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Re: [Wlug] Sun's x86 Strategy

by Brian J. Conway

On Thu, 23 Dec 2004, Gary Hanley wrote: > Hello all. > > I came across this article today that some might find interesting. It touches > on Sun's disadvantage with regard to Solaris development costs compared to > Linux and how it plans to deal with that, as well as the probable demise of > UltraSparc. > > http://www.techuser.net/sunx86.html An interesting read, but people have been predicting "the death of Sparc" every year for the past 10 years (and let's not forget "this is the year of Linux on the everyman's desktop"). I'll believe both when I see them. ;) Brian J. Conway bconway(at)alum.wpi.edu "LINUX is obsolete" - Andrew S. Tanenbaum, creator of Minix - Jan 29, 1992

Dec. 23, 2004

Sun's x86 Strategy

by Gary Hanley

Hello all. I came across this article today that some might find interesting. It touches on Sun's disadvantage with regard to Solaris development costs compared to Linux and how it plans to deal with that, as well as the probable demise of UltraSparc. http://www.techuser.net/sunx86.html -- Gary

Dec. 23, 2004

Re: [Wlug] cheap Compaq at Staples

by Michelle Vadeboncoeur

On Thu, 23 Dec 2004, Chuck Haines wrote: CH>Any link for this or is this a in-store only? My dad is looking for a CH>new desktop for cheap and doesn't need much and this would be perfect CH>for him. http://instorespecials.staples.com/ I looked at the Dec. 19 - Dec. 24 circulars ("Current Circular") for both Worcester MA (storeid=2401091) and Boston MA (storeID=2421006), and there are no Compaq products listed in the weekly flyer. I also checked with http://www.salescircular.com/ma.shtml , and I didn't find any computer system selling for $199.94 this week in MA among the stores they follow (store list is here: http://www.salescircular.com/storedtl.html ). I also checked with http://www.saleshound.com/saleshound/store_list.asp and searched for "Compaq" at stores 50 miles from Boston, MA, and there were no results. Is the $199.94 Compaq Presario listed in the Boston Globe a special for a particular store, or is it maybe in next week's flyers? -- --==*==-- --==*==-- Michelle R. Vadeboncoeur --==*==-- --==*==-- mrv(a)kluge.net: http://www.kluge.net/~mrv/

Dec. 23, 2004

Re: [Wlug] cheap Compaq at Staples

by Gary Hanley

On Thu, 23 Dec 2004, Jeff Moyer wrote: > And this gets back to the part from my previous email that you conveniently > left out: > I wouldn't call HT irrelevant. It really depends on your workload. I thought I responded to that. Anyway, my end-point is that dual-core/multi-core will be much more relevant than Hyperthreading will EVER be. > Having said that, what influences *my* buying decision is > sharkeyextreme.com. But I like to game. ;-) I used to read Sharky until he sold the site a few years back and it became rather dull. I haven't looked since then so maybe it's much better now...? I usually read: http://www.anandtech.com/ http://www.aceshardware.com/ -- Gary

Dec. 23, 2004

Re: [Wlug] cheap Compaq at Staples

by Jeff Moyer

==> Regarding Re: [Wlug] cheap Compaq at Staples; Gary Hanley <gary(a)hanley.net> adds: gary> On Thu, 23 Dec 2004, Jeff Moyer wrote: >> Under Linux, the SMP kernel has provisions to deal with HT. I'm sure >> Windows XP does, as well. As such, it isn't necessary for applications >> to directly take advantage of HT. gary> Sure, but how much of a boost is that going to get you from an app gary> that is single-threaded? I would argue that it is not enough to gary> influence a buying decision. And this gets back to the part from my previous email that you conveniently left out: I wouldn't call HT irrelevant. It really depends on your workload. Having said that, what influences *my* buying decision is sharkeyextreme.com. But I like to game. ;-) -Jeff

Dec. 23, 2004

Re: [Wlug] cheap Compaq at Staples

by Scott Venier

Gary Hanley said: > On Thu, 23 Dec 2004, Jeff Moyer wrote: > > Sure, but how much of a boost is that going to get you from an app that > is single-threaded? I would argue that it is not enough to influence a > buying decision. > It won't get you any boost on a single threaded app, but my linux box has 20 users logged into it right now, each running a different process as well as web, mail, dns, and mysql servers all running. Having the ability to schedule more then process at a time is an overall boost for my system. Of course, it's not as much of a boost as a dual core or dual CPU would be, but I'll take what I can get. Scott

Dec. 23, 2004

Re: [Wlug] cheap Compaq at Staples

by Gary Hanley

On Thu, 23 Dec 2004, Jeff Moyer wrote: > Under Linux, the SMP kernel has provisions to deal with HT. I'm sure > Windows XP does, as well. As such, it isn't necessary for applications to > directly take advantage of HT. Sure, but how much of a boost is that going to get you from an app that is single-threaded? I would argue that it is not enough to influence a buying decision. -- Gary

Dec. 23, 2004

Re: [Wlug] cheap Compaq at Staples

by Jeff Moyer

==> Regarding Re: [Wlug] cheap Compaq at Staples; Gary Hanley <gary(a)hanley.net> adds: gary> On Thu, 23 Dec 2004, Jeff Moyer wrote: >> I wouldn't call HT irrelevant. It really depends on your workload. gary> How about somewhat irrelevant? gary> I'm sure there are some apps that take advantage of it right now, but gary> I think that we won't see significant benefit until dual-cores gary> arrive. Under Linux, the SMP kernel has provisions to deal with HT. I'm sure Windows XP does, as well. As such, it isn't necessary for applications to directly take advantage of HT. >> As always, it depends. What is the price point? What is the machine >> actually going to be used for? gary> Hypertransport is a whole different animal compared to gary> Hyperthreading. gary> Apples and Oranges for sure. Right. -Jeff

Dec. 23, 2004

Re: [Wlug] cheap Compaq at Staples

by Gary Hanley

On Thu, 23 Dec 2004, Jeff Moyer wrote: > I wouldn't call HT irrelevant. It really depends on your workload. How about somewhat irrelevant? I'm sure there are some apps that take advantage of it right now, but I think that we won't see significant benefit until dual-cores arrive. > As always, it depends. What is the price point? What is the machine > actually going to be used for? Hypertransport is a whole different animal compared to Hyperthreading. Apples and Oranges for sure. -- Gary

Dec. 23, 2004

Re: [Wlug] cheap Compaq at Staples

by Chuck Haines

Any link for this or is this a in-store only? My dad is looking for a new desktop for cheap and doesn't need much and this would be perfect for him. CH On Wed, 22 Dec 2004 21:29:45 -0500, Bill Mills-Curran <bill(a)mills-curran.net> wrote: > Staples has a low-priced machine advertised in the Globe: $199.94 for > a Compaq Presario with an AMD Sempron processor. Any idea how this > might work with Linux? I picked up a cheap Compaq at Walmart a year > ago, and I returned it because it was such a dog. > > TIA, > Bill > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > -- Chuck Haines chaines(a)gmail.com ------------------------------------------- Tau Kappa Epsilon Fraternity TKE-ZM Web Coordinator ECE Systems Administrator ------------------------------------------- AIM: CyberGrex YIM: CyberGrex_27 ICQ: 3707881 ------------------------------------------- GPG Fingerprint: 303A AB50 4EA9 70ED 2E30 2368 C9CD CCB5 4BD7 0989 GPG Key: http://www.maxslack.com/gpgkey.txt

Dec. 23, 2004

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