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Re: [Wlug] Re: Next Meeting?

by Andy Stewart

On Tuesday 02 September 2003 4:22 pm, Stephen C. Daukas wrote: > Is introducing yet-another-flavor-of-linux useful? I understand what > you are trying to achieve, but one of the first questions that came to > my mind was "what is the difference between Knoppix and a regular Linux > distro"? (The first was actually "what the hell is Knopix"!) Will it > be confusing to the people looking at is verusus what they see when they > look at SuSe, Red Hat, etc.? Hi Steve, OK, point taken. What if I were to demo the SuSE Live Eval CD instead? It is actually quite close to a fully installed SuSE distribution. Andy -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA USA http://www.wlug.org

Sept. 2, 2003

Re: [Wlug] Re: Next Meeting?

by Stephen C. Daukas

Is introducing yet-another-flavor-of-linux useful? I understand what you are trying to achieve, but one of the first questions that came to my mind was "what is the difference between Knoppix and a regular Linux distro"? (The first was actually "what the hell is Knopix"!) Will it be confusing to the people looking at is verusus what they see when they look at SuSe, Red Hat, etc.? Andy Stewart wrote: >On Monday 01 September 2003 4:52 pm, albutler33(a)netscape.net wrote: > > >>Andy, >> >>I think a great topic especially for the new students would be "Fast Track >>to Linux" where you introduce the GNOME and KDE desktops and a few of your >>favorite tools and utilities. >> >>Al Butler >> >> > >HI Al, > >My most current thoughts are centered on Linux, its origins, the GPL, >WLUG/WPILA, and then segue into single CD demo distributions for folks who >want to "kick the tires", as it were, without fully committing their hard >drives to Linux. > >One such single CD demo distribution is Knoppix, which does have KDE (and >GNOME?). Once Knoppix is running, many things could be demonstrated. If I >go with this idea, I'd want to have copies of the Knoppix CD available for >people to take home, and hopefully they would try it at their leisure. > >How does that sound? Do people have additional ideas? Let's hear them! :-) > >Later, > >Andy > > > > >>__________________________________________________________________ >>McAfee VirusScan Online from the Netscape Network. >>Comprehensive protection for your entire computer. Get your free trial >>today! >>http://channels.netscape.com/ns/computing/mcafee/index.jsp?promo=393397 >> >>Get AOL Instant Messenger 5.1 free of charge. Download Now! >>http://aim.aol.com/aimnew/Aim/register.adp?promo=380455 >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Wlug mailing list >>Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >>http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >> >> > > > -- Stephen C. Daukas - stephen(a)daukas.com - http://daukas.com/

Sept. 2, 2003

Re: [Wlug] Re: Next Meeting?

by Andy Stewart

On Wednesday 05 January 2000 11:09 pm, donald vitkus wrote: > > i agree since i get lost with linux > > HI Don, When you say that you get lost with Linux, to what precisely do you refer? I suspect you may be referring to the command line interface vs. the graphical interfaces like KDE and GNOME which bear many similarities to Windows. Later, Andy -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA USA http://www.wlug.org

Sept. 2, 2003

Re: [Wlug] Re: Next Meeting?

by Andy Stewart

On Monday 01 September 2003 4:52 pm, albutler33(a)netscape.net wrote: > Andy, > > I think a great topic especially for the new students would be "Fast Track > to Linux" where you introduce the GNOME and KDE desktops and a few of your > favorite tools and utilities. > > Al Butler HI Al, My most current thoughts are centered on Linux, its origins, the GPL, WLUG/WPILA, and then segue into single CD demo distributions for folks who want to "kick the tires", as it were, without fully committing their hard drives to Linux. One such single CD demo distribution is Knoppix, which does have KDE (and GNOME?). Once Knoppix is running, many things could be demonstrated. If I go with this idea, I'd want to have copies of the Knoppix CD available for people to take home, and hopefully they would try it at their leisure. How does that sound? Do people have additional ideas? Let's hear them! :-) Later, Andy > > __________________________________________________________________ > McAfee VirusScan Online from the Netscape Network. > Comprehensive protection for your entire computer. Get your free trial > today! > http://channels.netscape.com/ns/computing/mcafee/index.jsp?promo=393397 > > Get AOL Instant Messenger 5.1 free of charge. Download Now! > http://aim.aol.com/aimnew/Aim/register.adp?promo=380455 > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA USA http://www.wlug.org

Sept. 2, 2003

Re: Next Meeting?

by albutler33＠netscape.net

Andy, I think a great topic especially for the new students would be "Fast Track to Linux" where you introduce the GNOME and KDE desktops and a few of your favorite tools and utilities. Al Butler __________________________________________________________________ McAfee VirusScan Online from the Netscape Network. Comprehensive protection for your entire computer. Get your free trial today! http://channels.netscape.com/ns/computing/mcafee/index.jsp?promo=393397 Get AOL Instant Messenger 5.1 free of charge. Download Now! http://aim.aol.com/aimnew/Aim/register.adp?promo=380455

Sept. 1, 2003

fun, scary...

by Mike Peckar

http://www.malevole.com/mv/misc/killerquiz/ Mike

Sept. 1, 2003

Re: [Wlug] Crypto filesystem

by Andy Stewart

On Sunday 31 August 2003 6:24 pm, Chuck Homic wrote: > Does anyone have experience with an encrypted filesystem? I have a > notebook with a good chunk of confidential data, and although I would be > really pissed off if I lost it ($$$), I'd be even more pissed off not > knowing that my personal and corporate data may or may not have been > found. I use an encrypted file system. Its called the Cryptographic File System (cfs). I think its an older program, but it works well for me. Here's a pointer to a white paper: http://www.crypto.com/papers/cfs.pdf You can download it from the author's ftp site: ftp://ftp.research.att.com/dist/mab Later, Andy -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA USA http://www.wlug.org

Aug. 31, 2003

Crypto filesystem

by Chuck Homic

Does anyone have experience with an encrypted filesystem? I have a notebook with a good chunk of confidential data, and although I would be really pissed off if I lost it ($$$), I'd be even more pissed off not knowing that my personal and corporate data may or may not have been found. So if anyone knows the answers, I have some questions: 1. Is loop-aes the way to go? Sounds pretty simple and painless to me. 2. What's your opinion of the optimal security/CPU tradeoff? I have an 800ish MHz Crusoe. So, I'll play around and probably figure out the answers by myself, but if anyone can jumpstart me (such as "Don't use funkyfish128, because that can be easily exploited!") that would be appreciated. If anyone's interested, I'll report the results of my adventure when I know something. Thanks! -Chuck

Aug. 31, 2003

Re: [Wlug] Query regarding email applications...

by Stephen C. Daukas

The idea is to replicate everything the user currently uses. So, yes - addresses as well as email. Also, the school does not use an IMAP server, so we have to do something outside of the obvious. Most of these users are capable of getting into the technology and crafting something that works for them, but they have their lives to live and don't want to invest the time - essentially your typical technology end user. So, if I can show them something that is easy and doesn't take much effort, great! Otherwise, they'll keep doing what they already know how to do - Microsoft. mhughes(a)wpidalamar.com wrote: >you only want to move email? or addresses and everything else? If it's >only email the easiest thing to do is to set up an IMAP server. Then >connect to the imap server from your "source" client, copy your messages >to the server, log in to IMAP with your "destination" client and copy them >down. > >*OR* ... just always use an imap server and don't store your email on the >client. > >-Marc > >On Mon, 25 Aug 2003, Stephen C. Daukas wrote: > > > >>Hi all! >> >>I am currently using mozilla 1.3.1 and want to be able to move my email >>to other applications. I'd like to be able to move it to Netscape, >>Eudora, and yes, Outlook. The reason for this is to show my new >>department head why folks using different operating systems, say Linux, >>should be allowed to use different operating systems as well as >>different email applications. His only concern is "email compatibility". >> >>Now, once upon a time, it was really easy to move the files between >>Netscape and Eudora, for example. They both had simple files that >>contained the information (e.g., Eudora used to use .toc of the index, >>and .mbx for the actual email while Netscape use to use - well, I can't >>remember, but is was a similar flat file arrangement). >> >>So, I took a quick look at Eudora 5.1, and it looks like the familiar >>old setup. Mozilla 1.3.1 looks like it is using a database of some sort >>(.sdb?) and Netscape 7.1 looks, well, different from what I remember! >>In the good old days, I could figure this out in a few minutes and would >>have replicated my email across all of these apps! the last time I did >>this was about 3 years ago as a demonstration of the very same point. Sigh! >> >>So, I decided to see how the import capabilities look and, well, they >>don't play well, as far as I can tell. Outlook and Eudora have no idea >>about Mozilla, and it doesn't look like Netscape does either. >> >>The point to all this is the following question: >> >>I have a boss who is predisposed to setting up Linux for those in his >>department who are interested (he might be as well). He wants to be >>able to "import & export" between Outlook and whatever on whatever. Is >>there a way to show him that he can have his cake and eat it too, either >>by moving files, or by using more than one email application as an >>intermediary (e.g., Mozilla -> Outlook Express -> Eudora)? >> >>Steve >> >>-- >>Stephen C. Daukas - stephen(a)daukas.com - http://daukas.com/ >> >> >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Wlug mailing list >>Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >>http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >> >> >> >> >> > >_______________________________________________ >Wlug mailing list >Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > > -- Stephen C. Daukas - stephen(a)daukas.com - http://daukas.com/

Aug. 30, 2003

Re: [Wlug] ssh woes followup

by mhughes＠wpidalamar.com

nothing out of the ordinary. I'll get a disconnect message when I kill the scp process... but if I don't kill it, it just sits around for at least 1/2 hour. On Fri, 29 Aug 2003, Karl Hiramoto wrote: > > Is there anything showing up in /var/log/messages ? > > On Fri, 29 Aug 2003 mhughes(a)wpidalamar.com wrote: > > > > > > > On Thu, 28 Aug 2003, Matt Higgins wrote: > > > > > > It is possible you are running out of file descriptors. Running out of fd's > > > shows up in strange ways! Did you bounce ssh on both sides of the tunnel. More > > > importantly on the receiving end ;). Try running ssh/scp with the -v flag set, > > > it may give you some good info. Run tcpdump .. are you dropping a ton of > > > packets? Do a simple ping to see if there is packet loss? Do a ifconfig are > > > there a ton of errs on the interface you are leaving on/ receiving from? > > > > > > If you see you are dropping a lot of packets but there are no interface err's > > > you can encourage the person that admins the VPN to check it out! > > > > > > > > > Matt > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Wlug mailing list > > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > > > > > > > > > > I tried bouncing ssh at both ends... even doing a kill of all the > > processes of both ssh and sshd at both ends. > > > > scp -v doesn't show any weirdness. > > > > Ping works well, there's not an abnormal amount of errors in ifconfig. > > > > Is the open file limit system wide, or user specific? Mine's set for > > 4096, I've tried killing off a bunch of rarely used services on both > > machines to get the file count down. > > > > Now... this morning I'm noticing I can scp from the remote machine to the > > local machine, but not the other way around. In other words, from the > > remote machine, this works: > > scp qaddonline hughesm(a)10.1.0.19: > > But copying it back doesn't. > > scp hughesm@10.1.0.19:qaddonline . > > > > (qaddonline is about a 2 meg file) > > > > Also... from the local machine, iI can pull things down > > scp hughesm@10.21.2.184:qaddonline . > > but not push things up > > scp qaddonline hughesm(a)10.21.2.184: > > > > This didn't work last night. > > > > I can also now send small files (I tried one less than 1k) fine. > > > > I'd also like to add there's 2 machines in the remote facility that both > > have identical behavior. So I'm thinking it's either the link or my local > > machine. > > > > I'm no tcpdump expert, and both these machines have a good deal of > > traffic. What's an easy way to see if packets are getting dropped? > > (yeah, I suck at tcpdump filters). > > > > Any other ideas on things to look for? > > -Marc > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wlug mailing list > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > -- > > ¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø > Karl Hiramoto <karl(a)hiramoto.org> > Work: 978-425-2090 ext 25 > Cell: 508-517-4819 > http://karl.hiramoto.org/ > AOL IM ID = KarlH420 Yahoo_IM = karl_hiramoto > ¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø > > To iterate is human, to recurse, divine. > -- Robert Heller > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > >

Aug. 29, 2003