March 2023 - WLUG - wlug.mailman3.com

Re: Reminder, meeting tonight!

by Joe Sherman

Hello Everyone, New member, going to try and make my first appearance tonight. Anything specific I should know or do? On Thu, Mar 16, 2023, 2:21 PM Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > We've got a meeting tonight! > Time: 7PM > Date: March 16th, 2023 > Location: WPI Student Center Chair's Room 129. > Address: 100 Institute Road, Worcester MA. > Virtual Location: https://meet.jit.si/WlugMA > Topic: Ventoy, docker stuff, printers, pi compute stuff, etc. > I thought I'd show off Ventoy which is a multiboot usb that lets you run a > whole pile of different distros. It's become yet another tool in my pocket > when dealing with weird stuff. > > We can definitely talk about printers.. I've been deploying lots of Ubuntu > 22.04 machines and I've had to delve into the fun that is cups.. I can > definitely get on the HP hate bandwagon.. > > There's some scuttlebutt that Docker is talking about purging all the OSS > images of users who don't pony up subscription money.. > > I'm sure we'll dive off into lots of topics as well. Pi compute boards, > personal k8s clusters, etc. > > As usual snacks and refreshments will be provided and we'll do dinner > afterwards and continue the conversation. > > Hope to see you there! > Tim. > -- > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their > constituents as "consumers". > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/KJ6UH… >

March 16, 2023

Reminder, meeting tonight!

by Tim Keller

We've got a meeting tonight! Time: 7PM Date: March 16th, 2023 Location: WPI Student Center Chair's Room 129. Address: 100 Institute Road, Worcester MA. Virtual Location: https://meet.jit.si/WlugMA Topic: Ventoy, docker stuff, printers, pi compute stuff, etc. I thought I'd show off Ventoy which is a multiboot usb that lets you run a whole pile of different distros. It's become yet another tool in my pocket when dealing with weird stuff. We can definitely talk about printers.. I've been deploying lots of Ubuntu 22.04 machines and I've had to delve into the fun that is cups.. I can definitely get on the HP hate bandwagon.. There's some scuttlebutt that Docker is talking about purging all the OSS images of users who don't pony up subscription money.. I'm sure we'll dive off into lots of topics as well. Pi compute boards, personal k8s clusters, etc. As usual snacks and refreshments will be provided and we'll do dinner afterwards and continue the conversation. Hope to see you there! Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

March 16, 2023

Meeting Reminder: Next Meeting March 16th 2023 (Tomorrow) Location: WPI Student Center Rm 129

by Tim Keller

Hey Everybody! We've got a meeting tomorrow! Time: 7PM Date: March 16th, 2023 Location: WPI Student Center Chair's Room 129. Virtual Location: https://meet.jit.si/WlugMA Topic: Ventoy, docker stuff, printers, pi compute stuff, etc. I thought I'd show off Ventoy which is a multiboot usb that lets you run a whole pile of different distros. We can definitely talk printers.. I've been deploying lots of Ubuntu 22.04 machines and I've had to delve into the fun that is cups.. I can definitely get on the HP hate bandwagon.. There's some scuttlebutt that Docker is talking about purging all the OSS images of users who don't pony up subscription money.. I'm sure we'll dive off into lots of topics as well. Pi compute boards, personal k8s clusters, etc. As usual snacks and refreshments will be provided and we'll do dinner afterwards and continue the conversation. Hope to see you there! Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

March 15, 2023

Re: printers and wlug mail list behavior

by Chuck Anderson

On Tue, Mar 14, 2023 at 02:09:02PM -0400, Keith Wright via WLUG wrote: > Now my questions are about the wlug.org mail server. > > Where is it? Is somebody in wlug paying for it? > Who owns it? Who has privilege to tweak it? > Who installs the OS? Through the generous support of https://mailman3.com/ and Danil Smirnov, we have free use of their Mailman 3 server. Tim and I can manage the Mailman settings via the web interface. We do not have OS or shell-level access. > > From: Doug Mildram via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> > > > > Our list server has that quirk, such that when you > > post a new item OR reply, everyone on the list except > > you gets a copy/email. I think. > > I don't know why you think that. > > It did not work like that in the past, and other > mailing lists to which I subscribe do not do that. There is a setting that controls this. I don't know if the setting on your account was accidentally changed recently, or for the list server as a whole changed. Postorius (the web interface) is running 1.3.9b1, which appears to be a beta release, so it could be a bug or unintentional setting change. This is the setting: Receive own postings Yes No Ordinarily, you will get a copy of every message you post to the list. If you don't want to receive this copy, set this option to No. If you never created a login account on wlug.mailman3.com, you can find the instructions and links here on our website: http://www.wlug.org/participate.html Mailing List and Web Forum WLUG has a combined mailing list/web forum for general discussion by WLUG members, meeting announcements, ideas for future topics, help and support, etc. Anyone is welcome to join, whether you have come to a meeting or not. Signup for a new account in order to change your settings and participate in the online Web Forum: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ Join the Mailing List/Web Forum: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ View the archives and participate via the Web Forum: https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/ > So a system of cables and computers running with GHz clocks > took about 5hrs to archive a few hundred bytes. > (Assuming the archive is in Eastern Standard Time.) Stuff happens. Maybe Mailman3.com did an upgrade to the latest beta version? Mailman Core Version GNU Mailman 3.3.9b1 (Tom Sawyer) Mailman Core API Version 3.1 Mailman Core Python Version 3.10.10 (main, Feb 9 2023, 02:08:14) [GCC 12.2.1 20220924] > I don't know exactly how long it took to deliver it to > you, but this is in the headers of the message I > finally got back: > > Received: from [172.22.0.5] > (wlugmailman3com_mailman-core_1.wlugmailman3com_default [172.22.0.5]) > by host.mailman3.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8EBB21747165; > Sat, 11 Mar 2023 09:59:38 +0000 (UTC) > > The day after it hit the archive. I can't find that ESMTP id 8EBB21747165, but I received a message around the same time that shows Received: headers in different timezones. There was a 10 hour and 12 minute delay inside the mailman3.com system, between these two Received: headers: Received: from [172.22.0.5] (wlugmailman3com_mailman-core_1.wlugmailman3com_default [172.22.0.5]) by host.mailman3.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1BFC8174716F; Sat, 11 Mar 2023 09:59:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: from dsl.keithdiane.us (dsl.keithdiane.us [66.92.74.188]) by host.mailman3.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54AD6174714F for <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org>; Fri, 10 Mar 2023 23:47:34 +0000 (UTC) And a 22 second delay between Keith's machine sending the message and host.mailman3.com receiving it, alhtough this could be clock skew. Keith, is your clock correct to the second on this system? Or do you only have a MHz speed system and a slow DSL line? Received: from fcs22.keithdiane.us (fcs22.keithdiane.us [192.168.1.121]) by fcs19.keithdiane.us (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21F2B218376; Fri, 10 Mar 2023 18:47:12 -0500 (EST) > > See https://wiki.list.org/x/4030680 > > > > Sincerely, > > Danil Smirnov > > That links to a bug/feature report on gmail.com. > I don't use gmail, does wlug? No. That appears to be a separate issue that may affect Doug.

March 14, 2023

Re: wlug mail list behavior

by Doug Mildram

I now believe, after reading the link Danil sent (thx!) ...that Gmail does prevent me from getting an email copy of every post I send (unless I Bcc myself). I'm not chatty on the few other forums I subscribe to, so I'd have never guessed. Just like the new car I bought: too darn smart, but I surrender! Doug On Tue, Mar 14, 2023, 2:13 PM Keith Wright via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > >> Our list server has that quirk, such that when you > >> post a new item OR reply, everyone on the list except > >> you gets a copy/email. I think. > > > > I don't know why you think that. > > > > It did not work like that in the past, and other > > mailing lists to which I subscribe do not do that. > > This time my message came back to me in 41 seconds. > > -- Keith > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/NGNTZ… >

March 14, 2023

Re: wlug mail list behavior

by Keith Wright

>> Our list server has that quirk, such that when you >> post a new item OR reply, everyone on the list except >> you gets a copy/email. I think. > > I don't know why you think that. > > It did not work like that in the past, and other > mailing lists to which I subscribe do not do that. This time my message came back to me in 41 seconds. -- Keith

March 14, 2023

printers and wlug mail list behavior

by Keith Wright

John Stoffel via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > So Keith, > Now we're waiting for *you* to reply that you got emails back from the > list on printer suggestions. :-) > > John Sorry, I got busy with stayin' alive. > I really like Brother printers, especially the laser ones. Thanks for the good advice. > I just saw (and answered!) your previous email. > Let me know if you still have questions. Now my questions are about the wlug.org mail server. Where is it? Is somebody in wlug paying for it? Who owns it? Who has privilege to tweak it? Who installs the OS? > From: Doug Mildram via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> > > Our list server has that quirk, such that when you > post a new item OR reply, everyone on the list except > you gets a copy/email. I think. I don't know why you think that. It did not work like that in the past, and other mailing lists to which I subscribe do not do that. > Also.... you can check the "archive". I never did that before. I have copies (at least I think I do) of all old mails on my own computers. But I did it yesterday and... The wlug.mailman3.com archive shows my post as Keith Wright 10 Mar 3:54 a.m. My own mail server log says: Mar 9 22:55:33 fcs19 postfix/smtp[19217]: A95CA218375: to=<wlug(a)lists.wlug.org>, relay=wlug.mailman3.com[144.76.103.132], delay=37, status=sent (250 2.0.0 Ok: queued as C75301747122) So a system of cables and computers running with GHz clocks took about 5hrs to archive a few hundred bytes. (Assuming the archive is in Eastern Standard Time.) I don't know exactly how long it took to deliver it to you, but this is in the headers of the message I finally got back: Received: from [172.22.0.5] (wlugmailman3com_mailman-core_1.wlugmailman3com_default [172.22.0.5]) by host.mailman3.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8EBB21747165; Sat, 11 Mar 2023 09:59:38 +0000 (UTC) The day after it hit the archive. > Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2023 21:26:35 +0200 > To: "Worcester Linux Users' Group General Discussion" <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> > Subject: [WLUG] Re: (list behavior) > From: Danil Smirnov via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> > > See https://wiki.list.org/x/4030680 > > Sincerely, > Danil Smirnov That links to a bug/feature report on gmail.com. I don't use gmail, does wlug? > From: Doug Mildram <dmildram(a)gmail.com> > Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2023 14:26:23 -0500 > Subject: Printer/laser > > Toner cartridge is cheap enough. > What model hp has discontinued them? > With all the 3rd party toner providers, > I'd be shocked to learn you're right. It's a LaserJet 5MP. Feel free to tell me where I can get a new toner cartridge. I recently bought one from a re-seller, but it turned out to be about a decade past its expiration date and worse than the old one I had. -- Keith

March 14, 2023

Re: Next Meeting

by John Stoffel

So Keith, Now we're waiting for *you* to reply that you got emails back from the list on printer suggestions. :-) John

March 13, 2023

Re: (list behavior)

by Danil Smirnov

Hi Doug, See https://wiki.list.org/x/4030680 Sincerely, Danil Smirnov On Sat, Mar 11, 2023 at 9:20 PM Doug Mildram via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > Our list server has that quirk, such that > when you post a new item OR reply, > everyone on the list except you > gets a copy/email. I think. > > Probably? the code/coder decided > that you'll know what you sent, and > that you have faith in the list server. > Also.... you can check the "archive". > > Correct me if I'm wrong, anyone! > You did say: usually you get your own > copy/email usually, so it seems a debate. > > I wouldn't know if tweaking the config > to be more giving is an option. > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/QFH7L… >

March 11, 2023

Re: (list behavior)

by Doug Mildram

Our list server has that quirk, such that when you post a new item OR reply, everyone on the list except you gets a copy/email. I think. Probably? the code/coder decided that you'll know what you sent, and that you have faith in the list server. Also.... you can check the "archive". Correct me if I'm wrong, anyone! You did say: usually you get your own copy/email usually, so it seems a debate. I wouldn't know if tweaking the config to be more giving is an option.

March 11, 2023