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Re: [EXT] I need advice on a new ISP

by Bacon, John

So I suspect that it's not GTT that is really providing DSL but more likely Verizon. And since VZ is trying to get out of the copper business that is why your dilemma. Since your in Worcester there are not many options. Charter Business or maybe going Cell based Business. However Verizon is working to roll out Fios in the city so maybe they will get your neighborhood before your disconnected. Im not sure where your web servers are hosted but you can use some web host company. I use TurnKey Internet (Latham, NY) Best of luck John Bacon WORCESTER POLYTECHNIC INSTITUTE Network Operations 100 Institute Road Worcester, MA | 01609-2280 508-831-5000 -----Original Message----- From: Keith Wright via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2023 12:25 AM To: Worcester Linux Users' Group General Discussion <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> Cc: wlug(a)lists.wlug.org; Keith Wright <kwright(a)keithdiane.us> Subject: [EXT] [WLUG] I need advice on a new ISP Well, the BIG problem that I have feared so long has arrived. GTT (my ISP) sent me a letter. The letter does not mention it, but GTT has filed for bankruptcy protection. The letter is full of things that I do not fully understand, but the bottom line is: "We no longer want to do business with you. You have a few months to get a new ISP, then we will unplug the wire." It seems there is not enough money to be made by charging a monthly fee to leave everything as it is. I have had the same IPv4 address for almost exactly 20 years and a lot things depend on that. There are three domain names that point to that address. There is a name server, a mail server, and a web server. I don't know how many of those things can be kept working with a new ISP. I will spend a few days asking for advice, and then decide. I don't have much hope of keeping the IP address with a new ISP, but I would like to keep my domain names and continue to send and receive mail with addresses in those domains, and to be able to put up web pages in those domains with a minimum of censorship and advertising. I don't need the name server if there is another way of doing this. Currently, that is all done via a DSL line to my basement. It seems that the new way is to "spin up" a virtual machine in the "cloud", and run Linux and servers from there. I don't know much about that. I live in Worcester, about a mile from WPI. More details can be read here: http://www.free-comp-shop.com/none/lossage.html at least for a few more months. -- Keith _______________________________________________ WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ Web Forum/Archive: https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/EUTXN…

April 13, 2023

Re: I need advice on a new ISP

by John Stoffel

>>>>> "Chuck" == Chuck Anderson <cra(a)fea.st> writes: > On Wed, Apr 12, 2023 at 05:14:31PM -0400, John Stoffel wrote: >> > If you can hold your nose, Oracle Cloud offers free forever instances. >> > That is where the WLUG website and DNS server is running these days. >> >> > https://www.oracle.com/cloud/free/ >> >> > These are probablhy the most relevant free services you could use to >> > replicate what you have at home now: >> >> And what's the price? > Free forever. With google's history of just dumping products randommly and without notice? No thanks...

April 13, 2023

Re: I need advice on a new ISP

by Althea Shaheen

Oracle cloud has been awesome for me for well over a year now. They provide quite a lot for free and are very good about not letting you enable things that are not free by accident. I just make sure to have good backups of my data there, in case they decide to take it away, but that's good advice with anything really :) On Thu, Apr 13, 2023, at 08:33, Chuck Anderson via WLUG wrote: > I would give a talk on how to set up Oracle Cloud manually--no Ansible > or other automation. > > On Thu, Apr 13, 2023 at 07:59:14AM -0400, Doug Mildram via WLUG wrote: >> Doug/dmildram> The free Oracle cloud >> setup talk sounds awesome. >> >> I'd expect it would take quite some time, >> both for presenter to prepare AND >> maybe even for the meeting timeframe. >> John, I think I may get as well try to >> not learn what Ansible is >> (being less into code control, node >> automation, myself... >> though I've seen an amazing amount >> of interest on them on this group, >> then pondered how we balance the >> various knowledge/skill levels in wlug). >> >> Am I right to assume that for a one-off, >> i.e. one personal/home user wanting >> free cloud storage and maybe email, >> that the Ansible angle should >> be postponed to follow >> a dumber/simpler?? How To talk? >> >> --Background just to expose my mind: >> I was a unix sysadin for decades >> since 1985, but my modern skills got >> out of date around 2000. Fortunately >> for me, I lucked into working with >> Chuck,Frank, many others as a WPI >> network engineer 2010-2019. Thus, >> not a sysadmin any longer but just a >> cubicle wall away from all kinds of >> IT evolution via WPI. Heck, even the >> WPI IT sysadmins leaned a bit?more? >> on the brains in NetOps ! --love, doug >> >> On Wed, Apr 12, 2023, 10:24 PM Chuck Anderson via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> >> wrote: >> >> > On Wed, Apr 12, 2023 at 05:14:31PM -0400, John Stoffel wrote: >> > > > If you can hold your nose, Oracle Cloud offers free forever instances. >> > > > That is where the WLUG website and DNS server is running these days. >> > > >> > > > https://www.oracle.com/cloud/free/ >> > > >> > > > These are probablhy the most relevant free services you could use to >> > > > replicate what you have at home now: >> > > >> > > And what's the price? >> > >> > Free forever. > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/XTNSW…

April 13, 2023

Re: I need advice on a new ISP

by Chuck Anderson

I would give a talk on how to set up Oracle Cloud manually--no Ansible or other automation. On Thu, Apr 13, 2023 at 07:59:14AM -0400, Doug Mildram via WLUG wrote: > Doug/dmildram> The free Oracle cloud > setup talk sounds awesome. > > I'd expect it would take quite some time, > both for presenter to prepare AND > maybe even for the meeting timeframe. > John, I think I may get as well try to > not learn what Ansible is > (being less into code control, node > automation, myself... > though I've seen an amazing amount > of interest on them on this group, > then pondered how we balance the > various knowledge/skill levels in wlug). > > Am I right to assume that for a one-off, > i.e. one personal/home user wanting > free cloud storage and maybe email, > that the Ansible angle should > be postponed to follow > a dumber/simpler?? How To talk? > > --Background just to expose my mind: > I was a unix sysadin for decades > since 1985, but my modern skills got > out of date around 2000. Fortunately > for me, I lucked into working with > Chuck,Frank, many others as a WPI > network engineer 2010-2019. Thus, > not a sysadmin any longer but just a > cubicle wall away from all kinds of > IT evolution via WPI. Heck, even the > WPI IT sysadmins leaned a bit?more? > on the brains in NetOps ! --love, doug > > On Wed, Apr 12, 2023, 10:24 PM Chuck Anderson via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> > wrote: > > > On Wed, Apr 12, 2023 at 05:14:31PM -0400, John Stoffel wrote: > > > > If you can hold your nose, Oracle Cloud offers free forever instances. > > > > That is where the WLUG website and DNS server is running these days. > > > > > > > https://www.oracle.com/cloud/free/ > > > > > > > These are probablhy the most relevant free services you could use to > > > > replicate what you have at home now: > > > > > > And what's the price? > > > > Free forever.

April 13, 2023

Re: I need advice on a new ISP

by Doug Mildram

Doug/dmildram> The free Oracle cloud setup talk sounds awesome. I'd expect it would take quite some time, both for presenter to prepare AND maybe even for the meeting timeframe. John, I think I may get as well try to not learn what Ansible is (being less into code control, node automation, myself... though I've seen an amazing amount of interest on them on this group, then pondered how we balance the various knowledge/skill levels in wlug). Am I right to assume that for a one-off, i.e. one personal/home user wanting free cloud storage and maybe email, that the Ansible angle should be postponed to follow a dumber/simpler?? How To talk? --Background just to expose my mind: I was a unix sysadin for decades since 1985, but my modern skills got out of date around 2000. Fortunately for me, I lucked into working with Chuck,Frank, many others as a WPI network engineer 2010-2019. Thus, not a sysadmin any longer but just a cubicle wall away from all kinds of IT evolution via WPI. Heck, even the WPI IT sysadmins leaned a bit?more? on the brains in NetOps ! --love, doug On Wed, Apr 12, 2023, 10:24 PM Chuck Anderson via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > On Wed, Apr 12, 2023 at 05:14:31PM -0400, John Stoffel wrote: > > > If you can hold your nose, Oracle Cloud offers free forever instances. > > > That is where the WLUG website and DNS server is running these days. > > > > > https://www.oracle.com/cloud/free/ > > > > > These are probablhy the most relevant free services you could use to > > > replicate what you have at home now: > > > > And what's the price? > > Free forever. > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/MCOR4… >

April 13, 2023

Re: I need advice on a new ISP

by soup

I've no love for oracle but OCI is probably one of the better deals for a 'traditional' cloud provider. The 10TB out finally forced AWS to increase their free-tier and it's still a fraction of that at 100GB, from 1GB. Their ARM works well for my purposes but is slower than graviton, not a concern here certainly. -soup On Wed, Apr 12, 2023 at 10:24 PM Chuck Anderson via WLUG < wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > On Wed, Apr 12, 2023 at 05:14:31PM -0400, John Stoffel wrote: > > > If you can hold your nose, Oracle Cloud offers free forever instances. > > > That is where the WLUG website and DNS server is running these days. > > > > > https://www.oracle.com/cloud/free/ > > > > > These are probablhy the most relevant free services you could use to > > > replicate what you have at home now: > > > > And what's the price? > > Free forever. > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/MCOR4… >

April 13, 2023

Re: I need advice on a new ISP

by Chuck Anderson

On Wed, Apr 12, 2023 at 05:14:31PM -0400, John Stoffel wrote: > > If you can hold your nose, Oracle Cloud offers free forever instances. > > That is where the WLUG website and DNS server is running these days. > > > https://www.oracle.com/cloud/free/ > > > These are probablhy the most relevant free services you could use to > > replicate what you have at home now: > > And what's the price? Free forever.

April 13, 2023

Re: I need advice on a new ISP

by John Stoffel

>>>>> "Chuck" == Chuck Anderson via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > On Tue, Apr 11, 2023 at 10:02:24PM -0400, Cara Salter via WLUG wrote: >> Hi Tim & Keith, >> >> On Tue, 2023-04-11 at 21:20 -0400, Tim Keller via WLUG wrote: >> > >> > Though from a pure linux nerd point of view, I've come to love >> > Linode. It's basically a cloud provider built by linux geeks. Also if >> > you look around there are all kinds of incentives where they'll give >> > you a 100 bucks to screw around. >> > The other cloud provider I've tinkered with is digital ocean, as well >> > as AWS/GCP/Oracle cloud. >> > The pro/con of going to the cloud is they hide most of the knobs.. >> >> My personal beef with Linode and AWS/GCP is the price. I've had great >> success with NetCup[0] which currently runs my mail and backup servers. >> They're pretty cheap but I've been using them for two-three years with >> minimal issues. >> >> >> I have worked on Linode, DigitalOcean, and Vultr before and they're all >> great offerings, just a tad on the expensive side for me. The other problem (which I have and aluded to earlier) is that @charter.net is blocking all emails from linode IP blocks. Which sucks since that's the ISP for my town, unless you're lucky enough to live on the few streets with FIOS. > If you can hold your nose, Oracle Cloud offers free forever instances. > That is where the WLUG website and DNS server is running these days. > https://www.oracle.com/cloud/free/ > These are probablhy the most relevant free services you could use to > replicate what you have at home now: > - 2 AMD based Compute VMs with 1/8 OCPU** and 1 GB memory each > - Arm-based Ampere A1 cores and 24 GB of memory usable as 1 VM or up to > 4 VMs with 3,000 OCPU hours and 18,000 GB hours per month > ** 1 OCPU on x86 CPU Architecture (AMD and Intel) = 2 vCPUs; 1 OCPU > on Arm CPU Architecture (Ampere) = 1 vCPU > - 2 Block Volumes Storage, 200 GB total > - Outbound Data Transfer: 10 TB per month > - Email Delivery: 3,000 emails sent per day And what's the price? > This sounds like a good WLUG topic: Getting Started with the Cloud. > How to open a Cloud account, install and manage Linux, IP addresses, > firewall rules, etc. I could do a talk sometime about how I use ansible to setup Linodes and some of the issues and problems I've run into while doing so.

April 12, 2023

Re: I need advice on a new ISP

by Chuck Anderson

On Tue, Apr 11, 2023 at 10:02:24PM -0400, Cara Salter via WLUG wrote: > Hi Tim & Keith, > > On Tue, 2023-04-11 at 21:20 -0400, Tim Keller via WLUG wrote: > > > > Though from a pure linux nerd point of view, I've come to love > > Linode. It's basically a cloud provider built by linux geeks. Also if > > you look around there are all kinds of incentives where they'll give > > you a 100 bucks to screw around. > > The other cloud provider I've tinkered with is digital ocean, as well > > as AWS/GCP/Oracle cloud. > > The pro/con of going to the cloud is they hide most of the knobs.. > > My personal beef with Linode and AWS/GCP is the price. I've had great > success with NetCup[0] which currently runs my mail and backup servers. > They're pretty cheap but I've been using them for two-three years with > minimal issues. > > > I have worked on Linode, DigitalOcean, and Vultr before and they're all > great offerings, just a tad on the expensive side for me. If you can hold your nose, Oracle Cloud offers free forever instances. That is where the WLUG website and DNS server is running these days. https://www.oracle.com/cloud/free/ These are probablhy the most relevant free services you could use to replicate what you have at home now: - 2 AMD based Compute VMs with 1/8 OCPU** and 1 GB memory each - Arm-based Ampere A1 cores and 24 GB of memory usable as 1 VM or up to 4 VMs with 3,000 OCPU hours and 18,000 GB hours per month ** 1 OCPU on x86 CPU Architecture (AMD and Intel) = 2 vCPUs; 1 OCPU on Arm CPU Architecture (Ampere) = 1 vCPU - 2 Block Volumes Storage, 200 GB total - Outbound Data Transfer: 10 TB per month - Email Delivery: 3,000 emails sent per day This sounds like a good WLUG topic: Getting Started with the Cloud. How to open a Cloud account, install and manage Linux, IP addresses, firewall rules, etc.

April 12, 2023

Re: I need advice on a new ISP

by Cara Salter

Hi Tim & Keith, On Tue, 2023-04-11 at 21:20 -0400, Tim Keller via WLUG wrote: > > Though from a pure linux nerd point of view, I've come to love > Linode. It's basically a cloud provider built by linux geeks. Also if > you look around there are all kinds of incentives where they'll give > you a 100 bucks to screw around. > The other cloud provider I've tinkered with is digital ocean, as well > as AWS/GCP/Oracle cloud. > The pro/con of going to the cloud is they hide most of the knobs.. My personal beef with Linode and AWS/GCP is the price. I've had great success with NetCup[0] which currently runs my mail and backup servers. They're pretty cheap but I've been using them for two-three years with minimal issues. I have worked on Linode, DigitalOcean, and Vultr before and they're all great offerings, just a tad on the expensive side for me. -- Cara (she/her)

April 12, 2023