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Re: High-speed access questions

by dancro.net＠comcast.net

Note to moderator - I am registered with email address wlug(a)dancro.net but have email forwarded to this comcast account, from which I am sending this reply. Dan Crooks ------------------------------- Brian, I am running Mandrake 9.2 and Win2K on a Dell Dimension in dual boot mode. Have used Win2K on a Comcast cable connection for 5 months. Comcast installer told me that they assumed I would be connecting with Windoze and Internet Explorer, which I did. But... I have since installed Mandrake 9.2. Installation was effortless and most importantly for this discussion, Mandrake found and connected with the cable modem on the LAN with no problem. I now use 9.2 and Galeon or Mozilla to surf the web. I share the LAN connection, without incident or effort, with my wife's XP Pro machine. Dan Crooks wlug(a)dancro.net > Send Wlug mailing list submissions to > wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > wlug-request(a)mail.wlug.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > wlug-owner(a)mail.wlug.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Wlug digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: High-speed access questions (Brian J. Conway) > 2. Re: High-speed access questions (Gregory Avedissian) > 3. Re: High-speed access questions (Mike Frysinger) > 4. RedHat 9 Network Problem (Joel J. Young) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 18:37:43 -0500 > From: "Brian J. Conway" <bconway(a)alum.wpi.edu> > Subject: Re: [Wlug] High-speed access questions > To: Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> > Message-ID: <20040331183743.0858c05e.bconway(a)alum.wpi.edu> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII > > Not true (entirely). What Comcast does now is direct all requests from an > unauthorized modem to a Comcast web page that you enter your info in and > it authorized the MAC address on your modem. Before that with AT&T > Broadband, I called up support, told them I had an unsupported OS and > asked them to enable my modem for use on their network. They asked for my > various information, and 5 minutes later, everything worked. > > But yes, using the Windows program was probably the easiest way. > Fortunately, now anyone with a browser can set things up. > > Brian > > On Wed, 31 Mar 2004 18:27:49 -0500 (EST) > gboyce(a)badbelly.com wrote: > > > On Wed, 31 Mar 2004, Gregory Avedissian wrote: > > > > > It seems like most of the providers say that you need windows or mac > > > to use their DSL or cable internet. Does this just mean they won't > > > offer tech support for linux, or does it mean that it won't work? I'm > > > planning on using a router and having two computers connected. > > > > When I signed up for a AT&T cable modem (before Comcast bought them), it > > > > was actually impossible to enable your cable modem from within Linux. > > There was a windows program to do the initial setup. After you get past > > > > that point, Linux would work with it fine. > > > > I luckily had a Windows partition on the machine at the time. > > > > I'm hoping that Comcast doesn't have this same problem for new users, > > but issues like that are a possibility. > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 19:50:56 -0500 > From: Gregory Avedissian <avedis(a)rcn.com> > Subject: Re: [Wlug] High-speed access questions > To: douglas.waud(a)umassmed.edu, Worcester Linux Users Group > <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> > Message-ID: <406B6770.1000401(a)rcn.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed > > Thanks to all who answered on this one. I called Verizon to ask them > about linux, and the person I spoke to had never heard of it. He did > manage to spell it right the first time, put me on hold and went to talk > to someone else who said that it does work. I also switched my phone > plan, and I'm saving $5/month on the DSL and another $5/month on my long > distance. > > I probably will have questions about this when I try to set it up. This > will be my first attempt at networking. OK, I thought of one already. > I'm running linux, and housemate is running XP. Will each OS just deal > with the router, or do I need special software to interact with a > windows box? > > Greg > > > doug waud wrote: > > Hi > > > > Gregory Avedissian wrote: > > > >> It seems like most of the providers say that you need windows or mac > >> to use their DSL or cable internet. Does this just mean they won't > >> offer tech support for linux, or does it mean that it won't work? I'm > >> planning on using a router and having two computers connected. > > > > > > I have dealt with 3 cable companies. > > > > The first, the local Shrewsbury Cable company wanted a Windows box so > > their installer could prove/test that the system was working. This is a > > reasonable position; if you don't draw the line tightly you'll end up > > dealing with the customer-from-hell and just run up expenses. > > Incidentally, the guy who came to my house played with Linux at home so > > the atmosphere was cordial but beside the point since I had a windows > > notebook for the initial test (and then just reconnected cables once he > > was out the door. > > > > The second was for my daughter in Southboro. There the cable was > > Charter. Again, I just had a windows notebook available in the cellar > > where the cable came in and the cable modem would lie. As with the > > Shrewsbury cable company the service guy just wanted to confirm that the > > signal was working and again, I just reconnected cables once he was out > > the door. > > > > The third was Adelphia up at our cottage in NH. This time I did not get > > to the notebook stage. I just looked over the service man's shoulder > > while he installed the signal separator (ethernet/tv) and waved goodbye. > > I then ran a cable into the house to the cable modem (this time I bought > > it; cheaper route) and from there to a firewall/router. > > > > In all cases most computers are running Linux (my wife still has a > > Windows box for games) and all work fine. Once the signal gets out of > > the cable modem to your router, the os of the connected computers will > > make no difference. > > > > I cannot comment on phone help from any of the three companies since I > > have never needed it. I would not expect them to deal with Linux since > > that would not be cost-effective. On the other hand, this list is an > > alternative that will trump a low paid telephone responder any time :-) > > > > Get the modem in (and have a windows machine available) and then connect > > your router and see if you can ping the router etc. If you run into a > > problem get in touch with the list (or me directly if you wish). > > > > doug > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wlug mailing list > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 20:07:53 -0500 > From: Mike Frysinger <vapier(a)gentoo.org> > Subject: Re: [Wlug] High-speed access questions > To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > Message-ID: <200403312007.53122.vapier(a)gentoo.org> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > On Wednesday 31 March 2004 07:50 pm, Gregory Avedissian wrote: > > I probably will have questions about this when I try to set it up. This > > will be my first attempt at networking. OK, I thought of one already. > > I'm running linux, and housemate is running XP. Will each OS just deal > > with the router, or do I need special software to interact with a > > windows box? > > nope ... just get a hub and plug all the machines into it (dont plug into the > Uplink port though :D) > > on the router, if you run dhcp / nat / dns and setup the dhcp to give out all > the right values, all the machines should know what to do > -mike > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 22:25:53 -0500 > From: "Joel J. Young" <joel(a)jyng.com> > Subject: [Wlug] RedHat 9 Network Problem > To: <Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> > Message-ID: <000501c41799$0a23ccd0$0400a8c0@PALEALE> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Here are the requested files: > > Ifcfg-eth0: > # Lite-On|LNE100TX > DEVICE=eth0 > ONBOOT=yes > BOOTPROTO=dhcp > HWADDR=FF:FF:FF:FF:FF:FF > USERCTL=no > PEERDNS=yes > TYPE=Ethernet > NETMASK=255.255.255.0 > IPADDR=192.168.0.2 > GATEWAY=192.168.0.1 > > > Modules.conf: > alias usb-controller usb-uhci > alias sound-slot-0 emu10k1 > post-install sound-slot-0 /bin/aumix-minimal -f /etc/.aumixrc -L > >/dev/null 2>&1 || : > pre-remove sound-slot-0 /bin/aumix-minimal -f /etc/.aumixrc -S > >/dev/null 2>&1 || : > alias eth0 tulip > > > network: > NETWORKING=yes > HOSTNAME= > > > Output of /sbin/lspci -vv - Non network devices removed to pass 40k > post filter > > 00:0d.0 Ethernet controller: Lite-On Communications Inc LNE100TX (rev > 20) > Subsystem: Lite-On Communications Inc LNE100TX > Control: I/O- Mem- BusMaster+ SpecCycle- MemWINV- VGASnoop- > ParErr- Stepping- SERR- FastB2B- > Status: Cap- 66Mhz- UDF- FastB2B+ ParErr- DEVSEL=medium >TAbort- > <TAbort- <MAbort- >SERR- <PERR+ > Latency: 32 > Interrupt: pin A routed to IRQ 9 > Region 0: I/O ports at 8800 [disabled] [size=256] > Region 1: Memory at d5800000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [disabled] > [size=256] > Expansion ROM at <unassigned> [disabled] [size=256K] > > ...... > > > -----Original Message----- > From: wlug-bounces(a)mail.wlug.org [mailto:wlug-bounces@mail.wlug.org] On > Behalf Of Charles R. Anderson > Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2004 10:21 AM > To: Worcester Linux Users Group > Subject: Re: [Wlug] RedHat 9 Network Problem > > > On Tue, Mar 30, 2004 at 10:13:15AM -0500, Dwight A. Ernest wrote: > > Include your /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth0 and your > > /etc/sysconfig/network files in an email so we can see what they look > like. > > Also include /etc/modules.conf and the Ethernet card entry from the > "/sbin/lspci -vv" output. > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > >

April 1, 2004

Re: [Wlug] RedHat 9 Network Problem

by Dwight A. Ernest

That's the key problem, I think. Until you debug that, you're not going to get anywhere. You might try specifying a non-all-ones (the address shown is all ones in binary) MAC address in an ifconfig conmmand and see what happens. Joel J. Young wrote: > Here it is: > eth0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr FF:FF:FF:FF:FF:FF > UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 > RX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:2490342 overruns:0 frame:0 > TX packets:0 errors:3 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 > collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000 > RX bytes:0 (0.0 b) TX bytes:0 (0.0 b) > Interrupt:9 > > I'm suspicious about the HWaddr too, but I don't know why it wouldn't be > picking up the MAC address. -- Dwight A. Ernest, dwight at significant dot com GPG key A6999567 Cell: +1-508-523-1416 FAX: +1-978-405-2504 YIM: dwight_ernest RHCE #803004293310030 http://significant.com/~dwight/ KA2CNN Papa, partner, pilot, net geek, sysadmin, consultant, cohouser.

April 1, 2004

RE: [Wlug] RedHat 9 Network Problem

by Joel J. Young

Here it is: eth0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr FF:FF:FF:FF:FF:FF UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 RX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:2490342 overruns:0 frame:0 TX packets:0 errors:3 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000 RX bytes:0 (0.0 b) TX bytes:0 (0.0 b) Interrupt:9 I'm suspicious about the HWaddr too, but I don't know why it wouldn't be picking up the MAC address. > -----Original Message----- > From: wlug-bounces(a)mail.wlug.org > [mailto:wlug-bounces@mail.wlug.org] On Behalf Of Charles R. Anderson > Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2004 10:41 PM > To: Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > Subject: Re: [Wlug] RedHat 9 Network Problem > > > On Wed, Mar 31, 2004 at 10:25:53PM -0500, Joel J. Young wrote: > > # Lite-On|LNE100TX > > DEVICE=eth0 > > ONBOOT=yes > > BOOTPROTO=dhcp > > HWADDR=FF:FF:FF:FF:FF:FF > > The HWADDR here looks wrong. Can you post the output of: > > /sbin/ifconfig eth0 > > The HWaddr listed there should be what you set HWADDR= to in > ifcfg-eth0. > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

April 1, 2004

Re: [Wlug] RedHat 9 Network Problem

by Charles R. Anderson

On Wed, Mar 31, 2004 at 10:25:53PM -0500, Joel J. Young wrote: > # Lite-On|LNE100TX > DEVICE=eth0 > ONBOOT=yes > BOOTPROTO=dhcp > HWADDR=FF:FF:FF:FF:FF:FF The HWADDR here looks wrong. Can you post the output of: /sbin/ifconfig eth0 The HWaddr listed there should be what you set HWADDR= to in ifcfg-eth0.

April 1, 2004

RedHat 9 Network Problem

by Joel J. Young

Here are the requested files: Ifcfg-eth0: # Lite-On|LNE100TX DEVICE=eth0 ONBOOT=yes BOOTPROTO=dhcp HWADDR=FF:FF:FF:FF:FF:FF USERCTL=no PEERDNS=yes TYPE=Ethernet NETMASK=255.255.255.0 IPADDR=192.168.0.2 GATEWAY=192.168.0.1 Modules.conf: alias usb-controller usb-uhci alias sound-slot-0 emu10k1 post-install sound-slot-0 /bin/aumix-minimal -f /etc/.aumixrc -L >/dev/null 2>&1 || : pre-remove sound-slot-0 /bin/aumix-minimal -f /etc/.aumixrc -S >/dev/null 2>&1 || : alias eth0 tulip network: NETWORKING=yes HOSTNAME= Output of /sbin/lspci -vv - Non network devices removed to pass 40k post filter 00:0d.0 Ethernet controller: Lite-On Communications Inc LNE100TX (rev 20) Subsystem: Lite-On Communications Inc LNE100TX Control: I/O- Mem- BusMaster+ SpecCycle- MemWINV- VGASnoop- ParErr- Stepping- SERR- FastB2B- Status: Cap- 66Mhz- UDF- FastB2B+ ParErr- DEVSEL=medium >TAbort- <TAbort- <MAbort- >SERR- <PERR+ Latency: 32 Interrupt: pin A routed to IRQ 9 Region 0: I/O ports at 8800 [disabled] [size=256] Region 1: Memory at d5800000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [disabled] [size=256] Expansion ROM at <unassigned> [disabled] [size=256K] ...... -----Original Message----- From: wlug-bounces(a)mail.wlug.org [mailto:wlug-bounces@mail.wlug.org] On Behalf Of Charles R. Anderson Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2004 10:21 AM To: Worcester Linux Users Group Subject: Re: [Wlug] RedHat 9 Network Problem On Tue, Mar 30, 2004 at 10:13:15AM -0500, Dwight A. Ernest wrote: > Include your /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth0 and your > /etc/sysconfig/network files in an email so we can see what they look like. Also include /etc/modules.conf and the Ethernet card entry from the "/sbin/lspci -vv" output. _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

April 1, 2004

Re: [Wlug] High-speed access questions

by Mike Frysinger

On Wednesday 31 March 2004 07:50 pm, Gregory Avedissian wrote: > I probably will have questions about this when I try to set it up. This > will be my first attempt at networking. OK, I thought of one already. > I'm running linux, and housemate is running XP. Will each OS just deal > with the router, or do I need special software to interact with a > windows box? nope ... just get a hub and plug all the machines into it (dont plug into the Uplink port though :D) on the router, if you run dhcp / nat / dns and setup the dhcp to give out all the right values, all the machines should know what to do -mike

April 1, 2004

Re: [Wlug] High-speed access questions

by Gregory Avedissian

Thanks to all who answered on this one. I called Verizon to ask them about linux, and the person I spoke to had never heard of it. He did manage to spell it right the first time, put me on hold and went to talk to someone else who said that it does work. I also switched my phone plan, and I'm saving $5/month on the DSL and another $5/month on my long distance. I probably will have questions about this when I try to set it up. This will be my first attempt at networking. OK, I thought of one already. I'm running linux, and housemate is running XP. Will each OS just deal with the router, or do I need special software to interact with a windows box? Greg doug waud wrote: > Hi > > Gregory Avedissian wrote: > >> It seems like most of the providers say that you need windows or mac >> to use their DSL or cable internet. Does this just mean they won't >> offer tech support for linux, or does it mean that it won't work? I'm >> planning on using a router and having two computers connected. > > > I have dealt with 3 cable companies. > > The first, the local Shrewsbury Cable company wanted a Windows box so > their installer could prove/test that the system was working. This is a > reasonable position; if you don't draw the line tightly you'll end up > dealing with the customer-from-hell and just run up expenses. > Incidentally, the guy who came to my house played with Linux at home so > the atmosphere was cordial but beside the point since I had a windows > notebook for the initial test (and then just reconnected cables once he > was out the door. > > The second was for my daughter in Southboro. There the cable was > Charter. Again, I just had a windows notebook available in the cellar > where the cable came in and the cable modem would lie. As with the > Shrewsbury cable company the service guy just wanted to confirm that the > signal was working and again, I just reconnected cables once he was out > the door. > > The third was Adelphia up at our cottage in NH. This time I did not get > to the notebook stage. I just looked over the service man's shoulder > while he installed the signal separator (ethernet/tv) and waved goodbye. > I then ran a cable into the house to the cable modem (this time I bought > it; cheaper route) and from there to a firewall/router. > > In all cases most computers are running Linux (my wife still has a > Windows box for games) and all work fine. Once the signal gets out of > the cable modem to your router, the os of the connected computers will > make no difference. > > I cannot comment on phone help from any of the three companies since I > have never needed it. I would not expect them to deal with Linux since > that would not be cost-effective. On the other hand, this list is an > alternative that will trump a low paid telephone responder any time :-) > > Get the modem in (and have a windows machine available) and then connect > your router and see if you can ping the router etc. If you run into a > problem get in touch with the list (or me directly if you wish). > > doug > > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > >

April 1, 2004

Re: [Wlug] High-speed access questions

by doug waud

Hi Gregory Avedissian wrote: > It seems like most of the providers say that you need windows or mac to > use their DSL or cable internet. Does this just mean they won't offer > tech support for linux, or does it mean that it won't work? I'm planning > on using a router and having two computers connected. I have dealt with 3 cable companies. The first, the local Shrewsbury Cable company wanted a Windows box so their installer could prove/test that the system was working. This is a reasonable position; if you don't draw the line tightly you'll end up dealing with the customer-from-hell and just run up expenses. Incidentally, the guy who came to my house played with Linux at home so the atmosphere was cordial but beside the point since I had a windows notebook for the initial test (and then just reconnected cables once he was out the door. The second was for my daughter in Southboro. There the cable was Charter. Again, I just had a windows notebook available in the cellar where the cable came in and the cable modem would lie. As with the Shrewsbury cable company the service guy just wanted to confirm that the signal was working and again, I just reconnected cables once he was out the door. The third was Adelphia up at our cottage in NH. This time I did not get to the notebook stage. I just looked over the service man's shoulder while he installed the signal separator (ethernet/tv) and waved goodbye. I then ran a cable into the house to the cable modem (this time I bought it; cheaper route) and from there to a firewall/router. In all cases most computers are running Linux (my wife still has a Windows box for games) and all work fine. Once the signal gets out of the cable modem to your router, the os of the connected computers will make no difference. I cannot comment on phone help from any of the three companies since I have never needed it. I would not expect them to deal with Linux since that would not be cost-effective. On the other hand, this list is an alternative that will trump a low paid telephone responder any time :-) Get the modem in (and have a windows machine available) and then connect your router and see if you can ping the router etc. If you run into a problem get in touch with the list (or me directly if you wish). doug

March 31, 2004

Re: [Wlug] High-speed access questions

by Brian J. Conway

Not true (entirely). What Comcast does now is direct all requests from an unauthorized modem to a Comcast web page that you enter your info in and it authorized the MAC address on your modem. Before that with AT&T Broadband, I called up support, told them I had an unsupported OS and asked them to enable my modem for use on their network. They asked for my various information, and 5 minutes later, everything worked. But yes, using the Windows program was probably the easiest way. Fortunately, now anyone with a browser can set things up. Brian On Wed, 31 Mar 2004 18:27:49 -0500 (EST) gboyce(a)badbelly.com wrote: > On Wed, 31 Mar 2004, Gregory Avedissian wrote: > > > It seems like most of the providers say that you need windows or mac > > to use their DSL or cable internet. Does this just mean they won't > > offer tech support for linux, or does it mean that it won't work? I'm > > planning on using a router and having two computers connected. > > When I signed up for a AT&T cable modem (before Comcast bought them), it > > was actually impossible to enable your cable modem from within Linux. > There was a windows program to do the initial setup. After you get past > > that point, Linux would work with it fine. > > I luckily had a Windows partition on the machine at the time. > > I'm hoping that Comcast doesn't have this same problem for new users, > but issues like that are a possibility.

March 31, 2004

Re: [Wlug] High-speed access questions

by gboyce＠badbelly.com

On Wed, 31 Mar 2004, Gregory Avedissian wrote: > It seems like most of the providers say that you need windows or mac to > use their DSL or cable internet. Does this just mean they won't offer > tech support for linux, or does it mean that it won't work? I'm planning > on using a router and having two computers connected. When I signed up for a AT&T cable modem (before Comcast bought them), it was actually impossible to enable your cable modem from within Linux. There was a windows program to do the initial setup. After you get past that point, Linux would work with it fine. I luckily had a Windows partition on the machine at the time. I'm hoping that Comcast doesn't have this same problem for new users, but issues like that are a possibility.

March 31, 2004