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Linux Choix?

by Colin Novick

Apologies. Deepest even. Before anyone needs to chastise me I looked it up and OS X is more Next and other sources than Linux per se. Apparently Parallels on OS X will run Win and Lin, but the underlying OS is OS X and does not imply that ArcGIS would be stably emulated by a Linux machine emulating Win. Sorry. Hope not to have too terribly offended in my ignorance. Colin

Nov. 18, 2007

Re: [Wlug] Linux Choix? Mach kernel

by Keith Wright

> From: Mike Leo <mleo963(a)yahoo.com> > > A pleasant correction... > > Mac OSX is a BSD derivative, not Linux, though they are similar. I am pretty sure that OSX uses the Mach microkernel, the same one used by the GNU Hurd, and which was developed by Rick Rashid et.al. at CMU in the 1980's. Last I knew Rick took a job at MS as Director of Research, or something like that. I know these things because I was a small part of the et.al. mentioned above. Mach was meant as a base on which to build a Unix-like OS, and FreeBSD had a large influence on how Mach was turned into OSX. I don't know if there is actual code from FreeBSD in it. (Apple has been lax in telling me before they do anything.) Many "Linux" programs, many of which are really GNU programs, run on OSX. -- Keith

Nov. 18, 2007

Re: [Wlug] Linux Choix?

by Mike Leo

A pleasant correction... Mac OSX is a BSD derivative, not Linux, though they are similar. ----- Original Message ---- From: Colin Novick <c-novick-1(a)alumni.uchicago.edu> To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2007 9:23:49 PM Subject: [Wlug] Linux Choix? Steve, Thanks for the ArcGIS thoughts! I did some digging and came across this: http://spanring.eu/blog/2006/07/02/arcgis-on-mac-os-x-2/ They were getting ArcGIS 9.X to run (well even) on MacOS X with Parallels; Now I am a born-again newbie but as I understand it OS X is a Linux derivative, and Parallels is a means of faking a Windows OS (XP etc.) on the Mac. Do folks know if this might mean there is some hope for a Linux install that can be rigged to run Arc? Thanks so much, PS ESRI's (producer of Arc) site is supremely unhelpful as they aren't interested in much other than server support for Linux and a basic reader function. PPS Red Hat's site didn't give me much to go on.

Nov. 18, 2007

Linux Choix?

by Colin Novick

Steve, Thanks for the ArcGIS thoughts! I did some digging and came across this: http://spanring.eu/blog/2006/07/02/arcgis-on-mac-os-x-2/ They were getting ArcGIS 9.X to run (well even) on MacOS X with Parallels; Now I am a born-again newbie but as I understand it OS X is a Linux derivative, and Parallels is a means of faking a Windows OS (XP etc.) on the Mac. Do folks know if this might mean there is some hope for a Linux install that can be rigged to run Arc? Thanks so much, PS ESRI's (producer of Arc) site is supremely unhelpful as they aren't interested in much other than server support for Linux and a basic reader function. PPS Red Hat's site didn't give me much to go on.

Nov. 18, 2007

Re: [Wlug] Linux Choix?

by Michael Long

> Have you looked at gnucash as a QuickBooks replacement? I just wish > I was anal enough to bother putting all my home/personal expenses into > GnuCash, but I'm balking at re-typing my credit card and bank > statements into it. > > This is the Quicken advantage, they can talk to alot of banks and > credit card companies to import data easily. > > Actually, GnuCash can do this too, if your bank/CCC supports exporting > in one of the standard financial formats. Now if I could just get my > bank to *email* me an encrypted statement each month, I'd be happy... > Wow...GnuCash has come along way since I first looked at it. The open source business packages are quickly catching up and passing the M$ counterparts. Nice!

Nov. 17, 2007

Re: [Wlug] Linux Choix?

by Eric Martin

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Stephen Daukas wrote: > As far as I know, ESRI have Linux versions of the > <http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/#>ArcSDE, ArcIMS, ArcObjects > (i.e. server products) but not for ArcMap, ArcCatalog or ArcInfo. > ESRI product documentation only talks about SUSE, Red Hat (intel), > and Solaris... > > Steve Ah, there's a GIS version of Knoppix that has a bunch of GIS stuff, I don't know if it will work / you can use it rather than ARC... ~eric -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHPx5CaiVxdKlBO58RAsXUAJ9ATUUG/Bj2+z4vuWM47qcqNyWZGACcCbYp knBtJqGjloR7s0Lbrnw1sF8= =snVz -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

Nov. 17, 2007

Re: [Wlug] Linux Choix?

by Eric Martin

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 John Stoffel wrote: > Mike> There is one application and one process that is keeping me from > Mike> being able to completely eliminate getting rid of windows. That > Mike> is Quickbooks and syncing to my nokia 9300. I use SugarCRM for > Mike> customer and marketing related related activities. Is there an > Mike> open source alternative to quickbooks and to sync to my nokia > Mike> (symbian os)? > > Have you looked at gnucash as a QuickBooks replacement? I just wish > I was anal enough to bother putting all my home/personal expenses into > GnuCash, but I'm balking at re-typing my credit card and bank > statements into it. > > This is the Quicken advantage, they can talk to alot of banks and > credit card companies to import data easily. > > Actually, GnuCash can do this too, if your bank/CCC supports exporting > in one of the standard financial formats. Now if I could just get my > bank to *email* me an encrypted statement each month, I'd be happy... > GNUcash can handle grabbing stuff online the same way quicken does. The problem is most banks / credit cards (that I've tried) check for quicken, so it doesn't work easily. I'm trying to get back into punching my stuff into gnucash so I'll let you know how it goes. > > As for the Nokia, sorry, no clue. Ditto Eric -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHPx3vaiVxdKlBO58RAgjlAKCHpBGUe5qJ2alF1H0j1W7IxQLyWgCfSIYx TpqH282r/uBWINpZ4aJ3XAQ= =6XYF -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

Nov. 17, 2007

Re: [Wlug] Linux Choix?

by John Stoffel

Mike> There is one application and one process that is keeping me from Mike> being able to completely eliminate getting rid of windows. That Mike> is Quickbooks and syncing to my nokia 9300. I use SugarCRM for Mike> customer and marketing related related activities. Is there an Mike> open source alternative to quickbooks and to sync to my nokia Mike> (symbian os)? Have you looked at gnucash as a QuickBooks replacement? I just wish I was anal enough to bother putting all my home/personal expenses into GnuCash, but I'm balking at re-typing my credit card and bank statements into it. This is the Quicken advantage, they can talk to alot of banks and credit card companies to import data easily. Actually, GnuCash can do this too, if your bank/CCC supports exporting in one of the standard financial formats. Now if I could just get my bank to *email* me an encrypted statement each month, I'd be happy... As for the Nokia, sorry, no clue. Mike> -----Original Message----- Mike> From: "Brian A. Dewhirst" <b.dewhirst(a)gmail.com> Mike> Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 09:58:08 Mike> To:"Worcester Linux Users Group" <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> Mike> Subject: Re: [Wlug] Linux Choix? Mike> As the newly converted, I have to agree that Ubuntu is the way to go. Mike> After a miserable time trying to install Vista I popped in an Ubuntu Mike> disk. Mike> It just worked. Mike> -- Brian Mike> On Nov 17, 2007 9:45 AM, Mike Leo <mleo963(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >> >> Ubuntu is the current poster child for Linux. >> >> You can buy Dell desktops, laptops and servers with Ubuntu pre-installed, >> and I think even HP offers the same. >> >> I use it as my primary work desktop, and dual boot it on my work laptop. >> >> It just works. >> >> Though I prefer Debian because I like to tinker, the latest version of >> Ubuntu does everything it needs to with little help. >> >> If you are trying to sell Linux to someone, I think its the way to go. >> >> ~mike >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ---- >> From: Greater Worcester Land Trust <gwlt(a)gwlt.org> >> To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >> Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 9:37:02 PM >> Subject: [Wlug] Linux Choix? >> >> It has been a while. >> >> I tried getting our nonprofit (Worcester land conservation) to adopt Linux >> some years back. >> Problem I had back then was weak graphic options, publisher options, Quicken >> options, and a lack of a good answer to running ArcGIS. >> I was beaten back into M$. >> >> I want another crack at this. >> >> I am looking to take a spare laptop and install a Linux OS and OS apps. >> Previously, some years back, I used to use what are now Mandriva Linux >> installs. >> >> Coming back to this I see that there are dozens and dozens of options these >> days. >> >> What, if any, of the options do the WLUG folk prefer/recommend. >> >> Thanks so much, >> >> Colin >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wlug mailing list >> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >> >> Mike> _______________________________________________ Mike> Wlug mailing list Mike> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org Mike> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug Mike> _______________________________________________ Mike> Wlug mailing list Mike> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org Mike> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug Mike> !DSPAM:473f17d767451606314423!

Nov. 17, 2007

Re: [Wlug] Linux Choix?

by Stephen Daukas

As far as I know, ESRI have Linux versions of the <http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/#>ArcSDE, ArcIMS, ArcObjects (i.e. server products) but not for ArcMap, ArcCatalog or ArcInfo. ESRI product documentation only talks about SUSE, Red Hat (intel), and Solaris... Steve On Nov 17, 2007 10:25 AM, Andre Lehovich <andrel(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > --- Greater Worcester Land Trust <gwlt(a)gwlt.org> wrote: > > Problem I had back then was weak graphic options, publisher options, > Quicken > > options, and a lack of a good answer to running ArcGIS. > > > What, if any, of the options do the WLUG folk prefer/recommend. > > If you didn't have ArcGIS in the mix I'd say go with Ubuntu. But since > you do, > check what the vendor recommends to see if Ubuntu is okay. If not then > either > go with Red Hat (if you want to pay for support) or Centos (if you don't). > > I don't know anything about accounting software, but my guess is that's > the > other big thing to pay attention to. > > --Andre > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Get easy, one-click access to your favorites. > Make Yahoo! your homepage. > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > -- Stephen C. Daukas Engineer, Geoscientist, Environmental Analyst ________________________________________________ - Please, before printing, think about the environment -

Nov. 17, 2007

Re: [Wlug] Linux Choix?

by Andre Lehovich

--- Greater Worcester Land Trust <gwlt(a)gwlt.org> wrote: > Problem I had back then was weak graphic options, publisher options, Quicken > options, and a lack of a good answer to running ArcGIS. > What, if any, of the options do the WLUG folk prefer/recommend. If you didn't have ArcGIS in the mix I'd say go with Ubuntu. But since you do, check what the vendor recommends to see if Ubuntu is okay. If not then either go with Red Hat (if you want to pay for support) or Centos (if you don't). I don't know anything about accounting software, but my guess is that's the other big thing to pay attention to. --Andre ____________________________________________________________________________________ Get easy, one-click access to your favorites. Make Yahoo! your homepage. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs

Nov. 17, 2007