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Re: [Wlug] UEFI Blues

by John Stoffel

Gary> Yeah, I should know better. I was beat up and frustrated at the time. Gary> Sorry. Been there! :-) Gary> The root of my problem was that I couldn't find any options in Gary> the BIOS to manipulate the Secure Boot/UEFI/Legacy stuff. Gary> However, I found them this morning after I selected an option Gary> that I assumed to be unrelated which unlocked them. Thank you, Gary> Gigabyte. Gigabyte is usually a good bet, but I'm sure the crack monkeys who write the firmware and setup the menus weren't thinking well that day. Gary> So I'm making progress now but I'm still not out of the woods Gary> yet. I've got Windows installed with space partitioned for LM Gary> but now I'm working on getting the installer to recognize the Gary> Windows partition. It thinks I have the entire disk available. Gary> Damn. Keep digging.... You're talking about the MINT installer, right? In any case, I think you need to make sure that you boot into Win10, shrink the C:\ drive and leave free space on the disk. The in the mint installer you need to select the custom disk partitioning scheme, since you need to find and select the space by hand. Gary> Thanks for the BLOG link. Looks interesting. I'll check it out. It is interestingm, though I suspect not directly applicable in this case. You're closer now, which is good! Gary> On 03/25/2016 09:54 AM, John Stoffel wrote: Gary> I used to build PCs for myself, family and friends as a side Gary> hobby many moons back but as it became more of a headache I fell Gary> out of it for the most part. But recently I decided to replace Gary> the PC I have had since 2007 even though it was working fine for Gary> my needs. I really wanted an SSD drive, USB 3.0 and less power Gary> consumption. >> Gary> So all the headaches immediately returned and I remembered why I don't Gary> like to build these any more. >> Gary> I was able to get the hardware issues I encountered resolved, Gary> but them I was hit with the UEFI problem when trying to install Gary> and dual-boot Windows 10 and Linux Mint. >> >> You really really really need to give more details here, otherwise no >> one will be able to help you. >> >> For example, can you install and boot linux Mint by itself without any >> problems on this board? >> >> I assume you can do the same with Windows 10 as well, right? >> >> So did you install Win10 first, then shrink it and install the new >> bootloader to let you choose between Win10 and Mint? But it broke >> both I suspect. >> Gary> I'm finding lots of help pages but none have worked for Gary> me. Maybe because I have a newer MB (Gigabyte GA-Z170MX with an Gary> Intel I5 6400). >> Gary> So I wonder without burdening anyone for specific instructions, Gary> can anyone provide any general thoughts or guidelines regarding Gary> UEFI, Windows 10 and Linux? >> >> Check with your vendor for an updated BIOS. Some have bugs where they >> have locked things down too much, and don't provide a good way around >> it as I recall. Haven't had to make this leap myself yet... >> Gary> I'm thinking it might be impossible to dual-boot with my setup but I Gary> hope not. >> >> Can't tell really, since you don't give any details. I'd say it's >> possible, but you might need to tweak your UEFI BIOS to allow >> non-signed keys to boot. >> >> Have you looked at ...uum.... Mathew Wilcox? He's the Linux EUFI >> maintainer and has a blog out there on stuff like this. Oh wait, it's >> Mathew Garret. Take a look at his blog: >> >> https://mjg59.dreamwidth.org >> >> It might have some pointers. >> >> >> But please, more details would help us help you. >> >> John >> _______________________________________________ >> Wlug mailing list >> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >> Gary> _______________________________________________ Gary> Wlug mailing list Gary> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org Gary> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

March 25, 2016

Re: [Wlug] UEFI Blues

by Gary Hanley

Yes, I have that disabled now. Windows installed first. On 03/25/2016 10:15 AM, Randall Mason wrote: > You have turned off secure boot, right? Which OS is working right > now? Can you run grub manually from the UEFI prompt? Can you get to > the UEFI prompt? Are you trying to install Windows second after a > successful Linux install? > > Randall Mason > clashthebunny(a)gmail.com <mailto:clashthebunny@gmail.com> > > On Fri, Mar 25, 2016 at 9:10 AM, Richard Klein <rich(a)richardklein.org > <mailto:rich@richardklein.org>> wrote: > > Have you considered picking one OS, then running the other in a > virtual machine? > > On Fri, Mar 25, 2016 at 9:54 AM, John Stoffel <john(a)stoffel.org > <mailto:john@stoffel.org>> wrote: > > > Gary> I used to build PCs for myself, family and friends as a side > Gary> hobby many moons back but as it became more of a > headache I fell > Gary> out of it for the most part. But recently I decided to > replace > Gary> the PC I have had since 2007 even though it was working > fine for > Gary> my needs. I really wanted an SSD drive, USB 3.0 and less > power > Gary> consumption. > > Gary> So all the headaches immediately returned and I > remembered why I don't > Gary> like to build these any more. > > Gary> I was able to get the hardware issues I encountered > resolved, > Gary> but them I was hit with the UEFI problem when trying to > install > Gary> and dual-boot Windows 10 and Linux Mint. > > You really really really need to give more details here, > otherwise no > one will be able to help you. > > For example, can you install and boot linux Mint by itself > without any > problems on this board? > > I assume you can do the same with Windows 10 as well, right? > > So did you install Win10 first, then shrink it and install the new > bootloader to let you choose between Win10 and Mint? But it broke > both I suspect. > > Gary> I'm finding lots of help pages but none have worked for > Gary> me. Maybe because I have a newer MB (Gigabyte GA-Z170MX > with an > Gary> Intel I5 6400). > > Gary> So I wonder without burdening anyone for specific > instructions, > Gary> can anyone provide any general thoughts or guidelines > regarding > Gary> UEFI, Windows 10 and Linux? > > Check with your vendor for an updated BIOS. Some have bugs > where they > have locked things down too much, and don't provide a good way > around > it as I recall. Haven't had to make this leap myself yet... > > Gary> I'm thinking it might be impossible to dual-boot with my > setup but I > Gary> hope not. > > Can't tell really, since you don't give any details. I'd say it's > possible, but you might need to tweak your UEFI BIOS to allow > non-signed keys to boot. > > Have you looked at ...uum.... Mathew Wilcox? He's the Linux EUFI > maintainer and has a blog out there on stuff like this. Oh > wait, it's > Mathew Garret. Take a look at his blog: > > https://mjg59.dreamwidth.org > > It might have some pointers. > > > But please, more details would help us help you. > > John > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org <mailto:Wlug@mail.wlug.org> > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org <mailto:Wlug@mail.wlug.org> > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

March 25, 2016

Re: [Wlug] UEFI Blues

by Gary Hanley

That might be an option if I'm not able to get them installed the way I prefer. On 03/25/2016 10:10 AM, Richard Klein wrote: > Have you considered picking one OS, then running the other in a > virtual machine? > > On Fri, Mar 25, 2016 at 9:54 AM, John Stoffel <john(a)stoffel.org > <mailto:john@stoffel.org>> wrote: > > > Gary> I used to build PCs for myself, family and friends as a side > Gary> hobby many moons back but as it became more of a headache I fell > Gary> out of it for the most part. But recently I decided to replace > Gary> the PC I have had since 2007 even though it was working fine for > Gary> my needs. I really wanted an SSD drive, USB 3.0 and less power > Gary> consumption. > > Gary> So all the headaches immediately returned and I remembered > why I don't > Gary> like to build these any more. > > Gary> I was able to get the hardware issues I encountered resolved, > Gary> but them I was hit with the UEFI problem when trying to install > Gary> and dual-boot Windows 10 and Linux Mint. > > You really really really need to give more details here, otherwise no > one will be able to help you. > > For example, can you install and boot linux Mint by itself without any > problems on this board? > > I assume you can do the same with Windows 10 as well, right? > > So did you install Win10 first, then shrink it and install the new > bootloader to let you choose between Win10 and Mint? But it broke > both I suspect. > > Gary> I'm finding lots of help pages but none have worked for > Gary> me. Maybe because I have a newer MB (Gigabyte GA-Z170MX with an > Gary> Intel I5 6400). > > Gary> So I wonder without burdening anyone for specific instructions, > Gary> can anyone provide any general thoughts or guidelines regarding > Gary> UEFI, Windows 10 and Linux? > > Check with your vendor for an updated BIOS. Some have bugs where they > have locked things down too much, and don't provide a good way around > it as I recall. Haven't had to make this leap myself yet... > > Gary> I'm thinking it might be impossible to dual-boot with my > setup but I > Gary> hope not. > > Can't tell really, since you don't give any details. I'd say it's > possible, but you might need to tweak your UEFI BIOS to allow > non-signed keys to boot. > > Have you looked at ...uum.... Mathew Wilcox? He's the Linux EUFI > maintainer and has a blog out there on stuff like this. Oh wait, it's > Mathew Garret. Take a look at his blog: > > https://mjg59.dreamwidth.org > > It might have some pointers. > > > But please, more details would help us help you. > > John > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org <mailto:Wlug@mail.wlug.org> > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

March 25, 2016

Re: [Wlug] UEFI Blues

by Gary Hanley

Yeah, I should know better. I was beat up and frustrated at the time. Sorry. The root of my problem was that I couldn't find any options in the BIOS to manipulate the Secure Boot/UEFI/Legacy stuff. However, I found them this morning after I selected an option that I assumed to be unrelated which unlocked them. Thank you, Gigabyte. So I'm making progress now but I'm still not out of the woods yet. I've got Windows installed with space partitioned for LM but now I'm working on getting the installer to recognize the Windows partition. It thinks I have the entire disk available. Damn. Keep digging.... Thanks for the BLOG link. Looks interesting. I'll check it out. On 03/25/2016 09:54 AM, John Stoffel wrote: > Gary> I used to build PCs for myself, family and friends as a side > Gary> hobby many moons back but as it became more of a headache I fell > Gary> out of it for the most part. But recently I decided to replace > Gary> the PC I have had since 2007 even though it was working fine for > Gary> my needs. I really wanted an SSD drive, USB 3.0 and less power > Gary> consumption. > > Gary> So all the headaches immediately returned and I remembered why I don't > Gary> like to build these any more. > > Gary> I was able to get the hardware issues I encountered resolved, > Gary> but them I was hit with the UEFI problem when trying to install > Gary> and dual-boot Windows 10 and Linux Mint. > > You really really really need to give more details here, otherwise no > one will be able to help you. > > For example, can you install and boot linux Mint by itself without any > problems on this board? > > I assume you can do the same with Windows 10 as well, right? > > So did you install Win10 first, then shrink it and install the new > bootloader to let you choose between Win10 and Mint? But it broke > both I suspect. > > Gary> I'm finding lots of help pages but none have worked for > Gary> me. Maybe because I have a newer MB (Gigabyte GA-Z170MX with an > Gary> Intel I5 6400). > > Gary> So I wonder without burdening anyone for specific instructions, > Gary> can anyone provide any general thoughts or guidelines regarding > Gary> UEFI, Windows 10 and Linux? > > Check with your vendor for an updated BIOS. Some have bugs where they > have locked things down too much, and don't provide a good way around > it as I recall. Haven't had to make this leap myself yet... > > Gary> I'm thinking it might be impossible to dual-boot with my setup but I > Gary> hope not. > > Can't tell really, since you don't give any details. I'd say it's > possible, but you might need to tweak your UEFI BIOS to allow > non-signed keys to boot. > > Have you looked at ...uum.... Mathew Wilcox? He's the Linux EUFI > maintainer and has a blog out there on stuff like this. Oh wait, it's > Mathew Garret. Take a look at his blog: > > https://mjg59.dreamwidth.org > > It might have some pointers. > > > But please, more details would help us help you. > > John > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

March 25, 2016

Re: [Wlug] UEFI Blues

by Randall Mason

You have turned off secure boot, right? Which OS is working right now? Can you run grub manually from the UEFI prompt? Can you get to the UEFI prompt? Are you trying to install Windows second after a successful Linux install? Randall Mason clashthebunny(a)gmail.com On Fri, Mar 25, 2016 at 9:10 AM, Richard Klein <rich(a)richardklein.org> wrote: > Have you considered picking one OS, then running the other in a virtual > machine? > > On Fri, Mar 25, 2016 at 9:54 AM, John Stoffel <john(a)stoffel.org> wrote: > >> >> Gary> I used to build PCs for myself, family and friends as a side >> Gary> hobby many moons back but as it became more of a headache I fell >> Gary> out of it for the most part. But recently I decided to replace >> Gary> the PC I have had since 2007 even though it was working fine for >> Gary> my needs. I really wanted an SSD drive, USB 3.0 and less power >> Gary> consumption. >> >> Gary> So all the headaches immediately returned and I remembered why I >> don't >> Gary> like to build these any more. >> >> Gary> I was able to get the hardware issues I encountered resolved, >> Gary> but them I was hit with the UEFI problem when trying to install >> Gary> and dual-boot Windows 10 and Linux Mint. >> >> You really really really need to give more details here, otherwise no >> one will be able to help you. >> >> For example, can you install and boot linux Mint by itself without any >> problems on this board? >> >> I assume you can do the same with Windows 10 as well, right? >> >> So did you install Win10 first, then shrink it and install the new >> bootloader to let you choose between Win10 and Mint? But it broke >> both I suspect. >> >> Gary> I'm finding lots of help pages but none have worked for >> Gary> me. Maybe because I have a newer MB (Gigabyte GA-Z170MX with an >> Gary> Intel I5 6400). >> >> Gary> So I wonder without burdening anyone for specific instructions, >> Gary> can anyone provide any general thoughts or guidelines regarding >> Gary> UEFI, Windows 10 and Linux? >> >> Check with your vendor for an updated BIOS. Some have bugs where they >> have locked things down too much, and don't provide a good way around >> it as I recall. Haven't had to make this leap myself yet... >> >> Gary> I'm thinking it might be impossible to dual-boot with my setup but I >> Gary> hope not. >> >> Can't tell really, since you don't give any details. I'd say it's >> possible, but you might need to tweak your UEFI BIOS to allow >> non-signed keys to boot. >> >> Have you looked at ...uum.... Mathew Wilcox? He's the Linux EUFI >> maintainer and has a blog out there on stuff like this. Oh wait, it's >> Mathew Garret. Take a look at his blog: >> >> https://mjg59.dreamwidth.org >> >> It might have some pointers. >> >> >> But please, more details would help us help you. >> >> John >> _______________________________________________ >> Wlug mailing list >> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > >

March 25, 2016

Re: [Wlug] UEFI Blues

by Richard Klein

Have you considered picking one OS, then running the other in a virtual machine? On Fri, Mar 25, 2016 at 9:54 AM, John Stoffel <john(a)stoffel.org> wrote: > > Gary> I used to build PCs for myself, family and friends as a side > Gary> hobby many moons back but as it became more of a headache I fell > Gary> out of it for the most part. But recently I decided to replace > Gary> the PC I have had since 2007 even though it was working fine for > Gary> my needs. I really wanted an SSD drive, USB 3.0 and less power > Gary> consumption. > > Gary> So all the headaches immediately returned and I remembered why I > don't > Gary> like to build these any more. > > Gary> I was able to get the hardware issues I encountered resolved, > Gary> but them I was hit with the UEFI problem when trying to install > Gary> and dual-boot Windows 10 and Linux Mint. > > You really really really need to give more details here, otherwise no > one will be able to help you. > > For example, can you install and boot linux Mint by itself without any > problems on this board? > > I assume you can do the same with Windows 10 as well, right? > > So did you install Win10 first, then shrink it and install the new > bootloader to let you choose between Win10 and Mint? But it broke > both I suspect. > > Gary> I'm finding lots of help pages but none have worked for > Gary> me. Maybe because I have a newer MB (Gigabyte GA-Z170MX with an > Gary> Intel I5 6400). > > Gary> So I wonder without burdening anyone for specific instructions, > Gary> can anyone provide any general thoughts or guidelines regarding > Gary> UEFI, Windows 10 and Linux? > > Check with your vendor for an updated BIOS. Some have bugs where they > have locked things down too much, and don't provide a good way around > it as I recall. Haven't had to make this leap myself yet... > > Gary> I'm thinking it might be impossible to dual-boot with my setup but I > Gary> hope not. > > Can't tell really, since you don't give any details. I'd say it's > possible, but you might need to tweak your UEFI BIOS to allow > non-signed keys to boot. > > Have you looked at ...uum.... Mathew Wilcox? He's the Linux EUFI > maintainer and has a blog out there on stuff like this. Oh wait, it's > Mathew Garret. Take a look at his blog: > > https://mjg59.dreamwidth.org > > It might have some pointers. > > > But please, more details would help us help you. > > John > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

March 25, 2016

Re: [Wlug] UEFI Blues

by John Stoffel

Gary> I used to build PCs for myself, family and friends as a side Gary> hobby many moons back but as it became more of a headache I fell Gary> out of it for the most part. But recently I decided to replace Gary> the PC I have had since 2007 even though it was working fine for Gary> my needs. I really wanted an SSD drive, USB 3.0 and less power Gary> consumption. Gary> So all the headaches immediately returned and I remembered why I don't Gary> like to build these any more. Gary> I was able to get the hardware issues I encountered resolved, Gary> but them I was hit with the UEFI problem when trying to install Gary> and dual-boot Windows 10 and Linux Mint. You really really really need to give more details here, otherwise no one will be able to help you. For example, can you install and boot linux Mint by itself without any problems on this board? I assume you can do the same with Windows 10 as well, right? So did you install Win10 first, then shrink it and install the new bootloader to let you choose between Win10 and Mint? But it broke both I suspect. Gary> I'm finding lots of help pages but none have worked for Gary> me. Maybe because I have a newer MB (Gigabyte GA-Z170MX with an Gary> Intel I5 6400). Gary> So I wonder without burdening anyone for specific instructions, Gary> can anyone provide any general thoughts or guidelines regarding Gary> UEFI, Windows 10 and Linux? Check with your vendor for an updated BIOS. Some have bugs where they have locked things down too much, and don't provide a good way around it as I recall. Haven't had to make this leap myself yet... Gary> I'm thinking it might be impossible to dual-boot with my setup but I Gary> hope not. Can't tell really, since you don't give any details. I'd say it's possible, but you might need to tweak your UEFI BIOS to allow non-signed keys to boot. Have you looked at ...uum.... Mathew Wilcox? He's the Linux EUFI maintainer and has a blog out there on stuff like this. Oh wait, it's Mathew Garret. Take a look at his blog: https://mjg59.dreamwidth.org It might have some pointers. But please, more details would help us help you. John

March 25, 2016

UEFI Blues

by Gary Hanley

I used to build PCs for myself, family and friends as a side hobby many moons back but as it became more of a headache I fell out of it for the most part. But recently I decided to replace the PC I have had since 2007 even though it was working fine for my needs. I really wanted an SSD drive, USB 3.0 and less power consumption. So all the headaches immediately returned and I remembered why I don't like to build these any more. I was able to get the hardware issues I encountered resolved, but them I was hit with the UEFI problem when trying to install and dual-boot Windows 10 and Linux Mint. I'm finding lots of help pages but none have worked for me. Maybe because I have a newer MB (Gigabyte GA-Z170MX with an Intel I5 6400). So I wonder without burdening anyone for specific instructions, can anyone provide any general thoughts or guidelines regarding UEFI, Windows 10 and Linux? I'm thinking it might be impossible to dual-boot with my setup but I hope not. Any input would be greatly appreciated. Thanks! -- Gary

March 24, 2016

Re: [Wlug] Block-level remote file sync?

by Chris

Yes, that's exactly what I was thinking of. Thank you, Frank! I knew it was someone at WPI, sorry for mis-appropriating credit for your share ;) On 2016-03-23 20:54, Frank Sweetser wrote: > You're thinking of lsyncd: > > https://github.com/axkibe/lsyncd > > It's essentially a daemon that watches one or more directories via > inotify, and fires of incremental rsync processes whenever it sees > writes go by (though you can specify filters rather than a simple bit > for bit copy). It's basically a poor man's userspace RAID1. > > Frank Sweetser fs at wpi.edu | For every problem, there is a > solution that > Manager of Network Operations | is simple, elegant, and wrong. > Worcester Polytechnic Institute | - HL Mencken > > On 3/23/2016 8:50 PM, Chris wrote: >> Hi all, >> >> I recall someone giving a lightning talk on this quite a while ago >> (Chuck I think, about 2 years ago!). >> >> I was hoping to set up a simple backup solution with my son. He'd >> replicate his data to my system, mine to his. Now, the interesting >> part, >> was I think that the replication method someone used was a lazy write >> to >> the backup location with a folder watching process or something. I >> don't >> think I want to set up DRBD for this, but I would like an efficient >> backup operation (e.g. would be nice to be able to efficiently backup >> written chunks of a file with an EFS system on it). >> >> Might someone remember what I'm talking about, or have any >> suggestions? >> >> Thanks in advance! Hope you are all well. >> --Chris >> >> PS - LibrePlanet was pretty fun :) >> _______________________________________________ >> Wlug mailing list >> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >>

March 24, 2016

Re: [Wlug] Block-level remote file sync?

by Frank Sweetser

You're thinking of lsyncd: https://github.com/axkibe/lsyncd It's essentially a daemon that watches one or more directories via inotify, and fires of incremental rsync processes whenever it sees writes go by (though you can specify filters rather than a simple bit for bit copy). It's basically a poor man's userspace RAID1. Frank Sweetser fs at wpi.edu | For every problem, there is a solution that Manager of Network Operations | is simple, elegant, and wrong. Worcester Polytechnic Institute | - HL Mencken On 3/23/2016 8:50 PM, Chris wrote: > Hi all, > > I recall someone giving a lightning talk on this quite a while ago > (Chuck I think, about 2 years ago!). > > I was hoping to set up a simple backup solution with my son. He'd > replicate his data to my system, mine to his. Now, the interesting part, > was I think that the replication method someone used was a lazy write to > the backup location with a folder watching process or something. I don't > think I want to set up DRBD for this, but I would like an efficient > backup operation (e.g. would be nice to be able to efficiently backup > written chunks of a file with an EFS system on it). > > Might someone remember what I'm talking about, or have any suggestions? > > Thanks in advance! Hope you are all well. > --Chris > > PS - LibrePlanet was pretty fun :) > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

March 24, 2016