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Re: Next WLUG meeting proposal

by Tim Keller

Sounds like the 8th is a GO! Now for the topic.. Tim. On Sat, May 4, 2024 at 5:38 PM Keith Wright <kwright(a)keithdiane.us> wrote: > Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > > > The 8th is definitely safe. > > Are you kidding!? It's the most dangerous holiday ever! > > > May the 4th be with everybody! > > Hurray, Hurray, for the Eighth of May, national outdoor intercourse day! > > > https://www.holidayinsights.com/moreholidays/may/national-outdoor-intercour… > > That's OK, I can rearrange my schedule and make time for a jit.si session. > > Last time people had trouble hearing me. I tested my microphone > by asking Diane to let me into her Zoom account. We sat in the living > room 3m apart and tried to talk through headphones and our respective > computers and OSes. It put up a big button that said "Download Zoom Ap" > with misgivings I clicked it. It put a *.deb (Debian) file on my > computer, but did not install it (thank GNU). Then I noticed a much > smaller button that said "Use Browser". When I clicked that it all > worked just fine. Diane and I could Video chat through wifi, > Spectrum's router, and (I assume) some Zoom server somewhere. > > So the hardware works. > > I think somebody in a previous message hinted that there were audio > hardware configuration options in the Jit.Si web page. > > Does anybody have any thoughts? Using Debian > kwright@fcs26:~$ cat /etc/os-release > PRETTY_NAME="Debian GNU/Linux 12 (bookworm)" > and > Firefox 102.15.1esr (64-bit) > on a > Intel core i7 vPro Thinkpad with Logitech H390 USB headset. > > -- Keith > -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

May 6, 2024

Re: Next WLUG meeting proposal

by Keith Wright

Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > The 8th is definitely safe. Are you kidding!? It's the most dangerous holiday ever! > May the 4th be with everybody! Hurray, Hurray, for the Eighth of May, national outdoor intercourse day! https://www.holidayinsights.com/moreholidays/may/national-outdoor-intercour… That's OK, I can rearrange my schedule and make time for a jit.si session. Last time people had trouble hearing me. I tested my microphone by asking Diane to let me into her Zoom account. We sat in the living room 3m apart and tried to talk through headphones and our respective computers and OSes. It put up a big button that said "Download Zoom Ap" with misgivings I clicked it. It put a *.deb (Debian) file on my computer, but did not install it (thank GNU). Then I noticed a much smaller button that said "Use Browser". When I clicked that it all worked just fine. Diane and I could Video chat through wifi, Spectrum's router, and (I assume) some Zoom server somewhere. So the hardware works. I think somebody in a previous message hinted that there were audio hardware configuration options in the Jit.Si web page. Does anybody have any thoughts? Using Debian kwright@fcs26:~$ cat /etc/os-release PRETTY_NAME="Debian GNU/Linux 12 (bookworm)" and Firefox 102.15.1esr (64-bit) on a Intel core i7 vPro Thinkpad with Logitech H390 USB headset. -- Keith

May 4, 2024

Re: Next WLUG meeting proposal

by Tim Keller

Unfortunately the 15th doesn't work for me either.. The 8th is definitely safe. May the 4th be with everybody! Tim. On Fri, May 3, 2024, 9:55 AM THE HAMMER via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > Hey John, > > It's tough to go by me as I have not attended in too long a while. I can > say for me personally May 8th is booked. The 15th looks ok. If I'm not > able to attend either will do my best to view on line > > Ron > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* John Stoffel via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> > *Sent:* Thursday, May 2, 2024 3:51 PM > *To:* Worcester Linux Users' Group General Discussion <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > > > *Cc:* John Stoffel <john(a)stoffel.org> > *Subject:* [WLUG] Next WLUG meeting proposal > > > Guys, > Tim & I both have conflicts on alot of Thursdays in May for the > regular WLUG meeting. We'd like to see how people feel about moving > it to either > > May 8th > > or > > May 15th > > instead this month. We're still checking with Technocopia to make > sure we will have access on either of those days, but we wanted to > reach out and make sure the rest of you are ok with this change. > > Thanks, > John (and sorta Tim) > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/6SOAC… > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/43F4C… >

May 4, 2024

Re: Next WLUG meeting proposal

by THE HAMMER

Hey John, It's tough to go by me as I have not attended in too long a while. I can say for me personally May 8th is booked. The 15th looks ok. If I'm not able to attend either will do my best to view on line Ron ________________________________ From: John Stoffel via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2024 3:51 PM To: Worcester Linux Users' Group General Discussion <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> Cc: John Stoffel <john(a)stoffel.org> Subject: [WLUG] Next WLUG meeting proposal Guys, Tim & I both have conflicts on alot of Thursdays in May for the regular WLUG meeting. We'd like to see how people feel about moving it to either May 8th or May 15th instead this month. We're still checking with Technocopia to make sure we will have access on either of those days, but we wanted to reach out and make sure the rest of you are ok with this change. Thanks, John (and sorta Tim) _______________________________________________ WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ Web Forum/Archive: https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/6SOAC…

May 3, 2024

Next WLUG meeting proposal

by John Stoffel

Guys, Tim & I both have conflicts on alot of Thursdays in May for the regular WLUG meeting. We'd like to see how people feel about moving it to either May 8th or May 15th instead this month. We're still checking with Technocopia to make sure we will have access on either of those days, but we wanted to reach out and make sure the rest of you are ok with this change. Thanks, John (and sorta Tim)

May 2, 2024

Re: If you use putty or puttygen, update to the latest version..

by Tim Keller

Keith: Putty is an SSH client for windows. On a very cool side note, my co-worker Nick Howgrave-Graham, who a couple years ago came and gave a talk about encryption and math and public private key stuff. The researchers who found this flaw cited his work.. Quote from the PDF: Many works in the literature have exploited side-channel information about (EC)DSA nonces by solving the Hidden Number Problem (HNP), e.g. [65, 19, 55, 12, 70, 75, 71, 63, 80, 46], since the seminal works of Bleichenbacher [18] and Howgrave-Graham and Smart [45]. Nick is a brilliant guy and it's cool that his work is still being used to find flaws. Tim. On Wed, Apr 17, 2024 at 12:40 PM Gregory Boyce <gregory.boyce(a)gmail.com> wrote: > I've mostly seen putty used by Windows users, and Linux users that > recently moved from Windows. > > If you were using it, you would know. You should be good. > > On Wed, Apr 17, 2024, 9:34 AM Keith Wright via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> > wrote: > >> Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: >> >> > Putty just announced that versions earlier than 0.80 were generating >> > ecdsa-sha2-nistp521 that were flawed.. >> > >> > If you have any of these keys lying around, destroy them and regenerate >> keys. >> >> I had never heard of Putty, but this sounded dire. There are many >> things that I never heard of that are installed by my Linux distribution >> (Debian) and are essential for it's operation. Do I have putty keys >> lying around? >> >> I Google search reveals that this question has been asked by many other >> people and answered by many more people who have no idea what they are >> talking about. >> >> My current best guess is that PuTTy is a MeSs-Windows implementation of >> the ssh protocol that has been ported to Linux, for no good reason since >> the ssh program works better. >> >> Therefore I plan to ignore this dire warning. >> >> Does anybody think I am mistaken? >> >> -- Keith >> >> PS: In any case, this particular "security vulnerability" seems like it >> might be something to worry about iff you work for the CIA and think >> that the KGB may be spending mega-$ and years of work to steal your >> secrets. Nobody wants to steal my secrets. I am more worried that some >> random thug might break a window and steal my computer. >> _______________________________________________ >> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ >> Change Settings: >> https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ >> Web Forum/Archive: >> https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/6RYVL… >> > -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

April 19, 2024

Re: Great meeting last night! --- Sorry I couldn't stay

by Jon "maddog" Hall

Keith, >Does jitsi create rooms upon demand from anyone? Jitsi has two main methods of operation that I know of: o create an "on demand" room by generating a unique string that you can pass to the other people and everyone joins via that string o create a "moderated" room which has two URLs generated, one for the "users" and one for the "moderator". You get this type of room by clicking on "book a meeting URL" right under the normal window that says "start meeting" at the top of the Jitsi Meet page. With regards to the sound, I have a Thinkpad X1 and when I use the 3.5mm audio jack on the side I have not been able to get the microphone to work properly, so I use a USB sound card or USB headphones to hear and speak. This requires me to configure the sound options on the system. You can also select which speakers and microphones you want to use in the Jitsi application itself right before you "join the meeting". Just click on "settings". You may have to dicker with the volume a bit in your system settings. On the other hand my X1 now uses solid state storage and has a very soft fan (if it turns on at all) so sometimes I do not use any microphone or speakers other than those with the laptop. md On Fri, Apr 12, 2024 at 12:33 PM Keith Wright via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > Kevin Stratton via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > > > I was able to connect using https://jitsi.uvhash.org/WlugMA%20uvhash.org, > but > > I was the only person (as a moderator) in the lobby at 7:20. Does you > meeting > > start at 7:30? I assumed that the meeting starts at 7:00. > > I connected to https://jitsi.uvhash.org/WlugMA (no %20uvhash) at 7:00 > and found people there. Does jitsi create rooms upon demand from > anyone? > > My problem was that, while I could hear other people (at least while > they were near the microphone and the gloppita-gloppita machine was off) > they could not hear me, except intermittently. Worse, it seemed that > my laptop was generating noise and feedback, so people had to mute me > so that they could hear each other. > > The problem seemed to be in the software or configuration of my Thinpad > with Debian GNU/Linux 12 (bookworm) and Firefox ESR 102.15.1 > of Sept 12, 2023. > > I thought I had tested it the day before. I found a way to make a > recording and recorded a short speech, which I could play back. > It all seemed to work, but when I unplugged it and plugged it back in > it required reconfiguration and I may have missed something and wound > up using the built-in mike. > > The same USB headphone/mike seemed to work when attached to a Windows > machine, but where's the fun in that? > > I checked out early in disgust. Suggestions on how to debug the > mike might be helpful. > > -- Keith > > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/OA5FC… >

April 17, 2024

Re: If you use putty or puttygen, update to the latest version..

by Gregory Boyce

I've mostly seen putty used by Windows users, and Linux users that recently moved from Windows. If you were using it, you would know. You should be good. On Wed, Apr 17, 2024, 9:34 AM Keith Wright via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > > > Putty just announced that versions earlier than 0.80 were generating > > ecdsa-sha2-nistp521 that were flawed.. > > > > If you have any of these keys lying around, destroy them and regenerate > keys. > > I had never heard of Putty, but this sounded dire. There are many > things that I never heard of that are installed by my Linux distribution > (Debian) and are essential for it's operation. Do I have putty keys > lying around? > > I Google search reveals that this question has been asked by many other > people and answered by many more people who have no idea what they are > talking about. > > My current best guess is that PuTTy is a MeSs-Windows implementation of > the ssh protocol that has been ported to Linux, for no good reason since > the ssh program works better. > > Therefore I plan to ignore this dire warning. > > Does anybody think I am mistaken? > > -- Keith > > PS: In any case, this particular "security vulnerability" seems like it > might be something to worry about iff you work for the CIA and think > that the KGB may be spending mega-$ and years of work to steal your > secrets. Nobody wants to steal my secrets. I am more worried that some > random thug might break a window and steal my computer. > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/6RYVL… >

April 17, 2024

Re: If you use putty or puttygen, update to the latest version..

by Keith Wright

Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > Putty just announced that versions earlier than 0.80 were generating > ecdsa-sha2-nistp521 that were flawed.. > > If you have any of these keys lying around, destroy them and regenerate keys. I had never heard of Putty, but this sounded dire. There are many things that I never heard of that are installed by my Linux distribution (Debian) and are essential for it's operation. Do I have putty keys lying around? I Google search reveals that this question has been asked by many other people and answered by many more people who have no idea what they are talking about. My current best guess is that PuTTy is a MeSs-Windows implementation of the ssh protocol that has been ported to Linux, for no good reason since the ssh program works better. Therefore I plan to ignore this dire warning. Does anybody think I am mistaken? -- Keith PS: In any case, this particular "security vulnerability" seems like it might be something to worry about iff you work for the CIA and think that the KGB may be spending mega-$ and years of work to steal your secrets. Nobody wants to steal my secrets. I am more worried that some random thug might break a window and steal my computer.

April 17, 2024

If you use putty or puttygen, update to the latest version..

by Tim Keller

Putty just announced that versions earlier than 0.80 were generating ecdsa-sha2-nistp521 that were flawed.. If you have any of these keys lying around, destroy them and regenerate keys. Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

April 16, 2024