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Re: [EXT] Framework Laptops

by Jason Couture

It's been so long, where and when is the meeting again? I don't think I ever attended when I joined in 2012 or so. On Mon, Jan 16, 2023, 10:48 AM Tim Keller via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > We have a meeting coming up on the 26th, this sounds like a great starter > topic! > > Cara, would you be interested in coming to the meeting and doing a demo? > > Thanks, > Tim. > > On Fri, Jan 13, 2023 at 3:14 PM Jason Couture via WLUG < > wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > >> The other cool thing though: >> You can 3d print a case for the old board if you upgrade. I plan on >> making a dock for them that will fit in 2-3u with a usb-backplane with a >> 10gbe switch, and 2x usb-c 10gbe + Power delivery. You'd be able to pack >> them super dense. Great for a proxmox or harvester cluster. >> >> On Fri, Jan 13, 2023, 3:12 PM Jason Couture <plaguethenet(a)gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> I've had no issues with mine on fedora. For what it's worth. >>> >>> Highly recommend framework. Although I did get the runaround with >>> support about a usb4 dock. Kept getting me to try windows, despite the fact >>> I had. >>> >>> But we have 3, they're rock solid. >>> >>> On Fri, Jan 13, 2023, 12:22 PM John Stoffel via WLUG < >>> wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: >>> >>>> >>>>> "Cara" == Cara Salter via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: >>>> >>>> > On Tue, Jan 10, 2023 at 09:52:40PM -0500, Keith Wright via WLUG >>>> wrote: >>>> >> Is that 42 days from deciding to order one until happily browsing >>>> >> the web with newly installed Debian, Xfce, Firefox? Or 42 days >>>> >> from starting to fill out the order form until finally getting >>>> >> the last required field filled in? Or what? >>>> >>>> > Hi! I'm the workstudy in question. According to the emails I >>>> > received for moving through each step in the process, it took 42 >>>> > days from me submitting my deposit and me receiving a physical >>>> > laptop that I could start using. >>>> >>>> Would you be willing to come to a WLUG meeting and show off your new >>>> toy to the rest of us? I do like the idea of that laptop, but I'd >>>> like to get my hands on it to see how the feel of it really is. >>>> >>>> > For context, I ordered the "DIY edition" which didn't come with the >>>> RAM or >>>> > storage. I ordered both on Amazon and they arrived a bit before the >>>> laptop. >>>> >>>> > I'm currently writing this from my Gentoo install on it! The only >>>> > two issues I ran into was that the wifi card (Intel AX210) firmware >>>> > wasn't in the "stable" kernel, so I had to keyword my system to >>>> > ~amd64. The other issue I ran into was that kernel 5.19.12 had a bad >>>> > display driver that caused flickering >>>> > ( >>>> https://community.frame.work/t/psa-dont-upgrade-to-linux-kernel-5-19-12/231… >>>> ) >>>> >>>> Did you fix the flickering with a newer kernel version? Its been >>>> years since I ran Gentoo (got tired of all the recompiles, but this >>>> was 10+ years ago for sure....) and I thought it was pretty damn >>>> bleeding edge in terms of kernels. >>>> >>>> I'm currently running kernel 6.0.8 on my main Debian Buster home >>>> NFS/KVM/etc server and it works great, but it is headless. >>>> >>>> John >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >>>> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >>>> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ >>>> Change Settings: >>>> https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ >>>> Web Forum/Archive: >>>> https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/3RZJO… >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ >> Change Settings: >> https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ >> Web Forum/Archive: >> https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/KZV2E… >> > > > -- > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their > constituents as "consumers". > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/6AN6H… >

Jan. 16, 2023

Re: [EXT] Framework Laptops

by Tim Keller

We have a meeting coming up on the 26th, this sounds like a great starter topic! Cara, would you be interested in coming to the meeting and doing a demo? Thanks, Tim. On Fri, Jan 13, 2023 at 3:14 PM Jason Couture via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > The other cool thing though: > You can 3d print a case for the old board if you upgrade. I plan on making > a dock for them that will fit in 2-3u with a usb-backplane with a 10gbe > switch, and 2x usb-c 10gbe + Power delivery. You'd be able to pack them > super dense. Great for a proxmox or harvester cluster. > > On Fri, Jan 13, 2023, 3:12 PM Jason Couture <plaguethenet(a)gmail.com> > wrote: > >> I've had no issues with mine on fedora. For what it's worth. >> >> Highly recommend framework. Although I did get the runaround with support >> about a usb4 dock. Kept getting me to try windows, despite the fact I had. >> >> But we have 3, they're rock solid. >> >> On Fri, Jan 13, 2023, 12:22 PM John Stoffel via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> >> wrote: >> >>> >>>>> "Cara" == Cara Salter via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: >>> >>> > On Tue, Jan 10, 2023 at 09:52:40PM -0500, Keith Wright via WLUG wrote: >>> >> Is that 42 days from deciding to order one until happily browsing >>> >> the web with newly installed Debian, Xfce, Firefox? Or 42 days >>> >> from starting to fill out the order form until finally getting >>> >> the last required field filled in? Or what? >>> >>> > Hi! I'm the workstudy in question. According to the emails I >>> > received for moving through each step in the process, it took 42 >>> > days from me submitting my deposit and me receiving a physical >>> > laptop that I could start using. >>> >>> Would you be willing to come to a WLUG meeting and show off your new >>> toy to the rest of us? I do like the idea of that laptop, but I'd >>> like to get my hands on it to see how the feel of it really is. >>> >>> > For context, I ordered the "DIY edition" which didn't come with the >>> RAM or >>> > storage. I ordered both on Amazon and they arrived a bit before the >>> laptop. >>> >>> > I'm currently writing this from my Gentoo install on it! The only >>> > two issues I ran into was that the wifi card (Intel AX210) firmware >>> > wasn't in the "stable" kernel, so I had to keyword my system to >>> > ~amd64. The other issue I ran into was that kernel 5.19.12 had a bad >>> > display driver that caused flickering >>> > ( >>> https://community.frame.work/t/psa-dont-upgrade-to-linux-kernel-5-19-12/231… >>> ) >>> >>> Did you fix the flickering with a newer kernel version? Its been >>> years since I ran Gentoo (got tired of all the recompiles, but this >>> was 10+ years ago for sure....) and I thought it was pretty damn >>> bleeding edge in terms of kernels. >>> >>> I'm currently running kernel 6.0.8 on my main Debian Buster home >>> NFS/KVM/etc server and it works great, but it is headless. >>> >>> John >>> _______________________________________________ >>> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >>> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >>> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ >>> Change Settings: >>> https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ >>> Web Forum/Archive: >>> https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/3RZJO… >>> >> _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/KZV2E… > -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

Jan. 16, 2023

Re: [EXT] Framework Laptops

by Jason Couture

The other cool thing though: You can 3d print a case for the old board if you upgrade. I plan on making a dock for them that will fit in 2-3u with a usb-backplane with a 10gbe switch, and 2x usb-c 10gbe + Power delivery. You'd be able to pack them super dense. Great for a proxmox or harvester cluster. On Fri, Jan 13, 2023, 3:12 PM Jason Couture <plaguethenet(a)gmail.com> wrote: > I've had no issues with mine on fedora. For what it's worth. > > Highly recommend framework. Although I did get the runaround with support > about a usb4 dock. Kept getting me to try windows, despite the fact I had. > > But we have 3, they're rock solid. > > On Fri, Jan 13, 2023, 12:22 PM John Stoffel via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> > wrote: > >> >>>>> "Cara" == Cara Salter via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: >> >> > On Tue, Jan 10, 2023 at 09:52:40PM -0500, Keith Wright via WLUG wrote: >> >> Is that 42 days from deciding to order one until happily browsing >> >> the web with newly installed Debian, Xfce, Firefox? Or 42 days >> >> from starting to fill out the order form until finally getting >> >> the last required field filled in? Or what? >> >> > Hi! I'm the workstudy in question. According to the emails I >> > received for moving through each step in the process, it took 42 >> > days from me submitting my deposit and me receiving a physical >> > laptop that I could start using. >> >> Would you be willing to come to a WLUG meeting and show off your new >> toy to the rest of us? I do like the idea of that laptop, but I'd >> like to get my hands on it to see how the feel of it really is. >> >> > For context, I ordered the "DIY edition" which didn't come with the RAM >> or >> > storage. I ordered both on Amazon and they arrived a bit before the >> laptop. >> >> > I'm currently writing this from my Gentoo install on it! The only >> > two issues I ran into was that the wifi card (Intel AX210) firmware >> > wasn't in the "stable" kernel, so I had to keyword my system to >> > ~amd64. The other issue I ran into was that kernel 5.19.12 had a bad >> > display driver that caused flickering >> > ( >> https://community.frame.work/t/psa-dont-upgrade-to-linux-kernel-5-19-12/231… >> ) >> >> Did you fix the flickering with a newer kernel version? Its been >> years since I ran Gentoo (got tired of all the recompiles, but this >> was 10+ years ago for sure....) and I thought it was pretty damn >> bleeding edge in terms of kernels. >> >> I'm currently running kernel 6.0.8 on my main Debian Buster home >> NFS/KVM/etc server and it works great, but it is headless. >> >> John >> _______________________________________________ >> WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org >> To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org >> Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ >> Change Settings: >> https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ >> Web Forum/Archive: >> https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/3RZJO… >> >

Jan. 13, 2023

Re: [EXT] Framework Laptops

by Jason Couture

I've had no issues with mine on fedora. For what it's worth. Highly recommend framework. Although I did get the runaround with support about a usb4 dock. Kept getting me to try windows, despite the fact I had. But we have 3, they're rock solid. On Fri, Jan 13, 2023, 12:22 PM John Stoffel via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > >>>>> "Cara" == Cara Salter via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > > > On Tue, Jan 10, 2023 at 09:52:40PM -0500, Keith Wright via WLUG wrote: > >> Is that 42 days from deciding to order one until happily browsing > >> the web with newly installed Debian, Xfce, Firefox? Or 42 days > >> from starting to fill out the order form until finally getting > >> the last required field filled in? Or what? > > > Hi! I'm the workstudy in question. According to the emails I > > received for moving through each step in the process, it took 42 > > days from me submitting my deposit and me receiving a physical > > laptop that I could start using. > > Would you be willing to come to a WLUG meeting and show off your new > toy to the rest of us? I do like the idea of that laptop, but I'd > like to get my hands on it to see how the feel of it really is. > > > For context, I ordered the "DIY edition" which didn't come with the RAM > or > > storage. I ordered both on Amazon and they arrived a bit before the > laptop. > > > I'm currently writing this from my Gentoo install on it! The only > > two issues I ran into was that the wifi card (Intel AX210) firmware > > wasn't in the "stable" kernel, so I had to keyword my system to > > ~amd64. The other issue I ran into was that kernel 5.19.12 had a bad > > display driver that caused flickering > > ( > https://community.frame.work/t/psa-dont-upgrade-to-linux-kernel-5-19-12/231… > ) > > Did you fix the flickering with a newer kernel version? Its been > years since I ran Gentoo (got tired of all the recompiles, but this > was 10+ years ago for sure....) and I thought it was pretty damn > bleeding edge in terms of kernels. > > I'm currently running kernel 6.0.8 on my main Debian Buster home > NFS/KVM/etc server and it works great, but it is headless. > > John > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/3RZJO… >

Jan. 13, 2023

Re: [EXT] Framework Laptops

by John Stoffel

>>>>> "Cara" == Cara Salter via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > On Tue, Jan 10, 2023 at 09:52:40PM -0500, Keith Wright via WLUG wrote: >> Is that 42 days from deciding to order one until happily browsing >> the web with newly installed Debian, Xfce, Firefox? Or 42 days >> from starting to fill out the order form until finally getting >> the last required field filled in? Or what? > Hi! I'm the workstudy in question. According to the emails I > received for moving through each step in the process, it took 42 > days from me submitting my deposit and me receiving a physical > laptop that I could start using. Would you be willing to come to a WLUG meeting and show off your new toy to the rest of us? I do like the idea of that laptop, but I'd like to get my hands on it to see how the feel of it really is. > For context, I ordered the "DIY edition" which didn't come with the RAM or > storage. I ordered both on Amazon and they arrived a bit before the laptop. > I'm currently writing this from my Gentoo install on it! The only > two issues I ran into was that the wifi card (Intel AX210) firmware > wasn't in the "stable" kernel, so I had to keyword my system to > ~amd64. The other issue I ran into was that kernel 5.19.12 had a bad > display driver that caused flickering > (https://community.frame.work/t/psa-dont-upgrade-to-linux-kernel-5-19-12/231…) Did you fix the flickering with a newer kernel version? Its been years since I ran Gentoo (got tired of all the recompiles, but this was 10+ years ago for sure....) and I thought it was pretty damn bleeding edge in terms of kernels. I'm currently running kernel 6.0.8 on my main Debian Buster home NFS/KVM/etc server and it works great, but it is headless. John

Jan. 13, 2023

Re: [EXT] Framework Laptops

by Cara Salter

On Tue, Jan 10, 2023 at 09:52:40PM -0500, Keith Wright via WLUG wrote: > Is that 42 days from deciding to order one until happily browsing > the web with newly installed Debian, Xfce, Firefox? Or 42 days > from starting to fill out the order form until finally getting > the last required field filled in? Or what? Hi! I'm the workstudy in question. According to the emails I received for moving through each step in the process, it took 42 days from me submitting my deposit and me receiving a physical laptop that I could start using. For context, I ordered the "DIY edition" which didn't come with the RAM or storage. I ordered both on Amazon and they arrived a bit before the laptop. > > Does it run Linux? I'm currently writing this from my Gentoo install on it! The only two issues I ran into was that the wifi card (Intel AX210) firmware wasn't in the "stable" kernel, so I had to keyword my system to ~amd64. The other issue I ran into was that kernel 5.19.12 had a bad display driver that caused flickering (https://community.frame.work/t/psa-dont-upgrade-to-linux-kernel-5-19-12/231…) Hope this helps! Cara

Jan. 11, 2023

Re: [EXT] Framework Laptops

by Keith Wright

"Bacon, John via WLUG" <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> writes: > One of the WPI NetOps Workstudies bought one. She likes it a lot. > The ordering process took 42 days. > JOHN Is that 42 days from deciding to order one until happily browsing the web with newly installed Debian, Xfce, Firefox? Or 42 days from starting to fill out the order form until finally getting the last required field filled in? Or what? Does it run Linux? > -----Original Message----- > From: David Glaser via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> > Sent: Thursday, November 3, 2022 1:11 PM > To: Worcester Linux Users' Group General Discussion <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> > Cc: David Glaser <dglaser(a)glaserresearch.net> > Subject: [EXT] [WLUG] Framework Laptops > > I ran across a laptop company called Framework > > https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fframe.wor… Looks like Microsoft helpfully fixed your link to point to themselves. If you can't trust MS marketing who can you trust? In other news, I was off line for ten days. This may be relevant to those looking for an ISP. If you want to know more, here is more than you want to know: http://www.free-comp-shop.com/none/lossage.html -- Keith

Jan. 11, 2023

Re: January meeting date?

by Joel

I can also make the 26th. Thanks, Joel On January 5, 2023 8:10:30 PM John Stoffel via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: >>>>>> "Tim" == Tim Keller <turbofx(a)gmail.com> writes: > >> Great question! It turns out I have a conflict on both the 12th and >> the 19th. So I'm cool with having it on another day.. I know people >> have scouts and stuff, I'd even be cool with the 26th. > > I think the 26th would work for me. > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/HHW3U…

Jan. 6, 2023

Re: January meeting date?

by John Stoffel

>>>>> "Tim" == Tim Keller <turbofx(a)gmail.com> writes: > Great question! It turns out I have a conflict on both the 12th and > the 19th. So I'm cool with having it on another day.. I know people > have scouts and stuff, I'd even be cool with the 26th. I think the 26th would work for me.

Jan. 6, 2023

Re: January meeting date?

by Tim Keller

Great question! It turns out I have a conflict on both the 12th and the 19th. So I'm cool with having it on another day.. I know people have scouts and stuff, I'd even be cool with the 26th. What do people think?' Thanks, Tim. On Wed, Jan 4, 2023 at 3:46 PM John Stoffel via WLUG <wlug(a)lists.wlug.org> wrote: > > Where & when are we meeting in January? > _______________________________________________ > WLUG mailing list -- wlug(a)lists.wlug.org > To unsubscribe send an email to wlug-leave(a)lists.wlug.org > Create Account: https://wlug.mailman3.com/accounts/signup/ > Change Settings: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/postorius/lists/wlug.lists.wlug.org/ > Web Forum/Archive: > https://wlug.mailman3.com/hyperkitty/list/wlug@lists.wlug.org/message/AR6AP… > -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

Jan. 5, 2023