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Re: IPv6, are you using it, should we be using it?

by Keith Wright

Frank Sweetser via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > Until someone figures out a way to make designing, building, and operating IPv6 > devices and networks cheaper than what we already have running on IPv4, nothing > much is going to change. > >> On Sat, Apr 12, 2025, 11:04 AM steve--- via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> >> wrote: >> >> I’ve been adding more and more matter/thread devices to my home and >> since I’ve seen more local ipv6 addresses I’ve tried enabling Ipv6 >> fully. BUT, Ive had struggles adding matter devices. >> >> Is this just older hardware choices like we have to create a 2.4 GHz >> only network? Is the world of devices not yet ready for IPv6? What are >> your thoughts on it? >> >> Steve Thibault >> I had no idea what is a matter/thread device. Google found a few explanations. Gotta say those are really stupid names and already used by philosophers and OS developers for much more important things. No matter. You remind me that I had a web page that I had forgotten about that recounts my experience with IPv6. Bottom line tldr: It works. I'm not surprised that matter/threads doesn't. "Any sufficiently advanced technology is no more reliable than magic." Fortunately, I don't care. I like switches that click and turn the power off and on when you push them. -- Keith PS: Where does the IPv5 Users Group meet?

April 12, 2025

Re: IPv6, are you using it, should we be using it?

by Frank Sweetser

<drags out soapbox...> I distinctly remember doing my first reading on IPv6 a full 30 years ago. Since then I've seen some serious pushes to make IPv6 support ubiquitous, including World IPv6 Day, federal government requirements for full IPv6 support, and at least one site that offered unlimited free porn exclusively over IPv6. Despite all of this work, the only success stories I've ever read of around IPv6 have been carriers and hyperscalers that needed IPv6 because their internal infrastructure grew beyond RFC1918 space, and IETF conferences bragging how they enabled some new IPv6 feature... for the conference. At the end of the day, I don't believe the economics will ever favor IPv6. I have yet to see a widespread problem where the cost of adding more duct tape to IPv4 is higher than the cost of switching to IPv6. With customers not demanding IPv6 capable only systems from vendors, IPv6 support is always going to come second to IPv4, and any other features that actually drive revenue. Until someone figures out a way to make designing, building, and operating IPv6 devices and networks cheaper than what we already have running on IPv4, nothing much is going to change. Side note: if anyone wants to read some interesting opinions on IPv6 from the technical side, IPSpace has a ton of great articles: https://blog.ipspace.net/tag/ipv6/ On Sat, Apr 12, 2025 at 11:12 AM Tracie Winslow via WLUG < wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > I believe IPv6 will never be universally used unless there's genuinely no > choice for anyone. We're out of IPv4 addresses, but technologies like NAT > are making that workable (so far). > > > *"For a long time it seemed to me that life was about to begin - real > life. But there was always some obstacle in the way, something to be gotten > through first, some unfinished business, time still to be served, a debt to > be paid. At last it dawned on me that these obstacles were my life. This > perspective has helped me to see there is no way to happiness. Happiness is > the way. So treasure every moment you have and remember that time waits for > no one."*- Souza > > On Sat, Apr 12, 2025, 11:04 AM steve--- via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> > wrote: > >> I’ve been adding more and more matter/thread devices to my home and since >> I’ve seen more local ipv6 addresses I’ve tried enabling Ipv6 fully. BUT, >> Ive had struggles adding matter devices. >> >> Is this just older hardware choices like we have to create a 2.4 GHz only >> network? Is the world of devices not yet ready for IPv6? What are your >> thoughts on it? >> >> >> Steve Thibault >> >> _______________________________________________ >> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ >> Change Settings: >> https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ >> Web Forum/Archive: >> https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/KWDHR… >> > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/4H2H7… > -- - Frank

April 12, 2025

Re: IPv6, are you using it, should we be using it?

by Tracie Winslow

I believe IPv6 will never be universally used unless there's genuinely no choice for anyone. We're out of IPv4 addresses, but technologies like NAT are making that workable (so far). *"For a long time it seemed to me that life was about to begin - real life. But there was always some obstacle in the way, something to be gotten through first, some unfinished business, time still to be served, a debt to be paid. At last it dawned on me that these obstacles were my life. This perspective has helped me to see there is no way to happiness. Happiness is the way. So treasure every moment you have and remember that time waits for no one."*- Souza On Sat, Apr 12, 2025, 11:04 AM steve--- via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > I’ve been adding more and more matter/thread devices to my home and since > I’ve seen more local ipv6 addresses I’ve tried enabling Ipv6 fully. BUT, > Ive had struggles adding matter devices. > > Is this just older hardware choices like we have to create a 2.4 GHz only > network? Is the world of devices not yet ready for IPv6? What are your > thoughts on it? > > > Steve Thibault > > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/KWDHR… >

April 12, 2025

IPv6, are you using it, should we be using it?

by steve＠patternsoft.net

I’ve been adding more and more matter/thread devices to my home and since I’ve seen more local ipv6 addresses I’ve tried enabling Ipv6 fully. BUT, Ive had struggles adding matter devices. Is this just older hardware choices like we have to create a 2.4 GHz only network? Is the world of devices not yet ready for IPv6? What are your thoughts on it? Steve Thibault

April 12, 2025

Re: Meeting this Thursday!! April 10th 2025!

by Tim Keller

There's no request needed. The virtual meeting is open to everybody and for Technocopia, just show up. We welcome all. Thanks, Tim. On Fri, Apr 11, 2025 at 9:05 AM steve--- via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > So I’d like to join today, but I haven’t joined you in for years, I’ve > been a silent viewer of the emails for some time. But how do I request to > join today? > > > Steve Thibault > > On Apr 8, 2025, at 8:35 AM, Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> > wrote: > > Hey Everybody! > > We've got a meeting this week! > Time: 7pm > Date: April 10th 2025 > Location: Technocopia 44 portland st. Worcester MA > Virtual Location: https://meet.jit.si/WlugMA > Topic: Oh.. so much to talk about! Kernel 6.14 and ntsync, gaming on > linux, patch frequency, X11 vs Wayland, docker desktop, k3s! > > I expect we'll diverge into half a dozen other topics as well. > Afterwards we'll head off for dinner and keep talking. > > Thanks, > Tim. > > I'd also like to start a new trend and that's to spend a few minutes at > the end of each meeting agreeing on a topic (or at least an idea) for a > topic for next month. > > -- > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their > constituents as "consumers". > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/RC3PC… > > > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/ARHUD… > -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

April 11, 2025

Re: Reminder!! We've got a meeting tonight!!

by Steve Thibault

Technocopia is having door troubles so they are saying to call up to have the door opened. > On Apr 10, 2025, at 4:27 PM, Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > > > We've got a meeting tonight!! > Time: 7pm > Date: April 10th 2025 > Location: Technocopia 44 portland st. Worcester MA > Virtual Location: https://meet.jit.si/WlugMA > Topic: Oh.. so much to talk about! Kernel 6.14 and ntsync, gaming on linux, patch frequency, X11 vs Wayland, docker desktop, k3s! > > I expect we'll diverge into half a dozen other topics as well. > Afterwards we'll head off for dinner and keep talking. > > Thanks, > Tim. > > -- > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers". > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/E5AD7…

April 10, 2025

Reminder!! We've got a meeting tonight!!

by Tim Keller

We've got a meeting tonight!! Time: 7pm Date: April 10th 2025 Location: Technocopia 44 portland st. Worcester MA Virtual Location: https://meet.jit.si/WlugMA Topic: Oh.. so much to talk about! Kernel 6.14 and ntsync, gaming on linux, patch frequency, X11 vs Wayland, docker desktop, k3s! I expect we'll diverge into half a dozen other topics as well. Afterwards we'll head off for dinner and keep talking. Thanks, Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

April 10, 2025

Re: Meeting this Thursday!! April 10th 2025!

by steve＠patternsoft.net

So I’d like to join today, but I haven’t joined you in for years, I’ve been a silent viewer of the emails for some time. But how do I request to join today? Steve Thibault > On Apr 8, 2025, at 8:35 AM, Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > > Hey Everybody! > > We've got a meeting this week! > Time: 7pm > Date: April 10th 2025 > Location: Technocopia 44 portland st. Worcester MA > Virtual Location: https://meet.jit.si/WlugMA > Topic: Oh.. so much to talk about! Kernel 6.14 and ntsync, gaming on linux, patch frequency, X11 vs Wayland, docker desktop, k3s! > > I expect we'll diverge into half a dozen other topics as well. > Afterwards we'll head off for dinner and keep talking. > > Thanks, > Tim. > > I'd also like to start a new trend and that's to spend a few minutes at the end of each meeting agreeing on a topic (or at least an idea) for a topic for next month. > > -- > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers". > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/RC3PC…

April 10, 2025

Re: x11 on ubunt24

by Robert Krawitz

On 4/8/25 18:16, John Stoffel via WLUG wrote: >>>>>> "Tim" == Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > >> I'd never even heard of X2go! >> These days I'm a heavy user of NoMachine. > > x2go is the opensource fork off the last NoMachine client. I love > using it, it's quick and fast and works nicely. It just fails > miserably on Wayland right now. > > With 95% of most linux users only using desktops or laptops, and not > doing remote desktops across WAN connections, they don't realize how > poor wayland is for that type of work. I'm not even sure if Wayland > works ok for LAN based remote desktops, though mostly I think VNC > works ok for that. I'm not aware of any VNC client for KDE on Wayland, anyway (rather annoying that each compositor has to reimplement the same functionality).

April 8, 2025

Re: x11 on ubunt24

by John Stoffel

>>>>> "Tim" == Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > I'd never even heard of X2go! > These days I'm a heavy user of NoMachine. x2go is the opensource fork off the last NoMachine client. I love using it, it's quick and fast and works nicely. It just fails miserably on Wayland right now. With 95% of most linux users only using desktops or laptops, and not doing remote desktops across WAN connections, they don't realize how poor wayland is for that type of work. I'm not even sure if Wayland works ok for LAN based remote desktops, though mostly I think VNC works ok for that.

April 8, 2025