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Re: [Wlug] Free Kylix Seminar

by Keith Wright

> From: Doug Chamberlin <dchamberlin(a)ne.mediaone.net> > Cc: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > At 2/13/2001 11:41 AM (Tuesday), Keith Wright wrote: > >Is this pure Spam, or did some Wlug member express support > > Boy, are you showing your ignorance! And calling names, to boot! I > hope you are suitably humble when you actually find out what is > going on. Unfortunately, your tone makes me not want to enlighten > you at this time. OK, I guess that counts as support. I humbly apologize for name calling, but my ignorance is at least in part due to the fact that neither the original message nor the cited web site ever got around to saying: Marc> Kylix is their port of their development tools to linux! Thank you Marc. You write better than Borland.

Feb. 14, 2001

Re: [Wlug] old PCs

by Brian J. Conway

> I need some suggestion of what I can do with my 5 old PCs(133MH,16MB or > 32M RAM , 859MB Disk). Can you imagine a Beowulf cluster of these? (Score:-1, Lame) -b

Feb. 13, 2001

Re: [Wlug] old PCs

by Theo Van Dinter

On Tue, Feb 13, 2001 at 05:10:23PM -0500, Pedro Soria-Rodriguez wrote: > I have a 486/66 with 16 MB of RAM acting as a firewall/gateway/ftp > server/web server/account server/file server at home. Sure it doesn't > have huge amounts of users, but everything it does it does it pretty > fast. It just doesn't have X running. It has 2 network cards and it > connects to my cable modem on one side and to my internal (home) network > on the other. I do about the same at my home. It's about the same hardware (the CPU is actually a 486-upgrade-type chip, supposed to be a p75-esque), same RAM, 3GB hard drive, and an assortment of other random parts. Acts as: firewall/nat gateway, account server (nis), file server (nfs + smb), web proxy (squid), fake web server (perl script to serve out proxy.pac to internal web browsers), and internal name server (named/bind). It runs all of them well, except it's slow! Not because of the processor, but because of the RAM. Of the 16MB RAM, 12MB is used by squid to keep track of the proxy files/memory cache. Either the removal of the proxy or the addition or ram would make this thing jump through hoops. I want to add a real web server (apache w/ php) and MySQL, but am waiting to pick up some more RAM first. -- Randomly Generated Tagline: "Before you criticize someone, you should walk a mile in their shoes. That way, when you criticize them, you're a mile away and you have their shoes." - Zen Musings

Feb. 13, 2001

Re: [Wlug] old PCs

by Pedro Soria-Rodriguez

> Thanks a lot for the responses. Unfornunatly, I cannot give them away > yet. I just bought these machines at a very cheap price and so I want > to do some kind of linux networking with them. In addition, you don't Well, you can do many things. A P133 with 16 or 32 MB of RAM is a pretty good machine. I have a 486/66 with 16 MB of RAM acting as a firewall/gateway/ftp server/web server/account server/file server at home. Sure it doesn't have huge amounts of users, but everything it does it does it pretty fast. It just doesn't have X running. It has 2 network cards and it connects to my cable modem on one side and to my internal (home) network on the other. So a P133 has plenty of power to do "some kind of networking". -- Pedro Soria-Rodriguez sorrodp(a)alum.wpi.edu

Feb. 13, 2001

Re: [Wlug] old PCs

by Leon Do

Thanks a lot for the responses. Unfornunatly, I cannot give them away yet. I just bought these machines at a very cheap price and so I want to do some kind of linux networking with them. In addition, you don't want those PCs because of shipping is about the same as the costs. (I am not from MA) Leon Do Bill Mills-Curran wrote: > > On Tue, 13 Feb 2001, Leon Do wrote: > > > Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 09:04:16 -0500 > > From: Leon Do <leondo(a)lucent.com> > > Reply-To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > Subject: [Wlug] old PCs > > > > I need some suggestion of what I can do with my 5 old PCs(133MH,16MB or > > 32M RAM , 859MB Disk). > > > > Thanks a lot > > > > Leon Do > > _______________________________________________ > > Wlug mailing list > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > Leon, > > I'm glad you asked... > > <start charity opportunity message> :-) > > You may have read in a recent Boston Globe about Sudanese teenagers > who are being hosted by an organization in the US. (Forgive this and > future vagueness -- my wife has more accurate info.) These are kids > who have grown up without home or family, roaming in groups of kids > around Africa. > > To make a long story short, some of these kids are here in MA and are > in homes, some of which do not have computers. These kids need some > computers to do their homework. > > Clearly, these kids are NOT techno-geeks, so Linux is probably not a > good thing for them to start with. (I hate windows too, but these > kids need something that is "standard" for school work.) > > If anyone in WLUG can cook up a Win95 or Win98 machine, I'll work to > get it to the right place. > > Thanks, > Bill Mills-Curran > 508 836-3160 (home) > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug -- Leon Do Lucent Technologies eServices Group 200 Lucent Lane Cary, NC 27511 email: leondo(a)lucent.com fax : (919) 463-4379 ph : (919) 463-3149

Feb. 13, 2001

Re: [Wlug] Free Kylix Seminar

by Marc Hughes

Kylix is their port of their development tools to linux! The initial version of kylix is just Borland Delphi, but the plan on releasing a C++ builder version eventually. For those of you who don't know what Delphi is, is a full RAD (like VB) but with a language that actually makes sense behind it (unlike VB). It's fully OO, and has tons and tons of developers behind it. http://www.borland.com/kylix The best part is, in the middle of this year they will be releasing a version for free (as in beer) for people to develop free (as in speach) applications with. (You still need to pay the $1000 to develop commercial apps) If you ask me, this is a good thing for linux. Currently we have no good development environments. Sure we have good compilers, and good debuggers, and good editors... but an entire environment is what lets developers focus on writing software and not fighting with the tools. In delphi I can write a full GUI app that does something nifty in Delphi in an afternoon. Using emacs, QT, and gcc... it takes me a couple days. Also, there are literally thousands of programs written in Delphi, supposedly Delphi & kylix will be source code compatible (except the API of some of the components) so porting should be very easy. -- -Marc And in the end, reality always tends to hit theory hard in the face when you least expect it. -Linus Torvalds On Tuesday 13 February 2001 11:41, you wrote: > > From: "Al Reinhart" <reinhart(a)discom.com> > > > > FYI: Free Borland Kylix Seminar > > > > In appreciation of your support and enthusiasm for Kylix(TM) we > > are now pleased to offer our Kylix seminars completely free! > > Is this pure Spam, or did some Wlug member express support > and enthusiasm for this fool? I checked the web site, > and it does mention Linux, but it wastes a a few thousand > bytes on marketroid idiocy without ever saying what Kylix(TFM) > is. There used to be a pretty good software company named > Borland, is the job market so tight they had to hire > chain-letter authors for salesmen?

Feb. 13, 2001

Re: [Wlug] Free Kylix Seminar

by Doug Chamberlin

At 2/13/2001 11:41 AM (Tuesday), Keith Wright wrote: >Is this pure Spam, or did some Wlug member express support >and enthusiasm for this fool? I checked the web site, >and it does mention Linux, but it wastes a a few thousand >bytes on marketroid idiocy without ever saying what Kylix(TFM) >is. There used to be a pretty good software company named >Borland, is the job market so tight they had to hire >chain-letter authors for salesmen? Boy, are you showing your ignorance! And calling names, to boot! I hope you are suitably humble when you actually find out what is going on. Unfortunately, your tone makes me not want to enlighten you at this time.

Feb. 13, 2001

Re: [Wlug] Free Kylix Seminar

by Keith Wright

> From: "Al Reinhart" <reinhart(a)discom.com> > > FYI: Free Borland Kylix Seminar > > In appreciation of your support and enthusiasm for Kylix(TM) we > are now pleased to offer our Kylix seminars completely free! Is this pure Spam, or did some Wlug member express support and enthusiasm for this fool? I checked the web site, and it does mention Linux, but it wastes a a few thousand bytes on marketroid idiocy without ever saying what Kylix(TFM) is. There used to be a pretty good software company named Borland, is the job market so tight they had to hire chain-letter authors for salesmen? -- -- Keith Wright <kwright(a)free-comp-shop.com> Programmer in Chief, Free Computer Shop <http://www.free-comp-shop.com> --- Food, Shelter, Source code. ---

Feb. 13, 2001

Re: [Wlug] old PCs

by Jeffry Smith

Bill Mills-Curran said: > On Tue, 13 Feb 2001, Leon Do wrote: > > > Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 09:04:16 -0500 > > From: Leon Do <leondo(a)lucent.com> > > Reply-To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > Subject: [Wlug] old PCs > > > > I need some suggestion of what I can do with my 5 old PCs(133MH,16MB or > > 32M RAM , 859MB Disk). > > > > Thanks a lot > > > > Leon Do > > _______________________________________________ > > Wlug mailing list > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > Leon, > > I'm glad you asked... > > <start charity opportunity message> :-) > > You may have read in a recent Boston Globe about Sudanese teenagers > who are being hosted by an organization in the US. (Forgive this and > future vagueness -- my wife has more accurate info.) These are kids > who have grown up without home or family, roaming in groups of kids > around Africa. > > To make a long story short, some of these kids are here in MA and are > in homes, some of which do not have computers. These kids need some > computers to do their homework. > > Clearly, these kids are NOT techno-geeks, so Linux is probably not a > good thing for them to start with. (I hate windows too, but these > kids need something that is "standard" for school work.) Actually, I suspect setting up the system with SO5.2, with everything preloaded, would work as well as anything else, and would not be subject to corruption that Win95/98 has (i.e. user can't kill critical files, without root access). Also not subject to Windows Registry bit-rot. And not require licensing fees (remember, that Windows / Office is NOT free, and I always encourage paying of licensing fees, following of copyright, etc). Another item is that NH currently has a program that takes old computers, has the prisoners at Concord rebuild them into Linux servers, and donates them to charities for servers / workstations. Contact is bobnhlinux(a)aol.com (Bob Sparks). jeff ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Jeffry Smith Technical Sales Consultant Mission Critical Linux smith(a)missioncriticallinux.com phone:603.930.9739 fax:978.446.9470 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Thought for today: YA- abbrev. [Yet Another] In hackish acronyms this almost invariably expands to Yet Another, following the precedent set by Unix yacc(1) (Yet Another Compiler-Compiler). See YABA.

Feb. 13, 2001

Re: [Wlug] old PCs

by Bill Mills-Curran

On Tue, 13 Feb 2001, Leon Do wrote: > Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 09:04:16 -0500 > From: Leon Do <leondo(a)lucent.com> > Reply-To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > Subject: [Wlug] old PCs > > I need some suggestion of what I can do with my 5 old PCs(133MH,16MB or > 32M RAM , 859MB Disk). > > Thanks a lot > > Leon Do > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > Leon, I'm glad you asked... <start charity opportunity message> :-) You may have read in a recent Boston Globe about Sudanese teenagers who are being hosted by an organization in the US. (Forgive this and future vagueness -- my wife has more accurate info.) These are kids who have grown up without home or family, roaming in groups of kids around Africa. To make a long story short, some of these kids are here in MA and are in homes, some of which do not have computers. These kids need some computers to do their homework. Clearly, these kids are NOT techno-geeks, so Linux is probably not a good thing for them to start with. (I hate windows too, but these kids need something that is "standard" for school work.) If anyone in WLUG can cook up a Win95 or Win98 machine, I'll work to get it to the right place. Thanks, Bill Mills-Curran 508 836-3160 (home)

Feb. 13, 2001