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Re: Dec meeting.. not the 14th! 21st or 28th?

by Althea Shaheen

What I do is have the wireguard clients be on a different subnet than my other hosts, all behind the firewall. Then, in pfsense I made wireguard an interface like any other, and that allows me to make firewall policies, such as letting wireguard clients only to my DNS servers on port 53, or my web servers on 443. Also, since each wireguard client has a static IP reserved, I can make my phone access more than my cloud server, since I trust the security of my phone a tad more (but only a tad). For routing, I have the config for the clients either as 0.0.0.0/0 to send all traffic over the tunnel, or my private networks only for the split tunnel, and let the firewall policy handle it from there. So, you could certainly make it so that your VPS connects to your wireguard endpoint, and then send your backup traffic to it's client IP if you are going outbound to the VPS, and block the VPS from your internal network, or vice versa just open up the port you need to the host you need from the VPS to internal. Hope this helps On Thu, Dec 14, 2023, at 12:42, John Stoffel wrote: >>>>>> "Althea" == Althea Shaheen via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > >> I run it on my pfSense firewall, but pivpn is also a great option if >> you'd rather port forward to a different device. > > Do you have it so that if you have multiple internal devices behind > your firewall, your external client can reach all those devices? > > I'ev been playing, but I'm sure I'm mssing something. For example: > > Internal network: 192.168.1.0/24 > host A 192.168.1.10/32 > host B 192.168.1.20/32 > > Firewall: 192.168.1.254 > WG: 192.168.200.0/24 > > Client: 200.150.100.50 (made up) > > > Ideally I'd like my client to be able to access host A or B from the > road using the WG tunnel. Would I need to assign WG addresses to > these hosts? Or would I just rounte 192.168.1.0/24 via wg0 on the > client? > > That's the trouble I'm having. > > I also want to setup a Wireguard tunnel between home and my VPS in the > cloud to make backups easier and simple. I could just do an SSH > tunnel, but I'd prefer not since it's a pain for this one application > to setup. > > So my VPS has both it's public IP, and then I have a WireGuard IP and > route setup so that I can reach into the home network. And possibly > also allow connections to the VPS from other clients as well. Very > mesh like. > > John > > > > >> On Wed, Dec 13, 2023, at 16:30, John Stoffel wrote: >>>>>>>> "Althea" == Althea Shaheen via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: >>> >>> I've been busy, so I'm coming back to this late... >>> >>>> I use a wireguard VPN on my phone anytime I leave my house, mainly >>>> for ad blocking. I run pi-hole at home to block ads network wide, >>>> and when I leave wifi, my phone automatically joins the VPN at home >>>> and uses the same pi-hole servers for DNS. Internet traffic is still >>>> directly through my carrier (so split tunnel) but my DNS is hidden >>>> from them and ad free! >>> >>> Do you run wireguard on your firewall or do you pass it inside into a >>> base host? >>> >>>> -thea >>> >>>> On Sat, Dec 9, 2023, at 03:54, Jon "maddog" Hall via WLUG wrote: >>> >>>>> However, they still rely on the trust in the ownership/VPN service country's laws and >>>> policies. >>>>> A VPN service is effectively a 'man in the middle'. >>>> This is why everyone should train their mother to offer a secure ISP/VPN service. >>>> "Mom's VPN: Do you trust your Mom?" >>>> md >>> >>>> On Fri, Dec 8, 2023 at 11:44 AM Kevin Stratton via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: >>> >>>> VPN services are a good tool for privacy. However, they they still rely >>>> on the trust in the ownership/VPN service country's laws and policies. >>>> A VPN service is effectively a 'man in the middle'. >>> >>>> On 12/8/2023 3:13 AM, Robert Schwein via WLUG wrote: >>>>> >>>>> You've pretty much hit the high points Chuck. From my own experience >>>>> when going overseas if I'm able to VPN to the country I'm going to, >>>>> the rental car reservation is considerably less in cost to reserve >>>>> that car than if I reserved it from state side. I'm assuming there is >>>>> a difference between a poor native and a rich American. >>>>> >>>>> Bob >>>>> >>>>> On 12/8/2023 12:56 AM, Chuck Anderson via WLUG wrote: >>>>>> On Thu, Dec 07, 2023 at 09:08:00PM -0500, Doug Mildram via WLUG wrote: >>>>>> So, maybe or maybe not, that's the kind of VPN I suspect they're selling, >>>>>> but I don't see the value for normal folks....or maybe anyone. (educate >>>>>> me!) >>>>>> Unless their hosted-server-world-route network security is a win. >>>>>> Thanks for listening, and my thursday's look better than usual this month, >>>>>> so hoping for WLUG virtually dec 14. -doug >>>>>> Yes. Those "modern" VPNs are used for many reasons. Here are a couple: >>>>>> >>>>>> - To appear to servers/services that you are physically located in a >>>>>> different geographical area. This can help you bypass >>>>>> geographically restricted content, such as watching sports programs >>>>>> that content owners don't want you to see based on where you live >>>>>> (local sports broadcast blackouts). Or trick hotels into giving you >>>>>> a better price--yes, hotels can hike the rates they present to you >>>>>> if they think you are nearby--assuming you need last-minute >>>>>> accomodations while you are away on vacation. >>>>>> >>>>>> - To hide your real IP address from servers and/or hide your browsing >>>>>> from intermediaries (your ISP for example) for privacy. This could >>>>>> be so you can avoid being tracked and having your browsing habits >>>>>> sold to advertisers (something your ISP can easily do--SSL does not >>>>>> hide DNS queries although that is changing with the availability of >>>>>> DNS-over-HTTPS and similar), to hide from authorities/copyright >>>>>> enforcers, or for life-and-death reasons (hide from unfriendly >>>>>> governments.) >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> WLUG mailing list --wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe send an email towlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >>>>>> Create Account:https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ >>>>>> Change Settings:https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ >>>>>> Web Forum/Archive: >>>> https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/ZC4W3… >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >>>>> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >>>>> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ >>>>> Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ >>>>> Web Forum/Archive: >>>> https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/TI4DE… >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >>>> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >>>> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ >>>> Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ >>>> Web Forum/Archive: >>>> https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/2OD7Q… >>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >>>> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >>>> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ >>>> Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ >>>> Web Forum/Archive: >>>> https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/E6KIC… >>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >>>> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >>>> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ >>>> Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ >>>> Web Forum/Archive: https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/532CN… >> _______________________________________________ >> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ >> Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ >> Web Forum/Archive: https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/NK7RY…

Dec. 15, 2023

Re: Dec meeting.. not the 14th! 21st or 28th?

by John Stoffel

>>>>> "Althea" == Althea Shaheen via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > I run it on my pfSense firewall, but pivpn is also a great option if > you'd rather port forward to a different device. Do you have it so that if you have multiple internal devices behind your firewall, your external client can reach all those devices? I'ev been playing, but I'm sure I'm mssing something. For example: Internal network: 192.168.1.0/24 host A 192.168.1.10/32 host B 192.168.1.20/32 Firewall: 192.168.1.254 WG: 192.168.200.0/24 Client: 200.150.100.50 (made up) Ideally I'd like my client to be able to access host A or B from the road using the WG tunnel. Would I need to assign WG addresses to these hosts? Or would I just rounte 192.168.1.0/24 via wg0 on the client? That's the trouble I'm having. I also want to setup a Wireguard tunnel between home and my VPS in the cloud to make backups easier and simple. I could just do an SSH tunnel, but I'd prefer not since it's a pain for this one application to setup. So my VPS has both it's public IP, and then I have a WireGuard IP and route setup so that I can reach into the home network. And possibly also allow connections to the VPS from other clients as well. Very mesh like. John > On Wed, Dec 13, 2023, at 16:30, John Stoffel wrote: >>>>>>> "Althea" == Althea Shaheen via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: >> >> I've been busy, so I'm coming back to this late... >> >>> I use a wireguard VPN on my phone anytime I leave my house, mainly >>> for ad blocking. I run pi-hole at home to block ads network wide, >>> and when I leave wifi, my phone automatically joins the VPN at home >>> and uses the same pi-hole servers for DNS. Internet traffic is still >>> directly through my carrier (so split tunnel) but my DNS is hidden >>> from them and ad free! >> >> Do you run wireguard on your firewall or do you pass it inside into a >> base host? >> >>> -thea >> >>> On Sat, Dec 9, 2023, at 03:54, Jon "maddog" Hall via WLUG wrote: >> >>>> However, they still rely on the trust in the ownership/VPN service country's laws and >>> policies. >>>> A VPN service is effectively a 'man in the middle'. >>> This is why everyone should train their mother to offer a secure ISP/VPN service. >>> "Mom's VPN: Do you trust your Mom?" >>> md >> >>> On Fri, Dec 8, 2023 at 11:44 AM Kevin Stratton via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: >> >>> VPN services are a good tool for privacy. However, they they still rely >>> on the trust in the ownership/VPN service country's laws and policies. >>> A VPN service is effectively a 'man in the middle'. >> >>> On 12/8/2023 3:13 AM, Robert Schwein via WLUG wrote: >>>> >>>> You've pretty much hit the high points Chuck. From my own experience >>>> when going overseas if I'm able to VPN to the country I'm going to, >>>> the rental car reservation is considerably less in cost to reserve >>>> that car than if I reserved it from state side. I'm assuming there is >>>> a difference between a poor native and a rich American. >>>> >>>> Bob >>>> >>>> On 12/8/2023 12:56 AM, Chuck Anderson via WLUG wrote: >>>>> On Thu, Dec 07, 2023 at 09:08:00PM -0500, Doug Mildram via WLUG wrote: >>>>> So, maybe or maybe not, that's the kind of VPN I suspect they're selling, >>>>> but I don't see the value for normal folks....or maybe anyone. (educate >>>>> me!) >>>>> Unless their hosted-server-world-route network security is a win. >>>>> Thanks for listening, and my thursday's look better than usual this month, >>>>> so hoping for WLUG virtually dec 14. -doug >>>>> Yes. Those "modern" VPNs are used for many reasons. Here are a couple: >>>>> >>>>> - To appear to servers/services that you are physically located in a >>>>> different geographical area. This can help you bypass >>>>> geographically restricted content, such as watching sports programs >>>>> that content owners don't want you to see based on where you live >>>>> (local sports broadcast blackouts). Or trick hotels into giving you >>>>> a better price--yes, hotels can hike the rates they present to you >>>>> if they think you are nearby--assuming you need last-minute >>>>> accomodations while you are away on vacation. >>>>> >>>>> - To hide your real IP address from servers and/or hide your browsing >>>>> from intermediaries (your ISP for example) for privacy. This could >>>>> be so you can avoid being tracked and having your browsing habits >>>>> sold to advertisers (something your ISP can easily do--SSL does not >>>>> hide DNS queries although that is changing with the availability of >>>>> DNS-over-HTTPS and similar), to hide from authorities/copyright >>>>> enforcers, or for life-and-death reasons (hide from unfriendly >>>>> governments.) >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> WLUG mailing list --wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >>>>> To unsubscribe send an email towlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >>>>> Create Account:https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ >>>>> Change Settings:https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ >>>>> Web Forum/Archive: >>> https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/ZC4W3… >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >>>> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >>>> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ >>>> Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ >>>> Web Forum/Archive: >>> https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/TI4DE… >>> _______________________________________________ >>> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >>> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >>> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ >>> Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ >>> Web Forum/Archive: >>> https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/2OD7Q… >> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >>> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >>> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ >>> Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ >>> Web Forum/Archive: >>> https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/E6KIC… >> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >>> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >>> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ >>> Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ >>> Web Forum/Archive: https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/532CN… > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/NK7RY…

Dec. 14, 2023

Re: Dec meeting.. not the 14th! 21st or 28th?

by Althea Shaheen

I run it on my pfSense firewall, but pivpn is also a great option if you'd rather port forward to a different device. On Wed, Dec 13, 2023, at 16:30, John Stoffel wrote: >>>>>> "Althea" == Althea Shaheen via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > > I've been busy, so I'm coming back to this late... > >> I use a wireguard VPN on my phone anytime I leave my house, mainly >> for ad blocking. I run pi-hole at home to block ads network wide, >> and when I leave wifi, my phone automatically joins the VPN at home >> and uses the same pi-hole servers for DNS. Internet traffic is still >> directly through my carrier (so split tunnel) but my DNS is hidden >> from them and ad free! > > Do you run wireguard on your firewall or do you pass it inside into a > base host? > >> -thea > >> On Sat, Dec 9, 2023, at 03:54, Jon "maddog" Hall via WLUG wrote: > >>> However, they still rely on the trust in the ownership/VPN service country's laws and >> policies. >>> A VPN service is effectively a 'man in the middle'. >> This is why everyone should train their mother to offer a secure ISP/VPN service. >> "Mom's VPN: Do you trust your Mom?" >> md > >> On Fri, Dec 8, 2023 at 11:44 AM Kevin Stratton via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > >> VPN services are a good tool for privacy. However, they they still rely >> on the trust in the ownership/VPN service country's laws and policies. >> A VPN service is effectively a 'man in the middle'. > >> On 12/8/2023 3:13 AM, Robert Schwein via WLUG wrote: >>> >>> You've pretty much hit the high points Chuck. From my own experience >>> when going overseas if I'm able to VPN to the country I'm going to, >>> the rental car reservation is considerably less in cost to reserve >>> that car than if I reserved it from state side. I'm assuming there is >>> a difference between a poor native and a rich American. >>> >>> Bob >>> >>> On 12/8/2023 12:56 AM, Chuck Anderson via WLUG wrote: >>>> On Thu, Dec 07, 2023 at 09:08:00PM -0500, Doug Mildram via WLUG wrote: >>>>> So, maybe or maybe not, that's the kind of VPN I suspect they're selling, >>>>> but I don't see the value for normal folks....or maybe anyone. (educate >>>>> me!) >>>>> Unless their hosted-server-world-route network security is a win. >>>>> Thanks for listening, and my thursday's look better than usual this month, >>>>> so hoping for WLUG virtually dec 14. -doug >>>> Yes. Those "modern" VPNs are used for many reasons. Here are a couple: >>>> >>>> - To appear to servers/services that you are physically located in a >>>> different geographical area. This can help you bypass >>>> geographically restricted content, such as watching sports programs >>>> that content owners don't want you to see based on where you live >>>> (local sports broadcast blackouts). Or trick hotels into giving you >>>> a better price--yes, hotels can hike the rates they present to you >>>> if they think you are nearby--assuming you need last-minute >>>> accomodations while you are away on vacation. >>>> >>>> - To hide your real IP address from servers and/or hide your browsing >>>> from intermediaries (your ISP for example) for privacy. This could >>>> be so you can avoid being tracked and having your browsing habits >>>> sold to advertisers (something your ISP can easily do--SSL does not >>>> hide DNS queries although that is changing with the availability of >>>> DNS-over-HTTPS and similar), to hide from authorities/copyright >>>> enforcers, or for life-and-death reasons (hide from unfriendly >>>> governments.) >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> WLUG mailing list --wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >>>> To unsubscribe send an email towlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >>>> Create Account:https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ >>>> Change Settings:https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ >>>> Web Forum/Archive: >> https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/ZC4W3… >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >>> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >>> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ >>> Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ >>> Web Forum/Archive: >> https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/TI4DE… >> _______________________________________________ >> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ >> Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ >> Web Forum/Archive: >> https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/2OD7Q… > >> _______________________________________________ >> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ >> Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ >> Web Forum/Archive: >> https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/E6KIC… > >> _______________________________________________ >> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ >> Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ >> Web Forum/Archive: https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/532CN…

Dec. 13, 2023

Re: Dec meeting.. not the 14th! 21st or 28th?

by John Stoffel

>>>>> "Althea" == Althea Shaheen via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: I've been busy, so I'm coming back to this late... > I use a wireguard VPN on my phone anytime I leave my house, mainly > for ad blocking. I run pi-hole at home to block ads network wide, > and when I leave wifi, my phone automatically joins the VPN at home > and uses the same pi-hole servers for DNS. Internet traffic is still > directly through my carrier (so split tunnel) but my DNS is hidden > from them and ad free! Do you run wireguard on your firewall or do you pass it inside into a base host? > -thea > On Sat, Dec 9, 2023, at 03:54, Jon "maddog" Hall via WLUG wrote: >> However, they still rely on the trust in the ownership/VPN service country's laws and > policies. >> A VPN service is effectively a 'man in the middle'. > This is why everyone should train their mother to offer a secure ISP/VPN service. > "Mom's VPN: Do you trust your Mom?" > md > On Fri, Dec 8, 2023 at 11:44 AM Kevin Stratton via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > VPN services are a good tool for privacy. However, they they still rely > on the trust in the ownership/VPN service country's laws and policies. > A VPN service is effectively a 'man in the middle'. > On 12/8/2023 3:13 AM, Robert Schwein via WLUG wrote: >> >> You've pretty much hit the high points Chuck. From my own experience >> when going overseas if I'm able to VPN to the country I'm going to, >> the rental car reservation is considerably less in cost to reserve >> that car than if I reserved it from state side. I'm assuming there is >> a difference between a poor native and a rich American. >> >> Bob >> >> On 12/8/2023 12:56 AM, Chuck Anderson via WLUG wrote: >>> On Thu, Dec 07, 2023 at 09:08:00PM -0500, Doug Mildram via WLUG wrote: >>>> So, maybe or maybe not, that's the kind of VPN I suspect they're selling, >>>> but I don't see the value for normal folks....or maybe anyone. (educate >>>> me!) >>>> Unless their hosted-server-world-route network security is a win. >>>> Thanks for listening, and my thursday's look better than usual this month, >>>> so hoping for WLUG virtually dec 14. -doug >>> Yes. Those "modern" VPNs are used for many reasons. Here are a couple: >>> >>> - To appear to servers/services that you are physically located in a >>> different geographical area. This can help you bypass >>> geographically restricted content, such as watching sports programs >>> that content owners don't want you to see based on where you live >>> (local sports broadcast blackouts). Or trick hotels into giving you >>> a better price--yes, hotels can hike the rates they present to you >>> if they think you are nearby--assuming you need last-minute >>> accomodations while you are away on vacation. >>> >>> - To hide your real IP address from servers and/or hide your browsing >>> from intermediaries (your ISP for example) for privacy. This could >>> be so you can avoid being tracked and having your browsing habits >>> sold to advertisers (something your ISP can easily do--SSL does not >>> hide DNS queries although that is changing with the availability of >>> DNS-over-HTTPS and similar), to hide from authorities/copyright >>> enforcers, or for life-and-death reasons (hide from unfriendly >>> governments.) >>> _______________________________________________ >>> WLUG mailing list --wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >>> To unsubscribe send an email towlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >>> Create Account:https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ >>> Change Settings:https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ >>> Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/ZC4W3… >> >> _______________________________________________ >> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ >> Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ >> Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/TI4DE… > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/2OD7Q… > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/E6KIC… > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/532CN…

Dec. 13, 2023

Re: Dec meeting.. not the 14th! 21st or 28th?

by Althea Shaheen

I use a wireguard VPN on my phone anytime I leave my house, mainly for ad blocking. I run pi-hole at home to block ads network wide, and when I leave wifi, my phone automatically joins the VPN at home and uses the same pi-hole servers for DNS. Internet traffic is still directly through my carrier (so split tunnel) but my DNS is hidden from them and ad free! -thea On Sat, Dec 9, 2023, at 03:54, Jon "maddog" Hall via WLUG wrote: > >However, they still rely on the trust in the ownership/VPN service country's laws and policies. > >A VPN service is effectively a 'man in the middle'. > This is why everyone should train their mother to offer a secure ISP/VPN service. > "Mom's VPN: Do you trust your Mom?" > md > > On Fri, Dec 8, 2023 at 11:44 AM Kevin Stratton via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: >> VPN services are a good tool for privacy. However, they they still rely >> on the trust in the ownership/VPN service country's laws and policies. >> A VPN service is effectively a 'man in the middle'. >> >> >> On 12/8/2023 3:13 AM, Robert Schwein via WLUG wrote: >> > >> > You've pretty much hit the high points Chuck. From my own experience >> > when going overseas if I'm able to VPN to the country I'm going to, >> > the rental car reservation is considerably less in cost to reserve >> > that car than if I reserved it from state side. I'm assuming there is >> > a difference between a poor native and a rich American. >> > >> > Bob >> > >> > On 12/8/2023 12:56 AM, Chuck Anderson via WLUG wrote: >> >> On Thu, Dec 07, 2023 at 09:08:00PM -0500, Doug Mildram via WLUG wrote: >> >>> So, maybe or maybe not, that's the kind of VPN I suspect they're selling, >> >>> but I don't see the value for normal folks....or maybe anyone. (educate >> >>> me!) >> >>> Unless their hosted-server-world-route network security is a win. >> >>> Thanks for listening, and my thursday's look better than usual this month, >> >>> so hoping for WLUG virtually dec 14. -doug >> >> Yes. Those "modern" VPNs are used for many reasons. Here are a couple: >> >> >> >> - To appear to servers/services that you are physically located in a >> >> different geographical area. This can help you bypass >> >> geographically restricted content, such as watching sports programs >> >> that content owners don't want you to see based on where you live >> >> (local sports broadcast blackouts). Or trick hotels into giving you >> >> a better price--yes, hotels can hike the rates they present to you >> >> if they think you are nearby--assuming you need last-minute >> >> accomodations while you are away on vacation. >> >> >> >> - To hide your real IP address from servers and/or hide your browsing >> >> from intermediaries (your ISP for example) for privacy. This could >> >> be so you can avoid being tracked and having your browsing habits >> >> sold to advertisers (something your ISP can easily do--SSL does not >> >> hide DNS queries although that is changing with the availability of >> >> DNS-over-HTTPS and similar), to hide from authorities/copyright >> >> enforcers, or for life-and-death reasons (hide from unfriendly >> >> governments.) >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> WLUG mailing list --wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >> >> To unsubscribe send an email towlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >> >> Create Account:https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ >> >> Change Settings:https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ >> >> Web Forum/Archive:https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org… >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >> > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >> > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ >> > Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ >> > Web Forum/Archive: https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/TI4DE… >> _______________________________________________ >> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ >> Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ >> Web Forum/Archive: https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/2OD7Q… > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/E6KIC… >

Dec. 8, 2023

Re: Dec meeting.. not the 14th! 21st or 28th?

by Jon "maddog" Hall

>However, they still rely on the trust in the ownership/VPN service country's laws and policies. >A VPN service is effectively a 'man in the middle'. This is why everyone should train their mother to offer a secure ISP/VPN service. "Mom's VPN: Do you trust your Mom?" md On Fri, Dec 8, 2023 at 11:44 AM Kevin Stratton via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > VPN services are a good tool for privacy. However, they they still rely > on the trust in the ownership/VPN service country's laws and policies. > A VPN service is effectively a 'man in the middle'. > > > On 12/8/2023 3:13 AM, Robert Schwein via WLUG wrote: > > > > You've pretty much hit the high points Chuck. From my own experience > > when going overseas if I'm able to VPN to the country I'm going to, > > the rental car reservation is considerably less in cost to reserve > > that car than if I reserved it from state side. I'm assuming there is > > a difference between a poor native and a rich American. > > > > Bob > > > > On 12/8/2023 12:56 AM, Chuck Anderson via WLUG wrote: > >> On Thu, Dec 07, 2023 at 09:08:00PM -0500, Doug Mildram via WLUG wrote: > >>> So, maybe or maybe not, that's the kind of VPN I suspect they're > selling, > >>> but I don't see the value for normal folks....or maybe anyone. (educate > >>> me!) > >>> Unless their hosted-server-world-route network security is a win. > >>> Thanks for listening, and my thursday's look better than usual this > month, > >>> so hoping for WLUG virtually dec 14. -doug > >> Yes. Those "modern" VPNs are used for many reasons. Here are a couple: > >> > >> - To appear to servers/services that you are physically located in a > >> different geographical area. This can help you bypass > >> geographically restricted content, such as watching sports programs > >> that content owners don't want you to see based on where you live > >> (local sports broadcast blackouts). Or trick hotels into giving you > >> a better price--yes, hotels can hike the rates they present to you > >> if they think you are nearby--assuming you need last-minute > >> accomodations while you are away on vacation. > >> > >> - To hide your real IP address from servers and/or hide your browsing > >> from intermediaries (your ISP for example) for privacy. This could > >> be so you can avoid being tracked and having your browsing habits > >> sold to advertisers (something your ISP can easily do--SSL does not > >> hide DNS queries although that is changing with the availability of > >> DNS-over-HTTPS and similar), to hide from authorities/copyright > >> enforcers, or for life-and-death reasons (hide from unfriendly > >> governments.) > >> _______________________________________________ > >> WLUG mailing list --wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > >> To unsubscribe send an email towlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > >> Create Account:https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > >> Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > >> Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/ZC4W3… > > > > _______________________________________________ > > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/TI4DE… > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/2OD7Q… >

Dec. 8, 2023

Re: Dec meeting.. not the 14th! 21st or 28th?

by Kevin Stratton

VPN services are a good tool for privacy. However, they they still rely on the trust in the ownership/VPN service country's laws and policies. A VPN service is effectively a 'man in the middle'. On 12/8/2023 3:13 AM, Robert Schwein via WLUG wrote: > > You've pretty much hit the high points Chuck. From my own experience > when going overseas if I'm able to VPN to the country I'm going to, > the rental car reservation is considerably less in cost to reserve > that car than if I reserved it from state side. I'm assuming there is > a difference between a poor native and a rich American. > > Bob > > On 12/8/2023 12:56 AM, Chuck Anderson via WLUG wrote: >> On Thu, Dec 07, 2023 at 09:08:00PM -0500, Doug Mildram via WLUG wrote: >>> So, maybe or maybe not, that's the kind of VPN I suspect they're selling, >>> but I don't see the value for normal folks....or maybe anyone. (educate >>> me!) >>> Unless their hosted-server-world-route network security is a win. >>> Thanks for listening, and my thursday's look better than usual this month, >>> so hoping for WLUG virtually dec 14. -doug >> Yes. Those "modern" VPNs are used for many reasons. Here are a couple: >> >> - To appear to servers/services that you are physically located in a >> different geographical area. This can help you bypass >> geographically restricted content, such as watching sports programs >> that content owners don't want you to see based on where you live >> (local sports broadcast blackouts). Or trick hotels into giving you >> a better price--yes, hotels can hike the rates they present to you >> if they think you are nearby--assuming you need last-minute >> accomodations while you are away on vacation. >> >> - To hide your real IP address from servers and/or hide your browsing >> from intermediaries (your ISP for example) for privacy. This could >> be so you can avoid being tracked and having your browsing habits >> sold to advertisers (something your ISP can easily do--SSL does not >> hide DNS queries although that is changing with the availability of >> DNS-over-HTTPS and similar), to hide from authorities/copyright >> enforcers, or for life-and-death reasons (hide from unfriendly >> governments.) >> _______________________________________________ >> WLUG mailing list --wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >> To unsubscribe send an email towlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >> Create Account:https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ >> Change Settings:https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ >> Web Forum/Archive:https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org… > > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/TI4DE…

Dec. 8, 2023

Re: Dec meeting.. not the 14th! 21st or 28th?

by Cara Salter

On 12/7/23 21:08, Doug Mildram via WLUG wrote: > cara> I'd also be interested in how people are self-hosting their VPNs > (and john stoffel's view may be similar, I can't say, but hi anyways!) > > me/doug> I'm struggling with what's the benefit/motivation? For me, it lets me access my home network when I'm away from my apartment. > My take which started long ago: > 20-30 yrs ago as a sysadmin supporting remote access/workers, > my (very not-genius-level) brain learned that a VPN... > a box/product I'd install on "my"/work network, > handing out INside-access to outside-workers for a session.... > adds (pops up during session) a virtual interface > on home-computer network stack, so > while in a VPN session the home worker can magically > "have an ipaddr on the inside of workplace network" > thus allowed into not-public work servers (or drive their work desktop) > BUT! on server setup, I+bosses must decide if yes/no allowing split-tunnel > (policy set on VPN server which the VPN clients suffer with usually? if > "no split") > If yes/split-tunnel allowed, client gets a 2nd! default gateway = route > to 0.0.0.0 > giving best home-computer network performance (mixing work and play > works well) My split-tunnel VPN doesn't set a default gateway, just a route to 10.x.x.x/x. I'm thinking of shenanigans to let my roommates VPN into the normal resident network and letting myself VPN into the management network via jump box, but that's not implemented yet. Shenanigans with Packetfence are planned for the break... > BUT smart?/paranoid-workplace setups choose NO split tunnel, and > force home-user's (ISP-given) default route to either disappear? > or become unused via route metric/preference adjustment? so that, either way > "don't let the home worker's unsafe world anywhere to tunnel near/into > work network". I'm neither smart nor paranoid :p so I use split-tunnel. > So (now retired) I see endless TV ads for VPN's > preaching the benefits of their secure VPN, and I don't get it, .... > assume buyers/sheep are fooled. Real value = ? I may be blind, > but lacking a VPN, my outside/web traffic is still https / encrypted, > are they selling some enhanced default-gw world > featuring bad-guys-blocked-from-hacking-you? I trust my home router, > though I'm open minded to how "wide open" that might be, relative to > some ideal. Most commercial VPNs I've found have low quality. The one that I use when I want the benefits (different geolocation results, etc) is Mullvad, for a variety of reasons. Interested in other people's thoughts! -- cara

Dec. 8, 2023

Re: Dec meeting.. not the 14th! 21st or 28th?

by Jon "maddog" Hall

I travel internationally a LOT, and having a VPN host in the USA means I can access websites the same way I can from home for all of the reasons that Chuck mentioned. Recently this has been extended not only to movies, TV shows, etc. that are blocked in foreign countries because the USA advertisers can not get their pound of flesh from foreign viewers, but also because foreign governments may not allow access to those websites for various reasons. Also various financial and medical websites may not allow access from outside the USA even though I have an account on those systems and legitimate reasons for access. Using the VPN all the time means that the sites work the same no matter where my laptop or desktop is located. md md On Fri, Dec 8, 2023 at 9:54 AM Chuck Anderson via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > On Fri, Dec 08, 2023 at 03:13:49AM -0500, Robert Schwein via WLUG wrote: > > On 12/8/2023 12:56 AM, Chuck Anderson via WLUG wrote: > > > (local sports broadcast blackouts). Or trick hotels into giving you > > > a better price--yes, hotels can hike the rates they present to you > > > if they think you are nearby--assuming you need last-minute > > > accomodations while you are away on vacation. > > > You've pretty much hit the high points Chuck. From my own experience > > when going overseas if I'm able to VPN to the country I'm going to, the > > rental car reservation is considerably less in cost to reserve that car > > than if I reserved it from state side. I'm assuming there is a > > difference between a poor native and a rich American. > > Oh right, I had the hotel thing backwards. It may be cheaper if you > appear to be in-country for hotels, rental cars, etc. > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/C6YTP… >

Dec. 8, 2023

Re: Dec meeting.. not the 14th! 21st or 28th?

by Chuck Anderson

On Fri, Dec 08, 2023 at 03:13:49AM -0500, Robert Schwein via WLUG wrote: > On 12/8/2023 12:56 AM, Chuck Anderson via WLUG wrote: > > (local sports broadcast blackouts). Or trick hotels into giving you > > a better price--yes, hotels can hike the rates they present to you > > if they think you are nearby--assuming you need last-minute > > accomodations while you are away on vacation. > You've pretty much hit the high points Chuck. From my own experience > when going overseas if I'm able to VPN to the country I'm going to, the > rental car reservation is considerably less in cost to reserve that car > than if I reserved it from state side. I'm assuming there is a > difference between a poor native and a rich American. Oh right, I had the hotel thing backwards. It may be cheaper if you appear to be in-country for hotels, rental cars, etc.

Dec. 8, 2023