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Re: [Wlug] Upcoming meetings

by Stephen C. Daukas

Andy Stewart wrote: >HI everybody, > [snip] >Given all of the above, that still leaves our December meeting open. What do >folks think we can pull together in the next few days? > Chips and Dip? ;-)

Dec. 11, 2002

Upcoming meetings

by Andy Stewart

HI everybody, I like the idea of having a handhelds night, be they Zaurus, IPAQ, Palm, etc. I also would agree that January might be a good time for such a meeting. There seems to be a general consensus on this, so I'd like to propose that the January meeting will be the "Handhelds and Linux" meeting. I'll volunteer to bring my Palm IIIx and show how to sync it with Linux. Admittedly, that's not as cool as running Linux on the handheld itself, but hey, its one more thing to keep me away from Windows! I would like to hear from other volunteers who plan to bring their handheld devices so I can pencil you in. When I announce the meeting, I'd like to be able to say what types of devices will be discussed and demonstrated. That type of detail will draw people to the meeting. Note that Jon 'Maddog' Hall is scheduled to be our speaker at the February meeting. Maddog has come to WLUG meetings in the past and is an awesome speaker. You definitely do NOT want to miss this meeting! If we advertise this around the WPI campus and on the net, I don't see why we couldn't have a big crowd for this meeting. With regard to a possible LAN party, its not clear to me that we can pull it together just a few days before the meeting date (or am I wrong?), so should we plan on this for the March meeting? I propose that with all of the network gear and people's computers, we could accomodate the computer gamers as well as those who want security checks (nessus and the like), or even those who have never configured networking before and would like to give it a try. Given all of the above, that still leaves our December meeting open. What do folks think we can pull together in the next few days? Later, Andy -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA USA http://www.wlug.org

Dec. 11, 2002

Re: [Wlug] Meeting Ideas...

by Wes Allen

On Tuesday 10 December 2002 5:52 pm, brad wrote: > On Tue, Dec 10, 2002 at 01:17:53PM -0500, Brett Russ wrote: > > brad wrote: > > >Are there any other ipaq owners which would like to have this done? > > These are all good questions. > > > Yeah, I would if you tell me I can reliably sync between Linux and > > Windows > > I believe this is possible. I will look into specifics. > > > and there are capable contact/task/calendar/etc apps that work > > well on the ipaq platform. > > Calendars are pretty simple to display on different platforms with the > ical file format. Good... > > Task, contacts ... i'll have to look this up. I believe contacts can > sync okay with outlook. Again i'll look into this. How about evolution? And I'm surprised that aethera isn't slated to sync with it's own apps.... > > > How about sound recording/playback > > functionality? > > This sort of works, there's development beening done in this area. ogg playback? Using theKompany's player? Maybe? > > > What LAN/WLAN cards are supported? > > Yes, there are a few that are supported. I don't know this ones, i'll > look for a hardware compat list. I'd like to see the list, if you find a decent url.... > > > These are the worries I have. I will go to handhelds.org and read up a > > bit but sometimes experienced users find that the info read on a site is > > not as rosy IRL. > > Yeah, these are all logical concerns. For some people converting to > linux doesn't make sence. There are a few downfalls from linux on the > ipaq, off the top of head. > - no pocket word, excel, outlook etc. Opie's stuff is good, and theKompany's programs should work on an iPAQ, or so they say... > - no natural handwritting recognition (only character recognition, like > the palm) I though qtopia had trainable letter recognition? And I don't like handwriting recognition, mostly because I've got terrible handwriting.... > - Hardware is less supported. > > > thanks & I would like to start attending meetings also, > > Perhaps after i give a little demonstration, you'll have a better idea > whether converting your ipaq is for you. > > --brad I'd sugguest two computers doing the setup.... one with a serial connection to do the bootloader and initial install (if there's a couple of iPAQs) and another with usb networking setup do polish it off. How hard is it to set up usb networking? Wes > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug -- ------ This message may be signed using GPG, for my public key please send me a message with "Key Request" in the subject line.

Dec. 10, 2002

Re: [Wlug] Meeting Ideas...

by brad

On Tue, Dec 10, 2002 at 01:17:53PM -0500, Brett Russ wrote: > brad wrote: > >Are there any other ipaq owners which would like to have this done? > These are all good questions. > Yeah, I would if you tell me I can reliably sync between Linux and > Windows I believe this is possible. I will look into specifics. > and there are capable contact/task/calendar/etc apps that work > well on the ipaq platform. Calendars are pretty simple to display on different platforms with the ical file format. Task, contacts ... i'll have to look this up. I believe contacts can sync okay with outlook. Again i'll look into this. > How about sound recording/playback > functionality? This sort of works, there's development beening done in this area. > What LAN/WLAN cards are supported? Yes, there are a few that are supported. I don't know this ones, i'll look for a hardware compat list. > These are the worries I have. I will go to handhelds.org and read up a > bit but sometimes experienced users find that the info read on a site is > not as rosy IRL. Yeah, these are all logical concerns. For some people converting to linux doesn't make sence. There are a few downfalls from linux on the ipaq, off the top of head. - no pocket word, excel, outlook etc. - no natural handwritting recognition (only character recognition, like the palm) - Hardware is less supported. > thanks & I would like to start attending meetings also, Perhaps after i give a little demonstration, you'll have a better idea whether converting your ipaq is for you. --brad

Dec. 10, 2002

Re: [Wlug] Meeting Ideas...

by Wes Allen

I'll be there!!!!!! Wes On Tuesday 10 December 2002 12:12 pm, brad wrote: > A meeting like so would probably be best suited for January. That would > give me time to get kitchsync working. Also i hope i can i have a ipaq to > install linux on (mine has already been ..... well, exorcized). Wes has > been wanting to do for some time, let's hope he can make it January's > meeting. > > Are there any other ipaq owners which would like to have this done? > > On Tuesday 10 December 2002 09:09 am, Marc Hughes wrote: > > Since the ipaq install was described as a mini-demo, perhaps a PDA > > night? > > IPaqs, zauruses, palms, whatever else. > > > > I'd suggest... > > How to install linux on them. (including explanation of distros, and > > package formats) > > How to sync them with a linux desktop. > > How to sync the linux pda with a windows desktop. > > Other cool stuff? > > good list of ideas. > > > war-walking? > > what is war-walking? > > > Hmm... Not sure how easy it is to show off PDA stuff to a large group > > due to the screen size. I bet there's solutions to that (run vnc on the > > pda?) > > Yeah the size could be a problem. VNC is a good idea, and i think i does > work on the ipaq. > > > And also... Perhaps another talk someday could be "Linux on unusual > > devices" ... PS2, dreamcast, toasters, refidgerators, whatever weird > > things linux is running on. Anyone got any ideas there? > > That does sound interesting. > > --brad > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug -- ------ This message may be signed using GPG, for my public key please send me a message with "Key Request" in the subject line.

Dec. 10, 2002

Re: [Wlug] Meeting Ideas...

by Brett Russ

brad wrote: > Are there any other ipaq owners which would like to have this done? Yeah, I would if you tell me I can reliably sync between Linux and Windows and there are capable contact/task/calendar/etc apps that work well on the ipaq platform. How about sound recording/playback functionality? What LAN/WLAN cards are supported? These are the worries I have. I will go to handhelds.org and read up a bit but sometimes experienced users find that the info read on a site is not as rosy IRL. thanks & I would like to start attending meetings also, Brett

Dec. 10, 2002

Re: [Wlug] Meeting Ideas...

by brad

A meeting like so would probably be best suited for January. That would give me time to get kitchsync working. Also i hope i can i have a ipaq to install linux on (mine has already been ..... well, exorcized). Wes has been wanting to do for some time, let's hope he can make it January's meeting. Are there any other ipaq owners which would like to have this done? On Tuesday 10 December 2002 09:09 am, Marc Hughes wrote: > Since the ipaq install was described as a mini-demo, perhaps a PDA > night? > IPaqs, zauruses, palms, whatever else. > > I'd suggest... > How to install linux on them. (including explanation of distros, and > package formats) > How to sync them with a linux desktop. > How to sync the linux pda with a windows desktop. > Other cool stuff? good list of ideas. > war-walking? what is war-walking? > Hmm... Not sure how easy it is to show off PDA stuff to a large group > due to the screen size. I bet there's solutions to that (run vnc on the > pda?) Yeah the size could be a problem. VNC is a good idea, and i think i does work on the ipaq. > And also... Perhaps another talk someday could be "Linux on unusual > devices" ... PS2, dreamcast, toasters, refidgerators, whatever weird > things linux is running on. Anyone got any ideas there? That does sound interesting. --brad

Dec. 10, 2002

Re: [Wlug] Meeting Ideas...

by Wes Allen

I think the mini-demo idea was a good way to go about it. It was offered to me last install-fest by my family and I were sick. As for this week, my wife and I are talking over my coming. I had promised her that she'd be able to go out with some friends that night in advance (cookie-swap) and while she insists that it's ok if I go to the wlug meeting instead I don't feel right reniging on that promise. So I might miss this AGAIN. ARRRRRGHHHH! Maybe this could be the January topic? I'd be interested to see anyone who's got a Zarus as well, how do you like it? Wes On Tuesday 10 December 2002 9:09 am, Marc Hughes wrote: > Since the ipaq install was described as a mini-demo, perhaps a PDA > night? > IPaqs, zauruses, palms, whatever else. > > I'd suggest... > How to install linux on them. (including explanation of distros, and > package formats) > How to sync them with a linux desktop. > How to sync the linux pda with a windows desktop. > Other cool stuff? > war-walking? > > Hmm... Not sure how easy it is to show off PDA stuff to a large group > due to the screen size. I bet there's solutions to that (run vnc on the > pda?) > > And also... Perhaps another talk someday could be "Linux on unusual > devices" ... PS2, dreamcast, toasters, refidgerators, whatever weird > things linux is running on. Anyone got any ideas there? > > > -Marc > > -----Original Message----- > From: wlug-admin(a)mail.wlug.org [mailto:wlug-admin@mail.wlug.org] On > Behalf Of Stephen C. Daukas > Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2002 8:23 AM > To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > Subject: [Wlug] Meeting Ideas... > > > Now that is a great idea for a meeting (says he who has an IPAQ)! > Anyone else think installing Linux on an iPAQ would be interesting? > > >This will probably make for an intersting mini-demo at a meeting. It's > >been a > >long time since i've gone through all this stuff though (since i > > installed > > >linux on my ipaq a year and a half ago and a lot has changed). > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug -- ------ This message may be signed using GPG, for my public key please send me a message with "Key Request" in the subject line.

Dec. 10, 2002

RE: [Wlug] Meeting Ideas...

by Marc Hughes

Since the ipaq install was described as a mini-demo, perhaps a PDA night? IPaqs, zauruses, palms, whatever else. I'd suggest... How to install linux on them. (including explanation of distros, and package formats) How to sync them with a linux desktop. How to sync the linux pda with a windows desktop. Other cool stuff? war-walking? Hmm... Not sure how easy it is to show off PDA stuff to a large group due to the screen size. I bet there's solutions to that (run vnc on the pda?) And also... Perhaps another talk someday could be "Linux on unusual devices" ... PS2, dreamcast, toasters, refidgerators, whatever weird things linux is running on. Anyone got any ideas there? -Marc -----Original Message----- From: wlug-admin(a)mail.wlug.org [mailto:wlug-admin@mail.wlug.org] On Behalf Of Stephen C. Daukas Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2002 8:23 AM To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org Subject: [Wlug] Meeting Ideas... Now that is a great idea for a meeting (says he who has an IPAQ)! Anyone else think installing Linux on an iPAQ would be interesting? >This will probably make for an intersting mini-demo at a meeting. It's >been a >long time since i've gone through all this stuff though (since i installed >linux on my ipaq a year and a half ago and a lot has changed). > > _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Dec. 10, 2002

badblocks on ext3 fs

by Bill Mills-Curran

I've located the cause of weekly SCSI errors that I asked about a little while ago -- a backup program reads a file (not an important one) which has bad blocks. The file is on an ext3 file systems. My question is, do I use "e2fsck -c" to fix the problem? I'm under the impression that ext3 filesystems are just ext2 with journalling added, so that ext2 tools are the right ones to use. TIA, Bill

Dec. 10, 2002