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Re: Meeting agenda for thursday Feb 16th?

by Tim Keller

Please note that we've pushed the meeting off to the 23rd because this week WPI is running a career fair and there are no rooms to be booked. Thanks, Tim. On Tue, Feb 14, 2023 at 1:53 PM kstratton--- via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > Could you forward an address and parking and other instructions. I am > trying to decide if I can do the long drive from Hartford County. > > On Tue, Feb 14, 2023, at 1:33 PM, John Stoffel via WLUG wrote: > >> What is an OrganPI? Scatological and crude comments have been > suppressed. > > > > Duh! OrangePi LTS 3. > > > > > http://www.orangepi.org/html/hardWare/computerAndMicrocontrollers/details/o… > > > > I must admit I haven't played around with WiFi in there, or bluetooth. > > I was mostly looking for a small replacement for regular RaspberryPis > > which are so damn expensive these days. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > > Change Settings: > > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > > Web Forum/Archive: > > > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/WNQUQ… > > -- > > kstratton(a)fastmail.us > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/XVSA6… > -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

Feb. 15, 2023

Re: Postponing meeting to the 23rd due to career week.

by John Stoffel

>>>>> "Tim" == Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > Speaking with Frank, this week is career week at WPI and a mob > scene. There are zero rooms to reserve. Ok, so let's push it out. > I think it makes the most sense to push the meeting off to the 23rd so we can get a room with > proper A/V, etc. > As for a topic, a couple people have asked me about container based distros. I think this would be > a great topic. > I've recently gotten heavy involved in k8s deployment stuff and I've had to wrap my brain around > this stuff. > Fedora, Container OS, Rancher OS, Blend OS, the list goes on. > I think there's an interesting conversation around how user friendly, secure, etc. this various > options are. > Is this something people would be interested in? > Later, > Tim. > On Thu, Feb 9, 2023, 4:08 PM Joel <joelgroup(a)gmail.com> wrote: > That makes sense with a meeting last week. . > See everyone on the 16th. . > Joel > On February 9, 2023 3:30:18 PM Tim Keller <turbofx(a)gmail.com> wrote: > We are not having a meeting on the 9th, we'll have a meeting on the 16th. > Thanks, > Tim. > On Wed, Feb 8, 2023 at 9:52 PM Joel via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > Hi, > Are having a WLUG meeting as tomorrow 2/9 is the second Thursday? > Thank you, > Joel > On February 6, 2023 10:46:54 AM Joshua Stone via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > Hey all, > I thought I'd share a side project I've been working on, which involves building > containers with Nvidia kernel modules and userspace components that work as > bootable OS images thanks to "container-native" support within Fedora Silverblue. > This approach has several advantages over the traditional package management model > for installing out-of-tree drivers, including: > 1) Have the install process and QA shift from client side to server side, making a > CI/CD model of driver distribution possible. > 2) Eliminate the possibility of update failures (i.e., will a , as only container > builds with successful runs will be committed to a container registry and updates > are delivered with an "immutable" model > 3) Modules are signed with one key from a central repo, ensuring that only one key > has to be enrolled for all client systems for enabling secure boot support > 4) Enable the possibility of supporting multiple driver release streams. i.e., > give users the freedom to rebase on 525xx, 520xx, 470xx series drivers, etc, as > well as pin to a specific image snapshot in case of a driver regression > 5) Have the ability to download a pre-built bootable image from a central repo, or > build an image locally with further customizations thanks to the flexibility of > the Containerfile format > 6) Give maintainers a broader framework for debugging regressions, namely being > able to boot into a specific snapshot listed in a bug report > It's true that Nvidia has been the source of many hardware issues. I refuse to own > an Nvidia card because of this. But many Linux users use Nvidia, which I thought > would be a great motivation for working on a container-native approach to > out-of-three driver support. > More info here: > Nvidia images available for testing! > We did it! Hassle-free Nvidia drivers on Fedora Silverblue/Kinoite: Testers > wanted! > Nvidia Linux users, this thirty-four line Containerfile might make your life suck > way less. > - Josh > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/UCJVP… > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/TRIDU… > -- > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as > "consumers". > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/25VH6…

Feb. 15, 2023

Postponing meeting to the 23rd due to career week.

by Tim Keller

Speaking with Frank, this week is career week at WPI and a mob scene. There are zero rooms to reserve. I think it makes the most sense to push the meeting off to the 23rd so we can get a room with proper A/V, etc. As for a topic, a couple people have asked me about container based distros. I think this would be a great topic. I've recently gotten heavy involved in k8s deployment stuff and I've had to wrap my brain around this stuff. Fedora, Container OS, Rancher OS, Blend OS, the list goes on. I think there's an interesting conversation around how user friendly, secure, etc. this various options are. Is this something people would be interested in? Later, Tim. On Thu, Feb 9, 2023, 4:08 PM Joel <joelgroup(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > That makes sense with a meeting last week. . > > See everyone on the 16th. . > > Joel > > On February 9, 2023 3:30:18 PM Tim Keller <turbofx(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> We are not having a meeting on the 9th, we'll have a meeting on the 16th. >> >> Thanks, >> Tim. >> >> On Wed, Feb 8, 2023 at 9:52 PM Joel via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: >> >>> >>> Hi, >>> >>> Are having a WLUG meeting as tomorrow 2/9 is the second Thursday? >>> >>> Thank you, >>> >>> Joel >>> >>> On February 6, 2023 10:46:54 AM Joshua Stone via WLUG < >>> wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: >>> >>>> Hey all, >>>> >>>> I thought I'd share a side project I've been working on, which involves >>>> building containers with Nvidia kernel modules and userspace components >>>> that work as bootable OS images thanks to "container-native" >>>> <https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/OstreeNativeContainerStable> >>>> support within Fedora Silverblue. >>>> >>>> This approach has several advantages over the traditional package >>>> management model for installing out-of-tree drivers, including: >>>> >>>> 1) Have the install process and QA shift from client side to server >>>> side, making a CI/CD model of driver distribution possible. >>>> >>>> 2) Eliminate the possibility of update failures (i.e., will a , as only >>>> container builds with successful runs will be committed to a container >>>> registry and updates are delivered with an "immutable" model >>>> >>>> 3) Modules are signed with one key from a central repo, ensuring that >>>> only one key has to be enrolled for all client systems for enabling secure >>>> boot support >>>> >>>> 4) Enable the possibility of supporting multiple driver release >>>> streams. i.e., give users the freedom to rebase on 525xx, 520xx, 470xx >>>> series drivers, etc, as well as pin to a specific image snapshot in case of >>>> a driver regression >>>> >>>> 5) Have the ability to download a pre-built bootable image from a >>>> central repo, or build an image locally with further customizations thanks >>>> to the flexibility of the Containerfile format >>>> >>>> 6) Give maintainers a broader framework for debugging regressions, >>>> namely being able to boot into a specific snapshot listed in a bug report >>>> >>>> It's true that Nvidia has been the source of many hardware issues >>>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYWzMvlj2RQ>. I refuse to own an >>>> Nvidia card because of this. But many Linux users use Nvidia, which I >>>> thought would be a great motivation for working on a container-native >>>> approach to out-of-three driver support. >>>> >>>> More info here: >>>> >>>> Nvidia images available for testing! >>>> <https://github.com/ublue-os/base/discussions/33> >>>> >>>> We did it! Hassle-free Nvidia drivers on Fedora Silverblue/Kinoite: >>>> Testers wanted! <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wl9EJCF_GM4> >>>> >>>> >>>> <https://www.ypsidanger.com/a-34-line-container-file-saves-the-linux-desktop/> >>>> Nvidia Linux users, this thirty-four line Containerfile might make your >>>> life suck way less. >>>> <https://www.ypsidanger.com/a-34-line-container-file-saves-the-linux-desktop/> >>>> >>>> - Josh >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >>>> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >>>> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ >>>> Change Settings: >>>> https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ >>>> Web Forum/Archive: >>>> https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/UCJVP… >>>> >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >>> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >>> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ >>> Change Settings: >>> https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ >>> Web Forum/Archive: >>> https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/TRIDU… >>> >> >> >> -- >> I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their >> constituents as "consumers". >> > >

Feb. 15, 2023

Re: Meeting agenda for thursday Feb 16th?

by kstratton＠fastmail.us

Could you forward an address and parking and other instructions. I am trying to decide if I can do the long drive from Hartford County. On Tue, Feb 14, 2023, at 1:33 PM, John Stoffel via WLUG wrote: >> What is an OrganPI? Scatological and crude comments have been suppressed. > > Duh! OrangePi LTS 3. > > http://www.orangepi.org/html/hardWare/computerAndMicrocontrollers/details/o… > > I must admit I haven't played around with WiFi in there, or bluetooth. > I was mostly looking for a small replacement for regular RaspberryPis > which are so damn expensive these days. > > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/WNQUQ… -- kstratton(a)fastmail.us

Feb. 14, 2023

Re: Meeting agenda for thursday Feb 16th?

by John Stoffel

> What is an OrganPI? Scatological and crude comments have been suppressed. Duh! OrangePi LTS 3. http://www.orangepi.org/html/hardWare/computerAndMicrocontrollers/details/o… I must admit I haven't played around with WiFi in there, or bluetooth. I was mostly looking for a small replacement for regular RaspberryPis which are so damn expensive these days.

Feb. 14, 2023

Re: Meeting agenda for thursday Feb 16th?

by David Glaser

What is an OrganPI? Scatological and crude comments have been suppressed. -David On 2/14/2023 12:21 PM, John Stoffel via WLUG wrote: > Hi all, > Is there an agenda for this thursdays meeting? I can bring an OrganPI > 3 LTS I just recently setup. Neat little box running Armbian. > Haven't don't anything with it though. > > I know KiCad 7.0.0 has been released, but I haven't had any time to > update my old discussion on KiCad for the new version. So I really > can't talk about it too much. > > I'm planning on being there, but who knows what will happen. > > John > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/R7MTW… -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. www.avast.com

Feb. 14, 2023

Meeting agenda for thursday Feb 16th?

by John Stoffel

Hi all, Is there an agenda for this thursdays meeting? I can bring an OrganPI 3 LTS I just recently setup. Neat little box running Armbian. Haven't don't anything with it though. I know KiCad 7.0.0 has been released, but I haven't had any time to update my old discussion on KiCad for the new version. So I really can't talk about it too much. I'm planning on being there, but who knows what will happen. John

Feb. 14, 2023

Re: Meeting Tomorrow?

by Joel

That makes sense with a meeting last week. . See everyone on the 16th. . Joel On February 9, 2023 3:30:18 PM Tim Keller <turbofx(a)gmail.com> wrote: > We are not having a meeting on the 9th, we'll have a meeting on the 16th. > > Thanks, > Tim. > > On Wed, Feb 8, 2023 at 9:52 PM Joel via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > > > Hi, > > > Are having a WLUG meeting as tomorrow 2/9 is the second Thursday? > > > Thank you, > > > Joel > > On February 6, 2023 10:46:54 AM Joshua Stone via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: >> Hey all, >> >> I thought I'd share a side project I've been working on, which involves building containers with Nvidia kernel modules and userspace components that work as bootable OS images thanks to "container-native" support within Fedora Silverblue. >> >> This approach has several advantages over the traditional package management model for installing out-of-tree drivers, including: >> >> 1) Have the install process and QA shift from client side to server side, making a CI/CD model of driver distribution possible. >> >> 2) Eliminate the possibility of update failures (i.e., will a , as only container builds with successful runs will be committed to a container registry and updates are delivered with an "immutable" model >> >> >> 3) Modules are signed with one key from a central repo, ensuring that only one key has to be enrolled for all client systems for enabling secure boot support >> >> 4) Enable the possibility of supporting multiple driver release streams. i.e., give users the freedom to rebase on 525xx, 520xx, 470xx series drivers, etc, as well as pin to a specific image snapshot in case of a driver regression >> >> >> 5) Have the ability to download a pre-built bootable image from a central repo, or build an image locally with further customizations thanks to the flexibility of the Containerfile format >> >> 6) Give maintainers a broader framework for debugging regressions, namely being able to boot into a specific snapshot listed in a bug report >> >> >> It's true that Nvidia has been the source of many hardware issues. I refuse to own an Nvidia card because of this. But many Linux users use Nvidia, which I thought would be a great motivation for working on a container-native approach to out-of-three driver support. >> >> >> More info here: >> >> Nvidia images available for testing! >> >> We did it! Hassle-free Nvidia drivers on Fedora Silverblue/Kinoite: Testers wanted! >> >> >> Nvidia Linux users, this thirty-four line Containerfile might make your life suck way less. >> >> - Josh >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ >> Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ >> Web Forum/Archive: https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/UCJVP… > > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/TRIDU… > > > > -- > > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

Feb. 9, 2023

Re: Meeting Tomorrow?

by Tim Keller

We are not having a meeting on the 9th, we'll have a meeting on the 16th. Thanks, Tim. On Wed, Feb 8, 2023 at 9:52 PM Joel via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > > Hi, > > Are having a WLUG meeting as tomorrow 2/9 is the second Thursday? > > Thank you, > > Joel > > On February 6, 2023 10:46:54 AM Joshua Stone via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> > wrote: > >> Hey all, >> >> I thought I'd share a side project I've been working on, which involves >> building containers with Nvidia kernel modules and userspace components >> that work as bootable OS images thanks to "container-native" >> <https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/OstreeNativeContainerStable> >> support within Fedora Silverblue. >> >> This approach has several advantages over the traditional package >> management model for installing out-of-tree drivers, including: >> >> 1) Have the install process and QA shift from client side to server side, >> making a CI/CD model of driver distribution possible. >> >> 2) Eliminate the possibility of update failures (i.e., will a , as only >> container builds with successful runs will be committed to a container >> registry and updates are delivered with an "immutable" model >> >> 3) Modules are signed with one key from a central repo, ensuring that >> only one key has to be enrolled for all client systems for enabling secure >> boot support >> >> 4) Enable the possibility of supporting multiple driver release streams. >> i.e., give users the freedom to rebase on 525xx, 520xx, 470xx series >> drivers, etc, as well as pin to a specific image snapshot in case of a >> driver regression >> >> 5) Have the ability to download a pre-built bootable image from a central >> repo, or build an image locally with further customizations thanks to the >> flexibility of the Containerfile format >> >> 6) Give maintainers a broader framework for debugging regressions, namely >> being able to boot into a specific snapshot listed in a bug report >> >> It's true that Nvidia has been the source of many hardware issues >> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYWzMvlj2RQ>. I refuse to own an Nvidia >> card because of this. But many Linux users use Nvidia, which I thought >> would be a great motivation for working on a container-native approach to >> out-of-three driver support. >> >> More info here: >> >> Nvidia images available for testing! >> <https://github.com/ublue-os/base/discussions/33> >> >> We did it! Hassle-free Nvidia drivers on Fedora Silverblue/Kinoite: >> Testers wanted! <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wl9EJCF_GM4> >> >> >> <https://www.ypsidanger.com/a-34-line-container-file-saves-the-linux-desktop/> >> Nvidia Linux users, this thirty-four line Containerfile might make your >> life suck way less. >> <https://www.ypsidanger.com/a-34-line-container-file-saves-the-linux-desktop/> >> >> - Josh >> >> _______________________________________________ >> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ >> Change Settings: >> https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ >> Web Forum/Archive: >> https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/UCJVP… >> >> > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/TRIDU… > -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

Feb. 9, 2023

Next wlug meeting on the 16th of Feb.. not tonight.

by Tim Keller

Hey Gang, Considering that we just had a WLUG meeting the last Thursday of January, the next meeting will be on the 16th and then we'll go back to the regular second Thursday of the month for March. Sorry for the confusion about when meetings are. Thanks, Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

Feb. 9, 2023