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Re: Charter internet - lots of drops for others?

by John Stoffel

>>>>> "Randy" == Randy Cole via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: Randy> When we had a customer-owned Motorola Sharkfin-style modem, Randy> which was either Docsis 1.0 or pre-Docsis, Charter Randy> Communications dba Spectrum started deliberately screwing Randy> with the connection; It would go down about once a day, Randy> right around like 8PM or midnight, and you would have to Randy> powercycle it and it would work. Finally called them, they Randy> wanted us to upgrade to one of their cable modems, which Randy> they provide for "free". Didn't send an email or a letter Randy> like a normal company would but forced you to call them!! I too used to have one of those, and it worked great for years, then they forced us to use their own modem. Randy> In our area they give you a www.hitrontech.com Docsys 3.1 eMTA Randy> EN2251 PC15 modem with two telephone connectors and a Randy> theoretical battery-backup connector (does anybody use the Randy> battery backup or have their cablemodem on a UPS? Does it even Randy> work?) It's physically way larger than it should be. All web Randy> pages, configuration, logs are disabled so the customer cannot Randy> troubleshoot anything themselves. Can log in to your Randy> MySpectrum app and "check the connection" which sometimes can Randy> wake the thing up when it is disconnected. This is what I've got right now too. Next time there's an outage, I'll check if my phone (via charter) is also down or not. If it is, then that points to a HiTron or cable issue. I did have my outside cable replaced a few years ago due to noise issues, but they took care of it. Randy> I've read on the internetzzz that you can have problems such as Randy> failing analog amplifiers in their cable plant cause hard to Randy> diagnose intermittent problems, and also that Docsis 3.1 is Randy> more sensitive to line quality than Docsis 3.0. My biggest Randy> concerns include the rising price of their internet service. Me too, I'm getting ready to dump all but internet service since all we mostly get is spam calls on the land line. Why pay for it when we all have cells? But... it's the number everyone knows about for almost 20 years. It would be a bit painful unless I got it turned into a virtual number that rang my cell. But then I'd get tons of spam calls. So next time it happens, I need to try the land line and look at the cable modem lights (only two on there, fucking hate that box) and then start escalating with Charter. Assuming I can get someone on the line. I'd even be willing to buy my own, instead of paying their fees.

Dec. 9, 2020

CentOS Stream

by Chuck Anderson

Here are two emails from the Fedora Development list about what I was just talking about: 1. CentOS Stream as a rolling release *of a stable RHEL branch*. 2. Idea to write an ansible script to upgrade to the point release of packages that RHEL 8.x ship with. ----- Forwarded message from Adam Williamson <adamwill(a)fedoraproject.org> ----- Date: Wed, 09 Dec 2020 08:52:09 -0800 From: Adam Williamson <adamwill(a)fedoraproject.org> To: Development discussions related to Fedora <devel(a)lists.fedoraproject.org> Subject: Re: End of CentOS Linux: What about Fedora? Return-Path: devel-bounces(a)lists.fedoraproject.org Precedence: list Reply-To: Development discussions related to Fedora <devel(a)lists.fedoraproject.org> On Wed, 2020-12-09 at 14:07 +0100, Jaroslav Prokop wrote: > > If I understood the announcement, it would be a kind of CentOS streams > is rolling release or a release with short > release interval. That does not make my job much easier as someone who > just sets up services and leaves it running. It's a rolling release *of a stable RHEL branch*. You're not getting radical new changes if you run CentOS Stream; you're just getting the changes you'd usually get in RHEL stable point releases (e.g. 8.1, 8.2 etc) but getting them early and as they are produced, rather than in periodic lumps). For some folks / maintenance styles this might still be an issue, but it should work OK in quite a lot of cases. It's not like you're running Rawhide. -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA IRC: adamw | Twitter: adamw_ha https://www.happyassassin.net _______________________________________________ devel mailing list -- devel(a)lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-leave(a)lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org ----- End forwarded message ----- ----- Forwarded message from Gary Buhrmaster <gary.buhrmaster(a)gmail.com> ----- Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2020 17:08:19 +0000 From: Gary Buhrmaster <gary.buhrmaster(a)gmail.com> To: Development discussions related to Fedora <devel(a)lists.fedoraproject.org> Subject: Re: End of CentOS Linux: What about Fedora? Return-Path: devel-bounces(a)lists.fedoraproject.org Precedence: list Reply-To: Development discussions related to Fedora <devel(a)lists.fedoraproject.org> On Wed, Dec 9, 2020 at 4:52 PM Adam Williamson <adamwill(a)fedoraproject.org> wrote: > For some folks / maintenance styles this might still be an issue, but > it should work OK in quite a lot of cases. It's not like you're running > Rawhide. For those that want the equivalent of a point release, I would think they should be able to write an ansible script to upgrade to the point release of packages that EL 8.x ship with. A little more work (for someone) to maintain, but I would not be surprised if someone (or a community) decided to take it one. _______________________________________________ devel mailing list -- devel(a)lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-leave(a)lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org ----- End forwarded message -----

Dec. 9, 2020

Re: Wlug meeting on Thurs. Dec 10th 2020 @7pm.

by Chuck Anderson

Juniper QFX runs Wind River Linux. If you can control your update deployment, you can stay on the same package versions/releases that end up in RHEL. There may be someone working on a tool to make this easier. On Wed, Dec 09, 2020 at 04:12:24PM -0500, Frank Sweetser wrote: > It depends on the use case. If all you want is a free, reasonably stable > version of RHEL, Centos stream might just be good enough. > > If your goal is to support software that wants RHEL, this could be hit or > miss, as you'll always be running on an approximation of RHEL. You could > say you should always have been just buying RHEL if it's that critical, but > it's now that much less optional. > > I'm also really curious to see what's going to happen to the various black > box appliances out there that currently run on CentOS, like Aruba > Clearpass, Aruba wireless controllers, and the Juniper QFX switches. I > doubt they'll want something stablish like CentOS Stream, so they most > likely have three basic choices. > > 1. Run on CentOS 7 for as long as they can get away with it, and hope > something better appears in the meantime > 2. Work out a licensing deal for RHEL, and pass along the costs to the > customers > 3. Switch to an alternate distro like Ubuntu LTS > > The next year is going to be interesting for more than a few vendors... > > On Wed, Dec 9, 2020 at 3:59 PM Chuck Anderson <cra(a)alum.wpi.edu> wrote: > > > This might not be as bad as it initially sounds. Centos Stream will > > consist of rolling updates that start from what will become each RHEL > > point release to what will become the the next RHEL point release, so > > for example from RHEL 8.1 to 8.2 to 8.3 etc. In fact, Centos 6, 7, > > and 8 already is a "forced" minor upgrade every quarter or so since > > they stop supporting x.y after RHEL x.y+1 comes out and your normal > > system yum updates just migrate you to the newer x.y+1 anyway. This > > is in contrast to how RHEL itself works, or how Scientific Linux used > > to work, where you actually have to take explicit action to upgrade to > > a new point release either using new install media or manual "yum" > > commands. See for example: > > > > https://scientificlinux.org/documentation/faq/faq-releases/ > > > > And here is what one of my Centos 7 systems looks like: > > > > >cat /etc/centos-release > > CentOS Linux release 7.9.2009 (Core) > > >rpm -qf /etc/centos-release > > centos-release-7-9.2009.1.el7.centos.x86_64 > > >rpm -qi centos-release > > Name : centos-release > > Version : 7 > > Release : 9.2009.1.el7.centos > > Architecture: x86_64 > > Install Date: Thu 03 Dec 2020 07:27:24 AM EST > > .. > > > > See how the Centos 7.9.2009 release package was installed this month? > > Previously, I had older versions of that package: > > > > >sudo grep centos-release /var/log/yum.log* > > /var/log/yum.log:Nov 13 08:46:49 Updated: centos-release.x86_64 > > 7-9.2009.0.el7.centos > > /var/log/yum.log:Dec 03 07:27:24 Updated: centos-release.x86_64 > > 7-9.2009.1.el7.centos > > /var/log/yum.log-20181204:Jul 30 14:47:20 Updated: > > centos-release-7-5.1804.el7.centos.2.x86_64 > > /var/log/yum.log-20181204:Aug 14 12:15:35 Updated: > > centos-release-7-5.1804.4.el7.centos.x86_64 > > /var/log/yum.log-20181204:Oct 10 05:45:04 Updated: centos-release.x86_64 > > 7-5.1804.5.el7.centos > > /var/log/yum.log-20181204:Dec 04 07:19:18 Updated: centos-release.x86_64 > > 7-6.1810.2.el7.centos > > /var/log/yum.log-20200428:Jan 08 09:08:24 Updated: > > centos-release-7-7.1908.0.el7.centos.x86_64 > > /var/log/yum.log-20200428:Apr 28 07:47:22 Updated: centos-release.x86_64 > > 7-8.2003.0.el7.centos > > > > So over the years, this server got upgraded automatically from Centos > > 7.5 to 7.6 to 7.7 to 7.9. I have nightly automatic "yum updates" > > turned on, so it just gets updates as they come out and I reboot the > > server once every so often so the updates get fully applied (new > > kernels, new shared libraries). > > > > The difference with Centos Stream is you'll get updates continually > > /before/ RHEL releases it eventually as a "snapshot in time" called > > RHEL x.y+1. Sure, they won't be as heavily tested as RHEL point > > releases, but if you really need/want that, then you can either buy > > RHEL or stage your Centos Stream updates from TEST-->STAGE-->PROD, > > and/or stagger them across your PROD systems to minimize impact. > > > > On Wed, Dec 09, 2020 at 02:59:30PM -0500, Tim Keller wrote: > > > I've got a fair amount of centos in production... this sucks... guess I'm > > > going to Debian now... > > > > > > On Wed, Dec 9, 2020 at 9:10 AM Frank Sweetser via WLUG < > > wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > And for anyone looking to contribute to Greg's efforts: > > > > > > > > https://github.com/hpcng/rocky > > > > > > > > On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 11:23 PM Chuck Anderson via WLUG < > > > > wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > > > > > > > >> My favorite comment on that post: > > > >> > > > >> "Gregory Kurtzer says: > > > >> December 8, 2020 at 4:27 pm > > > >> > > > >> I am considering creating another rebuild of RHEL and may even be able > > > >> to hire some people for this effort. If you are interested in helping, > > > >> please join the HPCng slack (link on the website hpcng.org) > > > >> > > > >> Greg > > > >> (original founder of CentOS)" > > > >> > > > >> On Tue, Dec 08, 2020 at 10:35:24PM -0500, Frank Sweetser via WLUG > > wrote: > > > >> > Well, there's plenty talk about for CentOS users, like what you're > > > >> going to > > > >> > switch to now that CentOS is becoming something completely > > different: > > > >> > > > > >> > https://blog.centos.org/2020/12/future-is-centos-stream/

Dec. 9, 2020

Re: Wlug meeting on Thurs. Dec 10th 2020 @7pm.

by Frank Sweetser

It depends on the use case. If all you want is a free, reasonably stable version of RHEL, Centos stream might just be good enough. If your goal is to support software that wants RHEL, this could be hit or miss, as you'll always be running on an approximation of RHEL. You could say you should always have been just buying RHEL if it's that critical, but it's now that much less optional. I'm also really curious to see what's going to happen to the various black box appliances out there that currently run on CentOS, like Aruba Clearpass, Aruba wireless controllers, and the Juniper QFX switches. I doubt they'll want something stablish like CentOS Stream, so they most likely have three basic choices. 1. Run on CentOS 7 for as long as they can get away with it, and hope something better appears in the meantime 2. Work out a licensing deal for RHEL, and pass along the costs to the customers 3. Switch to an alternate distro like Ubuntu LTS The next year is going to be interesting for more than a few vendors... On Wed, Dec 9, 2020 at 3:59 PM Chuck Anderson <cra(a)alum.wpi.edu> wrote: > This might not be as bad as it initially sounds. Centos Stream will > consist of rolling updates that start from what will become each RHEL > point release to what will become the the next RHEL point release, so > for example from RHEL 8.1 to 8.2 to 8.3 etc. In fact, Centos 6, 7, > and 8 already is a "forced" minor upgrade every quarter or so since > they stop supporting x.y after RHEL x.y+1 comes out and your normal > system yum updates just migrate you to the newer x.y+1 anyway. This > is in contrast to how RHEL itself works, or how Scientific Linux used > to work, where you actually have to take explicit action to upgrade to > a new point release either using new install media or manual "yum" > commands. See for example: > > https://scientificlinux.org/documentation/faq/faq-releases/ > > And here is what one of my Centos 7 systems looks like: > > >cat /etc/centos-release > CentOS Linux release 7.9.2009 (Core) > >rpm -qf /etc/centos-release > centos-release-7-9.2009.1.el7.centos.x86_64 > >rpm -qi centos-release > Name : centos-release > Version : 7 > Release : 9.2009.1.el7.centos > Architecture: x86_64 > Install Date: Thu 03 Dec 2020 07:27:24 AM EST > .. > > See how the Centos 7.9.2009 release package was installed this month? > Previously, I had older versions of that package: > > >sudo grep centos-release /var/log/yum.log* > /var/log/yum.log:Nov 13 08:46:49 Updated: centos-release.x86_64 > 7-9.2009.0.el7.centos > /var/log/yum.log:Dec 03 07:27:24 Updated: centos-release.x86_64 > 7-9.2009.1.el7.centos > /var/log/yum.log-20181204:Jul 30 14:47:20 Updated: > centos-release-7-5.1804.el7.centos.2.x86_64 > /var/log/yum.log-20181204:Aug 14 12:15:35 Updated: > centos-release-7-5.1804.4.el7.centos.x86_64 > /var/log/yum.log-20181204:Oct 10 05:45:04 Updated: centos-release.x86_64 > 7-5.1804.5.el7.centos > /var/log/yum.log-20181204:Dec 04 07:19:18 Updated: centos-release.x86_64 > 7-6.1810.2.el7.centos > /var/log/yum.log-20200428:Jan 08 09:08:24 Updated: > centos-release-7-7.1908.0.el7.centos.x86_64 > /var/log/yum.log-20200428:Apr 28 07:47:22 Updated: centos-release.x86_64 > 7-8.2003.0.el7.centos > > So over the years, this server got upgraded automatically from Centos > 7.5 to 7.6 to 7.7 to 7.9. I have nightly automatic "yum updates" > turned on, so it just gets updates as they come out and I reboot the > server once every so often so the updates get fully applied (new > kernels, new shared libraries). > > The difference with Centos Stream is you'll get updates continually > /before/ RHEL releases it eventually as a "snapshot in time" called > RHEL x.y+1. Sure, they won't be as heavily tested as RHEL point > releases, but if you really need/want that, then you can either buy > RHEL or stage your Centos Stream updates from TEST-->STAGE-->PROD, > and/or stagger them across your PROD systems to minimize impact. > > On Wed, Dec 09, 2020 at 02:59:30PM -0500, Tim Keller wrote: > > I've got a fair amount of centos in production... this sucks... guess I'm > > going to Debian now... > > > > On Wed, Dec 9, 2020 at 9:10 AM Frank Sweetser via WLUG < > wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> > > wrote: > > > > > And for anyone looking to contribute to Greg's efforts: > > > > > > https://github.com/hpcng/rocky > > > > > > On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 11:23 PM Chuck Anderson via WLUG < > > > wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > > > > > >> My favorite comment on that post: > > >> > > >> "Gregory Kurtzer says: > > >> December 8, 2020 at 4:27 pm > > >> > > >> I am considering creating another rebuild of RHEL and may even be able > > >> to hire some people for this effort. If you are interested in helping, > > >> please join the HPCng slack (link on the website hpcng.org) > > >> > > >> Greg > > >> (original founder of CentOS)" > > >> > > >> On Tue, Dec 08, 2020 at 10:35:24PM -0500, Frank Sweetser via WLUG > wrote: > > >> > Well, there's plenty talk about for CentOS users, like what you're > > >> going to > > >> > switch to now that CentOS is becoming something completely > different: > > >> > > > >> > https://blog.centos.org/2020/12/future-is-centos-stream/ > -- - Frank

Dec. 9, 2020

Re: Wlug meeting on Thurs. Dec 10th 2020 @7pm.

by Chuck Anderson

This might not be as bad as it initially sounds. Centos Stream will consist of rolling updates that start from what will become each RHEL point release to what will become the the next RHEL point release, so for example from RHEL 8.1 to 8.2 to 8.3 etc. In fact, Centos 6, 7, and 8 already is a "forced" minor upgrade every quarter or so since they stop supporting x.y after RHEL x.y+1 comes out and your normal system yum updates just migrate you to the newer x.y+1 anyway. This is in contrast to how RHEL itself works, or how Scientific Linux used to work, where you actually have to take explicit action to upgrade to a new point release either using new install media or manual "yum" commands. See for example: https://scientificlinux.org/documentation/faq/faq-releases/ And here is what one of my Centos 7 systems looks like: >cat /etc/centos-release CentOS Linux release 7.9.2009 (Core) >rpm -qf /etc/centos-release centos-release-7-9.2009.1.el7.centos.x86_64 >rpm -qi centos-release Name : centos-release Version : 7 Release : 9.2009.1.el7.centos Architecture: x86_64 Install Date: Thu 03 Dec 2020 07:27:24 AM EST .. See how the Centos 7.9.2009 release package was installed this month? Previously, I had older versions of that package: >sudo grep centos-release /var/log/yum.log* /var/log/yum.log:Nov 13 08:46:49 Updated: centos-release.x86_64 7-9.2009.0.el7.centos /var/log/yum.log:Dec 03 07:27:24 Updated: centos-release.x86_64 7-9.2009.1.el7.centos /var/log/yum.log-20181204:Jul 30 14:47:20 Updated: centos-release-7-5.1804.el7.centos.2.x86_64 /var/log/yum.log-20181204:Aug 14 12:15:35 Updated: centos-release-7-5.1804.4.el7.centos.x86_64 /var/log/yum.log-20181204:Oct 10 05:45:04 Updated: centos-release.x86_64 7-5.1804.5.el7.centos /var/log/yum.log-20181204:Dec 04 07:19:18 Updated: centos-release.x86_64 7-6.1810.2.el7.centos /var/log/yum.log-20200428:Jan 08 09:08:24 Updated: centos-release-7-7.1908.0.el7.centos.x86_64 /var/log/yum.log-20200428:Apr 28 07:47:22 Updated: centos-release.x86_64 7-8.2003.0.el7.centos So over the years, this server got upgraded automatically from Centos 7.5 to 7.6 to 7.7 to 7.9. I have nightly automatic "yum updates" turned on, so it just gets updates as they come out and I reboot the server once every so often so the updates get fully applied (new kernels, new shared libraries). The difference with Centos Stream is you'll get updates continually /before/ RHEL releases it eventually as a "snapshot in time" called RHEL x.y+1. Sure, they won't be as heavily tested as RHEL point releases, but if you really need/want that, then you can either buy RHEL or stage your Centos Stream updates from TEST-->STAGE-->PROD, and/or stagger them across your PROD systems to minimize impact. On Wed, Dec 09, 2020 at 02:59:30PM -0500, Tim Keller wrote: > I've got a fair amount of centos in production... this sucks... guess I'm > going to Debian now... > > On Wed, Dec 9, 2020 at 9:10 AM Frank Sweetser via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> > wrote: > > > And for anyone looking to contribute to Greg's efforts: > > > > https://github.com/hpcng/rocky > > > > On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 11:23 PM Chuck Anderson via WLUG < > > wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > > > >> My favorite comment on that post: > >> > >> "Gregory Kurtzer says: > >> December 8, 2020 at 4:27 pm > >> > >> I am considering creating another rebuild of RHEL and may even be able > >> to hire some people for this effort. If you are interested in helping, > >> please join the HPCng slack (link on the website hpcng.org) > >> > >> Greg > >> (original founder of CentOS)" > >> > >> On Tue, Dec 08, 2020 at 10:35:24PM -0500, Frank Sweetser via WLUG wrote: > >> > Well, there's plenty talk about for CentOS users, like what you're > >> going to > >> > switch to now that CentOS is becoming something completely different: > >> > > >> > https://blog.centos.org/2020/12/future-is-centos-stream/

Dec. 9, 2020

Re: Wlug meeting on Thurs. Dec 10th 2020 @7pm.

by Tim Keller

I've got a fair amount of centos in production... this sucks... guess I'm going to Debian now... On Wed, Dec 9, 2020 at 9:10 AM Frank Sweetser via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > And for anyone looking to contribute to Greg's efforts: > > https://github.com/hpcng/rocky > > On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 11:23 PM Chuck Anderson via WLUG < > wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > >> On Tue, Dec 08, 2020 at 10:35:24PM -0500, Frank Sweetser via WLUG wrote: >> > Well, there's plenty talk about for CentOS users, like what you're >> going to >> > switch to now that CentOS is becoming something completely different: >> > >> > https://blog.centos.org/2020/12/future-is-centos-stream/ >> >> My favorite comment on that post: >> >> "Gregory Kurtzer says: >> December 8, 2020 at 4:27 pm >> >> I am considering creating another rebuild of RHEL and may even be able >> to hire some people for this effort. If you are interested in helping, >> please join the HPCng slack (link on the website hpcng.org) >> >> Greg >> (original founder of CentOS)" >> _______________________________________________ >> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ >> Change Settings: >> https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ >> Web Forum/Archive: >> https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/ON4X3… >> > > > -- > - Frank > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/PSPQY… > -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

Dec. 9, 2020

Re: Wlug meeting on Thurs. Dec 10th 2020 @7pm.

by Frank Sweetser

And for anyone looking to contribute to Greg's efforts: https://github.com/hpcng/rocky On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 11:23 PM Chuck Anderson via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > On Tue, Dec 08, 2020 at 10:35:24PM -0500, Frank Sweetser via WLUG wrote: > > Well, there's plenty talk about for CentOS users, like what you're going > to > > switch to now that CentOS is becoming something completely different: > > > > https://blog.centos.org/2020/12/future-is-centos-stream/ > > My favorite comment on that post: > > "Gregory Kurtzer says: > December 8, 2020 at 4:27 pm > > I am considering creating another rebuild of RHEL and may even be able > to hire some people for this effort. If you are interested in helping, > please join the HPCng slack (link on the website hpcng.org) > > Greg > (original founder of CentOS)" > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/ON4X3… > -- - Frank

Dec. 9, 2020

Re: Wlug meeting on Thurs. Dec 10th 2020 @7pm.

by Frank Sweetser

From what I've read, the role of Fedora won't really change. Here's my understanding of what the plan is: - Fedora: unchanged. This is basically the playground for what RedHat will one day become. Every once in a while, they pick a Fedora release, and use it as the foundation for the next RHEL release. For example, RHEL 8 was based off of Fedora 28. - CentOS Stream: despite sharing the name, this is something completely new. It appears to basically be a pre-release of candidate updates that are slated for full release into the RHEL channels. Think of it as pre-release, but post-beta. - RHEL: unchanged. The commercial release we all know, and some of us love. - CentOS: gone. The old CentOS that was designed as a binary compatible, bug for bug match of RHEL, is no more. On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 11:01 PM Zori Babroudi via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > Well that's a fun announcement. > What is going to be the role of Fedora then? > <Z> > > > > On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 10:36 PM Frank Sweetser via WLUG < > wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > >> Well, there's plenty talk about for CentOS users, like what you're going >> to switch to now that CentOS is becoming something completely different: >> >> https://blog.centos.org/2020/12/future-is-centos-stream/ >> >> On Tue, Dec 8, 2020, 10:33 PM Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> >> wrote: >> >>> Well, we made it.. The last wlug meeting of 2020! >>> >>> I hope everybody has stayed healthy and safe. >>> >>> The meeting is going to be at our usual virtual hang out.. >>> https://meet.jit.si/WlugMA @7pm. >>> >>> I don't have a topic yet, I suspect something natural will emerge. >>> >>> Later, >>> Tim. >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >>> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >>> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ >>> Change Settings: >>> https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ >>> Web Forum/Archive: >>> https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/MOVLG… >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ >> Change Settings: >> https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ >> Web Forum/Archive: >> https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/3HHVY… >> > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/2XSQD… > -- - Frank

Dec. 9, 2020

Re: Wlug meeting on Thurs. Dec 10th 2020 @7pm.

by Chuck Anderson

On Tue, Dec 08, 2020 at 10:35:24PM -0500, Frank Sweetser via WLUG wrote: > Well, there's plenty talk about for CentOS users, like what you're going to > switch to now that CentOS is becoming something completely different: > > https://blog.centos.org/2020/12/future-is-centos-stream/ My favorite comment on that post: "Gregory Kurtzer says: December 8, 2020 at 4:27 pm I am considering creating another rebuild of RHEL and may even be able to hire some people for this effort. If you are interested in helping, please join the HPCng slack (link on the website hpcng.org) Greg (original founder of CentOS)"

Dec. 9, 2020

Re: Wlug meeting on Thurs. Dec 10th 2020 @7pm.

by Zori Babroudi

Well that's a fun announcement. What is going to be the role of Fedora then? <Z> On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 10:36 PM Frank Sweetser via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > Well, there's plenty talk about for CentOS users, like what you're going > to switch to now that CentOS is becoming something completely different: > > https://blog.centos.org/2020/12/future-is-centos-stream/ > > On Tue, Dec 8, 2020, 10:33 PM Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> > wrote: > >> Well, we made it.. The last wlug meeting of 2020! >> >> I hope everybody has stayed healthy and safe. >> >> The meeting is going to be at our usual virtual hang out.. >> https://meet.jit.si/WlugMA @7pm. >> >> I don't have a topic yet, I suspect something natural will emerge. >> >> Later, >> Tim. >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ >> Change Settings: >> https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ >> Web Forum/Archive: >> https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/MOVLG… >> > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/3HHVY… >

Dec. 9, 2020