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Re: WLUG Meeting tonight?

by Evan White

Keith, I have a Framework 16 and it does have good upgradability features. I have not upgraded anything with OEM parts yet, but I was able to re-use a mPCIe wireless adapter from an older laptop that is nicer with the kernel, as well as the storage from my old laptop. I saved money when buying the user-assembled Framework 16 kit as I didn't need to include storage or RAM. I used the NVMe storage from my older laptop and bought some aftermarket RAM that was cheaper than anything Framework was offering with the kit. Probably the first OEM Framework part I will get in the future will be a graphics card, but their only graphics offering currently has too little video RAM for running machine learning code. ________________________________ From: Keith Wright via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> Sent: Thursday, January 9, 2025 3:27 PM To: Worcester Linux Users' Group General Discussion <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> Cc: wlug(a)lists.wlug.org <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org>; Keith Wright <kwright(a)keithdiane.us> Subject: [WLUG] WLUG Meeting tonight? I am used to getting an email from Tim Keller when there is a WLUG meeting. I am also used to it being on the second Thursday of the month. One of those didn't happen. Two meetings ago I tried to do a presentation of LaTeX, but share-screen did not work like it did three meetings ago. One meeting ago, share screen worked, but everyone was talking about something else, and I wasn't really ready anyway. I could try again, though I am not really ready today either. ---- Also > Hey Everybody, > > This is a reminder that we've got a meeting tomorrow at WPI! > Time: 7pm > Location: WPI Student Center Room 128 (Taylor Room) Down below the stairs. > Virtual Location: https://meet.jit.si/WlugMA > Topic: frame.work laptop demo, passbolt demo > > Cara Salter has agreed to come and show off her frame.work laptop. This > laptop is designed with upgrade ability in mind. Components such as the > motherboard can be easily swapped for more powerful versions, etc. If Cara (or anyone with a frame.work) is still around, I would be interested in an update on this. Does it still work, or did it blow blue smoke? Did you actually upgrade anything? Would you recomend it? ---- Chuck Anderson via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > I noticed in "dnf update" on Fedora 41: > > Installing: > kernel x86_64 6.12.4-200.fc41 updates 0.0 B > kernel-core x86_64 6.12.4-200.fc41 updates 73.6 MiB > kernel-modules x86_64 6.12.4-200.fc41 updates 62.5 MiB > kernel-modules-core x86_64 6.12.4-200.fc41 updates 37.1 MiB > kernel-modules-extra x86_64 6.12.4-200.fc41 updates 2.7 MiB OK. Google finds a page that says dnf is Fedora's replacement for yum, which is apt or rpm re-done. Just another package manager. You installed a kernel; what did you notice that was interesting? -- Keith _______________________________________________ WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ Web Forum/Archive: https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/WMLWN…

Jan. 18, 2025

Sorry about the audio issue last night!

by Tim Keller

Hey Everybody, For those of you who were on the jitsi meeting, I'm sorry we had audio issues last night. I did some testing this morning and my jabra puck is broken. Thanks, Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

Jan. 17, 2025

Stuck in traffic

by Tim Keller

According to Google Maps it says I'm going to get there for 7:15 but we are definitely having a meeting tonight I'm just trapped in traffic! Tim.

Jan. 16, 2025

Reminder! Meeting tonight!! Topic: SilverBlue Atomic install

by Tim Keller

Time: 7PM Date: January 16th, 2025 Location: Technocopia, 44 Portland St. Floor 6 Virtual Location: https://meet.jit.si/WlugMA I don't have an "official" topic at the moment, if there's an itch you want to scratch, by all means let me know! As for our topic about SilverBlue and atomic desktops, I'm more than willing to create a VM on the spot and we can play with it. Microsoft is abandoning lots of people because their systems won't run windows 10. Personally I've had a couple of people reach out to me asking about linux and I suspect that those of us who advocate for FOSS are going to get an influx of questions. What works, what doesn't, ehow do people play games, etc.. As usual, we'll head off for dinner afterwards and keep the conversation going! Thanks, Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

Jan. 16, 2025

Re: Next Meeting January 16th, 2025 Topic: SilverBlue Atomic / Win10 EOL and what that means for us.

by John Stoffel

>>>>> "Tim" == Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > On Thursday we'll have our first meeting of 2025! I think I'll be missing this meeting unfortunately. But I just got my JetKVM recently and I'll be bringing it to the February meeting to show it off. It's running embedded linux and does a pretty nice job! I'm happy with it so far. John > Time: 7PM > Date: January 16th, 2025 > Location: Technocopia, 44 Portland St. Floor 6 > Virtual Location: https://meet.jit.si/WlugMA > I don't have an "official" topic at the moment, if there's an itch you want to scratch, by all > means let me know! As for our topic about SilverBlue and atomic desktops, I'm more than willing to > create a VM on the spot and we can play with it. > Microsoft is abandoning lots of people because their systems won't run windows 10. Personally I've > had a couple of people reach out to me asking about linux and I suspect that those of us who > advocate for FOSS are going to get an influx of questions. What works, what doesn't, ehow do > people play games, etc.. > As usual, we'll head off for dinner afterwards and keep the conversation going! > Thanks, > Tim. > -- > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers". > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/V43YG…

Jan. 15, 2025

Next Meeting January 16th, 2025 Topic: SilverBlue Atomic / Win10 EOL and what that means for us.

by Tim Keller

Hey Everybody! On Thursday we'll have our first meeting of 2025! Time: 7PM Date: January 16th, 2025 Location: Technocopia, 44 Portland St. Floor 6 Virtual Location: https://meet.jit.si/WlugMA I don't have an "official" topic at the moment, if there's an itch you want to scratch, by all means let me know! As for our topic about SilverBlue and atomic desktops, I'm more than willing to create a VM on the spot and we can play with it. Microsoft is abandoning lots of people because their systems won't run windows 10. Personally I've had a couple of people reach out to me asking about linux and I suspect that those of us who advocate for FOSS are going to get an influx of questions. What works, what doesn't, ehow do people play games, etc.. As usual, we'll head off for dinner afterwards and keep the conversation going! Thanks, Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

Jan. 14, 2025

Re: WLUG Meeting tonight?

by John Stoffel

>>>>> "Tim" == Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: This looks really interesting, and especially these days with lots of available disk space, having two boot partitions so you can update B while booted off A, and then try to boot from B, but failback if there's a problem. My only problem with Fedora is that I'm a debian packaging kinda guy.... LOL! > Yeah, it probably would have saved me. > On Thu, Jan 9, 2025 at 9:50 PM Joshua Stone via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > I've found that moving my systems to Fedora Atomic has been great for avoiding situations like > this. The image-based OS update model of rpm-ostree ensures that an update doesn't leave the > OS in a broken state, even if the update gets interrupted. > https://coreos.github.io/rpm-ostree/ > https://fedoraproject.org/atomic-desktops/silverblue/ > The introduction of bootupd in Fedora 41 has also helped ensure that the bootloader gets > updated properly outside of rpm-ostree. > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/FedoraSilverblueBootupd > In essence, I get the leading-edge package updates of Fedora, with the rock-solid reliability > that LTS distros are typically associated with. > - Josh > On Thu, Jan 9, 2025 at 8:15 PM Chuck Anderson via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > Fedora is always up-to-date with the newest kernels... > On Thu, Jan 09, 2025 at 08:09:16PM -0500, Tim Keller via WLUG wrote: >> Chuck, >> >> That's awesome! I've seen there are apt repositories going as well! >> >> Since this week is a follies dejour for me.. You'll all laugh. >> >> Installing 6.12.8 I managed to mess up my order of operations and rebooted >> before fully updating the boot loader.. >> >> Don't install kernels when you're sleepy.. >> >> Tim. >> >> On Thu, Jan 9, 2025, 3:28 PM Keith Wright via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> >> wrote: >> >> > I am used to getting an email from Tim Keller when there is >> > a WLUG meeting. I am also used to it being on the second >> > Thursday of the month. One of those didn't happen. >> > >> > Two meetings ago I tried to do a presentation of LaTeX, >> > but share-screen did not work like it did three meetings ago. >> > >> > One meeting ago, share screen worked, but everyone was >> > talking about something else, and I wasn't really ready anyway. >> > >> > I could try again, though I am not really ready today either. >> > ---- >> > >> > Also >> > >> > > Hey Everybody, >> > > >> > > This is a reminder that we've got a meeting tomorrow at WPI! >> > > Time: 7pm >> > > Location: WPI Student Center Room 128 (Taylor Room) Down below the >> > stairs. >> > > Virtual Location: https://meet.jit.si/WlugMA >> > > Topic: frame.work laptop demo, passbolt demo >> > > >> > > Cara Salter has agreed to come and show off her frame.work laptop. This >> > > laptop is designed with upgrade ability in mind. Components such as the >> > > motherboard can be easily swapped for more powerful versions, etc. >> > >> > If Cara (or anyone with a frame.work) is still around, I would be >> > interested in an update on this. Does it still work, or did it >> > blow blue smoke? Did you actually upgrade anything? >> > Would you recomend it? >> > ---- >> > >> > Chuck Anderson via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: >> > >> > > I noticed in "dnf update" on Fedora 41: >> > > >> > > Installing: >> > > kernel x86_64 6.12.4-200.fc41 updates 0.0 B >> > > kernel-core x86_64 6.12.4-200.fc41 updates 73.6 MiB >> > > kernel-modules x86_64 6.12.4-200.fc41 updates 62.5 MiB >> > > kernel-modules-core x86_64 6.12.4-200.fc41 updates 37.1 MiB >> > > kernel-modules-extra x86_64 6.12.4-200.fc41 updates 2.7 MiB >> > >> > OK. Google finds a page that says dnf is Fedora's replacement >> > for yum, which is apt or rpm re-done. Just another package manager. >> > >> > You installed a kernel; what did you notice that was interesting? > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/VAVLW… > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/2ADQF… > -- > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers". > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/5CIRD…

Jan. 14, 2025

Re: WLUG Meeting tonight?

by Tim Keller

Yeah, it probably would have saved me. On Thu, Jan 9, 2025 at 9:50 PM Joshua Stone via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > I've found that moving my systems to Fedora Atomic has been great for > avoiding situations like this. The image-based OS update model of > rpm-ostree ensures that an update doesn't leave the OS in a broken state, > even if the update gets interrupted. > > https://coreos.github.io/rpm-ostree/ > https://fedoraproject.org/atomic-desktops/silverblue/ > > The introduction of bootupd in Fedora 41 has also helped ensure that the > bootloader gets updated properly outside of rpm-ostree. > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/FedoraSilverblueBootupd > > In essence, I get the leading-edge package updates of Fedora, with the > rock-solid reliability that LTS distros are typically associated with. > > - Josh > > On Thu, Jan 9, 2025 at 8:15 PM Chuck Anderson via WLUG < > wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > >> Fedora is always up-to-date with the newest kernels... >> >> On Thu, Jan 09, 2025 at 08:09:16PM -0500, Tim Keller via WLUG wrote: >> > Chuck, >> > >> > That's awesome! I've seen there are apt repositories going as well! >> > >> > Since this week is a follies dejour for me.. You'll all laugh. >> > >> > Installing 6.12.8 I managed to mess up my order of operations and >> rebooted >> > before fully updating the boot loader.. >> > >> > Don't install kernels when you're sleepy.. >> > >> > Tim. >> > >> > On Thu, Jan 9, 2025, 3:28 PM Keith Wright via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >> > >> > wrote: >> > >> > > I am used to getting an email from Tim Keller when there is >> > > a WLUG meeting. I am also used to it being on the second >> > > Thursday of the month. One of those didn't happen. >> > > >> > > Two meetings ago I tried to do a presentation of LaTeX, >> > > but share-screen did not work like it did three meetings ago. >> > > >> > > One meeting ago, share screen worked, but everyone was >> > > talking about something else, and I wasn't really ready anyway. >> > > >> > > I could try again, though I am not really ready today either. >> > > ---- >> > > >> > > Also >> > > >> > > > Hey Everybody, >> > > > >> > > > This is a reminder that we've got a meeting tomorrow at WPI! >> > > > Time: 7pm >> > > > Location: WPI Student Center Room 128 (Taylor Room) Down below the >> > > stairs. >> > > > Virtual Location: https://meet.jit.si/WlugMA >> > > > Topic: frame.work laptop demo, passbolt demo >> > > > >> > > > Cara Salter has agreed to come and show off her frame.work laptop. >> This >> > > > laptop is designed with upgrade ability in mind. Components such as >> the >> > > > motherboard can be easily swapped for more powerful versions, etc. >> > > >> > > If Cara (or anyone with a frame.work) is still around, I would be >> > > interested in an update on this. Does it still work, or did it >> > > blow blue smoke? Did you actually upgrade anything? >> > > Would you recomend it? >> > > ---- >> > > >> > > Chuck Anderson via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: >> > > >> > > > I noticed in "dnf update" on Fedora 41: >> > > > >> > > > Installing: >> > > > kernel x86_64 6.12.4-200.fc41 updates 0.0 >> B >> > > > kernel-core x86_64 6.12.4-200.fc41 updates 73.6 >> MiB >> > > > kernel-modules x86_64 6.12.4-200.fc41 updates 62.5 >> MiB >> > > > kernel-modules-core x86_64 6.12.4-200.fc41 updates 37.1 >> MiB >> > > > kernel-modules-extra x86_64 6.12.4-200.fc41 updates 2.7 >> MiB >> > > >> > > OK. Google finds a page that says dnf is Fedora's replacement >> > > for yum, which is apt or rpm re-done. Just another package manager. >> > > >> > > You installed a kernel; what did you notice that was interesting? >> _______________________________________________ >> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ >> Change Settings: >> https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ >> Web Forum/Archive: >> https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/VAVLW… >> > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/2ADQF… > -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

Jan. 14, 2025

Re: WLUG Meeting tonight?

by Joshua Stone

I've found that moving my systems to Fedora Atomic has been great for avoiding situations like this. The image-based OS update model of rpm-ostree ensures that an update doesn't leave the OS in a broken state, even if the update gets interrupted. https://coreos.github.io/rpm-ostree/ https://fedoraproject.org/atomic-desktops/silverblue/ The introduction of bootupd in Fedora 41 has also helped ensure that the bootloader gets updated properly outside of rpm-ostree. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/FedoraSilverblueBootupd In essence, I get the leading-edge package updates of Fedora, with the rock-solid reliability that LTS distros are typically associated with. - Josh On Thu, Jan 9, 2025 at 8:15 PM Chuck Anderson via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > Fedora is always up-to-date with the newest kernels... > > On Thu, Jan 09, 2025 at 08:09:16PM -0500, Tim Keller via WLUG wrote: > > Chuck, > > > > That's awesome! I've seen there are apt repositories going as well! > > > > Since this week is a follies dejour for me.. You'll all laugh. > > > > Installing 6.12.8 I managed to mess up my order of operations and > rebooted > > before fully updating the boot loader.. > > > > Don't install kernels when you're sleepy.. > > > > Tim. > > > > On Thu, Jan 9, 2025, 3:28 PM Keith Wright via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> > > wrote: > > > > > I am used to getting an email from Tim Keller when there is > > > a WLUG meeting. I am also used to it being on the second > > > Thursday of the month. One of those didn't happen. > > > > > > Two meetings ago I tried to do a presentation of LaTeX, > > > but share-screen did not work like it did three meetings ago. > > > > > > One meeting ago, share screen worked, but everyone was > > > talking about something else, and I wasn't really ready anyway. > > > > > > I could try again, though I am not really ready today either. > > > ---- > > > > > > Also > > > > > > > Hey Everybody, > > > > > > > > This is a reminder that we've got a meeting tomorrow at WPI! > > > > Time: 7pm > > > > Location: WPI Student Center Room 128 (Taylor Room) Down below the > > > stairs. > > > > Virtual Location: https://meet.jit.si/WlugMA > > > > Topic: frame.work laptop demo, passbolt demo > > > > > > > > Cara Salter has agreed to come and show off her frame.work laptop. > This > > > > laptop is designed with upgrade ability in mind. Components such as > the > > > > motherboard can be easily swapped for more powerful versions, etc. > > > > > > If Cara (or anyone with a frame.work) is still around, I would be > > > interested in an update on this. Does it still work, or did it > > > blow blue smoke? Did you actually upgrade anything? > > > Would you recomend it? > > > ---- > > > > > > Chuck Anderson via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > > > > > > > I noticed in "dnf update" on Fedora 41: > > > > > > > > Installing: > > > > kernel x86_64 6.12.4-200.fc41 updates 0.0 > B > > > > kernel-core x86_64 6.12.4-200.fc41 updates 73.6 > MiB > > > > kernel-modules x86_64 6.12.4-200.fc41 updates 62.5 > MiB > > > > kernel-modules-core x86_64 6.12.4-200.fc41 updates 37.1 > MiB > > > > kernel-modules-extra x86_64 6.12.4-200.fc41 updates 2.7 > MiB > > > > > > OK. Google finds a page that says dnf is Fedora's replacement > > > for yum, which is apt or rpm re-done. Just another package manager. > > > > > > You installed a kernel; what did you notice that was interesting? > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/VAVLW… >

Jan. 10, 2025

Re: WLUG Meeting tonight?

by Chuck Anderson

Fedora is always up-to-date with the newest kernels... On Thu, Jan 09, 2025 at 08:09:16PM -0500, Tim Keller via WLUG wrote: > Chuck, > > That's awesome! I've seen there are apt repositories going as well! > > Since this week is a follies dejour for me.. You'll all laugh. > > Installing 6.12.8 I managed to mess up my order of operations and rebooted > before fully updating the boot loader.. > > Don't install kernels when you're sleepy.. > > Tim. > > On Thu, Jan 9, 2025, 3:28 PM Keith Wright via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> > wrote: > > > I am used to getting an email from Tim Keller when there is > > a WLUG meeting. I am also used to it being on the second > > Thursday of the month. One of those didn't happen. > > > > Two meetings ago I tried to do a presentation of LaTeX, > > but share-screen did not work like it did three meetings ago. > > > > One meeting ago, share screen worked, but everyone was > > talking about something else, and I wasn't really ready anyway. > > > > I could try again, though I am not really ready today either. > > ---- > > > > Also > > > > > Hey Everybody, > > > > > > This is a reminder that we've got a meeting tomorrow at WPI! > > > Time: 7pm > > > Location: WPI Student Center Room 128 (Taylor Room) Down below the > > stairs. > > > Virtual Location: https://meet.jit.si/WlugMA > > > Topic: frame.work laptop demo, passbolt demo > > > > > > Cara Salter has agreed to come and show off her frame.work laptop. This > > > laptop is designed with upgrade ability in mind. Components such as the > > > motherboard can be easily swapped for more powerful versions, etc. > > > > If Cara (or anyone with a frame.work) is still around, I would be > > interested in an update on this. Does it still work, or did it > > blow blue smoke? Did you actually upgrade anything? > > Would you recomend it? > > ---- > > > > Chuck Anderson via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > > > > > I noticed in "dnf update" on Fedora 41: > > > > > > Installing: > > > kernel x86_64 6.12.4-200.fc41 updates 0.0 B > > > kernel-core x86_64 6.12.4-200.fc41 updates 73.6 MiB > > > kernel-modules x86_64 6.12.4-200.fc41 updates 62.5 MiB > > > kernel-modules-core x86_64 6.12.4-200.fc41 updates 37.1 MiB > > > kernel-modules-extra x86_64 6.12.4-200.fc41 updates 2.7 MiB > > > > OK. Google finds a page that says dnf is Fedora's replacement > > for yum, which is apt or rpm re-done. Just another package manager. > > > > You installed a kernel; what did you notice that was interesting?

Jan. 10, 2025