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WLUG Meeting August 14th 2025 Topics: pi5 nvme support, backups

by Tim Keller

Hey Everybody! We've got a meeting this Thursday, August 14th, 2025 at 7PM! Location: Technocopia, 44 Portland Ave Worcester MA. Virtual Location: https://meet.jit.si/WlugMA I'm sure we'll have our usual A/V antics.. Topic: pi5 nvme support, backups, round table. I recently had a hardware failure that exposed that my backup solution wasn't that great. This spurred me to get a solution for backups. With a trusty pi5 and some nvme's I've setup a "burp" backup server. I'll show off the pi5 with an nvme or dual nvme setup running Rasbian with ZFS and burp. Then from there I'm sure we'll stray into other topics and I expect the conversation to get lively. As usual, we'll head out for dinner afterwards and keep the conversation going. Later, Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

Aug. 11, 2025

Re: m.2 for pi5!

by John Stoffel

>>>>> "Tim" == Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > I recently got all the bits so that I can stick a 1TB nvme on my pi5! > it almost makes it feel like a "real" server. > I'll probably bring the whole contraption with me for the next wlug meeting! > Oh and yes.. I'm using ZFS for the filesystem! Care to do some performance tests, comparing various filesystems?

July 26, 2025

Re: m.2 for pi5!

by Gregory Boyce

Gotcha, that makes sense. Voting from NVMe has worked out great for me, other than the issue choosing the root filesystem. Greg On Sat, Jul 26, 2025, 8:45 AM Tim Keller <turbofx(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Personally, I have linux running on the sd card and I'm using the nvme for > storage. Though now I want to do some experiments with having it boot > directly off the nvme.. > > I do like that the pi5 has a bios ypu cam interact with. > > On Wed, Jul 23, 2025 at 1:45 PM Gregory Boyce <gregory.boyce(a)gmail.com> > wrote: > >> Can I ask what method you used for installing Linux on it? >> >> I've got an NVMe drive in my pi5 as well, but all of the images I've seen >> expect to be dd'ed onto the device rather than a traditional install, which >> makes choosing a different filesystem or using LVM difficult. >> >> I've been planning on sitting down and doing a debootstrap based install >> at some point, but if you've found something easier I'd love to hear it. >> >> On Sun, Jul 20, 2025 at 4:33 PM Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> >> wrote: >> >>> I recently got all the bits so that I can stick a 1TB nvme on my pi5! >>> it almost makes it feel like a "real" server. >>> I'll probably bring the whole contraption with me for the next wlug >>> meeting! >>> >>> Oh and yes.. I'm using ZFS for the filesystem! >>> >>> Tim. >>> >>> -- >>> I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their >>> constituents as "consumers". >>> _______________________________________________ >>> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >>> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >>> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ >>> Change Settings: >>> https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ >>> Web Forum/Archive: >>> https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/MKDKR… >>> >> >> >> -- >> Greg >> > > > -- > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their > constituents as "consumers". >

July 26, 2025

Fwd: m.2 for pi5!

by Tim Keller

---------- Forwarded message --------- From: Tim Keller <turbofx(a)gmail.com> Date: Sat, Jul 26, 2025, 8:44 AM Subject: Re: [WLUG] m.2 for pi5! To: Gregory Boyce <gregory.boyce(a)gmail.com> Personally, I have linux running on the sd card and I'm using the nvme for storage. Though now I want to do some experiments with having it boot directly off the nvme.. I do like that the pi5 has a bios ypu cam interact with. On Wed, Jul 23, 2025 at 1:45 PM Gregory Boyce <gregory.boyce(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Can I ask what method you used for installing Linux on it? > > I've got an NVMe drive in my pi5 as well, but all of the images I've seen > expect to be dd'ed onto the device rather than a traditional install, which > makes choosing a different filesystem or using LVM difficult. > > I've been planning on sitting down and doing a debootstrap based install > at some point, but if you've found something easier I'd love to hear it. > > On Sun, Jul 20, 2025 at 4:33 PM Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> > wrote: > >> I recently got all the bits so that I can stick a 1TB nvme on my pi5! >> it almost makes it feel like a "real" server. >> I'll probably bring the whole contraption with me for the next wlug >> meeting! >> >> Oh and yes.. I'm using ZFS for the filesystem! >> >> Tim. >> >> -- >> I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their >> constituents as "consumers". >> _______________________________________________ >> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ >> Change Settings: >> https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ >> Web Forum/Archive: >> https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/MKDKR… >> > > > -- > Greg > -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

July 26, 2025

Re: m.2 for pi5!

by Robert N. Evans

I have a similar system. With Raspberry Pi OS, I used their imager to put the OS on an SD card. Booted the Pi5 from that card and manually transferred the file systems to the NVMe drive. I used GPT and have lots of multiboot possibilities via an autoboot.txt file in the firmware filesystem... rob@d5:~ $ lsblk NAME MAJ:MIN RM SIZE RO TYPE MOUNTPOINTS nvme0n1 259:0 0 476.9G 0 disk ├─nvme0n1p1 259:1 0 1G 0 part /boot/firmware ├─nvme0n1p2 259:2 0 1G 0 part ├─nvme0n1p3 259:3 0 1G 0 part ├─nvme0n1p4 259:4 0 1G 0 part ├─nvme0n1p5 259:5 0 1G 0 part ├─nvme0n1p6 259:6 0 1G 0 part ├─nvme0n1p7 259:7 0 1G 0 part ├─nvme0n1p8 259:8 0 1G 0 part ├─nvme0n1p9 259:9 0 1G 0 part ├─nvme0n1p10 259:10 0 8G 0 part [SWAP] ├─nvme0n1p11 259:11 0 31G 0 part / ├─nvme0n1p12 259:12 0 31G 0 part ├─nvme0n1p13 259:13 0 31G 0 part ├─nvme0n1p14 259:14 0 31G 0 part ├─nvme0n1p15 259:15 0 31G 0 part ├─nvme0n1p16 259:16 0 31G 0 part ├─nvme0n1p17 259:17 0 31G 0 part ├─nvme0n1p18 259:18 0 31G 0 part ├─nvme0n1p19 259:19 0 31G 0 part └─nvme0n1p20 259:20 0 180.9G 0 part /Data -Bob Evans -----Original Message----- From: Worcester Linux Users' Group General Discussion <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> Sent: Jul 23, 2025 1:48 PM To: Worcester Linux Users' Group General Discussion <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> Cc: Tim Keller <turbofx(a)gmail.com>, Gregory Boyce <gregory.boyce(a)gmail.com> Subject: [WLUG] Re: m.2 for pi5! Can I ask what method you used for installing Linux on it? I've got an NVMe drive in my pi5 as well, but all of the images I've seen expect to be dd'ed onto the device rather than a traditional install, which makes choosing a different filesystem or using LVM difficult. I've been planning on sitting down and doing a debootstrap based install at some point, but if you've found something easier I'd love to hear it. On Sun, Jul 20, 2025 at 4:33 PM Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org (mailto:wlug@lists.wlug.org)> wrote: I recently got all the bits so that I can stick a 1TB nvme on my pi5! it almost makes it feel like a "real" server. I'll probably bring the whole contraption with me for the next wlug meeting! Oh and yes.. I'm using ZFS for the filesystem! Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers". _______________________________________________ WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org (mailto:wlug@lists.wlug.org) To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org (mailto:wlug-leave@lists.wlug.org) Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ Web Forum/Archive: https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/MKDKR… -- Greg

July 23, 2025

Re: m.2 for pi5!

by Gregory Boyce

Can I ask what method you used for installing Linux on it? I've got an NVMe drive in my pi5 as well, but all of the images I've seen expect to be dd'ed onto the device rather than a traditional install, which makes choosing a different filesystem or using LVM difficult. I've been planning on sitting down and doing a debootstrap based install at some point, but if you've found something easier I'd love to hear it. On Sun, Jul 20, 2025 at 4:33 PM Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > I recently got all the bits so that I can stick a 1TB nvme on my pi5! > it almost makes it feel like a "real" server. > I'll probably bring the whole contraption with me for the next wlug > meeting! > > Oh and yes.. I'm using ZFS for the filesystem! > > Tim. > > -- > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their > constituents as "consumers". > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/MKDKR… > -- Greg

July 23, 2025

m.2 for pi5!

by Tim Keller

I recently got all the bits so that I can stick a 1TB nvme on my pi5! it almost makes it feel like a "real" server. I'll probably bring the whole contraption with me for the next wlug meeting! Oh and yes.. I'm using ZFS for the filesystem! Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

July 20, 2025

Re: Reboot required questions

by Michael Voorhis

Nothing maniacal about that in my book! On 7/16/25 10:31 AM, Tim Keller via WLUG wrote: > I'm a maniac that's compiling his own kernel.. so my machine gets > rebooted all the time.

July 16, 2025

Re: Reboot required questions

by Tim Keller

I'm a maniac that's compiling his own kernel.. so my machine gets rebooted all the time.. generally I take updates, then build a kernel, install the kernel and then reboot. On Wed, Jul 16, 2025 at 8:17 AM Doug Mildram via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > Pardon me or the universe: > > I wrote that previously... > Months ago or more? Terrible rant. > > I don't know how it got sent (again?) today, I was in bed just now .. > asleep > > On Wed, Jul 16, 2025, 8:13 AM Doug Mildram via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> > wrote: > >> doug> I was gonna reply, but my desktop Linux rebooted - oops my >> bad..Drafts to the rescue. >> >> Guess why my desktop rebooted? I was messing around trying to peek at >> Quit options >> ........musta highlighted Shut Down. I caused my own black screen of >> reboot/death! Ha. >> >> But I had Mint/etc updates waiting. I ALWAYS have them waiting. (except >> just now/rebooted). >> >> Gory detail/thoughts on your Q?: >> I can't think of a reason to fea of your current favored Choice2 below: >> >> Choice1: >> "reboot required" --> shut down now. Fire up tomorrow. >> OS patches ...mmm, nothing eye catching in the list that pops up >> on GUI/Mint/MATE on behalf of UpdateManager (not SoftwareManager), >> the bugger that pesters me, adds popups 1x/day or such... >> ,,,As you sneak-away/ponder "ready to reboot/shutdown?" >> you wonder when you feel like peeking at the update list. >> >> >> Choice2, (via any method ...click,allow,bless your imminent death, >> via anything like GUI choice Quit->Shut Down >> which probably invokes something like "shutdown --?" couple flags like >> >> *-h* >> The same as *--poweroff*, but does not override the action to >> take if it is "halt". E.g. *shutdown --reboot -h *means >> "poweroff", but *shutdown --halt -h *means "halt". >> >> >> Oh, gory! Anyways, the answer seems (always?) dependent on >> time/patience. >> >> >> Pardon the tangent now, if you're here, I'm amazed: >> "poweroff" however that really works with "shutdown" or other trick, >> might vary....... motherboard/etc might get a signal and take a real >> nap.. >> If you have hard disks, not SD, beware a days-long sleep ...sticky >> platter shaft/bearing... >> >> (choice3) If I was feeing Totally Watchful, I'd reboot, watch...Log In, >> ...then Quit. >> Inevitably=-> "Log In", and boring.....see what Update Manager sees in >> its playpen. >> >> Debates,topics, questions could easily continue if interesting! >> ---the bottom line might be >> what's the processes(session, service?) of greatest interest for you on >> your (desktop)? >> >> I leave/let a 2010 Dell Opti w Mint 20.1 sleep on its own, >> SanDisk HD/root good since 2018/2019?. 500gb/disk1 (disk2 for "your >> data" helps for long life). >> CPU Fans still orig and quiet, a miracle! --doug >> >> >> On Sat, Apr 5, 2025 at 4:37 PM The Hammer via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> >> wrote: >> >>> I usually run any updates on my Linux machine after I'm done using the >>> machine for the day. >>> >>> Sometimes the update the system says "reboot required" At that point I >>> close the active window. Hit restart, let the machine start up, reboot, >>> and then I sign in again before shutting down for the night. >>> >>> My question is: can I instead just shut down and wait until the next day >>> to start up the computer? >>> >>> (I've read on line that I need a "proper" shut down. With all the text >>> flashing at hyper speed I wonder if I do shut down or even start up >>> properly) >>> >>> Ron >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >>> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >>> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ >>> Change Settings: >>> https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ >>> Web Forum/Archive: >>> https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/3GBTB… >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ >> Change Settings: >> https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ >> Web Forum/Archive: >> https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/HK3W3… >> > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/7AVXO… > -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

July 16, 2025

Re: Reboot required questions

by Doug Mildram

Pardon me or the universe: I wrote that previously... Months ago or more? Terrible rant. I don't know how it got sent (again?) today, I was in bed just now .. asleep On Wed, Jul 16, 2025, 8:13 AM Doug Mildram via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > doug> I was gonna reply, but my desktop Linux rebooted - oops my > bad..Drafts to the rescue. > > Guess why my desktop rebooted? I was messing around trying to peek at Quit > options > ........musta highlighted Shut Down. I caused my own black screen of > reboot/death! Ha. > > But I had Mint/etc updates waiting. I ALWAYS have them waiting. (except > just now/rebooted). > > Gory detail/thoughts on your Q?: > I can't think of a reason to fea of your current favored Choice2 below: > > Choice1: > "reboot required" --> shut down now. Fire up tomorrow. > OS patches ...mmm, nothing eye catching in the list that pops up > on GUI/Mint/MATE on behalf of UpdateManager (not SoftwareManager), > the bugger that pesters me, adds popups 1x/day or such... > ,,,As you sneak-away/ponder "ready to reboot/shutdown?" > you wonder when you feel like peeking at the update list. > > > Choice2, (via any method ...click,allow,bless your imminent death, > via anything like GUI choice Quit->Shut Down > which probably invokes something like "shutdown --?" couple flags like > > *-h* > The same as *--poweroff*, but does not override the action to > take if it is "halt". E.g. *shutdown --reboot -h *means > "poweroff", but *shutdown --halt -h *means "halt". > > > Oh, gory! Anyways, the answer seems (always?) dependent on > time/patience. > > > Pardon the tangent now, if you're here, I'm amazed: > "poweroff" however that really works with "shutdown" or other trick, > might vary....... motherboard/etc might get a signal and take a real nap.. > If you have hard disks, not SD, beware a days-long sleep ...sticky platter > shaft/bearing... > > (choice3) If I was feeing Totally Watchful, I'd reboot, watch...Log In, > ...then Quit. > Inevitably=-> "Log In", and boring.....see what Update Manager sees in > its playpen. > > Debates,topics, questions could easily continue if interesting! > ---the bottom line might be > what's the processes(session, service?) of greatest interest for you on > your (desktop)? > > I leave/let a 2010 Dell Opti w Mint 20.1 sleep on its own, > SanDisk HD/root good since 2018/2019?. 500gb/disk1 (disk2 for "your data" > helps for long life). > CPU Fans still orig and quiet, a miracle! --doug > > > On Sat, Apr 5, 2025 at 4:37 PM The Hammer via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> > wrote: > >> I usually run any updates on my Linux machine after I'm done using the >> machine for the day. >> >> Sometimes the update the system says "reboot required" At that point I >> close the active window. Hit restart, let the machine start up, reboot, >> and then I sign in again before shutting down for the night. >> >> My question is: can I instead just shut down and wait until the next day >> to start up the computer? >> >> (I've read on line that I need a "proper" shut down. With all the text >> flashing at hyper speed I wonder if I do shut down or even start up >> properly) >> >> Ron >> >> _______________________________________________ >> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ >> Change Settings: >> https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ >> Web Forum/Archive: >> https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/3GBTB… >> > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/HK3W3… >

July 16, 2025