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Re: Reboot required questions

by dmildram＠gmail.com

I sent a longer reply an hour ago, but you've been temporarily spared (got a "await Moderator" email reply due to "Message contains administrivia", cool, what software is our forum on now/again? THANKS Moderator(s)). 2 new semi-concise/stage1 questions for OP/Ron: Q1: How old is computer, do you do backups, is your HardDisk still oldschool spinning platters? (if you still use an old(er) HD, I'd rethink the concept of nightly shutdown. Platter shaft grease gets old/hard -> sticky/striction HD ...may decide not to spin up someday. But a tiny hammer on the HD during powerup could revive...I'll never forget the day TWO of my NetApp HD's on a raid5 (ONE dead disk allowed to rebuild itself, not raid6 which can survive 2 dead disks. My server room had been powered off all night due to a bldg planned night of shutdown! And the backup robot my CA boss sent me, was failing to do sane backups for my MAss/work servers for past weeks on that NetApp. A revisit to server room with sm hammer, a few taps, got one stuck HD to spin, NetApp rebuilt the raid5 ! ) Q2: if "losing my personal files" is the biggest worry (shouldn't it be?), do you have your personal data on a 2nd disk of any speed, to augment an SSD for the OS ? Secondary worries of course include nuisance of having to reload OS+me if the Update Manager makes a giant mess, which (apparently never happens) || (...not to me, ever) long as linux auto-updates have existed in/on my dwindling beasts/zoo. OS magic/behind-scenes: I do believe on instinct that the Update temporary files are stashed to LOCAL HD so you can even do your finish-update bootUP with No Freaking Network up. Hope my aging gut remains right on that.

April 6, 2025

Re: Reboot required questions

by Doug Mildram

doug> I was gonna reply, but my desktop Linux rebooted - oops my bad..Drafts to the rescue. Guess why my desktop rebooted? I was messing around trying to peek at Quit options ........musta highlighted Shut Down. I caused my own black screen of reboot/death! Ha. But I had Mint/etc updates waiting. I ALWAYS have them waiting. (except just now/rebooted). Gory detail/thoughts on your Q?: I can't think of a reason to fea of your current favored Choice2 below: Choice1: "reboot required" --> shut down now. Fire up tomorrow. OS patches ...mmm, nothing eye catching in the list that pops up on GUI/Mint/MATE on behalf of UpdateManager (not SoftwareManager), the bugger that pesters me, adds popups 1x/day or such... ,,,As you sneak-away/ponder "ready to reboot/shutdown?" you wonder when you feel like peeking at the update list. Choice2, (via any method ...click,allow,bless your imminent death, via anything like GUI choice Quit->Shut Down which probably invokes something like "shutdown --?" couple flags like *-h* The same as *--poweroff*, but does not override the action to take if it is "halt". E.g. *shutdown --reboot -h *means "poweroff", but *shutdown --halt -h *means "halt". Oh, gory! Anyways, the answer seems (always?) dependent on time/patience. Pardon the tangent now, if you're here, I'm amazed: "poweroff" however that really works with "shutdown" or other trick, might vary....... motherboard/etc might get a signal and take a real nap.. If you have hard disks, not SD, beware a days-long sleep ...sticky platter shaft/bearing... (choice3) If I was feeing Totally Watchful, I'd reboot, watch...Log In, ...then Quit. Inevitably=-> "Log In", and boring.....see what Update Manager sees in its playpen. Debates,topics, questions could easily continue if interesting! ---the bottom line might be what's the processes(session, service?) of greatest interest for you on your (desktop)? I leave/let a 2010 Dell Opti w Mint 20.1 sleep on its own, SanDisk HD/root good since 2018/2019?. 500gb/disk1 (disk2 for "your data" helps for long life). CPU Fans still orig and quiet, a miracle! --doug On Sat, Apr 5, 2025 at 4:37 PM The Hammer via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > I usually run any updates on my Linux machine after I'm done using the > machine for the day. > > Sometimes the update the system says "reboot required" At that point I > close the active window. Hit restart, let the machine start up, reboot, > and then I sign in again before shutting down for the night. > > My question is: can I instead just shut down and wait until the next day > to start up the computer? > > (I've read on line that I need a "proper" shut down. With all the text > flashing at hyper speed I wonder if I do shut down or even start up > properly) > > Ron > > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/3GBTB… >

April 5, 2025

Re: Reboot required questions

by Robert Krawitz

On 4/5/25 16:36, The Hammer via WLUG wrote: > I usually run any updates on my Linux machine after I'm done using the machine for the day. > > Sometimes the update the system says "reboot required" At that point I close the active window. Hit > restart, let the machine start up, reboot, and then I sign in again before shutting down for the night. > > My question is: can I instead just shut down and wait until the next day to start up the computer? Yes, that has the same effect. The only caveat is if there's a problem with the update you won't spot it until the next day. > (I've read on line that I need a "proper" shut down. With all the text flashing at hyper speed I > wonder if I do shut down or even start up properly) If you're using the shutdown in GNOME/KDE/whatever, that's a "proper" shutdown.

April 5, 2025

Reboot required questions

by The Hammer

I usually run any updates on my Linux machine after I'm done using the machine for the day. Sometimes the update the system says "reboot required" At that point I close the active window. Hit restart, let the machine start up, reboot, and then I sign in again before shutting down for the night. My question is: can I instead just shut down and wait until the next day to start up the computer? (I've read on line that I need a "proper" shut down. With all the text flashing at hyper speed I wonder if I do shut down or even start up properly) Ron

April 5, 2025

pinning Icons in Gnome

by Kevin Stratton

I am using Ubuntu 24.0.X, which uses Gnome by default. Whenever I pin a .desktop icon to the dashboard, it is no longer visible when I browse through the apps. Is there a way to have an icon "pinned" to the dashboard and be visible in "show apps"? (the bottom left icon with three dots and three arcs in a circle that shows the available apps) My workaround for this is to copy the .desktop file to the desktop folder for items that I want conveniently available. Obviously, this is not the ideal.

April 3, 2025