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Re: [Wlug] Red Hat 8.0

by Wes Allen

MDK 9.0 is a nice distro, Lycoris is good as well for starters. Wes On Friday 04 October 2002 5:29 pm, joel jones wrote: > Earlier this week I installed a minimalist configuration of RH 8.0 on my > old Thinkpad 365XD (P133/40MB/6GB). The configuration works fine except > for being slow due to lack of processor and memory (40 MB RAM is max'd). > > The only snag I ran into was a hang on install just before the first RPM > installs. The machine locked up there twice during the text install. I > found this lockup only happened to me doing a "custom" install and not the > "workstation" install. > > RH 8.0 does seem improved over RH 7.X in terms of the quality of fonts and > GUI mods. I also found more things I could quickly disable features to > make life bearable on this old hardware (wallpaper,menu icons,etc). > Unfortunately, I have not tried other distributions yet and cannot > intelligently compare them to RH 7.X or 8.0. > > My next step is to find a very small window manager to hopefully make this > machine perform reasonably in X. Currently I am considering replacing the > default Gnome with either IceWM and Enlightenment. > > Joel > ===================== > > >Hello, > >About 24 months ago I gave linux RH 6.2 a try. I am not a programmer >and > >not very familiar with unix or linux. I did get the linux to run >and was > >able to connect to the internet but had a lot of trouble >getting printers > >to work and found it generally difficult for someone >with my skill level. > > > >WLUG was very helpful and I though that in a while I would try again. >I > >think that this fall I am going to make another effort. Are there >any > >suggestions of what distro to try. Basically I will have a dual >boot > >system with either xp or 2000. I have a PII 450 with 196mb ram >and 13gig > >HD. > > > >I appreciate the advice. > >Thanks > >Tom > > _________________________________________________________________ > Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Oct. 4, 2002

RE:[Wlug] Red Hat 8.0

by joel jones

Earlier this week I installed a minimalist configuration of RH 8.0 on my old Thinkpad 365XD (P133/40MB/6GB). The configuration works fine except for being slow due to lack of processor and memory (40 MB RAM is max'd). The only snag I ran into was a hang on install just before the first RPM installs. The machine locked up there twice during the text install. I found this lockup only happened to me doing a "custom" install and not the "workstation" install. RH 8.0 does seem improved over RH 7.X in terms of the quality of fonts and GUI mods. I also found more things I could quickly disable features to make life bearable on this old hardware (wallpaper,menu icons,etc). Unfortunately, I have not tried other distributions yet and cannot intelligently compare them to RH 7.X or 8.0. My next step is to find a very small window manager to hopefully make this machine perform reasonably in X. Currently I am considering replacing the default Gnome with either IceWM and Enlightenment. Joel ===================== > >Hello, >About 24 months ago I gave linux RH 6.2 a try. I am not a programmer >and >not very familiar with unix or linux. I did get the linux to run >and was >able to connect to the internet but had a lot of trouble >getting printers >to work and found it generally difficult for someone >with my skill level. > >WLUG was very helpful and I though that in a while I would try again. >I >think that this fall I am going to make another effort. Are there >any >suggestions of what distro to try. Basically I will have a dual >boot >system with either xp or 2000. I have a PII 450 with 196mb ram >and 13gig >HD. > >I appreciate the advice. >Thanks >Tom _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com

Oct. 4, 2002

Re: [Wlug] Sendmail

by JP LaFleur

On Tue, 2002-10-01 at 06:28, Aramico wrote: > Where can I get detail documentation about Sendmail and Qmail ? > I mean, the documentations on their site both are meaningless for me. > > Well, it's all just about the the pop3, smtp, virtualhost, etc. > > Thanks! If you want to use qmail, I've always found "Life With Qmail" to be particulary handy. http://www.lifewithqmail.org/lwq.html -JP

Oct. 4, 2002

Re: [Wlug] Red Hat 8.0

by Karl Hiramoto

I second that recomendation for mandrake 9.0 I used 8.1 and it was very full featured! On Thu, 3 Oct 2002, Charles R. Anderson wrote: > On Thu, Oct 03, 2002 at 06:14:33PM -0400, W. Thomas Manders wrote: > wtmanders> Are there any suggestions of what distro to try. Basically I will have a > wtmanders> dual boot system with either xp or 2000. > > Red Hat 8.0 is specifically geared, for the first time ever, for Desktop > installation and ease-of-use, so that is what I would recommend. > > Mandrake 9 was also just recently released, and it might be worth a try > also. Mandrake has historically been geared towards Desktop > ease-of-use. > > -- ¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø Karl Hiramoto <karl(a)hiramoto.org> Work: 978-425-2090 ext 25 Cell: 508-517-4819 Personal web page: http://karl.hiramoto.org/ Zoop Productions: http://www.zoop.org/ KTEQ Rapid City: http://www.kteq.org/ AOL IM ID = KarlH420 Yahoo_IM = karl_hiramoto ¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø because of network lag due to too many people playing deathmatch

Oct. 4, 2002

Re: [Wlug] Red Hat 8.0

by Charles R. Anderson

On Thu, Oct 03, 2002 at 06:14:33PM -0400, W. Thomas Manders wrote: wtmanders> Are there any suggestions of what distro to try. Basically I will have a wtmanders> dual boot system with either xp or 2000. Red Hat 8.0 is specifically geared, for the first time ever, for Desktop installation and ease-of-use, so that is what I would recommend. Mandrake 9 was also just recently released, and it might be worth a try also. Mandrake has historically been geared towards Desktop ease-of-use. -- Charles R. Anderson <cra(a)wpi.edu> / http://angus.ind.wpi.edu/~cra/ PGP Key ID: 49BB5886 Fingerprint: EBA3 A106 7C93 FA07 8E15 3AC2 C367 A0F9 49BB 5886

Oct. 3, 2002

Re: [Wlug] sources???

by Charles R. Anderson

On Thu, Oct 03, 2002 at 05:25:24PM -0400, Bill Mills-Curran wrote: subssn594> I'm looking at some software I have to build at work, and I'm trying subssn594> to work with RedHat 8.0, even though I don't have it yet. I'm curious subssn594> about a particulare "binary" package: subssn594> subssn594> kernel-source-2.4.18-14.i386.rpm This contains the expanded and RH-patched kernel source code in /usr/src/linux-2.4.18-14, along with supporting files, such as config files. It is used if you want to build a custom kernel right in /usr/src/linux, without packaging it up as an RPM. It is also needed for compiling your own kernel modules. In that case, you should always use the include files in /lib/modules/2.4.18-14/build/include (build is a symlink into /usr/src/linux-2.4.18-14) so you compile against the current kernel version's include files. subssn594> glibc-kernheaders-2.4-7.20.i386.rpm This is a totally separate package that contains stable, unchanging kernel headers for use with all user-space program compilation. The files are contained in /usr/include/asm and /usr/include/linux, and this package should always be used instead of symlinking those directories to /usr/src/linux/include/{asm,linux}. subssn594> kernel-2.4.18-14.src.rpm This contains the kernel tarball + patches + configs + an RPM spec file. It is used to build all kernel-*.i{3,5,6}86.rpm files. If you want to make custom kernel RPM packages, then you need to use this. subssn594> In particular, I'd like to try building my package (targeting 8.0) on subssn594> my 7.2 box. (Maybe that's unrealistic. It's a fibre HBA driver subssn594> module.) Yes, that is unrealistic. RH 8.0 uses GCC 3.2, which compiles code that is fundamentally incompatible with kernel code compiled with RH's GCC 2.96 in 7.2. Not only that, but kernel modules should always be compiled against the same kernel version they will be used with, using the headers in /lib/modules/2.4.x-y/build/include. subssn594> At any rate, why the mixup with the "sources"? And, why would header subssn594> files be non-relocatable on the install? (At least the kernel headers subssn594> are with 7.2. Because you should never need to use the kernel headers of a specific kernel version for *userspace* programs, and you should use /lib/modules/2.4.x-y/build/include for *kernelspace* programs. These changes are the first steps in separating out the kernel ABI/API from the userspace ABI/API. -- Charles R. Anderson <cra(a)wpi.edu> / http://angus.ind.wpi.edu/~cra/ PGP Key ID: 49BB5886 Fingerprint: EBA3 A106 7C93 FA07 8E15 3AC2 C367 A0F9 49BB 5886

Oct. 3, 2002

RE: [Wlug] Red Hat 8.0

by W. Thomas Manders

Hello, About 24 months ago I gave linux RH 6.2 a try. I am not a programmer and not very familiar with unix or linux. I did get the linux to run and was able to connect to the internet but had a lot of trouble getting printers to work and found it generally difficult for someone with my skill level. WLUG was very helpful and I though that in a while I would try again. I think that this fall I am going to make another effort. Are there any suggestions of what distro to try. Basically I will have a dual boot system with either xp or 2000. I have a PII 450 with 196mb ram and 13gig HD. I appreciate the advice. Thanks Tom -----Original Message----- From: wlug-admin(a)mail.wlug.org [mailto:wlug-admin@mail.wlug.org] On Behalf Of Charles R. Anderson Sent: Monday, September 30, 2002 10:10 AM To: wlug(a)wlug.org Subject: [Wlug] Red Hat 8.0 Come and get it: ftp://angus.ind.wpi.edu/pub/mirrors/redhat/linux/8.0/en ISO's and full install tree. wpila.org seems to be down right now, so when it comes back could one of you forward my message to them? Thanks. -- Charles R. Anderson <cra(a)wpi.edu> / http://angus.ind.wpi.edu/~cra/ PGP Key ID: 49BB5886 Fingerprint: EBA3 A106 7C93 FA07 8E15 3AC2 C367 A0F9 49BB 5886 _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Oct. 3, 2002

RE: [Wlug] I know the problem, anyone know the commands...

by Wesley Allen

Tim, That's what I figured, but I'm not aware of how to specify an irq inside modules.conf; it just has the module with no parameters. Wes On Thu, 2002-10-03 at 16:17, Keller, Tim wrote: > You should be able to specify with options in the conf.modules or > modules.conf when the module loads which IRQ to use. > > Tim. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Wesley Allen [mailto:wallen@charter.net] > Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2002 16:16 PM > To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > Subject: [Wlug] I know the problem, anyone know the commands... > > > Hi gang, > I've tracked down my usb problem. It appears that both my acpi and > usb > controllers are competing for irq 9; what I need to do is set my irq > for usb to 11 and then it should work. How do I switch irq values?? > > Wes > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

Oct. 3, 2002

sources???

by Bill Mills-Curran

I'm looking at some software I have to build at work, and I'm trying to work with RedHat 8.0, even though I don't have it yet. I'm curious about a particulare "binary" package: kernel-source-2.4.18-14.i386.rpm and similarly: glibc-kernheaders-2.4-7.20.i386.rpm These are clearly source files. How do they compare with: kernel-2.4.18-14.src.rpm ???? In particular, I'd like to try building my package (targeting 8.0) on my 7.2 box. (Maybe that's unrealistic. It's a fibre HBA driver module.) At any rate, why the mixup with the "sources"? And, why would header files be non-relocatable on the install? (At least the kernel headers are with 7.2. TIA, Bill

Oct. 3, 2002

Re: [Wlug] I know the problem, anyone know the commands...

by Karl Hiramoto

Shouldn't the ACPI and USB be able to share an IRQ? Did you mount your devusb filesystem? On 3 Oct 2002, Wesley Allen wrote: > Hi gang, > I've tracked down my usb problem. It appears that both my acpi and usb > controllers are competing for irq 9; what I need to do is set my irq > for usb to 11 and then it should work. How do I switch irq values?? > > Wes > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > -- ¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø Karl Hiramoto <karl(a)hiramoto.org> Work: 978-425-2090 ext 25 Cell: 508-517-4819 Personal web page: http://karl.hiramoto.org/ Zoop Productions: http://www.zoop.org/ KTEQ Rapid City: http://www.kteq.org/ AOL IM ID = KarlH420 Yahoo_IM = karl_hiramoto ¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø It was kinda like stuffing the wrong card in a computer, when you're stickin' those artificial stimulants in your arm. -- Dion, noted computer scientist

Oct. 3, 2002