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Re: [Wlug] spamassassin

by Theo Van Dinter

On Tue, Sep 03, 2002 at 09:57:31PM -0400, Charles R. Anderson wrote: > Cool. Why are the RPMs "courtesy of Craig Hughes" then, and point to a > FTP site with 2.20 as the latest? Or was 2.40 the only newer release > since then (a recent release I take it)? I'm not the official distribution site, but I seem to be faster at making RPMs than Craig. The history, BTW, is that Craig made the first 2.[12]* RPMs, and I modified them a bit somewhere around 2.20. They stayed about the same for 2.3, and then completely changed for 2.4 which gathered some errors which I then fixed earlier today. <shrug> It's an interesting project, Justin Mason (the original author) took 6-12 months off to travel around Asia and handed the project to Craig. I think that was around 2.1 or 2.2. Things have been progressing, 2.21, then 2.30, then 2.31, where it stayed for quite a while. Craig decided to start Deersoft for SpamAssassin Pro (Windows-based plugins for Outlook/Exchange), and somewhere in the same period Justin came back. So I'm now not sure who's actually in control of the project, but it's progressing still. I think this is part of the reason why 2.41 is due out shortly. There's been a whole heck of a lot of work put into the 2.40 code, and then the release sorta doesn't go out smoothly, and bugs are found (I'd like to slap the people who changed my Razor2 code) that apparently weren't fully tested with all the other changes. I'm sure it'll get better as we go on. :) -- Randomly Generated Tagline: "With a PC, I always felt limited by the software available. On Unix, I am limited only by my knowledge." - Peter Schoenster

Sept. 4, 2002

Re: [Wlug] spamassassin

by Charles R. Anderson

On Tue, Sep 03, 2002 at 09:51:49PM -0400, Theo Van Dinter wrote: felicity> Yeah, I'm one of the contributing developers ... RPM, Razor2 support, felicity> a handful of other things. :) Cool. Why are the RPMs "courtesy of Craig Hughes" then, and point to a FTP site with 2.20 as the latest? Or was 2.40 the only newer release since then (a recent release I take it)? -- Charles R. Anderson <cra(a)wpi.edu> / http://angus.ind.wpi.edu/~cra/ PGP Key ID: 49BB5886 Fingerprint: EBA3 A106 7C93 FA07 8E15 3AC2 C367 A0F9 49BB 5886

Sept. 4, 2002

Re: [Wlug] spamassassin

by Theo Van Dinter

On Tue, Sep 03, 2002 at 09:44:06PM -0400, Charles R. Anderson wrote: > So, do you have 2.40 packaged in RPM yet? I see you did 2.20: Yeah, it's been up at http://www.kluge.net/ftp/pub/felicity/SRPMS/ for a day or so now. I would wait for 2.41 which is due out in the next day or so... Several bugs have surfaced in 2.40 that we're crunching on to fix. > * Fri Apr 19 2002 Theo Van Dinter <felicity(a)kluge.net> Yeah, I'm one of the contributing developers ... RPM, Razor2 support, a handful of other things. :) -- Randomly Generated Tagline: "Good judgment comes from bad experience, and a lot of that comes from bad judgment." - Zen Musings

Sept. 4, 2002

Re: [Wlug] spamassassin

by Charles R. Anderson

On Tue, Sep 03, 2002 at 08:56:44PM -0400, Theo Van Dinter wrote: felicity> Actually it did: Oops. I hate when search next finds the same match that you are on...Know how to fix that in Mutt? felicity> That rule was modified in 2.40 to be case sensitive, so it doesn't match felicity> any longer. :) There was a push to get rid of single-word tests. So, do you have 2.40 packaged in RPM yet? I see you did 2.20: * Fri Apr 19 2002 Theo Van Dinter <felicity(a)kluge.net> - Updated for 2.20 release - made /etc/mail/spamassassin a config directory so local.cf doesn't get wiped out - added a patch to remove findbin stuff -- Charles R. Anderson <cra(a)wpi.edu> / http://angus.ind.wpi.edu/~cra/ PGP Key ID: 49BB5886 Fingerprint: EBA3 A106 7C93 FA07 8E15 3AC2 C367 A0F9 49BB 5886

Sept. 4, 2002

Re: [Wlug] WLUG's membership in BUG

by brad

On Sunday 01 September 2002 04:39 pm, George Metz wrote: > Boston User Groups was started as a corporate-sponsored way to get US > Datacenters into the User Group scene, as it were. I recall meeting the people from US Datacenters at a Boston Linux Unix install fest a few years back. They would periodicly attend BLU meetings. I was not impressed with them. It seems that we get all the exposure we need with google. my vote is no. --brad

Sept. 4, 2002

Re: [Wlug] spamassassin

by Theo Van Dinter

On Tue, Sep 03, 2002 at 08:29:11PM -0400, Charles R. Anderson wrote: > Heh...somehow SpamAssassin flagged this as a Viagra spam :) Interesting, > since it didn't mention Viagra anywhere... Stop talking dirty Keith! Actually it did: "How is this possible with all the great deals on Viagra that come through the Internet every day!? He goes on to taunt" BTW: the message gets -6.5 in 2.4x. :) That rule was modified in 2.40 to be case sensitive, so it doesn't match any longer. :) There was a push to get rid of single-word tests. -- Randomly Generated Tagline: "One should admire Windows users. It takes a great deal of courage to trust Windows with your data." - Unknown

Sept. 4, 2002

Re: [Wlug] RH7.3 Questions -round 4

by Charles R. Anderson

On Tue, Sep 03, 2002 at 07:33:49PM -0400, Richard Goodman wrote: dick> Well, I thought everything was working, but sendmail won't receive mail. dick> Has something changed between the versions of sendmail on RH7.0 and RH7.3 Yes, exactly. Red Hat (or Sendmail, I forget) changed the default for sendmail to listen only on 127.0.0.1, to prevent insecure default open mail relays. This is mentioned in the Red Hat 7.3 Release Notes.... To fix it, edit /etc/mail/sendmail.mc. Find the line with "Port=smtp,Addr=127.0.0.1, Name=MTA". Comment it out by putting dnl at the beginning of that line. Then regenerate the /etc/sendmail.cf from the mc file like this: m4 /etc/mail/sendmail.mc > /etc/sendmail.cf And please limit access to sendmail properly so you don't become an open relay (/etc/mail/access)! -- Charles R. Anderson <cra(a)wpi.edu> / http://angus.ind.wpi.edu/~cra/ PGP Key ID: 49BB5886 Fingerprint: EBA3 A106 7C93 FA07 8E15 3AC2 C367 A0F9 49BB 5886

Sept. 4, 2002

spamassassin

by Charles R. Anderson

Heh...somehow SpamAssassin flagged this as a Viagra spam :) Interesting, since it didn't mention Viagra anywhere... Stop talking dirty Keith! It might be time to get a new ISP, too, since yours is blackholed in an RBL.... ----- Forwarded message from Keith Wright <kwright(a)gis.net> ----- Subject: *****SPAM***** Re: [Wlug] WLUG's membership in BUG X-Spam-Status: Yes, hits=5.5 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,X_AUTH_WARNING,DOUBLE_CAPSWORD,FOR_FREE,VIAGRA, PORN_14,ASCII_FORM_ENTRY,RCVD_IN_OSIRUSOFT_COM version=2.31 X-Spam-Flag: YES X-Spam-Level: ***** X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.31 (devel $Id: SpamAssassin.pm,v 1.94.2.2 2002/06/20 17:20:29 hughescr Exp $) X-Spam-Report: 5.5 hits, 5 required; * -3.4 -- Found a In-Reply-To header * -0.7 -- Found a X-Authentication-Warning header * 1.1 -- BODY: A word in all caps repeated on the line * 1.1 -- BODY: No such thing as a free lunch (1) * 4.7 -- BODY: Plugs Viagra * 0.2 -- BODY: Uses words and phrases which indicate porn (14) * 0.5 -- BODY: Contains an ASCII-formatted form * 2.0 -- RBL: Received via a relay in relays.osirusoft.com [RBL check: found 245.48.41.216.relays.osirusoft.com., type: 127.0.0.3] ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Charles R. Anderson <cra(a)wpi.edu> / http://angus.ind.wpi.edu/~cra/ PGP Key ID: 49BB5886 Fingerprint: EBA3 A106 7C93 FA07 8E15 3AC2 C367 A0F9 49BB 5886

Sept. 4, 2002

RH7.3 Questions -round 4

by Richard Goodman

Well, I thought everything was working, but sendmail won't receive mail. 1) Doing a status on sendmail says its running 2) dig says that named is running on that server and returns all proper looking info. 3) I had saved the WORKING access, local-host-names and virtusertable files before replacing the bad hard drive and had copied them back into /etc/mail and done a make, so I assume they're good 4) I just restarted the mail server, which logged the following: Sep 3 19:03:39 boron sendmail[2674]: alias database /etc/aliases rebuilt by root Sep 3 19:03:39 boron sendmail[2674]: /etc/aliases: 40 aliases, longest 10 bytes, 395 bytes total Sep 3 19:03:40 boron sendmail[2687]: starting daemon (8.11.6): SMTP+queueing@01:00:00 The test mailing has the following entries in the SENDING sendmail log, and NO entries in the receiving sendmail log or firewall log: Sep 3 17:12:40 bach sendmail[11154]: g83LCec11154: from=<dick(a)goodman1.net>, size=385, class=0, nrc pts=1, msgid=<4.2.0.58.20020903171330.00a3f418(a)pop.goodman1.net>, proto=ESMTP, daemon=MTA, relay=hos t3.goodman1.net [192.168.1.3] Sep 3 17:12:41 bach sendmail[11156]: g83LCec11154: to=<r.goodman(a)11harvard.com>, ctladdr=<dick@good man1.net> (503/503), delay=00:00:01, xdelay=00:00:01, mailer=esmtp, pri=30385, relay=11harvard.com. [66.92.78.250], dsn=4.0.0, stat=Deferred: Connection refused by 11harvard.com. and the following on a retry Sep 3 18:23:52 bach sendmail[11217]: g83LCec11154: to=<r.goodman(a)11harvard.com>, ctladdr=<dick@good man1.net> (503/503), delay=01:11:12, xdelay=00:00:00, mailer=esmtp, pri=210385, relay=11harvard.com. [66.92.78.250], dsn=4.0.0, stat=Deferred: Connection refused by 11harvard.com. I have three similar servers (the other two still RH7.0) and I have never touched the sendmail config - only the access, local-host-names and virtusertable files on any of them. Has something changed between the versions of sendmail on RH7.0 and RH7.3 or have I missed something. The lack of any message on the receiving server puzzles me. Or has something changed in named relating to mail? Dick

Sept. 3, 2002

Re: [Wlug] WLUG's membership in BUG

by Keith Wright

Andy> From: Andy Stewart <andystewart(a)attbi.com> Andy> Andy> Last year around this time, an organization was formed Andy> called the Boston User Groups Andy> Andy> Our yearly membership dues are being requested by BUG. Andy> Andy> Take a look at the BUG webpage... I wonder how many did that, nobody has praised it here. Andy> My initial question was to wonder about what tangible Andy> benefit WLUG received for its $50 expenditure. Andy> Andy> a) BUG has a link to the WLUG website on its website For $5 I will put a link on my website. Does anybody check the BugSite regularly? I found it rather unpleasant, with font too small and javascript to open a new window when you tried to link to one of the member groups. Andy> b) WLUG had a table at last year's MegaMeeting and Andy> gave out literature advertising the group, its Andy> meetings, etc. What would it take to get a table at this meeting? The strongest argument I can think of for sending in the $50 to give a new group a second chance. That is, send the money, go again to the meeting, try again to get on their calendar, but let them know we are unhappy. If we are not going to the only meeting they have in a year, then what is the purpose of sending them money so we can ignore each other for another year? Andy> c) I met some leaders of other regional user groups Andy> while eating free pizza, drinking free soda, and Andy> touring the US DataCenters facility in Marlboro, MA. Fifty bucks is a lot of money for free pizza, especially if someone else eats it. Does the dues money get anyone into the MegaMeeting free? Andy> My question to WLUG is: Andy> Andy> Do we as a group wish to continue our participation in Andy> BUG for $50/year ? Clint> From: "Clint Moyer" <cdmoyer(a)charter.net> Clint> Clint> If some people feel somewhat bruised by a tangential Clint> connection to MS, well that's kind of sad. The question is not whether some of the User Groups are connected to MS, but whether any of them are connected to Worcester or Linux. jkinz> From: jkinz(a)rcn.com jkinz> jkinz> My 0.02: Spend the $50. It helps give your jkinz> organization visibility and a professional cachet. But how much visibility do we get? A link on a web page is not the cover of the Rolling Stone. As for professional cachet, that is an expensive cologne that I only wear when I am getting paid. jkinz> But I don't get a vote since I'm not a member. At jkinz> least I don't think I'm a member. jkinz> jkinz> How do you officially join up ? I don't know either. I don't think there is an official membership list. Maybe voting on this topic should be confined to people who can say that (the dollars put in the collection box minus the soda cans emptied at the meetings) is positive. From: "Brian J. Conway" <bconway(a)alum.wpi.edu> Brian> Brian> I vote no. We received no real benefits from our Brian> original 50 dollars spent, they won't list our events Brian> on their calendar, and their user group links don't Brian> even work through a text browser. That 50 bucks Brian> would be much better spent elsewhere (beer and Brian> pizza??). Brian> Perhaps people should just address their votes to Brian> Andy and not the list? A vote with no discussion of the issue is a meaningless ritual. We don't even have an official list of voting members. I think the discussion is more important than the outcome. GM> From: "George Metz" <wolfstar(a)shadownet.wox.org> GM> GM> I'm not a member, but I DID work at RCN during that GM> MegaMeeting. GM> GM> Boston User Groups was started as a corporate-sponsored GM> way to get US Datacenters into the User Group scene, as GM> it were. I don't know what a US Datacenter is, but that doesn't sound like it means they were started to help us. GM> Incidentally, US Datacenters is no longer in that GM> building, IIRC. This years MegaMeeting is not in the same place as last year, I think. GM> Of course, I MIGHT be biased by the fact that they took GM> over the building I worked at for a meeting that they GM> didn't clear with (or notify) any of the other companies GM> OR the management in the building. That doesn't sound very professional. Andy> Unless I hear otherwise, my plan is to inform Rick of Andy> our departure from BUG within the next few days. I Andy> currently have no plans to have a WLUG presence at the Andy> MegaMeeting, but I'm open to hearing different Andy> opinions (if any). Well I suppose it would be polite to let him know that the check may not be in the mail. But since membership seems to have no effect at all, except they put a semi-broken link from their website to ours, there is no hurry to quit either. I checked the web pages cited in Rick's message, mostly to check that the link was valid after I re-edited back to Ascii... Dvorak> John C. Dvorak raves on: Dvorak> Dvorak> The industry has recently stagnated as market Dvorak> penetration has stopped dead, How is this possible with all the great deals on Viagra that come through the Internet every day!? He goes on to taunt the marketing departments of several very large corporations for failing to throw money at "users groups". He may be right, although he gets paid the same for being wrong. In either case it's not my problem. WPI gives us a place to meet, and an internet connection. (do I have that right?) This is just the support we need. I am glad we have no corporate sponsor sending marketing droids to hijack our meetings. Rich's repeated references to "aggressive promotion" and "increased visibility" also leave me cold. If I had just spent $3000 to rent a room for the evening I might care about that, but I wasn't that stupid. I also checked the web page for the MegaMeeting, although I did not expect I would want to drive all the way into Boston for it. When I saw that it was to be in Framingham, I changed my mind and thought it might be worth dropping in to see what's happening. Then I saw they are charging ten dollars admission. In that case, I want to know what's happening before I blow my weeks allowance. I could see Spiderman for that! The main attraction is Bob Davis, former CEO of Lycos and Terra Lycos, and currently a venture partner at Highland Capital Partners, will present Street Smart Lessons from the Front Lines of Business.  Bob will also be available following the presentation for a book signing of Speed Is Life Or in other words, unemployed yet suspiciously rich guy in suit, who thinks he's a technology guru even though he could not write the device driver for a lightbulb, promotes himself, his book, and his plan for YOU to get RICH using the revolutionary power of Positive Thinking^W^W The Internet^W^W buying his advice. The more I see, the less I feel I have in common with these people. Maybe we would have more fun joining with the Northampton Homebrew Beer Filter Users Group. I have squelched the HTML which adds nothing much to the text. BUG> ---------- Forwarded Message ---------- > BUG> Subject: An update to all user group leaders... BUG> Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 14:18:34 -0400 BUG> From: Rick Zach <rzach(a)bostonusergroups.com> BUG> To: members(a)bostonusergroups.com > BUG> Our annual user group MegaMeeting-III is near! Wed, Sept-25 > BUG> Sheraton Tara in Framingham, MA BUG> Wednesday, September 25 from 6:30 - 9:30 PM BUG> http://www.BostonUserGroups.com/MegaMeeting > > BUG> To all user group leaders: > BUG> Boston User Groups is now almost one year old (at least BUG> as a true non-profit corporate entity) and BUG> MegaMeeting-III is just around the corner. Our value BUG> proposition TO you and our expectations OF you as a BUG> user group leader are quite simple: > > BUG> Boston User Groups' value proposition TO you: BUG> * Greatly increase your user group's visibility to the public BUG> * Help promote, increase and cross pollinate your user group BUG> membership with other groups BUG> * Assist to provide speakers via BUG web site awareness BUG> * Provide an annual MegaMeeting for face-to-face BUG> networking and exposure > > BUG> Boston User Groups expectation OF you as a user group leader BUG> * Greatly increase your User Group's visibility to the public BUG> by promoting BUG and it's other user groups BUG> * Have a link on your home page or other readily visible BUG> location on your web site back to BUG (again to increase BUG> mutual awareness) BUG> * Promote the MegaMeeting to your group to increase our BUG> mutual awareness > > BUG> As you can see, even BUG's expectations OF you are BUG> solely to help promote all user groups which certainly BUG> includes you. I would like to leave you with two BUG> thoughts and a "call to action": > BUG> 1) Like your own user group, Boston User Groups is BUG> mostly funded by out-of-pocket personal donations of BUG> it's User Group leadership. In the case of BUG> MegaMeeting-III, we could not locate a free facility of BUG> adequate size and location so certain people fronted BUG> about $3,000 for room rental in the expectation of BUG> re-covering the costs by renewed BUG/UG leader BUG> memberships, door admission and a few corporate BUG> sponsorships. We are VERY non-profit. > BUG> 2) I ask you to please help to aggressively promote the BUG> upcoming MegaMeeting and BUG. In the process, you will BUG> be promoting your own group! > > BUG> MegaMeeting-III Chairperson Brad Dinerman will be BUG> following up with a "call to action" email with BUG> specifics on up-front cash costs to you (none) and how BUG> to help promote the MegaMeeting and your own group! > BUG> Please look for Brad's email coming soon. > > BUG> And finally: > BUG> Please note a recent article by John C. Dvorak on the death of BUG> User Groups and the few glimmers of light out there. As a BUG> united group of groups, we may be one of those few glimmers. BUG> Please help us to help each other! > BUG> The URL is BUG> http://www.pcmag.com/print_article/0,3048,a=29639,00.asp > > BUG> ______________________________________ BUG> Rick Zach, President BUG> Boston User Groups, Inc. BUG> cel: 508-395-8730 > BUG> http://www.bostonusergroups.com/Benefactors/

Sept. 3, 2002