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RE: [Wlug] X is freezing

by Keller, Tim

Baris, Are you using the nvidia driver (nv) supplied with Xfree86 or the nvidia supplied driver? Thanks, Tim. -----Original Message----- From: Baris Hasdemir [mailto:penguen@hasdemir.com] Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2003 7:58 PM To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org Subject: Re: [Wlug] X is freezing Gregory Avedissian wrote: > I get X lockups, too. But when it happens, nothing works. No mouse, no > keys, and I don't think I get increased cpu load. Only pressing the > reset button works. I'm pretty sure it's due to a flaky power supply > that puts out low voltages sometimes, and has on occasion rebooted > itself for no apparent reason. I'll know for sure in about a week, when > the new one arrives. > let me tell some more about the frozen state. when this strange thing happens I absolutely can move the mouse pointer. but nothing reacts when moved over, or clicked on. more, when connected from another machine thorugh ssh, even if I kill the application shown on the screen, although the application is killed. (even not in Z state) it is still shown on screen as if nothing has happened. it is more like a screenshot taken before the freeze. it seems like driver problem? would you think so? thanks, baris _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

July 29, 2003

Re: [Wlug] kernel choices in Debian

by Gregory Avedissian

Thanks. I should have guessed that I'll be looking forward to new and exciting challenges. Seems like a new install is a good time to learn about kernel upgrades. Greg brad wrote: > On Saturday 26 July 2003 16:40, Gregory Avedissian wrote: > >>I'm planning on wiping out my SuSE 7.2 installation and trying Debian >>3.0r0. The install manual says that kernel 2.2 is the default, and >>kernel 2.4 is an option. I can't find anywhere that says why I should >>choose one over the other. My SuSE is already using 2.4. Seems like it >>would be a step backward to install the default 2.2. Any ideas or >>suggestions? Thanks. >> > > Greg, > The option to use the 2.4 kernel is an option after the install is complete. > You must install the system, then once it is running upgrade the kernel > package to 2.4.x. Just some warning, I had some difficulty upgrading from 2.2 > to 2.4 on my system with the debian packages. > --brad > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > >

July 29, 2003

Re: [Wlug] X is freezing

by John Stoffel

Baris> When uptime reaches around three days, somehow a weird Baris> situation is happening. X usage suddenly jumps around 99% Baris> freezing the X environment. X seems to have frozen, but I can Baris> move the mouse pointer. Nothing else can be done. Baris> video card: creative tnt2ultra 2X Baris> video driver: nvidia I'd try getting rid of the Nvidia module and making sure that X works just fine without it. Sure you won't have acceleration, but you're looking for stability first, right? I'd also check and see if you have the correct kernel version for the nvidia driver your using. Any messages in the logs? Look in /var/log/messages, and think about turning on more verbose X logging. I can't find the file(s) to tweak in a quick search though. John

July 28, 2003

Re: [Wlug] kernel choices in Debian

by brad

On Saturday 26 July 2003 16:40, Gregory Avedissian wrote: > I'm planning on wiping out my SuSE 7.2 installation and trying Debian > 3.0r0. The install manual says that kernel 2.2 is the default, and > kernel 2.4 is an option. I can't find anywhere that says why I should > choose one over the other. My SuSE is already using 2.4. Seems like it > would be a step backward to install the default 2.2. Any ideas or > suggestions? Thanks. > Greg, The option to use the 2.4 kernel is an option after the install is complete. You must install the system, then once it is running upgrade the kernel package to 2.4.x. Just some warning, I had some difficulty upgrading from 2.2 to 2.4 on my system with the debian packages. --brad

July 28, 2003

Re: [Wlug] X is freezing

by Baris Hasdemir

Karl Hiramoto wrote: > I've had x lockups before in the past. Only thing that has solved it > was upgrading X to the latest and having a driver fixup fix the bug. > > I could ssh in from another box and kill -9 the X process. > > Are you running the latest version of X? unfortunately yes. penguen@penguen:~$ XFree86 -version XFree86 Version 4.3.0 Release Date: 27 February 2003 ...

July 28, 2003

Re: [Wlug] X is freezing

by Baris Hasdemir

Karl Hiramoto wrote: > I've had x lockups before in the past. Only thing that has solved it > was upgrading X to the latest and having a driver fixup fix the bug. > > I could ssh in from another box and kill -9 the X process. > > Are you running the latest version of X? unfortunately yes. penguen@penguen:~$ XFree86 -version XFree86 Version 4.3.0 Release Date: 27 February 2003 ...

July 28, 2003

Re: [Wlug] X is freezing

by Karl Hiramoto

I've had x lockups before in the past. Only thing that has solved it was upgrading X to the latest and having a driver fixup fix the bug. I could ssh in from another box and kill -9 the X process. Are you running the latest version of X? www.free86.org On Sun, 27 Jul 2003, Baris Hasdemir wrote: > Gregory Avedissian wrote: > > I get X lockups, too. But when it happens, nothing works. No mouse, no > > keys, and I don't think I get increased cpu load. Only pressing the > > reset button works. I'm pretty sure it's due to a flaky power supply > > that puts out low voltages sometimes, and has on occasion rebooted > > itself for no apparent reason. I'll know for sure in about a week, when > > the new one arrives. > > > > let me tell some more about the frozen state. when this strange thing > happens I absolutely can move the mouse pointer. but nothing reacts when > moved over, or clicked on. > > more, when connected from another machine thorugh ssh, even if I kill > the application shown on the screen, although the application is killed. > (even not in Z state) it is still shown on screen as if nothing has > happened. it is more like a screenshot taken before the freeze. > > it seems like driver problem? would you think so? > > thanks, > baris > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > -- ¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø Karl Hiramoto <karl(a)hiramoto.org> Work: 978-425-2090 ext 25 Cell: 508-517-4819 http://karl.hiramoto.org/ AOL IM ID = KarlH420 Yahoo_IM = karl_hiramoto ¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø History is the version of past events that people have decided to agree on. -- Napoleon Bonaparte, "Maxims"

July 28, 2003

Re: [Wlug] X is freezing

by Baris Hasdemir

Gregory Avedissian wrote: > I get X lockups, too. But when it happens, nothing works. No mouse, no > keys, and I don't think I get increased cpu load. Only pressing the > reset button works. I'm pretty sure it's due to a flaky power supply > that puts out low voltages sometimes, and has on occasion rebooted > itself for no apparent reason. I'll know for sure in about a week, when > the new one arrives. > let me tell some more about the frozen state. when this strange thing happens I absolutely can move the mouse pointer. but nothing reacts when moved over, or clicked on. more, when connected from another machine thorugh ssh, even if I kill the application shown on the screen, although the application is killed. (even not in Z state) it is still shown on screen as if nothing has happened. it is more like a screenshot taken before the freeze. it seems like driver problem? would you think so? thanks, baris

July 27, 2003

Re: [Wlug] X is freezing

by Baris Hasdemir

Adam Keck wrote: > Have you tried swapping the keyboard? Perhaps you have a flaky alt > key which eventually floods the Xserver with interrupts. > last week a whole glass of soda was spilled over my old keyboard ending with 4 dead keys. so I replaced it with a new keyboard. I don't think it's the keyboard. I had the problem then(before the spillage), and I still have it now. baris

July 27, 2003

Re: [Wlug] X is freezing

by Adam Keck

Have you tried swapping the keyboard? Perhaps you have a flaky alt key which eventually floods the Xserver with interrupts. -Adam On Sunday, July 27, 2003, at 03:27 PM, Baris Hasdemir wrote: > Hi, > > When uptime reaches around three days, somehow a weird situation is > happening. X usage suddenly jumps around 99% freezing the X > environment. X seems to have frozen, but I can move the mouse pointer. > Nothing else can be done. > > I log on to this machine from another one on the local area network > using ssh, and reboot it for a temporary solution. If I restart only > the X server, I believe it doesn't take that long to have the problem > again. a total reboot gives me another 2-3 days. > > as soon as it freezes, connecting to this machine from the other one, > I tried looking at the log files under /var/log several times. no > entry has been added to xfree log in the last 10-15 minutes. and the > files which have been modified in 15 minutes does not have any entries > relating to the situaion, at least to my knowledge. > > suspecting the ram of this partially new system, I checked my rams > with memtest-86-3.0. no problems are reported. > > suspecting the gdm, I tried without it as well. problem regenerates as > usual. > > I don't know whether it is related but, another strange issue I am > having is that: with or without gdm, sometime(not soon) after X login > "alt" key starts not functioning. for example, alt+shift cannot change > the keyboard layout or ctrl+alt+f{1-6} cannot take me to the consol > and of course I cannot kill the X server using ctrl+alt+backspace. > > motherboard: Asus A7N8X > cpu: AMD Athlon 2500+ > video card: creative tnt2ultra 2X > video driver: nvidia > distro: slackware 9.0 > ram: 512MB > swap: 256MB > > Do you have any ideas? where would you think I should start from? > > thank you, > baris > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

July 27, 2003