://www.passwordstore.org/) It's the only true Unix solution. It's written in bash, stores passwords in a gpg encrypted text file, and sync is done with git. It's in most repos and homebrew. It includes niceties such as password generation and versioning is nice too (I used my old password for Facebook on Reddit, but forgot to write it down, but now I've changed my Facebook password becomes a simple git log/checkout). If anything ever happens, everything is stored in a format you can easily grok. I have a private repo on my home NAS that I can get to from anywhere. I have a chroot on android; all of those utilities exist natively on Win/Mac/Linux. Because I trust gpg enough, I could even use a free private repo on bitbucket. Just transfer your password encryption subkey around safely. There are various clients/guis out there including supposedly iOS and Firefox. It wouldn't be hard to write one for Android given all the pieces exist separately in open source forms. On Nov 16, 2014 4:58 AM, "Frank Sweetser" <fs(a)wpi.edu> wrote: > > Nice! The last time I looked, there were some issues with just dumping the > database file on Google drive, so it sounds like they've made some progress > since then. I'll check it out. > > Frank Sweetser fs at wpi.edu | For every problem, there is a solution > that > Manager of Network Operations | is simple, elegant, and wrong. > Worcester Polytechnic Institute | - HL Mencken > > On 11/15/2014 9:05 PM, Richard Klein wrote: > > Frank, > > You just save your .kdb (or is it .kdbx?) file on Google Drive. > It's just > > a file that you open and save from KeePass, so KeePass doesn't have to > support > > Google Drive per se. > > > > I used KeePass for a while, but I prefer LastPass. You said you > didn't > > want an app-specific cloud solution, so I guess that rules out LastPass, > but > > it's what I like. I also pay something like $12/year to LastPass, but > it's > > worth it. > > > > On Sat, Nov 15, 2014 at 6:28 PM, Frank Sweetser <fs(a)wpi.edu > > <mailto:fs@wpi.edu>> wrote: > > > > Any suggestion for any of the android app variants/clones to try? The > > couple that I looked at only claim Dropbox support, not google drive. > > > > > > On November 15, 2014 6:25:58 PM EST, JeffA Maillists > > <jeffa.maillists(a)gmail.com <mailto:jeffa.maillists@gmail.com>> > wrote: > > > > KeePass is awesome... ;-) > > > > On Nov 15, 2014 6:22 PM, "Frank Sweetser" <fs(a)wpi.edu > > <mailto:fs@wpi.edu>> wrote: > > > > Hey all, > > > > I'm looking to overhaul my password management, so I'm > looking for > > suggestions on what apps people are using. My ideal system > would > > have at least these features: > > > > - cross platform on windows, Linux, and android > > - synchronize via 3rd party cloud storage, preferably google > drive > > - *not* via an app specific service > > - good Firefox plugin > > > > Any suggestions on what to try, or to avoid, would be greatly > > appreciated. Thanks all! > > -- > > Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my > brevity. > > _______________________________________________ > > Wlug mailing list > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org <mailto:Wlug@mail.wlug.org> > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > Wlug mailing list > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org <mailto:Wlug@mail.wlug.org> > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > > > -- > > Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wlug mailing list > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org <mailto:Wlug@mail.wlug.org> > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wlug mailing list > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

Nov. 16, 2014

Re: [Wlug] Cross platform password management

by Frank Sweetser

Nice! The last time I looked, there were some issues with just dumping the database file on Google drive, so it sounds like they've made some progress since then. I'll check it out. Frank Sweetser fs at wpi.edu | For every problem, there is a solution that Manager of Network Operations | is simple, elegant, and wrong. Worcester Polytechnic Institute | - HL Mencken On 11/15/2014 9:05 PM, Richard Klein wrote: > Frank, > You just save your .kdb (or is it .kdbx?) file on Google Drive. It's just > a file that you open and save from KeePass, so KeePass doesn't have to support > Google Drive per se. > > I used KeePass for a while, but I prefer LastPass. You said you didn't > want an app-specific cloud solution, so I guess that rules out LastPass, but > it's what I like. I also pay something like $12/year to LastPass, but it's > worth it. > > On Sat, Nov 15, 2014 at 6:28 PM, Frank Sweetser <fs(a)wpi.edu > <mailto:fs@wpi.edu>> wrote: > > Any suggestion for any of the android app variants/clones to try? The > couple that I looked at only claim Dropbox support, not google drive. > > > On November 15, 2014 6:25:58 PM EST, JeffA Maillists > <jeffa.maillists(a)gmail.com <mailto:jeffa.maillists@gmail.com>> wrote: > > KeePass is awesome... ;-) > > On Nov 15, 2014 6:22 PM, "Frank Sweetser" <fs(a)wpi.edu > <mailto:fs@wpi.edu>> wrote: > > Hey all, > > I'm looking to overhaul my password management, so I'm looking for > suggestions on what apps people are using. My ideal system would > have at least these features: > > - cross platform on windows, Linux, and android > - synchronize via 3rd party cloud storage, preferably google drive > - *not* via an app specific service > - good Firefox plugin > > Any suggestions on what to try, or to avoid, would be greatly > appreciated. Thanks all! > -- > Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org <mailto:Wlug@mail.wlug.org> > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org <mailto:Wlug@mail.wlug.org> > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > -- > Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org <mailto:Wlug@mail.wlug.org> > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

Nov. 16, 2014

Re: [Wlug] Cross platform password management

by Frank Sweetser

So my scenario is that (like many others) I have multiple devices I want to access the data from. In my case I primarily use a linux desktop, and windows laptop, and android phone. The simplest case, SSH'ing in, might be how I go, but it's way low on the usability scale compared to a nicely designed app, especially on android where SSH is a last resort without a decent hardware keyboard. I actually prefer Google over a storage backend that's tightly coupled with the app, for the simple reason that it prevents any chance of the backend storage location having any privileged access to the data. Google (or dropbox, or whatever) is just a dumb bag of bytes, so there's no risk of a hushmail style exploit: http://www.wired.com/2007/11/encrypted-e-mai/ (Not that I'm worried about the Feds, the possibility of server side encryption in the workflow makes things a little too tempting for hackers IMHO.) Once the data is assumed to be reasonably secure (where "reasonable" of course depends on the exact credentials stored), letting the already-secured data hang out on Google drive is a decent trade off in security vs usability. Long term I've considered setting up OwnCloud on my box at home, but that's not something I have time to play with right now... Frank Sweetser fs at wpi.edu | For every problem, there is a solution that Manager of Network Operations | is simple, elegant, and wrong. Worcester Polytechnic Institute | - HL Mencken On 11/15/2014 9:28 PM, Chris Thompson wrote: > FWIW, +1 for LastPass, though as stated, it does not suit your purposes (both > the Chrome and FF plugins are just dandy, a nod to the FF one though). > > BTW, why the tendency to want to give yet more data to Google? Personally, I'm > with Chuck - this data does NOT belong on the cloud, period. Unfortunately > I've (so far) failed to organize myself well enough to keep the data outside > of the cloud and also accessible [at least without using my own chosen methods > of encumbrance on the data], so, LastPass it is for now, for me anyway. > > Related question: personal cloud/data access solutions? I'm guessing the > preference here is a replicate-with-a-friend(s) personal encrypted storage > system and CLI/SSH access to such storage. > > Best of luck! > --Chris > > On Sat, Nov 15, 2014 at 9:19 PM, thinkbrown(a)gmail.com > <mailto:thinkbrown@gmail.com> <thinkbrown(a)gmail.com > <mailto:thinkbrown@gmail.com>> wrote: > > A text file in a TrueCrypt container? > > Logan > > On Nov 15, 2014 6:22 PM, "Frank Sweetser" <fs(a)wpi.edu <mailto:fs@wpi.edu>> > wrote: > > Hey all, > > I'm looking to overhaul my password management, so I'm looking for > suggestions on what apps people are using. My ideal system would have > at least these features: > > - cross platform on windows, Linux, and android > - synchronize via 3rd party cloud storage, preferably google drive - > *not* via an app specific service > - good Firefox plugin > > Any suggestions on what to try, or to avoid, would be greatly > appreciated. Thanks all! > -- > Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org <mailto:Wlug@mail.wlug.org> > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org <mailto:Wlug@mail.wlug.org> > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

Nov. 16, 2014

Re: [Wlug] Cross platform password management

by Chris Thompson

FWIW, +1 for LastPass, though as stated, it does not suit your purposes (both the Chrome and FF plugins are just dandy, a nod to the FF one though). BTW, why the tendency to want to give yet more data to Google? Personally, I'm with Chuck - this data does NOT belong on the cloud, period. Unfortunately I've (so far) failed to organize myself well enough to keep the data outside of the cloud and also accessible [at least without using my own chosen methods of encumbrance on the data], so, LastPass it is for now, for me anyway. Related question: personal cloud/data access solutions? I'm guessing the preference here is a replicate-with-a-friend(s) personal encrypted storage system and CLI/SSH access to such storage. Best of luck! --Chris On Sat, Nov 15, 2014 at 9:19 PM, thinkbrown(a)gmail.com <thinkbrown(a)gmail.com> wrote: > A text file in a TrueCrypt container? > > Logan > On Nov 15, 2014 6:22 PM, "Frank Sweetser" <fs(a)wpi.edu> wrote: > >> Hey all, >> >> I'm looking to overhaul my password management, so I'm looking for >> suggestions on what apps people are using. My ideal system would have at >> least these features: >> >> - cross platform on windows, Linux, and android >> - synchronize via 3rd party cloud storage, preferably google drive - >> *not* via an app specific service >> - good Firefox plugin >> >> Any suggestions on what to try, or to avoid, would be greatly >> appreciated. Thanks all! >> -- >> Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. >> _______________________________________________ >> Wlug mailing list >> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >> >> > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > >

Nov. 16, 2014

Re: [Wlug] Cross platform password management

by thinkbrown＠gmail.com

A text file in a TrueCrypt container? Logan On Nov 15, 2014 6:22 PM, "Frank Sweetser" <fs(a)wpi.edu> wrote: > Hey all, > > I'm looking to overhaul my password management, so I'm looking for > suggestions on what apps people are using. My ideal system would have at > least these features: > > - cross platform on windows, Linux, and android > - synchronize via 3rd party cloud storage, preferably google drive - *not* > via an app specific service > - good Firefox plugin > > Any suggestions on what to try, or to avoid, would be greatly appreciated. > Thanks all! > -- > Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > >

Nov. 16, 2014

Re: [Wlug] Cross platform password management

by Richard Klein

Frank, You just save your .kdb (or is it .kdbx?) file on Google Drive. It's just a file that you open and save from KeePass, so KeePass doesn't have to support Google Drive per se. I used KeePass for a while, but I prefer LastPass. You said you didn't want an app-specific cloud solution, so I guess that rules out LastPass, but it's what I like. I also pay something like $12/year to LastPass, but it's worth it. On Sat, Nov 15, 2014 at 6:28 PM, Frank Sweetser <fs(a)wpi.edu> wrote: > Any suggestion for any of the android app variants/clones to try? The > couple that I looked at only claim Dropbox support, not google drive. > > > On November 15, 2014 6:25:58 PM EST, JeffA Maillists < > jeffa.maillists(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >> KeePass is awesome... ;-) >> On Nov 15, 2014 6:22 PM, "Frank Sweetser" <fs(a)wpi.edu> wrote: >> >>> Hey all, >>> >>> I'm looking to overhaul my password management, so I'm looking for >>> suggestions on what apps people are using. My ideal system would have at >>> least these features: >>> >>> - cross platform on windows, Linux, and android >>> - synchronize via 3rd party cloud storage, preferably google drive - >>> *not* via an app specific service >>> - good Firefox plugin >>> >>> Any suggestions on what to try, or to avoid, would be greatly >>> appreciated. Thanks all! >>> -- >>> Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wlug mailing list >>> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >>> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >>> >>> ------------------------------ >> >> Wlug mailing list >> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >> >> > -- > Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > >

Nov. 16, 2014

Re: [Wlug] Cross platform password management

by Chuck Anderson

I like keepassx because there is a CLI "shell" client I'm using called kpcli. I use both the GUI and CLI in different scenarios. I have the Android client as well, but don't really use it. Instead I SSH in and use kpcli. I prefer to keep my data local (not in the cloud), especially sensitive data like password databases. On Sat, Nov 15, 2014 at 06:21:32PM -0500, Frank Sweetser wrote: > Hey all, > > I'm looking to overhaul my password management, so I'm looking for suggestions on what apps people are using. My ideal system would have at least these features: > > - cross platform on windows, Linux, and android > - synchronize via 3rd party cloud storage, preferably google drive - *not* via an app specific service > - good Firefox plugin > > Any suggestions on what to try, or to avoid, would be greatly appreciated. Thanks all!

Nov. 16, 2014

Re: [Wlug] Cross platform password management

by Frank Sweetser

Any suggestion for any of the android app variants/clones to try? The couple that I looked at only claim Dropbox support, not google drive. On November 15, 2014 6:25:58 PM EST, JeffA Maillists <jeffa.maillists(a)gmail.com> wrote: >KeePass is awesome... ;-) >On Nov 15, 2014 6:22 PM, "Frank Sweetser" <fs(a)wpi.edu> wrote: > >> Hey all, >> >> I'm looking to overhaul my password management, so I'm looking for >> suggestions on what apps people are using. My ideal system would have >at >> least these features: >> >> - cross platform on windows, Linux, and android >> - synchronize via 3rd party cloud storage, preferably google drive - >*not* >> via an app specific service >> - good Firefox plugin >> >> Any suggestions on what to try, or to avoid, would be greatly >appreciated. >> Thanks all! >> -- >> Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. >> _______________________________________________ >> Wlug mailing list >> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >> >> > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >Wlug mailing list >Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.

Nov. 15, 2014

Re: [Wlug] Cross platform password management

by JeffA Maillists

KeePass is awesome... ;-) On Nov 15, 2014 6:22 PM, "Frank Sweetser" <fs(a)wpi.edu> wrote: > Hey all, > > I'm looking to overhaul my password management, so I'm looking for > suggestions on what apps people are using. My ideal system would have at > least these features: > > - cross platform on windows, Linux, and android > - synchronize via 3rd party cloud storage, preferably google drive - *not* > via an app specific service > - good Firefox plugin > > Any suggestions on what to try, or to avoid, would be greatly appreciated. > Thanks all! > -- > Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > >

Nov. 15, 2014

Re: [Wlug] Cross platform password management

by Higgins, Benjamin John

Keepass for the win -- Benjamin J. Higgins (‘97), JNCIA-Junos WPI Network Operations Please excuse my brevity - sending from a cell phone. On Nov 15, 2014 6:21 PM, Frank Sweetser <fs(a)WPI.EDU> wrote: > > Hey all, > > I'm looking to overhaul my password management, so I'm looking for suggestions on what apps people are Hey all, I'm looking to overhaul my password management, so I'm looking for suggestions on what apps people are using. My ideal system would have at least these features: - cross platform on windows, Linux, and android - synchronize via 3rd party cloud storage, preferably google drive - *not* via an app specific service - good Firefox plugin Any suggestions on what to try, or to avoid, would be greatly appreciated. Thanks all! -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.

Nov. 15, 2014

Cross platform password management

by Frank Sweetser

Hey all, I'm looking to overhaul my password management, so I'm looking for suggestions on what apps people are using. My ideal system would have at least these features: - cross platform on windows, Linux, and android - synchronize via 3rd party cloud storage, preferably google drive - *not* via an app specific service - good Firefox plugin Any suggestions on what to try, or to avoid, would be greatly appreciated. Thanks all! -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.

Nov. 15, 2014

Great meeting last night!

by Tim Keller

Hey Everybody! Last night we had a great meeting. Logan did a kick ass job on the Asterisks talk! Asterisks is cool than I thought and we all learned quite a bit. For those who were unable to attend, we had a surprise guest! Maddog showed up and brought along a "Banana Pi" and a "Adapteva Parallela". He also offered in the future to speak about the projects that he's currently working on. I was going to speak next month on STEM/Linux software/toys but I'm going to instead step aside for Maddog if it all works out. Also, we're going to work on getting the guy who runs Adapteva to come do a talk about the Parallela platform and his manycore architecture, etc. Later, Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

Nov. 14, 2014

Re: [Wlug] Reminder! WLUG meeting tomorrow night!

by Eric Martin

I was detained at work so I unfortunately missed the meeting. If there were slides from the presentation, could they be posted to the website so I and others could benefit from them? Thanks, On Wednesday, November 12, 2014, Tim Keller <turbofx(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Hey Everybody! > > Just a reminder we'll be having a meeting tomorrow night at 7PM in the > mid-century room (rm 331)! > > Logan Brown will be speaking about Asterisk, the open source PBX software > that lets you turn a linux computer into a sophisticated phone switch! > > There will be refreshments and after the meeting we'll head over to Tech > for some pizza! > > Hope to see you there! > > Tim. > > > > -- > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their > constituents as "consumers". > -- Sent from Gmail Mobile

Nov. 14, 2014

Reminder! WLUG meeting tomorrow night!

by Tim Keller

Hey Everybody! Just a reminder we'll be having a meeting tomorrow night at 7PM in the mid-century room (rm 331)! Logan Brown will be speaking about Asterisk, the open source PBX software that lets you turn a linux computer into a sophisticated phone switch! There will be refreshments and after the meeting we'll head over to Tech for some pizza! Hope to see you there! Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

Nov. 13, 2014

Re: [Wlug] Refreshments and snacks...

by Eric Martin

I like it. On Fri, Nov 7, 2014 at 10:34 AM, Frank Sweetser <fs(a)wpi.edu> wrote: > Those sound like good choices to me. > > On November 6, 2014 11:57:51 AM PST, Tim Keller <turbofx(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> My wife has offered to pick up the refreshments / snacks for the meeting. >> Does anybody have any preferences? >> >> I was thinking of bring Water / Coke / Cookies (likely Newman O's) >> >> We will be gorging ourselves on pizza right after so we don't have to go >> too crazy... >> >> Thanks, >> Tim. >> >> -- >> I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their >> constituents as "consumers". >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Wlug mailing list >> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >> >> > -- > Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > -- Eric Martin

Nov. 7, 2014

Re: [Wlug] Refreshments and snacks...

by Frank Sweetser

Those sound like good choices to me. On November 6, 2014 11:57:51 AM PST, Tim Keller <turbofx(a)gmail.com> wrote: >My wife has offered to pick up the refreshments / snacks for the >meeting. >Does anybody have any preferences? > >I was thinking of bring Water / Coke / Cookies (likely Newman O's) > >We will be gorging ourselves on pizza right after so we don't have to >go >too crazy... > >Thanks, >Tim. > >-- >I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their >constituents as "consumers". > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >Wlug mailing list >Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.

Nov. 7, 2014

Refreshments and snacks...

by Tim Keller

My wife has offered to pick up the refreshments / snacks for the meeting. Does anybody have any preferences? I was thinking of bring Water / Coke / Cookies (likely Newman O's) We will be gorging ourselves on pizza right after so we don't have to go too crazy... Thanks, Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

Nov. 6, 2014

Next WLUG meeting: Nov. 13th!

by Tim Keller

Hey Everybody, The next WLUG meeting is going to be held Thursday Nov. 13th 2014. It will be held in the Mid-Century room (rm 331) of the student center. Logan Brown will be giving a talk about Asterisk, the open source PBX package that lets you turn computer into a full service phone switch. Refreshments will be available and we'll be going out for pizza afterwards. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

Nov. 4, 2014

Re: [Wlug] Upcoming speakers for WLUG

by David Glaser

That would be interestingespecially when combined with mesh networking. -David On 10/29/2014 12:17 AM, Frank Sweetser wrote: > If there's interest, I'd be happy to ramble on a bit about 802.11ac, the > current new high speed wireless protocol, as well as the batch of other wifi > variants that's currently in the design pipeline. > > On 10/27/2014 10:51 AM, Tim Keller wrote: >> Hey Everybody, >> >> Here are the speakers that will be coming up... >> >> Nov: Logan Brown will be giving a talk about Asterisk/VOIP. >> Dec: Tim Keller will be giving a talk about Linux educational software / STEM >> toys / etc. >> Jan: Andy Stewart will be giving a talk about MESH networking. >> >> More information about each of these talks will be send out at the beginning >> of each month. >> >> If there's a topic you'd like to hear a talk about or something you'd like to >> talk about, feel free to email the list or me and we'll make it work. >> >> Thanks, >> Tim. >> >> -- >> I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their >> constituents as "consumers". >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wlug mailing list >> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >>

Oct. 29, 2014

Re: [Wlug] Upcoming speakers for WLUG

by Frank Sweetser

If there's interest, I'd be happy to ramble on a bit about 802.11ac, the current new high speed wireless protocol, as well as the batch of other wifi variants that's currently in the design pipeline. On 10/27/2014 10:51 AM, Tim Keller wrote: > Hey Everybody, > > Here are the speakers that will be coming up... > > Nov: Logan Brown will be giving a talk about Asterisk/VOIP. > Dec: Tim Keller will be giving a talk about Linux educational software / STEM > toys / etc. > Jan: Andy Stewart will be giving a talk about MESH networking. > > More information about each of these talks will be send out at the beginning > of each month. > > If there's a topic you'd like to hear a talk about or something you'd like to > talk about, feel free to email the list or me and we'll make it work. > > Thanks, > Tim. > > -- > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their > constituents as "consumers". > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > -- Frank Sweetser fs at wpi.edu | For every problem, there is a solution that Manager of Network Operations | is simple, elegant, and wrong. Worcester Polytechnic Institute | - HL Mencken

Oct. 29, 2014

Upcoming speakers for WLUG

by Tim Keller

Hey Everybody, Here are the speakers that will be coming up... Nov: Logan Brown will be giving a talk about Asterisk/VOIP. Dec: Tim Keller will be giving a talk about Linux educational software / STEM toys / etc. Jan: Andy Stewart will be giving a talk about MESH networking. More information about each of these talks will be send out at the beginning of each month. If there's a topic you'd like to hear a talk about or something you'd like to talk about, feel free to email the list or me and we'll make it work. Thanks, Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

Oct. 27, 2014

Re: [Wlug] Topics for next meeting (confidence in FOSS decreasing?)

by dulsi＠identicalsoftware.com

Quoting Michael C Voorhis <mvoorhis(a)cs.wpi.edu>: > So people using/running FOSS in a non-hobby environment should be > prepared to answer questions about it if we consider ourselves to be > advocates. I don't think FOSS confidence is a silly discussion item > for this group. Perfectly valid discussion. I do however question that confidence in FOSS is decreasing. The dread and doom predictions from media are just to get readers. I haven't heard of anyone switch off linux due to the problems. Instead Microsoft announces it is going to work on Docker for Windows.

Oct. 16, 2014

Re: [Wlug] Topics for next meeting (confidence in FOSS decreasing?)

by Tim Keller

Fifteen years ago we were trying to convince our boss to take a chance on replacing that sparc 20 with a linux machine. If back then these vulnerabilities had come to light it would have made our jobs really hard. Thankfully linux has had a decade to prove itself in the server room. At this point the pendulum as swung the other direction. When we have to deploy a windows box we need to think about how it's going to fit into our nice cohesive unix environment. I'd argue that these revelations and the many more to come can be demonstrated that the FOSS community cares about the quality of the software out there and is continuing to improve it. Yeah, this stuff is public, but the openness of our community almost invariably means that lots of dirty laundry ends up on the line for everybody to see. Microsoft has managed to shit show their patching operation so many times it's an easy target to FUD in the other direction. On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 1:59 PM, Michael C Voorhis <mvoorhis(a)cs.wpi.edu> wrote: > John Stoffel writes: > > What makes anyone think that closed source model is any better? Just > > look at the number of patches Microsoft, Oracle (Java) and Adobe have > > to release for their products all the time. If they were so much > > better, why do they supply so many patches? > > I certainly do NOT think the closed source model is better. Anyone > who knows how I work will know the extent to which I believe this. > But it is also truthful that all these "events" --heartbleed, the bash > problem, and now TLSv3 (oh yeah, it's called "POODLE") is adding to > the FUD. > > The fact that I can look at sourcecode tips the balance in favor of > FOSS for me certainly, and I assume for most people on this list. But > that doesn't change the fact that the questions are out there. > > So people using/running FOSS in a non-hobby environment should be > prepared to answer questions about it if we consider ourselves to be > advocates. I don't think FOSS confidence is a silly discussion item > for this group. > > --MCV. > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

Oct. 16, 2014

Re: [Wlug] Topics for next meeting (confidence in FOSS decreasing?)

by Michael C Voorhis

John Stoffel writes: > What makes anyone think that closed source model is any better? Just > look at the number of patches Microsoft, Oracle (Java) and Adobe have > to release for their products all the time. If they were so much > better, why do they supply so many patches? I certainly do NOT think the closed source model is better. Anyone who knows how I work will know the extent to which I believe this. But it is also truthful that all these "events" --heartbleed, the bash problem, and now TLSv3 (oh yeah, it's called "POODLE") is adding to the FUD. The fact that I can look at sourcecode tips the balance in favor of FOSS for me certainly, and I assume for most people on this list. But that doesn't change the fact that the questions are out there. So people using/running FOSS in a non-hobby environment should be prepared to answer questions about it if we consider ourselves to be advocates. I don't think FOSS confidence is a silly discussion item for this group. --MCV.

Oct. 16, 2014

Re: [Wlug] Topics for next meeting (confidence in FOSS decreasing?)

by John Stoffel

What makes anyone think that closed source model is any better? Just look at the number of patches Microsoft, Oracle (Java) and Adobe have to release for their products all the time. If they were so much better, why do they supply so many patches? John

Oct. 16, 2014

Re: [Wlug] Topics for next meeting (confidence in FOSS decreasing?)

by Keith Wright

Michael C Voorhis <mvoorhis(a)cs.wpi.edu> writes: > Here's an interesting discussion topic: > > ../hackers-shake-confidence-in-1980s-free-software-idealism.html > ../heartbleed----another-horrible--horrible--open-source-fail.html > ../heartbleed-is-the-open-source-development-model-broken/ > > [...etc...] Where there's smoke, there's a smoke making machine. Maybe a more interesting topic would be: Why were WPI IT employees who usualy hang out in the basement all over campus at 6am trying to undo the emergency security patches that MS had installed overnight? Now excuse me, I have to go put Windows 9 on my Xbox. -- Keith PS: Are there bugs in open-source software? Yes, a few. Are there bugs in secret-source software? Yes, many. Did I learn from Rumsfeld to ask myself easy questions before you can ask a hard one? Yes, exactly.

Oct. 16, 2014

Topics for next meeting (confidence in FOSS decreasing?)

by Michael C Voorhis

Here's an interesting discussion topic: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-10-14/hackers-shake-confidence-in-1980s-… http://www.computerworld.com/article/2476147/encryption/heartbleed----anoth… http://www.zdnet.com/debate/heartbleed-is-the-open-source-development-model… http://connection.ebscohost.com/c/opinions/95606763/heartbleed-should-not-b… [...etc...]

Oct. 15, 2014

Re: [Wlug] Topics for next meeting...

by Joel

I second the snap circuits. . My 7 year old has been experimenting with it for over a year. Starting to follow instructions now and build more complex stuff. Thank you, Joel On October 15, 2014 11:18:40 AM Tim Keller <turbofx(a)gmail.com> wrote: Eric, Firstly, congratulations! Eli might be too young for it right now, but a couple years ago I bought Isabelle a "Snap Circuits" kit: http://www.amazon.com/Elenco-Snap-Circuits-SC-300-Physics/dp/B00CIXVIRQ It's been a hit in our house. I'm thinking of buying a copy of "Code Monkey Island": http://codemonkeyplanet.com/ Though I'd like to see the reviews first. Later, Tim. On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 8:46 AM, Eric Martin <eric.joshua.martin(a)gmail.com> wrote: > We just had our second and our first is super interested in things so I'm > on board too. Telephony is also good for my job so no arguments here. > > > On Wednesday, October 15, 2014, Joel <joelgroup(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> I have a 7 year old, so kids & education sounds great. >> >> Telephony would be a great topic as well. >> >> Thank you, >> >> Joel >> >> >> >> >> On October 14, 2014 5:37:27 PM Tim Keller <turbofx(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >> I figure we're half way through October at this point, we should start >> thinking about what we'd like talk about for a topic next month. >> >> One area that's of interest to me with young kids is educational programs >> that work on linux. >> >> Thanks, >> Tim. >> >> -- >> I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their >> constituents as "consumers". >> >> >> >> ---------- >> _______________________________________________ >> Wlug mailing list >> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wlug mailing list >> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >> > > > -- > Eric Martin > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers". ---------- _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Oct. 15, 2014

Re: [Wlug] Topics for next meeting...

by Tim Keller

Eric, Firstly, congratulations! Eli might be too young for it right now, but a couple years ago I bought Isabelle a "Snap Circuits" kit: http://www.amazon.com/Elenco-Snap-Circuits-SC-300-Physics/dp/B00CIXVIRQ It's been a hit in our house. I'm thinking of buying a copy of "Code Monkey Island": http://codemonkeyplanet.com/ Though I'd like to see the reviews first. Later, Tim. On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 8:46 AM, Eric Martin <eric.joshua.martin(a)gmail.com> wrote: > We just had our second and our first is super interested in things so I'm > on board too. Telephony is also good for my job so no arguments here. > > > On Wednesday, October 15, 2014, Joel <joelgroup(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> I have a 7 year old, so kids & education sounds great. >> >> Telephony would be a great topic as well. >> >> Thank you, >> >> Joel >> >> >> >> >> On October 14, 2014 5:37:27 PM Tim Keller <turbofx(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >> I figure we're half way through October at this point, we should start >> thinking about what we'd like talk about for a topic next month. >> >> One area that's of interest to me with young kids is educational programs >> that work on linux. >> >> Thanks, >> Tim. >> >> -- >> I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their >> constituents as "consumers". >> >> >> >> ---------- >> _______________________________________________ >> Wlug mailing list >> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wlug mailing list >> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >> > > > -- > Eric Martin > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

Oct. 15, 2014

Re: [Wlug] Topics for next meeting...

by Tim Keller

I like the idea of doing the Asterisk/Telephony talk for Nov. Logan that would give you some time to polish your presentation, etc. I have no problem giving the talk on "Educational programs and toys that work with linux" for Dec that's a good lead into $GIFT_GIVING_HOLIDAY. Thanks, Tim. On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 8:09 AM, Joel <joelgroup(a)gmail.com> wrote: > I have a 7 year old, so kids & education sounds great. > > Telephony would be a great topic as well. > > Thank you, > > Joel > > > > > On October 14, 2014 5:37:27 PM Tim Keller <turbofx(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > I figure we're half way through October at this point, we should start > thinking about what we'd like talk about for a topic next month. > > One area that's of interest to me with young kids is educational programs > that work on linux. > > Thanks, > Tim. > > -- > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their > constituents as "consumers". > > > > ---------- > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

Oct. 15, 2014

Re: [Wlug] Topics for next meeting...

by Eric Martin

We just had our second and our first is super interested in things so I'm on board too. Telephony is also good for my job so no arguments here. On Wednesday, October 15, 2014, Joel <joelgroup(a)gmail.com> wrote: > I have a 7 year old, so kids & education sounds great. > > Telephony would be a great topic as well. > > Thank you, > > Joel > > > > > On October 14, 2014 5:37:27 PM Tim Keller <turbofx(a)gmail.com > <javascript:;>> wrote: > > I figure we're half way through October at this point, we should start > thinking about what we'd like talk about for a topic next month. > > One area that's of interest to me with young kids is educational programs > that work on linux. > > Thanks, > Tim. > > -- > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their > constituents as "consumers". > > > > ---------- > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org <javascript:;> > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org <javascript:;> > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > -- Eric Martin

Oct. 15, 2014

Re: [Wlug] Topics for next meeting...

by Joel

I have a 7 year old, so kids & education sounds great. Telephony would be a great topic as well. Thank you, Joel On October 14, 2014 5:37:27 PM Tim Keller <turbofx(a)gmail.com> wrote: I figure we're half way through October at this point, we should start thinking about what we'd like talk about for a topic next month. One area that's of interest to me with young kids is educational programs that work on linux. Thanks, Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers". ---------- _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Oct. 15, 2014

Re: [Wlug] Topics for next meeting...

by thinkbrown＠gmail.com

I'd be willing to do a little presentation on Asterisk. I ran a server at WPI with Nortel UNISTIM and software SIP clients. Logan Brown On Oct 14, 2014 8:37 PM, "E Johnson" <iris.gates(a)gmail.com> wrote: > I would be interested in SIP & internet telephony. Would LOVE an open > source, low cost (server) alternative to Skype. Not attached to when a > presentation like this might happen, but would like to hear how someone > made this work. Tried Ekiga and I think one other several years ago... it > worked but the sound was horrible. Hopefully the technology has progressed > considerably since then. > > Liz J > > > On 14 October 2014 18:59, Keith Wright <kwright(a)keithdiane.us> wrote: > >> Tim Keller <turbofx(a)gmail.com> writes: >> >> > I figure we're half way through October at >> > this point, we should start thinking about >> > what we'd like talk about for a topic next >> > month. >> >> Start thinking? Was it Curly Howard who said: >> "I'm trying, but nothing happens"? >> >> Actually, I thought the young dude sitting >> next to me, whose name I forget, semi-voluteered >> to talk about SIP and internet telephony. >> >> I hope he remembers and tells this list >> who he is and whether he is ready. >> >> > One area that's of interest to me with >> > young kids is educational programs that >> > work on linux. >> >> Is that a proposal, or a RFP? >> >> -- Keith >> _______________________________________________ >> Wlug mailing list >> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > >

Oct. 15, 2014

Re: [Wlug] Topics for next meeting...

by E Johnson

I would be interested in SIP & internet telephony. Would LOVE an open source, low cost (server) alternative to Skype. Not attached to when a presentation like this might happen, but would like to hear how someone made this work. Tried Ekiga and I think one other several years ago... it worked but the sound was horrible. Hopefully the technology has progressed considerably since then. Liz J On 14 October 2014 18:59, Keith Wright <kwright(a)keithdiane.us> wrote: > Tim Keller <turbofx(a)gmail.com> writes: > > > I figure we're half way through October at > > this point, we should start thinking about > > what we'd like talk about for a topic next > > month. > > Start thinking? Was it Curly Howard who said: > "I'm trying, but nothing happens"? > > Actually, I thought the young dude sitting > next to me, whose name I forget, semi-voluteered > to talk about SIP and internet telephony. > > I hope he remembers and tells this list > who he is and whether he is ready. > > > One area that's of interest to me with > > young kids is educational programs that > > work on linux. > > Is that a proposal, or a RFP? > > -- Keith > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

Oct. 15, 2014

Re: [Wlug] Topics for next meeting...

by dulsi＠identicalsoftware.com

Funny I just wrote a program due to having young kids. I wondered how my oldest would do at spelling tests in first grade. I decided to whip up a game to test his spelling. Due to my son's obsession with Legos I used a Lego movie setting for the game. You play Batman trying to rescue people from some new think tanks. Each character has a password to release them based on them. Batman says what the word is an you have to spell it. Of course getting enough content in to be usable is taking time. My son's spelling words don't always work easily either. My sons have played with gcompris a little bit. Quoting Tim Keller <turbofx(a)gmail.com>: > I figure we're half way through October at this point, we should start > thinking about what we'd like talk about for a topic next month. > > One area that's of interest to me with young kids is educational programs > that work on linux. > > Thanks, > Tim. > > -- > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their > constituents as "consumers". >

Oct. 15, 2014

Re: [Wlug] Topics for next meeting...

by Keith Wright

Tim Keller <turbofx(a)gmail.com> writes: > I figure we're half way through October at > this point, we should start thinking about > what we'd like talk about for a topic next > month. Start thinking? Was it Curly Howard who said: "I'm trying, but nothing happens"? Actually, I thought the young dude sitting next to me, whose name I forget, semi-voluteered to talk about SIP and internet telephony. I hope he remembers and tells this list who he is and whether he is ready. > One area that's of interest to me with > young kids is educational programs that > work on linux. Is that a proposal, or a RFP? -- Keith

Oct. 14, 2014

Topics for next meeting...

by Tim Keller

I figure we're half way through October at this point, we should start thinking about what we'd like talk about for a topic next month. One area that's of interest to me with young kids is educational programs that work on linux. Thanks, Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

Oct. 14, 2014

WLUG Meeting Tonight

by Chuck Anderson

For what its worth at this point in time, a bunch of us ARE going to be at the meeting tonight, including myself.

Oct. 9, 2014

Re: [Wlug] Musing about meetings...

by Robert Schwein

Google Calendar works for me. Bob On 10/9/2014 12:00 PM, Chuck Anderson wrote: > How would people feel about using Google Calendar? We can embed the > calendar on the website and provide an ICS download link for anyone > who doesn't want to use a Google account. For those who don't mind > using a Google account, they can subscribe directly to the calendar > and get updates in real time. The only think Google cannot do is > invite non-Google/Gmail accounts directly (well it can, but then it > asks the recipient to create a Google account), although we may be > able to hack something to allow the wlug list to get reminder emails > from it. > > On Thu, Oct 09, 2014 at 09:50:06AM -0400, Joel wrote: >> I guess my email started this, so it is only fair to share. >> >> Tim hit it right on the head with scheduling being crazy for some involved. >> On my end, my family starts discussing if and how I make WLUG around >> Tuesday evening (for Thursday meeting). A decade ago I merely drove in WPI >> direction that evening after work (keys -> drive through -> WLUG) . >> >> Prior monthly meetings without a discussion / reminder / email have ended >> with two or less people showing up. Not a big vote for the meeting being >> 2nd Thursday no matter what. For that reason WLUG likely needs some remind >> or "buzz" (email, discussion, reminder, ...) the week of meeting (even >> for a roundtable) . >> >> I would not push for WLUG using a paid (or free) 3rd party site for who is >> / isn't going. First, not sure I would use /login to it. Second, if 3 >> people or more show, it's a meeting (think 2 or less hampers discussion). >> . I am sooooo past only going if John Smith goes... >> >> As to which evening, Wednesdays compete with three other things, two >> fixed and one floating Wednesday. . Thursdays, the second (or any) would >> be my preference. >> >> I would vote for Tim's auto WLUG reminder. >> >> Also, possibly combined with an ICS type meeting invite email. Choosing to >> approve meeting once could get it on everyone's electronic calendar >> perpetually. >> >> Thank you, >> >> Joel >> >> >> >> >> On October 8, 2014 8:29:26 PM Tim Keller <turbofx(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Okay Gang, >> >> In the 10+ years that this group has been in existence many of us have >> gotten married, had a couple of kids, etc. This means that planning for a >> WLUG meeting needs to happen in a much more scheduled manner. Sending out >> a meeting reminder the day before a meeting just doesn't cut it anymore. >> I've spoken with Chuck and things are going to be changing. >> >> However, before we do anything, I think it makes sense to ask some >> questions. >> >> Does the first Wednesday of every month work for everybody? >> >> Would going back to the Wed/Thurs alternating schedule work better for >> people? >> >> What I'd like to implement is an automated meeting system that'll >> automatically send a reminder at the beginning of the month and then a >> subsequent reminder the day or two before. >> >> I'd love input on this. >> >> Thanks, >> Tim. >> >> -- >> I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their >> constituents as "consumers". > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

Oct. 9, 2014

Re: [Wlug] Musing about meetings...

by Eric Martin

I agree with Ron, but I think we should have something else as well. Maybe a cron job that fills in some info from a file, with a link to an updated webpage? On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 1:11 PM, The Hammer <hammerron(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > In general, I like Google Calendar, and think I'd prefer it over > Meetup....my two cents > > Ron > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Chuck Anderson <cra(a)WPI.EDU> > *To:* Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> > *Sent:* Thursday, October 9, 2014 12:00 PM > *Subject:* Re: [Wlug] Musing about meetings... > > How would people feel about using Google Calendar? We can embed the > calendar on the website and provide an ICS download link for anyone > who doesn't want to use a Google account. For those who don't mind > using a Google account, they can subscribe directly to the calendar > and get updates in real time. The only think Google cannot do is > invite non-Google/Gmail accounts directly (well it can, but then it > asks the recipient to create a Google account), although we may be > able to hack something to allow the wlug list to get reminder emails > from it. > > > > On Thu, Oct 09, 2014 at 09:50:06AM -0400, Joel wrote: > > I guess my email started this, so it is only fair to share. > > > > Tim hit it right on the head with scheduling being crazy for some > involved. > > On my end, my family starts discussing if and how I make WLUG around > > Tuesday evening (for Thursday meeting). A decade ago I merely drove in > WPI > > direction that evening after work (keys -> drive through -> WLUG) . > > > > Prior monthly meetings without a discussion / reminder / email have > ended > > with two or less people showing up. Not a big vote for the meeting > being > > 2nd Thursday no matter what. For that reason WLUG likely needs some > remind > > or "buzz" (email, discussion, reminder, ...) the week of meeting > (even > > for a roundtable) . > > > > I would not push for WLUG using a paid (or free) 3rd party site for who > is > > / isn't going. First, not sure I would use /login to it. Second, if 3 > > people or more show, it's a meeting (think 2 or less hampers > discussion). > > . I am sooooo past only going if John Smith goes... > > > > As to which evening, Wednesdays compete with three other things, two > > fixed and one floating Wednesday. . Thursdays, the second (or any) > would > > be my preference. > > > > I would vote for Tim's auto WLUG reminder. > > > > Also, possibly combined with an ICS type meeting invite email. Choosing > to > > approve meeting once could get it on everyone's electronic calendar > > perpetually. > > > > Thank you, > > > > Joel > > > > > > > > > > On October 8, 2014 8:29:26 PM Tim Keller <turbofx(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > Okay Gang, > > > > In the 10+ years that this group has been in existence many of us have > > gotten married, had a couple of kids, etc. This means that planning for > a > > WLUG meeting needs to happen in a much more scheduled manner. Sending > out > > a meeting reminder the day before a meeting just doesn't cut it anymore. > > I've spoken with Chuck and things are going to be changing. > > > > However, before we do anything, I think it makes sense to ask some > > questions. > > > > Does the first Wednesday of every month work for everybody? > > > > Would going back to the Wed/Thurs alternating schedule work better for > > people? > > > > What I'd like to implement is an automated meeting system that'll > > automatically send a reminder at the beginning of the month and then a > > subsequent reminder the day or two before. > > > > I'd love input on this. > > > > Thanks, > > Tim. > > > > -- > > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their > > constituents as "consumers". > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > -- Eric Martin

Oct. 9, 2014

Re: [Wlug] Musing about meetings...

by The Hammer

In general, I like Google Calendar, and think I'd prefer it over Meetup....my two cents Ron ________________________________ From: Chuck Anderson <cra(a)WPI.EDU> To: Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> Sent: Thursday, October 9, 2014 12:00 PM Subject: Re: [Wlug] Musing about meetings... How would people feel about using Google Calendar? We can embed the calendar on the website and provide an ICS download link for anyone who doesn't want to use a Google account. For those who don't mind using a Google account, they can subscribe directly to the calendar and get updates in real time. The only think Google cannot do is invite non-Google/Gmail accounts directly (well it can, but then it asks the recipient to create a Google account), although we may be able to hack something to allow the wlug list to get reminder emails from it. On Thu, Oct 09, 2014 at 09:50:06AM -0400, Joel wrote: > I guess my email started this, so it is only fair to share. > > Tim hit it right on the head with scheduling being crazy for some involved. > On my end, my family starts discussing if and how I make WLUG around > Tuesday evening (for Thursday meeting). A decade ago I merely drove in WPI > direction that evening after work (keys -> drive through -> WLUG) . > > Prior monthly meetings without a discussion / reminder / email have ended > with two or less people showing up. Not a big vote for the meeting being > 2nd Thursday no matter what. For that reason WLUG likely needs some remind > or "buzz" (email, discussion, reminder, ...) the week of meeting (even > for a roundtable) . > > I would not push for WLUG using a paid (or free) 3rd party site for who is > / isn't going. First, not sure I would use /login to it. Second, if 3 > people or more show, it's a meeting (think 2 or less hampers discussion). > . I am sooooo past only going if John Smith goes... > > As to which evening, Wednesdays compete with three other things, two > fixed and one floating Wednesday. . Thursdays, the second (or any) would > be my preference. > > I would vote for Tim's auto WLUG reminder. > > Also, possibly combined with an ICS type meeting invite email. Choosing to > approve meeting once could get it on everyone's electronic calendar > perpetually. > > Thank you, > > Joel > > > > > On October 8, 2014 8:29:26 PM Tim Keller <turbofx(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > Okay Gang, > > In the 10+ years that this group has been in existence many of us have > gotten married, had a couple of kids, etc. This means that planning for a > WLUG meeting needs to happen in a much more scheduled manner. Sending out > a meeting reminder the day before a meeting just doesn't cut it anymore. > I've spoken with Chuck and things are going to be changing. > > However, before we do anything, I think it makes sense to ask some > questions. > > Does the first Wednesday of every month work for everybody? > > Would going back to the Wed/Thurs alternating schedule work better for > people? > > What I'd like to implement is an automated meeting system that'll > automatically send a reminder at the beginning of the month and then a > subsequent reminder the day or two before. > > I'd love input on this. > > Thanks, > Tim. > > -- > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their > constituents as "consumers". _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Oct. 9, 2014

Re: [Wlug] Musing about meetings...

by E Johnson

I would appreciate email announcements continue as they have been. It doesn't matter to me if another system is also used. I think I have most of the other, non-gmail possible functions in my Google account non-enabled. Liz J On 9 October 2014 12:00, Chuck Anderson <cra(a)wpi.edu> wrote: > How would people feel about using Google Calendar? We can embed the > calendar on the website and provide an ICS download link for anyone > who doesn't want to use a Google account. For those who don't mind > using a Google account, they can subscribe directly to the calendar > and get updates in real time. The only think Google cannot do is > invite non-Google/Gmail accounts directly (well it can, but then it > asks the recipient to create a Google account), although we may be > able to hack something to allow the wlug list to get reminder emails > from it. >

Oct. 9, 2014

Re: [Wlug] Musing about meetings...

by Chuck Anderson

How would people feel about using Google Calendar? We can embed the calendar on the website and provide an ICS download link for anyone who doesn't want to use a Google account. For those who don't mind using a Google account, they can subscribe directly to the calendar and get updates in real time. The only think Google cannot do is invite non-Google/Gmail accounts directly (well it can, but then it asks the recipient to create a Google account), although we may be able to hack something to allow the wlug list to get reminder emails from it. On Thu, Oct 09, 2014 at 09:50:06AM -0400, Joel wrote: > I guess my email started this, so it is only fair to share. > > Tim hit it right on the head with scheduling being crazy for some involved. > On my end, my family starts discussing if and how I make WLUG around > Tuesday evening (for Thursday meeting). A decade ago I merely drove in WPI > direction that evening after work (keys -> drive through -> WLUG) . > > Prior monthly meetings without a discussion / reminder / email have ended > with two or less people showing up. Not a big vote for the meeting being > 2nd Thursday no matter what. For that reason WLUG likely needs some remind > or "buzz" (email, discussion, reminder, ...) the week of meeting (even > for a roundtable) . > > I would not push for WLUG using a paid (or free) 3rd party site for who is > / isn't going. First, not sure I would use /login to it. Second, if 3 > people or more show, it's a meeting (think 2 or less hampers discussion). > . I am sooooo past only going if John Smith goes... > > As to which evening, Wednesdays compete with three other things, two > fixed and one floating Wednesday. . Thursdays, the second (or any) would > be my preference. > > I would vote for Tim's auto WLUG reminder. > > Also, possibly combined with an ICS type meeting invite email. Choosing to > approve meeting once could get it on everyone's electronic calendar > perpetually. > > Thank you, > > Joel > > > > > On October 8, 2014 8:29:26 PM Tim Keller <turbofx(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > Okay Gang, > > In the 10+ years that this group has been in existence many of us have > gotten married, had a couple of kids, etc. This means that planning for a > WLUG meeting needs to happen in a much more scheduled manner. Sending out > a meeting reminder the day before a meeting just doesn't cut it anymore. > I've spoken with Chuck and things are going to be changing. > > However, before we do anything, I think it makes sense to ask some > questions. > > Does the first Wednesday of every month work for everybody? > > Would going back to the Wed/Thurs alternating schedule work better for > people? > > What I'd like to implement is an automated meeting system that'll > automatically send a reminder at the beginning of the month and then a > subsequent reminder the day or two before. > > I'd love input on this. > > Thanks, > Tim. > > -- > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their > constituents as "consumers".

Oct. 9, 2014

Re: [Wlug] Musing about meetings...

by Joel

I guess my email started this, so it is only fair to share. Tim hit it right on the head with scheduling being crazy for some involved. On my end, my family starts discussing if and how I make WLUG around Tuesday evening (for Thursday meeting). A decade ago I merely drove in WPI direction that evening after work (keys -> drive through -> WLUG) . Prior monthly meetings without a discussion / reminder / email have ended with two or less people showing up. Not a big vote for the meeting being 2nd Thursday no matter what. For that reason WLUG likely needs some remind or "buzz" (email, discussion, reminder, ...) the week of meeting (even for a roundtable) . I would not push for WLUG using a paid (or free) 3rd party site for who is / isn't going. First, not sure I would use /login to it. Second, if 3 people or more show, it's a meeting (think 2 or less hampers discussion). . I am sooooo past only going if John Smith goes... As to which evening, Wednesdays compete with three other things, two fixed and one floating Wednesday. . Thursdays, the second (or any) would be my preference. I would vote for Tim's auto WLUG reminder. Also, possibly combined with an ICS type meeting invite email. Choosing to approve meeting once could get it on everyone's electronic calendar perpetually. Thank you, Joel On October 8, 2014 8:29:26 PM Tim Keller <turbofx(a)gmail.com> wrote: Okay Gang, In the 10+ years that this group has been in existence many of us have gotten married, had a couple of kids, etc. This means that planning for a WLUG meeting needs to happen in a much more scheduled manner. Sending out a meeting reminder the day before a meeting just doesn't cut it anymore. I've spoken with Chuck and things are going to be changing. However, before we do anything, I think it makes sense to ask some questions. Does the first Wednesday of every month work for everybody? Would going back to the Wed/Thurs alternating schedule work better for people? What I'd like to implement is an automated meeting system that'll automatically send a reminder at the beginning of the month and then a subsequent reminder the day or two before. I'd love input on this. Thanks, Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers". ---------- _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Oct. 9, 2014

Re: [Wlug] Musing about meetings...

by Chuck Anderson

Hello everyone, I'm not dead yet, but I have been remiss in my duties. For that I apologize. As Tim says, we've all become too busy, me especially since joining/increasing responsibilities in two other organizations in the past year. I've mentioned this before, but I think I should formalize the current expectations for meetings: For the forseeable future, the WLUG meetings are always on the 2nd Thursday of every month, whether I forget to announce it or not, whether I can make it to the meeting or not, and whether there is a topic or speaker scheduled or not. If there isn't a specific speaker/topic decided in advance, the meetings are open forums for discussion and support. Until we get an automated reminder system going, here is the remaining schedule until June next year. Feel free to put these on your calendar now and set calendar event reminders (or simply create a recurring meeting for every 2nd Thursday). I'll post this to the website as well. Thu Oct 9 2014 7:00PM-9:00PM Campus Center Mid-Century Room Thu Nov 13 2014 7:00PM-9:00PM Campus Center Mid-Century Room Thu Dec 11 2014 7:00PM-9:00PM Campus Center Mid-Century Room Thu Jan 8 2015 7:00PM-9:00PM Campus Center Mid-Century Room Thu Feb 12 2015 7:00PM-9:00PM Campus Center Mid-Century Room Thu Mar 12 2015 7:00PM-9:00PM Campus Center Mid-Century Room Thu Apr 9 2015 7:00PM-9:00PM Campus Center Mid-Century Room Thu May 14 2015 7:00PM-9:00PM no room yet Thu Jun 11 2015 7:00PM-9:00PM no room yet We can discuss changing days, but I don't think the problem is the choice of day. There is always going to be a day that some people can never make, always make, or sometimes make. For myself personally, I cannot do Wednesdays except maybe in July and August. I'll also point out other local groups' schedules so we can avoid conflicts if possible (and for those looking for other groups!): Chelmsford Linux Meetup, www.meetup.com/linux-393, 1st Thursdays Worcester Linux Users Group (WLUG), wlug.org, 2nd Thursdays Back Bay Lisa (BBLISA), bblisa.org, 2nd Wednesdays Boston Linux/Unix (BLU), blu.org, 3rd Wednesdays (and other events on other days) FOSS User Group in Natick, Massachusetts, http://natickfoss.org, 3-6PM on the 1st Thursday of most months (but 2nd Thursday in January, July and September) Greater New Hampshire LUG (GNHLUG), http://wiki.gnhlug.org/twiki2/bin/view/Www/OurChapters DLSLUG 1st Thursday Carson Hall, Dartmouth College, Hanover SLUG 2nd Monday Morse Hall, UNH, Durham MonadLUG 2nd Monday SAU 1 offices, Peterborough ManchLUG 4th Tuesday Wings Your Way, Manchester PySIG 4th Thursday Amoskeag Business Incubator, Manchester MerriLUG 1st Tuesday MakeIt? Labs, Nashua (not sure of the current status of these chapters) Linux Rhode Island, linuxri.org, http://www.linuxri.org/, 2nd Saturdays Greater Hartford Linux User Group (GHGLUG), http://www.meetup.com/GHGLUG/, 4th Wednesdays Finally, another concern I'm sure people have is "Will there be anyone at the meetings if I drive all the way there?" To address this, we could all be more diligent about emailing the list when we plan to attend, or we could move to a more social website oriented system, like Meetup.com, where people can "join" each month and say they are going to be there. As you can see, several of the local groups already use meetup.com. Meetup.com does cost money for the group organizer (it is free for everyone else who joins a group), but we have some money in the bank to get us started. We'd just have to take up a collection every month to keep it going. Pricing is cheap, $24/year: http://help.meetup.com/customer/portal/articles/465027-organizer-dues-price… Sadly, I'm probably not going to make it today's meeting either. On Wed, Oct 08, 2014 at 08:28:35PM -0400, Tim Keller wrote: > Okay Gang, > > In the 10+ years that this group has been in existence many of us have > gotten married, had a couple of kids, etc. This means that planning for a > WLUG meeting needs to happen in a much more scheduled manner. Sending out > a meeting reminder the day before a meeting just doesn't cut it anymore. > I've spoken with Chuck and things are going to be changing. > > However, before we do anything, I think it makes sense to ask some > questions. > > Does the first Wednesday of every month work for everybody? > > Would going back to the Wed/Thurs alternating schedule work better for > people? > > What I'd like to implement is an automated meeting system that'll > automatically send a reminder at the beginning of the month and then a > subsequent reminder the day or two before. > > I'd love input on this. > > Thanks, > Tim.

Oct. 9, 2014

Re: [Wlug] Musing about meetings...

by Robert Schwein

Wed is tight but doable. I have an every-Wed. 4 pm meeting building the new FM radio station over here in Athol. Thursdays are clear. I can make either arrangement. Bob On 10/8/2014 8:28 PM, Tim Keller wrote: > Okay Gang, > > In the 10+ years that this group has been in existence many of us have > gotten married, had a couple of kids, etc. This means that planning > for a WLUG meeting needs to happen in a much more scheduled manner. > Sending out a meeting reminder the day before a meeting just doesn't > cut it anymore. I've spoken with Chuck and things are going to be > changing. > > However, before we do anything, I think it makes sense to ask some > questions. > > Does the first Wednesday of every month work for everybody? > > Would going back to the Wed/Thurs alternating schedule work better for > people? > > What I'd like to implement is an automated meeting system that'll > automatically send a reminder at the beginning of the month and then a > subsequent reminder the day or two before. > > I'd love input on this. > > Thanks, > Tim. > > -- > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their > constituents as "consumers". > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Oct. 9, 2014

Musing about meetings...

by Tim Keller

Okay Gang, In the 10+ years that this group has been in existence many of us have gotten married, had a couple of kids, etc. This means that planning for a WLUG meeting needs to happen in a much more scheduled manner. Sending out a meeting reminder the day before a meeting just doesn't cut it anymore. I've spoken with Chuck and things are going to be changing. However, before we do anything, I think it makes sense to ask some questions. Does the first Wednesday of every month work for everybody? Would going back to the Wed/Thurs alternating schedule work better for people? What I'd like to implement is an automated meeting system that'll automatically send a reminder at the beginning of the month and then a subsequent reminder the day or two before. I'd love input on this. Thanks, Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

Oct. 9, 2014

Re: [Wlug] The "broken" text file (was: I guess this is goodbye... )

by E Johnson

Thank you, Michael. I had one of these progs or maybe both, in a previous hard drive. Gramps and Lifelines output nice records of various kinds. Although a gedcom is not what this corrupted text file is, exactly. It has the same format, but a gedcom pertains only to that set of individuals who is somehow related to the person at the head of the gedcom. My database has many family groups who are entirely unrelated to any specific single individual. I could produce a gedcom from this file (have, etc), but this requires selecting an individual who is the starting point for either descendants of the person, or ancestors of them. But since I think I know the surname of the family I was working on at the time of the fryolation, maybe I can get the prog to make a gedcom from them. If so, this sounds like it might work. I'll check and see if one or the other of these progs includes a file-validator. Thank you for the idea. Liz On 8 October 2014 19:44, Michael C Voorhis <mvoorhis(a)cs.wpi.edu> wrote: > E Johnson writes: > > So now I think I need some way of seeing the text in this file, so > > that I can find where the glitched-up text is, that is hanging up > > the whole operation. > > Google searches for "gedcom file validator" or "gedcom file checker" > both produce useful (and free) results, but the results appear for the > most part to be Windows programs. > > If you want a linux/foss-ish program, you can look at these: > > http://gramps-project.org/ > http://lifelines.sourceforge.net/ > http://genj.sourceforge.net/ > > They all work with gedcom files I believe. One of them might perhaps > include a file-validator which would tell you more about the > corruption in your gedcom file. > > --MCV.

Oct. 9, 2014

Re: [Wlug] The "broken" text file (was: I guess this is goodbye... )

by E Johnson

John, You had to read the whole file manually, or that is, had to look at every line until you spotted the corrupted part? I don't mind (it can't be any harder than reading a whole Harry Potter book or something), but just wondering what I might be getting into by this method. Most of the entries in this file are very short (20 characters at most), except for some notes under certain individuals, which contain census records and/or one or more paragraphs of text. I know the notes are okay, but still. 115,000+ individuals here. Reading the file manually might be the quickest way though. So did you just read every line of your glitched up file? Thanks, Liz On 8 October 2014 19:33, John Platt <jplatt39(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Um. I do things my own way but I seem to remember I once found an > especially nasty piece of corruption doing string <filename.txt> and piping > the output through less. Strings has a man page and it's in the info > binutils section if you want to look at the documentation. > > On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 6:51 PM, E Johnson <iris.gates(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> Okay. Here's what happened. >> >> I transferred the text file "bases" by sftp to my spare computer here. >> It's a 20 MB text file, with a weird file exptension .gw, that IS a text >> file (file manager says so) and that my program (Geneweb) understands. This >> file transfer took under 2 seconds for the 20 MB. No complaints. >> >> I tried opening it... Abiword would do that --it tried --but at 85% >> completed "building" the file (which Abiword said it was doing), and since >> it didn't seem to be getting past that 85% and by then, both cores of the >> processor in that computer were up to about 83 degrees and the mobo was >> also getting hot. So I aborted Abiword, assuming that it might be getting >> stuck wherever the first (only??) glich is. BTW I think this glitch >> happened when the landlady's handman was up here in the kitchen fixing the >> string-pull on a light in the kitchen without turning off the power, and >> shorted the hot wire to the negative. I ended up having to buy a new router >> AND modem because of that. >> >> Anyway, I also assume that command line functions such as cp will be >> equally easy to make happen. >> >> So now I think I need some way of seeing the text in this file, so that I >> can find where the glitched-up text is, that is hanging up the whole >> operation. Somehow or other, I still need a way to see the text, and/or to >> write some script that can find the glitches in it. I know the name of one >> of the families I was working on at the time, and know that that surname >> DOES hang and not present all of its descendants, so I could start there. >> >> Thanks in advance for the help. >> >> Liz J >> >> >> On 8 October 2014 14:20, E Johnson <iris.gates(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Tim, >>> >>> I'll try the cp; don't remember if I tried that or not. Will take a >>> little while. I'm going to ssh in from the other box, so I can leave this >>> one less-occupied while I attempt it. Will report back. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Liz >>> >>> On 8 October 2014 14:08, Tim Keller <turbofx(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> What do you mean you can't copy the original file? if you do a "cp >>>> file1 file2" do you get an error? >>>> >>>> Barring that, doing a quick search of gedcom parsers in python shows >>>> there's a whole pile of them. Without too much trouble we could likely put >>>> together a program that would take this original file and at least validate >>>> it if not go thorough it to the point where the parser barfs and say >>>> "Record X" is the problem. >>>> >>>> On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 1:28 PM, E Johnson <iris.gates(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Thanks, Keith. >>>>> >>>>> The program doesn't crash at all, and I don't think it is broken. It >>>>> just can't do certain things that it used to do. This program is called >>>>> Geneweb, and it's free, GNU, open-source, etc. >>>>> http://opensource.geneanet.org/projects/geneweb. I am running version >>>>> 5.01 which is not the latest, but I'm keeping it because in versions >>>>> starting from 6, they changed something, and a mod that I installed (that I >>>>> didn't write) that allows a display of three generations before and after >>>>> the individual won't work any more. >>>>> >>>>> The data in the text file (called the base), containing various types >>>>> of information about the individual, also contains some numbers and so >>>>> forth, linking that person to his/her parents, children, spouse, etc. The >>>>> program will access this file display an individual and parents, children, >>>>> etc, if known in a web page that is nicely formatted; that's fine. What >>>>> happens since May 2012 is that from the top page there is a choice of >>>>> displaying all surnames (alphabetical), or a box in which one can input a >>>>> surname, which then will result in a display of all persons with that name. >>>>> That won't work now, and neither will the all-surnames display work. One >>>>> can also choose to display persons sorted on title or estate, which also >>>>> doesn't work. >>>>> >>>>> The problem really is in the text file (the base). I have several >>>>> different databases here, and the others, one of which contains 50,000 >>>>> individuals, perform perfectly. But in my big database, it hangs, seeming >>>>> to get lost, when asked to display surnames or estates. >>>>> >>>>> The data in the text file is supposed to look like this, more or less: >>>>> >>>>> 0 @I1@ INDI >>>>> 1 NAME Bob /Cox/ >>>>> 1 SEX M >>>>> 1 FAMS @F1@ >>>>> 1 CHAN >>>>> 2 DATE 11 FEB 2006 >>>>> 0 @I2@ INDI >>>>> 1 NAME Joann /Para/ >>>>> 1 SEX F >>>>> 1 FAMS @F1@ >>>>> 1 CHAN >>>>> 2 DATE 11 FEB 2006 >>>>> 0 @I3@ INDI >>>>> 1 NAME Bobby Jo /Cox/ >>>>> 1 SEX M >>>>> 1 FAMC @F1@ >>>>> 1 CHAN >>>>> 2 DATE 11 FEB 2006 >>>>> 0 @F1@ FAM >>>>> 1 HUSB @I1@ >>>>> 1 WIFE @I2@ >>>>> 1 MARR >>>>> 1 CHIL @I3@ >>>>> 0 TRLR >>>>> >>>>> I also can't create a backup or copy to anywhere, which is crucial, >>>>> and I can't move the base file, either to another location on the hard >>>>> drive or to another device. I also can't get it to re-sort, which would be >>>>> nice, because that cleans up "ghosts" or leftover info on individuals that >>>>> don't "exist" any more because they have been merged with another one who >>>>> turned out to be the same person. This problem first cropped up when I had >>>>> either 86,000 individuals or 82,000 individuals, 2 1/2 years ago. >>>>> >>>>> If I ever use the wrong terminology, I aploogize, but I'm not an IT >>>>> specialist. I am a Linux User located in Worcester. Last time I wrote a >>>>> program, it was in Basic. I should have said, I guess, is that there must >>>>> be some bad characters in this text file "base", which makes it impossible >>>>> for the program that uses it to perform certain functions, such as Sort, or >>>>> to display certain data, such as all persons of the surname {Whatever}. >>>>> >>>>> Liz >>>>> >>>>> I didn't know what could be meant by "broken text file", now I see >>>>> that you mean "broken file processing program". Do you have >>>>> the source for the geneology program? If not, insert rant here. >>>>> >>>>> Does the program crash as soon as you import the file, or >>>>> only when you do something particular? My first impulse >>>>> would be to put printf commands into the input procedure. >>>>> >>>>> Do you have a spec for what the data is supposed to look like, >>>>> or is this one of those take-the-money-and-(run|hide| >>>>> sell updates) >>>>> >>>>> programs, whose authors think that's super double secret eye pee? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> > The text file has been broken since May 2012. This is a genealogical >>>>> > database, that runs in a program that accesses the file, which >>>>> consists of >>>>> > names, dates, places, etc, plus notes. I think the bogus character >>>>> might be >>>>> > an at sign @ but if so, it won't help to search for it, because >>>>> GEDCOMS >>>>> > contain several @ for each individual. My database contains 115,000 >>>>> > individuals. I think I know what family (surname) I was working on >>>>> when it >>>>> > broke, though, and it still hangs there. I guess I could grep the >>>>> file for >>>>> > that surname and get it to output a couple of lines after it finds >>>>> each >>>>> > instance. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Wlug mailing list >>>>> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >>>>> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their >>>> constituents as "consumers". >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Wlug mailing list >>>> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >>>> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >>>> >>>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wlug mailing list >> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > >

Oct. 8, 2014

Re: [Wlug] The "broken" text file (was: I guess this is goodbye... )

by Michael C Voorhis

E Johnson writes: > So now I think I need some way of seeing the text in this file, so > that I can find where the glitched-up text is, that is hanging up > the whole operation. Google searches for "gedcom file validator" or "gedcom file checker" both produce useful (and free) results, but the results appear for the most part to be Windows programs. If you want a linux/foss-ish program, you can look at these: http://gramps-project.org/ http://lifelines.sourceforge.net/ http://genj.sourceforge.net/ They all work with gedcom files I believe. One of them might perhaps include a file-validator which would tell you more about the corruption in your gedcom file. --MCV.

Oct. 8, 2014

Re: [Wlug] The "broken" text file (was: I guess this is goodbye... )

by John Platt

Um. I do things my own way but I seem to remember I once found an especially nasty piece of corruption doing string <filename.txt> and piping the output through less. Strings has a man page and it's in the info binutils section if you want to look at the documentation. On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 6:51 PM, E Johnson <iris.gates(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Okay. Here's what happened. > > I transferred the text file "bases" by sftp to my spare computer here. > It's a 20 MB text file, with a weird file exptension .gw, that IS a text > file (file manager says so) and that my program (Geneweb) understands. This > file transfer took under 2 seconds for the 20 MB. No complaints. > > I tried opening it... Abiword would do that --it tried --but at 85% > completed "building" the file (which Abiword said it was doing), and since > it didn't seem to be getting past that 85% and by then, both cores of the > processor in that computer were up to about 83 degrees and the mobo was > also getting hot. So I aborted Abiword, assuming that it might be getting > stuck wherever the first (only??) glich is. BTW I think this glitch > happened when the landlady's handman was up here in the kitchen fixing the > string-pull on a light in the kitchen without turning off the power, and > shorted the hot wire to the negative. I ended up having to buy a new router > AND modem because of that. > > Anyway, I also assume that command line functions such as cp will be > equally easy to make happen. > > So now I think I need some way of seeing the text in this file, so that I > can find where the glitched-up text is, that is hanging up the whole > operation. Somehow or other, I still need a way to see the text, and/or to > write some script that can find the glitches in it. I know the name of one > of the families I was working on at the time, and know that that surname > DOES hang and not present all of its descendants, so I could start there. > > Thanks in advance for the help. > > Liz J > > > On 8 October 2014 14:20, E Johnson <iris.gates(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> Tim, >> >> I'll try the cp; don't remember if I tried that or not. Will take a >> little while. I'm going to ssh in from the other box, so I can leave this >> one less-occupied while I attempt it. Will report back. >> >> Thanks, >> Liz >> >> On 8 October 2014 14:08, Tim Keller <turbofx(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> What do you mean you can't copy the original file? if you do a "cp >>> file1 file2" do you get an error? >>> >>> Barring that, doing a quick search of gedcom parsers in python shows >>> there's a whole pile of them. Without too much trouble we could likely put >>> together a program that would take this original file and at least validate >>> it if not go thorough it to the point where the parser barfs and say >>> "Record X" is the problem. >>> >>> On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 1:28 PM, E Johnson <iris.gates(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Thanks, Keith. >>>> >>>> The program doesn't crash at all, and I don't think it is broken. It >>>> just can't do certain things that it used to do. This program is called >>>> Geneweb, and it's free, GNU, open-source, etc. >>>> http://opensource.geneanet.org/projects/geneweb. I am running version >>>> 5.01 which is not the latest, but I'm keeping it because in versions >>>> starting from 6, they changed something, and a mod that I installed (that I >>>> didn't write) that allows a display of three generations before and after >>>> the individual won't work any more. >>>> >>>> The data in the text file (called the base), containing various types >>>> of information about the individual, also contains some numbers and so >>>> forth, linking that person to his/her parents, children, spouse, etc. The >>>> program will access this file display an individual and parents, children, >>>> etc, if known in a web page that is nicely formatted; that's fine. What >>>> happens since May 2012 is that from the top page there is a choice of >>>> displaying all surnames (alphabetical), or a box in which one can input a >>>> surname, which then will result in a display of all persons with that name. >>>> That won't work now, and neither will the all-surnames display work. One >>>> can also choose to display persons sorted on title or estate, which also >>>> doesn't work. >>>> >>>> The problem really is in the text file (the base). I have several >>>> different databases here, and the others, one of which contains 50,000 >>>> individuals, perform perfectly. But in my big database, it hangs, seeming >>>> to get lost, when asked to display surnames or estates. >>>> >>>> The data in the text file is supposed to look like this, more or less: >>>> >>>> 0 @I1@ INDI >>>> 1 NAME Bob /Cox/ >>>> 1 SEX M >>>> 1 FAMS @F1@ >>>> 1 CHAN >>>> 2 DATE 11 FEB 2006 >>>> 0 @I2@ INDI >>>> 1 NAME Joann /Para/ >>>> 1 SEX F >>>> 1 FAMS @F1@ >>>> 1 CHAN >>>> 2 DATE 11 FEB 2006 >>>> 0 @I3@ INDI >>>> 1 NAME Bobby Jo /Cox/ >>>> 1 SEX M >>>> 1 FAMC @F1@ >>>> 1 CHAN >>>> 2 DATE 11 FEB 2006 >>>> 0 @F1@ FAM >>>> 1 HUSB @I1@ >>>> 1 WIFE @I2@ >>>> 1 MARR >>>> 1 CHIL @I3@ >>>> 0 TRLR >>>> >>>> I also can't create a backup or copy to anywhere, which is crucial, and >>>> I can't move the base file, either to another location on the hard drive or >>>> to another device. I also can't get it to re-sort, which would be nice, >>>> because that cleans up "ghosts" or leftover info on individuals that don't >>>> "exist" any more because they have been merged with another one who turned >>>> out to be the same person. This problem first cropped up when I had either >>>> 86,000 individuals or 82,000 individuals, 2 1/2 years ago. >>>> >>>> If I ever use the wrong terminology, I aploogize, but I'm not an IT >>>> specialist. I am a Linux User located in Worcester. Last time I wrote a >>>> program, it was in Basic. I should have said, I guess, is that there must >>>> be some bad characters in this text file "base", which makes it impossible >>>> for the program that uses it to perform certain functions, such as Sort, or >>>> to display certain data, such as all persons of the surname {Whatever}. >>>> >>>> Liz >>>> >>>> I didn't know what could be meant by "broken text file", now I see >>>> that you mean "broken file processing program". Do you have >>>> the source for the geneology program? If not, insert rant here. >>>> >>>> Does the program crash as soon as you import the file, or >>>> only when you do something particular? My first impulse >>>> would be to put printf commands into the input procedure. >>>> >>>> Do you have a spec for what the data is supposed to look like, >>>> or is this one of those take-the-money-and-(run|hide| >>>> sell updates) >>>> >>>> programs, whose authors think that's super double secret eye pee? >>>> >>>> >>>> > The text file has been broken since May 2012. This is a genealogical >>>> > database, that runs in a program that accesses the file, which >>>> consists of >>>> > names, dates, places, etc, plus notes. I think the bogus character >>>> might be >>>> > an at sign @ but if so, it won't help to search for it, because >>>> GEDCOMS >>>> > contain several @ for each individual. My database contains 115,000 >>>> > individuals. I think I know what family (surname) I was working on >>>> when it >>>> > broke, though, and it still hangs there. I guess I could grep the >>>> file for >>>> > that surname and get it to output a couple of lines after it finds >>>> each >>>> > instance. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Wlug mailing list >>>> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >>>> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their >>> constituents as "consumers". >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wlug mailing list >>> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >>> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >>> >>> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > >

Oct. 8, 2014

Re: [Wlug] The "broken" text file (was: I guess this is goodbye... )

by E Johnson

Okay. Here's what happened. I transferred the text file "bases" by sftp to my spare computer here. It's a 20 MB text file, with a weird file exptension .gw, that IS a text file (file manager says so) and that my program (Geneweb) understands. This file transfer took under 2 seconds for the 20 MB. No complaints. I tried opening it... Abiword would do that --it tried --but at 85% completed "building" the file (which Abiword said it was doing), and since it didn't seem to be getting past that 85% and by then, both cores of the processor in that computer were up to about 83 degrees and the mobo was also getting hot. So I aborted Abiword, assuming that it might be getting stuck wherever the first (only??) glich is. BTW I think this glitch happened when the landlady's handman was up here in the kitchen fixing the string-pull on a light in the kitchen without turning off the power, and shorted the hot wire to the negative. I ended up having to buy a new router AND modem because of that. Anyway, I also assume that command line functions such as cp will be equally easy to make happen. So now I think I need some way of seeing the text in this file, so that I can find where the glitched-up text is, that is hanging up the whole operation. Somehow or other, I still need a way to see the text, and/or to write some script that can find the glitches in it. I know the name of one of the families I was working on at the time, and know that that surname DOES hang and not present all of its descendants, so I could start there. Thanks in advance for the help. Liz J On 8 October 2014 14:20, E Johnson <iris.gates(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Tim, > > I'll try the cp; don't remember if I tried that or not. Will take a little > while. I'm going to ssh in from the other box, so I can leave this one > less-occupied while I attempt it. Will report back. > > Thanks, > Liz > > On 8 October 2014 14:08, Tim Keller <turbofx(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> What do you mean you can't copy the original file? if you do a "cp file1 >> file2" do you get an error? >> >> Barring that, doing a quick search of gedcom parsers in python shows >> there's a whole pile of them. Without too much trouble we could likely put >> together a program that would take this original file and at least validate >> it if not go thorough it to the point where the parser barfs and say >> "Record X" is the problem. >> >> On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 1:28 PM, E Johnson <iris.gates(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Thanks, Keith. >>> >>> The program doesn't crash at all, and I don't think it is broken. It >>> just can't do certain things that it used to do. This program is called >>> Geneweb, and it's free, GNU, open-source, etc. >>> http://opensource.geneanet.org/projects/geneweb. I am running version >>> 5.01 which is not the latest, but I'm keeping it because in versions >>> starting from 6, they changed something, and a mod that I installed (that I >>> didn't write) that allows a display of three generations before and after >>> the individual won't work any more. >>> >>> The data in the text file (called the base), containing various types of >>> information about the individual, also contains some numbers and so forth, >>> linking that person to his/her parents, children, spouse, etc. The program >>> will access this file display an individual and parents, children, etc, if >>> known in a web page that is nicely formatted; that's fine. What happens >>> since May 2012 is that from the top page there is a choice of displaying >>> all surnames (alphabetical), or a box in which one can input a surname, >>> which then will result in a display of all persons with that name. That >>> won't work now, and neither will the all-surnames display work. One can >>> also choose to display persons sorted on title or estate, which also >>> doesn't work. >>> >>> The problem really is in the text file (the base). I have several >>> different databases here, and the others, one of which contains 50,000 >>> individuals, perform perfectly. But in my big database, it hangs, seeming >>> to get lost, when asked to display surnames or estates. >>> >>> The data in the text file is supposed to look like this, more or less: >>> >>> 0 @I1@ INDI >>> 1 NAME Bob /Cox/ >>> 1 SEX M >>> 1 FAMS @F1@ >>> 1 CHAN >>> 2 DATE 11 FEB 2006 >>> 0 @I2@ INDI >>> 1 NAME Joann /Para/ >>> 1 SEX F >>> 1 FAMS @F1@ >>> 1 CHAN >>> 2 DATE 11 FEB 2006 >>> 0 @I3@ INDI >>> 1 NAME Bobby Jo /Cox/ >>> 1 SEX M >>> 1 FAMC @F1@ >>> 1 CHAN >>> 2 DATE 11 FEB 2006 >>> 0 @F1@ FAM >>> 1 HUSB @I1@ >>> 1 WIFE @I2@ >>> 1 MARR >>> 1 CHIL @I3@ >>> 0 TRLR >>> >>> I also can't create a backup or copy to anywhere, which is crucial, and >>> I can't move the base file, either to another location on the hard drive or >>> to another device. I also can't get it to re-sort, which would be nice, >>> because that cleans up "ghosts" or leftover info on individuals that don't >>> "exist" any more because they have been merged with another one who turned >>> out to be the same person. This problem first cropped up when I had either >>> 86,000 individuals or 82,000 individuals, 2 1/2 years ago. >>> >>> If I ever use the wrong terminology, I aploogize, but I'm not an IT >>> specialist. I am a Linux User located in Worcester. Last time I wrote a >>> program, it was in Basic. I should have said, I guess, is that there must >>> be some bad characters in this text file "base", which makes it impossible >>> for the program that uses it to perform certain functions, such as Sort, or >>> to display certain data, such as all persons of the surname {Whatever}. >>> >>> Liz >>> >>> I didn't know what could be meant by "broken text file", now I see >>> that you mean "broken file processing program". Do you have >>> the source for the geneology program? If not, insert rant here. >>> >>> Does the program crash as soon as you import the file, or >>> only when you do something particular? My first impulse >>> would be to put printf commands into the input procedure. >>> >>> Do you have a spec for what the data is supposed to look like, >>> or is this one of those take-the-money-and-(run|hide| >>> sell updates) >>> >>> programs, whose authors think that's super double secret eye pee? >>> >>> >>> > The text file has been broken since May 2012. This is a genealogical >>> > database, that runs in a program that accesses the file, which >>> consists of >>> > names, dates, places, etc, plus notes. I think the bogus character >>> might be >>> > an at sign @ but if so, it won't help to search for it, because GEDCOMS >>> > contain several @ for each individual. My database contains 115,000 >>> > individuals. I think I know what family (surname) I was working on >>> when it >>> > broke, though, and it still hangs there. I guess I could grep the file >>> for >>> > that surname and get it to output a couple of lines after it finds each >>> > instance. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wlug mailing list >>> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >>> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their >> constituents as "consumers". >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wlug mailing list >> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >> >> >

Oct. 8, 2014

Re: [Wlug] The "broken" text file (was: I guess this is goodbye... )

by E Johnson

Tim, I'll try the cp; don't remember if I tried that or not. Will take a little while. I'm going to ssh in from the other box, so I can leave this one less-occupied while I attempt it. Will report back. Thanks, Liz On 8 October 2014 14:08, Tim Keller <turbofx(a)gmail.com> wrote: > What do you mean you can't copy the original file? if you do a "cp file1 > file2" do you get an error? > > Barring that, doing a quick search of gedcom parsers in python shows > there's a whole pile of them. Without too much trouble we could likely put > together a program that would take this original file and at least validate > it if not go thorough it to the point where the parser barfs and say > "Record X" is the problem. > > On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 1:28 PM, E Johnson <iris.gates(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> Thanks, Keith. >> >> The program doesn't crash at all, and I don't think it is broken. It just >> can't do certain things that it used to do. This program is called Geneweb, >> and it's free, GNU, open-source, etc. >> http://opensource.geneanet.org/projects/geneweb. I am running version >> 5.01 which is not the latest, but I'm keeping it because in versions >> starting from 6, they changed something, and a mod that I installed (that I >> didn't write) that allows a display of three generations before and after >> the individual won't work any more. >> >> The data in the text file (called the base), containing various types of >> information about the individual, also contains some numbers and so forth, >> linking that person to his/her parents, children, spouse, etc. The program >> will access this file display an individual and parents, children, etc, if >> known in a web page that is nicely formatted; that's fine. What happens >> since May 2012 is that from the top page there is a choice of displaying >> all surnames (alphabetical), or a box in which one can input a surname, >> which then will result in a display of all persons with that name. That >> won't work now, and neither will the all-surnames display work. One can >> also choose to display persons sorted on title or estate, which also >> doesn't work. >> >> The problem really is in the text file (the base). I have several >> different databases here, and the others, one of which contains 50,000 >> individuals, perform perfectly. But in my big database, it hangs, seeming >> to get lost, when asked to display surnames or estates. >> >> The data in the text file is supposed to look like this, more or less: >> >> 0 @I1@ INDI >> 1 NAME Bob /Cox/ >> 1 SEX M >> 1 FAMS @F1@ >> 1 CHAN >> 2 DATE 11 FEB 2006 >> 0 @I2@ INDI >> 1 NAME Joann /Para/ >> 1 SEX F >> 1 FAMS @F1@ >> 1 CHAN >> 2 DATE 11 FEB 2006 >> 0 @I3@ INDI >> 1 NAME Bobby Jo /Cox/ >> 1 SEX M >> 1 FAMC @F1@ >> 1 CHAN >> 2 DATE 11 FEB 2006 >> 0 @F1@ FAM >> 1 HUSB @I1@ >> 1 WIFE @I2@ >> 1 MARR >> 1 CHIL @I3@ >> 0 TRLR >> >> I also can't create a backup or copy to anywhere, which is crucial, and I >> can't move the base file, either to another location on the hard drive or >> to another device. I also can't get it to re-sort, which would be nice, >> because that cleans up "ghosts" or leftover info on individuals that don't >> "exist" any more because they have been merged with another one who turned >> out to be the same person. This problem first cropped up when I had either >> 86,000 individuals or 82,000 individuals, 2 1/2 years ago. >> >> If I ever use the wrong terminology, I aploogize, but I'm not an IT >> specialist. I am a Linux User located in Worcester. Last time I wrote a >> program, it was in Basic. I should have said, I guess, is that there must >> be some bad characters in this text file "base", which makes it impossible >> for the program that uses it to perform certain functions, such as Sort, or >> to display certain data, such as all persons of the surname {Whatever}. >> >> Liz >> >> I didn't know what could be meant by "broken text file", now I see >> that you mean "broken file processing program". Do you have >> the source for the geneology program? If not, insert rant here. >> >> Does the program crash as soon as you import the file, or >> only when you do something particular? My first impulse >> would be to put printf commands into the input procedure. >> >> Do you have a spec for what the data is supposed to look like, >> or is this one of those take-the-money-and-(run|hide| >> sell updates) >> >> programs, whose authors think that's super double secret eye pee? >> >> >> > The text file has been broken since May 2012. This is a genealogical >> > database, that runs in a program that accesses the file, which consists >> of >> > names, dates, places, etc, plus notes. I think the bogus character >> might be >> > an at sign @ but if so, it won't help to search for it, because GEDCOMS >> > contain several @ for each individual. My database contains 115,000 >> > individuals. I think I know what family (surname) I was working on when >> it >> > broke, though, and it still hangs there. I guess I could grep the file >> for >> > that surname and get it to output a couple of lines after it finds each >> > instance. >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wlug mailing list >> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >> >> > > > -- > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their > constituents as "consumers". > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > >

Oct. 8, 2014

Re: [Wlug] The "broken" text file (was: I guess this is goodbye... )

by Tim Keller

What do you mean you can't copy the original file? if you do a "cp file1 file2" do you get an error? Barring that, doing a quick search of gedcom parsers in python shows there's a whole pile of them. Without too much trouble we could likely put together a program that would take this original file and at least validate it if not go thorough it to the point where the parser barfs and say "Record X" is the problem. On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 1:28 PM, E Johnson <iris.gates(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Thanks, Keith. > > The program doesn't crash at all, and I don't think it is broken. It just > can't do certain things that it used to do. This program is called Geneweb, > and it's free, GNU, open-source, etc. > http://opensource.geneanet.org/projects/geneweb. I am running version > 5.01 which is not the latest, but I'm keeping it because in versions > starting from 6, they changed something, and a mod that I installed (that I > didn't write) that allows a display of three generations before and after > the individual won't work any more. > > The data in the text file (called the base), containing various types of > information about the individual, also contains some numbers and so forth, > linking that person to his/her parents, children, spouse, etc. The program > will access this file display an individual and parents, children, etc, if > known in a web page that is nicely formatted; that's fine. What happens > since May 2012 is that from the top page there is a choice of displaying > all surnames (alphabetical), or a box in which one can input a surname, > which then will result in a display of all persons with that name. That > won't work now, and neither will the all-surnames display work. One can > also choose to display persons sorted on title or estate, which also > doesn't work. > > The problem really is in the text file (the base). I have several > different databases here, and the others, one of which contains 50,000 > individuals, perform perfectly. But in my big database, it hangs, seeming > to get lost, when asked to display surnames or estates. > > The data in the text file is supposed to look like this, more or less: > > 0 @I1@ INDI > 1 NAME Bob /Cox/ > 1 SEX M > 1 FAMS @F1@ > 1 CHAN > 2 DATE 11 FEB 2006 > 0 @I2@ INDI > 1 NAME Joann /Para/ > 1 SEX F > 1 FAMS @F1@ > 1 CHAN > 2 DATE 11 FEB 2006 > 0 @I3@ INDI > 1 NAME Bobby Jo /Cox/ > 1 SEX M > 1 FAMC @F1@ > 1 CHAN > 2 DATE 11 FEB 2006 > 0 @F1@ FAM > 1 HUSB @I1@ > 1 WIFE @I2@ > 1 MARR > 1 CHIL @I3@ > 0 TRLR > > I also can't create a backup or copy to anywhere, which is crucial, and I > can't move the base file, either to another location on the hard drive or > to another device. I also can't get it to re-sort, which would be nice, > because that cleans up "ghosts" or leftover info on individuals that don't > "exist" any more because they have been merged with another one who turned > out to be the same person. This problem first cropped up when I had either > 86,000 individuals or 82,000 individuals, 2 1/2 years ago. > > If I ever use the wrong terminology, I aploogize, but I'm not an IT > specialist. I am a Linux User located in Worcester. Last time I wrote a > program, it was in Basic. I should have said, I guess, is that there must > be some bad characters in this text file "base", which makes it impossible > for the program that uses it to perform certain functions, such as Sort, or > to display certain data, such as all persons of the surname {Whatever}. > > Liz > > I didn't know what could be meant by "broken text file", now I see > that you mean "broken file processing program". Do you have > the source for the geneology program? If not, insert rant here. > > Does the program crash as soon as you import the file, or > only when you do something particular? My first impulse > would be to put printf commands into the input procedure. > > Do you have a spec for what the data is supposed to look like, > or is this one of those take-the-money-and-(run|hide| > sell updates) > > programs, whose authors think that's super double secret eye pee? > > > > The text file has been broken since May 2012. This is a genealogical > > database, that runs in a program that accesses the file, which consists > of > > names, dates, places, etc, plus notes. I think the bogus character might > be > > an at sign @ but if so, it won't help to search for it, because GEDCOMS > > contain several @ for each individual. My database contains 115,000 > > individuals. I think I know what family (surname) I was working on when > it > > broke, though, and it still hangs there. I guess I could grep the file > for > > that surname and get it to output a couple of lines after it finds each > > instance. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

Oct. 8, 2014

The "broken" text file (was: I guess this is goodbye... )

by E Johnson

Thanks, Keith. The program doesn't crash at all, and I don't think it is broken. It just can't do certain things that it used to do. This program is called Geneweb, and it's free, GNU, open-source, etc. http://opensource.geneanet.org/projects/geneweb. I am running version 5.01 which is not the latest, but I'm keeping it because in versions starting from 6, they changed something, and a mod that I installed (that I didn't write) that allows a display of three generations before and after the individual won't work any more. The data in the text file (called the base), containing various types of information about the individual, also contains some numbers and so forth, linking that person to his/her parents, children, spouse, etc. The program will access this file display an individual and parents, children, etc, if known in a web page that is nicely formatted; that's fine. What happens since May 2012 is that from the top page there is a choice of displaying all surnames (alphabetical), or a box in which one can input a surname, which then will result in a display of all persons with that name. That won't work now, and neither will the all-surnames display work. One can also choose to display persons sorted on title or estate, which also doesn't work. The problem really is in the text file (the base). I have several different databases here, and the others, one of which contains 50,000 individuals, perform perfectly. But in my big database, it hangs, seeming to get lost, when asked to display surnames or estates. The data in the text file is supposed to look like this, more or less: 0 @I1@ INDI 1 NAME Bob /Cox/ 1 SEX M 1 FAMS @F1@ 1 CHAN 2 DATE 11 FEB 2006 0 @I2@ INDI 1 NAME Joann /Para/ 1 SEX F 1 FAMS @F1@ 1 CHAN 2 DATE 11 FEB 2006 0 @I3@ INDI 1 NAME Bobby Jo /Cox/ 1 SEX M 1 FAMC @F1@ 1 CHAN 2 DATE 11 FEB 2006 0 @F1@ FAM 1 HUSB @I1@ 1 WIFE @I2@ 1 MARR 1 CHIL @I3@ 0 TRLR I also can't create a backup or copy to anywhere, which is crucial, and I can't move the base file, either to another location on the hard drive or to another device. I also can't get it to re-sort, which would be nice, because that cleans up "ghosts" or leftover info on individuals that don't "exist" any more because they have been merged with another one who turned out to be the same person. This problem first cropped up when I had either 86,000 individuals or 82,000 individuals, 2 1/2 years ago. If I ever use the wrong terminology, I aploogize, but I'm not an IT specialist. I am a Linux User located in Worcester. Last time I wrote a program, it was in Basic. I should have said, I guess, is that there must be some bad characters in this text file "base", which makes it impossible for the program that uses it to perform certain functions, such as Sort, or to display certain data, such as all persons of the surname {Whatever}. Liz I didn't know what could be meant by "broken text file", now I see that you mean "broken file processing program". Do you have the source for the geneology program? If not, insert rant here. Does the program crash as soon as you import the file, or only when you do something particular? My first impulse would be to put printf commands into the input procedure. Do you have a spec for what the data is supposed to look like, or is this one of those take-the-money-and-(run|hide| sell updates) programs, whose authors think that's super double secret eye pee? > The text file has been broken since May 2012. This is a genealogical > database, that runs in a program that accesses the file, which consists of > names, dates, places, etc, plus notes. I think the bogus character might be > an at sign @ but if so, it won't help to search for it, because GEDCOMS > contain several @ for each individual. My database contains 115,000 > individuals. I think I know what family (surname) I was working on when it > broke, though, and it still hangs there. I guess I could grep the file for > that surname and get it to output a couple of lines after it finds each > instance.

Oct. 8, 2014

Re: [Wlug] I guess this is goodbye to WLUG

by Keith Wright

Not too long ago I would have been annoyed by the quote depth of that last message. I'll just take it as an opportunity to reply to several at once. E Johnson <iris.gates(a)gmail.com> writes: > The text file has been broken since May 2012. This is a genealogical > database, that runs in a program that accesses the file, which consists of > names, dates, places, etc, plus notes. I think the bogus character might be > an at sign @ but if so, it won't help to search for it, because GEDCOMS > contain several @ for each individual. My database contains 115,000 > individuals. I think I know what family (surname) I was working on when it > broke, though, and it still hangs there. I guess I could grep the file for > that surname and get it to output a couple of lines after it finds each > instance. I didn't know what could be meant by "broken text file", now I see that you mean "broken file processing program". Do you have the source for the geneology program? If not, insert rant here. Does the program crash as soon as you import the file, or only when you do something particular? My first impulse would be to put printf commands into the input procedure. Do you have a spec for what the data is supposed to look like, or is this one of those take-the-money-and-(run|hide|sell updates) programs, whose authors think that's super double secret eye pee? >>>>>>> Sent messages last month asking about the monthly meeting. No >>>>>>> response in >>>>>>> a month. No messages in a month. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> My time with WLUG was fun & informative. I wish you all health & >>>>>>> happiness. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thank you, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Joel >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> Wlug mailing list >>>>>>> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >>>>>>> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug --(* 7 wlug-header) Jeez, Joel, sit back down, chill out. I don't reply to questions if I don't know. (Unless a woman asks about a database) I don't think wlug is dead, but I don't know how to schedule a room at WPI. Just a short time ago we were watching robots build robots from source code. Somebody will find the next meeting on a back-up tape. I have a question too, but I'll save it for a another message. -- Keith

Oct. 8, 2014

Re: [Wlug] I guess this is goodbye to WLUG

by E Johnson

Thanks James. I'll pass along the group-finder thing to the soon-to-be-ex-Mac guy. The text file has been broken since May 2012. This is a genealogical database, that runs in a program that accesses the file, which consists of names, dates, places, etc, plus notes. I think the bogus character might be an at sign @ but if so, it won't help to search for it, because GEDCOMS contain several @ for each individual. My database contains 115,000 individuals. I think I know what family (surname) I was working on when it broke, though, and it still hangs there. I guess I could grep the file for that surname and get it to output a couple of lines after it finds each instance. So WLUG isn't dead yet, although some of it might be asleep. But we're here. I appreciate your help. Thanks, Liz On 8 October 2014 10:01, James Gray <jamespgray(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Hi Liz, in order to find a local LUG you might start with > http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/User-Group-HOWTO-3.html > > Many of the lists referenced on this page appear to have been updated > recently, although the website itself is rather dated and I only remember > hearing about the Linux Documentation project long ago. Otherwise I suggest > he do an internet search for additional lists/directories of LUGs/open > source/free software groups. > > Fixing the text file shouldn't be hard if you know what the characters are > that are causing the problem. > > > On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 8:28 AM, Tim Keller <turbofx(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> I was just about to ask if we're going to have a meeting tonight! >> >> On Tue, Oct 7, 2014 at 11:20 PM, E Johnson <iris.gates(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> I hope not. Even if I rarely attend meetings, I appreciate everyone and >>> everything that happens in WLUG. Recently soimeone I know by >>> correspondence, apparently a nuclear physicist, has had problems with his >>> aging Mac, and contacted me for help since he knows I build my own >>> computers. He' wants to build his own, and install a Linux OS. He is in the >>> US but not local. I recommended some parts for a new build for him, but >>> also recommended that he find a LUG near him and contact them, etc. >>> >>> Is there a directory of LUGs that he can consult? Are the LUGs in >>> contact with each other? If not, that should have been happening right >>> along. >>> >>> I have one issue of my own going on in a prog I have here that I need >>> help with --just a stupid glitch in a text file that should be easy to >>> find, but the text file is HUGE, yet I don't know how to write the correct >>> commands in order to find the probable bad characters in this file and >>> correct them. It would probably be easy for someone, but... I should write >>> this up and send it in case someone can easily solve this. >>> >>> I hope our LUG and the others are not planning to expire anytime soon. >>> >>> Thanks for being there everyone, >>> Liz J >>> >>> On 7 October 2014 22:28, James Gray <jamespgray(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> rumors of the death of wlug have been greatly exaggerated, I hope. >>>> On Oct 7, 2014 10:22 PM, "Eric Martin" <eric.joshua.martin(a)gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> A month with nothing, really? >>>>> On Oct 7, 2014 9:52 PM, "Joel" <joelgroup(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Sent messages last month asking about the monthly meeting. No >>>>>> response in >>>>>> a month. No messages in a month. >>>>>> >>>>>> My time with WLUG was fun & informative. I wish you all health & >>>>>> happiness. >>>>>> >>>>>> Thank you, >>>>>> >>>>>> Joel >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Wlug mailing list >>>>>> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >>>>>> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Wlug mailing list >>>>> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >>>>> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >>>>> >>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Wlug mailing list >>>> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >>>> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >>>> >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wlug mailing list >>> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >>> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their >> constituents as "consumers". >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wlug mailing list >> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > >

Oct. 8, 2014

Re: [Wlug] I guess this is goodbye to WLUG

by James Gray

Hi Liz, in order to find a local LUG you might start with http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/User-Group-HOWTO-3.html Many of the lists referenced on this page appear to have been updated recently, although the website itself is rather dated and I only remember hearing about the Linux Documentation project long ago. Otherwise I suggest he do an internet search for additional lists/directories of LUGs/open source/free software groups. Fixing the text file shouldn't be hard if you know what the characters are that are causing the problem. On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 8:28 AM, Tim Keller <turbofx(a)gmail.com> wrote: > I was just about to ask if we're going to have a meeting tonight! > > On Tue, Oct 7, 2014 at 11:20 PM, E Johnson <iris.gates(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> I hope not. Even if I rarely attend meetings, I appreciate everyone and >> everything that happens in WLUG. Recently soimeone I know by >> correspondence, apparently a nuclear physicist, has had problems with his >> aging Mac, and contacted me for help since he knows I build my own >> computers. He' wants to build his own, and install a Linux OS. He is in the >> US but not local. I recommended some parts for a new build for him, but >> also recommended that he find a LUG near him and contact them, etc. >> >> Is there a directory of LUGs that he can consult? Are the LUGs in contact >> with each other? If not, that should have been happening right along. >> >> I have one issue of my own going on in a prog I have here that I need >> help with --just a stupid glitch in a text file that should be easy to >> find, but the text file is HUGE, yet I don't know how to write the correct >> commands in order to find the probable bad characters in this file and >> correct them. It would probably be easy for someone, but... I should write >> this up and send it in case someone can easily solve this. >> >> I hope our LUG and the others are not planning to expire anytime soon. >> >> Thanks for being there everyone, >> Liz J >> >> On 7 October 2014 22:28, James Gray <jamespgray(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> rumors of the death of wlug have been greatly exaggerated, I hope. >>> On Oct 7, 2014 10:22 PM, "Eric Martin" <eric.joshua.martin(a)gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> A month with nothing, really? >>>> On Oct 7, 2014 9:52 PM, "Joel" <joelgroup(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Sent messages last month asking about the monthly meeting. No >>>>> response in >>>>> a month. No messages in a month. >>>>> >>>>> My time with WLUG was fun & informative. I wish you all health & >>>>> happiness. >>>>> >>>>> Thank you, >>>>> >>>>> Joel >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Wlug mailing list >>>>> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >>>>> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Wlug mailing list >>>> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >>>> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >>>> >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wlug mailing list >>> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >>> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wlug mailing list >> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >> >> > > > -- > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their > constituents as "consumers". > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > >

Oct. 8, 2014

Re: [Wlug] I guess this is goodbye to WLUG

by Tim Keller

I was just about to ask if we're going to have a meeting tonight! On Tue, Oct 7, 2014 at 11:20 PM, E Johnson <iris.gates(a)gmail.com> wrote: > I hope not. Even if I rarely attend meetings, I appreciate everyone and > everything that happens in WLUG. Recently soimeone I know by > correspondence, apparently a nuclear physicist, has had problems with his > aging Mac, and contacted me for help since he knows I build my own > computers. He' wants to build his own, and install a Linux OS. He is in the > US but not local. I recommended some parts for a new build for him, but > also recommended that he find a LUG near him and contact them, etc. > > Is there a directory of LUGs that he can consult? Are the LUGs in contact > with each other? If not, that should have been happening right along. > > I have one issue of my own going on in a prog I have here that I need help > with --just a stupid glitch in a text file that should be easy to find, but > the text file is HUGE, yet I don't know how to write the correct commands > in order to find the probable bad characters in this file and correct them. > It would probably be easy for someone, but... I should write this up and > send it in case someone can easily solve this. > > I hope our LUG and the others are not planning to expire anytime soon. > > Thanks for being there everyone, > Liz J > > On 7 October 2014 22:28, James Gray <jamespgray(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> rumors of the death of wlug have been greatly exaggerated, I hope. >> On Oct 7, 2014 10:22 PM, "Eric Martin" <eric.joshua.martin(a)gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> A month with nothing, really? >>> On Oct 7, 2014 9:52 PM, "Joel" <joelgroup(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Sent messages last month asking about the monthly meeting. No response >>>> in >>>> a month. No messages in a month. >>>> >>>> My time with WLUG was fun & informative. I wish you all health & >>>> happiness. >>>> >>>> Thank you, >>>> >>>> Joel >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Wlug mailing list >>>> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >>>> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wlug mailing list >>> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >>> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wlug mailing list >> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

Oct. 8, 2014

Re: [Wlug] I guess this is goodbye to WLUG

by E Johnson

I hope not. Even if I rarely attend meetings, I appreciate everyone and everything that happens in WLUG. Recently soimeone I know by correspondence, apparently a nuclear physicist, has had problems with his aging Mac, and contacted me for help since he knows I build my own computers. He' wants to build his own, and install a Linux OS. He is in the US but not local. I recommended some parts for a new build for him, but also recommended that he find a LUG near him and contact them, etc. Is there a directory of LUGs that he can consult? Are the LUGs in contact with each other? If not, that should have been happening right along. I have one issue of my own going on in a prog I have here that I need help with --just a stupid glitch in a text file that should be easy to find, but the text file is HUGE, yet I don't know how to write the correct commands in order to find the probable bad characters in this file and correct them. It would probably be easy for someone, but... I should write this up and send it in case someone can easily solve this. I hope our LUG and the others are not planning to expire anytime soon. Thanks for being there everyone, Liz J On 7 October 2014 22:28, James Gray <jamespgray(a)gmail.com> wrote: > rumors of the death of wlug have been greatly exaggerated, I hope. > On Oct 7, 2014 10:22 PM, "Eric Martin" <eric.joshua.martin(a)gmail.com> > wrote: > >> A month with nothing, really? >> On Oct 7, 2014 9:52 PM, "Joel" <joelgroup(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Sent messages last month asking about the monthly meeting. No response >>> in >>> a month. No messages in a month. >>> >>> My time with WLUG was fun & informative. I wish you all health & >>> happiness. >>> >>> Thank you, >>> >>> Joel >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wlug mailing list >>> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >>> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wlug mailing list >> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >> >> > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > >

Oct. 8, 2014

Re: [Wlug] I guess this is goodbye to WLUG

by James Gray

rumors of the death of wlug have been greatly exaggerated, I hope. On Oct 7, 2014 10:22 PM, "Eric Martin" <eric.joshua.martin(a)gmail.com> wrote: > A month with nothing, really? > On Oct 7, 2014 9:52 PM, "Joel" <joelgroup(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> Sent messages last month asking about the monthly meeting. No response in >> a month. No messages in a month. >> >> My time with WLUG was fun & informative. I wish you all health & >> happiness. >> >> Thank you, >> >> Joel >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wlug mailing list >> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >> > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > >

Oct. 8, 2014

Re: [Wlug] I guess this is goodbye to WLUG

by Eric Martin

A month with nothing, really? On Oct 7, 2014 9:52 PM, "Joel" <joelgroup(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Sent messages last month asking about the monthly meeting. No response in > a month. No messages in a month. > > My time with WLUG was fun & informative. I wish you all health & > happiness. > > Thank you, > > Joel > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

Oct. 8, 2014

I guess this is goodbye to WLUG

by Joel

Sent messages last month asking about the monthly meeting. No response in a month. No messages in a month. My time with WLUG was fun & informative. I wish you all health & happiness. Thank you, Joel

Oct. 8, 2014

Subject: Is there a WLUG meeting tonight?

by joel d

Disabled digest mode on my subscription this morning, so I would not read WLUG meeting replies tomorrow morning. Checked wlug.org website but could not find today's current messages there (in case I am still a digest e-mail guy). Now hours later still wondering about percent chance of tonight's WLUG meeting. I am not driving 60 minutes R.T. for a maybe. WLUG meeting or not, everyone have a good night! Joel Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2014 10:50:24 -0400 From: joel d <joelgroup(a)gmail.com> Subject: [Wlug] Is there a WLUG meeting tonight? To: Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> Cc: Chuck Anderson <cra(a)WPI.EDU> Message-ID: <CAHLVwo8C55enazQT-4p7FfeP+ NVdi9ba2OLBRL=Piq7k8QbNuQ(a)mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Have not heard much from WLUG e-mail group in past weeks. Could be just a busy time of year for all, just like me. Is there a meeting this evening at WPI at 7pm our the usual location? Thank you, Joel

Sept. 11, 2014

Is there a WLUG meeting tonight?

by joel d

Have not heard much from WLUG e-mail group in past weeks. Could be just a busy time of year for all, just like me. Is there a meeting this evening at WPI at 7pm our the usual location? Thank you, Joel

Sept. 11, 2014

Re: [Wlug] Mencoder Too Many Audio Packets

by dulsi＠identicalsoftware.com

I've got a workaround to the problem. dvd::rip can successfully encode the problematic episodes. Still wish I knew a solution with mencoder rather than having to learn the various encoding options of another program. Quoting dulsi(a)identicalsoftware.com: > I've been encoding some dvds for a while. I purchased The Incredible Hulk: > The Complete Animated Collection some time ago. It is PAL encoded but the > only way to legally purchase the 1982 series. Encoding those worked fine > but when I tried encoding the 1966 series I encountered problems with > three episodes. Episodes 4, 8, and 13 produced the error: > > Too many audio packets in the buffer: (4096 in 8257533 bytes). > Maybe you are playing a non-interleaved stream/file or the codec failed? > For AVI files, try to force non-interleaved mode with the -ni option. > > I've found various suggestions on fixing it (ac3_fixed instead of ac3, > various combinations of -mc and -ofs). None of the fixes worked. > > Dennis Payne > dulsi(a)identicalsoftware.com > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

Aug. 30, 2014

OPENING - Sr SW Engineer - Embedded Linux, C, Java - contract

by John Spencer

Our client in Boston as a contract opening for a Sr Embedded Software Engineer for a 6+ month contract. Must be able to interview and work on site. Client requires US citizens or Greencard holders. Development and debug of complex Embedded software. Must have a strong background with embedded Linux included driver level experience. Strong C, C++ and ability to write embedded Java. Excellent communications skills as some client interaction may be required. Please send your resume to jspencer (at) connectedsp.com Your resume will not be sent anywhere without your prior approval. Regards, John Spencer Connected Systems Partners Connecting Top Talent with Top Companies Office: 978-455-5550 x208 Cell: 978-621-9743 jspencer(a)connectedsp.com www.connectedsp.com GET CONNECTED! Unless otherwise explicitly instructed by sender, all information in this email is considered confidential and intended for the view and use of the recipient(s) only.

Aug. 28, 2014

Mencoder Too Many Audio Packets

by dulsi＠identicalsoftware.com

I've been encoding some dvds for a while. I purchased The Incredible Hulk: The Complete Animated Collection some time ago. It is PAL encoded but the only way to legally purchase the 1982 series. Encoding those worked fine but when I tried encoding the 1966 series I encountered problems with three episodes. Episodes 4, 8, and 13 produced the error: Too many audio packets in the buffer: (4096 in 8257533 bytes). Maybe you are playing a non-interleaved stream/file or the codec failed? For AVI files, try to force non-interleaved mode with the -ni option. I've found various suggestions on fixing it (ac3_fixed instead of ac3, various combinations of -mc and -ofs). None of the fixes worked. Dennis Payne dulsi(a)identicalsoftware.com

Aug. 27, 2014

Announce: WLUG Meeting 8/14 7PM, Python

by Chuck Anderson

Join us for the August meeting of the Worcester Linux Users' Group this Thursday, August 14 at 7:00 PM. Tim Keller will be giving a talk titled "Python: The Sysadmins Chainsaw Swissarmy Knife". We will be meeting at WPI's Campus Center, in the Mid-Century Room, room 331. Afterwards we will go out for pizza. Tim Keller Python: The Sysadmins Chainsaw Swissarmy Knife Thursday August 14, 7:00 PM - 9:00 PM WPI Campus Center, Mid-Century Room 331 See you there, Chuck

Aug. 12, 2014

Re: [Wlug] Meeting on the 14th?

by Chuck Anderson

Okay, I've updated the website and will send out an "official" announcement momentarily for Thursday, August 14 (unfortunately I cannot have the meeting on Wednesday). On Tue, Aug 05, 2014 at 01:32:24PM -0400, Tim Keller wrote: > I've thought a bit and I think I like: "Python: The Sysadmins Chainsaw > Swissarmy Knife" even a bit better. Invariably someone will make a joke > something like "Hokey religions and ancient weapons are no match for a > good blaster..." > > > On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 10:18 AM, thinkbrown(a)gmail.com <thinkbrown(a)gmail.com> > wrote: > > > "A more elegant weapon, for a more civilized age" > > On Aug 5, 2014 10:10 AM, "Tim Keller" <turbofx(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > >> Excellent! I'll get cracking on my slides. I figure this will a bit of > >> slides, round table and demos. > >> > >> I like the title: "Python: The Sysadmins Lightsaber" > >> > >> > >> On Mon, Aug 4, 2014 at 5:31 PM, David Glaser <dglaser(a)glaserresearch.net> > >> wrote: > >> > >>> How about the 13th. I have an openstack meeting on the 14th. > >>> > >>> Also, python for sysadmins sounds interesting. Openstack is written in > >>> Python. At first, I judged Python to be a scripting language but after > >>> some digging, it has some very usefull features for writing large > >>> systems - for example, name scoping. > >>> > >>> -David > >>> > >>> > >>> On 08/04/2014 05:03 PM, Tim Keller wrote: > >>> > >>> By my reckoning the next meeting is the 14th? > >>> > >>> If nobody has a topic idea I'd be willing to do a quick talk on > >>> "Python for sysadmins". > >>> > >>> Later, > >>> Tim.

Aug. 12, 2014

Literacy Volunteers of Greater Worcester need help

by Chuck Anderson

Prof. Micha Hofri has asked WLUG if anyone would like to volunteer to provide IT consulting for the Literacy Volunteers of Greater Worcester. Details below. You can contact Prof. Hofri at hofri(a)WPI.EDU if you are interested. Thanks, Chuck ----- Forwarded message from Micha Hofri <hofri(a)WPI.EDU> ----- From: Micha Hofri <hofri(a)WPI.EDU> Subject: Fwd: Fwd: Literacy Volunteers of Greater Worcester need help ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dear Colleagues, The letter below is from a daughter of friends, who has recently started at the Worcester public library... she describes it well. Do you know of a student, or a small group, who would be able and willing to help in the matter? I believe she expects pro bono consulting, rather than actual development, but realize I have not verified. Please let me know, or point the interested parties to Ellen Benz directly. Thank you, --Micha -------- Forwarded Message -------- Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2014 15:32:09 +0000 From: Ellen Benz <Ebenz(a)lvgw.org> To: hofri(a)wpi.edu <hofri(a)WPI.EDU> Hi Professor Hofri, I hope this email finds you well. ..... I have started a new job as Executive Director of Literacy Volunteers of Greater Worcester – a non-profit organization which teaches English as a Second Language to immigrants and refugees here in Worcester. Worcester has been chosen as a resettlement community for refugees, and as such, is experiencing an influx of people from distressed lands, such as Sudan and Syria. In order to accommodate this growing need, and help LVGW thrive, we must update and modernize our entire IT structure. The first thing I learned when I started on Monday is that our server doesn’t work properly, we are unable to link our two sites, and our website is terribly lacking. We have an office manager who is proficient in maintaining our database (we are using Access) and helps troubleshoot issues when they arise, but she is not an IT specialist. We need someone who can look at what our needs are and suggest a plan of action and products. I was wondering if you might have the names of several WPI students who could help us out on a volunteer basis – we could even design an internship program for the right student. Please let me know if you can think of anyone with this skillset and interest to help further this worthy cause. If you do not have any names of students, who do you think I should contact at WPI to find someone? I’d greatly appreciate any assistance/advice that you can give me. Please either email me at the address above or you can call me at work at 508-754-8056 or at home at 508-363-1443. All the best, Ellen /Ellen Benz/ Executive Director Literacy Volunteers of Greater Worcester 3 Salem Street - Room 332 Worcester Public Library Worcester, MA 01608 508-754-8056 ebenz(a)lvgw.org <mailto:ebenz@lvgw.org> like us on FACEBOOK <http://www.facebook.com/pages/Literacy-Volunteers-of-Greater-Worcester/2635…> ----- End forwarded message -----

Aug. 10, 2014

Re: [Wlug] Meeting on the 14th?

by Tim Keller

I've thought a bit and I think I like: "Python: The Sysadmins Chainsaw Swissarmy Knife" even a bit better. Invariably someone will make a joke something like "Hokey religions and ancient weapons are no match for a good blaster..." On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 10:18 AM, thinkbrown(a)gmail.com <thinkbrown(a)gmail.com> wrote: > "A more elegant weapon, for a more civilized age" > On Aug 5, 2014 10:10 AM, "Tim Keller" <turbofx(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> Excellent! I'll get cracking on my slides. I figure this will a bit of >> slides, round table and demos. >> >> I like the title: "Python: The Sysadmins Lightsaber" >> >> >> On Mon, Aug 4, 2014 at 5:31 PM, David Glaser <dglaser(a)glaserresearch.net> >> wrote: >> >>> How about the 13th. I have an openstack meeting on the 14th. >>> >>> Also, python for sysadmins sounds interesting. Openstack is written in >>> Python. At first, I judged Python to be a scripting language but after >>> some digging, it has some very usefull features for writing large >>> systems - for example, name scoping. >>> >>> -David >>> >>> >>> On 08/04/2014 05:03 PM, Tim Keller wrote: >>> >>> By my reckoning the next meeting is the 14th? >>> >>> If nobody has a topic idea I'd be willing to do a quick talk on >>> "Python for sysadmins". >>> >>> Later, >>> Tim. >>> >>> -- >>> I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their >>> constituents as "consumers". >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wlug mailing listWlug@mail.wlug.orghttp://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wlug mailing list >>> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >>> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their >> constituents as "consumers". >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wlug mailing list >> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >> >> > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

Aug. 5, 2014

Re: [Wlug] Meeting on the 14th?

by thinkbrown＠gmail.com

"A more elegant weapon, for a more civilized age" On Aug 5, 2014 10:10 AM, "Tim Keller" <turbofx(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Excellent! I'll get cracking on my slides. I figure this will a bit of > slides, round table and demos. > > I like the title: "Python: The Sysadmins Lightsaber" > > > On Mon, Aug 4, 2014 at 5:31 PM, David Glaser <dglaser(a)glaserresearch.net> > wrote: > >> How about the 13th. I have an openstack meeting on the 14th. >> >> Also, python for sysadmins sounds interesting. Openstack is written in >> Python. At first, I judged Python to be a scripting language but after >> some digging, it has some very usefull features for writing large systems >> - for example, name scoping. >> >> -David >> >> >> On 08/04/2014 05:03 PM, Tim Keller wrote: >> >> By my reckoning the next meeting is the 14th? >> >> If nobody has a topic idea I'd be willing to do a quick talk on "Python >> for sysadmins". >> >> Later, >> Tim. >> >> -- >> I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their >> constituents as "consumers". >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wlug mailing listWlug@mail.wlug.orghttp://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wlug mailing list >> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >> >> > > > -- > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their > constituents as "consumers". > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > >

Aug. 5, 2014

Re: [Wlug] Meeting on the 14th?

by Tim Keller

Excellent! I'll get cracking on my slides. I figure this will a bit of slides, round table and demos. I like the title: "Python: The Sysadmins Lightsaber" On Mon, Aug 4, 2014 at 5:31 PM, David Glaser <dglaser(a)glaserresearch.net> wrote: > How about the 13th. I have an openstack meeting on the 14th. > > Also, python for sysadmins sounds interesting. Openstack is written in > Python. At first, I judged Python to be a scripting language but after > some digging, it has some very usefull features for writing large systems > - for example, name scoping. > > -David > > > On 08/04/2014 05:03 PM, Tim Keller wrote: > > By my reckoning the next meeting is the 14th? > > If nobody has a topic idea I'd be willing to do a quick talk on "Python > for sysadmins". > > Later, > Tim. > > -- > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their > constituents as "consumers". > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing listWlug@mail.wlug.orghttp://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

Aug. 5, 2014

Re: [Wlug] Wlug Digest, Vol 130, Issue 1

by Aljerin Butler,Jr.

Re: Spreading GNU/Linux to the masses Hi James, If you are concerned about your knowledge in Linux, I have just the resource for you so that you can get up to speed. I've been working on my website for years and try to cover all the bases on Open Source. You can get started with my section for newbies. When you feel a little more ambitious, hang out in my Help for Do-It-Yourselfers - I just finished a major expansion on Linux system administration you can also find there. Al Butler Custom Desktop Solutions http://customlinux.tripod.com/ Custom Desktop Solutions Custom Desktop Solutions home page View on customlinux.tripod.com Preview by Yahoo On Monday, August 4, 2014 12:00 PM, "wlug-request(a)mail.wlug.org" <wlug-request(a)mail.wlug.org> wrote: > > >----- Forwarded Message ----- > >Send Wlug mailing list submissions to > wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > >To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > wlug-request(a)mail.wlug.org > >You can reach the person managing the list at > wlug-owner(a)mail.wlug.org > >When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >than "Re: Contents of Wlug digest..." > >Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Spreading GNU/Linux to the masses (Frank Sweetser) > 2. Re: Spreading GNU/Linux to the masses (James Gray) > >Hi James, > > have no fear - the WLUG meetings are intentionally inclusive of users of >all levels, all the way out to people who have only heard of linux and are >curious to know more. While the meeting topics occasionally delve into deeper >technical topics, they're always done with the less experienced users in mind, >plus everyone is always welcome to throw out requests for meeting topics. > >Don't worry about keeping up - all are welcome! > >Frank Sweetser fs at wpi.edu | For every problem, there is a solution that >Manager of Network Operations | is simple, elegant, and wrong. >Worcester Polytechnic Institute | - HL Mencken > >On 8/2/2014 4:13 PM, James Barclay wrote: >> I haven't been to one of the meetings at WPI as of yet even though I only live >> near Elm Park (Looks really nice now, eh?) and here is why: >> >> I'm afraid I'll be attending an engineering and science meeting where things >> like servers will be discussed. And algorithms will be presented and >> displayed for discussion; I'm just not that good. I'm just not at the Knuth >> level at all and nowhere near someone like Stallman or Raymond. Who is? >> >> I'm what they call an "amateur Linux user and experimenter" and not an >> engineer of scientist. I can program in various popular languages and use >> emacs as editor. I can tailor my distro to do what I need and want, but I'm >> not one to gin up my own Linux. I've even messed with BeOS. I want to spread >> the word and maybe even host a Linux class and host an installation party- at >> the WPL(?). I wonder if someone can sponsor St. IGNUcious (Stallman) seminar. >> >> I'd sure like Bruce Perens to do one, but I'm for FS. Running Netrunner 14 >> (Kubuntu base) and just love it. Its a GNU/Linux. I want GNU/Linux to be THE >> home user's OS. >> >> I have been studying security and vulnerabilities so I don't have Facebook, >> Twitter or use too many browsers that spy and track. My new email is from >> Google (Ok OK, I know), but at least Google's server is a Linux. I also use >> Midori. >> >> I don't use anything Microsoft unless its on the WINE lists. I know nothing >> about Apple and can't afford it. >> >> I built my own 32bit rig and have built three others and altered more. I dig >> hardware and junk piles. >> >> I'm also disabled, so I live only on Soc. Sec. retirement. I do have a good car. >> >> Please advise me if I am appropriate for our WLUG. >> >> Thanks for the read. >> >> Jim Barclay > > > >I think you'll fit right in. I'll try not to spout out any algorithms, but no promises, OK :) Seriously, I don't think we're a very intimidating group. Just come prepared to not know everything and be willing to ask questions. > >On Aug 4, 2014 12:36 AM, "Frank Sweetser" <fs(a)wpi.edu> wrote: > > >>Hi James, >> >> have no fear - the WLUG meetings are intentionally inclusive of users of >>all levels, all the way out to people who have only heard of linux and are >>curious to know more. While the meeting topics occasionally delve into deeper >>technical topics, they're always done with the less experienced users in mind, >>plus everyone is always welcome to throw out requests for meeting topics. >> >>Don't worry about keeping up - all are welcome! >> >>Frank Sweetser fs at wpi.edu | For every problem, there is a solution that >>Manager of Network Operations | is simple, elegant, and wrong. >>Worcester Polytechnic Institute | - HL Mencken >> >>On 8/2/2014 4:13 PM, James Barclay wrote: >>> I haven't been to one of the meetings at WPI as of yet even though I only live >>> near Elm Park (Looks really nice now, eh?) and here is why: >>> >>> I'm afraid I'll be attending an engineering and science meeting where things >>> like servers will be discussed. And algorithms will be presented and >>> displayed for discussion; I'm just not that good. I'm just not at the Knuth >>> level at all and nowhere near someone like Stallman or Raymond. Who is? >>> >>> I'm what they call an "amateur Linux user and experimenter" and not an >>> engineer of scientist. I can program in various popular languages and use >>> emacs as editor. I can tailor my distro to do what I need and want, but I'm >>> not one to gin up my own Linux. I've even messed with BeOS. I want to spread >>> the word and maybe even host a Linux class and host an installation party- at >>> the WPL(?). I wonder if someone can sponsor St. IGNUcious (Stallman) seminar. >>> >>> I'd sure like Bruce Perens to do one, but I'm for FS. Running Netrunner 14 >>> (Kubuntu base) and just love it. Its a GNU/Linux. I want GNU/Linux to be THE >>> home user's OS. >>> >>> I have been studying security and vulnerabilities so I don't have Facebook, >>> Twitter or use too many browsers that spy and track. My new email is from >>> Google (Ok OK, I know), but at least Google's server is a Linux. I also use >>> Midori. >>> >>> I don't use anything Microsoft unless its on the WINE lists. I know nothing >>> about Apple and can't afford it. >>> >>> I built my own 32bit rig and have built three others and altered more. I dig >>> hardware and junk piles. >>> >>> I'm also disabled, so I live only on Soc. Sec. retirement. I do have a good car. >>> >>> Please advise me if I am appropriate for our WLUG. >>> >>> Thanks for the read. >>> >>> Jim Barclay >>_______________________________________________ >>Wlug mailing list >>Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >>http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >> >_______________________________________________ >Wlug mailing list >Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > >

Aug. 5, 2014

Re: [Wlug] Meeting on the 14th?

by David Glaser

How about the 13th. I have an openstack meeting on the 14th. Also, python for sysadmins sounds interesting. Openstack is written in Python. At first, I judged Python to be a scripting language but after some digging, it has some very usefull features for writing large systems- for example, name scoping. -David On 08/04/2014 05:03 PM, Tim Keller wrote: > By my reckoning the next meeting is the 14th? > > If nobody has a topic idea I'd be willing to do a quick talk on > "Python for sysadmins". > > Later, > Tim. > > -- > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their > constituents as "consumers". > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Aug. 4, 2014

Re: [Wlug] Meeting on the 14th?

by thinkbrown＠gmail.com

I'm always interested in hearing more about Python. - Logan On Aug 4, 2014 5:04 PM, "Tim Keller" <turbofx(a)gmail.com> wrote: > By my reckoning the next meeting is the 14th? > > If nobody has a topic idea I'd be willing to do a quick talk on "Python > for sysadmins". > > Later, > Tim. > > -- > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their > constituents as "consumers". > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > >

Aug. 4, 2014

Re: [Wlug] Meeting on the 14th?

by Frank Sweetser

Sounds like a good topic to me! -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. On August 4, 2014 5:03:09 PM EDT, Tim Keller <turbofx(a)gmail.com> wrote: >By my reckoning the next meeting is the 14th? > >If nobody has a topic idea I'd be willing to do a quick talk on "Python >for >sysadmins". > >Later, >Tim. > >-- >I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their >constituents as "consumers". > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >Wlug mailing list >Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Aug. 4, 2014

Meeting on the 14th?

by Tim Keller

By my reckoning the next meeting is the 14th? If nobody has a topic idea I'd be willing to do a quick talk on "Python for sysadmins". Later, Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

Aug. 4, 2014

Re: [Wlug] Spreading GNU/Linux to the masses

by James Gray

I think you'll fit right in. I'll try not to spout out any algorithms, but no promises, OK :) Seriously, I don't think we're a very intimidating group. Just come prepared to not know everything and be willing to ask questions. On Aug 4, 2014 12:36 AM, "Frank Sweetser" <fs(a)wpi.edu> wrote: > > Hi James, > > have no fear - the WLUG meetings are intentionally inclusive of users of > all levels, all the way out to people who have only heard of linux and are > curious to know more. While the meeting topics occasionally delve into > deeper > technical topics, they're always done with the less experienced users in > mind, > plus everyone is always welcome to throw out requests for meeting topics. > > Don't worry about keeping up - all are welcome! > > Frank Sweetser fs at wpi.edu | For every problem, there is a solution > that > Manager of Network Operations | is simple, elegant, and wrong. > Worcester Polytechnic Institute | - HL Mencken > > On 8/2/2014 4:13 PM, James Barclay wrote: > > I haven't been to one of the meetings at WPI as of yet even though I > only live > > near Elm Park (Looks really nice now, eh?) and here is why: > > > > I'm afraid I'll be attending an engineering and science meeting where > things > > like servers will be discussed. And algorithms will be presented and > > displayed for discussion; I'm just not that good. I'm just not at the > Knuth > > level at all and nowhere near someone like Stallman or Raymond. Who is? > > > > I'm what they call an "amateur Linux user and experimenter" and not an > > engineer of scientist. I can program in various popular languages and > use > > emacs as editor. I can tailor my distro to do what I need and want, but > I'm > > not one to gin up my own Linux. I've even messed with BeOS. I want to > spread > > the word and maybe even host a Linux class and host an installation > party- at > > the WPL(?). I wonder if someone can sponsor St. IGNUcious (Stallman) > seminar. > > > > I'd sure like Bruce Perens to do one, but I'm for FS. Running Netrunner > 14 > > (Kubuntu base) and just love it. Its a GNU/Linux. I want GNU/Linux to > be THE > > home user's OS. > > > > I have been studying security and vulnerabilities so I don't have > Facebook, > > Twitter or use too many browsers that spy and track. My new email is > from > > Google (Ok OK, I know), but at least Google's server is a Linux. I also > use > > Midori. > > > > I don't use anything Microsoft unless its on the WINE lists. I know > nothing > > about Apple and can't afford it. > > > > I built my own 32bit rig and have built three others and altered more. > I dig > > hardware and junk piles. > > > > I'm also disabled, so I live only on Soc. Sec. retirement. I do have a > good car. > > > > Please advise me if I am appropriate for our WLUG. > > > > Thanks for the read. > > > > Jim Barclay > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

Aug. 4, 2014

Re: [Wlug] Spreading GNU/Linux to the masses

by Frank Sweetser

Hi James, have no fear - the WLUG meetings are intentionally inclusive of users of all levels, all the way out to people who have only heard of linux and are curious to know more. While the meeting topics occasionally delve into deeper technical topics, they're always done with the less experienced users in mind, plus everyone is always welcome to throw out requests for meeting topics. Don't worry about keeping up - all are welcome! Frank Sweetser fs at wpi.edu | For every problem, there is a solution that Manager of Network Operations | is simple, elegant, and wrong. Worcester Polytechnic Institute | - HL Mencken On 8/2/2014 4:13 PM, James Barclay wrote: > I haven't been to one of the meetings at WPI as of yet even though I only live > near Elm Park (Looks really nice now, eh?) and here is why: > > I'm afraid I'll be attending an engineering and science meeting where things > like servers will be discussed. And algorithms will be presented and > displayed for discussion; I'm just not that good. I'm just not at the Knuth > level at all and nowhere near someone like Stallman or Raymond. Who is? > > I'm what they call an "amateur Linux user and experimenter" and not an > engineer of scientist. I can program in various popular languages and use > emacs as editor. I can tailor my distro to do what I need and want, but I'm > not one to gin up my own Linux. I've even messed with BeOS. I want to spread > the word and maybe even host a Linux class and host an installation party- at > the WPL(?). I wonder if someone can sponsor St. IGNUcious (Stallman) seminar. > > I'd sure like Bruce Perens to do one, but I'm for FS. Running Netrunner 14 > (Kubuntu base) and just love it. Its a GNU/Linux. I want GNU/Linux to be THE > home user's OS. > > I have been studying security and vulnerabilities so I don't have Facebook, > Twitter or use too many browsers that spy and track. My new email is from > Google (Ok OK, I know), but at least Google's server is a Linux. I also use > Midori. > > I don't use anything Microsoft unless its on the WINE lists. I know nothing > about Apple and can't afford it. > > I built my own 32bit rig and have built three others and altered more. I dig > hardware and junk piles. > > I'm also disabled, so I live only on Soc. Sec. retirement. I do have a good car. > > Please advise me if I am appropriate for our WLUG. > > Thanks for the read. > > Jim Barclay

Aug. 4, 2014

Automating RPM building

by dulsi＠identicalsoftware.com

For my btbuilder project, I have a script to automatically tag a new version, put everything into an tgz, cross-compile to windows, and zip that up. Recently I've been building a .src.rpm for Fedora's copr as well. Actually the rpm is for inclusion in Fedora but I haven't gotten a sponsor yet so publishing to copr is best I can do: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1079064 I'd like to automate the building of this .src.rpm. Currently I copy the tgz to makerpm's rpmbuild/SOURCES and use rpmbuild as user makerpm. I'm trying to find a good way to automate that. Suggestions? I could use ssh with ssh-keygen but I'm wondering if there is a better way.

July 12, 2014

ANNOUNCE: It's Official: WLUG picnic - Thursday July 10

by Chuck Anderson

Dick Goodman has volunteered to host & cook at his Worcester home for the WLUG picnic this year on Thursday July 10. Here are the parameters for Thursday's picnic: Dick will provide hot dogs, hamburgers, buns/rolls, potato salad, cole slaw and condiments. Spoiler: no cheeseburgers (kosher issue) People can bring: Soda and other beverages, watermelon, chips & dips, salad and desserts. Please don't bring anything with meat. Date/Time: Thursday, July 10, 6:00 PM Place: 51 Valley Hill Drive, Worcester, MA Thanks Dick for hosting! -Chuck

July 7, 2014

Re: [Wlug] Wlug Digest, Vol 129, Issue 1

by Pete Wason

I can. What time? Pete On 7/3/2014 12:00 PM, wlug-request(a)mail.wlug.org wrote: > Send Wlug mailing list submissions to > wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > wlug-request(a)mail.wlug.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > wlug-owner(a)mail.wlug.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Wlug digest..." > > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: WLUG BBQ - Thursday July 10? (The Hammer) > > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

July 6, 2014

Re: [Wlug] WLUG BBQ - Thursday July 10?

by The Hammer

Thought I'd make it, but can not. ________________________________ From: Chuck Anderson <cra(a)WPI.EDU> To: wlug(a)wlug.org Sent: Monday, June 23, 2014 2:42 PM Subject: [Wlug] WLUG BBQ - Thursday July 10? Dick Goodman has volunteered to host & cook at his Worcester home for the WLUG BBQ this year on Thursday July 10. Who would be able to make it on that date? _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

July 3, 2014

New router supporting fq_codel

by Frank Sweetser

Since a number of people were interested, I thought I'd throw out that Ubiquity EdgeMax now supports fq_codel: http://community.ubnt.com/t5/EdgeMAX-Updates-Blog/EdgeMax-software-release-… These are good devices if you want something with a lot of enterprise-type features at consumer grade prices. -- Frank Sweetser fs at wpi.edu | For every problem, there is a solution that Manager of Network Operations | is simple, elegant, and wrong. Worcester Polytechnic Institute | - HL Mencken

June 26, 2014

Re: [Wlug] WLUG BBQ - Thursday July 10?

by Frank Sweetser

Awesome meeting topic! Any volunteers to present? :) -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. On June 24, 2014 1:29:58 PM EDT, Tim Keller <turbofx(a)gmail.com> wrote: >I suppose with a 3d printer that could print in chocolate would be >awesome. > > >On Tue, Jun 24, 2014 at 11:57 AM, Frank Sweetser <fs(a)wpi.edu> wrote: > >> >> Or maybe this is what he meant? >> >> >> >http://techcrunch.com/2009/05/06/meatcards-print-your-business-cards-on-bee… >> >> Frank Sweetser fs at wpi.edu | For every problem, there is a >solution >> that >> Manager of Network Operations | is simple, elegant, and wrong. >> Worcester Polytechnic Institute | - HL Mencken >> >> On 06/24/2014 11:56 AM, dglaser(a)glaserresearch.net wrote: >> > Editable Items? How do you BBQ a PDF file? :-) >> > >> > On June 24, 2014 at 10:55 AM Tim Keller <turbofx(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Obviously, I'd be willing to bring editable items! >> >> >> >> >> >> On Mon, Jun 23, 2014 at 8:50 PM, David Glaser < >> dglaser(a)glaserresearch.net >> >> <mailto:dglaser@glaserresearch.net>> wrote: >> >> >> >> Works for me. >> >> >> >> -David Glaser >> >> On 06/23/2014 02:42 PM, Chuck Anderson wrote: >> >>> Dick Goodman has volunteered to host & cook at his Worcester >home >> for >> >>> the WLUG BBQ this year on Thursday July 10. Who would be >able to >> make >> >>> it on that date? >> >>> _______________________________________________ >> >>> Wlug mailing list >> >>> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org <mailto:Wlug@mail.wlug.org> >> >>> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >> >>> >> >>> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Wlug mailing list >> >> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org <mailto:Wlug@mail.wlug.org> >> >> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to >their >> >> constituents as "consumers". >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Wlug mailing list >> >> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >> >> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >> > >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Wlug mailing list >> > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >> > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >> > >> _______________________________________________ >> Wlug mailing list >> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >> > > > >-- >I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their >constituents as "consumers". > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >Wlug mailing list >Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

June 24, 2014

Re: [Wlug] WLUG BBQ - Thursday July 10?

by Tim Keller

I suppose with a 3d printer that could print in chocolate would be awesome. On Tue, Jun 24, 2014 at 11:57 AM, Frank Sweetser <fs(a)wpi.edu> wrote: > > Or maybe this is what he meant? > > > http://techcrunch.com/2009/05/06/meatcards-print-your-business-cards-on-bee… > > Frank Sweetser fs at wpi.edu | For every problem, there is a solution > that > Manager of Network Operations | is simple, elegant, and wrong. > Worcester Polytechnic Institute | - HL Mencken > > On 06/24/2014 11:56 AM, dglaser(a)glaserresearch.net wrote: > > Editable Items? How do you BBQ a PDF file? :-) > > > > On June 24, 2014 at 10:55 AM Tim Keller <turbofx(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> Obviously, I'd be willing to bring editable items! > >> > >> > >> On Mon, Jun 23, 2014 at 8:50 PM, David Glaser < > dglaser(a)glaserresearch.net > >> <mailto:dglaser@glaserresearch.net>> wrote: > >> > >> Works for me. > >> > >> -David Glaser > >> On 06/23/2014 02:42 PM, Chuck Anderson wrote: > >>> Dick Goodman has volunteered to host & cook at his Worcester home > for > >>> the WLUG BBQ this year on Thursday July 10. Who would be able to > make > >>> it on that date? > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Wlug mailing list > >>> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org <mailto:Wlug@mail.wlug.org> > >>> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > >>> > >>> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Wlug mailing list > >> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org <mailto:Wlug@mail.wlug.org> > >> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their > >> constituents as "consumers". > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Wlug mailing list > >> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > >> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wlug mailing list > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

June 24, 2014

Re: [Wlug] WLUG BBQ - Thursday July 10?

by Frank Sweetser

Or maybe this is what he meant? http://techcrunch.com/2009/05/06/meatcards-print-your-business-cards-on-bee… Frank Sweetser fs at wpi.edu | For every problem, there is a solution that Manager of Network Operations | is simple, elegant, and wrong. Worcester Polytechnic Institute | - HL Mencken On 06/24/2014 11:56 AM, dglaser(a)glaserresearch.net wrote: > Editable Items? How do you BBQ a PDF file? :-) > > On June 24, 2014 at 10:55 AM Tim Keller <turbofx(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> Obviously, I'd be willing to bring editable items! >> >> >> On Mon, Jun 23, 2014 at 8:50 PM, David Glaser <dglaser(a)glaserresearch.net >> <mailto:dglaser@glaserresearch.net>> wrote: >> >> Works for me. >> >> -David Glaser >> On 06/23/2014 02:42 PM, Chuck Anderson wrote: >>> Dick Goodman has volunteered to host & cook at his Worcester home for >>> the WLUG BBQ this year on Thursday July 10. Who would be able to make >>> it on that date? >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wlug mailing list >>> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org <mailto:Wlug@mail.wlug.org> >>> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wlug mailing list >> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org <mailto:Wlug@mail.wlug.org> >> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >> >> >> >> -- >> I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their >> constituents as "consumers". >> _______________________________________________ >> Wlug mailing list >> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

June 24, 2014

Re: [Wlug] WLUG BBQ - Thursday July 10?

by dglaser＠glaserresearch.net

Editable Items? How do you BBQ a PDF file? :-) On June 24, 2014 at 10:55 AM Tim Keller <turbofx(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Obviously, I'd be willing to bring editable items! > > > On Mon, Jun 23, 2014 at 8:50 PM, David Glaser <dglaser(a)glaserresearch.net > <mailto:dglaser@glaserresearch.net> > wrote: > > > Works for me. > > > > -David Glaser > > On 06/23/2014 02:42 PM, Chuck Anderson wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dick Goodman has volunteered to host & cook at his Worcester home > > > for > > > the WLUG BBQ this year on Thursday July 10. Who would be able to > > > make > > > it on that date? > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Wlug mailing list > > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org <mailto:Wlug@mail.wlug.org> > > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > <http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wlug mailing list > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org <mailto:Wlug@mail.wlug.org> > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > <http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug> > > > > > > -- > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their > constituents as "consumers". > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

June 24, 2014

Re: [Wlug] WLUG BBQ - Thursday July 10?

by Frank Sweetser

What, like a wiki? ;-) Frank Sweetser fs at wpi.edu | For every problem, there is a solution that Manager of Network Operations | is simple, elegant, and wrong. Worcester Polytechnic Institute | - HL Mencken On 06/24/2014 10:55 AM, Tim Keller wrote: > Obviously, I'd be willing to bring editable items! > > > On Mon, Jun 23, 2014 at 8:50 PM, David Glaser <dglaser(a)glaserresearch.net > <mailto:dglaser@glaserresearch.net>> wrote: > > Works for me. > > -David Glaser > On 06/23/2014 02:42 PM, Chuck Anderson wrote: >> Dick Goodman has volunteered to host & cook at his Worcester home for >> the WLUG BBQ this year on Thursday July 10. Who would be able to make >> it on that date? >> _______________________________________________ >> Wlug mailing list >> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org <mailto:Wlug@mail.wlug.org> >> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org <mailto:Wlug@mail.wlug.org> > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > > -- > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their > constituents as "consumers". > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

June 24, 2014

Re: [Wlug] WLUG BBQ - Thursday July 10?

by Tim Keller

Obviously, I'd be willing to bring editable items! On Mon, Jun 23, 2014 at 8:50 PM, David Glaser <dglaser(a)glaserresearch.net> wrote: > Works for me. > > -David Glaser > On 06/23/2014 02:42 PM, Chuck Anderson wrote: > > Dick Goodman has volunteered to host & cook at his Worcester home for > the WLUG BBQ this year on Thursday July 10. Who would be able to make > it on that date? > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing listWlug@mail.wlug.orghttp://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

June 24, 2014

Re: [Wlug] WLUG BBQ - Thursday July 10?

by David Glaser

Works for me. -David Glaser On 06/23/2014 02:42 PM, Chuck Anderson wrote: > Dick Goodman has volunteered to host & cook at his Worcester home for > the WLUG BBQ this year on Thursday July 10. Who would be able to make > it on that date? > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > >

June 24, 2014

Re: [Wlug] WLUG BBQ - Thursday July 10?

by Chris Thompson

I'd love to come. Hopefully I can...things are very up in the air for me at the moment. While I'm here, may I implore you all to send any work you'd rather not do my way? As far as Linux skills, I may be a newbie compared to many of you, but I can figure stuff out and I need work to do. I do my work for donations even. Let me know if I can help someone. What time would the cookout be? Any needs? Thanks, Chris http://www.wolcen.com On Mon, Jun 23, 2014 at 3:46 PM, Bob <robert.athol.mass(a)gmail.com> wrote: > I would enjoy coming. Can I help? > > Bob > > On 6/23/2014 2:42 PM, Chuck Anderson wrote: >> Dick Goodman has volunteered to host & cook at his Worcester home for >> the WLUG BBQ this year on Thursday July 10. Who would be able to make >> it on that date? >> _______________________________________________ >> Wlug mailing list >> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >> . >> > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

June 23, 2014

Re: [Wlug] WLUG BBQ - Thursday July 10?

by Bob

I would enjoy coming. Can I help? Bob On 6/23/2014 2:42 PM, Chuck Anderson wrote: > Dick Goodman has volunteered to host & cook at his Worcester home for > the WLUG BBQ this year on Thursday July 10. Who would be able to make > it on that date? > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > . >

June 23, 2014

Re: [Wlug] WLUG BBQ - Thursday July 10?

by Frank Sweetser

No go for me, sadly, I'll be out of town that entire week... Frank Sweetser fs at wpi.edu | For every problem, there is a solution that Manager of Network Operations | is simple, elegant, and wrong. Worcester Polytechnic Institute | - HL Mencken On 06/23/2014 02:42 PM, Chuck Anderson wrote: > Dick Goodman has volunteered to host & cook at his Worcester home for > the WLUG BBQ this year on Thursday July 10. Who would be able to make > it on that date? > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

June 23, 2014

Re: [Wlug] WLUG BBQ - Thursday July 10?

by Eric Martin

That works for me, I'll see you there. On Jun 23, 2014 2:43 PM, "Chuck Anderson" <cra(a)wpi.edu> wrote: > Dick Goodman has volunteered to host & cook at his Worcester home for > the WLUG BBQ this year on Thursday July 10. Who would be able to make > it on that date? > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

June 23, 2014

Re: [Wlug] WLUG BBQ - Thursday July 10?

by Tim Keller

I'd be able to make that! On Mon, Jun 23, 2014 at 2:42 PM, Chuck Anderson <cra(a)wpi.edu> wrote: > Dick Goodman has volunteered to host & cook at his Worcester home for > the WLUG BBQ this year on Thursday July 10. Who would be able to make > it on that date? > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

June 23, 2014

WLUG BBQ - Thursday July 10?

by Chuck Anderson

Dick Goodman has volunteered to host & cook at his Worcester home for the WLUG BBQ this year on Thursday July 10. Who would be able to make it on that date?

June 23, 2014

Paying Job needing Linux expertise

by Robert Schwein

WVAO-LP FM radio station in Athol MA has just received its FCC construction permit. They are now organizing to build a radio station. One task is to design/build the control room. They want to use Linux. They would prefer using SUSE (https://www.suse.com/products/server/ and/or https://www.suse.com/products/desktop/) to ensure support and security for the decades to come. You would work in collaboration with the project manager, Ms Marie MacDonald and her team of volunteers. You would be specifying/building control room computer(s), specifying/installing/configuring management and monitoring software, and setting up a support infrastructure (if something goes wrong at 2 in the morning they need to quickly get back on the air) (if a software update results in a broken dependency, it needs to be fixed). Pay is by the hour and to be negotiated with the project manager. This is a non-profit organization. You will not get rich but you will have solid resume material and will definitely be helping the towns of Athol and Orange get a community radio station on the air. You're more than welcome to contact me for additional information. Bob Robert.Athol.Mass(a)Gmail.com

June 19, 2014

Re: [Wlug] Yahoo Mail DMARC

by The Hammer

Hey Chuck, Got your reply (copied below). There are some odd things going on: I believe I usually would get my sent WLUG post in my inbox. It has not appeared. But at least you seeing the message is good....I think it is time for me to consider moving to another email service, as the other mail lists I subscribe to will not work Ron ________________________________ From: Chuck Anderson <cra(a)WPI.EDU> To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2014 10:11 AM Subject: Re: [Wlug] Yahoo Mail DMARC I got it. Do you see my reply? On Wed, Jun 18, 2014 at 06:58:25AM -0700, The Hammer wrote: > Hello Everyone, > > This email is somewhat of a "test" as I'm just wondering if I can still send emails through as Yahoo has made some changes with their DMARC policy > > > http://www.virusbtn.com/blog/2014/04_15.xml _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

June 18, 2014

Re: [Wlug] Yahoo Mail DMARC

by Chuck Anderson

I got it. Do you see my reply? On Wed, Jun 18, 2014 at 06:58:25AM -0700, The Hammer wrote: > Hello Everyone, > > This email is somewhat of a "test" as I'm just wondering if I can still send emails through as Yahoo has made some changes with their DMARC policy > > > http://www.virusbtn.com/blog/2014/04_15.xml

June 18, 2014

Yahoo Mail DMARC

by The Hammer

Hello Everyone, This email is somewhat of a "test" as I'm just wondering if I can still send emails through as Yahoo has made some changes with their DMARC policy http://www.virusbtn.com/blog/2014/04_15.xml

June 18, 2014

Re: [Wlug] Move June 12 meeting to June 19?

by Tim Keller

I'm not available either date... So have at it. Just make sure you have a good presentation I can grouse around about for missing. On Jun 7, 2014, at 12:53 PM, Chuck Anderson <cra(a)WPI.EDU> wrote: > I will not be available on Thursday June 12. Is there interest in > moving the date to Thursday June 19? > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

June 8, 2014

Re: [Wlug] Move June 12 meeting to June 19?

by David Glaser

Works for me also. -David On 06/07/2014 03:40 PM, Bob wrote: > That would be fine with me. > > Bob > > On 6/7/2014 12:53 PM, Chuck Anderson wrote: >> I will not be available on Thursday June 12. Is there interest in >> moving the date to Thursday June 19? >> _______________________________________________ >> Wlug mailing list >> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >> > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > >

June 7, 2014

Re: [Wlug] Move June 12 meeting to June 19?

by Bob

That would be fine with me. Bob On 6/7/2014 12:53 PM, Chuck Anderson wrote: > I will not be available on Thursday June 12. Is there interest in > moving the date to Thursday June 19? > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

June 7, 2014

Re: [Wlug] Move June 12 meeting to June 19?

by Frank Sweetser

That would work well for me. -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. On June 7, 2014 12:53:19 PM EDT, Chuck Anderson <cra(a)WPI.EDU> wrote: >I will not be available on Thursday June 12. Is there interest in >moving the date to Thursday June 19? >_______________________________________________ >Wlug mailing list >Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

June 7, 2014

Move June 12 meeting to June 19?

by Chuck Anderson

I will not be available on Thursday June 12. Is there interest in moving the date to Thursday June 19?

June 7, 2014

Re: [Wlug] Meetup - up north?

by Tal Cohen

Thanks Chuck, Both are about equidistant for me... I was hoping to meet up with techies closer to home. Tal On 5/11/2014 9:12 AM, Chuck Anderson wrote: > In case you didn't know, there are two other groups that may better > suit your availability/location: > > Chelmsford Linux Meetup which meets monthly at the Java Room in > Chelmsford: > > http://www.meetup.com/linux-393/ > > Boston Linux & Unix User Group which meets montly and sometimes more > often on the MIT campus in Cambridge: > > http://blu.org/ > > On Sun, May 11, 2014 at 09:07:02AM -0400, Tal Cohen wrote: >> Hi All! >> >> My schedule has always prevented me from going to any of the meetups in >> Worcester. I'm up in Leominster and work in Boston. Anyone in the North >> Central area want to try to get together one of these evenings or weekends? >> >> Tal > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

May 11, 2014

Re: [Wlug] Meetup - up north?

by Chuck Anderson

In case you didn't know, there are two other groups that may better suit your availability/location: Chelmsford Linux Meetup which meets monthly at the Java Room in Chelmsford: http://www.meetup.com/linux-393/ Boston Linux & Unix User Group which meets montly and sometimes more often on the MIT campus in Cambridge: http://blu.org/ On Sun, May 11, 2014 at 09:07:02AM -0400, Tal Cohen wrote: > Hi All! > > My schedule has always prevented me from going to any of the meetups in > Worcester. I'm up in Leominster and work in Boston. Anyone in the North > Central area want to try to get together one of these evenings or weekends? > > Tal

May 11, 2014

Meetup - up north?

by Tal Cohen

Hi All! My schedule has always prevented me from going to any of the meetups in Worcester. I'm up in Leominster and work in Boston. Anyone in the North Central area want to try to get together one of these evenings or weekends? Tal

May 11, 2014

Run Linux on HP Touchpad

by Andy Stewart

HI everybody, Somebody just gave me an HP Touchpad, and I'd like to run Linux on it. It seems that I'm about 3 years too late to this game. I cannot find a set of instructions that work from a Linux computer. Many of the links to software needed to make this work are out of date. I succeeded in getting my Linux system to see the HP Touchpad as a USB device and I copied some files to it. Is there any hope? Have a lot of fun, Andy -- Andy Stewart (KB1OIQ) Founder: Worcester Linux Users' Group Founder: Chelmsford Linux Meetup Group President: PART of Westford, MA (WB1GOF)

May 10, 2014

WLUG meeting tonight: meet at WPI, then walk down to 95 Prescott St.

by Chuck Anderson

Thanks, updated. Kevin Harrington: Tour of Technocopia hackerspace & talk about OpenSCAD Date/Time: Thursday, May 8 7:00 - 9:00 PM Location: Meet at WPI Campus Center, Chairman's Room 129 at 7:00 PM. We will leave at 7:15 PM to walk down to Technocopia, 95 Prescott St. On Thu, May 08, 2014 at 01:49:03PM -0400, Keith Wright wrote: > > I just checked http://www.wlug.org/ and saw: > > > WLUG's Upcoming Meeting > > Date/Time: Thursday, April 10 > > Location: WPI Campus Center, Mid-Century Room 331 > > I nevertheless assert, on information and belief, > that the next meeting is TODAY, the eighth of May. > > I expect to be there. It might be worth reminding > the list (as hereby done), since there has been > so much other list traffic since the information > that led to my belief was transmitted: > > Kevin Harrington NR <kharrington(a)neuronrobotics.com> writes: > > > > I will be introducing OpenSCAD, a DSL for CAD modeling. > > > Date: Fri, 2 May 2014 18:43:00 -0400 > > From: Chuck Anderson <cra(a)WPI.EDU> > > Subject: [Wlug] May meeting? Yes! See the Technocopia hackerspace. > > >> Kevin Harrington has volunteered to give WLUG a tour of Technocopia, > >> > >> So here's the plan: > >> > >> WLUG Meeting Thursday, May 8 2014. > >> > >> 7:00 PM meet at WPI Campus Center, Chairman's Room. > >> > >> 7:15 PM or so, head down to Technocopia, 95 Prescott Street, > >> Worcester, MA 01605 > > I am not sure whether to expect a road-trip or a software demo, > but leave my fate in Harrington's hands. > > Looks like latecomers may lose or become lossage. > > -- Keith

May 8, 2014

Hurray, Hurray, for the eighth of May!

by Keith Wright

I just checked http://www.wlug.org/ and saw: > WLUG's Upcoming Meeting > Date/Time: Thursday, April 10 > Location: WPI Campus Center, Mid-Century Room 331 I nevertheless assert, on information and belief, that the next meeting is TODAY, the eighth of May. I expect to be there. It might be worth reminding the list (as hereby done), since there has been so much other list traffic since the information that led to my belief was transmitted: Kevin Harrington NR <kharrington(a)neuronrobotics.com> writes: > > I will be introducing OpenSCAD, a DSL for CAD modeling. > Date: Fri, 2 May 2014 18:43:00 -0400 > From: Chuck Anderson <cra(a)WPI.EDU> > Subject: [Wlug] May meeting? Yes! See the Technocopia hackerspace. >> Kevin Harrington has volunteered to give WLUG a tour of Technocopia, >> >> So here's the plan: >> >> WLUG Meeting Thursday, May 8 2014. >> >> 7:00 PM meet at WPI Campus Center, Chairman's Room. >> >> 7:15 PM or so, head down to Technocopia, 95 Prescott Street, >> Worcester, MA 01605 I am not sure whether to expect a road-trip or a software demo, but leave my fate in Harrington's hands. Looks like latecomers may lose or become lossage. -- Keith

May 8, 2014