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Re: [Wlug] The Mac 6100 project

by William Smith

On Mon, 21 Jan 2002, Skip Gaede wrote: SG>I could use some help with setting up the (Intel) server: DHCP, Cups or LPR SG>or ..., NFS and getting the directories mounted on the clients at boot time. SG>If someone would be willing lend a hand with this, please let me know. in the interest of making sure that a user can log in on any box, NIS might be an idea, too... that ties in with the NFS mounting... -- William Smith wsmith(a)chezsmith.com Fall River, MA http://www.chezsmith.com

Jan. 22, 2002

Re: [Wlug] AOL in Negotiations to Buy Red Hat

by Michael Frysinger

the whole clicking on the BE icon basically unloaded windows and loaded the BE kernel ... just like loadlin -mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "William Smith" <timex(a)kluge.net> To: <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2002 01:14 AM Subject: Re: [Wlug] AOL in Negotiations to Buy Red Hat > On Sat, 19 Jan 2002, Andy Stewart wrote: > > AS>On Saturday 19 January 2002 12:42 pm, you wrote: > AS>> "But the AOL software could be configured to override Windows and launch > AS>> a version of Red Hat's Linux operating system, sources said." > AS>> > AS>> Override and launch? Does anyone know what they mean here? Are they > AS>> talking about clicking on the AOL icon and booting into linux?? > > well, i know that there was a Be demo that kinda did that... you install > this 53MB mess, and there's this icon on Win*... you hit the icon and > Magic happens, where Be completely takes over. i don't know the full > details of how that worked, but i've seen it. i've never seen Linux do > that, though. > > AS>That sounds like a non-tech person trying to write about a technical topic > AS>and having it come out all wrong. > > just like Radio Shack! <gd&r> > > AS>I wonder if they were trying to hint > AS>about the possibility of making the AOL client software run on Linux. > > THAT would be interesing. there used to be a site at www.aolinfo.com or > something that had some preliminary information on how the AOL client > worked (complete with a sample bye-for-byte exchange). i snagged most of > it, which may be a Good Thing... that site isn't available anymore. > > -- > William Smith wsmith(a)chezsmith.com > Fall River, MA http://www.chezsmith.com > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

Jan. 22, 2002

Re: [Wlug] AOL in Negotiations to Buy Red Hat

by William Smith

On Sat, 19 Jan 2002, Andy Stewart wrote: AS>On Saturday 19 January 2002 12:42 pm, you wrote: AS>> "But the AOL software could be configured to override Windows and launch AS>> a version of Red Hat's Linux operating system, sources said." AS>> AS>> Override and launch? Does anyone know what they mean here? Are they AS>> talking about clicking on the AOL icon and booting into linux?? well, i know that there was a Be demo that kinda did that... you install this 53MB mess, and there's this icon on Win*... you hit the icon and Magic happens, where Be completely takes over. i don't know the full details of how that worked, but i've seen it. i've never seen Linux do that, though. AS>That sounds like a non-tech person trying to write about a technical topic AS>and having it come out all wrong. just like Radio Shack! <gd&r> AS>I wonder if they were trying to hint AS>about the possibility of making the AOL client software run on Linux. THAT would be interesing. there used to be a site at www.aolinfo.com or something that had some preliminary information on how the AOL client worked (complete with a sample bye-for-byte exchange). i snagged most of it, which may be a Good Thing... that site isn't available anymore. -- William Smith wsmith(a)chezsmith.com Fall River, MA http://www.chezsmith.com

Jan. 22, 2002

The Mac 6100 project

by Skip Gaede

Folks, Saturday, Andy sent out a note from Rob Belleville asking for help in getting Linux running on some 20-30 Macs. I've looked at the proposal, and Rob's proposal to setup a terminal server is pretty much impossible, as the PROM code for doing remote boot is restricted to the Intel platform. So, the counter proposal is to install the kernel on each box, and use NFS to mount most of the "stuff" needed on the client. This shouldn't be too hard, since all Rob wants to do is print and run a web browser from the clients. (Rob wants the clients to come up with autologon and possibly just start the web browser as well.) I could use some help with setting up the (Intel) server: DHCP, Cups or LPR or ..., NFS and getting the directories mounted on the clients at boot time. If someone would be willing lend a hand with this, please let me know. Another idea: If someone wants to do the server, I'll help out with getting the Macs running. --Skip

Jan. 22, 2002

Re: [Wlug] 2 audio questions...

by Charles R. Anderson

On Sun, Jan 20, 2002 at 11:38:43AM -0500, Bill Mills-Curran wrote: subssn594> I played briefly with the alsasound service startup without success. subssn594> So I went back to my /etc/rc.d/rc.local method. I'm not crazy about subssn594> it, but it works. Maybe there is some other config that was necessary subssn594> to use the alsasound start script, but I have limited play time. Have you set up your /etc/modules.conf according to the documentation? Mine looks like this: # ALSA native device support alias char-major-116 snd options snd snd_cards_limit=1 alias snd-card-0 snd-card-intel8x0 options snd-card-intel8x0 snd_ac97_clock=41231 alias sound-service-0-0 snd-mixer-oss alias sound-service-0-1 snd-seq-oss # ALSA OSS/Free emulation support alias char-major-14 soundcore alias sound-slot-0 snd-card-0 alias sound-service-0-0 snd-mixer-oss alias sound-service-0-1 snd-seq-oss alias sound-service-0-3 snd-pcm-oss alias sound-service-0-8 snd-seq-oss alias sound-service-0-12 snd-pcm-oss Your sound-card-0 and the line right after it will be different, of course. subssn594> I did install xmms, and had some "visual" success. At first, I could subssn594> even see the audio sound levels on the xmms main screen, but then I subssn594> somehow messed it up. In addition, I haven't had any success getting subssn594> sound. Note that I haven't played with MP3 files at all, so I may be subssn594> missing some critical setup. I took a very quick look at esound, but subssn594> there again, limited play time. Any suggestions to put me on the subssn594> right path? ALSA keeps all channels muted by default. Have you run alsamixer and unmuted the channels? -- Charles R. Anderson <cra(a)wpi.edu> / http://angus.ind.wpi.edu/~cra/ PGP Key ID: 49BB5886 Fingerprint: EBA3 A106 7C93 FA07 8E15 3AC2 C367 A0F9 49BB 5886

Jan. 20, 2002

Re: [Wlug] 2 audio questions...

by Bill Mills-Curran

Charles, I've played with your suggestions a bit, and I have a few more, if you can help... On Thu, 3 Jan 2002, Charles R . Anderson wrote: > Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 14:57:11 -0500 > From: Charles R . Anderson <cra(a)WPI.EDU> > Reply-To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > To: Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> > Subject: Re: [Wlug] 2 audio questions... > > The alsa stuff comes with an initscript called alsasound in the utils/ > subdirectory of the source. It gets installed automatically with a > "make install" into /etc/rc.d/init.d/alsasound. You can enable > alsasound to start automatically with these commands: > > /sbin/chkconfig --add /etc/rc.d/init.d/alsasound > (only need to do this right after installing the first time) > > /sbin/chkconfig alsasound on > > or start/stop it at any time with these commands: > > /sbin/service alsasound start > /sbin/service alsasound stop > > On Thu, Jan 03, 2002 at 02:42:01PM -0500, Bill Mills-Curran wrote: > subssn594> So, what's the right way to load a module at boot? I played briefly with the alsasound service startup without success. So I went back to my /etc/rc.d/rc.local method. I'm not crazy about it, but it works. Maybe there is some other config that was necessary to use the alsasound start script, but I have limited play time. > > subssn594> 2. What's the best place to get started to be able to receive web > subssn594> radio broadcasts? I haven't found anything very helpful in the RH > subssn594> distro. Maybe I'm not looking for the right thing? > > Not sure, but you can hear the WPI radio station WWPI at > http://radio.wpi.edu/ > > All you need is XMMS. There is a .pls file that gets downloaded. The > .pls file contains a URL which can be loaded into XMMS via "Play > Location". You can also set up your web browser to handle this > automatically with a command line of "/usr/bin/xmms". I did install xmms, and had some "visual" success. At first, I could even see the audio sound levels on the xmms main screen, but then I somehow messed it up. In addition, I haven't had any success getting sound. Note that I haven't played with MP3 files at all, so I may be missing some critical setup. I took a very quick look at esound, but there again, limited play time. Any suggestions to put me on the right path? > > -- > Charles R. Anderson <cra(a)wpi.edu> / http://angus.ind.wpi.edu/~cra/ > PGP Key ID: 49BB5886 > Fingerprint: EBA3 A106 7C93 FA07 8E15 3AC2 C367 A0F9 49BB 5886 > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > Thanks for your help. Bill

Jan. 20, 2002

AOL in Negotiations to Buy Red Hat

by Tom Guilderson

This is an article from the tech section of todays Washington Post http://www.washtech.com/news/media/14759-1.html

Jan. 19, 2002

Re: [Wlug] AOL in Negotiations to Buy Red Hat

by Andy Stewart

On Saturday 19 January 2002 12:42 pm, you wrote: > "But the AOL software could be configured to override Windows and launch > a version of Red Hat's Linux operating system, sources said." > > Override and launch? Does anyone know what they mean here? Are they > talking about clicking on the AOL icon and booting into linux?? > > Thanks, > Greg That sounds like a non-tech person trying to write about a technical topic and having it come out all wrong. I wonder if they were trying to hint about the possibility of making the AOL client software run on Linux. Later, Andy -- Andy Stewart Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA, USA http://www.wlug.org

Jan. 19, 2002

Re: [Wlug] AOL in Negotiations to Buy Red Hat

by avedis＠ma.ultranet.com

"But the AOL software could be configured to override Windows and launch a version of Red Hat's Linux operating system, sources said." Override and launch? Does anyone know what they mean here? Are they talking about clicking on the AOL icon and booting into linux?? Thanks, Greg On 19 Jan 2002, at 13:07, Tom Guilderson wrote: > This is an article from the tech section of todays Washington Post > > http://www.washtech.com/news/media/14759-1.html > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

Jan. 19, 2002

Fwd: Millbury Schools...

by Andy Stewart

Hi gang, I just received an e-mail from Rob Bellville from Millbury Public Schools. He has a bunch of old PowerMac 6100s and was wondering if it made sense to convert them to work as thin Linux clients (similar to the Linux terminal server project (ltsp.org)) If somebody would like to take a crack at doing this for a couple of these PowerMacs as a proof of concept, give Rob a shout at rb(a)millbury.net. I've attached Rob's e-mail, which has more detail. Later, Andy ---------- Forwarded Message ---------- Subject: Millbury Schools... Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 13:14:25 -0500 From: <rb(a)millbury.net> To: andystewart(a)mediaone.net Andy, I have a thought about a WLUG project for the Millbury Schools. We are disposing of about 20-30 PowerMac 6100s and I was wondering if anyone in the WLUG group had any experience with thin linux terminals (LTSP.org) I've got one of them running mkLinux right now and I have a nice hefty Dell server (1GHz / 512 MB RAM) that could power quite a few of these clients. I'd hate to throw away all these Macs when they could be used somewhere within the district. They are 66 MHz / 40 MB RAM / 600 MB HD with NICs. The only problem at the moment is that timing is critical. They are being stored and need to be removed in the next month. I can let a few of them go to someone who wanted to work on them at home. I'd like to be able to have them be at the very minimum an Internet terminal and maybe run StarOffice or something similar. Let me know your thoughts. Like I said, this project could be done outside of the school and then come back to clone the remaining Macs after they were tested. I would be willing to give a few of them to someone as compensation. I'm still in a hectic school-construction mode so my participation will be limited to a minimum but I would be happy to deliver the Macs to anyone who was willing to give it a go. Also, it would be a good thing to write up for the LTSP.org website as they don't have much in the way of using Macs as thin clients. Thanks! -- Rob --== rb(a)millbury.net ==-- ------------------------------------------------------- -- Andy Stewart Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA, USA http://www.wlug.org

Jan. 19, 2002