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Re: [Wlug] x86 emulation/vmare clone

by Andy Stewart

On Tuesday 05 November 2002 6:58 pm, twg3(a)attbi.com wrote: > Is anyone familiar with any open-source versions of > x86 emulation software that I can use instead of VMWare? > > It seems that the plex86 project has moved, and I can not > find out much info on status of software - ie how usable > etc.???? You might try this link also: http://bochs.sourceforge.net/ -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA USA http://www.wlug.org

Nov. 6, 2002

Re: [Wlug] x86 emulation/vmare clone

by Andy Stewart

On Tuesday 05 November 2002 6:58 pm, twg3(a)attbi.com wrote: > Is anyone familiar with any open-source versions of > x86 emulation software that I can use instead of VMWare? Try this website: http://savannah.nongnu.org/projects/plex86 Later, Andy -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA USA http://www.wlug.org

Nov. 6, 2002

x86 emulation/vmare clone

by twg3＠attbi.com

Is anyone familiar with any open-source versions of x86 emulation software that I can use instead of VMWare? It seems that the plex86 project has moved, and I can not find out much info on status of software - ie how usable etc.???? My goal is to run linux with win2k as a virtual machine for the few work related things I need.

Nov. 5, 2002

Re: [Wlug] uptime celebration

by Charles R. Anderson

On Mon, Nov 04, 2002 at 02:05:46PM -0500, Keller, Tim wrote: Tim.Keller> Also HPUX... Tim.Keller> 2:04pm up 1079 days, 3:28, 2 users, load average: 0.08, 0.13, 0.18 Tim.Keller> I propose a 1000 day uptime minimum... ;-) That doesn't count. It isn't running Linux. My HP 9000 J210, dual processor 120 MHz IS running Linux: cra@puffin:~$ uptime Unknown HZ value! (16) Assume 100. 11:13:17 up 298 days, 18:12, 1 user, load average: 3.01, 3.02, 3.00 :P -- Charles R. Anderson <cra(a)wpi.edu> / http://angus.ind.wpi.edu/~cra/ PGP Key ID: 49BB5886 Fingerprint: EBA3 A106 7C93 FA07 8E15 3AC2 C367 A0F9 49BB 5886

Nov. 5, 2002

RE: [Wlug] Newbie to mailing list- Issue with the generation ofgraphsinredhat6.2

by Sudhaker P

Hi Marc, Thanks once again. I tried installing Xvfb but I'm getting the error message: Xlib: Connection "localhost:1" refused by the server Xlib: Client is not authorized to connect to the server xhost:Unable to open display "localhost:1". I'd appreciate your sugestions on this issue. Thanks, Peram >From: "Marc Hughes" <HughesM(a)tomsnyder.com> >Reply-To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >To: <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> >Subject: RE: [Wlug] Newbie to mailing list- Issue with the generation >ofgraphsinredhat6.2 >Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 15:04:48 -0500 > >Yup > >I believe it's on the RedHat CD's. > >-Marc > >-----Original Message----- >From: Sudhaker P [mailto:perams27@hotmail.com] >Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 2:49 PM >To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >Subject: RE: [Wlug] Newbie to mailing list- Issue with the generation >ofgraphsinredhat6.2 > > >Hi Marc, >Is Xvfb a software that I can download and install? > >-Sudhakar > > > > > > > >From: "Marc Hughes" <HughesM(a)tomsnyder.com> > >Reply-To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > >To: <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> > >Subject: RE: [Wlug] Newbie to mailing list- Issue with the generation > >of > >graphsinredhat6.2 > >Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 13:40:55 -0500 > > > > > >So you're saying that you can use X on the machine, right? If so, I'd > >look > >other places for the problem. > > > >Double check that your DISPLAY is set properly and access is enabled. > >This > >was the exact same error message I used to get when java couldn't connect > >to the xserver. > > > >I find doing something like this: > > > >nohup Xvfb :1 -screen 0 800x600x24 & > >sleep 5 > >export DISPLAY=localhost:1 > >xhost + > >SERVERCOMMAND <- (Whatever you need to do to start the server) > > > >Is best since it uses a virtual x server instead of the real one. This > >works around your problem, but is probably the "correct" way to do it > >anyways. > > > > > >-Marc > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: Sudhaker P [mailto:perams27@hotmail.com] > >Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 1:23 PM > >To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > >Subject: RE: [Wlug] Newbie to mailing list- Issue with the generation > >of > >graphsinredhat6.2 > > > > > >Hi Marc, > >The KDE for the server was not working for it so I fixed it, removing > >all the rpms and re-installing them, I even reinstalled "gd".So I was > >wondering if any other libraries related to X-server were broken too. > >My output for $ps auwx | grep X is as below > >root 14500 0.0 0.0 2220 980 tty1 S 09:44 0:00 /bin/sh > >/usr/X11R6/bin/startx > >root 14507 0.0 0.0 2344 668 tty1 S 09:44 0:00 xinit > >/etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc -- > >root 14508 0.7 0.3 18156 7956 ? S< 09:44 1:07 /etc/X11/X > >:0 > > > >I'd appreciate your suggestions and comments in this regard. > > > >Thanks, > > > >Peram > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: "Marc Hughes" <HughesM(a)tomsnyder.com> > > >Reply-To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > >To: <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> > > >Subject: RE: [Wlug] Newbie to mailing list- Issue with the generation > > >of graphs inredhat6.2 > > >Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 10:55:29 -0500 > > > > > >What do you mean when you say it seems broken? Are there other > > >symptoms besides the java connection to it? > > > > > >Can you sit down at the machine and use X? If this is a server, you > > >probably don't want that ability (that's where Xvfb comes in). What > > >Xserver are you running? > > > > > >If you "ps aux |grep X" do you see an xserver running? > > > > > >-Marc > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > > >From: Sudhaker P [mailto:perams27@hotmail.com] > > >Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 10:46 AM > > >To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > >Subject: RE: [Wlug] Newbie to mailing list- Issue with the generation > > >of graphs inredhat6.2 > > > > > > > > >Hi Marc, > > >Thanks for the reply. > > >I agree with you Marc, it is a servlet(I'm sorry about that) and its > > >on the server. The display settings seems to be proper, but my X- > > >server seems to be broken. I'd appreciate if you can guide me to any > > >kind of information with the help of which I can fix the issue of > > >broken X-windows. > > > > > >Thanks, > > > > > >Peram > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: "Marc Hughes" <HughesM(a)tomsnyder.com> > > > >Reply-To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > > >To: <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> > > > >Subject: RE: [Wlug] Newbie to mailing list- Issue with the > > > >generation of graphs inredhat 6.2 > > > >Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 09:16:11 -0500 > > > > > > > >I'm guessing this is a server (the errors you showed before made it > > > >look more like a servlet than an applet)... So are you running X? > > > >If so, when you start the server do you set your DISPLAY variable > > > >correctly? Does > > >the > > > >server process have access to the Xserver? > > > > > > > >If you're not running an Xserver, you need to. Weird, huh? > > > >Without a running X-Server the JRE can't do most graphical > > > >operations, even if > > >those > > > >operations never render to the display. It's a long standing issue > > > >that > > >a > > > >whole lot of people have complained about. What you can do is run > > > >Xvfb > > >... > > > >It's a non graphical X server. It just gives programs an Xserver > > > >to play with, and never displays the results of those programs. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >-Marc > > > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > > > >From: Sudhaker P [mailto:perams27@hotmail.com] > > > >Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 9:08 AM > > > >To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > > >Subject: Re: [Wlug] Newbie to mailing list- Issue with the > > > >generation of graphs inredhat 6.2 > > > > > > > > > > > >Hi, > > > >With reply to my previous mail I've figured out that Java "awt" is > > > >looking for some parameters in X-windows. I think the X is broken. > > > >I'd appreciate if any of you gurus can guide me with fixing of > > > >X-windows. > > > > > > > >Thanks, > > > > > > > >Peram > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: "Sudhaker P" <perams27(a)hotmail.com> > > > > >Reply-To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > > > >To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > > > >Subject: Re: [Wlug] Newbie to mailing list- Issue with the > > > > >generation of graphs in redhat 6.2 > > > > >Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 16:07:13 -0600 > > > > > > > > > >Hi Karl, > > > > >Thanks a lot for the response. > > > > >I'm running it as an applet as in the below mentioned weblogic > > > > >log java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError > > > > > at java.lang.Class.forName0(Native Method) > > > > > at java.lang.Class.forName(Class.java:120) > > > > > at > > > > > > > >java.awt.GraphicsEnvironment.getLocalGraphicsEnvironment(GraphicsEn > > > >vi > > > >ronment.java:58) > > > > > at java.awt.Window.<init>(Window.java:189) > > > > > at java.awt.Frame.<init>(Frame.java:315) > > > > > at java.awt.Frame.<init>(Frame.java:262) > > > > > at com.rivenet.graphingaction.Graphit.runGraph2D(Unknown > > >Source) > > > > > at > > > > >com.rivenet.reporting.InformalFundingComparisonGraph.makeGraph(Un > > > > >kn > > > > >ow > > > > >n > > > > >Source) > > > > > at > > > > > > > >jsp_servlet._plan._Model_controller._jspService(_Model_controller.j > > > >av > > > >a:356) > > > > > at weblogic.servlet.jsp.JspBase.service(JspBase.java:27) > > > > > at > > > > > > > >weblogic.servlet.internal.ServletStubImpl.invokeServlet(ServletStub > > > >Im > > > >pl.java:123) > > > > > at > > > > > > > >weblogic.servlet.internal.ServletContextImpl.invokeServlet(ServletC > > > >on > > > >textImpl.java:761) > > > > > at > > > > > > > >weblogic.servlet.internal.ServletContextImpl.invokeServlet(ServletC > > > >on > > > >textImpl.java:708) > > > > > at > > > > > > > >weblogic.servlet.internal.ServletContextManager.invokeServlet(Servl > > > >et > > > >ContextManager.java:252) > > > > > at > > > > > > > >weblogic.socket.MuxableSocketHTTP.invokeServlet(MuxableSocketHTTP.j > > > >av > > > >a:346) > > > > > at > > > > > >weblogic.socket.MuxableSocketHTTP.execute(MuxableSocketHTTP.java:246) > > > > > at > > > > >weblogic.kernel.ExecuteThread.run(ExecuteThread.java:135) > > > > > > > > > >So I was wondering if "awt" since it needs X to generate graphs > > > > >could be the reason and X might be broken. > > > > > > > > > >In your opinion if x is broken what could the rpms that I need to > > > > >install. I'd appreciate your comments and suggestions. > > > > > > > > > >Thanks, > > > > > > > > > >Peram > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>From: Karl Hiramoto <karl(a)zoop.org> > > > > >>Reply-To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > > > >>To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > > > >>Subject: Re: [Wlug] Newbie to mailing list- Issue with the > > > > >>generation of graphs in redhat 6.2 > > > > >>Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 14:43:56 -0500 (EST) > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >>are you running it from the comand line? or an applet? > > > > >> > > > > >>Get any errors on your command line? > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >>Did you try on the same machine booting 2.4.16 and 2.4.7 to > > > > >>verify that it is the kernel? > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >>On Tue, 29 Oct 2002, Sudhaker P wrote: > > > > >> > > > > >> > Hi , > > > > >> > I've a program that generates graphs with Java 1.3.1_01. The > > > > >> > same > > > > >>program is > > > > >> > able to generate graphs on a machine with RH 6.2 kernel > > > > >> > 2.4.16 but it > > > > >>fails > > > > >> > to generate graphs on a machine with RH 6.2 kernel 2.4.7-10 > > > > >> > on which it > > > > >>used > > > > >> > to generate before. I've installed KDE and gd thinking that > > > > >> > something > > > > >>may > > > > >> > broken in the OS on the jpegs generation part. But that > > > > >> > doesn't seem to help. 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Nov. 5, 2002

RE: [Wlug] uptime celebration

by George Metz

> -----Original Message----- > From: wlug-admin(a)mail.wlug.org [mailto:wlug-admin@mail.wlug.org]On > Behalf Of doug waud > Sent: Monday, November 04, 2002 6:26 PM > To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > Subject: Re: [Wlug] uptime celebration > > > Hi all > > My firewall box was going fine for about a > year before one of my grandkids turned it > off! :-) / :-( Heh. Didn't even think of my firewall; my server I have to bounce every once in a while because I was cheap on the hardware for it. :) Paltry compared to the rarified heights of those HP-UX boxen, but: Veil# uptime 01:31:29 up 124 Days (2980h), load average: 0.00 0.00 0.00 Veil# uname -a Linux Veil 2.2.18 #1 Fri Dec 15 23:32:10 EST 2000 i386 unknown Veil# Not bad. Though it's just a P60 with 24 megs of mem and no hard drive. :)

Nov. 5, 2002

Re: [Wlug] uptime celebration

by doug waud

Hi all My firewall box was going fine for about a year before one of my grandkids turned it off! :-) / :-( doug

Nov. 4, 2002

RE: [Wlug] uptime celebration

by Karl Hiramoto

With linux I find that the kernel moves so fast that I'm frequently rebooting just to upgrage kernels. sigh. I never now now that the DMCA prevents us americans from knowing what our security risk is. Upgrade just to be safe.. On Mon, 4 Nov 2002, Keller, Tim wrote: > I that was the oldest... my coworker just corrected me... > > Also HPUX... > > ispolo5# uptime > 2:04pm up 1079 days, 3:28, 2 users, load average: 0.08, 0.13, 0.18 > ispolo5# > > I propose a 1000 day uptime minimum... ;-) > > Tim. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Keller, Tim [mailto:Tim.Keller@stratus.com] > Sent: Monday, November 04, 2002 14:03 PM > To: 'wlug(a)mail.wlug.org' > Subject: RE: [Wlug] uptime celebration > > > ispolo2# uptime > 1:59pm up 790 days, 56 mins, 1 user, load average: 0.07, 0.25, 0.24 > > Suppose I should put the uname -a output to resolve any confusions... > > ispolo2# uname -a > HP-UX ispolo2 B.10.20 E 9000/888 2140000344 8-user license > > I had a linux box at 354 days of uptime, however a loose ethernet card did > it in... > > Tim. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Karl Hiramoto [mailto:karl@zoop.org] > Sent: Monday, November 04, 2002 13:44 PM > To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > Subject: [Wlug] uptime celibration > > > > #uptime > 1:39pm up 100 days, 34 min, 6 users, load average: 1.06, 1.05, > > > Eat that Micro$oft :) > > > > -- ¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø Karl Hiramoto <karl(a)hiramoto.org> Work: 978-425-2090 ext 25 Cell: 508-517-4819 Personal web page: http://karl.hiramoto.org/ Freedom: http://www.technojihad.com/ Zoop Productions: http://www.zoop.org/ KTEQ Rapid City: http://www.kteq.org/ AOL IM ID = KarlH420 Yahoo_IM = karl_hiramoto ¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø Lady Luck brings added income today. Lady friend takes it away tonight.

Nov. 4, 2002

RE: [Wlug] uptime celebration

by Keller, Tim

I that was the oldest... my coworker just corrected me... Also HPUX... ispolo5# uptime 2:04pm up 1079 days, 3:28, 2 users, load average: 0.08, 0.13, 0.18 ispolo5# I propose a 1000 day uptime minimum... ;-) Tim. -----Original Message----- From: Keller, Tim [mailto:Tim.Keller@stratus.com] Sent: Monday, November 04, 2002 14:03 PM To: 'wlug(a)mail.wlug.org' Subject: RE: [Wlug] uptime celebration ispolo2# uptime 1:59pm up 790 days, 56 mins, 1 user, load average: 0.07, 0.25, 0.24 Suppose I should put the uname -a output to resolve any confusions... ispolo2# uname -a HP-UX ispolo2 B.10.20 E 9000/888 2140000344 8-user license I had a linux box at 354 days of uptime, however a loose ethernet card did it in... Tim. -----Original Message----- From: Karl Hiramoto [mailto:karl@zoop.org] Sent: Monday, November 04, 2002 13:44 PM To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org Subject: [Wlug] uptime celibration #uptime 1:39pm up 100 days, 34 min, 6 users, load average: 1.06, 1.05, Eat that Micro$oft :) -- ¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø Karl Hiramoto <karl(a)hiramoto.org> Work: 978-425-2090 ext 25 Cell: 508-517-4819 Personal web page: http://karl.hiramoto.org/ Freedom: http://www.technojihad.com/ Zoop Productions: http://www.zoop.org/ KTEQ Rapid City: http://www.kteq.org/ AOL IM ID = KarlH420 Yahoo_IM = karl_hiramoto ¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø Lady Luck brings added income today. Lady friend takes it away tonight. _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Nov. 4, 2002

RE: [Wlug] uptime celebration

by Keller, Tim

ispolo2# uptime 1:59pm up 790 days, 56 mins, 1 user, load average: 0.07, 0.25, 0.24 Suppose I should put the uname -a output to resolve any confusions... ispolo2# uname -a HP-UX ispolo2 B.10.20 E 9000/888 2140000344 8-user license I had a linux box at 354 days of uptime, however a loose ethernet card did it in... Tim. -----Original Message----- From: Karl Hiramoto [mailto:karl@zoop.org] Sent: Monday, November 04, 2002 13:44 PM To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org Subject: [Wlug] uptime celibration #uptime 1:39pm up 100 days, 34 min, 6 users, load average: 1.06, 1.05, Eat that Micro$oft :) -- ¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø Karl Hiramoto <karl(a)hiramoto.org> Work: 978-425-2090 ext 25 Cell: 508-517-4819 Personal web page: http://karl.hiramoto.org/ Freedom: http://www.technojihad.com/ Zoop Productions: http://www.zoop.org/ KTEQ Rapid City: http://www.kteq.org/ AOL IM ID = KarlH420 Yahoo_IM = karl_hiramoto ¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø Lady Luck brings added income today. Lady friend takes it away tonight. _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Nov. 4, 2002