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Re: Reminder! Meeting tomorrow! Topic: Jack Friment from PIRG, Right to Repair!

by Tim Keller

I miswrote it, it's Ubuntu 24. Thanks, Tim. On Thu, Oct 9, 2025 at 10:21 AM Kevin Harrington <mad.hephaestus(a)gmail.com> wrote: > For the sake of new users, I might suggest 24.04 lts instead of 25.04. Lts > release is going to be supported for 7 years as opposed to the 3 years for > 25.04. > > On Thu, Oct 9, 2025, 8:57 AM Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> > wrote: > >> Awesome!! >> >> I just went to staples and bought a 10 pack of 16GB usb drives.. >> >> What are peoples opinions on what should go on them? >> I was thinking of making 7 out of the 10 Ventoy with an assortment of >> ISO's and the last three I thought I might do as bare ISO installs for >> stuff that doesn't like ventoy. >> >> Here's what I was thinking of putting on each Ventoy drive: >> Ubuntu 25 >> Fedora 42 >> Arch 2025.10.01 >> >> I know asking what your favorite distro is throwing a flare into a >> gasoline factory.. but feel free to let me have your unfettered opinion ;-) >> Tim. >> >> On Thu, Oct 9, 2025 at 8:16 AM Jansen Smith <Jansen(a)bstarengineering.com> >> wrote: >> >>> Sounds like a good time! Looking fwd to meeting Jack. >>> I'll also be bringing a new Omarchy (read: opinionated Arch Linux + >>> Hyprland) system for us to play with. >>> I've got the installer on a USB-C, in case anyone would like to turn >>> ewaste into a productivity workhorse. >>> >>> On Wed, Oct 8, 2025, 5:39 PM Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Hey Gang! >>>> >>>> Just a reminder we've got a meeting tomorrow! >>>> Topic: National Right to Repair day >>>> Speaker: Jack Frimet from PIRG. >>>> Time: 7PM >>>> Date: October 9th, 2025 >>>> Location: Technocopia >>>> Virtual Location: https://meet.jit.si/WlugMA >>>> >>>> Jack Frimet from PIRG reached out to me and asked that he speak at this >>>> meeting. PIRG is an organization that among many other causes is advocating >>>> at the national level for the right to repair. As we are all aware, with >>>> Win10 reaching EOL, this is causing a tsunami of e-waste as people are >>>> forced to upgrade to run Win11. >>>> >>>> On Saturday Oct 18th, it's National Right to Repair day. PIRG in >>>> coordination with Techncopia is going to be hosting what's looking like to >>>> be a good old fashioned Install-fest. Sadly, I have a family conflict, but >>>> I'll be there in spirit! >>>> >>>> I hope to see you all on Thursday! >>>> Later, >>>> Tim. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their >>>> constituents as "consumers". >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >>>> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >>>> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ >>>> Change Settings: >>>> https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ >>>> Web Forum/Archive: >>>> https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/NIOBO… >>>> >>> >> >> -- >> I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their >> constituents as "consumers". >> _______________________________________________ >> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ >> Change Settings: >> https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ >> Web Forum/Archive: >> https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/3YSWG… >> > -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

Oct. 9, 2025

Re: Reminder! Meeting tomorrow! Topic: Jack Friment from PIRG, Right to Repair!

by Kevin Harrington

For the sake of new users, I might suggest 24.04 lts instead of 25.04. Lts release is going to be supported for 7 years as opposed to the 3 years for 25.04. On Thu, Oct 9, 2025, 8:57 AM Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > Awesome!! > > I just went to staples and bought a 10 pack of 16GB usb drives.. > > What are peoples opinions on what should go on them? > I was thinking of making 7 out of the 10 Ventoy with an assortment of > ISO's and the last three I thought I might do as bare ISO installs for > stuff that doesn't like ventoy. > > Here's what I was thinking of putting on each Ventoy drive: > Ubuntu 25 > Fedora 42 > Arch 2025.10.01 > > I know asking what your favorite distro is throwing a flare into a > gasoline factory.. but feel free to let me have your unfettered opinion ;-) > Tim. > > On Thu, Oct 9, 2025 at 8:16 AM Jansen Smith <Jansen(a)bstarengineering.com> > wrote: > >> Sounds like a good time! Looking fwd to meeting Jack. >> I'll also be bringing a new Omarchy (read: opinionated Arch Linux + >> Hyprland) system for us to play with. >> I've got the installer on a USB-C, in case anyone would like to turn >> ewaste into a productivity workhorse. >> >> On Wed, Oct 8, 2025, 5:39 PM Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> >> wrote: >> >>> Hey Gang! >>> >>> Just a reminder we've got a meeting tomorrow! >>> Topic: National Right to Repair day >>> Speaker: Jack Frimet from PIRG. >>> Time: 7PM >>> Date: October 9th, 2025 >>> Location: Technocopia >>> Virtual Location: https://meet.jit.si/WlugMA >>> >>> Jack Frimet from PIRG reached out to me and asked that he speak at this >>> meeting. PIRG is an organization that among many other causes is advocating >>> at the national level for the right to repair. As we are all aware, with >>> Win10 reaching EOL, this is causing a tsunami of e-waste as people are >>> forced to upgrade to run Win11. >>> >>> On Saturday Oct 18th, it's National Right to Repair day. PIRG in >>> coordination with Techncopia is going to be hosting what's looking like to >>> be a good old fashioned Install-fest. Sadly, I have a family conflict, but >>> I'll be there in spirit! >>> >>> I hope to see you all on Thursday! >>> Later, >>> Tim. >>> >>> -- >>> I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their >>> constituents as "consumers". >>> _______________________________________________ >>> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >>> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >>> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ >>> Change Settings: >>> https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ >>> Web Forum/Archive: >>> https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/NIOBO… >>> >> > > -- > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their > constituents as "consumers". > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/3YSWG… >

Oct. 9, 2025

Signal channel..

by Tim Keller

I've created a signal channel for all of us. Signal has a nice linux desktop client as well. https://signal.group/#CjQKIKlVuif-XKEyM_OE5NlItazdhKRrhXlI_l6aRlYx37T6EhCAK… Currently myself, Jansen and Evan are in it. Thanks, Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

Oct. 9, 2025

Re: Meeting tomorrow! Distros I suggest

by Robert N. Evans

Lately I've been using EndeavouOS as an easy Arch variant. (Last year, when Ubuntu shipped an update that broke my bluetooth, I switched and have been happy since). For very old boxes (like a 2010 netbook, 2GB memory, atom CPU), I use AntiX linux. -BE -----Original Message----- From: Worcester Linux Users' Group General Discussion <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> Sent: Oct 9, 2025 8:57 AM To: Jansen Smith <Jansen(a)bstarengineering.com> Cc: Worcester Linux Users' Group General Discussion <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org>, Tim Keller <turbofx(a)gmail.com> Subject: [WLUG] Re: Reminder! Meeting tomorrow! Topic: Jack Friment from PIRG, Right to Repair! Awesome!! I just went to staples and bought a 10 pack of 16GB usb drives.. What are peoples opinions on what should go on them? I was thinking of making 7 out of the 10 Ventoy with an assortment of ISO's and the last three I thought I might do as bare ISO installs for stuff that doesn't like ventoy. Here's what I was thinking of putting on each Ventoy drive: Ubuntu 25 Fedora 42 Arch 2025.10.01 I know asking what your favorite distro is throwing a flare into a gasoline factory.. but feel free to let me have your unfettered opinion ;-) Tim. On Thu, Oct 9, 2025 at 8:16 AM Jansen Smith <Jansen(a)bstarengineering.com (mailto:Jansen@bstarengineering.com)> wrote: Sounds like a good time! Looking fwd to meeting Jack.I'll also be bringing a new Omarchy (read: opinionated Arch Linux + Hyprland) system for us to play with.I've got the installer on a USB-C, in case anyone would like to turn ewaste into a productivity workhorse. On Wed, Oct 8, 2025, 5:39 PM Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org (mailto:wlug@lists.wlug.org)> wrote: Hey Gang! Just a reminder we've got a meeting tomorrow! Topic: National Right to Repair day Speaker: Jack Frimet from PIRG. Time: 7PM Date: October 9th, 2025 Location: Technocopia Virtual Location: https://meet.jit.si/WlugMA Jack Frimet from PIRG reached out to me and asked that he speak at this meeting. PIRG is an organization that among many other causes is advocating at the national level for the right to repair. As we are all aware, with Win10 reaching EOL, this is causing a tsunami of e-waste as people are forced to upgrade to run Win11. On Saturday Oct 18th, it's National Right to Repair day. PIRG in coordination with Techncopia is going to be hosting what's looking like to be a good old fashioned Install-fest. Sadly, I have a family conflict, but I'll be there in spirit! I hope to see you all on Thursday! Later, Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers". _______________________________________________ WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org (mailto:wlug@lists.wlug.org) To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org (mailto:wlug-leave@lists.wlug.org) Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ Web Forum/Archive: https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/NIOBO… -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

Oct. 9, 2025

Re: Reminder! Meeting tomorrow! Topic: Jack Friment from PIRG, Right to Repair!

by Tim Keller

Awesome!! I just went to staples and bought a 10 pack of 16GB usb drives.. What are peoples opinions on what should go on them? I was thinking of making 7 out of the 10 Ventoy with an assortment of ISO's and the last three I thought I might do as bare ISO installs for stuff that doesn't like ventoy. Here's what I was thinking of putting on each Ventoy drive: Ubuntu 25 Fedora 42 Arch 2025.10.01 I know asking what your favorite distro is throwing a flare into a gasoline factory.. but feel free to let me have your unfettered opinion ;-) Tim. On Thu, Oct 9, 2025 at 8:16 AM Jansen Smith <Jansen(a)bstarengineering.com> wrote: > Sounds like a good time! Looking fwd to meeting Jack. > I'll also be bringing a new Omarchy (read: opinionated Arch Linux + > Hyprland) system for us to play with. > I've got the installer on a USB-C, in case anyone would like to turn > ewaste into a productivity workhorse. > > On Wed, Oct 8, 2025, 5:39 PM Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> > wrote: > >> Hey Gang! >> >> Just a reminder we've got a meeting tomorrow! >> Topic: National Right to Repair day >> Speaker: Jack Frimet from PIRG. >> Time: 7PM >> Date: October 9th, 2025 >> Location: Technocopia >> Virtual Location: https://meet.jit.si/WlugMA >> >> Jack Frimet from PIRG reached out to me and asked that he speak at this >> meeting. PIRG is an organization that among many other causes is advocating >> at the national level for the right to repair. As we are all aware, with >> Win10 reaching EOL, this is causing a tsunami of e-waste as people are >> forced to upgrade to run Win11. >> >> On Saturday Oct 18th, it's National Right to Repair day. PIRG in >> coordination with Techncopia is going to be hosting what's looking like to >> be a good old fashioned Install-fest. Sadly, I have a family conflict, but >> I'll be there in spirit! >> >> I hope to see you all on Thursday! >> Later, >> Tim. >> >> -- >> I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their >> constituents as "consumers". >> _______________________________________________ >> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ >> Change Settings: >> https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ >> Web Forum/Archive: >> https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/NIOBO… >> > -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

Oct. 9, 2025

Re: Reminder! Meeting tomorrow! Topic: Jack Friment from PIRG, Right to Repair!

by Jansen Smith

Sounds like a good time! Looking fwd to meeting Jack. I'll also be bringing a new Omarchy (read: opinionated Arch Linux + Hyprland) system for us to play with. I've got the installer on a USB-C, in case anyone would like to turn ewaste into a productivity workhorse. On Wed, Oct 8, 2025, 5:39 PM Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > Hey Gang! > > Just a reminder we've got a meeting tomorrow! > Topic: National Right to Repair day > Speaker: Jack Frimet from PIRG. > Time: 7PM > Date: October 9th, 2025 > Location: Technocopia > Virtual Location: https://meet.jit.si/WlugMA > > Jack Frimet from PIRG reached out to me and asked that he speak at this > meeting. PIRG is an organization that among many other causes is advocating > at the national level for the right to repair. As we are all aware, with > Win10 reaching EOL, this is causing a tsunami of e-waste as people are > forced to upgrade to run Win11. > > On Saturday Oct 18th, it's National Right to Repair day. PIRG in > coordination with Techncopia is going to be hosting what's looking like to > be a good old fashioned Install-fest. Sadly, I have a family conflict, but > I'll be there in spirit! > > I hope to see you all on Thursday! > Later, > Tim. > > -- > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their > constituents as "consumers". > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/NIOBO… >

Oct. 9, 2025

Reminder! Meeting tomorrow! Topic: Jack Friment from PIRG, Right to Repair!

by Tim Keller

Hey Gang! Just a reminder we've got a meeting tomorrow! Topic: National Right to Repair day Speaker: Jack Frimet from PIRG. Time: 7PM Date: October 9th, 2025 Location: Technocopia Virtual Location: https://meet.jit.si/WlugMA Jack Frimet from PIRG reached out to me and asked that he speak at this meeting. PIRG is an organization that among many other causes is advocating at the national level for the right to repair. As we are all aware, with Win10 reaching EOL, this is causing a tsunami of e-waste as people are forced to upgrade to run Win11. On Saturday Oct 18th, it's National Right to Repair day. PIRG in coordination with Techncopia is going to be hosting what's looking like to be a good old fashioned Install-fest. Sadly, I have a family conflict, but I'll be there in spirit! I hope to see you all on Thursday! Later, Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

Oct. 8, 2025

Re: Installing Linux on Hundreds of "Obsolete" Computers

by Joshua Stone

>Yes! I need an obsolete computer. The only thing I know about >Windows-10 is that it proved Microsoft can't count. Versions 1, 2, 3.1, >95, 98, were at least monotonic increasing. If you need a new computer for running gcc, TeX, a web browser, a PDF viewer, and all other of your computing needs, then we can surely help! >I don't install Linux on hundreds of computers; I've done about 30 >installs over the years. It used to be: buy a Linux CD from the >bookstore (Not a joke. I did that several times in the 1990s). Every >computer had a built-in CD reader that it could boot from and everything >was on the CD. Oh, that takes me back! When I was first getting into Linux circa 2009, I would be trying out Linux install CDs that were included in several Linux publications within the magazine section at Barnes and Noble. I was fascinated by how I could run a complete desktop from a cheap piece of optical media found in the back of a magazine, and it was at a fraction of the cost of a Windows license. >The last few times I have done a Debian net-install. It worked through >a RJ-45 jack connection to home internet. Details changed. I no longer >have a IPv4 address and NAT, but IPv6 configured itself and worked. >But now RJ-45 seems to be obsolete. Can I install over a wireless >(wifi) connection? Not long ago, the OS needed to be working and >then it could install a special non-free driver for the wifi and use >it at the coffee shop. >Now that I have my own wireless router it seems mostly good, but I still >trust the wire more. I don't need terabytes and virtual reality video >games. Let me run gcc, TeX, a web browser and a pdf viewer, that's >about it. >I miss the punch card reader at school, but I don't need one at home. >Do I need RJ-45? You can expect a mainstream distribution such as Fedora or Debian to have offline installers in case their online installers don't work. These online installers should give you the option to configure a wired connection or a wireless connection. I believe the one limiting factor (as you're alluding to) is whether the wifi card has the appropriate driver. This can become a catch-22 for online installers which typically don't give you the kind of environment needed to build and install the necessary kernel module and firmware. The best workaround I've found is finding a chipset that's known to work OOTB with a stock Linux kernel: https://github.com/morrownr/USB-WiFi The ALFA AWUS036ACM is the USB wifi adapter that I have, and it's saved me *A LOT* of headache when experimenting with uncommon devices that usually come with Broadcom wifi cards: https://www.alfa.com.tw/products/awus036acm_1 https://www.amazon.com/Network-AWUS036ACM-Long-Range-Wide-Coverage-High-Sen… - Josh On Wed, Oct 8, 2025 at 12:15 AM Keith Wright <kwright(a)keithdiane.us> wrote: > Joshua Stone via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > > > I thought it was really cool to see a coordinated effort to extend the > > lifespan of perfectly usable computers that're only "Obsolete" because > > of Windows 10 becoming EOL: > > Yes! I need an obsolete computer. The only thing I know about > Windows-10 is that it proved Microsoft can't count. Versions 1, 2, 3.1, > 95, 98, were at least monotonic increasing. > > I don't install Linux on hundreds of computers; I've done about 30 > installs over the years. It used to be: buy a Linux CD from the > bookstore (Not a joke. I did that several times in the 1990s). Every > computer had a built-in CD reader that it could boot from and everything > was on the CD. > > The last few times I have done a Debian net-install. It worked through > a RJ-45 jack connection to home internet. Details changed. I no longer > have a IPv4 address and NAT, but IPv6 configured itself and worked. > > But now RJ-45 seems to be obsolete. Can I install over a wireless > (wifi) connection? Not long ago, the OS needed to be working and > then it could install a special non-free driver for the wifi and use > it at the coffee shop. > > Now that I have my own wireless router it seems mostly good, but I still > trust the wire more. I don't need terabytes and virtual reality video > games. Let me run gcc, TeX, a web browser and a pdf viewer, that's > about it. > > I miss the punch card reader at school, but I don't need one at home. > Do I need RJ-45? > > -- Keith >

Oct. 8, 2025

Re: Installing Linux on Hundreds of "Obsolete" Computers

by Keith Wright

Joshua Stone via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > I thought it was really cool to see a coordinated effort to extend the > lifespan of perfectly usable computers that're only "Obsolete" because > of Windows 10 becoming EOL: Yes! I need an obsolete computer. The only thing I know about Windows-10 is that it proved Microsoft can't count. Versions 1, 2, 3.1, 95, 98, were at least monotonic increasing. I don't install Linux on hundreds of computers; I've done about 30 installs over the years. It used to be: buy a Linux CD from the bookstore (Not a joke. I did that several times in the 1990s). Every computer had a built-in CD reader that it could boot from and everything was on the CD. The last few times I have done a Debian net-install. It worked through a RJ-45 jack connection to home internet. Details changed. I no longer have a IPv4 address and NAT, but IPv6 configured itself and worked. But now RJ-45 seems to be obsolete. Can I install over a wireless (wifi) connection? Not long ago, the OS needed to be working and then it could install a special non-free driver for the wifi and use it at the coffee shop. Now that I have my own wireless router it seems mostly good, but I still trust the wire more. I don't need terabytes and virtual reality video games. Let me run gcc, TeX, a web browser and a pdf viewer, that's about it. I miss the punch card reader at school, but I don't need one at home. Do I need RJ-45? -- Keith

Oct. 8, 2025

Installing Linux on Hundreds of "Obsolete" Computers

by Joshua Stone

Hey all, I thought it was really cool to see a coordinated effort to extend the lifespan of perfectly usable computers that're only "Obsolete" because of Windows 10 becoming EOL: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NHLTOdsqDRg I wonder if WLUG could do something similar to make computing more equitable within the community? - Josh

Oct. 7, 2025