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Re: [Wlug] WLUG Meeting Sept. 15th, 2016 @ 7PM Topic: Docker Location: Washburn Labs Rm 232

by reinhart＠discom.com

That would be great. Thanks. Al On 2016-09-14 10:00, Tim Keller wrote: > We can easily make up something to stick on the door that says "WLUG: > RM 323" > > On Wed, Sep 14, 2016 at 11:09 AM, <reinhart(a)discom.com> wrote: > >> Tim, >> >> The meeting announcement I sent to the IEEE members (see below) >> included >> the wrong room number. I cannot notify them before the meeting of >> the >> typo that was in the announcement. >> >> Tomorrow I will be in Boston all day at a VMware vForum conference >> that >> ends at 4-5 o'clock and can't be sure I will get to WPI before 7pm. >> Is >> there some way you can put up some signage on Washburn doors >> indicating >> the correct room number? I don't know how many, or if, any IEEE >> members >> will attend but the meeting's topic should be of interest to some of >> them. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Al >> >> ------------------------ >> >> IEEE Meeting Announcement: >> >> Container Technologies >> When: Thursday, September 15th, 2016 >> Time: 7 to 9 pm >> Where: WPI, Washburn Labs, Room 232 >> >> This Worcester County Section Computer Society Chapter and the >> Worcester >> Linux User Group (WLUG) joint meeting will introduce and discuss >> software container technologies. The presentation will introduce >> and >> consider application containerization and container orchestration >> including some comparisons between current platforms (Docker, etc). >> >> Over the past couple of years container technologies have become an >> increasingly popular and important virtualization alternative. >> Consequently, software developers involved with web based and >> mobile >> application development, and "microservices" in general, are being >> expected to understand container technologies, and how to >> containerize >> their applications and manage a containerized environment. By >> packaging >> microservices in containers the applications can, if required, be >> portable across all the physical, virtual, and cloud environments, >> increasing agility and efficiency, and greatly accelerate time to >> market. >> >> The meeting's presentation, by William Temple, will consider, with >> an >> emphasis on the Docker/OCI and the Kubernetes orchestration stack: >> - Containers 101: Introduction & Motivations >> - Container Technologies >> -- Docker >> -- Open Containers Initiative >> -- LXC, rkt, and others >> - Container Implementation >> -- namespaces >> -- cgroups >> -- security implications, comparison to Virtual Machines >> - Containers in Production (Kubernetes, etc.) >> - Containers in Consumer Environments (Flatpak, Snappy, etc.) >> >> The meeting presenter is William Temple, a Senior Computer Science >> major >> at WPI who has spent the last two summers working on container >> technologies at Red Hat under the Project Atomic/OpenShift banners. >> >> The meeting will be held on the WPI campus in Washburn Labs, Room >> 232. >> The meeting will start at 7:00 PM and should end by 9:00. >> Reservations >> are not required. For last minute meeting information check the WLUG >> web >> site: http://www.wlug.org >> >> If you are not familiar with the WPI campus, a map is at >> http://www.wpi.edu/about/visitors/campusmap.html [1] >> >> After the meeting, attendees usually go out for pizza. >> >> If you have any questions you can contact Al Reinhart at >> AlReinhart(a)ieee.org >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> On 2016-09-14 07:24, Tim Keller wrote: >>> Good Catch! It is room 323! I'll fix the mail! >>> >>> On Tue, Sep 13, 2016 at 8:30 PM, Keith Wright >> <kwright(a)keithdiane.us> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Tim Keller <turbofx(a)gmail.com> writes: >>>> >>>>> We have a WLUG meeting on Sept. 15th at 7PM! >>>>> >>>>> Here are the vitals: >>>>> Location: Washburn Labs Rm 232 @7pm >>>> >>>> Diane, who works in Washburn, thinks that >>>> there is no Rm 232, but 323 is a big room. >>>> I don't know, but somebody might double-check >>>> the number. If you can't find 232, look for 323. >>>> >>>> -- Keith >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Wlug mailing list >>>> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >>>> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug [2] [1] >>> >>> -- >>> I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to >> their >>> constituents as "consumers". >>> >>> Links: >>> ------ >>> [1] http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug [2] >> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wlug mailing list >>> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >>> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug [2] >> _______________________________________________ >> Wlug mailing list >> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug [2] > > -- > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their > constituents as "consumers". > > Links: > ------ > [1] http://www.wpi.edu/about/visitors/campusmap.html > [2] http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Sept. 14, 2016

Re: [Wlug] WLUG Meeting Sept. 15th, 2016 @ 7PM Topic: Docker Location: Washburn Labs Rm 232

by Tim Keller

We can easily make up something to stick on the door that says "WLUG: RM 323" On Wed, Sep 14, 2016 at 11:09 AM, <reinhart(a)discom.com> wrote: > Tim, > > The meeting announcement I sent to the IEEE members (see below) included > the wrong room number. I cannot notify them before the meeting of the > typo that was in the announcement. > > Tomorrow I will be in Boston all day at a VMware vForum conference that > ends at 4-5 o'clock and can't be sure I will get to WPI before 7pm. Is > there some way you can put up some signage on Washburn doors indicating > the correct room number? I don't know how many, or if, any IEEE members > will attend but the meeting's topic should be of interest to some of > them. > > Thanks, > > Al > > ------------------------ > > IEEE Meeting Announcement: > > Container Technologies > When: Thursday, September 15th, 2016 > Time: 7 to 9 pm > Where: WPI, Washburn Labs, Room 232 > > > This Worcester County Section Computer Society Chapter and the Worcester > Linux User Group (WLUG) joint meeting will introduce and discuss > software container technologies. The presentation will introduce and > consider application containerization and container orchestration > including some comparisons between current platforms (Docker, etc). > > Over the past couple of years container technologies have become an > increasingly popular and important virtualization alternative. > Consequently, software developers involved with web based and mobile > application development, and "microservices" in general, are being > expected to understand container technologies, and how to containerize > their applications and manage a containerized environment. By packaging > microservices in containers the applications can, if required, be > portable across all the physical, virtual, and cloud environments, > increasing agility and efficiency, and greatly accelerate time to > market. > > The meeting's presentation, by William Temple, will consider, with an > emphasis on the Docker/OCI and the Kubernetes orchestration stack: > - Containers 101: Introduction & Motivations > - Container Technologies > -- Docker > -- Open Containers Initiative > -- LXC, rkt, and others > - Container Implementation > -- namespaces > -- cgroups > -- security implications, comparison to Virtual Machines > - Containers in Production (Kubernetes, etc.) > - Containers in Consumer Environments (Flatpak, Snappy, etc.) > > The meeting presenter is William Temple, a Senior Computer Science major > at WPI who has spent the last two summers working on container > technologies at Red Hat under the Project Atomic/OpenShift banners. > > The meeting will be held on the WPI campus in Washburn Labs, Room 232. > The meeting will start at 7:00 PM and should end by 9:00. Reservations > are not required. For last minute meeting information check the WLUG web > site: http://www.wlug.org > > If you are not familiar with the WPI campus, a map is at > http://www.wpi.edu/about/visitors/campusmap.html > > After the meeting, attendees usually go out for pizza. > > If you have any questions you can contact Al Reinhart at > AlReinhart(a)ieee.org > > ------------------------------ > > > > > > On 2016-09-14 07:24, Tim Keller wrote: > > Good Catch! It is room 323! I'll fix the mail! > > > > On Tue, Sep 13, 2016 at 8:30 PM, Keith Wright <kwright(a)keithdiane.us> > > wrote: > > > >> Tim Keller <turbofx(a)gmail.com> writes: > >> > >>> We have a WLUG meeting on Sept. 15th at 7PM! > >>> > >>> Here are the vitals: > >>> Location: Washburn Labs Rm 232 @7pm > >> > >> Diane, who works in Washburn, thinks that > >> there is no Rm 232, but 323 is a big room. > >> I don't know, but somebody might double-check > >> the number. If you can't find 232, look for 323. > >> > >> -- Keith > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Wlug mailing list > >> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > >> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug [1] > > > > -- > > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their > > constituents as "consumers". > > > > Links: > > ------ > > [1] http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wlug mailing list > > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

Sept. 14, 2016

Re: [Wlug] WLUG Meeting Sept. 15th, 2016 @ 7PM Topic: Docker Location: Washburn Labs Rm 232

by reinhart＠discom.com

Tim, The meeting announcement I sent to the IEEE members (see below) included the wrong room number. I cannot notify them before the meeting of the typo that was in the announcement. Tomorrow I will be in Boston all day at a VMware vForum conference that ends at 4-5 o'clock and can't be sure I will get to WPI before 7pm. Is there some way you can put up some signage on Washburn doors indicating the correct room number? I don't know how many, or if, any IEEE members will attend but the meeting's topic should be of interest to some of them. Thanks, Al ------------------------ IEEE Meeting Announcement: Container Technologies When: Thursday, September 15th, 2016 Time: 7 to 9 pm Where: WPI, Washburn Labs, Room 232 This Worcester County Section Computer Society Chapter and the Worcester Linux User Group (WLUG) joint meeting will introduce and discuss software container technologies. The presentation will introduce and consider application containerization and container orchestration including some comparisons between current platforms (Docker, etc). Over the past couple of years container technologies have become an increasingly popular and important virtualization alternative. Consequently, software developers involved with web based and mobile application development, and "microservices" in general, are being expected to understand container technologies, and how to containerize their applications and manage a containerized environment. By packaging microservices in containers the applications can, if required, be portable across all the physical, virtual, and cloud environments, increasing agility and efficiency, and greatly accelerate time to market. The meeting's presentation, by William Temple, will consider, with an emphasis on the Docker/OCI and the Kubernetes orchestration stack: - Containers 101: Introduction & Motivations - Container Technologies -- Docker -- Open Containers Initiative -- LXC, rkt, and others - Container Implementation -- namespaces -- cgroups -- security implications, comparison to Virtual Machines - Containers in Production (Kubernetes, etc.) - Containers in Consumer Environments (Flatpak, Snappy, etc.) The meeting presenter is William Temple, a Senior Computer Science major at WPI who has spent the last two summers working on container technologies at Red Hat under the Project Atomic/OpenShift banners. The meeting will be held on the WPI campus in Washburn Labs, Room 232. The meeting will start at 7:00 PM and should end by 9:00. Reservations are not required. For last minute meeting information check the WLUG web site: http://www.wlug.org If you are not familiar with the WPI campus, a map is at http://www.wpi.edu/about/visitors/campusmap.html After the meeting, attendees usually go out for pizza. If you have any questions you can contact Al Reinhart at AlReinhart(a)ieee.org ------------------------------ On 2016-09-14 07:24, Tim Keller wrote: > Good Catch! It is room 323! I'll fix the mail! > > On Tue, Sep 13, 2016 at 8:30 PM, Keith Wright <kwright(a)keithdiane.us> > wrote: > >> Tim Keller <turbofx(a)gmail.com> writes: >> >>> We have a WLUG meeting on Sept. 15th at 7PM! >>> >>> Here are the vitals: >>> Location: Washburn Labs Rm 232 @7pm >> >> Diane, who works in Washburn, thinks that >> there is no Rm 232, but 323 is a big room. >> I don't know, but somebody might double-check >> the number. If you can't find 232, look for 323. >> >> -- Keith >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wlug mailing list >> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug [1] > > -- > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their > constituents as "consumers". > > Links: > ------ > [1] http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug

Sept. 14, 2016

WLUG Meeting Sept. 15th, 2016 @ 7PM Topic: Docker Location: Washburn Labs Rm 323

by Tim Keller

Hey Everybody! We have a WLUG meeting on Sept. 15th at 7PM! Here are the vitals: Location: Washburn Labs Rm *323* @7pm (NOTE room 323 not 232!) Speaker: William Temple Topic: Container technologies... The speaker for this meeting is William Temple. Here's what he recently posted to the list (if you didn't already see it) Thanks for inviting me to give a talk on containers this Thursday. I'm a Senior at WPI and spent the last two summers working on container technologies at Red Hat under the Project Atomic/OpenShift banners. If you all are interested, topics for discussion could be: - Containers 101: Introduction & Motivations - Container Technologies -- docker -- Open Containers Initiative -- LXC, rkt, and others - Container Implementation -- namespaces -- cgroups -- security implications, comparison to Virtual Machines - Containers in Production (Kubernetes, etc.) - Containers in Consumer Environments (Flatpak, Snappy, etc.) If there are any other container-related topics you'd like to hear about, please just let me know and I can work them in. I'm mostly familiar with the Docker/OCI & Kubernetes orchestration stack, so I won't be able to go into technical details about other systems, but can give an overview if someone else wants to get into the weeds about any other container systems. I'd like to thank Logan for getting this organized and for William for being accomidating of our location and schedule change. As always, there will be refreshments and snacks and we'll head to Tech Pizza afterwards! See ya there! -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

Sept. 14, 2016

Re: [Wlug] WLUG Meeting Sept. 15th, 2016 @ 7PM Topic: Docker Location: Washburn Labs Rm 232

by Tim Keller

Good Catch! It is room 323! I'll fix the mail! On Tue, Sep 13, 2016 at 8:30 PM, Keith Wright <kwright(a)keithdiane.us> wrote: > Tim Keller <turbofx(a)gmail.com> writes: > > > We have a WLUG meeting on Sept. 15th at 7PM! > > > > Here are the vitals: > > Location: Washburn Labs Rm 232 @7pm > > Diane, who works in Washburn, thinks that > there is no Rm 232, but 323 is a big room. > I don't know, but somebody might double-check > the number. If you can't find 232, look for 323. > > -- Keith > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

Sept. 14, 2016

Re: [Wlug] WLUG Meeting Sept. 15th, 2016 @ 7PM Topic: Docker Location: Washburn Labs Rm 232

by Keith Wright

Tim Keller <turbofx(a)gmail.com> writes: > We have a WLUG meeting on Sept. 15th at 7PM! > > Here are the vitals: > Location: Washburn Labs Rm 232 @7pm Diane, who works in Washburn, thinks that there is no Rm 232, but 323 is a big room. I don't know, but somebody might double-check the number. If you can't find 232, look for 323. -- Keith

Sept. 14, 2016

Re: [Wlug] WLUG Meeting Sept. 15th, 2016 @ 7PM Topic: Docker Location: Washburn Labs Rm 232

by Tim Keller

Here's the building... http://maps.wpi.edu/map/?id=609#!s/key=washburn Tim. On Mon, Sep 12, 2016 at 7:23 PM, Eric Martin <eric.joshua.martin(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Washburn labs, it's under the large smokestack / cell tower. > > > On Monday, September 12, 2016, JeffA Maillists <jeffa.maillists(a)gmail.com> > wrote: > >> Hi Tim, >> What building is the room in? >> >> Thanks, Jeff. >> >> On Mon, Sep 12, 2016, 5:15 PM Tim Keller <turbofx(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Hey Everybody! >>> >>> We have a WLUG meeting on Sept. 15th at 7PM! >>> >>> Here are the vitals: >>> Location: Washburn Labs Rm 232 @7pm >>> Speaker: William Temple >>> Topic: Container technologies... >>> >>> The speaker for this meeting is William Temple. Here's what he recently >>> posted to the list (if you didn't already see it) >>> >>> Thanks for inviting me to give a talk on containers this Thursday. I'm a >>> Senior at WPI and spent the last two summers working on container >>> technologies at Red Hat under the Project Atomic/OpenShift banners. >>> >>> If you all are interested, topics for discussion could be: >>> >>> - Containers 101: Introduction & Motivations >>> >>> - Container Technologies >>> >>> -- docker >>> >>> -- Open Containers Initiative >>> >>> -- LXC, rkt, and others >>> >>> - Container Implementation >>> >>> -- namespaces >>> >>> -- cgroups >>> >>> -- security implications, comparison to Virtual Machines >>> >>> - Containers in Production (Kubernetes, etc.) >>> >>> - Containers in Consumer Environments (Flatpak, Snappy, etc.) >>> >>> >>> If there are any other container-related topics you'd like to hear >>> about, please just let me know and I can work them in. I'm mostly familiar >>> with the Docker/OCI & Kubernetes orchestration stack, so I won't be able to >>> go into technical details about other systems, but can give an overview if >>> someone else wants to get into the weeds about any other container systems. >>> >>> I'd like to thank Logan for getting this organized and for William for >>> being accomidating of our location and schedule change. >>> >>> As always, there will be refreshments and snacks and we'll head to Tech >>> Pizza afterwards! >>> >>> See ya there! >>> >>> Tim. >>> >>> -- >>> I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their >>> constituents as "consumers". >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wlug mailing list >>> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org >>> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >>> >> > > -- > Sent from Gmail Mobile > > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug > > -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

Sept. 13, 2016

Re: [Wlug] WLUG Meeting Sept. 15th, 2016 @ 7PM Topic: Docker Location: Washburn Labs Rm 232

by Eric Martin

Washburn labs, it's under the large smokestack / cell tower. On Monday, September 12, 2016, JeffA Maillists <jeffa.maillists(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Hi Tim, > What building is the room in? > > Thanks, Jeff. > > On Mon, Sep 12, 2016, 5:15 PM Tim Keller <turbofx(a)gmail.com > <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','turbofx(a)gmail.com');>> wrote: > >> Hey Everybody! >> >> We have a WLUG meeting on Sept. 15th at 7PM! >> >> Here are the vitals: >> Location: Washburn Labs Rm 232 @7pm >> Speaker: William Temple >> Topic: Container technologies... >> >> The speaker for this meeting is William Temple. Here's what he recently >> posted to the list (if you didn't already see it) >> >> Thanks for inviting me to give a talk on containers this Thursday. I'm a >> Senior at WPI and spent the last two summers working on container >> technologies at Red Hat under the Project Atomic/OpenShift banners. >> >> If you all are interested, topics for discussion could be: >> >> - Containers 101: Introduction & Motivations >> >> - Container Technologies >> >> -- docker >> >> -- Open Containers Initiative >> >> -- LXC, rkt, and others >> >> - Container Implementation >> >> -- namespaces >> >> -- cgroups >> >> -- security implications, comparison to Virtual Machines >> >> - Containers in Production (Kubernetes, etc.) >> >> - Containers in Consumer Environments (Flatpak, Snappy, etc.) >> >> >> If there are any other container-related topics you'd like to hear about, >> please just let me know and I can work them in. I'm mostly familiar with >> the Docker/OCI & Kubernetes orchestration stack, so I won't be able to go >> into technical details about other systems, but can give an overview if >> someone else wants to get into the weeds about any other container systems. >> >> I'd like to thank Logan for getting this organized and for William for >> being accomidating of our location and schedule change. >> >> As always, there will be refreshments and snacks and we'll head to Tech >> Pizza afterwards! >> >> See ya there! >> >> Tim. >> >> -- >> I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their >> constituents as "consumers". >> _______________________________________________ >> Wlug mailing list >> Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org');> >> http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >> > -- Sent from Gmail Mobile

Sept. 12, 2016

Re: [Wlug] WLUG Meeting Sept. 15th, 2016 @ 7PM Topic: Docker Location: Washburn Labs Rm 232

by JeffA Maillists

Hi Tim, What building is the room in? Thanks, Jeff. On Mon, Sep 12, 2016, 5:15 PM Tim Keller <turbofx(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Hey Everybody! > > We have a WLUG meeting on Sept. 15th at 7PM! > > Here are the vitals: > Location: Washburn Labs Rm 232 @7pm > Speaker: William Temple > Topic: Container technologies... > > The speaker for this meeting is William Temple. Here's what he recently > posted to the list (if you didn't already see it) > > Thanks for inviting me to give a talk on containers this Thursday. I'm a > Senior at WPI and spent the last two summers working on container > technologies at Red Hat under the Project Atomic/OpenShift banners. > > If you all are interested, topics for discussion could be: > > - Containers 101: Introduction & Motivations > > - Container Technologies > > -- docker > > -- Open Containers Initiative > > -- LXC, rkt, and others > > - Container Implementation > > -- namespaces > > -- cgroups > > -- security implications, comparison to Virtual Machines > > - Containers in Production (Kubernetes, etc.) > > - Containers in Consumer Environments (Flatpak, Snappy, etc.) > > > If there are any other container-related topics you'd like to hear about, > please just let me know and I can work them in. I'm mostly familiar with > the Docker/OCI & Kubernetes orchestration stack, so I won't be able to go > into technical details about other systems, but can give an overview if > someone else wants to get into the weeds about any other container systems. > > I'd like to thank Logan for getting this organized and for William for > being accomidating of our location and schedule change. > > As always, there will be refreshments and snacks and we'll head to Tech > Pizza afterwards! > > See ya there! > > Tim. > > -- > I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their > constituents as "consumers". > _______________________________________________ > Wlug mailing list > Wlug(a)mail.wlug.org > http://mail.wlug.org/mailman/listinfo/wlug >

Sept. 12, 2016

WLUG Meeting Sept. 15th, 2016 @ 7PM Topic: Docker Location: Washburn Labs Rm 232

by Tim Keller

Hey Everybody! We have a WLUG meeting on Sept. 15th at 7PM! Here are the vitals: Location: Washburn Labs Rm 232 @7pm Speaker: William Temple Topic: Container technologies... The speaker for this meeting is William Temple. Here's what he recently posted to the list (if you didn't already see it) Thanks for inviting me to give a talk on containers this Thursday. I'm a Senior at WPI and spent the last two summers working on container technologies at Red Hat under the Project Atomic/OpenShift banners. If you all are interested, topics for discussion could be: - Containers 101: Introduction & Motivations - Container Technologies -- docker -- Open Containers Initiative -- LXC, rkt, and others - Container Implementation -- namespaces -- cgroups -- security implications, comparison to Virtual Machines - Containers in Production (Kubernetes, etc.) - Containers in Consumer Environments (Flatpak, Snappy, etc.) If there are any other container-related topics you'd like to hear about, please just let me know and I can work them in. I'm mostly familiar with the Docker/OCI & Kubernetes orchestration stack, so I won't be able to go into technical details about other systems, but can give an overview if someone else wants to get into the weeds about any other container systems. I'd like to thank Logan for getting this organized and for William for being accomidating of our location and schedule change. As always, there will be refreshments and snacks and we'll head to Tech Pizza afterwards! See ya there! Tim. -- I am leery of the allegiances of any politician who refers to their constituents as "consumers".

Sept. 12, 2016