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Re: [Wlug] Need input re: developers tools

by Orion

Keith Wright said: > > From: Andy Stewart <andystewart(a)mediaone.net> > > > > I am starting to write up the last 1/3 of my presentation to the Delphi > > Developers group, and its the section on developer tools and utilities. I'd > > like some input from you folks as to what I should include in this section. > > > > Emacs - the original "IDE" (???) > > What are those questions marks for? Of course Emacs. > > > gdb for debugging (nicer with DDD front end, IMHO) > > make and Makefiles > > gcc > > > > What else do "real" Linux developers use? Maybe I'm suffering a brain cramp > > this evening, but your input will help. what about libtool and autoconf (and family) ? > Real Programmers don't use a debugger, but you can talk about it if you > have time. I've never used Perl (except by accident) but there are those > who find it useful. (Those who find it beautiful are perverts, don't talk to them.) > > > Also, are there any tools or compilers for Pascal? Remember, the Delphi folks > > understand Pascal, and I'm sure they will ask this question. (It has been 20 > > years since I programmed anything in Pascal...). > > There is a Pascal to C translator laying about. I tried to use it once, > but the Pascal program I had was not in any of the four or five dialects > of Pascal that it knew, so it didn't work very well. If you were writting > the program yourself and could avoid extentions of dubious parentage, > it might work better. Unfortunately, anybody who is using Pascal for > anything other than teaching CS101, as intended, has probably locked themselves > into some bastard proprietary version that will never run anywhere unless > the company that owns it decides it should. The original implementation > of Pascal by Wirth was quite portable, I ported it myself once so I know. > Somebody must have put it on Linux by now, but I don't know any details. [orion@rex(~)] apt-cache search pascal fp-compiler - Free Pascal Compiler fp-docs - Free Pascal Documentation fp-units-api - Free Pascal API units fp-units-base - Free Pascal base units ... fp-units-db - Free Pascal units for some database libraries fp-utils - Free Pascal Utils gpc - The GNU Pascal compiler. gpc-2.95 - The GNU Pascal compiler. gpc-2.95-doc - Documentation for the GNU Pascal compiler (gpc). gpc-doc - Documentation for the GNU Pascal compiler (gpc). p2c - Pascal to C translator pas2html - Highlight Pascal and Modula-2 sources for WWW presentation [orion@rex(~)] -- Orion orion [at] tribble [dot] dyndns [dot] org [{(SPLAT!!!)}] oops.

April 16, 2001

Re: [Wlug] Is WMF a proprietary format?

by Orion

Andy Stewart said: > > If not, are there tools to convert it into something viewable on a Linux box? > There are viewers available for Solaris, but not Linux. > > Thanks, > > Andy You might want to try http://wvware.sourceforge.net/libwmf.html ? libwmf: WMF conversion libraries Windows Metafile (WMF) is a picture format used by many Windows programs, e.g. Microsoft Word. libwmf is a set of libraries for converting WMF files into other formats. Currently it supports a gd binding for conversion to PNG, and an X one for drawing directly to an X window or pixmap. There is experimental support for the XFig format and Encapsulated PostScript. -- Orion orion [at] tribble [dot] dyndns [dot] org No fish were harmed in posting to this froup.

April 16, 2001

Re: [Wlug] Need input re: developers tools

by Keith Wright

> From: Andy Stewart <andystewart(a)mediaone.net> > > I am starting to write up the last 1/3 of my presentation to the Delphi > Developers group, and its the section on developer tools and utilities. I'd > like some input from you folks as to what I should include in this section. > > Emacs - the original "IDE" (???) What are those questions marks for? Of course Emacs. > gdb for debugging (nicer with DDD front end, IMHO) > make and Makefiles > gcc > > What else do "real" Linux developers use? Maybe I'm suffering a brain cramp > this evening, but your input will help. Real Programmers don't use a debugger, but you can talk about it if you have time. I've never used Perl (except by accident) but there are those who find it useful. (Those who find it beautiful are perverts, don't talk to them.) > Also, are there any tools or compilers for Pascal? Remember, the Delphi folks > understand Pascal, and I'm sure they will ask this question. (It has been 20 > years since I programmed anything in Pascal...). There is a Pascal to C translator laying about. I tried to use it once, but the Pascal program I had was not in any of the four or five dialects of Pascal that it knew, so it didn't work very well. If you were writting the program yourself and could avoid extentions of dubious parentage, it might work better. Unfortunately, anybody who is using Pascal for anything other than teaching CS101, as intended, has probably locked themselves into some bastard proprietary version that will never run anywhere unless the company that owns it decides it should. The original implementation of Pascal by Wirth was quite portable, I ported it myself once so I know. Somebody must have put it on Linux by now, but I don't know any details. -- -- Keith Wright <kwright(a)free-comp-shop.com> Programmer in Chief, Free Computer Shop <http://www.free-comp-shop.com> --- Food, Shelter, Source code. ---

April 16, 2001

Re: [Wlug] Is WMF a proprietary format?

by Brian J. Conway

Windows Media Format? ;-) I assume the viewers work under Solaris because they're part of the ported IE 5.x package, no? > If not, are there tools to convert it into something viewable on a Linux box? > There are viewers available for Solaris, but not Linux. I'm really not sure on that one, chief, I just had input on the first half. Sorry. Brian J. Conway dogbert(a)clue4all.net Geek for hire: http://clue4all.net/resume

April 16, 2001

Is WMF a proprietary format?

by Andy Stewart

If not, are there tools to convert it into something viewable on a Linux box? There are viewers available for Solaris, but not Linux. Thanks, Andy -- Andy Stewart, Founder -o) | "Why is it that we rejoice at a birth and Worcester Linux Users' Group /\ | grieve at a funeral? It is because we Worcester, MA, USA _\_v | are not the person involved" -- Mark http://www.wlug.org | Twain

April 16, 2001

Need input re: developers tools

by Andy Stewart

HI gang, I am starting to write up the last 1/3 of my presentation to the Delphi Developers group, and its the section on developer tools and utilities. I'd like some input from you folks as to what I should include in this section. Emacs - the original "IDE" (???) gdb for debugging (nicer with DDD front end, IMHO) make and Makefiles gcc What else do "real" Linux developers use? Maybe I'm suffering a brain cramp this evening, but your input will help. Also, are there any tools or compilers for Pascal? Remember, the Delphi folks understand Pascal, and I'm sure they will ask this question. (It has been 20 years since I programmed anything in Pascal...). Thanks, Andy -- Andy Stewart, Founder -o) | Osborn's Law: Variables won't; constants Worcester Linux Users' Group /\ | aren't. Worcester, MA, USA _\_v | http://www.wlug.org |

April 16, 2001

Re: [Wlug] Need input re: developers tools

by Viper

On Mon, 16 Apr 2001, Keith Wright wrote: > > From: Andy Stewart <andystewart(a)mediaone.net> > > > > I am starting to write up the last 1/3 of my presentation to the Delphi > > Developers group, and its the section on developer tools and utilities. I'd > > like some input from you folks as to what I should include in this section. > > > > Emacs - the original "IDE" (???) > > What are those questions marks for? Of course Emacs. > > > gdb for debugging (nicer with DDD front end, IMHO) > > make and Makefiles > > gcc > > > > What else do "real" Linux developers use? Maybe I'm suffering a brain cramp > > this evening, but your input will help. > > Real Programmers don't use a debugger, but you can talk about it if you > have time. I've never used Perl (except by accident) but there are those > who find it useful. (Those who find it beautiful are perverts, don't talk to them.) As far as I knew real programmers do use debuggers unless we all have become perfect coders for some crazy reason now. > > > Also, are there any tools or compilers for Pascal? Remember, the Delphi folks > > understand Pascal, and I'm sure they will ask this question. (It has been 20 > > years since I programmed anything in Pascal...). > > There is a Pascal to C translator laying about. I tried to use it once, > but the Pascal program I had was not in any of the four or five dialects > of Pascal that it knew, so it didn't work very well. If you were writting > the program yourself and could avoid extentions of dubious parentage, > it might work better. Unfortunately, anybody who is using Pascal for > anything other than teaching CS101, as intended, has probably locked themselves > into some bastard proprietary version that will never run anywhere unless > the company that owns it decides it should. The original implementation > of Pascal by Wirth was quite portable, I ported it myself once so I know. > Somebody must have put it on Linux by now, but I don't know any details. > > -=>Viper<=-

April 16, 2001

Re: Verizon DSL questions

by cc.noyes

LRP 3.1.0. You need to browse the various kernel images at www.linuxrouter.org to find the one that most closely matches your environment. You'll probably want an image that has a pppoe (if you're using Verizon DSL), ipchains, DHCP, caching DNS, etc. You can download it along with the modules for your ethernet cards. Since this is a router, you'll need at least 2 ethernet cards; one for the "WAN" side (DSL connection) and one for your local (LAN) network. I use my LRP box as a gateway/router and a firewall (running ipchains). My Verizon DSL "modem" is connected to the LRP box via one of the ethernet cards and the other ethernet card in the LRP box is connected to a hub in my house. All of the PCs in the house are also connected to the hub. I configured a private class C ethernet network in my house and all the PC's have a 192.168.x.y address, including the LAN interface of the LRP box. The WAN side gets it IP address from Verizon via DHCP. These addresses get "spoofed" via IPMASQ to the outside world. The whole set-up works great. You can get other modules to load from the floppy, but remember everything has to fit on a floppy. One neat trick is the ability to format a floppy to hold more than 1.4 MB. I don't recall if it's the fdformat command or something else (I'm sure someone on this list can supply the details.....it's been a while, and I don't remember), but you can format a floppy so it will hold 1.6 MB (maybe more) and Linux has no trouble booting from it. The neat thing is that you can use an old "clunker" PC that you may have lying around for the LRP box. You don't even need a hard drive, and it's recommended that you DON'T use a hard drive (secruity reasons...remember this box is exposed to the outside world). I don't even have a monitor or keyboard connected to the LRP box. It just runs and runs and runs.... Step through the LRP configuration, write-protect the floppy, and you're in business.... I hope this helps..... -Chuck Randall Hofland wrote: > That was more like a whole nickel. Which version of LRP? Are you running just the > router or do you have some of the other goodies like the firewall, etc.? And the big > question: is it possible to run multiple floppies to add services? > > I've actually been planning on using OpenBSD either on one of my 68K Macs or on a > Pentium/K6 box for my front end, but if I can get the LRP to work with a couple of > floppies, that would do as well. But I am still waiting for any version of "broadband" > so I can hook up my various clusters to the web. > > "cc.noyes" wrote: > > > I've had Verizon's ADSL service (the "cheapo" $39.95 service) since December and > > it's been solid. I have no complaints. I use an old PC running LRP (Linux Router > > Project, see www.linuxrouter.org) The LRP boots from a single floppy (I removed > > the hard drive). The LRP uses Ragin Penguin's pppoe. It's simple to install and > > set up. > > > > Verizon has NO clue about anything other than Win98. So they were no help to me. > > I installed their h/w and my own LRP box, but it was no big deal. I've never had > > to call fo support, so I don't know how good they are, but...they only want to deal > > with systems runing Win98. > > > > Just my $.02..... > > > > -Chuck > > > > Mark Caron wrote: > > > > > I'm considering DSL for myself at home. I've already checked out the Verizon > > > site and I am about 6,000 ft or so away from the c.o., so I'm ok on that front. > > > I am wondering if there's anything new regarding Verizon DSL in regards to > > > Linux. How Linux friendly are they these days? I know from reading their > > > website that I'm probably on my own for supporting linux on their DSL, but > > > that's ok I figured that. Any problems or other considerations I should be > > > looking into? Besides buying a DSL/cable modem router, that's already on the > > > 'to buy' list. I know it's about a 3 week wait I believe for the setup date. > > > Also a friend of mine in NYC just got hers 2 weeks ago, and had to go through a > > > setup program on her windows box. Is this just setting up pppoe? Or does it > > > also setup the DSL modem? Am I correct in thinking that it's just the pppoe and > > > I can just setup my linux box with pppoe and setup the DSL router and be done > > > with it. Or should I just plug in my win95 harddrive and let the setup program > > > setup the DSL modem then fire up linux and finish setting up linux and the DSL > > > router? > > > > > > Thanks for any advice. > > > > > > Mark > > > - > > > Subcription/unsubscription/info requests: send e-mail with > > > "subscribe", "unsubscribe", or "info" on the first line of the > > > message body to discuss-request(a)blu.org (Subject line is ignored). > > > > - > > Subcription/unsubscription/info requests: send e-mail with > > "subscribe", "unsubscribe", or "info" on the first line of the > > message body to discuss-request(a)blu.org (Subject line is ignored).

April 14, 2001

REMINDER: Upcoming Linux events

by Andy Stewart

HI everybody, Here's a quick reminder about upcoming events. ================================== Wednesday, April 18th: Richard Stallman will be speaking at Holy Cross in Worcester Location: 112 O'Neill Hall Time: 3:30 PM - 5:30 PM Here's a map of the campus: http://www.holycross.edu/about/camp_mapbw.html ================================== Thursday, April 19th: WLUG meeting Location: Kinnicutt Hall, WPI in Worcester Time: 7:00 PM Speaker: Bob Ziegler, Linux Firewalls ================================== Monday, April 23rd: Delphi Developers' Group Meeting Location: Allaire Corporation, Newton, MA Time: starts at 7:00 PM (be there earlier to setup) Directions to this meeting can be found here: http://www.discom.com/delphi/ I will be giving a presentation to this group (details can be found at the "Meetings" link on the Delphi website). A group of WLUG volunteers will be on hand to demonstrate Linux software. One person who had volunteered to help at the Delphi Developers group has had to drop out, so I am looking for 1 or perhaps 2 more volunteers who'd like to come to this meeting to help out with demos of Linux on their own hardware. Please get back to me ASAP. Thanks! ================================== Later, Andy -- Andy Stewart, Founder -o) | "I have the world's largest collection of Worcester Linux Users' Group /\ | seashells. I keep it scattered around Worcester, MA, USA _\_v | the beaches of the world ... Perhaps http://www.wlug.org | you've seen it. -- Steven Wright

April 13, 2001

Re: [Wlug] Cable Modem Charter.net

by Leon Do

Have you turn off your cable modem for few minutes when switch from Windows machine to Linux machine? That is very common problem that I have seen and happened to me before. Leon Do doug waud wrote: > > > I was wondering if someone can help me > > configure a cable modem to use in linux. > > I think the issue is configuring your computer. The cable > modem is probably configured by the cable company (I > bet they came in, ran Windows and got that working and > then left. At that point the cable modem was "doing > its thing" and you were left to fend for yourself on > the linux side. That was my experience here in Shrewsbury. > Incidentally, this is not all that unreasonable. After all > they are a business and cannot afford to go far off the > beaten path.) > > > I setup my ethernet card eth0 this seems to have taken > > because I can ping localhost. However I cannot ping > > past it. > > Hi > > As one responder has already noted, we really need more > information. However, I would suggest you start by typing > ifconfig > (You will probably have to be root to do this; just type su > and enter your root password. Type exit to get out later) > This should show an eth0 entry in addition to the lo entry. > If you have no eth0 entry get back to us (we have to backtrack). > If you have an eth0 entry, look to see what the "inet address" is. > For example, on the computer I have connected to the cable modem > (Shrewsbury cable, but the general approach should be the same) give > 216.195.16.123 > which tells me I am on a network not in the local 192.168.m.n > class so I read this as an address assigned by the cable company > (dhcp, as an earlier responder indicated is likely for you too). > > Next try route -n > > Here I get three lines of interest, something like > > 216.195.16.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.248.0 U eth0 > 0.0.0.0 216.195.16.1 0.0.0.0 UG eth0 > 127.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 255.0.0.0 U lo > > The last line is your loopback address (as already > noted by an earlier responder, a side issue). > > The first line meshes nicely with the ethernet address we > saw above for eth0. This line says that, to get to anything > in the network 216.195.16.0 with netmask 255.255.248.0, go > out eth0. That makes sense. That card is on that network. > > The next line, says that, to go anywhere in general (that's > what the 0.0.0.0 means) go through 216.195.16.1. That is another > machine on that same network, and represents the "gateway" machine > sitting somewhere in the cable company's office. > > Note that now my machine knows how to go anywhere. First it can > use the first line to get to that 216.195.16.0 network and second, > if it wants to go further, it can go to that specific gateway box > at 216.195.16.1, which it can find since it is on that 216.195.16.0 > network the first line tells us how to reach. > > (The U and UG says "up" (and running) and "up" as a "gateway".) > > Poke around now and see whether you can find any of these pieces > for starters and, for security/safety exit su when done :-) > > doug > > -- > Douglas R Waud > 17 Lantern Lane, Shrewsbury, MA, 01545-2006 > http://www.ummed.edu/pub/d/drw/ > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

April 12, 2001