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Re: x11 on ubunt24

by Tim Keller

I'd never even heard of X2go! These days I'm a heavy user of NoMachine <https://nomachine.com>. Tim. On Tue, Apr 8, 2025 at 12:38 PM John Stoffel via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > >>>>> "Kevin" == Kevin Stratton via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > > > This might be old news, but Ubunt 24.0.X can still run X11 > > > https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/how-to-switch-from-x11-to-wayland-on-live-ub… > > > CodeLight is no longer seems to lock up and a Steam/wine game I play > > seems to start without errors. I have not spent much time testing > > this. > > I ran into this just in the past few weeks. I got a new desktop > system for home and installed Ubuntu 24.10 (?) as a test, usualy I use > linux Mint for my desktop. Anyway... x2go wouldn't work when > connecting to another system, so I googled a bit and figured out I > needed to change my desktop to use X11 instead of Wayland. > > Once I did that, it was ok. > > I can dig up details if people need them. > John > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/UU5BY… > -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

April 8, 2025

Re: x11 on ubunt24

by John Stoffel

>>>>> "Kevin" == Kevin Stratton via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > This might be old news, but Ubunt 24.0.X can still run X11 > https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/how-to-switch-from-x11-to-wayland-on-live-ub… > CodeLight is no longer seems to lock up and a Steam/wine game I play > seems to start without errors. I have not spent much time testing > this. I ran into this just in the past few weeks. I got a new desktop system for home and installed Ubuntu 24.10 (?) as a test, usualy I use linux Mint for my desktop. Anyway... x2go wouldn't work when connecting to another system, so I googled a bit and figured out I needed to change my desktop to use X11 instead of Wayland. Once I did that, it was ok. I can dig up details if people need them. John

April 8, 2025

Meeting this Thursday!! April 10th 2025!

by Tim Keller

Hey Everybody! We've got a meeting this week! Time: 7pm Date: April 10th 2025 Location: Technocopia 44 portland st. Worcester MA Virtual Location: https://meet.jit.si/WlugMA Topic: Oh.. so much to talk about! Kernel 6.14 and ntsync, gaming on linux, patch frequency, X11 vs Wayland, docker desktop, k3s! I expect we'll diverge into half a dozen other topics as well. Afterwards we'll head off for dinner and keep talking. Thanks, Tim. I'd also like to start a new trend and that's to spend a few minutes at the end of each meeting agreeing on a topic (or at least an idea) for a topic for next month. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

April 8, 2025

Re: x11 on ubunt24

by Tim Keller

Yeah! I'm still not convinced that wayland is better. I've got a number of apps that are just broken on wayland still. Tim. On Sun, Apr 6, 2025 at 9:10 PM Kevin Stratton via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > This might be old news, but Ubunt 24.0.X can still run X11 > > > https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/how-to-switch-from-x11-to-wayland-on-live-ub… > > CodeLight is no longer seems to lock up and a Steam/wine game I play > seems to start without errors. I have not spent much time testing this. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/BIW7X… > -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

April 7, 2025

x11 on ubunt24

by Kevin Stratton

This might be old news, but Ubunt 24.0.X can still run X11 https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/how-to-switch-from-x11-to-wayland-on-live-ub… CodeLight is no longer seems to lock up and a Steam/wine game I play seems to start without errors. I have not spent much time testing this.

April 7, 2025

Re: If flight simulators are you thing!!

by dmildram＠gmail.com

Clueless about flight simulators! Can't even (barely) find and work controls on .....wow, google-earth-pro (free) with an obscure flight simulator you can get+run on linux! Did anyone try and/or get much control of airplane on....(i posted this a year ago, mar2024) Stumbled into install cmds for google EARTH PRO (free), worked on Linux Mint20. 1) wget https://dl.google.com/dl/earth/client/current/google-earth-pro-stable_curre… (result: GOT a 58mb file named google-earth-pro-stable_current_amd64.deb) 2) sudo dpkg -i google-earth-pro-stable_current_amd64.deb (output: Preparing to unpack google-earth-pro-stable_current_amd64.deb ... Unpacking google-earth-pro-stable (7.3.6.9796-r0) ... Setting up google-earth-pro-stable (7.3.6.9796-r0) ... Processing triggers for man-db (2.9.1-1) ... Processing triggers for desktop-file-utils (0.24+linuxmint1) ... Processing triggers for mime-support (3.64ubuntu1) ... (DONE). LAUNCH TO OUTER SPACE: 3) $ google-earth-pro If you see a few continents from space, good but here's the fun: ========First zoom to somewhere you know, use upper LH Search, enter your address or fun place. Adjust eyes, or ignore briefly, fuzzy view of map,streets,trees,whatever. The fuzziness disappears or changes, if you enter Flight Simulator from here. ==== PULL DOWN MENU for "Tools" has "Enter Flight Simulator". Choose the slower plane, not the F-16 jet if you suck like I do. The mouse now flies the plane. I want to skim over my hood. I use my four arrow keys , mouse-moves work too but I flip out. I know I'm missing some kind of flight/plane control, should RTFM if there is one. I thought Flaps controlled pitch/up/down, but my Flaps stay at 40% and I crash in hilarious various mistakes every minute or so. What fun! Resume Flight brings all control back so off you go to die again....

April 6, 2025

Re: Reboot required questions

by dmildram＠gmail.com

I sent a longer reply an hour ago, but you've been temporarily spared (got a "await Moderator" email reply due to "Message contains administrivia", cool, what software is our forum on now/again? THANKS Moderator(s)). 2 new semi-concise/stage1 questions for OP/Ron: Q1: How old is computer, do you do backups, is your HardDisk still oldschool spinning platters? (if you still use an old(er) HD, I'd rethink the concept of nightly shutdown. Platter shaft grease gets old/hard -> sticky/striction HD ...may decide not to spin up someday. But a tiny hammer on the HD during powerup could revive...I'll never forget the day TWO of my NetApp HD's on a raid5 (ONE dead disk allowed to rebuild itself, not raid6 which can survive 2 dead disks. My server room had been powered off all night due to a bldg planned night of shutdown! And the backup robot my CA boss sent me, was failing to do sane backups for my MAss/work servers for past weeks on that NetApp. A revisit to server room with sm hammer, a few taps, got one stuck HD to spin, NetApp rebuilt the raid5 ! ) Q2: if "losing my personal files" is the biggest worry (shouldn't it be?), do you have your personal data on a 2nd disk of any speed, to augment an SSD for the OS ? Secondary worries of course include nuisance of having to reload OS+me if the Update Manager makes a giant mess, which (apparently never happens) || (...not to me, ever) long as linux auto-updates have existed in/on my dwindling beasts/zoo. OS magic/behind-scenes: I do believe on instinct that the Update temporary files are stashed to LOCAL HD so you can even do your finish-update bootUP with No Freaking Network up. Hope my aging gut remains right on that.

April 6, 2025

Re: Reboot required questions

by Doug Mildram

doug> I was gonna reply, but my desktop Linux rebooted - oops my bad..Drafts to the rescue. Guess why my desktop rebooted? I was messing around trying to peek at Quit options ........musta highlighted Shut Down. I caused my own black screen of reboot/death! Ha. But I had Mint/etc updates waiting. I ALWAYS have them waiting. (except just now/rebooted). Gory detail/thoughts on your Q?: I can't think of a reason to fea of your current favored Choice2 below: Choice1: "reboot required" --> shut down now. Fire up tomorrow. OS patches ...mmm, nothing eye catching in the list that pops up on GUI/Mint/MATE on behalf of UpdateManager (not SoftwareManager), the bugger that pesters me, adds popups 1x/day or such... ,,,As you sneak-away/ponder "ready to reboot/shutdown?" you wonder when you feel like peeking at the update list. Choice2, (via any method ...click,allow,bless your imminent death, via anything like GUI choice Quit->Shut Down which probably invokes something like "shutdown --?" couple flags like *-h* The same as *--poweroff*, but does not override the action to take if it is "halt". E.g. *shutdown --reboot -h *means "poweroff", but *shutdown --halt -h *means "halt". Oh, gory! Anyways, the answer seems (always?) dependent on time/patience. Pardon the tangent now, if you're here, I'm amazed: "poweroff" however that really works with "shutdown" or other trick, might vary....... motherboard/etc might get a signal and take a real nap.. If you have hard disks, not SD, beware a days-long sleep ...sticky platter shaft/bearing... (choice3) If I was feeing Totally Watchful, I'd reboot, watch...Log In, ...then Quit. Inevitably=-> "Log In", and boring.....see what Update Manager sees in its playpen. Debates,topics, questions could easily continue if interesting! ---the bottom line might be what's the processes(session, service?) of greatest interest for you on your (desktop)? I leave/let a 2010 Dell Opti w Mint 20.1 sleep on its own, SanDisk HD/root good since 2018/2019?. 500gb/disk1 (disk2 for "your data" helps for long life). CPU Fans still orig and quiet, a miracle! --doug On Sat, Apr 5, 2025 at 4:37 PM The Hammer via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > I usually run any updates on my Linux machine after I'm done using the > machine for the day. > > Sometimes the update the system says "reboot required" At that point I > close the active window. Hit restart, let the machine start up, reboot, > and then I sign in again before shutting down for the night. > > My question is: can I instead just shut down and wait until the next day > to start up the computer? > > (I've read on line that I need a "proper" shut down. With all the text > flashing at hyper speed I wonder if I do shut down or even start up > properly) > > Ron > > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/3GBTB… >

April 5, 2025

Re: Reboot required questions

by Robert Krawitz

On 4/5/25 16:36, The Hammer via WLUG wrote: > I usually run any updates on my Linux machine after I'm done using the machine for the day. > > Sometimes the update the system says "reboot required" At that point I close the active window. Hit > restart, let the machine start up, reboot, and then I sign in again before shutting down for the night. > > My question is: can I instead just shut down and wait until the next day to start up the computer? Yes, that has the same effect. The only caveat is if there's a problem with the update you won't spot it until the next day. > (I've read on line that I need a "proper" shut down. With all the text flashing at hyper speed I > wonder if I do shut down or even start up properly) If you're using the shutdown in GNOME/KDE/whatever, that's a "proper" shutdown.

April 5, 2025

Reboot required questions

by The Hammer

I usually run any updates on my Linux machine after I'm done using the machine for the day. Sometimes the update the system says "reboot required" At that point I close the active window. Hit restart, let the machine start up, reboot, and then I sign in again before shutting down for the night. My question is: can I instead just shut down and wait until the next day to start up the computer? (I've read on line that I need a "proper" shut down. With all the text flashing at hyper speed I wonder if I do shut down or even start up properly) Ron

April 5, 2025