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Re: Replacing discord...

by John Stoffel

>>>>> "eroc1990" == eroc1990 <eroc1990(a)protonmail.com> writes: But I'd like our servers and spaces to be public! We want to encourage people to join, or at least make it trivial for people to join and see us and our community. > I did. I've also witnessed these attacks first-hand on other > spaces. It's only a problem for public servers because anyone can > join. If your space and rooms are private, that attack vector > closes. > -------- Original Message -------- > On Tuesday, 02/10/26 at 17:20 John Stoffel via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: >>>>> "eroc1990" == eroc1990 <eroc1990(a)protonmail.com> writes: > Did you read the article i posted? Part of the issue is CSAM being > pushed into matrix servers and the management was hard to make work. > But maybe that's gotten better and if we ran our own server it > wouldn't be a problem? > Something to talk about for sure on thursday. I'm not up on these > tools at all, but I do want to make sure that email chats and signal > chats are shared widely as possible. > And one of the choices I failed to list is: > - instant messages (signal) > - email threads. > Those are two aspects. When I got home sunday and found 130+ messages > in signal to catch up on, it was pretty funny. But did I really need > to read them all? Maybe. Did I enjoy it? Enventually once I read > them. > But I like the mailing list and how I don't need to be watching it > constantly, nor do I get dinged with notifications. Whcih is both > good and bad. LOL! > John >> I feel like the obvious winner in this case would be Matrix. Synapse >> can be a bit of a bear to set up, but you get E2EE in both 1:1 and >> Rooms, things can be organized into Spaces and you're able to freely >> join and leave any room or space that's irrelevant to >> you. Administration isn't all that bad when you're running a Private >> server, but it comes with costs in terms of the resources needed to >> store and serve the various components of Matrix. Would be curious >> if anyone has any proclivities toward another service with similar >> offerings. >> On Tuesday, February 10th, 2026 at 3:49 PM, John Stoffel via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: >>> >>> Hi all, >>> A bunch of us are also chatting on signal (look in the email archives >>> for a link to join!) and I feel like we're leaving the email forum >>> users behind. >>> >>> And we need to keep the WLUG community working together and sharing >>> together, no matter what their systems or resources are. >>> >>> I found this interesting article on replacing discord with something >>> new. >>> >>> https://taggart-tech.com/discord-alternatives/ >>> >>> And I thought we as a group show evaluate some of these options as >>> well. In order of requirements I think: >>> >>> >>> - needs to be open >>> - WLUG needs to control the data >>> - needs to have clients across a swath of systems. >>> - web based >>> - CLI / plain text based >>> - Apple/Android clients. >>> - searchable >>> - able to organize a bit into channels. >>> - announcements >>> - regular chat >>> - questions or howtos >>> >>> Right now I enjoy the signal chat and how free form it is, but since I >>> can only read it on my phone because getting a CLI client working is a >>> pain... and I don't want to install the signal app on my work >>> laptop. >>> >>> So what do people think? >>> >>> John >>> _______________________________________________ >>> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >>> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >>> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ >>> Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ >>> Web Forum/Archive: https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/XQDKN… >>> > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/LCJ64…

Feb. 11, 2026

Re: Replacing discord...

by Tim Keller

My plan is to start my own stable coin.. I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers". On Wed, Feb 11, 2026, 7:34 AM <steve(a)patternsoft.net> wrote: > What ever we decide if it ends up costing money Tim you should not take > that on yourself. Can we at least provide an optional way to pitch in? A > maybe a WLUG patreon? > > On Feb 11, 2026, at 6:56 AM, Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> > wrote: > > > > John's point that we are leaving people out of the loop because they're > not in the signal chat is a valid concern. > > Since I'm not paying for meetup.. I'd be down to clown to run a DO droplet > that hosted a private *something* for us. > > I do like the real-time nature of signal, I feel it has given wlug the > "community" thing that in the mailing lacks. For better or worse this feels > like yelling into the ether instead of a conversation. > > We will definitely talk about this at the meeting tomorrow. > > I've long talked about running a zulip server.. maybe that's an option? > > Tim. > > On Tue, Feb 10, 2026, 9:33 PM Tracie Winslow <traciewinslow7(a)gmail.com> > wrote: > >> What about Mattermost? >> >> >> *"For a long time it seemed to me that life was about to begin - real >> life. But there was always some obstacle in the way, something to be gotten >> through first, some unfinished business, time still to be served, a debt to >> be paid. At last it dawned on me that these obstacles were my life. This >> perspective has helped me to see there is no way to happiness. Happiness is >> the way. So treasure every moment you have and remember that time waits for >> no one."*- Souza >> >> On Tue, Feb 10, 2026, 7:05 PM eroc1990 via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> >> wrote: >> >>> I did. I've also witnessed these attacks first-hand on other spaces. >>> It's only a problem for public servers because anyone can join. If your >>> space and rooms are private, that attack vector closes. >>> >>> -------- Original Message -------- >>> On Tuesday, 02/10/26 at 17:20 John Stoffel via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> >>> wrote: >>> >>>>> "eroc1990" == eroc1990 <eroc1990(a)protonmail.com> writes: >>> >>> Did you read the article i posted? Part of the issue is CSAM being >>> pushed into matrix servers and the management was hard to make work. >>> But maybe that's gotten better and if we ran our own server it >>> wouldn't be a problem? >>> >>> Something to talk about for sure on thursday. I'm not up on these >>> tools at all, but I do want to make sure that email chats and signal >>> chats are shared widely as possible. >>> >>> And one of the choices I failed to list is: >>> >>> - instant messages (signal) >>> - email threads. >>> >>> Those are two aspects. When I got home sunday and found 130+ messages >>> in signal to catch up on, it was pretty funny. But did I really need >>> to read them all? Maybe. Did I enjoy it? Enventually once I read >>> them. >>> >>> But I like the mailing list and how I don't need to be watching it >>> constantly, nor do I get dinged with notifications. Whcih is both >>> good and bad. LOL! >>> >>> John >>> >>> >>> > I feel like the obvious winner in this case would be Matrix. Synapse >>> > can be a bit of a bear to set up, but you get E2EE in both 1:1 and >>> > Rooms, things can be organized into Spaces and you're able to freely >>> > join and leave any room or space that's irrelevant to >>> > you. Administration isn't all that bad when you're running a Private >>> > server, but it comes with costs in terms of the resources needed to >>> > store and serve the various components of Matrix. Would be curious >>> > if anyone has any proclivities toward another service with similar >>> > offerings. >>> >>> >>> >>> > On Tuesday, February 10th, 2026 at 3:49 PM, John Stoffel via WLUG < >>> wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: >>> >>> >> >>> >> Hi all, >>> >> A bunch of us are also chatting on signal (look in the email archives >>> >> for a link to join!) and I feel like we're leaving the email forum >>> >> users behind. >>> >> >>> >> And we need to keep the WLUG community working together and sharing >>> >> together, no matter what their systems or resources are. >>> >> >>> >> I found this interesting article on replacing discord with something >>> >> new. >>> >> >>> >> https://taggart-tech.com/discord-alternatives/ >>> >> >>> >> And I thought we as a group show evaluate some of these options as >>> >> well. In order of requirements I think: >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> - needs to be open >>> >> - WLUG needs to control the data >>> >> - needs to have clients across a swath of systems. >>> >> - web based >>> >> - CLI / plain text based >>> >> - Apple/Android clients. >>> >> - searchable >>> >> - able to organize a bit into channels. >>> >> - announcements >>> >> - regular chat >>> >> - questions or howtos >>> >> >>> >> Right now I enjoy the signal chat and how free form it is, but since I >>> >> can only read it on my phone because getting a CLI client working is a >>> >> pain... and I don't want to install the signal app on my work >>> >> laptop. >>> >> >>> >> So what do people think? >>> >> >>> >> John >>> >> _______________________________________________ >>> >> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >>> >> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >>> >> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ >>> >> Change Settings: >>> https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ >>> >> Web Forum/Archive: >>> https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/XQDKN… >>> >> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >>> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >>> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ >>> Change Settings: >>> https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ >>> Web Forum/Archive: >>> https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/LCJ64… >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >>> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >>> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ >>> Change Settings: >>> https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ >>> Web Forum/Archive: >>> https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/A7UIL… >>> >> _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/KLCVN… > >

Feb. 11, 2026

Re: Replacing discord...

by steve＠patternsoft.net

Feb. 11, 2026

Re: Replacing discord...

by Tim Keller

John's point that we are leaving people out of the loop because they're not in the signal chat is a valid concern. Since I'm not paying for meetup.. I'd be down to clown to run a DO droplet that hosted a private *something* for us. I do like the real-time nature of signal, I feel it has given wlug the "community" thing that in the mailing lacks. For better or worse this feels like yelling into the ether instead of a conversation. We will definitely talk about this at the meeting tomorrow. I've long talked about running a zulip server.. maybe that's an option? Tim. On Tue, Feb 10, 2026, 9:33 PM Tracie Winslow <traciewinslow7(a)gmail.com> wrote: > What about Mattermost? > > > *"For a long time it seemed to me that life was about to begin - real > life. But there was always some obstacle in the way, something to be gotten > through first, some unfinished business, time still to be served, a debt to > be paid. At last it dawned on me that these obstacles were my life. This > perspective has helped me to see there is no way to happiness. Happiness is > the way. So treasure every moment you have and remember that time waits for > no one."*- Souza > > On Tue, Feb 10, 2026, 7:05 PM eroc1990 via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> > wrote: > >> I did. I've also witnessed these attacks first-hand on other spaces. It's >> only a problem for public servers because anyone can join. If your space >> and rooms are private, that attack vector closes. >> >> -------- Original Message -------- >> On Tuesday, 02/10/26 at 17:20 John Stoffel via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> >> wrote: >> >>>>> "eroc1990" == eroc1990 <eroc1990(a)protonmail.com> writes: >> >> Did you read the article i posted? Part of the issue is CSAM being >> pushed into matrix servers and the management was hard to make work. >> But maybe that's gotten better and if we ran our own server it >> wouldn't be a problem? >> >> Something to talk about for sure on thursday. I'm not up on these >> tools at all, but I do want to make sure that email chats and signal >> chats are shared widely as possible. >> >> And one of the choices I failed to list is: >> >> - instant messages (signal) >> - email threads. >> >> Those are two aspects. When I got home sunday and found 130+ messages >> in signal to catch up on, it was pretty funny. But did I really need >> to read them all? Maybe. Did I enjoy it? Enventually once I read >> them. >> >> But I like the mailing list and how I don't need to be watching it >> constantly, nor do I get dinged with notifications. Whcih is both >> good and bad. LOL! >> >> John >> >> >> > I feel like the obvious winner in this case would be Matrix. Synapse >> > can be a bit of a bear to set up, but you get E2EE in both 1:1 and >> > Rooms, things can be organized into Spaces and you're able to freely >> > join and leave any room or space that's irrelevant to >> > you. Administration isn't all that bad when you're running a Private >> > server, but it comes with costs in terms of the resources needed to >> > store and serve the various components of Matrix. Would be curious >> > if anyone has any proclivities toward another service with similar >> > offerings. >> >> >> >> > On Tuesday, February 10th, 2026 at 3:49 PM, John Stoffel via WLUG < >> wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> Hi all, >> >> A bunch of us are also chatting on signal (look in the email archives >> >> for a link to join!) and I feel like we're leaving the email forum >> >> users behind. >> >> >> >> And we need to keep the WLUG community working together and sharing >> >> together, no matter what their systems or resources are. >> >> >> >> I found this interesting article on replacing discord with something >> >> new. >> >> >> >> https://taggart-tech.com/discord-alternatives/ >> >> >> >> And I thought we as a group show evaluate some of these options as >> >> well. In order of requirements I think: >> >> >> >> >> >> - needs to be open >> >> - WLUG needs to control the data >> >> - needs to have clients across a swath of systems. >> >> - web based >> >> - CLI / plain text based >> >> - Apple/Android clients. >> >> - searchable >> >> - able to organize a bit into channels. >> >> - announcements >> >> - regular chat >> >> - questions or howtos >> >> >> >> Right now I enjoy the signal chat and how free form it is, but since I >> >> can only read it on my phone because getting a CLI client working is a >> >> pain... and I don't want to install the signal app on my work >> >> laptop. >> >> >> >> So what do people think? >> >> >> >> John >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >> >> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >> >> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ >> >> Change Settings: >> https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ >> >> Web Forum/Archive: >> https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/XQDKN… >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ >> Change Settings: >> https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ >> Web Forum/Archive: >> https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/LCJ64… >> >> _______________________________________________ >> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ >> Change Settings: >> https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ >> Web Forum/Archive: >> https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/A7UIL… >> >

Feb. 11, 2026

Re: Replacing discord...

by Tracie Winslow

What about Mattermost? *"For a long time it seemed to me that life was about to begin - real life. But there was always some obstacle in the way, something to be gotten through first, some unfinished business, time still to be served, a debt to be paid. At last it dawned on me that these obstacles were my life. This perspective has helped me to see there is no way to happiness. Happiness is the way. So treasure every moment you have and remember that time waits for no one."*- Souza On Tue, Feb 10, 2026, 7:05 PM eroc1990 via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > I did. I've also witnessed these attacks first-hand on other spaces. It's > only a problem for public servers because anyone can join. If your space > and rooms are private, that attack vector closes. > > -------- Original Message -------- > On Tuesday, 02/10/26 at 17:20 John Stoffel via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> > wrote: > >>>>> "eroc1990" == eroc1990 <eroc1990(a)protonmail.com> writes: > > Did you read the article i posted? Part of the issue is CSAM being > pushed into matrix servers and the management was hard to make work. > But maybe that's gotten better and if we ran our own server it > wouldn't be a problem? > > Something to talk about for sure on thursday. I'm not up on these > tools at all, but I do want to make sure that email chats and signal > chats are shared widely as possible. > > And one of the choices I failed to list is: > > - instant messages (signal) > - email threads. > > Those are two aspects. When I got home sunday and found 130+ messages > in signal to catch up on, it was pretty funny. But did I really need > to read them all? Maybe. Did I enjoy it? Enventually once I read > them. > > But I like the mailing list and how I don't need to be watching it > constantly, nor do I get dinged with notifications. Whcih is both > good and bad. LOL! > > John > > > > I feel like the obvious winner in this case would be Matrix. Synapse > > can be a bit of a bear to set up, but you get E2EE in both 1:1 and > > Rooms, things can be organized into Spaces and you're able to freely > > join and leave any room or space that's irrelevant to > > you. Administration isn't all that bad when you're running a Private > > server, but it comes with costs in terms of the resources needed to > > store and serve the various components of Matrix. Would be curious > > if anyone has any proclivities toward another service with similar > > offerings. > > > > > On Tuesday, February 10th, 2026 at 3:49 PM, John Stoffel via WLUG < > wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > > >> > >> Hi all, > >> A bunch of us are also chatting on signal (look in the email archives > >> for a link to join!) and I feel like we're leaving the email forum > >> users behind. > >> > >> And we need to keep the WLUG community working together and sharing > >> together, no matter what their systems or resources are. > >> > >> I found this interesting article on replacing discord with something > >> new. > >> > >> https://taggart-tech.com/discord-alternatives/ > >> > >> And I thought we as a group show evaluate some of these options as > >> well. In order of requirements I think: > >> > >> > >> - needs to be open > >> - WLUG needs to control the data > >> - needs to have clients across a swath of systems. > >> - web based > >> - CLI / plain text based > >> - Apple/Android clients. > >> - searchable > >> - able to organize a bit into channels. > >> - announcements > >> - regular chat > >> - questions or howtos > >> > >> Right now I enjoy the signal chat and how free form it is, but since I > >> can only read it on my phone because getting a CLI client working is a > >> pain... and I don't want to install the signal app on my work > >> laptop. > >> > >> So what do people think? > >> > >> John > >> _______________________________________________ > >> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > >> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > >> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > >> Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > >> Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/XQDKN… > >> > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/LCJ64… > > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/A7UIL… >

Feb. 11, 2026

Re: Replacing discord...

by eroc1990

I did. I've also witnessed these attacks first-hand on other spaces. It's only a problem for public servers because anyone can join. If your space and rooms are private, that attack vector closes. -------- Original Message -------- On Tuesday, 02/10/26 at 17:20 John Stoffel via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: >>>>> "eroc1990" == eroc1990 <eroc1990(a)protonmail.com> writes: Did you read the article i posted? Part of the issue is CSAM being pushed into matrix servers and the management was hard to make work. But maybe that's gotten better and if we ran our own server it wouldn't be a problem? Something to talk about for sure on thursday. I'm not up on these tools at all, but I do want to make sure that email chats and signal chats are shared widely as possible. And one of the choices I failed to list is: - instant messages (signal) - email threads. Those are two aspects. When I got home sunday and found 130+ messages in signal to catch up on, it was pretty funny. But did I really need to read them all? Maybe. Did I enjoy it? Enventually once I read them. But I like the mailing list and how I don't need to be watching it constantly, nor do I get dinged with notifications. Whcih is both good and bad. LOL! John > I feel like the obvious winner in this case would be Matrix. Synapse > can be a bit of a bear to set up, but you get E2EE in both 1:1 and > Rooms, things can be organized into Spaces and you're able to freely > join and leave any room or space that's irrelevant to > you. Administration isn't all that bad when you're running a Private > server, but it comes with costs in terms of the resources needed to > store and serve the various components of Matrix. Would be curious > if anyone has any proclivities toward another service with similar > offerings. > On Tuesday, February 10th, 2026 at 3:49 PM, John Stoffel via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: >> >> Hi all, >> A bunch of us are also chatting on signal (look in the email archives >> for a link to join!) and I feel like we're leaving the email forum >> users behind. >> >> And we need to keep the WLUG community working together and sharing >> together, no matter what their systems or resources are. >> >> I found this interesting article on replacing discord with something >> new. >> >> https://taggart-tech.com/discord-alternatives/ >> >> And I thought we as a group show evaluate some of these options as >> well. In order of requirements I think: >> >> >> - needs to be open >> - WLUG needs to control the data >> - needs to have clients across a swath of systems. >> - web based >> - CLI / plain text based >> - Apple/Android clients. >> - searchable >> - able to organize a bit into channels. >> - announcements >> - regular chat >> - questions or howtos >> >> Right now I enjoy the signal chat and how free form it is, but since I >> can only read it on my phone because getting a CLI client working is a >> pain... and I don't want to install the signal app on my work >> laptop. >> >> So what do people think? >> >> John >> _______________________________________________ >> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ >> Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ >> Web Forum/Archive: https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/XQDKN… >> _______________________________________________ WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ Web Forum/Archive: https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/LCJ64…

Feb. 11, 2026

Re: Replacing discord...

by Chuck Anderson

Signal is too much--I have thousands of unread messages, most of which were sent by 2 people. Signal is for real-time conversations (like IRC), not discussions to be read at leisure (like email lists or forums). Fedora uses Discourse (not Discord). Maybe that's worth investigating? I've been mostly able to live with its email integration. "https://www.discourse.org/about Open source at heart Discourse has been open source since 2013, with our full codebase on GitHub. Your community data is never locked into a proprietary system; you can self-host, migrate away if your needs change, or customize the platform in ways closed software won't allow. Hundreds of developers have contributed security patches, accessibility improvements, and new features over the years. It's how we believe community software should be built." On Tue, Feb 10, 2026 at 05:20:16PM -0500, John Stoffel via WLUG wrote: > >>>>> "eroc1990" == eroc1990 <eroc1990(a)protonmail.com> writes: > > Did you read the article i posted? Part of the issue is CSAM being > pushed into matrix servers and the management was hard to make work. > But maybe that's gotten better and if we ran our own server it > wouldn't be a problem? > > Something to talk about for sure on thursday. I'm not up on these > tools at all, but I do want to make sure that email chats and signal > chats are shared widely as possible. > > And one of the choices I failed to list is: > > - instant messages (signal) > - email threads. > > Those are two aspects. When I got home sunday and found 130+ messages > in signal to catch up on, it was pretty funny. But did I really need > to read them all? Maybe. Did I enjoy it? Enventually once I read > them. > > But I like the mailing list and how I don't need to be watching it > constantly, nor do I get dinged with notifications. Whcih is both > good and bad. LOL! > > John > > > > I feel like the obvious winner in this case would be Matrix. Synapse > > can be a bit of a bear to set up, but you get E2EE in both 1:1 and > > Rooms, things can be organized into Spaces and you're able to freely > > join and leave any room or space that's irrelevant to > > you. Administration isn't all that bad when you're running a Private > > server, but it comes with costs in terms of the resources needed to > > store and serve the various components of Matrix. Would be curious > > if anyone has any proclivities toward another service with similar > > offerings. > > > > > On Tuesday, February 10th, 2026 at 3:49 PM, John Stoffel via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > > >> > >> Hi all, > >> A bunch of us are also chatting on signal (look in the email archives > >> for a link to join!) and I feel like we're leaving the email forum > >> users behind. > >> > >> And we need to keep the WLUG community working together and sharing > >> together, no matter what their systems or resources are. > >> > >> I found this interesting article on replacing discord with something > >> new. > >> > >> https://taggart-tech.com/discord-alternatives/ > >> > >> And I thought we as a group show evaluate some of these options as > >> well. In order of requirements I think: > >> > >> > >> - needs to be open > >> - WLUG needs to control the data > >> - needs to have clients across a swath of systems. > >> - web based > >> - CLI / plain text based > >> - Apple/Android clients. > >> - searchable > >> - able to organize a bit into channels. > >> - announcements > >> - regular chat > >> - questions or howtos > >> > >> Right now I enjoy the signal chat and how free form it is, but since I > >> can only read it on my phone because getting a CLI client working is a > >> pain... and I don't want to install the signal app on my work > >> laptop. > >> > >> So what do people think?

Feb. 11, 2026

Re: Replacing discord...

by John Stoffel

>>>>> "eroc1990" == eroc1990 <eroc1990(a)protonmail.com> writes: Did you read the article i posted? Part of the issue is CSAM being pushed into matrix servers and the management was hard to make work. But maybe that's gotten better and if we ran our own server it wouldn't be a problem? Something to talk about for sure on thursday. I'm not up on these tools at all, but I do want to make sure that email chats and signal chats are shared widely as possible. And one of the choices I failed to list is: - instant messages (signal) - email threads. Those are two aspects. When I got home sunday and found 130+ messages in signal to catch up on, it was pretty funny. But did I really need to read them all? Maybe. Did I enjoy it? Enventually once I read them. But I like the mailing list and how I don't need to be watching it constantly, nor do I get dinged with notifications. Whcih is both good and bad. LOL! John > I feel like the obvious winner in this case would be Matrix. Synapse > can be a bit of a bear to set up, but you get E2EE in both 1:1 and > Rooms, things can be organized into Spaces and you're able to freely > join and leave any room or space that's irrelevant to > you. Administration isn't all that bad when you're running a Private > server, but it comes with costs in terms of the resources needed to > store and serve the various components of Matrix. Would be curious > if anyone has any proclivities toward another service with similar > offerings. > On Tuesday, February 10th, 2026 at 3:49 PM, John Stoffel via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: >> >> Hi all, >> A bunch of us are also chatting on signal (look in the email archives >> for a link to join!) and I feel like we're leaving the email forum >> users behind. >> >> And we need to keep the WLUG community working together and sharing >> together, no matter what their systems or resources are. >> >> I found this interesting article on replacing discord with something >> new. >> >> https://taggart-tech.com/discord-alternatives/ >> >> And I thought we as a group show evaluate some of these options as >> well. In order of requirements I think: >> >> >> - needs to be open >> - WLUG needs to control the data >> - needs to have clients across a swath of systems. >> - web based >> - CLI / plain text based >> - Apple/Android clients. >> - searchable >> - able to organize a bit into channels. >> - announcements >> - regular chat >> - questions or howtos >> >> Right now I enjoy the signal chat and how free form it is, but since I >> can only read it on my phone because getting a CLI client working is a >> pain... and I don't want to install the signal app on my work >> laptop. >> >> So what do people think? >> >> John >> _______________________________________________ >> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ >> Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ >> Web Forum/Archive: https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/XQDKN… >>

Feb. 10, 2026

Re: Replacing discord...

by eroc1990

I feel like the obvious winner in this case would be Matrix. Synapse can be a bit of a bear to set up, but you get E2EE in both 1:1 and Rooms, things can be organized into Spaces and you're able to freely join and leave any room or space that's irrelevant to you. Administration isn't all that bad when you're running a Private server, but it comes with costs in terms of the resources needed to store and serve the various components of Matrix. Would be curious if anyone has any proclivities toward another service with similar offerings. On Tuesday, February 10th, 2026 at 3:49 PM, John Stoffel via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > > Hi all, > A bunch of us are also chatting on signal (look in the email archives > for a link to join!) and I feel like we're leaving the email forum > users behind. > > And we need to keep the WLUG community working together and sharing > together, no matter what their systems or resources are. > > I found this interesting article on replacing discord with something > new. > > https://taggart-tech.com/discord-alternatives/ > > And I thought we as a group show evaluate some of these options as > well. In order of requirements I think: > > > - needs to be open > - WLUG needs to control the data > - needs to have clients across a swath of systems. > - web based > - CLI / plain text based > - Apple/Android clients. > - searchable > - able to organize a bit into channels. > - announcements > - regular chat > - questions or howtos > > Right now I enjoy the signal chat and how free form it is, but since I > can only read it on my phone because getting a CLI client working is a > pain... and I don't want to install the signal app on my work > laptop. > > So what do people think? > > John > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/XQDKN… >

Feb. 10, 2026

Replacing discord...

by John Stoffel

Hi all, A bunch of us are also chatting on signal (look in the email archives for a link to join!) and I feel like we're leaving the email forum users behind. And we need to keep the WLUG community working together and sharing together, no matter what their systems or resources are. I found this interesting article on replacing discord with something new. https://taggart-tech.com/discord-alternatives/ And I thought we as a group show evaluate some of these options as well. In order of requirements I think: - needs to be open - WLUG needs to control the data - needs to have clients across a swath of systems. - web based - CLI / plain text based - Apple/Android clients. - searchable - able to organize a bit into channels. - announcements - regular chat - questions or howtos Right now I enjoy the signal chat and how free form it is, but since I can only read it on my phone because getting a CLI client working is a pain... and I don't want to install the signal app on my work laptop. So what do people think? John

Feb. 10, 2026