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Re: WLUG Meeting next week! July 13th 2023.. Tentative topic is keyboards, RedHat.

by Jon "maddog" Hall

Hello, Re: Red Hat and IBM Several weeks ago IBM and Red Hat announced a change to their business licenses for RHEL. Several pundits wrote their opinions about these changes. I carefully read most of them, but I felt some concepts were missing. So I took my time and wrote my thoughts on it. I wrote to you in the middle of writing this article that I would share it with you when it was finished. I will warn you that the article is long. Very long. It is not the article of the TicTok generation, or even the Instagram generation. It is not an article for the faint of heart, but I think it does give a lot of insight into the development of software as an industry, binary-only code and why it happened, Open Source and Free Software. I have shared this with several people who, like me, have been around a "long time", and now I share it with you. Don't look for finger wagging here. Customers will decide what direction they want to go. https://www.lpi.org/blog/2023/07/30/ibm-red-hat-and-free-software-an-old-ma… Regards, md On Thu, Jul 6, 2023 at 1:22 PM Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > While not entirely linux related, keyboard preference is something that we > all have opinions on. > I'll bring along a couple interesting keyboards that play nicely with > linux. > > I know we'll definitely talk about the the RedHat decision as well. It'll > be interesting to get Joshua's perspective on this as well. > > I'm still working out a location on the WPI campus, I'll let everybody > know when I get more details. > > Thanks, > Tim. > > > -- > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their > constituents as "consumers". > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/BGQUS… >

July 30, 2023

Happy Sysadmin Day

by Tim Keller

Happy Sysadmin day! Later, Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

July 28, 2023

Installing ubuntu on a mac..

by Tim Keller

So funny enough another Mac fell into my lap and our success with Matt's mac encouraged me to get U22.04 installed on a 2014 macbook pro.. I tried to install using Ventoy only to hit this issue: https://github.com/ventoy/Ventoy/issues/52 I ended up writing the ISO directly to my scratch stick and installing from there. Just a heads up if you end up tripping on this. Thanks, Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

July 26, 2023

Lab bench giveaway

by John Stoffel

Hi all, I've got an 8' lab bench to give away, but I need it picked up this week at the latest. It's 8'w x 30"d by dunno.. 40" high? I can get better numbers. It weighs a ton, is super solid, and has stainging and some imperfections. It's been in my garage for years and shows it. Any takers? I'll be posting to my town (Boylson) freebie group later tonight. Please email me or TEXT my number befow. John john(a)stoffel.org 508-736-5499

July 24, 2023

Re: Red Hat controversy

by Joshua Stone

Ron, I hope you find the videos helpful! I think they summarize the issue better than I ever could. Jon, I look forward to seeing your write-up on this issue! I think a lot of the responses I've seen so far are understandable -- Red Hat has an image of being a pioneer in open source development, and closing up source code publication to anyone who isn't a customer is unprecedented and seemingly comes in direct conflict with Red Hat's goals. This is such a controversial development that there's an ongoing Wikipedia discussion on whether RHEL is even considered open-source or is violating the GPL: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Red_Hat_Enterprise_Linux#RfC_about_the_s… That being said, I think the community at large may be having a knee-jerk reaction to this news, which isn't helped at all by Red Hat's fairly poor PR handling. We might just need time to come to an understanding. Red Hat is continuing to contribute engineering resources and infrastructure hosting to open source projects as usual, but it'll be shifting focus toward CentOS Stream development instead of facilitating the proliferation of RHEL clones that inevitably end up directly competing with RHEL. - Josh On Fri, Jul 21, 2023 at 12:29 PM Jon "maddog" Hall < jon.maddog.hall(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Hi, > > I have been writing up a response to this that goes much deeper into the > discussion than most articles I have read have done. Because I have been > busy doing other things (Board Chair of the Linux Professional Institute, > defending the Linux Trademark AGAIN, doing virtual presentations and > preparing for a long trip to Latin America) I have not had time to finish > it, but I should be able to finish it this weekend. I have given drafts > to other LPI board members, many of whom have been in the FOSS space almost > as long as I have and some have been in the computer space....no...few > people have been in that space as long as I have. So far the comments have > been good, some saying it was "great". > > When it is finished I will post it to the LPI blog (free for everyone to > read) and let you guys know. I would also be happy to talk about it in > great depth at a WLUG meeting. > > Spoiler Alert: There is no evil here, and out of it could come great > good. > > Warmest regards, > > md > > On Fri, Jul 21, 2023 at 8:25 AM Joshua Stone via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> > wrote: > >> Hey everyone, >> >> I didn't talk about the Red Hat controversy at last night's meeting, >> namely the decision to stop publishing RHEL sources to git.centos.org >> <https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/furthering-evolution-centos-stream> and >> the implications this has on the various RHEL clones. >> >> If there's anyone still interested in hearing about the rationale behind >> this recent decision and the response that's created from clone makers, >> then I recommend listening to the following Linux Unplugged episodes: >> >> Caught Red-Hatted | LINUX Unplugged 517 (timestamp 00:08:39): >> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ra-mXDI-keo >> >> The Clone Grift Wars | LINUX Unplugged 519 (timestamp 00:06:02) >> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RdYn_xlOma4 >> >> I hope that brings some much-needed context to the discussion. >> >> - Josh >> _______________________________________________ >> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ >> Change Settings: >> https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ >> Web Forum/Archive: >> https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/BGYSN… >> >

July 21, 2023

Re: Thoughts or experience with long range (350ft) wifi

by John Stoffel

>>>>> "Bradley" == Bradley Noyes via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > Hello W-luggers — I have an out-building where I’d like to have > wifi. The distance is about 350ft. There are some trees in the way, > but not a thick forest. I’m curious to know if anyone here has > recommendations on outdoor, long range wifi equipment. Perhaps > something with a parabolic antenna or otherwise directional antenna. My wife's work in Worcester has two buildings on either side of Salisbury ave and at one point they used a point to point link between them since they couldn't get a cost effective solution using wires. Now I will say that using wires and running a trench would be a great solution if you can do it. It might also be part of the solution, maybe where you trench ffrom either end to a location with better line of sight. > The following article ( > https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2021/08/point-to-point-wi-fi-bridging-betwe… > ) recommends some TP-Link wifi routers, which is likely the route I’ll try. > Any one willing to share thoughts or experiences would helpful. I would follow the Ars article, they do a good job (when they do them) on giving you various pros/cons of solutions. I use TP-Link EAP-225 wireless APs both at home and at my church and they do a good job. But the real key is to just get antennas which focus the signal where you want it. Most APs try for symetrical singal to cover an area, which isn't what you want. The next step is to do some judicious tree trimming to keep a good line of sight, and ideally putting it high enough so that people and objects don't get in the way and disrupt things. Good luck! John

July 21, 2023

Re: Thoughts or experience with long range (350ft) wifi

by Jon "maddog" Hall

I read the article and while I disagree on the advantage of 2.4 GHz vs 5 GHz (because of the absorption of 2.4GHz by the water in the leaves of the trees) I had a thought about where your outbuilding gets its power. Do the power lines run from your house, and if they do why not try Ethernet-over-power? I had originally used Powerline unites to bridge Ethernet from one end of my house to the other instead of running Cat. You just have to make sure that there are no transformers in the way, that it is a straight piece of copper wire from your circuit box to the outbuilding. You should get 1-2 Gbit/second out of it. https://www.amazon.com/Powerline-Computer-Network-Adapters/b?ie=UTF8&node=1… md On Fri, Jul 21, 2023 at 10:47 AM Bradley Noyes via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > Hello W-luggers — I have an out-building where I’d like to have wifi. The > distance is about 350ft. There are some trees in the way, but not a thick > forest. I’m curious to know if anyone here has recommendations on outdoor, > long range wifi equipment. Perhaps something with a parabolic antenna or > otherwise directional antenna. > > The following article ( > https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2021/08/point-to-point-wi-fi-bridging-betwe…) > recommends some TP-Link wifi routers, which is likely the route I’ll try. > > Any one willing to share thoughts or experiences would helpful. > > Thanks! > — brad > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/FZFII… >

July 21, 2023

Re: Red Hat controversy

by Jon "maddog" Hall

Hi, I have been writing up a response to this that goes much deeper into the discussion than most articles I have read have done. Because I have been busy doing other things (Board Chair of the Linux Professional Institute, defending the Linux Trademark AGAIN, doing virtual presentations and preparing for a long trip to Latin America) I have not had time to finish it, but I should be able to finish it this weekend. I have given drafts to other LPI board members, many of whom have been in the FOSS space almost as long as I have and some have been in the computer space....no...few people have been in that space as long as I have. So far the comments have been good, some saying it was "great". When it is finished I will post it to the LPI blog (free for everyone to read) and let you guys know. I would also be happy to talk about it in great depth at a WLUG meeting. Spoiler Alert: There is no evil here, and out of it could come great good. Warmest regards, md On Fri, Jul 21, 2023 at 8:25 AM Joshua Stone via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > Hey everyone, > > I didn't talk about the Red Hat controversy at last night's meeting, > namely the decision to stop publishing RHEL sources to git.centos.org > <https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/furthering-evolution-centos-stream> and > the implications this has on the various RHEL clones. > > If there's anyone still interested in hearing about the rationale behind > this recent decision and the response that's created from clone makers, > then I recommend listening to the following Linux Unplugged episodes: > > Caught Red-Hatted | LINUX Unplugged 517 (timestamp 00:08:39): > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ra-mXDI-keo > > The Clone Grift Wars | LINUX Unplugged 519 (timestamp 00:06:02) > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RdYn_xlOma4 > > I hope that brings some much-needed context to the discussion. > > - Josh > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/BGYSN… >

July 21, 2023

Re: Red Hat controversy

by THE HAMMER

Josh, I am quite interested in hearing more, and had hoped that things got around to the Red Hat topic. Thanks for the links, I'll be checking them out. Ron ________________________________ From: Joshua Stone via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> Sent: Friday, July 21, 2023 8:24 AM To: Worcester Linux Users' Group General Discussion <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> Cc: Joshua Stone <joshua.gage.stone(a)gmail.com> Subject: [WLUG] Red Hat controversy Hey everyone, I didn't talk about the Red Hat controversy at last night's meeting, namely the decision to stop publishing RHEL sources to git.centos.org<https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/furthering-evolution-centos-stream> and the implications this has on the various RHEL clones. If there's anyone still interested in hearing about the rationale behind this recent decision and the response that's created from clone makers, then I recommend listening to the following Linux Unplugged episodes: Caught Red-Hatted | LINUX Unplugged 517 (timestamp 00:08:39): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ra-mXDI-keo The Clone Grift Wars | LINUX Unplugged 519 (timestamp 00:06:02) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RdYn_xlOma4 I hope that brings some much-needed context to the discussion. - Josh

July 21, 2023

Thoughts or experience with long range (350ft) wifi

by Bradley Noyes

Hello W-luggers — I have an out-building where I’d like to have wifi. The distance is about 350ft. There are some trees in the way, but not a thick forest. I’m curious to know if anyone here has recommendations on outdoor, long range wifi equipment. Perhaps something with a parabolic antenna or otherwise directional antenna. The following article (https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2021/08/point-to-point-wi-fi-bridging-betwe…) recommends some TP-Link wifi routers, which is likely the route I’ll try. Any one willing to share thoughts or experiences would helpful. Thanks! — brad

July 21, 2023