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Re: Reboot required questions

by dmildram＠gmail.com

I sent a longer reply an hour ago, but you've been temporarily spared (got a "await Moderator" email reply due to "Message contains administrivia", cool, what software is our forum on now/again? THANKS Moderator(s)). 2 new semi-concise/stage1 questions for OP/Ron: Q1: How old is computer, do you do backups, is your HardDisk still oldschool spinning platters? (if you still use an old(er) HD, I'd rethink the concept of nightly shutdown. Platter shaft grease gets old/hard -> sticky/striction HD ...may decide not to spin up someday. But a tiny hammer on the HD during powerup could revive...I'll never forget the day TWO of my NetApp HD's on a raid5 (ONE dead disk allowed to rebuild itself, not raid6 which can survive 2 dead disks. My server room had been powered off all night due to a bldg planned night of shutdown! And the backup robot my CA boss sent me, was failing to do sane backups for my MAss/work servers for past weeks on that NetApp. A revisit to server room with sm hammer, a few taps, got one stuck HD to spin, NetApp rebuilt the raid5 ! ) Q2: if "losing my personal files" is the biggest worry (shouldn't it be?), do you have your personal data on a 2nd disk of any speed, to augment an SSD for the OS ? Secondary worries of course include nuisance of having to reload OS+me if the Update Manager makes a giant mess, which (apparently never happens) || (...not to me, ever) long as linux auto-updates have existed in/on my dwindling beasts/zoo. OS magic/behind-scenes: I do believe on instinct that the Update temporary files are stashed to LOCAL HD so you can even do your finish-update bootUP with No Freaking Network up. Hope my aging gut remains right on that.

April 6, 2025

Re: Reboot required questions

by Doug Mildram

doug> I was gonna reply, but my desktop Linux rebooted - oops my bad..Drafts to the rescue. Guess why my desktop rebooted? I was messing around trying to peek at Quit options ........musta highlighted Shut Down. I caused my own black screen of reboot/death! Ha. But I had Mint/etc updates waiting. I ALWAYS have them waiting. (except just now/rebooted). Gory detail/thoughts on your Q?: I can't think of a reason to fea of your current favored Choice2 below: Choice1: "reboot required" --> shut down now. Fire up tomorrow. OS patches ...mmm, nothing eye catching in the list that pops up on GUI/Mint/MATE on behalf of UpdateManager (not SoftwareManager), the bugger that pesters me, adds popups 1x/day or such... ,,,As you sneak-away/ponder "ready to reboot/shutdown?" you wonder when you feel like peeking at the update list. Choice2, (via any method ...click,allow,bless your imminent death, via anything like GUI choice Quit->Shut Down which probably invokes something like "shutdown --?" couple flags like *-h* The same as *--poweroff*, but does not override the action to take if it is "halt". E.g. *shutdown --reboot -h *means "poweroff", but *shutdown --halt -h *means "halt". Oh, gory! Anyways, the answer seems (always?) dependent on time/patience. Pardon the tangent now, if you're here, I'm amazed: "poweroff" however that really works with "shutdown" or other trick, might vary....... motherboard/etc might get a signal and take a real nap.. If you have hard disks, not SD, beware a days-long sleep ...sticky platter shaft/bearing... (choice3) If I was feeing Totally Watchful, I'd reboot, watch...Log In, ...then Quit. Inevitably=-> "Log In", and boring.....see what Update Manager sees in its playpen. Debates,topics, questions could easily continue if interesting! ---the bottom line might be what's the processes(session, service?) of greatest interest for you on your (desktop)? I leave/let a 2010 Dell Opti w Mint 20.1 sleep on its own, SanDisk HD/root good since 2018/2019?. 500gb/disk1 (disk2 for "your data" helps for long life). CPU Fans still orig and quiet, a miracle! --doug On Sat, Apr 5, 2025 at 4:37 PM The Hammer via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > I usually run any updates on my Linux machine after I'm done using the > machine for the day. > > Sometimes the update the system says "reboot required" At that point I > close the active window. Hit restart, let the machine start up, reboot, > and then I sign in again before shutting down for the night. > > My question is: can I instead just shut down and wait until the next day > to start up the computer? > > (I've read on line that I need a "proper" shut down. With all the text > flashing at hyper speed I wonder if I do shut down or even start up > properly) > > Ron > > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/3GBTB… >

April 5, 2025

Re: Reboot required questions

by Robert Krawitz

On 4/5/25 16:36, The Hammer via WLUG wrote: > I usually run any updates on my Linux machine after I'm done using the machine for the day. > > Sometimes the update the system says "reboot required" At that point I close the active window. Hit > restart, let the machine start up, reboot, and then I sign in again before shutting down for the night. > > My question is: can I instead just shut down and wait until the next day to start up the computer? Yes, that has the same effect. The only caveat is if there's a problem with the update you won't spot it until the next day. > (I've read on line that I need a "proper" shut down. With all the text flashing at hyper speed I > wonder if I do shut down or even start up properly) If you're using the shutdown in GNOME/KDE/whatever, that's a "proper" shutdown.

April 5, 2025

Reboot required questions

by The Hammer

I usually run any updates on my Linux machine after I'm done using the machine for the day. Sometimes the update the system says "reboot required" At that point I close the active window. Hit restart, let the machine start up, reboot, and then I sign in again before shutting down for the night. My question is: can I instead just shut down and wait until the next day to start up the computer? (I've read on line that I need a "proper" shut down. With all the text flashing at hyper speed I wonder if I do shut down or even start up properly) Ron

April 5, 2025

pinning Icons in Gnome

by Kevin Stratton

I am using Ubuntu 24.0.X, which uses Gnome by default. Whenever I pin a .desktop icon to the dashboard, it is no longer visible when I browse through the apps. Is there a way to have an icon "pinned" to the dashboard and be visible in "show apps"? (the bottom left icon with three dots and three arcs in a circle that shows the available apps) My workaround for this is to copy the .desktop file to the desktop folder for items that I want conveniently available. Obviously, this is not the ideal.

April 3, 2025

Re: SanDisk Clip Sport Question

by William Grenache

I had one a while while back and I kept an old Dell laptop (Windows USB1?) just for charging - sadly one of the kids thought it was waterproof so I no longer have it. Hope that helps. Bill On Saturday, March 29, 2025 at 10:27:12 PM EDT, joel d via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: Circuit sounds very wonky. Hard power reset may get it back fully. They say 20 plus seconds of power button hold. Then release power button. Then hopefully power on normal. On March 29, 2025 9:16:46 PM The Hammer via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: Eric I did not see this until now. Somehow it was in my spam folder. Right now it ONLY plays when charging. Since I want this to listen in my car I bet I have a cigarette to USB adapter somewhere. This should work. Cool. On 3/29/25 10:56, Eric Martin wrote: Can it charge and play at the same time? If so a battery bank might be a hacky solution. If you’re looking to fix it; I’d recommend ifixit.com. Those are my two “easy” fix solutions. Cheers, Eric On Mar 29, 2025, at 10:44, The Hammer via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: Would anyone be knowledgeable? I have an old 8 GB SanDisk Clip Sport that I am trying to resurrect if it can be done easily. Yesterday I left it connected to my Linux Computer USB for two hours. The screen read "Low Battery" This morning, I plugged it into a house charger and left it charging for nearly three hours. The same "Low Battery' Screen appeared. If I hit the power button the MUSIC screen appears. I had music on there from tinkering years back. The unit seems to operate fine (I plugging in earplugs and listened to music) while charging, but as soon as I disconnect the charge wire no matter what the screen view, it all goes dark. On line searches have not been helpful. Any thoughts? ...fyi leaving it even longer on the charger just in case Ron _______________________________________________ WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ Web Forum/Archive:https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org… _______________________________________________WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.orgTo unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.orgCreate Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/Web Forum/Archive: https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/BSEPB… _______________________________________________ WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ Web Forum/Archive: https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/WS5RT…

March 30, 2025

Re: SanDisk Clip Sport Question

by joel d

Circuit sounds very wonky. Hard power reset may get it back fully. They say 20 plus seconds of power button hold. Then release power button. Then hopefully power on normal. On March 29, 2025 9:16:46 PM The Hammer via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > Eric I did not see this until now. Somehow it was in my spam folder. > Right now it ONLY plays when charging. Since I want this to listen in my > car I bet I have a cigarette to USB adapter somewhere. This should work. Cool. > On 3/29/25 10:56, Eric Martin wrote: >> Can it charge and play at the same time? If so a battery bank might be a >> hacky solution. If you’re looking to fix it; I’d recommend ifixit.com. >> Those are my two “easy” fix solutions. >> >> Cheers, >> >> Eric >> >>> On Mar 29, 2025, at 10:44, The Hammer via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: >>> Would anyone be knowledgeable? >>> >>> I have an old 8 GB SanDisk Clip Sport that I am trying to resurrect if it >>> can be done easily. >>> >>> >>> Yesterday I left it connected to my Linux Computer USB for two hours. The >>> screen read "Low Battery" >>> >>> >>> This morning, I plugged it into a house charger and left it charging for >>> nearly three hours. The same "Low Battery' Screen appeared. If I hit the >>> power button the MUSIC screen appears. I had music on there from tinkering >>> years back. The unit seems to operate fine (I plugging in earplugs and >>> listened to music) while charging, but as soon as I disconnect the charge >>> wire no matter what the screen view, it all goes dark. >>> >>> On line searches have not been helpful. >>> >>> >>> Any thoughts? >>> >>> >>> ...fyi leaving it even longer on the charger just in case >>> >>> Ron >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >>> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >>> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ >>> Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ >>> Web Forum/Archive: >>> https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/RPJAB… > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/BSEPB…

March 30, 2025

Re: SanDisk Clip Sport Question

by The Hammer

Eric I did not see this until now. Somehow it was in my spam folder. Right now it ONLY plays when charging. Since I want this to listen in my car I bet I have a cigarette to USB adapter somewhere. This should work. Cool. On 3/29/25 10:56, Eric Martin wrote: > Can it charge and play at the same time? If so a battery bank might be > a hacky solution. If you’re looking to fix it; I’d recommend > ifixit.com. Those are my two “easy” fix solutions. > > Cheers, > Eric > >> On Mar 29, 2025, at 10:44, The Hammer via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> >> wrote: >> >> >> Would anyone be knowledgeable? >> >> I have an old 8 GB SanDisk Clip Sport that I am trying to resurrect >> if it can be done easily. >> >> Yesterday I left it connected to my Linux Computer USB for two >> hours. The screen read "Low Battery" >> >> This morning, I plugged it into a house charger and left it charging >> for nearly three hours. The same "Low Battery' Screen appeared. If I >> hit the power button the MUSIC screen appears. I had music on there >> from tinkering years back. The unit seems to operate fine (I >> plugging in earplugs and listened to music) while charging, but as >> soon as I disconnect the charge wire no matter what the screen view, >> it all goes dark. >> >> On line searches have not been helpful. >> >> Any thoughts? >> >> ...fyi leaving it even longer on the charger just in case >> >> Ron >> _______________________________________________ >> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ >> Change Settings: >> https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ >> Web Forum/Archive: >> https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/RPJAB…

March 30, 2025

Re: SanDisk Clip Sport Question

by Kevin Stratton

The following is based some very old memories of reading some articles about the charging profiles of lithium ion batteries. I expect that there are inaccuracies in my memory. Assuming that this has a lithium ion battery and this was the result of over discharging the battery, it is possible that the battery voltage is below the minimum voltage for the charging circuitry inside theSan Disk Clip. This behavior is an intentional behavior of chargers for safety reasons. If you insist on taking the risk of bypassing this safety feature, it is your risk. The unit has to be under charge for a l-o-n-g time, relying on internal leakage current to s-l-o-w-l-y charge the battery to above the minimum voltage to actually charge the battery. Several hours may not enough time to do this. I would consider "charging" this unit for several days to be sure that the unit will not take a charge. On 3/29/25 10:44 AM, The Hammer via WLUG wrote: > 8 GB SanDisk Clip Sport

March 29, 2025

Re: SanDisk Clip Sport Question

by The Hammer

After running several different charging options, it seem like it's the battery. It may go back in that drawer again for now, but thank you for the help! On 3/29/25 13:17, The Hammer via WLUG wrote: > Joel/Robert/All: > > Thank you for the speedy replies. I am guessing that the unit is > about 12 years old. I forget when I purchased it but only powered it > up once or twice when I got it and it's been since sitting silently in > a drawer. I am trying a different charger (just now) and will let > that sit for a couple hours in case the charger was the issue. I > looked on line regarding the battery replacement and it does not sound > like it would be worth the effort and cost. > > Hopefully I the alternate charger fixes the issue. If it's the > battery, I will likely move on. > > My intent is to use it to listen to podcasts in my car. I was > previously using a 2nd generation ipod nano, but my one Windows PC > that had itunes developed issues and I no longer have it. I have yet > to get the ipod to work on Linux, though I have not yet tried Rockbox > > On 3/29/25 13:02, Robert Krawitz via WLUG wrote: >> On 3/29/25 10:44, The Hammer via WLUG wrote: >>> Would anyone be knowledgeable? >>> >>> I have an old 8 GB SanDisk Clip Sport that I am trying to resurrect >>> if it can be done easily. >>> >>> Yesterday I left it connected to my Linux Computer USB for two >>> hours. The screen read "Low Battery" >>> >>> This morning, I plugged it into a house charger and left it charging >>> for nearly three hours. The >>> same "Low Battery' Screen appeared. If I hit the power button the >>> MUSIC screen appears. I had >>> music on there from tinkering years back. The unit seems to operate >>> fine (I plugging in earplugs >>> and listened to music) while charging, but as soon as I disconnect >>> the charge wire no matter what >>> the screen view, it all goes dark. >> You didn't say how old it is, but batteries do lose capacity over >> time and that battery might be >> shot by now. The fact that it runs on charge but powers off >> immediately upon disconnect suggests >> that the battery is the culprit. >> >> It's possible that it's the battery connector. If the battery is not >> replaceable that's less likely >> (the battery might be soldered or even spot welded), but not >> impossible. You could try >> disassembling it to see whether it's replaceable. >> _______________________________________________ >> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ >> Change Settings: >> https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ >> Web Forum/Archive: >> https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/RGJYF… > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/H6I3O…

March 29, 2025