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Re: clean Linux install while keeping the same packages installed as before

by Joshua Stone

I'm hoping it'll get easier to back up and upgrade OS installs with the advances in containerized runtimes like flatpak and podman/distrobox, and immutable distros like Silverblue. For example, I can back up application installs from: /var/lib/flatpak Optionally I can store just the list of names and re-install them later: $ flatpak list --system --app --columns=application --ostree-verbose > apps.txt $ cat apps.txt com.bitwig.BitwigStudio com.discordapp.Discord com.github.k4zmu2a.spacecadetpinball com.github.tchx84.Flatseal com.github.wwmm.easyeffects com.mojang.Minecraft com.obsproject.Studio com.spotify.Client io.mgba.mGBA md.obsidian.Obsidian org.chromium.Chromium org.gimp.GIMP .. .. org.kde.krita org.keepassxc.KeePassXC org.libreoffice.LibreOffice org.mozilla.firefox org.signal.Signal org.videolan.VLC org.x.Warpinator us.zoom.Zoom And -- more importantly -- user data can be backed up from: ~/.var/app Silverblue also seems to handle updates/upgrades very well as none of the updates apply to the running system. It also makes a clear distinction between OS and application by relying on flatpaks and toolbox as the primary means of application management. This is definitely a significant change from the familiar package model, but it's one that I think has merit. I'm excited to see these technologies mature and become more integral to modern Linux distros! - Josh On Fri, Jan 14, 2022 at 9:08 AM Chuck Anderson via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > I'm more familiar with Fedora where I do something like this. It > should be possible to do the same in Ubuntu with the appropriate > apt-get commands. > > 1. List all packages with their names only (no versions) on both the > old system and newly installed system, assuming the new system is > booted and the old system is mounted at /mnt/oldroot. > Alternatively, do the first command (without the --root parameter) > when booted to the old version and save the file somewhere: > > rpm -qa --qf='%{name}\n' --root=/mnt/oldroot | sort -u > old-pkglist.txt > rpm -qa --qf='%{name}\n' | sort -u > new-pkglist.txt > > > 2. Compare the files and save that output: > > diff -b -U0 {old,new}-pkglist.txt > old-new-diff.txt > grep ^- old-new-diff.txt | cut -c2- > missing-from-new.txt > grep ^+ old-new-diff.txt | cut -c2- > only-in-new.txt > > 3. Now go through the list and install what you want. I usually do > this step manually rather than using some automated script, since > there are many changes I don't necessarily want, such as shared > libraries. All I really care about is applications/commands/utilities. > I go through the lists, reading the diff in one window and installing > stuff I want in another: > > dnf install a b c d ... > > and/or this which installs a package and all of its subpackages > except development and debug subpackages. This is great when a > package has a bunch of plugins I want: > > dnf --exclude='*devel*' --exclude='*debug*' install foo-\* ... > > Or you could curate the list, e.g. edit missing-from-new.txt > keeping only the lines you care about, then automatically install > everything that is in the curated list: > > cat missing-from-new-curated.txt | xargs dnf -y install > > > >> On Thu, Jan 13, 2022 at 3:47 PM gmcaplan--- via WLUG > > >> <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > > >> > > >> I was hoping to attend, but it looks like I will not be able to. > > >> I hope it will be recorded because I, too, would like to learn > about > > >> emacs. > > >> Also, I have two questions: > > >> 1. I am running Ubuntu 18.04 LTS. When I update to ver. 20 or 22, > I > > >> would prefer to do a "clean" re-install, but I have a question. > Does > > >> that mean I must get a list of all my installed software and > > >> re-install > > >> them one at a time after I upgrade the OS? If so, is there an > > >> easy way > > >> for me to get the list? > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/Z5ONM… >

Jan. 16, 2022

Re: Great meeting last night!

by Michael Voorhis

Sorry -- are we supposed to know what the WLUG youtube account-name is? How it is to be found, etc? I looked around a bit. I looked on youtube, I looked on wlug.org. Maybe (probably?) I'm blind but I didn't find anything. --MCV. On 1/14/22 11:20, Tim Keller via WLUG wrote: > trim it down a bit and upload the video to the wlug youtube account

Jan. 15, 2022

Re: linux.conf.au

by Lexi Haley

Just one followup - the first keynote was Brian Kernighan giving a talk: *"The early days of Unix at Bell Labs"* I found it interesting; LCA posted it to their youTube channel: https://youtu.be/ECCr_KFl41E?list=RDCMUCciKHCG06rnq31toLTfAiyw Lexi On Thu, Jan 13, 2022 at 4:37 PM Lexi Haley <ahaley42(a)gmail.com> wrote: > This is random and literally last minute, but it's day one of > Linux.Conf.Au - anyone else virtually attending any sessions? > > https://linux.conf.au/ > > Lexi >

Jan. 15, 2022

Re: Great meeting last night!

by Keith Wright

Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > The meeting last night was amazing I mentioned at one point that I have a cartoon of an emacs user at work. I put it up on the web server: http://www.free-comp-shop.com/wlug/index.html -- Keith

Jan. 15, 2022

Re: Great meeting last night!

by John Stoffel

Tim> The meeting last night was amazing and Kalman showed us was a Tim> power emacs users looks like. It was a really fun meeting, and I enjoyed meeting Kalman and learning even more about emacs (as I write this using emacs...) and the power it provides. But I still think training my pinkie to use Ctrl/Meta down at the spacebar level, instead of on the home row is going to be hard to accomplish! Tim> I've downloaded the video, I'm going to trim it down a bit and Tim> upload the video to the wlug youtube account. Once it's uploaded Tim> I'll send out the link. Cool.

Jan. 14, 2022

Great meeting last night!

by Tim Keller

Hey Everybody, The meeting last night was amazing and Kalman showed us was a power emacs users looks like. I've downloaded the video, I'm going to trim it down a bit and upload the video to the wlug youtube account. Once it's uploaded I'll send out the link. Thanks, Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

Jan. 14, 2022

clean Linux install while keeping the same packages installed as before

by Chuck Anderson

I'm more familiar with Fedora where I do something like this. It should be possible to do the same in Ubuntu with the appropriate apt-get commands. 1. List all packages with their names only (no versions) on both the old system and newly installed system, assuming the new system is booted and the old system is mounted at /mnt/oldroot. Alternatively, do the first command (without the --root parameter) when booted to the old version and save the file somewhere: rpm -qa --qf='%{name}\n' --root=/mnt/oldroot | sort -u > old-pkglist.txt rpm -qa --qf='%{name}\n' | sort -u > new-pkglist.txt 2. Compare the files and save that output: diff -b -U0 {old,new}-pkglist.txt > old-new-diff.txt grep ^- old-new-diff.txt | cut -c2- > missing-from-new.txt grep ^+ old-new-diff.txt | cut -c2- > only-in-new.txt 3. Now go through the list and install what you want. I usually do this step manually rather than using some automated script, since there are many changes I don't necessarily want, such as shared libraries. All I really care about is applications/commands/utilities. I go through the lists, reading the diff in one window and installing stuff I want in another: dnf install a b c d ... and/or this which installs a package and all of its subpackages except development and debug subpackages. This is great when a package has a bunch of plugins I want: dnf --exclude='*devel*' --exclude='*debug*' install foo-\* ... Or you could curate the list, e.g. edit missing-from-new.txt keeping only the lines you care about, then automatically install everything that is in the curated list: cat missing-from-new-curated.txt | xargs dnf -y install > >> On Thu, Jan 13, 2022 at 3:47 PM gmcaplan--- via WLUG > >> <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > >> > >> I was hoping to attend, but it looks like I will not be able to. > >> I hope it will be recorded because I, too, would like to learn about > >> emacs. > >> Also, I have two questions: > >> 1. I am running Ubuntu 18.04 LTS. When I update to ver. 20 or 22, I > >> would prefer to do a "clean" re-install, but I have a question. Does > >> that mean I must get a list of all my installed software and > >> re-install > >> them one at a time after I upgrade the OS? If so, is there an > >> easy way > >> for me to get the list?

Jan. 14, 2022

Re: Reminder: Virtual Meeting today at 7PM Topic: Emacs awesomeness.

by Chris Thompson

Hello! I'd like to offer a couple notes regarding your upgrade. `apt list --list` may list more than what you've installed explicitly. It will include the packages installed by default in the system (/var/log/installer/initial-status.gz) as well as all the dependencies of packages you've installed. Anyway - that makes for a useful complete list, certainly, but you can generally work from a much smaller list. I think the list you may want comes from `apt-mark showmanual` to list packages you've specifically installed. All this said, https://askubuntu.com/questions/1383951/apt-mark-showmanual-shows-almost-al… seems to indicate that results based on manual installation flags can be problematic before 20.04, so YMMV (though you can exclude from your list based on the initial-status file above as well). While you can do a bash loop and install the packages that way, you can also list a whole bunch on a single run, e.g. `apt install x y z q`. If you are adding >1000 packages, you're likely to run into a limitation doing it that way, but just mentioning - it'd be a little bit quicker (being able to skip identifying packages already installed via others, and running triggers fewer times, etc). Not that it matters all that much, but if you did come up with a list of just 50-100 you need, it's be a reasonable approach. Note that there are changes between the packages in different versions of the OS. Some packages may no longer be available, having been abandoned, and others may be substituted with different packages and so on. While these suggestions will get you close, it may not quite be perfect. If you did opt for an upgrade instead (which works very well in my experience) such changes will often be pointed out to you and/or accommodated for automatically. Finally, don't forget to check for any additional sources you may have added in `/etc/apt/sources*` Regards, Chris On 1/13/22 17:59, gmcaplan--- via WLUG wrote: > Thank you. The Ubuntu info is concise, understandable, and helpful ... > a great combination. > > George > > On 2022-01-13 3:56 pm, Tim Keller via WLUG wrote: > >> To your first question, you can get your list of installed packages >> on Ubuntu by running "apt list --installed" and piping that to a file >> and copying that off somewhere safe. You'll likely have to strip that >> file a bit. >> Then once you've got that file, on your cleanly installed system you >> can enumerate over that file with a bash for loop and call "apt >> install /package/" >> To your second question, I'm sure we've got an R nerd around here.. >> Tim. >> >> On Thu, Jan 13, 2022 at 3:47 PM gmcaplan--- via WLUG >> <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: >> >> I was hoping to attend, but it looks like I will not be able to. >> I hope it will be recorded because I, too, would like to learn about >> emacs. >> Also, I have two questions: >> 1. I am running Ubuntu 18.04 LTS. When I update to ver. 20 or 22, I >> would prefer to do a "clean" re-install, but I have a question. Does >> that mean I must get a list of all my installed software and >> re-install >> them one at a time after I upgrade the OS? If so, is there an >> easy way >> for me to get the list? >> >> 2. I have been learning to use the software language R. I have a >> couple >> of questions and I would like to hear from anyone who has R >> experience. >> >> Thank You. >> >> George Caplan >> email: gmcaplan(a)gmcaplan.org >> >> >> On 2022-01-13 1:12 pm, Michael Voorhis via WLUG wrote: >> > On 1/13/22 12:58, Tim Keller via WLUG wrote: >> >> Today he's going to show off some of his emacs foo. >> > >> > Will the talk be recorded? I'd love to hear the talk but can't >> attend >> > because of a conflict. >> > >> > --MCV. >> > _______________________________________________ >> > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >> > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >> > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ >> > Change Settings: >> > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ >> > Web Forum/Archive: >> > >> https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/D2QDC… >> _______________________________________________ >> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ >> Change Settings: >> https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ >> Web Forum/Archive: >> https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/VBG7T… >> >> >> -- >> I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their >> constituents as "consumers". >> >> _______________________________________________ >> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ >> Change Settings: >> https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ >> Web Forum/Archive: >> https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/HTDBB… > > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list --wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email towlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account:https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings:https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive:https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org…

Jan. 13, 2022

Re: Reminder: Virtual Meeting today at 7PM Topic: Emacs awesomeness.

by gmcaplan＠gmcaplan.org

Thank you. The Ubuntu info is concise, understandable, and helpful ... a great combination. George On 2022-01-13 3:56 pm, Tim Keller via WLUG wrote: > To your first question, you can get your list of installed packages on > Ubuntu by running "apt list --installed" and piping that to a file and > copying that off somewhere safe. You'll likely have to strip that file > a bit. > Then once you've got that file, on your cleanly installed system you > can enumerate over that file with a bash for loop and call "apt install > _package_" > > To your second question, I'm sure we've got an R nerd around here.. > > Tim. > > On Thu, Jan 13, 2022 at 3:47 PM gmcaplan--- via WLUG > <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > >> I was hoping to attend, but it looks like I will not be able to. >> I hope it will be recorded because I, too, would like to learn about >> emacs. >> Also, I have two questions: >> 1. I am running Ubuntu 18.04 LTS. When I update to ver. 20 or 22, I >> would prefer to do a "clean" re-install, but I have a question. Does >> that mean I must get a list of all my installed software and >> re-install >> them one at a time after I upgrade the OS? If so, is there an easy way >> for me to get the list? >> >> 2. I have been learning to use the software language R. I have a >> couple >> of questions and I would like to hear from anyone who has R >> experience. >> >> Thank You. >> >> George Caplan >> email: gmcaplan(a)gmcaplan.org >> >> On 2022-01-13 1:12 pm, Michael Voorhis via WLUG wrote: >>> On 1/13/22 12:58, Tim Keller via WLUG wrote: >>>> Today he's going to show off some of his emacs foo. >>> >>> Will the talk be recorded? I'd love to hear the talk but can't >>> attend >>> because of a conflict. >>> >>> --MCV. >>> _______________________________________________ >>> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >>> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >>> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ >>> Change Settings: >>> https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ >>> Web Forum/Archive: >>> https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/D2QDC… >> _______________________________________________ >> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ >> Change Settings: >> https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ >> Web Forum/Archive: >> https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/VBG7T… > > -- > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their > constituents as "consumers". > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/HTDBB…

Jan. 13, 2022

"apt list --installed" ... even has chrome on Mint...and other raves

by Doug Mildram

Hi from doug in Maine ...former WPI netops geek, before that a *NIX admin back to when Vax and Sparc were corporate choices (I guess I've gotten over pining for BSD variants). I supported many emacs geeks (sw/hw developers) then, but never adopted emacs in my pea brain. I guess I preferred vi's stupid modes and ESC and ":" , over CTRL-everything? in emacs. Or maybe I got bit by a macro as a child. For some ancient emacs lore...its security hole Way Back Then is lovingly(ha) mentioned in Clifford Stoll's awesome/fun? book "The Cuckoo's Egg". Just to get root, back then. Access via hopping thru dialup 1200baud modems, and a world where security was off-radar to the engineers owning systems. Even MilNet systems. What fun ! Dumb hacker paradise! One fun line from below: What do you feed a Trojan horse ? Oooh, found a 52-page scan of the book at http://nationalsecurity.gmu.edu/wp-content/uploads/2020/12/Cuckoos-Egg-Read… But as always, I ramble. George: Great question. I "(d)evolved" into a dumb linux Mint user (a great Ubuntu-based distro ..though you gotta choose, Cinnamon,MATE,Xfce. I chose Mate, 20.1 is stable. I forget the why's, but I know it's good with a few beloved windows keyb tricks like ALT-TAB). As a sysadmin responsible for reloading/building systems, I had to fret packages once, .....obviously this was the cat's meow compared to rebuilding from sources and "make". I remember studying our typical < 1000 RedHat packages and feeling like I knew what most of them were. Now I've got > 2000 on Mint, and barely recognize half of them. Today for fun (Thanks Tim), I looked to see... if the one thing I recall needing to install off-package a few years ago = "chrome" showed up in either my sudo logs (nope) or package list. Chrome got into Mint's distros. So my "apt list --installed" output (3mo old desktop load) shows 2028 packages having chosen the "want 3rd party stuff?" install question...so wonderful..so I have both emacsen-common/focal,focal,now 3.0.4 all [installed] and google-chrome-stable/now 91.0.4472.77-1 amd64 [installed,upgradable to: 97.0.4692.71-1] From cmd line, google-chrome (I no longer need on Final side track, I remember years ago saying "amazing...YouTube just works out of box!". Final backtrack...wonder what emacsen-common has, since if I try to launch "emacs" I get Command 'emacs' not found, but can be installed with: sudo apt install e3 # version 1:2.71-2, or sudo apt install emacs-gtk # version 1:26.3+1-1ubuntu2 sudo apt install emacs-lucid # version 1:26.3+1-1ubuntu2 sudo apt install emacs-nox # version 1:26.3+1-1ubuntu2 sudo apt install jove # version 4.17.2.7-1 Pardon my endless rant, hope it doesn't sidetrack today/tonite. I'll be fascinated to see what a recorded session looks like...with chat/comments?

Jan. 13, 2022