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kernel driver vs module

by Mike Leo

I am still having a hard time understanding kernel drivers vs module's in practical use: I understand a kernel driver, is a driver that Linus, et al, have coded into the kernel, so if i have a peice of hardware, and I compile a kernel with that device's driver turned on, then my device will work. If i build that kernel driver as a module, the driver remains outside the kernel, but still availible for use. As a module I can rmmod or insmod when i need to use the device. My foggy'ness comes from a few things. 1. if the driver is built into the kernel, will it show up in lsmod? 2. if the driver does not show up in lsmod, how do i know if its loaded? 3. weather it's a built in driver or a module, how do i associate the driver (or module) with a particular device? 4. if the device does not have a driver in the kernel, I cannot build a custom kernel to include it, nor can I build it as a module from the kernel source. So: 5. if I get the driver from the vendor, it will build a module for me, based on my kernel-source or kernel-headers??? Then what? again, see #3: how do i associate the module with my device? This is a general linux quandry, but this time i have a debian stable install and have inserted a QLogic HBA. lsmod does show qla2xxx, but it doesn't seem to be functioning as it isn't logging into the fiber switch. thanks mike

July 10, 2006

kernel driver vs module

by Mike Leo

I am still having a hard time understanding kernel drivers vs module's in practical use: I understand a kernel driver, is a driver that Linus, et al, have coded into the kernel, so if i have a peice of hardware, and I compile a kernel with that device's driver turned on, then my device will work. If i build that kernel driver as a module, the driver remains outside the kernel, but still availible for use. As a module I can rmmod or insmod when i need to use the device. My foggy'ness comes from a few things. 1. if the driver is built into the kernel, will it show up in lsmod? 2. if the driver does not show up in lsmod, how do i know if its loaded? 3. weather it's a built in driver or a module, how do i associate the driver (or module) with a particular device? 4. if the device does not have a driver in the kernel, I cannot build a custom kernel to include it, nor can I build it as a module from the kernel source. So: 5. if I get the driver from the vendor, it will build a module for me, based on my kernel-source or kernel-headers??? Then what? again, see #3: how do i associate the module with my device? This is a general linux quandry, but this time i have a debian stable install and have inserted a QLogic HBA. lsmod does show qla2xxx, but it doesn't seem to be functioning as it isn't logging into the fiber switch. thanks mike

July 10, 2006

Re: [Wlug] CD drawer remains open

by Eric Martin

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Try booting from a live cd (knoppix, gentoo, ubuntu) and see if it behaves the same way. If it does, it's hardware (which is my guess). If not, it's software. Michael Long wrote: > Hi All, > > I have a system where the cd drive insists on keeping the drawer open. I > will close the drawer manually by pushing the button that closes it. > Within seconds the door will open again. What would cause this? > > Thanks > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFEr74/aI8VEtSi4H8RAh1fAJ9R6lUvWpnZRioD3jGH7p/k1KNkvQCfX5vK V8ePu9s8dO7ke2PFP4zyh5g= =Lmtq -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

July 8, 2006

CD drawer remains open

by Michael Long

Hi All, I have a system where the cd drive insists on keeping the drawer open. I will close the drawer manually by pushing the button that closes it. Within seconds the door will open again. What would cause this? Thanks

July 8, 2006

looking for an old amd cpu

by Mike Leo

greetings! I burnt out an amd CPU (my own fault of course...we all know how wonderful AMD chips are!)and am looking for a cheap replacement. It is for this motherboard: http://www.giga-byte.com/Products/Motherboard/Products_Spec.aspx?ClassValue… The current cpu is model AXDA2000DUT3C AMD Athlon, most likely http://www.cpu-world.com/CPUs/K7/AMD-Athlon%20XP%202000+%20-%20AXDA2000DUT3… however, if anyone has a replacement cpu that fits this motherboard and is willing to part with it, please let me know. Performance is not an issue, but working is a must! thanks mike

July 6, 2006

Re: [Wlug] Wlug Digest, Vol 32, Issue 20

by David Hardy

> Here's the link to the Night Life program site in Worcester: http://www.wpsweb.com/adulted/default.htm Lots of neat courses for many years now... Thanks Andy. Please send me a link to "Night Life." I did a google > search on that and "Worcester" but got a ton of stuff about bars! > > Doug > > Hi Doug, > > > > Since you cc'd the list, it should appear in the digest shortly. If it > > does not, please let me know and I'll investigate. > > > > I believe that the Night Life program in Worcester offers a class in > > Linux, taught by a WLUG member. However, I don't know what Night Life's > > policy is regarding a student's age. In addition, The Town of > > Chelmsford has a Community Education program which offers Linux classes > > (taught by another WLUG member), but that's probably too far away for > you. > > > > Finally, you're always welcome to attend a WLUG meeting in Worcester. > > We're open to all ages and ability levels. Keep an eye on the meeting > > postings in case something of interest comes along. > > > > Later, > > > > Andy > > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > End of Wlug Digest, Vol 32, Issue 20 > ************************************ >

June 30, 2006

Re: [Wlug] Wlug Digest, Vol 32, Issue 16

by d.maly＠ieee.org

Thanks Andy. Please send me a link to "Night Life." I did a google search on that and "Worcester" but got a ton of stuff about bars! Doug > Hi Doug, > > Since you cc'd the list, it should appear in the digest shortly. If it > does not, please let me know and I'll investigate. > > I believe that the Night Life program in Worcester offers a class in > Linux, taught by a WLUG member. However, I don't know what Night Life's > policy is regarding a student's age. In addition, The Town of > Chelmsford has a Community Education program which offers Linux classes > (taught by another WLUG member), but that's probably too far away for you. > > Finally, you're always welcome to attend a WLUG meeting in Worcester. > We're open to all ages and ability levels. Keep an eye on the meeting > postings in case something of interest comes along. > > Later, > > Andy >

June 29, 2006

Re: [Wlug] tutor / newbie

by Tim Keller

I live in Leominster right off of Rt 2. I guess the next question is, what kind of tutoring would it be? On 6/21/06, Chuck Noyes <vze284qe(a)verizon.net> wrote: > > I'm just down the street from you. Perhaps I can help. > > -Chuck > > > d.maly(a)ieee.org wrote: > > Yes, am looking for a tutor to teach in my home. > > > > I'm in Holden -- going north on 31 towards Wachusett. > > > > My son is 13 ... and his friends don't talk much about PCs ... except > > that they seem to be active IM-ers. > > > > Doug > >> Hi Doug, > >> > >> The way I read your email, I think you're looking for a human being to > >> tutor a teenage Linux newbie. True? Would this be relatively close to > >> Worcester? Does this teenage Linux newbie have teenage friends who > also > >> share an interest in Linux? > >> > >> Thanks, > >> > >> Andy > >> > >> -- > >> Andy Stewart, Founder > >> Worcester Linux Users' Group > >> Worcester, MA, USA > >> http://www.wlug.org > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > > Wlug mailing list > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > -- I am leary of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

June 27, 2006

Mobile Phone

by mlong＠datalong.com

I am currently looking to purchase a mobile phone where I can edit open office documents, sync with my linux desktop, connect to the internet, create an access point and of course make phone calls. Has anyone had any experience with the linux based devices that are currently available or am I better off looking at some of the other os's. Thanks, Mike

June 23, 2006

Re: [Wlug] [Fwd: Re: Tutor / irc / newbie]

by Eric Martin

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Unfortunately I'm not teaching that class right now as I'm going back to school myself. Is there anything in specific he's interested in? Andy Stewart wrote: > d.maly(a)ieee.org wrote: >>> Andy, >>> >>> I also sent this message to WLUG but didn't see it in the > Digest. Would >>> like to see it included because it has more detailed info. >>> >>> Thanks, Doug > > Hi Doug, > > Since you cc'd the list, it should appear in the digest shortly. > If it does not, please let me know and I'll investigate. > > I believe that the Night Life program in Worcester offers a class > in Linux, taught by a WLUG member. However, I don't know what > Night Life's policy is regarding a student's age. In addition, The > Town of Chelmsford has a Community Education program which offers > Linux classes (taught by another WLUG member), but that's probably > too far away for you. > > Finally, you're always welcome to attend a WLUG meeting in > Worcester. We're open to all ages and ability levels. Keep an eye > on the meeting postings in case something of interest comes along. > > Later, > > Andy > >>> -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: Tutor / irc >>> / newbie Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 13:07:10 -0400 From: >>> d.maly(a)ieee.org <d_maly(a)charter.net> To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >>> References: >>> <mailman.1.1150819203.28678.wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> >>> >>> >>> >>> The tutor is for my son. I have managed to keep our two > computers up to >>> date -- am now running Ubuntu 6.04. I want to teach more to my >>> > son, but >>> am getting beyond my abilities. I have some administrative >>> work > ... I >>> need to share resources, find some drivers ... then move onto > setting up >>> an email server. From there I have some applications I want to >>> start setting up, like a video editor and ham radio apps. >>> >>> Thanks for the links, they are new to me. >>> >>> I had problems with IRC, which I have not used before. I made >>> it to http://freenode.net/faq.shtml I got NickServ to look like >>> it was alive in GAIM. However, in the previous link, the >>> section about registering said this: Register your IRC nick: >>> >>> */msg nickserv register <your-password>* >>> >>> and I don't know what to do with this. Can you send this to >>> NickServ through GAIM?? Also, the command seems to be >>> registering a > nickname ... >>> but the register command is followed only by a password ... no > mention >>> of username/nickname. >>> >>> Thanks, Doug >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> >>>> Message: 2 Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 11:32:17 -0700 (PDT) From: >>>> Mike Leo <mleo963(a)yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [Wlug] Tutor for >>>> Teenager To: Worcester Linux Users Group <wlug(a)mail.wlug.org> >>>> Message-ID: >>>> <20060619183217.36816.qmail(a)web51309.mail.yahoo.com> >>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 >>>> >>>> are you the newbie? >>>> >>>> not sure what you are looking for, but >>> http://rute.2038bug.com/index.html.gz is a good read. >>> >>>> I also hang out at www.justlinux.com, and irc.freenode.net > #justlinux >>> and irc.oftc.net >>> >>>> #penguinslair. >>>> >>>> many people will also stear you towards www.google.com/linux >>>> as > well as >>> http://forums.gentoo.org/ >>> >>>> are you looking for an actual linux class to attend, or just > advise on >>> how to get started? >>> >>>> let use know more specifically what you are looking for and >>>> I'm sure >>> someone here can help you >>> >>>> out. >>>> >>>> mike >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> --- "d.maly(a)ieee.org" <d_maly(a)charter.net> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> --------------------------------- Can anyone recommend alinux >>>> tutor for a teenager newbie? Doug Maly >>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ Wlug >>>>> mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >>>>> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >>>>> >>>> >>> > > > -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, > MA, USA http://www.wlug.org > > _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFEmyOPaI8VEtSi4H8RAqtRAKDPVLvfrMyGG7pe+nvTyL9+PiGK1wCguuFn SJhZclY9DdRfqCuBjaAF1hA= =FKwQ -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

June 22, 2006