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Re: WLUG MEETING TONIGHT!

by Tim Keller

Here is the link to the signal channel! https://signal.group/#CjQKIKlVuif-XKEyM_OE5NlItazdhKRrhXlI_l6aRlYx37T6EhCAK… Thanks, Tim. I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers". On Thu, Dec 11, 2025, 5:48 AM steve--- via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > I missed the original message about it even though it’s in my mailbox. I > forwarded it to the list. And I do recall getting a reply to my message > about joining but I cannot find it. Hopefully though the link in the > forward works? > > > On Dec 10, 2025, at 10:34 PM, Keith Wright via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> > wrote: > > > > > >> > >>> Join the signal chat for more details. >> Thanks, Tim.A > > steve--- via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > >> how does one join the signal chat? > > > > I was about to ask the same question, but I thought I didn't > > need to, since somebody had already asked it. > > > > John Stoffel via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > > > >> Yeah, I don't know either for some reason. And is it private to WLUG > >> only or can we put details onto the web page? > > > > But now two people have asked and nobody answered. > > > > So: How is it done? > > > > Is this the same "signal" that the Secretary of Undeclared War > > got in trouble for using? > > > > ---------- > > > > Evan White via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > > > >> We had a great discussion mostly about Jujutsu, and the philosophy of > >> Git commit organization, ... , etc. > > > > It all went too fast for me. I thought 'git' was for multi-programmer > > group projects. Do you use it just to keep track of versions of > > your own project? > > > > ---------- > > > > Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > > > >> Topic: National Right to Repair day > >> Speaker: Jack Frimet from PIRG. > >> > >> Jack Frimet from PIRG reached out to me and asked that he speak at this > meeting. PIRG > >> is an organization that among many other causes is advocating at the > national level for > >> the right to repair. As we are all aware, with Win10 reaching EOL, this > is causing a > >> tsunami of e-waste as people are forced to upgrade to run Win11. > > > > I was not clear if they are expecting people to bring old computers > > to have Linux installed, or if I can just give cash and get an > > old computer. > > > > Also I asked whether Android was Linux hidden behind a "user interface". > > People seemed to agree that that was about right. > > Now I ask: Can I get a root shell? > > > > Is Linux just hidden, or is it broken and forbidden? > > > > I am looking for a extra "back-up" laptop. Would it be easier to > > install Debian on an Android machine than a Windows machine? > > > > Are BIOS passwords a problem? > > > > -- Keith > > _______________________________________________ > > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/QGC2Z… > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/PZROP… >

Dec. 11, 2025

Re: WLUG MEETING TONIGHT!

by steve＠patternsoft.net

I missed the original message about it even though it’s in my mailbox. I forwarded it to the list. And I do recall getting a reply to my message about joining but I cannot find it. Hopefully though the link in the forward works? > On Dec 10, 2025, at 10:34 PM, Keith Wright via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > > >> >>> Join the signal chat for more details. >> Thanks, Tim.A > steve--- via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: >> how does one join the signal chat? > > I was about to ask the same question, but I thought I didn't > need to, since somebody had already asked it. > > John Stoffel via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > >> Yeah, I don't know either for some reason. And is it private to WLUG >> only or can we put details onto the web page? > > But now two people have asked and nobody answered. > > So: How is it done? > > Is this the same "signal" that the Secretary of Undeclared War > got in trouble for using? > > ---------- > > Evan White via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > >> We had a great discussion mostly about Jujutsu, and the philosophy of >> Git commit organization, ... , etc. > > It all went too fast for me. I thought 'git' was for multi-programmer > group projects. Do you use it just to keep track of versions of > your own project? > > ---------- > > Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > >> Topic: National Right to Repair day >> Speaker: Jack Frimet from PIRG. >> >> Jack Frimet from PIRG reached out to me and asked that he speak at this meeting. PIRG >> is an organization that among many other causes is advocating at the national level for >> the right to repair. As we are all aware, with Win10 reaching EOL, this is causing a >> tsunami of e-waste as people are forced to upgrade to run Win11. > > I was not clear if they are expecting people to bring old computers > to have Linux installed, or if I can just give cash and get an > old computer. > > Also I asked whether Android was Linux hidden behind a "user interface". > People seemed to agree that that was about right. > Now I ask: Can I get a root shell? > > Is Linux just hidden, or is it broken and forbidden? > > I am looking for a extra "back-up" laptop. Would it be easier to > install Debian on an Android machine than a Windows machine? > > Are BIOS passwords a problem? > > -- Keith > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/QGC2Z…

Dec. 11, 2025

Fwd: Signal channel..

by steve＠patternsoft.net

Begin forwarded message: > From: Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> > Date: October 9, 2025 at 10:17:54 AM EDT > To: Worcester Linux Users' Group General Discussion <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> > Cc: Tim Keller <turbofx(a)gmail.com> > Subject: [WLUG] Signal channel.. > Reply-To: Worcester Linux Users' Group General Discussion <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> > > > I've created a signal channel for all of us. Signal has a nice linux desktop client as well. > > https://signal.group/#CjQKIKlVuif-XKEyM_OE5NlItazdhKRrhXlI_l6aRlYx37T6EhCAK… > > Currently myself, Jansen and Evan are in it. > > Thanks, > Tim. > > -- > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers". > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/LEKFZ…

Dec. 11, 2025

WLUG MEETING TONIGHT!

by Keith Wright

>>Join the signal chat for more details. >> Thanks, Tim.A steve--- via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > how does one join the signal chat? I was about to ask the same question, but I thought I didn't need to, since somebody had already asked it. John Stoffel via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > Yeah, I don't know either for some reason. And is it private to WLUG > only or can we put details onto the web page? But now two people have asked and nobody answered. So: How is it done? Is this the same "signal" that the Secretary of Undeclared War got in trouble for using? ---------- Evan White via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > We had a great discussion mostly about Jujutsu, and the philosophy of > Git commit organization, ... , etc. It all went too fast for me. I thought 'git' was for multi-programmer group projects. Do you use it just to keep track of versions of your own project? ---------- Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > Topic: National Right to Repair day > Speaker: Jack Frimet from PIRG. > > Jack Frimet from PIRG reached out to me and asked that he speak at this meeting. PIRG > is an organization that among many other causes is advocating at the national level for > the right to repair. As we are all aware, with Win10 reaching EOL, this is causing a > tsunami of e-waste as people are forced to upgrade to run Win11. I was not clear if they are expecting people to bring old computers to have Linux installed, or if I can just give cash and get an old computer. Also I asked whether Android was Linux hidden behind a "user interface". People seemed to agree that that was about right. Now I ask: Can I get a root shell? Is Linux just hidden, or is it broken and forbidden? I am looking for a extra "back-up" laptop. Would it be easier to install Debian on an Android machine than a Windows machine? Are BIOS passwords a problem? -- Keith

Dec. 11, 2025

REMINDER!! WLUG MEETING TOMORROW!! Dec 11th 2025! Topic: Bazzite!

by Tim Keller

Here we are, the last WLUG meeting for 2025! Time: 7PM Date: December 11th, 2025 Location: Technocopia, 44 Portland St. Worcester MA. Virtual Location: https://meet.jit.si/WlugMA Topic: Gaming on Linux! I'm going to be showing off my bazzite powered gaming desktop (that my wife is going to be the primary driver on) In the past I've had lots of conversations with potential linux users that go something like "Linux is so cool, but about my games.." and then the conversation gets awkward. I know there's some complicated stuff going on at Steam, but one thing they have done as a company is really pushed the envelope for gaming on linux. Bazzite aims to be a distro that just has it all working out of the box and makes use of the silver/blue bootc environment to make the machine more resilient to novice linux users that might accidentally break something or lose power mid upgrade, etc. I'm sure it's going to be a lively discussion and there will be lots to talk about. I also know that Technocopia is doing a xmas party / maker swap so we'll want to be respectful to them as well. As always afterwards we'll head out for some dinner and keep the conversation going. Thanks, Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

Dec. 10, 2025

WLUG Meeting December 11th 2025! Topic: Bazzite

by Tim Keller

Hey Everybody! Here are the details: Date: December 11th, 2025 @ 7pm Location: Technocopia, 44 Portland Ave. Worcester Ma. Virtual Location: https://meet.jit.si/WlugMA Topic: Bazzite Wow, it's been a crazy year! I'm going to do a quick talk on bazzite. A linux distribution focused on gaming. Atomic in nature it's focused on providing a great stable gaming environment. This is a topic that's hitting close to me as my wife's gaming windows 10 machine is incapable of running win11.. My hope is that this will do everything she needs to do and more. Hopefully I'll have a demo to do as well showing off a machine running bazzite. After the meeting we'll head off for dinner and continue the conversation! I hope to see you there! Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

Dec. 3, 2025

Re: Reminder! Meeting TONIGHT!!! 11/19 Location: Technocopia, Topic: Jujitsu

by John Stoffel

Evan, Thanks so much for your talk wednesday, it was really interesting to learn about all these new tools. Insprired me to improve my workflow as well when I use git. And thank you for all the references and links to primary sources, that really helps alot! Cheers, John

Nov. 21, 2025

Re: Reminder! Meeting TONIGHT!!! 11/19 Location: Technocopia, Topic: Jujitsu

by Evan White

We had a great discussion mostly about Jujutsu, and the philosophy of Git commit organization, giraffe violence, etc. This is the main resource that got me acquainted with jj https://maddie.wtf/posts/2025-07-21-jujutsu-for-busy-devs and otherwise jjui exposes a lot of jj functionality intuitively. I've also reviewed a lot of this more step-by-step comprehensive guide at https://steveklabnik.github.io/jujutsu-tutorial/. Here's a list of the auxiliary tools we looked at, which will require little extra config to set up with jj. Most of these can also be used with plain git. * Difftastic https://github.com/Wilfred/difftastic syntax-aware diff renderer * Mergiraf https://mergiraf.org/ resolves or narrows merge conflicts safely using syntax-aware algorithms * opencode https://opencode.ai/ a FOSS provider-agnostic TUI for AI coding (I am working on opencode features that closely integrate with my usage of jj) * jjui https://github.com/idursun/jjui a modal TUI with helpful hints Some more emerging topics from usage of jj: * Immutable changes: The log shows a blue diamond instead of an empty circle node for tree segments that are immutable, which protects shared history (usually remote-only branches) from all the methods you would normally use modify commits in jj. * Stacked pull requests: I don't wait for pull requests to be merged before I start working on more on top of their work. It's easy to rebase the stacked work for another PR when the first one gets merged. This does risk my time being spent on more code that gets thrown away if a PR is rejected, but writing and learning from code is not considered wasted time by me. * Optimizing the graph for review: We discussed the balance of whether the entire history should be preserved in Git, and I prefer to keep a balance of preserving history and splitting/squashing commits into more functional steps that can be easily reviewed by others. Jujutsu locally preserves the evolution of each change across the commits behind it, and has a rich undo system, so I don't lose my raw history that I might need to recover in anger. Still, I can intentionally organize commits with a balance of reviewability, preserving the intentions behind changes, demonstrating evolution of a large change, etc. * Megamerges: If I have any number of open and/or stacked pull requests that I want to test all together, I can set them as parents to a single merge commit. This is easy and conflict-free when they deal with different functional areas in a codebase, but finding 3+ sided merge conflicts can be a signal that I need to reconsider how I've organized my changes. * Absorb: For each hunk in a change, this jj command will automatically squash them into adjacent/overlapping hunks further up the tree. This allows you to hack away at the tip of the tree, then instead of choosing where to squash disparate edits, absorb will squash them into any non-immutable commit for you. This works for merged branches as well, so I can e.g. absorb doc changes into my docs PR branch, and absorb the feature changes into the feature PR branch. ________________________________ From: Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2025 5:14 PM To: Worcester Linux Users' Group General Discussion <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> Cc: Tim Keller <turbofx(a)gmail.com> Subject: [WLUG] Reminder! Meeting TONIGHT!!! 11/19 Location: Technocopia, Topic: Jujitsu Hey Everybody, We've got a meeting this WEDNESDAY. The fine folks at Technocopia have graciously allowed us to use their space on a non open hack night. Thanks!! Here are the details: Time: 7PM Date: 11/19 Location: Technocopia Virtual Location: https://meet.jit.si/WlugMA Topic: Jujitsu https://jj-vcs.github.io/jj/latest/ Fellow WLUGer Evan White is going to do a presentation about Jujitsu. While using the git internals it has a different workflow than the one us daily git users are used to. Evan is going to show off how he uses it and maybe convince a couple of us to give it a try! Afterward we'll head out for dinner and keep the conversation going! Hope to see you there! Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

Nov. 20, 2025

Re: Reminder we've got a meeting tonight! Topic: JetKVM!

by John Stoffel

Guys, Tim and I are both running a little late tonight so please hold on and keep trying to join jitsi until 7:20 please! John Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 13, 2025, at 5:46 PM, Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > > > We've got a meeting Tonight!! > Time: 7PM > Date: 2/13/2025 > Location: Technocopia, 44 Portland St. Worcester MA. > Virtual Location: https://meet.jit.si/WlugMA > Topic: JetKVM > Long time WLUG Member John Stoffel is going to be demoing his JetKVM (https://jetkvm.com/) > It's a next generation KVM over IP that started as a kickstarter and is now a "real product". Fully hackable, this FOSS KVM has a bunch of neat features. > As usual expect a lively conversation, a cool demo and our usual shenanigans. > > Afterwards we'll likely head off for dinner and keep the conversation going! > > I hope to see you all there! > Later, > Tim. > > > -- > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers". > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/CBLYC…

Nov. 19, 2025

Reminder! Meeting TONIGHT!!! 11/19 Location: Technocopia, Topic: Jujitsu

by Tim Keller

Hey Everybody, We've got a meeting this WEDNESDAY. The fine folks at Technocopia have graciously allowed us to use their space on a non open hack night. Thanks!! Here are the details: Time: 7PM Date: 11/19 Location: Technocopia Virtual Location: https://meet.jit.si/WlugMA Topic: Jujitsu https://jj-vcs.github.io/jj/latest/ Fellow WLUGer Evan White is going to do a presentation about Jujitsu. While using the git internals it has a different workflow than the one us daily git users are used to. Evan is going to show off how he uses it and maybe convince a couple of us to give it a try! Afterward we'll head out for dinner and keep the conversation going! Hope to see you there! Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

Nov. 19, 2025