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Re: printers and wlug mail list behavior

by Chuck Anderson

On Tue, Mar 14, 2023 at 02:09:02PM -0400, Keith Wright via WLUG wrote: > Now my questions are about the wlug.org mail server. > > Where is it? Is somebody in wlug paying for it? > Who owns it? Who has privilege to tweak it? > Who installs the OS? Through the generous support of https://mailman3.com/ and Danil Smirnov, we have free use of their Mailman 3 server. Tim and I can manage the Mailman settings via the web interface. We do not have OS or shell-level access. > > From: Doug Mildram via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> > > > > Our list server has that quirk, such that when you > > post a new item OR reply, everyone on the list except > > you gets a copy/email. I think. > > I don't know why you think that. > > It did not work like that in the past, and other > mailing lists to which I subscribe do not do that. There is a setting that controls this. I don't know if the setting on your account was accidentally changed recently, or for the list server as a whole changed. Postorius (the web interface) is running 1.3.9b1, which appears to be a beta release, so it could be a bug or unintentional setting change. This is the setting: Receive own postings Yes No Ordinarily, you will get a copy of every message you post to the list. If you don't want to receive this copy, set this option to No. If you never created a login account on wlug.mailman3.com, you can find the instructions and links here on our website: http://www.wlug.org/participate.html Mailing List and Web Forum WLUG has a combined mailing list/web forum for general discussion by WLUG members, meeting announcements, ideas for future topics, help and support, etc. Anyone is welcome to join, whether you have come to a meeting or not. Signup for a new account in order to change your settings and participate in the online Web Forum: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ Join the Mailing List/Web Forum: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ View the archives and participate via the Web Forum: https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/ > So a system of cables and computers running with GHz clocks > took about 5hrs to archive a few hundred bytes. > (Assuming the archive is in Eastern Standard Time.) Stuff happens. Maybe Mailman3.com did an upgrade to the latest beta version? Mailman Core Version GNU Mailman 3.3.9b1 (Tom Sawyer) Mailman Core API Version 3.1 Mailman Core Python Version 3.10.10 (main, Feb 9 2023, 02:08:14) [GCC 12.2.1 20220924] > I don't know exactly how long it took to deliver it to > you, but this is in the headers of the message I > finally got back: > > Received: from [172.22.0.5] > (wlugmailman3com_mailman-core_1.wlugmailman3com_default [172.22.0.5]) > by host.mailman3.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8EBB21747165; > Sat, 11 Mar 2023 09:59:38 +0000 (UTC) > > The day after it hit the archive. I can't find that ESMTP id 8EBB21747165, but I received a message around the same time that shows Received: headers in different timezones. There was a 10 hour and 12 minute delay inside the mailman3.com system, between these two Received: headers: Received: from [172.22.0.5] (wlugmailman3com_mailman-core_1.wlugmailman3com_default [172.22.0.5]) by host.mailman3.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1BFC8174716F; Sat, 11 Mar 2023 09:59:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: from dsl.keithdiane.us (dsl.keithdiane.us [66.92.74.188]) by host.mailman3.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54AD6174714F for <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org>; Fri, 10 Mar 2023 23:47:34 +0000 (UTC) And a 22 second delay between Keith's machine sending the message and host.mailman3.com receiving it, alhtough this could be clock skew. Keith, is your clock correct to the second on this system? Or do you only have a MHz speed system and a slow DSL line? Received: from fcs22.keithdiane.us (fcs22.keithdiane.us [192.168.1.121]) by fcs19.keithdiane.us (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21F2B218376; Fri, 10 Mar 2023 18:47:12 -0500 (EST) > > See https://wiki.list.org/x/4030680 > > > > Sincerely, > > Danil Smirnov > > That links to a bug/feature report on gmail.com. > I don't use gmail, does wlug? No. That appears to be a separate issue that may affect Doug.

March 14, 2023

Re: wlug mail list behavior

by Doug Mildram

I now believe, after reading the link Danil sent (thx!) ...that Gmail does prevent me from getting an email copy of every post I send (unless I Bcc myself). I'm not chatty on the few other forums I subscribe to, so I'd have never guessed. Just like the new car I bought: too darn smart, but I surrender! Doug On Tue, Mar 14, 2023, 2:13 PM Keith Wright via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > >> Our list server has that quirk, such that when you > >> post a new item OR reply, everyone on the list except > >> you gets a copy/email. I think. > > > > I don't know why you think that. > > > > It did not work like that in the past, and other > > mailing lists to which I subscribe do not do that. > > This time my message came back to me in 41 seconds. > > -- Keith > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/NGNTZ… >

March 14, 2023

Re: wlug mail list behavior

by Keith Wright

>> Our list server has that quirk, such that when you >> post a new item OR reply, everyone on the list except >> you gets a copy/email. I think. > > I don't know why you think that. > > It did not work like that in the past, and other > mailing lists to which I subscribe do not do that. This time my message came back to me in 41 seconds. -- Keith

March 14, 2023

printers and wlug mail list behavior

by Keith Wright

John Stoffel via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > So Keith, > Now we're waiting for *you* to reply that you got emails back from the > list on printer suggestions. :-) > > John Sorry, I got busy with stayin' alive. > I really like Brother printers, especially the laser ones. Thanks for the good advice. > I just saw (and answered!) your previous email. > Let me know if you still have questions. Now my questions are about the wlug.org mail server. Where is it? Is somebody in wlug paying for it? Who owns it? Who has privilege to tweak it? Who installs the OS? > From: Doug Mildram via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> > > Our list server has that quirk, such that when you > post a new item OR reply, everyone on the list except > you gets a copy/email. I think. I don't know why you think that. It did not work like that in the past, and other mailing lists to which I subscribe do not do that. > Also.... you can check the "archive". I never did that before. I have copies (at least I think I do) of all old mails on my own computers. But I did it yesterday and... The wlug.mailman3.com archive shows my post as Keith Wright 10 Mar 3:54 a.m. My own mail server log says: Mar 9 22:55:33 fcs19 postfix/smtp[19217]: A95CA218375: to=<wlug(a)lists.wlug.org>, relay=wlug.mailman3.com[144.76.103.132], delay=37, status=sent (250 2.0.0 Ok: queued as C75301747122) So a system of cables and computers running with GHz clocks took about 5hrs to archive a few hundred bytes. (Assuming the archive is in Eastern Standard Time.) I don't know exactly how long it took to deliver it to you, but this is in the headers of the message I finally got back: Received: from [172.22.0.5] (wlugmailman3com_mailman-core_1.wlugmailman3com_default [172.22.0.5]) by host.mailman3.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8EBB21747165; Sat, 11 Mar 2023 09:59:38 +0000 (UTC) The day after it hit the archive. > Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2023 21:26:35 +0200 > To: "Worcester Linux Users' Group General Discussion" <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> > Subject: [WLUG] Re: (list behavior) > From: Danil Smirnov via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> > > See https://wiki.list.org/x/4030680 > > Sincerely, > Danil Smirnov That links to a bug/feature report on gmail.com. I don't use gmail, does wlug? > From: Doug Mildram <dmildram(a)gmail.com> > Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2023 14:26:23 -0500 > Subject: Printer/laser > > Toner cartridge is cheap enough. > What model hp has discontinued them? > With all the 3rd party toner providers, > I'd be shocked to learn you're right. It's a LaserJet 5MP. Feel free to tell me where I can get a new toner cartridge. I recently bought one from a re-seller, but it turned out to be about a decade past its expiration date and worse than the old one I had. -- Keith

March 14, 2023

Re: Next Meeting

by John Stoffel

So Keith, Now we're waiting for *you* to reply that you got emails back from the list on printer suggestions. :-) John

March 13, 2023

Re: (list behavior)

by Danil Smirnov

Hi Doug, See https://wiki.list.org/x/4030680 Sincerely, Danil Smirnov On Sat, Mar 11, 2023 at 9:20 PM Doug Mildram via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > Our list server has that quirk, such that > when you post a new item OR reply, > everyone on the list except you > gets a copy/email. I think. > > Probably? the code/coder decided > that you'll know what you sent, and > that you have faith in the list server. > Also.... you can check the "archive". > > Correct me if I'm wrong, anyone! > You did say: usually you get your own > copy/email usually, so it seems a debate. > > I wouldn't know if tweaking the config > to be more giving is an option. > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/QFH7L… >

March 11, 2023

Re: (list behavior)

by Doug Mildram

Our list server has that quirk, such that when you post a new item OR reply, everyone on the list except you gets a copy/email. I think. Probably? the code/coder decided that you'll know what you sent, and that you have faith in the list server. Also.... you can check the "archive". Correct me if I'm wrong, anyone! You did say: usually you get your own copy/email usually, so it seems a debate. I wouldn't know if tweaking the config to be more giving is an option.

March 11, 2023

Re: Next Meeting

by John Stoffel

>>>>> "Keith" == Keith Wright via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > Keith Wright <kwright(a)keithdiane.us> writes: >> Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: >> >>> I'm thinking of moving the next meeting to Thursday of next week since we >>> just had a meeting. >>> >>> Any objections? >> >> Not here. All days are much the same to me. > This is a test. I answered this question yesterday and > asked one of my own. It was sent to the list, but did > not come back to me as it usually does. > Maybe Microsoft or Amazon didn't like the link I included. > Does it work this time? I just saw (and answered!) your previous email. Let me know if you still have questions.

March 11, 2023

Re: Next Meeting

by John Stoffel

>>>>> "Keith" == Keith Wright via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: >> I'm thinking of moving the next meeting to Thursday of next week since we >> just had a meeting. >> >> Any objections? > Not here. All days are much the same to me. > But you remind me that I have been meaning to > ask a question of the WLUG: Does anybody have > thoughts on Linux-compatible printers? I really like Brother printers, especially the laser ones. My last one lasted 14+ years before I replaced it with another Brother printer. I now have an MFC-L2750DW (duplexing, scanning (though NOT duplex scanning with the ADF (Automatic Document Feeder) using gscan2pdf, you have to flip them by hand) and it's working out well. Ethernet, wifi, latest PostSCript 4 drivers from Brother, etc. Works well. > Here is a block diagram of my network > http://www.free-comp-shop.com/none/wireless.html#diagram > Here is a sample of the kind of things I print > http://www.free-comp-shop.com/texscm.html All should work just find with this sucker.

March 11, 2023

Re: Next Meeting

by Keith Wright

Keith Wright <kwright(a)keithdiane.us> writes: > Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > >> I'm thinking of moving the next meeting to Thursday of next week since we >> just had a meeting. >> >> Any objections? > > Not here. All days are much the same to me. This is a test. I answered this question yesterday and asked one of my own. It was sent to the list, but did not come back to me as it usually does. Maybe Microsoft or Amazon didn't like the link I included. Does it work this time? -- Keith

March 10, 2023