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Reminder: Meeting Wed 7 PM

by Andy Stewart

Hi Everybody, Our next meeting is on Wednesday, March 24th at 7:00 PM in the usual place (Access Grid room). At this meeting, Doug Waud will be our speaker. He will talk about TeX, LaTeX, and pdfLaTeX, which are document processing systems for generating really beautiful books, especially those with alot of mathematics. I have put a couple of links on the WLUG home page for your reference. I'll bring refreshments to the meeting, and we can go out afterwards for some food. I'm not sure if the Boynton Restaurant has completed its renovations, but if not, we can go to the mexican place. I look forward to seeing many of you at the meeting. Andy -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA USA http://www.wlug.org

March 23, 2004

RE: [wlug] Re: Instant Messaging Software

by Martin, Eric

gaim supports jabber -----Original Message----- From: Keller, Tim To: 'Worcester Linux Users Group' Sent: 3/19/2004 4:16 PM Subject: RE: [wlug] Re: Instant Messaging Software The biggest problem usually isn't the messaging client itself, secure or insecure. The biggest problem is the users who don't understand the technology under it. Inside of Stratus we've done a lot of education to get users to understand that IM is a completely insecure medium and that no business information is to be transmitted over it. Once you explain to Suzy accountant that when she pasts the financials into the IM window and send it to her coworker that they shoot out the door, zip half way across the country and then come back and anybody in between can read them, it suddenly hits home... I only wish that Trillian supported Jabber. I deployed a Jabber server and it worked, but the clients for windows were so crummy that nobody used it. Tim. -----Original Message----- From: Bob George [mailto:mailings02@ttlexceeded.com] Sent: Friday, March 19, 2004 2:30 PM To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org Subject: [Wlug] Re: Instant Messaging Software Simoncini, Matthew wrote: > [...] > I work at a large company in Natick that has recently decided to > disallow instant messaging clients from being used on corporate PC's. If the policy is "no instant messaging clients", I don't think I'd load jabber, then argue the finer points. Especially if disciplinary action is noted for violations. If nothing else, make the case for an INTERNAL server, but GET APPROVAL before using it. Jabber has much to recommend it for such a server. > They sight a concern that it is an insecure network link to the outside > world that could allow hackers, worms, trojans, viruses, etc ... into > the otherwise protected network. That's a commonly cited concern, and not unwarranted. > [...] What does affect my team is the ability to easily > communicate with each other on a "live" or instant platform within the > company firewall (we have no interest really to communicate outside the > firewall yet). I was wondering if anyone could point me in the direction > of an Open Source alternative to an instant messaging platform? For > starters I'm just looking for software to run on a server (either Linux > or Doze) and the associated clients to use on primarily XP or 2000 desktops. Again, I'd get approval first, but IRC can do much of what you want. There are plenty of Win clients and servers for it. - Bob _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

March 22, 2004

Re: [Wlug] wall messages on Gentoo

by Charles R. Anderson

On Sun, Mar 21, 2004 at 04:59:14PM -0500, Karl Hiramoto wrote: > Uh "mesg y" was not it. I would've spotted something that obvious. > > I did some digging found out that the tty's were in the group tty, so > added the users that needed wall access to the group, and it works now.. > > I suppose this is a bit more secure than the default redhat where any user > can write to your tty port. Red Hat ships with a set-gid tty /usr/bin/wall.

March 21, 2004

Re: [Wlug] wall messages on Gentoo

by Karl Hiramoto

Uh "mesg y" was not it. I would've spotted something that obvious. I did some digging found out that the tty's were in the group tty, so added the users that needed wall access to the group, and it works now.. I suppose this is a bit more secure than the default redhat where any user can write to your tty port. thx tho > Crap, sorry about that last message... > > "Karl Hiramoto" <karl(a)hiramoto.org> writes: > >> wall works, but you have to be root. > > Perhaps they default mesg to n? > > try mesg y. > >>From the man page: > > The mesg utility is invoked by a users to control write access > others have to the terminal device associated with the standard > error output. Write access is allowed by default, and programs > such as talk(1) and write(1) may display messages on the > terminal. > > Options available: > > n Disallows messages. > > y Permits messages to be displayed. > > > -- > Josh Huber > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > -- Karl Hiramoto <karl(a)hiramoto.org> Work: 978-425-2090 ext 25 Cell: 508-517-4819 Personal web page: http://karl.hiramoto.org/ AOL IM ID = KarlH420 Yahoo_IM = karl_hiramoto

March 21, 2004

Re: [Wlug] wall messages on Gentoo

by Josh Huber

Crap, sorry about that last message... "Karl Hiramoto" <karl(a)hiramoto.org> writes: > wall works, but you have to be root. Perhaps they default mesg to n? try mesg y. >From the man page: The mesg utility is invoked by a users to control write access others have to the terminal device associated with the standard error output. Write access is allowed by default, and programs such as talk(1) and write(1) may display messages on the terminal. Options available: n Disallows messages. y Permits messages to be displayed. -- Josh Huber

March 21, 2004

Re: [Wlug] wall messages on Gentoo

by Josh Huber

"Karl Hiramoto" <karl(a)hiramoto.org> writes: > I've had the wall behavior before broadcasting to allusers work > before on other distro's (slackware & redhat) but now on gentoo it > seems to be locked down. > > talk works, but instead of "talk user" you need to specify "talk > user@localhost" > > wall works, but you have to be root. > >> Don't know specifically about gentoo, but try the 'write' or 'talk' >> command instead of 'wall', but that'll go only to speified users. >> >> Karl Hiramoto wrote: >> >>> Anyone know how to allow users other than root to wall messages to other >>> logins? >>> >>> wall "test" >>> only displays to other users if doing it from root. >>> >>> Do i need to be in a certain group? >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Karl Hiramoto <karl(a)hiramoto.org> >>> Work: 978-425-2090 ext 25 >>> Cell: 508-517-4819 >>> Personal web page: http://karl.hiramoto.org/ >>> AOL IM ID = KarlH420 Yahoo_IM = karl_hiramoto >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wlug mailing list >>> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >>> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >> >> -- >> Dwight A. Ernest, dwight at significant dot com GPG key A6999567 >> Cell: +1-508-523-1416 FAX: +1-978-405-2504 YIM: dwight_ernest >> RHCE #803004293310030 http://significant.com/~dwight/ KA2CNN >> Papa, partner, pilot, net geek, sysadmin, consultant, cohouser. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wlug mailing list >> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >> -- Josh Huber

March 21, 2004

Re: [Wlug] wall messages on Gentoo

by Karl Hiramoto

I've had the wall behavior before broadcasting to allusers work before on other distro's (slackware & redhat) but now on gentoo it seems to be locked down. talk works, but instead of "talk user" you need to specify "talk user@localhost" wall works, but you have to be root. > Don't know specifically about gentoo, but try the 'write' or 'talk' > command instead of 'wall', but that'll go only to speified users. > > Karl Hiramoto wrote: > >> Anyone know how to allow users other than root to wall messages to other >> logins? >> >> wall "test" >> only displays to other users if doing it from root. >> >> Do i need to be in a certain group? >> >> >> -- >> Karl Hiramoto <karl(a)hiramoto.org> >> Work: 978-425-2090 ext 25 >> Cell: 508-517-4819 >> Personal web page: http://karl.hiramoto.org/ >> AOL IM ID = KarlH420 Yahoo_IM = karl_hiramoto >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wlug mailing list >> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > -- > Dwight A. Ernest, dwight at significant dot com GPG key A6999567 > Cell: +1-508-523-1416 FAX: +1-978-405-2504 YIM: dwight_ernest > RHCE #803004293310030 http://significant.com/~dwight/ KA2CNN > Papa, partner, pilot, net geek, sysadmin, consultant, cohouser. > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > -- Karl Hiramoto <karl(a)hiramoto.org> Work: 978-425-2090 ext 25 Cell: 508-517-4819 Personal web page: http://karl.hiramoto.org/ AOL IM ID = KarlH420 Yahoo_IM = karl_hiramoto

March 21, 2004

Re: [Wlug] wall messages on Gentoo

by Dwight A. Ernest

Don't know specifically about gentoo, but try the 'write' or 'talk' command instead of 'wall', but that'll go only to speified users. Karl Hiramoto wrote: > Anyone know how to allow users other than root to wall messages to other > logins? > > wall "test" > only displays to other users if doing it from root. > > Do i need to be in a certain group? > > > -- > Karl Hiramoto <karl(a)hiramoto.org> > Work: 978-425-2090 ext 25 > Cell: 508-517-4819 > Personal web page: http://karl.hiramoto.org/ > AOL IM ID = KarlH420 Yahoo_IM = karl_hiramoto > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug -- Dwight A. Ernest, dwight at significant dot com GPG key A6999567 Cell: +1-508-523-1416 FAX: +1-978-405-2504 YIM: dwight_ernest RHCE #803004293310030 http://significant.com/~dwight/ KA2CNN Papa, partner, pilot, net geek, sysadmin, consultant, cohouser.

March 21, 2004

wall messages on Gentoo

by Karl Hiramoto

Anyone know how to allow users other than root to wall messages to other logins? wall "test" only displays to other users if doing it from root. Do i need to be in a certain group? -- Karl Hiramoto <karl(a)hiramoto.org> Work: 978-425-2090 ext 25 Cell: 508-517-4819 Personal web page: http://karl.hiramoto.org/ AOL IM ID = KarlH420 Yahoo_IM = karl_hiramoto

March 21, 2004

Re: Instant Messaging Software

by Bob George

Keller, Tim wrote: >[...] >I only wish that Trillian supported Jabber. I deployed a Jabber server and >it worked, but the clients for windows were so crummy that nobody used it. > > One of Trillian's biggest strengths (and from the corporate perspective, perhaps weakness) is the ability to create and manage IM accounts with AIM, Yahoo! etc. If you're after a Jabber-only capability (i.e. internal jabber server), I've found Exodus and PSI to be excellent clients, available on Windows and X. PSI supports SSL, which is nice for off-site users. - Bob

March 20, 2004