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Re: Next month meeting date, some input needed.

by John Stoffel

>>>>> "Frank" == Frank Sweetser via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > The 22nd would work for me. Sounds like the 22nd is the "good enough" date for people. Now for a topic! Can we get a talk on the web browser being developed for the new non-linux system? I totally am blanking on the name(s) right now, but we've mentioned it at the past few meetings. I'll try to bring my new tiny little desktop. The only gotcha is that it depends on my home NFS server for NFS home directories and LDAP for authentication. Which leads to another topic... keeping home directories in sync when you have laptops, home servers, remote systems, etc. How do people keep their setups consistent? I came from an era of Xterms and DEC workstations where all home and tool directories were on NFS servers, and the systems were very light on anything but enough to boot the OS. This way people could sit down at any system, login and their environment was just there. Now with everyone having laptops, I think most colleges have gone away from big computer labs any more. But keeping your files safe is tough. iCloud, OneDrive, rsync, etc have helped, but I'm not sure what the real answer is here. This could be an interesting topic! John

May 2, 2025

Re: Next month meeting date, some input needed.

by Frank Sweetser

The 22nd would work for me. On Thu, May 1, 2025 at 3:30 PM John Stoffel via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > >>>>> "Jansen" == Jansen Smith via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > > I can make the 15th if you need me to run a meeting solo, otherwise we > can do the 22nd. > > > Monthly is monthly, IMHO. > > 22nd works for me. > > > On Wed, Apr 30, 2025, 11:20 AM Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> > wrote: > > > Next Month on the 2nd and 3rd Thursdays I have conflicts. > > So.. the next possible Thursday would be the 22nd.. > > Another option is that we shift the meeting to Wednesday for this > month on the 14th? I know > > that isn't an "Free Hack" day at Technocopia, but I think we can > work something out. > > > What would people like to do? > > Thanks, > > Tim. > > > -- > > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their > constituents as > > "consumers". > > _______________________________________________ > > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > > Web Forum/Archive: > > > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/Q362J… > > _______________________________________________ > > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/FMBQX… > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/GFUHV… > -- - Frank

May 1, 2025

Re: Next month meeting date, some input needed.

by John Stoffel

>>>>> "Jansen" == Jansen Smith via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: I can make the 15th if you need me to run a meeting solo, otherwise we can do the 22nd. > Monthly is monthly, IMHO. > 22nd works for me. > On Wed, Apr 30, 2025, 11:20 AM Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > Next Month on the 2nd and 3rd Thursdays I have conflicts. > So.. the next possible Thursday would be the 22nd.. > Another option is that we shift the meeting to Wednesday for this month on the 14th? I know > that isn't an "Free Hack" day at Technocopia, but I think we can work something out. > What would people like to do? > Thanks, > Tim. > -- > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as > "consumers". > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/Q362J… > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/FMBQX…

May 1, 2025

Re: Next month meeting date, some input needed.

by Jansen Smith

Monthly is monthly, IMHO. 22nd works for me. On Wed, Apr 30, 2025, 11:20 AM Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > Next Month on the 2nd and 3rd Thursdays I have conflicts. > So.. the next possible Thursday would be the 22nd.. > Another option is that we shift the meeting to Wednesday for this month on > the 14th? I know that isn't an "Free Hack" day at Technocopia, but I think > we can work something out. > > What would people like to do? > Thanks, > Tim. > > -- > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their > constituents as "consumers". > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/Q362J… >

April 30, 2025

Next month meeting date, some input needed.

by Tim Keller

Next Month on the 2nd and 3rd Thursdays I have conflicts. So.. the next possible Thursday would be the 22nd.. Another option is that we shift the meeting to Wednesday for this month on the 14th? I know that isn't an "Free Hack" day at Technocopia, but I think we can work something out. What would people like to do? Thanks, Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

April 30, 2025

Re: IPv6, are you using it, should we be using it?

by Chuck Anderson

I mostly agree with Frank, especially for networks run by organizations whose primary business is not supplying network connectivity or public cloud computing to others. However, these days, IPv6 pretty much Just Works(tm), by default, out-of-the-box, on all general-purpose operating systems and you may not even realize you are using it. If you have Comcast Xfinity service and you are using their provided gateway router, then you are likely using IPv6. If you have Verizon Fios, same thing. If you have a cell phone, same thing. If you are using your own router and haven't configured it for IPv6, try OpenWRT with DHCPv6-PD. Go to https://whatismyip.com/ and look. On your cell phone, try with Wi-Fi turned off and then try again with it on. You can also try "ping google.com" (on Linux at least). If you are doing cloud computing, you can either pay for public IPv4 addresses, or you can get public IPv6 addresses for free. For special-purpose systems like IoT/smart home devices and such, they may still be playing catch up. Or they may not care much about implementing IPv6 because they run in a "closed" ecosystem where they control the only servers their devices talk to. But they might start caring now that cloud providers have started charging more for IPv4 addresses. But at this point it is more of a "who cares" situation for most people. The consumer shouldn't care. It makes good business sense to at least understand if you can gain a competitive advantage somehow by using IPv6, either by saving money, making a business model/product/service possible, or whatever. That's why the cell phone companies did it. On Sat, Apr 12, 2025 at 11:31:33AM -0400, Frank Sweetser via WLUG wrote: > <drags out soapbox...> > > I distinctly remember doing my first reading on IPv6 a full 30 years ago. > Since then I've seen some serious pushes to make IPv6 support ubiquitous, > including World IPv6 Day, federal government requirements for full IPv6 > support, and at least one site that offered unlimited free porn exclusively > over IPv6. Despite all of this work, the only success stories I've ever > read of around IPv6 have been carriers and hyperscalers that needed IPv6 > because their internal infrastructure grew beyond RFC1918 space, and IETF > conferences bragging how they enabled some new IPv6 feature... for the > conference. > > At the end of the day, I don't believe the economics will ever favor IPv6. > I have yet to see a widespread problem where the cost of adding more duct > tape to IPv4 is higher than the cost of switching to IPv6. With customers > not demanding IPv6 capable only systems from vendors, IPv6 support is > always going to come second to IPv4, and any other features that actually > drive revenue. > > Until someone figures out a way to make designing, building, and operating > IPv6 devices and networks cheaper than what we already have running on > IPv4, nothing much is going to change. > > Side note: if anyone wants to read some interesting opinions on IPv6 from > the technical side, IPSpace has a ton of great articles: > > https://blog.ipspace.net/tag/ipv6/ > > On Sat, Apr 12, 2025 at 11:12 AM Tracie Winslow via WLUG < > wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > > > I believe IPv6 will never be universally used unless there's genuinely no > > choice for anyone. We're out of IPv4 addresses, but technologies like NAT > > are making that workable (so far). > > > > > > *"For a long time it seemed to me that life was about to begin - real > > life. But there was always some obstacle in the way, something to be gotten > > through first, some unfinished business, time still to be served, a debt to > > be paid. At last it dawned on me that these obstacles were my life. This > > perspective has helped me to see there is no way to happiness. Happiness is > > the way. So treasure every moment you have and remember that time waits for > > no one."*- Souza > > > > On Sat, Apr 12, 2025, 11:04 AM steve--- via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> > > wrote: > > > >> I’ve been adding more and more matter/thread devices to my home and since > >> I’ve seen more local ipv6 addresses I’ve tried enabling Ipv6 fully. BUT, > >> Ive had struggles adding matter devices. > >> > >> Is this just older hardware choices like we have to create a 2.4 GHz only > >> network? Is the world of devices not yet ready for IPv6? What are your > >> thoughts on it?

April 12, 2025

Re: Reboot required questions

by The Hammer

Doug, Sorry for the late reply. Been super busy. Answer to Q1: The laptop is from 2010. It's a Lenovo Think Pad T400. I use it more as a mobile machine. The little data that I want to keep is backed up. The hard drive is an old spinning platter. Answer to Q2: I had no worries of losing any data files. My only concern was that I did not know if a total shut down (as opposed to a reboot) would corrupt the OS and force me to reinstall it. Further trivia: As far as the machine is concerned, it still runs quite well. It's only quirk (that I may have mentioned some time back) is that the DVD drive pops open at random times. On 4/5/25 20:53, DougWLUG Mildram via WLUG wrote: > I sent a longer reply an hour ago, but you've been temporarily spared (got a "await Moderator" email reply due to "Message contains administrivia", cool, what software is our forum on now/again? THANKS Moderator(s)). > > 2 new semi-concise/stage1 questions for OP/Ron: > > Q1: How old is computer, do you do backups, is your HardDisk still oldschool spinning platters? > > (if you still use an old(er) HD, I'd rethink the concept of nightly shutdown. Platter shaft grease gets old/hard -> sticky/striction HD ...may decide not to spin up someday. But a tiny hammer on the HD during powerup could revive...I'll never forget the day TWO of my NetApp HD's on a raid5 (ONE dead disk allowed to rebuild itself, not raid6 which can survive 2 dead disks. My server room had been powered off all night due to a bldg planned night of shutdown! And the backup robot my CA boss sent me, was failing to do sane backups for my MAss/work servers for past weeks on that NetApp. A revisit to server room with sm hammer, a few taps, got one stuck HD to spin, NetApp rebuilt the raid5 ! ) > > Q2: if "losing my personal files" is the biggest worry (shouldn't it be?), do you have your personal data on a 2nd disk of any speed, to augment an SSD for the OS ? Secondary worries of course include nuisance of having to reload OS+me if the Update Manager makes a giant mess, which (apparently never happens) || (...not to me, ever) long as linux auto-updates have existed in/on my dwindling beasts/zoo. > > OS magic/behind-scenes: I do believe on instinct that the Update temporary files are stashed to LOCAL HD so you can even do your finish-update bootUP with No Freaking Network up. Hope my aging gut remains right on that. > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/TFGBH…

April 12, 2025

Re: IPv6, are you using it, should we be using it?

by Keith Wright

Frank Sweetser via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > Until someone figures out a way to make designing, building, and operating IPv6 > devices and networks cheaper than what we already have running on IPv4, nothing > much is going to change. > >> On Sat, Apr 12, 2025, 11:04 AM steve--- via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> >> wrote: >> >> I’ve been adding more and more matter/thread devices to my home and >> since I’ve seen more local ipv6 addresses I’ve tried enabling Ipv6 >> fully. BUT, Ive had struggles adding matter devices. >> >> Is this just older hardware choices like we have to create a 2.4 GHz >> only network? Is the world of devices not yet ready for IPv6? What are >> your thoughts on it? >> >> Steve Thibault >> I had no idea what is a matter/thread device. Google found a few explanations. Gotta say those are really stupid names and already used by philosophers and OS developers for much more important things. No matter. You remind me that I had a web page that I had forgotten about that recounts my experience with IPv6. Bottom line tldr: It works. I'm not surprised that matter/threads doesn't. "Any sufficiently advanced technology is no more reliable than magic." Fortunately, I don't care. I like switches that click and turn the power off and on when you push them. -- Keith PS: Where does the IPv5 Users Group meet?

April 12, 2025

Re: IPv6, are you using it, should we be using it?

by Frank Sweetser

<drags out soapbox...> I distinctly remember doing my first reading on IPv6 a full 30 years ago. Since then I've seen some serious pushes to make IPv6 support ubiquitous, including World IPv6 Day, federal government requirements for full IPv6 support, and at least one site that offered unlimited free porn exclusively over IPv6. Despite all of this work, the only success stories I've ever read of around IPv6 have been carriers and hyperscalers that needed IPv6 because their internal infrastructure grew beyond RFC1918 space, and IETF conferences bragging how they enabled some new IPv6 feature... for the conference. At the end of the day, I don't believe the economics will ever favor IPv6. I have yet to see a widespread problem where the cost of adding more duct tape to IPv4 is higher than the cost of switching to IPv6. With customers not demanding IPv6 capable only systems from vendors, IPv6 support is always going to come second to IPv4, and any other features that actually drive revenue. Until someone figures out a way to make designing, building, and operating IPv6 devices and networks cheaper than what we already have running on IPv4, nothing much is going to change. Side note: if anyone wants to read some interesting opinions on IPv6 from the technical side, IPSpace has a ton of great articles: https://blog.ipspace.net/tag/ipv6/ On Sat, Apr 12, 2025 at 11:12 AM Tracie Winslow via WLUG < wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > I believe IPv6 will never be universally used unless there's genuinely no > choice for anyone. We're out of IPv4 addresses, but technologies like NAT > are making that workable (so far). > > > *"For a long time it seemed to me that life was about to begin - real > life. But there was always some obstacle in the way, something to be gotten > through first, some unfinished business, time still to be served, a debt to > be paid. At last it dawned on me that these obstacles were my life. This > perspective has helped me to see there is no way to happiness. Happiness is > the way. So treasure every moment you have and remember that time waits for > no one."*- Souza > > On Sat, Apr 12, 2025, 11:04 AM steve--- via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> > wrote: > >> I’ve been adding more and more matter/thread devices to my home and since >> I’ve seen more local ipv6 addresses I’ve tried enabling Ipv6 fully. BUT, >> Ive had struggles adding matter devices. >> >> Is this just older hardware choices like we have to create a 2.4 GHz only >> network? Is the world of devices not yet ready for IPv6? What are your >> thoughts on it? >> >> >> Steve Thibault >> >> _______________________________________________ >> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ >> Change Settings: >> https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ >> Web Forum/Archive: >> https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/KWDHR… >> > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/4H2H7… > -- - Frank

April 12, 2025

Re: IPv6, are you using it, should we be using it?

by Tracie Winslow

I believe IPv6 will never be universally used unless there's genuinely no choice for anyone. We're out of IPv4 addresses, but technologies like NAT are making that workable (so far). *"For a long time it seemed to me that life was about to begin - real life. But there was always some obstacle in the way, something to be gotten through first, some unfinished business, time still to be served, a debt to be paid. At last it dawned on me that these obstacles were my life. This perspective has helped me to see there is no way to happiness. Happiness is the way. So treasure every moment you have and remember that time waits for no one."*- Souza On Sat, Apr 12, 2025, 11:04 AM steve--- via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > I’ve been adding more and more matter/thread devices to my home and since > I’ve seen more local ipv6 addresses I’ve tried enabling Ipv6 fully. BUT, > Ive had struggles adding matter devices. > > Is this just older hardware choices like we have to create a 2.4 GHz only > network? Is the world of devices not yet ready for IPv6? What are your > thoughts on it? > > > Steve Thibault > > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/KWDHR… >

April 12, 2025