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Re: [Wlug] Looking for a new system

by John Stoffel

Adam> The small, blingy, cost-is-no-object solution ;-) : Adam> <http://www.cappuccinopc.com/pandora-945.asp> Cute, too small for a file server. Adam> sitting on top of Adam> 2x <http://www.lacie.com/products/product.htm?pid=10727> Adam> mounted via firewire and mirrored with md, and Adam> <http://www.ratocsystems.com/english/products/subpages/firerex1.html> Adam> to handle the tape drive (unless it's internal :-/). Now this is just a sick sick sick device, but no mention of linux compatibility at all, so I'd be *very* hesitant to try and run this. Also, my DLT drive is a 68pin SCSI connnector, luckily I think I have a 68->50 adapter. But I'll pass and let someone else go this route. :] It is a funcy solution. Adam> Realistically though, a few of my friends have had good noise Adam> levels and reliability putting the fanless VIA kit into a larger Adam> case with slow large fans or no fans at all. In that case, the Adam> noisiest and hottest bits will be the drives. Yeah, the tape drive and it's fan (it's an external drive) will probably be the loudest part of it all if I'm careful. Thanks for the ideas...

Sept. 28, 2006

Re: [Wlug] Looking for a new system

by Adam Keck

The small, blingy, cost-is-no-object solution ;-) : <http://www.cappuccinopc.com/pandora-945.asp> sitting on top of 2x <http://www.lacie.com/products/product.htm?pid=10727> mounted via firewire and mirrored with md, and <http://www.ratocsystems.com/english/products/subpages/firerex1.html> to handle the tape drive (unless it's internal :-/). The Core Duo includes speedstep so it should keep the power usage down. ------------- Realistically though, a few of my friends have had good noise levels and reliability putting the fanless VIA kit into a larger case with slow large fans or no fans at all. In that case, the noisiest and hottest bits will be the drives. -Adam On 9/27/06, John Stoffel <john(a)stoffel.org> wrote: > > Guys, > > I've been looking around for a new system at home, basically to act as > a file server (NFS, Samba) and backup server using Bacula. It also > needs to run http and mysql and other daemons as needed. > > I'd like to get at least a pair of 250gb drives to mirror them for > storage, with LVM volumes on top. And of course room for expansion to > another pair of drives down the line. > > But I'd like it smallish and quiet as well. Oh yeah, it needs to have > a PCI slot for a SCSI controller, since my tape drive is SCSI for > backups. > > Desires: > > - small > - cheap > - quiet > - low power > - boots without a keyboard/mouse needed at all > - onboard video (don't really need it at all) > - PCI slots for expansion > - four 3.5" drive bays internally > - SATA ports on board > - AMD or VIA EPIA > - 1Gb of RAM or more. > > I've looked at the Via EPIA style systems. Just not sure if they have > enough oomph for what I want. > > The other thought is to just take my old Dell Precision dual cpu Xeon > 550mhz box and make that my main server, holding all my data, etc. > It's got the drive bays, and PCI slots and scsi controller all in > there already. I could add in some SATA controllers for the new disks > without a problem. And it would continue to hold my ISA 8-port serial > card. And it's got the memory for what it would be doing pretty much > as well. > > Then I'd just get a new system for my desktop with a much smaller disk > drive. > > Systems I've looked at: > > - bare bones AMD x2 on ebay. > - VIA Epia Nanoscale dual CPU box > http://linuxdevices.com/news/NS7109201579.html > - buying a dell from their closeouts > > > Any comments? > > John > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > -- -Adam

Sept. 28, 2006

Re: [Wlug] Looking for a new system

by Jamie Guinan

On Wed, 27 Sep 2006, John Stoffel wrote: > > Guys, > > I've been looking around for a new system at home, basically to act as > a file server (NFS, Samba) and backup server using Bacula. It also > needs to run http and mysql and other daemons as needed. > > I'd like to get at least a pair of 250gb drives to mirror them for > storage, with LVM volumes on top. And of course room for expansion to > another pair of drives down the line. > > But I'd like it smallish and quiet as well. Oh yeah, it needs to have > a PCI slot for a SCSI controller, since my tape drive is SCSI for > backups. > > Desires: > > - small > - cheap > - quiet > - low power > - boots without a keyboard/mouse needed at all > - onboard video (don't really need it at all) > - PCI slots for expansion > - four 3.5" drive bays internally > - SATA ports on board > - AMD or VIA EPIA > - 1Gb of RAM or more. > > I've looked at the Via EPIA style systems. Just not sure if they have > enough oomph for what I want. > > The other thought is to just take my old Dell Precision dual cpu Xeon > 550mhz box and make that my main server, holding all my data, etc. > It's got the drive bays, and PCI slots and scsi controller all in > there already. I could add in some SATA controllers for the new disks > without a problem. And it would continue to hold my ISA 8-port serial > card. And it's got the memory for what it would be doing pretty much > as well. > > Then I'd just get a new system for my desktop with a much smaller disk > drive. > > Systems I've looked at: > > - bare bones AMD x2 on ebay. > - VIA Epia Nanoscale dual CPU box > http://linuxdevices.com/news/NS7109201579.html > - buying a dell from their closeouts > > > Any comments? Hi John, I've built a few PCs over the past few years, so I can share some experiences. #1: Built from scratch using a Soyo motherboard, Duron CPU, Powmax micro-ATX case. Cheapest system I could build, and one of the noisiest I've ever owned. The dinky 230W power supply has a cheap noisy fan, and the Duron runs super hot so it needs constant fanning. #2: Antec Aria case, older Intel PIII + Intel mobo. The Aria case is crowded inside in strange ways, making most 3rd-party heatsink/fan solutions impossible. I have a hack solution using some springs to hold it place. The front power switch on the Aria was flaky, causing the unit to power off randomly (I made the "reset" button the power switch as a workaround; the "power" button does nothing, much to my wife's frustration when she tried to power it up to play StepMania). The Aria is mostly plastic and flimsy. Avoid it, despite its smallish size and pretty looks in pictures. But the Intel CPU+mobo is decent and doesn't run too hot. #3: AMD64 x2, Tyan motherboard with NVidia chipset, Coolermaster Centurion case. This is my main system these days, it runs quiet, and I'm happy with every part of it. Wattage numbers: [model name : AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 4200+] Off:4W linux (idle):81W 1 core spinning: 112W 2 cores spinning: 145W Compare to this P4 system, [model name : Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 3.00GHz] off:4W linux (idle): 105W cpu spinning: 167W The VIAs are seductive, but when I looked harder at them, they either required small (=noisy) fans, http://mini-itx.com/news/images/story0386-05L.jpg or ridiculous heatsinking to run fanless, http://www2.multithread.co.uk/images/en12000e_alt1_large.jpg So I would avoid them. For server purposes, it sounds like reusing your existing Dell box is ideal. I still have my former main desktop (2x Celeron 466) running my internal web server, Postgresql, etc. For the desktop, if I were building a new system today, I would look into the Intel core2/double/duo/whatever, retail packaging for the nice quiet Intel fan, and a mobo with an Intel graphics chipset. The core/foo's run lower wattage than recent AMDs (I hear), the Intel graphics are decent for 3D stuff, and the GPU drivers are open source. No dealing with ATI/NVidia driver madness. -Jamie

Sept. 28, 2006

Looking for a new system

by John Stoffel

Guys, I've been looking around for a new system at home, basically to act as a file server (NFS, Samba) and backup server using Bacula. It also needs to run http and mysql and other daemons as needed. I'd like to get at least a pair of 250gb drives to mirror them for storage, with LVM volumes on top. And of course room for expansion to another pair of drives down the line. But I'd like it smallish and quiet as well. Oh yeah, it needs to have a PCI slot for a SCSI controller, since my tape drive is SCSI for backups. Desires: - small - cheap - quiet - low power - boots without a keyboard/mouse needed at all - onboard video (don't really need it at all) - PCI slots for expansion - four 3.5" drive bays internally - SATA ports on board - AMD or VIA EPIA - 1Gb of RAM or more. I've looked at the Via EPIA style systems. Just not sure if they have enough oomph for what I want. The other thought is to just take my old Dell Precision dual cpu Xeon 550mhz box and make that my main server, holding all my data, etc. It's got the drive bays, and PCI slots and scsi controller all in there already. I could add in some SATA controllers for the new disks without a problem. And it would continue to hold my ISA 8-port serial card. And it's got the memory for what it would be doing pretty much as well. Then I'd just get a new system for my desktop with a much smaller disk drive. Systems I've looked at: - bare bones AMD x2 on ebay. - VIA Epia Nanoscale dual CPU box http://linuxdevices.com/news/NS7109201579.html - buying a dell from their closeouts Any comments? John

Sept. 27, 2006

Re: [Wlug] shared web/email hosting providers

by Theo Van Dinter

I'll throw out a friend's service: http://www.alienwebshop.com/ I use him for colo services as opposed to managed hosting, but he does that too. :) > > Who are people using for shared web/email hosting? I'm looking for > > IMAP/POP/webmail over SSL (I need all three over SSL), plus light web hosting > > for a vanity domain. (Don't need crypto for the website.) Virtual servers > > seem to be out of my price range, but the shared hosting services > > fit my budget > > (c. $10/month). I've got a slight preference for Debian, but really > > any Linux > > (or BSD) distro is fine. -- Randomly Selected Tagline: "Politics is supposed to be the second oldest profession. I have come to understand that it bears a very close resemblance to the first." - Ronald Reagan

Sept. 26, 2006

Re: [Wlug] shared web/email hosting providers

by dulsi＠identicalsoftware.com

I use qwk.net. Not as cheap as some others people have recommended but they have excelent service. I believe they handle all of those requirements in their $10/month plan but haven't checked to be sure. I've never checked what linux distro they run as it doesn't matter to me. Quoting Andre Lehovich <andrel(a)yahoo.com>: > Who are people using for shared web/email hosting? I'm looking for > IMAP/POP/webmail over SSL (I need all three over SSL), plus light web hosting > for a vanity domain. (Don't need crypto for the website.) Virtual servers > seem to be out of my price range, but the shared hosting services > fit my budget > (c. $10/month). I've got a slight preference for Debian, but really > any Linux > (or BSD) distro is fine. > > Any recommendations? > > Thanks, > --Andre

Sept. 26, 2006

Re: [Wlug] shared web/email hosting providers

by Adam Keck

http://vpsland.com/ has a Linux VM for $10/m. On the other hand, if you can find two friends to share the cost you can have your own server for $30/m from http://serverpronto.com/ . -Adam On 9/26/06, Bill Mills-Curran <bill(a)mills-curran.net> wrote: > On Mon, Sep 25, 2006 at 03:05:27PM -0700, Andre Lehovich wrote: > > Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2006 15:05:27 -0700 (PDT) > > From: Andre Lehovich <andrel(a)yahoo.com> > > To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > Subject: [Wlug] shared web/email hosting providers > > Precedence: list > > Reply-To: Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> > > > > Who are people using for shared web/email hosting? I'm looking for > > IMAP/POP/webmail over SSL (I need all three over SSL), plus light web hosting > > for a vanity domain. (Don't need crypto for the website.) Virtual servers > > seem to be out of my price range, but the shared hosting services fit my budget > > (c. $10/month). I've got a slight preference for Debian, but really any Linux > > (or BSD) distro is fine. > > > > Any recommendations? > > > > Thanks, > > --Andre > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > _______________________________________________ > > Wlug mailing list > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > westhost.com has virtual private servers and static IPs for about > $8/month. Linux systems. Good support. > > Bill > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > -- -Adam

Sept. 26, 2006

Re: [Wlug] shared web/email hosting providers

by Bill Mills-Curran

On Mon, Sep 25, 2006 at 03:05:27PM -0700, Andre Lehovich wrote: > Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2006 15:05:27 -0700 (PDT) > From: Andre Lehovich <andrel(a)yahoo.com> > To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > Subject: [Wlug] shared web/email hosting providers > Precedence: list > Reply-To: Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> > > Who are people using for shared web/email hosting? I'm looking for > IMAP/POP/webmail over SSL (I need all three over SSL), plus light web hosting > for a vanity domain. (Don't need crypto for the website.) Virtual servers > seem to be out of my price range, but the shared hosting services fit my budget > (c. $10/month). I've got a slight preference for Debian, but really any Linux > (or BSD) distro is fine. > > Any recommendations? > > Thanks, > --Andre > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug westhost.com has virtual private servers and static IPs for about $8/month. Linux systems. Good support. Bill

Sept. 26, 2006

Re: [Wlug] shared web/email hosting providers

by Robert Schwein

www.theaardvark.com runs what you want at $6/month. People and businesses who I know use it have never had any complaints. Bob Andre Lehovich wrote: > Who are people using for shared web/email hosting? I'm looking for > IMAP/POP/webmail over SSL (I need all three over SSL), plus light web hosting > for a vanity domain. (Don't need crypto for the website.) Virtual servers > seem to be out of my price range, but the shared hosting services fit my budget > (c. $10/month). I've got a slight preference for Debian, but really any Linux > (or BSD) distro is fine. > > Any recommendations? > > Thanks, > --Andre > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > >

Sept. 26, 2006

Re: [Wlug] shared web/email hosting providers

by Mike Perry

I have been a happy DreamHost customer for a number of years now. They have had a few hiccups over the past few weeks, but for less than 10 bucks a month and the excellent support and service they have given me over the years I can't really complain. They run Debian and provide pretty much every service you'd need including ssh. Their bandwidth and storage is insane even on the low plans. Check out their plans and if you decide to sign up you can punch in "BITBISTRO50OFF" for a $50 discount on any plan. Cheers, Mike On Mon, 2006-09-25 at 15:05 -0700, Andre Lehovich wrote: > Who are people using for shared web/email hosting? I'm looking for > IMAP/POP/webmail over SSL (I need all three over SSL), plus light web hosting > for a vanity domain. (Don't need crypto for the website.) Virtual servers > seem to be out of my price range, but the shared hosting services fit my budget > (c. $10/month). I've got a slight preference for Debian, but really any Linux > (or BSD) distro is fine. > > Any recommendations? > > Thanks, > --Andre > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Sept. 26, 2006