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RE: [Wlug] Installfest

by George Metz

> After rebooting I get the lilo prompt to select an OS. I select windows > and am then presented another lilo prompt (SuSE 7.0?) to select an OS. > After choosing windows a second time, windows is successfully launched. > > This accomplishes what I need...but it would be nice to understand what > is happening so I could get rid of the second OS prompt. Obviously I > have done several installs on my system onto different drives. I have > read the man page for lilo.conf and understood only a fraction of what > it was trying to tell me. Can someone point me to some other resources > that will help me to understand what is happening during the boot process? What it sounds like to me is that there's two installations of SuSE on that machine, possibly. I use a similar setup due to laziness myself, where I have Lilo running on the Master Boot Record for /dev/hda, controlling which actual partition gets booted, then I have a bootloader like grub or lilo set up on each individual partition to boot that partition's OS. This enables me to run one disk sharing Debian and Win2K, and a second disk running Red Hat 8.0 (hdb1), SuSE 8.1 (coming soon to hdb2), and Gentoo (coming soon to hdb3). If you select Linux from the second boot menu that you get to, is it the same install that you have running now, or a different one? Either way though, it's basically a situation where there's one boot loader per hard drive that's causing it to happen. You could probably, with a little tinkering, get that second menu to go away by setting Windows to the default option and setting timer to 0, but it's probably not worth the effort.

Oct. 25, 2002

BTW

by jeff

howdy cats... i must apologize for my lack of attendance to the install fun. sheesh. life is throwing me a bucket of hell lately and i gotta move out of my apartment by the end of next week - thus, i've been quite busy. if there is anyone who would still like a copy of something new (ala debian, gentoo, mandrake) all you gotta do is drop me a line. i have plenty of extra cd's and all i ask in return is that you give me some blanks. peace guys. -jeff btw, if i haven't mentioned it already, the new debian is really slick. tight and stable. that's a biased opinion. :-)

Oct. 25, 2002

Re: [Wlug] Installfest

by doug waud

Michael Long wrote: > After rebooting I get the lilo prompt to select an OS. I select windows > and am then presented another lilo prompt (SuSE 7.0?) to select an OS. > After choosing windows a second time, windows is successfully launched. > > This accomplishes what I need...but it would be nice to understand what > is happening so I could get rid of the second OS prompt. Take a look at /etc/lilo.conf I expect you will see a line message=/boot/message and, if you try to cat /boot/message you will see gibberish (i.e. it is not ASCII but code for that SuSE window.) If you comment out/delete that message= line and then run lilo you should no longer see the SuSE stuff, If you wish, you can now add a line message=/boot/mymessage where mymessage is just a text file to echo whatever reminders you want at boot time. For example, I have used lines like for linux type l for windows type w (where my lilo.conf has lines label=l and label=w to match; I am lazy and like to type just one letter). Alternatively, you have no message= line and just use tab to list the options. doug

Oct. 25, 2002

Re: [Wlug] DRM/TCPA/Palladium

by Gary Hanley

On Fri, 25 Oct 2002, Brian J.Conway wrote: > Sure, but since Intel and AMD have both sworn themselves to support > Palladium in their hardware, there aren't that many choices left in that > area of the consumer market (VIA, I suppose). Have they sworn support or paying it lip-service at this point. I think I read somewhere that they are internally not in favor of Palladium but are being pressured to incorporate it, and if there is enough resistance they will have a reason to drop off. Maybe it was just AMD? I don't remember where I read that...sorry. > The disks aren't the issue, it's having software that the > Palladium-enabled BIOS says is okay to boot. Where it's booting from > doesn't matter. Well the grand scheme being pushed by Hollywood includes updates to the disk BIOS. Although I didn't read it specifically I would assume they would leave SCSI alone since SCSI are essentially business disks and EIDE are consumer disks. So if you build a system that looks like a business server maybe Palladium will let it pass? :-| -- Gary

Oct. 25, 2002

Re: [Wlug] backup recomendation

by Michael Long

I have a backup script that uses tar to back up files to disk. It does a full backup monthly, full backup weekly(file recycled monthly), incremental backups daily(file recycled weekly). I would be happy to send it to you if you would like. --mike > > I've used BRU in the past. I'm not that excited about it. It seems > bascly to be a GUI front end to TAR Most backup utils seem to be > geared towards tapes. Since i'm backing up to hard drives its a > littele different. > > I'm still expermenting with my custom tar scripts, thanks for the > suggestions tho. > > > > On Fri, 25 Oct 2002, Andy Stewart wrote: > > > On Thursday 24 October 2002 9:55 am, Karl Hiramoto wrote: > > > What do people out there use for backup tools. Anyone use Amanda? > > > Any good? > > > > HI Karl, > > > > I use BRU at home for my backups on my SCSI TR5 tape drive and it works great. > > It is a commercial product and you can find more info here: > > > > http://www.tolisgroup.com/ > > > > Also, for a while I used Arkeia which seems to be more for professional > > environments and not for home users. It is also a commercial product. You > > can find more info here: > > > > http://www.arkeia.com/ > > > > Later, > > > > Andy > > > > > > -- > > ¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø > Karl Hiramoto <karl(a)hiramoto.org> > Work: 978-425-2090 ext 25 > Cell: 508-517-4819 > Personal web page: http://karl.hiramoto.org/ > Zoop Productions: http://www.zoop.org/ > KTEQ Rapid City: http://www.kteq.org/ > AOL IM ID = KarlH420 Yahoo_IM = karl_hiramoto > ¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø > > "People should have access to the data which you have about them. There should > be a process for them to challenge any inaccuracies." > -- Arthur Miller > > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > >

Oct. 25, 2002

Re: [Wlug] backup recomendation

by Theo Van Dinter

On Fri, Oct 25, 2002 at 08:57:49AM -0400, Karl Hiramoto wrote: > That doesn't satisfy my need for daily incremental backups. A Hard > drive a day is way too expensive :) I guess it depends how much data you're backing up. I've heard of 160GB drives for ~$117, which is roughly ~$0.73 per GB (if you're on the SAGE mailing list, you've seen that thread...) That's a better price than the backup tapes required to get the same storage capacity. But if you're only backing up 8GB, then it's not so good. ;) I personally have HW RAID 1 to handle single disk failures, xfsdump level 0 weekly and level 1 daily online to a seperate section of hard drive (I keep 2 copies of each type of backup, so I have 2 weeklys and 2 dailys. It handles the standard "lost/corrupted my file", etc, requests), and a weekly disaster recovery backup using BRU to DDS2 tape (still only need 1 tape at the moment... :) ) which I hope to never use (it handles restore requests for > 1-2 weeks, and handles the issue if the RAID controller or both drives die at once, or I get cracked, or ...) -- Randomly Generated Tagline: "No animals were harmed in this production. Any resemblence to other smoking cats, real or imagined, is purely coincidental." - Richard Basile

Oct. 25, 2002

Re: [Wlug] backup recomendation

by Karl Hiramoto

I've used BRU in the past. I'm not that excited about it. It seems bascly to be a GUI front end to TAR Most backup utils seem to be geared towards tapes. Since i'm backing up to hard drives its a littele different. I'm still expermenting with my custom tar scripts, thanks for the suggestions tho. On Fri, 25 Oct 2002, Andy Stewart wrote: > On Thursday 24 October 2002 9:55 am, Karl Hiramoto wrote: > > What do people out there use for backup tools. Anyone use Amanda? > > Any good? > > HI Karl, > > I use BRU at home for my backups on my SCSI TR5 tape drive and it works great. > It is a commercial product and you can find more info here: > > http://www.tolisgroup.com/ > > Also, for a while I used Arkeia which seems to be more for professional > environments and not for home users. It is also a commercial product. You > can find more info here: > > http://www.arkeia.com/ > > Later, > > Andy > > -- ¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø Karl Hiramoto <karl(a)hiramoto.org> Work: 978-425-2090 ext 25 Cell: 508-517-4819 Personal web page: http://karl.hiramoto.org/ Zoop Productions: http://www.zoop.org/ KTEQ Rapid City: http://www.kteq.org/ AOL IM ID = KarlH420 Yahoo_IM = karl_hiramoto ¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø "People should have access to the data which you have about them. There should be a process for them to challenge any inaccuracies." -- Arthur Miller

Oct. 25, 2002

RE: [Wlug] backup recomendation

by Karl Hiramoto

That doesn't satisfy my need for daily incremental backups. A Hard drive a day is way too expensive :) On Fri, 25 Oct 2002, Marc Hughes wrote: > I'm not sure if this is feasible at all, but could you use software raid > and mirror your normal disk to the removeable one? Just a wacky > solution that I thought of when someone mentioned LVM ... > > -Marc > > -----Original Message----- > From: Andy Stewart [mailto:andystewart@attbi.com] > Sent: Friday, October 25, 2002 12:04 AM > To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > Subject: Re: [Wlug] backup recomendation > > > On Thursday 24 October 2002 9:55 am, Karl Hiramoto wrote: > > What do people out there use for backup tools. Anyone use Amanda? Any > > > good? > > HI Karl, > > I use BRU at home for my backups on my SCSI TR5 tape drive and it works > great. > It is a commercial product and you can find more info here: > > http://www.tolisgroup.com/ > > Also, for a while I used Arkeia which seems to be more for professional > environments and not for home users. It is also a commercial product. > You > can find more info here: > > http://www.arkeia.com/ > > Later, > > Andy > > -- ¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø Karl Hiramoto <karl(a)hiramoto.org> Work: 978-425-2090 ext 25 Cell: 508-517-4819 Personal web page: http://karl.hiramoto.org/ Zoop Productions: http://www.zoop.org/ KTEQ Rapid City: http://www.kteq.org/ AOL IM ID = KarlH420 Yahoo_IM = karl_hiramoto ¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø,¸¸,ø¤º°`°º¤ø "People should have access to the data which you have about them. There should be a process for them to challenge any inaccuracies." -- Arthur Miller

Oct. 25, 2002

Linux

by Setag Lib

I hear linux is very good. Is this true? Where can I buy it? What is difference between RedHat and Linux? Regards, Setag

Oct. 25, 2002

RE: [Wlug] backup recomendation

by Marc Hughes

I just started using arkeia the other day, and I'm rather impressed so far. They give you a 2 client license of version 4.2 for free (so you can backup the server, and 2 linux or windows clients) if you're using a linux backup server. You can make backups to tape or disk with it. Plus it has a little bit of eye candy; while backups are running, you can log in with the gui client (java client that works on a bunch of platforms) and see the speed at which the backups are running in a speedometer style display ... Hey, what can I say, I like pretty things :) I'm not sure if this is feasible at all, but could you use software raid and mirror your normal disk to the removeable one? Just a wacky solution that I thought of when someone mentioned LVM ... -Marc -----Original Message----- From: Andy Stewart [mailto:andystewart@attbi.com] Sent: Friday, October 25, 2002 12:04 AM To: wlug(a)mail.wlug.org Subject: Re: [Wlug] backup recomendation On Thursday 24 October 2002 9:55 am, Karl Hiramoto wrote: > What do people out there use for backup tools. Anyone use Amanda? Any > good? HI Karl, I use BRU at home for my backups on my SCSI TR5 tape drive and it works great. It is a commercial product and you can find more info here: http://www.tolisgroup.com/ Also, for a while I used Arkeia which seems to be more for professional environments and not for home users. It is also a commercial product. You can find more info here: http://www.arkeia.com/ Later, Andy -- Andy Stewart, Founder Worcester Linux Users' Group Worcester, MA USA http://www.wlug.org _______________________________________________ Wlug mailing list Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Oct. 25, 2002