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Re: [Wlug] text mailer recommendation?

by Charles R. Anderson

On Tue, Nov 25, 2003 at 06:03:02PM -0500, Bill Mills-Curran wrote: > Text-based because I work across a WAN when I access home email from > work & vice-versa. Mutt is included with all recent Red Hat distros, and sounds like what you are looking for: http://www.mutt.org/ "Though written from scratch, Mutt's initial interface was based largely on the ELM mail client. To a large extent, Mutt is still very ELM-like in presentation of information in menus (and in fact, ELM users will find it quite painless to switch as the default key bindings are identical). As development progressed, features found in other popular clients such as PINE and MUSH have been added, the result being a hybrid, or "mutt." At present, it most closely resembles the SLRN news client. Mutt was originally written by Michael Elkins but is now developed and maintained by the members of the Mutt development mailing list." > Connection to xemacs & the gnuclient interface. (I wrote a perl > script to do it.) Mutt can probably be interfaced to gnuclient with perl too. You can set your editor to be anything you want. I tend to use GNU Nano, a Pico clone, since that's where I came from. > It would be nice if my address book ported to the replacement > mailer. Should be simple to convert your Pine address book to a Mutt aliases file: http://www.diku.dk/~pink/pine2mutt_aliases.pl > Interface to LDAP address book server. Mutt can do this: http://mailman.efn.org/pipermail/eug-lug/2003-March/001957.html http://www.citi.umich.edu/u/marius/mutt-ldap.pl > Any suggestions about replacements or just building pine myself? Are > there really problems that make it unattractive? The primary driving force behind me switching away from Pine a couple years ago was the discussion of licensing, and how Pine doesn't fit the definitions of Free or Open Source software. As a result, my situation was very similar to yours, and I customized Mutt to be very similar to Pine w.r.t. key bindings, etc. Feel free to E-mail me if you are interested in my configuration files, or if there is enough interest I can post them here... -- Charles R. Anderson <cra(a)wpi.edu> / http://angus.ind.wpi.edu/~cra/ PGP Key ID: 49BB5886 Fingerprint: EBA3 A106 7C93 FA07 8E15 3AC2 C367 A0F9 49BB 5886

Nov. 25, 2003

text mailer recommendation?

by Bill Mills-Curran

I'm a pine user, and I was looking at the release notes for fedora core 1. Pine is not included due to license and "long term maintenance" issues. I've enjoyed using pine for 8 or more years, and I really like it. I'm disappointed that it won't be continued under Red Hat. (I know I could install it myself. Maybe that's the right answer.) Although I'm not enthusiastic about switching mailers, maybe it's time. My needs are pretty basic: Text-based because I work across a WAN when I access home email from work & vice-versa. Connection to xemacs & the gnuclient interface. (I wrote a perl script to do it.) It would be nice if my address book ported to the replacement mailer. Interface to LDAP address book server. Any suggestions about replacements or just building pine myself? Are there really problems that make it unattractive? TIA, Bill

Nov. 25, 2003

Re: [Wlug] upgrading suse 7.2 to 8.1

by doug waud

Hi Gregory Avedissian wrote: > > Doug, > > Thanks for the info and the link (snip, snip) I need to get > the pro version on cd. I have it and you are welcome to borrow it. (Note how this does not have to be done surrepticiously a la MicroSoft ! :-) ). I can always bring them to the next WLUG meeting if that is easiest. Otherwise, perhaps we could meet somewhere. Let me know. (I live in the north end of Shrewsbury.) I do want them back since I still have that version running on my grandkids boxes. doug

Nov. 25, 2003

Re: [Wlug] Digitally signed e-mails

by brad noyes

On Monday 24 November 2003 10:12, Mike Frysinger wrote: > > My question is this: how do I get someone's public key ? > > with kmail/gnupg it *can* be automagic ... otherwise you could just use the > web interfaces keyservers (like the mit one) provide or the cmdline > interface gnupg provides (it's harsh :D) > here's some nice options i use in my ~/.gnupg/gpg.conf file: > keyserver x-hkp://pgp.mit.edu > keyserver-options auto-key-retrieve > keyserver-options verbose > keyserver-options verbose > keyserver-options verbose There is a KDE front end, kgpg, which is a seperate app, but will be part of the kdenetwork module in the kde3.2 release, sometime in february. It handles importing keys from a key server as well as other gpg functions through a GUI. http://devel-home.kde.org/~kgpg/ --brad

Nov. 25, 2003

Re: [Wlug] Digitally signed e-mails

by Theo Van Dinter

On Mon, Nov 24, 2003 at 09:32:38AM -0500, Andy Stewart wrote: > This is clearly not a topic on which I can speak. I'm soliciting volunteers > who might like to address WLUG on this topic. Any takers for the January > meeting? My knowledge isn't such that I can speak about it at length either, but I have held some key signing "parties" (namely the 2 at LISA 2003) and wouldn't mind organizing one for a WLUG meeting. :) -- Randomly Generated Tagline: "My stereo's half fixed," said Tom monotonously.

Nov. 24, 2003

Re: [Wlug] simple debian question

by Chuck Homic

On Mon, Nov 24, 2003 at 01:48:33PM -0500, Gregory Avedissian wrote: > Where do I put commands that I want executed immediately after bootup? > In suse, I put them in /etc/rc.d/boot.local, but debian has no such > directory or file. I just created a file called /etc/rc.d/local and ran "update-rc.d local defaults 99" (man update-rc.d for details) I don't know if that's "right" or not, but I know it works. > I notice that when I look at the home directory on the other system, the > owner is listed by the user number rather than the name, so what I've > done is to create a user in debian whose name is the same as the suse > number for the same user, so that user owns the suse user's home > directory, then change permissions so all users can read/write that > directory. That's pretty ugly, and I have to change permissions when I > reboot suse. There's gotta be an easier, cleaner way. You're right. You'll want to choose one single uid-to-username mapping and configure both systems to use it. You can change the numbers in /etc/passwd and /etc/group then chown all the user directories like you've just said. (But in this case, you do it just once.) -Chuck

Nov. 24, 2003

Re: [Wlug] simple debian question

by Baris Hasdemir

If I didn't get you wrong, you can edit the /etc/passwd files in both distributions, and set the user ID(UID) and group ID(GID) to same numbers, here is a sample: debian:x:500:100:,,,:/home/penguen:/bin/bash where 500 is the UID and 100 is the GID baris On Mon, 2003-11-24 at 13:48, Gregory Avedissian wrote: > Where do I put commands that I want executed immediately after bootup? > In suse, I put them in /etc/rc.d/boot.local, but debian has no such > directory or file. > > OK, I lied. Here's the real question. I have two linux installations on > the same box (suse 7.2 and debian woody). How do I arrange permissions > so that I can access the user's (my) home directory in the other > installation without rebooting to that other installation? > > I notice that when I look at the home directory on the other system, the > owner is listed by the user number rather than the name, so what I've > done is to create a user in debian whose name is the same as the suse > number for the same user, so that user owns the suse user's home > directory, then change permissions so all users can read/write that > directory. That's pretty ugly, and I have to change permissions when I > reboot suse. There's gotta be an easier, cleaner way. > > Thanks, > > Greg > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

Nov. 24, 2003

simple debian question

by Gregory Avedissian

Where do I put commands that I want executed immediately after bootup? In suse, I put them in /etc/rc.d/boot.local, but debian has no such directory or file. OK, I lied. Here's the real question. I have two linux installations on the same box (suse 7.2 and debian woody). How do I arrange permissions so that I can access the user's (my) home directory in the other installation without rebooting to that other installation? I notice that when I look at the home directory on the other system, the owner is listed by the user number rather than the name, so what I've done is to create a user in debian whose name is the same as the suse number for the same user, so that user owns the suse user's home directory, then change permissions so all users can read/write that directory. That's pretty ugly, and I have to change permissions when I reboot suse. There's gotta be an easier, cleaner way. Thanks, Greg

Nov. 24, 2003

Re: [Wlug] upgrading suse 7.2 to 8.1

by Gregory Avedissian

Doug, Thanks for the info and the link. As it turns out, the personal version is missing about 120 packages out of what I have installed. I recognized about 30 of them, and the download time is prohibitive. I need to get the pro version on cd. Meanwhile, I really wanted to know if XFree 4.x would work with my card, so I took a spare hard drive and installed debian woody. I installed xfree 4.1 and had to add the 3DLabs driver from xf3.3.6. Apparentlly, there's software to make driver work with the new version, and it works well. I no longer get little squares and dashes instead of letters on some programs. Makes it much easier to figure out which buttons to click when you can read the words. I'd tried debian a couple months ago and was unhappy with the installation process. Someone on this list suggested installing just the base system and then using apt-get to install the other packages I wanted. That seems to work out very well with almost everything (not ALSA). The other reason I wanted to upgrade was to be able to run a newer version of mozilla with junk mail controls. I'm using 1.4, and the junk filters work pretty well. In fact, they work so well that I haven't wanted to boot suse to get my mail. That's part of the reason it's taken me so long to get back to you on this. Thanks again, Greg doug waud wrote: > Hi > > Gregory Avedissian wrote: > >> I'm getting ready to upgrade from SuSE 7.2 to 8.1, and I have a little >> confusion and some questions. >> >> I'm going from 7.2 pro edition to 8.1 personal edition. Any ideas >> what's missing in the personal edition? > > > Up to version 7 SuSE used to list this comparison right on the box. Your > old 7.2 box should give a reasonably good idea of what the general > differnces are. The URL will give the same for 9 > http://www.suse.de/en/private/products/suse_linux/i386/packages.html > I could not find the equivalent for 8.x :-( > >> Attempting to replace what is installed, I get a list of conflicts, >> with advice to delete the old program, even if they don't have a >> replacement. I was surprised to see that balsa and gftp were listed >> as not having newer versions. Is this because they're not on the >> personal edition? I know they exist, because they're available at rpmfind > > > I am running 8.2 on this notebook I am writing on now and locate comes > up with both balsa and gftp (under Yast as uninstalled) so I suspect > they are just not on the personal edition. Also the 9.0 URL above > explicitly lists both in the professional and neither in the personal > edition. > >> The real issue - >> XFree 4.x doesn't seem to want to recognize my ELSA GLoria-L video >> card. Sax2 will run in 640x480 only, and I can't get it to run with >> the glint driver (the one that's supposed to work with this card). I >> tried doing this with the SuSE 8.2 evaluation disk, and I'm running >> into the same problems I had when I tried to upgrade to XFree 4.1 >> about a month ago. >> >> So here's the question - >> Can I upgrade to 8.1 without upgrading XFree? Better yet, if I upgrade >> the XFree, and it doesn't work, is there an easy way to return to the >> older version by using the CD's. Or do I have to manually back up >> /usr/X11R6 and /etc/X11 first, and then recopy them to get back to the >> older version? Will the rest of the SuSE 8.1 be pissed off about >> using XFree 3.3.6? > > > I am "underwhelmed" by Sax2's ability to get XFree right. I have just > been upgrading my desktop to SuSE 8.2 and the screen was all screwed up. > I finally went into /etc/X11/XF86Config and found that it seemed to > think my 1Meg video memory (I'm the last of the big time spenders!} was > 8 Meg. > I just put a VideoRam 1024 in the Device section, dd'd a couple of > 1280x1024 modes, defaulted to 8bit color depth, and X then ran fine. > > I believe you always have the choice of running either 4.x or 3.x but > confess I forget how you tell the beast which one to use. :-). I would > be very suprised if you could not get 4.x to work, but if that really > turns out to be the case, let me know and I'll root around and see if I > can recall the trick for forcing ti to use 3.x. > >> I suppose I could change the vid card, but I'd rather not spend any >> money, > > > That's my sort of guy! > >> and since this one is listed as working, I'd like to be able to get it >> to work. > > > And, as indicated above, you should be able to. > > doug > > PS The WLUG meeting tonight is a good place to get help from real > experts, for example, Andy Whatshisname, and others more knowledgable > than I. > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > >

Nov. 24, 2003

Re: [Wlug] Digitally signed e-mails

by Mike Frysinger

On Sunday 23 November 2003 14:00, Andy Stewart wrote: > While I was cleaning out my inbox e-mail folder, I ran across several > e-mails from WLUG members which were digitally signed. I've recently > upgraded to SuSE 9.0 and the 'new' version of KDE's Kmail flags these > e-mails in bright yellow. Kmail is telling me that I don't have the > senders public key available, and thus it isn't sure that the mail actually > camed from the claimed sender. you're probably using one of the latest versions of kmail so pgp integration is a breeze (i think this started around 3.1 with the inclusion of the Ägypten Project) http://kmail.kde.org/ http://www.gnupg.org/aegypten/ a pretty good HOWTO that is generic to any distro: http://kmail.kde.org/kmail-pgpmime-howto.html for you Gentoo wh0res: http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/gnupg-user.xml > My question is this: how do I get someone's public key ? with kmail/gnupg it *can* be automagic ... otherwise you could just use the web interfaces keyservers (like the mit one) provide or the cmdline interface gnupg provides (it's harsh :D) here's some nice options i use in my ~/.gnupg/gpg.conf file: keyserver x-hkp://pgp.mit.edu keyserver-options auto-key-retrieve keyserver-options verbose keyserver-options verbose keyserver-options verbose > 1) How do I know that the public key I'm given really belongs to the person > giving it ? Short of receiving it in person, and assuming that the person > isn't an imposter, I suppose I eventually have to limit my level of > paranoia to some level of trust. :-) you hit it exactly ... there is NO way of knowing for sure unless you meet the person in real life and swap each others keys right then and there (it's actually what a lot of developers do when they meet at places like Linuxworld ... it sets up the basic web of trust pgp is built on) ... but then again we dont all need that level of paranoia when talking with other random wlug users do we ? ;) -mike

Nov. 24, 2003